87: Smarter and Harder
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it was like yeah this is hypercritical
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weekly talk show ruminating on exactly
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what is wrong in the world of Apple and
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related technologies and businesses
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nothing is so perfect that it cannot be
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complained about by my friend news John
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Syracuse I'm Dan Benjamin today is
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Friday September 28th 2012 this is
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episode number 87 of hyper critical like
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to say thanks very much to our three
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com / 5 by 5 hello John rodin how are
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you this fine friday afternoon last
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Friday in September 2012 I'm just fine
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great it's rainy day here in New England
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rainy day here today to in Austin in
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Austin Texas a little bit of a little
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bit of rain all right supposed to read
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more later but what's a little bit of
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rain in Austin it's like half a
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centimeter they do get rain here there
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is a rainy season there is a rainy
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season who had rested this morning yeah
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begins and ends it begins and ends today
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yeah so what's going down sorry this for
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some time for some follow-up feo what's
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going down all right yeah yeah we're
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good we're gonna do it again today we're
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gonna do another short show it's gonna
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happen whatever you say I can do
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whatever you want to do say i'm crankin
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here last time i did they what i thought
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was a short anything under the two hours
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by the way in case you're wondering is
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well consider shorts at him through
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short showing people say oh like an hour
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40 minutes that is short for you a
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hundred nineteen minutes that's a short
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show that's right we're into another one
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today our first bit of follow-up is
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shira wild and he has some follow up on
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the topic of Apple stores replacing your
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product with new versus refurbished
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don't you remember on the lash we had an
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apple genius right in to say that they
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do all their replacements from retail
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stock like you're not going to get a
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refurbished thing you're gonna get a
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brand new device right out of the box
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just like as if you had bought new Shero
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wrote in to contest this account and say
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he says anyone who has ever had an
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iphone or ipad replaced in the apple
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store will know and I do because I've
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had both replaced they do not give you a
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brand new replacement they may give you
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a so-called remanufactured product right
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which potentially Kane contains parts
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taken from previously used products they
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even make you sign something that says
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you understand that accept this I've
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done this twice so now I don't know what
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to believe Apple Genius writes in and
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says nope it's always from retail stock
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and then a person right saying to say
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they had to sign a document saying that
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they understand that what you're getting
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is not an actual new replacement so does
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that bother you I don't know it's a he
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it's he said he said situation here I
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don't know who'd believe I've haven't
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had any experiences myself so I can't
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say one way or the other although maybe
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i will when i finally get around to
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making a genius bar appointment how yet
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another genius PowerPoint for my
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thunderbolt display it's iced haven't
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taken it back since the last time I
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complain about it so update update us on
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the stat of the status or as you would
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say status of your display you had three
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times you've taken this thing in two
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times two times yeah first time I took
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it in they did two replacements during
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that single visit so that counts as a
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single visit but they swapped out parts
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two times got it back didn't work
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brought it back in they replaced all the
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same parts again got it back it did work
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but either i forgot to check whether the
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camera worked or the camera went bad
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sometime in the future so now i have
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something where the camera camera
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doesn't work like it doesn't recognize
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that it even has a camera in the display
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at all anywhere so i gotta bring it back
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again and this will be the third trip i
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just haven't gotten around to it yet i
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did extend the warranty which is why i'm
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not in such a hurry to bring it in
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because i've got time you know
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everything else works the camera not
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working isn't that big of a deal so when
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I do bring it in maybe this time they'll
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give me a whole new one or maybe
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you they'll just open it up and
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reconnect the camera maybe they forgot
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to plug in a cable or something I don't
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know let me perfectly happen if they
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just opened it up and plugged in the
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camera because so far this one is
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working and I don't take my chances with
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getting a replacement that has the
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problems my original and even if it's a
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brand new replacement so we'll see and
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speaking of the innards of apples stuff
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on the last show we talked about the
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iphone 5 physical features of the iPhone
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5 the iphone 5 that i still have not yet
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seen in person although my brother got
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one this week hope I haven't seen his
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it'd either haven't seen any buddies and
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I didn't get to the apple store to see
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it but anyway we talked a lot about the
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design last week and about the lightning
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connector and Dustin Masterson wrote in
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to point me to almost immediately after
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last week's show to point me to the
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ifixit teardown of the iphone 5 in
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particular about the Lightning connector
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that has the little dents in the side of
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it that I speculated that maybe little
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ball bearings going to those dents I
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kind of make it like click in you know
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click back out and he sent me this thing
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for my fix it put in the chat room here
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this is the zoomed in picture of what
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does the thing that receives the
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Lightning connector look like and it's
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got the Lightning connector in the same
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picture so it's got a you know a little
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thing with contacts on it it's at eight
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in there one two three or yeah six seven
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eight nine nine yeah I think its nine
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little pins there I don't know maybe I
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can't count anyway ah the key part is in
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the upper left where it shows the thing
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that grabs on to the little dents in the
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sides of the lighting bolt connector and
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it is not too tiny ball bearings on
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Springs good at what it actually is is a
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very cheap cruddy looking bent piece of
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metal with curves on the end and kind of
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like a like a spring type clip where
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it's squished together and when you
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press the connector in it spreads it
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apart slightly on those little things
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clicking I'm you know I'd imagine trying
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to make tiny ball bearings and honey
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springs at these sizes is impractical
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and this is probably the best way to do
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this is just destroys my illusion of the
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magic machinery that's going on inside
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their reality probably the most reliable
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and best thing to use is this bent piece
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of metal and that's what they're
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actually using so there you have it
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illusion shattered of the
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world inside apples devices and related
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to a lighting connector when I was
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talking about why was defending the move
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to lightning connector and saying I
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couldn't believe that people thought
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that they should stick with the 30 pin
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connector after 10 years and complaining
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that the change in the connector it
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seems to me the biggest no-brainer ever
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to get rid of that old connector I said
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come on people it's not like you know it
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would be like PC still coming with ps2
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connections and when I said that I
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should have put in my normal hedging and
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everything but I figured I'll let it fly
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well about three minutes after the show
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ended Mike Wahlstrom wrote into said say
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you mentioned that new PCs don't come
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with ps2 connections wrong my new pc
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comes with ps2 connection and so he gave
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me a link to the pc this is a beautiful
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pc the product name is the acer easy
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3731 hyphen you are to 1t 21.7 camera
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one desktop computer yes I totally the
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AZ 3731 if--and you are 20 MP is one of
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my favorite pieces yeah I mean the two
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the 21 the 21 feet was a piece of crap I
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mean you don't want that you don't even
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know how to shorten it you're trying to
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look for a spot but yeah anyway ah and
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you I have the Amazon link to it in the
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show notes please no one actually buy
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this machine looks terrible um he sent a
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zoomed in picture of the actual ps2
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ports themselves who they are oh there
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it is it there it is in the chat room
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Thank You Jenna yes and and you know you
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maybe you can tell this from your
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misspent pc youth why do they insist on
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making the colors of the plastic inside
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of the ps2 ports these hideous pastel
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colors like it must be some sort of
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widespread agreement because these
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disgusting colors have always you know
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do you recognize them like them yeah the
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vga is always blue and the mouse i
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believe well here it is in your picture
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the mouse is like this pastel sort of
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green and then the keyboard is they
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purple and this is the way that it that
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it's always been and I remember way way
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way back there were no colors and people
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were always complaining that they didn't
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know because you know us us Mac people
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are spoiled you just plug something in
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and it just works and it was that way
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for a very very very long time and of
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course the ps2 style connector for the
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mouse and keyboard look the same so
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people would complain so they said I
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will color code them that's the
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the way of the pc's don't don't make it
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either or color code so that's where
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what came about but I don't know why
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they picked those colors I think whoever
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first innovated that just did it and
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everyone else copied them as their want
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to do in the PC world yeah that's I mean
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of all their hideous colors that
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probably not match your color scheme and
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like just you can't kill them here is a
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modern-day computer still got those ugly
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colors in it and we aren't those ports
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the same like they're putting the little
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picture there and the different colors
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to make you feel better but they're
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exactly equivalent right there's no
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there's no actual difference between
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hugging or keep like it they're both ps2
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ports right now they're the same but one
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is for the mouse one is for the keyboard
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but for meaning like it's a meaningless
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it's like no you can't you can't swap
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them why can't you swap them you can't
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the pc wants what it wants you can't
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invite irq conflict oh yeah something
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like they're they're plugged in there
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they're hardwired come on and come to
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know you can't put the mouse and no you
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have to plug the key yet right here is
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fo is saying this it's a ps2 you have to
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plug the keyboard into the keyboard port
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that's crazy you can't swap them how
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good how can you have two ports but that
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are physically identical but one of this
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is why I'm saying this is why they're
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color-coded it's not color code and the
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cable remember this the cable on the
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game because people were still be
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confused they went to cables are
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color-coded yeah so the end the end of
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the cable for the keyboard would be the
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matching purple and you would then you'd
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all that must go here that must go here
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I don't know how people get I know
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nothing about pcs I don't want to know
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alright moving on I'm about the slippery
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phone and by the way if you have all
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sorts of Corrections about pcs these can
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you can direct these specifically okay
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man look there is there is a color
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coding scheme thank you to who sent this
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smack foo i will add this to the show
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notes by the way you can find the show
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notes for this episode of hypercritical
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by going to five by five TV /
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hypercritical / 87 and you will see all
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of these notes but here there is
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something called the pc system design
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guide it says it's a series of hardware
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design requirements recommendations for
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the IBM pc compatibl personal computers
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compiled by Microsoft and Intel from
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aimed to help manufacturers provide
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hardware that makes best use of
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capabilities microsoft windows operating
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system and to simplify the setup of such
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computer skipping down here are here is
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the color guide green is for the ps2
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mouse purple ps2 keyboard and then you
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have black red for USB and white for USB
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2 and sky blue for us p 3 and it just
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goes on and on and on the other give you
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forgot Darla borna or tia we'll see it's
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supposed to be purple for the ps3 to
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keyboard and green but they're not green
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and purple they're like pastel green and
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pastel purple white mixed in but dust
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and of course blue for the old analog
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monitor yeah 15-pin vga our old friend
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maybe the next time Apple takes public
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questions from the audience someone can
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ask why don't you color code reports
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with the official purpled like just like
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to follow up to the intel sticker guy
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alright alright so now let us move on to
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that too slippery iphones last week
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talked the title of last week's show was
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naked robotic core was about how Apple
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is not addressing in any way the
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slipperiness of its devices it is
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leaving that entirely as a third-party
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opportunity and simply making its device
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as small as it possibly can to give
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people the option if you want it to be
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if you don't you think it's fine you get
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to be fine if you don't think it's fine
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you put your own case on so the best of
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both worlds because of course if they
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put their own anti-slip design and the
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thing it would be thicker and we're out
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and so on and so forth so I get two
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types of feedback about this first one
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this is this is a unique one that had
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heard before this is Abby Beckert saying
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that the three the first iphone the 3g
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and 3gs were slippery but the 4 or 4s
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and 5 have right angled corners that
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have significant grip on anything soft
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like your skin so saying of the sharp
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edges of the thing like dig into your
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skin and grip more than the curved ones
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into your pocket and a pain to get out
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of your pocket you wanted to be slippery
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so it slides right into your pocket and
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so it slides right now in this area I
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because a phone that slides in and out
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of your pocket very easily is much more
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likely to slide out of your pocket when
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you're sitting on a couch you know or
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you get up from the couch and comes out
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in that name is it that sounds crazy but
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just after I would send like a piece of
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feedback saying this to somebody someone
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on Twitter or somewhere else send me a
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story that they had just that day gotten
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up from couch had their phone slide out
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of their pocket and crack on the floor
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so that does happen so I I feel like
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grip enos also has no obviously don't
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want to be super grippy because then
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really you know if it's really really
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really grippy it is hard to get in on
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your pocket but as someone who has had a
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silicone rubber total coverage on the
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back of my device case on all the ipod
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touches that i've owned and i put these
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things in my pockets I have no problem
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sliding this thing out and I can't
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imagine anything grippier then soft
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silicone rubber coating the entire back
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of an ipod touch I get it in that in my
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pack it's no problem so I don't think
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that's a reason not too pretty to be
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slippery but again the point of that
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show is not that Apple is neglecting its
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responsibility to make the things not
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slippery merely that what they've
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decided to do to address it is to not
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address it at all and concentrate on
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making the thing as small and as durable
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as possible they're making the naked
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robotic core and if that's what you want
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you've got it like that's the advantage
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of their decision not to do that if
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that's your ideal device and you don't
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care about slipperiness or you don't
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think it's slippery you think it's an
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advantage Apple makes that product for
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you but if you want it to not be
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slippery you have the option of adding
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in case to it and making it slightly
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thicker or whatever I think we'll talk
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about this more me guess the ipod touch
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which is one of our topics for tonight
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because we didn't get to it last time
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i'll be record again sent me a picture
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of another change in the iphone
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five or at least on his iphone 5 you
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know the little charger that the iphone
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fire hoses you you have an iphone 5 9 i
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do is right here yeah and you know the
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little like white whatever it's not a
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wall where I guess it is a wall work
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it's the the two-prong charger I don't
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know if there's a right it's the same as
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the 4s one right it's little white
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square little no no different I I don't
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believe there's any difference at all
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and in fact I haven't even unboxed the
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iphone 5 when I just started you just
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plugged right into the the one from the
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floor yeah so he has found a difference
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if you look at the link i just put in
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the chat room okay he's got his iphone 5
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ball ward next to the iphone 4 4 s wall
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wart and you look at that picture can
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you spot the difference there one looks
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really old and crappy and the other one
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looks new they both look at alden crap
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man the interior looks like they're of
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the old it looks like an old style USB
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port with the sort of bent aluminum and
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the the new one which is on the left and
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should probably be on the right because
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you want to go from left to right in
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chronological order if you're in a
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western country it has these sort of two
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little bumps poking through the plastic
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that are almost like they almost look
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like little rollers in a way a little
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ball bearings no so the difference is
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there's this in the show notes yes okay
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the thing that you slot there's a slot
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for you to put your USB connector into
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right and on the old one the inside of
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that slot is made of metal like that
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it's you know it's like the walls and
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ceiling and floor of that hole are made
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of this little bent piece of metal and
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the new one the inside is all plastic
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except for these two little metal
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contacts that are poking up yeah I'm
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fine doesn't that's an interesting
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change to me because most people say
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that all like their cheaping out that's
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that's sort of the old our parents
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generation philosophy they used to have
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something that was made of metal and now
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it's made of plastic and therefore it's
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cheaper but I look at that and I think
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metal is just another opportunity for
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something to corrode you know you're
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sliding metal against metal and you know
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impurities can get in there and you get
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oxidation and you know who knows what
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else the only thing that really needs to
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be metal the contacts so I think this
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new design is assuming it's you know
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sturdy plastic and just as sturdy as the
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metal was before this is better because
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metal sliding it's plastic the plastic
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is less likely to oxidize
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have some other strange electrochemical
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reaction with the metal thing or sliding
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into it and really you just need the
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contacts to be there so I give a thumbs
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up to this design change unless it's
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really thin crappy plastic and it cracks
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easily man it's been but I hadn't seen
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that in any other reports so there you
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go can you peek in size yours i'm
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assuming yours looks like that I don't
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know it's in you know it's in the box
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like on the wall or you don't didn't
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even take it out no but it didn't it d
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what we're looking at here this is not
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what mine came with so you didn't get
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the little though this is the this is
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the fat one I've got the tiny little
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little tiny square one that they give
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you now this is for a night this is for
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an iPad you think Sam I looking at the
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right am I looking at the right image
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you only pay signora imagine I could be
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wrong I could have missed transcribed it
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he could have said this was for his ipad
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this here's I mean this I have not again
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I haven't even unboxed the one for the
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ipad either i just use the old ones but
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these are the fat ones the the i gotta
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get a picture this thing he says this is
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for the iphone 5 the iphone 5 is an
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interesting USB socket on the wall I
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don't get this hold on i'm looking for
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the what do they call that thing it's
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not a wall wart it is a wall wart that
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because it like the metal prongs that go
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into the outlet stick right out of the
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thing so you think it comes a wart on
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your wall all right i'm gonna show you
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picture what came in mind hang on this
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good thing we're this is what people
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tuned in for anything all right you
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can't do it to yourself yeah I'm
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supposed to do it yo there's this here
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you go you're welcome for that that's
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what mine came with let's what do you
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call that thing oh oh yeah okay so that
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it but and I'm gonna show you if it it
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did not come with this ignore the URL it
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did not come with that that is what my
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iPad came with my i phone came with a
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little the little ride yeah I don't know
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but not on what this is the ambition you
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can you can come in and tell us what's
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what but the email says here is it here
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is a much much better picture that third
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link I just sent you that's what that's
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what came with the iphone
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that's obviously totally different and
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if you look inside that one do you see
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hang on I'm gonna go get it all right
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all right hang on gonna go get I'll be
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right back not even edit this out so you
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entertain them all hey everybody in the
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chat room what would you like to talk
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about well Dan's gone yeah now I go away
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for the seven second delay for the
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people in the chat room to see what I
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just asked and then reply everyone
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saying the small one is what came with
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their 4s lots of boats for paleo diet
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hmm no i don't think i'm going to talk
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about that I dare already did a whole
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show about journey so I'm not going to
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talk about that no we don't have them we
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don't have anything you don't have
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anything no we don't have anything get
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just the old ones yes we have no bananas
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yes we have no bananas well that was a
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successful excursion yeah now we have
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nobody has anything here this mystery
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will remain yeah but I'll tell you what
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I'll tell you what this evening I will
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tweet what's what's inside of the
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charger there you go but it that is
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absolutely not that big thing yeah I
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mean I think that that makes sense to
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matter but maybe he was confused about
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you know you know it was the American I
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don't know cuz it maybe it's a
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translation thing I'm getting trying to
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give him the benefit of the doubt I
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think he's at work all right and next
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piece of fallout from comes from someone
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named Tim Cook he says our customers
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that Apple we strive to make world-class
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products that deliver the best
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experience possible to our customers
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with the launch of our new maps last
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week we fell short on his commitment
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we're extremely sorry for the
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frustration this has caused our
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customers and we're doing everything we
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can to make maps better so there you
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have it some fella named Tim Cook he
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says his signs his letter tim cook
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apple's CEO okay well he said we know
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he's a listener we know he's a siracusa
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fan he says sorry about the maps we know
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they're not great it's a bummer and now
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this is this is a typical example of
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good apple corporate communications like
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a little screen full of text it's
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straightforward in the first paragraph
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as we are extremely sorry and not
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they're not sorry that we're frustrated
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we're sorry for the frustration that
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this has caused what is this this them
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falling short on their commitment to
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make the best products so it's you know
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it's it's pretty much as direct as you
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can get we did something wrong we're
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sorry we're doing everything we can to
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make it better there's a couple of
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paragraphs of explanation at the bottom
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is the second last paragraph i think is
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the most surprising it says while we're
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improving maps you can try alternatives
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by downloading maps apps from map apps
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from the App Store like Bing Map Quest
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ways WA ze yeah or use google or Nokia
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Maps by going to their websites and
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creating an icon on your home screen
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they creating an icon on your home
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screen goes to a help page tells you how
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to do that for people who don't know
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this is kind of interesting where
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they're like they're giving you by name
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explicit things that you can add like
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they don't they do they do link to the
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app store and they linked to how to
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create an icon your arm screen they
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don't link the words Bing Map Quest in
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ways to their product pages but this is
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a pretty big endorsement when Apple and
[TS]
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its corporate communication names your
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app by name as something that they
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suggest you use while Apple gets its
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stuff together you know we know we know
[TS]
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we're kind of venomous here but we want
[TS]
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you I guess it's kind of promoting their
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place saying hey even if us is that the
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platform vendor drops the ball you do
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have other options of course you can't
[TS]
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make those your default maps app and on
[TS]
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blah blah blah but you know what do you
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want and so this that I think is the
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most surprising part of this where
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they're they're naming names and
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pointing you to use something else
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they're like we know we messed up in
[TS]
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fact we know we messed up so bad that
[TS]
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you're probably going to want to not use
[TS]
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this thing that we shipped until we get
[TS]
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our stuff in order so why don't you try
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these other apps you know and then a
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little closing paragraph about how
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everything they do is aimed at making
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their products the best in the world yes
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yes anyway that's that's reasonable you
[TS]
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don't need to have an intent antennagate
[TS]
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style press conference I think because
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this is straightforward they ship
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something it's not as good as the thing
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it replaced their sorry they're working
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on it right the antennagate thing I
[TS]
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actually wrote a blog thing had ours
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about this one had happened that press
[TS]
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conference bothered me a lot not because
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I think the antenna issue was
[TS]
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big deal as many many people did and
[TS]
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many people rope in and say this antenna
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thing is the end of the world apples is
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deceiving everybody they need to be sued
[TS]
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the iphone 4 is you know total failures
[TS]
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product blah blah blah I don't believe
[TS]
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any of that but when they did the
[TS]
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antenna gate press conference this when
[TS]
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steve jobs are still a lot he did the
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hall comrades like he was defensive he's
[TS]
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like fine you want you want some bumpers
[TS]
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here's some bumpers right he was super
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defensive and in the thing and he never
[TS]
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directly addressed the issue and the
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issue was like a did explanation of like
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look you know we can hold all these
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other phones they have problems and it's
[TS]
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not just our phone and this is just
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something that happens blah blah blah
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blah I never once no one asked in the
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audience and he never addressed the
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question of was on I shouldn't but
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everyone's mind which is alright we get
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all this we believe everything you say
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the question is did apples decision to
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go with an external antenna make its
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phone more susceptible to you know the
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interference from hands gripping it like
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that like they would not they wouldn't
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even entertain the answer in all this
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skin right no one made them do that it's
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that they would never address that
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look bad what did make apple look bad
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was it dancing around that issue and and
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answer didn't want to address it
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directly they only wanted to talk about
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on proportion but he got real defense
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issue was not the end of the world they
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sold millions of iphone 4s people use
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them you know in action actually yeah
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they actually were able to check their
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email em a call yeah oh well you know
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they're on a teen teen but not you know
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like the thing is it was such a
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non-issue in it that that's the problem
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with this thing is my I look at it as a
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corporate communication issue not as the
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actual technical issue cuz the actual
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technical issue was minor and they fixed
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it with the the antenna switching and
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all that stuff and now we just forget
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all about but anyway this seems much
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more direct they're not hemming and
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hawing ascariasis I it's on us we ship
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this thing it's not as good as we hoped
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it would be we're sorry we're trying to
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fix it so thumbs up an apple thumbs up
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and Tim Cook uh now fix those maps
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details really Tim Cook they're waiting
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yeah sure I mean I'm sure it's Steve
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Jobs existed a control freak and I would
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imagine tim cook it like buses got to do
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all day right right he can write a five
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paragraph yeah thank you know I'm you
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know they have people i'm sure it's
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massage and blah blah blah but when you
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read it and you hear the little soothing
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Tim Cook voice it sounds like something
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he would say right no totally does it's
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told I believe it was him yeah Darla sue
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her for sponsor okay harvest the hurt
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you heard of these guys ring I thought
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it was a command I was going to go out
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it doesn't begin rob's yeah these guys
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harvest they they make the back office
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tasks like things like time tracking to
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getting time reports and invoicing all
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of this stuff they make it super simple
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actually get harvest calm / 5 by 5 is
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the aura like free to use but let me
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tell you about this you want you want to
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track some time it doesn't matter if
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multiple projects or if you are a
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company with multiple employees I'll
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tell you how we use harvest here I have
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people who work here with me some of
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them are full-time some of them are
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part-time some of them are hourly some
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of them are contract doesn't matter that
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we all use this and this is the way that
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we track time and it's incredibly useful
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because I can go and say okay how long
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deuce the show how long did it take to
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edit the show how long did it take to
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update the CMS all of those things and
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then my own time I'll put that in there
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and I can figure out what the actual
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cost of doing an episode of a show is
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very interesting stuff well of course if
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your billing clients you need to know
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this kind of thing and you need to be
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able to show you a client yeah we worked
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100 hours what would you do I we just
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worked hundred hours no they won't see
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it broken down and you want to be able
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to break it down internally for your
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internal stuff as well there it makes it
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super easy to do all this and then you
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can turn those things into invoices and
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you invoice your clients right there in
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the system collect payment multiple
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payment options it's great love these
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guys they've been a longtime sponsor and
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and more and more people are writing
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into let me know they've tried it and
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they love these guys you can try to free
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for 30 days if you don't fall in love
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with it you don't want to switch just
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them out get harvest calm / 5 by 5
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sounds like kind of tool that I would
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use to find out exactly to once again
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confirm that i am working for less than
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minimum wage when I spend a bajillion
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hours doing in my class 10 review day
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you would definitely be able to use that
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I would be afraid of the answer but this
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is your actual business not something
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you do fun you should know the answer
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you need some the answer of how much you
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know time energy you're spending it
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reminds me of a Merlin's whole big thing
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about dindi I think he did a blog post
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about this i was gonna say he talked
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about this in the light recent back to
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work but i think he actually wrote
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something on the web did you read this
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about a tips for people doing pub but i
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doing speaking like speaking engagement
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okay you yeah you know he has a website
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he used to have a website i don't know
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fee yeah anyway this is this he was
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actually sending an email to a friend
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who was asking him hey i'm thinking of
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doing speaking engagements could you
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give me some tips and he wrote this
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whole big thing about correctly
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calculating how much time speaking is
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actually good to take because even
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though they say he's talked about this
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michelle you really think it's oh you're
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gonna give a 20-minute talk you don't
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build it as 20 minutes of your time
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that's not how it works and it doesn't
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take 20 minutes your time anyway
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says for him it takes three days minimum
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to do any kind of speaking engagement
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not that he doesn't that much anymore I
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would put that in the show notes if I
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knew the URL but i'll try to find it
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after they all look for too funny in the
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chat room knows that they can put in the
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heat it was on I think I was on his
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website not 43 folders me Merlin mancom
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hard to keep him his stuff straight he
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may have more than one website I'm
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suspecting maybe just maybe all right
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next bit of follow-up related to maps is
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a bit anonymous I don't know why this is
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anonymous but I will make an anonymous
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because they said please make an
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anonymous so here you go bit of
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follow-up about iOS 6 maps he says he
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lives in wakefield Rhode Island but for
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some reason iOS 6 maps has moved all the
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businesses in that town to Wakefield
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Massachusetts which is a hundred miles
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away so if he tries to get direction to
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the pizza place down the street it sends
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them 100 miles away to Wakefield
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Massachusetts this this points to
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something that I've seen speculated
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about a lot online which is that it's
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not so much that Apple has bad data but
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that taking this data and like
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integrating it from all the various data
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sources something may be going wrong and
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they're like it's not like this you know
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you don't have the right roads or you're
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missing your road here you forgot this
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road is runway here it is a Wakefield
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Rhode Island all the businesses are
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ending up on weekly of Massachusetts
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like so the business landmarks must be
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coming for devaron place on the roads or
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whatever and they're not integrating the
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right way and there must be custom set
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of matching of like oh here all these
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Wakefield businesses let's put them in
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Wakefield but they get the wrong state
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and it's kind of near work you know so
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that's a problem and I don't know any
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more than anyone else knows about this
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but the more reports that we get these
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actual issues make me think that there
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are problems in every level of this you
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know data doesn't have the right
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granularity date is just wrong or the
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data is right and it's just mapped to
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the wrong place I don't envy the task
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Apple has head of us and that leads to
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the next bit of fault from Joe lion who
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has an awesome name ah he says you could
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like it better if it was Joe mountain
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lion no just line is fine that's King
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the jungle mountain lion is was like a
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puma or something it's not even though
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anyway sorry biologist did I remember
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what family Matt lines going so he says
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he thinks Apple maps will never catch
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never in all caps catch up to the
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quality coverage accuracy of google map
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simply because the sheer amount of brute
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force also in all caps in man-hours and
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dollars that Google is willing to spend
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on adding new and better information to
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their database Apple has shown that it
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rarely if ever chooses the brute force
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method instead tries to solve problems
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with engineering prowess and cleverness
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that is Apple tends to favor elegant
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simple solutions while Google would be
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just as happy to pay an army of people
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to manually solve the problem and
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sometimes simply an army of people can
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come up with better results than even
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the smartest most clever algorithms this
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is one of my fears as well with Apple
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taking over maps like I understand the
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reason they did it and I think maps
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unlike say something like web search is
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finite and bounded there's only one
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earth it has a finite amount of surface
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on it you know like but it's always
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changing I know but it's not changing as
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fast as like the web for example you
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don't need to re-index the entire Earth
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every 15 minutes right you can you know
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delays are acceptable there takes a long
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time to build new roads and everything
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right ah so it seems like the size of
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the problem maybe Apple can handle but
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they've just never been good at this
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type of problem like they just want to
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partner were somebody who has already
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solved that in integrating everything
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but Google is you know goulds it's
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blowing to do crazy stuff like whatever
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the book scanning project is like you
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know what if we could OCR scan every
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book in the world that would be cool
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that was searchable right it's like and
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any other company they be like haha yeah
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that'd be cool right uh but then google
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says no let's just pay people to sit
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scanner and turn the page and put like
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same thing with the street view it's
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like all right well well we need to that
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I guess we need a whole bunch of cars it
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was cameras on the top there like
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network connected and just have them
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drive over every street in the US okay
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and go like that type of project doesn't
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happen at Apple but and that's a huge
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advantage to google has a that they're
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willing to do that and beat that they
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have done it so far you know they've
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done so much I think the last thing I
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read was the Google was like doing
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underwater stuff just to show off and
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everything like can you sit picture a
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project like that happening an apple
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like Apple decides the street view is
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important yeah and it decides okay we're
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going to get a fleet of cars we're gonna
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pay a bunch of people and we're going to
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drive all over the entire United States
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it's not like they don't have the money
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but it's just not in Apple's corporate
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culture and I think Joe is right that
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Apple's culture is like oh let's find a
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clever engineering solution let's find a
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get that data from elsewhere or computed
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dynamically or integrate these five data
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sources and then you have that one of
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the interesting idea that Merlin is just
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emphasis from a while ago but Sir he's
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put it in the chair he says you're dead
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to me Dan dead but I thought it was in
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reference to this but it wasn't I'm
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sorry to interrupt you there are so many
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reasons he could be saying that I doubt
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really hard sighs for definite down on
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something in Purdue any way I please
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continue thought you'd appreciate so the
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most recent fun theory I saw which I
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think this was just totally made up but
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and would have tremendous privacy
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implications and probably isn't
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happening but it's fun to think about is
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that the new panorama feature on iOS 6
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that you can use with your iphone 5 and
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I think it works on a 4 and 4s to write
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the panorama image thing Apple will just
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collect those and eventually it will
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have the equivalent of street view just
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people taking panoramic pictures which
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is not true and would not work but it's
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a fun thing to think of but that's but
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that's still even that crazy idea is
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different than saying all right this is
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the problem we have and we're going to
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solve it with brute force by having
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miles and you know or and fix this type
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approach that will tends to take and
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mapping is this type of solution jogos
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has an engineering problem like it can
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be solved with more elegant engineering
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or reanalyzing the road data or
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rejiggering the routing algorithms are
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making their three algorithms smarter or
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collecting real life usage data from
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users and he like myself also thinks
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that the amount of data they get from
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like people trying to correct things as
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limit i think talked about in the last
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show like what do you say you're like
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this place is messed up but you're not
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there manually drawing the roads with
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your fingers or something somebody has
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to fix it like a human being and if you
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get millions and millions of people
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doing that you still need people to go
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and fix the data so we think small
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apples map engineering make it better
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they'll still lagged behind because
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they're unwilling to employ thousands of
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people to do mundane tasks and blah blah
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blah and he gave me a link to this
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article in the Atlantic that I think I
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had seen and actually into the paper
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before we haven't gotten to reading it's
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called how Google builds its maps and
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what it means for the future of
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everything and it talks about the links
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that Apple goes do to do all the mapping
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stuff that they do
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Google rather and I'm this is my big
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fear with the maps like I really like I
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said the last show it's clear to me that
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Apple is committed to making the maps
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better they think it's something that
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they have to control and do and like I
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said that they've already got planned
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out in the future that keynote
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presentation where they can say our maps
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weren't great but made them better now
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we believe we have the best maps in the
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world but when will that happen and will
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they really have the best maps in the
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world because Google's not standing
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still I think and this is a corporate
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culture thing like apples corporate
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culture is work smarter not harder which
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is a pretty darn good corporate culture
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and make some tons and tons of money and
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the biggest company in the world like
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thumbs up on that thing but in certain
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areas it may be that you know Google
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work smarter and harder like they're
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really smart about how they do their
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Street View stuff and how they integrate
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input from people and how they do the
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corrections but they also work harder
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like it's it's like a brute force method
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combined with engineering the cleverness
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and so far I haven't seen anything
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except perhaps manufacturing what Apple
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is willing to go the brute force route
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but even in manufacturing they're
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willing to make other people they
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partner and pay some money up front to
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build stuff and help you know the
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factories get on their feet and stuff
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like that but they don't own that stuff
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so uh this is really the first like sort
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of Apple can't Apple can't escape this
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Apple can't ignore it or shirk it or
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think it's not important or whatever
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like they could be so many other things
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like they can't leave this as a hobby
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it's not like Apple TV it's not like you
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know selling movies and music where they
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can just wait for the partners to come
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around this is a critical got to happen
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you know main line business our most
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important product has to be fixed
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everybody knows about it type of thing
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they there's no getting around this is
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no waffling for years like they've been
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doing with television everything like
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that they have to do this maps thing
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right and so this is the first real test
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of their corporate culture I guess I
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cloud was kind of another them because
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they had to have some online thing and
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but there it wasn't on such a tight
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timeline like every 10 mobileme stunk
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and the I cut came out and it's slowly
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rolling out it's not that big of a deal
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but I'm if you buy that phone in the
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maps are bad that is a big thing that
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anybody can see whereas iCloud being
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flaky I mean that's also bad but it's
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probably not as critical to the average
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person as the map so let's check back in
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a year and see how this all wet because
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I think this is a real
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test of a purse call / culture they've
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shown that they're not been able to turn
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their culture around to be like a server
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focused company to concentrate on the
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cloud they're not doing iCloud as well
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as other cloud-based computing companies
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are maps is different than cloud stuff
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much more critical and I think it's
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something that Apple could do but it
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will mean changing their culture to say
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in their meeting why don't we just hire
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people to drive all the roads just like
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Google did and just someone raised their
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hand ago that's not the Apple way that's
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crazy we don't do that type of thing
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let's find a clever way to do it or
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let's part number somebody's already
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done that or we can't afford to do that
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or I don't know how those meetings go
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but it's like you have a hundred billion
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dollars what are you saving it for if
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maps are important you should be
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spending more money than Google on maps
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like that's what it comes down to how
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much money has google spent on maps from
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the day they started doing it until now
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yeah an apple needs to spend that much
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money you want you're not you know you
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sell we're gonna have better maps in
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Google but we're going to spend less
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money maybe but unless someone has an
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awesome brilliant idea to make that
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happen and so far apparently they have
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it for however many years they've been
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working on the iOS 6 maps with all those
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acquisitions I don't envy the task ahead
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of them but they've this is the path
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they've chosen for themselves but the
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inner with it's not like that a choice
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it's not like they couldn't have chosen
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this path well that their choice would
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have been you know then again in the
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week since we did last show they've been
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more stories about what actually
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happened between them and it looks like
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it's not any one party to blame entirely
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just I couldn't come to an agreement we
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don't know the details but we can
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imagine what they are like we can
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imagine with some confidence that what
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Apple wanted was vector maps and
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turn-by-turn directions those are things
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that didn't have I'm sure that's what
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they wanted right so we know what
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Apple's demands are and then Google's
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demands we can imagine with slightly
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less certainty but we can imagine what
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Google waters but they always want more
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information from users the ability to
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show more ads like all the stuff that
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Google wants and those they just
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couldn't come to an agreement I guess
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and so Apple had they go off on its own
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right but if you know if Matt Apple made
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a different decision if they'd cave and
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said okay Google you can have more
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prominent branding you can have better
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access to our user information you can
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show your ads you can integrate it with
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google latitude or whatever you're you
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know branded location-based thing is
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then iOS users would currently have
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better maps than they do but Apple chose
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to compromise in that way and they said
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no we want to keep our Maps pure we
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don't want to have ads we don't want to
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give our competitor access to our users
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and more information so it's not like
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they didn't have a choice they had a
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choice that but they they chose based on
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their their their corporate values of
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user experience which i think that's
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that's a good value to have and that
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decision is fine but now you're on the
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hook to make your own maps and Apple has
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not succeeded Tim Cook says we're sorry
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we decide to make her own Maps he
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doesn't go into it's interesting that he
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doesn't go into like oh the reason we're
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making it like what he doesn't even
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address why are we making her own Maps
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like all that all that background stuff
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like well Google wasn't giving us the
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good stuff and we tried to renegotiate
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for the good stuff but we couldn't agree
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you know like you know we couldn't come
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to an agreement therefore we headed to
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our own Maps apple just says we want to
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make the best maps we didn't we're sorry
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which i think is sufficient ah but it's
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not like Apple didn't have a choice they
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just made a choice yeah you know based
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on what they always make choices on
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which is fine but now you're on the hook
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to do great maps so I'll be watching to
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see how they do i really hope i see i
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guess data center is another place for
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the kind of brute force it like they did
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a humungo data center but even that
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stuff like those groups the people who
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do the data centers and the server side
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stuff and the people who are responsible
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for maps don't you feel like you know
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the people who actually work on iOS like
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it turn their nose up in them when they
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walk by them in the cafeteria no they
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know those guys are there you know
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they're keeping him going it just
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especially when Jobs was there because
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jobs according to all the stories and
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the books everything was like you know
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buddy buddy with I of him was all about
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the hardware product and he liked the
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awesome software when said want to see
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what the software people to him do you
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think I'd you know Steve Jobs to his
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hanging out with server-side people he
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only had to saw them when they screwed
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up and if they weren't screwing up find
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he did Mona like Oh take me through a
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tour of your data centers and how we
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maybe I'm wrong about this it's hard so
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hard to tell from the outside but from
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the outside it's so clear that that
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Apple's culture technological and
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corporate culture is very different from
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Google's when it comes to focus on
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things like something the cat sitting in
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manpower it's weird because you could
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argue or you could say that you know
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Google's expertise has always been date
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and the total lack of user experience
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attention until very recently an apple
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you could have said was the opposite of
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that and that they've always focused
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tremendously on the user experience on
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the user experience being great and
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maybe less on things like data I mean I
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don't think ping is a good thing to
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point to here but it is an example of
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them sort of being in an area outside of
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their deep level of expertise and here
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you have a situation where Google is
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winning because of their data Google is
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winning because they have this
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incredible volume of data that's been
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entered in it's been you know users have
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helped create this over the years and
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now this is situation where Apple's
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weakness in this area has become very
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unfortunately very visible yes I'm just
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trying to look up the link to the
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previous episodes the everybody wants to
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rule the world phenomenon where I've
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been mown the fact that it's so clear do
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that to us what the strengths and
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weaknesses of these companies are and
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for that brief moment when they were
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working together to complement each
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other's strengths and weaknesses google
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data google search Apple you I Apple
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hardware like that those were the golden
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years but now everyone's got to split
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off on there around the months to do
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everything so I was like now we have to
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control maps I mean that split was kind
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of inevitable because of the difference
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in philosophy between the two companies
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and business model and like you know
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just everything like it's it's like a
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marriage doomed to fail you knew it was
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gonna fail but you know the wedding
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pictures were real nice and the
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honeymoon was good right it gets back to
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people asking you know I said well
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apples not gonna go do search but like
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why wouldn't Apple do search you know
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why don't we buy DuckDuckGo why doesn't
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Apple pull a Bing and compete with
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google and search I mean right that's
[TS]
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that that if you have to think of
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something that Apple was the least able
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to do successfully it would be make a
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search engine right I mean ping is like
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social and obviously they're terrible
[TS]
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bad and that didn't work and they don't
[TS]
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understand it right but this search
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engine is like the hardest big data
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problem in the entire world and you know
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if your whole company isn't built around
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it like you can have a side project put
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ten guys on it make something to be with
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or back in a year or two years or three
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years you know just ask Microsoft how
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hard it is it is not easy and I would
[TS]
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not recommend they do that so apples
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just gotta find a you know Apple can't
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do everything they have to find a way to
[TS]
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work with others saying that's why I
[TS]
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tweeted earlier this week that Apple's
[TS]
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philosophy you know Apple doing maps and
[TS]
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everything is like that it's so clear
[TS]
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that they want to be in control their
[TS]
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own destiny but there are dangers
[TS]
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inherent in that about being in control
[TS]
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of your own destiny and the bottom line
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is Apple can't do everything itself it
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has to partner with someone about some
[TS]
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things even the biggest company the
[TS]
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world can't do everything it can't be
[TS]
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good at everything can't have seven
[TS]
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different corporate cultures each a
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disciplined and focused on one
[TS]
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particular thing so it's got to figure
[TS]
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out a way to to work this out like now
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that I'm saying they should abandon
[TS]
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their Maps thing but at a certain point
[TS]
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if a year goes by in this map situation
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is still bad people are gonna be like
[TS]
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all right a punk cool kiss and make up
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surely you two crazy kids can you know
[TS]
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can work something out right because
[TS]
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maybe android phones are still annoying
[TS]
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and people don't like them and they have
[TS]
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their own set of problems with people
[TS]
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like mad you know what i want i just
[TS]
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want an iphone but i want to be able to
[TS]
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make calls so when it's beyond verizon
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and i wanted to have google maps because
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they're the best map so we got the
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verizon iphone but then we lost the
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google maps all right so maybe the the
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honeymoon period ended when we as soon
[TS]
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as we lost one of those three things we
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got an iphone that can make calls in the
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US actually we lost the biz wouldn't get
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LTE soon as we get LTE we lost the maps
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oh okay i'll have it all yeah i think
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apple can come back from this and i
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think they can there's no there's no
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reason that they can't do exactly what
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google did if they want to do it smarter
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and cheaper and fine good on them go
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nuts but if they can't do it smarter and
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cheaper just to exactly what google did
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just spend some of your money if this is
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such a critically important thing you've
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got a hundred billion dollars spent some
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of it and do you know and do the brute
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force method and it'll still take them
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years to catch up and google's to keep
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advancing but you got to do what you got
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to do so the final bid on maps from Matt
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McClure he says how hard would it be for
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Apple to run a script comparing the data
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in their maps to google maps like
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basically just diff apples Maps against
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Google in the lab so that's such a
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dangerous situation because you know
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applicant do whatever wants internally
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but at the point where it you know it
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dips those things and then says you know
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what we can also do wherever we find
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differences we can just automatically
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make our maps match Google's and like at
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that point you're copying apple and
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Google's map data and then you're just
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gonna get sued and some legal thing
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going on or whatever see internally you
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can use it as a QA tool but all you can
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really do is flag cases where their
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differences and then have a human look
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at them if you automate the entire
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process all you're doing is really
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copying Google's map data and I'm pretty
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darn sure that copying Google's mec data
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is legal and you get you into hot water
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so first of all it's clear that Apple
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didn't do this because their Maps differ
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wildly from Google's in very bad ways
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and second I would suggest that it's
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probably not a good idea to do this
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because it's a very short leap from
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simply using it for purposes of QA which
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may or may not be legal and copying map
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did they're just gonna do themselves no
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way around they will though german jim
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dalrymple well no I'm a little more
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confident because jim dalrymple kind of
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boosted my confidence on the Wednesday's
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episode of amplified he kind of made me
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feel a little bit better about it
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alright if there's one thing that Apple
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has shown that they're good at as a
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company it's reacting to a problem like
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when something comes up and it is a
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problem and it gets to the point where
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the CEO is writing an apology letter
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like all hands on deck everyone's going
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nuts we're gonna really fix the maps
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problem but I don't doubt their resolve
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to do so what I doubt what I doubt is
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their their ability to do so like that
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that same result was there for iCloud
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for example this molding thing as a mess
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we totally need to have a cloud you know
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online network based strategy that does
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not like mobile me because it's not
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competitive at all we need to make a
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good one and so they game up with iCloud
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which was a really big effort and an
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ongoing effort but the reality is like
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it's better than mobile me but it's not
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as reliable as Google stuff and still
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flaky and there are problems all tied up
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with the you know the app store and
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sandboxing the iCloud api's like it's
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they really put a big effort into it and
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their results to like me so far anyway
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yeah maybe maps is an easier problem
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than cloud computing at least as far as
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Apple's concerned we'll see I'll get it
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by the way Merlin has tweeted us the
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link is entitled speaking for yourself
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and that is in the show notes why is he
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listening to show but not in a chat room
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like it's like you're he can't do like
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two different things at one time he
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can't listen and type or or read at the
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same time but he's wasting his time but
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let's think the show like wasting maybe
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what I'm saying like he could be doing
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other things he's chosen to invest his
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time in the show but not to the degree
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that he wants to be in the chat room
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where he doesn't communicate more yeah
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he doesn't really work in the same way
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that other people do and I don't mean
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like he doesn't have a job work I mean
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like is the way his mind works in need
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this is this is his fuel this show with
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you on it is his fuel he'll be ten times
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more productive later today because he's
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heard he's heard you and he likes a live
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on my car like that
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maybe they'll expand to cars like what
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does it only work for like computer
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hardware why can't you do pissed its how
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do you ship a car though well you need
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to have to have someone come and drive
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it away right but you can't ship it so I
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guess that's one problem but like
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they're doing it sight unseen you tell
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them what you have you tell them it
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works like it turns on it works find
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something broken about I think tell you
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okay we'll pay that much of that they
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just give you the money like they give
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it to you before you ship it don't you
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go ahead and I had my car appraised
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yesterday yeah I saw you in the dealer
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there came in came in way higher that
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was hoping what you got rid of the pilot
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yeah I don't talk about that yeah I
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wouldn't put that in the after yeah I
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haven't driven in a foreigner my dad had
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made for a while back but my father
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hugged me on a hook once twice I don't
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know that one is joining your tiny
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dangerously very good i got an imam i'm
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catching up all right ipod touch I PT
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and are continuing to our hardware that
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I have never touched yeah the ipod or
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seen in person but I see your detailed
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review of a product you have no actual
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experience with well what we have is
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high res pictures here let me are they
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real pictures are they renderings well
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you know what I'm same thing close
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enough I think a lot of these look like
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they're illustrator renders yeah yeah
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some as people know who listens to show
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for a while I don't have an iphone i use
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iPod Touches for my handheld iOS needs
[TS]
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which works out for me because I use it
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at home and I use it at work both of
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which have Wi-Fi and I survived um and
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so I've been frustrated by the fact that
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the ipod touches never quite the iphone
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without a phone that is often described
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as my god you know you don't want to get
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an iphone i look just get the ipod touch
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it's like an iphone but just doesn't
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have the phone part that is not the case
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and hasn't been the case for many years
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unfortunately i remember the brief
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moment in time when the ipod touch was
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actually the fastest iOS device you
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could buy what when was that alright so
[TS]
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i had to look this up on wikipedia to
[TS]
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make sure i'm not crazy I'm not crazy
[TS]
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this actually happened the iphone 3g
[TS]
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came out in july of 2008 and it
[TS]
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412 megahertz arm11 176 j7 f hyphen s
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processor they didn't have nice names
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like a five and Nathan alright the ipod
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touch 2nd gen came out in September of
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2008 and had a 533 megahertz version of
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the same processor so there july the 3g
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comes out and it's for 12 megahertz in
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September the ipod touch comes out and
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it's 533 so it had a faster clock speed
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basically it was the fastest iOS device
[TS]
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you could buy if you bought the most
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expensive iPhone you could get in
[TS]
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September 2008 it would have an iphone
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3g and its CPU would have been for 12
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megahertz and the ipod touch had the
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exact same cpu at five thirty three so
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there you go and i have that ipod touch
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still do it sitting in this room back in
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the corner there 533 mirror its fastest
[TS]
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iOS device you can buy and it wasn't
[TS]
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beaten until june of 2009 summer the
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next year when the iphone 3gs came out
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with a six hundred mega its arm cortex
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a8 not the appellate the cortex a8 is so
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it's something she asking i know ah but
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anyway so from that period of time from
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September 2008 to june 2009 the ipod
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touch was the fastest iOS device you
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could buy it played games better had
[TS]
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better frame were like it actually was
[TS]
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an appreciable difference especially in
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games where they were like pushing the
[TS]
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limits of what the iphone 3g could do
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the ipod touch was like a little bit
[TS]
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smoother less glitchy ah but even then
[TS]
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the insides weren't exactly the same
[TS]
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like it didn't even have a microphone or
[TS]
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a speaker if you're bleeding out this
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that ipod touch did not have it had like
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the PC speaker that's one thing I know
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about the PC they had what they called
[TS]
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the PC speaker which blew my mind
[TS]
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because my first computer a habit you
[TS]
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know I had a vic 20 then right to the
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original mac right and the original mac
[TS]
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had a proper speaker and you could play
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sounds of the simpsons and you know
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various other things and they sounded
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like regular sound but the pc had a
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system that could just make bleeps and
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boobs and terrible staggie people in the
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links kit was links the golf game that
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tried to make speech through that
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horrible piece of speaker with static
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regos i think that remember that when
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you talked it was like yeah put the bar
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I can't do this like it was just told
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they would make speech by making noise
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from the PC speaker was hideous anyway
[TS]
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that's what the ipod touch as it could
[TS]
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go beep boop boo bleep but you couldn't
[TS]
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play music sound for video anything like
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that didn't have a microphone didn't
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have a camera it was you know a pale
[TS]
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shadow of the iphone but at least the
[TS]
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innards were the same well since then
[TS]
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the iphone has always been head it's had
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a better cpu is had more ram IV ipod
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touch eventually got a camera but the
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but it was always a cruddy camera
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eventually the ipod i've got a
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microphone and a speaker but they're not
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as good as you know it was always the
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home was always better and whenever i
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complained about this a hundred people
[TS]
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sending me replies yes we all know why
[TS]
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this is the case it's because the iphone
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is subsidized you're not paying the
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price for the iphone you're buying the
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iphone and then you're signing up for a
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two-year contract if you buy an
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unsubsidized iphone is like 900 bucks or
[TS]
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whatever and ipod touch has to cost two
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►
hundred dollars or you know now it's a
[TS]
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►
little bit more of course the ipod touch
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has to be cruddy ER at that price point
[TS]
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so i understand all the reasons for this
[TS]
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and i've always said that i'd be willing
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to pay more for an ipod touch that has
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specs that are closer to the iphone and
[TS]
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I've always been disappointed because I
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don't want to pay two thousand dollars
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over two years for a contract from my
[TS]
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iphone right I I just want to pay a
[TS]
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couple hundred bucks for the ipod touch
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and use it for a couple years no
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contracts no nothing alright so even
[TS]
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►
though there are logical reasons for the
[TS]
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ipod touch to be the way it is it's
[TS]
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always disappointed me because i don't
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have an iphone or not not into that
[TS]
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quite yet so the current ipod touch the
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new one that apple just announced
[TS]
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actually moves a little bit in my
[TS]
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►
direction first of all they increase the
[TS]
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price there is no $200 model anymore
[TS]
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like the cheapest one you can get is 250
[TS]
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►
but it's not a big increase but it shows
[TS]
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that like all right it's not it's not
[TS]
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eight hundred dollars it's not an iphone
[TS]
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without a phone but let's crank up the
[TS]
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price a little bit so we can make this
[TS]
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►
thing a little bit better one of the big
[TS]
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►
places they made it better was they gave
[TS]
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it the same screen as the iphone I the
[TS]
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in the past they've you know when the
[TS]
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iphone one retina sort of the ipod touch
[TS]
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but it wasn't the same screen it was
[TS]
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like it was the same resolution the same
[TS]
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size but not at the extreme was not as
[TS]
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expensive the color saturation wasn't as
[TS]
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good the viewing angles weren't as good
[TS]
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and it just wasn't as nice a screen well
[TS]
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►
this according to all reports has the
[TS]
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►
exact physical same screen as the iphone
[TS]
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5 which everyone says the iphone 5
[TS]
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►
screen looks awesome so i assumed about
[TS]
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►
touch screen will look awesome so big
[TS]
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►
you know it's the taller screen
[TS]
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►
obviously but it's the exact same panel
[TS]
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►
as all the great characteristics
[TS]
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►
as all the great characteristics
[TS]
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►
the iphone thing I think that's probably
[TS]
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►
where most of the money went and why
[TS]
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this thing is more expensive than the
[TS]
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►
previous model because that component
[TS]
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cannot be cheap and so I after extra 50
[TS]
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►
bucks and I think that like maybe they
[TS]
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►
should have also continued to make it
[TS]
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200 dolla model I know they're still
[TS]
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selling the old one for the cheaper
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price but maybe for the people who don't
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care about the screen that could have
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got away with a cheaper one but
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economies of scale is probably good idea
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to just go with the same screaming
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everywhere so thumbs up in that it's got
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an a5 CPU presumably the 32 nanometer
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version that debuted in the revised ipad
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2 instead of having an a6 you can kind
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of understand that they're they're
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selling every single iphone 5 they can
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make that you don't want to pull off
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some of your a6 supply into your much
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less profitable product the ipod touch
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it would have made this product much
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more expensive than it is that would
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have been you know another increase in
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cost and they're already increasing it
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for the screen but you know in a 5 it's
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it's better than what I've got now in my
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many many year old previous generation
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ipod touch person they didn't revise for
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like two years I think it's just an old
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a foreign here so I give a thumbs up to
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the a5 being in here camera is not quite
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as good as the iphone they'd make a
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pixel camera this is just a 5 megapixel
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camera but that's a way better than the
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camera that's currently in my ipod touch
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so that's an upgrade as well Siri
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support is a nice you know they used to
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do things were like oh well the hardware
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can handle it but we just slide out to
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bring that feature of the ipod touch
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well Siri now is supported on the ipod
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touch which means of us have a
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microphone good enough to support it and
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all that stuff i'm assuming that the
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ipod debt has less ram than the iphone
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simply because like you know they've got
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to save money somewhere and so the
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iphone 5 is 1 gig of ram I'm hoping this
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ipod touches 512 i'm assuming it does
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maybe the previous one is 512 but anyway
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i'm assuming it doesn't have a gig of
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ram if it does i will be very pleasantly
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surprised the physical design of this
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thing again having not seen one person
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but i've read all the reports that you
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know so the iphone 5 is thin if people
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like oh my god this is so thin so like
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the ipod touch even thinner and lighter
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and that always amazes people who are
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iphone users and I show them my ipod
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touch and they forget how thin these
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things are because they don't have to
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put all the phone innards in there these
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things can be really really thin
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and the the most interesting thing I
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think about this I phone the this new
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ipod touch design is not the fact that
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it comes in colors talk about a second
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but it's that they made it so thin that
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they couldn't fit the camera in the
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thickness of the case that they made if
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you go to apple's website on the odd
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their ipod touch page which is in the
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show notes but you should be able to
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find it yourself and look at the side
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view sort of profile of the device
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showing you how thin it is the camera
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sticks out a couple of millimeters like
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there's a smooth flat bag it's just
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complete flat surface and then all of a
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sudden there's like a little rectangular
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bump out for the camera exists 5x pic
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megapixel camera you know it was a
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packaging consideration i'm assuming
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like this is just not enough vertical
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space inside this thing to fit that bad
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camera ah and this is interesting to me
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because it reinforces the notion of this
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thing being the naked robotic core of
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the device because think about it so
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they're giving you the slippery little
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metal thing that's very thin as thin as
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they could possibly make it but one part
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of it they couldn't quite make as thin
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as they wanted it so sticks out that
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actually i think is a good thing from my
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perspective because i'm going to buy
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this thing and i'm going to buy a case
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that is silicone rubber that coats the
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entire back of this device and the
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camera will poke out through it so when
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i'm done i'm hoping the surface of the
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camera will be flush with the case that
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I'm putting on it and that will actually
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also serve to anchor the case so it
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doesn't slide around because if you make
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a very precise cut out for a circular
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camera and the camera pokes through it
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that makes it so the case doesn't slide
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anywhere maybe they won't be that
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precise maybe it'll just be a cutout on
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the other side they have to leave room
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for the flash and what assume is the
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microphone or light sensor right over
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that other thing is next to it but this
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is exactly what I'm looking for if
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you're going to make the naked robotic
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core of the device make it with you know
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with the idea that the things that poke
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out of it will be flush with the
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finished surface the sort of thing you
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know it's like when you do a
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reconstruction and work at home where
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you you know you do a bunch of stuffing
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it looks like things are all way too
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high it's because they're good that's
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all going to be level with the finished
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surface of the floor but the finish
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surface of the floor isn't there yet
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well so the camera is flushed with the
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finished surface of this ipod touch once
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i put a case on it for people who don't
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have cases well you know i'm sure they
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didn't take it poked out on purpose they
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just couldn't fit
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so they decided that it's better to have
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the entire device be super thin then to
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as someone in the chat room suggested
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why not make when I just make the
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battery two millimeters thicker and give
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you like an extra 30 minutes of battery
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life or something on it why not just do
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that why do you have to make it so thin
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so thin that you can't even fit your
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camera in it that would be a different
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trade-off but Apple just goes you know
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as thin as possible to the point where
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they even thinner than possible we is
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not possible to make this thinner
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because the cameras too big will get you
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know what making a thinner anyway and I
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think they can get away with that
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because of the naked robotic core
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concept of their designs whether it's in
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their heads or not I think that's a good
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move and I think it's being true to the
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philosophy that they've you know used
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for their handheld devices we'll see if
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they regret it like maybe I think pokes
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out and ends up like catching on things
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or cracking and they have to make it
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flush next time or as soon as they can
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make it flush I assume they would make
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it flush something they're gonna leave
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it stick me out for my benefit but I
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give that a thumbs up you approve of
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that yeah the wrist strap that's an
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interesting it's a weird one I can't
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really see you using that like so the
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question everyone had is why why does
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this have a wrist strap and the iphone
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doesn't what is you're at you're asking
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me why as I'm asking you why do you
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think why is this cuz it's for kids it's
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for little kids kids need help so they
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don't drop the electronics see this is a
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case where only Apple knows the answer
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because the to figure out that the value
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of that theory is is the ipod touch
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dropped more often than the iphone and
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who knows that we of course it is
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because kids have it they hold it kids
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drop things that's that sounds good in
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theory but I don't you know the I think
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it but there are other aspects that I
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can think about like who is more likely
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to be walking over a surface that will
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cause a crack while using their device
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like people using their phone are more
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likely to be on the go using their
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device than a kid I always picture them
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sitting on a couch or something like
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they're not running down the sidewalk
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with their ipod touch their their
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stationary or in some place with the
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soft surface whereas people with iphones
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are using it all day during work and the
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commute and stuff like that and it seems
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more like that they would drop them
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there now kids obviously a less
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responsible and they
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like leave them on the couch and you sit
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on them and stuff like that but I can go
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either way on that I'd have to see
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numbers have to see apples repair
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numbers a pretty no percentage of ipod
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touches sold that come back due to it
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with damage due to you know user neglect
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not even weather was done by a kid or
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not ah yeah i mean that's that's the
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best fighter I've heard is that the
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wrist strap is there because the ipod
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touch is marketed to younger audience
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that's why they come in colors and stuff
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like that and it's cheaper and you're
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more likely to give one to a kid and
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maybe this will help the kid not drop
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but of course the real problem is
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getting the kid to put on the wrist
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strap is anyone with a wee knows you got
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to be on top of them about keeping the
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wrist strap on there because if left to
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their own devices they will just forget
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and it's not that important to them to
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have the wrist drop and I trained my son
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very well to put the wrist strap on but
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occasionally still when i come in i'll
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see him flipping that thing around you
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can tell because you can hear the little
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plastic nubbin in the middle of the
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wrist wrap whacking against things you
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know it should be should not be flying
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around when he's waving his hand around
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kids forget so i don't know if i use the
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wrist strap but it's interesting they
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devoted not just like it comes with this
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trap it's not it's not like a thing you
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have to buy after the fact for thirty
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dollars or whatever it comes with the
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wrist strap the wrist wrap is color
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match to the thing and they dedicated
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part of this design to this little flush
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metal knob that you push in and it pops
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up again popping up proud of the surface
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and that's where you put the wrist drop
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honestly it's like I'm like it's a
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mechanical thing mechanical feature of
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the device dedicated solely to not
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marring the surface when you're not
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using the restaurant so they wanted to
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be beautiful and flush they didn't want
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to put like a loop on it or a hook or
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whatever there would be there when you
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didn't have a thing that so instead they
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have this little pop-up thing I really
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want to play with one of those and see
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what that's like and what its odds of
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our of maintaining its functionality in
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the face of sand and dust and other
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things that might get into that area but
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you know this this is like one of those
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experiments like where they you know
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take the buttons off the shuffle or make
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the fat nano or something you're like
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hmm I guess they'll put this is like
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putting feelers out with a whole wrist
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strap idea but if this is gangbusters
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and people love it can you ever imagine
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them selling like an iphone 6 with a
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wrist strap no way the rigging wrist
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straps are for kids does it imply a
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decreased faculty
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are lowered responsibilities like like
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lowered expectations yeah like you know
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okay guys well we know you're a klutz so
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these are going to come the new iphone 6
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comes with wrist strap because iphone 6
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users cannot keep their hands and
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there's things yeah it's kind of like
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embarrassing i assume i will not use it
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i'll probably get one of these ipod like
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for you to try it and report back like
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how does it I'm not how does that
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manifest itself like I pick it up off
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the table and I use it and they put it
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back man do I pick it up off the table
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and put their put the ramp on and then
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use it to check Twitter then take the
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wrist strap all I don't even think I
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could do that it doesn't definitely
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eliminate your concern about it
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spontaneously sliding off the table
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though oh but you know my concerns about
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like putting on the arm of the couch and
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stuff i don't have the wrist drop on
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eyes i'm putting i think you would put
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it on you keep it on you just let it
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dangle yeah yeah at all at all times
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it's on yeah well i'm watching this and
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the colors it could be IM this way yeah
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the colors I'm I don't like this phase
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in Apple's color choices it's kind of
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like the ps2 ports that we talked about
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earlier these sort of washed out pastel
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colors maybe that's like in fashion or
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maybe it's part of the current theme but
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compared to the the time when Apple was
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Megan colored hardware actually you know
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making waves as being one of the first
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companies to start integrating fashion
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sense into their hardware do you
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remember the lifesaver imax lifesaver
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what was the code name rather prefer oh
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that that line of it yeah they come in
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colors with all the ads they ass it's
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not easy being green perhaps my apple
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commercial ever yes I love Jim Henson
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and Kermit and showing a green computer
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and had you know they had the one with
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the cream song for the white one those
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colors were so much more bold before the
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initial line of colors would like the
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that you know lifesaver red or the the
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emerald green or they you know those
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were just saturated bold colors these
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are like kind of like silver with like a
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red tint Slyke for this way can you
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imagine are you looking at these colors
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now here the colored ipod touches yeah
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are coming in any of these colors and
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not looking hideous except for the black
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even the black bow is kind of not great
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but like that read like no sports car
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would ever be that red it's practically
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salmon it would just look terrible and
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the yellow I mean maybe a Volkswagen
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Beetle but even then it's just sort of a
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tepid kind of like diluted lemonade piss
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yellow it's not good and that blue like
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it's not even a bold teal that you'd
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want like a miata convertible or
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something invert for it's just none of
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these colors are that strike me as
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colors that I want on my thing and it's
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driving me and probably a lot of other
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people to just give the black if the
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black is not that the best seller on
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this thing I will be shocked because
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those all the colors like even the minis
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and stuff like that I think again may I
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know nothing about fashion so maybe I'm
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wrong and maybe these colors are totally
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in now people will love them in their
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best-selling model will be like the
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pinkish it's not even think of the
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reddish one because people will think
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it's pink but I ma if I get one of these
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be black are you serious like it you
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the product red thing we was good was
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repins they used to deep rich like blood
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red and you know so aluminum sparkly red
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that was good this is not good so thumbs
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there are colors I don't like the colors
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fluorescent yeah that's coming back
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that's back now I don't know if that's
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been no I'm yeah I'm being told that
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it's back right now who's telling you
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but it's patties telling me that I'm i
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don't know i don't flashing colors are
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could be the case also you can wear you
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can wear jeans shirts now again and
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skinny ties remember the kind of skinny
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ties used I had little remembers getting
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a little mesh it like the mesh woven
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yeah I remember those with the straight
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bottom that's back now did you save
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straight bottom but I did have skinny
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ties yeah I don't have any of them
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anymore and apparently if I had saved
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them I would be the height of fashion
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high end you in the chatroom lolz man
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who says you asking them to go back to
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college from 10 years ago 100-percent
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red is not a color from 10 years ago
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read below like it's not a fashion color
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is the opposite of a fashion color it's
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just it's just red I just turn on the
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red pixels on your screen that's called
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red and it made me fashion that those
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colors get used a lot but it's not like
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it's not like fluorescence where it say
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its distinctive it's interesting it's
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different it marks you as a period of
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time just one hundred percent like
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Ferraris Ferraris have been there have
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red but all of them are clearly
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recognizable as Ferrari red there's a
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sort of a universality of the theme of
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red sports car hmm and what you get are
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the feds in between of like the teal
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things and everyone's into silver or
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matte black was a trend in sports cars
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for a while yeah like those are the feds
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but Ferrari red will never go out of
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style never and I've also had he's
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corrected me at the flash and serve our
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height of fashion in Europe anyway yeah
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this is this is what our audience to sit
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for they are color so that their colors
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it's a universal color red and under
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percent a hundred percent red there are
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many different reds for Ferraris but all
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would you get a red one know John you
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wouldn't get a red ipod touch hell yes I
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would good you would get it can to get
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this project red or whatever that thing
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is don't think I thought you mean a meta
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Ferrari oh of course if Ferrari would be
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red I mean come on obviously no ipod
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touch I don't look down to anybody who
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buys a different color Ferrari cuz fries
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do look good in many different colors
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yeah if you get one chance to buy a
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Ferrari as far as I'm concerned I'm
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getting a rib because it what cars can
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you get in red and not be like that's to
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be a Ferrari like you get a Corvette in
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red it's like man if you get some other
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sports car dread is like no but if you
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get a Ferrari that's the one car you can
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be a shame you're like it's a Ferrari
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it's coming in red but no dad ipod touch
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i could get the black and i'm gonna put
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a case on it i'm not even gonna see this
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which is all the more reason why it
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should be you know blacks kind of like
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the background color alright I got one
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points out that the product red ipod
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touch still exists and is still in nice
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that traded one hundred percent red so
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you can still get that red one it does
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look the way I think red should look
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maybe doesn't look quite as deep as the
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old ipod nanos but it could just be as a
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photography so I'm relieved to see that
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I still wouldn't get mine in red but if
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I had to buy one for someone else that
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didn't like black or didn't like silver
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by the way the silver 1i think let me
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click on that yeah the reason you don't
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get the silver one is good as the white
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front like I don't mind the back of the
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silver ipod touch but then the front is
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white and that's a snow girl for me ah
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the rest of the front of the red one is
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white as well which is kind of a shame
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of stones looking like a candy cane
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instead of something nice but the back
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is the true deep red that I want it so
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so there you go it's not it's not all
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terrible but it's not great either if
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you could get that red one with a black
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front that might look nice I might
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consider that one but they don't make it
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alright final final bit from apples and
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a husband in two weeks ago that we were
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winding our way through slowly and
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painfully is the new ipod min as i
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mentioned earlier the ipod nano has been
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another sort of playground for Apple
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where they did the fat nano if you lined
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up all the nanos from the beginning of
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time to now if you would not guess that
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these are all the same product if they
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didn't all just share the name because
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it started off as like kind of tall and
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vertical it's like that's what an ipod
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and it was it's really skinny tall and
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vertical then I got fat and then
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eventually got square with a touchscreen
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and it's just like you know what is the
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ipod nano is just yeah but nano is a the
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product the ipod that Apple makes it's
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this it's this price point and it is
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smaller than the ones that is smaller
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than a classic that's basically the only
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defining characteristic of now small
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that an iPod Touch smaller than a
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classic and hits like 150 dollar price
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point more or less up and down from
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there now looking at this nano I have to
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say again not having seen in person only
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looking at photographs but they're very
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high res photographs and their apples
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photographs so I'm assuming they're
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showing the device in the best possible
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light it looks as if some crappy Asian
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mp3 player was given to apples product
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photography team I said look we know
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this thing is a hideous monstrosity but
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we're going to give it to the best
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product for drivers in the world and 3d
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render people and so does make it look
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but this thing does not look apple like
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in any way to me in particular that
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volume rocker slits which looks like
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it's right from the 80s right off of a
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sony walkman like where it's got the
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plus and minus and it's a single switch
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and it's like little scooped out like
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that looks right from the ACE it does
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not look like an apple product at all to
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me the overall shape of this thing is
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not distinctive or strong it is
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basically like if you looked at it in
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profile it's like a a rectangle with
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rounded end caps more or less on our
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capsule-shaped right so that's that's
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the profile this thing but it is not
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that shape is not strongly communicated
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in the design that to compare it to the
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old nanos which was similar was like a
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sort of a the cross section was exactly
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the same and had curved edges and was
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straight up and down straight front
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straight back that one was like a single
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solid pieces of aluminum curved into
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that shape and extruded and that was
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communicated through the whole device
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right this one has that faceplate
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they'll sort of Lumia looking face plate
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that's sort of a different color and a
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rounded rectangle inside a square
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rectangle like this is hard to explain
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without someone looking at but if you
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look at it head-on it's a perfect
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rectangle with sharp edges inset into
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that is a white rectangle with curved
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edges and it's just it breaks up the
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design does not and that stupid rocker
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thing on the side does not say it's not
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pure to it's true to its form like
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Johnny I aviso he's talking about how
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they were making the the sunflower imac
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the one that had the horizontal base
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shaped like a dome and then like the arm
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and the thing like let each piece be
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true to itself the the body of the
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computer is squat and flatten close to
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the ground and the screen is very thin
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and light and floating in the air none
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of these parts of nano are true to
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themselves just this is a kind of
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mongrel thing that doesn't say anything
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to me with its form except for I you
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know I I'm not an apple product and then
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the home button the home button with the
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circular thing on it it also says Asian
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rip off to me because like this oh it's
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got the circle because the shape inside
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the home button is supposed to reflect
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the shape of the little icons that you
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hit on the screen so on the iphone it's
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a rounded rectangle there's all little
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applications your iPhone or rounded
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rectangles now these are round little
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circles right and so they put a circle
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thing but it looks for all the world
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like someone made a bed asian knockoff
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of an apple project I can there's got
[TS]
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slightly wrong like oh you know and you
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put some that outline in the middle yeah
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I think it's a circle just go with that
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right that's what it looks like in same
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thing with the icons on the screen it's
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like okay well we can't do the rounded
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rectangles that would look too much like
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Apple let's just do these circle things
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and of course the reason they do these
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circle things is because this thing is
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not running iOS at least as far as I
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read anywhere i'm sort of sure if it was
[TS]
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I would have read it already but
[TS]
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regardless even if it was running on iOS
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it doesn't run iOS applications it comes
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with applications you can't add more to
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it as far as i know i'm assuming it's
[TS]
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running that proprietary OS that the
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previous nano ran there was i mean maybe
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it's even drive from that pic so stuff
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remember the pic so companies and
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examples operating systems for its
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original so what's going on what's going
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on there it's that time again alright
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it's not it's not my heart it's the
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neighbor's yard pay don't have that much
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land so the neighbors are close to me
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and what can you do we're almost done
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here alright Oh what's a little leaf
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blowing between friends so that's a
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staple of the likely network I feel like
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I like it a lot yeah I never did get to
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get the sanding in the banging from
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Marco but the leaf blowers you universal
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yeah yeah so this is not running iOS I'm
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assuming now and so it has it can't look
[TS]
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like an iOS device when people will buy
[TS]
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it and think oh I can put my favorite
[TS]
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app on there i can put angry birds in
[TS]
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there and they'll get it and realize
[TS]
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they just a temp Wi-Fi or any other
[TS]
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network connection be no you can't put
[TS]
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your apps on there it just has apps that
[TS]
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it comes with so I understand the need
[TS]
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to make sure there's no confusion and
[TS]
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customers minds but it looks for all the
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world like a ripoff of an Apple device
[TS]
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that's crappier and it kind of is
[TS]
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because you would like to put apps on
[TS]
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there like you're gonna give this thing
[TS]
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a big touchscreen not quite as big as an
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old ipod touch touchscreen but it's
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bigger than the little tiny touch screen
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and you're gonna make me tap on things
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to launch them and stuff and you're
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gonna give me a home button it's like so
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close you're so close right so the
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question in my mind is ignoring the
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physical design of this which I'm sure
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will change in a generation or two and
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we'll just all forget about this one
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like the fat nano right when does the
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Nano go iOS I mean I'm assuming it go to
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a point as soon as they're able to make
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one hundred and fifty dollar device that
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runs iOS the going iOS means all sorts
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of things means you got to be able to
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use the app store you got to have
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networking is like it's basically got to
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have the capabilities of an ipod touch
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you have to put why
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by in there you have to put a cpu that's
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capable of running whatever the current
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version of iOS is you have to put enough
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RAM there to do that yeah a big enough
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screen so that people don't have to you
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know resize their apps so basically
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becomes like this is ever go iOS or does
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it come look like a third platform where
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you've got ipad apps it's getting
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confusing your ipad apps and you have
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iphone apps those are clearly two
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different things and ipad app is not an
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iphone app they're different things like
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they could look entirely I know you can
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make universal apps but from the user
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interface perspective Apple would like
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you to make two different app
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experiences for the same platforms even
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if it's in a universal app now you have
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tall and short iphone screens so that's
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another difference that in platforms but
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that I'm sure that will eventually go
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away and they'll all be taller right and
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then we are assuming there's gonna be
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the ipad mini thing but those are just
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gonna be ipad app so you're okay there
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but if they did I've if the ipad ipod
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nano when iOS now you definitely need
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another category of applications you
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can't run phone apps on it you can't run
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a pet ipad apps on you've only can only
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run on ipod nano apps on it because if
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you make the screen big enough to run
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iphone apps then doesn't it just become
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an ipod touch like how it stops being
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the Nano then like now you're just
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making a different ipod touch right and
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that doesn't make sense to me so i don't
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know i like i thought there was a chance
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that they would try to make a go iOS
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this time around and maybe like just it
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uses iOS under covers but you don't know
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that you can't load apps onto and stuff
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like that just to make it easier for
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them internally because i got to think
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again the team that does the OS for the
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ipod nanos i'm sure they're all nice
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people but it seems like they're not
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unlike the glory project right well
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still you know they're still making a
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device it a lot of people use them going
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to be appreciative of that well yeah
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it's a it's not like it's not like the
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number one project but it's not like
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it's bad oh I only write the OS for like
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it one of apple's best selling products
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like oh wow what a crap job you have
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it's not like microsoft kin team right
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Green you work really hard and make
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something that actually is interesting
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they just can it like two weeks later
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okay it's not that bad but yeah Apple is
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such a focused company than like mac and
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iOS like that's all they do you know
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their TV thing runs iOS because like
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they just and in the mac and iOS are
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still basically based on the same
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platform it's all darwin under the
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covers is so much sharing it's like all
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the wood behind one hour there's so much
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apples corporate philosophy and then
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these little weird things off to the
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side it and TV the TV boxes are really
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interesting because they originally ran
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a variant of Mac OS and switched to a
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baron of iOS right you know their
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product strategies just at the platform
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but it's always been one of those two
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big big platforms that they do and then
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like the ipods and the nano is like
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first the ipods like oh that doesn't run
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OS it's just you know kind of interface
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with a little click wheel but eventually
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everything becomes an OS and it seems
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inevitable that apple will have to
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address the ipod mount of either
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canada's a product or folded into the
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ipod touch or make a third platform for
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small things and i was actually excited
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about the idea of it's staying in that
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small watch size and basically morphing
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into a SmartWatch because that would
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truly be a different platform and you
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wouldn't be tempted to try to run like
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iphone apps and stuff on it like but
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that apparently was not meant to me who
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knows maybe we'll switch back to it you
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know we did have the diversion into the
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button lyst shuffle and then Apple
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change it in mind went back so this
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there's nothing preventing apple from
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trying this hideous thing out for a
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while and then going back to the little
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watch size nano in the next generation I
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don't particularly recommend that i do
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recommend they make this device and look
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better and i'm not a big fan of the
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little circle button type things sounds
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like that's all I've got in the Nano
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that is my least favorite product from
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the announcement by far but you know I'm
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sure they'll sell a lot of them and it's
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fine it's just it's just the ipod nano i
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wonder what the future holds for that
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because they'd like you said they do
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experiment a lot with that and I I don't
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i think i think it's almost like we
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should expect a complete redesign of it
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every every year so every couple of
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years yeah i'm like why do they keep
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read it seems like they keep read a tiny
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but they haven't i mean i guess they
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want to make it better but like they
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haven't even decided like what their
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goals are because this is totally
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different than a little watch thing like
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it's like our goal is to make it as
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small as possible okay that's not our
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goal this time because it's not the
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smallest possible thing they made it
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bigger so think of a big screen on it I
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don't know they're the girls keep
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changing but the price point has not
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changed like that's the thing that
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unifies this product it's a thing it's
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smaller than the big things and cheaper
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than the expensive things but not a
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shuffle right the shuffle like has been
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more standardized like I really like
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that gum stick shuffle the original one
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long skinny things yeah so we can make
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it really small with a clip well I got
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one yeah and then they went too far and
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got rid of all the buttons nice okay
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let's back up again so the shuffle is
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kind of like back in a groove now like
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what will happen with the shuffle it'll
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go away or we'll just stick with this
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design like this like it's a small
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square with a little clip on it and
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maybe it'll change the stuff that's on
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the front of it but yeah I do a lot of
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my listening most of my pockets
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listening actually on a shuffle on a
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series of shuffles that I've had because
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they tend to die painful deaths because
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they're so small and can easily be
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washed and dropped and stepped on other
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things like that all right one thirty I
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think we're done we did 88 minutes I
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mean that's not is that enough it's like
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a machine it's enough man it's like an
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there we go where these short shows
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again 130 that's a short show all right
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all right then well you can follow John
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siracusa on twitter SI RAC USA he's also
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on the alpha dot net and dan benjamin on
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twitter and dan on that alpha that app
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that net thing which do you use that
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Johnny's still using that yeah actually
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have a thing on in my notes may will do
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for the next show but a topic related to
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that I still use it alright so that's it
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and we want to say thanks very much our
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you have a really good week you to them
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