65: Look Right into the Eyes of Your Sweetie
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you are listening to hypercritical it's
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episode number 65 of this a weekly
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talkshow ruminating on exactly what is
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wrong the world of Apple and related
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technologies and businesses nothing is
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so perfect but it can't be complained
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about by my co-host John siracusa like I
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said it's episode number 65 today is
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Friday April 27th 2012 I'm Dan benjamin
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what to say thanks very much to our two
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safety and comfort of your own home good
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day to you captain siracusa now as john
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is a true john short for something
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didn't we do this already i don't recall
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it i'm pretty sure we did but no it's
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not sure it's just John I like it that's
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right run don't you anything you dummy
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that's enough is enough what's not sure
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more than enough you could drop the H no
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that's that's bad okay age is
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distinguished I like it I'm that I'm
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just there's just an idea so I do have
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follow-up today but I thought I would
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start with something that could be a
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topic but it fits in the fall kind of
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segment thought we'd talk a little bit
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about WWDC you did get your ticket so
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let's just get that out there you got
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him yeah yeah and I kind of knew
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Wednesday was going to be the day the
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tickets would go on sale my previous
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theory based on no information was that
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they would go and sale a similar time to
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when I went on sale last year so around
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the 28th I was waiting for them to come
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out and that didn't happen I'm like okay
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so now I have no idea when they're going
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to be and then I started to hear I heard
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things things about Wednesday and so
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come Wednesday I'm like what to do on
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Wednesday should I wake up early and
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make sure I get to work by 9:00 o'clock
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so I can be there you know to buy
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tickets or should I just stay home and
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you know they go on sale 9:00 I'll buy
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them take five minutes and then be a
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little bit late to work and I decided to
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wake up early so I woke up early got got
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headed out dark so it works up
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would be there by nine o'clock and at
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8:40 sitting in my car I had my phone
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out and sitting in the little you know
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center console bin the little thing goes
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off look it's the WWC Alerts tweet and I
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said a very bad word very loudly in my
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car because at that point I was sitting
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in front of a light in traffic not
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moving and I had moved in awhile and I
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continued to sit there watching that
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light cycle change over and over inching
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up half a car length three or four feet
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pause it 18 minutes basically i sat
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there looking at that light but luckily
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I had a contingency plan my contingency
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plan was that vote first of all I had
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already signed my wife up for WC alerts
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as well and the second contingency plan
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was to just get in touch with her and
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have her buy tickets from wherever she
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is on the iPhone 4s she got for
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Christmas right that's what happened I
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called her I said they're for sale I
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gave her my ABC login information and
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she bought sticks for me and so by the
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time I actually got to work like 25
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minutes later I all I had left to do was
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you know Hotel in plain which was more
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expensive this year than last year it's
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kind of a shame yeah although this year
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they had the thing where Apple maybe
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they had last year I just didn't know
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about it Apple has discounted rates for
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hotels last year I bought through one of
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those reseller services that gives you
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like a discount and that ended up being
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very cheap so I didn't look for apples
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thing this year Apple had their own
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rates for attendees slightly cheaper
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than you would have got if you went
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through on your own so I'm staying
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exactly the same place I was staying
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last year which is a little far away
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from me but I'll survive do you want to
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tell me offline which place that is
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because I must I must know these things
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all right and that the story this week
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about WTC is not about whether I got my
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ticket but it's about all of the
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complaining and gnashing of teeth about
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everybody on the west coast you mean
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just ever like even the people who got
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tickets some of them just think it's
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ridiculous you know I got tickets I
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think it's kind of silly and it's just
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kind of soul-searching about what what's
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going on with Debbie Rose it was what's
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the purpose of this obviously there's
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way more demand than there is supply
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sold out in two hours if you graph this
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like 2008 was the first time I sold out
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or something and then it was like they
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sold out in two weeks and they sold out
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in two days then they sold out in 12
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hours now they sold out in two hours you
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graph that you can see like soon they'll
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be selling out you know five years from
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now they'll be selling out three
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microseconds or something obviously it's
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not possible because of the speed of the
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website they have selling them but in
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general it's like that we have a problem
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here in terms of supply and demand and
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some people come in all sorts of things
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like oddly lots of people have plans
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designed to make sure that they get a
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ticket and other people don't oh it
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should be based on the age of your atc
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account to be based on if you have a
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successful app in the store all sorts of
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things like that some one person even
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suggested a lottery which i think it's a
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great way to make nobody happy
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because that's just yeah you know so
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this is kind of like WWE alerts service
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in general this was a service that
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somebody put up i I should have known
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these people's name but I don't but it
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was a Twitter account WWC alerts you can
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go to a web site and you enter in your
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your phone number and they promise to
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send your text when your saying you did
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you did get one right you did receive
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your say I had now again I signed up for
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this just so that I could participate in
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the excitement of the event I didn't
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have any intention of buying tickets and
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I didn't buy any tickets but I still
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have yet to receive my text message I'm
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waiting hoping that I will still get it
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you're not gonna get oh well I guess it
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could be held up in the carrier but so
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the thing people annoyed about with the
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texts is i hey i got my text telling me
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tickets are for sale but i got them
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after the thing was already sold out so
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that kind of defeats the purpose and so
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they weren't sure her to be mad about
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should i be mad at WWC alerts because
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they didn't send me my text until the
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secretary sold out show i met at my
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carrier because the text was sent but
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the carrier held on to it before sending
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it to me and that's a possibility so I
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asked on Twitter what the deal is with
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the with the alerts Inc then again by
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the way this is a free service done out
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of the goodness of someone's heart you
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know don't think anyone has any
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realistic expectation that they owed
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anything by this free service that they
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got and the person who runs it said that
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they sent out tweets and first-come
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first-serve passion or FIFO fashion for
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all you computer scientists out there
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which i think is completely fair because
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the most rabid crazy people who signed
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soon as they saw something called
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debussy alerts that would text you they
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got their their text sent first they
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could still have problems if their
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carrier held on to it or if their phone
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wasn't on or all sorts of other things
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but I would imagine the vast majority of
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people who are getting their texts later
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my wife included it's because they
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signed up later so I signed up the
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second I saw that Twitter account and I
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signed my wife up I think just later in
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that same day or so it wasn't that long
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of a gap between when I signed up when
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my wife signed up but she didn't get her
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text until long long after I got mine so
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and then of course is the wild card of
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carriers holding texts for some amount
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of time which no one can you know make
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any termination of so the WDC alerts is
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like WWC itself and that the current
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strategy they're using is the people who
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want it more have a higher chance of
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getting it not guaranteed but it's kind
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of like if you have a movie theater
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thing where it's like well people line
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up overnight to go see some movie or
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line up overnight to get in to Macworld
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keynote or whatever right those are the
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people who are the most crazy and rabid
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and it's first come first serve and they
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get in if you don't get in you could say
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oh this is BS I'm not gonna stay up over
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you know it's it's kind of sorting
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itself out in terms of enthusiasm now
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again it's not a guarantee because there
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are plenty people who signed up for the
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service the second they saw it and had
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like multiple alarms and had their own
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things set up to scrape apples website
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and write all them in every possible way
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you know and told all the friends to
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text them and tell them and they just
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like they happen to be like at a phone
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range or asleep or they got the text too
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late or you know there's so many things
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they can stop you from getting and those
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people are said and I would be very sad
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about that too so what's the what's the
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solution here and I think this is
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started a lot of soul-searching at least
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amongst the people who didn't get
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tickets about WWDC itself and as this
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conference outgrown its usefulness or in
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its current incarnation it's not it
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doesn't make sense anymore or like
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something is to change about it it seems
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like because you know if it's if every
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year an increasingly smaller fraction of
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the total people who want to go end up
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going that seems bad to me because even
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if those are the most enthusiastic
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fraction is that what Apple wants out
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so it's trying to think about what the
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point of WBC is so there's a couple of
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aspects obviously one is that developers
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go there to get help with doing their
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job they learn things about developing
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for the platforms that Apple promotes
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they get to ask questions in person to
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people who write the code that they use
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to create their applications and
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presumably all of this is more valuable
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than the same thing you would get from
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developer services or from watching the
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videos or you know sending emails or
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whatever because even if you could email
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directly to the guy who wrote the
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particular framework you're using you
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having some sort of core foundation
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problem and you can talk to the guy who
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wrote core foundation was the original
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author of it and the main lead on that
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on the team that created it knows a lot
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about it right even if you could email
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that guy directly that doesn't scale
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because that guy doesn't have time to
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answer all your emails so here at WWC
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that guy takes a week off of his normal
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job basically to answer in person as
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many questions as you can
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but that's limited by how many people
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attend the conference so if if they
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tried to go like virtual like okay for
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this week all app employees are
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available for virtual WWC everybody
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email away it doesn't work because the
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whole point is that dude can't answer
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8,000 emails a day you can only you know
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talk to a limited number of people day
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and the attendance of WWC kind of
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matches up with howhow much can you know
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that you talk to that guy some people
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are harder to get to know this but
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basically over the course of an entire
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week if you are one of the lucky 5,000
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or whatever attendees of WABC you can
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find and talk to the one guy you want to
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an apple or the two guys or whoever you
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can make it happen but if it was ten
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thousand people would that be true
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twenty thousand thirty thousand seventy
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thousand like packs at a certain point
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there aren't enough Apple employees for
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the people to get what they wanted out
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of it but but clearly but with the size
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that it is now that's something that the
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conference is for it's for developers
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who are lucky enough to go to get extra
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special help with their applications and
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to learn things in a way that they
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couldn't without the conference the
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second aspect is Apple is evangelizing
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to developers this is a place for Apple
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to persuade its developers in the
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development community to do whatever it
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wants them to do adopt this API stop
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using this API revise your applications
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for the iPad for the retina iPhone get
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your applications off carbon and onto
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cocoa whatever the thing is that Apple
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is trying to get all the developers to
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do to bring its platform forward here is
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a chance for them to evangelize directly
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to them and I think Apple also believes
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that this is a better way to evangelize
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in terms of effectiveness than sending
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them emails or communicating through
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technical documentation and saying
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things are deprecated or you know what I
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because this is engineers talking to
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engineers in person and that there is
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you know we're human beings and there is
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a persuasive aspect of that that's more
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persuasive than hearing the same thing
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on a video or reading it in an email or
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reading it technical documentation
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having a person up on stage pitching
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basically what Apple wants them to do is
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very effective and presumably if these
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are the most rabid enthusiastic
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developers who really want to get these
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tickets they are the you know the
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influencers and the real hardcore
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developers of the rest of the community
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so if you can convince these guys it
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will spread outward for them to the rest
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of the community another aspect of this
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is that this is one of the WDC is one of
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the rare may be the only time that you
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can get you can get Apple as a
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collective entity to explain to you why
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they do things and pretty much if you
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know in a public place like if you're in
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developer right not in like a late-night
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bar where somebody's yeah you know but
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given a lot of alcohol or even like a
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technical support incident where you may
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be the guy will talk to you about stuff
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that's like all under NDA and it's just
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the big message for their thing but at a
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API like this is it because it's just a
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a chance for them to actually tell you
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why they're doing things and developers
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I feel like me feel they can do it in
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who really cares like it's not going to
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be a New York Times story about C versus
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problem and they'll tell you they'll be
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like well you know I mean maybe they'll
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tell you like your quote unquote
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off-the-record aren't telling you
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because you're pressed but like they'll
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they'll be upfront with you and they'll
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they'll acknowledge problem area is
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another thing you almost never see or
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you talk to Apple developers engineers
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and even hole heads of departments and
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they'll be very candid to you at WWC
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about alia that's crappy we totally need
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to fix that and that was a big mistake
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we we wanted to do that but we found it
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was a horrible mistake and now we're
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stuck with trying to deprecate that api
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many drinks you've had with the people
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maybe they'll even tell you oh like I
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was a jerk knee insist that I'm doing
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this this way and we change it into it
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that way and he got annoyed and change
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to a different group like all the way
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down to individual gossip but but all
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the way up to on stage in front of a
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roomful of people
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and granted all this stuff is under NDA
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there's hundreds or thousands of people
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there it's as far as I'm aware it's a
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unique opportunity to get candid
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communication with an entity that is
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perfected the art of stonewalling
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everybody and only letting out very
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controlled pieces of information so all
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if that's what WTF see is the valley's
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things I describe what is there anything
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that you can replace it with that
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replace our multiple things maybe that
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you replace it with that provides all
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the same things in different
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configurations like if you had a virtual
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conference where they streamed
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everything live but then they took like
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live video questions then could you ask
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your questions in person then but then
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you wouldn't be seeing them like in
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person in person and you couldn't have a
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drink with them afterwards and does the
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evangelizing network as well and does
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that not scale because everyone can't
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get a chance to answer that question or
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do you do the virtual conference that
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also an in-person conference or you just
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change apples policies around
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communicating with developers to be more
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open all the time so WABC isn't the only
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place where you can get this candid
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exchange of information I don't know the
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answer is or maybe you just keep going
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like this or do you double the size w2
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BC and it still works when it's doubled
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but it wouldn't work of as tripled or
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we've seen it happen with many shows
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with South by Southwest and with e3
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where these shows go through a cycle
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where they're they're popular they get
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bigger and bigger and then they implode
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and then they court of go away for a
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while and then come back so South by
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Southwest hasn't imploded yet but I see
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that out in their future if we did
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implode went away came back but the
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implosion of e3 kind of led not directly
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but indirectly it helped boost packs to
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have like an alternate conference about
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everything and there are tons of other
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conferences that alternatives at WABC
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but it's tough to really ever come close
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to replacing a business the one that's
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officially sponsored by Apple where the
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Apple people are there and talking to
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you so I don't know what the answer is
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here I just I think this is an issue
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that will come up a lot in conversations
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at WWC this year and I think the people
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at Apple probably are thinking about it
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I think they've got a few more years
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they can continue like this but at a
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certain point it becomes kind of silly
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and maybe even the people who get to go
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might be going to get a little cranky
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about it and saying this is kind of
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ridiculous you know this year I'm not
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even going to try to stay up and get my
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text and try to get a ticket you know
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and of course the simple solution that I
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always bring up the nobody likes
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including me is so you have a supply and
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demand problem raised the price takes
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care of it right away doesn't it keep
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raising the price until you just barely
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sell out problem solved not really
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because that's favoring rich developers
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from big companies and is that really
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who Apple wants to talk to are they the
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biggest influencers for Apple's purposes
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probably not so if that was the only
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problem it was just a supply and demand
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problem they could solve it just by
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raising the price but I think they'd
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have to raise it pretty darn high
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actually to get the to get it not to
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sell out or just just to barely sell out
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who wants to spend $10,000 for a ticket
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today very sick you know twenty thousand
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dollars how high does it have to be to
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keep people away I do not recommend that
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approach but that would be the obvious
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economists solution to this problem
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where there is supply and demand
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imbalance as long as I thought it would
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be but I thought I thought it was worth
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talking about it did you do a talk show
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already this week we talked about WC
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yeah we talked about a little bit and
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you know John indicated that he got his
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ticket and didn't really have much of a
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solution himself or was clearly it very
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clearly a problem
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yeah and I don't know how big of a
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problem it is or if it's just because
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we're close to the event but the fact
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that the people even the people who got
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tickets think it's a problem I think
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indicates that it really is and our
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Apple probably agrees this is another
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thing we'll be able to talk to them
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about WABC whoever's in charge this that
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thing is talked to the head of developer
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relations guy and if they go yeah we
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know it's a problem and they'll probably
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discuss it with you or they'll say what
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are you talking about what problem seems
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fine to me and then you will have
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learned something that you wouldn't have
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learned otherwise
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you know when WWDC was started you know
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Apple was not in the position that it's
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in today right now and you you have to
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think back to the way that it was it is
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that I don't I don't know when what year
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it actually was the first year that had
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sold out but there were plenty of years
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before I ever went where it didn't sell
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it or where it was you know just
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something that only only the most
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interested dedicated Apple developers
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would even consider going to something
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like this you know people who were
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already making a living from building a
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Mac application that these were the only
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people who would even consider going to
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something like that and they would go
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and it was great and it was small it was
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personal and then even even before iOS
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happened even before there was an iPhone
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it started to get much more popular and
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now it's become something that's clearly
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unwieldy I wonder if they would have
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even created WWDC in the first place if
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they were such a large company I would
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have been something completely different
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that they would have made I think one
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smart thing they have done is not in the
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past few years reacted in the
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straightforward manner of so there's
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more demand for our conference let's
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sell more tickets and buy a bigger venue
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is that's what South by Southwest and
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III both yeah right it was just money
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money money so at the very least Apple
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has shown at least the wisdom to say I
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think they probably have increased
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attendance a lot since the thing started
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but they haven't gone well let's just
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turn that knob up until you know what I
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mean isn't there's not a 20,000 person
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wacc and I think they could sell 20,000
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tickets so they wanted to they
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just need a much bigger venue but they
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haven't done that to to apples credit so
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in typical Apple Manor the default
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action is no action and no communication
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until they figure out what they're going
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to do they don't scramble they don't do
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the obvious thing that they think
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everyone should do or just make the
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conference bigger and you know put it in
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a Superdome or something I don't so I'm
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not sure what's what's happening there
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but we all have we all have our eye on
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and it's interesting that we have our
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eye on it more now than we did last year
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because last year was like what they
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sold out in two days or something but it
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just maybe there were fewer people who
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wanted tickets who didn't get them or
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that was the impression but once it gets
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down to a couple of hours I guess we've
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crossed the threshold of of anger and
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resentment in the community that now now
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we're all talking about this so here's
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something that I want to mention that it
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it's obvious but it's something that's
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worth mentioning and that is Apple does
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not Apple probably loses money or at
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least they lose productivity so in that
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sense they're probably losing money on
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WWDC this is not a money-making that
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this is not even a blip in where they
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make their money from the unlike South
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by Southwest which is the conference it
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exists to do the conference that is you
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know it is a conference pax is a
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conference so those things need to make
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money Apple doesn't care about making
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money from this and they could charge
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anything or they could charge nothing
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for these tickets it's not going to cost
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them very much yes it costs a lot of
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money and for most companies they
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couldn't conceive of doing something
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like this the way that Apple could but
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with with the numbers that just came out
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this week that they made last quarter
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this isn't this isn't this is nothing
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you know that this is really not even a
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tiny little blip on their chart it's not
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about the money for them it's almost
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like the price of admission is solely
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there as a deterrent because you're
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right that like they don't care about
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the money and I don't you know I
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wouldn't be surprised they do make money
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on the conference first of all but I
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don't think that's why they charge the
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price I do I think they charge the price
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they do to give some kind of control
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yeah you know serious applicants only
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kind of thing and by the way Zaki
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Zack yahoo in the chatroom says last
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year sold out in 12 hours not in two
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but apparently 12 hours wasn't the
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threshold I remember last year hearing
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that crankiness about international
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people who like hey I was asleep in
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Australia and I missed it so that makes
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sense with the 12-hour thing but it
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wasn't the same as you know two hours is
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it different order of magnitude I guess
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but but yeah it's not and not only is it
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not money-making it's different than
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conferences like certainly different
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than PACs and III and probably also
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doesn't different than then South by
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Southwest and that those conferences not
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only exist to make money but they're put
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on by a conference organiser and then
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people pay the conference organiser to
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show at the conference you know game
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makers want to have a big booth and they
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pay lots of money to put their booths on
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the show floor and everything that's how
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they make money because it's organized
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by somebody and then people come and
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participate to get access to the
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attendees but there's no dynamic like
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that at all at Apple Apple's not selling
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floor space to the third-party vendor I
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think they have done that in the past
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like that's not their money-making
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scheme it's an Apple conference put on
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by Apple for you the developer it's a
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direct relationship between there's no
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third party conference organiser entity
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if there is Apple's hiding it behind the
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scenes who's trying to make money off of
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this it is Apple and you Apple talks to
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you you talk to Apple and they're you
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know it's not a clearinghouse for third
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parties to give money to get access to
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all the developers who were there and
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that makes it very different then I
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think it's even different like I've
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never been to Java one or anything like
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that but that strikes me something where
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vendors would want to display and you
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know it's not just a Google i/o is
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closer because I think it's mostly
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Google talking to to people about Google
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stuff so it is a kind of a weird thing
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it's almost like like a seminar like
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it's part as a paid developer you get
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special training that you're allowed you
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know what I mean it's like it's a direct
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part of your developer membership that
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you just pay extra for and now you get
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this extra stuff rather than going to a
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show to see lots of stuff you know and
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then of course as Gruber point up is I
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think I did hear as part of the show you
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know there's also the keynote which is a
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separate thing for the press it's not
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really part WABC but it's like the last
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vestige of the old way that Apple used
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to do things where they would have
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keynotes at big events to announce
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mmm-hmm all right so that we had move on
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for W see if I want to have a chance to
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even getting through my follow up this
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episode all right let's do our first
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sponsor then if you will allow it go for
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its source bits software design and
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development services for iPhone mobile
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Mac in the web course iPad that's it I
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mean you know what I could stop right
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there say go to source bits calm that's
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enough because that's what they do this
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is design what they call design lead
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engineering this is this is what they're
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all about you work with these guys their
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entire process the books are open you
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say I have an idea for this amazing
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application doesn't matter what it is
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it's an iPad app great they can build
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that ties into a web back-end they'll
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build that you want an android client
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later on they'll build that too they've
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done it they know how to do this stuff
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the designers drive the entire
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development process then I'm just there
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to you know make some kind of concept
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and melt it into the background their
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designers their present from
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conceptualization through every stage of
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development and QA they're plugged in
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they're available to you they work with
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you to take whatever that idea is that
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you have and they make it happen they've
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got amazing talent in there and don't
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take my word for it go to source bits
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comm and check it out if you have an
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idea for an app look at their portfolio
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look at the services they offer look at
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the talent they have on board
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that's all that's it I mean did by now
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if you if you haven't gone to source
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become I did I don't know what to say
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I'm upset let's just go to the next
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let's just go to the next topic what you
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have things I see you through and show
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notes link for the fridge toaster yes is
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that is that permissible
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yeah I'm behind on my listening to Apple
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earnings call so I haven't actually
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listened to the call yet but this was
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Tim Cook in the Apple quarterly earnings
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call in which they told everyone that
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they made all the money in the world
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again someone I some some person asked
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one of those inane analyst questions
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that involved what was the it was the
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question about like combining the iPad
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and a laptop I don't know one of those
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one of those things like what do you
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think of this Tim
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you know so and he and his response was
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about the the wisdom of combining unlike
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things so he has the quote in the
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article you can converge a toaster in a
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refrigerator but those things are
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probably not going to be pleasing to the
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user right so I can't say much more
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about the content of the statement
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because I haven't listened to the thing
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yet but I believe the reason you put the
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link in the story and I think was the
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New York Times link is because the
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picture they chose for the toaster in
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this story it's in the New York Times
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bits blog is the model up from the
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toaster that I have it looks the same
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except there's a double button on the
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front this is the model with convection
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right and many people were wondering why
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of all the toasters that could have put
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a picture of they put that one in there
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are they five by five fans or the fans
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of this house two episode or do they
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just simply Google for the word toaster
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to end up like that or is this the
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default rich person's toaster now I
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don't know I think we had something to
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do with it though you think if that was
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true they would have you know whoever
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wrote it would have Nick Winfield would
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have like sent us a Twitter message or
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done some sort of thing like that I
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don't know but that's it that's it for
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that I thought it was curious too I will
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have probably more to say about what Tim
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Cook had to say if if he really did
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reveal anything interesting in his
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responses but at this point since I'm
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listening to Tim Cook on earnings calls
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for a long time I would be very
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surprised if you let anything slip damn
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it you know he's he was he's much more
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controlled than Steve Jobs was unerring
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his calls it's hard to get him to go off
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on something that he didn't plan to talk
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about and I think I think Tim does this
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thing where not that he has like on you
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know like an ax late-night talk show
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where they have agreed on questions
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beforehand but are they tell he wants
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people think but he knows certain
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questions are going to be asked and he
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leads he wants to say something about a
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particular topic and he will allow it to
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happen organically like I want to make a
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statement about netbooks and I know that
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someone's probably gonna ask me about
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netbooks so rather than in my statements
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or in an answer to an unrelated question
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going off on some screed about netbooks
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I'll just sit back and wait patiently
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for the first guy to ask about netbooks
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and then I'll say what I have to say
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about netbook so it so it looks more
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organic I get the feeling that he does
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that and I was wondering like if no none
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of the analysts asked about netbooks
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would he like offered himself like as
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aside and another answer or something so
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I'll just new this one maybe have more
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to say about it I think you get the gist
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of it from what you've already read I
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mean obviously yeah you should listen to
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it but yeah those are mine cold can be
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boring whether it is reading off numbers
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but you know I fit it in that's why I
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haven't gotten to it yet Carsten Burns
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wrote in among many other people
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pointing me to this Paris pinball
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parking advertisement where is that this
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is an advertisement for some Ford
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parking assist technology that helps you
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parallel park better but the fact that
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they set up in Paris I don't know if
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that's random enough of this you know
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people in Paris will you know will do
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whatever it takes to get into a parking
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space and so they put two cars next to
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each other and put a little sensors on
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their bumpers and put a big scoreboard
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above it so that when people go to try
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to park there every time you tap one of
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the car in front of you and vacuu view
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your score goes up or is it down I
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remember anyway I put a link to the
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YouTube video which again is an ad for
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Ford but it's also funny and it
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reinforces our meme about parking in
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Paris involving hitting other cars so I
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thought it was worth mentioning will
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Haynes who apparently is in Tokyo I
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think he's communicated to us many times
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but I just went to his blog and it's
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like hi I'm will Haines from Tokyo well
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hello will Haines in Tokyo that's cool
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did an awesome post about these iPhone
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screen size stuff that we've been
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discussing in the past few shows it's
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the same type of thing of like let's
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make the screen taller according to that
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rumor and he's doing the thing that
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several I and several of people mention
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of like okay try to keep the phone the
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same size just make the phone bigger and
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make the area above and below the phone
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smaller and he did a really nice 3d
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mock-up of it of just basically taking a
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it's kind of his own design now he's
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taking the current look of the iPhone 4s
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stretch the screen shrunk the area above
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and it kind of fits like he's done the
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exact measurements of saying if this was
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exactly what the rumor said and it was
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you know exactly this height was one of
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the specs on it if it was exactly 1152
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pixels high this is what the screen
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would look like and he for the design he
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decided to try to do a little bit of
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tweaking most it looks like the 4s but
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he made it slightly thinner than the 4s
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is 8.9 six millimeters instead of 9.3
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four millimeters and made it feel even
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thinner by shrinking the antenna band to
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be thinner and then having
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rounded back if you look at the picture
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you might think oh that looks thicker
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but you're thinking that the band is the
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same thickness on the 4s actually the
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band is thinner that's trying to lead to
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like it feels thinner in your hand
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because the edge is tapered so I would
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encourage everyone to take a look at
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this post and read it and you made a
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cool video of the thing flying around
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the stuff of an excellent excellent job
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and when I look at it it doesn't look
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crazy to me it looks I look at it my
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thumb feels a little cramped of like oh
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would I be able to contort myself to get
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down to that slightly smaller home
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button or you know can I still reach all
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the corners with my thumb I guess having
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it in my hand would help me know what
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it's like more but it doesn't look crazy
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it doesn't look like a really long tall
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I find he's kept the height basically
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the same just again just shrunk the area
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and it looks like plenty of room for the
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FaceTime camera plenty of room for the
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speaker that goes in your ear it doesn't
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look crazy the home button will have to
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shrink a little bit or get more oblong
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or something but I was excited to see
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this picture to see what is possible now
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I will say that I think it looks a bit
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too much like the current phone not
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because I think it's bad but because I
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think the next iPhone will not look
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exactly like the iPhone 4s like it what
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the metal band designer on the outside
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and just like the overall look of like
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it looks like a black rounded rectangle
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with a metal band around it I think
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Apple wants to change
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I expect a more radical change within
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reason like details mostly like it's not
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going to be you know triangular shaped
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it still can be around a tall red
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rectangle that they're going to try to
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make us thin as they can but in the
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details I think it will look different
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even if it's just a change in color
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scheme or like the back isn't the same
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color as the front anymore or the whole
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back is silver or the sides are not
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completely vertical slab sides anymore
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and they taper or something like that
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that's what I expect from it but I
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really like this post and I link to in
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the show notes I encourage everyone to
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check it out and speaking of the iPhone
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rumors many people picked up on my hint
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not during the show but but after the
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show many people picked up on my hint
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about it I was saying well what can
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what's the what can you do with the
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iPhone to make room for this screen if
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you have to start squeezing this stuff
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you know making the borders of the
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things thinner Oh is there a way that
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you can like move things to the edges
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and I also said like maybe what if you
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could like for example take the
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microphone or speaker or camera and bury
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it behind the display is that even
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and the Big Apple nerds amongst us one
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of them including my friend Levi Ock
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wrote in to tell me that hey they Apple
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had a patent about putting a camera
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behind a screen I said yes I know I know
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that's what I was referring to that this
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was a long time ago he dug up the story
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for me which was nice I would have had
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to Google for it but apparently in July
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2007 there was a Apple filed a patent
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for a camera behind an LCD display and
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the idea that was that it would capture
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images like in between the Refresh
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events on the display with a whole bunch
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of you know the patent saying that it's
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you know we'll try to make it so that
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the the there's no flickering when when
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the photo was taken or anything like
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that like if it's continuous video will
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try to be good about minimizing the the
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amount of time you need to to take the
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picture between the display and I think
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like I think the ideas that would be
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imperceptible that the screen is
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refreshing 60 times a second and there's
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enough time in between each refresh to
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get an image without light interference
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again just because it's a patent doesn't
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mean this is something that actually
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works you can patent things that have
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that you've never actually built and
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that you're not sure even if the work
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you're just patenting the idea but this
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is why I was thinking of what can you
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berieve and screen pigs of this patent
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and Apple actually had an earlier patent
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I think so every years before that about
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another technique to get a camera behind
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a screen this one involved like sticking
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the camera between the pixel or
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something like that so this is a link to
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Apple Insider story from a while ago
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it's in the show notes everyone can
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check it out and remember when looking
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at any patent story Apple pens all sorts
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of things and patents do not mean that
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they even ever had this working let
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alone that it was they decided it was
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useful I just like to fantasize about
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future technologies like that because it
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sounds cool doesn't it like you just
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look at the screen one of the things
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they promotion in the in the patent
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thing is like you know when you're doing
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video conferencing you want to look at
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them and yeah it's like a look to the
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upper right of your monitor alright it
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doesn't look like you're looking at the
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person now we're like a lazy eye or
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yeah well bit so that the camera is is
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directly in the center of your screen
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you can also put the video window and
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like an you imagine an iPad or something
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in the center of your screen then you
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can look face to face with them so that
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seems like that seems like a compelling
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advantage that if Apple were able to
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pull it off they would say they would
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like that and maybe they would even
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finally face time face to face look
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right into the eyes of your sweetie
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so that that's what I was getting at
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last one but I don't have high hopes for
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a guy uh Alex and dronov wrote in to
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tell me that Tom lemon Sally who was the
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guy who's one of whose books referred to
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the talking to the bear phenomenon of
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having talking talking out your problems
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to it and I'm an object to get the
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rhythm he was apparently a guest on the
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Stack Overflow podcast and I listened to
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every single episode of the stack over
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Molly's did way back then I think I
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basically went off but once Jeff Atwood
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left it's not just not the same without
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him but I must have heard that episode
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so there's yet another possible case
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we're talking to the bear has entered my
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subconscious and that's that's where it
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came out of so I'm glad to know that
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there are good explanations you know
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even if I can't remember reading that
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system in book maybe I just heard the
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podcast episode maybe that was it I'm an
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old man it's hard to remember yeah and
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that's it for my follow-up except for
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follow up on the gaming show last week
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but that's almost kind of like a topic
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so we have three sponsors a speaker two
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- all right so I can keep going keep
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okay gaming first I guess this one final
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little piece of fall that's tangentially
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related to gaming I should have
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protected this guy's name before I
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pussy Aldo oh sorry about that David
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tweeted me a link to a video from freaks
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and geeks they show one more show that
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was cancelled way before its time
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I enjoyed that show when I was on the
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air and this episode is about this
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section of the episode of the Dungeons &
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Dragons and it's YouTube video probably
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illegal I don't know if it counts as
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fair use but it's a pretty long segment
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there that shows a bunch of nerdy kids
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talking about D&D and the cool kid
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character but kind of you know
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too-cool-for-school character right in
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in the show is in the scene with them
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and and they one of the people invites
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him to play D&D and he's like you know
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D&D it's kind of it's not for the Nerds
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or whatever and so he goes and plays the
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indie with them and he enjoys it because
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the indie is awesome
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and at the end of the thing the Nerds
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are kind of conferred with each other
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about this idea that like once what's
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going on here like it are we turning him
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into a nerd or are are is he turning us
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into cool guys I don't know like would
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that that dynamic the person sent this
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to me because the same kind of thing I
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was talking about with gaming where
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gaming with the exclusive refuge the
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Nerds way back when and then and then
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they field opened up and that's kind of
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good and you felt like well more people
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are enjoying games then you're like yeah
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if it wasn't this hours and is it
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getting taken over by cool people or is
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the reverse we're making everybody into
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nerds and sort of that discomfort with
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your clique or your little section of
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people thought you had a hobby all to
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yourself and expanding out so from
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mostly I encourage people to watch abuse
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freaks and geeks is an awesome show and
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hopefully from looking at that little
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segment you will be motivated to go
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watch it on Netflix or get an iTunes
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card even know where or how it's
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available but I highly encourage
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checking out so that was the appetizer
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for my my revisit of the topic of gaming
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and gaming culture and the dilution of
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gaming culture and all the stuff that I
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talked about last time as is often the
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case with something that I talk about on
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the podcast that I haven't previously
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written about because writing kind of
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makes you sort of sort through your
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ideas and figure out what you really
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think whereas talking as Merlin
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frequently says it's like the first
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draft of his ideas he kind of talked it
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out and you're trying to learn while
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you're talking you know the act of doing
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it helps you come to some sort of
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conclusion discard ideas or whatever and
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I think last show definitely did that
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because I spend a lot of time trying to
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look at this issue of gaming and the
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hardcore gamers versus the casual gamers
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and how that's evolved over time as the
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market expanded I looked at it from all
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sorts of different angles and use lots
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of analogies trying to illuminate the
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various aspects of my points and some of
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the analogies for like movie watching
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wine-tasting sports things where time
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investment can lead to greater enjoyment
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you know seeing more movies helps you
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appreciate new movies more tasting lots
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of wines helps you sort of understand
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the different aspects of wine watching a
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lot of a particular sport can help you
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appreciate the game more these were all
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examples of like gaming things where
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time investment leads to greater
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and I think people mostly accept that
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idea that investing time leads to
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experience and knowledge in whatever
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you're investing in which leads to
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greater enjoyment of whatever that thing
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is ah but the problem with analogies is
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well my problem as the person offering
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them and the problem of listeners who
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hear them is that when you're offering
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analogies it's if you're not careful to
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highlight which aspect that you think is
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applicable to the thing you're you're
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you know you're saying this is analogous
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to that people may think that you're
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trying to say the entire thing is
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analogous and that's my fault for
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miscommunicating and on the on the flip
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side there are people who believe that
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analogies are useless unless the two
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things are analogous in every possible
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way and they will say well that analogy
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makes no sense because this is different
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than that in aspects X Y & Z and to
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those people I say analogies don't have
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to match up in every possible way
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because then it would just be identity
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and that wouldn't make any sense so
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there is a balance to be struck there so
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I don't know if my analogies were apt or
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not but the in hindsight after the
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episode was over and looking at the
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feedback my crucial mistake in trying to
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think about and talk about it at this
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topic is that only one of the things
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that I was making an analogy with and I
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think it might have been the first thing
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but only one of the things that I was
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making analogy with is directly is
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directly applicable to the idea of games
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and that's movies because the key point
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is that games I was saying were a you
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know strange form of art and that
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they're different than other forms of
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art and ago I would say that sports and
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wine-tasting are not forms of art people
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can argue with me and about that or
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whatever but I firmly believe the games
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are a form of art and typicals argue
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about that but that was my key point
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there it's a it's an art form where time
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investment is not sufficient for full
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appreciation it doesn't mean that you
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know you you do get more enjoyment out
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of it if you invest time you do get
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knowledge and experience but that that's
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necessary but not sufficient for full
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enjoyment and I thought that was weird
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because I have trouble thinking of any
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other art form that's like that
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certainly sports qualifies that
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wine-tasting all that other hobbies and
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skills and activities also require
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skills and many people pointed that out
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Nemo and it was clear that I was not
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focusing this enough and if I had
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written it I think I would have read it
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is it it's the fact that I'm considering
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games in art form and like can you think
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of another art form that requires skill
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to get full appreciation of it not just
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knowledge and you know you could say
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well knowledge is a skill and being
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smarts the skill and not just time
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investment in an experience but mostly
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when I'm talking about skill I'm talking
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about things that are not natural for
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the vast majority of the population to
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do things that have to be learned and a
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lot of it is physical things but you
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know that if you take a cross-section of
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the entire population and say who would
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find it easy to pick up the skills to do
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this thing even if there isn't art that
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require skills and a lot of arts don't
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require skills that you know physical
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skills @kj alien conferences dancing it
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that's a good example because dancing is
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an art form and it does require a
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certain minimum amount of skills to get
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the full enjoyment out of and just and
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like gaming I would say you don't have
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to be an expert dancer to get not every
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ounce of the enjoyment like super expert
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dancers are getting like a slightly more
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enjoyment in you are or maybe not
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depending on if it becomes like work for
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them and not and not a hobby but you can
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get mostly German I would say dancing
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the history of dancing across all of
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humanity shows that most human beings
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have at least the minimum skill set to
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get most of the enjoyment that you're
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supposed to get out of dancing from
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dancing because dancing has been around
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for a really long time all right but I
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was I was saying that video games are
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possibly not unique but novel at least
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in that the forms of art especially
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since the forms are out there often
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compared to like you know writing novels
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fiction and movies and stuff require so
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little uncommon skill you just need to
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be literate and intelligent like it's
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not it the the larger portion of the
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population has these skills and so
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gaming is weird because it's an art form
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that requires skills that do not appear
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to be common in the general population
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and my evidence for this is the small
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number of people who play and enjoy
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games that require these skills
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basically if you make your game require
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the skills that like the first crop of
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nerdy gamers had that game is not going
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to be popular and no matter how much
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gaming spreads like oh gaming is
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everywhere now we're
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it's revealing that certain skills that
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you know the original gamers or the
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longtime gamers have those skills just
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aren't common in the general population
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and if you make a game that requires
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them you can't sell to lots of people
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somebody I talked about last time the
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way game makers address this by making
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games that don't require those skills to
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get them out to more of an audience it's
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as if the very best dances required
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skills that so few people could do it
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was like a fraction of a fraction of the
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percentage of the entire world could do
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the special dance and this dance was
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particularly enjoyable and people who
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are really serious about dancing say
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well you know if you you know you're
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playing you're doing casual dance but
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you can't do a super complex the way
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dancing is dancers can correct me but I
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think a circuit say that if you
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beautifully execute a simple dance like
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a waltz that's perfectly valid and a
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full expression of the form whereas
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gamers or at least me would say that
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some of the very best things the gaming
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has to offer are not accessible to the
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general public who who don't have these
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particular skills even if they're
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willing to put in the time to get the
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experience and the knowledge and you
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know that the the other aspects that
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they can get if they're held out by
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their lack of physical coordination you
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know from having this experience we
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would say you're not getting everything
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the gaming has to offer you're you're
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intentionally put into like kiddie
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gaming where yes it's enjoyable and you
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get lots of the same things but it's not
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it's not the best of the best and that's
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what I thought was very novel about that
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and I had many changes about sports
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where you know there are other hobbies
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they require skill to fully appreciate
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but again I'm not putting them into a
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form of art someone can argue with that
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but like there are examples but get even
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getting beyond the art thing there are
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sports that you can enjoy unless you
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have skills that are not coming the
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general population again I don't think
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this is analogous because I don't
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consider sports a form of art I don't
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think it's weird that sports require
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skills because so many of them do
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require skills but the same continuum
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exists in sports where there are sports
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that require skills that the majority of
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the general population of healthy adults
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have to an adequate degree to play the
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sports you know like playing catch
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that's not that that's a sport but you
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can do that and the skills of baseball
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for the most part like even if you can't
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hit you can kind of catch and you know
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like you can get by but there are sports
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like surfing where that the minimum
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threshold to be successful in any way to
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be able to serve to the point where
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people look at you and say that guy is
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surfing the amount of the population
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that can do that is much lower than the
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amount of pop the population that can
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play a pickup game of baseball or you
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know touch football or basketball or any
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of the other sports that are more
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accessible so and again these this is
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not directly analogous because sports
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are not a form of art but it just a lot
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of people wrote in about sports as and
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examples in it maybe think that they
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sports have a similar continuum where
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the prevalence of the required skills in
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the general population defines the
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popularity of these things for
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participation spectating is is very
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different spectating is an entirely
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different thing and I would not call
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spectating sports a form of art either
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so it's also not analogous but I'm
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talking about doing the sport yourself
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how many people surf versus how many
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people play basketball down at their gym
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and I guess a lot of that is to do with
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you know proximity to waves and water
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but you know any sport you want to pick
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gymnastics or something like there are
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certain sports that require skills that
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are not common so I think gaming is
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weird because it's a form of art that
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requires skills that are not common and
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I say that to fully appreciate gaming
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you can't just stick to the games that
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the vast majority of like I think people
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who have the have the skills and maybe
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they just develop the skills but it's
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it's a some it's a barrier to entry if
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they have the skills to play the the
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what we consider the very best of the
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best games we're getting an experience
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that other people are not and it's weird
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that those experiences are closed off
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because of skills and the the phrase I
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kept repeating in the previous show was
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that it's not a value judgment what I
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was trying to say with that was that it
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doesn't make us better people or you
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know it's not it's not a we're better
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than you because we can do this thing
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it's mostly I'm coming at it from a
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reverse perspective where is
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disappointing that something you enjoy
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like you can't share that enjoyment with
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other people and that's why I was
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talking about the frustration of trying
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to get my wife to play games that I
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really enjoy or you know things that I
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my parents might like because like the
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experiences we're having our excess you
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know where it's the same feelings anyone
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has it you know excitement do you want
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to share a gonna share it with somebody
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appreciate it seems that you want to
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share things that you enjoy and the
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inability to share them is making me
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think about what's what's different
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about gaming but it seems like
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everyone's doing gaming and yet I can't
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I can't share these experiences that I'm
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having except with the same like nerdy
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gamer people who have always been
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sharing these things but isn't gaming
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popular now why you know and is it just
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because are we hit are they having
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exactly as much fun with Angry Birds as
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we're having with us I don't think they
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I don't think Angry Birds is invoking
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the same kind of emotions that and
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experiences to the level that the game
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kind of games I'm playing are so it's
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not a we're better than you and we're
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the gamers and you're the non-gamers
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that's totally not what about so I'm
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saying it's not a value judgment there's
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nothing you know it it is what it is I'm
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just trying to so it's called the way I
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see it certain skills have a lower
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prevalence in the general population and
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you know I'm sure this is exactly true
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of many other things that I'm missing a
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ton because I don't have the skills
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dancing would be one of those for
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example but it for me as a gamer it may
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be think about the other thing I think
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about and this is that gaming in general
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is that my parents were very anti video
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game as many parents of my generate uh
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generation were why were the anti video
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game it's hard to really explain was
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just kind of like scary about the new
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thing it's kind of like rock-and-roll
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the kids with their music and their
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video games but they were very anti
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gaming and didn't allow me to have game
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consoles in the house so of course I
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bought every Mac game known to man which
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they apparently found was okay because
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computers are educational anyway parent
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like parents make no sense ah but then
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when I went onto my adult life of course
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I you know bought game consoles and play
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games or whatever in and as I was
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changing from teenager into adult my
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parents would frequently ask you what
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are you gonna stop playing these video
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games when you're gonna grow out of this
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like because video games came along when
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we were kids it was seen as a kid
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activity that rots your brain and
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there's nothing useful about it and they
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didn't believe when I tell them oh I'm
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learning excellent you know whatever
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they can't begin mints but they're
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always ask me one even now they say a
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Houston playing video games
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despite the fact that they will play
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casual games and stuff like that I see a
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distinction you know they're they're
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doing their crossword puzzle on their
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iPad that's not gaming right and you
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know even though I have gotten them to
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try to play some other games getting
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some German they still see it as an
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activity that we should grow out of and
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I always tried to give the analogy of
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like well when did grandma and grandpa
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stop playing pinochle like do they stop
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playing that when they you know they
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play that their whole life they learned
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it when they were kids and they played
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it basically till the day they died and
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no one ever asked them why don't you
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know stop playing pinochle isn't that a
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kids game they'd meet with all their
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retired friends and play that like every
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week and no one no one gave them a hard
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time about it you know or swims and
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chatrooms is our bridge or any needs
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other things like certain games you know
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because they were involved cards or
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whatever they were grandfathered in
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right but video games that's something
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different right and I would always try
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to give that and then I'll do bounced
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off they didn't accept it but this
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another thing that made me think about
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well so what's different about gaming
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why do they not accept that analogy
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because they mean it seems
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straightforward and I think one of the
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reasons they don't accept it is because
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the things they see me doing are things
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that they've tried to do and have not
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been able to do and just it's
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inaccessible to them whereas they can
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play Pinochle a bridge if they learn the
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rules maybe they're just not into it but
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it's not it's not like this this thing
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that's this other right it's still seen
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it's this other thing that the kids do
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that I'm not a part of and can't be a
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part of and don't want to be a part of
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and don't don't understand what it is
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that they're getting out of it and I
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don't think my parents do understand
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what I get out of gaming because they've
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never shared that experience even from
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watching your level of enjoyment there
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that's they don't they don't I think
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it's different I think gaming really is
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a weird form of art because it's
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partially participatory and that and
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that your enjoyment is based on that
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participation that's also what makes it
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great is that you are making part of the
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experience your cell phone because what
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gives you the tie to the experience
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because you made it happen it didn't it
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wasn't just it you didn't just read the
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book and watch the movie it didn't just
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unfold before you you know it's the
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cooperation between you and you know
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it's the two-way communication across
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time between you and the creator of this
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game creating the experience that's
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unique to you that you have an
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investment in and I don't know if you
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can explain that to somebody if they
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have an experience that I think a lot of
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gamers can't even articulate it I have
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Delanie but I certainly know lots of
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other game is like they know they like
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games and they play them obsessively and
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sometimes they complain about them
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constantly all this in the one podcast
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where all they ever do is complain about
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how horrible games are and yet they play
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like every single any time a new games
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out that comes out they buy it they try
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it and I say it's horrible like they're
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they're chasing that high they want that
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experience I don't know if most gamers
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can articulate what it is they get out
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of gaming but they know it's something
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right and that's why I think it's so
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difficult for non-gamers quote-unquote
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using my definition of the harder things
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to to understand what's going on there
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even if you explain it to them because
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they have an experience in themselves
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and maybe they maybe they just never
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will until they'll just keep asking when
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are you going to stop playing those
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games because it doesn't make sense to
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them another example from the chat room
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saying a BASE jumping or proximity
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flying those things where they jump have
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you seen those videos but the wingsuit
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is look like your flying squirrel yeah
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those are real apparently yeah real and
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they kill people maybe that's that's an
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extreme example where I think in those
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cases where there's danger involved
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people are comfortable with the notion
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that the thrill of doing that like just
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thrill of watching that is pretty high
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and you can imagine man the thrill of
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doing that I'm never going to experience
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that because I do not have those skills
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but people are okay with that busy like
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on the other hand my chances of dying
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are probably decreased over the people
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who jump off cliffs with those things
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and skim near that hundreds of miles an
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hour yeah so and that's that's another
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thing that people are ok with because
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they almost well I'm maybe this because
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they have a rationale but they're like
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well that's dangerous you know I'm never
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going to be able to experience that but
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that's dangerous and what portion of the
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population have have the skills and in
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Tesla for that's a small one but that's
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that's a dangerous thing Gaming is not
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dangerous you're sitting on a couch so I
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guess you have to come with another
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reason why you're not going to
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experience that and you just say it's
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it's not that interesting or I don't
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understand what they get out or they
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just stop playing or it's silly or they
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should just you know I'm getting
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everything they're getting because I get
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to play Angry Birds I don't know if I
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helped help to hurt my cause and that
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topic but to reiterate I what I should
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have focused more on in a previous thing
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is that gaming seem like a weird form of
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art to me because they have this
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participatory skill element that
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excludes people from what I believe to
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be the very best
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to offer and very few other forms of art
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are like that I thought that that
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insight was helping me when I was
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thinking about it it was illuminating
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the whole frustration I feel about
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trying to share this thing I love with
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other people who in ways that I think
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they could enjoy not just like you have
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to enjoy everything that I draw but like
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gaming is his vast field in this
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really enjoy because like I often think
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like if this was a movie you would love
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whatever like portal you know my my wife
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see her not be able to get everything
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out of the game and spend lots of time
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I also talked about these last show but
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it's worth talking about more many
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people because many people wrote in
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about this too and they would point out
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that in various games including portal
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they have something where you start the
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game where they try to teach you how to
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play the game within the game world
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using some sort of device layer and halo
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like okay check check your you know
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charge up your she's green and you look
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to the left then care I shooting these
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targets to make sure of as you're being
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you know restored from cryogenic sleep
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or whatever in the original Halo a test
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your weapon try this target and that
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tired they're teaching you to play the
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game and they're trying to ease that
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ramp they're not going to dump you in
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and say okay you know how to
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first-person shooter works just go
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and although many people do they put
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these tutorial training or you know some
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other part of the game with some sort of
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framing device to basically teach you
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the skills you're going to need to play
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this game successfully before bringing
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you into it and that's just trying to
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broaden the base for the game because
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that I believe the game makers want I
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mean the the cynical one is like oh they
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want to make the most money so you want
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the most people to be able to buy the
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game but I believe the game makers want
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the most number of people to enjoy this
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great game they've made they want them
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more people to get the experience so
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they have these tutorial levels to the
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there and that the
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there and that the
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you know the common stereotype now is
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that that the annoying tutorial levels
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bother the gamers like yeah right you
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have to tell me every single thing in
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the game I think I mentioned this in
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last show were this little bubbles
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popping out at you like this is a health
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pack run it over to increase your health
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when your health goes to zero you're you
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know all and the gamers alike
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feel that that is unnecessary and
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condescending and it bothers them and
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the best games like the gamers
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appreciate the games that seamlessly
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integrated into the story so it doesn't
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it seems less like a tutorial level and
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it can actually even be kind of fun even
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though they already know all the things
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you're being taught and maybe they can
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use that as the time to figure out what
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key bindings I want to use for this
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particular game but I think that goat
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goes not very far in making gaming
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accessible because I've seen this happen
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many times where I've tried to get
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someone to play a game where the
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tutorial level really does hold their
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hand and teach them about the game but
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then when you get dumped into the game
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especially the game have like
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adversarial entities that are coming to
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get you and you have to you know going
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from I've successfully completed
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tutorial I know it'll look up look down
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shoot things or whatever - now whole
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bunch enemies are going at me and I'm
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jumping from platform to platform and
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flipping around in midair and shoot you
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know this is first-person shooter but
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any type of thing where the there's
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quite a cliff from the tutorial level to
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the game because a lot of games for the
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game proper there's no two ways around
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it you're just this you know you're
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going to have to have skills Elda games
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are a great example this Bozell does
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that usually have a very gentle
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introduction and a really really smooth
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scale the first dungeon is really simple
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and the enemies are not very difficult
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there's lots of health items like it's
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you know these games like 70 Plus hour
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games to complete you know by someone
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who's an experienced gamer lots of time
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for them to ramp that I feel like is
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it's good to have that smooth ramp but
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it's almost cruel because you know if
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you've played a Zelda game at a certain
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point midway through or towards the end
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the bosses are going to get hard not not
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like impossibly hard for gamers but
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impossibly hard for a lot of people who
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could successfully navigate the first
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dungeon the second dungeon the third
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dungeon and then how do they feel having
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invested 15 hours in this game and
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having hit a wall where the game isn't
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fun anymore they can't get to the rest
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of the game because they've reached a
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limit of their skills
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I I don't know what that's like I've
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never seen one go someone go through
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that I've seen them bounce off much
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sooner like they can do the first
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dungeon barely and that's it and I get
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the first boss battle my cell this is
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too hard and they don't go through even
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if they try to persevere and they just
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say you know you talk to some people who
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are mostly non gamers who get into games
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for whatever reason and they're like man
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I spent you know six weeks trying to
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beat the first boss in the dungeon or
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whatever and you know the gamer reaction
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you could laugh them all you had trouble
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with that boss it's not hard but that
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you know I feel for these people because
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like there's somebody who has realized
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there's something that these gamers are
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getting that they might want to get in
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on and just tried their hardest and just
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didn't get through it's like the person
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who decides that using sports analogy
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they want to be a surfer and they and
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they just try to surf all summer for
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like five summers in a row and they just
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I just never are able to do it it that's
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kind of said so I don't know what the
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solution is there is a solution to not
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have those tutorials or to have a smooth
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ramp like Zelda or like you know those
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are all ways to try to address this
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issue but although I believe run into
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the fundamental barrier which is that
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the skills that these types of games
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require are just not that common and not
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easy to learn and sometimes not possible
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to learn and so I don't know if they're
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doing a disservice by having smooth ramp
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maybe maybe if you play the first four
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dungeons in Zelda you've gotten your
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money's worth of enjoyment out of that
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that's another thing I don't like I
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should have said that the whole idea
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that there's some money's worth of
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enjoyment out of games that connection
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is not what you always hear that though
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in the game reviews you'll hear people
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saying oh you know I I this game took
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and I'm always kind of shocked by the
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what seems to these expert because I'm
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by no means an expert player of any game
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and these games take me way longer to
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get through then the I guess the people
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who are playing these games like every
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day like they have games you know that
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they just blaze through but you always
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hear that complain only took me 2 hours
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and 47 minutes to complete this game I
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was expecting more for my money you hear
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that all the time yeah that that
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relationship between the amount of money
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you paid and how I and some other thing
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that you can measure to say whether I
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got my money's worth out of this thing
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that's always a weird art of
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act of the way the game is business
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worked and the average length of games
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and how much money it cost to produce a
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game is this conglomeration of events
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leads to people who are not very
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thoughtful deciding that X number of
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dollars equals X number of time to
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complete the game by by an expert gamer
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and what Y time is you know like that's
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I guess that's all they have to go by
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how many hours did it take you to
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complete how much money did you pay I
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will divide those numbers and tell you
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you know a ratio and this ratio was
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unsatisfying makes no sense to me
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whatsoever because like it doesn't
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happen in you know in in other media
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I guess maybe because it like for
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example movies originally around two
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hours but no one comes out of a
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90-minute movie that was awesome and
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says well the movie was awesome but for
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the amount of money I bought that ticket
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I really think it should have been a
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full two hours if it's an awesome
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90-minute movie it's an awesome
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90-minute movie right and the same token
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if it's a three hour movie that sucks
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you're like oh my god it was a three
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hour movie I could not think that it was
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horrible like it has to be it has to be
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a limit to that there has to be like if
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a game only takes an average player an
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hour to finish that there's probably a
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lot of people who would be disappointed
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even if it was an amazing hour right it
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depends on how amazing an hour is again
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I'll point to journey journey journey as
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a game took me two hours to complete and
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yeah it only cost $15 I would have
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gladly paid way more than that because
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there are so many games that I can buy
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for 50 or 60 dollars that will take me
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10 20 hours to complete that I would not
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enjoy you know one thousandth as much as
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I enjoyed journey and that's what the
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measurement I get out of it is like it
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these things do cost a certain amount of
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money and you're spending your your
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entertainment budget on this thing and
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my view is if I spent that same amount
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of money on some other activity would I
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would I have gotten more enjoyment out
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of it and that other activity isn't
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necessarily buying another game that's
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the one they always do it's like well I
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spent $60 on this and it was only four
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hours long and so I'm mad it's like okay
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so if you had spent at $60 aren't
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different in the game would you have
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gotten more enjoyment out of that 20
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hour game then you go to the out of this
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program maybe you would have maybe it's
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just because it's not a good game but
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does it have anything to do with the
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length particularly I don't think it
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does I've never made that connection if
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anything you know
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as you get older it contends to be the
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reverse where you're like am I going to
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put in 70 hours into a 70 hour game like
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Zelda am I going to really get 70 hours
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worth of enjoyment out of that and many
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people decide that no I can't put like
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in a moment for my thing it's like mmo's
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I think I might enjoy mmo's but I mean a
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I've got the the RSI issue which a
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couple readers brought up where there's
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like a physical limit and then B the
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amount of time investment than an MMO
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takes to really get the best out of it
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if you just don't have that kind of time
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that would not be a wise investment of
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your sixty dollars you'd be better off
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buying a four hour game for $60 because
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you wouldn't enjoy that MMO because of
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the amount of time you have to put in a
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need to be like Oh stealing time from
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your other activities that you could be
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doing other things that you'll be
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sleeping you know neglecting family
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obligations or if you just simply don't
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have time in your schedule you paid $60
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for what for more stress and aggravation
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in your life and never getting to the
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real enjoyment so I this is not I think
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that the enlightened more enlightened
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game reviewers know this is ridiculous
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but even they have to catch themselves
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for like you know judging games based on
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well this game wasn't great but it's
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only $15 game and well this game was $60
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and I really enjoyed every second of it
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but it was only ten hours long or nine
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hours long and really they should be 12
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or 15 why because like the average
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length of a $60 game in the year 2000
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and X is 12 hours long some of the time
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points out that the other thing is like
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you know not everyone completes games I
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would love to know the percentage of
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people who complete games maybe you'll
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buy a game and just play it a little bit
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and get what they think is it a reason
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about a drum and a doorstop or they get
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frustrated because they stop or you know
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whatever reason but game reviewers in
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general still feel that they need to
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complete a game and I think that is a
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reasonable thing to say and so they're
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the ones who are saying they're the ones
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who are playing the games to completion
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so they can tell you about how the game
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ends or whatever or give some sort of
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judgment on the ending of the game and
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they're the ones constantly knowing okay
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well this game took this many hours to
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complete and you know and the average
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changes over time I don't know what the
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average length of games was 1020 years
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ago but I guarantee it's different than
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what it is now again let's do with
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budgets and how much money it takes to
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make one hour with the game play I know
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high-definition 3d game versus how much
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it did to make the same amount of time
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on you know an NES or something this is
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quite an aside but
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maybe I maybe I'll save this for a
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separate thing the state of game
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criticism there are probably much better
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people to talk about this than I have
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that I you know because I'm not a
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professional game reviewer but I've got
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an opinion alright so I did have it I
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did have another topic rattling around
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in here yeah we could probably do it
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quickly I was debating not doing any
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notes for this topic but because it's a
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visual based one I said what if I just
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didn't write anything whatever just you
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know wing it on the show you know kind
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of the way you encourage Merlin to or
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you think if the shows are better if you
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don't notes but you know predictably I
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wrote a bunch of notes
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well maybe I'll maybe I'll try not to
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look at them so this topic is the new
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gmail user interface you don't do not
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use the Gmail web interface never never
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never never never I think it's awful III
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mean I have used it in absolute
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emergency situations you have a gmail
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account then right
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I have several gmail accounts which I
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never never really used their sort of
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things from the days before I had better
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ways to deal with junk mail vestige
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vestige ill things from a bygone era
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what do you use your email hosting then
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unfortunately I use Google Apps but I'm
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in the process of switching away from it
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but I never use the Gmail provided style
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interface for that I just use IMAP and I
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use mail app for my email client and I
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also use mail app on the on the iPhone
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for that as well but I'm in the process
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of moving away from that because I don't
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I don't want to use any Google services
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anymore this is something that comes up
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people ask me about a lot it both in
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real life and over email and stuff what
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what should I do about email it's mostly
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nerds asking that because regular people
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just use whatever that email address
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they got 10 years ago and never changed
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it right and my answer is not to do what
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I do it's to do what I wanted to do my
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answer if you are a nerd and you want to
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solve your email problems from for all
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my current advice that and spend this
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way for a long time is to buy yourself a
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domain name that you're happy with
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having as your email address forever
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just the domain name not you know
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hosting or an email right
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and then forward that email address at
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that domain name to a series of
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different backends so you would forward
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that email to Gmail and Google out of
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business or starts being evil sending
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you forwarded to some other video email
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provider then you buy you buy some
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hosting free mail and you're forwarding
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the whole idea is to to loosely couple
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your email address from the service you
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used to provide it that way you'd never
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have to tell people oh my email address
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has changed you know I'm moving to a
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different provider or whatever biz your
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email address will always put the rest
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of your life until the domain name
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system crumbles and they take the name
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away from you or whatever be whatever
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your name is at whatever your domain you
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pick calm or GERD or net or whatever
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that's the correct solution to email and
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then all you're left with is okay what
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back in do want to use who gives me the
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the best product for the right amount of
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money with ads without ads IMAP you know
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you can you can shop around change
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providers and it doesn't provide just a
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disruption to your life this is still a
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pretty nerdy solution because regular
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people aren't going to buy nominate
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domains and really we don't need them to
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because every domain is taken already
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anyway we don't need more contention to
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the domains but that is what I would
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have done if I then from be able to find
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the domain name that I found acceptable
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you may you if you are a nerd may also
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have this problem that you are
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SuperDuper picky about what things are
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named and then you may end up deadlock
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like I am frustrated by your inability
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to gather domain names you want and
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never finding one that you like so that
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this the curse of being a obsessive
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compulsive nerd so I'm not doing that
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I'm just using Gmail but I actually do
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use the Gmail web interface partially
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that's because my favorite client-side a
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web interface we used to be Claire his
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email er and then that teams kind of
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moved to Microsoft and made the first
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versions of Entourage for classic Mac OS
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I like those and then maca was tending
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came along and entourage got worse on
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Mac OS 10 and kind of continued to get
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worse and then it was replaced with
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Outlook which is much much worse and so
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my favorite client-side email apps
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basically left me like they're still
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there and I still use them I use them to
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have a client-side copy of every single
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in my email as messages in fact I do
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have multiple clients just to have super
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redundant ultra local backed up backup
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of my email so that if Google goes away
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tomorrow I should only lose like a day's
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worth of locally
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like uh but I use the web interface most
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of the time and I actually like Google's
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web interface first I didn't because it
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was weird and I'd never used it none
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like I'm just going to stick to my
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client-side thing but slowly I came
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around to just basically through sheer
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ubiquity and having things synced up and
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the reason I think I've run out how the
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shows but the main reason I like it is
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all the other email services that I had
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did not have a good representation of
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server-side rules and I get tons of
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email and I have tons of rules to sort
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it into different places and do
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different actions on it and stuff and
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having all those rules centralized
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eliminated this hassle that I always had
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which was when I use the client side app
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duplicating the rules in different
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places or not duplicating them or
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keeping them in sync and stuff like that
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and so I you know it wasn't kind of a
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conscious decision I just kind of
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drifted over to Gmail first I was
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running both of them for a while and
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then I found I was not launching my
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local client and then just now I'm
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completely on Gmail so I'm a heavy user
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of Gmail and yes the chatroom I have
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tried mail plane and sparrow and those
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other things so far none of them have
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pulled me away from the web interface
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now the visit what we're talking about
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this new UI it's basically like a new
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skin like they didn't change the
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application dramatically but it looks
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very different and this new skin for
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Gmail has been in testing for a long
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time I might even be over a year like
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and there is apparently there was you
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could I guess the the days of being able
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to use the old one Arkham you're saying
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are completely gone now so everybody has
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to use this now they're completely gone
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I think it's like so here was the
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sequence it was like hey you're a gmail
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user and we're trying out this new look
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like it's a little pop-up when you
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logged in if you want to try the new
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look click over here and you know being
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president I'm I immediately clicked and
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checked it out and I didn't like it and
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the next phase was you'd log in and
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you'd have the new look and you'd be
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like whoa look you know that you know
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that why do I have this this is that
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thing that I didn't like from before and
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it looks a little bit different but I
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still don't like it and you go to the
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setting menus and you'd see like change
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back to the old book but they always say
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change back to the old book temporarily
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and they would never tell you what
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temporarily meant but it was clear that
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they were saying to you like alright
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we'll give you the option to change back
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to the old interface but this is
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temporary and eventually you're gonna
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have to take it and lo and behold for me
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a couple of weeks ago
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maybe was just last week that option
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disappear I logged in I got the new
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interface went to the settings menu and
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it and the little thing that used to be
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there that says revert to the old book
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temporarily was gone and you know I knew
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this time was coming that's what the
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word temporarily means and so I have to
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just you know bite the bullet and you
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know for awhile I tried to keep the web
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browser that had thee had the old Gmail
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looks still on it not ever closed that
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but then I accidentally I accidentally
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did a Google Chrome update like in one
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morning when I went into work I just
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tweeted about that did you know when you
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did that I have made the little icon
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that said you know update Chrome and
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then as it's every star I'm like no
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they're a bunch of hacks out there to
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try to get the old look back but at this
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point I'm like you know I don't I'm not
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gonna fight it this is the look this is
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what I have to deal with so when I saw
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the original look it was like try out a
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new look check it out the the first
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complaint right off the bat from almost
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everybody who used it who was like a
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hardcore gmail user was did the
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information density had decreased
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drastically the like you know try it
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you're looking all of a sudden your
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screen they used to be able to fit 50
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messages on it now if it's like 20 and
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that's not good if you get a lot of
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email you know they put a lot of white
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space and pet it out or whatever and I
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didn't like that and then they had
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options like say okay well that's the
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new look but you can have a you know the
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the compact version or the comfortable
[TS]
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version or the cozy version all sorts of
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spacing adjustments to try to give you
[TS]
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preferences which to an Apple user it's
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like look if you have to provide 20
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different options for how you I should
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look maybe there's something wrong with
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your UI but on the other hand as a tech
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nerd you're like well thank god these
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options are here because then it's less
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hideous than it was and I remember when
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they first rolled the thing out even the
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tightest setting was still way too wide
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for me so I just said I'm not going to
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look at that for a while
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I'll change back to the old bucket
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hopefully they'll dress that around the
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same time I guess this must have been
[TS]
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maybe was at this but this was 2008 I
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hope I'm around his name right this is
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someone whose blog I read all the time
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and I realized that I've never said his
[TS]
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koi VIN do you know who he is now close
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in the he's quite a well-known designer
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has little Batman as his avatar Adam
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West yes did your cat x work apparently
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very quite quite a smart smart guy
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as a successful iOS app unders uh
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there's belt - yeah he was the I don't
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know what his title was but he was
[TS]
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basically like the web the head web
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designer dude at the New York Times
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which is quite a position and he led
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there they're sort of you know the big
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changes and what their web present was
[TS]
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blenny left to go is do his own thing
[TS]
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but I've been reading his blog at
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subtraction calm for a long time and in
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2008 he had a post that was pleading
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with Google people at gmail like you
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know the Gmail UI like it doesn't have
[TS]
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to be this ugly like he just took the
[TS]
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exact page the way it was laid out and
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said if you just use some basic sensible
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design parameters for line spacing and
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lining things up and you know just just
[TS]
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realign stuff it would look so much
[TS]
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better so I made a link to this post in
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the show notes you should take a look
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he's got a mouse-over thing where if you
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roll your mouse over it shows here's the
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2008 Gmail as it exactly is this and
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then take your mouse out and here's his
[TS]
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revised version and all it is is spacing
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tweaks tiny tiny spacing tweaks but I
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maybe this is a good litmus test to see
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are you kind of like a designer every
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type of nerd but if you look at the two
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and you're like yeah I can't you know
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better or worse are the same they're
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like whatever they're the same thing but
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to me his version is just like ah like a
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breath of fresh air compared to the
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other version it just looks hideous
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right so I think since that time in the
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old Gmail UI Google did adjust their
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spacing and try to make things better
[TS]
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they were always constantly tweaking
[TS]
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their UI so it seems like they took some
[TS]
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of that the heart whether they read it
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or not you know they got better
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designers to to space things out but the
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new look is is a further realignment I
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think he would go I would mostly approve
[TS]
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the new look in terms of line spacing
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and stuff like it's a little bit still
[TS]
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haphazard but it's much more coherent
[TS]
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than the first slapdash version they put
[TS]
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up there that totally look like it was
[TS]
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laid out by programmers and probably was
[TS]
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so now that I'm forced to use this new
[TS]
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look here are my complaints about it
[TS]
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that now I'm forced to just live with so
[TS]
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the information density believe it or
[TS]
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not I don't know if it's identical to
[TS]
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what it was but it's at the point now
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where that's not my primary complaint
[TS]
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about the thing I'm not saying I can't
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see as many messages on the screen
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they've tightened it up a lot and
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whatever the top level choice is when we
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I have mine on compact cozy is the next
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one up and uncomfortable is one spaces
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it up I don't these names terrible
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choices they're very technical highly
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technical names that are not at all open
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to opinion or anything yeah so so that's
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not my main complaint so it's good that
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they address that you know from all the
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complaints about the first version this
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is way too big I would have to see a
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side-by-side comparison with the old one
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to see if it really is exactly the same
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density but it's better ah but the main
[TS]
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complaint I have with it now and also
[TS]
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the complaint I'm seeing from other
[TS]
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people I don't know how to express this
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but visual landmarks are not as
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prominent like the things that your eyes
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grab on to if you can imagine your eyes
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kind of like skittering across the
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surface and looking for things to grab
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on to a lot of the familiar signposts
[TS]
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have been moved and it's worth pointing
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out that any time any a pet or our
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website or anything has a new look
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there's this knee-jerk reaction to
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dislike and then reject it because I'll
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tell it's not like it used to look
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especially it something like Gmail you
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look at all the time and you're
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constantly looking at like looking at
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subject lines looking at messages to the
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finding that button to hit reply like
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just the who moved my cheese things like
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I was different I just don't like it's
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different right so you have to totally
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recognize that that's a thing and
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examine it and say do I dislike it just
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because it's different or are there
[TS]
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actual problems here and there is aspect
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of having moved things but I I feel like
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personally if I after I've used
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something for a week or so
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I'm usually willing to go with it I'm
[TS]
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the type of person who likes the new
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shiny version or something and by the
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way if the new thing is attractive that
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goes a long way that's why Apple gets
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away with a lot of stuff where if they
[TS]
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give you a totally new version of an
[TS]
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application that everything is moved and
[TS]
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you totally can't find stuff anymore but
[TS]
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man looks really nice that goes a long
[TS]
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way to release some among certain class
[TS]
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of nerds to letting you accept these
[TS]
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problems so I don't particularly like
[TS]
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the new look of the new Gmail interface
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ah so that's not helping me there and so
[TS]
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practically speaking the visual landmark
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thing is even after like a week or more
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of use I'm finding it difficult for my
[TS]
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eyes to follow what's going on
[TS]
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so this start with like the message list
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where you've got this a checkbox and a
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little star icon a little important tags
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it's not exactly the same place that
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existed in the other thing they are
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light gray outlines on either a white or
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slightly lighter gray background not a
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lot of contrast and I think that's part
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of the theme of this UI as like lots of
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white space not a lot of hard border
[TS]
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lines they even have a high contrast
[TS]
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theme that tries to crank this up
[TS]
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because they realize as an issue of a
[TS]
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high contrast one is even more ugly
[TS]
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they're trying to not have like lines
[TS]
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around everything but the effect is that
[TS]
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these elements that used to give you an
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anchoring port for each kind of like
[TS]
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message are just that they're so faded
[TS]
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that I can imagine like people might not
[TS]
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even be able to see them like if your
[TS]
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eyesight is not that good the worst one
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for me you should actually you should
[TS]
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pull up the Gmail interface if you
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haven't already so you can look at this
[TS]
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and tell me if I'm crazy just just pull
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up one of your alright and go to the
[TS]
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compact mode this might be difficult to
[TS]
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see you might have to label some
[TS]
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messages but I since I do all the
[TS]
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sorting of email and everything I've got
[TS]
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labels on like every compact mode
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enabled yeah and do you have like
[TS]
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messages with labels they might just all
[TS]
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say inbox go to the all-male view and
[TS]
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you might just see a bunch of things to
[TS]
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say inbox but if you could label stuff
[TS]
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as other random stuff the labels which I
[TS]
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I use labels and everything and I didn't
[TS]
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realize how much I rely them and
[TS]
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visually to see where things are I tend
[TS]
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not to color my labels I have a few
[TS]
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colored labels but I don't want to look
[TS]
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like a Christmas tree right so most of
[TS]
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my labels are just the default whatever
[TS]
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color too jarring if you use the colors
[TS]
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yeah it's just too much I want that like
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I want color to be an emphasis for
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things that should stand out not just
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color for the labels it looks to me like
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a film negative it looks to me like when
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you did like control option you know
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command shift 8 when you do the invert
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screen likes keyboard shortcut or Mac OS
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they look reversed to me it looks
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negative and my I just just cannot parse
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like the darker gray text inside the
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slightly lighter gray outline inside the
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slightly lighter gray line item for the
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message ah it literally hurts my eyes to
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look at my labels then I don't I can't
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maybe a designer can tell me why is it
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these things bother they they almost
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flip and invert in my mind maybe I have
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a visual impairment or something but I
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just cannot see them and every time I I
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comes over to that section
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the thing it just I don't know it's like
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it's not like a spotlight shining at me
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it's like something it's visually
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offensive it like bothers my eyes and it
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makes me not be able to read what those
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things are it's struggle and it's ice
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trainee and it just it looks inverted to
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me I would love for someone who knows
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something about visual science to look
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at the Gmail enterprise and say what why
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does this remind me of a film negative
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why does it look inverted I because I
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couldn't tell you maybe it's because the
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the contrast ratio between the
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background on the foreground is not
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sufficient or that if I if I did really
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did invert it it would be a more
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familiar kind of contrast I don't I
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don't even know but this is really the
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combination of this lack of visual
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landmarks and the section that I can't
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even look at because it hurts my eyes is
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making it harder for me to latch on to
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where things are in the interface like
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looking at individual messages or
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looking at what new things have come
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and this continues onto the the
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conversation view where it shows that
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the threaded email message like kind of
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collapsed up like an accordion there
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used to be very distinct kind of pleats
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in the accordion from a collapse message
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in one message on top of the other and
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they again they crank down the contrast
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and everything it faded everything out
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to the point where when I see a long
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message thread with things expanded or
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collapsed it's very difficult for me to
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see where one message ends and another
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begins and latch on to where the name of
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the person is and the different fields
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and the messages and stuff like that
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just kind of like all blends together
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into this big white thing that I don't
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like and it makes parsing conversations
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more difficult when I'm looking up to
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see how many messages there are whether
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it was a particular message lots and
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lots of low contrast in lines and I
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think they're trying to do it to get rid
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of visual noise and trying to form it
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with whitespace instead but they're
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they're doing it wrong I think I think
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when you if you want to make an
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interface that's defined by whitespace
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you still need bold things
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demarking the space you can't just have
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a big giant sea of medium graves with
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slightly darker and slightly lighter
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things in them because it just all kind
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of blends together and there are
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functional aspects to like a lot of
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times I want to like sort of expand the
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header to see more information about the
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sender and they buried lots of stuff
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under like little pop-up menus they're
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not easy to discover and annoying to
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click on to see like what if I just want
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to see more information about this I
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find myself doing the view original SiC
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and just look like
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the actual male headers to get myself a
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fighting chance of getting this
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information similar changes up in the
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top bar where these have all the buttons
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to like refresh your mail or perform
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actions they did the Apple thing I've
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ever done in iPhoto 11 rant but I should
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probably add that somewhere before they
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fix it or make it worse maybe I'll I had
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a second rant to it they buried lots of
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controls that used to be top level
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controls under like a more menu and I
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guess they're doing that for visual
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neatness but I'd never think that's a
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good idea to just bury everything under
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a single thing and the second thing I do
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is they they want it did not look
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cluttered and normally use so lots of
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options don't even appear until you
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select a message and do the checkbox and
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then all of sudden the navigation
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changes and so it means that the options
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available to you in the toolbar are
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constantly changing and shifting so the
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button for one thing might not be in the
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same place because it gets shipped like
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the more menu for example when you have
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a message selected the more menu is over
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like three inches from when it's not
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selected and that kind of things jumping
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around bothers me they also changed all
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by default change the toolbar buttons to
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be images instead of text and initially
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I'm like you can't tell what the images
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are because like the images for archive
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is like a silhouette of a box with an
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arrow going down on it and then reports
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spam is a octagon with an exclamation
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point in it like a stop sign exomesh
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more these are all gray by the way of
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course they're great they're not helpful
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and a delete button I guess is a trash
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can that kind of reads and the label one
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looks like a tag but the two choices for
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archive and report spam are not obvious
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buttons and as soon as you mouse over
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them you get a little tooltip you know
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you get the mystery meat navigation or
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whatever but that is the case where the
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when I started using it a like where the
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hell's the archive button because I hit
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where-where's but where is the archive
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button and you know I use keyboard
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shortcuts for a lot in Gmail people ask
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me how I can manage to use Gmail most of
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the time using kind of like a VI user
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but certain functions for whatever
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reason I haven't ever assigned keyboard
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shortcuts to why do I not have archive
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is a I see it do they actually do
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anything yeah that actually does archive
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I don't know why I don't hit it don't
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know why I go to the archive button but
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but I find myself doing it same thing
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was reported as spam a lot of things I
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have keyboard shortcuts but a lot of
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things I don't for whatever reason and I
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would go for the button and I'd have to
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wait for the tooltip to appear you know
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there's nothing infuriates me more than
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having to put my mouse over something
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and wait for the tools it to come up to
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see what the help of thing does because
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seriously like what's going on here
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that's not the way a UI should work I
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have found that over the week and a half
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of use my brain is starting to learn
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what the symbols mean and it's happening
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less and there is an option to change
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all those two texts I tried that I'm
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like well maybe you know let me just get
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rid of these inscrutable pictures and
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put and replace text labels which is
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what they used to be there used to be
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like buttons like actual native buttons
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and then they change to like those fake
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native buttons that they can do whether
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you can style buttons inside a web
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browser to childhood consistent across
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platforms blah blah blah I change it to
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the text where the text was worse and
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then I found myself reading the text I'm
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like why am i reading this text I never
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read the text before I think it's
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because the buttons move around more and
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I feel more discomfort about I have to
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read it to make sure I'm clicking the
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right button whereas before I don't
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think I was reading the text I think it
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was just jamming my mouse cursor up to
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the archive button because it was always
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in the same place in the same context
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maybe it's still in the same place and I
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just haven't learned that place I don't
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know but I ended up changing back to
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icons so I would call that a wash so far
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and I think the main problem the icons
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is just the images themselves aren't
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great the idea of icons I think is okay
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especially since people like me should
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really be using the keyboard shortcuts
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for everything and I mostly do so it's
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just kind of like a deficiency in my own
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workflow where certain functions for
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various reasons have not ended up
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becoming programmed into my fingers as
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keyboard shortcuts and by the way I
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mentioned because I said that's like VI
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users I mean these keyboard shortcuts
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are single letter presses like the same
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way I reading that newswire or you know
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used to read Usenet using tin Gmail can
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work the same way I think that's one of
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the reasons the power users like it and
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that desktop clients are starting to
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emulate that say oh you can use all your
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Gmail keyboard shortcuts on our desktop
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client that's that's kind of a strange
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turn of events where a desktop piece of
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software is trying to lure people from
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the web thing by giving them the
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interface that they're used to like in
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other words the web interface has user
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experience advantages that the desktop
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thing must at least match and provide
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because if you don't it's not as good so
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what else about this UI I can at the end
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of my notes here when you look at it is
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there anything that jumps out as you as
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evil I know you don't to use the web
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interface at all but well I'm
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you know I was never a fan of the old
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one and to me not not being a extreme
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maybe you're an extreme user not being
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an extreme user this thing I look at it
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and I think you know looks fine it's not
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a lot of color it's kind of an anemic
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looking interface overall I don't like
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the way that they do the tags either
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that seems like they're kind of in the
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way what I don't what I see as tags are
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actually how I've organized things in
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our labels rather how I've organized
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them in in folders on the Mac in the Mac
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client but it's good you know I mean
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it's weird because there's this very
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minimalist vibe to it but it doesn't
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quite get it does that make sense yeah I
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best my facts I think they're going for
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they want I mean but what doesn't but
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they didn't get it that did they didn't
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get it that when you when you go for a
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minimalistic approach what you're
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supposed to be doing is you're supposed
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to be taking the things that are the
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essentials and putting them first and
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foremost making sure you can do those
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and then letting more advanced actions
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it's you know making them findable and
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being able to explore them gracefully
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and there's nothing that's even
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appropriate for them like it's like it's
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like a Photoshop came out it said we're
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gonna go for a minimal interface and the
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you I look like the UI for acorn or
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something that's not what Photoshop is
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about right a male for good or for ill
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is like this big honkin thing with lots
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of features so maybe your approach
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shouldn't be like sparrow is minimalist
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right right oh yeah that's what you go
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with it's like there's the subject line
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like you just really boiled down Steve
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Jobs style to just what you need but
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people would have been even more pissed
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if Gmail did that because that's just
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like that's not their customer base
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Gmail is a full-featured lots and stuff
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so given if you're not going to change
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the entire nature of the product which I
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don't think they should because that
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would just make people even more angry
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your strategy should be one that fits
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with your complicated piece of software
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the strategy for making the Photoshop UI
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better is not to make it look like the
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acorn UI is that's just not that's just
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not the way it is it's not the same kind
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of application and so it's like they
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want to have the cake and eat it too
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they were like well we keep we keep it
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every single feature right maybe we hide
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a little bit more under these little
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hidden menus to reduce visual clutter
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and use all these tricks but no we can't
[TS]
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give up the labels and we can't give up
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the stars or the important tags or the
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little checkboxes all the actions you do
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or the menu at the top or you know they
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did hide contacts can see if you can
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figure out how to get your contacts if
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you're in the web UI took me a good eye
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already supposed I already closed it
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down you can make me go back to yeah you
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got to go back to go get the contacts
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then first of all the idea that contacts
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is not since tan look in it it's like
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context Google com like that's not where
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context live the contacts are part of
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Gmail and Gmail does an awful job of
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managing them and I hate it maybe that's
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a whole other show huh but you know go
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find content I'm the one looking aqua
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search not chat it's not circles I was
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doing find find you know find in your
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web browser for the text contacts right
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which I have frequency it okay it's up
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in the top bar under more contact right
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is that where you found it that's I see
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translate mobile books offers wallet
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shopping blogger reader finance well
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again I'm using I'm using the Google
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Apps version ah I might be different
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maybe it is different at the bottom of
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my more menu is an item called
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even more that makes it front that makes
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me like somewhere is pretty bad user
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interface designer is weeping quietly in
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a corner no pretty miss you're missing
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you're more menu hasn't even more item
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maybe maybe contacts is under you
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anymore but where I found contacts was
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underneath the Google logo you see the
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word Gmail in red yes well now I'm well
[TS]
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I did down triangle I did when I logged
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out of my of my actual like Google Apps
[TS]
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version of Gmail and going into the
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actual the actual Gmail I see something
[TS]
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that is somewhat different yeah so the
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Gmail thing has the little turning down
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triangle that indicates to you that as a
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pop-up menu or indicates someone who
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knows and that's the only indication
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that tiny little triangle and then
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underneath there you see contacts and
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tasks yeah took me a while to find that
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not good I don't the other thing I want
[TS]
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to complain about is that this is to
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route so you can tell this to look for
[TS]
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Gmail is a company-wide visual
[TS]
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realignment which I applaud the idea of
[TS]
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doing that instead of just letting
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everyone do what they want right just so
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that I feel is not appropriate for their
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properties and one aspect of it is that
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the way they indicate a selection is
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long as they're not doing it maybe even
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more yeah where's oh there it is all
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right so the way they indicate the
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current position of like your like your
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cursor because you've got you know you
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trigger this go into a message and then
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go back and you should see a little blue
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you just went in to write this in yes
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you can hit the K key and watch it move
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up that's their indication this is the
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current message but it's literally two
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pixels wide yeah it is a two picks and
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it looks for all the world like a border
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because it is the border they have made
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the left-hand border which used to not
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exist on this thing it just at the
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background image that went bled right to
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the edge they made the left-hand border
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to pixel blue line that is not easy to
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see that is not obvious it's replacing a
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greater than sign kind of like carrot
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type thing you know oh yeah yeah yeah
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which is a much better indication of
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like this is the current thing I'm
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pointing to or highlight would be even
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better but god forbid they do a
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highlight because own they had to figure
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out what all the highlighted versions of
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all these hideous colors aren't on you
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want to see what that would look like
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but this is their this thing this little
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line is a border it's carried across
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many properties or that's the way they
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indicate the currently selected thing
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and I don't particularly like it
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visually and I don't think it works that
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well I think it's not obvious enough
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yeah so do the themes do the color
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themes help you at all oh I tried them
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all I went through all them like some
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save me themes somehow you have to use
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their Google Labs thing I tried all the
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themes all of them are visually more
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offensive to me yeah a high contrast one
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like you would think it wasn't that
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better doesn't it help things it just
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makes these really thick lines between
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all the other low contrast I think it
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makes it worse you don't like the HD
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themes the wood theme or the desk theme
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oh do it I don't like seeing a rough
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wood background behind your I don't need
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Hello Kitty and I I see people who do
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that about the Android one my mother has
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a theme it's like uh like the weather in
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the background which is kind of neat but
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I'm like how do you look at that it's
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looking at a flea market painting
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constantly you know sorry my email I
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don't see like a seascape in the
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background like the painted Velvet Elvis
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yeah I'm not into these themes it and
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like they have revised things it is more
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dense than it used to being they're
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trying to do this this whole realignment
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thing it's just it's just not working
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for me and I find it I find it ugly
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looking and it's hurting me during the
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day because is making me less efficient
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when I do my email stuff and that's what
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I don't like about it so if I could
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change back the old one I would but I'm
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not going to go to heroic links to do so
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I just hope they caught with better
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themes or maybe a labs thing or I use
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Chrome from my gmail so I can't use
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grease monkey but maybe there's an
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equivalent you know Chrome extension
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I don't know so we you know it's just
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deal with change I'll get by but it's
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real being cranky that's all I got today
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except for Instagram which will continue
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to get shoved off it'll be shoved off so
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long and won't even be relevant anymore
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even if it is relevant right now which I
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would question yeah I'll keep I think
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it'll still be okay to talk about next
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week okay maybe maybe I'll transfer that
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interest and opportunity to finally talk
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about patents with which I've never
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talked about but not today not today
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today is not the right day for them yeah
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okay so we're done then is wait this way
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we are I believe we are all right well
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you can go to five by five dot TV slash
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hypercritical 65 and you will find all
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of the links that John Syracuse is
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carefully cataloged and organized just
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for your reading enjoyment we'd like to
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say thanks very much to help spot.com
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and that's it you can go you can follow
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John on Twitter s IRAC USA and he
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promises if you follow him he will
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follow you back I do not promise that
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and he will retweet everything you say
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and I'm Dan Benjamin on Twitter and I
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think that's it John
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well something cuz you don't have a blog
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we can't talk about that you can find me
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you search for John Syracuse a blog and
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there's my little I'm so sorry Sarah Q
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so tumblr comm gets almost one post a
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year it's a good post I hope so
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that better be alright everybody thanks
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for tuning in and we will be back next
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week same time have a good one you do
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