60: Reversing the Polarity


  [Music] [TS]

  this is hypercritical weekly talkshow [TS]

  ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

  the world of apple introduces nothing is [TS]

  so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

  about by my co-host John siracusa today [TS]

  is Friday [TS]

  it's March 23rd 2012 this is episode [TS]

  number 60 we'd like to say thanks to our [TS]

  three sponsors today freshbooks comm get [TS]

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  guise of bare-bones tell me more about [TS]

  them as the show continues hello John [TS]

  siracusa oh damn Enderman how's your day [TS]

  going today it's hot hot day yeah [TS]

  supposed to be in the mid 70s today Wow [TS]

  oh how you stand it yep gonna have a [TS]

  short show today that's what's gonna [TS]

  happen what do you think of that well [TS]

  I'll believe it when I believe it yeah [TS]

  me too [TS]

  that's the plan raiveer some follow up [TS]

  absolutely [TS]

  okay this show is mostly follow up this [TS]

  one and one small topic at the end do [TS]

  you feel like that you will clear out [TS]

  all of the follow up and you'll be able [TS]

  to start fresh now because they keep [TS]

  sending more every week I see is that [TS]

  the problem with if no one ever responds [TS]

  the show with emails or tweets or [TS]

  whatever then there'll be no follow up [TS]

  so in a way it's it's very much a user [TS]

  driven show it's a responsive show [TS]

  responsive and at least at least the [TS]

  first half of each one is because what [TS]

  they're responding to is usually not [TS]

  follow up from the previous show it's [TS]

  whatever I talked about whatever new [TS]

  stuff I talked about alright first bit [TS]

  is about I'm the iOS version of iPhoto I [TS]

  talked about how the app was little the [TS]

  UI of the app was a little inscrutable [TS]

  to me and I couldn't quite figure out [TS]

  how to do everything and one of the [TS]

  things I talked about was my inability [TS]

  to discover that you could take the [TS]

  thumbnails and change them from one side [TS]

  to the other I couldn't figure out what [TS]

  gesture did that and someone in amnon on [TS]

  Twitter said that the only way that you [TS]

  can drag the thing for one side to the [TS]

  other is [TS]

  to grab the little titlebar handle thing [TS]

  on the thumbnails and move it and you [TS]

  know that's not a difficult gesture why [TS]

  was I not grasping that and so I looked [TS]

  at it and he's right and the reason I [TS]

  was confused by it was that when I saw [TS]

  the video it looked just like this big [TS]

  sweeping gesture so I just make this [TS]

  grand sweeping gesture with my finger [TS]

  and it would work sometimes because if [TS]

  you start the drag in the little handle [TS]

  area but then quickly leave it it still [TS]

  works [TS]

  so I was fooling myself into thinking [TS]

  there was a complicated gesture to do [TS]

  this when in reality is a very [TS]

  constrained gesture you have to start in [TS]

  a little grippy area after that you can [TS]

  leave it I guess so part of the iOS [TS]

  thing is without mouse cursor to see in [TS]

  a demonstration is not only clear what [TS]

  the person is doing to the iOS [TS]

  application that's why I kind of like [TS]

  those screencasts where they have the [TS]

  little circle that shows where the [TS]

  person's finger is and like this little [TS]

  I know what you call it little rings go [TS]

  out from it but you can see with when [TS]

  they tap with their finger or something [TS]

  those are very useful so thanks I am [TS]

  known for that direction [TS]

  and speaking of iOS for iPhone mere [TS]

  minutes before the show began today [TS]

  steven frank co-founder of panic made [TS]

  two tweets he said this is Saturn Oh [TS]

  who's talking - he's talking to the [TS]

  Twitterverse in general he says I [TS]

  thought you were exaggerating but iPhoto [TS]

  for iOS really is bizarre the cloud [TS]

  slider amuses me though I have no idea [TS]

  what it does I think he's referring to [TS]

  some of those little slider controls [TS]

  there it has like a cloud background and [TS]

  you slide the little cloud back and [TS]

  forth on this weird colored field but [TS]

  it's interesting looking but he has no [TS]

  idea what it does and then he followed [TS]

  that up right after a couple seconds [TS]

  later saying but whenever I criticize [TS]

  weird I owe s you why there's always a [TS]

  nagging concern that maybe I'm just too [TS]

  old and everyone else understands [TS]

  immediately I don't know is that the [TS]

  case I seen a lot of people puzzled by [TS]

  the iPhone or iOS UI upon first seeing [TS]

  it and I think Apple acknowledges that [TS]

  with the with the prominent help and [TS]

  tool tips I can't think of another Apple [TS]

  iOS app I've seen that has a button that [TS]

  springs up little yellow explanations of [TS]

  what everything on the screen does now [TS]

  they didn't have to do that for mail or [TS]

  Safari or [TS]

  any of the other out even even iMovie [TS]

  design but we have that I don't know I [TS]

  haven't played with it so I don't think [TS]

  it's just me and Steven and the other [TS]

  old people I think that it really is a [TS]

  weird UI but again I don't think that's [TS]

  necessarily bad it's just [TS]

  there's a steeper learning curve I think [TS]

  once you get used to it and know what [TS]

  everything does it will be okay [TS]

  Connor Porter says that I have a total [TS]

  misunderstanding of a smart cover when I [TS]

  was discussing I don't know which [TS]

  particular here's what he says is in a [TS]

  tweet so it's compressed removed smart [TS]

  cover fold into a triangle pinch metal [TS]

  bar between fingers and wipe screen have [TS]

  you ever have you ever heard of this or [TS]

  done it yourself I have not done I've [TS]

  never heard of this I've never heard of [TS]

  anyone doing it but as soon as I started [TS]

  googling around sure enough you can find [TS]

  lots of people taking their smart cover [TS]

  off folding into a triangle shape using [TS]

  the metal magnetic spine thing to hold [TS]

  it and using it like a like a squeegee [TS]

  or a chamois to zoom out a chamois a [TS]

  challenge with Shannon it was like a [TS]

  claw yeah it absorbs the liquid from [TS]

  after you dry your car and you're like a [TS]

  squeegee though because a chemise uh you [TS]

  know it's like a squeegee but I think [TS]

  it's like a chamois squeegee pushes the [TS]

  water off of a flat surface the chamois [TS]

  absorbs the liquid and I think this [TS]

  thing is absorbing your finger grease [TS]

  and just microfiber terrible yeah so I [TS]

  responded that I thought that was [TS]

  ridiculous that you would remove your [TS]

  cover and fashioned it into a cleaning [TS]

  device and use it to wipe your screen [TS]

  down that's how you get rid of lines do [TS]

  you find that there you're creating a [TS]

  lot of smudging on the screen is this a [TS]

  problem for you or for people do you [TS]

  think I don't think it's a problem in [TS]

  general because first of all you've seen [TS]

  like the general population if you [TS]

  divide the population into screen [TS]

  touches and on screen touches this is [TS]

  before touch space devices and I think [TS]

  there are more screen touches than on [TS]

  screen touches yeah the picky geeks like [TS]

  us didn't want people touching our [TS]

  computer monitors but if you just went [TS]

  through the average office and looked at [TS]

  all the computer screens their cover [TS]

  with fingerprints so even screens that [TS]

  you didn't have to touch people had no [TS]

  problem touching and smudging up now [TS]

  that you were supposed to touch the [TS]

  screens I I rarely see people [TS]

  complaining about it and it doesn't [TS]

  bother me that much on the iPad it [TS]

  bothers me more on the iPod touch and I [TS]

  don't know why maybe it's because like I [TS]

  hold it closer to my face and I can and [TS]

  I catch more of it on an angle or [TS]

  whatever or maybe maybe there's a Smart [TS]

  Cover mostly keeping the screen clean [TS]

  people's fingers produce different [TS]

  amounts of oils and different types of [TS]

  oils so I think it all comes down to [TS]

  who's using it and then what their [TS]

  tolerances for smudges but in general I [TS]

  don't see this as a problem and should [TS]

  you know how much press any possible [TS]

  problem with any of Apple's iOS devices [TS]

  gets so surely if this was actually a [TS]

  concern someone would have written a [TS]

  sensational story about it Apple's iOS [TS]

  device is rendered useless by finger [TS]

  spoo I don't think that is the headline [TS]

  that I've seen so I think it just [TS]

  doesn't bother people Chris Porter also [TS]

  says that he agrees with me that the [TS]

  hinges the little little hinges on the [TS]

  Smart Cover can crack glass because his [TS]

  dad did that ooh so that's bad and the [TS]

  aluminum does get scratched I knew that [TS]

  because I've done that all right well [TS]

  mark booth is the stand-in for the [TS]

  ongoing angst over the iPad name you [TS]

  would think this would die but no I [TS]

  continue to get lots of feedback about [TS]

  it and I put him as a stand-in because [TS]

  he covers all the bases I'll cover them [TS]

  again [TS]

  ah um I read the wrong name that's not [TS]

  what Marc booths problem is rewind reset [TS]

  okay Marc booth wrote a blog post about [TS]

  the iPad particularly about the Smart [TS]

  Cover and he discovered that his a smart [TS]

  cover or some smart covers that were [TS]

  purchased before the introduction of the [TS]

  iPad the new iPad don't work the right [TS]

  way with the new iPad because they don't [TS]

  do the wake-sleep thing correctly and so [TS]

  he investigated this and found that some [TS]

  iPad 2 customers were having issues with [TS]

  their iPads entering sleep mode when [TS]

  they flipped the cover around to the [TS]

  back like they're opening the smart [TS]

  cover and just wrapping around to the [TS]

  back and the thing would go back to [TS]

  sleep and that was because the theory [TS]

  goes that the magnets in the smart cover [TS]

  were like sort of reaching around and [TS]

  activating the little sleep magnet [TS]

  trigger that's on the front of the iPad [TS]

  so sometime in 2011 sometime last year [TS]

  Apple changed all its smart covers and [TS]

  change the polarity of the magnets that [TS]

  make the thing go to sleep so that when [TS]

  it's wrapped around on the back it has [TS]

  less of a chance of activating it and [TS]

  the iPad 3 apparently is sensitive to [TS]

  that polarity [TS]

  if you have one of the old Smart Covers [TS]

  that doesn't have the reverse polarity [TS]

  magnet in that particular thing it won't [TS]

  put the thing to sleep and wake it up so [TS]

  what he did was ripped open his Smart [TS]

  Cover and flipped around the magnet [TS]

  thing so it's upside-down in that last [TS]

  panel to confirm his hypothesis that [TS]

  reversing the polarity of the magnitude [TS]

  works you thought reversing the polarity [TS]

  was something I only did on Star Trek [TS]

  but here's an actual legitimate use of [TS]

  reversing the polarity that actually [TS]

  solved the problem so I put a link to [TS]

  his blog post in the show notes and he [TS]

  is not the one who complained about the [TS]

  name but we will get to that later in [TS]

  the follow up let me read what these [TS]

  people say before I read their name so [TS]

  Robert Mooney was the first person to [TS]

  tell me that the Apple TV has a feature [TS]

  that allows it to learn a different [TS]

  remote I blast sure I complained a lot [TS]

  about the Apple TV remote and we'll have [TS]

  more on that later in the follow up but [TS]

  he was the very first person to respond [TS]

  to me by Twitter that if I go in to [TS]

  Settings General remotes learn remote [TS]

  there's a really cool interface where [TS]

  you get the different functions of the [TS]

  remote like up down left right and [TS]

  select you go through them one at a time [TS]

  and you basically point the remote that [TS]

  you want to use and it says please press [TS]

  the button that you would like to be up [TS]

  so you hold down the button that's [TS]

  supposed to be up in a little progress [TS]

  bar fills then it goes to the next thing [TS]

  says press the button that you want to [TS]

  be down so you hold the down button the [TS]

  progress bar fails so what I did was I [TS]

  pulled out one of my many old TiVo [TS]

  remotes and because I wanted to use that [TS]

  to control the Apple TV and I just set [TS]

  it up to use the Apple TV that it has a [TS]

  five-way thing so I used up down left [TS]

  right and select and as another screen [TS]

  for a setting what do you want to be [TS]

  fast-forward rewind skip forward skip [TS]

  backwards stop play pause the only one [TS]

  was stopped because it's not really a [TS]

  stop button on the TiVo remote there's [TS]

  just a pause so that worked great and it [TS]

  allowed me to take my take the Apple TV [TS]

  remote out of the room and not have to [TS]

  have it there at all and not have to [TS]

  worry about all the things that I didn't [TS]

  like about it the only wrinkle what my [TS]

  setup was that I actually configured the [TS]

  same TiVo remote two times because I [TS]

  wasn't I couldn't decide which button I [TS]

  wanted to use as the Menu button on the [TS]

  Apple TV remote the menu button is like [TS]

  down into the left from from the center [TS]

  of the the 5y pad back into the left [TS]

  down into the left oh I see and there is [TS]

  a button down into the left on the TiVo [TS]

  remote [TS]

  it's the aspect button I think and I [TS]

  said one I just use that once then it's [TS]

  like muscle memory for like where the [TS]

  thing is on both remotes but but the [TS]

  button that I tend to use to go back on [TS]

  the TiVo remote is the TiVo button the [TS]

  very top center button so I wanted to [TS]

  program both of them to do menu and I [TS]

  had to set up the same remote twice to [TS]

  do that because you go through the setup [TS]

  once and pick one of the buttons then go [TS]

  through the whole setup again a second [TS]

  time with the exact same remote but [TS]

  simply make a different choice for the [TS]

  menu button so now I have my TiVo remote [TS]

  working with my Apple TV and two [TS]

  possible buttons I can use to go back [TS]

  the only thing I had to do is label this [TS]

  remote so it's distinguishable from the [TS]

  actual TiVo remote by the people who are [TS]

  how did you label it my wife has a label [TS]

  maker thing I just wrote Apple TV on a [TS]

  little label and stuck it on it so the [TS]

  kids can tell the difference the adults [TS]

  could tell because the that there are [TS]

  different buttons on the two TV remotes [TS]

  the one for the premiere has like the [TS]

  colored buttons and this is an old one [TS]

  from the terminal TiVo HD and it doesn't [TS]

  have the colored buttons umm the only [TS]

  tricky part for the TiVo thing and I [TS]

  already went through this so I didn't [TS]

  have to relearn it is of course I have a [TS]

  TiVo sitting in front of the TV and in [TS]

  general any TiVo remote will control any [TS]

  TiVo so first thing I had to do was [TS]

  convince one of my spare TiVo remotes [TS]

  not to are convinced my tebow not to [TS]

  accept signals from this TiVo remote and [TS]

  if you google for that there's this [TS]

  crazy procedure that is very confusing [TS]

  and the most most confusing thing is [TS]

  that when you're on the screen there's [TS]

  like the the TiVo information screen [TS]

  when you're on that screen almost [TS]

  anything you do with any TiVo remote [TS]

  will tell the TiVo oh I better listen to [TS]

  this one and I guess that's so people [TS]

  don't lock themselves out of their TiVo [TS]

  like if you if you accidentally do [TS]

  something with TiVo remote and then [TS]

  you've convinced your TiVo not to listen [TS]

  to it how do you convince it to start [TS]

  listening to it again like you have no [TS]

  way to input this there's not many [TS]

  buttons on the front of the thing so [TS]

  that screen is it errors on the side of [TS]

  not locking you out so if you touch a [TS]

  TiVo remote at all the T that the TiVo [TS]

  goes oh I better listen to that remote [TS]

  so you really have to follow this [TS]

  regimented procedure of like set the [TS]

  number on this thing but this thing by [TS]

  blocking you you know don't allow the IR [TS]

  to go out shove the thing behind the [TS]

  couch cushion and do the buttons but [TS]

  then you know so it can be done and I [TS]

  encourage everyone to Google around for [TS]

  how to do that TiVo site has [TS]

  instructions your TiVo manual itself has [TS]

  instructions but [TS]

  it is possible to configure a TiVo [TS]

  remote not to control one or more TiVo's [TS]

  actually if you have a remote that has a [TS]

  little switch on it is like a one-two [TS]

  switch you can use the same TV remote to [TS]

  control two different things but believe [TS]

  it or not the Premier Li remote does not [TS]

  have a switch on it so I had to actually [TS]

  have to TiVo remotes down here so [TS]

  finally here we are [TS]

  James Scout yadi he's the one who I'm [TS]

  using as my standing for complaining [TS]

  about iPad numbers a lot a lot of people [TS]

  have the complaint that they think this [TS]

  works for Macs like iMac doesn't have a [TS]

  number at the end of it or whatever [TS]

  because they don't sell multiple [TS]

  generations of hardware alongside each [TS]

  other so the model that's currently on [TS]

  sale is always the new one by definition [TS]

  now I kept trying to look this up and it [TS]

  was difficult to tell from that I was [TS]

  looking it up on like these you know [TS]

  every Mac comm or low end Mac comm and [TS]

  the Mac tracker application but my [TS]

  memory is that they sold the white [TS]

  MacBook alongside the aluminum MacBook [TS]

  for some period of time and they were [TS]

  both called MacBook and they would call [TS]

  one of them white or whatever is that [TS]

  your recollection as well that's mine as [TS]

  well but they were different products [TS]

  they were and they were all in the [TS]

  MacBook family but they were they were [TS]

  separate versions it wasn't like one was [TS]

  old one was new although one might have [TS]

  been older and newer [TS]

  they were separate right but so I'm not [TS]

  I'm not disagreeing with you I'm [TS]

  agreeing with uh [TS]

  yeah it's hard to say like it well the [TS]

  thing is since they're so visually [TS]

  different and since you could say well [TS]

  like that one's just a white one you [TS]

  know that what say the iPad 4 comes out [TS]

  it looks exactly like the iPad 3 people [TS]

  would say well that's different because [TS]

  the white MacBook it's made of a [TS]

  different material ones plastic and one [TS]

  is metal so it was clear to tell [TS]

  difference even though I think they're [TS]

  both they both were called MacBook and [TS]

  then maybe they had some stuff in [TS]

  parenthesis I don't know it's it's a [TS]

  it's a tough call on whether it's the [TS]

  same situation or not and so he [TS]

  continues this isn't the case with the [TS]

  OTT with iPads or iPhones where they [TS]

  keep the previous generation around the [TS]

  lower price points and so they've done [TS]

  this with three generations but you can [TS]

  get a 3GS now a four and a 4s for [TS]

  example with the phones [TS]

  how will they differentiate next year's [TS]

  new iPad from today's that's a a common [TS]

  refrain from everybody [TS]

  and how will they differentiate if they [TS]

  have three models say they keep selling [TS]

  the two then they keep selling the three [TS]

  and then they sell before so you've got [TS]

  one call two and then one call the iPad [TS]

  one called iPad many people have pointed [TS]

  out how this is unprecedented in many [TS]

  other things not just Apple's hardware [TS]

  but also cars and stuff cars is a little [TS]

  bit fuzzier because when they make a new [TS]

  platform like we talked about last time [TS]

  with the new BMW 3-series platform what [TS]

  they do with the 911 or whatever the [TS]

  Porsche 911 they don't immediately don't [TS]

  always immediately put every single car [TS]

  onto the new platform so for example on [TS]

  the BMW 3-series they make the 3-series [TS]

  sedan they make the 3-series coupe they [TS]

  make the m3 which is a sporty er version [TS]

  they make it convertible and they also [TS]

  make a convertible m3 and when the new [TS]

  platform comes out say oh that you know [TS]

  the f30 BMW 3-series is out you can't [TS]

  run out and get a convertible at m3 [TS]

  version of that car [TS]

  they sort of dole them out so the first [TS]

  thing that comes out as the four-door [TS]

  sedan and then maybe the coupe and then [TS]

  the m3 after that and and same thing [TS]

  with the 911s you can't always get the [TS]

  911 turbo immediately when the new 911s [TS]

  go on sale and so then you have a period [TS]

  of time where if you were to go into a [TS]

  BMW dealership they would say hot you [TS]

  might say I'm interested in a small [TS]

  convertible I said well here we have the [TS]

  BMW 3-series convertible and you would [TS]

  buy it and they would sell it to you [TS]

  even though then it's not based on the [TS]

  new 3-series platform because they [TS]

  simply haven't come out with a [TS]

  convertible version of that yet I don't [TS]

  think they stopped making those and I [TS]

  don't think they just say all sell our [TS]

  old stock I think they continue to [TS]

  manufacture the old 90 platform 3-series [TS]

  convertibles I'm not sure someone who [TS]

  knows more about BMWs can tell me but [TS]

  certainly I do know that when they Rev [TS]

  the platform which is sort of like they [TS]

  did with the iPad 3 you know when it's [TS]

  got a new screen and your CPU or you [TS]

  know new GPU and the CPU more RAM all [TS]

  that when they rev the platform for cars [TS]

  they don't always rev the platform [TS]

  across the entire board so there's some [TS]

  period of time where old and new mix [TS]

  together ah but with all these concerns [TS]

  not only people tend water they can do [TS]

  how are they going to differentiate I [TS]

  still go back to my practical [TS]

  considerations that I talked about last [TS]

  time and the two practical [TS]

  considerations that I haven't heard [TS]

  anyone can test but few people actually [TS]

  bring up [TS]

  in their complaints about the name is [TS]

  will this decrease sales and will this [TS]

  decrease customer satisfaction and I [TS]

  still come down and saying no I don't [TS]

  think it will decrease sales if you want [TS]

  an iPad you get an area an iPad will [TS]

  decrease customer satisfaction any [TS]

  confusion that comes from this I don't [TS]

  think will make people say I don't like [TS]

  to buy Apple products because it's so [TS]

  confusing I think this will get sorted [TS]

  out in the store in the Apple Store and [TS]

  it will be very clear which ones they're [TS]

  buying and I don't think anyone will [TS]

  come away accidently buying the wrong [TS]

  model and be disappointed by being [TS]

  disappointed but then in fact I think if [TS]

  someone really didn't knows totally [TS]

  clueless and bought themselves an iPad 2 [TS]

  now they would be completely satisfied [TS]

  with it they would have no idea what [TS]

  they're missing with the iPad 3 now [TS]

  instead they know nothing about Apple [TS]

  products and have no idea I just don't [TS]

  think that this naming issue will hurt [TS]

  them in sales or satisfaction I think it [TS]

  helps them in the realm of perception [TS]

  and in aligning their products without [TS]

  having to worry about numbers you know [TS]

  trying to make it more like the iMac for [TS]

  example so people are free to disagree [TS]

  and we will see when I guess next year [TS]

  when the next iPad comes out depending [TS]

  on what they name it if they were all [TS]

  right and I was wrong on this this [TS]

  person's name is Jay a and n is but [TS]

  their German would you go with the [TS]

  honest on that Yan egg with Yan name [TS]

  with the G at the end do you speak [TS]

  German is that what you know there's no [TS]

  I I'm just guessing all right well Jay a [TS]

  and n is kuchar's [TS]

  is one of the many Germans to point out [TS]

  that in Germany things are different yes [TS]

  of course Urmi things are different and [TS]

  their people the common people really do [TS]

  know the the platforms of the carbon [TS]

  many people bro the same example the [TS]

  Volkswagen Golf everybody knows if it's [TS]

  a golf two golf three golf court or golf [TS]

  five and those aren't those aren't model [TS]

  years those are generations so the golf [TS]

  three will be out for a few years in the [TS]

  hub like you know several different [TS]

  years about think is that people around [TS]

  there know what the platforms are of [TS]

  their cars [TS]

  Marcus henshin says exactly the same [TS]

  thing the golf L he uses Roman numerals [TS]

  golf one two and three Fujio models [TS]

  there was an actual model number like [TS]

  205 206 207 and 208 so apparently in [TS]

  Europe especially in countries where the [TS]

  I'd imagine germinates because the car [TS]

  makers that are in Germany are closely [TS]

  tied with the national identity you've [TS]

  got [TS]

  volkswagen and BMW and Mercedes and I [TS]

  think there's much more awareness of car [TS]

  models in that country because it's a [TS]

  smaller country and those car color car [TS]

  companies are so much larger you know [TS]

  those are worldwide brands that [TS]

  everybody knows about that are a point [TS]

  of pride our is in the US I guess I [TS]

  don't think people knew what platform [TS]

  you know they didn't know about the kei [TS]

  cars and what platforms are underlying [TS]

  forwards or Chevy's and stuff like that [TS]

  maybe it's just because Americans always [TS]

  expect to be at the top of everything [TS]

  and it's not that part and when we were [TS]

  the biggest car maker in the world until [TS]

  all of a sudden we aren't and then it's [TS]

  important so as always things are [TS]

  different outside the US I talked about [TS]

  in my Apple TV the last show my [TS]

  confusion at the menu that was letting [TS]

  me pick different kinds of HDMI output [TS]

  and I didn't quite know what Auto meant [TS]

  and what RGB Heineman why RGB low meant [TS]

  but I also talked about this ycbcr [TS]

  output and I'd said that I looked that [TS]

  up somewhere and it was a way a [TS]

  technique of compression where you'd [TS]

  send the luminance but then send the the [TS]

  color channels in a compressed fashion [TS]

  because they weren't as important so [TS]

  Alex trained writes in to say that my [TS]

  implication that this might be a lower [TS]

  quality source in RGB is untrue because [TS]

  in general they're they're broadcast in [TS]

  that same format actually they're [TS]

  broadcast and WA Y UV which is similar [TS]

  to Y C BC are the same anyway so if [TS]

  they're broadcast in that format if you [TS]

  were to straight through displayed in [TS]

  that format you're not losing any [TS]

  particular quality so that's not [TS]

  necessarily wrong or only used for old [TS]

  CRTs as I suggested in the last show [TS]

  Chris Herbert made a good attempt to [TS]

  explain it to me he tried to explain in [TS]

  a tweet I can I suggested as I as I do [TS]

  many times the people who send me things [TS]

  in tweets I say write a blog post about [TS]

  it I'll link it so he did write a blog [TS]

  post about it and I linked it in the [TS]

  show notes so his attempt to explain [TS]

  this and his explanation was the first [TS]

  one that started to make sense to me [TS]

  about what the RGB high and low might be [TS]

  so here's the important distinction on [TS]

  computers total black is represented by [TS]

  the value zero and total white is to [TS]

  fifty-five so that's an 8-bit range for [TS]

  going completely black boolie white or [TS]

  you know completely red to get coolie on [TS]

  red so you've got RGB values and each [TS]

  one of them has value from 0 to 255 the [TS]

  full 8-bit range is used for each [TS]

  component but on television and in [TS]

  digital video in general and I did not [TS]

  know this black is 16 and white is 235 [TS]

  did you notice I did not know that this [TS]

  is news to me so the space above and [TS]

  below these levels is what they call [TS]

  headroom which is necessary when TVs [TS]

  were analog and didn't respond well to [TS]

  hard clipping at the bottom and top ends [TS]

  of the video signal I'm reading from his [TS]

  email here [TS]

  some people even argue that this [TS]

  Headroom is still useful even today even [TS]

  for today's digital televisions and [TS]

  there is in fact some additional picture [TS]

  information in the wider than white [TS]

  portion of the signal particularly when [TS]

  showing very bright things like clouds [TS]

  white shirts etc so he doesn't know for [TS]

  sure what Apple is calling RGB high [TS]

  analogy below but he's guessing that the [TS]

  correct setting for most TVs will be to [TS]

  use the standard video color space which [TS]

  is at 16 to 235 which is likely he [TS]

  thinks this is likely what Apple is [TS]

  calling RGB high as this is what video [TS]

  content is encoded with and what [TS]

  properly designed televisions are [TS]

  expecting the RGB low mode is expanding [TS]

  the 16 to 235 expanding that into 0 to [TS]

  255 range that a computer monitor might [TS]

  expect so for an example so a computer [TS]

  monitor expects 0 255 expects 0 to be [TS]

  black doesn't expect 16 16 to be black [TS]

  so if you were to send if you were to [TS]

  send 0 to 255 to your television set one [TS]

  of two things can happen right first may [TS]

  be that your television always expects a [TS]

  16 to 235 signal and it will just [TS]

  discard all the data below 16 and all [TS]

  the data above to 35 and then everything [TS]

  will be all washed out because nothing [TS]

  will be completely black because all [TS]

  your complete blacks are at 0 and the TV [TS]

  just discarded them because it discards [TS]

  everything below 16 and you'll lose [TS]

  stuff on the high end so this will have [TS]

  a very negative impact on picture [TS]

  quality you don't want this the second [TS]

  is that your television will realize [TS]

  it's receiving a 0 to 55 PC style signal [TS]

  and will just readjust itself in which [TS]

  case everything should be fine you might [TS]

  see some kind of gradient banding if [TS]

  your television does a bad job of taking [TS]

  that range and changing it back to what [TS]

  it expects or whatever so [TS]

  really what this comes down to is and uh [TS]

  all right here's another person written [TS]

  to tell me that a dance termer and tell [TS]

  me that really what you want to make [TS]

  sure is that the incoming signal and the [TS]

  television agree on everything so if [TS]

  your television always expects a certain [TS]

  mode you send it that mode but if you [TS]

  tell you know you don't want to force it [TS]

  to be into a 0 to 255 if your television [TS]

  is not expecting that because bad things [TS]

  will happen you really just want your [TS]

  television expectations and the input to [TS]

  agree which is why he suggests that [TS]

  leaving in Auto was the correct decision [TS]

  because presumably yes faith that auto [TS]

  will find some way to negotiate with the [TS]

  television and send it the signal at [TS]

  suggesting so this isn't as complicated [TS]

  as I I don't know maybe it is the same [TS]

  thing because I know there's a similar [TS]

  setting this is setting on my television [TS]

  it says accept input values that are [TS]

  outside the range of a normal the normal [TS]

  television specification and there's [TS]

  also a setting I think on the [TS]

  PlayStation that helps to help put that [TS]

  thing but for for this I'm I feel better [TS]

  about leaving it on auto because it's [TS]

  basically as I leave it up to the [TS]

  television that a device to negotiate I [TS]

  think most modern TVs will accept and [TS]

  adjust all these formats but it sounds [TS]

  to me like not sending a 0-255 value to [TS]

  your television is the right thing to do [TS]

  and hopefully that's what my device is [TS]

  sorted out amongst themselves and I did [TS]

  change the settings and look to pictures [TS]

  and I couldn't tell a difference so I [TS]

  imagine it's because my television says [TS]

  oh I'm getting a signal in this format [TS]

  and it senses it and does the right [TS]

  thing [TS]

  Mike F from across the pond writes in to [TS]

  tell us that the reason that the UK are [TS]

  one reason he speculates that the UK [TS]

  might have a bunch of amateur this is [TS]

  recording from from him amateurish [TS]

  looking DVRs you've never heard of is [TS]

  that their television greatly simplifies [TS]

  the job of DVRs so the video in the UK [TS]

  apparently arrives already encoded in a [TS]

  usable format so they can just dump that [TS]

  right to disk so they don't need an [TS]

  encoder at all for the video they can [TS]

  just take the bit perfect stream and put [TS]

  it right onto disk the program guide is [TS]

  apparently sent with the video so you [TS]

  don't even need a network connection so [TS]

  the list of when the shows are on or [TS]

  what time or whatever comes along in the [TS]

  same signal as the video so you don't [TS]

  need a network connection for your DVR [TS]

  and channels are bundled into something [TS]

  called multiplexes so a DVR with a [TS]

  single tuner can record multiple [TS]

  channels that they happen to be [TS]

  multiplexing to the same stream [TS]

  so that's interesting it's interesting [TS]

  that they're their television [TS]

  infrastructure is more conducive to two [TS]

  DVRs then apparently ours is so for it [TS]

  because certainly we need a program [TS]

  guide we don't get the program [TS]

  information along with our video signals [TS]

  in general Anthony Johnson also in the [TS]

  UK says that the humic machines that I [TS]

  talked about last time are the least [TS]

  worst option available in the UK just [TS]

  like TiVo is in the u.s. so not not at [TS]

  all big fans of these brands that I [TS]

  talked about last time he also talks [TS]

  about the awful weird brand names he [TS]

  says he speculates that it might be [TS]

  because in the UK they believe Asian [TS]

  electronics are superior and they like [TS]

  the idea of bad fake English names to [TS]

  make them seem nicer this is his theory [TS]

  I have no idea whether that's accurate [TS]

  or not I just dunno the hue max2 strange [TS]

  name dole Frankel all right same to tell [TS]

  me that I inspired him to go through and [TS]

  turn all of his paper manuals into PDFs [TS]

  I think couple shows ago I talked about [TS]

  my smoke detector and how I had to find [TS]

  the manual I had the paper manual but I [TS]

  couldn't search it so I wanted a PDF [TS]

  version of it and I said the PDF [TS]

  versions of most of the manuals for your [TS]

  appliances are available online so he [TS]

  did a blog post that I linked in the [TS]

  show notes where he showed his junk [TS]

  drawer full of those paper manuals that [TS]

  come with all your appliances and [TS]

  devices and his wife was nagging him to [TS]

  get rid of that and he wanted to clear [TS]

  out that drawer but he says that his [TS]

  monkey brain was telling him I might [TS]

  need it someday so finally he couldn't [TS]

  get rid of the manuals but he did [TS]

  instead was found them all in PDF form [TS]

  and put them all into iBooks on his iOS [TS]

  device and he had things like his [TS]

  manuals from his Sega Genesis and his [TS]

  Nintendo 64 so obviously he's a little [TS]

  bit of a pack rat here abdi says the [TS]

  other day he was sitting in his car and [TS]

  trying to pair his phone with his [TS]

  bluetooth handset and couldn't remember [TS]

  something about it and he just pulled up [TS]

  his iphone pulled up his manual in PDF [TS]

  and looked it up so here's a way to [TS]

  declutter your life turning this into a [TS]

  back to work episode take all of your [TS]

  paper manuals that you have filed [TS]

  somewhere and convert them all to PDFs [TS]

  and then recycle all that paper it's [TS]

  faster easier more searchable and it [TS]

  will make you feel cool and high-tech so [TS]

  good job doe Vaughn that and we have now [TS]

  right now now we're into the [TS]

  transitional period of the follow up we [TS]

  have a question [TS]

  from Justin bakes he asks why doesn't [TS]

  the filesystem keep track of how much [TS]

  data is in every folder and he's [TS]

  complaining it like if he gets info on [TS]

  his home directory and the little get [TS]

  info window in the finder comes up it [TS]

  grinds and grinds and grinds and takes a [TS]

  long time to tell you how much data is [TS]

  in the folder and he says D you from the [TS]

  command line takes a long time to why [TS]

  doesn't the filesystem just keep track [TS]

  of this as contents or change that would [TS]

  be nice do you want to take this one why [TS]

  doesn't the filesystem keep track of the [TS]

  contents of folders in other words so [TS]

  that you can very easily and quickly get [TS]

  the size get other data out of it [TS]

  without it having to do that calculation [TS]

  every time that you ask yeah so I'm I'm [TS]

  going to speculate I've never really [TS]

  thought about this but I think my the [TS]

  reason I haven't thought about it is [TS]

  because I just sue my speculation is [TS]

  correct okay but update if you had a [TS]

  situation like that that would mean that [TS]

  every time [TS]

  io is done to any file anywhere below a [TS]

  particular folder you would have to [TS]

  update the those numbers that you [TS]

  keeping track of for every folder in [TS]

  that path so that for the so the first [TS]

  thing means you'd have to keep track of [TS]

  or repeatedly look up which directories [TS]

  are in this files path and in the UNIX [TS]

  file system once you get a file [TS]

  descriptor is just an integer and in [TS]

  general you're not retaining information [TS]

  about that every directory along the [TS]

  path will loop to the root of the file [TS]

  system so you got to store that and [TS]

  that's currently not being stored and [TS]

  then of course there's contention for [TS]

  the all these numbers so if any other [TS]

  files are being modified that along the [TS]

  same path anywhere along the same path [TS]

  you would have to grab some sort of [TS]

  mutex and say okay everybody else stay [TS]

  out I'm gonna update that number because [TS]

  I just added three bytes of data so this [TS]

  directory has three more bytes and its [TS]

  parent directory has three more bytes [TS]

  and its parent directory has three more [TS]

  bytes and all up to the top all right [TS]

  I'm done I really saw my locks okay you [TS]

  can go that seems like it would be a [TS]

  massive bottleneck tayo performance if [TS]

  you had to keep updating those numbers [TS]

  because remember you can't update them [TS]

  like when you're done or when a big file [TS]

  is done being rewritten there is no this [TS]

  is a waiting till done because what is [TS]

  done you'd have to read it every time [TS]

  you did IO right imagine if you were a [TS]

  recording streaming video or something [TS]

  like that yeah or like just untiring a [TS]

  big tar ball you know splatting or [TS]

  running an installer you'd spend all [TS]

  your time you know and so maybe it [TS]

  doesn't sound so bad hfs+ because [TS]

  already [TS]

  only one process can be modifying the [TS]

  catalog at lunch but let's not drag [TS]

  every file system down to be like hfs+ [TS]

  and I believe actually HFS+ does keep [TS]

  more track of this stuff than other [TS]

  processes because like hey I'm locking [TS]

  the whole catalog file anyway and only [TS]

  one process can be modifying the file [TS]

  system anyway but in general the answer [TS]

  is that would produce too much [TS]

  contention that's what I think why file [TS]

  systems don't do that and so when you [TS]

  get info on it then it grinds over [TS]

  everything and looks it up at that time [TS]

  and believe me you'd rather have it be [TS]

  okay what was that in your house than my [TS]

  house yeah I do not know the cat in [TS]

  there or something no I don't nothing in [TS]

  his room I heard that noise and I [TS]

  thought it came over the loud so the [TS]

  headphones no it's on your track I'll [TS]

  take your word for it now but nothing [TS]

  nothing is crashed down in this room [TS]

  maybe something is going on outside that [TS]

  I don't know about I would go check [TS]

  all right Hannah's like nah I'll do a [TS]

  sponsor while you do that okay [TS]

  sponsor today is a great new one it's [TS]

  get box so most of you I'm assuming this [TS]

  in the audience are probably developers [TS]

  or designers or writers or you create [TS]

  something so you've probably heard about [TS]

  get to version control system everybody [TS]

  should be using some kind of version [TS]

  control system that matter what you do [TS]

  the problem with git is it's very [TS]

  command-line intensive and even people [TS]

  like me who use get every single day [TS]

  don't know all of the things that you [TS]

  can do on the command line you [TS]

  constantly have to look things up and [TS]

  when it gets into the really tricky [TS]

  stuff like rebasing commits or resetting [TS]

  a branch I mean you almost always have [TS]

  to go to terminal to figure this out [TS]

  that means you have to look stuff up and [TS]

  that slows you down it makes you not [TS]

  want to use it takes away from the [TS]

  benefit of it [TS]

  the gift box will change all of that [TS]

  imagine if your git client was really [TS]

  really easy to use of course we're [TS]

  talking about something for the Mac here [TS]

  and it was really easy to use it work [TS]

  just like Mail app but forget I mean [TS]

  what if it could keep you from screwing [TS]

  up things like committing new versions [TS]

  outside of a branch full-text search [TS]

  visual comparison of file differences [TS]

  all of that stuff it's integrated all [TS]

  these hard to do things that you wish [TS]

  you were able to do more readily get box [TS]

  lets you do them [TS]

  I love get box I started using it when [TS]

  they showed some interest in being a [TS]

  sponsor and man I loved it I haven't [TS]

  even touched the command line since I [TS]

  started using it so here's what you do [TS]

  you go to get box app comm you can [TS]

  download the free trial and if you like [TS]

  it well you should buy it they're giving [TS]

  a 50% discount [TS]

  right now it's $9.99 so go check this [TS]

  out get box app calm when you want to [TS]

  buy it you buy in the App Store it's [TS]

  pretty awesome oh by the way command Z [TS]

  undo how cool is that can't do that on [TS]

  the command line check it out are you [TS]

  back John I am back I investigated I [TS]

  found nothing I went outside the house [TS]

  the only brother person home is my wife [TS]

  she's fine nothing appears to have [TS]

  fallen inside or outside our house I [TS]

  have no idea what that was and it gets [TS]

  warm like you're talking about up there [TS]

  I think the rats start to get active [TS]

  there's been a truck driving by be some [TS]

  in your walls [TS]

  now the rats aren't that loud usually do [TS]

  feed them or no only poison that's what [TS]

  they get fed okay all right so there's [TS]

  the keeping track of contents the file [TS]

  system question now two to feisty bits [TS]

  of follow up here all right need more of [TS]

  these things [TS]

  Alexander Hoffman writes to tell me that [TS]

  the major barrier to statistical [TS]

  significance is not sample size its [TS]

  representativeness I think on some past [TS]

  show I must have mentioned something [TS]

  about statistical significance and how I [TS]

  thought that because we had a small [TS]

  sample size it was probably the Chris [TS]

  Parrillo stuff because I had small [TS]

  sample sizes is necessarily [TS]

  representative and so on and so forth [TS]

  and I generally try to use the right [TS]

  language there but I'm sure I slip into [TS]

  the common definition of statistical [TS]

  significance which does not agree with [TS]

  the real definition as in many cases [TS]

  like the common understanding like off [TS]

  you don't have a lot of people that must [TS]

  not be statistically significant but [TS]

  it's not the number of people that [TS]

  counts it's how representative they are [TS]

  of the large population so the example I [TS]

  think is this Chris Parrillo thing [TS]

  because he says for example you could [TS]

  talk to a million non geeks and still [TS]

  not have a statistically significant [TS]

  sample if that million non geeks were [TS]

  not represented about the larger [TS]

  population of non geeks for example if [TS]

  you're over sampled college grads or [TS]

  understand both college grads or over [TS]

  sampling of the moms of hardcore geeks [TS]

  etc he says that the math we refer to [TS]

  when we mean statistical significance [TS]

  assumes random sampling it does not [TS]

  assume any particular sample size and [TS]

  virtually any effective size can be [TS]

  statistically significant if you have a [TS]

  large enough sample size that's what it [TS]

  says here maybe just confusing the [TS]

  lessons anyway he says you're probably [TS]

  best not even bringing up the term [TS]

  bringing the term up I think he's right [TS]

  I am probably best not even bringing the [TS]

  term up and yet I probably will so in [TS]

  the future I will endeavor to use this [TS]

  term in a correct manner and talk about [TS]

  that the sample is not representative [TS]

  and not that it's too small because [TS]

  representative is what matters and not [TS]

  size I did take several statistics [TS]

  courses in colleges but I confess that [TS]

  all of them have left my brain long ago [TS]

  so here's here's the best one say the [TS]

  best one for last [TS]

  Nik Modesto writes and to say that I am [TS]

  appalled by John's lack of attention to [TS]

  detail when it comes to the Apple TV [TS]

  remote there are no lines from molding [TS]

  or where the manufacturer typically [TS]

  glues two halves together appears to be [TS]

  a sturdy solid piece of aluminum so I've [TS]

  got the remote right in front of me here [TS]

  he is correct I don't see any mo blinds [TS]

  it appears to be I saw a piece of [TS]

  aluminum which is pretty amazing when [TS]

  you think about it like how did they get [TS]

  the insides in they shove it all in [TS]

  through the battery door or is it just [TS]

  like if used together somehow very neat [TS]

  also you don't mention how the menu [TS]

  button is concave and the play/pause [TS]

  button is slightly convex you're [TS]

  constantly talking about having textures [TS]

  or shapes to help you discern which [TS]

  button of your your finger is on by how [TS]

  it feels this oversight of such detail [TS]

  surprises me especially on a remote that [TS]

  only has three buttons and a d-pad the [TS]

  Apple TV remote is not some massive [TS]

  bulbous hunk of plastic you're not meant [TS]

  to grab it grab this object and attempt [TS]

  to strangle it in order to keep hold of [TS]

  it like you do with a TiVo remote it's a [TS]

  lightweight well bounce remote that just [TS]

  lies in the hand I'm sure John sir [TS]

  Johnny would say that it floats in the [TS]

  hand [TS]

  he says I'm almost positive that you are [TS]

  holding it wrong now I can't tell if [TS]

  he's just trolling me but because I'm [TS]

  holding it right you're doing it wrong [TS]

  yeah I'm holding it wrong very [TS]

  specifically like the iPhone 4 [TS]

  hold it like you would hold the golf [TS]

  club or a drum stick lightly wrap your [TS]

  fingers around their mode while it lies [TS]

  in your open hand and then he has a [TS]

  comment on the the white light from the [TS]

  remote as well [TS]

  finally hiding the Apple TV in order to [TS]

  hide the piercing in quotes [TS]

  white light means that you are moving [TS]

  your ability to get visual feedback from [TS]

  the Apple TV unit in the manual you will [TS]

  see there are a series of different [TS]

  patterns that the Apple TV device uses [TS]

  to communicate back to the user [TS]

  especially when things are not working [TS]

  when properly do this at your own risk [TS]

  don't complain in the future about a [TS]

  lack of visual feedback from the system [TS]

  when you're pounding on buttons and the [TS]

  system isn't responding to your commands [TS]

  so this is quite an angry email that me [TS]

  not liking the Apple TV remote the [TS]

  points he made about it being solid and [TS]

  flakies loom are true it's a pretty next [TS]

  little construction here one of them is [TS]

  convex and one of them is concave and [TS]

  the select button is actually concave as [TS]

  well and then the ring is convex which [TS]

  it didn't like but no I didn't note [TS]

  those two things but I think this is a [TS]

  teachable moment in terms of weighing [TS]

  the relative importance of problems a [TS]

  lot of the things I didn't mention like [TS]

  how it's very solid and how the buttons [TS]

  are shaped differently I never even got [TS]

  to talk about or consider those because [TS]

  right away the size was the dominant [TS]

  factor for me the size and the comfort [TS]

  of holding the thing he says is not a [TS]

  big massive bulbous hunk of plastic I [TS]

  apparently like big bulbous hunks of [TS]

  plastic like the TV over remote it feels [TS]

  more comfortable for me to hold it feels [TS]

  more secure it feels more comfortable to [TS]

  put in my hand the mold lines yeah they [TS]

  exist on the TV remote it's not [TS]

  constructed as well as this but I don't [TS]

  feel them or notice them so all these [TS]

  things that he likes about it I would [TS]

  say they are good design you know having [TS]

  the buttons be shape ba1 be convex and [TS]

  concave that's a good idea although I [TS]

  would say the position is more dominant [TS]

  I could probably tell where they are [TS]

  based on the position more than the [TS]

  texture but that's not bad the concave [TS]

  nature of the ring I think is bad [TS]

  because it makes it look feel like my [TS]

  finger is shedding off of it but really [TS]

  the two things make me not like it as [TS]

  two things that I talked about it just [TS]

  feels too small hurt for me and [TS]

  uncomfortable to hold because it's then [TS]

  small and likea that you're holding it [TS]

  wrong thing is a whole different matter [TS]

  and in practical use like I was willing [TS]

  to give it a try it introduced errors [TS]

  into the process when using the remote [TS]

  to do stuff I always found myself [TS]

  hitting the wrong button or accidentally [TS]

  inputting one I didn't want to so I you [TS]

  know that's that's the the all the other [TS]

  stuff falls by the wayside and in light [TS]

  of that [TS]

  now as for the holding I'm a hand the [TS]

  wrong way this kind of came up with the [TS]

  puck mouse to the IMAX puck mouse that [TS]

  was exactly circular some people really [TS]

  like that Mouse [TS]

  I'm always make take pains to say that [TS]

  whenever we talk about it because it [TS]

  gets such a bad rap but some people [TS]

  really liked it because it was very low [TS]

  profile and it was circulant I think the [TS]

  ball was dead center in the middle of it [TS]

  so it felt kind of good to use but it [TS]

  had this one problem that was you know [TS]

  dominant over everything else and that [TS]

  was when you put your hand on it without [TS]

  looking it was sometimes difficult to [TS]

  figure out which way is directly up and [TS]

  then you would push what you thought was [TS]

  directly up and the cursor eGolf on an [TS]

  angle and people will get frustrated so [TS]

  people came up with techniques of like [TS]

  I'll drape your fingers over it so you [TS]

  can feel what the chord is and they put [TS]

  a little texture on the button where [TS]

  they dug out a little piece on the [TS]

  buttons you could try to feel which way [TS]

  is up on the mouse so it's not [TS]

  completely symmetrically circular or [TS]

  people said even without the bump and [TS]

  even route the cord you should be able [TS]

  to feel which way it is but the bottom [TS]

  line is that that one thing that the [TS]

  frustration of grabbing that Mouse [TS]

  without looking and pushing it and [TS]

  having the mouse cursor not go the right [TS]

  way that that overwhelmed everything [TS]

  else that was good about that Mouse for [TS]

  most people and Apple then show your [TS]

  place didn't gave everyone free mice at [TS]

  Macworld 2001 in New York so that's [TS]

  where I come down in that if you like [TS]

  the Apple TV remote bully for you [TS]

  Apple putting in the thing that lets you [TS]

  learn other remotes I think is great I [TS]

  didn't know that feature existed it [TS]

  makes me feel less bad about the remote [TS]

  but I definitely do not like the remote [TS]

  even though it has some aspects of it [TS]

  that are well-designed I'm speaking of [TS]

  concave versus convex I forget if you [TS]

  mention this on the episode we talked [TS]

  about video game controllers for two [TS]

  episodes we talked about video game [TS]

  controllers the SNES controller in the [TS]

  u.s. X&Y row concave an A&B or convex if [TS]

  my memory serves I tried to look this up [TS]

  in images and it's hard talent images [TS]

  and I don't have an SNES so I can't look [TS]

  and but in Japan they were not that way [TS]

  so this idea of making some buttons [TS]

  concave and some buttons convex gets a [TS]

  big thumbs up for me and I wish more [TS]

  remotes did it but if your remote is the [TS]

  wrong size and the wrong shape and has [TS]

  sharp edges and scratches my [TS]

  grandfather's wooden end table then yet [TS]

  you get booted out and I go for the [TS]

  bulbous piece of plastic so thank you [TS]

  Nick for your feedback [TS]

  continue to enjoy your Apple around [TS]

  that's my follow-up that was short right [TS]

  shortish well I wouldn't say was it's a [TS]

  record but not bad yeah want to do our [TS]

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  there you go well you said that there [TS]

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  hours I think this will be a short ones [TS]

  that you should think of anything after [TS]

  I'm done with it if you think that you [TS]

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  this service and this is this is the way [TS]

  that it works you want to send your [TS]

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  word you pick one of their awful [TS]

  templates or templates as you say and [TS]

  you fill it out with their information [TS]

  you print it you put it in an envelope [TS]

  and you cross your fingers and hope that [TS]

  they actually get it there's no way to [TS]

  know even if you email it to them [TS]

  there's no way to really know we're not [TS]

  using CC mail we don't get read receipts [TS]

  anymore you just hope they get it and [TS]

  then you hope they pay it fresh books [TS]

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  want to you know do the modern thing and [TS]

  send them something via email the little [TS]

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  to print it out or send a PDF you can do [TS]

  that too that's how I invoice everybody [TS]

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  they can pay it all within fresh books [TS]

  it supports all of your favorite payment [TS]

  processing gateways like obviously the [TS]

  PayPal but they'll do authorize.net [TS]

  all the other big ones you do 1099s at [TS]

  the end of the year they've got a plugin [TS]

  for that lets you handle and automate [TS]

  the process sending 1099s I wish you've [TS]

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  tracking their time you can do all your [TS]

  invoicing with it if you like it after [TS]

  30 days you pay for it if you don't like [TS]

  it obviously don't have to because [TS]

  there's no commitment but I think you [TS]

  will I would check it out fresh books [TS]

  calm gonna be funny fresh books didn't [TS]

  want you to invoice fresh books with [TS]

  fresh books they said I'll please send [TS]

  me your invoice is a Word document you [TS]

  know I'd the first it the first time [TS]

  that I invoice them I'd sent it in a [TS]

  more traditional way and they're like [TS]

  come up why aren't you using fresh [TS]

  reason and so I did and you know seen [TS]

  the dog food that's right alright my [TS]

  topic today you already talked about [TS]

  this but I wanted to have some [TS]

  discussion of it all right [TS]

  it's Apple China and Mike Daisey I don't [TS]

  think we've ever talked about Apple and [TS]

  China on the show and a lot of people [TS]

  have asked about it and I think the [TS]

  confluence of the Mike Daisey thing and [TS]

  everything provides an opportunity to [TS]

  talk about a great great idea yeah [TS]

  inside that I think the show you talked [TS]

  about this the most on was the talk show [TS]

  least the one that I've listened to so [TS]

  far where you had a long discussion with [TS]

  a John Gruber about the Mike Daisey [TS]

  thing out on past shows you talked with [TS]

  him about China in general and Apple and [TS]

  China sure stuff yeah yeah now you've [TS]

  actually been to China you visited these [TS]

  factories so you have the first-hand [TS]

  knowledge that a lot of us don't have [TS]

  time dependent I've been to Canada once [TS]

  as I count I've never been to China is [TS]

  there a big difference I'm told yes [TS]

  especially since I went to Newfoundland [TS]

  Oh to pick up one of those hounds [TS]

  no no that's the only other country I've [TS]

  ever been to [TS]

  ok unless Florida counts then I think [TS]

  that's more like in a territory [TS]

  yeah so Mike Daisey has this one-man [TS]

  show called the agony and ecstasy of [TS]

  Steve Jobs and this show has been around [TS]

  for a while and I've known about it for [TS]

  a while because these the kind of circle [TS]

  light traveling and you might assume and [TS]

  many people have asked me out [TS]

  agony ecstasy of Steve Jobs or you heard [TS]

  about that are you going to go to that [TS]

  you mind assume since I'm the one who [TS]

  reads all these books about Steve Jobs [TS]

  even ones I don't like and you know a [TS]

  big fan of him that I would be very [TS]

  interested in this show but even before [TS]

  I knew anything about Mike Daisey [TS]

  anything about the show other than the [TS]

  title right away I had no interest in [TS]

  this thing because combined that title [TS]

  with what I have in my mind as you know [TS]

  what one-man show like monologue type [TS]

  things are about and it just this is [TS]

  unfair this is the first impression that [TS]

  I have based just on the title and the [TS]

  fact that it's a monologue knowing [TS]

  nothing about Mike Daisey was that it [TS]

  was gonna be a polemic it was going to [TS]

  be at the agony and the ecstasy this was [TS]

  all around the same time as the bios are [TS]

  coming out and when he died and [TS]

  everything it's like ah he makes such [TS]

  amazing things but he was such a bad [TS]

  person and um you know anything that's [TS]

  on the stage is gonna be dramatic and [TS]

  you know they're gonna focus on how he [TS]

  was a big jerk in all besides I didn't [TS]

  know his had anything to do but Chyna [TS]

  stuff it was just like I'm not [TS]

  interested in seeing that because I read [TS]

  all these books about it I've [TS]

  experienced all this stuff I don't need [TS]

  maybe if someone never know who Steve [TS]

  Jobs was this would be a way to [TS]

  introduce them to it maybe see a one-man [TS]

  show and it would be dramatic [TS]

  interpretation of his life and to appeal [TS]

  an entertaining way for people to learn [TS]

  about Steve Jobs who are never gonna [TS]

  read some you know dry biography about [TS]

  or anything uh but I wasn't interested [TS]

  in it at all and so I just basically [TS]

  ignored it like all those guys doing the [TS]

  show whatever I don't care about the [TS]

  show I'm not interested in someone [TS]

  telling me what I should think about [TS]

  Steve Jobs I feel like I have a grasp on [TS]

  it so then there was the American This [TS]

  American Life episode and Mike Daisey [TS]

  was on this episode and he was on he was [TS]

  on the episode both interviewed by the [TS]

  host and also an excerpt from his live [TS]

  show and the excerpt and the interview [TS]

  were about labor practices in China [TS]

  which by this point I had heard a lot [TS]

  about from other news stories and stuff [TS]

  the New York Times did a thing on it and [TS]

  it's been covered everywhere and all the [TS]

  tech press and so I figured even though [TS]

  I'm not interested in this guy's show [TS]

  why did I'm here I am interested in this [TS]

  American life that's the show it's do [TS]

  all the time why don't hear what he has [TS]

  to say on that show and so I listened to [TS]

  the episode and it was the most [TS]

  downloaded episode of this American life [TS]

  or whatever ah [TS]

  and when I heard him on that show [TS]

  I was like when I heard the sections [TS]

  from his monologue I'm like yeah this is [TS]

  pretty much about what I expected when I [TS]

  heard him interviewed and everything I [TS]

  figured yeah this guy's like what I [TS]

  expected and I believe that everything [TS]

  he said in that show and so now verses [TS]

  come out that Mike Daisey has fabricated [TS]

  a lot of the stuff I've asked myself why [TS]

  did I believe everything he said in in [TS]

  the excerpt of the show that was on in [TS]

  this American life and why did I believe [TS]

  everything he said in the interview so [TS]

  the first reason is that I when [TS]

  listening to this I didn't pay much [TS]

  attention to the timeline so it seemed [TS]

  to me when listening to the story that I [TS]

  didn't think about like how long was he [TS]

  actually in China was he there for three [TS]

  days you know or was he there I just [TS]

  assumed he was there for a good long [TS]

  time to talk to all these different [TS]

  people so one of the things that the the [TS]

  one of the people who debunked his [TS]

  claims noticed was that hey this guy was [TS]

  only in China for six days how could you [TS]

  possibly have found all these people and [TS]

  talked to all these people in a short [TS]

  period of time so when I was listening [TS]

  to this American life obviously in a [TS]

  radio show everything is compressed and [TS]

  they didn't discuss timeline that much [TS]

  or if they didn't notice it so that did [TS]

  not ring any warning bells for me that [TS]

  it wouldn't be possible for this guy to [TS]

  learn this much in this marathon second [TS]

  thing is I don't know much about China [TS]

  so when he says for example that the [TS]

  security guards at the gates of Foxconn [TS]

  have guns he says in this dramatic way [TS]

  that they have guns and armory of course [TS]

  they have guns so don't security guards [TS]

  at every important factory in the Unites [TS]

  like of course they have guns everybody [TS]

  has guns it didn't you know I'm like [TS]

  I'll roll in my eyes like oh they have [TS]

  guns they're gonna shoot me dead because [TS]

  they're mean right uh no like I said the [TS]

  security guards all factory have guns [TS]

  but if anyone knew anything about China [TS]

  which the guy who de Munck this story [TS]

  did that what was his name Rob Schmidt's [TS]

  or something uh he said well security [TS]

  cars in China can't have guns only the [TS]

  military and the police have guns so his [TS]

  story is suspect but I didn't know that [TS]

  about China so one of the other reason I [TS]

  believe them is that the things that [TS]

  were there were warning bells to people [TS]

  who knew about China didn't ring [TS]

  anything for me because I just don't [TS]

  know much that much about China and but [TS]

  the final thing is that everything he [TS]

  said in that show had been reported [TS]

  elsewhere uh in terms of category so [TS]

  underage children working we've seen [TS]

  reports of that everywhere dangerous [TS]

  chemicals hurting people seen reports [TS]

  that before long were kerosene reports [TS]

  without the suicides and the nets that [TS]

  was like last year in year before all [TS]

  all those things categorically like do [TS]

  these things happen in China yes they do [TS]

  do these things happen in China related [TS]

  to technology manufacturing yes they do [TS]

  so when he gave his specific instances [TS]

  like that this person who was like this [TS]

  then I saw these people and I did that [TS]

  it [TS]

  he didn't convince me that things were [TS]

  worse than they expected because I was [TS]

  already predisposed to think that [TS]

  everything he was going to say it was [TS]

  going to be overly dramatized and [TS]

  exaggerated for effect so when he said [TS]

  all these stories I'm like yeah alright [TS]

  I'm sure you did meet some guy like that [TS]

  yeah that sounds plausible yeah the you [TS]

  saw underage workers yeah probably did [TS]

  stuff like that all right so this week [TS]

  or maybe last week or whatever was oh we [TS]

  find out that he made up these things [TS]

  that he didn't meet these people they [TS]

  didn't sit outside the gates for ten [TS]

  minutes and meet a bunch of underage [TS]

  people that he didn't find some guy who [TS]

  were just crippled by working on the [TS]

  line [TS]

  it didn't show an iPad to someone and [TS]

  have this dramatic moment he says well [TS]

  how it's magical I've never seen any [TS]

  real he just made all that up he made it [TS]

  all up [TS]

  uh now despite when when I believed him [TS]

  when you know before all this this stuff [TS]

  had come out that he fabricated I had [TS]

  also seen him on Real Time with Bill [TS]

  Maher which is an HBO show that has a [TS]

  bunch of political tight people on and [TS]

  when I saw him on that show I already [TS]

  went in having an opinion this is gonna [TS]

  be a guy who was like making everything [TS]

  dramatic and overblowing everything but [TS]

  I thought you know maybe I'm just being [TS]

  unfair I think this is the first time I [TS]

  actually should just start this this is [TS]

  the first time I saw him interviewed [TS]

  this is before this American Life [TS]

  episode are concurrent with it or I [TS]

  hadn't listened to it yet so he sits [TS]

  down in a chair across from Bill Maher [TS]

  Hoopoe for people who don't know as a [TS]

  comedian comedian in the United States [TS]

  and he's on HBO which is a cable network [TS]

  where he's allowed to curse and be lewd [TS]

  into all these things so it's kind of [TS]

  like an adult type show and he's [TS]

  actually a pretty tough interviewer [TS]

  because he will call people on their BS [TS]

  and so he's sitting across from Bill [TS]

  Maher and talking to him and listening [TS]

  to that interview further reinforced the [TS]

  idea in my mind that this guy is not out [TS]

  to make sure he's fair to anybody [TS]

  he has got an agenda he's got an axe to [TS]

  grind he's not interested in balancing [TS]

  when Bill Maher or pushback or asking [TS]

  questions you would he would deflect he [TS]

  his he had an agenda ah he had something [TS]

  that he wanted to do and I'm like this [TS]

  guy is not interested in the figuring [TS]

  out what's really going on he's not a [TS]

  reporter he's not a journalist obviously [TS]

  he's an actor I should've thought that [TS]

  he was [TS]

  but some people can be fair-minded you [TS]

  know like for example if you were to put [TS]

  me on some sort of show and uh and I had [TS]

  some sort of cause it would not be very [TS]

  difficult to get me into a one-hour [TS]

  monologue uh against myself you know [TS]

  sort of telling you why my position you [TS]

  know giving the counterpoint to all of [TS]

  my points was that's just how my brain [TS]

  works this guy was not interested in any [TS]

  of the counter points to any of his [TS]

  points he was only interested in selling [TS]

  what he had to sell his his story of of [TS]

  things and I think the story that Mike [TS]

  Daisey tells himself uh is that he's [TS]

  using his art to affect social change he [TS]

  feels for the workers he empathizes with [TS]

  them he thinks that what's happened to [TS]

  them is an injustice and he wants to [TS]

  write to that injustice any possible way [TS]

  that he can now in Gruber show he points [TS]

  out that even if you were 100 percent [TS]

  cynical and thought Apple was yeah [TS]

  totally in the wrong hair and you know [TS]

  and it was motivated only by selfish [TS]

  concerns and there's nothing altruistic [TS]

  about Apple the company at all it would [TS]

  still be an apples best interest to [TS]

  avoid for example underage workers [TS]

  because there's no upside for Apple [TS]

  using underage workers if there was a [TS]

  labor shortage and the only workers they [TS]

  could get were underage you could say [TS]

  it's an apples interest to use underage [TS]

  workers because otherwise they can't [TS]

  meet their capacity you know they can't [TS]

  they can't manufacture a capacity [TS]

  therefore it's in Apple's interest to [TS]

  hire underage workers and hide it but [TS]

  that's not the case all reports out of [TS]

  China from everybody say that anytime [TS]

  these companies hire they have way more [TS]

  app way more adult applicants than they [TS]

  could possibly hire so there is no [TS]

  worker shortage in China and so there's [TS]

  no upside for Apple hiring underage [TS]

  worker that's true if anything you would [TS]

  think that the workers who are a little [TS]

  bit older I'm not saying elderly but [TS]

  just older would have maybe a better [TS]

  skill set perhaps and more to lose if [TS]

  they were to screw the job up I don't [TS]

  know what the Miz is not like [TS]

  Schindler's List where the little [TS]

  fingers can get into the shell casings [TS]

  that's not no that's not the the [TS]

  situation here right and there's a [TS]

  massive downside of course of bad [TS]

  publicity right so that that was grew [TS]

  his argument to say like even just [TS]

  please assume that there's no [TS]

  not an altruistic bone in Apple's [TS]

  corporate body that it would simply not [TS]

  be in there just to hire underage [TS]

  workers uh but what I think critics [TS]

  think about this and what I think Mike [TS]

  Daisey thinks and just like everybody [TS]

  who's against this this Ennis this is [TS]

  people don't I don't think people will [TS]

  ever come out and say this but I think [TS]

  if they examine what they're feeling and [TS]

  thinking like if you if you if you're [TS]

  like Mike Daisey and you think that you [TS]

  empathize with do burgers and you think [TS]

  it's an injustice and you want to right [TS]

  this injustice that's the story you're [TS]

  telling yourself and the story you tell [TS]

  yourself about Apple is that Apple does [TS]

  this because they're mean Apple as a [TS]

  company as a mean company so you're like [TS]

  because that's what macGruber was [TS]

  getting up is he was saying like why why [TS]

  is it that you think Apple would do is [TS]

  and the people who are criticizing Apple [TS]

  for these things generally don't think [TS]

  to themselves oh well let me let me look [TS]

  at it this way what is apples is Apple [TS]

  motivated is there some sort of perverse [TS]

  incentive system for Apple to to hire [TS]

  underage workers and in the specific [TS]

  case or underage workers I don't think [TS]

  there is any real incentive for them to [TS]

  do it but the people who like Mike [TS]

  Daisey who complain about this and are [TS]

  critical of it the underlying [TS]

  assumptions that Apple is mean because [TS]

  big corporations are mean we learn that [TS]

  like they exploit the workers they're [TS]

  only interested in the dollar they're [TS]

  basically doing it to be mean because [TS]

  they're not nice people right and I [TS]

  simply don't believe it I simply don't [TS]

  believe Apple as a corporation or most [TS]

  corporations for that matter are doing [TS]

  things out of cruelty sometimes there [TS]

  are incentives to do things like for [TS]

  example you know making making people [TS]

  work in dangerous conditions in mines [TS]

  because that's the way you get the gold [TS]

  out or whatever like the corporation is [TS]

  incentivized to damage its workers in [TS]

  that case but in particular case of [TS]

  underage workers I think there is no [TS]

  incentive for Apple to do that working [TS]

  hours on the other hand there is an [TS]

  incentive and that incentive is you get [TS]

  more production at it right so there is [TS]

  some corporate incentive to make people [TS]

  work too long and that is a more complex [TS]

  issue as I think the person when when [TS]

  this American life did a later episode [TS]

  there was a retraction because of the [TS]

  fact that many of these things were [TS]

  fabricated in the retraction episode [TS]

  they had a reporter from the New York [TS]

  Times come on and he talked about the [TS]

  overtime issue and said it's actually [TS]

  more complex because the worker is like [TS]

  many work [TS]

  who are hourly they want some overtime [TS]

  because you get you know it's good to [TS]

  have overtime you get more money right [TS]

  and the so it's not as if you could say [TS]

  oh they're making the workers work too [TS]

  much these workers should never have to [TS]

  work overtime no they wouldn't be happy [TS]

  with that but on the other hand the work [TS]

  some of the workers say that you do not [TS]

  accept the overtime that they give you [TS]

  any overtime and all over time they'll [TS]

  say okay well I guess you're just not [TS]

  interested in overtime I'll give it to [TS]

  someone else and that's bad because it's [TS]

  like if you don't if I don't do overtime [TS]

  every time you ask me to do it I don't [TS]

  get any overtime so that's a situation [TS]

  where Apple's corporate interests may [TS]

  not be aligning with the you know what [TS]

  we think is right and just [TS]

  so Mike Daisey if you listen to him on [TS]

  that show is obviously a serial [TS]

  fabricator and cannot bring himself to [TS]

  he he continues to tell himself this [TS]

  story about him rioting and injustice [TS]

  with all tools at his disposal and never [TS]

  wants to at least on the show never [TS]

  wants to examine like why do I feel only [TS]

  need to lie about this why did I [TS]

  manufacture these things I think he [TS]

  could have had just as dramatic and [TS]

  effective a show he didn't make up stuff [TS]

  is the the things that we know they're [TS]

  happening there are real and you don't [TS]

  need to say oh I was there I saw it it [TS]

  happened to me within a six day period [TS]

  for it to be dramatic like you can you [TS]

  can do one or two things you can either [TS]

  talk about the things that happen even [TS]

  though you weren't there [TS]

  in a dramatic fashion or you can simply [TS]

  say this is a dramatization and this [TS]

  didn't really happen to me but it could [TS]

  have because we've you know to me like I [TS]

  don't think a dramatization is any less [TS]

  moving or powerful to say all the things [TS]

  that are in this dramatization have [TS]

  happened but the characters and people [TS]

  energy fictional including me and I'm [TS]

  gonna include myself in it both of those [TS]

  ways were perfectly valid ways out but [TS]

  he just he he chose to lie about it and [TS]

  even when caught in the lie content you [TS]

  know just says you know adds lies on top [TS]

  of lies and he comes down in degrees [TS]

  like well okay that was lie but really I [TS]

  did see that person okay well I didn't [TS]

  see that person but someone else or that [TS]

  person or maybe that person was maybe my [TS]

  translator is distract and she didn't [TS]

  see me meeting with those people just [TS]

  always ratcheting down and bargaining he [TS]

  never gets caught in a line can never [TS]

  just admit that he was lying so he is [TS]

  not a good person and I don't like him [TS]

  and I don't like his show and I never [TS]

  did and I think it was awful uh so [TS]

  that's my [TS]

  that's my [TS]

  Daisy I never brought him up because I [TS]

  didn't want to talk about him [TS]

  specifically because I think it's a [TS]

  waste of time hmm I don't even think he [TS]

  what he does in terms of raising [TS]

  awareness is well I think that the long [TS]

  series of New York Times articles was a [TS]

  much more powerful way to to effect [TS]

  change in this area and to apply [TS]

  pressure to Apple because I really think [TS]

  Apple cares more about multi-day [TS]

  front-page stories from the New York [TS]

  Times than it does about a one-man show [TS]

  about Steve Jobs and if anything him [TS]

  coming out with these fabrications and [TS]

  everything lessens is cause because now [TS]

  people anytime we hear anything about [TS]

  China and Apple is all like oh you know [TS]

  I heard those were all debunked even [TS]

  though those things still continue to [TS]

  happen because this guy had to lie about [TS]

  a bunch of stuff that didn't happen to [TS]

  him now that's out in the air so that's [TS]

  a big mess so I think he's bad but the [TS]

  larger point about Apple in China uh I [TS]

  upon China one of my old shows but I [TS]

  never actually got to the larger point I [TS]

  want to make about app on China is that [TS]

  I question [TS]

  I'm sure this comes up in most things [TS]

  but this is the main concern in my mind [TS]

  I question how much control Apple really [TS]

  has over what happens in China the two [TS]

  sides of this are one Apple is the [TS]

  biggest customer they're the biggest [TS]

  company in the whole world they've got [TS]

  these manufacturers on the string these [TS]

  manufacturers are killing themselves to [TS]

  compete for Apple's business if Apple [TS]

  says jump they're going to ask how high [TS]

  Apple can make anything happen and the [TS]

  other side of this is Apple can't [TS]

  control what goes on in China Apple is [TS]

  not Foxconn you know this there's no way [TS]

  Apple can make things happen in China [TS]

  and in that continuum I've more on the [TS]

  side that Apple's ability to affect [TS]

  change in China is extremely limited I [TS]

  don't doubt that all these manufacturers [TS]

  will will you know tell you know Apple [TS]

  will say jump and they will say how high [TS]

  mr. Apple whatever you want they are [TS]

  really killing themselves rappers [TS]

  business is a prestige business there's [TS]

  lots of volume it just has many positive [TS]

  effects these companies they want apples [TS]

  business and they're just get you in [TS]

  those meetings with Apple that's why [TS]

  Apple negotiate such great deals with [TS]

  them because Apple is in a strong [TS]

  negotiating position but I also believe [TS]

  those companies will say anything to get [TS]

  the contract and then we'll do whatever [TS]

  the hell they [TS]

  they will try to get away whatever they [TS]

  can get away with if Apple says we're [TS]

  going to have random inspections and [TS]

  stuff I guess it's all about all yes [TS]

  Apple ID we're doing everything you say [TS]

  and then totally lying through your [TS]

  teeth and doing the opposite exploiting [TS]

  workers making them work overtime hiring [TS]

  on everything everything that these [TS]

  companies have been accused of I feel [TS]

  like they are doing simply because [TS]

  corruption is rampant in China in [TS]

  general there is no great oversight and [TS]

  it's not a free country where you can [TS]

  have this type of oversight on top of [TS]

  everything the manufacturers and the [TS]

  Chinese government itself is not [TS]

  incentivized to do what Apple says [TS]

  they're incentivized to make Apple think [TS]

  they're doing what they say and maybe [TS]

  sometimes the easiest way to do that is [TS]

  to actually do what they say but I think [TS]

  these these people are not acting in [TS]

  good faith and Apple's own reports about [TS]

  how the compliance shows that over years [TS]

  and years their compliance is not really [TS]

  getting much better and that's with [TS]

  apples inspections I don't even think [TS]

  apples inspections or even finding all [TS]

  the problems that are there because I [TS]

  think these companies are excellent at [TS]

  hiding the things that they're doing [TS]

  wrong uh and so what do you do if you're [TS]

  a ballif you know you have these [TS]

  manufacturers that are out there do you [TS]

  really want them to do the right thing [TS]

  you have this code of conduct and [TS]

  they're just simply not complying and [TS]

  you say well just don't manufacture in [TS]

  China and you know manufacturing the [TS]

  United States and said as many people [TS]

  have talked about on various programs [TS]

  and in the New York Times it's not just [TS]

  the cost of labor it's not like oh if [TS]

  you had to pay American workers it would [TS]

  cost more it's the supply chains that [TS]

  all the manufacturers are in the same [TS]

  place it's that all the factories are in [TS]

  geographically in the same place so all [TS]

  the parts are together so you don't have [TS]

  to wait two weeks or something to go on [TS]

  a boat to get to you if Apple were to [TS]

  move all this Manufacturing's United [TS]

  States so we just bumped across your [TS]

  iPhone 20% first of all even that would [TS]

  be untenable because people would scream [TS]

  bloody murder and their sales would go [TS]

  down their share would go down the stock [TS]

  price will go down would be bad but even [TS]

  ignoring that it would be a competitive [TS]

  disadvantage to them because all their [TS]

  stuff would be someplace else and by the [TS]

  way if you just moved the final assembly [TS]

  the United States it still means all the [TS]

  people making all the widgets in China [TS]

  are still being exploited or whatever so [TS]

  I think Apple is doing the right thing [TS]

  here it's not saying well forget we have [TS]

  the right off China entirely because [TS]

  these guys lied to us and they're not [TS]

  being compliant so we have to do [TS]

  something else we're going to [TS]

  manufacture every single piece of this [TS]

  the United States at tremendous cost and [TS]

  triple the cost of our phones or [TS]

  whatever and again it's not the labor [TS]

  it's it's the [TS]

  factories and the staffing and the [TS]

  people who oversee the factories and [TS]

  hiring all those people [TS]

  it's a logistics nightmare that's just [TS]

  you know even if you said everything [TS]

  comes to the United States and you just [TS]

  pick one state and everyone flocks to [TS]

  that state you need thousands and [TS]

  thousands of highly qualified [TS]

  manufacturing engineers who don't even [TS]

  exist in the United States or exist and [TS]

  are employed and you have to make them [TS]

  all quit their jobs and it's just you [TS]

  have to get these factories they have to [TS]

  be built and they cost billions of [TS]

  dollars to build it's not like you can [TS]

  just you know make snap your fingers and [TS]

  they appear it's just simply not [TS]

  possible to move all that stuff that's [TS]

  there that took decades to build up and [TS]

  move it here they have the people they [TS]

  have the expertise they're all [TS]

  geographically located near each other [TS]

  so moving manufacturing out of China [TS]

  does not seem like an option to me and [TS]

  the only option is to try to work with [TS]

  the Chinese to say geez we'd really like [TS]

  you to comply with these labor [TS]

  restrictions that we have and we'd [TS]

  really like it if you didn't lie to us [TS]

  and we really like it if our random [TS]

  inspections were really random and if [TS]

  year-over-year you got better and I [TS]

  think Apple is applying pressure there [TS]

  but what can Apple do short of firing [TS]

  them that's their like Apple can't can't [TS]

  you know Apple can move its business [TS]

  elsewhere to another company that does [TS]

  exactly the same things in China with [TS]

  just you know it's not that that's [TS]

  that's all it can do to punish somebody [TS]

  is to put the business elsewhere and [TS]

  Apple does spread its business around [TS]

  like some of it is what with money [TS]

  manufacture some with another mostly [TS]

  just for redundancy and to end to [TS]

  protect itself I really don't know what [TS]

  Apple can do to be 100 percent sure that [TS]

  it's really causing them to change their [TS]

  ways and I feel for Apple in this regard [TS]

  because they're big they're between a [TS]

  rock and a hard place because I really [TS]

  believe the Apple not because they're [TS]

  altruistic but just from a business [TS]

  perspective Apple does not want this [TS]

  stuff to go on they don't want people [TS]

  working they send me lines till they die [TS]

  they don't want underaged people working [TS]

  there because it's all downside not [TS]

  upside there's plenty of able-bodied [TS]

  people there don't pay them overtime put [TS]

  it in a different worker on a different [TS]

  shift and pay them normal time you know [TS]

  like it but know there's some people in [TS]

  the New York Times thing on this [TS]

  American life that the guy was saying [TS]

  that Apple brings us on by negotiating [TS]

  such harsh deals with the manufacturers [TS]

  so there's been so little profit left [TS]

  for them they have to cut corners to [TS]

  make their money again I say that's on [TS]

  the manufacturers don't put in a bid [TS]

  that you know you will have to exploit [TS]

  your workers to [TS]

  ah to comply with the terms of and and [TS]

  what can I do there say look if you're [TS]

  bidding you have to comply with our code [TS]

  of conduct so keep that in mind and say [TS]

  yes yes oh yeah we'll definitely comply [TS]

  here's our bid and so they pick the [TS]

  lowest bidder who has the best quality [TS]

  standards and produces the best stuff [TS]

  and then those people exploit their [TS]

  workers and it's like well I you know [TS]

  all right you've lost the deal because [TS]

  you're not being compliant I'm gonna go [TS]

  to the next guy and the next guy does [TS]

  the same thing [TS]

  I I think Apple this is a problem needs [TS]

  to be addressed but I think Apple's [TS]

  ability to make other companies in China [TS]

  like literally make them do stuff is [TS]

  very limited and I don't know the [TS]

  details of what they could be doing [TS]

  better or what they're not doing enough [TS]

  or how they can change the situation but [TS]

  I think it would be much easier to get [TS]

  compliance from an American company [TS]

  simply because it's in America which is [TS]

  slightly less corrupt than China [TS]

  slightly and and all the same laws apply [TS]

  and you'd be closer to them as just I [TS]

  know so that's where I come down in the [TS]

  app won't try anything I think [TS]

  everything that's happening there is bad [TS]

  uh but I'm I don't know enough to say [TS]

  how much more Apple could be doing but I [TS]

  do I do think their ability to snap [TS]

  their fingers and make everything comply [TS]

  it's not as bad and by the way the meta [TS]

  point on this is that I think the people [TS]

  who manufacture our underwear are [TS]

  probably in way worse conditions like [TS]

  textile manufacturing like everything [TS]

  that we have this in our countries [TS]

  manufactured in some third-world country [TS]

  by workers that are horribly exploited [TS]

  yeah but you know what I don't think [TS]

  that people in general are holding the [TS]

  sweatshops that make our clothing in [TS]

  especially high regard and talking about [TS]

  how life-changing you know their sweater [TS]

  is and almost worshipping the company [TS]

  that made their sweater I'm not saying [TS]

  people don't but I'm saying that that [TS]

  the Apple is in receipt of great [TS]

  adoration and admiration by a lot of [TS]

  people and and here it you know it for [TS]

  whatever reason and I'm sure there's a [TS]

  there's a term for this II can remind me [TS]

  of but people everywhere love to see [TS]

  something that is successful exposed [TS]

  even if it's a company that they love [TS]

  it's it's quite exciting to find great [TS]

  fault and some magical mysterious [TS]

  Achilles heel [TS]

  exposed and say oh this company you [TS]

  thought was good that seemed to be doing [TS]

  so much good whether it is or not I got [TS]

  there really bad because look at this [TS]

  that they knew about and they hit it and [TS]

  they're really are you know they're [TS]

  really evil and all along we thought [TS]

  they were good and everything you [TS]

  believed was wrong you know it's man [TS]

  bites dog vs. dog bites man one is a [TS]

  story one's not so once you've got a [TS]

  some company that everyone admires the [TS]

  story is that it's something bad once [TS]

  you've got if you've got a company [TS]

  that's an underdog the story is that [TS]

  actually they're good so yeah that flips [TS]

  when you ever you become a leader and [TS]

  and by the way the thing this is where [TS]

  this gets all hung up and I'll bring in [TS]

  a vaguely political thing here as an [TS]

  example because it's the example I [TS]

  always think of the Iraq war going into [TS]

  Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein one of [TS]

  the big arguments against that even when [TS]

  we thought all the evidence being [TS]

  presented was actually true and we [TS]

  didn't know any better but even even if [TS]

  you were to accept the evidence is true [TS]

  you would say well alright so Saddam [TS]

  Hussein's a bad person who does bad [TS]

  things to his people and this actually [TS]

  was true uh if we get rid of him like [TS]

  now we got it what do we got to get to [TS]

  get rid of everybody uh what is the new [TS]

  US policy every to every place every [TS]

  country that has a bad leader we go in [TS]

  and overthrow that leader and put in a [TS]

  new one and fix the countries that's not [TS]

  a tenable policy and I never found that [TS]

  a compelling arguments against going in [TS]

  there are many other much more [TS]

  compelling arguments against going in [TS]

  but that particular argument was yes [TS]

  doing this would be good but there are [TS]

  many other things that are just as bad [TS]

  and if we don't fix all of them it's not [TS]

  worth fixing one so that's the argument [TS]

  kind of like the people who make my [TS]

  underwear are are working in horrible [TS]

  conditions therefore we shouldn't fix [TS]

  working conditions in China there are [TS]

  there are situations in the world where [TS]

  the same bad thing is happening in many [TS]

  different places and fixing one of them [TS]

  is still good even if you can't fix all [TS]

  the other ones so anyone you know this [TS]

  comes up all the time and argument stuff [TS]

  anyways it was probably a term for this [TS]

  but I don't know what either that we [TS]

  shouldn't do this because if you do this [TS]

  and you don't do that same thing in [TS]

  these ten other places [TS]

  that's like hypocritical and you [TS]

  shouldn't do that be doing one good [TS]

  thing is better than doing zero good [TS]

  things so I don't think the fact that [TS]

  everyone who manufactures all of our [TS]

  stuff is working in conditions that no [TS]

  American would want are picking our [TS]

  fruit for that matter anything even in [TS]

  this country how this country [TS]

  those workers who have it worse than we [TS]

  do addressing one of those situations is [TS]

  is not something we shouldn't do because [TS]

  well if you address that one there's [TS]

  still all these other people what about [TS]

  the people that pick the strawberries [TS]

  what about the people that make the [TS]

  t-shirts what about the people be [TS]

  assembled in Nikes but that's true of [TS]

  all those people ah but if we can fix it [TS]

  in one place I think China is a good [TS]

  place to try simply because they are so [TS]

  clearly like on their road to middle [TS]

  class like you know China 50 years ago [TS]

  people are on farms right and mud huts [TS]

  or whatever and now they're working in a [TS]

  factory where the working conditions are [TS]

  something that no American would want [TS]

  but it's you know and I'm not even gonna [TS]

  say they're happier than they were when [TS]

  they were on the farms but it's clearly [TS]

  on the path you can see the progression [TS]

  for that to living in the city to out [TS]

  you know saving some money to your kids [TS]

  having a better life than you do we've [TS]

  all any industrialized country sort of [TS]

  been through this and gone through their [TS]

  own sort of industrial resolution where [TS]

  the kids are getting ground-up into the [TS]

  meat and being put in cans and the [TS]

  triangle shirt factory fire and all [TS]

  starts right you know like every country [TS]

  has gone through this and it is painful [TS]

  us to see like look we already went [TS]

  through and we were kind of the first [TS]

  ones us in England and you know the [TS]

  first world quote-unquote so like we we [TS]

  know where the ending is come with us [TS]

  we'll skip B to the end but it seems [TS]

  like it's very difficult to get these [TS]

  other countries to skip to the end but [TS]

  China at least like there's a rising [TS]

  certainly a rising upper class of the [TS]

  crazy rich people in China but there is [TS]

  a rising middle class but like lower [TS]

  middle class or whatever so it's [TS]

  probably easier to get something to [TS]

  happen in China than it is like go to [TS]

  Bangladesh or something and try to get [TS]

  those people to skip from I literally [TS]

  looking in mud huts to you know having a [TS]

  car in an iPhone themselves so it's [TS]

  basically you know this as you pointed [TS]

  out this is a story because it's a man [TS]

  by dog story and just things make good [TS]

  stories when they're you know when it's [TS]

  unexpected or the opposite of what you [TS]

  would expect so the company that makes [TS]

  the expensive products that everybody [TS]

  loves that everyone thinks is great [TS]

  they're manufactured into a rural [TS]

  country same thing with Nike by the way [TS]

  because Nike had a such image back in [TS]

  the Michael Jordan days it's like but [TS]

  did you know these Nike shoes are [TS]

  manufactured by poor people and horrible [TS]

  conditions which is all true [TS]

  that's why that's a story but it's this [TS]

  is like a this is a world problem it's [TS]

  not not an apple problem it's not [TS]

  technology problem it's not a China [TS]

  problem this is a world problem that [TS]

  there's any quality and wealth in the [TS]

  world and on every possible level in [TS]

  every pot even within the country you [TS]

  know that this this problem exists so [TS]

  this story quickly becomes so large the [TS]

  people tend to just not want to think [TS]

  about it so I think it's good that there [TS]

  has that and for the record I mean you [TS]

  know Apple it you can read about what [TS]

  Apple's doing Apple's trying to make it [TS]

  better [TS]

  some companies aren't trying to make it [TS]

  better now I don't know if anybody is [TS]

  not I think every company is motivated [TS]

  to try it's it's I think it's right to [TS]

  question like why didn't Apple dress the [TS]

  Sun around why they only doing it it [TS]

  seemingly only doing it in response to [TS]

  bad press starting in like 2003 early [TS]

  2000s or whatever this is how the system [TS]

  is supposed to work the press finds [TS]

  things that are bad companies respond to [TS]

  of is that all at bad press this is an [TS]

  example of you know this companies are [TS]

  motivated to just make as much money as [TS]

  they can even if they are altruistic [TS]

  it's very easy to slip into doing things [TS]

  that are bad and the press is a [TS]

  counterbalance of that the press in [TS]

  China perhaps less so because they're [TS]

  not quite as free as they are here to [TS]

  write whatever they want about anybody [TS]

  so they out the whole of China I think [TS]

  when we did discuss this briefly I said [TS]

  that China is due for a giant bloody [TS]

  revolution because you simply cannot go [TS]

  from an agrarian society to the first [TS]

  world while maintaining a dictatorship [TS]

  communist dictatorship government the [TS]

  whole way through something's going to [TS]

  happen there and I think it will be [TS]

  nasty right and bad for everybody [TS]

  including all of us who want our goods [TS]

  manufactured cheaply in China would you [TS]

  like to do our last sponsor that's a [TS]

  good idea what would you like to do it [TS]

  how do I do it as a BBEdit [TS]

  it is I can't I don't have nothing to [TS]

  read about BBEdit but your mom you've [TS]

  used BBEdit longer I think even than [TS]

  John Gruber which is longer than anybody [TS]

  else that I know yeah every working day [TS]

  of my life including when I was working [TS]

  almost full-time in my last year of [TS]

  college I would go to work every day sit [TS]

  down in front of a Macintosh brand [TS]

  computer and type into BBEdit and long [TS]

  before I was working I was using BBEdit [TS]

  on my you know for did you do to my work [TS]

  to do everything that having to do with [TS]

  my schoolwork I've used BBEdit since [TS]

  probably version to 2.5 ish somewhere [TS]

  maybe 2.5 it is by far my favorite text [TS]

  editor on any system and yes I've used [TS]

  the Emacs and VI and VI m or vim if [TS]

  you're nasty [TS]

  and it literally had still has more like [TS]

  Emacs has more features than I have ever [TS]

  seen there are still features in beabea [TS]

  that I do not know exist that I discover [TS]

  I think only like a few years ago I [TS]

  discovered that BB edit has multiple [TS]

  clipboards in the application I'd used [TS]

  it for at that point like a decade and a [TS]

  half and I didn't know that and to this [TS]

  day I didn't know that did you know it [TS]

  has his own native support for multiple [TS]

  clipboards and the best time to find [TS]

  this is when I found was like this [TS]

  before I had a system-wide a global [TS]

  clipboard manager on then like you [TS]

  copied something but then you copied [TS]

  something else and you over wrote the [TS]

  thing that you copy like oh no I lost [TS]

  that data no you didn't it's actually be [TS]

  beheaded he kept track of it and bring [TS]

  up the clipboard window hit ctrl left [TS]

  hour or whatever it is to go back to the [TS]

  clipboard history and there it is best [TS]

  moment ever and bb-8 is full of things [TS]

  like that and for an application that's [TS]

  been around as long as BBEdit has they [TS]

  continue to modernize it continue to [TS]

  update it they they recently redesigned [TS]

  their Preferences window which had been [TS]

  the same forever you know everything [TS]

  about this applications like Photoshop [TS]

  cs6 it continues to evolve don't think [TS]

  this is an application you're going to [TS]

  load it and think this looks like it was [TS]

  made in 1992 it doesn't it looks like a [TS]

  modern application and it gets more [TS]

  modern everyday reshuffling where things [TS]

  are adding support things like Dropbox [TS]

  where you can put your application [TS]

  support folder in the Dropbox folder and [TS]

  all your scripts and customizations or [TS]

  syncs between them it's like iCloud [TS]

  before iCloud so I cannot recommend [TS]

  BBEdit enough anybody who's any text [TS]

  editing on the Mac even if you say oh [TS]

  well I like to write in like by word or [TS]

  something where you write your prose or [TS]

  whatever there is a role for BBEdit in [TS]

  everybody's life even if you're not a [TS]

  programmer for just a plain text better [TS]

  people don't know what a text editor is [TS]

  it's a text editor it's not styled text [TS]

  it's not page layout it is literally for [TS]

  doing text and and if any of you are a [TS]

  programmer or something you could [TS]

  definitely have this it will handle your [TS]

  giant 10 megabyte Apache log files you [TS]

  can search through them into search or [TS]

  in place you can process the lines sort [TS]

  the lines for a full perl grep regular [TS]

  expressions support it is power tool for [TS]

  text I don't know what the actual ad [TS]

  copy is for BBEdit but I cannot [TS]

  recommend this product highly enough [TS]

  it's better than in the ad copy I have [TS]

  thank you John so you can go to BB edit [TS]

  comm you can go to bare-bones comm and [TS]

  you can download a free trial [TS]

  which is what I recommend you do it's [TS]

  really the best way to get an idea for [TS]

  you can buy right there on the site you [TS]

  know what it's only it's only 50 bucks [TS]

  yeah I can't believe that I've been [TS]

  buying BBEdit since it was like triple [TS]

  digit prices like SBB I used to be much [TS]

  more expensive and I guess since like [TS]

  the advent of the Mac App Store and the [TS]

  readjustment of pricing I don't know [TS]

  what it is that caused the prices to go [TS]

  down it used to be like you do an [TS]

  upgrade for like 70 bucks like if you [TS]

  bought it you bought it for 125 or 130 [TS]

  and then like oh I get to upgrade to the [TS]

  next major version 417 you feel like it [TS]

  was a great deal I get the next version [TS]

  for only 70 bucks I don't have to buy it [TS]

  again for 120 now you get the whole [TS]

  thing out ride for 50 bucks [TS]

  it is unbelievably cheap unbelievably [TS]

  cheap then get it there you can get in [TS]

  the App Store to search for bebe in it [TS]

  so try it out yeah and it's made in [TS]

  America [TS]

  well Rhode Island I mean America I don't [TS]

  know if that counts a little bit a [TS]

  little bit more more it's more America [TS]

  than Florida for sure yeah I guess [TS]

  that's all I had for my stuff here what [TS]

  have you got for me well you know I was [TS]

  thinking about it all week long and I [TS]

  actually was gonna spray if you hadn't [TS]

  talked about the Mike Daisey thing that [TS]

  was going to be the thing that I was [TS]

  going to spring on you know no you did [TS]

  you hit it so that was a you know on my [TS]

  list of big topics for the week I was [TS]

  wondering if you wanted to go into a [TS]

  little bit of detail at all well I don't [TS]

  know if I have time for it about the [TS]

  progressive jpg thing the thing that [TS]

  Duncan Davison just put up yeah [TS]

  basically he he discovered that there [TS]

  are some issues where you know of course [TS]

  you and we have time for this we say for [TS]

  that why don't we save it for the next [TS]

  show for the next show [TS]

  but that's a big topic a whole table [TS]

  well it can I have only read a little [TS]

  bit about this at least tell me this if [TS]

  you've read more than I have has bit [TS]

  been determined to anyone in [TS]

  satisfaction whether this is a bug or a [TS]

  decision it seems at least from what I [TS]

  read and I'll tell you what I'll go [TS]

  ahead and I'll put this into the show [TS]

  notes so people who want to get a [TS]

  jumpstart [TS]

  and learn more about what we're talking [TS]

  about a friend of a friend of mine James [TS]

  Duncan Davidson he's a photographer [TS]

  he was very curious about getting things [TS]

  to look good photographs in particular [TS]

  getting them to look good [TS]

  on the retina display because obviously [TS]

  if you have just a regular exported for [TS]

  the web style image 72 dpi type image [TS]

  it's it might not look that great on the [TS]

  retina display when you're browsing [TS]

  around on the web so yes you can you can [TS]

  double the size of the image which is [TS]

  the technique that many you know [TS]

  designers and developers have done but [TS]

  it turns out that there's a WebKit limit [TS]

  on retina JPEG images and he ran into [TS]

  this and he he goes into great detail [TS]

  explaining these different tests and [TS]

  what's actually happening but the [TS]

  interesting part is what happens if you [TS]

  pixel double an image that gets too big [TS]

  it doesn't actually display it properly [TS]

  at all so there's there's a whole [TS]

  conversation about this but what what [TS]

  the answer is apparently is that you [TS]

  need to use a progressive jpg in order [TS]

  to make things work correctly and he [TS]

  says okay he says rotate to landscape [TS]

  orientation and tap the image and wait [TS]

  for a second or three and maybe a bit [TS]

  longer for the high-res image to load he [TS]

  says and then here is an image that [TS]

  looks you know amazing and and looks [TS]

  really good on the retina display [TS]

  compared to the other one and anyway [TS]

  this is a topic I'd like for you to [TS]

  weigh in on but maybe I can do a little [TS]

  homework first yeah I think right now I [TS]

  know but it seems like a bug because the [TS]

  fact that it works with pings and [TS]

  doesn't work with JPEGs but works to [TS]

  progressive jpgs I think I saw one of [TS]

  the report of saying like it's actually [TS]

  not a hard size limit if you go above [TS]

  that limit but your multiple 16 in one [TS]

  dimension that it works oh that that [TS]

  does sound like it does this all sounds [TS]

  like a bug but I think the the meta [TS]

  problem is so you got these double res [TS]

  displays now we've had it for a while in [TS]

  the iPhone [TS]

  now we have it on the iPad and for some [TS]

  reason when it was on the iPhone people [TS]

  weren't so concerned about like oh you [TS]

  got to put double size images on your [TS]

  web pages all look bad but from what [TS]

  I've seen I haven't seen still haven't [TS]

  seen an iPad 3 in person but from what [TS]

  I've seen people taking pictures of it [TS]

  it really is true that if you take a 9 [TS]

  retina image like a regular image that's [TS]

  supposed to show as 500 by 5 inches on [TS]

  an iPad 2 and you show that exactly the [TS]

  same size 5 inches by 5 inches on an [TS]

  iPad 3 without increasing the resolution [TS]

  any and it may Purcell for example for [TS]

  every pixel on the iPad 2 screen 4 [TS]

  pixels appear on the iPad 3 screen it [TS]

  really does look worse ones pictures [TS]

  anyway I haven't seen in person and it [TS]

  seems counter trip like isn't it exactly [TS]

  the same thing what do I care if it's [TS]

  for white pixels versus one white pixel [TS]

  shouldn't they look exactly the same [TS]

  like how could it possibly look worse [TS]

  it's not worse the exact same amount of [TS]

  information is being fed to the browser [TS]

  and on the screen those 4 pixels are [TS]

  exactly the same size as the one pixel [TS]

  why does it look worse my theories [TS]

  having not seen this in person my theory [TS]

  is that it looks worse because one white [TS]

  pixel when you do the ratio of how much [TS]

  of the area of that one white pixel [TS]

  emits light versus how much doesn't emit [TS]

  light on the retina display there's more [TS]

  non light-emitting areas you've got the [TS]

  decreases you know the lower of gaps [TS]

  between each pixel and the gaps between [TS]

  the pixels there and that's why I'm [TS]

  theorizing that it does look worse but [TS]

  in all the pictures people have taken [TS]

  photos of their iPad 2 and 3 screens [TS]

  it's dramatic the difference between the [TS]

  same exact picture on the 3 & 2 screen [TS]

  when you don't have something that has [TS]

  added information for the Retina display [TS]

  perhaps just as dramatic if you do have [TS]

  Retina information than the iPad 2 [TS]

  screen looks like crap so suddenly [TS]

  people are very very motivated to get [TS]

  good looking images in and the browser [TS]

  WebKit and Safari report to the browser [TS]

  that the screen is exactly the same size [TS]

  as the iPad 2 so it's not as if you know [TS]

  you can do detection and say ah you know [TS]

  it's that's why it displays them in that [TS]

  blurry type fashion it says up you know [TS]

  400 pixels I will show it an 800 pixels [TS]

  but don't tell anyone I'm still it's [TS]

  still 400 pixels here yeah to the quick [TS]

  one if you want to do that I think it [TS]

  was a webpage that reference this was [TS]

  just just give it the 800 pixel image [TS]

  but in the image tag put this the demo [TS]

  the width and height is 400 yeah that's [TS]

  the most barbaric way to just at least [TS]

  get this to worse but then you're [TS]

  feeding everybody a double size image [TS]

  whether they need it or not I mean you [TS]

  could do this for years I remember back [TS]

  in the day that practice was heavily [TS]

  frowned upon dear [TS]

  member why that practice was ever leave [TS]

  around because bandwidth was such a [TS]

  commodity and everybody's connection was [TS]

  so slow so you'd be sending them an [TS]

  image that was way bigger than anybody [TS]

  could ever hope to display and we were [TS]

  costing them time and money in the [TS]

  process but the biggest reason you know [TS]

  that was true that we're talking about [TS]

  we're talking big we're talking about [TS]

  like oh you are you sending a 400 by 500 [TS]

  image that's too big you can't wait to [TS]

  use this thing but the the main reason [TS]

  that I always avoided in the my web [TS]

  pages was because in Internet Explorer [TS]

  they were using like nearest-neighbor [TS]

  scaling and it looked all at dalek IE so [TS]

  like the Mac versions would always scale [TS]

  you know you you would have a page of [TS]

  thumbnails and all those thumbnails [TS]

  would actually be the full-sized [TS]

  versions but width and height set [TS]

  differently on the image tags and yeah [TS]

  it'll be a big bandwidth hog and you [TS]

  know you take a while to download but at [TS]

  least the Mac would shrink them and do a [TS]

  reasonable job of shrinking them but on [TS]

  IE they would look like these scrambled [TS]

  pieces a mess it was just untenable as a [TS]

  web practice because everyone was using [TS]

  high E and ie refused to scale nowadays [TS]

  all browsers pretty much scale images in [TS]

  a way that wouldn't make you embarrassed [TS]

  to have it on your web page so you could [TS]

  in theory serve up at you know an 800 by [TS]

  407 height to you know 400 by 200 and [TS]

  but the only thing you're doing there is [TS]

  you're still wasting bandwidth and now [TS]

  that images are so much larger the [TS]

  bandwidth is still concerned because [TS]

  suddenly the big version our images are [TS]

  really humongous Peschel ii-if it's a [TS]

  ping and something that doesn't have as [TS]

  much lossy compression as a JPEG or [TS]

  something that's a lot of extra [TS]

  bandwidth that you're feeding especially [TS]

  to mobile people so there are various [TS]

  ways to get around that of course you [TS]

  can use JavaScript if you wanna do [TS]

  anything with JavaScript you can also [TS]

  use CSS media queries to say serve you [TS]

  know to not set the image in the image [TS]

  tag but set it as a background image [TS]

  product property and then use media [TS]

  queries to select the what is it like [TS]

  WebKit resolution this this various a [TS]

  vendor specific media queries that you [TS]

  can do within the CSS and say only apply [TS]

  this rule if screen has a has this [TS]

  particular pixel density or this these [TS]

  dimensions or whatever and then ah it [TS]

  only loads the image appropriate for [TS]

  that particular screen but it's tricky [TS]

  if not as simple as just changing [TS]

  something inside the gen image tag you [TS]

  they have to use CSS or you have to use [TS]

  JavaScript and both of them have little [TS]

  peak area peculiarities about them I [TS]

  wonder if this is like a transitional [TS]

  period where like we're worried [TS]

  about these things but eventually like [TS]

  wouldn't you assume eventually that all [TS]

  screens will be a similar density [TS]

  they'll all be around 260 300 pixels per [TS]

  inch for some period of time yeah maybe [TS]

  I maybe I'm naive thinking that but it [TS]

  seems to me that will eventually happen [TS]

  and then it won't be you know then it [TS]

  won't be a matter of oh I gotta figure [TS]

  out what I have to serve to what device [TS]

  or whatever we'll just always be serving [TS]

  the high-density one because everything [TS]

  is high-density like one you're it's [TS]

  kind of weird that it started with the [TS]

  phone but like your phone was the [TS]

  highest density square we had and now [TS]

  it's your iPad eventually it will come [TS]

  to the Mac it's coming the opposite [TS]

  direction that people thought to like Oh [TS]

  technology will trickle down from the PC [TS]

  sort of like people say technology [TS]

  trickles down from PC gaming to console [TS]

  gaming well this advanced technology [TS]

  will triple down for the PC into our our [TS]

  tablets and eventually into our phones [TS]

  nope it's going to reverse on our phone [TS]

  first then it makes sense from a screen [TS]

  manufacturing perspective because the [TS]

  fancy of the screen the harder it is to [TS]

  make it big so you can make that screen [TS]

  it's super high density first that's [TS]

  much easier than making a panel that's [TS]

  you know eight times as big and then [TS]

  going all the up to a thirty-year screen [TS]

  so that's how we're going but I assume [TS]

  eventually this won't be an issue simply [TS]

  because all of our screens will be [TS]

  around this density and then maybe we'll [TS]

  have a nice calm period and then they'll [TS]

  go up to like sixteen hundred dots per [TS]

  inch or something when we're old and [TS]

  gray yeah this is this is a time a time [TS]

  of bugs let's call it I'm calling this [TS]

  one a bug for now and I'm assuming it [TS]

  will be addressed in some way but even [TS]

  without the bugs there are things web [TS]

  developers as always as always there are [TS]

  things web develop new things Web Design [TS]

  to continue to practice their craft at [TS]

  the top level that's always been the [TS]

  case [TS]

  dentally god that's all I got did we get [TS]

  out that's not a bad one I'm way short [TS]

  unusual there you go I follow people [TS]

  people who didn't get enough of you can [TS]

  always follow you on twitter Syracuse si [TS]

  RA CU s a they can read your 85 page [TS]

  review of Mac OS 10 lion at ARS technica [TS]

  and your other pieces there and you can [TS]

  hear all the previous episodes of this [TS]

  show going to five by five TV slash [TS]

  hypercritical you'll notice that all of [TS]

  the links and things that were discussed [TS]

  during this show were carefully [TS]

  collected and organized by John and you [TS]

  can find those there in the show notes [TS]

  just click on the episode in particular [TS]

  this one's episode 60 we want to say [TS]

  thanks to the guys at help spot.com the [TS]

  best help this software in the business [TS]

  for sponsoring that and I'm Dan benjamin [TS]

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