55: Region of Pain


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  ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

  the world of Apple related technologies [TS]

  and businesses nothing is so perfect [TS]

  that it can't be complained about by my [TS]

  co-host John siracusa i'm dan benjamin [TS]

  today is Friday February 17th 2012 this [TS]

  is episode number 55 we would like to [TS]

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  for very special deals happy Friday to [TS]

  you mr. John siracusa happy Friday to [TS]

  you Dan why thank you [TS]

  have you already begun writing your [TS]

  review of mountain lion didn't we talk [TS]

  about my writing process once I don't [TS]

  begin writing writing but I've begun [TS]

  working towards it because now they have [TS]

  announced they're going to be on a [TS]

  yearly release cycle and what this means [TS]

  is that you are going to be writing 24 [TS]

  hours a day seven days a week [TS]

  non-stop and your reviews will will have [TS]

  to because it takes you there to power [TS]

  over a year to write one yeah like that [TS]

  it's not the writing though it's it [TS]

  really begins when I create a note and a [TS]

  tag collection in your Jimbo for the [TS]

  operating system and traditionally I [TS]

  don't do that until I know the the name [TS]

  of the operating system the name of the [TS]

  cat no yes I have I have my mountain [TS]

  lion note it has text in it and yes the [TS]

  process has begun so speaking of the [TS]

  name of the cat you whatever you know [TS]

  you don't even let me do follow-up which [TS]

  I just want to jump right into it but we [TS]

  can do your follow-up of course I just [TS]

  want to but this is the one thing that's [TS]

  it it all comes out of this you had [TS]

  prophesized that lie I heard you say [TS]

  that a Marco show I dis are you not oh [TS]

  no not everybody it listens to Marco [TS]

  show alright god I'm just telling [TS]

  right away already degree you have [TS]

  prophesized that lion being the king of [TS]

  the jungle this this should signify the [TS]

  end of the big cat names because they [TS]

  have reached the biggest of the cats [TS]

  with lion the king of the jungle it's [TS]

  not actually the biggest but yeah the [TS]

  king of the jungle [TS]

  yeah metaphorically speaking the biggest [TS]

  but you're right there is the Thai is [TS]

  the liger biggest I don't know there's [TS]

  some other cat the way is more I think [TS]

  the liger is the biggest anyway you you [TS]

  you believe that this should indicate [TS]

  the end of the cat names we should move [TS]

  on to something else I believe your [TS]

  suggestion was the rodents no that [TS]

  wasn't it [TS]

  or what you know wombat or something but [TS]

  we didn't good didn't mountain lion yeah [TS]

  you want you know that I said it's last [TS]

  time one of the reasons that I actually [TS]

  wished they would get off the cat names [TS]

  ah is that it would be a nice stopping [TS]

  point for me writing his reviews because [TS]

  you would have done all that's like what [TS]

  all the big cats you know now someone [TS]

  else has to take it from here yeah that [TS]

  makes sense [TS]

  room in a natural stopping point all [TS]

  right well anyway I just wanted to [TS]

  mention that and plant that seed in case [TS]

  it was not on your list yeah I didn't I [TS]

  didn't predict that they would I said [TS]

  that they should I don't think they [TS]

  should have but they didn't yeah I guess [TS]

  they don't listen to you and in this [TS]

  show yes shocking one small piece of [TS]

  follow up and then we can get to it okay [TS]

  my apologies for interrupting your [TS]

  planned format but I rant breaker [TS]

  I'm Apollo I apologize had been [TS]

  submitted I have to put this one [TS]

  follow-up in because the this is a link [TS]

  that more listeners sent me than any [TS]

  other link in history of this show [TS]

  it's the link to an article by Timothy [TS]

  Messer Cruz called the undue weight of [TS]

  truth on Wikipedia that I'm used [TS]

  I think people see see you on the tweets [TS]

  too didn't you see this this link about [TS]

  a thousand times yes [TS]

  yeah maybe it seems even longer because [TS]

  we didn't to the show last week so it's [TS]

  got two weeks of people sending this [TS]

  link so I felt compelled that I must put [TS]

  this link in the show notes and briefly [TS]

  discuss it okay this is an article from [TS]

  someone who [TS]

  has a particular interest in a [TS]

  historical event and writes academic [TS]

  papers on it and was in the process of [TS]

  writing a book about it and happened to [TS]

  go to the wikipedia page and saw that [TS]

  there was some information that was not [TS]

  correct on there the main thing he kept [TS]

  found objection with is that the page [TS]

  said that the prosecution didn't offer [TS]

  any evidence connecting the defendants [TS]

  with this this crime that had been [TS]

  committed and he said oh no they totally [TS]

  did and it was it was a long trial they [TS]

  presented lots of evidence and you know [TS]

  I've studied all about it I've written [TS]

  papers about it and I'm writing a book [TS]

  about it now so we corrected it and it [TS]

  got reverted and they said you had to [TS]

  provide reliable sources blah blah blah [TS]

  the whole nine yards Amy says well I I [TS]

  had cited things I cited the Library of [TS]

  Congress and cited some of his own [TS]

  peer-reviewed articles on the topic but [TS]

  they didn't like it and so that was his [TS]

  first encounter with Wikipedia not [TS]

  fulfilling their their citation [TS]

  requirements and the other thing that [TS]

  where the title comes from is that one [TS]

  of the Wikipedians cited the undue [TS]

  weight policy which states and this is a [TS]

  quote from the article although I don't [TS]

  know if it's quote from the policy [TS]

  articles should not give minority views [TS]

  as much or as detailed the description [TS]

  as more popular views so the Wikipedian [TS]

  said you should not delete information [TS]

  supported by the majority of sources to [TS]

  replace it with a minority view so his [TS]

  view that evidence was presented was a [TS]

  minority view because they had tons of [TS]

  sources citing the fact that evidence [TS]

  wasn't presented and the undue weight [TS]

  thing is I mean he's adding the truth [TS]

  part the undo way of truth it's like if [TS]

  every historian says X and you say Y you [TS]

  you can't just delete X and put in your [TS]

  Y even if it's actually true so this guy [TS]

  waited two years until his book on this [TS]

  historical event was published and he [TS]

  said now a-ha now I have a proper [TS]

  Wikipedia leg to stand on because he [TS]

  could cite see his book was published [TS]

  write a book on the topic of his event [TS]

  now he can cite that and so he did a big [TS]

  update citing his own book on the topic [TS]

  and it got reverted again pretty quickly [TS]

  and the Wikipedian says as a by way of [TS]

  explaining why this is reverted if all [TS]

  historians save one say that the sky was [TS]

  green in 1888 our policies require that [TS]

  we write most historians write that the [TS]

  sky was green but one says the sky was [TS]

  blue [TS]

  as individual editors we are not in the [TS]

  business of weighing claims just [TS]

  reporting what reliable sources right [TS]

  and so you should follow the link in the [TS]

  show notes if you want to read this [TS]

  entire article it is a pretty close echo [TS]

  of my experience albeit but much more [TS]

  academic rigor and importance than you [TS]

  know some little thing about the finder [TS]

  and many people sent it to me because [TS]

  it's such a echo what we talked about so [TS]

  so there you go that's my only follow up [TS]

  and I had to say that because the sheer [TS]

  weight of pointers to that article is [TS]

  overwhelming you were you were [TS]

  overwhelmed yes okay that's a nice your [TS]

  only follow that's it and I have one [TS]

  topic right before we get the mountain [TS]

  line which is mountain lion related it [TS]

  actually is a mountain lion topic so [TS]

  someone named Kenneth REITs REI TZ [TS]

  apparently involved in the homebrew [TS]

  project the thing lets you compile UNIX [TS]

  software mac OS 10 without having to [TS]

  deal with all that make files and [TS]

  everything right very handy it's way [TS]

  better than other attempts like Mac [TS]

  ports were at putting this together you [TS]

  install homebrew you type brew space [TS]

  install space and the name of the [TS]

  utility that you want installed it just [TS]

  does it it's genius it's perfect it [TS]

  obfuscates all of the tutorials that I [TS]

  wrote over the many many years on high [TS]

  villages it's a genius I wish they [TS]

  called it something else but it's grown [TS]

  on me and I just edit it obfuscates your [TS]

  articles doesn't obfuscate [TS]

  well mother obviates the need for yeah [TS]

  that's a better way to say it thank you [TS]

  anyway yeah so he was annoyed and [TS]

  several people I can imagine being [TS]

  annoyed by the fact that if you want if [TS]

  you want to do any of this stuff you [TS]

  want to compile software for Mac OS 10 [TS]

  you need to have the compiler the Empire [TS]

  is installed by default and the [TS]

  traditional way to install the compiler [TS]

  according to Apple is I'll just install [TS]

  the development right which is like a [TS]

  terabytes of stuff it's like you know [TS]

  1.3 gigs worth of Xcode and all the [TS]

  stuff that comes with it and just as [TS]

  huge amount of stuff like geez I just [TS]

  want like GCC in the headers and and [TS]

  though you know it's like you have to [TS]

  download the entire Internet onto your [TS]

  back just to be able to compile you know [TS]

  W get and I mean personally I I found it [TS]

  a little absurd to but I tend to want to [TS]

  have the dev tools because I like being [TS]

  able to just fire up a project or open [TS]

  someone else's source code or whatever [TS]

  for people who aren't into that I can [TS]

  see how it's annoying so he made his own [TS]

  little OS ten GCC installer which was [TS]

  just like let me just rip out the [TS]

  command line parts and wrap that up into [TS]

  an easy to install package so say oh if [TS]

  you just want to use homebrew to like [TS]

  install some little open-source piece of [TS]

  software right you don't need all of [TS]

  xcode just get my little installer was [TS]

  like you know 100 Meg's or something and [TS]

  it will put all that stuff in there and [TS]

  it was a little bit sketchy because [TS]

  there's some files that he couldn't [TS]

  distribute that were part of xcode [TS]

  because because of licensing [TS]

  restrictions you know they weren't GPL [TS]

  then he was mixing with GPL all that [TS]

  stuff so as part of mountain lion [TS]

  actually Apple contacted him and talked [TS]

  to him about that tool and then didn't [TS]

  say anything well and as part of [TS]

  mountain line suddenly Apple has an [TS]

  official command-line tools for Xcode [TS]

  download which is 171 megabytes it's [TS]

  officially from Apple totally supported [TS]

  and if you just want to use homebrew to [TS]

  install some UNIX software you no longer [TS]

  have to download gigabytes of Xcode just [TS]

  go get this free download link is in the [TS]

  show notes and it's directly from Apple [TS]

  and great there's even there's even a [TS]

  supported way now to uninstall the [TS]

  developer tools I'm not sure if this was [TS]

  around before but he's suggesting in the [TS]

  link that in the story that he wrote [TS]

  that you link to that you can and [TS]

  potentially should uninstall the [TS]

  developer tools I'll tell you what I'll [TS]

  tell you where this is this is really [TS]

  useful or I'll tell you who this is [TS]

  useful for and and and why I really am [TS]

  thrilled about this is we use a number [TS]

  of Mac minis behind the scenes for for [TS]

  5x5 and I host them over at Mac Mini [TS]

  Colo net and what a pain it is to have [TS]

  to go and install Xcode you know remote [TS]

  to the machine visually install Xcode [TS]

  wait for it to download and all of that [TS]

  stuff when I'm never gonna launch Xcode [TS]

  on a remote Mac Mini I just but I do [TS]

  need it to build a do need to build some [TS]

  of these tools that's a great thing and [TS]

  again for people who have no interest in [TS]

  running Xcode ever maybe their rails [TS]

  developers but they need to install [TS]

  things locally or they wanted you know [TS]

  who knows this is so great and it's so [TS]

  great to see that Apple reached out to [TS]

  the guy and integrated it instead of [TS]

  just doing something like it and you [TS]

  know they involved them it was nice [TS]

  my mute key isn't working in Skype [TS]

  anymore it started like two weeks ago [TS]

  you and Marco both wanting to mute [TS]

  constantly what's going on you have to [TS]

  me asking about the shuttle I have a [TS]

  cold now I'm blowing my nose that just [TS]

  blew my nose hope you didn't hear it no [TS]

  I did menu and do it all right on this [TS]

  line uninstalling the dev tools with [TS]

  that tool from Apple that makes me feel [TS]

  good when they provided tool for because [TS]

  then you expect it to work very hot and [TS]

  there's an interesting reason why you [TS]

  might want to uninstall them because the [TS]

  new way Xcode works which we might get [TS]

  to depending on how we go all right so [TS]

  that's that's Mountain Lion related [TS]

  because that was released at the same [TS]

  time as Mountain Lion so now now I'm [TS]

  lion feels like I just did our Maximus [TS]

  then review doesn't it feel like that it [TS]

  feels like I didn't I just do this I'm [TS]

  still almost recovering yeah some people [TS]

  haven't finished reading it yet it just [TS]

  shows they got to the boring part it's [TS]

  true couldn't recover I got people [TS]

  tweeted me this they must have like you [TS]

  know got to a boring part and stopped [TS]

  reading and just that all go back to [TS]

  some other time and now there's another [TS]

  OS announced yeah where do you want to [TS]

  start with this there's so much ready [TS]

  want to start I have the only thing I [TS]

  definitely do want to talk about is [TS]

  gatekeeper but we can start any place [TS]

  you want ah gatekeeper is probably an [TS]

  excellent place to start if that's where [TS]

  you'd like one thing I would like to ask [TS]

  before that [TS]

  have you tried out messages in in place [TS]

  of iChat I have oh I installed it and [TS]

  played with it a little bit I didn't I [TS]

  haven't been using it using it for I am [TS]

  did you uninstall it no not yet I used [TS]

  it for a day and I uninstalled it and [TS]

  I'll tell you the only reason that I did [TS]

  this I loved the functionality that it [TS]

  brought but there is something that was [TS]

  going on with it there's a little bit a [TS]

  little bit jarring and I'm curious to [TS]

  know if you experienced this because I [TS]

  know you have complained about similar [TS]

  things there's a little there's a little [TS]

  sidebar or if you want to call it a [TS]

  left-hand pane that has a list of the [TS]

  people that you are chatting with if you [TS]

  have multiple chats to three at a time [TS]

  and when you send or receive a new [TS]

  message the person for whom you have [TS]

  communicated just then with that their [TS]

  name which is actually it's relatively [TS]

  tall kind of kind of block on the left [TS]

  hand pane will [TS]

  Lyde up above the other ones and if you [TS]

  happen to be receiving multiple messages [TS]

  at one time or within closed time to [TS]

  each other the this this left-hand pane [TS]

  is constantly shifting and sliding up [TS]

  and up and down and other things moving [TS]

  around and you're like why is this thing [TS]

  moving constantly your click target to [TS]

  pick the person is constantly changing [TS]

  and it's a sort of jarring activity that [TS]

  seems to be happening by itself in a [TS]

  slightly disturbing way at now people [TS]

  have been quick to point out well this [TS]

  is exactly the way that it works on the [TS]

  iPad this is the same way the iMessage [TS]

  app works on the iPad and that's exactly [TS]

  why I don't use it on the iPad because I [TS]

  don't like seeing now it's a little less [TS]

  jarring because of course with [TS]

  everything on iOS it's a full screen app [TS]

  using this in the full screen didn't [TS]

  really solve it it just kind of seemed [TS]

  silly [TS]

  so wondering if you notice that there's [TS]

  no way to turn it off apparently you [TS]

  should I think there's a prep because I [TS]

  recall seeing a preference for reorder [TS]

  the sidebar thing I'm not don't have the [TS]

  messages happen from me now so I can't [TS]

  like were you sure there's not a [TS]

  preference for that I it's certainly [TS]

  possible that I missed it of course I [TS]

  could have missed there you uninstalled [TS]

  it by now see again well it's easy to [TS]

  put it back but I don't have it on the [TS]

  computer anymore because it was going [TS]

  crazy but here's here's the thing I [TS]

  thought that you it was when that [TS]

  sorting menu when I had the thing [TS]

  selected and went to the View menu went [TS]

  to the sort I thought it was for the [TS]

  regular buddy list there wasn't anything [TS]

  in there that I assignment well I should [TS]

  join the chatroom I then see if they're [TS]

  shouting in there of course you can [TS]

  change it they're not he's I don't know [TS]

  how many people have used iMessage but I [TS]

  could swear there was an option in there [TS]

  I'd oh yeah animation like that I don't [TS]

  like seeing things move out of the [TS]

  corner of my eye yeah I don't use I [TS]

  don't use iChat I use a diem for my I am [TS]

  so that's that's why having installed is [TS]

  not going to bother me because I'd never [TS]

  use that but I don't like the UI so far [TS]

  and I know I don't like things [TS]

  integrated into one window I like [TS]

  separate windows for people I like but [TS]

  Adium remembers the size and position of [TS]

  my separate windows yeah you know so I [TS]

  don't think I'll be using that I really [TS]

  what I was really hoping for is that [TS]

  they would break out FaceTime from it [TS]

  they're like oh now finally they're [TS]

  gonna have messages which will just be [TS]

  for text-based things that folds in SM [TS]

  SN aim and jabber and all that other [TS]

  stuff right and then they'll have [TS]

  FaceTime which is clearly the video [TS]

  beside chat was weird because it was [TS]

  like you did video there too but you [TS]

  also have the FaceTime application so [TS]

  you know is this big consolidation of [TS]

  applications that they're doing a [TS]

  mountain line like finally they'll [TS]

  they'll separate stuff out but no it's [TS]

  still this video so I'm confused how [TS]

  messages has anything to do with video [TS]

  or screen sharing but you know baby [TS]

  steps I guess actually before we get to [TS]

  gate keeper I'll talk about two minor [TS]

  topics one is the super weird release [TS]

  experience or at least weird for Apple [TS]

  the idea that there's no no invitation [TS]

  that goes out in the mail with a little [TS]

  picture and some words and press doesn't [TS]

  fly to California and stand in front of [TS]

  people and they get presented instead [TS]

  they call individual people in the media [TS]

  have them come in secret and give them a [TS]

  keynote for one where they do the [TS]

  keynote presentation and you're the only [TS]

  one in the audience yeah I guess I [TS]

  wonder if you feel like you have to [TS]

  applaud like yeah hey good good chop [TS]

  fill but he needs the feedback or just [TS]

  sit there stone-faced with your arms [TS]

  folded [TS]

  but Gruber had a great post about his [TS]

  experience doing that and as far as I [TS]

  know he's the only one who's posted [TS]

  about his experiences doing that and [TS]

  that this is just it's just weird for [TS]

  Apple this is a change in the way that [TS]

  they release things and as Gruber [TS]

  alluded to the obvious question which [TS]

  she was too uncomfortable to ask is you [TS]

  know we're doing things differently now [TS]

  now being like after Steve has gone you [TS]

  don't want to bring that up obviously [TS]

  it's a little insensitive but it it's [TS]

  hard not to make that connection that [TS]

  now apple's decided to do things [TS]

  differently and you know how many years [TS]

  have Steve did we have from 1997 until [TS]

  2011 and then he leaves and suddenly the [TS]

  way they do things changes it could just [TS]

  be a natural evolution this was going to [TS]

  happen anyway [TS]

  and it also could just be an experiment [TS]

  that Apple's trying but that totally [TS]

  caught me by surprise that they would [TS]

  not actually have an event for this you [TS]

  know it didn't even get the homepage I [TS]

  didn't even get the Apple comm homepage [TS]

  the iPhone 4 I stayed there the whole [TS]

  time mountain lion just got like one of [TS]

  the three boxes and the bottom so that [TS]

  was very surprising to me a mountain [TS]

  lion itself I think has too many [TS]

  syllables too many syllables too many [TS]

  syllables it is the is there [TS]

  record-holder for the largest number of [TS]

  syllables a big cat name right the [TS]

  previous record-holder was snow leopard [TS]

  with just three mountain minus 4 you [TS]

  could slur together if you want uh but [TS]

  it does doesn't roll off the tongue by [TS]

  but they dropped mac from mac OS so and [TS]

  maybe they have a quote they bought it [TS]

  yeah they had to they have to keep it [TS]

  they had to keep it up [TS]

  it had a limit rather a limit on [TS]

  syllables they were we afford speak over [TS]

  three syllables in the cat name we got a [TS]

  cut one off or I drop the Mac but they [TS]

  were doing that the last time with lion [TS]

  they were doing OS 10 lion all over the [TS]

  place but they were inconsistent some [TS]

  things that Mac some things as I was ten [TS]

  seems like like the marketing department [TS]

  really wanted always ten lion but a lot [TS]

  of the code and the developers you know [TS]

  all over the all over the actual OS [TS]

  itself you could see Mac os10 [TS]

  I'll be interesting see a mountain lion [TS]

  if the marketing department puts its [TS]

  foot down with the developers and says [TS]

  every place that this operating system [TS]

  name appears in the operating system [TS]

  itself get rid of the Mac part well they [TS]

  have it is it is official it's been [TS]

  covered in some different places but [TS]

  Nilay Patel friend of mine over at the [TS]

  verge has a little article which I will [TS]

  put into the show notes that he actually [TS]

  here here's what he says there's an [TS]

  equally big change quietly afoot in the [TS]

  Mac the Mac in Mac OS 10 is no more [TS]

  instead Apple's desktop operating system [TS]

  is now simply called OS 10 we confirm [TS]

  the official name change with Apple who [TS]

  told us that the preferred full name is [TS]

  OS 10 mountain lion and a quick look [TS]

  around the company's new mountain lion [TS]

  pages reveals that the tweak is already [TS]

  well in effect that's not to say that [TS]

  the Mac brand has been demoted as it's [TS]

  still used throughout Apple site it [TS]

  appears that Mac is being used to [TS]

  identify hardware products while OS 10 [TS]

  refers to the software as with [TS]

  everything else about mountain lion that [TS]

  matches the iOS naming scheme of calling [TS]

  the iPhone and iPad by separate names [TS]

  than the other than the OS etc etc so [TS]

  yeah and that was probably the real [TS]

  policy in line I don't know of anyone [TS]

  who's never asked that but having the [TS]

  policy and actually expunging all the [TS]

  instances of the capital m.a.c from the [TS]

  strings that are part of the operating [TS]

  system are two separate things so we'll [TS]

  see if they get that consistent I [TS]

  seriously speaking what like why did [TS]

  they leave Mac off the is did he say [TS]

  that Apple said that they're trying to [TS]

  leave Mac on [TS]

  for hardware is he just deriving that [TS]

  from the fact that it's still attached [TS]

  to the hardware but not attached to the [TS]

  software I think the latter I think he [TS]

  is that is his what is he reading [TS]

  yeah he's inferring that from what [TS]

  they're saying I think he's probably [TS]

  right and it would make sense but yeah [TS]

  he did I don't think that they told him [TS]

  that yeah I could ask him I think [TS]

  leaving off the Mac oh I'm just [TS]

  speculating just like he was but it [TS]

  strikes me as a recognition that like it [TS]

  or not having a Mac even in this day and [TS]

  age is still there's like a stigma [TS]

  attached like you're not like you don't [TS]

  have a PC you have a Mac and they want [TS]

  the brand of the operating system not to [TS]

  be tied to any of the baggage that might [TS]

  be the bad baggage that comes along with [TS]

  Mac as far as mass market penetration [TS]

  goes like I see it as trying to crank up [TS]

  the glass ceiling on possible Mac [TS]

  ownership because you know iPhone is [TS]

  sound like gangbusters and everything [TS]

  like that but it's like vote my one of [TS]

  my favorite things to think about is [TS]

  what is the glass ceiling on Mac market [TS]

  share in the PC market now it could be [TS]

  just the PC market become so unimportant [TS]

  that who that cares but still now even [TS]

  the Mac growing like crazy and [TS]

  outgrowing the market for you know six [TS]

  years running [TS]

  what are they at like now single-digit [TS]

  percentage is still the PC market maybe [TS]

  double depending on where you're [TS]

  measuring it from I think it's still [TS]

  single but yeah and and you end so maybe [TS]

  they're like look we need some Headroom [TS]

  here now that the PC market is that [TS]

  important clearly the future is in iOS [TS]

  and all that stuff but what geez [TS]

  wouldn't it be nice to have everyone [TS]

  using a Mac and maybe they think one of [TS]

  the barriers there is the Mac name I [TS]

  don't know this is the type of thing [TS]

  that they're not going to talk about [TS]

  they're going to tell you what they're [TS]

  doing and maybe give you a picture I [TS]

  think you'll believe but I'm not sure [TS]

  what the real reason is but the fact [TS]

  that there's lots of extra syllables is [TS]

  just as a good enough reason as far as [TS]

  I'm concerned so the short one that [TS]

  everyone is using is mul oh you're down [TS]

  with that Molo molo from mountain lion [TS]

  No [TS]

  I haven't even turned yet I think with [TS]

  JLo the first one to do is horrible [TS]

  JLo Joe como lo it's terrible [TS]

  you know like Malo people doing in [TS]

  tweets busy I don't have room and you [TS]

  know why not this 10.8 I mean you need a [TS]

  text expander shortcut if you're writing [TS]

  an article about it just you can type [TS]

  molo and then it's panda mole oh yeah [TS]

  terrible yeah so we continue it and so [TS]

  as for the yearly thing no more yeah [TS]

  yeah for everyone so for people who [TS]

  don't know what this is apple also [TS]

  announced that they are on now a yearly [TS]

  schedule for OS 10 releases so the 10.8 [TS]

  will be coming out and from from the [TS]

  release of 10.8 every year we're going [TS]

  to have a new version of the of the [TS]

  operating system they were not clear [TS]

  whether that was going to be a version [TS]

  in other words like we had lion which [TS]

  was big now we have mountain lion which [TS]

  even though it has the sub cat name the [TS]

  way that leopard had Snow Leopard if we [TS]

  remember back to snow leopard Snow [TS]

  Leopard they really didn't introduce new [TS]

  features they just made everything [TS]

  better faster and more stable and as [TS]

  I've mentioned on the other shows in my [TS]

  experience and most experience of people [TS]

  i've talked with it has been one of the [TS]

  most if not the most stable bug-free [TS]

  release of OS 10 in history Snow Leopard [TS]

  now mountain lion is not - Snow Leopard [TS]

  what you know it's not an acquits not [TS]

  bug fixes more stable I mean maybe we'll [TS]

  get that but it's plenty of new features [TS]

  it's a lot of redesign it's a bunch of [TS]

  new stuff and the implication is that [TS]

  they're moving forward they're plowing [TS]

  ahead does that concern you at all [TS]

  because I know you've expressed what [TS]

  what I have expressed also which is that [TS]

  lion is not always maybe as reliable and [TS]

  stable as we'd like it to be well the [TS]

  first concern is about uh writing [TS]

  schedules can I write something as long [TS]

  as I've used them in writing every year [TS]

  and that's exacerbated by the fact that [TS]

  that if they stick the summer releases [TS]

  you know quote-unquote coming out in [TS]

  summer whatever that that means and [TS]

  guess when WWDC is it's also summer none [TS]

  of them neither one of those things have [TS]

  actual dates and I do rely on the [TS]

  information disseminated at WABC [TS]

  and a tremendous amount when writing my [TS]

  reviews so it's it's the same place we [TS]

  were with line like oh geez are they [TS]

  going to release it before the show in [TS]

  which case that I'm screwed either way [TS]

  are they going to release it at the show [TS]

  I'm still kind of screwed if they [TS]

  release it two weeks after the show then [TS]

  I'd still like to go because maybe if I [TS]

  don't go to the W everybody see they [TS]

  talk about it and then two weeks later [TS]

  released the OS and then release the [TS]

  videos and so I won't have no time to [TS]

  watch the stuff or say they release the [TS]

  videos right the day after watc and then [TS]

  I have to watch them all you know in [TS]

  time to beat the release date so it adds [TS]

  a lot of uncertainty for me about what [TS]

  kind of volume I can produce and how [TS]

  much detail I can go into and whether I [TS]

  can get the information I need because [TS]

  it really depends on when WWC Falls and [TS]

  when the releases so I'm very nervous [TS]

  about that I now as for the content of [TS]

  the release you would assume that if [TS]

  they're going to go yearly they can't [TS]

  put as much stuff in maybe that's not [TS]

  true I obviously you said you know snow [TS]

  leopards and you know no new features ah [TS]

  but they spent a long time on it it's [TS]

  not it when people think about did they [TS]

  put lots of why should I buy it did the [TS]

  plots of stuff and it's like they want [TS]

  to see stuff they can seen screenshots [TS]

  so I measured in that regard [TS]

  Mountain Lion has all much new stuff has [TS]

  got tirely new applications new [TS]

  interfaces for old applications you know [TS]

  if you were just a look at screenshot [TS]

  you see that look you say that looks [TS]

  nothing like line I don't have that on [TS]

  line and that Sun you know but does that [TS]

  take longer that take more time and [TS]

  effort than Snow Leopard and do they [TS]

  have as much time for internal changes [TS]

  which I usually have a whole section [TS]

  dedicated to internal changes maybe [TS]

  there won't be a lot of internal changes [TS]

  so I don't know how I'm going to play [TS]

  this in terms of getting the review done [TS]

  and how much how much is there actually [TS]

  to write about in one year every single [TS]

  year maybe maybe they still will do kind [TS]

  of a tick-tock model in the Intel model [TS]

  where [TS]

  they'll do lots of core OS changes and [TS]

  then they'll add a bunch of fancy apps [TS]

  and then Correll has changed since bunch [TS]

  of fancy apps the line would be like the [TS]

  core OS changes and to fancy apps like [TS]

  they redid the address book and some [TS]

  other stuff and they mangled Safari and [TS]

  you know but it wasn't like this this is [TS]

  like you know all those apps you know [TS]

  and love that use all the time well [TS]

  we're just we're redoing them all and [TS]

  yeah some of them we already redid in [TS]

  line so you already got the new mail and [TS]

  we're not really going crazy with that [TS]

  and the new address book will trying to [TS]

  tweak a little bit but I chat is gone [TS]

  iCal is renamed we're adding you know [TS]

  Notification Center and a new notes [TS]

  application and just you know that's a [TS]

  lot of stuff but I don't know if that [TS]

  stuff takes longer than creating a Grand [TS]

  Central Dispatch or you know core image [TS]

  or something like that or one of those [TS]

  core features that came along and the [TS]

  other big releases so we're in uncharted [TS]

  territory here I don't quite know how [TS]

  it's going to go and I don't know what [TS]

  kind of beast mountain line is really [TS]

  going to be in terms of writing review [TS]

  and actually what content is in the OS I [TS]

  was very surprised that they released [TS]

  the the Developer Preview to at the same [TS]

  time although Velma stuff that stuff's [TS]

  under NDA right like they have videos in [TS]

  their site and any reporter who wrote [TS]

  about stuff based on their press [TS]

  briefing oh that's fair game but I still [TS]

  can't talk about like the stuff that's [TS]

  on the developer side right I don't I [TS]

  don't know what the rule is on it I [TS]

  think so I obviously I can't talk about [TS]

  that but there are some internal changes [TS]

  they've just started looking at them but [TS]

  what's interesting though into that [TS]

  point is gosh we get to do our first [TS]

  sponsor too but to your point there it [TS]

  seems like a lot of the attendees of WDC [TS]

  for example there was a really big [TS]

  article on panics blog yesterday we all [TS]

  know and love panic that they seem to [TS]

  have some deep familiarity with a lot of [TS]

  the things that were going on in in [TS]

  mountain lion I didn't attend WWDC but [TS]

  how much of this was common knowledge I [TS]

  mean it sound it sure did sound like I [TS]

  mean maybe they went to the to the press [TS]

  thing they were brought out there I [TS]

  don't know they got briefed [TS]

  they got briefed that's a [TS]

  in brief I think I think one of the [TS]

  reasons they got briefed is because they [TS]

  made a lot of noise about sandboxing and [TS]

  they're a prominent Mac developer and so [TS]

  on and so forth [TS]

  ah that's incidentally what when the [TS]

  announcement came I knew that there was [TS]

  something coming but I didn't know the [TS]

  details and I also knew about mountain [TS]

  lion but I didn't put two and two [TS]

  together I'm like well it's not gonna be [TS]

  a mountain lion cuz they always send out [TS]

  invitations for that so it's got to be [TS]

  something else so I was sure it was [TS]

  going to be a sandboxing thing because [TS]

  developers have a wing for sandboxing [TS]

  like a decision from Apple and what to [TS]

  do about the whole sandboxing thing like [TS]

  keep moving the deadline for enforcing [TS]

  sandboxing on all Mac App Store apps and [TS]

  that's the type of thing they could do [TS]

  without a press thing or announcement so [TS]

  I was very surprised when the next day [TS]

  Mountain Lion is is here but still no [TS]

  announcement on sandboxing and so I [TS]

  think panic was brought in because that [TS]

  you know there are company that has [TS]

  expressed a lot of opinions about both [TS]

  of these issues and I think Apple wanted [TS]

  to sort of I don't know why I really [TS]

  don't know the rhyme reason how Apple [TS]

  chooses who to brief like for example I [TS]

  think mg Siegler got briefed because [TS]

  Jason Snell said he saw him on Apple's [TS]

  campus of the day he was getting briefed [TS]

  mm-hmm but Ars Technica did not get [TS]

  briefed against mg Siegler but why does [TS]

  he rate getting briefed but ours doesn't [TS]

  like he's one he's one granted a [TS]

  prominent blogger but I don't know I [TS]

  don't I don't understand how a boy like [TS]

  you would think all Apple just wants to [TS]

  be people who always say nice things [TS]

  about them well mg says he's not a you [TS]

  know uncritical of Apple well will we [TS]

  ever know will we ever understand I have [TS]

  more questions for John Gruber today [TS]

  when when we do his show after this one [TS]

  as far as how the sort of logistics of [TS]

  that work were they all gathered in a [TS]

  big room ahead of time where they [TS]

  brought up in separate shuttles [TS]

  independently with a you know us a [TS]

  burlap sack over there hey you know how [TS]

  do they do how did they do it [TS]

  Gruber points out that that uh Andy NACO [TS]

  didn't get briefed either I mean that's [TS]

  weird the PR people will call you day of [TS]

  but who gets early access how do they [TS]

  decide not that I begrudge the people [TS]

  who got early access their their access [TS]

  but it just seems weird like it's not [TS]

  like they're blacklisting people it's [TS]

  like look we just got a pic maybe they [TS]

  take like one of each like we own one of [TS]

  this type of thing one of this type of [TS]

  thing and obviously you know the New [TS]

  York Times The Wall Street Journal and [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  that that probably is still frustration [TS]

  to people who are in this business it's [TS]

  like what we feel like we're doing good [TS]

  reporting on Apple and they if they're [TS]

  going to be doing this thing where some [TS]

  people get early access why don't we get [TS]

  it and you don't want to get into the [TS]

  game of like oh they only give it to the [TS]

  people who write nice things I don't [TS]

  think that's true I just think they have [TS]

  people they like and have people they [TS]

  don't like and that's totally their [TS]

  right but it's got to be frustrating if [TS]

  you're in this bit because it seems like [TS]

  they are well man I understand where [TS]

  Apple's coming from right and that you [TS]

  don't necessarily want to tell everybody [TS]

  but how why not Andy why not have all [TS]

  people like you got in you got a brief [TS]

  Andy I mean it's not he writes for the [TS]

  Chicago sun-times it's not your [TS]

  publication and and he's got a really [TS]

  big show macbreak weekly I mean it seems [TS]

  like he would be the right person now [TS]

  anyway yeah and the whole idea like the [TS]

  reason you get early access in the [TS]

  regular non Apple world is because they [TS]

  want to give people who are in the press [TS]

  lead time to actually write about [TS]

  something so the day of all of a sudden [TS]

  a bunch of articles appear about the [TS]

  topic about and in the rest of in any [TS]

  other industry that's normal like you [TS]

  give the car magazines an early look at [TS]

  your car so they come to your Center and [TS]

  do test drives and I go the whole nine [TS]

  yards right and get and then they go [TS]

  back and I write their big long article [TS]

  about the preview of the new car and [TS]

  then like a month later it appears on [TS]

  newsstands all at the same time like you [TS]

  know the embargo was lifted that's [TS]

  that's how regular products always work [TS]

  apples has not been like that ever in [TS]

  the jobs to era and now they're starting [TS]

  to be like that but they're they're [TS]

  doing it weirdly like car companies for [TS]

  example invite everybody you know if you [TS]

  have a car magazine you're invited to [TS]

  come out and then it seems that they [TS]

  would do it based on like prominence [TS]

  like who has a big audience so I don't I [TS]

  don't know it's it's strange this is I [TS]

  said it's uncharted territory for [TS]

  everybody and I'm not sure how they can [TS]

  do it and as I think you pointed out [TS]

  because it you want on a on a Marcos [TS]

  thing why not just invite all the press [TS]

  at once why do the keynote for one why [TS]

  have all the press in the same room do [TS]

  presentation once you know that each [TS]

  Coast you know or whatever you want to [TS]

  do but individually seems like boy [TS]

  Phil's got to be [TS]

  prior to given that present right and [TS]

  that's that's the John Gruber points out [TS]

  he says oh man you know this thing was [TS]

  rehearsed and prepared and it was well [TS]

  he probably gave it 20 times already you [TS]

  know that's why it was so prepared of [TS]

  her is not saying I mean not to take [TS]

  anything away from the guy clearly they [TS]

  took it seriously and I bet you anything [TS]

  that the first time was as good as the [TS]

  20th time he did it but I mean it just [TS]

  seems it seems very interesting and [TS]

  weird to do it that way and it it I [TS]

  think it's pretty cool in some ways I [TS]

  mean it's gotta me and maybe that's why [TS]

  they did it maybe they did it so that [TS]

  each individual person who is being [TS]

  brought in and briefed felt like it was [TS]

  very very special and unique and just [TS]

  for them and that's why they did it so [TS]

  that each person felt like Apple was [TS]

  saying to them we like you we trust you [TS]

  be our emissary be our PR department and [TS]

  we'll keep doing these really cool [TS]

  things for you it's like when you [TS]

  separate prisoners when you interrogate [TS]

  them that's what it is you know I give [TS]

  like after the keynotes they would pull [TS]

  in the press to give like you know each [TS]

  one goes individually talks to whoever [TS]

  Apple represented they don't let they [TS]

  don't do the thing where there's a guy [TS]

  up there and a mic and a bunch of press [TS]

  waving their notepads but they're 40 [TS]

  style hats on saying mr. jobs mr. jobs I [TS]

  wouldn't you know they don't want that [TS]

  environment where the press becomes a [TS]

  mob and they're there they're beholden [TS]

  to the press times you know like the [TS]

  briefing room in the White House that's [TS]

  exactly the environment Apple never [TS]

  wants to subject itself to they like a [TS]

  controlled environment and if it's a [TS]

  bunch of Apple guys and one reporter [TS]

  that one reporter is clearly not the one [TS]

  in control the situation but if you get [TS]

  17 reporters and you get you give the [TS]

  presentation fine give it to 17 you know [TS]

  they do that all time they come to [TS]

  California for press event all the press [TS]

  it's in there they get the presentation [TS]

  they're done but after that you [TS]

  individually get pulled in to talk to [TS]

  people about it it's not like they go [TS]

  and now we will take questions because [TS]

  that's a totally different dynamic yeah [TS]

  and Apple clearly favors the dynamic [TS]

  where they are the one in control we are [TS]

  now presenting you listen no talking no [TS]

  questions afterwards you will [TS]

  individually come to a bunch of Apple [TS]

  people and talk to them with the PR [TS]

  person present and there'll be more [TS]

  Apple people there than you and there's [TS]

  no you will not be able to get [TS]

  encouragement from [TS]

  other reporters in the room and sort of [TS]

  start getting that you know start [TS]

  getting your reporter hat on and say [TS]

  we're gonna ask about this what about [TS]

  this yeah and what about you know they [TS]

  don't like that but and it's kind of [TS]

  silly like for the briefings up I guess [TS]

  it's better to be brief than not to be [TS]

  brief but the real issue is early access [TS]

  like it's not so much the questions you [TS]

  get to ask them because they're never [TS]

  gonna it's not like well if I had been [TS]

  briefed I could have asked this question [TS]

  they would have answered it no they're [TS]

  gonna do if they don't want to talk [TS]

  about they're going to deflect the other [TS]

  professionals here they're not going to [TS]

  say hey when's the release date it's [TS]

  like oh darn no one thought to ask that [TS]

  yeah I asked it then they told me [TS]

  they're not going to tell you the [TS]

  release date if they decide they're not [TS]

  going to tell you the release date but [TS]

  it's the fact that you get to take the [TS]

  thing home and use it for a week and [TS]

  write about it while no one even knows [TS]

  it exists so then the day comes out you [TS]

  are there deign date with your review [TS]

  which must have been this is gonna be a [TS]

  strange change for Gruber too because he [TS]

  just posted his review of the Steve Jobs [TS]

  bio so he's used to being able to have a [TS]

  leisurely pace if he's not ready to talk [TS]

  about it he's not ready that'll be [TS]

  interesting to give him an early look [TS]

  and then he doesn't post anything yeah [TS]

  all of a sudden no that's a really good [TS]

  point and that that's something and he [TS]

  said many times is that he likes to take [TS]

  his time with stuff and I feel like [TS]

  there's the expectation from Apple that [TS]

  hey we're gonna give you a private [TS]

  keynote and we're gonna send you away [TS]

  with a MacBook Air they do have an [TS]

  expectation there well there's a [TS]

  difference between like I think the [TS]

  reason Gruber doesn't want to feel rush [TS]

  is because if if you found out about at [TS]

  the same time as the rest of the general [TS]

  populace the worst thing is to have to [TS]

  go and now like get something up that [TS]

  day because it's going to be sloppy and [TS]

  not to a depth at it like that's not his [TS]

  style and that's not the type of [TS]

  publication he has yeah but if you give [TS]

  if you give you a week with it that's [TS]

  that's probably like enough time to to [TS]

  get something significant like I think [TS]

  mostly he's trying to avoid and I would [TS]

  try to avoid too and I do try to avoid [TS]

  with my reviews I don't want to like [TS]

  have to come up with something day of [TS]

  when I've just found out about it and [TS]

  because it's just I don't I don't have [TS]

  it all settled in my mind at that point [TS]

  I don't want to have to write something [TS]

  just because that's the kind of [TS]

  publication we are we got to have [TS]

  something up like this plenty places [TS]

  that have to have something up report [TS]

  the news give a little bit of commentary [TS]

  but on that's not my style [TS]

  so a week maybe more than enough time [TS]

  to get something out Plus this isn't [TS]

  review this is like a preview type of [TS]

  thing I mean you saw this with line when [TS]

  I never wanted to talk about it because [TS]

  I want to save it all for my review I [TS]

  still kind of feel that but if they're [TS]

  going to go with yearly maybe that [TS]

  doesn't fly anymore and maybe it's got [TS]

  to be I still just don't want to do one [TS]

  review I don't to do seven articles [TS]

  about I just want to say look here's my [TS]

  review here it is but before leading up [TS]

  to it I can discuss it a little bit and [TS]

  hash out I guess yeah alright usually [TS]

  good at yeah we got to do our four way [TS]

  behind way behind John yeah we had a [TS]

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  this is like it's like a breath of fresh [TS]

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  you to frame this in your mind when you [TS]

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  name transfer it like it shows you where [TS]

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  they've got a wonderful team that takes [TS]

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  GoDaddy and didn't manage to get all her [TS]

  during the last big fit of everyone [TS]

  getting off GoDaddy yeah I was just as [TS]

  good a time as any why not yeah why wait [TS]

  I think I still have one that I couldn't [TS]

  get off GoDaddy I think I have like a [TS]

  dot name that I couldn't find somebody [TS]

  to take just see if Harper takes though [TS]

  get off of there man yeah no I got I got [TS]

  stuff off when he died and instead of [TS]

  like consolidating I spread the love [TS]

  around like all right take stuff off [TS]

  just put this one up as I didn't like [TS]

  everyone says try this one try that one [TS]

  so I try mall what do I care [TS]

  yeah put a button now my domains are [TS]

  spread out across many providers and [TS]

  they're all better than GoDaddy though [TS]

  all the ones that were recommended to me [TS]

  Oh daddy I assume we'll never be a [TS]

  sponsor of the show I I have to be [TS]

  honest um we do have some standards here [TS]

  and if they were to contact me with what [TS]

  they are currently offering with what's [TS]

  out there right now and godaddy.com if [TS]

  they were to inquire and say we'd like I [TS]

  would say I'm sorry I don't think that's [TS]

  a fit with with the audience if they [TS]

  were to redo things change things up [TS]

  stop killing elephants whatever I would [TS]

  I would definitely talk to him about it [TS]

  if they wanted to make a change [TS]

  everybody can change Sean I've got open [TS]

  like a true businessman kind of is not [TS]

  closed the door and going right ship [TS]

  they can change you believe they can [TS]

  change I believe everybody can change [TS]

  its that if I believe in one thing [TS]

  fundamentally is that people everybody [TS]

  everybody can change and if they sent [TS]

  Danica Patrick over [TS]

  that's her name maybe that would help it [TS]

  wouldn't hurt all right so gatekeeper [TS]

  gatekeeper yeah three modes well this is [TS]

  interesting because my understanding [TS]

  from my my frenzied reading since [TS]

  yesterday is that this is another case [TS]

  where a third-party developer a [TS]

  prominent third-party developer [TS]

  apparently had a large amount of [TS]

  influence over apples Directioners area [TS]

  so will Shipley in November [TS]

  of 2011 wrote an article called real [TS]

  security Mac os10 requires Apple signed [TS]

  certificates it was a blog post right [TS]

  discussing sandboxing which is big thing [TS]

  that developers are worried about [TS]

  because many things that you would [TS]

  expect to be able to do are not allowed [TS]

  at your sandbox and he looked at it and [TS]

  saying what what does sandboxing [TS]

  supposed to do in the entitlements and [TS]

  the you know you can do you're allowed [TS]

  to write files to disk but only in this [TS]

  directory every single thing you do you [TS]

  have to have an entitlement for doing [TS]

  and and the second level is auditing [TS]

  where okay you have to submit your [TS]

  application to the Mac App Store and [TS]

  presumably they look to make sure it's [TS]

  not harmful and the Wills point was that [TS]

  entitlements and auditing are fine as [TS]

  far as the extent but they not really [TS]

  are going to help you with malware [TS]

  because first of all entitlements like [TS]

  if your application needs to do [TS]

  something like needs to read from the [TS]

  address book because it's an address [TS]

  book application if it's malware of [TS]

  course it's going to masquerade as an [TS]

  address book application and you're [TS]

  going to tell the Mac App Store people [TS]

  hey I need the read from address book [TS]

  entitlement I don't even know if it's [TS]

  real entitlement by the way but I need [TS]

  whatever entitlement because that's what [TS]

  my app does and they go yeah that's fine [TS]

  yeah you should have that entitlement [TS]

  you are an address book app or whatever [TS]

  uh and auditing is you know you can't [TS]

  tell from a program whether it's going [TS]

  to do something harmful even if you have [TS]

  the source code it's very difficult it's [TS]

  so both of those things can't possibly [TS]

  actually stop malware all they can do is [TS]

  make it a little bit harder to sneak [TS]

  malware past and so oh well shepley's [TS]

  suggestion was that each developer be [TS]

  given an individual certificate such [TS]

  that when you load their application it [TS]

  is inextricably and cryptographically [TS]

  linked to their identity that's on file [TS]

  with Apple and if it turns out that you [TS]

  have mount that you know you've done [TS]

  something bad or you're a naughty [TS]

  developer it turns out that malware or [TS]

  whatever Apple can revoke the [TS]

  certificate for that application [TS]

  rendering in inert cross all Macs so [TS]

  this was bullshit please suggestion and [TS]

  you're saying like that sandboxing [TS]

  doesn't do this that the approval [TS]

  process doesn't do this what you need to [TS]

  have is to tie the person to the [TS]

  application and have [TS]

  a certificate authority controlled by [TS]

  Apple that can nuke this app remotely [TS]

  and say we found this app is bad kill it [TS]

  because all the other things means like [TS]

  if you you know if your entitlements and [TS]

  auditing stuff let's the malware get [TS]

  past then what do you do and like oh my [TS]

  god one got passed you have no recourse [TS]

  you and and really same like like all [TS]

  you actually need is the identity thing [TS]

  because once something is malware will [TS]

  find out quickly because this is the [TS]

  internet and switch it off and then [TS]

  problem solved so gatekeeper is [TS]

  different less severe and actually a [TS]

  little bit simpler than what he [TS]

  suggested but it does hinge on the idea [TS]

  of connecting developers identities with [TS]

  applications that you can prove I am [TS]

  company X or person X this is my [TS]

  application it is connected to me and [TS]

  then it Apple requires you know a name [TS]

  and email address a real address like [TS]

  whatever they wanted that whatever they [TS]

  do for their developer program so I can [TS]

  connect this back to a person all the [TS]

  way to the point where you can say if [TS]

  you did something illegal the people who [TS]

  take legal action against you because I [TS]

  look this I this is not a mysterious [TS]

  application we know the person who made [TS]

  this we can find them we have you know [TS]

  tax records for them because you know [TS]

  like that is not some sort of anonymous [TS]

  thing that we don't know where it came [TS]

  from [TS]

  right but the key difference with [TS]

  gatekeeper versus what will Shipley [TS]

  suggest it is the gatekeeper doesn't [TS]

  have that remote kill switch doesn't [TS]

  have the thing the nooks the app [TS]

  everywhere and it sounds like well it [TS]

  wasn't that the whole point the whole [TS]

  point was if malware slips through you [TS]

  need this remote kill switch it's it's [TS]

  interesting they didn't do that because [TS]

  they could have you know it's a similar [TS]

  type of thing like all this will nuclei [TS]

  but I think they actually have that for [TS]

  the app store I'm not sure but all [TS]

  gatekeeper does is block the the install [TS]

  or launch process there's no kill switch [TS]

  to kill the application you already got [TS]

  it so when they revoke the certificate [TS]

  of bad company bla application bla that [TS]

  turns out to be malware it will only [TS]

  stop new people from installing it if [TS]

  you already have that application and [TS]

  have already launched it you are not [TS]

  cured of them al where now they have a [TS]

  separate process for detecting malware [TS]

  and they know the thing that didn't Snow [TS]

  Leopard in line where it will say this [TS]

  is malware because you recognize the [TS]

  signature of Allah ah that seems worse [TS]

  is like what if I'm already infected I'm [TS]

  not being helped well look once you know [TS]

  it's malware from reading the internet [TS]

  read [TS]

  you don't know like you've already been [TS]

  infected by that point so apples not [TS]

  taking it on itself to kill that [TS]

  application everywhere and it is kind of [TS]

  like heavy-handed of like this is an [TS]

  application that somebody has and [TS]

  they've launched it and run it for [TS]

  awhile then all of a sudden the next day [TS]

  it doesn't work it's kind of like that [TS]

  thing Amazon did with the 1984 book [TS]

  where they change the version of it or [TS]

  revoked it or whatever people like that [TS]

  it's creepy where something you were [TS]

  using is fine and then they the next day [TS]

  it doesn't work people are pointing out [TS]

  in the chat room that I guess maybe they [TS]

  don't have a for iOS it's not for [TS]

  malware but things like I'm my copy of I [TS]

  mean still works just fine you know one [TS]

  works fine too and my understanding is [TS]

  that if you have if you bought it and or [TS]

  I mean if it's free but they still [TS]

  consider free like purchasing if you [TS]

  have purchased an app even if it is [TS]

  later subsequently removed from the [TS]

  store you can still get it like I can [TS]

  put my name on any of my iOS devices [TS]

  that I buy until they change this rule [TS]

  forever if I get a new I a new iPad [TS]

  today or when the new iPad three comes [TS]

  out in March I go get it I can put on a [TS]

  Mon that because I already got it [TS]

  that's not malware that's just like oh [TS]

  we don't approve there right but it's [TS]

  something that was that was in the store [TS]

  and then got rejected later a remove [TS]

  polled later so they can do something [TS]

  different with them on a malware all [TS]

  right but so the the point of gatekeeper [TS]

  is it seems like it leaves people in the [TS]

  lurch but the analogy that we'll simply [TS]

  made on Twitter what's great is that [TS]

  it's like it's like a virus like a real [TS]

  virus you don't need to cure people the [TS]

  virus you just need to stop its spread [TS]

  and that's what gatekeeper does like the [TS]

  second they flip that switch you have [TS]

  quarantined it that will no longer [TS]

  spread anymore because anybody who has [TS]

  not already downloaded and launched this [TS]

  application will not be able to do so [TS]

  because were they to do so they'll see [TS]

  the certificates revoked involved and [TS]

  they'll get the warning and stuff like [TS]

  that right ah now the three the three [TS]

  radio buttons you were talking about are [TS]

  the different modes that you can run [TS]

  your Mac in right one mode is exactly [TS]

  like Lion [TS]

  you just run whatever the heck you want [TS]

  and this you know it's it's exactly the [TS]

  same is in line you know when you in [TS]

  Safari or something you download an [TS]

  application the first time you launch it [TS]

  it says this application was downloaded [TS]

  infinitely sure yeah yeah so there [TS]

  already is like that Barry's been there [TS]

  since I think just nut up Snow Leopard [TS]

  maybe yeah [TS]

  but that's the that's one mode that's [TS]

  not the default hub [TS]

  the opposite end of the spectrum Oh tis [TS]

  only run things from the Mac App Store [TS]

  and that's straightforward to understand [TS]

  it's like look anything is not from the [TS]

  Mac App Store sorry not going to happen [TS]

  and many people were afraid this would [TS]

  happen because it would really kill the [TS]

  third-party market for applications [TS]

  outside the Mac App Store and it is an [TS]

  option on mountain line but that is also [TS]

  not the default the default is only [TS]

  allow Mac App Store applications and [TS]

  applications that are signed for the [TS]

  certificate like in other words [TS]

  applications that we can trace back to a [TS]

  person according to apples [TS]

  record-keeping and that we can revoke [TS]

  those certificates for it's different in [TS]

  that right now individual developers [TS]

  don't have a way to sign applications I [TS]

  mean you can you can do it with a code [TS]

  signature yourself and just sign it to [TS]

  make sure the application hasn't been [TS]

  tampered with and it's lets you do [TS]

  things like provide an update to your [TS]

  application that doesn't ask you for the [TS]

  keychain warnings again because you can [TS]

  prove that it's a set from the same [TS]

  developer as before but really you could [TS]

  just be a fly-by-night thing and make [TS]

  your own little certificate and the fact [TS]

  that you know it all does is help you [TS]

  prove that your application hasn't been [TS]

  tampered with somebody else it doesn't [TS]

  protect you against malware because they [TS]

  have no way to find you and hunt you [TS]

  down and hold you accountable certainly [TS]

  in a way to revoke that certificate and [TS]

  disable that application but the under [TS]

  mountain line the certificate would be [TS]

  an Apple issued certificate they would [TS]

  say ok you have proven to Apple that you [TS]

  or this person here is a certificate [TS]

  please use this design your applications [TS]

  instead of like that your you know your [TS]

  own sort of self signed certificate Lee [TS]

  as they guess the equivalent of you know [TS]

  if you know about SSL self-signed [TS]

  certificates there's a third-party [TS]

  vouching for you saying you are who you [TS]

  are sign your apps with this and that's [TS]

  the default mode the default mode is [TS]

  anything for the Mac App Store is fine [TS]

  and anything you download off any place [TS]

  on the Internet as long as it's signed [TS]

  by an official Apple developer [TS]

  certificate will let that go through - [TS]

  ah and again the idea is that if it [TS]

  turns out to be malware Apple rogue so [TS]

  should you forget the people who are [TS]

  infected or infected but we stopped the [TS]

  spread so it's very deferential to [TS]

  almost to a fault to not stepping on [TS]

  people's toes because you would assume [TS]

  that every single reputable developer is [TS]

  going to I mean they're already signed [TS]

  up for the developer program probably [TS]

  you know some than pirating of [TS]

  development tools or anything they're [TS]

  not going to submit to the Mac App Store [TS]

  say they're not into that they're just [TS]

  going to put it up on their own website [TS]

  up there there [TS]

  they're going to sign it with the Apple [TS]

  certificate so they can show that [TS]

  they're up and up you know what I mean [TS]

  and that being the default all it stops [TS]

  people from running are things that [TS]

  aren't signed up what wouldn't be signed [TS]

  weird open-source stuff which probably [TS]

  people shouldn't be playing with anyway [TS]

  freeware and other stuff is not [TS]

  maintained like and that you know that [TS]

  may be unfair to them was like a hug now [TS]

  I got to get a tip again I gotta sign [TS]

  this ID just like having this free app [TS]

  there's lots of apps that run fine but [TS]

  they're not maintained for you know I [TS]

  haven't updated this version because it [TS]

  runs fine it does some simple thing or [TS]

  it's made by developers who are not [TS]

  really Mac developers primarily this may [TS]

  sound still like a grim scenario but [TS]

  realize that all this that I'm talking [TS]

  about is just a series of dialog boxes [TS]

  on the first launch that say something [TS]

  about do you want to run this or not ah [TS]

  and there's even a bypass where if you [TS]

  right-click and select open which nobody [TS]

  ever does if you ever don't do an [TS]

  application and doesn't never yeah if [TS]

  you right-click an application icon in [TS]

  the finder and select open it's the same [TS]

  as doing a double click but it's not the [TS]

  same on mountain lion in one particular [TS]

  way if you do that it doesn't even put [TS]

  up the dialog box and says hey this [TS]

  thing hasn't been signed or blah blah [TS]

  blah like in other words people power [TS]

  users and people just want to run stuff [TS]

  will not be prevented from doing so all [TS]

  this this is a series of dialog boxes [TS]

  that are making sure that you want to do [TS]

  this and the reason requiring explicit [TS]

  action like that that's important [TS]

  because malware you can imagine wanting [TS]

  to like auto launch or run itself by [TS]

  putting in your login items or do some [TS]

  other thing that's not initiated by you [TS]

  back that's like an extra level of [TS]

  malware on top of like it just doing [TS]

  something bad when it runs so if you [TS]

  know what you're doing even in the [TS]

  default mode I mean I might actually [TS]

  leave it in the default mode depending [TS]

  on how well all this works even the [TS]

  default mode where it says I only accept [TS]

  Mac App Store applications and things [TS]

  that have been signed by an Apple [TS]

  certificate you can still run all your [TS]

  other stuff you just the first time you [TS]

  run it right-click and select open and [TS]

  it off it goes some of the chatroom says [TS]

  you sure that's not a bug no I'm not [TS]

  sure that's not a bug but uh like it I'm [TS]

  pretty confident that power users and [TS]

  people who just want to run stuff aren't [TS]

  going to be impaired by the system [TS]

  amount in line but that it will do [TS]

  almost everything that will should we [TS]

  was suggesting in terms of [TS]

  stopping malware not by nuking it all [TS]

  remotely but by simply stopping its [TS]

  spread if there ever is any kind of app [TS]

  alright I'm brick nuke it from orbit the [TS]

  only way I'd be sure so this is a very [TS]

  nice compromising I think everybody's [TS]

  pretty happy was compromised most [TS]

  developers I've seen and you know talked [TS]

  to personally or read interviews with [TS]

  like you know the nightmare scenario was [TS]

  Mac App Store only and that didn't [TS]

  happen and this is a pretty nice [TS]

  compromise incorporating a concept that [TS]

  was not really present in line and [TS]

  earlier which is the idea of a trusted [TS]

  apple developer being able to stake [TS]

  their reputation on you know their [TS]

  application like good good developers [TS]

  want this good developers want to be [TS]

  able to say look I'm willing to say I'm [TS]

  willing to stand behind what I produce [TS]

  let my my inherent goodness and my good [TS]

  intentions be worth something and don't [TS]

  treat me the same way you treat you [TS]

  would treat someone who is just trying [TS]

  to scam people or produce malware or [TS]

  whatever that must be incredibly [TS]

  frustrating for people who are longtime [TS]

  reputable solid Mac developers being [TS]

  subjected to the same rules as people [TS]

  who are keyword spamming the App Store [TS]

  and putting a bunch of crap apps that [TS]

  have malware hidden in them and stuff [TS]

  like that that some way to connect your [TS]

  reputation with your application and in [TS]

  exchange for that connection to receive [TS]

  benefits and the benefits here are that [TS]

  you continue to sell your application [TS]

  outside the Mac App Store there's no [TS]

  approval process that Apple does not [TS]

  take cut but nevertheless your [TS]

  application has given higher standing in [TS]

  the default configuration of the [TS]

  operating system then some random things [TS]

  someone compiled into name and sign now [TS]

  on the issue of those dialog boxes that [TS]

  come up Dustin Curtis had a blog post [TS]

  complaining about the particulars of [TS]

  those dialog boxes and I kind of don't [TS]

  blame him so once we do that we better [TS]

  we better do our second sponsor just [TS]

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  their support Rackspace comm the dialog [TS]

  boxes yes sir [TS]

  so you download a DM which is an open [TS]

  source application sure as heck not [TS]

  going through the Mac App Store does not [TS]

  subject any approval process GPL I think [TS]

  I mean you download that on that line [TS]

  and you try to run it okay in the [TS]

  default configuration the dialog box you [TS]

  get says and it depends whether you [TS]

  running it raw or running it from a disk [TS]

  image or anything like that it says Adam [TS]

  has not been signed by recognized [TS]

  distributor and may damage your computer [TS]

  you should move it to the trash that's [TS]

  pretty harsh yeah move that's telling [TS]

  you what to do with it yeah and the [TS]

  buttons I think there actually is a move [TS]

  trash button the default button on the [TS]

  dialog box I see and Dustin Curtis this [TS]

  thing is eject disk image but I think [TS]

  that's only because it's from a disk [TS]

  image had you just had the application [TS]

  you know when they completely expand [TS]

  just the application ends up in your [TS]

  downloads folder yeah I think then the [TS]

  default button would be moved to trash [TS]

  so has not been signed by recognized [TS]

  distributor that's true like that's [TS]

  that's what Apple wants to get banned [TS]

  they want to say look we want [TS]

  applications for people who stick their [TS]

  reputations on the [TS]

  application so that you know if they [TS]

  screw you I'll never download software [TS]

  from this recognized person again and [TS]

  it's up to Apple to maintain like you [TS]

  know the identity system and make sure [TS]

  they don't keep trying to get new [TS]

  identities or whatever uh and may damage [TS]

  your computer it's like whoa whoa okay [TS]

  not signed by a recognized distributor [TS]

  but it's going to damage my you can't [TS]

  make that conclusion just because like [TS]

  especially in the transition when it's [TS]

  going to take people a while especially [TS]

  people who are not accustomed to doing [TS]

  any kind of code signing like all the [TS]

  open-source Mac applications or [TS]

  applications that are not updated that [TS]

  frequently to get on board say okay I [TS]

  guess if we don't want to be put in this [TS]

  in this ghetto like this is the flipside [TS]

  of the trusted great triple-a developers [TS]

  on the Mac platform being given [TS]

  preferential treatment because they're [TS]

  willing to go through these hoops it [TS]

  means that everyone else who was just [TS]

  kind of like well we've been going along [TS]

  fine we got this app it's pop it's doing [TS]

  this thing now now they have to do [TS]

  something they didn't have to do before [TS]

  to get in to that good camp and so [TS]

  saying it may damage your computer I [TS]

  guess that's true it may but like the [TS]

  vast majority of software is not malware [TS]

  it seems kind of harsh uh and then you [TS]

  should move it to the trash it's not [TS]

  even like like they're gonna tell you [TS]

  then you know may damage your computer [TS]

  in case it's not clear to you we think [TS]

  you should just chuck this thing down so [TS]

  this is a pretty big stick to make [TS]

  anybody who's on the up-and-up get and [TS]

  get an Apple certificate sign your [TS]

  applications no approval process no cut [TS]

  of profits just get the certificate and [TS]

  sign it so you don't won't be subjected [TS]

  to this Dustin calls it a fear mongering [TS]

  dialog it is kind of fear mongering but [TS]

  like if you want the benefits of I'm a [TS]

  trusted developer I you know I want all [TS]

  the benefits that come with me doing the [TS]

  right thing the flip side of that is [TS]

  that the people who aren't willing to do [TS]

  those things get get dinged so I think [TS]

  the dialogue is kind of harsh but it's [TS]

  it's the it's the flip side of the thing [TS]

  that everybody wants you can't have the [TS]

  good part without the bad part and this [TS]

  is the bad part and I don't think it [TS]

  will take that long for developers to do [TS]

  this and especially since like who [TS]

  installs software you know you kind of [TS]

  want someone who's not really [TS]

  knowledgeable about computers you want [TS]

  them to buy from the Mac App Store [TS]

  because it's problem free [TS]

  and if they're you maybe don't want them [TS]

  downloading installing random [TS]

  applications now maybe you want to [TS]

  install IDM for somebody and you just [TS]

  say okay you know cancel you can click [TS]

  through that dot it's not stopping you [TS]

  from doing it's just a scary message [TS]

  like you know Adam is fine I've been [TS]

  using it for years you know and go on [TS]

  your way but the [TS]

  your way but the [TS]

  this ugliness is motivation for the atom [TS]

  developers to get a certificate in sign [TS]

  and I'm assuming they will assuming that [TS]

  it does not impair their license [TS]

  restrictions or whatever they will do [TS]

  that now the other issue that related to [TS]

  the sort of the haves and have-nots the [TS]

  good guys and the bad guys split that's [TS]

  you know starting to happen here is that [TS]

  and this continues to be a source of [TS]

  contention for even the good developers [TS]

  Apple has been introducing api's that [TS]

  are only available to applications that [TS]

  are in the Mac App Store and this [TS]

  continues in mountain line so the iCloud [TS]

  applique P is alclad is neat you might [TS]

  you want to use it you got to be in the [TS]

  Mac App Store [TS]

  why no technical reason just that's it [TS]

  that's apples carrot and stick approach [TS]

  all over again like the carrot is hey I [TS]

  cut api's the stick is and you better [TS]

  get in our App Store if you want them [TS]

  because I don't know because they want a [TS]

  couple of profits because I think the [TS]

  Mac App Store is a better experience for [TS]

  all users and they want to encourage [TS]

  people to go in there using every tool [TS]

  in their disposal to try to get you into [TS]

  the Mac App Store Notification Center [TS]

  reportedly reportedly from the chat room [TS]

  I don't even remember who said it is [TS]

  also you know it's a headline feature of [TS]

  a mountain line you can look at it on [TS]

  Apple's website it's very similar to [TS]

  growl and Notification Center on iOS 5 [TS]

  you want to use that apparently you need [TS]

  to be in the Mac App Store and so the [TS]

  obvious question for all the Triple Aim [TS]

  AG developers is hey well if we do this [TS]

  thing where we get your official [TS]

  certificate and we put the Apple stamp [TS]

  of approval and we connect our [TS]

  reputation with this application can we [TS]

  use iCloud then can we use Notification [TS]

  Center and people who have asked that in [TS]

  their briefings to Apple Apple has been [TS]

  nothing to announce no Bob you know wish [TS]

  you watch like they don't have anything [TS]

  to say about that right now [TS]

  clearly Apple is getting the feedback [TS]

  I'm sure they're getting an earful of it [TS]

  now that's what people want they say you [TS]

  know we don't want to be subject to your [TS]

  approval process we don't want to have [TS]

  to be sandbox like the Mac App Store [TS]

  ones do especially if you can't resolve [TS]

  this untenable issue where you know [TS]

  transmit the FTP application literally [TS]

  cannot exist with the sandboxing as it [TS]

  currently exists now because it the [TS]

  whole point is that it writes reads and [TS]

  writes arbitrary locations and then in [TS]

  the file system you know we would we [TS]

  would like to be as good as citizen as [TS]

  we can be but we just can't be in the [TS]

  Mac App Store because our application [TS]

  doesn't fit in your definition of what a [TS]

  proper Mac App Store application is but [TS]

  we do want to use the iCloud API we do [TS]

  want to use Notification Center why do [TS]

  we have to be ghettoized [TS]

  in terms of feature parity and API use [TS]

  simply because we're not in the Mac App [TS]

  Store it so it's that's still a rough [TS]

  situation in the middle there and that's [TS]

  a place where developers I'm sure are [TS]

  sending Apple their feedback and should [TS]

  be sending it and saying hey if we sign [TS]

  if we if we connect ourselves to this [TS]

  app let us use all the api's and I [TS]

  really hope Apple does the reverse that [TS]

  decision you're upset yeah I like it I'm [TS]

  upsetting time like I can't yeah any [TS]

  time I think apples making a mistake [TS]

  because I can't think of like what it [TS]

  what is the what is the motivation for [TS]

  keeping iCloud Mac App Store only if you [TS]

  think Apple is evil it's like well they [TS]

  want to cut up your money they want to [TS]

  have control they want to they want to [TS]

  control your destiny completely they [TS]

  want you under their thumb and getting [TS]

  you in the Mac App Store does that but I [TS]

  don't think Apple is cartoonishly evil [TS]

  so you have to what else is it the light [TS]

  side thing is they really believe that [TS]

  the Mac App Store experience as proven [TS]

  by the iOS experience is such an enabler [TS]

  of more people buying applications more [TS]

  people using them people having fewer [TS]

  problems that a controlled experience [TS]

  for application distribution [TS]

  installation of installation is better [TS]

  for the customer and what's better for [TS]

  the customer is better for Apple because [TS]

  more people buy Apple stuff and [TS]

  eventually is better for the developer [TS]

  like everyone hated the iOS App Store [TS]

  where they had such tremendous control [TS]

  and approval process and all that stuff [TS]

  but the benefit is that people are not [TS]

  afraid to install apps on their phone [TS]

  right and if you're a developer you're [TS]

  going to complain about the approval [TS]

  process until a bazillion people install [TS]

  your stupid tilting beer-drinking [TS]

  application on day one of the iPhone you [TS]

  would have never gotten eight million [TS]

  people to download your stupid [TS]

  beer-drinking application the day of new [TS]

  iMac came because installing [TS]

  applications and on Mac OS was scary [TS]

  and installing it in iOS was tap-tap-tap [TS]

  look good you tilted it looks like I'm [TS]

  drinking a beer chi-ching [TS]

  that that experience you know that's the [TS]

  light side explanation that Apple really [TS]

  believes this is good for everybody yes [TS]

  it's super painful and annoying for [TS]

  developers and his issues to be worked [TS]

  out but it's good for Apple because we [TS]

  get some of your money everything and [TS]

  and we get to pick what's on our [TS]

  platform it's good for users because [TS]

  they're not afraid to install [TS]

  applications and eventually eventually [TS]

  it we swear to you it's good for [TS]

  developers again in cases like [TS]

  applications that cannot exist on the [TS]

  Mac App Store as the rules currently [TS]

  apply like SuperDuper which is an [TS]

  awesome application or transmit which [TS]

  everybody loves for file transfer that's [TS]

  that's something has to be fixed there [TS]

  that's like a problem to be addressed [TS]

  because what are they going to say oh we [TS]

  think file transfer is not important [TS]

  anymore or we think disk cloning is [TS]

  something that should only be handled by [TS]

  the OS vendor and we don't care that [TS]

  billions of users love that product you [TS]

  know that's something that needs to be [TS]

  worked out and that's that's a source of [TS]

  frustration and the fact again that the [TS]

  sandboxing stuff like the people like [TS]

  like panic or asking about transmit I [TS]

  didn't even know if Dave is asking about [TS]

  super duper but they would like to know [TS]

  so what's the deal with a sandboxing you [TS]

  said we all have to be sandbox by such [TS]

  and such a date but we can't we [TS]

  literally cannot cannot distribute our [TS]

  application sandbox so we cannot be in [TS]

  the Mac App Store or say they're in the [TS]

  Mac App Store now and have to pull [TS]

  themselves out we've got to leave the [TS]

  Mac App Store if you enforce this rule [TS]

  so they move the deadline and still no [TS]

  word in sandboxing so we're all still [TS]

  waiting on that Apple loves to think [TS]

  about these things long and hard kind of [TS]

  like they presumably thought long and [TS]

  hard on gatekeeper and I think it's a [TS]

  good sign that gatekeeper uses a lot of [TS]

  the things that they will simply [TS]

  suggested I think we'll Shipley was [TS]

  briefed actually a mountain lion and why [TS]

  would he be briefed well because they [TS]

  said hey you know that thing you wrote [TS]

  the big lock blog post about which [TS]

  re-read because you're a prominent Mac [TS]

  developer well let's show you what we [TS]

  did what do you think of this it's kind [TS]

  of like what you suggested but it's [TS]

  actually a different and better and in [TS]

  interesting ways that's I guess that's [TS]

  why you briefed real shipley on it but [TS]

  that's the new kinder gentler Apple they [TS]

  don't just implement your thing and and [TS]

  you find out with everyone else they'll [TS]

  come in and say hey we like that idea [TS]

  take a look I don't know what the cause [TS]

  and effect relationship is they may have [TS]

  been working on something like that for [TS]

  a while but clearly Apple is a being [TS]

  influenced by developers and B [TS]

  not above acknowledging that fact he [TS]

  used to be that you know Apple would [TS]

  read a bunch of stuff and be influenced [TS]

  by but they would never come out and say [TS]

  oh because we'll Shipley suggested this [TS]

  idea that's why we did it [TS]

  they were just never do that it wasn't [TS]

  it wasn't done but you don't admit where [TS]

  our inspiration comes from you know you [TS]

  can draw your own conclusions but now [TS]

  they were just by you know they're [TS]

  they're coming out and saying you know [TS]

  we we're going to brief you and we read [TS]

  what you did and check this out isn't [TS]

  this cool and that's nice to not be [TS]

  stingy with the with the praise or [TS]

  anything it could be some sort of legal [TS]

  thing where they don't want to do that [TS]

  so Apple took my idea I'm going to sue [TS]

  you but that's the kind relationship [TS]

  people want to have with Apple's that [TS]

  they they they can call will Shipley and [TS]

  show him what they did and not think [TS]

  he's going to go home get a lawyer and [TS]

  sue them for stealing it Lydia you know [TS]

  that's not the world we want to live in [TS]

  we also say thanks very much to [TS]

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  it Merlin Mann has a really great [TS]

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  seen these really cool slideshows out [TS]

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  amazing service thanks very much to [TS]

  Squarespace comm for making this show [TS]

  possible it's got one more thing on molo [TS]

  you know like the meloa you know I I [TS]

  like I like the beans growing on me I [TS]

  like it a little bit more [TS]

  it still seems a little silly and [TS]

  unnecessary it is but when you when you [TS]

  say it I like it I like Singh mountain [TS]

  lion mountain lion yeah if you don't [TS]

  notice it you just swallow up a mountain [TS]

  lion she just called 10.10 dot [TS]

  I don't know so this is something you [TS]

  were getting up earlier in the show a [TS]

  mountain lion could potentially keep us [TS]

  in the region of pain of Mac OS 10 [TS]

  versions either for a longer period of [TS]

  time or perhaps perpetually and the [TS]

  region of pain has traditionally been [TS]

  defined as 10 point X point zero through [TS]

  five ish so those are the versions where [TS]

  you're like alright so 10 point X point [TS]

  Oh everyone's like okay the point one's [TS]

  going to be out in like a few weeks and [TS]

  there's going to be bugs or whatever but [TS]

  we'll get over it but it really does [TS]

  take these releases a while to settle [TS]

  down you mentioned how ten point six was [TS]

  so great in stable and ten six zero was [TS]

  not that great and ten six like in the [TS]

  early ten six versions I would I avoided [TS]

  upgrading some computers because I had [TS]

  upgraded other ones and seen a bunch of [TS]

  problems I'm like no I don't wanna deal [TS]

  with that an app incompatibility and all [TS]

  sorts of things where you know app [TS]

  having to battle you some of the Apple [TS]

  can control but it's like look if a [TS]

  bunch of my applications don't run right [TS]

  on Snow Leopard yet I'm not going to go [TS]

  to Snow Leopard yet so I wait a little [TS]

  bit ten six 110 62 then those app [TS]

  developers get around to okay here's the [TS]

  Snow Leopard native you know not in so [TS]

  awkward native but here's one that works [TS]

  with Snow Leopard we resolved that [TS]

  annoying bug and you know the you know [TS]

  so by the time you pull the trigger when [TS]

  it's up to ten six three ten six four or [TS]

  something all your apps are ready for [TS]

  apples worked out the worst of the bugs [TS]

  and then you get into like the salad [TS]

  days ten six five ten six six ten six [TS]

  seven ten six eight but time you the [TS]

  1068 man ten six is solid right like [TS]

  that's what you're running on your [TS]

  little minis that are running headless [TS]

  somewhere right it's the latest version [TS]

  of United States that's what you that's [TS]

  what you want because you know you don't [TS]

  have to worry about it [TS]

  yeah and like but you know ten five when [TS]

  it's like 10 5 9 w got 10 5 10 and [TS]

  remember like by the time you get into [TS]

  those late dots you know they're not [TS]

  adding features anymore and they're just [TS]

  stamping out bugs and that's you know [TS]

  it's a confidence builder yeah and [TS]

  there's no reason you have to upgrade to [TS]

  a new operating system either you could [TS]

  say well if you're happy with that just [TS]

  stick with [TS]

  but Apple has just been so aggressive [TS]

  about encouraging people to upgrade to [TS]

  the next operating system that's [TS]

  sticking like for example sticking with [TS]

  ten six that's really tough like I have [TS]

  one machine left in my house that has [TS]

  ten six and like not a week goes by that [TS]

  I don't download an application and see [TS]

  a little circle with a line through it [TS]

  over the icon telling me oh this is ten [TS]

  seven only like I don't even think about [TS]

  it I just download it and I didn't look [TS]

  at the fine print and I get in my [TS]

  Applications folder yep sorry ten seven [TS]

  only like why is this ten seven only [TS]

  this thing has doesn't use any ten seven [TS]

  specific API is you know because Apple [TS]

  is so good and incurred you know it may [TS]

  be sin seven only because just because [TS]

  they wanted to use like some Objective C [TS]

  feature that only this in ten seven or [TS]

  is easier to use in ten seven they [TS]

  didn't have to worry about tens like [TS]

  there's so many reasons to follow apples [TS]

  lead it very quickly your ability to [TS]

  stand an old operating system and also [TS]

  continue to participate in the community [TS]

  of people developing new applications [TS]

  and updating existing applications is [TS]

  impaired so when the releases were [TS]

  longer and you had ten six five through [TS]

  eight or whatever then you could say [TS]

  like that's nice that the OS is changing [TS]

  much everybody's apps have been updated [TS]

  to be it's not to be you know Snow [TS]

  Leopard compatible and it's just there's [TS]

  a smooth sailing for a while before the [TS]

  next big disruption ah now what is Lian [TS]

  going to be up to before mountain lion [TS]

  comes out a lion is on ten seven three [TS]

  now is it even going to get to ten seven [TS]

  five before it's rudely replaced with 8 [TS]

  10 8 zero yeah and then we're back into [TS]

  the bad times again right [TS]

  and that's exacerbated by the fact that [TS]

  some basic stuff that work that should [TS]

  work right in ten seven didn't work [TS]

  right in ten seven zero fine were used [TS]

  to that but we're on ten seven three and [TS]

  Safari is still blanking out my tabs and [TS]

  going all white and my mouse still [TS]

  occasionally you wake the computer up in [TS]

  the mouse won't move anymore I got a [TS]

  plug and unplug and that didn't happen [TS]

  on Snow Leopard and we're up to ten [TS]

  seventy three all right so maybe like [TS]

  just before mountain lion comes out ten [TS]

  seven four or five issues out and these [TS]

  problems disappear but then I got a [TS]

  whole new crop of problems like well we [TS]

  ever will be perpetually be in a state [TS]

  where we're in the immature wringing out [TS]

  period of an operating system if we're [TS]

  going to do you really releases and [TS]

  that's why I really hope Apple takes to [TS]

  heart this in [TS]

  churn rate and says we've got to be more [TS]

  conservative with what we change in [TS]

  these OS is we can't do you know that's [TS]

  maybe they go to a tick tock model [TS]

  because if they don't go to tick tock [TS]

  model I think users will tick tock model [TS]

  is you do one big radical change then [TS]

  you refine and you do one big radical [TS]

  change and then you're you're fine and [TS]

  it doesn't have to do with how much new [TS]

  wizzy stuff on this is on the screen has [TS]

  to do with like little annoying bugs [TS]

  like oh we changed the way Wi-Fi works [TS]

  and now Dan can't get his Wi-Fi work [TS]

  consuming only do that in I forget if [TS]

  it's the ticker the talk do that like [TS]

  every other release it's not a big [TS]

  headline feature like the little airport [TS]

  you know everything looks the same like [TS]

  they change but underneath it so they [TS]

  had to rip out the guts and totally [TS]

  replace it because they're they're [TS]

  revising the operating system fine good [TS]

  do that but only do the the totally [TS]

  overhauling Wi-Fi and one release and [TS]

  then the next release do not overhaul [TS]

  Wi-Fi again just hammer out the books [TS]

  right because no matter how an operating [TS]

  system is I'm respective of like do I [TS]

  like how the apps look do I like what [TS]

  they did to Mission Control versus [TS]

  expose and stuff like that that's not [TS]

  even though I'm talking about I'm [TS]

  talking about the basic functionality of [TS]

  like can't wake from sleep networking [TS]

  not reliable a little annoying niggling [TS]

  bugs that are like I'll come on do I do [TS]

  I even want to think about this anymore [TS]

  I don't want to think about Wi-Fi [TS]

  working it's just supposed to work and [TS]

  when it doesn't you feel just betrayed [TS]

  by the entire experience you know you [TS]

  don't even have time to get mad about [TS]

  Mission Control some other thing you're [TS]

  scrolling or whatever your pet peeve is [TS]

  UI wise because you I I'm willing to [TS]

  roll with the punches let them change [TS]

  because that stuff can change but if [TS]

  Wi-Fi doesn't work right man that makes [TS]

  me think oh I shouldn't have I shouldn't [TS]

  have up grid I don't know I don't have a [TS]

  lot of these problems of the blind but [TS]

  like the Safari one drives me nuts [TS]

  because they even backboard that to 10-6 [TS]

  its downgraded experience in terms of [TS]

  reliability I held off on safari 5-1 for [TS]

  a really long time and you would think [TS]

  by 1073 that I would earn doubt nope [TS]

  they do not so if they're going to do [TS]

  that intend you know if they can do the [TS]

  type of cycle if if they keep doing this [TS]

  like if ten eight is just like ten seven [TS]

  has been then what people are going to [TS]

  say is well ten seven is finally [TS]

  stabilized to ten seven seven like with [TS]

  some security patch or you know whatever [TS]

  because they do continue to update them [TS]

  after the new one comes out with most [TS]

  people security updates right I'll say [TS]

  well I'm not gonna upgrade a 10-8 I'll [TS]

  wait for ten nine like skip every other [TS]

  release you know what I mean [TS]

  that will be users voting with their not [TS]

  so much but their wallets but with their [TS]

  you know with their point releases to [TS]

  say I can't be on the cycle I can't [TS]

  every single summer totally destroy my [TS]

  computer's ability to base to do basic [TS]

  functions and wait for two more point [TS]

  releases and if I say oh I'm not going [TS]

  to upgrade to ten eight until I get to [TS]

  ten eight four well then like ten nine [TS]

  is just being announced then all right [TS]

  so Apple really needs to if they're [TS]

  going to increase this like like this [TS]

  they really need to nail down the [TS]

  reliability otherwise either adoption [TS]

  curve is going to suffer or the [TS]

  reputation it's going to suffer because [TS]

  if they keep up the adoption curve by [TS]

  really encouraging everyone to just keep [TS]

  upgrade and upgrading people are going [TS]

  to start to think of max as being less [TS]

  reliable you know because these little [TS]

  you know point-o problems will still be [TS]

  there and and if they don't keep up the [TS]

  adoption curve then they're going to be [TS]

  in a situation where people are waiting [TS]

  and like well we just released ten eight [TS]

  why isn't everybody upgrading well [TS]

  because ten seven is finally settled [TS]

  down they don't want to go through that [TS]

  again so they're just going to wait for [TS]

  ten nine because they know it's coming [TS]

  next year you know I mean so this will [TS]

  be this is a puzzle for them and this by [TS]

  the way some people complained about [TS]

  that in my line review like why didn't [TS]

  you complain about all these little [TS]

  things that don't work every point zero [TS]

  is like that and when I write my review [TS]

  I'm writing off the dev free use and [TS]

  maybe I get to see the point zero I [TS]

  don't like to in an OS review say this [TS]

  is super buggy so you shouldn't buy this [TS]

  operating system because like the [TS]

  expiration date on that statement is [TS]

  usually pretty short and in in a month [TS]

  or a week or whatever when the point 1 [TS]

  to point 2 comes out history is showing [TS]

  the most those things get ironed out I [TS]

  couldn't have predicted the future that [TS]

  10-7 was going to have these problems [TS]

  and they wouldn't be ironed out by the [TS]

  point one the point two or the point [TS]

  three right so I in all these ruse I [TS]

  have to say I don't even discuss the [TS]

  topic really I say look it's as reliable [TS]

  as I expect 2.0 to be and these minor [TS]

  issues are going to ironed out now I [TS]

  think in a 10-8 review I have to [TS]

  acknowledge the fact that didn't work [TS]

  out so well for ten seven if they are [TS]

  going to advance this cycle it's [TS]

  something we need to think about in [TS]

  terms of reviewing it I don't think it's [TS]

  fair to to ding the OS and say you [TS]

  shouldn't upgrade to this because that's [TS]

  kind of like implicit in all the things [TS]

  like look don't upgrade until all your [TS]

  apps are ready until it's settled down [TS]

  or whatever but overall what they're [TS]

  trying to do with this OS gets thumbs up [TS]

  thumbs down [TS]

  sideways you know so I don't have to [TS]

  think about that for ten eight I will [TS]

  probably just judge the features and new [TS]

  applications on on their intentions and [TS]

  their implementation and not get hung up [TS]

  on predicting the future of niggling [TS]

  little bugs so what do you think it's [TS]

  nothing less than I expected for me I [TS]

  really wish I do could talk about the [TS]

  internals because there are some talk [TS]

  about them but now I can't do it can't [TS]

  do it it's under its under NDA why would [TS]

  today was supposed to be they were to [TS]

  talk about file systems remember that I [TS]

  do remember that that's a long time ago [TS]

  I still have notes on that I have not [TS]

  looked so I can say this without fear of [TS]

  breaking NDA but my guess is that [TS]

  nothing exciting happening on the file [TS]

  system front tonight but I don't know [TS]

  that for a fact because I literally have [TS]

  not looked but I will be sad if that's [TS]

  true very sad and we can talk about why [TS]

  perhaps on another show yeah I'm glad [TS]

  that well so a couple couple of [TS]

  questions I guess that are sort of [TS]

  related to the way that you will maybe [TS]

  be writing this review and using what [TS]

  are your plans then immediately will you [TS]

  be confiscating your wife's computer [TS]

  will you be installing [TS]

  molo on it I installed it and ran it on [TS]

  I mean I have many disks so I installed [TS]

  it and played with it on my Mac Pro last [TS]

  night but when I'm writing my review I [TS]

  like to have like my environment on my [TS]

  Mac Pro to do the writing sure and I [TS]

  don't like to sort of and I like to be [TS]

  testing a pretty clean machine so I have [TS]

  a dedicated iCloud account just for [TS]

  review writing so it's not it's not my [TS]

  real contacts it's not my real stuff [TS]

  it's not the accumulated cruft of [TS]

  twenty-something years of me bringing [TS]

  high information around like I don't [TS]

  want it to try something in the OS and [TS]

  have it not work because I have some [TS]

  corrupted preference file from ten years [TS]

  ago so I like to have a nice clean [TS]

  install a new Apple ID and just get like [TS]

  the experience that a new user would get [TS]

  setting everything up and doing things [TS]

  so that's why I need a second computer [TS]

  now since the line [TS]

  interview when I did me this deal my [TS]

  wife's computer to have hers running [TS]

  line next to me she's since gotten a new [TS]

  computer she has 11 and Jer now with the [TS]

  big Thunderbolt Display and everything [TS]

  so the old MacBook Pro that's like the [TS]

  pre unibody MacBook Pro the one right [TS]

  before that is completely free for me to [TS]

  use and not have to bother her computer [TS]

  at all of course so that's what I did [TS]

  today I've installed mountain lion on it [TS]

  booted up logged in and core image [TS]

  doesn't work so nothing draws the menus [TS]

  don't draw I can't launch any [TS]

  applications I can just sit there [TS]

  looking at the doc in the menus I can't [TS]

  even pull down a menu so some sort of [TS]

  GPU driver bug in the previous is [TS]

  previous and the preview release of [TS]

  mountain lion which means that I cannot [TS]

  actually use her MacBook Pro until I [TS]

  guess the next Developer Preview so I [TS]

  was trying to install it in VMware I [TS]

  heard you say that people were saying [TS]

  that they did not have success [TS]

  installing mountain lion in VMware but [TS]

  I've heard from at least one person who [TS]

  has had success instilling that mind [TS]

  VMware so so the person I don't know the [TS]

  details of the person I had just seen [TS]

  Arnold Kim who does the MacRumors stuff [TS]

  uh that's he doesn't he does the Mac [TS]

  rumors right I yes I think so yeah so he [TS]

  had retweeted somebody else who had a [TS]

  screenshot of the kernel of a kernel [TS]

  panic when trying to give it who knows I [TS]

  mean that was that was done near 24 [TS]

  hours ago a lot has happened since the [TS]

  VMware is touchy like in preparation for [TS]

  getting mountain lion on island update [TS]

  update my line VM 210 73 because it was [TS]

  on ten 72 because I hadn't run it in a [TS]

  while and by the way running lion in [TS]

  VMware is actually officially supported [TS]

  and allowed it's not some illicit thing [TS]

  like VMware supports that you're allowed [TS]

  to do it it works without any hoops [TS]

  jumping through just straightforward [TS]

  install and during the ten seven two to [TS]

  three update in VMware this progress bar [TS]

  like stop the midway through I noticed [TS]

  that time machine was grinding the disc [TS]

  so I saw all right stop time machine [TS]

  don't back up you know stop backing up [TS]

  let let VMware go and VMware would not [TS]

  progress anymore and I'm assuming it's [TS]

  some sort of weird interaction of like [TS]

  file locking or maybe there's some sort [TS]

  of deadlock or where VMware is waiting [TS]

  for permission from a lock acquired by [TS]

  time machine to continue its work if [TS]

  someone wasn't thinking along those [TS]

  lines and wasn't running like FS usage [TS]

  like I was from the command line and [TS]

  whether you know DTrace type stuff to [TS]

  figure out what the heck's going on they [TS]

  may just assume that it's impossible to [TS]

  upgrade from ten seventy two to three [TS]

  and vmware but it's not true it's just [TS]

  they I'm assuming somewhere there's some [TS]

  sort of like deadlock situation so what [TS]

  I did was totally shut down the vm [TS]

  machine quit the application to release [TS]

  all locks turned off time machine [TS]

  brought the thing back up redid the [TS]

  update from from the last snapshot and [TS]

  suddenly it worked so the people who [TS]

  tried to install mountain lion in the [TS]

  kernel panicked you know maybe something [TS]

  else was going on that was angering [TS]

  vmware because it's you know it's the [TS]

  type of thing where it that's why i [TS]

  think it's totally plausible that [TS]

  somebody was successful in somebody was [TS]

  not or that somebody was successful with [TS]

  their second try but not with their [TS]

  first try so i maintain hope that it [TS]

  will that i will be able to install it [TS]

  and I also hope that whatever the next [TS]

  developer preview of mountain lion is [TS]

  will install on my wife's old laptop so [TS]

  I don't have to steal her macbook air [TS]

  again which she has angrily forbidden me [TS]

  from doing but what's the other yeah you [TS]

  know it's also actually I don't even [TS]

  think I can do that because like I said [TS]

  I steal the air and I put it on the desk [TS]

  next to me obviously I'm not going to [TS]

  actually install mountain lion on the [TS]

  air like it's always on an external [TS]

  drive but then how do I connect the [TS]

  external drive to the air I don't have [TS]

  any thunderbolt drives and all the [TS]

  external drives that are currently [TS]

  connected are computer are done through [TS]

  the Thunderbolt Display and that's all [TS]

  in the other side of the rooms not [TS]

  movable so I'll have to figure something [TS]

  out [TS]

  or I could just try to get a writing [TS]

  environment up in Mountain Lion I mean I [TS]

  suppose I could do that just it doesn't [TS]

  feel right to me like having a separate [TS]

  stuff but now that you're on a yearly [TS]

  cycle for this I would think that you [TS]

  would need a computer that you could [TS]

  dedicate for this it's clearly something [TS]

  you're going to need it's not like [TS]

  you're going to get you know three years [TS]

  in between your reviews anymore you'll [TS]

  be you will be working on this on an [TS]

  ongoing basis you will require a [TS]

  dedicated computer for this I would [TS]

  think that you need to acquire one well [TS]

  in the natural cycle of recycling [TS]

  computers that should happen like my [TS]

  wife's MacBook Pro which is you know [TS]

  it's got four gigs of RAM it's it's a [TS]

  quality machine it's nothing wrong with [TS]

  it it's it's perfectly capable of [TS]

  running a mountain line even though it's [TS]

  not you know it's not even a unibody [TS]

  MacBook Pro so it in theory that should [TS]

  be like oh she gets a new computer and I [TS]

  use her old one and if they [TS]

  make new Mac Pros come out Ivybridge [TS]

  Marco thank kill me if they ever produce [TS]

  numerous a new Mac Pro I will buy one [TS]

  pretty quickly and then I'll have an old [TS]

  Mac Pro this machine is still awesome [TS]

  that I'm using right now and that old [TS]

  Mac Pro would become the machine so I [TS]

  don't feel like I need to buy a separate [TS]

  machine for it I should just have them [TS]

  as a natural process of me constantly [TS]

  getting new Macs it's just for in a [TS]

  weird situation here where the Mac Pro [TS]

  refuses to ever be updated and the one [TS]

  machine that I have it's perfect for our [TS]

  testing mountain lion on the particular [TS]

  developer preview that we have available [TS]

  now is angry Cory Cory image is very [TS]

  angry is the core image it could have [TS]

  been CL instead of C I couldn't tell [TS]

  from the font it could if it was CL it [TS]

  could be an open CL thing I don't know [TS]

  yeah I don't know anyway [TS]

  graphics drivers angry there are you [TS]

  angry on that machine so it's useless [TS]

  Gruber says that I should end my show [TS]

  early and sit in a talk-show I can't [TS]

  tell if he's joking um be great if you [TS]

  want to but you you have to stop that [TS]

  I'm trying to bring it and that's that [TS]

  so we can do his show [TS]

  that's hot job you got to tell me that [TS]

  you said we got a hard stop at 1:30 is [TS]

  like all you got to go somewhere be some [TS]

  it's just Gruber that's not hard stop [TS]

  come on like he's ever gonna be there [TS]

  1:30 exactly he says he's listening [TS]

  right now he is that is that's this is [TS]

  strange he's actually here listening [TS]

  live I don't think I don't know if he [TS]

  ever does is maybe sick okay anyway I'm [TS]

  all done so I will stop at 1:30 as [TS]

  requests you don't want to sit in you [TS]

  don't wanna be part of the talk shop [TS]

  I'll sit in for a little while I can't [TS]

  sit him for the whole show if he really [TS]

  wants that I don't know if he's just [TS]

  kidding well do you get it you [TS]

  straighten out with him if you really [TS]

  want to do it we're gonna end this show [TS]

  first night yeah well end well so we'll [TS]

  end this show so here's what you got to [TS]

  do you want to follow this guy on [TS]

  Twitter follow Syracuse at nosy si RAC [TS]

  us a nosy in there and you now you're [TS]

  blogging now you're writing recipes is a [TS]

  pasta how to make pasta so maybe tell [TS]

  what's the URL for that [TS]

  that's Sark use that a tumblr calm [TS]

  because I didn't come up with a good [TS]

  domain for it I think that is a good [TS]

  domain in 2012 that's whatever all the [TS]

  kids have that yeah I like that almost [TS]

  once a year can you put that into the [TS]

  show notes can you [TS]

  we'll do that even though we have not [TS]

  discussed it I'll put in the show all [TS]

  right now we have discussed well we have [TS]

  so the show notes five by five TV slash [TS]

  hypercritical slash fifty-five and we [TS]

  want to say thanks very much to the the [TS]

  lovely ladies at help spot calm the best [TS]

  darn help desk software in the business [TS]

  so go check them out to their supporters [TS]

  of this show you can follow me on [TS]

  twitter i'm dan benjamin and by the way [TS]

  we just wanted to mention one more thing [TS]

  which is last week you could not record [TS]

  so we did a I don't know if it was [TS]

  authorized or unauthorized but you you [TS]

  didn't want it in the hyper critical [TS]

  stream which is understandable it wasn't [TS]

  a hyper critical show it was kind of [TS]

  critical yeah you can call it kind of [TS]

  critical it's a different show kind of [TS]

  critical Marco Arment and Merlin Mann [TS]

  joined me for a tribute to you where we [TS]

  criticize some things and so that [TS]

  episode 54 was not hypocritical is the [TS]

  tribute yeah that was straight little [TS]

  Jack Black reference for those of you in [TS]

  the audience so we had episodes for [TS]

  hypercritical is actually just a public [TS]

  service announcement it was a non [TS]

  episode and I only received one [TS]

  complaint about that somebody who said [TS]

  it paraphrasing but I I was all ready to [TS]

  go and I hopped in the car and I was [TS]

  ready for my hypercritical and instead I [TS]

  got this crap you're telling me there [TS]

  was no hypercritical shame on you and to [TS]

  that person and anybody else who had the [TS]

  similar experience I apologize that was [TS]

  why I did want it to go into the stream [TS]

  so that would not happen so I'm sorry if [TS]

  I let you down but if you have if you [TS]

  want to complain to someone about that [TS]

  complain to me because I will not let [TS]

  anything in the hypercritical feed that [TS]

  does not feature me no not going to [TS]

  happen I think that's perfectly valid to [TS]

  your show and for people who didn't like [TS]

  it this is why you should always [TS]

  subscribe to these special feeds [TS]

  subscribe to the after-dark subscribe to [TS]

  the special subscribe to at the movies [TS]

  they're low volume they're not there all [TS]

  the time but you want to have them on [TS]

  your iPod so just put them in there yeah [TS]

  so shame on them yes alright well thanks [TS]

  everybody for tuning in and we will be [TS]

  back again next week by [TS]

  you [TS]