47: Brute Force Attack
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siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin
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today is December 23rd 2011 it's Friday
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this is episode number 47 we have a
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of massachusetts hello Dan Benjamin of
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the lower part of the United States
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wherever you love Florida Texas that's
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it I know I was born and raised in
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Philadelphia Pennsylvania right but I
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mean like as a Riesling adult uh as an
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adult I lived in South Florida Central
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Florida and Austin Texas and North
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Carolina Raleigh area there you go for a
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while more southern states yeah try to
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hit them all I'm done now all right stay
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here for a while I'm gonna start today
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is a episode with a quote this is from
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Wallace set Stanley ser si y re okay
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nothing to do it would you call him a
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super ser I don't know I don't know if
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that's how you pronounce his name he was
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a professor at Columbia University in
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the early 1900's he died 1972 according
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to Wikipedia probably not a Super Saiyan
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and this quote that I just looked up is
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from The Wall Street Journal in 1973
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okay I don't know how I guess they
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quoted him after his death post post
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post whom ously quoted yes I quote
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assess academic politics is the most
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vicious and bitter form of politics
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because the stakes are so low have you
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heard that saying before I've never
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heard that before
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I have I heard many times before but
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they had no idea who it was attributed
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to so I looked it up and that quote
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applies to two topics from the last show
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I think and we will cover both of them
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in the follow-up segment Wow starting
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with the most trivial of the two with
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lowest stakes and of course had the most
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vicious and bitter feedback from readers
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sure and that is the offhanded comment I
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made during some other topic about how I
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didn't like how some fortune article had
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made Steve Jobs his last name possessive
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right and they had written it Jay OBS '
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and I said I didn't like that you did
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not like I liked Jay OBS apostrophe s
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now for the record I don't remember you
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saying that you thought that it was
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wrong I mean maybe I'm remembering this
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incorrectly I don't remember you saying
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that's wrong as much as perhaps
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something along the lines of that's not
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the way to do it that's not the way I
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like to do it or that doesn't make sense
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you were certainly I don't like it was
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what I said but yeah which which is true
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but then you then you asked well before
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we get to that so it regardless of what
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I said that the readers lots and lots of
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feedback on this lots of feedback
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Twitter lots of direct email to my arse
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account lots of email through the forum
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and of course the most vicious readers
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were very sure that whatever their
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position was was exactly correct like
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that there was there's no ambiguity
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there's no debate no conflict
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to quote Darth Vader and that is just a
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clear-cut issue and of course we got
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feedback in both sides of that clear-cut
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in one direction the other number when
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we talked about it your first thing you
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asked me after I said I didn't like it
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he said well isn't this just a style
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issue and I said
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well see when people say a style issue
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I'm not quite sure what they mean I mean
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what I said was I don't I don't really
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think it's like a style issue like how
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you choose to write but then I said you
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know different style guides say
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different things but you know some style
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guide say you should do it this way some
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song I'd say you should do it the other
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way so it's not it's clearly an issue
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with a I don't think anybody has the
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authority to say this is the absolute
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right way to do it because because the
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opinions do vary so much but I very
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strongly prefer one particular way so if
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I was creating my style guide obviously
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I would say that you should do it this
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way so I guess some example some
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examples from Twitter and email stuff of
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things that people said so here is I
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guess this is an email here is Brian
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Lennon bram sorry Brian
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Brandon Lennox saying this is not a
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stylistic choice I mean that's as
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straightforward as you can get this is
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not a stylistic choice the fortunes
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treatment was incorrect and Isaacson
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miraculously gets a right Isaacson's
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book by the way it says J OBS apostrophe
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s which is the way I like it better so
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now you're a fan of Isaacson and I don't
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know so this is this is Brandon Lennox
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and he said then he falls it up by
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saying I speak with the authority of an
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amateur bloggers so obviously he's
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little tongue in cheek there ah lots of
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feedback from people whose Nate whose
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last names ended s to example there Adam
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weeks and Rob Matthews and both of them
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prefer to have the apostrophe s added to
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the end of their names and Rob Matthews
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actually recommends reading the book
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eats shoots and leaves everything that
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one have not seen that one it's fairly
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well known like book about grammar and
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punctuation never never seen it made it
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through my English degree without ever
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hearing event and I think that's what
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eats shoots and leaves yeah I part of
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the book for I think I've a read part of
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it but I'm presuming that it's support
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you know when I'm looking at the I'm
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looking at the cover now here on Amazon
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which I'll put this in the show notes
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and and it is familiar to me I'm pretty
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sure I have seen this but I hey yeah why
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not like refer to the Chicago Manual of
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style for that so and then so those are
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on one side on the other side you've got
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Josh Biggs I can't help reading his
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names and I think blast Biggs where are
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you well here he is he's on Twitter
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uh says I don't know what kind of school
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Syracuse who went to but as a person
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with last name that ends in s the proper
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possessive is esta pasto he's a last
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name s ender who likes it the other way
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he just likes s apostrophe ed and then
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he says and for the record s apostrophe
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s is the British Standard whereas the s
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apostrophe is the American convention
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hmm most of the people who are just so
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sure of whatever they're both these
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people who are who are you know I like
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it this way because I have last name
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ending with s that gives me some sort of
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authority to say how it should be one
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way the other obviously even the people
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with last names ending in S can't agree
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but but so people are just so sure about
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it and it makes me wonder no they don't
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they don't even phrase it in like I like
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it this way better or whatever just like
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there is one correct way josh biggs is
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saying there's one correct way for the
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british standard is one correct way for
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america no ambiguity i mean i guess it's
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hard to get mp18 one in 140 character so
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that may not be a fair characterization
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and then some fellow named Dan Benjamin
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response to Josh Biggs and says I like
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to know yeah I'm an English major
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see how polite a I'm not to correct him
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on the trail never correct you on the
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show see that when I read that it makes
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you think that you think I needed to be
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corrected and that you have a strong
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opinion one way or the other honest I do
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I do what is yours your show that I'm
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looking you know I know what is your
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opinion I ask ' of course obviously I do
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think there's ambiguity well no no no
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ambiguity oh did now now listen if you
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if you're Steve Jobs or Matthews or
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whoever and you you want to add the
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apostrophe s you know that's your
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preference just like you can wear a blue
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sweater instead of a red sweater who
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cares you know it's your your own choice
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but as far as the one true correct way
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to do it of course it's s apostrophe
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come on it has to be the funeral edit
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because the fewer letters the better
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always alright so how do you you know
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had you come to that realization how did
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that come to it because fewer letters if
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your letters are better the less I have
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to write or type the better so it's that
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it's like your personal your personal
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rule is the fewer letters have to type
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the better therefore this is what I was
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taught in my in my technical writing
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classes the more efficient you can be
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don't say utilize when you can say use
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you know you focus on the most clear
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concise effective way to communicate
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something so if it if the choice is left
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up to me and I'm going to type J OB s
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apostrophe s or J OB s apostrophe why I
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add the extra SH I don't need down who
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but mostly 2011 who had strong opinions
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when we did not say from where their
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opinions come a lot of them I assume
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that I mean most people get their
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grammar rules from either what they've
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been taught in school or reading grammar
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books after the fact I mean because most
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people aren't born with any particular
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preference or grammar rules a lot of
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them are kind of arbitrary anyway but
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what we're all trying to do is how do
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you pronounce it let me ask this John
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how do you pronounce it so if you say
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that they're there this iPad belongs to
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John math uses this is John math uses
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rather let me correct myself this is
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John math uses iPad would you say that
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yeah it's JC to cut the problem is it
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main jobs is easier for me this is jobs
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as iPad yeah it's a little off my tongue
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that's a little better but the problem
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is none of these are elegant solutions
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the best way to say it is this iPad
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belongs to ya such a perso so no matter
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what what you did you're between a rock
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and a hard place you're forced into a
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corner and there's no good way to do it
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I would actually suggest that nobody
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should have a name that ends with an S
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that's not I think it's preposterous I
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agree with that we should implement it
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right away yeah this is we should all
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use a ski let's get on the problem isn't
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whether there's to be an S after the
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apostrophe the problem is why our people
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haven't asked Stan of their name at all
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in the English language so for for these
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types of issues like I have I have my
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personal preference my personal
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preference is mostly based on kind of
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like the same reason that the Gruber who
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we'll get to in a little bit likes to
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put the sentence ending punctuation
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outside yeah have we ever talked about
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that did we talk about that here no but
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you know that's I mean that's more of a
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clear-cut case where there is a British
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standard and an American standard I
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think most people agree on that the
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British one is the sentence ending
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punctuation outside an Englishman
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but the reason Gruber likes it on the
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outside it's the same reason that I like
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apostrophe s and that it's kind of like
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a programmer mindset where you're like
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well the thing I'm quoting doesn't
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necessarily have the period in it so why
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should the the sentence ending or even
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like the comma or whatever go inside the
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quote if it's not part of the quote you
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know what I mean like say you're quoting
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something you want to be exclamation but
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the quote is an exclamation you quoting
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it as an explanation that you know
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desquamation to go outside it's just
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it's like if you're making a string
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literal in a programming language it's
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clear that things inside the delimiters
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are part of the literal oil and things
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outside aren't like the statement ending
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semicolon and c or c++ doesn't go inside
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the quotes unless that's part of the
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string literal that's a very good very
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good argument in favor of doing it that
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way right and I think that's why he does
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me and he makes its own style guide
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right so this is how I'm going to do it
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daring fireball has a style guide this
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is what it is I get to pick it you know
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and the apostrophe s just seems uniform
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to me because like when I see s ' I'm
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like is there more than one of them and
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you're saying so all of them is esta the
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plural possessive but you know you can't
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have like your own individual style
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sweet publication has their own style
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but there are some well-known style can
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you name some style guides you named one
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a red Chicago man your style is the main
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one that I I will file and there's was
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it straight get Strunk and white but of
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oh of course it Chicago Manual of style
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is the one that I followed back when I
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eons ago in our technical writing group
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our school as a team for the old school
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that's what we followed my mother is an
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English professor at college and has
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been for most of them if not all of my
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and that's what she follows so you know
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you just you get a constant to something
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and you stick with it the whole the
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whole you know quotes with the
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punctuation inside that's one of those
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things that I love the idea of putting
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the punctuation outside of the quote but
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it feels so wrong to me it's it just I
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like it better but it just feels totally
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like I'm like I know I'm breaking my
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mom's hard if I do that so I don't do it
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yeah I feel the same way I
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I strongly prefer having it outside from
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a programs perspective but
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have made myself not do it that way to
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the point now where it looks just weird
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to me for it to be outside yeah I want
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I know that you know yeah it's a family
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thing and it just looks weird like it
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I'm so used to it the other way from
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reading it so much the other way I hear
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something bugs man I know you're making
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a point let me just throw this into the
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mix okay I'm just gonna throw this out
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there cuz I won't get your take on this
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I know you're working towards something
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I don't want to interact it makes people
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very sad ah what do you think about the
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American versus British pluralization of
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things like companies like for example
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in the u.s. we would say Apple has just
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released a brand new iPad in the UK at
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least written at least written they
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would they would write may they say this
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- I don't know Apple have just released
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a brand new iPad yes I'm very aware of
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this distinction having written about
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companies a lot in my writing career I
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would I would like to hear your comment
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on that the thing about it that is in
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certain phrasings it's natural you find
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yourself wanting to refer to the
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companies as plural but in other
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phrasings that sounds awkward to us so
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the one you just gave - sounds crazy -
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Americans like Apple have like that's
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like that's wrong right but if you if
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you've ever like edited anyone else
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talking about Apple right you'll see
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that people it in America will
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constantly refer to Apple as plural in
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certain constructs and not even realize
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they're doing it so I try very hard to
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always catch myself when I do that and
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make sure that I'm really talking about
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Apple and singular and if it sounds
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awkward you just you know you're you
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rephrase that's like you said with the
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possessive don't kill yourself like if
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it's not working here it seems awkward
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to you just just rearrange it phrase it
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differently do these two sentences
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whatever so I I do like the singular I
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recognize that British use the plural it
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really it's kind of arbitrary and you
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just go with what it that's another case
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where I think it's pretty clear-cut
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where every American publication and
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style guide says this is the American
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Way and the British it's like color and
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color with the O you and not the O you
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is there's some clear divisions between
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British and American so what I was
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getting at would be with the this
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possibly s thing is one people are just
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they're just crazy about a huge amount
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of feedback very sure of them
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and it kind of amazes me that people who
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are so sure of themselves like they
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don't feel I need to support it like
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it's just they don't say it's because of
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how I was taught or I work for
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publication X and publication X uses the
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style guide but like it's just kind of
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like a universal blanket statement I
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think a lot of people get into that I
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don't know I don't want to speculate why
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they get into that but I imagine it's
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because they're taught a certain thing
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by teacher who is very enthusiastic
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about being a certain way and they
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respect that teacher and learn a lot
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from them and they become sort of a
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disciple of whatever that teacher said
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and then like the support for doesn't
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make that much of a difference and again
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getting back to that you know stakes are
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so low thing the people would just get
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worked up about the stuff because the
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you know it's a trivial issue and you
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know I obviously from the show called
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hypercritical I'm on board with that
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because I do that about lots of things
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so style guys Chicago Manual Strunk and
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white in England apparently this thing
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called Fowler's modern English used to
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did some googling for style guides does
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the AP style manual then is like more
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esoteric ones like the American Medical
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Association has a style guide for their
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papers and you know getting getting on
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down to individual companies can have
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so I did a little survey of like the
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general purpose style guides and the
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Chicago Manual style Strunk and whites
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elements of style and Fowler's modern
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English usage all say add apostrophe s
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to the end of jobs yeah and the AP
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Manual style says no apostrophe s and
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there was a big Wikipedia thread but
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technically I should be adding it if I'm
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if I'm Welles I'm a fan of shrunken
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one-star uh not sprung well Strunk and
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white has always been like that Chicago
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Manual flip-flopped on it recently and
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like in the most recent edition of
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Chicago Manual I think they used to say
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you could do it both ways or used to say
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you should just put the apostrophe where
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they change their mind so maybe when you
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learned it it was actually the other way
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with the Chicago Manual but now they say
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apostrophe s uh and the AP manual like I
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saw this in the Wikipedia thread they
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were it was a Wikipedia thread
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discussing what should be the Wikipedia
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style guide or is it even possible to
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have a Wikipedia style guide because so
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many people contribute and stuff and
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this is big debate and people citing two
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different style guides is saying well
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these people say this and these people
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say that so on and so forth and one of
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speculated that I don't know if it's
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speculation but I can't I couldn't cite
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it you know KP style guide always
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prefers the shorter version because it's
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a really old style guide back from the
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days when you had like a wire
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communication other things that like
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charge by the letter or whatever and so
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a lot of The Associated Press thing and
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you know you had column space and you
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didn't want to have long lines and you
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wanted to fit your content in so if
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there was ever a choice between one
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style that use fewer characters than the
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other of course pick the shorter one
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which is kind of a different motivation
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but the same thing as you were saying
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where it's like a a minimalism type of
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thing omit needless words don't don't
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make things big widen flowery and if
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there's a shorter way to do it use a
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shorter way but my personal I feel I
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feel vindicated in my personal
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preference that the Chicago Manual
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Strunk and white and even the British
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Valerie's modern English usage shawl
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which are like the some of the top like
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general-purpose style guides all agree
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that you should add apostrophe s and
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some of them have exceptions for like
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Jesus and Moses which was the things I
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brought up before and sure yeah I'm
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after I'm after switch and you're
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there's a compelling argument the first
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but first time it really is an arbitrary
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though like it's you all you need to do
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is to decide what style guide you're
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writing to and stick to it and you want
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to make up your own style god it's a
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blend of these just you know document in
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its the consistency is more important
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than the individual thing but I will say
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to all the people who are just so sure
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that whichever way they said is
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absolutely right both the people who
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agreed with me and who didn't agree with
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me that anytime you're doing that with
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even with things do you think are open
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and shut grammar cases be you know look
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it up see why why is this why do I think
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this is it just because what I was
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taught what how long ago is I taught
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that where was my teacher getting that
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information you know what I mean uh so
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you're saying you're saying you're okay
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however people want to do it as long as
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they understand that they have made a
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decision and it is not a issue of being
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correct or incorrect that is simply a
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preference and style preference for them
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but see I hate the word style Dobies
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when I think of style I think of it as
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like not using passive voice or a
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passive voice is grammatically correct
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but it's a style issue if you don't want
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to use it like I don't want to sound
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that way because it's it's not it
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doesn't change the content but it
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changes like the feeling of it you know
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I mean sure versus stuff like where does
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the punctuation go in
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which I guess I mean that all falls
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under a style guy but when I think of
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style I think more of like the you know
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two equally valid things which one reads
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better versus like a style God's going
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to say punctuation goes inside and you
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don't you don't get to pick that based
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on what like how you want them to read
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this and what kind of message you want
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to send it's just like this is the rule
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right but they're all they're all
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encompassing a star guide so it's an
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overloaded word with style but I very
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strongly prefer the the apostrophe s and
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I don't like it when people use toggles
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don't do it for example Ars Technica
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takes a lot of stuff from the AP style
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guide much of which i despise and every
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time it comes up like i can argue with
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them for they say look this is this is
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the our style guide so i don't care how
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you write it or what you do it's going
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to conform to the our style guide this
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is more important for all the stuff on
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ours to be uniform than it is for them
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to but I will still argue with them that
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yeah well that bit that decision you've
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made and choosing the our style guide is
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dumb and it should be the other way
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because I have very strong preferences
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on this issue but I totally recognize
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that even the style guides can't agree
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on it and the end of hours the old
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majority rules like most of the style
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guides I found on you you know you just
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keep stacking up style guides on either
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side until you feel satisfied that one
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party is won or not you know and you
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could also come back and say hey you
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know why why is the style guide that
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came out last year better than the one
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that came out this year and ya know it's
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yeah what you know do you use the most
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up they will never uh maybe there's
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reason not to I guarantee you know some
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people like an older style for some
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reason well I well we what we were
[TS]
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talking about this the one of the the
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fans Scott Williams uh who's obviously
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got the asset and he said he prefers the
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apostrophe s you know I'm gonna go out
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on a limb and say I bet most of the
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people uh who's you know who are
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unfortunate enough to have a name that
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ends with an S and have to deal with
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this problem there I bet you all of them
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add the apostrophe s we don't need to
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hear about it I'm but I'm sure I'm
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speaking for them I don't know I bet but
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you you should what you should take from
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this is a you know I know I'm an English
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major eh that's appeal to authority and
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doesn't add anything to your argument B
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see how polite I am NOT the correct him
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on the show correctly that's the whole
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yeah I'd like that you know your your
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show tersh I know but you're you're part
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of it too you should participate as
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I participate I'd like to you know I
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don't your it's all about your theory
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I'm not gonna stomp on your alright and
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and part see uh don't be so sure that
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you know you have a sod correction to
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make because in this case as you said
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you know you thought it should always be
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as a pot cores now now I've shaken I've
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shaken your faith in the S ' I said I
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said I might consider switching but I
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still believe that the D the correct way
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to do it would be the the way that
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involves the least typing huh why why
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add characters if you can convey the
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same meaning with fewer characters
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alright so getting get to another
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trivial thing I had this in the last
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show didn't didn't get to it
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the great 5x5 Illustrated site yes that
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there was an illustration for episode
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number 45 what was the name of that
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episode it was Star Wars is not a blog
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post yes and the illustration for that
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shows a hand-drawn picture of a web
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browser looks like Safari and it in the
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web browser is my tumblr brah blog which
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I very rarely uh played oh I do have a
[TS]
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post that I want to put up there at some
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point it's like my personal non-apple
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related blog thing right it's called
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hyper critical that blog actually
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existed before the show and it's on one
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of the other incarnations of this name
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and the the the URL is Syracuse a tumblr
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calm slash search slash Star Plus Wars
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plus for the space and the thing the
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text on the page says terribly sorry a
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total of zero results for Star Wars and
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results is written result and then the s
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and apostrophe in that posture abs in
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parentheses so it's re su LT open parens
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s closed parens right and I looked at
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that and I said oh you know I hate it
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when when things do that I bet that's
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not how the real site looks I went to
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tumblr and did a search for Star Wars
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and sure enough like that's brick you
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know when you do a search for Star Wars
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that is the actual URL slash search
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slash you know Star Plus Wars and the
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text on the page says exactly that
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terribly sorry a total of zero results
[TS]
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in parentheses right for Star Wars this
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drives me nuts as a programmer because
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as anyone has ever done any web program
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you come across this exact situation all
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the time where the
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going to be so a number of things and
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you're going to stick the number in a
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sentence that in English you have to
[TS]
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figure out whether that's number number
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is plural or not and the super lazy
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programmer way is like well I just want
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to have one word so I'm going to result
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then I'll put the s in parenthesis and
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it shows that it's kind of optional
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because it's my pseudo programmer
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application of you know it takes like
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you know the Turner operator is not it's
[TS]
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not going to take all day to just do one
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little thing in there and say if you
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know if it's one don't put the S
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otherwise put the s right and yes
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localization makes this harder but you
[TS]
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can have to deal with much harder issues
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in localization you know anyway tough
[TS]
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luck but especially if it's like English
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only you know don't do that programmers
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out there take the three seconds to put
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a little conditional in there to write
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the correct word it's just that shows
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like I don't always like that pick on
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things that show a lack of attention to
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detail the person who program this
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didn't care about you know because it's
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phrase all right so moving on to the
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vicious and bitter a feedback with very
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low stakes let's let's do our first spot
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there that's a good idea we get it you
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anyway we'll do the fun one first not
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that the second sponsor isn't fun also
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they have this reminder game minder
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thing that the Jon Circus is such a fan
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oven this time they said listen Dan and
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you know it's a holiday season we
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a lot of the shows that you do aren't
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siracusa so for sure mention it on that
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one it's alright what is this you're
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uncle slam this is a new boxing game it
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just launched you basically you play as
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the presidents of the United States not
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the band but the the men and it
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basically it's a boxing game and you
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punch presidents now the single local
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multiplayer mode so you can play on your
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own you play with a friend and it used
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physics-based punching and real touch
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based jet real controls it's not the
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little virtual controller on the screen
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kind of thing and they believe very
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strongly that you should meld usefulness
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and fun so that all the locations in the
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game they're based on real places in
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America so you can actually learn about
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presidential history in the Hall of
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Presidents so the game launched about a
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week ago it has nine playable presidents
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for iPad in the coming months they're
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going to be adding more presidents you
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can buy them with in-app purchases
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they're going to have a universal
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version will play everywhere else so
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even even John circus will be able to
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play it on his iPod touch so how do you
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find out about this you go follow the
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link that's in the show notes or you go
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to iTunes and do a search for uncle slam
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and you will find it so thanks very much
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to handle Habra but lucky they don't get
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caught up in that no political the
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application policy thing I guess since
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this is a game it is it is a game that's
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true it is a game so this doesn't defame
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the presidents I don't yeah I don't
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think that they are different is
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punching a president defaming them I
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Apple is a capricious beast mm-hmm I
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don't know bite while you can
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yeah different really I just got that up
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I'm aim did you get that oh no that's
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great though how do you get the games
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for it I haven't gotten that far yet but
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like someone posted up I'm aim is up
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grab all you can on looking at okay I'll
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put this I'll put this initial I this is
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the one by Jim Van Deventer I assume so
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how many other apps could there be cold
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I mean does it have a big red joystick
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in for gettin so guess
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I will put this in the show notes by the
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way our show notes are brought to you by
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the amazing people over it help help
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spot.com best help this self wherever
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yeah so I haven't got to the point where
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I start adding roms and stuff but how do
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you add proms I'm sure there's some way
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to like it maybe add just like you had a
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like a PDF to you know a 3/3 PDF yeah
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it's free I'm sure it will be yanked by
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Apple soon so grab all you can I got the
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NES emulator back when that was on the
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store for like 15 minutes before
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athleanx this has been up for days
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though so maybe they're not going to
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yank it it doesn't come with any ROM
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side we see so I don't maybe maybe it is
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a case where they're they're going to
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allow it although it seems like
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something that's an emulator anyway
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grabbed by MAME if you can so the other
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topic that had low stakes but lots of
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feedback was talking about john Gruber's
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appearance on the verge and talking
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about bias in tech journalism and his
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possible bias in particular and
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partisanship and all that business which
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was the kind of the bulk of the last
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show a lot of feedback on that some some
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people had an axe to grind but most of
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the feedback was really good where it
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was like people people they're the
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listeners of the show good about
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responding to what was actually
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discussed in the show and not going off
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on their own independent rant about
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tangentially related to the topic right
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so here are a few examples a lot of
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people brought up good points that I
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wish I had addressed on on last show and
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I will try to address in that Steve Barr
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writes I'm just reading like snippets of
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these people's things so they wrote lots
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of stuff I'm trying to get to like the
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one point that I think is most important
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so Steve Barr says one can't read airing
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fireball alone to get an accurate view
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accurate view of the consumer smartphone
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slash desktop market and I think that's
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true that's something I wish I had
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talked about in my show when people if
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people want to read something and feel
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like they're getting just like they're
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getting all sides of the issue reading a
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blog written by a single person with a
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single voice is not going to give you
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that because it you know at its best I
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think this was in from Gruber and
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Merlin's talk at South by Southwest
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years ago or I don't even know if they
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originated but a blogging is like
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passion plus voice and so Derek fireball
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has a person quest passion he speaks
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with one voice if he tried to give you
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all sides of the issue it would it would
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not be the same experience not that
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would be worse or better or anything but
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it would not be the same and that gets
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to the j-word we're gonna like all your
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are you a journalist here you're not
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being a journalist or journalists need
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to be objective and journalist should be
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I've always been repelled by the j-word
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I didn't go to journalism school I don't
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feel qualified to call myself a
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journalist nor do I want to be a
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journalist because when I think of
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journalists I think of someone who maybe
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this is another reason I don't use the
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word is maybe my definition is totally
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wrong but when I think of it I think of
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somebody who is trying to give all sides
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of the story and find find out as much
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as possible about something and yes do
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all the fact-checking and stuff you want
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to do but they're they're not inserting
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their own voice their voice is not the
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primary thing they're they're not like
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is it different being an opinion column
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in the news page and that's when I think
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of journalism that's what I think of now
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you can have an example like a big site
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like The Verge or I don't even ours
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tactic or anything like that where in
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aggregate the site together tries to
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give a big view of the world like for
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example our stock maker has people
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writing about this exclusively writing
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about windows and writing about you know
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Android and writing about open-source
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and Apple you know so an individual
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person writing for the Apple section can
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be focusing on Apple and not talking
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about other things but the individual
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person writing for the Microsoft section
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is focusing on Microsoft and so as a
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whole the publication is you know is it
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as a journalistic endeavor right and
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they try to distinctions between simple
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straight news reporting and you know
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opinion and editorials
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and there's always a problem of like
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well where do you draw that line and how
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do you how do you make it clear to the
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reader is this an editorial or not and
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people get confused they get angry about
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it but that's that's different than a
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blog with even if maybe two people but
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one or two people but certainly
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something with just one person with one
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voice that's you know the blogging that
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the daring fireball wants to be and that
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a lot of people do is it's one person
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speaking with a singular voice and that
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necessarily will not give you that you
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know all sides of an issue right even
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even if he tries to do all the research
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and present all the information he's
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going to have one view and I think it
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would make the site less interesting and
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certainly less entertaining were key to
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edit himself to try to say even though I
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strongly feel this way about this thing
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I don't want to you know I don't want to
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put too much in my opinion that's not
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what it's about it's entirely about his
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opinion this is you know this is daring
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fireball this is John Gruber this is not
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a paper and I don't know if he considers
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himself a journalist but all and all my
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writing even though I write these big
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reviews Mac os10 and stuff I don't
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consider that a journalistic endeavor I
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consider everything I write to be like
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an editorial or an opinion column a
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supported opinion and maybe an informed
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formed opinion I will defend my opinion
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with facts but it's nevertheless it's me
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I haven't I'm not ever writing anything
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to say this is what Ars Technica thinks
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of Mac os10 no it's this is what I think
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of that ghost and if someone else who
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writes for our stock now wants to say
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something else about Mac OS then they
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can feel free you know what I mean so
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that was a Steve Barr David Cheney
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longtime listener and contributor was
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fretting over partisanship and other
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issues we talked a little bit about the
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Senate in the chat room then he wrote
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some emails one of the things he brought
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up was when Apple is an underdog and
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mainstream opinion of the company was
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low I think was appropriate for him
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meaning John Gruber to skewer trollish
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pieces of the kind that John C Dvorak
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peddled less those opinions become
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accepted wisdom now that Apple has
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become so big such articles are just
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like little gnats buzzing around trying
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to get attention there's enough general
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awareness of Apple's good qualities they
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really don't deserve the time of day and
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they aren't going to have any effect
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this is a good point of like the
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environment in which daring firewall was
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born versus the environment now when
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Apple is the underdog people seem more
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accepting of vociferous defense of the
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little guy but now that they are so much
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bigger and so much more successful who
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wouldn't say well it's not you know the
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same thing you did back then doesn't
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seem appropriate now you know why chase
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bogus things about Apple why not just
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ignore them because you know get you
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know you know I mean and I feel that
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some play sometimes to like the Mac
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elope and John Gruber both enjoy finding
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people who say things about
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Appl that are just clearly at odds with
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with reality or with the opinion of the
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people writing and they just love
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skewering them and and showing how wrong
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they are and this is a really popular
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thing to do back when the Mac was just
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on the ropes you know late 90s Apple was
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on the ropes people were not using
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maxford constantly making fun of Apple
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and so those of us who were still fans
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of the computer just felt the need to
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just SWAT down all these attacks and
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that habit can be hard to get out of and
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it ended still is entertaining to a lot
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of people including probably the people
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doing it I mean you know the Mac elope
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is a fairly recent creation of the only
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a couple years old or whatever oh who is
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that say you right between that nobody
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knows with Mac well bit except for the
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bit except for the people who know I
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have no comment under the Mac Lopez so
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you know I have no comment until the
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mangu of this but you do know if I have
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we'll talk out of that off there so
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people obviously like that kind of thing
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people who are willing to entertain that
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type of stuff it becomes distasteful to
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them when the situation has changed
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Bobby Seale is still big audience for uh
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and and there is there is still there's
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still work to be done there visit for
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example despite Apple's great success
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you still constantly see the prediction
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that Android will be the windows 2 to
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iOS right just as Windows was the
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creditor product but was you know spread
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out farther and had bigger market share
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and Android will have bigger market
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share and even though iOS is technically
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better uh it will still get pushed down
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to some little niche by Android and you
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see that sentiment like as if it's a
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foregone conclusion everywhere so even
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though Apple is still you know much
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bigger than it used to be and much more
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successful I think it's fair I think I
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think it's still just you know
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completely fair to
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attack the people making that prediction
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with the facts and say look it's the
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situation is different this time I
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myself over in an arc like this and it's
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not it's not the same I know we all want
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to think that the history tell history
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tells us exactly how you know the future
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is going to go but the situations are
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different in some important ways and so
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if people you know people write those
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articles about Android inevitably
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winning because of X Y & Z you know I
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think the other side of that issue is
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also worth airing and obviously Grouper
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has one opinion on this and he's going
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to write about he's not going to write
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about something that he doesn't believe
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in he's going to write what he believes
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and supported with his many faxes again
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this is from frank chai cheery he gave
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me a pronunciation he said chai like tea
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and then the word cheery love it good
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job Frank and he was talking about
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partisanship and some of his experiences
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of this and he says that Charlie Peter
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is the legendary editor of Washington
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Monthly used to tell his writers play
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Notre Dame in their articles what he
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meant was that you should always take
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your opponent's best arguments don't
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play a half-baked Tech College play
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Notre Dame take on the big boys he'll be
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a stronger writer writer for it I think
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this is great advice to anybody you know
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money's basically saying is if you're
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going to be if you're going to support
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your position to have it to have the
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most convincing to be the most
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convincing with your with your position
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obviously they don't do straw man which
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is vision that nobody is taking and
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knock them down but also like find out
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the strongest arguments from the other
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side and take those on to show that you
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are acknowledging and have an answer for
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the very strongest arguments of your
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opposition this goes back to you know
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what I'm saying about the advantages of
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listening to partisans right who-who are
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starting from particular premise and it
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can never be shaken from it but you know
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and I don't think that's a great thing
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to be but they will seek out the best
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arguments for their position and so
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those are the ones that you should take
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on because presumably they're they're
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spending all their time trying to find
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that anything and everything they can
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the strongest possible arguments for
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their position from which they're never
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going to waver and so the the played
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Notre Dame thing is good a good thing to
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keep in mind and also a lots of people
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have different definitions of partisan I
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do I tried to preface the the plas
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section about partisans by read the
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dictionary definitions none of which
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exactly agree with mine
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it's just getting into semantics like we
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all as long as we can all agree on what
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we're talking about I was saying it's
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the person who will who no fact will
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change their opinion they have their
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premise and they are never going to
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reevaluate that premise based on the
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changing facts no matter how they change
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they'll until the day they die they will
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always be a supporter of X and that's
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the type of partisan I said I didn't
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like that that's that's my idea of
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partisanship other people saying
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partisan is just what I was saying about
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having passion horse now from the Gruber
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Merlin Mann thing that I don't consider
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parson shit but that's just semantics
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it's just you know what word do we use
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to label the bad thing and the good
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thing so I don't think there's any
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barrier to us to people discussing this
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issue as long as we all know what we're
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talking about when we say a particular
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word so maybe an individual word is not
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I don't like the fanboy label I like
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partisan but obviously partisan people
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have different definitions they use for
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that do so if you're arguing with
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somebody about this material agreeing on
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your definitions otherwise you'll just
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go in circles and it will not get
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anywhere and I bring that up because
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Frank uses the term hack to
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differentiate between the honest
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partisan and you know a dishonest one
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one extra point in here is like the idea
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that you are seeking out the best
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arguments against and taking them on you
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got to be careful with that because if
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you're if you're not careful you'll
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start to that concept starts to include
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the premise that you have a side right
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so I want it I want to find the best
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arguments against and if you just if
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you're constantly concentrating on that
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you're never thinking about whether the
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thing you're trying to defend is still
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the case you know what I mean like just
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you have to reevaluate if you get too
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caught up and now I got to play Notre
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Dame I got then then you give you end up
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becoming that bad kind of partisan who's
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spending all their time trying to shore
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up their position without ever reading
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their position to say look is this is
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this really still correct regardless of
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how well I think I can defend it is this
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really still correct and I think that's
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the end of the Gruber section it's kind
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of weird that I end up having two shows
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before he gets to have a single show I
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don't know if I'll even talk about these
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topics but uh it you know since the
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schedule flips around he's actually
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recording after this yeah this usually
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have recorded on the Wednesday yeah but
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no not not this week because he's uh
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wherever he is on you know great some
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random vacation Vegas again Vegas tuna
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tell from the typos would he put it he
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wrote Marcos and he wrote ma RC capital
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I apostrophe s o but he did add the
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apostrophe yes well it doesn't end in a
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nest but things like you were talking
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about Merlin but how you can tell when
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Gruber in the Vegas it's yeah because of
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the via the typos and what was the other
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there are usually typos most of the
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sites if there's a mobile version of the
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site it will he will link to the mobile
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version of the site instead of the
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regular because he's doing everything on
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his iPhone has he done that recently I
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haven't seen that it's been less ever
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since I called him out on it and maybe
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coincidentally that was around the time
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that he stopped doing it in such an
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obvious way alright so moving on to some
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other follow-up Jim mirtha writes in
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about our discussion of Twitter if it's
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unified timeline notice yeah I like that
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because I want to see my replies in
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chronological order with the rest of the
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things and I thought that that would be
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something that more people would like
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because I thought the only people who
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would like reply separate would be the
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people have so many replies because they
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have so many followers that it would
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just drown out their timeline and they'd
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spend all the time scrolling past a
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million people replying to them and I'd
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you know I said well they have to be the
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minority right well so Jim has a good
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theory on why people might still want
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the reply as separate uh and it's back
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to like we don't really know we know how
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we use Twitter but I think uh in terms
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of like how many people you follow and
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we followers you have we are outliers
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probably because we have so many
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followers relative to other people sure
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and I think probably we follow fewer
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people because we both do use it you
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know like how many people do you follow
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it's not thousands all right no um
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what's the easiest way for me to tell
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you that I'm following I am following a
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whopping 190 people which I can't
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believe I'm following that many but I
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think that most of those people tweet
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once a month you know yeah I've tried to
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keep it under triple digits for a long
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time but I finally broke and the reason
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I broke was because a lot of the
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accounts I follow have like one tweet
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every three months right so Joe it's
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okay when that happened so I follow 132
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and I can read them I think so but but
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what are you saying is that
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he says I follow many people on Twitter
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only a few of whom I know personally and
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since I'm not a celebrity Internet or
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otherwise my followers consist almost
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exclusively of the very small number of
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users who I know personally I think this
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is probably typical of many Twitter
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users fewer followers generally means
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fewer mentions and replies the unified
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timeline map useful people like me but
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if you aren't getting replies and
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mentions fairly regularly it's probably
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not a feature to weigh heavily in your
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decision of which client to use so it's
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basically saying most people don't get a
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lot at replies because they're they're
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consuming I like following celebrities
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and like one or two people who also
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don't use a Twitter heavily and I can
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imagine that might be a big chunk of
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Twitter users who you know I've seen
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some statistics of I don't know if
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people are just guessing over there with
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like of all the people who are on
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Twitter how many people actually post
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something like once a day or once a week
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over Terence it's just a huge number of
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people who are following an astronaut or
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whatever and they're not saying anything
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and so they're not going to get any app
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mentions because they're not they're not
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like purchased they're consuming rather
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than then producing content right and
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for those people whether or not it has
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unified timeline it's not going to be a
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factor in their decision they're going
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to pick a Twitter client based on
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something else so that would also
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explain why there's not this big outcry
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for unified timeline because as far as
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if you never get at replies unified 9
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unifies all the same to them right down
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Apple TV talked a little bit about guy
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English's interesting taken what he
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thinks Apple TV might look like am on
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Kadeem rights in and a couple people
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wrote in with this theory wouldn't it be
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much simpler would it be more simple to
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integrate the computer / box into the
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screen and let that component be
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removable for optional yearly hardware
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upgrades this is a lot of people a lot
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of people have this theory a lot of
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people cited the duo doc you remember
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that yes the duo doc was something that
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you would uh you would take your I guess
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power book wasn't it
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power book duo and you would connect it
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to a little doc and there was a little
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thing that it would latch on to so that
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you could have all of this is back in
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the days way before bluetooth and even
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most wireless mice and keyboards and you
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would connect all your peripherals to it
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so it was simply just you drop the thing
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in the docket click the thing boom I
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never had one of these so I needed I
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didn't know people that did have them I
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thought it was quite quite handy it
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enveloped the computer was actually you
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would slide it in like that like a piece
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of bread going into a slot toaster and
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because the thing that you slid it into
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was like this big hunk and Connect
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proprietary connector that they would
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you know put all your ports out it was
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great because the do the PowerBook do it
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was really skinny it was there was the
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let the MacBook Air of its de recipe
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power power book 100 was the first
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MacBook Air of its day but the second
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MacBook Air of Apple's kept top era was
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the power book door really small really
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thin and it could be really thin because
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it didn't have to have any of the stuff
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that was on the docks of a floppy drive
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and all that other stuff and then so you
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get this really nice portable computer
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that you could use but when you got back
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to your desk you could slide that sucker
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in there and have your full-fledged Mac
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experience with your monitor and
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everything it was nice I know in
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academia a lot of a lot of people when I
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went to college a lot of the professor's
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had that because they loved that the
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ability to walk around with that laptop
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and then have the big setup when they
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went back and what I replied to a few of
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these people who I replied to and before
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I gave up replying to all the people who
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suggested this was that I really don't
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think that Apple is going to produce
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anything like the duo doc in the near
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future and there's a couple of reasons I
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think that one the the fact that they
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haven't done anything like that in a
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long time the closest thing I can think
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of that has all the disadvantages of the
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duo docker is like the iPod connector
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the dock connector and I've already
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complained about that but the main thing
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is like when it came time to do
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something like that with their modern
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products which is basically the MacBook
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Air they rather than doing a dock they
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they put it all over thunderbolt and a
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little power connector so they did the
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little y-you know the split cable that
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comes out of the back of a thunderbolt
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display right it has the power for your
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laptop and also a thunderbolt then
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proxies all the firewire and Ethernet
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and all but other stuff they could have
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just as easily made a doc to have that
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stuff but I it just seems like like
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those dock connectors are just big and
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ugly and proprietary and yes Apple has
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been known to make proprietary
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connectors in the past but it trend
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seems to be away from that they used to
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have bright airy connectors for
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everything or if not proprietary then at
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least obscure but like the new bus slot
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which it wasn't proprietary think Sun
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use new bus to but it might as well been
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provider because nobody else was using
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everyone else using yeah ISA and what
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was the IBM thing micro channel or
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whatever and you had a DB for the
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keyboards and all you know every
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connector was custom out of the apples
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printer ports even lots of things were
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physically compatible but not
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electrically compatible but the trend or
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with Apple has been to go away from
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those and go toward standard even even
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in you know the the jobs to error when
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they did the ADB port which carried
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display power for your display and USB
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and was firing on there too and remember
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that was what over one connector they
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moved away from that they went to DVI a
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lot of people were annoyed this is
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likely how they love the elegance of
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this this Apple display thing but Apple
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said no you know I know it's less
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elegant they have DVI and we have to do
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this double data rate DVI and all those
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stuff but we don't want to have a
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brighter connection anymore they went to
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USB instead of all their old stuff
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Thunderbolt is even though Apple seems
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to be ahead on it it's not apples Apple
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didn't make it up it's an Intel standard
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anybody can use it it's you know so I
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don't think they want another
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proprietary connector I've complained
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about the iPod document connector many
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times because its proprietary it's
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fragile it's got lots of pins I would
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not want something here I'm saying was
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saying ADB nut ADC yes those two
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separate things Apple desktop bus an
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Apple display connector anyway the the
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dock connector on the iPod has this
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really important property of lock in for
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iPod peripherals and everything but I
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still think was a bad idea because I
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existed before the iPod took off
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Apple would have use Thunderbolt the
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very least use Thunderbolt as its bus
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for for iPods assuming the the
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connectors could be shrunk down to the
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point where they're where they could fit
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everything in and not have any heat
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issues or whatever I don't like big wide
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connectors lots of pins and a dock
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connector that carries lots of stuff
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over it especially if it's a private
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area ends up being as big wide parallel
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connected with lots of pins on it so I
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think it Apple does not would not make
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something that like you slid an Apple TV
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box into and behind it was this big
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honking pin now maybe they can do
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something where you slide the Apple TV
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in and behind it is just a thunderbolt
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connector and power or like it just
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plugs into a bunch of standard ports but
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I don't I don't see Apple doing that I
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think they like they're like no wires
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best of all one skinny little wire
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second best and big honkin proprietary
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connectors not at all for their desktops
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and laptops that's that's my prediction
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assuming they do anything like this at
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all I mean they they have an actual
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television set and need to connect it
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so Gabriel Moreno writes in to say have
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you considered a we like pointer to
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interact with TV in a way similar to how
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we interact with a stylus or a
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touchscreen something that I haven't
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seen many he will bring it up but as
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someone who uses a Wii I have thought
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about it the Wii is interesting because
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they went through a couple of different
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phases in terms of how the software
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works so the hardware when they we
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originally launched was this thing that
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accelerometers in it so we could tell
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like which the way was tilting tilting
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until the accelerometers maxed out next
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out and then it had an IR emitter on top
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of your TV and there was an IR receiver
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in the Wiimote and so by pointing the
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receiver at the emitters it could tell
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kind of where you were pointing on the
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screen assuming many other factors when
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an IR is not the best thing in the world
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because like say you had really bright
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sunlight coming through a window
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directly at the IR receiver on your Wii
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mote it could get confused it can
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confuse by certain kinds of bright
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lights and so a little bit later in the
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development of the Wii they added the
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which was this gyroscope it could it is
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not unlike an accelerometer was just
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like tilts to a certain point and then
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it's maxed out a gyroscope is supposed
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to be able to help what the orientation
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is at 3:00 in 3d space so you could put
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it any angle you wanted in theory the
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gyroscope knew which direction was level
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and it would say you are this many
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degrees off this axis and this many
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degrees off this axis and they they can
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get confused if you shake the thing real
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hard and you have to reset them a lot
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stuff but they added and then they
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integrated Wii MotionPlus
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into the Wii mote so now you have
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accelerometers and gyroscopes and the IR
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thing now a lot of games that require
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you to point at the screen and shoot at
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something early on they use the IR
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emitter so look at the early Metroid
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Metroid Metroid Prime 3 you would point
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at the screen and it would tell where
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you're pointing based on the the 2 IR
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emitters and the receiver and figure out
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where you're pointing on the screen uh
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and they had to use do lots of software
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smoothing because if you just literally
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showed the actual values of whether
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Wiimote thought you know where the
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system thought that we went was pointing
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at any instant in time you could see the
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big jumps and stutters and everything so
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they would smooth it out with software
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to try to make it a smooth experience
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but it was still kind of twitchy
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later and a lot of games did similar
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things with us then
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they're first-person shooters and stuff
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like that later games seem to be moving
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more towards using the gyroscopes to
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figure out where you're pointing so it
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actually doesn't even matter if you're
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pointing at the screen well I guess it
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kind of does because the gyroscope is
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aligned of sort of way but it's telling
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it's basically looking at how how far is
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your Wiimote tilted so if you want to if
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you want to move your your cursor up on
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the screen you tilt the Wii mode up and
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the system is not figuring out where the
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Wii mote is pointing like literally if
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you shot a laser out of the Wii mode do
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it hit that part of your screen maybe it
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wouldn't maybe would actually go over
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your TV screen but it's clear when
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you're holding it go up go down the left
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go right and that's really what people
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just want they just want a way to
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control the thing not so much
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oh I'm pointing exactly at the corner of
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the screen and if I had a laser pointer
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taped to my wii that's exactly where the
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cursor should be and the gyroscope tends
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to be less jittery and less subject to
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environmental factors then the IR thing
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is maybe these a combination I'm not
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quite sure they just like for a modern
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game like Skyward Sword for example so
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when I think of a remote that would be
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like a Wii I think of using the current
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best practice which is go just go with
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the gyroscope and I think does the Roku
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have that someone in the chat room I
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know I think there are TV attached boxes
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that already do this that they give you
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a little remote thing to hold in your
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hand that uses gyroscopes or
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accelerometers or something similar not
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an IR emitter to direct the cursor on
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the screen as an easier way of going
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down down down right select up up select
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down you know all that business with
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your own it's a little bit easier if you
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can just point and it works really
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surprisingly well you can do lots of
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software trucks to make the cursor kind
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of stick to something like and the
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skywards in Zelda Skyward Sword when
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you're they put up a bunch of buttons on
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the screen that you want to select you
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can just kind of flick the remote in the
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direction of the button you want upper
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left lower right you know and and it
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will kind of stick to it instead of
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making you ain't exactly for the button
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and be frustrated because you're just
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off a little bit right right
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someone from saying that Roku is use a
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d-pad and but they don't know about the
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fancy Angry Bird well I think I might be
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one of the Roku's they use is ah anyway
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I think that is a good idea
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I'm sure Apple has the very least tried
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that out because from what we all hear
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about what goes on inside Apple they're
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going to try a bunch of ideas they're
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going to decide which one is best but
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and they may not ship it and then they
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may even try it develop it and patent it
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but then never use it so I have to
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assume that they have seen the Wii and
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Wii motes and things that Roku and stuff
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for doing and have given that a try and
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we'll see if they decide that's what
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passes muster for input method for your
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Apple TV but it you don't hear a lot
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about it because most of people are
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writing about Apple TV are thinking
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about touch or using something from
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Apple technologies like what
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how does iOS do it has the Magic
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Trackpad do it you know how does the
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remote app on on iOS control a control
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the stuff and we can use it you know and
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not so many people are just looking to
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the game world you know I also haven't
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heard people say they show you something
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like Kinect or use your whole body to
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control it and you wave your hands back
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and forth to change shows stuff like
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that that's also possible I'm not sure
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that you would even investigate that
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because that seems like a pretty
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expensive a solution and Microsoft
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hasn't quite even mastered it yet and
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they're still just a revision one so
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finally that's actually all the
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follow-up I have leave not that was all
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follow Wow yeah and I do have the the
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poor the poor lonely topic that got
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pushed to shows now finally waiting to
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be discussed and we could we could do
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that topic or we could talk about Lego
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Star Wars I will leave it up to you
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remind what the topic is I never told
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you but it's a it's an article that you
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brought up on talk show a while back is
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why Harper why hypercard had to die do
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you remember talking about that I sure
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so that's I wanted to say some stuff
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about that too and that's how long it's
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been in my notes but or we can talk
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about Lego Star Wars Tim I will be it
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has to be one or the other I can't we
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could do both if you have time when we
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started early today yeah alright so we
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see we started early I think we do why
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not why not do both okay that's how I
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feel I mean I don't a second sponsor
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before we do sure I do then it's a it's
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a it's a quick and easy sponsor to
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you'll like that it's tiny letter this
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is a simple newsletter app for people
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with something to say there's no HTML
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templates there's no signup beg code
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there's no API each account includes
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just a single mailing list you write it
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you send your newsletter that's it it's
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simple it's personal best of all it's
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absolutely totally free always will be
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if is a tiny letter com sign up and
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start writing today shit
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simple swill yems in the chatroom says
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the Roku excess has and he quotes
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enhanced remote with motion control for
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games hmm not sure if they use that in
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the menus but it clearly it's in there
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for stopping angry birds or whatever
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exactly I have your Angry Birds I just
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got this I name but I downloaded it on
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the computer that's in front of me right
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now with my regular iTunes account not
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the computer that I use to sync things
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up I do have that computer set to you
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know automatically download thing you
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know new things when I get them but I've
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heard in the past that if you get an app
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before it is pulled from the store for
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some reason that no matter what you can
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always download that app you will always
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be able to get to that app do you know
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this is true can you corroborate this
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I've heard that as well but I've never
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tested it yeah I was hoping it was true
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because I had the same situation I had
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to I was actually holding my ipod touch
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when I found out about this and I
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couldn't actually download it on my ipod
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touch because it requires the iOS 4.3
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and I can't even run that on my old iPod
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touch right so I quickly went over to my
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Mac and just bought you know I was going
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to buy it that I didn't realize even
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free and just did it there of course
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that's not the Mac that I use to sync
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with the iPad so later like two days
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later first of all I figured I got a
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download on my Mac I've got the IPA
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sitting in some directory worst case I
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could like manually you know drag it
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over and do stuff so when I pulled up
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the iPad it you know the the new world
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of iTunes is you go to it into iTunes
[TS]
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and it knows you already bought it and
[TS]
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it's you can go to the purchased apps
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thing you don't have to go to the
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product page just go to you know in the
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in the app store on iOS 5 go to the
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purchased button somewhere on the bottom
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and it will show stuff that you've
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purchased that you can't yet that you
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haven't yet downloaded it don't have the
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little cloud icon and I assume that it
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will continue to show that little cloud
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icon oh no TJ Loomis says it's
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definitely not true some apps are
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removed and you can't get them again so
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you know I've never tested it maybe some
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people have run out of the problem but
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it since it's still in the store we I
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couldn't test it here so I hit the
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little cloud icon and downloaded onto
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the iPad and scooter computer says he
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thinks it depends on why Apple pulled
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them this is the thing with these
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them this is the thing with these
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these thing even if you have done this
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before even if you had this exact
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situation and you said oh I bought
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something and then it went away and I
[TS]
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couldn't download it on my iPad and you
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know that really doesn't tell you
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whether in the future that will also be
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true because Apple's policies change
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without notice arbitrarily at undefined
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times with no communication to
[TS]
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developers or customers so you just you
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just never know that's why everyone
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scrambles to get the stuff as soon as
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they can you know get it I'll sink that
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why HyperCard had to die I'm also you
[TS]
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just want to talk about hypercard I did
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read the article and it does have offer
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theories on why harbor card went away
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and stuff like that but I think he
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talked about a lot of that with a group
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around the talkshow
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but it made me start thinking about
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hyper card I guess I'll um oh yeah
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addressing a few of these points well
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here can you can you please explain to
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people who maybe are not familiar with
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hyper card very briefly what what is or
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was hypercard and why should anybody
[TS]
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care about this thing yeah I'm looking
[TS]
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in my notes here I have a little first
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section unlike describing one hyper
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creditors and I realized it's probably
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not going to help people because I start
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by saying hyper card is a lot like small
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talk if you don't know what hyper card
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is the odds of you knowing what small
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talk are is a slim but I'll give it a
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try so hyper card was an application
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that you ran on a Mac classic Mac OS and
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when you ran the application it sort of
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it entered this environment and it
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metaphor was like you had stacks and I
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had cards in the in the stacks and it
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was an environment where you can create
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an application inside this other
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application and the thing that you
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created that stack you could save out to
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a separate thing and that would run
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inside the hypercard environment and
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what you were creating were basically
[TS]
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GUI applications you could drag out
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little buttons and text panes and make
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little things where you click on this
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card metaphor it was kind of like
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hyperlinks where you click here you go
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to a different card that card I have a
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bunch of feels a bunch of buttons and
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you would connect actions to these
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buttons when you when you put a button
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in you could connect a script to and you
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wrote in this language called hyper talk
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which is kind of like a friendly
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programming language not you know you
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didn't have to memory management or I
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think that it was kind of more like
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scripting but and so you would make it
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you would make these Apple GUI
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they weren't standalone applications
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like other Mac applications so it wasn't
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a first-class app but it was a hyper
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card stack and they could do fancy stuff
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people use them you know would make apps
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for accounting or database or whatever I
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made a bunch hypercard stacks as a kid
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doing all sorts of things it was kind of
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like since I didn't have a web browser
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the web didn't exist yet I would make
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things that you would normally make as
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web pages like it an interlinked series
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of things I remember doing like trying
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to do point-and-click adventures where I
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draw a little picture with a bunch of
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little things and if you clicked on that
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you go to a different card or some a new
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thing would appear on the screen right
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and later you know the game missed the
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blockbuster game this was actually built
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on hyper card uh sorry completely
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vindicating the concept of creating
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point click adventure games on I per
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card like wow they actually use Hyper I
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was question was a little bit better
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than the hyper card games I have been
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creating it like you know twelve years
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old or whatever but the great thing
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about the original version hypercar like
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it was literally a hyper card stack and
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for anyone had used HyperCard knew that
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if you held down the command key you'd
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see dotted lines around the region's
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they were clickable cuz that would help
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you debug your hyper card stack to see
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if you had set stuff off correctly so in
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the early versions of HyperCard of the
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Mac you would launch it if you got stuck
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you could hold on the command key near
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which a little dotted lines around the
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things you could click which is a kind
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of cheating but sometimes kind of not
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because just because you can click there
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doesn't mean any action would occur just
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meant that you know if you hadn't pulled
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this lever and then click there
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something happens but anyway to fix that
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in subsequent versions uh so I I said it
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was like small talk because small talk
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was like the self-contained environment
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I don't know the terminology for small
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talk so small talk fans will yell at me
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as I describe this but in small talk the
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environment for developing your
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applications was the same environment
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where they ran and it was like it was
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self hosting it was like one big image
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small talk image of the entire
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environment the OS the quote/unquote OS
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the small talks virtual OS and the
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programs you wrote and the ID they using
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to write them everything was all there
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there wasn't any distinction between I
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use this application to create an app
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and then I run the app the place where
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you created the application was the
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place where it would run the thing you
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were creating the application with was
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the scent you were just basically
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modifying the existing environment by
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I'm going to augment the environment you
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know and you just add to it and add to
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it so that was what hyper car was like
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it was a separate
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world where you made these hyper card
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stacks and they didn't exist outside of
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the world of HyperCard now it wasn't
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really self hoping hosting like small
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talk was I don't even know it's the
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right term self hosting it probably
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you couldn't modify hyper hyper card
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environment itself by writing a hyper
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card stack you were clearly writing a
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stack that ran within the environment so
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there was that distinction but it
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reminded a lot of people small talk
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because it made it easy to write
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applications without memory management
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and all this other you know it's much
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harder to write it you know a mac
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toolbox application and see back in
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those days in pascal or whatever then it
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was to write a hyper card stack so the
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reason i want to talk about this is that
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at the dawn of the PC era there was his
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idea and you heard Steve Jobs and Steve
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Wozniak expressed this idea as well back
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in the early days of Apple that are
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backing before the early days of Apple
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and they were just you know the homebrew
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Computer Club the giving computers to
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individuals instead of having them being
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kept by the men in lab coats and pocket
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protectors in the big place giving a
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computer to an individual person was
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exciting because we're like bit you know
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previously the Department of Defense or
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the big company could have one but now
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an individual can have a computer and
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what do they think that meant what so
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once an individual computer has a
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computer has that change things well
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they thought that when you gave
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individuals computers individuals would
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be excited to do with them the same
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thing as people were doing with giant
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computers the difference was that now
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you had access so Steve Jobs and Steve
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Wozniak loved to go and play with the
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big computer on a terminal of to like
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write little programs for it stuff like
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that I figured well if everybody had a
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computer ever you know you wouldn't have
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to go to this building and beg somebody
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for time to use this computer you could
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write programs on your own um and that's
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why so many early pcs like they came
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with some sort of program like some what
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some of them even booted into it that I
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remember in my first contact with
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personal computers was that when you
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turn one on you got a basic prompt that
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was just that's like that's how a PC
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work and you could write your own
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program at that prompt you could load a
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program from a tape or whatever I just
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had it had it built it had built in
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right and you can actually just turn on
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a computer and sit down start writing
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basic yeah nothing is that it no no
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floppy drive no anything like that and
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if you didn't have a built-in or you
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know the first thing you would get your
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computer is like I need I need to get
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basic I need to get a better version of
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basic so I can write better programs
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right because whatever you had there was
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whatever had shipped with the computer
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it might be basic instead of basic a
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advanced or whatever it was and and you
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didn't wanna be stuck with that yeah and
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I remember a you know getting a computer
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that did when you turned it on it didn't
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have some other programming language
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prompt was like oh that's kind of lame I
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you know doesn't even come with one like
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well this is this computer is useless
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you didn't yeah that's right a program
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in it I got I got a alright fine I go
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out and buy you know Microsoft basic and
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stick on this thing or that you know the
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next and then it that's just how how
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computers came into the world and it
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make sense them coming out of a bunch of
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nerds who like to program but the
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reality was that you know what people
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really wanted to do with computers was
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something useful not so much right the
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program so it was like all those people
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who are excited about having their own
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computers they wanted to write programs
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but other people weren't excited about
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having their own computer didn't thought
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it was kind of silly however there's
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some quote I should have looked up from
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the IBM person was a market for maybe
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like a thousand personal computers a
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thousand computers in the entire world
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because like honestly why would an
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individual on a computer because and the
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reason they thought this was because
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what was done with computers was that
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you wrote programs for them they said
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well you know come on who's going to
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us nerds we're gonna write programs
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computer and if you don't want to write
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a program why would you want that's what
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you do with the computer you write
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programs and so the reaction to seeing
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that you gave all these computers to
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people and they didn't you know non nerd
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people eventually got computers and they
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wanted to run you know visicalc or
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something they want an application to
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help them run their business they didn't
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want a program visit calculator we want
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you to give them a computer finally I
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can write programs they were never going
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to write programs and so the reaction to
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this from the computer industry was oh I
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see the problem all right so we got
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these computers to everybody but no
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one's writing programs this program is
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too darn hard the dissolution is going
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to be let's make programming easier
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because obviously like we're giving
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these people's computers NATO they don't
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even understand what they've got they're
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just like alright so I load some
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software's like no you can right don't
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you understand you've got a computer in
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your own house and you can write
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programs for it isn't that awesome we
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used to have to go to that built don't
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you know they don't get it but I guess
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it's too hard what we've got to do US
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nerds who are you
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Peters we've got to make programming
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easier uh and that's when you saw things
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like yeah logo for kids where you move
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the little turtle around the screen
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where it's like plain English type of
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programming hyper card is an example
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where it's really hard to write a GUI
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applications let's make an environment
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where regular people can finally can
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finally get the benefit that we all
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thought they should have from computers
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which is you can write your own programs
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you can make you know it's it's a it's a
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general-purpose computer don't you
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understand you can do anything and I
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think that really did broaden the base
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of what people could do people people
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who are not programmers you know who
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never would have tried to rake a
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Macintosh GUI application made hyper
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card stacks that you know they ran their
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business on for years i I'm sure someone
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out there will have some story about
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someone whose business is right now as
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they're listening to this still running
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an I Picard stack running on some like
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Mac se or something I read stories about
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that for years on the Internet where
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there's just like they wrote this
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awesome hyper card stack and it exactly
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fit their business and they made it
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themselves and they're so proud of it
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and they just want to keep running it
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forever and they're disappointed that
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HyperCard didn't live on now let's think
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about today's application application
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making environments things that make
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programming easier that the trend today
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is to make the pieces do more so an
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hypercard you make a button and you can
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make a text field you can make a check
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box and you can make like a worthy click
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on it go somewhere each one of those
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things is actually fiendishly complex
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from the perspective of like a basic
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prompt just getting like a functioning
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button and GUI and an event system and
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windowing system that's tremendously
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difficult so it's just an amazing feat
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like that you just drag a button out or
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click and make a new button isn't that
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great but today like you think about an
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automated workflow the pieces of that
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Automator workflow like things you can
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drag into an automated workflow are more
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complicated than the most complicated
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programs that existed in the dawn of the
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PC era you know one little piece of an
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automated workflow can do this amazing
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an image manipulation by just checking a
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bunch of check boxes or think of course
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Composer with the things that that can
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do with no program whatsoever just by
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connecting up lines and setting values
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it's unbelievably powerful pieces
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that you can connect together with
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little lines and dots and just click and
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buttons and gooeys that can do amazing
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things and that you can build you can
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build up a pretty complicated program
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with an automated workflow by connecting
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these incredibly powerful pieces that
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you didn't have to write which is even
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more powerful than just connecting a
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bunch of buttons you didn't have to
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write you know what I mean uh so that
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that seems to be the trend these days is
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like another way is like a very
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configurable tool right where Automator
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Automator is not you know it's not a
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programming language you'll have to
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write as no code at all it's it's just
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like a tool that you can use to build
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other tools and it's very configurable
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as lots of check boxes and you control
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how the pieces you know connect together
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and what the inputs and outputs are
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right now my take on this entire
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endeavor of making programming easier is
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that in all these cases Apple scripts
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HyperCard Automator the the harsh
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reality is that anything that provides
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this benefit that you know that lowers
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the bar for people to do powerful things
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they can figure themselves inevitably in
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all cases leads to programming
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I guess primary programming with a
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capital P even an Automator workflow
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alright once you once you get beyond the
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few set of things that you can do you
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very very quickly get into actual
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programming conditionals loops
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abstraction you know and that that leap
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into the world of being a programmer
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it's it's great that we've lowered the
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bar and more people can get into that
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world but the people who make that leap
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they they are the programmers of the
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world they are the people who think like
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programmers who can do that type of
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thing and most of the world still and I
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think always will not be that type of
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person uh no matter how easy you make it
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and I don't think it even makes a
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difference how easy you make it no
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matter how powerful the individual
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pieces are you will so quickly get into
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a situation where to assemble those
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pieces you need to understand loops
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conditionals functions abstraction it
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you know it just it's inevitable there
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is no way you can make programming and
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easy enough that you don't need to
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understand those concepts and I think
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those concepts are not natural to most
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people they're most natural to nerds and
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going up the spectrum of like less being
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less nerdy I don't even know the
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makes so much sense to us or make it an
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enjoyable or you know tolerant yeah
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worst or you know scratches our itches
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or makes us that feel good actually I
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could do a whole show about what what
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people themselves think so I should put
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that in the notes all right so while I
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been providing more powerful pieces
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I think the Utopia that people might
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have envisioned before you know before
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the dawn of the PC eight or just as the
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PC Age was dawning that she's you know
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once everybody has a computer everyone
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will be able to be a programmer that
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will never happen unless be you know
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unless the entire world's wiped out and
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the only people left are programmers you
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know it simply will not happen doesn't
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it doesn't mean that all these things
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aren't good it just means that that's
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not going to happen and they say well
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HyperCard is gone and if I we still had
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HyperCard everyone we would be making
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awesome hypercar sex everyone would not
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be like the nut percentage of people who
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can make awesome hypercard stacks is so
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small I I think we definitely need to
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continue to make development better and
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better for programmers so programmers
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can be more productive but we are never
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going to be in a world where everybody
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reaps the benefits that we as
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programmers feel we can reap we are
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making the world better for programmers
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and we programmers in turn will make the
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world better for everybody I hope right
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but it's never going to be something
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that everybody does it's kind of and
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it's kind of weird to like to think
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about that this is kind of like someone
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saying boy these amazing new modern
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woodworking tools are going to make
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everybody build their own cabinets for
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the kitchen right the it's going to make
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woodworking much more awesome and will
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broaden the base of people who can do
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woodworking versus you know it takes
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more skill to use hand tools and chisels
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to make awesome fine furniture and than
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it does to use power tools but it still
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takes a lot of skill and it's not going
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to suddenly make the entire human race
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Furniture themselves with power tools a
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they might not even want to and be the
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skills for doing that are not as
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widespread as people who are woodworkers
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might might think they're going to be
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and it's just kind of presumptuous of
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programmers to think the only thing
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stopping the entire world from from
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reaping the benefits that we as
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programmers reap is the fact that
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computers are that you know our big
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machines in a big room once we get them
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all tout to the people
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everyone will together ok well now
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they're all to the people but it's too
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hard will make it easier it's just never
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going to happen so I I sympathize with
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people with the death of HyperCard and I
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think we do need to make those tools
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better and better but I do want to come
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out against the notion that we're all
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going to be programmers because we're
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not the only people are going to be
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programmers are programmers and I we can
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grow that base I think we can grow that
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base but there's a hard limit on it not
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beyond a certain point
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oh now one more thing to talk about here
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the thing that kills me about the ways
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we've tried to make programming easier
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and broaden the base is a lot of them
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seem to be based on that that mistaken
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notion that anyone can be a programmer
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Apple script is a good example and even
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hyper talk a little bit of our the way
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hypercar was made of saying well the
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problem is that syntax is like weird and
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uh and that's that's off-putting to
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people with it with the square brackets
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and the semicolons and the weird
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punctuation and all these harsh rules
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about syntax and you got to write it
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exactly right what if we made it more
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flexible like English you know you know
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select the contents of window one put
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the folder into the wind you know that's
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Apple script right and you can phrase in
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lots of different ways and we'll do the
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same thing but use english word it's not
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punctuation because people who are not
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programmers have trouble with that
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punctuation making programming language
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more powerful and more forgiving is good
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but trying to do it by making
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programming languages that no programmer
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wants to use is not the right way to do
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it and I think Apple script with very
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few exceptions is that syntax and that
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that type of language is looked down
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upon by quote unquote real programs not
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because it's not powerful anything it's
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like it's Turing complete right it's
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just it gets in our way and the decades
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and decades of programming experience
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the human race has says that you know
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it's good to be forgiving and flexible
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and everything but the English language
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I think as we establish at the top of
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is actually fiendishly complicated and
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people can't even write regular you know
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we don't even know how to communicate to
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each other successfully in prose but
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keeping programming out of it that's not
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that's not the model to use for telling
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a computer what to do right that I
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expect that people might send email to
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me saying well what about Perl this big
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thing is that you know it's got more
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than one way to do it and it's got to be
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more like a language I think Perl is a
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great example where they took took the
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things that make programming language is
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easier things about context and and
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having different ways to write the same
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thing based on context those are those
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are ideas that we use in written
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communication but Perl is not it's not
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they didn't go whole hog and say it's
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like it's like the skeuomorphism of a
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programming language oh we're going to
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make program language look like this
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other thing which is in a program we get
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look like pros Perl does not look like
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pros I don't think anyone has ever said
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the pro looks like pros it takes the
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concepts from successful linguistic
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communication linguistic structures and
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applies them to a programming language
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and by the way I'll also add that I was
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came up this week cuz I was doing a lot
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of JavaScript Perl has such awesome
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error reporting people tell you late
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will figure out like oh I think you'd
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forgot the close quote way up here and
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that's why this error message down here
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is saying something nonsensical to you
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it will do the work to figure out you
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know and this tab was just from decades
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of development of stuff and every time I
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use a programming language like
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JavaScript it isn't as forgiving it
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would just say uh you know unexpected
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token blah and you look at that line
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like that's perfectly fine and it's
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because 17 lines earlier something
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wasn't terminated or you've got a
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semicolon or whatever and it doesn't
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help you out it doesn't it doesn't say
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by the way I think it's because you have
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a nun terminate string constant or by
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the way I think you have you know you
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didn't realize this was a continuation
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of the previous line but it actually is
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that's that's another example of making
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programming language friendlier for
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programmers because we all know what
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it's like when you get some obscure MS
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you get four you're at that error
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message makes no sense what is the
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actual error especially the languages in
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the compiled is that word just the sub
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languages realize the implementation the
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compilers they will just plow forward
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and give you eight billion messages and
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you got to like go to the first one or
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the last one or try to figure out what
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was the actual error before this thing
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went totally off the rails and the
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parser was completely confused and it
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had no idea what was going on you know
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language as high level as you want
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high-level programming languages are
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great but English is not the way to do
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that that was that was a blind alley so
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that's why I'm one of the ways I'm not
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disappointed that HyperCard went by the
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wayside and we got things like web
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programming where it's using a
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high-level language but it's not like
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English and there a lot of things
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provided for you you know HTML is easier
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than doing your own screen drawing using
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core graphics or whatever although the
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canvas element starts confusing that a
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little bit but I think the web is a
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better example of a programming
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environment that allows more people to
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be programmers but I don't think anyone
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would argue that programming JavaScript
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for the web is not real programming yeah
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that's what I have to say about the
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death of HyperCard the death of
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HyperCard my heart had to die didn't
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have to die as a nothing less if the
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EPPICard if I heard he lived on would be
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fine that the article if I wasn't
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insulting conspiracy theories about how
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Apple doesn't want people to be able to
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make their own programs and how
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HyperCard empower the users but Apple is
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all about not empowering them I think
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Apple as a company has come to the
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realization that were all not gonna be
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programmers came to that realization
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long ago and so it's not so concerned
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with making yeah
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making programming environments that
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everyone can use ready to talk about
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Lego Star Wars Lego Star Wars the
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Complete Saga the Complete Saga so there
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were a while ago not sure how many weeks
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ago it was we discussed getting a Wii
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and one of the games that you
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recommended was this Star Wars the the
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official name is Lego Star Wars the
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Complete Saga is a Wii game it's also
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available for PlayStation 3 and Xbox and
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tendo DS apparently even for the Mac did
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you know that I did so this game I guess
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collects a whole series of other games
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before it it's you know it's a very
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popular game for Wii and it's very cheap
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as far as games in general go it's like
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on Amazon and again this will be in the
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show notes and the show note the URL for
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the show notes is five by five TV slash
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hypercritical slash 47 is 1718 bucks if
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you have Amazon Prime that's it 8:17 77
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is the price in there today
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415 customer reviews and it's got four
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and a half stars so I got this thing
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loaded it up so fun game fun little game
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there's an adventure you can do or you
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could just like you said you and just
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run around and smash up little bots that
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respond endlessly are you playing it or
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is your son playing I have not I've not
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in yet introduce it to him it's probably
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going to be introduced a couple days on
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Christmas so have you bought it like
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playing playing the game like as in
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advancing through no I just ran around
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and you don't mess around with a little
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bit I think there's a two-player mode I
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think you very like yeah but just get to
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wiimotes and you're both run around
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right so I did my wife and I you know it
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looked at it to see if it was something
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he he would do or would be interested in
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doing or would be appropriate and so
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would you don't get it seemed like you
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didn't get to pick who you are you're
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just these just the two guys Anakin and
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you run around and smash things and well
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you know you unlock things eventually
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and you can play as every character in
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the entire universe you have to like buy
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them with virtual in-game currency that
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you find you know I'm right it's all
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that unlockable stuff and so the things
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I mentioned last time that I want you
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can remote-control c-3po make them
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unlock doors and make little droids do
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things it's a neat idea it's a great
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very cool game and the thing I was so
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surprised about when I got this game a
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little bit for kids I was hit the first
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the only barrier really to play in this
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game successfully is grasping the
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concept that you move the little thump
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stick around on the guy runs which
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actually is a pretty significant leap
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that I know my adults have not made that
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leap yet but kids kids once the kids get
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it they they will you know they will get
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it and that'll be it you won't have to
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but until they get it it can be
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frustrating them to see the little man
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on the screen and not quite understand
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what they have to do with their body to
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make the little man move and wavin that
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Wiimote around to make light say around
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is great because they'll figure that out
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on their own right but you still got to
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make the guy run around and this jump
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but do you find is it easier for you to
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wave the controller around to make a
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lightsaber because I found it easier
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just using controller did ya we're old
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school we use the buttons but I've found
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that kids like to wave it it's more fun
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you know and they're not so concerned
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with the max they weren't brought up in
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the unforgiving world of actual arcade
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games or a teacher quarters or even like
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early a Nintendo games where it's just
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you know we're all about efficiency
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precision because we're we have to must
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battle the machine but yeah it's a it's
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a kinder gentler word because these but
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the thing I wanted to say about this
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game is I was shocked by how difficult
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it is even for me as an adult
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gamer to figure out what they wanted me
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to do next to progress in the game yes
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not none of the individual tasks were
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ever difficult but oh my Jesus is
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supposed to be a game for kids you
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should be doing the thing you know like
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think about the early levels in a Mario
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or Zelda game they they they're so great
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about holding your hand and saying you
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know this is how you jump and here's a
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fun thing it's not like a demo level
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like the game itself ramps you in it
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says we're gonna do something that's
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going to teach you how to jump without
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feeling like you're learning how to jump
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but unbeknownst to you by doing this fun
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thing you were learning how jumping
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works and then they add to it okay now
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here's a double jumping works now here's
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how sliding works now here's how you use
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your items in Zelda because I use your
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sort you know it builds and builds and
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builds until you have the skills and
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they lead you through here's the next
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thing we think you should do oh you
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should go over there and do that or this
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is lighting up you know very clear never
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you never like stuck there going I don't
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know what to do next right at its best
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great Nintendo games and other games and
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especially kids games should lead you
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through and let you know to further
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progress that's love you must do this
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now star wars lego game unbelievably
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feel no compunction about just letting
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you sit there and go geez I have no idea
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what I'm just in this room I guess yeah
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I'm just I can't get out of this room
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none of these doors are open I have no
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nothing is glowing no little hint is
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appearing you know and I know like
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serious gamers hate that where it's like
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you've been you've been idle for two
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minutes and some little character comes
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out and hey I really think you should go
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see but like don't don't give me the
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hints its baby but this
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is a game kids I thought tell them geez
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tell them what they should do and you
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know like especially the beginning I
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assume that's what kind of game it would
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be like Jesus can't have a bug or
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something because it's not it's not
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clear what we're supposed to do next
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yeah you know as a gamer I can go
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through and figure out what they want me
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to all you got to go up to this torch
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and use the Force to yank the pieces of
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the torch off and that it explicably
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makes the wheel of a car and bring the
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wheel of the car over to the car how
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would you ever figure that out it's like
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the Hitchhiker's Guide text adventure
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this you know there's no rhyme or reason
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there's no logical way you could suss
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out if I do this this will make some
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item that's totally in Congress that
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will allow me to advance in a level I
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mean as a gamer eventually you learn
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I'll use the Force on everything break
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everything up anytime you see destroy
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everything hit everything with your
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sword and I guess kids will figure that
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out too but it's kind of cruel to make
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them basically use a brute-force attack
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to figure out how to progress in the
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I know I didn't get any complaints about
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this for my son because what does he
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knows one of the first games he's played
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but I would say that is the biggest
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failing of the Star Wars Lego games that
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there is not enough hand-holding in
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terms of progression for the kids so
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when you're playing with your son I
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advise you to figure out what to do next
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otherwise he will get bored running
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around the same exact spot because he'll
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want to like what when do I get to play
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as as you know Luke in the flight outfit
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when do I get to fly an x-wing window 8
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to wrap around the snow speeders and you
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won't be able to do that unless you
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unlock stuff so you will someone will
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have to progress through the game to
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unlock stuff to be able to play all
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these things and whether that's you or
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him it's worth doing because you can't
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get the maximum benefit out of the game
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without plowing through these very
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obscure strange the non helpful gameplay
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things that you have to do ok then this
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was your topic with Lego Star Wars but
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you're just saying
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thumbs up for it but you did know I
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didn't I didn't say thumbs up for it
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did I say those that I said uh yes it
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seems oh I haven't I haven't put it put
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in front of them yet super for his 4th
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birthday he got this big ego
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he's really into really into like Batman
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and superheroes in general Star Wars is
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such a distant third maybe third you
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know he's way more into the superhero
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so his birthday you know he got this my
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mom got him this the Batcave thing he's
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got the little figures he's you know so
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right now that was like the big thing
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and we didn't want to have that and the
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we and all happening his birthday he's
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you know his birthday is close enough to
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Christmas so he separated that out and
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uh and then my father in London and and
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that side of the femme then that now
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they got him one of these geo tracks
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Batman Geo Trax thing so with the we may
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not even be brought out for Christmas
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who knows he doesn't even know it even
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know what it's there he knows who Mario
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is can you imagine if when you were a
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kid you knew that this was happening
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first of all I don't think it was
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happening with my parents but I do the
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same thing where we will buy things to
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our children but not give them to them
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and just sort of like keep them in
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storage like oh well this is you know
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this isn't even in storage is right
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there under under the TV in the
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entertainment center yeah or you know
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hiding in plain sight I think whereas if
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I knew for example that my parents had
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bought the Millennium Falcon playset and
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thought yeah we don't give him to this
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photos wait a little while maybe give
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him his birthday or something I would
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have gone nuts knowing that's in the
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house and they weren't giving it to me
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actually happened they would just
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actually buy things and give the kids
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these days seem like they have more toys
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than then you know my children had more
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toys by the age of two than I'd ever
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owned in my entire life
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very well said absolutely right there's
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there's this video remember this guy who
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had trained his dog uh and he would put
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he would like balance the treat on the
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edge of its nose and he would have you
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know this amazing treat right in front
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and he would like make it walk forward
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and then walk backwards away from the
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treat and then lay down and all this
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stuff knowing that the treat was
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centimeters away from the mouth of the
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dog and uh you know it's it it you're
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almost saying it's like that but the
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kids they don't have any idea they don't
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care they're just happy to get it
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whenever it's there and and it's
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certainly not like
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he has no toys you know we have a room
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of toys I don't even know where these
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came from I don't know how he they
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they're here yeah and when we complain
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about this I find myself complaining us
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all time it's like you know people say
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especially people who don't have kids
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will say well you know the toys don't by
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themselves you the kids aren't buying
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the toys you are buying against you kid
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if your kid has too many toys it's
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because you're my mom made toys and
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there is definitely truth to that
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although I also think that the the
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phenomenon a relative's buying toys has
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also gotten worse in that when I was a
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kid you know my grandparents would get
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me one toy and I'll barely be that
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interested in what that toy was or
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whatever but now the grandparents want
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to get like I'm teen toys all he's now
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he doesn't want this does you want that
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you know that's just that's what
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grandparents do and that's what we all
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do that we all it especially for nerds I
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I keep meaning to set up all the Legos
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than my son's owns in his room assuming
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they will fit in his room and photograph
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them just just to catalog the madness
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because when I was a kid all of my Legos
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fit into a single tough steel toolbox
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retainer that was about like a foot and
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a half high six inches deep and that was
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all the Legos I had like I had like a
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bucket you want to play with your Legos
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dump them out that's it
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that's what you gotta and that that and
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everything I made had to be pretty good
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at all if I had one more wing piece I
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could do this but I don't
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that's right here like everything I made
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had to be there built around the limited
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set of you know space Legos that I had
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right you know you remember that movie
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you remember that movie Firefox with
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Clint Eastwood yep aggression yeah that
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okay so I wanted to make the Firefox toy
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and I had some of those you know I don't
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know if they said if he made these
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things there were flat panels like you
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could they were very very thin and you
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would just put them on top of a another
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surface and they were just flat and you
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know I never had enough to cover the
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surface of the plane yeah I didn't have
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enough nd pieces to do two wings that
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bent down one big bendy piece and one
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begin the tour tortures of the Damned so
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a lot of the reason I think that we find
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ourselves the children way too many toys
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this and how it's like compensating for
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our childhoods because we can't help it
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like I'm buying these Legos for my kids
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but Jesus I'm fine it's half buying
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Legos for myself and now I don't I don't
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build these Legos I make my son build
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every single Lego set himself the only
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when we sit down to do Lego says I will
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find the pieces of the inventory for
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each step because he has trouble finding
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them and the big thing and you know
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we're going to divide labor I find the
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pieces I put them out for you he assign
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has to figure out where they go and
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assemble them all himself but yeah a lot
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of it is nerds buying nerd toys for
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their kids that they wish they had when
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they were kids and that's part of the
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reason you know it's our own fault why
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our kids end up with too many toys but
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so getting back to buying toys and not
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giving to them I mean maybe that that's
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a little bit better than just giving
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them too many toys at least we're
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recognizing they have too many toys
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we're trying to do something about it
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we're working on it you know it's a
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12-step program but when I when I got
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skyward when I got Skyward Sword from my
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son he was dying to get that game uh and
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and my wife is like ah you should give
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that to him for as one of his Christmas
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presents and but I wanted to plan it
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before Christmas that one's good to him
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so I bought Skyward Sword and I put it
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with all the other Wii games you know in
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the entertainment center slotted in with
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all the little white other white DVD
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shaped cases and it sat there for like
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three weeks while we were playing
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another game because when I play one
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game at once we were finishing up some
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other game nice you never noticed it
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it's amazing the kids don't you know he
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can read he could have gone over there
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and read the name on the spine of every
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single wee game and seen Legend of Zelda
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Skyward Sword he would have flipped out
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but that was there for weeks never even
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noticed it kids these days yeah maybe
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they will listen back to this and be
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shocked that the the torture we put them
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through but since they're not so starved
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for toys like there's no way that a
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Millennium Falcon place that could have
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been hidden my house and we not found it
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at at that age someone the chat room
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pasted in the URL to the Lord of the
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Rings Legos coming in summer 2012 right
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yeah I'm excited about that too
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I'm ashamed to say my son is not excited
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I showed him the animated movie of The
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Hobbit but uh that's about it that's all
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we have for today's episode because /
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we're wandering into composing on one
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tech related topics but yeah it's the
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holidays folks you just got to give
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allowances for stuff like that and we
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people have asked well again I'll
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reiterate this we have been asked if we
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will be doing shows next week and in
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fact John has agreed to do a show each
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heck so about these Monday through
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Friday of next week you can tune in and
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catch John live from 8 a.m. to to 8 p.m.
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I gotta get as many shows in as possible
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for Gruber records again that's right
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because you mentioned this is to you
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know quickly uh unseating John Gruber s
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the man with the most shows actually
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it's not even good not that's not gonna
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be older than my older brother in five
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years just wait oh I suppose I suppose
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he could stop recording for two and a
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half years and then I could surpass him
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but I don't see that he'll don't give me
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any ideas it's bad enough that he takes
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these vacations yeah how dare he yeah
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well I guess that is it then for this
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episode and uh this is the last episode
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before Christmas but not the last
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episode of 2011 we will have at least at
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least one more you're gonna go get that
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call right what call is that phone just
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rang is that not you not me that's very
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alright who know I don't know there's
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all everything's ringing here okay
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Sabine Reaper's look at that I have my
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fat because we have this landline this
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is funny we have a landline it's not
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actually landline it's through the cable
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modem you know their service they give
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you a phone line so II don't that never
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use it we never receive incoming calls
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on it we only sometimes call people so I
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have my printer wall in one printer fax
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machine thing plugged into it at all
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times and I have it set to answer
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immediately so because that we don't
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even at you know no but nobody calls us
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on this thing so hopefully anybody who
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would dare call it is going to be
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assaulted by the fax machine they
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installed hit by beeps yeah yeah it's a
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war it's a in case anybody wants to know
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it's an epson workforce 633 you can do
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this remote scanning you can send faxes
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to it so if you need to send a fax you
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can just print you just hit print and
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it'll little fax right from the print
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dialog in Mac OS 10 no no additional
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sorry did you know about that kind of
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thing I did as I never want to do actual
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real paper facts I always want to do the
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magic print and then it magically faxes
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up yeah I prefer to do things over email
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with with PDF and things like that but
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when when you are required to fax
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something that that's the way to do it
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and it scans like that to which steams
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it doesn't doesn't seem possible like
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that that's one of these things all the
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stuff all the cool toys that we have all
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the neat stuff you do airplane
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everything else the idea that you can
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print right to a fax it's like mind
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boggling scan over the way because you
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don't have to plug in it's all it's all
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Wi-Fi print directly to a papyrus scroll
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that's that's right
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it would chisel your message on a little
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pyramid is very cool stuff all right
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John we'll have a great have a great
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Christmas you're tuned in and Happy
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