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  the in comfortable number 164 october [TS]

  twenty thirty [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the in [TS]

  comfortable i'm your host Jason smell [TS]

  and our topic for this episode is three [TS]

  movies that are called collectively the [TS]

  Cornetto trilogy that don't actually [TS]

  share characters they share some themes [TS]

  and most importantly they share actors [TS]

  and a director [TS]

  it's a shaun of the dead from 2004 hot [TS]

  fuzz from 2007 and the World's End from [TS]

  this year i just saw a couple weeks ago [TS]

  and i found it delightful and the other [TS]

  two movies are really great too [TS]

  so we're going to talk about all of them [TS]

  of course the common threads here are [TS]

  edgar wright the director and and just [TS]

  did he write all of them with simon pegg [TS]

  is that right leave they needed a road [TS]

  and and simon pegg and nick frost our [TS]

  star and all of them so that's the [TS]

  that's the common bond you heard voices [TS]

  but spoiler but i'm going to introduce [TS]

  our panelists now Dan Moore and of [TS]

  course contractually obligated as always [TS]

  but damn or and also loves loves loves [TS]

  the work of these guys just raised just [TS]

  like his favorite TV show ever it is and [TS]

  these people also did space they did and [TS]

  I prefer the original when i first [TS]

  started there in hearing about this the [TS]

  original name for the trilogy which is [TS]

  the blood and ice cream trilogy sure [TS]

  it's just very it's very good it's very [TS]

  evocative for the I think there's the [TS]

  coordinator flavors trilogy the other [TS]

  the three flavours Cornetto three [TS]

  flavours Cornetto because it's making [TS]

  fun of the keys Lasky blue white red [TS]

  trilogy sort of because it's an ice [TS]

  cream flavor in there different flavors [TS]

  in every movie we can talk about that [TS]

  which the yo-yo dieter identify [TS]

  st-pierre accidental themes found that [TS]

  they are and they're actually cornettos [TS]

  at all [TS]

  all three films to have that of course [TS]

  that's yes you heard serenity Caldwell [TS]

  there [TS]

  hey Ren welcome back thanks it's been [TS]

  too long ago really has i'm glad that [TS]

  you're back [TS]

  me too we captured your attention and [TS]

  big shiny ma I have how can you not have [TS]

  an egg is just a dashing fellow I know I [TS]

  don't you also heard David lower who is [TS]

  who is the in some ways the nude and [TS]

  more in because he's also on every [TS]

  podcast whoa whoa [TS]

  I know [TS]

  oh I know yeah we got to keep you can do [TS]

  that yet the contractual issues there [TS]

  are you are many yeah maybe some xmas [TS]

  any problems as long as we don't appear [TS]

  in the same room at the same time I [TS]

  think we're okay never different the [TS]

  same race like the matter/antimatter [TS]

  thing and who [TS]

  yeah thank goodness skype doesn't count [TS]

  as the same room and we have a we have a [TS]

  fourth panel of surprise panels he's [TS]

  never been on a non-live edition of the [TS]

  incomparable before you may remember him [TS]

  from our are live on stage aaron sorkin [TS]

  episode are live in a Necco a room in [TS]

  portland XOXO episode and now he's here [TS]

  to talk about the Cornetto trilogy it's [TS]

  jeff carlson hi Jeff [TS]

  hello thanks for inviting me fascist [TS]

  haha fascism ashes whatever you say hag [TS]

  the Glen fleischmann recommended you [TS]

  highly basically when I mentioned that [TS]

  we were doing this he said oh oh oh you [TS]

  have to have Jeff on so I guess you're a [TS]

  fan of these movies jeff i'm a fan I'm a [TS]

  huge fan of hot fuzz up until a few [TS]

  weeks ago I had only seen shaun of the [TS]

  dead once and I somehow seen the World's [TS]

  End three times somehow somehow I [TS]

  watching it and waking up in a movie [TS]

  theater what what what is happening [TS]

  crazy crazy circumstances that were like [TS]

  hey there's a there's a screening with [TS]

  the with edgar wright and Simon Pegg and [TS]

  Nick Frost and someone's offering me [TS]

  free tickets if I go this afternoon [TS]

  ok so I i saw that and then I saw the [TS]

  the whole trilogy on opening day and [TS]

  then Glenn wanted to see it so I said [TS]

  well go see Dionne with Glenn alright [TS]

  well I I figure we'll take these movies [TS]

  in turn before we get started I guess we [TS]

  should touch on space we mentioned space [TS]

  we never did an episode about space but [TS]

  spaced is the wood into season four [TS]

  season 7 update each debuting in i [TS]

  believe 2000 the second series aired [TS]

  while I was living in the UK and one of [TS]

  my friends there are the times i call [TS]

  you have to see this show and I got [TS]

  hooked on like the first or second [TS]

  episode of the second season went back [TS]

  ordered a DVD which for many many years [TS]

  all i had was a real [TS]

  into copy of both the seasoned rice base [TS]

  and in fact that's all I have currently [TS]

  because I want the region one copy to [TS]

  someone like several years ago and they [TS]

  still have it [TS]

  so yes and so let me i think i think i [TS]

  still have lisa's misers dvds via yeah [TS]

  the missing on your radiant the missing [TS]

  ingredient from the most of the Cornetto [TS]

  trilogy though not all of it is also [TS]

  jessica Stephenson now Jessica Hynes who [TS]

  has gone on to do some other things but [TS]

  she also I believe co-wrote with Simon [TS]

  the series but yes and she you know her [TS]

  as the leader of the sort of parallel [TS]

  universes version of the gang in shaun [TS]

  of the dead there are only appearance in [TS]

  this in the trilogy [TS]

  yes but many of the other characters [TS]

  from that showers are actors from that [TS]

  show up here in several if not there are [TS]

  a couple i think will appear in all of [TS]

  the movies besides simon pegg and nick [TS]

  frost so would you say that space to [TS]

  those of you who i I've seen like five [TS]

  episodes of space or something i'm way [TS]

  behind on this if they're good it's only [TS]

  12 years old man there are given time [TS]

  getting through don't want to eat one [TS]

  year well I know they're not making [TS]

  anymore so I'm gonna take it slow but [TS]

  that's true you're pacing your pacing [TS]

  would you say three matically they have [TS]

  they have things in common you think of [TS]

  those based absolutely hmm I mean [TS]

  automatically you know you're talking [TS]

  about all very similar like there is [TS]

  clearly about their love of all these [TS]

  different genre fictions you know [TS]

  categories of fiction and and no mando [TS]

  marshes to them and and watching we [TS]

  watched friend and i watched hot fuzz [TS]

  earlier tonight with the like overlay of [TS]

  like neck like commentary but I had like [TS]

  those facts my dream which were [TS]

  hilarious i think may have been I don't [TS]

  know that they were written by edgar [TS]

  wright but times they read like they [TS]

  were written by edgar wright but they [TS]

  had all the references 20 Marge's from [TS]

  all the other films action films he [TS]

  alerting you when clich├ęs were [TS]

  happening in the movie and they did [TS]

  something similar in case you missed the [TS]

  education is there something I missed [TS]

  honestly I was like oh yeah I don't [TS]

  think about that but like that they did [TS]

  that for some of the at least the second [TS]

  season is based on DVD i think they went [TS]

  back in the box and it for the first [TS]

  year as well like pulling out every [TS]

  single reference and there are many that [TS]

  even as a die-hard fan of many genres [TS]

  there are many that I did not [TS]

  upon first viewing more thoughts about [TS]

  space before we move on to the movies I [TS]

  i mean it's it's great it's it's seven [TS]

  pig but he is a likeable fellow is me [TS]

  even when he's playing awful awful [TS]

  characters sometimes there's something [TS]

  about him that you just wanna I don't [TS]

  know I like him he's just using you know [TS]

  that's i'm not sure i said the same [TS]

  about nick frost gonna lie I love me [TS]

  some lovely it depends on the movie in [TS]

  this case yeah i mean i'll argue that [TS]

  point but that is shaun of the dead i i [TS]

  i wanted to punch him in the face [TS]

  i'm so over you guys he was very good [TS]

  and very effective at portraying a guy I [TS]

  wanted to punch in the face when he [TS]

  comes here comes around I thought it was [TS]

  actually Redemption aspect if you mean [TS]

  that he's bitten in turns into a zombie [TS]

  and his changeup playing video games at [TS]

  the end huh [TS]

  spoiler alert wow you didn't even put a [TS]

  funny story about that which I told dan [TS]

  alright years old [TS]

  for some reason i remember the end of [TS]

  shaun of the dead I'd only seen it once [TS]

  prior to be watching it again tonight [TS]

  because i'm not a huge zombie fan but [TS]

  I'm let love her rights work i seem to [TS]

  remember and i know this is just [TS]

  something that I made up in my head but [TS]

  nick frost basically taking the shotgun [TS]

  and defending the entire the group from [TS]

  the horde of zombies and be like get [TS]

  into the cellar and then he's just left [TS]

  4 dead i don't know where this came from [TS]

  I have no idea but it like it's it's [TS]

  seared into my memory very clearly so I [TS]

  don't know whether I was just [TS]

  experiencing alternate universe shaun of [TS]

  the dead the first time I saw it or [TS]

  completing it with a different zombie [TS]

  movie but it's that's that's how I [TS]

  remembered it so watching it this time [TS]

  through is like i'm nick frost I guess [TS]

  you don't really get redeemed in the end [TS]

  of this movie it's still cute [TS]

  yeah it no and I it's funny i have [TS]

  actually I totally miss remember the end [TS]

  of hot fuzz so we'll get there [TS]

  hum but a guy because I hadn't seen [TS]

  shaun of the dead since i saw it on [TS]

  video in i'm going to say like 2006 2000 [TS]

  after it came out on video like a year [TS]

  or two later we should say in shaun of [TS]

  the dead from 2004 it's a zombie movie [TS]

  but it's a comedy [TS]

  with Scotts romantic aspects which is [TS]

  why they always called it the rom Tom [TS]

  com cum roms our moms are like that runs [TS]

  or zombie rom-com I think you go either [TS]

  way [TS]

  okay fair enough one of those people [TS]

  don't put the comm first that doesn't [TS]

  make any sense [TS]

  no because I com doesn't come first to [TS]

  comment natural and it occurs because of [TS]

  these on the wrong indeed it comes out [TS]

  of that if the Somme rom-com is a [TS]

  flowchart you put in some zombie and [TS]

  outcomes com you for any there's ramen [TS]

  the middle turned into a flowchart this [TS]

  is awful but for dr. Seuss book and yeah [TS]

  there maybe it maybe something with a [TS]

  hierarchy of needs where those arms and [TS]

  the roms becomes thank you and masla was [TS]

  sorrow many hierarchy of your nose needs [TS]

  so so it in shaun of the dead [TS]

  Simon Pegg plays a guy Shawn that's his [TS]

  name Sean I and he is a kind of a [TS]

  directionless loser but he's not as much [TS]

  of a loser as the his his buddy what ad [TS]

  who crashes at his flat and plays video [TS]

  games all day and then there are other [TS]

  roommate is peter serafinowicz who I was [TS]

  very excited forgotten that that he was [TS]

  he was in this movie and I i love him [TS]

  from especially from look around you and [TS]

  he's also in spaced and he isn't [TS]

  space-based another funny very funny [TS]

  british a dirty i just saw him he was [TS]

  just in the parks and recreation season [TS]

  premiere he's very funny actor anyway so [TS]

  what's beautiful about shaun of the dead [TS]

  is first off there a lot of parallels [TS]

  you know you're going to be watching a [TS]

  zombie movie and so you see a bunch of [TS]

  people of you see Simon Pegg sort of his [TS]

  legs are kind of like stumbling and he's [TS]

  moaning like a zombie but he's just [TS]

  waking up and then they he wanders [TS]

  through the town and there are other [TS]

  people kind of wandering around like [TS]

  zombies but they're just people but the [TS]

  thing that I remembered about this movie [TS]

  was even years later is that it [TS]

  hilariously the characters don't notice [TS]

  that the zombie apocalypse apocalypse is [TS]

  happening for a very long period of time [TS]

  while we watch the zombie apocalypse [TS]

  happening in the background which is [TS]

  delightful and it's it's a it's thematic [TS]

  to because in [TS]

  you know looking at all three movies [TS]

  they they're all kind of start with that [TS]

  head fake like where you think okay it's [TS]

  not about zombies we're starting with [TS]

  the zombies no we don't start writing [TS]

  with the zombies like you know hot fuzz [TS]

  oh it's an action movie [TS]

  no you don't start right in with the [TS]

  action movie and all of them take a left [TS]

  turn [TS]

  halfway through into some being very [TS]

  different than the second half of the [TS]

  first half which I like [TS]

  agreed alright so so Shaun of the Dead [TS]

  Sean's got his girlfriend liz but that [TS]

  their relationship isn't that great [TS]

  because he just wants to go to the [TS]

  winchester which is the favorite pub so [TS]

  she's basically gonna gonna break up ooo [TS]

  and one of her pals is gone from the [TS]

  office the the british office and Dylan [TS]

  Moran from black books which is another [TS]

  so that has a lot of crossbreed [TS]

  creativity with space that area around [TS]

  the same time huh [TS]

  so anyway the zombie apocalypse then [TS]

  happens and and Shawn's father in law or [TS]

  stepfather stepfather bill nye it [TS]

  doesn't go well for him and they have [TS]

  his cape borrow his car and it's you [TS]

  know at and they end up back at the [TS]

  Winchester that's the goal because [TS]

  that's all Sean can everything to do is [TS]

  go back to the pub and it's you know it [TS]

  well i'm not quite sure what how to lead [TS]

  this conversation because it's this [TS]

  absolutely crazy movie favorite favorite [TS]

  things about my favorite thing is that [TS]

  they're completely oblivious for way to [TS]

  way too long [TS]

  the fact that the world has ended and [TS]

  they just haven't noticed because [TS]

  they're so completely oblivious i like [TS]

  the fact that a lot of it is is it it's [TS]

  all very tight and it you know i think [TS]

  we'll probably revisit this a lot with [TS]

  the other movies too but you know there [TS]

  there's a ton of foreshadowing you know [TS]

  like at one point the pizzas to add he's [TS]

  like you know why don't you just go live [TS]

  in the shed and of course that's where [TS]

  he ends up at the end you know they they [TS]

  have all sorts of things like that the [TS]

  the scripts are really really tight i [TS]

  thought you know a lot of the dialogue [TS]

  is it [TS]

  this is great and crackly that it's nice [TS]

  at the beginning where we're introduced [TS]

  to you know Liz and this is friends and [TS]

  they're they're basically you know sean [TS]

  liz are having a conversation about [TS]

  their friends and then the camera turns [TS]

  a little bit and you see that they're [TS]

  actually just sitting right there and so [TS]

  like like little tiny details like that [TS]

  in addition to you know having lots of [TS]

  fun and I think there's a scene where [TS]

  they have zombies in the backyard and [TS]

  they they realize that they have to kill [TS]

  them by removing their handlers for [TS]

  smashing their head and one of the [TS]

  things they come up with is they can [TS]

  throw old LPs final piece of them and so [TS]

  rather than just pull out a bunch of [TS]

  things and start throwing they have to [TS]

  sort through the LPS and figure out in [TS]

  four wells pressing yeah you know it's [TS]

  like it's like the Batman soundtrack [TS]

  okay throw it but you know [TS]

  good heavens don't don't throw the [TS]

  Prince 1999 or whatever let like it was [TS]

  very important and they take advantage [TS]

  of the fact that you know these these [TS]

  are shuffling zombies they aren't speedy [TS]

  zombies and so they can do a lot of [TS]

  things while the zombies are trying to [TS]

  catch up which is delightful to jason's [TS]

  point about the obliviousness I i love [TS]

  that I the thing i caught this time [TS]

  watching it again is how much is going [TS]

  on in the background like they're [TS]

  talking about it constantly on the TV [TS]

  and none of the characters either i mean [TS]

  there's a blatant scene where he's like [TS]

  flipping channels and he keeps skipping [TS]

  over it and they cut together rather [TS]

  rather brilliantly like several lines [TS]

  about like you know eating people alive [TS]

  we have three different channels but [TS]

  even before that if you just listen to [TS]

  all the background noise there's people [TS]

  talking about all these awful things [TS]

  happening and they're just totally not [TS]

  paying attention to it i like that from [TS]

  the first shot [TS]

  we are not entirely impressed with sean [TS]

  i mean he's the title character and [TS]

  simon pegg and there's this feeling like [TS]

  we're supposed to be rooting for him but [TS]

  he doesn't behave particularly well and [TS]

  then we see with with when they in that [TS]

  scene that Jeff mentioned where they're [TS]

  there [TS]

  at liz's and her pals are there you know [TS]

  that it's a fascinating dynamic they [TS]

  obviously don't approve of Sean really [TS]

  but there's this also this you know love [TS]

  triangle where David is is sort of like [TS]

  secretly obsessed essentially with with [TS]

  Liz and Diane knows it and that's that's [TS]

  fascinating but they're they're not you [TS]

  know they don't really approve of him [TS]

  and liz is not really that that enthused [TS]

  about him and I like I kinda like that [TS]

  when we meet Sean were supposed to you [TS]

  know it's a movie i'm supposed to root [TS]

  for this guy and I do end up rooting for [TS]

  this guy but I don't you know right away [TS]

  i'm sort of like wow who is this guy [TS]

  he's coming he's kind of a loser and I [TS]

  kind of found that refreshing that if he [TS]

  was not you know oh this is this is my [TS]

  hero of this movie that it's like let me [TS]

  list all the things that are wrong with [TS]

  him before you roll with root for him [TS]

  right [TS]

  well it's it's like in each of the [TS]

  movies and in spaced you don't [TS]

  automatically route for him right [TS]

  he's not someone you automatically oh [TS]

  hey yeah and in each each of those they [TS]

  give you a reason you see that evolution [TS]

  and by the time the story takes its left [TS]

  turn your onboard you're like all right [TS]

  now he's earned it he's you know I'm [TS]

  gonna root for this guy and it's you [TS]

  it's so nice i mean like with Star [TS]

  Trek's ago Chris Pine who you know is [TS]

  ready [TS]

  yeah he's cute you know that's about it [TS]

  I do love that the in Shaun of the Dead [TS]

  a great basically and inside basically [TS]

  make a list of the things that Simon [TS]

  Pegg has to do to improve his life and [TS]

  get things back on track and you have it [TS]

  you have it first in dialogue i believe [TS]

  when she's breaking up with with simon [TS]

  Pegg's character basically being like [TS]

  you said you gave up smoking you said [TS]

  you do this is you said we'd go on [TS]

  adventures I want to go on adventures [TS]

  you have that framed and then you also [TS]

  have the whiteboard that he writes well [TS]

  ingloriously drunk you know I have to [TS]

  rescue go see mom get back together with [TS]

  Liz get my life on track and by the end [TS]

  of [TS]

  the movie everything that we've sort of [TS]

  set out in motion has happened and all [TS]

  the things have come together in a [TS]

  glorious way but it never feels like [TS]

  it's doing so and I checking of the [TS]

  boxes like you don't even realize that [TS]

  they've gone on an adventure until two [TS]

  thirds of the way through the movie when [TS]

  they're sitting in the cellar about to [TS]

  be devoured by zombies and you're like [TS]

  yeah they've actually you know that this [TS]

  is a lot more adventuresome then than [TS]

  his retail life wow they really set it [TS]

  up well so that like he really earned it [TS]

  he earned the redemption which is is [TS]

  nice rather than just you know in many [TS]

  movies they sort of tell you that [TS]

  oh and now he's a hero because he did [TS]

  you know maybe some sort of minor thing [TS]

  like you know they they really make it [TS]

  difficult for him and for the other [TS]

  people maybe not so much for head but I [TS]

  don't know if if we want to go into the [TS]

  fact that it is the biggest problem with [TS]

  this movie at least for me [TS]

  yeah oh yeah Jason did you like like I [TS]

  almost wonder if Ed is is such a doofus [TS]

  to make Sean seen just a little bit [TS]

  better i mean the the thing that I [TS]

  didn't like about this was that was that [TS]

  you know not so much that Ted was was [TS]

  even more of a loser and you know and [TS]

  and sort of comic relief it was that bed [TS]

  did the stupid things to complicate the [TS]

  plot [TS]

  yeah I need any a didn't do them I i [TS]

  would argue for four reasons that seemed [TS]

  to be good [TS]

  he did them for awful reasons he was [TS]

  just like it in many points that is just [TS]

  a miserable human being doing terrible [TS]

  things that ruin it for everybody [TS]

  aana yeah i mean III seriously i'm not [TS]

  i'm not kidding [TS]

  um I i had one point where I i have to [TS]

  edit this podcast so i'll just do what I [TS]

  i just turned my wife and I'm like God [TS]

  wouldn't know any person who this guy is [TS]

  I mean seriously like yeah and I it's a [TS]

  problem I like the movie a lot and I [TS]

  know that he's supposed to be a jerk but [TS]

  he's such a jerk that I I want him to [TS]

  die quickly and be out of the movies [TS]

  because so often [TS]

  ya know its chest it terrible and I [TS]

  think and I think about his character in [TS]

  hot fuzz and I think about his [TS]

  character in the world and I'm like wow [TS]

  I like those guys so much better than [TS]

  this it's not even though I mean Simon [TS]

  Pegg is that is sort of that character [TS]

  in the world's end but but in this is [TS]

  just like I I really don't like him at [TS]

  all he ruins everything [TS]

  I guess I always think of it as mike [TS]

  from space and I always have a place in [TS]

  my heart for him because of that and [TS]

  will cause you always think about like [TS]

  there's that thing that happened when we [TS]

  were children [TS]

  yes well I did it it's the relationship [TS]

  between him and simon pegg which which [TS]

  is the one thing that kind of transcends [TS]

  all these films which is that these are [TS]

  these are two guys have known each other [TS]

  I mean accepting a smarter or like you [TS]

  know I think that's what for me that's [TS]

  what redeems it is that you know but but [TS]

  here you get the sense like that he is [TS]

  the fill the lodestone that is weighing [TS]

  is going to just when sean is going to [TS]

  get his life together [TS]

  this guy is going to ruin it for him [TS]

  because he can't get out he's an [TS]

  albatross i don't know i mean they even [TS]

  say it in the first film they say you [TS]

  know to keep him around just so that you [TS]

  have somebody who's worse of this person [TS]

  than you are of a contrast yeah i mean i [TS]

  think they're aware of it but oh don't [TS]

  worry but at the same time I mean we all [TS]

  have that friend right [TS]

  not necessarily to that extent but [TS]

  everybody has that person that they've [TS]

  known for years who always seems to muck [TS]

  things up yet you you're not going to [TS]

  cut them loose because there's some [TS]

  people cutting loose but her it [TS]

  sometimes they recommend that you go on [TS]

  a podcast yeah oops podcast as [TS]

  intervention [TS]

  actually yeah directly Jeff I was that's [TS]

  what this is i can I get your point [TS]

  I mean everybody's got the friend who [TS]

  you you know you have a connection for [TS]

  special reasons that other people don't [TS]

  understand and everybody else who you've [TS]

  collected since then doesn't you know [TS]

  doesn't play well with them and what do [TS]

  you what are you gonna do because you're [TS]

  still loyal to them and I I I get that [TS]

  it's just that he does a lot of awful [TS]

  things that make things worse throughout [TS]

  this move it and I actually think that [TS]

  that like that it that the chemistry [TS]

  between them really does work and so [TS]

  like it doesn't seem really fake that [TS]

  the problem that I had is that but you [TS]

  know here's a guy who [TS]

  you know it's like big on video games [TS]

  big on you know it allegedly beyond [TS]

  action and cars and things like that and [TS]

  yet he's doing stupid things that lately [TS]

  but like for example they're outside the [TS]

  Winchester they're trying to figure out [TS]

  how to get in there are literally [TS]

  zombies surrounding them and he has to [TS]

  take a phone call from somebody who's [TS]

  wondering if he has any weed like like I [TS]

  understand that that that's a real you [TS]

  know douchey move and and set it up so [TS]

  that so that Sean can can really tell [TS]

  him off but like I don't think even he [TS]

  would be slow oblivious as to just stop [TS]

  everything when zombies are closing in [TS]

  you know where is this video game [TS]

  expertise is surely he's played a video [TS]

  game with the jew Tommy's exactly like [TS]

  that's where I hopped out of the movie [TS]

  nothing no the i dislike even though i [TS]

  love dylan moran is an actor I just like [TS]

  his character so much more than it takes [TS]

  some of the pressure off office oh yeah [TS]

  but that's because your character is [TS]

  designed to be this like well yeah that [TS]

  really is a threat he's not the best [TS]

  friend he's an adversary right he's [TS]

  trying to break up our our friend sean's [TS]

  relationship because he is [TS]

  inappropriately obsessed but yet you [TS]

  know even though he's got his girlfriend [TS]

  right there he's inappropriately [TS]

  obsessed with Sean's girlfriend so he is [TS]

  the adversary throughout and you do yeah [TS]

  you want to whack him try to do that is [TS]

  to jon's mom [TS]

  yeah cool man yeah Terry Jones I /india [TS]

  mrs. Crawley from Downton Abbey yeah I [TS]

  mean don't be wantin she'sshe's I like [TS]

  her in this it's enjoyable every time I [TS]

  see her I'm like oh I love with her when [TS]

  when sean is talking about what's the [TS]

  plan alright we go we get my mom we take [TS]

  care of Philip we go get Liz we go to [TS]

  the pot like and they they cut this [TS]

  scene together which isn't a an edgar [TS]

  wright technique which is like fast cuts [TS]

  with like extreme zoomed-in like motions [TS]

  but i love that if you look at her [TS]

  expression on the face when Ted and [TS]

  shawn are like shooting around there [TS]

  like skipping together and smiling it's [TS]

  just it's it's such a like a quick up [TS]

  but it's it's awesome i do love how it [TS]

  ends up in the movie I mean editors end [TS]

  up being bitten by a zombie but but [TS]

  rather than be destroyed he's [TS]

  chained up and you might argue that he's [TS]

  better off i was just gonna say yeah [TS]

  yeah but that's it's like my feelings [TS]

  about it's like oh good he know he's a [TS]

  zombie he'll shut up and he stays put [TS]

  and all they do is play video games now [TS]

  now he's that's better we just we will [TS]

  briefly mentioned the the parallel [TS]

  universe zombie survivalists yeah I'm [TS]

  which I have to say the best part about [TS]

  that is everybody in that lineup is [TS]

  basically like from another british [TS]

  sitcom most of them in parallel to [TS]

  people in our lineup because you've got [TS]

  Martin Freeman martinez also from the [TS]

  office [TS]

  you've got attempting Grieg who is from [TS]

  black books which the Moran's and you [TS]

  got Matt Lucas and you've got a Julia [TS]

  Deacon who is Marsha from spaced are all [TS]

  in that entire lineup which is hilarious [TS]

  yeah the the parallel the parallel [TS]

  universe version of of the bunch and I [TS]

  assume they all they all die too because [TS]

  later when we see Jessica Hynes we see [TS]

  von she's with the soldiers and stuff [TS]

  and it's just her right well that's all [TS]

  anybody could be off-screen but yes I [TS]

  guess I can so I just sort of assumed [TS]

  that there they had the same kind of [TS]

  attrition that you have in your group in [TS]

  a zombie movie [TS]

  you're gonna die one by one which is [TS]

  what happens in Shaun of the Dead which [TS]

  I liked that that we lose we lose a bill [TS]

  my and we lose eventually Penelope [TS]

  Wilton and and you know i like how would [TS]

  they still went through all those genre [TS]

  conventions this is a zombie movie it's [TS]

  not just a comedy there are there are [TS]

  horrific scenes of sucked peoples guts [TS]

  being ripped open and stuff and I have [TS]

  to say I I laughed so hard at those [TS]

  scenes because in the context of them [TS]

  they are punch lines they are meant as [TS]

  jokes not as shock horror moments and it [TS]

  worked for me at that one sorry that one [TS]

  scene with the with David at the end [TS]

  that's the one that gets me every time [TS]

  he gets it goes over the edge into just [TS]

  comedic star from likely just that [TS]

  little waggy TSA's yeah but like the [TS]

  Lottery's laughter the intestinal seen [TS]

  still like our first time I saw that I [TS]

  was like oh man that's but it does it [TS]

  you know it definitely adheres to the [TS]

  you know zombie movie tropes and they're [TS]

  clearly huge fans of the [TS]

  genre there is in fact a whole zombie [TS]

  episode of space in the first season i [TS]

  believe so you know they clearly sort of [TS]

  take all the boxes with like our we're [TS]

  doing a zombie movie the army shows up [TS]

  the end to save everything and and all [TS]

  that but it's it's it's scary and funny [TS]

  as i said to my wife because she hadn't [TS]

  seen it before we we did the the full [TS]

  trilogy in the theater and she's not [TS]

  she's like scary movies all I'm I'm like [TS]

  well its overall it's not so much scary [TS]

  as it is splatter II and that seemed to [TS]

  make her feel better so I I don't know [TS]

  what that says but ya know the NN in in [TS]

  our in our live chat room Clinton [TS]

  Phillips makes the comment that there [TS]

  are two groups in this movie the [TS]

  competent group of the incompetent group [TS]

  and this movie follows the incompetent [TS]

  group there's some truth to that that's [TS]

  why it's funny it's not scary it's [TS]

  zombie movie sure but it's not scary [TS]

  it's fine you also want to point out [TS]

  that that despite all this and despite [TS]

  it you know going strong words and stuff [TS]

  like all of the like Sean's relationship [TS]

  with his mom and even with with his [TS]

  stepdad at the end like that's all fully [TS]

  developed like you really get the sense [TS]

  it wasn't just oh yeah my mom's gonna [TS]

  you know turned into a zombie and I have [TS]

  to shoot her you know and and maybe [TS]

  that's just the the writing or are more [TS]

  pics acting or whatever but you know [TS]

  even seen it again for like the third [TS]

  time but you know it's really touching [TS]

  the way he reacts to the fact that you [TS]

  know these people that he loves have to [TS]

  be blown away that that's not harder [TS]

  that's the heart of the movie the scene [TS]

  where they where they have to kill [TS]

  Penelope Wilton because she's turned [TS]

  into a zombie then and it's taken [TS]

  seriously it's not i mean there are [TS]

  jokes but it's not played as a toss off [TS]

  it is this your your mom has died and [TS]

  you have to do this because she's [TS]

  turning into a zombie and it's not they [TS]

  take the premise seriously ideal the [TS]

  only weakness in that for me although I [TS]

  found that very affecting the first time [TS]

  i saw it was watching at this time he [TS]

  uses the same whatever the technique is [TS]

  for you know being really upset and sad [TS]

  he uses that in other places when it's [TS]

  like for ridiculous things [TS]

  yeah so like I'm like listen to the tone [TS]

  of his voice where and it's like the [TS]

  seems like there's the paintball episode [TS]

  of space where we're might get shot with [TS]

  the paintball they're doing like the [TS]

  matter [TS]

  like you know he's like but you'll be [TS]

  okay and uses the exact same tone of [TS]

  voice and I'm like I cannot take you [TS]

  seriously right now but it is i mean i [TS]

  do remember watching it the first time [TS]

  being like yeah that's a it's pretty [TS]

  emotional scenes get well and for comedy [TS]

  like they didn't really have to do that [TS]

  but they did so that was nice and I [TS]

  think actually it's it's even like a [TS]

  little bit more poignant later when you [TS]

  learned that the zombies end up [TS]

  surviving so you know like maybe it's [TS]

  kind of sad that he had to shoot his [TS]

  mother in the face rather than make [TS]

  everything maybe after you don't commit [TS]

  I should we should we move on from shaun [TS]

  of the dead we have two more movies to [TS]

  cover that's true it's a good movie [TS]

  though is good movie but i think that i [TS]

  think they get better as they go along i [TS]

  might argue I i would argue that too but [TS]

  it's interesting because i had heard [TS]

  about the movie and I'd heard about [TS]

  space but i never saw them and then it [TS]

  was in 2008 place was out in DC for a [TS]

  play and the director of the place it's [TS]

  it and you have to see this [TS]

  sorry we watched shaun of the dead and [TS]

  as soon as I came back from DC I went [TS]

  and got space and just sat down and [TS]

  mainline the whole thing [TS]

  oh my god and any I think each of the [TS]

  film's gets tighter and sharper [TS]

  especially when you compare them to to [TS]

  something like Paul I don't know if any [TS]

  of you have seen Paul oh wow [TS]

  which is funny it's amusing [TS]

  it's just not as sharp and tight and as [TS]

  you know fully dimensional as these [TS]

  about I've heard that mentioned a couple [TS]

  of times and in the Q&A that I saw you [TS]

  know because they have so many funny [TS]

  moments people just assume that that [TS]

  they're doing a lot of this live or [TS]

  impromptu and in a simon pegg and edgar [TS]

  wright they're like no actually do we [TS]

  get there [TS]

  it's it's it's like it's all very [TS]

  scripted we don't have very much money [TS]

  these are all done on you know fairly [TS]

  low budgets and you know so like like [TS]

  every beat is planned out and and and [TS]

  everything is very deliberate without [TS]

  question i think a great style of [TS]

  directing reminds me very much of [TS]

  commedia dell'arte and of the idea of [TS]

  working working in a framework and [TS]

  working almost in in archetypes and [TS]

  asks where you're working in so locked [TS]

  down a format that you have freedom to [TS]

  explore in these tiny little areas and [TS]

  that little that freedom is what causes [TS]

  the spark in the film i think you have [TS]

  like all of his shots are clearly so [TS]

  meticulously planned like they feel like [TS]

  a like a visual story board like an [TS]

  interactive comic which is also why his [TS]

  you know scott pilgrim films although [TS]

  with weaknesses is still really dynamic [TS]

  and really aging and it's it's I mean [TS]

  he's he's the perfect person to to [TS]

  direct a comic book style movie because [TS]

  he clearly sees in in moving comic books [TS]

  basically moving frames of a video very [TS]

  very carefully plotted and planned but [TS]

  even within that strict framework [TS]

  there's just so much play and so much [TS]

  excitement like even if nothing is [TS]

  ad-lib don't think there are there are a [TS]

  couple of ATLA blinds hidden throughout [TS]

  the scripts and in the three films but [TS]

  even that you know even on adam [TS]

  headlines you just see the amount of fun [TS]

  the actors are having within the you [TS]

  know it's like all right we have to do [TS]

  this business and it's going to be [TS]

  carefully choreographed it's gonna be [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  it just it looks like so much fun oh [TS]

  yeah and and you know i mean we sort of [TS]

  touched on it before with you know where [TS]

  they're talking and then the camera [TS]

  shifts in the person they're talking [TS]

  about is right there too [TS]

  it's sort of like he takes those strict [TS]

  forms and those things that you think [TS]

  you know we're gonna happen and then he [TS]

  twists them right because you know that [TS]

  again like the zombies but they're not [TS]

  zombies in the beginning it's just [TS]

  people go into work and you know he [TS]

  takes those strict forms that we [TS]

  recognize and then surprises you mean [TS]

  good comedy is always surprised right [TS]

  you know it's what's funny about it if [TS]

  you know what's coming and so I mean [TS]

  it'sit's the a it's lovely to watch the [TS]

  way he works and and to see also that [TS]

  each of them even scott pilgrim and [TS]

  space you know they're fully dimensional [TS]

  worlds you know he's thinking about [TS]

  what's going on on the other side of the [TS]

  camera and the other side of the [TS]

  room and who else might be there and [TS]

  what else might happen if they can bring [TS]

  it into the frame which is just fun [TS]

  I the other week I tweeted that you know [TS]

  Edgar Wright is one of those directors [TS]

  I'd love to write something for but I [TS]

  don't want to because I just want to [TS]

  watch his work [TS]

  I just want to be surprised by it [TS]

  alright we've been talking about beer a [TS]

  lot because we seem to have a lot in the [TS]

  Cornetto trilogy but now i want to shift [TS]

  gears a little bit i know you're [TS]

  enthusiastic about zombies and aliens [TS]

  and cops but are you enthusiastic about [TS]

  coffee lots of people are very [TS]

  enthusiastic about that coffee that they [TS]

  drink in the morning maybe they drink it [TS]

  in the evening and keep me up but in the [TS]

  morning that shot of caffeine and good [TS]

  flavor that you want in the morning i [TS]

  know so many people who are so [TS]

  enthusiastic about coffee so I want to [TS]

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  it's a subscription service for coffee [TS]

  it uses all the goodness of the internet [TS]

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  service they roast their own coffee [TS]

  beans that they found all over the world [TS]

  and the pink are really great bring him [TS]

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  after they roast them they ship them out [TS]

  the very next day so you're getting [TS]

  fresh roasted beans it's gonna taste way [TS]

  better than the stale coffee you'd find [TS]

  in a grocery store or in most cafes it's [TS]

  freshly roasted it gets shipped out [TS]

  within a few days it is in your mailbox [TS]

  so it's a coffee subscription service [TS]

  you also get an email newsletter called [TS]

  the frequency they have their own [TS]

  editor-in-chief at talks lots of cool [TS]

  coffee related stuff that you get for [TS]

  free so it's almost like a magazine [TS]

  where instead of pages it's coffee beans [TS]

  it's pretty cool [TS]

  great idea and there's a special deal [TS]

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  give it a try i'm sure you love coffee [TS]

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  you should try talks and thanks to talks [TS]

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  should move on to two hot fuzz which is [TS]

  a cop movie it's a movie and genre that [TS]

  i am not as familiar with I have to say [TS]

  then then even zombie movies and [TS]

  certainly the sort of sci-fi elements [TS]

  and in the world's end but I i just [TS]

  watched this movie last night and um [TS]

  after having seen it again when it came [TS]

  out on video and it's a it's a very [TS]

  funny movie and the fact is I feel like [TS]

  I've been as just as a an American kid [TS]

  growing up watching TV i have marinated [TS]

  in so many cop TV show and movie tropes [TS]

  that even if I haven't seen bad boys two [TS]

  um I ok at osage's I get it okay [TS]

  you know I I haven't seen bad boys two [TS]

  yet that's why you're my kryptonite and [TS]

  I get it do that episode soon and he's [TS]

  the in the in this he is angel [TS]

  Nick Nicholas angel because he's that [TS]

  good which is hilarious because also [TS]

  need the name of the music supervisor [TS]

  that they work with on both hot fuzz in [TS]

  China dead is Nick angel [TS]

  yeah because they comment in the in the [TS]

  things we're watching that in the scene [TS]

  work he is in the newspaper but they [TS]

  misspelled his name is angle that it [TS]

  happens to their new music super vibrant [TS]

  music supervisor as well [TS]

  hot fuzz he's the perfect cop and he's [TS]

  he's in fact so good that he has sent [TS]

  away to a basically to a farm out in the [TS]

  country to live out the rest of his life [TS]

  is nothing really bored cop it's the [TS]

  worst thing you could do is in two years [TS]

  super connected super connected copies [TS]

  to take him to the most perfect village [TS]

  in the world which of course is perfect [TS]

  because of terrible things happening in [TS]

  the villages I'd forgotten I'd forgotten [TS]

  just how far this week and they go [TS]

  pretty far [TS]

  yeah this movie remind anybody of [TS]

  dragnet when I was watching it again [TS]

  that you know the Tom the the Tom Hanks [TS]

  are dan aykroyd their dragnet it [TS]

  reminded me in that movie I inseparable [TS]

  in that a wacky comedy that has a weird [TS]

  nefarious secret plot at the bottom of [TS]

  it Christopher Plummer is not in hot [TS]

  fuzz butt but he might as well have been [TS]

  maybe maybe it's just me but that I got [TS]

  the same as like you know it's better [TS]

  than dragnet I'm not saying it's good [TS]

  it's at the dragnet better than it but [TS]

  I'm saying it's for what a strange [TS]

  little sub-genre we have here of these [TS]

  bizarre cop movie comedies that sort of [TS]

  take themselves seriously but not that [TS]

  seriously but that they wind up with a [TS]

  cult leader and this cult trying to [TS]

  destroy things and and are goofy cops to [TS]

  save the day that this is just way [TS]

  better [TS]

  well and what's also nice is that they [TS]

  actually give you like two reasons for [TS]

  for why people are dying and then the [TS]

  first reason is you know it's plausible [TS]

  there's like like this this whole real [TS]

  estate deal and you know maybe like you [TS]

  know they have to kill somebody to get [TS]

  the real estate so that it will prevent [TS]

  another shopping center coming like like [TS]

  it's all very intricate and then that [TS]

  falls away and you find out that that [TS]

  that the real reason for it all is i [TS]

  guess i can give away spoilers at the [TS]

  amfar and you know it is that they want [TS]

  to win the the village of the year award [TS]

  and anything that stops them whether [TS]

  it's you know people spraying graffiti [TS]

  or god forbid the the living statue [TS]

  oh no that guy you know that guy like [TS]

  they that they just kill them for the [TS]

  greater good well it's interesting too [TS]

  because the whole thing with the highway [TS]

  bypass to me smacks very much of like a [TS]

  noir movie rights icons like Chinatown [TS]

  which is moving does get reference a [TS]

  couple times in there but then it does [TS]

  and then it turns into this as just [TS]

  saying the president is this even more [TS]

  absurdist thing like now there's nothing [TS]

  is really really want our village to be [TS]

  perfect it's more like Stepford Wives [TS]

  well you know it takes your viewing off [TS]

  it for a little while like when you [TS]

  start to watch the food [TS]

  the first time you find yourself piecing [TS]

  together what the what the villains plan [TS]

  must be and you're like oh yeah I can [TS]

  see how this is all connected and I [TS]

  could see ice [TS]

  I couldn't remember the the finer points [TS]

  of why the villagers killed everyone so [TS]

  I was like oh they probably killed her [TS]

  because she was espousing the morals of [TS]

  the town by sleeping with this married [TS]

  man and they killed him because he was [TS]

  it like but I didn't get all of them and [TS]

  I and I started following the wrong path [TS]

  when they butchered Shakespeare they [TS]

  butchered my experience this was the [TS]

  only thing that was convincing in the [TS]

  three-and-a-half hours of so-called [TS]

  acting that such as I love that it's the [TS]

  baz lurman version of Romeo and Juliet [TS]

  minutes to get a musical number of the [TS]

  way that it's another good love me [TS]

  lovely so good i'm guessing no damn the [TS]

  life that made me laugh out loud this [TS]

  time was forget it its and for Sanford [TS]

  yeah is it together [TS]

  I I did grow up sort of marinated in the [TS]

  action movie culture especially of the [TS]

  nineties because that was when i was a [TS]

  teenager and watching all of these [TS]

  action movies and so you know we have a [TS]

  weapon and diehard exactly like a whole [TS]

  part of the section from lethal what [TS]

  they left us the score from lethal [TS]

  weapon in that scene where they go into [TS]

  the into David Bradley's farmers shed [TS]

  its full of all the weapons and they're [TS]

  actually using the score from lethal [TS]

  weapon in there which i think is great [TS]

  and then later on they point out that [TS]

  this little tribute thing on the screen [TS]

  is actually hilarious because the when [TS]

  they announced that the secret cult [TS]

  meeting and was like but first the news [TS]

  that they had twins she's decided to [TS]

  name her twins Roger and Martin which [TS]

  are the names of Mel Gibson and Danny [TS]

  Glover's character struck me was I did [TS]

  totally did would not have caught even [TS]

  remotely but thank you whoever wrote the [TS]

  trivia feed on Hot Fuzz but yeah and [TS]

  knowing all those troops and everything [TS]

  it's what makes it so delightful you [TS]

  know that you ever jump to the air while [TS]

  firing two guns simultaneously [TS]

  oh yeah like which they pay off which [TS]

  they pay off along with the high-speed [TS]

  car chase and shooting people and and [TS]

  it's it's another one of those places [TS]

  where that takes the left term because [TS]

  it's in some ways so serious he's such a [TS]

  by-the-books cop right [TS]

  you know he's not he's regret shooting [TS]

  people you [TS]

  he doesn't want to do anything and then [TS]

  by the end you just basically that all [TS]

  gets thrown out the window in service / [TS]

  ye of bad boys to basically right so the [TS]

  left turning in shaun of the dead is [TS]

  suddenly it is a zombie movie and they [TS]

  have to run and there's lots of action [TS]

  and there's lots of zombies and hot fuzz [TS]

  it's the realization that it's not just [TS]

  there's not just a killer but there is [TS]

  sort of like every all the town elders [TS]

  are are killing people and he finds out [TS]

  and at that point it's just gunfire it's [TS]

  it into the top totally grill easy [TS]

  Michael Bay it's drenched you know he [TS]

  said rent amount of town and then he [TS]

  comes back and he's riding a horse [TS]

  riding a horse and ask Morgan got no [TS]

  arms or anything it's just doesn't [TS]

  matter will end and it the the way edgar [TS]

  wright cuts it too is also very much [TS]

  like all these and exactly right and [TS]

  aluminum all the consumes in and out a [TS]

  panning around and even things like like [TS]

  when they go to the farm that has all [TS]

  the weapons and they may think they've [TS]

  activated this this massive see mine you [TS]

  know why there would be a seam on there [TS]

  you know what [TS]

  ok and and and so like like they have [TS]

  the big scene where they come running [TS]

  out and the cameras you know pulls back [TS]

  and they jump over a hedge and you know [TS]

  because in every single other movie [TS]

  that's when their locations closer to [TS]

  you and then they stand up and they're [TS]

  nothing happened its dustin themselves [TS]

  off and you know it's it's very so [TS]

  intentionally playing off of the [TS]

  expectation that you have because you've [TS]

  watched 50 of these movies and then [TS]

  taking a little turn even in you know a [TS]

  little small bits like that [TS]

  can we point out that the the the the [TS]

  return of angel to the town is entirely [TS]

  predicated on seeing dvds in a gas [TS]

  station and us getting ready for a great [TS]

  example is to match that moment of like [TS]

  all right I'm going back and all of [TS]

  those guns that seemed extraneous in the [TS]

  time and daily to every Bradley shed [TS]

  might be might come in handy [TS]

  Chekhov's gun laws i was gonna say it's [TS]

  the law of chico's description of Gungan [TS]

  plan I believe checkout wrote lethal [TS]

  weapon and die hard as well based on [TS]

  original checkoff plays checkoff said [TS]

  that if you [TS]

  do show a shed full of guns in Act one [TS]

  they all will be fired simultaneously [TS]

  you have to have a a nice word here for [TS]

  all of the character actors playing all [TS]

  the village members including paul [TS]

  freeman from Raiders of the Lost Ark oh [TS]

  yeah Jim Broadbent family been generally [TS]

  been as the police chief the Dalton who [TS]

  is to my mind [TS]

  wow this was like I think the first [TS]

  thing I'd seen him in a long time and i [TS]

  think around the same time he did this [TS]

  he had a guest run on chuck in which he [TS]

  plays in some ways a very similar [TS]

  character is Jim James Bond actors are [TS]

  at when they're done with that part they [TS]

  just gotta do the villains opening [TS]

  options so good if it's let's tear roll [TS]

  why i love that first scene with him [TS]

  like arrest me [TS]

  I've been slashing prices all over town [TS]

  great delivery and he just goes at it [TS]

  with such gusty oh my favorite my [TS]

  favorite tidbit from the tribute track [TS]

  and this one was the scene where Simon [TS]

  Pegg tries to prove that he cut his foot [TS]

  and he pulls up his pant legs he's [TS]

  wearing like the sock suspenders [TS]

  apparently the simon pegg did not know [TS]

  he was wearing those and just started [TS]

  cracking up when he did so the heads and [TS]

  scoot take again i just like to picture [TS]

  at that Edgar Wright rolled up to [TS]

  Timothy Dalton's house and it's like how [TS]

  would you like to do a movie more [TS]

  ridiculous than the rocketeer come here [TS]

  because I got a script for you anymore [TS]

  but i don't know if any of you have seen [TS]

  the show broadchurch oh yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  well the the lead actress in that is [TS]

  Doris in hot fuzz and so every time I [TS]

  saw her in broadchurch I'm think I'm i'm [TS]

  having like oh she got promoted the I'm [TS]

  and I just see here is your hot friend [TS]

  Olivia Colman and and yet when she came [TS]

  on-screen and hot fuzz this time my wife [TS]

  said hey its its Miller from for blood [TS]

  church but she's been in i always think [TS]

  of the limit Olivia Colman i first [TS]

  noticed her in the mitchell and webb [TS]

  look and and she's also a look around [TS]

  you with peter serafinowicz she's also [TS]

  in the doctor who episode the 11th hour [TS]

  of the 11th hour yes Aaron [TS]

  yeah there's a number of these guys who [TS]

  are like David Bradley of course who not [TS]

  only plays what Filch in the Harry [TS]

  Potter movies was in a doctor who [TS]

  episode is playing William Hartnell is [TS]

  Walder Frey like yeah and is in the [TS]

  world end as well so like that it gets [TS]

  around those British actor the character [TS]

  actors men and women TV advertisers yeah [TS]

  one of his last parts i believe [TS]

  yeah i think it was his last part again [TS]

  and then you have like paddy considine [TS]

  and Rafe spall as the Andes yes you are [TS]

  normal daily is the twin those alien how [TS]

  love bill bailey some ideas are awful [TS]

  and an abusive toward angel accept that [TS]

  then there's that moment where it's very [TS]

  clear that Jim Broadbent is doing bad [TS]

  things and like a switch [TS]

  it's a great moment right when the [TS]

  switch flips and all of a sudden they're [TS]

  all looking to Angel to tell them what [TS]

  to do because I gotta save the town and [TS]

  it suggests it's a great moment again in [TS]

  this kind of ridiculous movie there's a [TS]

  more like it yeah they're gonna save the [TS]

  day [TS]

  this ridiculous movie it's great i love [TS]

  it it's a yes the LA confidential moment [TS]

  when it's like maybe what maybe we're [TS]

  good friends after all huh [TS]

  mmm yeah well it's yeah it's a cop [TS]

  moving right so yeah and I mean I so [TS]

  they do as we were saying before with [TS]

  the scripts being so tight like they [TS]

  managed to packing so much ridiculous [TS]

  stuff in the end and that's why like [TS]

  watching the track was so amusing [TS]

  because all these things you would not [TS]

  catch that are totally silly little like [TS]

  they point out the scene where they go [TS]

  when they're shooting up the town at the [TS]

  end and they go into the bar you know [TS]

  where of course Simon Pegg has been [TS]

  ordering our cranberry juice into the [TS]

  pub there's a sign and the 20 [TS]

  proprietors and the provider his wife [TS]

  pop up with like guns behind it there's [TS]

  a chocolate said she was 40 45 50 55 yet [TS]

  really very silly 5350 but they're just [TS]

  chalkboard on the side that says two [TS]

  shooters for the price of one [TS]

  it's like that like i would not have [TS]

  noticed that if it hadn't been for their [TS]

  calling out in one of the scenes were [TS]

  there Timothy Dalton is trying to [TS]

  establish his alibi saying like oh look [TS]

  at the CCTV footage i'm in all of it [TS]

  when they pause on at one point he's [TS]

  holding up a newspaper to the CCTV [TS]

  camera with the date on it it's like all [TS]

  these little details that you're right [TS]

  put in [TS]

  in so that you know if you ever freeze [TS]

  frame and go through it it's like [TS]

  it'sit's just so thoroughly thought out [TS]

  is the thing and that's that's why I [TS]

  love him as director so much because [TS]

  he's not one of those guys is like ever [TS]

  put the camera here take a picture this [TS]

  will knock it off will be talking to be [TS]

  done by dinner you know he goes through [TS]

  and meticulously has all these little [TS]

  details that make this world totally [TS]

  fleshed out to the point where you can [TS]

  stop any frame and examine it and [TS]

  there's all sorts of little details that [TS]

  basically you know shore up this entire [TS]

  film if they they actually put out [TS]

  interactive pdfs of the scripts for the [TS]

  1st 2 and I assume when the worlds in [TS]

  comes to DVD they leave at two and again [TS]

  it's fun to watch to see guess because [TS]

  it'll include pictures and links and [TS]

  everything and you can read along while [TS]

  you're watching the movie and again pick [TS]

  up more details from the stage [TS]

  directions and little things they threw [TS]

  in there just amazing [TS]

  that's where the public hot fuzz is is [TS]

  one of the pubs in the World's End by [TS]

  the way it's just like the gym just [TS]

  generic british pub that's in one of [TS]

  these in all the publishing house ever [TS]

  again [TS]

  its back I find it so funny you know all [TS]

  of the films have pubs that feature very [TS]

  centrally in the disputed plots it is it [TS]

  is the UK as they as they point out that [TS]

  parks and rec repsol where they were in [TS]

  London only there was a place you get a [TS]

  drink around here there's a problem over [TS]

  there that over there there's puppet [TS]

  winter but your shots over there right [TS]

  we'll go to the butcher shops first [TS]

  yeah anything more about half of us just [TS]

  hates awesome [TS]

  it's funny it is awesome and it is [TS]

  awesome in there is a horror movie [TS]

  aspect to this in the sense that when we [TS]

  see the killer at first it's the killer [TS]

  in the in the in the robes and it calls [TS]

  to mind a different kind of horror movie [TS]

  than the the Mazama movie calls to mind [TS]

  a you know a slasher kind of movie and [TS]

  like you said and I'm slashing all over [TS]

  town prices know that i like that that [TS]

  that that's a it's a little thing that I [TS]

  didn't expect to see in a movie that's [TS]

  basically a cop movie that it that that [TS]

  there's this [TS]

  you know what's this mysterious robed [TS]

  figure and of course then there's a [TS]

  punch line when they go to arrest him to [TS]

  Dalton then turns out that all of them [TS]

  have it's simple it's murder on the [TS]

  orient express its foreign soil as it as [TS]

  it said in the game distribute it said [TS]

  spoiler alert it's basically the murder [TS]

  the murder on the orient express sorry [TS]

  it's like 45 years old with this movie [TS]

  is also pretty bloody to I mean you know [TS]

  it's normally with with a lot of action [TS]

  movies like you know somebody gets shot [TS]

  in the fall down and there whatever but [TS]

  you know there's a scene when when the [TS]

  the reporter tim has a a block of the [TS]

  the church roof land on him and you know [TS]

  it's it that is gory as all as all heck [TS]

  so there's definitely some horror and I [TS]

  influences here [TS]

  yeah i would say that the death of the [TS]

  of the newspaper man being having his [TS]

  head completely exploded by the church [TS]

  spire is worse than anything that's in [TS]

  Sean of the dad pretty may linger for [TS]

  the next 12 or that really do the woman [TS]

  stabbing yourself the shears or getting [TS]

  stabbed with shears and then was the [TS]

  show that Timothy Dalton at the end [TS]

  getting hit [TS]

  look at all this really hurts [TS]

  yeah actually that's very funny because [TS]

  you expected it to the horrific death [TS]

  scene for him but he's not dead [TS]

  well the action movie he's just named [TS]

  yeah well and and the model village bit [TS]

  at the end is just fantastic i mean like [TS]

  just all the things that you really like [TS]

  it you know as a point when you when [TS]

  they're driving in early on it has the [TS]

  sign that says model village which of [TS]

  course and my friends to like it's the [TS]

  perfect village but it's also a little [TS]

  teeny tiny village [TS]

  yes and then you're there i love that [TS]

  they're fighting after having wrecked [TS]

  the whole main town right with a [TS]

  gunfight they have to take it over to [TS]

  the little tiny model town and let's [TS]

  start matching that of this great such a [TS]

  bizarre piece of setting that it works [TS]

  they have to have a fist fight because [TS]

  you can't just solve everything with [TS]

  guns you have to have the best romantic [TS]

  you know mano a mano [TS]

  yeah whatever one of the funny things [TS]

  that i think i got from from the [TS]

  interactive script that David mentioned [TS]

  they were interviewing Timothy Dalton [TS]

  and it actually interviewing him and and [TS]

  so [TS]

  MPEG separately they're talking about [TS]

  the chasing at the end because there's [TS]

  this whole bit where they're they're [TS]

  chasing after each other in these tiny [TS]

  little police cars and they're shooting [TS]

  guns at each other you know it again [TS]

  doing the things that that Danny was [TS]

  asking about earlier and Timothy Dalton [TS]

  was like like that was an immense amount [TS]

  of fun and simon pegg is like like but [TS]

  you were chains bond like how can you [TS]

  say that can be anything until they [TS]

  don't laughs he's like do you think that [TS]

  Brock that the Akalis that the broccolis [TS]

  whoever owns the bond franchise yeah [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  do you think they would let me do any of [TS]

  those action scenes myself and so so [TS]

  like he got to actually do that were you [TS]

  know instead of just stuntman and and it [TS]

  was awesome that you know James Bond [TS]

  thought that this little bit was like [TS]

  the best action he's ever done in any [TS]

  movie [TS]

  yeah they did they did a lot of their [TS]

  own stunts in that one including they [TS]

  mentioned that the in the jumping the [TS]

  fencing which is a commonality between [TS]

  all three movies that that somebody has [TS]

  the first three and then it's an [TS]

  acrobatic is like the somersault over [TS]

  the last and that he's but that also he [TS]

  does a bunch of the fight scenes and [TS]

  stuff like that to which I mean it were [TS]

  a you know I think it helps contribute [TS]

  to the the verisimilitude of it as it [TS]

  were [TS]

  no definitely an end and it will really [TS]

  come into play in the next movie too [TS]

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  and talk about the World's End which i [TS]

  think most of us probably saw pretty [TS]

  recently and so it's only been out for a [TS]

  few weeks or maybe a maybe a little more [TS]

  than like a month or two in this one [TS]

  Simon Pegg is gary king he is a [TS]

  messed-up dude he is in the ILA and I [TS]

  really like that about it that that in [TS]

  this movie [TS]

  everybody else all of his friends from [TS]

  school that he drags along to their [TS]

  hometown to go through these ten [TS]

  different pubs over the course of one [TS]

  night they all have moved on with their [TS]

  lives they are all essentially regular [TS]

  guys and he is in as extremist state of [TS]

  Arrested Development as you will ever [TS]

  see the the best the best moment being [TS]

  when they're in his car and one of them [TS]

  comments [TS]

  this is this is like the car that I sold [TS]

  you in whatever 1995 and he's in 1990 [TS]

  and he says it is that car and then put [TS]

  a cassette tape and he says oh I [TS]

  remember remember when I gave you this [TS]

  tape you know a tape of this album [TS]

  nieces this is that tape [TS]

  it's like what what have you been doing [TS]

  for the last 20 years nothing you know [TS]

  what [TS]

  nothing has changed with him he's an in [TS]

  the state of various development and at [TS]

  and everybody else is sort of talked [TS]

  into it through his lies into doing this [TS]

  pub crawl [TS]

  so I like that in this movie it really [TS]

  is Simon Pegg who is the problem and not [TS]

  not anybody else Nick Frost is this is [TS]

  like the straight man he is absolutely [TS]

  the straight manages which is great as I [TS]

  got another great about face because you [TS]

  kind of go in expecting through the same [TS]

  sort of thing where it's like all right [TS]

  I'm thank you have character and Nick [TS]

  Frost is the bumbling like you know [TS]

  sidekick or whatever and not not really [TS]

  kind of the other way around [TS]

  there's actually nice that there was no [TS]

  bumbling sidekick in this one [TS]

  yeah yeah they all have their they all [TS]

  have their uh the characters in here all [TS]

  have their different little quirks a [TS]

  little personalities i really like [TS]

  martin freeman in this MH as oh man who [TS]

  you know looking at the first two movies [TS]

  that we watch tonight I guess I should [TS]

  have guessed that bad things happen to [TS]

  martin freeman's character in in worlds [TS]

  and spoiler but I I didn't I was so [TS]

  hoping I'm like martin freeman i love [TS]

  martin freeman night the whole I just I [TS]

  didn't realize like I I guess I must [TS]

  have blanked him out in shaun of the [TS]

  dead and hot fuzz i did not remember him [TS]

  being in either one [TS]

  well it is it's blink and you miss him [TS]

  yes I mean lines and Shan Shan daddy as [TS]

  he has that one or two scenes i guess [TS]

  with Bill Nighy and Steve Coogan and hot [TS]

  fuzz [TS]

  yeah I remembered as soon as I start [TS]

  watching well that's right Martin [TS]

  Freeman is boss but yeah it's nice to [TS]

  see them and and you also get any marks [TS]

  and who I was a ironically in a [TS]

  different sherlock holmes franchise from [TS]

  from martin freeman he plays an Elvis [TS]

  trod i think in the robert downey junior [TS]

  version and and Paddy Considine again [TS]

  who is who is great i really like him [TS]

  this is a movie that so it takes it [TS]

  takes are not just a right turn it takes [TS]

  a sharp sharp writer and halfway through [TS]

  it if you'd go into this movie thinking [TS]

  it's going to be a you know a story [TS]

  about a guy who's really trying to [TS]

  relive the past and obviously he's going [TS]

  to have a journey over the course of [TS]

  going through all these different parts [TS]

  going through all these different parts [TS]

  herbs and and and you know his friends [TS]

  are gonna learn about their stare state [TS]

  kind of middle-aged ways but he's gonna [TS]

  learn something about having to move on [TS]

  all that effect is the movie gives you [TS]

  that for the first one half hour 45 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  it's a darker funny but it's really kind [TS]

  of dark and weird and I liked it a lot [TS]

  and I'm sitting there thinking I know [TS]

  that something is going to happen here [TS]

  but it's amazing how long it goes where [TS]

  it's really like Gary King how messed up [TS]

  is he meet these guys they obviously [TS]

  have a bond in the past but they've all [TS]

  moved on i really loved all of that and [TS]

  you know I to the point where I if it [TS]

  didn't take the crazy left turn [TS]

  I think this would still be a really [TS]

  good movie it's just that halfway [TS]

  through it becomes a totally different [TS]

  movie what I like about a great films in [TS]

  general is that he takes he takes these [TS]

  really trouble some things that we're [TS]

  all going through you know the the [TS]

  process of adulthood and really distills [TS]

  it through an extraordinary set of [TS]

  circumstances where it's like let's that [TS]

  let's take growing up through the lens [TS]

  of zombies and let's take developing [TS]

  personal relationships and friendships [TS]

  through crazy town and let's touch up [TS]

  again on growing up but really this time [TS]

  with aliens [TS]

  it's like and and no bots yeah i mean [TS]

  the the whole idea that this you know [TS]

  you did there from the suburban sort of [TS]

  the end of nowhere town and its really [TS]

  boring [TS]

  I mean everybody grows up wherever it [TS]

  almost anybody grows up its they're [TS]

  going to say it's boring even if it's [TS]

  actually exciting they're going to say [TS]

  it's boring but you know i like that in [TS]

  the idea that these people are all kind [TS]

  of drained of all life and he's trying [TS]

  to interject you know it [TS]

  inject life and excitement back into his [TS]

  friends lives but also this town that [TS]

  they came from and then we see that the [TS]

  reason the town is devoid of all life is [TS]

  it because [TS]

  there are aliens in that town [TS]

  spoiler alert sorry again why are you [TS]

  listening it if you want to be spoiled [TS]

  to listen the the moment now that we've [TS]

  blown the spoiler horn but I love that [TS]

  moment in the bathroom in the pub where [TS]

  where he gets where Gary gets a [TS]

  confronts the kids and you you thinking [TS]

  you know he's hit rock bottom this guy [TS]

  is such a mess his life is is a wreck [TS]

  and he pops one of the kids heads off [TS]

  and there's blue ink everywhere and [TS]

  they're like alien robots got blood on [TS]

  our hands technically it's more like [TS]

  we've got ink on our head that I I such [TS]

  a great mom i think i mentioned this to [TS]

  you Jason Murphy was on a podcaster just [TS]

  in a conversation but I was watching it [TS]

  in a friend of mine was sitting next to [TS]

  me and she had clearly come into this [TS]

  not knowing what this movie with spout [TS]

  yeah I don't like you know she's like [TS]

  you know we also we're having a good [TS]

  time laughing all this and I look over [TS]

  that scene because I knew it was coming [TS]

  eventually and she's just like eyes wide [TS]

  like what we're going on [TS]

  it was a great moment it all the way [TS]

  they do it to it is is great because [TS]

  it's not like you know he reaches over [TS]

  and pops his head off their they're [TS]

  having this little fight scene and [TS]

  throws the guy down and his head you [TS]

  know it's the urine olin and the edge of [TS]

  the URL and you know normally like maybe [TS]

  the urinal with breakaway or sport ever [TS]

  but no his head just pops all right off [TS]

  think flies around you and then the head [TS]

  looks at them a little bit longer while [TS]

  it's on the floor and once this happens [TS]

  and you realize what you're seeing here [TS]

  it is the I feel like this movie plays [TS]

  by the rules that we and it takes them [TS]

  to their extreme that that it it seems [TS]

  to know exactly what it wants to do and [TS]

  uh although again if you had an entire [TS]

  village full of these guys could you not [TS]

  not let them go to the next pub but they [TS]

  managed it anyway but i I just I like [TS]

  that too that there soon be some rules [TS]

  about how you can defeat these kind of [TS]

  robot guys or whatever they are there's [TS]

  a whole hilarious debate where they're [TS]

  talking about if they are robots or [TS]

  aliens or something else like what we [TS]

  call them which is really nice while [TS]

  they're having beer not robot because [TS]

  you know what the origin of the word [TS]

  robot [TS]

  exactly slave yes very important i think [TS]

  they do a fairly good job of a of towing [TS]

  that line of working within those rules [TS]

  and also like it if they were to go like [TS]

  you know an inch further you would think [TS]

  okay well why don't the robots just [TS]

  swarm them and be done with it you know [TS]

  and and they're also sort of more [TS]

  credibility moments where you're like [TS]

  okay like they know what's going on yet [TS]

  there are continuing to do this pub [TS]

  crawl and they make justifications for [TS]

  this that I think are are are just good [TS]

  enough for you say okay well they can't [TS]

  leave the town because that might alert [TS]

  them and then they would die in a field [TS]

  somewhere as as somebody says and and [TS]

  then says I don't like fields you know [TS]

  and and then like likes so you're still [TS]

  with them on the adventure rather than [TS]

  saying you idiots just get in the car [TS]

  and leave which I think was a hard thing [TS]

  for them to do I think they pulled it [TS]

  off pretty well yeah um one of the [TS]

  things I like about about this movie is [TS]

  Simon Pegg really does take a journey [TS]

  here Gary King I mean he this adventure [TS]

  that he's in he you know he's messed [TS]

  he's really messed up we actually learn [TS]

  as we go that he has been committed [TS]

  because he tried to kill himself that's [TS]

  the the the the group therapy that he's [TS]

  in at the beginning and he walks away [TS]

  from that he's got scars on his wrists [TS]

  and then he is he is a really messed-up [TS]

  guy and i think it's interesting i was [TS]

  reading an article about the making of [TS]

  this movie and simon pegg mentioned that [TS]

  it's all prop beer because he doesn't [TS]

  drink anymore and one of the you know [TS]

  things about about gary is that he is a [TS]

  you know complete mess and an alcoholic [TS]

  and I gotta think that there is a you [TS]

  know there's a a pretty personal story [TS]

  going on in this in this movie about [TS]

  this guy who's really messed up an [TS]

  alcoholic and how you know it by the end [TS]

  of the movie he doesn't drink anymore [TS]

  and he's living a very different life [TS]

  because there's been an apocalypse [TS]

  because what happens in the movie but uh [TS]

  I i was struck by that you know in the [TS]

  midst of the action and the comedy there [TS]

  is this core that never really drops [TS]

  away that we see in the beginning of the [TS]

  movie about how messed up this guy is [TS]

  and I you know and we are following his [TS]

  journey to being you know a different [TS]

  person and a better person at the end [TS]

  which I thought you know that didn't [TS]

  need to be here for this to be a fun [TS]

  ridiculous movie but it's there [TS]

  well in the thing I like in all of these [TS]

  space program at your space Sean hot [TS]

  fuzz and World's End is that all of [TS]

  these it in very different ways with [TS]

  very different characters but they all [TS]

  follow a protagonist who is missing [TS]

  something [TS]

  you know Nicholas angel is the perfect [TS]

  cop but he's missing the humanity [TS]

  sean is missing the full color of life [TS]

  is kind of living in a black-and-white [TS]

  world and Gary of course goes through [TS]

  the biggest journey and the biggest [TS]

  transformation of them all but they're [TS]

  all missing something and by the end [TS]

  they've they've achieved that which is [TS]

  really interesting and I mean in some [TS]

  ways its maturity but no no no most of [TS]

  the most of the characters drop along [TS]

  the way although in this case just being [TS]

  being taken [TS]

  there's a really nice moment where you [TS]

  don't know whether that when they're [TS]

  taken and replaced with robot duplicates [TS]

  are they did and then when they get the [TS]

  final to the World's End and talk to the [TS]

  voice of the alien Network it's revealed [TS]

  that their mulched so they are actually [TS]

  10 yeah I was released I kept hoping [TS]

  they would rescue martin freeman there [TS]

  at the end but but but they've got his [TS]

  uh but they've got his head half blown [TS]

  off robot guy who turns out a so I'm [TS]

  very good at selling real estate [TS]

  yeah with his head blown off because [TS]

  he's a robot i also love the the Chico's [TS]

  rule again they named the movie the [TS]

  world's end and you get the worlds in [TS]

  yeah when they reach the the world's end [TS]

  the world it actually and I'm unclear on [TS]

  the fact of the world's end as a pub [TS]

  also has a thing that lowers into the [TS]

  floor to reveal the alien whatever but [TS]

  at that point I'm like all right Kelly [TS]

  already lost your your your body in it [TS]

  point where the boss level I mean the [TS]

  boss level it just does that because [TS]

  this is the end you can you reach the [TS]

  end reminds me of the movie Penn & [TS]

  Teller get killed [TS]

  which is by no means a great movie or at [TS]

  all but at the end of the movie it [TS]

  builds up to the point where lo and [TS]

  behold they get shot in their killed and [TS]

  is the camera pulls back and the credit [TS]

  start rolling pendulums voice comes on [TS]

  it goes [TS]

  what did you expect we named the movie [TS]

  pennant I had killed anything else would [TS]

  be a cheat [TS]

  I really love it what I really love [TS]

  about the ending not necessarily the [TS]

  Kota which we could talk about but I i [TS]

  love the fact that when these guys [TS]

  finally talked to the the network and [TS]

  that this the whole point of this [TS]

  horrible alien invasion is to socialize [TS]

  us so that we play nice little more [TS]

  nicely with others so that when earth [TS]

  joins the interstellar you know [TS]

  community we are better behaved because [TS]

  we're kind of messed up and that's funny [TS]

  and what's funnier is all of that you [TS]

  know all these these guys say you know [TS]

  basically screw you don't tell us what [TS]

  to do [TS]

  will be just as will be just as unruly [TS]

  and dumb as we want to be and there's [TS]

  that callback to the one we want to do [TS]

  we want to drink me all that it's like [TS]

  would be responsible and they basically [TS]

  tell the alien Network of the galaxy two [TS]

  to get a piss off and they do and they [TS]

  end of human civilization as a result [TS]

  which you know [TS]

  yeah I was surprised by that choice at [TS]

  the end but but i really like the idea [TS]

  that that that people would say I mean [TS]

  it seems like such human nature to me to [TS]

  say oh hey aliens that's cool but you [TS]

  what you want to change us [TS]

  you wanna you know screw you we're going [TS]

  to stay the same that's it you know that [TS]

  it's gonna set this movie in New York I [TS]

  think it would have been exactly the [TS]

  same kind of beautiful big what some [TS]

  alien comes in and tells me what to do [TS]

  forget about yeah but then instead [TS]

  they're like all right fine but then [TS]

  you're gonna have no electricity or [TS]

  metal and they make it work pretty well [TS]

  because the throughout the whole movie [TS]

  you find that that it's impossible to [TS]

  argue with Kerry King and that [TS]

  that's what what all right triggers [TS]

  everything at the end because the the [TS]

  the network is finally like I forget it [TS]

  your ID you can yeah alright fine give [TS]

  up and of course Bill Nighy again that's [TS]

  the 1i again and that leads us to the [TS]

  end end which is that we end up in this [TS]

  post-apocalyptic world where there's no [TS]

  electricity and it's and it's a and it's [TS]

  the apocalypse and I you know it how's [TS]

  that was a long that was a whole extra [TS]

  thing where i'm like really all this way [TS]

  I figured they'd just like blow up the [TS]

  town and leave [TS]

  I thought that was a kind of a funny [TS]

  random ending [TS]

  I've seen a couple people in the chat [TS]

  room say that they felt like that was [TS]

  kind of a like a cop-out ever minded you [TS]

  have a fahrenheit 451 a little bit we're [TS]

  all like sit around telling stories [TS]

  around the fire right [TS]

  you remind me of a boy and his dog this [TS]

  one's name should remind you that no no [TS]

  that's true [TS]

  it did seem a little tact on which is [TS]

  which was surprising because you know it [TS]

  as we discussed like these guys don't [TS]

  attack on anything like like everything [TS]

  is so deliberate [TS]

  I mean I think so i I've seen the movie [TS]

  three times and it it kind of works a [TS]

  little bit better when you see it again [TS]

  and I should also recommend anybody like [TS]

  you have to watch these movies many many [TS]

  times because it really pays off but [TS]

  still is especially the first time I was [TS]

  like I was like oh ok so so they went [TS]

  there they they did the full apocalypse [TS]

  and now we're just going to have kind of [TS]

  a voiceover here's what happened to this [TS]

  person hears what happened at all the [TS]

  robots are still alive even though the [TS]

  aliens left which kinda doesn't make [TS]

  sense but makes yeah yeah I i woulda [TS]

  probably preferred an ending where they [TS]

  blew up the town and they ended up sort [TS]

  of sitting there at the end being like [TS]

  well never come we can never go home [TS]

  again you know or just we'll go back to [TS]

  our lives and will be better people but [TS]

  instead it was you know they wanted to [TS]

  do an apocalypse thing but yeah it came [TS]

  it kind of came out of left field didn't [TS]

  think it was necessary but you know i [TS]

  love the movie i loved the movie I i [TS]

  want to say I it's rare that i come out [TS]

  of a movie theater feeling as kind of [TS]

  happy and entertained and delighted as I [TS]

  did coming out of this because it was [TS]

  the respectable in it but you know it's [TS]

  a 20 million dollar movie it's not a [TS]

  hundred-million-dollar movie it it's got [TS]

  some spectacle but it's got humanity and [TS]

  it's got laughs and and I its quirky and [TS]

  weird and funny and plus it pushes all [TS]

  the side buttons that that you know I I [TS]

  enjoy seeing pushed and things blowing [TS]

  up so I thought it was great and it has [TS]

  amazing fight scenes me what what's [TS]

  what's great is when two things one nick [TS]

  frost turns out to be like like the the [TS]

  super brawler that can take down you [TS]

  know as many blanks or yes robots as [TS]

  possible and and they actually make that [TS]

  work because I mean Nick Frost is a big [TS]

  guy and he does a lot of running and [TS]

  you're sort of like all right that's [TS]

  that's kind of a little bit you know [TS]

  stretches the credibility except that [TS]

  they make it clear early on that he was [TS]

  like a big rugby player so you're like [TS]

  okay so he's a rugby player was put on [TS]

  some pounds who you know is is now older [TS]

  but can totally kick butt when he needs [TS]

  to [TS]

  and also one of the things that they've [TS]

  mentioned some of the interviews is when [TS]

  they were choreographing the fight [TS]

  scenes they're very much trying to [TS]

  figure out like how would each of these [TS]

  these actors do well in a fight scene so [TS]

  it doesn't seem like you know you have [TS]

  an actor who's fighting like suddenly [TS]

  has you know superfight powers if as you [TS]

  see in some movies and in some cases you [TS]

  have like like anybody marcin who you [TS]

  know that he doesn't fight at all eat [TS]

  runs away and skulls on the ground and [TS]

  so that it be [TS]

  it really works and also works in the [TS]

  sense that that the actors are doing a [TS]

  lot of this like you see them in the [TS]

  camera moves and you can see what's [TS]

  going on again unlike many fight scenes [TS]

  that are cut so quickly that your it's [TS]

  just kind of a blur of fists and things [TS]

  yeah I end and for me I agree with Jason [TS]

  I came out of this feeling incredibly [TS]

  positive about this and and I i did was [TS]

  lucky enough to go see it with a you [TS]

  know like probably close to a dozen [TS]

  friends of mine some of whom I've known [TS]

  for like 20 years so yeah there's I [TS]

  think it definitely definitely shed some [TS]

  light on it in some inputs an inch [TS]

  testing perspective when you're saying [TS]

  that I guess we kind of have you know [TS]

  the exact same group of friends it's [TS]

  been around for like 20 years with you [TS]

  know with with our ups and downs and our [TS]

  are complicated relationships but it was [TS]

  still I really enjoyed it i found myself [TS]

  I just looking back now and thinking [TS]

  about it I just I felt like I was [TS]

  laughing kind of non-stop through you [TS]

  know a good portion of the second and [TS]

  third acts i should also mention that [TS]

  that Glenn freshman who who recommended [TS]

  me for this podcast it's seen with him [TS]

  was a hoot because basically like [TS]

  through all the fight scenes he was [TS]

  Kathleen like I've never seen it like he [TS]

  literally almost fell out of his chair [TS]

  in the theater [TS]

  well i mean that's that's because Edgar [TS]

  Wright's cousin once was a okay Lana [TS]

  father's pet groomer so you know there's [TS]

  a connection know it's a funny movie and [TS]

  all the it works it all works right that [TS]

  the the characters and the you know the [TS]

  the more serious story that's happening [TS]

  and the humor of it and then the [TS]

  outlandish syfy which is handled in a [TS]

  you know it's not it if people [TS]

  nobody's as frightened of it is maybe [TS]

  they would be in real life but it's [TS]

  still handles sort of consistently and [TS]

  so you end up with this really enjoyable [TS]

  ride where I was never gonna be like [TS]

  terrified or seriously worried about the [TS]

  lives of the characters which turns out [TS]

  i should have been in some cases is [TS]

  because I was just enjoying the ride it [TS]

  was a really nice package of things that [TS]

  I don't you don't see these kind of [TS]

  these movies are kind of a kind here and [TS]

  you don't see a lot of movies like them [TS]

  i think that's one of the remarkable [TS]

  things about what these guys do is that [TS]

  is that they're doing that whatever [TS]

  ingredients they have in their recipe [TS]

  book you know they're there they're [TS]

  cooking with ingredients that other [TS]

  people aren't I mean they these movies [TS]

  feel similar in so many ways and I'm a [TS]

  little surprised that other maybe it's [TS]

  just not something we can be replicated [TS]

  that that that we don't see it more [TS]

  movies in this in this vein because [TS]

  they're not super high budget they [TS]

  combine these different elements of [TS]

  humor and action and they work really [TS]

  well [TS]

  well I think we have to contribute some [TS]

  of that to the filmmakers themselves [TS]

  because unlike its it's very easy to say [TS]

  i'm going to create [TS]

  a low-budget films for India friendly [TS]

  and I just haven't seen those movies I [TS]

  mean I haven't seen they haven't ever [TS]

  been knockoffs of these movies that have [TS]

  just failed or is nobody even trying [TS]

  because of these guys are the only guys [TS]

  who can do it right [TS]

  I i think it's it's a hard if they're [TS]

  not formulaic right and so much of what [TS]

  we see out of Hollywood is formulaic [TS]

  that it there's a tendency to just sort [TS]

  of like well just you know take the tick [TS]

  the boxes and going numbers I i think if [TS]

  you tried to pull off something that was [TS]

  even intuitive this it would probably [TS]

  fail just because it is in some way so [TS]

  tied to who they are as people because [TS]

  of all these things like these lodges [TS]

  and these love you know [TS]

  references to films and John rose and [TS]

  stuff like that i think you know you do [TS]

  see things occasionally that are of this [TS]

  ilk but it's hard to get made to I think [TS]

  because it's hard to sell somebody on it [TS]

  and and you know even as a smaller movie [TS]

  i think you know Edgar is at least as [TS]

  established his his credit and simon [TS]

  pegg certainly is become a a marketable [TS]

  star in some ways I mean he's you know [TS]

  in in Star Trek for for heaven's sake so [TS]

  I think there is a kind of a perfect [TS]

  storm of of factors there that they get [TS]

  these movies made in the I mean you know [TS]

  if the chief chief reason behind them is [TS]

  because they're great and it's hard to [TS]

  make a great movie of this sort I think [TS]

  yeah well also they're all three of them [TS]

  originated in the british film film [TS]

  world they didn't start as Hollywood [TS]

  films so that kinda helps to have a [TS]

  little more freedom to be different [TS]

  there at third as many people saying [TS]

  well you know you need more aliens here [TS]

  in a Benson Stephenson a what if there's [TS]

  like a sex scene was known sit at the [TS]

  pub pub come on they they try and have a [TS]

  sexy but it doesn't go out so well for [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah yeah I got your present now I mean [TS]

  you look at Joe Cornish was kind of on [TS]

  the fringe of their of their group [TS]

  heated attack of the block which is in [TS]

  some ways very similar to these films [TS]

  and and very very clever which I I don't [TS]

  know if anybody's seen it but it's it's [TS]

  very it's a fun fun little film but [TS]

  honestly [TS]

  I'm trying to compare the closest thing [TS]

  I can think of is like galaxy quest [TS]

  which is like it's it's not even [TS]

  remotely in the same field but it has [TS]

  the same kind of playful fun [TS]

  endologix without necessarily feeling [TS]

  cookie cutter what's what's really cool [TS]

  is Joe corner and adam buxton who [TS]

  appears and he's in a noise and hot fuzz [TS]

  that remote be in the other [TS]

  yeah the two of them have have worked [TS]

  together as a team on TV and radio over [TS]

  in England and so they've been an [TS]

  interesting stuff and joe cornish has [TS]

  co-written the script for ant-man edgar [TS]

  wright but they're supposedly making [TS]

  soon so lastly out as we record this [TS]

  yesterday at your right tweeted a [TS]

  picture of ant-man from the set of and [TS]

  now everyone's and everyone above which [TS]

  is probably the wrong word but yeah last [TS]

  weekend but everybody's uh whatever it [TS]

  is a chance to my outline of my personal [TS]

  healing food favorite a cameo is in hot [TS]

  fuzz which i actually knew about but i [TS]

  was reminded this time watching it the [TS]

  Santa who stabs Nicholas angel in the [TS]

  flashback yeah his Peter Jackson yeah [TS]

  haha i love that that's great and it [TS]

  Edgar Wright is a grocery stock boy and [TS]

  I'm very very briefly shown Cape wages [TS]

  places [TS]

  Nicholas angels crime scene girlfriend [TS]

  would never never seen or never seen the [TS]

  face of it get tickets stars as as [TS]

  famous as cate blanchett and put her in [TS]

  a like crime CSI you know suit never [TS]

  show her fits well from what i heard [TS]

  that like like she was a big fan of Sean [TS]

  of the Dead and wanted to be in the [TS]

  movie but that was right when she was [TS]

  really you know getting very very [TS]

  popular and I think your agent was like [TS]

  no no you're not going to do this little [TS]

  cop movie and so she managed to to do it [TS]

  i think if if she could hide her face [TS]

  and not be listed in the credits because [TS]

  she wanted to be in it right [TS]

  I guess I love that they get these guys [TS]

  that I had a brief moment like you know [TS]

  brain fart moment when watching worlds [TS]

  and because Pierce Brosnan's in it and [TS]

  somehow I coalesced in with Timothy [TS]

  Dalton might [TS]

  like they got him back for this military [TS]

  intelligence for my james bond james [TS]

  bond is back in another movie which [TS]

  james bond will be a man james bond will [TS]

  return in yes Roger Moore will be around [TS]

  but clearly shown Connery is hiding and [TS]

  showing of the did some you gotta drag [TS]

  child coming out of retirement [TS]

  yeah yeah I just can't wait until what [TS]

  they have next on the docket that's not [TS]

  a pre pre generated series right like [TS]

  ant-man is going to be all well and good [TS]

  and rumors of a right taking on another [TS]

  star trek film or a star wars heaven [TS]

  forbid that would all be really really [TS]

  awesome but I love their original films [TS]

  so much and now that they've kind of [TS]

  wrapped up the Cornetto trilogy i'm [TS]

  really curious as to what they where [TS]

  they want to go next yeah absolutely [TS]

  yeah it's it's good stuff they should [TS]

  they should keep I think there's a honky [TS]

  proven there's an audience for these you [TS]

  know reasonably priced movies so even [TS]

  though they said they never there will [TS]

  never go back two spaced-apart we can [TS]

  still dream dream a little dream three [TS]

  that the the the you know the the spirit [TS]

  of space to live so does it does i'm [TS]

  happy with that I'm happy that it lives [TS]

  on it all alright well that that wraps [TS]

  it up [TS]

  we've done all we can do I think for [TS]

  this time we didn't sadly we don't have [TS]

  the budget to end this with a climactic [TS]

  action sequence where all of us podcast [TS]

  explode shoot at any aliens that are [TS]

  coming through the podcast doors and [TS]

  that's that's what radio theatre is yeah [TS]

  we are gonna blow this thing wide out [TS]

  but we don't get we got the radio so [TS]

  crazy it just might work [TS]

  that's right so I I all I have to do [TS]

  instead of the climactic fight scene is [TS]

  to thank my guests for being here to [TS]

  talk about these fun movies jeff carlson [TS]

  thanks for dropping in on an episode [TS]

  that doesn't require you to appear live [TS]

  on stage [TS]

  thank you and you know we'll always have [TS]

  the disableds did it now we'll probably [TS]

  get complaints from people like like [TS]

  we've seen about disabled people [TS]

  no no here's the extra large bathroom [TS]

  stall that's yes okay it's really called [TS]

  well thank you [TS]

  you player 2 has left the game David [TS]

  lower thanks for being here thank you [TS]

  i'm going to go in the backyard and [TS]

  through some help ease now you're the [TS]

  wax duplicate of game Auryn not the real [TS]

  Dan more and this would explain how you [TS]

  get ink all over your hands because [TS]

  she'll just be careful real Dan Morgan [TS]

  thank you for being here too and it's [TS]

  always a pleasure [TS]

  Jason what's the matter you never taken [TS]

  a shortcut for this is one of your this [TS]

  one of your favorites it is i know i got [TS]

  to be here [TS]

  yeah and thanks everybody out there in [TS]

  podcast land for listening to the [TS]

  uncomfortable as always I've been your [TS]

  loyal faithful host Jason smell and [TS]

  we'll see you next time [TS]