Hypercritical

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00:00:02 ◼   ► it's hypercritical a weekly talkshow [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

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00:00:44 ◼   ► them as the show goes on hi John what's [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► on the list this week last if you [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► mentioned may be talking about markdown [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► but we never got to it yeah maybe we [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► won't get to it this week you every time [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► every time I think I have a topic I want [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► to talk about news happens but before we [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► get to any news stuff I think we should [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► do a little bit of follow up from last [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► week so the title of last week's episode [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► and one of these stories I relayed [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► during the episode was paths in the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► grass and I mentioned that it was a [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► story that I had heard originally in I [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► think it was a keynote speech and open [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► source conference room from Larry wall [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► talking about how some university in [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► California didn't put in sidewalks but [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► just let people walk wherever they [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► wanted on the grass and then figured out [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► where the trails were worn in the grass [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► and then put in sidewalks there and I [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► couldn't remember the name of the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► University so I looked it up after the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► show actually I was off what Larry wall [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► said and his thing was it was the [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► University of California Irvine campus [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► that did this and then of course many [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► other people said well this you know [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► this may just be an urban legend which [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► is true with the same story's been [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► attributed to many schools maybe many [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► schools actually do this and in fact [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► there's a name for this type of thing [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► it's called the desire path I have their [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► Wikipedia link to desire path in the [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► show notes so people can look it up but [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► apparently this is a common thing and [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► who knows where the saying originally [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► came from but I just wanted to flesh out [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► the backstory of paths in the grass and [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► of course I used it back in whatever [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► year was 2008 2005 something like that [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► to talk about hack sees and that's what [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► we talked about on the last show [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► another thing we talked about maybe a [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► couple shows ago discussing lion but [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► when we went down and I discuss the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► scrolling you know that the [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► quote-unquote reverse scrolling versus [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► natural scrolling and all that business [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I mentioned that no matter what setting [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► you put those little checkboxes in [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► something feels weird so for example if [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► you put it in the pre lion mode like I [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► just want it to work like it didn't snow [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► leopard okay so you put it in that mode [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► it's fine you're using your mouse with [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► your mouse wheel or whatever everything [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► is exactly as it was in Snow Leopard [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► but then when you go to something like [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► Mission Control with the put two spaces [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► or a launch pad is another good example [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► and you try to do a sideways wipe and [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► launch pad like so you have a trackpad [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► attached or you have a laptop or [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► something even in the engine and the [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► default not the default even in the old [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► style Snow Leopard mode when you do the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► swipe the two fingers swipe or whatever [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► it is to go back and forth between [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► launch pad screens that feels backwards [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► because as soon as you see that big grid [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► of icons your brain goes into iOS mode [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► and you expect to swipe just like you [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► swipe through your home screens on your [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► iPhone or whatever but that's not the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► way it works because you said no no I [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► want it back the old way so what I was [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► saying is that I really really wanted is [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► maybe a vertical scrolling to be like it [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► is you know in the old days and Snow [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► Leopard but horizontal scrolling to be [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► in the new style but maybe or maybe I [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► want it to be vertical scrolling the old [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► way only on my mouse wheel but have it [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► be the new way on the touchpad and all [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► sorts of combinations like that now I [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► made the analogy to first-person shooter [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► games we can always do the invert y-axis [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► setting right some people like to push [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► their mouse the wrong way [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► and yes and first-person shooters it [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► really is wrong all right and push the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► press the wrong way to make their view [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► go up and down so finally there's a [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► utility finally that's the yeah that's [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► the big thing finally it's been how long [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► since line came out almost three weeks [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► now there's a great utility called what [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► is it called I have to go to the page [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► it's got some sort of [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► generic name like it's scroll reverser [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► for Mac os10 there you go [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► generic name but very descriptive and is [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► lets you have per axis per device scroll [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► Direction reversal because scrolling [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► scrolling with the doing natural scoring [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► with the scroll wheel on a mouse is [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► really strange for people right yeah so [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► you can do reverse the vertical reverse [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the horizontal you can reverse the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► trackpad the mouse or the tablet and and [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► this utility works on Snow Leopard as [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► well as lion so you can decide what you [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► think is the most natural combination of [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► input devices and scrolling directions [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► and then apply that to all your Mac's no [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► matter which operating system they're [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► running and then just I guess run this [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► grow a browser application for the rest [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► of your life I don't know there is [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► something to be said for finding a way [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► to become acclimated with the defaults [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► remember how painful that may be simply [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► yeah on utility I'm actually a little [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► surprised by about how big of an issue [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► this has become because I just switched [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► and maybe I'm just a maybe I'm just kind [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► of a pushover when it comes to this kind [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► of stuff but I just switched and it took [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► me took me a half hour to get used to to [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► the scrolling and everything but [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► everything else felt pretty much normal [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► to me so it's easy to get used to these [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► things like you will become I became [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► acclimated to the reverse one just [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► playing around with lion you know on and [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► off while I was doing my review but that [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the the reason I noticed that I became [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► alkylated because I were to go back to [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► my normal computer and try to do [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► something and the screen will go the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► wrong way because I had got used to the [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► other way so having some sort of unified [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► direction across all your Mac's but [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► they're running Snow Leopard or lion is [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► important during this transition period [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► because even if you get used to the new [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► one then you're just as frustrated [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► doubly because you're frustrated when [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► you go back to Snow Leopard then you use [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► the Snow Leopard you're frustrated when [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► you go back to lion and so on and so [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► forth so one not possibilities to just [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► set it to the Snow Leopard Direction [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► everywhere for now until the transition [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► is complete and then once all your [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► machines at home and at work and every [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► Mac you encounter is running lion then [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► you can get we used to the new way and [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► that'll might take like a day or two I [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► think alright well that sounds good for [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► for people that are losing sleep about [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► scrolling yeah I do like the idea I [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► Apple builds us in I do like the idea of [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► being able to pick on a per device basis [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► which way things should be because the I [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► agree was very different from a truck [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► touchpad yeah I went in after I [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► installed a lion I actually went out to [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► the Apple store and bought the trackpad [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► because it was just kind of weird to me [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► with the with the mouse so yeah well [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► that's some that's nice then for for [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► people that need a little bit of the the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► more specific settings per per device so [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► it's scroll reverse a reverse trackpad [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► reverse mouse route this is pretty do [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► you think it's something that Apple will [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► bei don't build in though eventually you [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► think it's or you think there's going to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► let people suffer through the transition [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► I think at what Apple believes is that [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► the that the mouse will become so so [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► much less important as an input device [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► already the trackpad is the dominant [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► input device for Macs because they sell [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► many more laptops than they do desktops [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► and laptops don't come with the mouse so [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► already [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► everything is biased towards well we're [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► just going to make it feel right on the [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► trackpad and if it doesn't feel right [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► with you with your mouse tough luck and [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the mouse even is limited in the in the [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► gestures too so it's not that they can't [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► support everything and they do have a [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► touch Mouse and they do have that touch [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► trackpad thing I actually bought a [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► trackpad before I started doing my line [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► reviews just so I'd be able to [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► experience the full swipey swati poe [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► nature of the operating system I don't I [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► don't like touch pads I'm vastly vastly [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► more efficient with a mouse like if you [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► did some sort of laboratory experiment [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► as they shapes will appear on the screen [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► click on them as fast as you can we [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► chose an input device I would crush any [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► trackpad user with a mouse guaranteed [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► because it's it's like playing a [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► first-person shooter with someone with a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► mouse and keyboard versus a console [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► joystick right you may enjoy one of the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► other and you may be you know it may [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► feel more natural to you and that's [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► probably what's important if you like [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► the trackpad but efficiency wise but [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Syracuse is going to come out with more [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► kills is what yeah yeah oh and anybody [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► like have you ever met so anyone who [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► would claim that they are actually [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► better at finding and clicking on [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► targets with a trackpad than with the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► mouse I have not but I but [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► but I'm comfortable with the with the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► truck yeah now people could be people [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► could actually enjoy better than a mouse [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► they said well I don't like shuffling [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► around this thing but just in terms of [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► raw numbers if you're going to figure [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► out how much does what is the cognitive [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► load of using the trackpad how many [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► gestures to take how long does it take [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► trackpads or compromise and efficiency [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► and if you're someone like me who grew [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► up with the mouse I just can't get used [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► to the fact that I mean I've got to move [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► my finger again to get the cursor over [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► there or it's not quite where I wanted [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it to be or just it just doesn't feel as [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► relaxing to me to use a trackpad ya know [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► to me the trackpad feels more work and [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► it almost feels like I could more easily [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► injure my my hand using the trackpad for [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► long periods of time that I could if I [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► was using the mouse do you feel like [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► your tendons are under more I do but a [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► trackpad right here yeah and I feel like [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► I'm using yeah I'm using my fingers in a [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► way in you know in repetition in a way [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► that I don't I never did with a mouse [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► and I wasn't used to I know that you did [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► scrolling but you know when with the [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► trackpad you're using many more fingers [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► and using them a lot more than you would [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► especially with with moving the cursor [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► around the screen and I have tracking [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► set really fast because I hate a [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► dragging cursor but but ya know I feel [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► like it's more work and actually that's [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► my main concern about using the trackpad [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► is I'm going to hurt myself because I do [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► spend so many hours on the computer and [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► the mouse I never felt like it was going [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► to injure me because I you know maybe I [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► just have good posture when I work but [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► the trackpad just always feels like you [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► know I'm gonna do something to my [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► fingers at some point yeah there's a [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► couple a couple of factors working [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► against the trackpad one is that since [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it is touch sensitive that is the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► inclination to be afraid to let any part [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► of your hand touch it or around it so [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► your your whole hand is like poised [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► tensely or depending on how what kind of [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► person you are poised above the thing [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► and you don't want to touch it with the [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► other finger so you're keeping your [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► other fingers lifted up you're keeping [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► your hand away from it your hand is not [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► relaxed you're kind of hovering it over [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► they just letting the finger that you [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► want touch it now you could find a [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► comfortable position with some party [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► and resting around the trackpad where [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that's not necessary but the fact is [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that people do feel a little bit of that [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► tension some people feel out on mice too [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► if you watch a novice user using a mouse [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► they'll be afraid to touch the button [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► part they won't rest their hand on the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► mouse the way an experienced mouse user [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► will but I find that more problem with [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► trackpads ii is with the glass trackpad [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► that apple's added instead of having a [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► separate button the whole thing is a [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► button but it's still generally hinged [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► on one edge so you have much more [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► mechanical advantage pressing the [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► trackpad down towards the edge that's [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► farthest away from the hinge so if [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► you're going to to click the trackpad [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► there's a tendency for experienced [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► trackpad users to use their thumb on [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► where the button used to be ah but [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► they're also the option when you condor [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that no-man's land of like well maybe I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► could just press down with the finger [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that I have that I've been moving the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► cursor with because I'm close enough to [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► where the button region used to be but [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► you have to press harder because you're [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► not really down as far as you thought [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you are it's it's an awkward and kind of [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► it's simplified from a hardware design [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► perspective you can see what Apple likes [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► it no more button it's just the whole [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► thing is a button but it's kind of [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► strange in terms of the clicking [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► experience that the trackpad the [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► trackpad on the desktop is like that too [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► because on the desktop one the little [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► feet at the bottom or the clicky [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► triggers right and if you're pressing [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► down at the bottom edge you get good [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► your force transfer as well to the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► little clicky feet but if you're [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► pressing down to the top edge it's much [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► harder to make the thing tilt and [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► pushing the little clicky feet thing [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► it's hard to explain but I think [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► anyone's use the trackpad has [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► experienced the difference in in terms [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► of how much effort and thought is [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► required for that now there are some [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► people who haven't used mice and I've [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► only used track bites and they're [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► perhaps much more expert than us people [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► who grew up with mice but I still feel [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like on the mouse once you become [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► accustomed to it there's a clear place [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► to grip the mouse while maybe not an [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► apples mice button the third party mice [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► is a clear place to grip it is a clear [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► place to rest your hand and the buttons [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► you're always pressing them in the most [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► mechanically advantageous position [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► because your fingers kind of hang off [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► towards the edge and the front edges are [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► where you want to click on a good Mouse [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► and it's just there's no questioning [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► where your hand is or where your fingers [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► are where the hinges or whether you [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► should you know hold [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► with your thumb and press same thing we [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► like clicking and dragging clicking the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► dragon with the mouse is much more [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► natural it's like grip and move your [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► hand whereas on a trackpad you're like [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► well I have to press down and drag but [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► if I chose to press down with my pointer [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► finger that I was going to do the drag [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► with now it's weird so I should really [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► press down with my thumb where the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► button used to be and drag with the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► pointer finger but then I can't lift [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► that pointer finger up or it's like I'm [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► you know am i stopping the drag of that [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► point actually I can't lift my finger up [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► as long as I keep my thumb down there's [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► lots of finger gymnastics involved in in [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► track pads that I find unsettling uh all [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► which is not to say that track guides [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► are bad they're way better than I think [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► the alternatives like track balls for [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► regular people regular people know how [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► to just swipe it's tough but the mouse [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► man just feels so much more efficient to [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► me and actually is and I would I would [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► put that up against it there's someone [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► out there who thinks that they could in [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► a laboratory targeting test of like [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► finding and clicking on targets on a [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► computer screen could outdo either [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► themselves with a mouse versus trackpad [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► or you know the best Mouser in the world [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► versus the best trackpad in the world [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► I'd love to hear that I don't know how [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► to test it but I'd like to know if [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► someone thinks that that's possible that [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► they really are more efficient with the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► trackpad all right the challenge has [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► been issued we'll see Vinny can come up [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► with anything maybe some will write an [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► application like a mouse click e testing [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► application where it'll put up little [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► things you have to click on them it's [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► kind of like the icon factory game [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► picking time you've ever played that I [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► have not I should put that in the show [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► notes that see it it's a game for iOS [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► which is a very different experiences [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► when you're touching the screen that's [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► an instance where screen touching should [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► be able to crush any Mouse person [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► because you don't have to move the mouse [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► over those you're literally your finger [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► when you see the thing you clean it so [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► picking time put pops up images of [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► fruits and vegetables on the screen and [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► the game is who can tap on them the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► fastest so you can either play [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► single-player and it just times you or [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► multiple player on the same thing and I [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► think you both have to try tap them [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► thing as fast as you can so it's [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► basically an image will appear on the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► screen [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► hope there's a fruit and tap on it as [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► fast as you can with your finger and [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► they appear in different spots at [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► different sizes and there are decoy ones [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► and all sorts of the things you would [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► expect that would actually be a good [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► test application if only it existed on [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► the Mac where you could do with a [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► trackpad do with the mouse and then [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► compare it to doing it on an iPad or an [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► iPhone with your finger I would have to [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► think that fingers would crush everybody [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► there because [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► in direction see the thing tap on it as [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► fast as you can and that apps already [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► written [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► well maybe me everybody go out and buy [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► picking time yeah I'm winning it up on [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► my phone right now I did not know about [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► that one it sounds it's fun kids like to [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► play it do and I don't I don't remember [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► what the shared mode is like I was a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► beta tester for way back when I think [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► there is a shared mode where two people [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► try to tap the screen at the same time [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► all those games make me think that kids [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► somewhere or adult somewhere kind of [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► breaking their iOS devices because [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► they're jamming their fingers some of [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the glass screen as hard as they can you [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► know while playing the game alright huh [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► a little more follow but I'll save it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► for next week we should move on to some [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► main topics what's on the docket for [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► today mister siracusa like I said I had [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► marked down it was on the top looking [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► forward to it all week until I started [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► going back through I said well what else [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► happened this week now I always feel [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► like I don't know why but when my show [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► is during the week I feel like the other [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► shows get to talk about the news of the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► week before I do and by the time I get [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► to it it's all played out like I never [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► really talked about patents on the show [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► because when all the patent stuff was [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► happening build and analyze and the talk [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► show both discuss patents and then by [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► the time it came time for me to record [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► like well they said everything already [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► so the HP I never talked about the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► Motorola Google thing the HP thing I [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► never talked about both were discussed [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► on build and analyzing the talk show I [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► want to talk about them a little bit but [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► before that there's something else that [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► popped up on my radar I could was [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► earlier today you know Robert X cringe [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► Lee Bob cringe Lee that's not actually [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► the real name but he's a fairly [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► well-known famous tech writer the [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► pseudonym Robert X cringe Lee has this [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► interesting history behind that you [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► should look it up on the Wikipedia page [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► to see how that's worked but the person [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► with ownership of that name now writes [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► lots of stuff about Apple and the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► technology world and stuff like that and [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► I read his stuff and in general he tends [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► towards crazy conspiracy theories and [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► sensationalism but I find that fun I [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► don't fault him for it if you read him [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► understanding who he is or where he's [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► coming from I'm [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► I'm game for some crazy conspiracy [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► theories every once in a while and I [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► think he's self-aware enough to realize [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► that's what he does sometimes just [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► because it's fun [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► so his article this week was entitled is [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► the Mac Pro dead which I think has been [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► talked about on previous shows but this [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► is fed by some new extremely vague [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► rumors so I think this is on Japanese [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► website that somebody Google translated [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► that ended up going to an American [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► rumors website and so on and so forth [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► describing some supposed upcoming new [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► Macs they're like nothing no max that [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► have existed before I don't these rumors [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► are so vague that they're ridiculous [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► basically idea is there will be a new [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► back and it will be different and [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► different meaning I guess it's not a Mac [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► Mini an iMac or Mac Pro or maybe it is [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► one of those things but the case looks [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► different god only knows this rumor is [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► so vague that's pointless to even [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► discuss it [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► so as cringe Lee says in his review I'm [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► going to quote a section here he was [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► talking about how that the Mac minis [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► were updated recently but the Mac pros [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► weren't and he says the Mac pros haven't [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► been updated since last summer and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► here's the quote new Mac models were [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► expected this month with the new minis [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► but for some reason the new Mac pros [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► failed to appear Apple said nothing [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► because well Apple never says anything [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► instead relying on dopes like me to [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► write non stories like this one which is [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► 100% true you know but hey we all want [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► to talk about all right the reason I [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► think this is interesting to discuss now [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► is I think whether or not this rumor has [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► any foundation in fact it could like [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► it's plausible [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► the reasoning makes some vague kind of [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► sense and not the kind of sense that [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► like the ex Mac makes where I talked [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► about that in past shows where everybody [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► wants the Mac that fulfills exactly [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► their needs [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► it doesn't include anything they don't [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► want to buy includes only things they do [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► want to buy and it's super cheap and [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► blah blah blah and Apple is not [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► interested in making that for geeks [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► anyway because they would rather have a [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► geek spend more for a Mac Pro if they [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► want the extra stuff I think it's worth [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► reviewing why it is that I like a Mac [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► Pro cuz I'm a Mac Pro guy I've always [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► had Mac pros Power Mac g5 s the Mac [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► towers I've always been that type of guy [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► and the reasons are pretty simple for me [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► personally it's one I want a good [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► graphics card so I can play games and [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► Apple has always put crappy or not as [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► good graphic cards and it's [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► laptops and even in the iMac they've [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► been getting much better over the years [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► the current best iMac graphics card is [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► actually not embarrassing but you can [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► still get higher-end graphics card for [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► the Mac Pro big full-length things with [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► their own fans on them sometimes they [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► take up two slots that big honkin gaming [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► Monster Cards you can only get in the [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► tower Macs and I like to play games [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► that's why I want that yeah I have a so [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► I bought the Mac Pro it's the latest one [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► that came out last summer and I think I [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► got it I think you know like I got it [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► just a couple weeks after it came out [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► and and you know I agree that now I was [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► always hesitant to buy the the Mac Pro [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► because it is it's big physically so it [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► takes up a lot of space and it can [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► generate some heat as well and but the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► advantage to me and I think maybe a lot [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► of people are maybe when they think [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► about the Mac Pro and what Apple is [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► going to do might be missing some use [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► cases for it because maybe they don't [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► use Mac Pro's attorny Mac Pro's but for [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► me it was all about expansion especially [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► you know hard drive so the there's four [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► bays in the Mac Pro and that's you know [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that's a big deal if you're dealing with [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► a lot of data something like you know [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► what Dan does with five by five with a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► lot of recording of video and audio or [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► you know I do Final Cut stuff and I'm [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► interested to see what what Apple does [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► but to me sometimes these rumors kind of [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► miss out on actual you know why people [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► use the devices yeah that was those my [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► second point is that in addition to the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► graphics card cheap internal storage [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► usually it's internal hard drive [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► mechanisms are so much cheaper than [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► buying an external drive is not even [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► funny as and it's getting worse [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► it's really hard I've recently been [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► trying to find an external hard drive [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► because I'm trying to find another [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► external hard drive to back up my wife's [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► laptop too and I did I asked on Twitter [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► you know does anyone have a good [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► external hard drive they can suggest and [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► the end result of about a week of [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► research was that I don't have any [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► better options than I previously had and [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► the problems with with external hard [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► drives are generally the big one is they [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► tend to have cruddy power supplies like [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► they have some sort of power brick or [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► sometimes they have it a small internal [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► power supply but the quality of those [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► components is really really low and [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► failures of these external hard drives [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► in the least of my family's experience [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► my extended family's experience it's [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► always [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► stupid power supply whether it's the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► internal circuitry that's the older [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► power supply or the external one they go [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► bad they're made but the lowest bidder [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► in some Asian country they are not high [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► quality products and having them break [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► and you know that can cause you just [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► know that your that your disc isn't [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► responding and you're terrified for your [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► data or maybe if the thing dived in the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► middle of doing a right you're actually [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► corrupting some part of the disc and [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► it's just it's such you know [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► Pennywise pound-foolish decision to go [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► with cheap power supplies but everybody [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► does because it's cut through a business [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► and the cases themselves tend to have [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► cheap construction because again every [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► penny counts so even if they look fancy [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► and they're made of aluminum or they try [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► to look like apples design it's not the [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► same as apples design if you compare any [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► of these cases even the super expensive [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► ones to an actual piece of Apple [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► hardware like a MacBook Air or even a [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► Mac Pro case or anything like that you [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► can see the difference in quality it's [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► thinner metal it's not as well machined [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► it's certainly not laser carved like the [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► little microscopic holes that they have [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► on the their laptops and stuff like that [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and the cheap cases the insides are [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► cheap too is just metal on metal that [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► that makes it so that when you bolt your [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► hard drive into there the vibration from [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► the hard drive transfers through the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► case one case I have which some people [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► actually recommended and I had bought it [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► was a other world computing thing and it [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► looks reasonably decent but when you [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► stick a hard drive in it and put it on a [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► flat surface the thing doesn't have any [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► feet or any rubber insulation anywhere [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► inside it so it vibrates and makes noise [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► and that noise transfers through the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► case to the surface you're on so then [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► kind of like buzzes or hums kind of like [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► when a cellphone is on a hard table and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► it starts doing the vibrate ring it does [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► that constantly and not as loud as that [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► but a similar type noise and if you what [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► I'm Louis looking for is to buy a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► separate enclosure because then I can [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► pick my hard drive because it's third [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► party cell external hard drives with the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► mechanism already in it but you don't [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► get to pick what kind of hard drive is [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► they just say you know one terabyte hard [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► drive and the geek in me wants to know [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► great which one terabyte all right I was [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► in there because you know you're [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► charging me $200 for an external one [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► terabyte hard drive but I can buy a one [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► terabyte hard drive mechanism for 90 [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► bucks and I can pick the exact mechanism [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► I want and be sure that it's well [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► reviewed it's the best one out there and [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► has good reliability a lot of stuff I [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► don't want your mystery meat hard drive [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► inside your crappy case attached to your [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► crappy power supply for triple the price [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► or double the price or whatever of [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► course the problem with enclosures is [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► that at this point an enclosure that's [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► not the very bottom of the barrel it's [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► starting to be the same price as the one [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► terabyte hard drive it's like 50 60 70 [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► bucks or more for the quote unquote [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► fancier cases for just the case just [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► with your cruddy power supply your your [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► hopefully nice oxford chipset for your [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► firewire or USB interface or ever you [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► have in there serial ata on the inside [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► no hard drive in it 80 bucks for [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► something that store zero bytes of data [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► and then you have to buy your $80 or $90 [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► or more hard drive and stick it in there [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► and that starts pushing up against the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► price of an external 1 terabyte hard [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► drive that you could buy for two hundred [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► and something or 179 or whatever it used [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► to be much more economical to buy the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► cases when hard drives cost more you'd [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► buy one case and the theory was every [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► time the bigger hard drive come out you [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► take the old hard drive mechanism and [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► put the new one in there but that hasn't [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► worked out for me that well in practice [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► because parallel ata gave way to serial [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► ata and now there are some things that [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► need serial ata to to be fast enough and [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► of course firewire is giving away the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► Thunderbolt and all this stuff so that [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► whole situation the external hard drive [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► situation is just a big mess and it's so [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► much nicer to have for internal slots [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► and not to deal with that and just go to [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► storage recom find what the best desktop [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► hard drive is with your power noise and [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► heat specs or whatever you're interested [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► in and performance numbers by exactly [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the mechanisms you want get the bare [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► mechanism from the cheapest place you [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► can find get it from new way get it from [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► Amazon get anywhere you want and just [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► slap it in there no cables though power [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► connectors no nothing just sticks right [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► in the macro and that's the way to go [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► yep and an Apple the weird thing is that [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► Apple sells third-party external hard [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► drives in its Apple stores or at least [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► did the last time I was in there which [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► seems weird to me because generally [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► Apple doesn't like to sell other [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► hardware things I think even the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► printers are gone now or the printers [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► gone from Apple stars I haven't I don't [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► remember the last time I was there I'm [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► actually going to the to the Apple store [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► this afternoon but I don't remember but [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► they definitely do still sell hard [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► drives in fact they've they've always [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► had the like a whole display unit with [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► with all these external hard drives yeah [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► well like for printers there used to be [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► way more printers I'm knowing an Apple [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► stores than that [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► are now so the same the external [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► hard-drives it's like well we have these [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► gorgeous computers and all this nice [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► hardware and yeah we have an accessory [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► I'll for cases and all sorts of other [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► little things but it's not like they're [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► you know it's kind of like they're they [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► want you to buy a nice beautiful MacBook [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► Air and then attach it to this ugly [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► third-party external hard drive for 200 [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► and something bucks it just seems weird [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► to me that they would have then it so [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► Apple doesn't make their own external [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► hard drives they used to way back in a [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► day but they don't make their own but [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► they feel like people need them enough [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► for a time machine and stuff like that [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that they sell them in their store they [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► do some time capsule which is all Apple [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► sleek and everything and you do your [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► backups to it and stuff like that so I [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► think Apple would prefer that you buy [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► that but if you really want to buy this [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► ugly box with this cruddy external power [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► supply that doesn't really match in and [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► the case in the heart or doesn't really [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► match any of our hardware and attach it [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► to your Mac then you know go nuts don't [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► bother us when it breaks because it's [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► not our product and we don't warranty it [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► so that's that's why I buy a Mac Pro [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► node there are many other reasons other [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► people buy Mac Pro's because they [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► actually fill all the card slots not [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► with fancy video cards but with other [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► kinds of cards raid cards or you know [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► fiber channel cards or God knows what [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► else people are putting is out there for [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► video production and stuff like that [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► multiple disease is another reason as [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► well yeah you can put you know three [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► video guards in there and each one [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► supports two displays you can have some [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► blind you know there are reasons to buy [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► a Mac Pro beyond the few that I happen [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► to get I'm a rarity I'm not I don't [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► think I'm the main consumer for a Mac [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► Pro but basically for any gamer who [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► wants to buy a Mac you know they're just [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► going to use it as a PC rather it's [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► going to boot into Windows if you want a [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► good video card you have to buy this big [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► hunking tower that maybe you only ever [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► fills hard drive slots or actually I [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► have the Mac Pro step two optical bays [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► obstacles are going the way of the dodo [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► but I have both my obstacle base ville [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► just because it was so cheap I said oh [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► no why not why not have two in there [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► maybe burn two optical discs at once or [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► have two disks in the drive or if games [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► that require that just to be in the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► drive back in the day but yeah those [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► optical drives are going away so that's [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► another reason that the Mac Pro doesn't [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► you know you could take out those two [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► optical drives and put two more hard [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► drives there are three more hard drives [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► there or you can make the case smaller [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► or whatever so this rumor about the Mac [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► Pro going away if you let's just assume [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► that there is some actual basis in fact [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► for this rumor which [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► is doubtful that that's true but if you [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► were to assume that there is some crews [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► behind you could say well maybe they're [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► just making the Mac Pro smaller because [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► if you ditch one or more the optical [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► drives and you and use maybe a little [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► bit lower power CPUs or fewer CPUs or [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► maybe just have a single slot model and [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► no more dual CPU model you could shrink [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that case substantially while still [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► allowing a video card and maybe two or [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► three you know it would be bigger it [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► would be manually upgradable like the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► Mac Pro be bigger than a Mac Mini but it [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► wouldn't have a built-in monitor like an [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► iMac and that's kind of encroaching on X [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► Mac territory but only encroaches the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► next Mac territory to make it cheaper [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► what if they kept the price is the same [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► or even made it more expensive and just [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► made the case smaller then it would [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► maybe they didn't call it a Mac Pro [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► anymore who knows what they would call [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► it or maybe they do call it a Mac Pro [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► all people are confused because the case [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► looks different I don't know take a [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► quick break and talk about our first [TS]

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00:30:57 ◼   ► for supporting hypercritical but the Mac [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► Pros have a lot of a lot of empty space [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► in them and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you know I'm assuming that's for proper [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► air flow so that these things can run [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► you know cool and quiet [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► well it's only empty if you don't put [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► stuff there like you know what this beds [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► there well not even the hard drives and [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► I don't have it open right now but I [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► mean I guess everything is is there's [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► room to collapse it down and and I don't [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► know how much room there is though if [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► you leave everything in there because [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► mine is pretty well stuffed I've got [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► dual CPUs I've got the four hard drives [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► I've got one card slot filled so if I [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► fill the other two card slots the card [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► Bay is pretty much filled okay there's [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► not much room in there around the place [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► for the CPU cooling used to be more [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► filled than it was when it was like g5s [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► because the g5s needed more cooling now [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► the heat sinks are more of a reasonable [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► size but they've mostly filled that spot [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► with making the fans a little bit bigger [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► you know I guess maybe you could shrink [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► it depth wise by several inches to [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► remove the air gap between the front fan [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► and before you hit the heatsink the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► optical drive seemed like a clear win [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► because they're they're filling their [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► spots up there and now but who needs the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► optical drives ditch those right or just [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► have one optical drive or have no [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► optical drives and sell an external or [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► something you could save a lot of space [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► there so I think people who pack their [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► Mac Pro's to the gills the amount of [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► cubic inches that could be reclaimed by [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► rearranging internal components is [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► significant enough to make the case [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► smaller but it's not like the just [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► there's nothing going on in there and [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► yeah but especially with the slots you [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► have to accommodate a full length PCI [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► Express card even if you're never going [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► to put a full length one in there just [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► accommodating half length would kind of [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► negate the purpose of the Mac Pro right [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► now all right so the Mac Pro the design [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► is old right I think I think cringe Lee [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► makes this this this argument as well is [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that I think he says it's eight years [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► old is I think it sounds about right [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► right the external design even that's [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► not strictly true because the external [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► design they've changed where the holes [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► are for all the ports but the cheese [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► grater the cheese grater design though [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► is yeah yeah the overall shape of the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► case has been the same like if you were [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► to look for in profile I think it's been [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► identical but they have changed the [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► where the ports are on which ports are [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► in the front and where the ports are on [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► the back and where the grills are on the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► back several times and the insides have [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► changed frequently and I think that gets [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► neglected because people think all [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► they haven't changed the case because it [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► looks the same from the outside [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► well change in the inside is just as [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► difficult if not more difficult than [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► changing the outside I guess if the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► outside you have to do some sort of [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► artistic design but the inside is [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► everytime they get new components or [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► rearrange how the RAM connects on the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► motherboard whether it's on a daughter [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► card or directly on the motherboard I [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► like that redesigning that inside [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► they've done that several times over and [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► then might as well be entirely different [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► computers if you compare a Power Mac g5 [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► which is in the same quote/unquote same [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► case to the insides of a current Mac Pro [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► the insides have no parts in common and [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► don't match up almost in any possible [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► way except that I guess the optical [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► drives are near the top front and the [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► CPUs are in the bottom they move the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► power supply they move the hard drives [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► around since the Mac Pro they just [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► everything has moved inside there so [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► it's not like they're saving tons of [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► money I guess they're saving money on [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► the machining for the external case but [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► they're not like saving tons of money on [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► engineering effort because rearranging [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that inside is a pain in the butt right [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► maybe it's their time maybe it's time [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► it's been so long maybe it's time just [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► for a different a different case yeah [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► well the reason you change the outside [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► is well if you're going to change it in [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► terms of you know ditching the opticals [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► and all the kind of a MacBook arif [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► occation of the Mac Pro where when they [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► went with the MacBook Air which everyone [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► just assumes which I believe to when the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► next 15-inch comes along at some point [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► in the future the 15-inch will look like [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► the air they're going to ditch the [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► optical drive all of them will look like [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► airs get rid of stuff that's in there [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► that you don't need anymore in a laptop [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► it was mostly the optical drive and [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► change the shape of the case to [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► accommodate that so an application of [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► that philosophy to the Mac Pro seems [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► overdue if only because the rest of the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► line is going through that change like [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the Mac Mini went through it it got rid [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► of its optical drive and change its [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► shape the laptops are going through that [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► thing and and for fashion just because [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► now the Mac Pro doesn't get the fashion [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► treatment even though iMac to--some much [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► these days like the new IMAX I think the [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► last change it is when the screen when [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► edge-to-edge the glass of the screen [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► goes all the way to the edge of the [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► machine and the old ones it didn't go [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► over to the edge but mostly they look [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► the same but but yeah eventually you [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► would think they have to change the [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► outside if only to keep the thing [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► looking fresh every decade or so so so I [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► think there's something behind that but [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► the article goes on to get to the meat [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► the matter which is his crazy theory [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► that they're going to ditch the back Pro [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► and replace it with a bunch of Mac minis [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► that you could stack and they would [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► somehow connect together to become more [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► powerful with like Voltron I don't know [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► I'm not I'm not going to discuss this [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► particular that doesn't seem like the [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► Apple way yeah that's that's pipe dreamy [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► but he does eventually come to a [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► somewhat valid point your point that's [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► not the Apple way is that Apple Apple [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► doesn't like cables and external boxes [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► which again makes me think it's weird [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► they sell third-party external hard [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► drives and they want you to connect them [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► to their beautiful laptops but anyway [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► they don't want a bunch of boxes [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► connected with cables they want it all [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► in one thing with the few cables as [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► possible coming out of it so the idea [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► that Apple would say ditch this Mac Pro [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► replace it with a bunch of these boxes [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► that you connect together doesn't seem [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► that reasonable now Thunderbolt comes in [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► here because Thunderbolt is basically [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► PCI Express over a wire outside your box [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► so you could in theory have for example [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► an external video card I think someone [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► is actually manufacturing one of these I [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► couldn't find the link but I think there [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► someone has announced that they are [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► making an external video card where it's [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► you know it's like a video card they get [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► from ATR and video or something stick it [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► in a box give it some kind of power [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► supply and have a Thunderbolt connector [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► hanging out of it and connect that [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► Thunderbolt connected to any Mac with a [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► Thunderbolt port and with some software [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► drivers have the Mac use that video card [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► as if it's it's video card because the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► video cards are currently connected to [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► Macs in a PCI Express slot and [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► Thunderbolt is like external PCI Express [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► so as far as the Mac is concerned this [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► video card looks like it's connected to [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► a PCI Express slot or that's the that's [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► the theory of the entire thing there [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► that that has the bandwidth that has the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► latency it is basically PCI Express you [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► can have a video card outside your box [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► so hey if you get your iMac and you [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► can't play the latest game because the [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► video card is a little bit too wimpy by [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► big hunking terror box 2000 with fans in [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► it and the power supply that has a big [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► scary video card to connect it with your [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► Thunderbolt port and now you are able to [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► gain better and you can upgrade that box [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► again I think this is not likely at all [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► maybe from the third party third party [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► will make it but Apple and apples never [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► going to sell you a video card in a box [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► that seems very very unlikely to me that [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► they want you to hang this thing off the [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► back of your computer even with a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► Thunderbolt cable seems very unlikely I [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► could finally I can't wait to see that [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► demo at WWDC [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's not I don't even know how [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► they'd photograph out there you ever [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► noticed by the way when Apple does [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► photograph its max if a cable appears [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► and it's Mac photograph it is like the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► the the Platonic ideal of a cable it [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► perfectly arcs from the device that is [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► connected to sort of either disappearing [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► behind the other device or you know [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► there's never any pretense the cable [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► actually connects from the to a port [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► somewhere on the computer and their [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► cables are it's almost like they're [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► they're drawn in after the fact because [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► when you get an actual cable they're [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► wrapped up in the box and a little [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► bundle and their SWAT type of the twisty [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► tie when you UNCHR impe them they have [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► all the kinks in them you know and those [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► kinks never quite go out unless you [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► stretch them an actual cable does not [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► look like what Apple photographs really [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► Apple doesn't want there to be cables [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► which is why they have always Bluetooth [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► accessories now and they don't have [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► wires on their mice and all the stuff so [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► yeah I can't imagine them trying to have [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► an external box but finally at the end [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► of this article cringe Lee gets closer [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► to what I think is reasonable he [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► discusses not putting the video card [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► inside an external box but sticking it [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► inside the display which it means six of [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► one half dozen the other right well it's [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► an external box and it's connected baha [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► but the monitor was already connected [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► with a Thunderbolt port mini DisplayPort [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► same connector type thing and Apple has [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► already shown a willingness to show [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► computing stuff inside of the display [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► the new 30-inch displays have Ethernet [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► ports firewire ports what else is on [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► there USB and all that stuff and you [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► connect the Thunderbolt cable from your [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► new fancy Thunderbolt equipped a Mac [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► laptop to the monitor and now your Mac [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► laptop thinks it has an Ethernet port it [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► has a firewire board it has all the [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► ports that it didn't have before so you [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► can act your macbook air to your 30 inch [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► display suddenly your MacBook Air [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► becomes a much more full-featured [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► desktop / laptop hybrid computer and the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► circuitry inside the monitor to do that [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► so putting a video card inside that [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► monitor is still I think kind of on [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► Apple like mostly because Apple doesn't [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► really care about gamers and doesn't [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► care about video cards period but it's [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► more within the realm of possibility [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► because it's not another box it's just [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► the monitor that you already have an [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► apple and you don't need another cable [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► because monitor is you're already [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► connected with a Thunderbolt cable or I [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► mean you know it's the same thing as the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► mini DisplayPort cable so there's [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► an additional cable there and Apple has [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► shown that they are willing to enhance [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► the power of their laptops by sticking [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► electronics inside their monitor and it [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► lets Apple raise the prices of their [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► monitors blah blah blah of course the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► downside any geek will say well great if [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► I do that but now i monetize it lost my [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► video card and Apple doesn't care about [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► that the same thing with the iMac well [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► one my monitor does I lost my whole [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► computer if I buy not back yes that is [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► 100% true it's also true of laptops you [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► could get it repaired to great expense [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► but really realistically if the monitor [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► dies on your iMac after a few years [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► you're just going to get a new computer [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► Apple doesn't really care about bundling [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► together those two devices you just have [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► to deal with it so I I think it's not [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► it's less likely you know it's less than [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► 50 percent likely that this could ever [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► happen but it's still within the realm [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► of possibility that Apple could one day [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► decide to put a video especially for [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► laptops they could put you know only [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► Intel integrated graphics inside their [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► laptops like in a year or two years or [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► two generations from now when Intel's [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► integrated GPUs are not as [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► embarrassingly horrible as they are [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► today and they have been getting better [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► but you know they're already doing that [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► now they're going with the Intel [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► graphics on there I think on the air is [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► only have Intel graphics and it's [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► actually kind of stepped down because [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► the Intel graphics are not quite up to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► the level that the dedicated GPUs used [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► to be but it's clear that Apple wants to [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► only use integrated GPUs for the power [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► savings and all those other reasons [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► battery life and stuff like that but it [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► would be kind of neat if you could sell [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► an even more expensive monitor with a [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► more powerful video card in there and [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► say now when you hook up your MacBook [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Air to this there are new 30-inch [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► display it becomes a reasonable gaming [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► rig where you can actually play games [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► that you could never play on your air by [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► itself because of its cruddy integrated [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► graphics but you can play when you hook [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► it up to a monitor and really that's how [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► you want to play it anyway be set as a [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► big screen and blah blah blah [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► now if Apple does do this I don't see it [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► coming out anytime soon because Apple [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► still hasn't even shipped its 30 inch [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► displays and I know this because I [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► actually have one in order those aren't [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► even shipping mine is supposed to come [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► on September 20 so if this GPU and the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► monitor thing ever does come to pass [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► cringes theory is that it would happen [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► about the same time as as Apple produces [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► a retina a quote-unquote retina display [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► for the desktop or a double resolution [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► type of display and that doesn't seem [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► like it's going to happen until the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► operating systems has support for it and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► that's not going to happen until maybe [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► ten point eight or something like that [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► because the double resolution stuff [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► exists in line but it's a developer only [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► feature you need developer tools turn on [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► it's not an end-user feature and half [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► the apps break when you do it and so on [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► and so forth so I like this I like this [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► story there's something for everybody it [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► has big rumors of the Mac Pro going away [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► which scares enterprise people [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► it's got crazy theories about clicking [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► together a bunch of Mac minis and it's [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► got a somewhat plausible idea of having [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► a GPU inside a monitor so I put the link [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► in the show notes I recommend people [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► take a look at it and I'll I'm ready for [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► something to happen to the Mac Pro even [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► as a Mac Pro buyer I'm ready to be [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► shaken up a little bit to change the Mac [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► Pro do do your worst how you know I've [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► my computer is about three years old now [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► something like that I'll probably buy a [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► new Mac next year the year after that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the latest I'm willing to entertain [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► options other than the existing ones [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► let's take a minute and talk about our [TS]

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00:44:13 ◼   ► hypercritical yeah I would if they came [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► out with a smaller version of the Mac [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► Pro I would certainly I mean I'm only a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► year into this one so it's still a bit [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► early for me but [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► I mean sighs it's that's really the big [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► disadvantage for me is is the size and [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► weight of this thing so if they do [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► something a little bit smaller [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► I'm always looking to to minimize the [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► amount of crap that I have in the office [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► here yeah I'm and I'm ready to do like [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► the optical drives and stuff like that [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► um although I I think I've used my [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► optical drive my Mac Pro like once in a [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► year so I've used it much less than then [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► I have you know that my usage has been [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► on the decline rapidly I would probably [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► buy an external one just have one around [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► for the few times that I need it but [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► eventually I'm assuming the computer [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► after that I wouldn't need that anymore [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► either so in the remaining time I [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► actually do want to talk about the HP [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► stuff I know it has been talked about to [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► death on other shows but I want to have [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► my say what's your take what's your take [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► on all this it's kind of kind of good [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that you waited though because you know [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► it's more things have kind of cropped up [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► so so you get to take a shot at the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► whole thing instead of instead you know [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► what's he talking about it as it [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► develops right exactly well so I agree [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► with very much everything that Marco and [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► then John said on their shows so I won't [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► cover that thing I didn't get to listen [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► to horse show I'm a little bit behind on [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► my thing but I assume that I agree with [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► what he says - he's a smart guy but [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► there's one point that I didn't hear at [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► least on Marco and John show that I want [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► to talk about and that's how so how the [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► HP thing feels if you're Microsoft all [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► right I think maybe a few people talk [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► about this a little bit but we're [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► talking about what this means for the [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► mobile market what Emile's for Apple and [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► Google how HP is mishandled they're [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► they're the cancelling of webOS and all [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► that business and the future of that [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► operating system or lack thereof but if [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► you're Microsoft [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► your main business at this point is [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► still windows in office right and your [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► model that the thing that has made [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► Microsoft successful has amazingly [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► successful as it was in the 90s is that [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► they sell the software that runs the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► world's PCs and they let the PC maker as [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► the hardware makers kill each other in [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► Ruth [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► this competition too on the hardware [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► right there so that commoditizing your [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► compliments thing where Microsoft [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► software is useless without hardware to [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► run on but they don't want to be [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► bothered with dealing with that nasty [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► physical low-margin world of creating [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► hardware so they let tons and tons of [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► computer hardware manufacturers compete [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► against each other in every possible way [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► in every possible country every any [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► means necessary to sell the most pcs and [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► what it's resulted in is sort of a race [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► to the bottom in terms of margins where [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► HP as Gruber pointed out was that the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► had the largest market share in the PC [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► market they were selling more pcs than [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► anybody but they were making so little [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► money off each one as like you know [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► we'll make it up in volume well they had [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► the volume they were the number one PC [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► seller and they've decided that that [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► business is not worth being it the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► margins are so low that this you know [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► that's not growing like it used to be [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► Mobile's Cooley where it's supposed to [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► be a little bit getting into that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► business tube that's all different story [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► but that it's not worthwhile being the [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► world's biggest PC vendor and think of [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► think about what that means like in the [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► 90s you had so many different vendors [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► competing as each other and they slowly [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► consolidated Dell can sort of came out [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► of nowhere with an even better business [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► model to undercut everyone else's prices [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► with direct sales and no retail channel [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► and all those stuff and build to order [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► and selling to businesses and compact [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► couldn't make a run of it independently [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► and they got merged into HP and I don't [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► remember who picked up Gateway maybe [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► Acer picked them up [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► consolidation happen as these vendors [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► couldn't make a go of it anymore because [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► their margins were so low or someone [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► else had slightly lower margins and they [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► couldn't compete with them and their [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► sales went down and they merged emerged [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► in emerging emerge until we basically [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► had at this point maybe three or four PC [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► vendors you get HP Dell Acer Lenovo who [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► am I forgetting who's an actual player [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► in the PC hardware market these days [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► maybe Sony I don't like Sony's hell's [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► too few no but HP was the big dog and so [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► I looked up numbers for what they did [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► 2010 for the entire year of 2010 HP sold [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► 64 million computers Dell was 43 million [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► Acer was 41 million right and HP has [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► said it's not worth it for us to be in [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► so sorry guys were out so my first [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► question is who gets those 64 million [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► sales in 2011 right the PC business is [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► not growing like the mobile business but [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► it's not I don't think it's shrinking [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► yet maybe it's flat or maybe as tiny [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► increase or whatever but who gets those [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► 64 million because HP is like ah we're [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► not interested it's just not worth it us [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► we we don't make enough money off that [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► or we don't think the future of the [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► business we want out is that 64 million [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► computers get evenly distributed among [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► Dell and Acer and Lenovo and friends [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► where does that go and the second line [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► getting back to Microsoft is Microsoft's [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► whole strategy was to make other people [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► deal with the crappy low margin business [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► but now those chickens seem like you're [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► coming home to roost where they're the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► other people like you know what [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► Microsoft we did this for so long you [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► made massive margins because you just [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► sell software and you can duplicate that [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► basically for free it and we're not not [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► interested in being getting carrying [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► water for you anymore we don't we know [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► it's not worth it for us to be in this [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► business selling these crappy boxes at [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► low margins because they're all crappy [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► because to compete in this business and [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► survive you have to you know get the [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► lowest bidders and the crappiest parts [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► that customers can possibly stand and [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► push them out the door right and the it [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► because you can't differentiate based on [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► hardware and you can't differentiate [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► based on a hardware software experience [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► because Microsoft has become even more [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► strict with don't crap up our computers [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► with a bunch of custom interfaces you're [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► supposed to just run Windows 7 sort of [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► the way it is don't make a custom I mean [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► Compaq and also the company used to have [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► their own custom interfaces when you [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► boot the computer would say Compaq and [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► it would show all this weird crap they [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► were trying to differentiate themselves [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► trying to earn that money but they were [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► so bad at it that it just pissed [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► customers often people just wanted to [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► clean windows install so the question [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► for Microsoft is eventually will there [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► be nobody left who wants to be the [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► flagship who wants to provide the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► hardware for your software now that's [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► hyperbolic because disk obviously [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► they're selling Dell and Acer selling 80 [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► million computers a year between them [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and those HP computers are going to go [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► somewhere so it's not like the PC [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► markets can disappear but but Microsoft [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► wants is kind of like what Intel want [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► they want a partner who will show off [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► what they do so Microsoft makes they're [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► gonna make Windows 8 or whatever they're [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► going to want hardware partners who [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► because it make them look good because [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► Microsoft software is useless in in [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► isolation [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► just like the the the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► Bender's hardware's uses in isolation [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► the product comes from the mixing of [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► those two things and the business model [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► of having those things separated has [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► been great for Microsoft and was [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► arguably great consumers when pcs were [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► competing with each other but now that [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the hardware side is so massively [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► consolidated and so crappy and has raced [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► to the bottom and is at the bottom and [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► the number one seller Rafi sees doesn't [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► want to be in that business anymore who [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► is not going to go to to show off [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► Windows 8 are they gonna show off on a [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► Dell on an Acer they going to find a [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► boutique maker like Sony to show off [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► their thing but you know that integrated [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► experience that Apple has where they can [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► make the hardware and software is one [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► sleek awesome product you know here's [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► the new MacBook Air shipping with lion [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► it shows everything all together and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► look how it makes sense to go fullscreen [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► on our little 11 inch air with [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► Thunderbolts and connected to the [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► monitor with a Thunderbolt cable and you [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► know the software all just works [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► together and it's awesome [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► where is that going to be for Microsoft [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► and Microsoft is desperate for good [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► hardware partners they were desperate [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► for good hardware partners for their for [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► the music players you know the plays for [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► sure thing and they basically decided [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► you guys stink you're not making us look [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► you're not selling well against the iPod [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► we're going to make our own Zune thing [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► and by all accounts the Zune is a much [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► better product than any of the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► pre-existing place for sure things where [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► they had other people making the music [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► player hardware and they made the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► software and they combined them the Zune [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► where Microsoft made the hardware and [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► the software was a much better product [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► still didn't make a dent in the iPod it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► was too late [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► but it shows that Microsoft can decide [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► that it's hardware partners are not are [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► more trouble than they're worth it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► they're not they're not helping [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► Microsoft's efforts so Microsoft got [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► this got Windows 8 and they want to ship [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► it on the tablet right and but it's also [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► supposed to be real Windows and Windows [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► 8 is going to ship on my desktop too so [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► I'm sure Microsoft is looking for [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► someone to be a tablet partner and maybe [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► they'll find someone to be a good tablet [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► partner for them but for the PC this [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► Microsoft just say we are resigned to [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► the fact that from now on our awesome [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► new Windows 8 Windows 9 Windows 8 [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► Brazilian operating system we're not [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► when we can't show it off because the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► only thing we could put it on is the [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► computer that everybody has which is [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► some crappy Dell or Acer thing assembled [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► of parts made by the lowest bidder it's [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► just ugly low quality not differentiated [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► they're just not gonna you know is that [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► not going to be a factor anymore though [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► yeah and we have Windows on dust [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► opps and it's not important but you know [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► it is what it is go to your store go to [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► your best buy and buy whatever crap they [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► have they're like maybe that ship has [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► already sailed but it just seems [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► depressing from me from Microsoft's [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► perspective to see the other half of [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► your business no longer being viable [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► right they have the salad years where [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► they were reaping all the profit and the [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► other guys we're also making money [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► because of the grow huge growth of the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► PC industry but they just had lower [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► margins and now it's kind of flattening [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► out and everyone else is a bending ship [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► on the other side so I have to think [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► from Microsoft's perspective this HP [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► exit independent of all of the webOS [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► mobile business or whatever has to be [TS]