Hypercritical

27: Nakedly Optimistic

 

  [Music] [TS]

  this is hypercritical a weekly talkshow [TS]

  ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

  the world of Apple related technologies [TS]

  and businesses nothing is so perfect [TS]

  that it can't be complained about [TS]

  especially not lying shows hosted by [TS]

  John siracusa and I'm dan Benjamin [TS]

  this is episode number 27 we'd like to [TS]

  say thanks to the Omni group and for [TS]

  harvest and of course Stack Overflow for [TS]

  making this show possible tell you more [TS]

  about them as the show goes on I'd also [TS]

  like to mention that bandwidth has been [TS]

  provided by Midas green technologies [TS]

  Virtual Private servers submerged in oil [TS]

  seriously check them out and Midas green [TS]

  tech comm so you know this was a big [TS]

  week for Apple not because of their [TS]

  announcements but because of your your [TS]

  lion review which was based on their [TS]

  announcement right but I mean this the [TS]

  big news this week was that your review [TS]

  came out for me this was the big news [TS]

  sure is big news for me too [TS]

  and I just I would like to just stop for [TS]

  a second and take a minute to say not [TS]

  just for me but on behalf of all my [TS]

  fellow geeks out there congratulations [TS]

  on that the release of this it's an [TS]

  excellent excellent write-up excellent [TS]

  piece of work you should be incredibly [TS]

  proud of yourself your best one yet best [TS]

  one yet best thing you've ever written [TS]

  nice of you to say that I'm not kidding [TS]

  best thing you've ever done [TS]

  if you never writes anything else again [TS]

  you'll be able to hang your hat on this [TS]

  for your career this is great read the [TS]

  whole thing cover to cover all 85 pages [TS]

  didn't actually print the did you I [TS]

  printed it and I put every page up on a [TS]

  wall of the house so that I could just [TS]

  sort of almost like an art gallery each [TS]

  page a perfect piece of artwork and just [TS]

  move from one to the next just sort of [TS]

  studying it so did you put push pins in [TS]

  them and connect them with college [TS]

  string [TS]

  I had to resist and the medication is [TS]

  helping with that but it came close and [TS]

  it wouldn't have been string it would [TS]

  have been multicolored yarn you're right [TS]

  I think you're right but it was that [TS]

  that was the idea was going from no I [TS]

  didn't actually it was a little bit a [TS]

  little bit of a [TS]

  of a story when I started reading it I [TS]

  started reading it on the web and then I [TS]

  thought well you know I want to be a [TS]

  little bit more mobile than this and I [TS]

  thought well you know I could use one of [TS]

  those readability read later Instapaper [TS]

  type things to do it I said but instead [TS]

  let's let's see how this thing looks you [TS]

  know through like an e-book format so I [TS]

  hopefully you get credit because I used [TS]

  your affiliate link to buy the Kindle [TS]

  version of it so hopefully you'll get [TS]

  that and hopefully you get some cut of [TS]

  the sales because you know you should [TS]

  but anyway there that aside it was great [TS]

  I read it I read it on my iPad starting [TS]

  about a third of the way through I read [TS]

  that the last you know two thirds of it [TS]

  on the iPad a great experience [TS]

  you know I said on the past shows that [TS]

  the way I thought was best to read it [TS]

  was on the web and I still believe that [TS]

  having seen like I bought my own Kindle [TS]

  version of the book - and I've seen the [TS]

  eBook version that you get if you're an [TS]

  ARS premier subscriber which is very [TS]

  similar and they're not they're not as [TS]

  good as the web version web version has [TS]

  more stuff Kindle is awful with [TS]

  transparent paintings like the Kindle [TS]

  reader apps are they don't know how to [TS]

  display transparent pink so all of these [TS]

  screenshots that you take with command [TS]

  shift 4 and then spacebar to get the [TS]

  image and the shadow behind it yeah the [TS]

  transparent shadows get screwed up by [TS]

  the Kindle app stuff like that just as [TS]

  you can imagine drives me up a wall well [TS]

  let me actually do I still say the best [TS]

  way to read it is on the web whether for [TS]

  free just go to the website and read it [TS]

  or pay for the RS premier or [TS]

  subscription and you get no ads and all [TS]

  this other stuff that you get but also [TS]

  you can view it all in one page if [TS]

  that's what you want I actually like it [TS]

  split up on several pages when I read [TS]

  long long things at the our site so I [TS]

  can keep track of where I am let me just [TS]

  ask you a question about that because [TS]

  you mentioned the screenshots all of the [TS]

  screenshots that you took which were [TS]

  which were great I was actually to be [TS]

  honest the way you were talking about [TS]

  having to redo all of them every time [TS]

  Apple changed something I was expecting [TS]

  more of them and I was pleased that [TS]

  there that there weren't more of them I [TS]

  thought it was just right just the right [TS]

  amount but how come you take the [TS]

  screenshots with the the drop shadows [TS]

  behind them is that because you know I [TS]

  mean of if [TS]

  if anybody knows you can do it another [TS]

  way you know certainly that you can [TS]

  disable the drop shadows why why keep [TS]

  them just because that transparency [TS]

  aliasing type issue if you know that [TS]

  that might not translate well to a [TS]

  printed thing or to a different format [TS]

  why why keep the drop shadows well first [TS]

  of all I didn't know going in that the [TS]

  kindle can't handle transparent images [TS]

  it seems like you know it's 2011 it's [TS]

  not like transparency and images to [TS]

  something new so how do I know not going [TS]

  in I don't know maybe I would have made [TS]

  different choices for the Kindle version [TS]

  or tried to make duplicates for the [TS]

  Kindle or something right but for for [TS]

  Mac OS 10 screenshots for a long time I [TS]

  was doing them without the drop shall [TS]

  use absolve are and stuff like that but [TS]

  Mac OS 10 windows have never really had [TS]

  edges like if you if you zoom in on them [TS]

  with a you know the pixie or whatever [TS]

  other screen zoom tool you want to do is [TS]

  they don't actually have edges they have [TS]

  the content ends right and then there's [TS]

  a one pixel thing that's kind of [TS]

  transparent and you don't realize that's [TS]

  not the edge when you're looking at it [TS]

  looks like the edge like it you know [TS]

  from a distance it appears as a crisp [TS]

  edge there but the transparency shows up [TS]

  if you trim everything out but still [TS]

  include that one pixel line you realize [TS]

  huh that one pixel line is picking up [TS]

  the background so if you have some [TS]

  dramatic background like one of those [TS]

  nature images or something that comes [TS]

  with Mac OS 10 and you chop everything [TS]

  out you're like why the hell does the [TS]

  border look all orange over here and [TS]

  blue over there then you don't realize [TS]

  it's not right and your other choices [TS]

  all right so fine chop off that border [TS]

  but then it looks like you you don't how [TS]

  to use an image editor that you poorly [TS]

  you know cut the thing especially if the [TS]

  background of the webpage it's being [TS]

  displayed on is a similar college the [TS]

  content area they seem to blend together [TS]

  the window has no edge and finally [TS]

  there's the rounded corners which on in [TS]

  line are actually top and bottom on a [TS]

  lot of windows the rounded corners you [TS]

  have to deal with something there you [TS]

  can't have an image that set shape so [TS]

  you do have to have transparency in the [TS]

  corners and then you this the even worse [TS]

  problem because you've got a one pixel [TS]

  transparent fade on the corners that's [TS]

  fading into the background and forget [TS]

  about trying to trim that off by hand or [TS]

  do anything with it it's just a big mess [TS]

  drop shadow gets rid of all that it's [TS]

  already transparent you can trim the [TS]

  drop shadow only thing I didn't like in [TS]

  line is the drop shadow got way bigger [TS]

  so now I have to truncate the drop [TS]

  shadow on windows much more than I used [TS]

  to have to and you can see that cut off [TS]

  between like the smooth fade and then is [TS]

  like the sharp cut off before [TS]

  goes to the background of the webpages [TS]

  display it on so it's the lesser of many [TS]

  different evils and I believe me I've [TS]

  tried every possible approach and this [TS]

  is the one that drives me crazy the [TS]

  least let me just interrupt for a second [TS]

  John your train of thought and and say [TS]

  if you're listening to this and you have [TS]

  not yet read this line review at ARS [TS]

  technica written by John siracusa then [TS]

  shame on you stop listening now and go [TS]

  read it and I'll also I'll do like a [TS]

  half shame if you didn't in some way or [TS]

  another support John by by buying it in [TS]

  some fashion supporting ours and [TS]

  supporting John in some fashion shame on [TS]

  you I just want to be clear about that [TS]

  half shame for the second one alright so [TS]

  there's so much stuff to go through in [TS]

  this review I'm not quite sure where to [TS]

  begin but I figure I'll get my personal [TS]

  whining out of the way first and then [TS]

  I'll let you drive and just say like [TS]

  that you can pick out parts that you [TS]

  thought were interesting we can jump off [TS]

  from there well I have to I have to tell [TS]

  you I'm very nervous about this quiz you [TS]

  were maybe you were kidding but I've [TS]

  been very nervous about it like I don't [TS]

  get nervous doing these shows even [TS]

  though I realize we have you know very [TS]

  large audience I do shows every day so [TS]

  I've become accustomed to being you know [TS]

  live and recording live and having a [TS]

  large audience I've never been as [TS]

  nervous as I am today to prepared for [TS]

  this quiz because I know I'm gonna I [TS]

  know I'm going to fail it I know it's [TS]

  all it's all opinion-based don't worry [TS]

  okay alright so so first I'm going to [TS]

  talk about my experience of publishing [TS]

  this review which is a little inside [TS]

  baseball but it's one thing that I can [TS]

  offer that other people talking about [TS]

  the same review can't so I figured this [TS]

  is the place for it so I thought when I [TS]

  was doing this that I would be very [TS]

  relieved when it finally got published [TS]

  and I figured there would be the usual [TS]

  kind of scramble in the couple minutes [TS]

  after its published to you know fix [TS]

  typos and slang like that oh and all [TS]

  that was true but one thing a couple [TS]

  conditions conspired to make this much [TS]

  more difficult birth so to speak than my [TS]

  previous reviews the first as I've [TS]

  talked about before was that Apple gave [TS]

  the release date as just July and they [TS]

  didn't know when July would be ready so [TS]

  I tried to be ready in July [TS]

  first because that's the worst case [TS]

  scenario that they actually release on [TS]

  July 1st I have to be ready you know day [TS]

  off right I mean it I did wasn't ready [TS]

  on the first but I did get it finished [TS]

  on the third but I was in such a mad [TS]

  rush to get finished that I always felt [TS]

  that the latter sections of the review [TS]

  like sort of where I tailed off where I [TS]

  had to just hurry up and get this thing [TS]

  done were not up to snuff and not up to [TS]

  snuff in a particular way now if you [TS]

  look go back through the reviews that [TS]

  I've written it used to be that and this [TS]

  this is one of the things that gave me [TS]

  the reputation I had now used to be that [TS]

  the idea was from version X to version [TS]

  why I would tell you every single little [TS]

  miniscule thing to change and that used [TS]

  to actually be possible from like ten [TS]

  point zero to ten point one or ten point [TS]

  one to ten point two not that much [TS]

  changed right and I was so embroiled in [TS]

  Mac OS 10 then it so interested in every [TS]

  little detail like I said well they move [TS]

  this thing by pixel may change how [TS]

  that's worded move that around like that [TS]

  ah and that sort of that sort of ramped [TS]

  up as it went along it became harder [TS]

  from you do that in fact what I started [TS]

  to do was as other people start to [TS]

  notice Mac OS 10 they would do those NDA [TS]

  breaking things where for months at a [TS]

  time they'd be saying hey look we found [TS]

  this hey look we found that and I would [TS]

  comb the I've been collectibles all this [TS]

  together so when I published mine it [TS]

  would basically be a collection of [TS]

  things I discovered my own plus [TS]

  hopefully every other interesting thing [TS]

  that I could discover that anyone else [TS]

  discovered collected in one spot so if [TS]

  you want to know every possible thing [TS]

  that was changed you would know it now [TS]

  somewhere in the middle of Mac os10 [TS]

  sister II I started to drift from that [TS]

  for a couple of reasons first was that [TS]

  it interested me less you know that they [TS]

  move this pixel here or they change this [TS]

  checkbox or that you know this used to [TS]

  be option modifier but now it's shift [TS]

  and stuff like that I became less [TS]

  interested in the small things like that [TS]

  and I came more interested in the big [TS]

  things like you know the message of the [TS]

  OS where is this going what what does [TS]

  this change mean for the future of the [TS]

  users or the platform or anything like [TS]

  that and the second was they just [TS]

  started changing way too many things [TS]

  like it was just no way that a single [TS]

  person I could find all the things that [TS]

  had changed even if you're scouring the [TS]

  web and the final one I think is that I [TS]

  lost interested in I think readers did [TS]

  too and that you can't have 30,000 words [TS]

  just screen after screen showing the old [TS]

  version like this the new version was [TS]

  like that this modify change that modify [TS]

  change this button changed over the [TS]

  you know it it's just it's just not as [TS]

  interesting to readers I don't think I [TS]

  think if you if you saw pages upon pages [TS]

  of that I wouldn't be able to do what I [TS]

  normally try to do when all these [TS]

  reviews just have some sort of through a [TS]

  thread or a narrative structure to it if [TS]

  I'm just going through an annotating [TS]

  screenshots like I think this is what [TS]

  you were saying you were fearing when I [TS]

  when you said there's going to be a lot [TS]

  of screenshots you're gonna phrase just [TS]

  gonna be screen after screen it's know [TS]

  exactly things exactly and just like a [TS]

  few little cut like a few little [TS]

  comments underneath you see a lot on the [TS]

  web and it's definitely a place from [TS]

  that in fact the artist people decided a [TS]

  one point in the review I said if you're [TS]

  looking for a screenshot gallery that [TS]

  shows you every change screen this isn't [TS]

  it you can find other ones on the web [TS]

  and the arts guys when they're editing [TS]

  your review said you know why don't we [TS]

  do one of those so that we don't have to [TS]

  direct people to another website I said [TS]

  yeah you should do one because there's a [TS]

  place for that some people want that and [TS]

  I would like to give it to them so they [TS]

  did a line screenshot gallery and I link [TS]

  to it from my review to say this is what [TS]

  you're looking for this is this over [TS]

  here but my thing is over there but [TS]

  anyway getting back to the release date [TS]

  I wanted to do more of that type of [TS]

  stuff like I say that for the end like I [TS]

  have copious copious notes of all these [TS]

  little things that changed here and [TS]

  there and I wanted to add to have a [TS]

  couple weeks at the end to just do the [TS]

  grab bag section properly or flesh out [TS]

  the application change of section with [TS]

  all these little things that were in my [TS]

  notes but I just didn't get to it and [TS]

  once I shipped it it was just like on [TS]

  the third once I put it off into the [TS]

  editorial process it's like I can't you [TS]

  know I can't go back and keep changing [TS]

  this because that will not ever allow [TS]

  them as they're making ebook versions [TS]

  and they have to copy edit and they have [TS]

  to you know go through regular editing [TS]

  and like I can't keep going back say oh [TS]

  and by the way I just changed 2,000 [TS]

  words oh and here's a whole big new [TS]

  thing because we had to be ready to go [TS]

  any day we didn't know when it was going [TS]

  to come out right so I just didn't get [TS]

  that you know if it was if it was a hard [TS]

  date and that date was the actual data [TS]

  was released the 19th or whatever I [TS]

  don't remember anymore I would have [TS]

  worked right up to the limit where they [TS]

  would have X number of days for editing [TS]

  and stuff but as things stood it had to [TS]

  go in the third go through the process [TS]

  and then it kind of sat there and then [TS]

  it's like well can I go back in and add [TS]

  stuff now [TS]

  well that means anything I add has to be [TS]

  recopy edited has to be reincorporating [TS]

  to the e-book versions and the ebook [TS]

  versions even though Amazon was had a [TS]

  quick turnaround time we didn't know it [TS]

  was going to be quick so we [TS]

  - that ebook version was being worked on [TS]

  and had to be submitted and I just [TS]

  didn't touch it after it was in there on [TS]

  the third except for one or two minor [TS]

  things and then when it shipped III all [TS]

  I could think of was like all the all [TS]

  the ways that I had failed to live up to [TS]

  what I expected out of that part of the [TS]

  review now the other part of the review [TS]

  the part where I'm talking about what [TS]

  these changes mean for the OS and the [TS]

  direction the future I was very happy [TS]

  with that just wasn't happy with the [TS]

  with the amount of detail I wanted to [TS]

  cover you even down to things like you [TS]

  know these are not things that I was [TS]

  completely unaware of they're in my [TS]

  notes right I didn't even get time to go [TS]

  through all my notes and say what I [TS]

  wanted to do was go through I know it's [TS]

  line by line and said that I talked [TS]

  about that yes/no or decided not to that [TS]

  I talked about that yes/no or decided [TS]

  not to that just didn't have time that I [TS]

  was just so burnt out by the time it was [TS]

  done so that disappointed me and sure [TS]

  enough when it shipped first said that [TS]

  the reign of typos and stuff coming I [TS]

  was actually pretty good considering [TS]

  27,000 word there was maybe 20 instances [TS]

  of typos or a teacher knows nothing [TS]

  thank ya the copy editors at ours are [TS]

  actually really good and the stuff that [TS]

  they missed is you know it's [TS]

  understandable one or two double words I [TS]

  could say was that maybe should have [TS]

  been caught by copy editing but you know [TS]

  I don't even know those guys do what [TS]

  they do I wouldn't have caught any of [TS]

  them because I'm a horrible copy editor [TS]

  but the second thing that burned me is [TS]

  that even though as you discussed in [TS]

  previous shows even though the build [TS]

  number for the retail release of this [TS]

  thing is the same as the build number [TS]

  for the GM seed it's not the same thing [TS]

  and I felt a little bit better when I [TS]

  read the exact same what least one of [TS]

  the exact same mistakes in the macro [TS]

  review I had a section interview where I [TS]

  initially talked about how you know the [TS]

  doc indicator light strong application [TS]

  she's running yeah I talked about how [TS]

  those were not turned on by default and [TS]

  how the message Apple was sending with [TS]

  that well they weren't turned on by [TS]

  default and every single build including [TS]

  the GMC bill but in the retail release [TS]

  they're on so even though it's the same [TS]

  build they change things in the OS [TS]

  things like that things like what the [TS]

  default setting is when you do a new [TS]

  install it's not like it's a different [TS]

  build of the OS but when you install it [TS]

  you get a different experience and there [TS]

  are and that could you know that could [TS]

  have been very very much a last minute [TS]

  decision right like the night of [TS]

  that's what I was getting to when I was [TS]

  trying to say that like always wait for [TS]

  the retail release if you possibly can [TS]

  because even and this is a extreme case [TS]

  it is exactly the same build number so [TS]

  I'm sure the binaries in the libraries [TS]

  are all exactly the same as the GMC but [TS]

  it is not quote unquote the same OS [TS]

  because if you install the GMC at an [TS]

  empty hard drive and you install the [TS]

  retail release on an empty hard drive [TS]

  when you launch them one has dots under [TS]

  the dock running app someone doesn't [TS]

  stuff like that getting burned because [TS]

  we were viewing the GMC was tough and [TS]

  that was something new in this [TS]

  experience because in the past almost [TS]

  always they give you like this is the [TS]

  final GM you've got a week to test your [TS]

  applications with it it's going to show [TS]

  up in stores on this date and we would [TS]

  know it's the final jam like it would be [TS]

  a disk image it would be byte for byte [TS]

  identical to if you burned it to the [TS]

  disk image you buy in a store so that [TS]

  was a little bit tough and then finally [TS]

  because I was so fried near the end of [TS]

  this I made a whole bunch of just dumb [TS]

  mistakes and since this is hypocritical [TS]

  I should go through a few of them this [TS]

  is not going to be a comprehensive list [TS]

  but this is just kind of be an example [TS]

  of each kind of error maybe so the doc [TS]

  indicator lights already went through [TS]

  things where the retail build was [TS]

  different in terms of policy or defaults [TS]

  than than the GM seed what can you do [TS]

  about that right no one had the retail [TS]

  build until my review was already [TS]

  published right you know or close to it [TS]

  trying to figure out how the [TS]

  installation process works with the [TS]

  recovery partition and everything like [TS]

  that I got fooled by I mean I had a [TS]

  limited amount of nosing around I could [TS]

  do from the terminal to try to figure [TS]

  out what the heck is it actually booting [TS]

  from what does it look like and I got [TS]

  fooled by the fact that the thing that [TS]

  boots from looks very similar to the [TS]

  recovery partition but it doesn't [TS]

  actually reboot from the recovery [TS]

  partition when it goes to the Installer [TS]

  it does a separate boot image on the [TS]

  boot drive then creates the repair every [TS]

  partition oh is there all technical [TS]

  details no one cares about that kills me [TS]

  when I know that well you're going for a [TS]

  hundred percent accuracy that's right oh [TS]

  yeah I 100% and I can't talk about the [TS]

  preview show I didn't just assume that [TS]

  from the recovery job I said let me [TS]

  confirm this let me get into a terminal [TS]

  when I'm in that stage and install [TS]

  process see if I can poke around and [TS]

  look at what the heck of this is and [TS]

  where it's mounted and what the contents [TS]

  are and I just I just got fooled because [TS]

  it looks like something that was [TS]

  familiar to me I didn't realize it [TS]

  you know busy can't tell what what [TS]

  slashes and where it's coming from [TS]

  especially when it's booting off a disk [TS]

  image and it's it's difficult to [TS]

  understand all that stuff so I was [TS]

  annoyed by that Apple broke a bunch of [TS]

  my links to documentation which annoyed [TS]

  me the day line was released they [TS]

  rejiggered all their documentation now I [TS]

  never linked to the documentation that [TS]

  was under like the pre-release URLs [TS]

  because I know those aren't going to [TS]

  work for people I'm linking to things [TS]

  like techno this is one that you really [TS]

  can only tech node 1150 which talks [TS]

  about the HFS+ vol format which as you [TS]

  can imagine I linked to like six times [TS]

  various sections of it you know have [TS]

  anchors within because it's a very long [TS]

  document I linked to various sections of [TS]

  it to explain certain concepts if you [TS]

  didn't know what I was talking about [TS]

  they removed that from the web entirely [TS]

  so not only they moved the URL that I [TS]

  there is no URL for I found one guy who [TS]

  had copy pasted it years ago and I [TS]

  updated the web version to include links [TS]

  to that and I talked to some Apple [TS]

  people and they basically said we [TS]

  cleaned up our documentation if there's [TS]

  some documentation that used to be there [TS]

  it's not and you want it back file a bug [TS]

  which is just basically did you know [TS]

  it's like the you know the old saying [TS]

  what patches welcome translates to in [TS]

  the open source world right what does [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  fu mm-hmm patches welcome file a bug if [TS]

  you want it back they're serious I know [TS]

  but like it's not the type of turnaround [TS]

  time I expect I need something these [TS]

  links can go to now so I linked to this [TS]

  guy's copy and pasted thing [TS]

  what else did I get wrong some features [TS]

  that were that I said were new in line [TS]

  were not new in line they existed in [TS]

  Snow Leopard I just never seen them [TS]

  through a series of strange coincidence [TS]

  like one of them is the the the [TS]

  lockscreen allows you to switch to a [TS]

  different user well I I use fast user [TS]

  switching at home but I don't use screen [TS]

  locking because you know it's in my [TS]

  house and physically secure whatever and [TS]

  at work I use screen locking for [TS]

  security reasons but I don't use fast [TS]

  user switching does I'm the only person [TS]

  who's on the machine and this situation [TS]

  has been the same across multiple jobs [TS]

  and multiple Macs and all this conspired [TS]

  to make me never actually see the switch [TS]

  user button which apparently exists [TS]

  under certain circumstances on Snow [TS]

  Leopard if you have like the fast user [TS]

  switching menu item enabled and and you [TS]

  have multiple accounts and you have [TS]

  screen locking turned on was another one [TS]

  was another similar thing where it [TS]

  actually existed in Snow Leopard and I [TS]

  thought it was new and had to clarify [TS]

  which aspects of a renew the entire [TS]

  feature wasn't new but the appearance of [TS]

  it was what our stuff like that kills me [TS]

  and like so the first couple days the [TS]

  thing was up all doing is run around [TS]

  like a chicken with my head cut off [TS]

  trying to fix these things and every [TS]

  time I fix one I'm thinking that Kindle [TS]

  version is out there without these [TS]

  changes because Amazon system for [TS]

  updating Kindle e-books sucks you can [TS]

  upload a new version but then you ask [TS]

  Amazon okay if I if I give you a new [TS]

  version of this and you eventually you [TS]

  know vet it and put it up on the thing [TS]

  what happens to all the people who have [TS]

  already purchased and already downloaded [TS]

  this did they get the new version they [TS]

  say no they can request the new version [TS]

  from Amazon if they want some through [TS]

  some mechanism so they have to like you [TS]

  know and Amazon says will happily email [TS]

  all the people who purchased it and tell [TS]

  them hey if you want the new version [TS]

  please send us a request and here's the [TS]

  URL to go to like that's not 20 you know [TS]

  and you don't want to do that every day [TS]

  either I mean if you find one change [TS]

  either one that email going in 2008 so [TS]

  so there's necessarily days where in [TS]

  fact I think the Kindle version is [TS]

  actually finally updated now but there [TS]

  are many days where just you know tons [TS]

  and tons of changes the web version that [TS]

  were not in the Kindle version so then I [TS]

  had to endure repeated it's not I don't [TS]

  say endure like these people [TS]

  I'm glad every single one of these [TS]

  people sent me in a correction it's just [TS]

  tough when you know that the thing [TS]

  they're telling you to correct has been [TS]

  corrected on the web for a long time and [TS]

  you're just wait'll version yet now [TS]

  you're excited getting a sense of how [TS]

  like an iOS developer feels once they've [TS]

  submitted an app and it fixes all these [TS]

  bugs that are giving it the one star [TS]

  this app sucks reviews and they're just [TS]

  like waiting on Apple to do something [TS]

  that's exactly the same type of thing so [TS]

  that was not a pleasant experience so [TS]

  the launch was was rocky for me and how [TS]

  are you handling it was all right I [TS]

  could continue to wind it by that stuff [TS]

  but I think you get the gist of it [TS]

  that's so although everyone else was [TS]

  happy that this review came out and I [TS]

  was happy to it was difficult experience [TS]

  for me they usually are difficult but I [TS]

  always felt better knowing that I [TS]

  quickly responded to them ah the web [TS]

  version could be up-to-date and it would [TS]

  be good and I could just tell people oh [TS]

  I fix that reload right right now I [TS]

  can't say that anymore all these people [TS]

  are reading the Kindle version which I [TS]

  appreciate that [TS]

  than buying even though even though I [TS]

  said that's not the way I would want to [TS]

  read it that's that's me [TS]

  if people if other people want to read [TS]

  it on their Kindle or instapaper or in [TS]

  readability or however that they want to [TS]

  read it I'm happy to let them do that [TS]

  and ours I think is great by offering [TS]

  like every possible way you can imagine [TS]

  to read this you want to read in iBooks [TS]

  there's you know a way to do it so [TS]

  subscribe to ours download the ePub [TS]

  loaded into iBooks you want to read it [TS]

  on your Kindle we have a Kindle version [TS]

  or under you on the web you can have in [TS]

  the web your honor here on the web [TS]

  single page you can read it on the web [TS]

  single pages grabbed our well the only [TS]

  you know there was one there was one [TS]

  only missing chunk there was one way [TS]

  missing carved on a little pyramid no [TS]

  there's no audiobook version yeah and I [TS]

  all tried to get ours to do podcast for [TS]

  years I said hey you know I would do a [TS]

  podcast where everyone to get the [TS]

  podcast there is not into it there is [TS]

  not into audio well listen it's [TS]

  obviously because I offered to do an [TS]

  audiobook reading of it for free and [TS]

  donate all the proceeds to you yeah well [TS]

  that what can I thought you're not into [TS]

  it for whatever a little shame on them [TS]

  and but I'll tell you what if they ever [TS]

  want to do a podcast that they give us a [TS]

  call we'd love to do it we'll skip we'll [TS]

  get John set up with a real mic [TS]

  everything yeah they're just not into [TS]

  podcast period I don't I don't [TS]

  understand what the deal is but you know [TS]

  it's all tied up into their digital [TS]

  content strategy maybe they have some [TS]

  sort of audio plan maybe they're like [TS]

  Apple like they're building something [TS]

  huge and nobody's going to know about it [TS]

  until it's really really awesome and [TS]

  then they'll they'll strike big with it [TS]

  yeah it could be our first sponsor today [TS]

  is the Omni group makers of productivity [TS]

  applications exclusively for Mac OS 10 [TS]

  iPhone and iPad they're known for their [TS]

  awesome software gold standard customer [TS]

  support and palpable geekery well today [TS]

  I'd like to tell you about their [TS]

  brand-new release of Omni plan project [TS]

  management made more painless features [TS]

  things like enhanced collaboration smart [TS]

  scheduling which enables users to [TS]

  account for the variance in a schedule [TS]

  of an individual resource or the project [TS]

  as a whole this new version 2.0 supports [TS]

  fiscal years in addition to calendar [TS]

  years I mean all of the things that you [TS]

  want to do when you're managing a [TS]

  project this lets you do one of the [TS]

  coolest things is what they call [TS]

  enriched reefs or [TS]

  allocation this provides the ability to [TS]

  manage resource allocation for people [TS]

  and tools and it even features a task [TS]

  splitting tool that lets you divide the [TS]

  time of a task to fit around specific [TS]

  interruptions do they even have things [TS]

  like hammock tasks what is that I don't [TS]

  even know what that is but they have it [TS]

  you've got all kinds of filters [TS]

  baselines even improve printing options [TS]

  because you know the project management [TS]

  you need to print stuff it's just the [TS]

  way it is you print it and now this is [TS]

  completely optimized for the Mac [TS]

  experience you've got headers and [TS]

  footers that are more flexible these are [TS]

  things you could give to your client if [TS]

  you're working on a client project or [TS]

  you can hand these things out of [TS]

  meetings it actually is really pretty [TS]

  cool if you've got to manage a product [TS]

  and a project this is the absolute best [TS]

  way to do it omni plan [TS]

  so you just go to omni group comm you [TS]

  can find out about this and of course [TS]

  it's also available everywhere that you [TS]

  would want to install Mac software so go [TS]

  check them out so I'll start my my quiz [TS]

  for you this is sort of the broad level [TS]

  stuff this is one comment to the [TS]

  comments thread on the article that I [TS]

  like to read it's like a paragraph and I [TS]

  wanted to well maybe I shouldn't poison [TS]

  the waters by reading you this thing [TS]

  first I should just tell you if you if [TS]

  you rescue if you read the review what [TS]

  would you say if you had to summarize [TS]

  what Jon's are accuse the thought of [TS]

  lying what would you say ah like overall [TS]

  oh no not just like thumbs up thumbs [TS]

  down but just like a one sentence [TS]

  description you know I would say that [TS]

  that you feel [TS]

  gosh that's tough it really is tough [TS]

  because I really got I really got mixed [TS]

  a mixed vibe from you on the one hand I [TS]

  mean you certainly did find a lot of [TS]

  things to complain about but you also [TS]

  seem to feel it was almost like it [TS]

  generally I think of you as somebody [TS]

  who's either neutral or pessimistic and [TS]

  I feel like I wouldn't go so far say you [TS]

  were optimistic about some things but [TS]

  there is like I feel like there is just [TS]

  a little tiny glimmer of hope in this [TS]

  article that like maybe things will be [TS]

  okay [TS]

  I feel like overall you thought it was [TS]

  it was it showed promise it was a worthy [TS]

  worthy upgrade it's something that [TS]

  assuming your apps are compatible it's [TS]

  something you should do you actually you [TS]

  know I was surprised and something I [TS]

  wanted to talk to you about was that [TS]

  some of the recommendations that you [TS]

  made even even using things like file [TS]

  vault aka hold disk encryption things [TS]

  like that I have a list of things that [TS]

  wanted to ask you about but I can't do I [TS]

  don't know how could I do a $0.01 this I [TS]

  think you liked it and I think that you [TS]

  feel like it shows a lot of steps in the [TS]

  right direction and seems to acknowledge [TS]

  a lot of issues that that have been [TS]

  there in Mac OS 10 it shows that Apple [TS]

  is acknowledging them and at least [TS]

  taking steps in the right direction [TS]

  clearly there's some visual interface [TS]

  things that you know GUI things that you [TS]

  do not like but you know when you talk [TS]

  about the improvements or the potential [TS]

  for improvements to the file system you [TS]

  talked about you know memory management [TS]

  things like that these are these are [TS]

  beefs that you've had for a long time [TS]

  and they might not be addressed fully [TS]

  but it looks like apples laying the [TS]

  groundwork for some of them so I feel [TS]

  like you're cautiously optimistic does [TS]

  that sound fair see I thought you have a [TS]

  similar thing into the one that beginner [TS]

  I thought I was much more naked ly [TS]

  optimistic than most people who read it [TS]

  thank a man especially people who know [TS]

  you know if you listen to hypercritical [TS]

  you know I'm very critical things so let [TS]

  me let me read you this dude's or [TS]

  persons really wanna meet you dude it [TS]

  says I like the factual parts of the [TS]

  review so far but I stopped reading at [TS]

  page 7 you know these people who stop [TS]

  reading it's always some how many [TS]

  because because I read this on mostly on [TS]

  the Kindle I don't know what how many [TS]

  pages it was so what is page 7 is that [TS]

  that's like midway through maybe [TS]

  continue why big much of it is opinion [TS]

  and what I take from it 90 95 percent [TS]

  negative I'm sorry John I know you put a [TS]

  lot of time into this but so far this [TS]

  has come across to me with the attitude [TS]

  that you dislike change or something [TS]

  different it reminds me when people [TS]

  travel to other countries and complain [TS]

  about the way things are done [TS]

  differently and how it's wrong and how [TS]

  it's bad no I didn't get that at all I [TS]

  totally disagree with that person [TS]

  and say now it goes on - that's that's [TS]

  the meat of the thing like and when I [TS]

  see people who say ah bleu cheese a lot [TS]

  of complaining I'm like walking maybe [TS]

  this is somebody who's never read [TS]

  anything that I've written before and [TS]

  doesn't realize that you know of course [TS]

  it's gonna be complaints now you can do [TS]

  it and you doesn't mean I don't like [TS]

  something you know I'm gonna complain [TS]

  about everything right in fact the more [TS]

  I think something has the potential to [TS]

  be great or the more it is great in [TS]

  other ways the more I'm prone to [TS]

  complain about the parts that aren't [TS]

  right but the idea that I'm one of those [TS]

  people who who is against all of these [TS]

  changes and you kind of talked about it [TS]

  - and some of people in the chat room [TS]

  said you know that consumerization the [TS]

  iOS if ocation of the thing dumbing it [TS]

  down protecting users from themselves [TS]

  you know hiding things that somehow I [TS]

  was against that and I and it's because [TS]

  I'm a tech nerd and should just accept [TS]

  that's the way supposed to be on the [TS]

  other side of the coin there were other [TS]

  people in the comments thread at least [TS]

  one other guy I should have said to out [TS]

  this thing who's like in the ending [TS]

  section when I said you know hey do you [TS]

  know the width of you and that speed of [TS]

  your bus or the size i'll do cash right [TS]

  now blah blah he answered yes yes I knew [TS]

  these things then I knew these things [TS]

  now I know everything about everything [TS]

  and Apple is dumbing things that I mean [TS]

  you know there's always a guy like that [TS]

  right I didn't respond to him someone [TS]

  else in the comments that I respond to [TS]

  him and said look you can't know [TS]

  everything about everything you don't [TS]

  know everything about you may think you [TS]

  know a lot about your computer but you [TS]

  know how you know how much doping there [TS]

  is in the silicon in each transistor you [TS]

  know what the you know the gate leakage [TS]

  current is I mean nobody knows [TS]

  everything about everything and ever [TS]

  mind your car your desk the insulation [TS]

  in your house your refrigerator what [TS]

  what type of refrigerant is used in [TS]

  refrigerator do you know if it's freon [TS]

  or one of the other things or howhow [TS]

  much voltage the compressor uses it [TS]

  no-one knows everything about everything [TS]

  it's impossible and that's just a [TS]

  ridiculous argument so that's the other [TS]

  side of the coin it seemed that as as I [TS]

  seem to usually do getting complaints [TS]

  from both sides the people who were in [TS]

  favor of the changes in line we're [TS]

  saying you were too critical of them [TS]

  you're afraid of change you're afraid [TS]

  they're dumbing things down you're an [TS]

  enemy of progress and the people who [TS]

  were against the changes were saying I [TS]

  was too permissive and should have said [TS]

  there's no way we should ever allow this [TS]

  Apple should you know you should still [TS]

  know everything about your computer and [TS]

  everything Apple does to hide the [TS]

  innards from you is worse [TS]

  I thought I was pretty clear especially [TS]

  in the conclusion that I am in favor of [TS]

  this direction of removing things that [TS]

  the user has to be concerned about you [TS]

  know and I thought that came through [TS]

  clearly but it's amazing to me that [TS]

  people this is what happens I think [TS]

  people read me explaining how things are [TS]

  different like here's how it works in [TS]

  line here's how used to work you know [TS]

  and I do no comparison I said and here's [TS]

  here's the philosophy behind it used to [TS]

  be that X Y Z it could happen now with [TS]

  these changes they're trying to aim for [TS]

  a situation like this and here's how [TS]

  iOS does that and it's showing that it's [TS]

  actually possible to work like us so on [TS]

  and so forth alright so treat that and [TS]

  depending on how they felt about those [TS]

  changes they would map those feelings [TS]

  onto me as the others sure so they [TS]

  didn't like the changes they'd be like [TS]

  this author is describing all these [TS]

  things and these things are obviously on [TS]

  their face horrible therefore this [TS]

  author who's just listed 20 horrible [TS]

  things well so I have an analogy for you [TS]

  John no and by the way I disagree with [TS]

  that personal I'll tell you what I think [TS]

  of that in a minute but here's an [TS]

  analogy now I know that you're the [TS]

  perfect husband I am I am NOT and I'm [TS]

  married to a wonderful woman who's [TS]

  incredibly patient but I and maybe this [TS]

  is you know this is an invalid thing to [TS]

  say but I think I think it's typical [TS]

  that when people read this and they they [TS]

  hear and remember the negative things [TS]

  far more than they hear and remember or [TS]

  see that the positive thing so for [TS]

  example if for an entire week you [TS]

  remember you know that when you come in [TS]

  the house you take off your shoes and [TS]

  you put them down in the right place you [TS]

  know and the one day that you get home a [TS]

  little early and you put them down in [TS]

  the wrong place your wife walks in it [TS]

  whether your shoes there for you know [TS]

  that now I'm not saying that that [TS]

  whatever you know happening in my house [TS]

  but it's that kind of thing people [TS]

  remember or notice the more negative [TS]

  thing the thing you do you do wrong or [TS]

  the thing that you're yes oh so if B [TS]

  people were to read this and interpret [TS]

  things the way that things that come [TS]

  across as criticism versus the things [TS]

  that come across as a a positive I think [TS]

  I think they're going to feel like [TS]

  there's more of the things that are [TS]

  critical I what I did not do and maybe [TS]

  this is because I feel like I know [TS]

  and I know the way that that you think [TS]

  of these things and I know that your [TS]

  motive is to point things out so that [TS]

  they they will be fixed or improved [TS]

  right I feel like from my standpoint [TS]

  that you were pretty you know cautiously [TS]

  optimistic about it use it maybe use it [TS]

  make idli optimistic I don't I don't [TS]

  didn't get bad but you certainly were it [TS]

  wasn't like scathing and I did not and [TS]

  the key point of this I did not get the [TS]

  impression that you're resisting change [TS]

  I feel like you're welcoming change if [TS]

  anything you're heralding it you you [TS]

  want it as long as it's a change that [TS]

  you feel is in the right direction and [TS]

  my take on your definition of right [TS]

  direction is something that is better at [TS]

  communicating with the user making it [TS]

  easy for the user to do things so like [TS]

  one of the things you spent a long time [TS]

  going over is you know you talk well [TS]

  visit you didn't spend that much time [TS]

  but you mentioned it a couple times and [TS]

  that is that the the interface of line [TS]

  continues in the direction of sort of I [TS]

  don't know if this is the word but make [TS]

  it makes everything monochrome the [TS]

  monochromator zation of the interface so [TS]

  that it puts the emphasis on the content [TS]

  but you even mention that the folders [TS]

  that have custom icons and you go to you [TS]

  did a pretty funny example where you've [TS]

  got these huge custom icons of like [TS]

  Indiana Jones's hat and things like that [TS]

  that are just simply not reflected in [TS]

  the sidebar at all there can be no color [TS]

  in the sidebar there can be no custom [TS]

  folders in the sidebar like I get I get [TS]

  the thinking behind that for Apple [TS]

  because they really want the content to [TS]

  stand out but there's also a value to [TS]

  having a visual cue and things like that [TS]

  so when you when you criticize those [TS]

  things to me I don't feel like you're [TS]

  resisting change you're saying something [TS]

  that we used to have has been that that [TS]

  was helpful to us has been taken away [TS]

  and replaced with something that is not [TS]

  as helpful to us and those are the every [TS]

  single time I feel like that I saw a you [TS]

  know you being negative or critical or [TS]

  something that was the motivation behind [TS]

  it it wasn't like I don't like this it's [TS]

  different I didn't get that at all John [TS]

  what I got was this is different and it [TS]

  no longer effectively does this [TS]

  it's it's gone and it's gotten worse and [TS]

  that's why your did I nail that I mean [TS]

  is that right is that that seems to be [TS]

  like what you were thinking [TS]

  yeah like two sometimes even in that [TS]

  little section I remember the section [TS]

  you're talking about if I had to expand [TS]

  on that that's the good thing about a [TS]

  podcast I can expand on things [TS]

  extemporaneously if I expand on that [TS]

  section why is it why is it better the [TS]

  folders are great sometimes I don't say [TS]

  things because I think that it's obvious [TS]

  and then I realize it's totally not [TS]

  obvious to everyone except for me and [TS]

  three other people [TS]

  I gave apples philosophy there about why [TS]

  why the heck is everything the color [TS]

  being drained out of everything and the [TS]

  philosophy is focused on the content [TS]

  don't draw attention to parts of the [TS]

  interface because the interface is not [TS]

  what's important we want the interfaces [TS]

  disappear and the content to be king and [TS]

  you see that a lot on the iPad and other [TS]

  iOS things but the app fills the whole [TS]

  screen right there's not a lot of like [TS]

  Chrome and stuff like that but in the [TS]

  finder if what our folders aren't [TS]

  content what is the finder is for [TS]

  dealing with files and folders right and [TS]

  even though those finders are in the [TS]

  sidebar that's you know if you want the [TS]

  reason you're putting there is because [TS]

  they're frequent destinations in there [TS]

  places you want to go like that is [TS]

  content for the finder it's not a frill [TS]

  it's not I guess it is kind of part of [TS]

  the interface but it's like if there's [TS]

  one application where folders are [TS]

  content its the finder what does the [TS]

  finder do but manipulate content so that [TS]

  that's an example of a philosophy which [TS]

  I think is a reasonable philosophy you [TS]

  can quibble all the execution you know [TS]

  because it like you as you said you do [TS]

  give up some things when you decide to [TS]

  go this route you do give up [TS]

  distinguishability or whatever term you [TS]

  want to use for being able to pick stuff [TS]

  out because it doesn't draw your eyes [TS]

  now it also kind of blends but you know [TS]

  but you could say that this is a [TS]

  reasonable philosophy but applying it in [TS]

  a blanket fashion has places where it [TS]

  falls down and that one that I [TS]

  highlighted is is one of them you know I [TS]

  guess I should have expanded out today [TS]

  you know folders are content in the [TS]

  finder grab it is to get this is going a [TS]

  step too far maybe I just wanted to make [TS]

  a funny joke [TS]

  but but anyway yeah that so the that I [TS]

  think you're getting the right thing [TS]

  from the review but I guess I guess [TS]

  sometimes I'm reading over the little [TS]

  ending bit that I put in there I guess [TS]

  sometimes I'm daring the reader to be on [TS]

  the same page as me I I realize I do [TS]

  kind of say things that can be [TS]

  in both ways because it's kind of as [TS]

  someone said in the chatroom a Rorschach [TS]

  test for the reader that I want to say [TS]

  something that both sides of whatever [TS]

  continuum of disagreement there is on [TS]

  this issue can believe is either [TS]

  affirming or opposing their point of [TS]

  view so let me read the final paragraph [TS]

  of the review here great up over the [TS]

  past decade better technology simply [TS]

  reduce the number of things that we need [TS]

  to care about line is better technology [TS]

  it marks the point where Mac os10 [TS]

  releases stop being defined by what's [TS]

  been added now on Mac OS 10 should be [TS]

  judged by what's been removed now [TS]

  there's a middle part in there that I [TS]

  think again lays things bare lion is [TS]

  better technology that's pretty [TS]

  unambiguously almost entirely [TS]

  unambiguously positive I'm you know what [TS]

  I mean like account it's real friend [TS]

  especially for a person like you but how [TS]

  much more positive would you want to be [TS]

  on that I agree with for this time I [TS]

  really agree with you I agree man you [TS]

  know so it's saying better technology [TS]

  and then it's I had previously defined [TS]

  better technology in the earlier [TS]

  sentence by saying is reducing the [TS]

  number of things we had to care about [TS]

  which is the exact sentence I brought up [TS]

  earlier in the review as well I think [TS]

  even in italics at that point and then [TS]

  the bit about releases stop being [TS]

  defined by what's been added it's kind [TS]

  of like in all the past reviews is like [TS]

  what have you brought me all right this [TS]

  time machine additives expose has been [TS]

  added or you know this is metal things [TS]

  there's a new application you know what [TS]

  what are what are the check boxes on the [TS]

  back of the box that tell me this is the [TS]

  thing that I want to upgrade to because [TS]

  it's got all these great new features [TS]

  you know and Snow Leopard kind of being [TS]

  like a fizzle off on that point where [TS]

  it's like no more check boxes same OS [TS]

  you had before more or less we changed [TS]

  the internals right but oh that was [TS]

  acknowledged as a break but now lion was [TS]

  like not only we're not adding stuff [TS]

  we're taking stuff away not taking away [TS]

  features so much as things that were [TS]

  associated with the desktop computing [TS]

  experience that we think don't have a [TS]

  place in the future we're going to [TS]

  remove them from the experience and [TS]

  examples are like saving documents or [TS]

  remembering what things you opened or [TS]

  eventually you know dealing directly [TS]

  with the file system and stuff like that [TS]

  and the bit of the MRI said macro [TS]

  tension should be judged by what's been [TS]

  removed for now [TS]

  right the people who don't like that the [TS]

  people who say you're dumbing down my [TS]

  computer you know I don't want a VCR I [TS]

  want a congenital purpose computer that [TS]

  I can do stuff with VCR mandating myself [TS]

  those people said yeah they're taking [TS]

  away stuff they're saying should be [TS]

  judged by what's removed and they should [TS]

  be judged harshly for everything they [TS]

  remove like I you would not believe the [TS]

  number of people I got who came to me [TS]

  saying you know or said out on the [TS]

  internet you know googling myself and [TS]

  finding the links to it that you know [TS]

  he's saying the Mac was ten should be [TS]

  judged by what's been removed it's it's [TS]

  a warning call be vigilant people every [TS]

  time Apple remove something we have to [TS]

  yell about it John is saying you know [TS]

  judge them on what they removed no it's [TS]

  not what I'm saying [TS]

  I am is the opposite I think I'm for all [TS]

  the things that they finding in the [TS]

  desktop operating system experience [TS]

  things that we accept people who have [TS]

  grown up with pcs except as part of what [TS]

  it means to use a computer that are [TS]

  bogus that are the only reason we like [TS]

  them is because we've grown up using [TS]

  them but they have no place in you know [TS]

  they have no purpose other than you know [TS]

  it's like I don't know what the analogy [TS]

  is for a class of old cars it's like [TS]

  cranking the engine before you start it [TS]

  or whatever other thing you used to have [TS]

  to do that you don't have to do now [TS]

  right it's it's not part of the thing [TS]

  you're doing with the computer it's part [TS]

  of dealing with the computer and the [TS]

  ones they removes are such no-brainers [TS]

  because it's like it's not like they're [TS]

  speculatively saying we think people can [TS]

  get along without saving just fine [TS]

  there's this millions of iOS devices out [TS]

  there none of them have a Save button [TS]

  and they're in their interfaces right [TS]

  and no one ever then said a peep about [TS]

  it BG I like this iPad app but if it had [TS]

  a Save button I'd like it way better [TS]

  nobody has ever said that right universe [TS]

  right or or their phone applications or [TS]

  anything like that and it's not like you [TS]

  know there's text editors or the phone [TS]

  Simplenote you know the stuff like that [TS]

  there's graphics applications or people [TS]

  doing paintings for the cover of The New [TS]

  Yorker with iOS applications those [TS]

  people like this painting ablation is [TS]

  great but I've had a Save button I'd [TS]

  really like a lot better you know and [TS]

  most iOS applications don't even have [TS]

  the things that line is bring with the [TS]

  versioning built in and be able to [TS]

  revert at any time the most they maybe [TS]

  have is a big undo history and maybe a [TS]

  revert to last version that you know [TS]

  that from an hour ago or something about [TS]

  it you know it's I don't use enough [TS]

  applications that are sort of document [TS]

  based and Iowa [TS]

  to know what people do beyond the [TS]

  standard thing and the standard thing is [TS]

  everything is automatically saved you [TS]

  know the notes application mail Twitter [TS]

  application you're in the middle right [TS]

  tweet whatever you know I'm in the [TS]

  middle of writing tweet all the time I [TS]

  hit the home button boom I don't even [TS]

  have an iPod with multitasking my iPod [TS]

  Touch can't even run the multitasking [TS]

  but if I'm in the middle of writing a [TS]

  tweet and I have to get a URL from [TS]

  somewhere or check my mail for something [TS]

  is I have to wanna finish this wait I [TS]

  hit the home button when I launch my [TS]

  application that partially written tweet [TS]

  is still there I never think all with it [TS]

  needs to be save button on this tweet or [TS]

  something like that you know the iOS is [TS]

  a real world working example of almost [TS]

  every single thing that they put into [TS]

  line showing that it does work but [TS]

  because the context of people's brains [TS]

  are different when they're in front of [TS]

  their Mac then in front of iOS these [TS]

  same people who accepted this completely [TS]

  with iOS and are saying you can't you [TS]

  have to have manual saving because it's [TS]

  impossible for me to work the way I [TS]

  normally work and you know that's not [TS]

  what they say what they say this isn't [TS]

  it's impossible you can't you need to [TS]

  have save you can't have it [TS]

  automatically saving it's gonna screw [TS]

  everybody up it's going to make me lose [TS]

  data but they're really saying is that [TS]

  they have habits built up over decades [TS]

  of how you use the desktop computer and [TS]

  how you interact with is different [TS]

  saving but as I tried to point out in [TS]

  the review it's a failed experiment you [TS]

  know even the best of us even the people [TS]

  in imarco talked about in his recent [TS]

  episode too you even even the people who [TS]

  know this the current system or the pre [TS]

  line system inside and out even we screw [TS]

  up sometimes right and forget about [TS]

  regular people they screw up constantly [TS]

  they simply cannot map that model that [TS]

  the computer is using for data retention [TS]

  on to the way their mental model they [TS]

  think how it should work and those same [TS]

  people have no problem with iOS because [TS]

  then finally their mental model matches [TS]

  how the thing does they just don't think [TS]

  about saving it goes away right lion is [TS]

  trying to do that on the mac and running [TS]

  into people's pre-existing notions of [TS]

  how computing to work now I thought that [TS]

  was crystal clear that I am for ditching [TS]

  these things maybe gonna hung up on the [TS]

  part where I said like the parts that [TS]

  work on iOS that are sort of that don't [TS]

  work when you bring them over to the Mac [TS]

  or that have disadvantages like that the [TS]

  value proposition is different saving [TS]

  and restore and stuff I don't think is [TS]

  one of those issues I think that's [TS]

  simply an issue of inertia and people [TS]

  being used to the way things work and I [TS]

  think we will all be much better off [TS]

  once we can [TS]

  humph hiding the scrollbars and stuff [TS]

  like that they're serious trade-offs [TS]

  there and you even noted I was glad to [TS]

  hear you I think it was on the talk show [TS]

  talking about how you'd be staring into [TS]

  line screen and take a couple seconds to [TS]

  realize that there's more content ya [TS]

  know that happened that happened a lot [TS]

  and it it's not happening now but I find [TS]

  that I'm scrolling when I don't you're [TS]

  buying it you're pulling it things to [TS]

  see if there's more stuff right you're [TS]

  mapping imagine if you did that in real [TS]

  life yeah like you know I mean it's not [TS]

  see that's the type of situation where [TS]

  it's a clear trade off like you're you [TS]

  are sacrificing the ability to know at a [TS]

  glance that there's more stuff with 100% [TS]

  certainty now if it's something [TS]

  truncated on the bottom you can suspect [TS]

  but what you want to find most people [TS]

  will be replacing it with is the palling [TS]

  notion let me just check this more let [TS]

  me just check it and maybe that's fine [TS]

  maybe that's you know instead of [TS]

  glancing with your eyes you pull out it [TS]

  with your fingers you do that in iOS [TS]

  apps all the time because of course they [TS]

  have the same problem but on iOS like I [TS]

  said in the article that trade-off has [TS]

  very different it it you know ways [TS]

  differently on the things that you're [TS]

  creating off there especially on the [TS]

  phone look you just got you can't have [TS]

  that scrollbar there [TS]

  you just can't there's no room on the [TS]

  screen you absolutely have to ditch it [TS]

  and so they did the best they could well [TS]

  where it appears and dissapears and [TS]

  stuff like that right but a 30 inch [TS]

  display that trade-off is you know maybe [TS]

  not great you know and maybe you don't [TS]

  want to replace polling with with that [TS]

  type situation on a thirty inch display [TS]

  on the 11 inch air starts to as I said [TS]

  the closer the Mac gets to an iOS device [TS]

  the more or the iOS trade-offs start to [TS]

  make sense in that context I didn't talk [TS]

  about this in review of one of my fears [TS]

  is that so in line they have obviously [TS]

  options to reverse almost all these [TS]

  things and you're always wondering I [TS]

  think Gruber talked about this too so [TS]

  those options are there now but do they [TS]

  all go away in the next version and if [TS]

  they go away do they stick with which [TS]

  way are they which way they toggle [TS]

  permanently right so the scroll bars you [TS]

  can say automatically based on input [TS]

  device the idea being that if you don't [TS]

  have a touch device the trade-off is [TS]

  probably I mean Apple is basically [TS]

  saying with it with that thing [TS]

  automatically based on device if you [TS]

  don't have a touch based device it's not [TS]

  worth the trade-off you should always [TS]

  see the scroll bars alright because if [TS]

  you have a mouse attached but no touch [TS]

  device Apple defaults and that auto mode [TS]

  showing the scrollbars so what's going [TS]

  to be say say that option those radio [TS]

  buttons go away in the next version what [TS]

  happens is automatic the default is [TS]

  always showing the default is you know [TS]

  how do they go with that and the the [TS]

  usual notion is whatever the defaults [TS]

  are in Lyon that will be the permanent [TS]

  setting in whatever comes after Lyon and [TS]

  it's probably true in most cases but in [TS]

  the case of like for the doc indicator [TS]

  lights is a good example they reverse [TS]

  that the last second why I obviously [TS]

  wanted them to be off and they put the [TS]

  option in there so really pro users [TS]

  wouldn't car as I'm sorry I don't care [TS]

  what the heck the default is if I want [TS]

  the little lights I'll turn them on up [TS]

  they don't turn them off pro users love [TS]

  options they say if they can't get [TS]

  worked up about they can say all right [TS]

  so fine that the default it's off but [TS]

  you know I make maybe that screws up [TS]

  their friends and relatives and it makes [TS]

  their tech support more difficult [TS]

  they'll complain about it a little bit [TS]

  but as far as they're concerned I hope I [TS]

  could turn off I said it once I never [TS]

  think of it again and I'm fine but they [TS]

  Apple itself reverses decision and I [TS]

  guess that is said look that's not a [TS]

  good default right now it leads to too [TS]

  much confusion people can't tell what's [TS]

  running and as much as we want them not [TS]

  to have to care like they do on iOS the [TS]

  reality is we're not there yet so turn [TS]

  them on by default which is kind of [TS]

  weird because if you think about it you [TS]

  know they added this feature and left [TS]

  this checkbox but who in their right [TS]

  mind is going to turn that off as pro [TS]

  users aren't going to turn it off [TS]

  because they like the old way and [TS]

  they're used to knowing you know what's [TS]

  running and what's not and novice users [TS]

  always leave the defaults so when the [TS]

  world's going to turn those dots off [TS]

  accepted some sort of weird experiment [TS]

  or maybe a few people who are saying [TS]

  it's freeing not to know which ones [TS]

  running I just like it better I don't [TS]

  know that so in terms of my overall view [TS]

  of Lyon I'm for almost every single one [TS]

  of the things that they're trying to do [TS]

  with the OS I may be against the details [TS]

  of the execution and quibble over some [TS]

  things that don't work as well in in [TS]

  several desktop contexts but in in the [TS]

  camp of people who who like you know [TS]

  autosave is the best litmus test because [TS]

  it's like people who cannot conceive of [TS]

  because they're so used to doing things [TS]

  the way they normally do with saving [TS]

  they cannot conceive of ever operating [TS]

  in the environment where autosave exists [TS]

  I'm I'm not in that camp I I I'm exactly [TS]

  with them in terms of habits and that [TS]

  all my habits are honed on manual saving [TS]

  but I can totally see how the other way [TS]

  is better [TS]

  mostly because I accept how I operate an [TS]

  iOS and how problem-free it is there [TS]

  that that can work on the desktop and [TS]

  because I've had transitional apps like [TS]

  BBEdit which is done almost all these [TS]

  things for four years now and I it has [TS]

  sort of eased me into this way of [TS]

  working [TS]

  I still manually save like crazy and VB [TS]

  edit and I'm still bet glad BBI makes [TS]

  little backups but the restore thing and [TS]

  the fact that BBEdit auto saves almost [TS]

  everything for you so the app crashes [TS]

  and you relaunch it you're partially [TS]

  edited to work still there you know I [TS]

  see I see that the other way can be [TS]

  better and is better and it's going to [TS]

  take other people a while to see that [TS]

  and as I think I tried to point out in [TS]

  the review this is going to be this [TS]

  uncomfortable transition period because [TS]

  it's not like this is another thing that [TS]

  I should have expressed more clearly [TS]

  lots of people still think even after [TS]

  reading my review that you upgrade to [TS]

  line all your apps get these magic new [TS]

  abilities well they have you have to [TS]

  change the apps you know that you have [TS]

  to get updated versions the apps [TS]

  developers have to change them that's [TS]

  going to be a long time before that [TS]

  happens [TS]

  and so there's going to be a big long [TS]

  uncomfortable transition period but what [TS]

  can you do you have to get from there to [TS]

  here iOS had it easy because they could [TS]

  come day one and say this is the way IRS [TS]

  works there's no Save button it's just [TS]

  the way it is you can't tell what's [TS]

  running and what's not that's just the [TS]

  way this is how we implemented [TS]

  multitasking there is no before this [TS]

  there was no multitasking and then this [TS]

  is how multitasking works well you don't [TS]

  have that option on the Mac it has a [TS]

  long long history and we're going to [TS]

  have to take a long time to sort of wake [TS]

  up from that history into the lovely new [TS]

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  get harvest comm slash 5x5 that was my [TS]

  geek panic thing that's but again I [TS]

  don't I don't think it's ambiguous when [TS]

  I did a geek panic thing like it was [TS]

  acknowledging that when I use that exact [TS]

  phrase with an exclamation point that I [TS]

  understand that you like me as a geek [TS]

  are going to freak out when you hear [TS]

  this because this is not the way it has [TS]

  worked for decades and you can't do that [TS]

  what are you talking about you're gonna [TS]

  the OS is gonna quit my application just [TS]

  because the windows are visible what if [TS]

  I was using it or I'm gonna quit the [TS]

  application but it's not gonna kill the [TS]

  process I quit the application because [TS]

  I'm one of those resources back for the [TS]

  OS you can't MIT you know it's just it's [TS]

  geek panic and it's I don't know is that [TS]

  analogous like red panic I don't know [TS]

  there's some sort of history based [TS]

  analogy of this type of thing but I was [TS]

  trying to be cheeky about it to say this [TS]

  is sort of an irrational unfounded fear [TS]

  this is just progress and it's going to [TS]

  be weird for us but I think they're [TS]

  going in the right direction [TS]

  even if they're you know even if it's [TS]

  weird in the transition and even if [TS]

  maybe they go too far in a couple of [TS]

  cases you know someone brought up in the [TS]

  chat room something we want to talk [TS]

  about that was also mentioned on a talk [TS]

  show was a launch pad as the finder [TS]

  replacement I didn't talk about that in [TS]

  the review but I had that's another one [TS]

  of the things I had stewing in my mind [TS]

  like in the flashback under Sections [TS]

  episode depressed these days you know [TS]

  it's like what else is there to say but [TS]

  I've done all my complaining about the [TS]

  finder every release they do some subtle [TS]

  tweak to it they made it cocoa which was [TS]

  better [TS]

  make the performance better they do some [TS]

  annoying things we do some things that I [TS]

  like but it's it's just kind of there [TS]

  there's not that much interested and you [TS]

  know it's just like oh they can't get [TS]

  rid of the finder do they want us not [TS]

  use it with iCloud they don't even want [TS]

  your documents to be anyplace you can [TS]

  find them because they'll be buried in [TS]

  the library folder they make the library [TS]

  holder invisible so it's like forget [TS]

  about the documents for they were [TS]

  literally hiding them from you the [TS]

  mobile documents folders were my cloud [TS]

  shows stuff and that's actually in your [TS]

  library folder so they'll be literally [TS]

  invisible in the finder so you know is [TS]

  that where Apple's eventually going do [TS]

  they think the base of the computer like [TS]

  it is on iOS should be springboard or [TS]

  something similar to springboard like [TS]

  Launchpad where it's just a bunch of [TS]

  applications and you launch them and [TS]

  that's that's the bottom level the [TS]

  operating system and no dealing directly [TS]

  with a file system [TS]

  I'm sure Apple would love to do that [TS]

  some people at Apple would love to do [TS]

  that I'm sure other people at Apple [TS]

  would never let that happen so I think [TS]

  as Gruber pointed out because he [TS]

  probably has talked to a lot of our [TS]

  people as have I that Apple is not [TS]

  monolithic and inside Apple almost every [TS]

  change that some geek doesn't like in [TS]

  line was opposed by a large faction to [TS]

  people inside Apple who didn't like it [TS]

  whether it be removing the scroll bars [TS]

  reversing a scroll direction you know [TS]

  high in the library folder every single [TS]

  one of those changes I guarantee you [TS]

  there are not just like one or two [TS]

  grumpy guys but large sections of inside [TS]

  Apple who were against it and in large [TS]

  sections who were for it and it was a [TS]

  battle and you can see who ended up [TS]

  winning in all the various cases but [TS]

  Apple is not monolithically in favor of [TS]

  everything that you see in the operating [TS]

  system because it's filled with geeks it [TS]

  you know you think you're filled with [TS]

  geeks who are used to the way that yeah [TS]

  Apple and Macs have worked for decades [TS]

  there's a lot of them in Apple as you [TS]

  can imagine and so they were against [TS]

  this stuff too uh I think they did the [TS]

  brave thing in the correct thing by [TS]

  going in the direction of progress I [TS]

  think all the uncharacteristic sort of [TS]

  backpedaling with the options it's like [TS]

  turning on and off was a stopped for the [TS]

  opposition camp because opposition kept [TS]

  you can say look we're going to go with [TS]

  this is the fall but everyone knows that [TS]

  you guys are power users so you guys [TS]

  will don't be too pissed off you can [TS]

  just check this checkbox and reverse it [TS]

  the real battle will probably come in [TS]

  the next version like maybe this is a [TS]

  wedge issue where the people on one side [TS]

  of the cell be able just put it in will [TS]

  put an option and the next version comes [TS]

  they're going to want to take away the [TS]

  option and then the other [TS]

  I'm gonna say you can't take away the [TS]

  option I always have it in that mode and [TS]

  we had this big fight about this with [TS]

  Lyon and we decided the option was [TS]

  important so we continued to work and [TS]

  then unfortunately by that point the you [TS]

  know Pro progress camp will have numbers [TS]

  to say well 90% of our X millions of [TS]

  users use this as a default and we have [TS]

  metrics to show that you know they're [TS]

  perfectly happy with it so we think this [TS]

  is just be the default and you'll have [TS]

  to deal with it maybe it becomes a [TS]

  hidden plist hack at that point and [TS]

  maybe disappears entirely yeah that's [TS]

  when we talked about it for us the price [TS]

  of progress sometimes it hurts so that [TS]

  that long rambling thing all about sort [TS]

  of my overall view of Lyon I got that [TS]

  pretty much covers that there are [TS]

  specific sections or specific issues you [TS]

  want to talk about should dive into them [TS]

  well one one thing that I think I [TS]

  certainly was wondering when I was [TS]

  reading this and I have to assume if I [TS]

  was wondering it there's a handful of [TS]

  listeners that were probably also [TS]

  wondering this how are you using it well [TS]

  you know when you took these screenshots [TS]

  and talked about the settings you i [TS]

  unless i'm remembering it wrong i [TS]

  couldn't find anywhere where you said [TS]

  and by the way this is what I'm doing [TS]

  like whether it comes to scrolling [TS]

  direction you know whether you allow it [TS]

  to you know whether whether you have the [TS]

  little application active lights on in [TS]

  the dock tell me about that I mean of [TS]

  the main points that you can recall off [TS]

  the top of your head how do you do it [TS]

  what's what's John's machine like that's [TS]

  a good that's a good topic to bring out [TS]

  because it ties into another thing that [TS]

  people frequently ask me despite the [TS]

  fact that I do these big long news I [TS]

  almost never I can't I don't remember [TS]

  maybe with ten one I almost never [TS]

  upgrade my own personal main system to [TS]

  the new operating system on the day it's [TS]

  released almost never I can't even maybe [TS]

  with ten one I did it but I can't even [TS]

  think of anything back that so all the [TS]

  time that I'm using the OS for review [TS]

  purposes I'm using sort of mongrel [TS]

  installations a lot of the time when I'm [TS]

  reviewing what I want is an empty hard [TS]

  drive clean install to see what that [TS]

  experience is like because I learned [TS]

  this early on what I what I used to do [TS]

  is clone my regular hard drive install [TS]

  on top of it and try it like that and [TS]

  that's not a good way to review an [TS]

  operating system because if you if I [TS]

  used to have tons of stuff installed [TS]

  still do have a lot of little tweaks if [TS]

  there's some little thing about my P [TS]

  system in particular or some piece of [TS]

  software that I used it's screwing up [TS]

  the experience hurting performance [TS]

  making bugs that aren't really there [TS]

  it's easy to erroneously blame that on [TS]

  the operating system one really is the [TS]

  fault of some weird piece of software [TS]

  that I had installed or some peculiarity [TS]

  of my thing so what I want to do most of [TS]

  the time is have a clean install the [TS]

  operating system like on an empty hard [TS]

  drive so I can say this is the OS as it [TS]

  exists because I want to separate that [TS]

  from software compatibility issues [TS]

  because those can be resolved like a [TS]

  week after release if it's some trivial [TS]

  little bug or you know people the [TS]

  software gets updated right so I don't [TS]

  want to slam an entire OS and I see [TS]

  reviews of those all the time slamming [TS]

  OS because it's not compatible as some [TS]

  piece of software that happened to use [TS]

  and they write this big angry review and [TS]

  three weeks later that software is [TS]

  updated that issue is gone so they just [TS]

  wrote you know thousands of words [TS]

  screaming about how horrible this OS is [TS]

  for an issue that by the time most [TS]

  people read this review doesn't no [TS]

  longer exist right so I am almost always [TS]

  reviewing a stock system and as I use it [TS]

  I start to build it up to more like what [TS]

  I'm like I could probably make this [TS]

  easier but even now I could just all [TS]

  right so I sign in with my mobile me [TS]

  thing and I think I'm on these stuff and [TS]

  I and I install Dropbox and I stick my [TS]

  Dropbox files and I throw a few [TS]

  applications over there and it starts to [TS]

  become more my system right then I start [TS]

  to use it then I start to see how I use [TS]

  this when I eventually have grade my [TS]

  main machine because that you know it [TS]

  starts to look like my environment but [TS]

  then I erase it install the next [TS]

  developer build Nets process starts all [TS]

  over again so I really don't have a good [TS]

  idea really of how I'm going to actually [TS]

  use it when I upgrade the line I have I [TS]

  have a notion because I've used it long [TS]

  enough and sort of as I start to [TS]

  converge towards what my environment is [TS]

  like but I've been wrong before like [TS]

  I've used it you know for months and [TS]

  months and developer seeds and say yeah [TS]

  when I upgrade this I'm deathly going to [TS]

  have this option in this direction and [TS]

  then when it goes into my main machine [TS]

  maybe it's because some other software I [TS]

  have on a machine or like for example I [TS]

  rarely install drag thing on my machines [TS]

  that I'm testing with but I always have [TS]

  it installed in my on my main machine [TS]

  that changes of the way I'm going to set [TS]

  my options so so for example the [TS]

  scrollbar issue I went back and forth [TS]

  and back and forth and that's so long in [TS]

  the dev bills on [TS]

  the dev bills on [TS]

  normally on permanently off auto-detect [TS]

  I actually bought a Magic Trackpad so I [TS]

  would have like the full swipey right I [TS]

  wondered if you did that yeah I bought [TS]

  that way back when I actually bought on [TS]

  eBay cos I couldn't bring myself to pay [TS]

  whatever it is 70 bucks but I got a good [TS]

  deal on one in eBay and of course I have [TS]

  the laptop I was testing out so that as [TS]

  a trackpad - you know the scroll bar [TS]

  visibility at first I thought oh my [TS]

  persons think was yeah how these on [TS]

  permanently always on no no question [TS]

  right then I used it more and more so I [TS]

  left it in the auto detect or scroll [TS]

  bars invisible mode to do screenshots [TS]

  and stuff and the thing the thing that [TS]

  happened to me that happens a lot of [TS]

  other people - is you start - if you're [TS]

  an athlete if you like how things look [TS]

  all out of proportion to what benefit [TS]

  you get from them looking nice if there [TS]

  is less clutter on the screen right you [TS]

  do get used to not seeing those scroll [TS]

  bars and that's generally the thing the [TS]

  Gruber pointed out is a great example [TS]

  because for example in that newswire an [TS]

  application that I always have open and [TS]

  that I use all the time I work very hard [TS]

  to keep my subscription list in the left [TS]

  hand sidebar so that no scrollbar is [TS]

  visible because the interface gets [TS]

  uglier when the scroll bar is visible so [TS]

  if I have to add another subscription I [TS]

  have to find something else to stick [TS]

  into a folder so that my subscriptions [TS]

  don't go too long and extend past the [TS]

  and make a scrollbar become visible but [TS]

  if you have the scroll bars on you know [TS]

  the invisible hidden overlay mode you [TS]

  don't have to worry about that anymore [TS]

  so this is sort of a rational probably [TS]

  counterproductive habit of mine of [TS]

  keeping that list of the scroll bars [TS]

  invisible simply because I find the [TS]

  scroll bar uglier goes away I and you [TS]

  know you know it's it's removing some [TS]

  mental clutter from from the O's my OCD [TS]

  mind but it's not you know it's maybe [TS]

  it's just being groupers but I don't [TS]

  think it's just the two of us you know [TS]

  he doesn't like it see that scrollbar [TS]

  visible and his stuff either yeah I like [TS]

  in his mailbox list and something I [TS]

  think a lot of people will get used to [TS]

  not having these scroll bars even though [TS]

  they're minimized even though the scroll [TS]

  bars look not as glaring as a big blue [TS]

  lozenge tube thing that it I think [TS]

  you'll get to the point especially [TS]

  because most people run with the [TS]

  defaults and then most Mac users have [TS]

  laptops with the defaults will be hidden [TS]

  we're one of those people will come over [TS]

  to someone's computer where they have [TS]

  scrollbars visible because their geek or [TS]

  their using a Mac with just a mouse [TS]

  attached or something and be like good [TS]

  like there they'll recoil at the look of [TS]

  a screen covered with all these little [TS]

  lozenges on the edges of windows you [TS]

  know say it's already happened with the [TS]

  resize widget if you use line for a [TS]

  while and you go back and see those [TS]

  three tiny little 45 degree lines in [TS]

  lower right corner of a window yeah what [TS]

  the hell is that it's like someone's [TS]

  spit on your interface [TS]

  it's like pinstripes never pinstripes [TS]

  yes and even look at a pinch right that [TS]

  screenshot without freaking out those [TS]

  little resize stripes same thing already [TS]

  I can't even look at those anymore in [TS]

  the scroll bars in general are something [TS]

  that people like for example if you go [TS]

  into the web design world you'll see [TS]

  that people would often force scroll [TS]

  bars in other words even if a page [TS]

  didn't have the same amount of content [TS]

  as a page that would scroll in their [TS]

  design in the CSS they would attempt to [TS]

  force a scrollbar to appear so that you [TS]

  wouldn't have that jarring effect of [TS]

  going from an elegant main page that had [TS]

  no scrollbar or from one article to [TS]

  another page or article that does have a [TS]

  scrollbar and you the whole layout just [TS]

  sort of jumps around because of that I [TS]

  mean scroll bars have been a problem for [TS]

  years for a lot I think there's a lot of [TS]

  people who think this is this is amazing [TS]

  even int just not just the OCD picky [TS]

  people like us but people who design [TS]

  errs I was at that camp similar you know [TS]

  the else is obsessive about how things [TS]

  look is going to be designers yeah [TS]

  programmers and geeks but but yeah that [TS]

  way that was the old Mac way the classic [TS]

  Mac OS way and that the policy I believe [TS]

  right in the Higgs said if your window [TS]

  can ever have content that goes beyond [TS]

  the bounds of the window you must show [TS]

  scroll bars all the time in active [TS]

  there'll be disabled scroll bars but [TS]

  they said they do not want scroll bar [TS]

  suddenly appearing then suddenly [TS]

  disappearing based on user action you [TS]

  know so if you make a lots of content [TS]

  suddenly scroll bars appear no that was [TS]

  not the Mac Way Mac os10 introduced that [TS]

  concept and the reason Mac os10 [TS]

  introduced that concept that was the [TS]

  baby step of of hidden overlay scroll [TS]

  bars because they said you know what [TS]

  windows looks much much cooler when they [TS]

  don't have those screw out of scroll I [TS]

  snuck in them and I know in the classic [TS]

  Mac OS world we always said programmers [TS]

  please put scroll bars there just make [TS]

  them inactive [TS]

  so the controls don't appear disappear [TS]

  but take a look at this look at this [TS]

  terminal window here with one line [TS]

  prompt then and I know you're not [TS]

  terminal look at this preview window [TS]

  with it with an image in it that just [TS]

  exactly fits the int the the window [TS]

  doesn't look much better especially [TS]

  since now windows don't even have any [TS]

  borders and we just have that [TS]

  transparent line you know around the [TS]

  edge the less crisp looks nice and yeah [TS]

  we've got this little resize widget sort [TS]

  of overlaying the content because we [TS]

  have no place to put them when we don't [TS]

  have scroll alleys but it looks so much [TS]

  nicer so let's do that let's in Mac OS [TS]

  10 let's decide that the policy and the [TS]

  designers one on that one and Mac os10 [TS]

  from day one has been if you're the [TS]

  policy has been obviously every app [TS]

  doesn't follow this but Apple always has [TS]

  and I believe the Aqua using device is [TS]

  always said this if your content fits [TS]

  exactly with me in the window there's no [TS]

  reason to show up scroll bars and if it [TS]

  suddenly doesn't add the scroll bars on [TS]

  well now they're finally getting to the [TS]

  last place it's a you know alright so [TS]

  and if it suddenly becomes too big still [TS]

  don't show the scroll bars torn you know [TS]

  just don't show them at all if they [TS]

  start scrolling then show them briefly [TS]

  and so on and so forth and maybe you can [TS]

  flash them when the content gets too big [TS]

  we don't you know [TS]

  it's they're trying to move away from [TS]

  visual clutter and it's take a long time [TS]

  to do that because they know they're [TS]

  sacrificing information and I find that [TS]

  feeling uncomfortable if not knowing if [TS]

  there's more or forgetting if this more [TS]

  and that's so far for me it hasn't gone [TS]

  away so as I was saying getting back to [TS]

  how I'm going to do things I started to [TS]

  really like the way things look without [TS]

  scroll bars but I also start to really [TS]

  hate being fooled by whether there's [TS]

  more content or not and I don't like [TS]

  pawing at things to tell if there's more [TS]

  stuff there I you know I think when I go [TS]

  full time on my big monitor machines I'm [TS]

  going to have scroll bars always visible [TS]

  then I'm continue to not have to fight [TS]

  to not have the scroll bar my you know [TS]

  subscription pain in the newswire and [TS]

  stuff like that on a laptop I think I'll [TS]

  probably set it to auto mode in which [TS]

  case they'll be hidden especially with a [TS]

  small laptop I would do that well you [TS]

  know you meant one thing I don't think [TS]

  we mentioned you mentioned yet today on [TS]

  today's show but you did mention in your [TS]

  article is a lot of the time when a when [TS]

  a window opens it will sort of flash the [TS]

  scroll bars to indicate there's more [TS]

  here and then they'll sort of quickly [TS]

  fade away uh I noticed it sometimes [TS]

  sometimes I don't notice it but you [TS]

  would think that there could be some [TS]

  very [TS]

  subtle visual hint I'm not going to [TS]

  attempt to suggest what that would be [TS]

  but you know it there could be some [TS]

  visual cue that was there that was [TS]

  present for longer than that and [TS]

  unobtrusive but would indicate there is [TS]

  more content here in some fashion you [TS]

  would have thought that would be there [TS]

  well the flashing is the way the user as [TS]

  I said in the review that yeah but it's [TS]

  not very to use that when when suddenly [TS]

  when suddenly things change [TS]

  for instance one example would be when [TS]

  you do like command G they'll find next [TS]

  when you're searching it what has [TS]

  changed is your position when the [TS]

  documents they automatically teleported [TS]

  you to page 22 where the occurrence of [TS]

  the word you were searching for appears [TS]

  and they want to communicate to you [TS]

  where you've landed in the document [TS]

  because you really have no idea just a [TS]

  command G right so then they flash the [TS]

  scroll bars and then you see the scroll [TS]

  wires the scroll bars provide a huge [TS]

  amount of information you know their [TS]

  where their position is and the height [TS]

  of them tells you a whole bunch much [TS]

  more than just there's more stuff below [TS]

  there's more stuff below as you [TS]

  mentioned the talk show I think was like [TS]

  one if they did a fade at the bottom or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  anything you do that affects the content [TS]

  area has real downsides because now [TS]

  you're screwing with the people's [TS]

  content you don't wanna be drawing on [TS]

  top of it is that fade there or is that [TS]

  fade in the bottom of the image is the [TS]

  image just fade out at the end you know [TS]

  like if you end up havin looking at an [TS]

  image in preview that happened to have a [TS]

  fade out at the bottom which is not [TS]

  uncommon if it's you know a particular [TS]

  gradient fade we would fool you into [TS]

  thinking because you've been trained by [TS]

  that OS effect that means it's more [TS]

  content blended page down and nothing [TS]

  would happen yeah it's really difficult [TS]

  to screw with the content area it the [TS]

  overlays because they appear and [TS]

  disappear it's clear they're not part of [TS]

  the contents clear they're transient and [TS]

  they serve the same purpose as the [TS]

  scroll bar but the proportional scroll [TS]

  thumb and all that stuff it's not a [TS]

  great solution I don't know if there is [TS]

  one maybe maybe a great solution is to [TS]

  have the scroll bars always visible and [TS]

  further de-emphasize them [TS]

  I don't know mmm it's a difficult [TS]

  problem and every time I think about [TS]

  this I always question like how [TS]

  important is it really to get rid of [TS]

  this this visual noise like are there [TS]

  other places where you could get bigger [TS]

  bang for your buck getting rid of visual [TS]

  noise then then sacrificing all the [TS]

  information provided by a scroll bar [TS]

  I don't know I think we'll have to [TS]

  experiment to determine but idea that's [TS]

  that's how I think I'll use mango send [TS]

  the dots I will definitely have on on [TS]

  the applications because mostly because [TS]

  it's going to be a long time I think [TS]

  very long before our applications are [TS]

  updated to allow auto termination [TS]

  because that's one of the that's not as [TS]

  easy to sell that to developers why they [TS]

  should enable that though like no my [TS]

  application you can't terminate so I'm [TS]

  not going to able that feature ever [TS]

  right that will be a difficult very [TS]

  difficult cultural change but it's [TS]

  shortly in the short term my [TS]

  applications are not going to be like [TS]

  that maybe some allocations will never [TS]

  be like that like you don't want your [TS]

  mail application to ever be auto [TS]

  terminated even if all the windows are [TS]

  hidden because you want it in the [TS]

  background receiving mail right you know [TS]

  so I don't know how that's going to go [TS]

  every but yeah dots dots will be under [TS]

  my applications what other options other [TS]

  they'd be interested in how I think I'm [TS]

  gonna run it you know to be honest those [TS]

  are the main two now there's something [TS]

  else I'll scroll direction scroll [TS]

  Direction that was the other thing [TS]

  yeah all right so it's crawl direction I [TS]

  thought I had a couple people have [TS]

  agreed with this point but I haven't [TS]

  heard echoed so much my main issue with [TS]

  scroll Direction well those two issues [TS]

  one obviously is a consistency issue and [TS]

  everyone was talked about that and you [TS]

  can reverse them and Snow Leopard border [TS]

  you have to use some other machine like [TS]

  it's a transitional period you're always [TS]

  going to be all screwed up that's [TS]

  frustrating but my main issue is that I [TS]

  don't use a laptop most the time I'm [TS]

  using a desktop and I'm using a desktop [TS]

  of the mouse attached to it and all I [TS]

  might have scroll wheels and even if [TS]

  they didn't my big thing is that finger [TS]

  is grasped you know that your fingers in [TS]

  a relaxed position when you can track [TS]

  the muscles your fingers grasp that your [TS]

  fingers pulled down extending is a less [TS]

  natural motion the bigger the bigger [TS]

  stronger muscles are in grasping you can [TS]

  grip something much more tightly than [TS]

  you can push the back of your fingers up [TS]

  against something it's just the way [TS]

  human physiology works and so I'm going [TS]

  to be scrolling down all day long which [TS]

  I am because scrolling is always the [TS]

  you're almost always going down right [TS]

  you're not scrolling up I want that to [TS]

  be the motion that my body is most [TS]

  efficiently able to form and that's [TS]

  grasping so it's flicking down on the [TS]

  scroll wheel simply because [TS]

  physiologically that is that's the most [TS]

  natural motion for fingers and I'm going [TS]

  to be doing it all freaking day no I [TS]

  I like touch base things I like the [TS]

  magic mouse touch part I don't like the [TS]

  other parts of the magic mastery it's [TS]

  too low and too heavy but [TS]

  I like touching stuff like that but it's [TS]

  the same thing on touch same thing it [TS]

  you want to be pulling towards yourself [TS]

  it's not like the other way is going to [TS]

  cause me to break my fingers off or it's [TS]

  simply less efficient and less natural [TS]

  I'm sure I will get used to it but for [TS]

  now I'm definitely going to have scroll [TS]

  direction in the quote-unquote normal [TS]

  way which is kind of a shame because not [TS]

  that I'm ever gonna use launchpad but if [TS]

  I did if you're on launchpad and you [TS]

  have like a touch Mouse and you have [TS]

  scrolling set to like the snow leopard [TS]

  direction for you know pulling down to [TS]

  see lower in the document then scrolling [TS]

  feels backwards on launch pad because [TS]

  you see launchpad you like o on iOS mode [TS]

  let me swipe those icons and it goes the [TS]

  opposite direction you know so you can't [TS]

  win it would be great if they could [TS]

  change B you have independent axes you [TS]

  know of like of vertical scrolling it's [TS]

  kind of like a first-person shooter why [TS]

  what do they call it up inverted why [TS]

  every game it usually allows you to [TS]

  invert the y-axis but keep the x-axis [TS]

  the same when right when you pass around [TS]

  because some people used to it it would [TS]

  be nice if Mac os10 had inverted Y but [TS]

  kept the X the natural way so that you [TS]

  could swipe left and right among even if [TS]

  you're just going swiping left or right [TS]

  on Safari and stuff like that I would [TS]

  like to have inverted Y but regular you [TS]

  know X and also I really like it if they [TS]

  would unlink the trackpad preference of [TS]

  the mouse preference I've had people [TS]

  tell me if you change the mouse and [TS]

  trackpad tracking in the correct order [TS]

  that you can change them independently [TS]

  but every time I correct order yeah like [TS]

  first change the mouse one to the [TS]

  direction you want but then change the [TS]

  trackpad one to the reverse or vice [TS]

  versa I don't remember that somehow [TS]

  they're not links but every time I tried [TS]

  during testing I was like great there's [TS]

  a separate setting in trackpad for [TS]

  reverse direction except for setting a [TS]

  mouse and every time I changed one and [TS]

  one it would change on the other and it [TS]

  doesn't help that Apple changed the [TS]

  wording and I believe they even change [TS]

  the logical meaning of like it used to [TS]

  be a negative thing you would check the [TS]

  turn on then change to a pop thing you [TS]

  would uncheck to turn off but anyway [TS]

  those two options the fact that they are [TS]

  linked in anyway is annoying because I [TS]

  think this should be independent because [TS]

  obviously on a trackpad one thing feels [TS]

  more natural than on a mouse so scroll [TS]

  direction I will have in the old Snow [TS]

  Leopard one because I use mouse wheels [TS]

  and because I think pulling my finger [TS]

  towards me is more comfortable than [TS]

  doing it the other way [TS]

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  you were critical of but I don't I don't [TS]

  feel like you were - you you I don't say [TS]

  you gave it a you gave it a kitchen pass [TS]

  but you were way not critical enough you [TS]

  are too nice even though you probably [TS]

  devoted a whole page to it you are still [TS]

  too nice [TS]

  about the visual interface changes that [TS]

  do nothing except give the appearance of [TS]

  slowing things down and the example is [TS]

  talking about a window that opens it [TS]

  starts from the central point of where [TS]

  the window will be when it's fully [TS]

  expanded and it animates the expansion [TS]

  of the window like you talked about that [TS]

  you and honor you I wish you had been [TS]

  twice as critical of that then you were [TS]

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  the horribleness of that that to me is I [TS]

  mean look I would say upgraded to two [TS]

  lion just to get the new mail app it's [TS]

  that good but I the war ABS for me the [TS]

  worst thing about it I don't want to see [TS]

  a window animating from a tiny little [TS]

  pinpoint grow it fit it does everything [TS]

  that you again you perfectly nailed the [TS]

  issue in in your article it's just that [TS]

  it gives the perception of being much [TS]

  slower weather I mean I don't know how [TS]

  you would time this but the length of [TS]

  time that it takes to open a new window [TS]

  in lion vs. Snow Leopard it's probably [TS]

  pretty pretty much the same thing but it [TS]

  feels so much slower online and the [TS]

  perception is that things take a long [TS]

  time though [TS]

  now when you close the window it's gone [TS]

  instantly and you mentioned that too [TS]

  it's just you close it's gone [TS]

  ah but opening windows it's it's so bad [TS]

  and there's as far as I know there's no [TS]

  way to turn that off yet is there I have [TS]

  not found a way I thought I was pretty [TS]

  no you were Lee again we're not you know [TS]

  you were against the only but it was [TS]

  well my video in the entire review it [TS]

  wasn't enough yeah I mean I guess maybe [TS]

  my old age I don't go off on there like [TS]

  it's like what more others as I look at [TS]

  this freakin video every time you make a [TS]

  new document does the animation I [TS]

  explain logically why this animation is [TS]

  different from other animation I [TS]

  described how it felt for it to appear I [TS]

  said this was a bad choice I said I [TS]

  think you know what you didn't I could [TS]

  turn it off should have brought it up [TS]

  you should have brought it up five six [TS]

  seven eight more times throughout the [TS]

  rest of the interview [TS]

  I just what it taught over everyone's [TS]

  pet peeve is they wish I would yell [TS]

  about more but again maybe I'm getting [TS]

  tired of my old age [TS]

  yelling about things maybe I don't think [TS]

  yelling is the most construct but I'm [TS]

  with you a hundred percent and [TS]

  everything you said there and I'm pretty [TS]

  much just as pissed about it as you are [TS]

  but in the grand scheme of things for [TS]

  example I would be much more pissed if [TS]

  scrollbars couldn't be made visible you [TS]

  know what I mean I'm thankful for the [TS]

  options I wouldn't but maybe that [TS]

  tempered my I was one option they didn't [TS]

  give me that's so horrible like it's the [TS]

  one bad horrible thing you know I would [TS]

  rather not have the scrollbars be [TS]

  visible than this I wouldn't make that [TS]

  trade sure I would because that's how [TS]

  bad this is yeah it is bad and again [TS]

  even if you hint like measuring trying [TS]

  to get it trying to time it to see I'd [TS]

  rather go back to the system system 6 [TS]

  scrollbar system 7 scroll bars and how [TS]

  to live with those in this is it [TS]

  empirically slower or do we have the [TS]

  psychical spare the only thing I can say [TS]

  about it is at the very least you are [TS]

  you utilizing CPU and GPU resources more [TS]

  than you used to be maybe there were [TS]

  idle resources and they were there [TS]

  anyway but if you want to go eco on it [TS]

  you can say there's a slight increase in [TS]

  power usage because now the GPU had to [TS]

  draw the window when it's this size the [TS]

  window when it's in between size and the [TS]

  window full size whereas before they [TS]

  were just have to draw the the window [TS]

  once and repeat that over months and [TS]

  months you probably it's probably extra [TS]

  one eight thousandth of a penny and [TS]

  electricity that you're being caught [TS]

  well here's the thing here's hard to [TS]

  come up with I mean everything you said [TS]

  about why it's horrible I agree with but [TS]

  empirically speaking I bet people I [TS]

  don't know now John we we get a lot of [TS]

  email from listeners and we appreciate [TS]

  the email and a lot of the email is [TS]

  correcting things that we've said or [TS]

  commenting on things that we've pointed [TS]

  out whether they agree or disagree and [TS]

  once in a while we get like a little tip [TS]

  if anybody can figure out the plist [TS]

  setting or the default setting that they [TS]

  can turn that off I don't want to I [TS]

  don't want to have to install an app to [TS]

  do it you know I'm saying just give me [TS]

  give me something to type on internal um [TS]

  I've been don't think I haven't been [TS]

  looking for it and I'm assuming the vast [TS]

  resources of the interwebs will [TS]

  eventually find it if it exists here's [TS]

  something I know that people I know that [TS]

  people at Apple listen to this show I [TS]

  don't know how many I know there is a [TS]

  you know a small group of people at [TS]

  Apple who listen to this I'm assuming [TS]

  it's probably Steve Jobs and Phil [TS]

  Schiller and a couple of their friends [TS]

  they just kick back on a weekend and [TS]

  listen if one of you guys could email [TS]

  this to me I I will not tell who that [TS]

  you sent it I'll keep it on the DL [TS]

  maybe I'll - I'll tweet about it I won't [TS]

  mention who told me total secrecy total [TS]

  anonymity but please let me know [TS]

  today well if you want to get depressed [TS]

  like I fully expected that you know just [TS]

  because I wasn't able to find this in my [TS]

  brief searching I fully expected once [TS]

  this thing goes on the web I will [TS]

  immediately get emails from 17 people [TS]

  from Apple saying oh yeah here's the P [TS]

  listing for it no contact so far so this [TS]

  started making me scared that it really [TS]

  is no way to turn it off because that [TS]

  almost anytime I mention anything like [TS]

  that in a review somebody from who knows [TS]

  well immediately contact me telling me [TS]

  what it is [TS]

  and if not someone from Apple then wait [TS]

  three days and someone on the internet [TS]

  will find it ah if someone has found it [TS]

  already please tell me I will be sure to [TS]

  mention it on the show so now here's [TS]

  some here's something that you know we [TS]

  don't want to run too long but I feel [TS]

  like I feel like we could really this is [TS]

  such a great piece that you wrote here [TS]

  this will be fodder for us for a long [TS]

  time whether it's just as a few or [TS]

  whether it's you know it's it's full [TS]

  show topics but there's one thing that I [TS]

  just I want to ask you because this is [TS]

  something I'm thinking about doing today [TS]

  so I got this new MacBook Air the day [TS]

  that they were announced I ordered it [TS]

  got here the next day and it my [TS]

  understanding is at a MacBook Air as a [TS]

  portable computer does that check out [TS]

  sure and your recommendation was that [TS]

  you would you would use full disk [TS]

  encryption on I believe that the phrase [TS]

  that you used was any comportable [TS]

  computer I travel with was that the crew [TS]

  is that the correct terminology is at [TS]

  the fresh I don't remember wording but [TS]

  what I was trying to get at is if you [TS]

  think there's any possibility that you [TS]

  would accidentally leave it somewhere it [TS]

  could be stolen like if you're if you're [TS]

  a traveling person you go through [TS]

  airports or at hotels you know because a [TS]

  lot of people get laptop computers that [TS]

  never leave their house [TS]

  we have laptop computers in our house [TS]

  and they almost never leave the house if [TS]

  they do they come with us to go to [TS]

  another relative so you're saying if you [TS]

  take a computer with you to work or to [TS]

  coffee shops or or on trips like anybody [TS]

  could fall into someone else's hands [TS]

  you're saying turn this thing on yes and [TS]

  also said performance performance does [TS]

  not seem to be affected when you tested [TS]

  it did you did you test it on a high [TS]

  powered you know high-end MacBook Pro [TS]

  with eight gigs of ram and i7 or what [TS]

  actually let me before keep this thought [TS]

  because I want to circle back to [TS]

  something else we talked about before [TS]

  sure it's related to this which is which [TS]

  I was trying to get to in the topic [TS]

  about how I'm going to use line and how [TS]

  I just tested in these weird forms and I [TS]

  build it up to um like lunaire erase it [TS]

  and try to test and clean installs yeah [TS]

  and I said hi how I had an upgrade to [TS]

  line yet and I rarely do and you know [TS]

  immediately upgrade so the reason I [TS]

  don't immediately upgrade my policy for [TS]

  years has been let everybody else [TS]

  upgrade let everybody else find all the [TS]

  problems in the operating system and in [TS]

  the programs as most of the programs and [TS]

  my mo is to keep the previous operating [TS]

  system on my main system obviously I [TS]

  have auxilary systems and stuff upgrade [TS]

  them on my main important system where [TS]

  everything has to work what I want to do [TS]

  is over the coming weeks and months or I [TS]

  don't know how long it's going to be [TS]

  update every one of the applications [TS]

  that I use to be lion savvy so whatever [TS]

  it is default folder X which I love [TS]

  upgrade that to the Y in version they've [TS]

  already done that you know the latest [TS]

  version of BBEdit if it wasn't already [TS]

  line savvy upgrade to the version that [TS]

  is it I think it is already fine [TS]

  everything all the applications that I [TS]

  use on a daily basis let everyone else [TS]

  discover what the problems are they're [TS]

  in line and let me eventually end up [TS]

  with a system running Snow Leopard that [TS]

  nevertheless has all installed software [TS]

  absolutely ready for Lion and that [TS]

  includes stuff like macfuse like [TS]

  whatever I get an updated version of [TS]

  fuse that works with with line I want to [TS]

  have that installed in Snow Leopard if [TS]

  possible you know if I have to rebuild [TS]

  any of my open source software and I [TS]

  can't do it later you know rebuild [TS]

  64-bit versions or something like that [TS]

  right and what I want to happen is when [TS]

  I finally decide to pull the trigger on [TS]

  line install no surprises none I want to [TS]

  upgrade and have everything just like [TS]

  immediately work because I spent all [TS]

  this time making sure every single [TS]

  application and piece of so [TS]

  where I use is line ready that's how I [TS]

  go with the with the upgrade process [TS]

  everyone thinks like I immediately [TS]

  upgrade the line running at all time [TS]

  people are constantly asking me oh can [TS]

  you check this out in line has this work [TS]

  or whatever it's like I would do it [TS]

  because it takes two seconds but I'm [TS]

  sitting in front of Snow Leopard at Snow [TS]

  Leopard of home and certainly have Snow [TS]

  Leopard of work because you know i [TS]

  disrupt your work environment oh you're [TS]

  sure everything's going to work and work [TS]

  as a whole their issue in terms of IT [TS]

  policy and all that business [TS]

  so encryption falls under the same [TS]

  category I said that you know Iran [TS]

  encrypted almost the entire time using [TS]

  Lion Inn for the dev build so the first [TS]

  thing I did was I installed it is [TS]

  something I needed to figure out like [TS]

  right after was installed like what is [TS]

  the first launch experience of this or [TS]

  what are these defaults or whatever fine [TS]

  I did that and then I immediately [TS]

  encrypted [TS]

  I used encrypted for months and months [TS]

  and all the dev builds never a single [TS]

  problem related to encryption never [TS]

  corrupted my disk and I sure screwed [TS]

  around with a disk utility command you [TS]

  should you know did all sorts of stuff [TS]

  that you shouldn't be doing it never had [TS]

  a problem booting it never seemed slow [TS]

  to me in any way no I didn't benchmark [TS]

  it but I'm gonna say for most normal [TS]

  people with spinning disks in particular [TS]

  you just won't notice now obviously if [TS]

  you're doing like video or even maybe a [TS]

  heavy-duty multitrack audio or something [TS]

  like that there is going to be some sort [TS]

  of i/o hit for but I did not do [TS]

  benchmarks in this there's another thing [TS]

  if I had more time I would've done [TS]

  benchmarks and some of these things it's [TS]

  because I don't think line it was about [TS]

  performance or benchmarking so that's [TS]

  not like there was a thrust of the OS [TS]

  and I had to spend my time and what I [TS]

  thought was the most important some [TS]

  people have done benchmark so for [TS]

  example they did a benchmark of PGP [TS]

  whole desk encryption versus Lions [TS]

  actually was a little slightly older [TS]

  version of PGP whole disk encryption [TS]

  versus lines and lines encryption was [TS]

  twice as fast it's more now it's not [TS]

  it's not you don't get nothing for free [TS]

  it's but I think it would be [TS]

  imperceptible for normal usage browsing [TS]

  the web doing some email even stuff like [TS]

  running Photoshop stuff like that you [TS]

  usually not IO bound most of the things [TS]

  that you do and I think that Apple's [TS]

  implementation is really solid that's [TS]

  the reason I said if you have a Mac that [TS]

  you think that's possibility could be [TS]

  stolen the peace of mind you will get [TS]

  from having that thing whole disk [TS]

  encrypted is great and I said also based [TS]

  on my multiple years now of using a Mac [TS]

  at work that it is entirely encrypted [TS]

  you forget it's the [TS]

  there it has no software compatibility [TS]

  issues except for the issue of one it's [TS]

  the third party product in the upgrade [TS]

  the OS and hoses you which I tweeted [TS]

  about recently again updated to 1068 and [TS]

  it hoes my PGP whole disk encryption [TS]

  obviously if it's made by the operating [TS]

  system vendor and built into the [TS]

  operating system I would hope that you [TS]

  wouldn't have those problems but no data [TS]

  loss [TS]

  I've been paranoid ever since I [TS]

  encrypted my Mac at work that I was [TS]

  going to somehow lose my drive because [TS]

  both of my drives are encrypted [TS]

  including my time machine backup that I [TS]

  was going to lose everything and you [TS]

  know it hasn't happened I've always been [TS]

  able to just boot from a recovery disk [TS]

  you know I haven't forgotten my password [TS]

  so I wholeheartedly endorse Apple's [TS]

  whole disk encryption based on my [TS]

  experience running it almost all the [TS]

  time with the dead builds and based on [TS]

  my experience with a third party product [TS]

  running all this encryption it is way [TS]

  better than any you know it because it's [TS]

  invisible to application software all [TS]

  your applications people keep asking me [TS]

  the super duper workers encrypted disk [TS]

  how am i backups work how does time [TS]

  machine work your software has no idea [TS]

  the disk is encrypted that's the beauty [TS]

  of it it looks like a completely [TS]

  unencrypted disk there are no software [TS]

  compatibility if it's you know it's done [TS]

  right there no software compatibility [TS]

  issues with anything except excuse me [TS]

  except maybe like boot loaders or the [TS]

  boot process or whatever and again I [TS]

  would think Apple get that right so [TS]

  combine that advice with the notion that [TS]

  I don't even upgrade my computer until [TS]

  I'm sure all my application software [TS]

  works and you'll get sort of a picture [TS]

  of how I how I look at these things in [TS]

  the review I don't want to say I don't [TS]

  like reviews that say the temper every [TS]

  single statement about the operating [TS]

  system with but you know you should [TS]

  really wait before you upgrade because I [TS]

  wouldn't trust this quite right out of [TS]

  the box and like like flood like you [TS]

  know tempering every nice thing you say [TS]

  or every interesting feature with like [TS]

  but there's no way I would try this [TS]

  until at least six months after it's [TS]

  been out for a while to find the bugs [TS]

  that's true of every single piece of [TS]

  software ever not just zero point zero [TS]

  and it weakens the review and it's [TS]

  pointless to constantly reiterate after [TS]

  everything every every feature you [TS]

  describe but don't even try this now [TS]

  because it's probably gonna be really [TS]

  bugging you should wait six months [TS]

  overall if you are concerned about bugs [TS]

  compatibility wait six months period [TS]

  that's not gonna do with an individual [TS]

  feature and it's not a slight on the [TS]

  product itself it's true of everything [TS]

  it's true even a point release like I [TS]

  shouldn't I shouldn't have been stupid [TS]

  and upgraded to ten six eight by just [TS]

  clicking a button you just get used to [TS]

  doing that you know 10xy you just get [TS]

  used to doing the wire releases all just [TS]

  up [TS]

  - sup date I should have waited a day [TS]

  read on the web or looks for hey anyone [TS]

  have any issues with 1068 I would have [TS]

  immediately found the PGP hole disk [TS]

  encryption people having problems and I [TS]

  you know don't upgrade immediately just [TS]

  for the hell of it and this is not [TS]

  that's something and I talked about at [TS]

  the end I think in the recommendation [TS]

  section was trying to say don't be in a [TS]

  hurry upgrade you know if you want to [TS]

  great right away fine but you'll be [TS]

  better off if you just wait that's just [TS]

  that's true of all software period it is [TS]

  not particularly true of line now if I [TS]

  had individual experiences with the line [TS]

  dev builds that led me to believe the [TS]

  lion was buggy or the whole disk [TS]

  encryption was buggy I probably would [TS]

  have said oh I use holdest I tried to [TS]

  use whole disk encryption all through [TS]

  the dev builds but it never quite worked [TS]

  so I don't quite trust the really [TS]

  someone even that might not be fair [TS]

  because Apple has done some amazing [TS]

  turnarounds over the years where a [TS]

  feature has been buggy buggy buggy right [TS]

  up until like the very last build and [TS]

  then it's rock-solid and users don't [TS]

  know about this visit and run the dev [TS]

  build but they've had some amazing [TS]

  releases where just before like the bill [TS]

  before the retail release everything [TS]

  suddenly becomes super rock-solid in my [TS]

  particular feature and never and never [TS]

  back slides so my recommendation on this [TS]

  is if you are running lion now if you've [TS]

  made that plunge then I would say yeah [TS]

  make the encryption plunge again [TS]

  you have to have good backups you know [TS]

  be prepared for disaster don't trust it [TS]

  implicitly but that's that's true of [TS]

  anything not just because of encryption [TS]

  any minute you mentioned would super [TS]

  something like SuperDuper work Time [TS]

  Machine work it's going to but if you're [TS]

  cloning the drive is the clone gonna be [TS]

  encrypted or no oh no people have an [TS]

  edge I just want to I just want to [TS]

  clarify that because SuperDuper is [TS]

  operating at a system level which is [TS]

  above the level of the encryption so it [TS]

  sees regular files I just want people [TS]

  understand this because if not you I'm [TS]

  trying to save you emails John oh I'm [TS]

  still getting them trust me alright but [TS]

  yeah I mean if you said it would be the [TS]

  same thing as copying a file to to [TS]

  another hard drive over a network it's [TS]

  it's going to decrypt it instantaneously [TS]

  you're not going to know it was ever [TS]

  encrypted super duper doesn't know [TS]

  what's encrypted so of course anything [TS]

  that you do like that including your [TS]

  Time Machine backup so you you're [TS]

  encrypting your Time Machine backup what [TS]

  if I want to do both lines encryption [TS]

  and PGP encryption will they play nice [TS]

  I don't think that's possible did you [TS]

  test it no okay so you're really your [TS]

  review is incomplete then yeah okay sir [TS]

  don't even try that is I don't think [TS]

  that will work at all I think it will [TS]

  just I don't think it'll house you data [TS]

  but I think I'll almost certainly render [TS]

  your system unbootable and so you advise [TS]

  against that yeah don't do that [TS]

  all right so maybe the way to think [TS]

  about if I had known this it would be [TS]

  such an issue of confusion I would have [TS]

  tried to clarify more in their view but [TS]

  the way to think about it is that when [TS]

  you turn your machine on whether using [TS]

  PGP or line or whatever you immediately [TS]

  get this prompt that wants a password it [TS]

  hasn't done anything yet it's like you [TS]

  need to give me the magic word to allow [TS]

  access to this drive once you give that [TS]

  magic word on that very early firmware [TS]

  based like it hasn't booted the [TS]

  operating system it hasn't it has no [TS]

  idea what's on your drive your drive is [TS]

  just a completely opaque bucket of [TS]

  scrambled binary crap at this point and [TS]

  it puts up a UI and says type in a [TS]

  password after you type that password [TS]

  from that point on pretend your disk is [TS]

  not encrypted and then then when [TS]

  questions like well to make a time [TS]

  machine back up [TS]

  will it be encrypted you answer that [TS]

  question by going back to that rule I [TS]

  just said after you enter that password [TS]

  your pretend your drive is not encrypted [TS]

  okay your drive is not encrypted you [TS]

  make a time machine back up as a time [TS]

  machine back up encrypted no because [TS]

  after you enter that password drive is [TS]

  not encrypted period so I think it would [TS]

  be fun to call this the show come what [TS]

  was the thing completely what did you [TS]

  just say it's great Leo Baeck bucket [TS]

  bucket of a coronary cram room yeah [TS]

  completely opaque bucket of binary crap [TS]

  that is not the show because the show if [TS]

  you were to run the file utility on it [TS]

  from the old world of critics say you [TS]

  know audio file or whatever so we won't [TS]

  you simply fake so listen how are we [TS]

  going to how we going to handle upcoming [TS]

  shows we can adjust we just going to go [TS]

  section by section from now on until [TS]

  we're done till the next OS is out yeah [TS]

  I think we hit the highlights here but I [TS]

  think there's more in there a lot more [TS]

  in there and remember like in my notes [TS]

  from the previous show we had a whole [TS]

  bunch of follow-up that we had the shell [TS]

  that's totally not line related so [TS]

  that's out there lurking in the back and [TS]

  I've I've been adding to that and [TS]

  there's still markdown out there but [TS]

  yeah next show I think we'll talk about [TS]

  lines some more I think so I think we [TS]

  need to because this is great and again [TS]

  congratulations so if you [TS]

  if you want to support John's excellent [TS]

  work on this piece obviously go read it [TS]

  if you want to support John directly [TS]

  what's the best way for them to do that [TS]

  go they can either sign up I will put in [TS]

  the shownotes link my Amazon referral a [TS]

  link for the Kindle eBook some people [TS]

  are buying even though they don't plan [TS]

  to read it but just fine you just want [TS]

  to give some money gruber length if you [TS]

  want to go during fireball his link was [TS]

  the Amazon referral link but I will also [TS]

  put it in the show notes so if you go to [TS]

  daring fireball the net and search for [TS]

  my name or on that xix you will find [TS]

  that siracusa posts that he made and [TS]

  there's the referral link or I'll put it [TS]

  in the show notes you can follow John as [TS]

  siracusa nosy on Twitter and that's it [TS]

  so we'll be back we'll be back regular [TS]

  time next week I plan on next week I [TS]

  will be on vacation yeah but you never [TS]

  really take a vacation from this show is [TS]

  what happened yeah I planned I'm [TS]

  recording for vacation but I got word [TS]

  from my brother who went down to the [TS]

  beach house yesterday that the people [TS]

  who own the beach house are planning to [TS]

  sell it and have canceled their internet [TS]

  access and we have no internet access [TS]

  whatsoever so you're canceling the [TS]

  vacation no we're gonna have to mix next [TS]

  next week's show unless you find some [TS]

  magical way to give me an internet [TS]

  connection I would just assume like if [TS]

  you're planning to go somewhere and you [TS]

  discover that there's no internet you [TS]

  can't have it vacations off yeah yeah no [TS]

  but that's not that's an option [TS]

  all right well actually let me look at [TS]

  the calendar let me say we figure it [TS]

  I'll be I'll be back you know what we [TS]

  can do another weekend I'll give you a [TS]

  weekend special again we'll do another [TS]

  so yeah Saturday or Sunday are both open [TS]

  so we could do weekend they will do [TS]

  something special maybe this becomes you [TS]

  know like a like a Sunday afternoon show [TS]

  until things say equilibrium is restored [TS]

  I told you about this vacation a long [TS]

  time ago but yeah this is my one summer [TS]

  vacation every year my wife and kids are [TS]

  down there now actually I will be [TS]

  joining them after a few more days work [TS]

  well well the next time if you could [TS]

  just clear it with me you know a couple [TS]

  months in advance I did tell you about a [TS]

  long time ago but you what did I say but [TS]

  now the faith is there she'll keep track [TS]

  of these oh she sure will she's gonna be [TS]

  all right so listen everybody follow [TS]

  John siracusa on Twitter you can follow [TS]

  me on twitter dan benjamin and go to 5x5 [TS]

  TV and and rate all of the well you [TS]

  don't rate the shows there you can find [TS]

  all of the old shows there you can rate [TS]

  the show on iTunes which we appreciate [TS]

  and go to 5x5 TV such contact which is [TS]

  the appropriate place to send us an [TS]

  explanation as to how to turn off that [TS]

  useless graphical user interface tweak [TS]

  in line and that's about it we'll see [TS]

  y'all again next week [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  you [TS]