Hypercritical

7: ThunderCats

 

  this is hypercritical episode number 7 [TS]

  it's a weekly talkshow ruminating on [TS]

  exactly what is wrong in the world of [TS]

  Apple and related technologies and [TS]

  businesses nothing is so perfect that it [TS]

  can't be complained about and the man in [TS]

  charge of complaining here the head [TS]

  complainer chief of complaints is John [TS]

  siracusa hey John hey Dan [TS]

  how are you today I'm a little bit sick [TS]

  but I'm ready to complain little yes and [TS]

  you ready you could even complain about [TS]

  being sick if you look good but no one [TS]

  wants to hear that well we'd like to say [TS]

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  and beautiful John it's the way the web [TS]

  should be Typekit comm boom lion can eat [TS]

  can you hear it roaring we're not ready [TS]

  for that yet not ready alright I thought [TS]

  I'd give a little teaser what's to come [TS]

  alright well I think people can guess [TS]

  but we gotta do some follow up first ok [TS]

  so I guess I have a trim selection to [TS]

  follow up today and has a lot to do with [TS]

  connectors which will tie into our later [TS]

  discussion of the new MacBooks line and [TS]

  all that good stuff the firewire 400 [TS]

  plug we talked about it in a past [TS]

  episode yes it is a connector that was [TS]

  nicely asymmetrical and you couldn't put [TS]

  it in the wrong way and then as you [TS]

  mentioned on another show we got some [TS]

  feedback from people saying no if you [TS]

  are sufficiently determined you can jam [TS]

  that plug in the wrong way and I thought [TS]

  about why this might be possible because [TS]

  if you look at the plug like you know [TS]

  it's it's rectangle on one end and sort [TS]

  of a triangle with a clipped off tip on [TS]

  the other end and it seems like there's [TS]

  no way this thing could go in the other [TS]

  way but if you think about the [TS]

  receptacle that accepts that plug a lot [TS]

  of them kind of have metal flanges like [TS]

  you know so [TS]

  rounding it this sort of pinched the [TS]

  plug when you put it in and if there's [TS]

  nothing supporting those metal flanges I [TS]

  can imagine if you were to put it in the [TS]

  wrong way and just shove it in yeah you [TS]

  could Bend the two metal flanges that [TS]

  would lay against the triangular parts [TS]

  and just bend them outward so that the [TS]

  rectangular part fits in there and [TS]

  apparently doing this destroys the [TS]

  connector and can also short out [TS]

  electronics inside the machine [TS]

  so it just goes to show that merely [TS]

  having a plug with a symmetrical is not [TS]

  sufficient to defeat the most determined [TS]

  users of shoving in the wrong way I [TS]

  still say obviously you wanted to be [TS]

  asymmetrical so that the let's say less [TS]

  harried people can put it in the right [TS]

  way and not be confused about the way it [TS]

  goes but these are people who run [TS]

  computer labs and stuff like that where [TS]

  is the worst possible environment for [TS]

  hardware people just treat the machines [TS]

  terribly and right people are walking in [TS]

  off the street plugging in plugging [TS]

  whatever they feel like into the into [TS]

  the computers yeah yeah and if it [TS]

  doesn't fit they just press harder and [TS]

  if it's your own machine you think about [TS]

  it and say perhaps I'm shoving in the [TS]

  wrong way let me look at the shape of [TS]

  the connectors um yeah and I really to [TS]

  think that someone sent me a link to [TS]

  this bi-directional USB plug it's like a [TS]

  regular USB plug the flat rectangular [TS]

  one but inside it where you is normally [TS]

  like a sort of plastic block and then [TS]

  I'm 1/2 and the whole nailer that's the [TS]

  internal asymmetry that makes it so you [TS]

  can shove it in the outside fits with [TS]

  the inside doesn't so it has to go in [TS]

  one particular way so this [TS]

  bi-directional USB plug and I'll have a [TS]

  link in the show notes has two plastic [TS]

  blocks inside the connector and no [TS]

  matter which way you put it in one of [TS]

  the plastic blocks slides backwards I [TS]

  think this is probably a not a great [TS]

  design because anytime you put moving [TS]

  parts inside of connect there's just one [TS]

  more thing to break and I don't even [TS]

  know if this is a real connector or just [TS]

  a prototype or an idea but it shows that [TS]

  someone else out there was thinking [TS]

  about this and saying man it's USB plugs [TS]

  are stupid what can we do about it I [TS]

  mean I I'm tempted to say that would be [TS]

  interesting if that caught on but I [TS]

  think will probably be bad if that [TS]

  caught on because you really can't have [TS]

  moving things inside of connectors just [TS]

  it seems like the walls the walls of the [TS]

  connector themselves need to be not [TS]

  lined with a thin little piece of [TS]

  minam that's bendable you know it needs [TS]

  it needs to it needs to it the fewer [TS]

  pins that you can have the better you [TS]

  know you think about the the days of [TS]

  we've talked about scuzzy drives you [TS]

  know it was so easy to screw up the pins [TS]

  on those connectors well they don't have [TS]

  pins now they have contacts you know [TS]

  pins Bend you know and especially with [TS]

  these serial interfaces they have you [TS]

  know four contacts or whatever and they [TS]

  shove those things against the walls of [TS]

  the connector and that's better than [TS]

  pins but you are relying on the [TS]

  structural integrity of the connector [TS]

  itself to maintain your connections so [TS]

  on the same issue someone brought up the [TS]

  dock connector again which I already [TS]

  complained about and they mentioned that [TS]

  the dock connector is actually [TS]

  asymmetrical and if you look really [TS]

  closely at the iPod dock connector you [TS]

  can see it only does go in one way and [TS]

  it's got a little logo on the dock [TS]

  connector and you're supposed to make [TS]

  that logo face up but it's asymmetrical [TS]

  at a very tiny scale unless your vision [TS]

  is very good you can't even see that [TS]

  it's actually asymmetrical but you have [TS]

  to look you have to look for the little [TS]

  symbol on top of it to know whether [TS]

  you're doing it right right I mean if [TS]

  you can look really closely and see the [TS]

  edge or you can feel it but it's another [TS]

  it's a case where you wish the thing [TS]

  really was symmetrical because it's [TS]

  asymmetrical so slightly that you you [TS]

  have to look at the local you can [TS]

  actually look at the connector itself [TS]

  versus something like the firewire 400 [TS]

  where you can look at that connector and [TS]

  see or feel with your fingers very [TS]

  easily you know which side is the pointy [TS]

  side in which side is not a last bit on [TS]

  connectors I was talking about how on [TS]

  the on Apple's laptops in recent years [TS]

  they've made the connectors go in size [TS]

  order along the side from big to small [TS]

  from back to front yep and a couple [TS]

  people pointed out that the mini [TS]

  displayport actually in the show I [TS]

  pointed out that when they went to [TS]

  MagSafe that kind of screwed it up a [TS]

  little bit because Matt the power was [TS]

  always at the far back of the machine [TS]

  and the power connector used to be a big [TS]

  circle but MagSafe is smaller so now [TS]

  right away you're starting off with a [TS]

  smaller connector and then it gets [TS]

  bigger and then smaller from there but [TS]

  other people pointed out that the mini [TS]

  DisplayPort connector which we'll talk [TS]

  about later when they changed from [TS]

  whatever they had DVI out or those at [TS]

  mini DVI or whatever they can actually [TS]

  used to be they changed in mini [TS]

  displayport it kind of messed up the [TS]

  order because they left it [TS]

  well at first they reordered the very [TS]

  first machines that mini-displayport [TS]

  said we've got a new port and it's [TS]

  really small so it goes closer to the [TS]

  front of the machine so we still have [TS]

  our nice size order but things like one [TS]

  or two revisions ago they reordered the [TS]

  ports again and they shove the mini [TS]

  displayport back a couple spots so it [TS]

  was like big small or small or super [TS]

  small a little bit bigger you know so [TS]

  the overall trend was still big to small [TS]

  but at mini DisplayPort broke up the [TS]

  pattern a little bit so maybe they are [TS]

  moving away from the strict size order [TS]

  thing and just sticking with the roughly [TS]

  size order and a few ports move [TS]

  backwards and forwards so I guess you'd [TS]

  have to call that progress um and the [TS]

  other bit of off I want to do is on [TS]

  audio quality I got a lot of feedback [TS]

  from this when I was talking about how I [TS]

  don't remember what show it was was [TS]

  talking about how I don't like to buy a [TS]

  lossy compressed audio and rather advice [TS]

  is figure to get a physical backup and [TS]

  the audio quality is better and how that [TS]

  sort of digital music resolution a [TS]

  revolution has made us take a step back [TS]

  in audio quality where as it looked like [TS]

  we were going to go from CD to super [TS]

  audio CD or DVD audio or something that [TS]

  had better audio quality instead we went [TS]

  from CD to mp3 and other formats that [TS]

  less quality than than CD and a lot of [TS]

  the audio files send me information [TS]

  about where I can get higher quality at [TS]

  digital music there's a couple different [TS]

  websites we can find that it's obviously [TS]

  they don't have everything and a lot of [TS]

  it is like classical or obscure stuff or [TS]

  linked a couple of them the show notes [TS]

  one of them I thought I'd heard it [TS]

  before was called HD tracks comm what [TS]

  kind of music do you actually listen to [TS]

  enough I guess it's the typical [TS]

  geeks my age music so I think there's a [TS]

  lot of people who are who are our age [TS]

  who like Bruce Springsteen and and the [TS]

  bands of that era like I like it you [TS]

  know REM you to that type of thing that [TS]

  pop bands from the 80s and 90s not a lot [TS]

  of Lady Gaga and then I also have more [TS]

  modern music that I listen to which like [TS]

  I think a lot of geeks like Radiohead [TS]

  and I'm one of those as well and believe [TS]

  it or not I resisted Lady gaga for a [TS]

  long time because I've just not into [TS]

  that type of thing or the whole shtick [TS]

  or whatever but it's good music so I do [TS]

  listen to Lady Gaga I'm a fan [TS]

  they'll tip me too so when I what about [TS]

  Katy Perry and she is a pale imitation [TS]

  of Lady gaga [TS]

  I didn't really shell an email [TS]

  invitation well it's similar I like her [TS]

  music dance beats poppy kind of stuff [TS]

  but trying to have an edge and she's [TS]

  just not as talented [TS]

  I mean she's not bad she has some songs [TS]

  that are okay but what do you kids [TS]

  listen to do you allow them to listen to [TS]

  music I'm into music yet I don't think [TS]

  they listen to you know we played all [TS]

  the kids see these in the cars you know [TS]

  that they might be giants and we try to [TS]

  keep it better [TS]

  Philadelphia chickens is a good one if [TS]

  you got kids up there get that one it's [TS]

  a good stuff um but anyway that's it I [TS]

  follow up or do sir no no I got I got a [TS]

  talk a little bit more about the audio [TS]

  quality stuff okay so the other point [TS]

  that I meant to bring up about the audio [TS]

  quality was it I think I touched her [TS]

  briefly but more people sent me feedback [TS]

  on it was that it's not just that we [TS]

  went down in quality when we went from [TS]

  CD to mp3 it's also when we went from [TS]

  vinyl to CD that there was another [TS]

  phenomenon going on at the same time [TS]

  which is uh known colloquially as the [TS]

  loudness war have you heard in this sure [TS]

  have ya oh you're an audio guy you know [TS]

  all about this so I put two links in the [TS]

  show notes about this one is the [TS]

  Wikipedia page on the loudness wall and [TS]

  the other one is a YouTube video that [TS]

  explains it but it basically means that [TS]

  they took out the dynamic range of the [TS]

  music so when they mastered the music [TS]

  you can choose to do whatever you want [TS]

  with the waveform and what they did was [TS]

  they made it so the entire track is [TS]

  louder rather than having quiet parts [TS]

  and loud parts and as anyone who's ever [TS]

  sold stereo speakers or been in that [TS]

  environment knows a lot of music sounds [TS]

  better to customers so everyone wants [TS]

  their music to sound better and to make [TS]

  your music sound better you just make it [TS]

  louder but by making the whole thing [TS]

  loud or you have a loudness threshold [TS]

  that you can can't go beyond on the on [TS]

  the track itself right so if you put [TS]

  your dial on five and you play your [TS]

  track it will sound the quiet parts will [TS]

  sound more quiet than someone else's [TS]

  track that was heavily compressed and [TS]

  that made you know the quiet parts [TS]

  almost as loud as the loud parts what's [TS]

  interesting is is on this lavish War [TS]

  Wikipedia page [TS]

  it shows it has an animated gif which is [TS]

  all of the show of how we should [TS]

  pronounce that that shows a little [TS]

  waveform in 1983 87 93 and 2000 and it's [TS]

  all of the same song which is something [TS]

  by the Beatles and it shows how it's [TS]

  been mastered over CD all the way back [TS]

  since that first release I guess in 83 [TS]

  and in 2000 the the green waveform [TS]

  completely fill of the track completely [TS]

  fills the the image that's how much [TS]

  louder they've made it and it's not it's [TS]

  not just like when you say loudness [TS]

  people get confused because like well [TS]

  doesn't that just depend on the volume [TS]

  knob it's it's the waveform itself it's [TS]

  the difference between the quiet parts [TS]

  and the loud parts and if you eliminate [TS]

  that difference so that the quiet parts [TS]

  and loud parts are basically the same [TS]

  volume you've lost a lot of the what [TS]

  they call dynamic range in the song the [TS]

  YouTube video shows an animation of this [TS]

  and they play the audio so if you want [TS]

  to hear an example this it's a little [TS]

  bit more difficult to hear them to see [TS]

  but visually it's very striking when you [TS]

  see those waveforms like that and this [TS]

  really doesn't have much to do with [TS]

  quality except for the fact that you [TS]

  know the the you know the bitrate of the [TS]

  audio whichever I forget which statistic [TS]

  of the audio files corresponds to the [TS]

  loudness but there was a ceiling on CDs [TS]

  that supposedly didn't exist as much in [TS]

  vinyl and on that side of the coin what [TS]

  they're trying to do now is get higher [TS]

  quality audio files like that HD tracks [TS]

  places higher quality audio files more [TS]

  bits per sample and more samples per [TS]

  second brain is what well stand Emory [TS]

  and it was a story floating around last [TS]

  week they kind of got stomped on by the [TS]

  Apple news that came later about Apple [TS]

  supposedly in talks with I guess with [TS]

  the the labels or whoever else to put [TS]

  higher quality music on there their [TS]

  store and they've done that once before [TS]

  they went from 128 kilobits a C's to 256 [TS]

  but now they're supposedly in talks to [TS]

  change the number of bits per sample [TS]

  from 16 bits per sample to 24 and [TS]

  perhaps increasing the sample rate from [TS]

  whatever it is 44 kilohertz to 96 [TS]

  kilohertz these are all those rumors you [TS]

  don't know really what's happening but [TS]

  it's good to see that there's some [TS]

  motion that front of course the reason [TS]

  for it is [TS]

  kind of sent a goal and that I think [TS]

  they just want to be able to charge more [TS]

  and to make people rebuy the same music [TS]

  again they want to have that thing where [TS]

  it's like hey upgrade your whole library [TS]

  to the new super high quality audio [TS]

  files for just 30 cents for each track [TS]

  and they love to get you to pay more [TS]

  money for things you already own and but [TS]

  if they do do this change and if they [TS]

  provide lossless audio or maybe even if [TS]

  they don't they may actually be offering [TS]

  something that's better than the CD [TS]

  quality which will be a first for a [TS]

  mass-market music sales so I'm glad to [TS]

  see some motion in this area any kind of [TS]

  changes that at least acknowledge that [TS]

  there's something else I think in are [TS]

  good and I've read articles too that [TS]

  just talk about the current generation [TS]

  of people where if you play them in mp3 [TS]

  they will prefer the sound of an mp3 to [TS]

  what we would think of as an old-school [TS]

  you know vinyl recording they like they [TS]

  like the sizzle of the compression [TS]

  artifact right that's a reassuring to [TS]

  them or they'll is the same sort of way [TS]

  that a vinyl person would like the the [TS]

  hiss and the pop of your going odd it is [TS]

  that I mean I think that's just you [TS]

  can't really go by what they want if you [TS]

  give them higher quality audio without [TS]

  that sizzle it's not like they'll reject [TS]

  it even if they in a be testing they [TS]

  have a preference for the other one [TS]

  they'll get used to whatever they get [TS]

  used to the whole reason they like the [TS]

  sizzles because they're used to it so I [TS]

  don't think that's going to be a [TS]

  limiting factor where people are going [TS]

  to say well I would give this higher [TS]

  audio quality file but during the drum [TS]

  solo section I like that crackling sound [TS]

  of compression artifact an always [TS]

  recompress the song if you want that [TS]

  yeah yeah so that's all I've got for [TS]

  follow up I think for this episode [TS]

  because we got a lot we did get we did [TS]

  get one more person or two emailing to [TS]

  say they would like to hear why you [TS]

  don't have a smartphone why you don't [TS]

  have an iPhone rather yeah stragglers [TS]

  people listening to the podcast don't [TS]

  realize they're listening to an episode [TS]

  from last week [TS]

  I predict I'll be I predict that we get [TS]

  emails about that every time somebody [TS]

  discovers that show so we will be [TS]

  getting emails about that for the next I [TS]

  would say couple years maybe maybe [TS]

  indefinitely that's all right I think [TS]

  you should answer you don't ever answer [TS]

  these people though [TS]

  I usually say listen to episode number [TS]

  whatever it was oh you do you not CC'ing [TS]

  me it's not it's not enough that I can't [TS]

  reply if someone is on Twitter I'll I'll [TS]

  just do a quick out reply and says you [TS]

  know listen to the next episode or [TS]

  whatever sometimes people apologize and [TS]

  say they didn't realize it was they were [TS]

  listen to an episode in the past but no [TS]

  big deal it's mostly blame you for it [TS]

  because really you're the one who made [TS]

  the call for feedback mmm that's true I [TS]

  did yeah so now on on to the news right [TS]

  the new the new stuff so yesterday [TS]

  Thursday and by the way we should [TS]

  mention I should I should get in the [TS]

  habit because this this show does [TS]

  although I think personally that this [TS]

  show could be listened to not just in a [TS]

  week or a month from now but decades [TS]

  from now and it would still be 99% [TS]

  relevant I wouldn't go that far I didn't [TS]

  ask if you would on but it is important [TS]

  though John to mention that that today [TS]

  is Friday February 25th yesterday was [TS]

  the 24th it's 2011 so in case you're [TS]

  listening to this in a decade you can [TS]

  look back on this yesterday is when [TS]

  Apple came out with made the [TS]

  announcement rather so let me make sure [TS]

  that that was yesterday right yep [TS]

  yesterday okay so yesterday February [TS]

  Johnny's birthday it was Steve Jobs [TS]

  birthday it was apparently so February [TS]

  24th 2011 Apple made this announcement [TS]

  of the new MacBook Pros and they also [TS]

  announced the Thunderbolt stuff and they [TS]

  also in made available for Mac [TS]

  developers lion to download and revealed [TS]

  their line page and had a whole bunch of [TS]

  information about that so the Developer [TS]

  Preview became available there's a few [TS]

  things that we'd like to talk about we [TS]

  want to obviously we want to talk about [TS]

  Thunderbolt in in general right and [TS]

  number two we definitely want to talk [TS]

  about how they play into the whole [TS]

  MacBook Pro number three we're going to [TS]

  talk about of course lion but we have to [TS]

  limit ourselves to what we can say about [TS]

  lion and the reason is both you and I [TS]

  are Mac app developers and and because [TS]

  or we're Apple developers so too so that [TS]

  means we're under NDA [TS]

  so we have to limit although we know I [TS]

  both you and I know a lot more than [TS]

  we're going to be able to say we have to [TS]

  limit what we can say to what has been [TS]

  made publicly available because [TS]

  otherwise we're breaking our NDA talking [TS]

  about it [TS]

  plus I have another reason to limit what [TS]

  I say in that when new OS developer [TS]

  release comes out I tend to stop talking [TS]

  about it a little bit because I know I'm [TS]

  going to have to write a big article [TS]

  about it and if I talk about every [TS]

  single thing that's going to be in the [TS]

  article the article becomes boring so I [TS]

  gotta save some yeah you're gonna save [TS]

  it I mean that's your bread and butter [TS]

  so it's more about dessert yeah that's a [TS]

  good way to put it so you have to [TS]

  reserve some but you know that there is [TS]

  we do need to talk about it and it is [TS]

  very cool but we're going to have to [TS]

  limit now here's the question time do we [TS]

  have to limit ourselves to what's on [TS]

  apple's site or can we do just have to [TS]

  limit ourselves to what if somebody else [TS]

  broke the NDA [TS]

  and publish something I think once [TS]

  something's on the public web we can [TS]

  talk about screenshots that anybody can [TS]

  see on a public website because we're [TS]

  not the ones breaking that NDA it's [TS]

  someone else did and put those [TS]

  screenshots up and we're just looking at [TS]

  them and don't you smoke can we see on [TS]

  the web again all right I'm with you [TS]

  it's nice how you got me to say that by [TS]

  the way so when the Apple black [TS]

  helicopters come you can say I asked him [TS]

  and he said it was okay yeah they throw [TS]

  us both in different you know different [TS]

  interrogation rooms and well they got [TS]

  recorded a recorded record now they do [TS]

  all that so yeah you are you are [TS]

  culpable yeah so then what do we want to [TS]

  do first a new MacBook Pro so and I have [TS]

  a theory I have a theater an over [TS]

  arching theory about Lion in general [TS]

  that I'll talk to you about and you [TS]

  probably already thought of this and I'd [TS]

  like to hear if you think it's true but [TS]

  back to the new met so the new MacBook [TS]

  Pros come out they've got faster CPUs [TS]

  they've got new graphics cards in them [TS]

  they're faster Apple also decided to use [TS]

  in the the same metric that they were [TS]

  using to measure the MacBook Airs [TS]

  battery life they have now applied this [TS]

  same technique or measurement style to [TS]

  the MacBook Pros so although it they now [TS]

  are reporting a shorter battery life [TS]

  than they had before [TS]

  apples saying that the battery life is [TS]

  actually not shorter we're just [TS]

  measuring it differently yeah that's [TS]

  always boudu anyway [TS]

  ya know real life if they were if they [TS]

  think the zoo methodology is better than [TS]

  fine but what what you always go by what [TS]

  I always go by is I look at the the the [TS]

  power rating for the battery how many uh [TS]

  whatever it is uh [TS]

  milliwatts hours or whatever and then [TS]

  just look at the CPU and say well is [TS]

  this is a CPU or screen or any other [TS]

  components they take more or less power [TS]

  than the previous revision or they about [TS]

  the same and then you look at the rating [TS]

  for the battery and say this is battery [TS]

  bigger or smaller than it used to be and [TS]

  you can usually get a good feel for will [TS]

  this have similar battery life to the [TS]

  previous model and I think in this case [TS]

  I don't think they shrunk the battery at [TS]

  all so I would I would imagine that the [TS]

  and I think the CPU and everything the [TS]

  screen are comparable in terms of power [TS]

  draw especially on the low-end model [TS]

  where they don't even have a discrete [TS]

  GPU anymore but that's that's getting [TS]

  ahead let me give my quick overview of [TS]

  the the MacBook Pros please so I was a [TS]

  little bit not disappointed but I guess [TS]

  it was an unrealistic expectation but I [TS]

  was really hoping that they would WoW me [TS]

  by introducing a new line of MacBook [TS]

  Pros that were designed around the lack [TS]

  of an optical drive because you can do [TS]

  lots of interesting things if you decide [TS]

  I'm going to make a laptop that doesn't [TS]

  have an optical drive inside it and I'm [TS]

  not saying you have to make it like a [TS]

  MacBook Air because you would make [TS]

  different trade-offs here you wouldn't [TS]

  say make this as thin as humanly [TS]

  possible you would say take the room [TS]

  that used to be occupied by that optical [TS]

  drive or take some of it at least and [TS]

  use it for something else and you can do [TS]

  lots of stuff with that space you can [TS]

  put the biggest thing you can do is you [TS]

  put more battery there yeah and that's [TS]

  spot or whatever to rearrange the [TS]

  internals to reuse that space to give [TS]

  yourself a bigger battery and who [TS]

  doesn't who doesn't like that right you [TS]

  can make it a little bit smaller than it [TS]

  used to be maybe a little bit thinner a [TS]

  little bit narrow or something and you [TS]

  can also if you decided you could use [TS]

  that that space to give yourself room [TS]

  for like another hard drive or a regular [TS]

  2.5 inch SSD for like hybrid storage or [TS]

  one of those non you know one of those [TS]

  sort of on a card SSD things like in the [TS]

  airs now you can do lots of interesting [TS]

  things but apparently Apple's not ready [TS]

  to take that step yet and you can kind [TS]

  of understand people really do want [TS]

  obstacles that would be [TS]

  is he fit about them all gotta buy this [TS]

  $79 external obstacle and the whole [TS]

  point of a laptop is to have an [TS]

  all-in-one machine I watch DVDs in the [TS]

  planning I do X Y & Z so we're not there [TS]

  yet I guess for getting rid of the [TS]

  obstacles but it was just something I [TS]

  would have liked to seen so given that [TS]

  they didn't ditch the optical drive in [TS]

  these and given the the Thunderbolt [TS]

  thing which we'll talk about in a bit [TS]

  these strike me as transitional machines [TS]

  so that basically makes the last [TS]

  revision of the MacBooks the peak of [TS]

  that iteration and that iteration being [TS]

  the ones with firewire and USB unibody [TS]

  and with with discrete GPUs and in truth [TS]

  they were getting a little long in the [TS]

  tooth like they had the Core 2 Duo and [TS]

  the low end model that's an ancient CPU [TS]

  but if you want to look like the [TS]

  generations of these things that was [TS]

  sort of the end of the line for the [TS]

  MacBook as we know it that had been [TS]

  survived for three or four revisions and [TS]

  now they're starting on a new generation [TS]

  of MacBooks and this one is kind of the [TS]

  the awkward one where they haven't [TS]

  really gone all-in on it they've got the [TS]

  new architecture inside there where [TS]

  we've got the integrated graphics [TS]

  controller on the low-end model so no [TS]

  more discrete GPU because Intel's [TS]

  internal Intel's on-die GPU is finally [TS]

  non sucky like it's not great but it's [TS]

  about as good as the old separate GPU [TS]

  and so you got a lower power there [TS]

  you've got a more modern CPU so it's a [TS]

  whole new architecture inside for that [TS]

  and I've got this Thunderbolt port on [TS]

  there right that supposedly someday [TS]

  might replace all sorts of other ports [TS]

  but all the other ports are still there [TS]

  so you haven't ditched the optical and [TS]

  you've added this awesome new [TS]

  interconnect but you haven't ditched all [TS]

  the other ports so this is clearly like [TS]

  the weird transitional machine between [TS]

  the old MacBook Pros that we knew and [TS]

  the new MacBook Pros that are going to [TS]

  have maybe just a couple of Thunderbolt [TS]

  ports no more optical drive thinner or [TS]

  lighter more like chunkier MacBook Air [TS]

  right right right right and it is [TS]

  interesting that they didn't I'm glad [TS]

  that they didn't stick with the on-die [TS]

  GPU for the high-end models because they [TS]

  still have discreet GPUs and I actually [TS]

  have pretty impressive discreet GPUs [TS]

  like I mean [TS]

  highest of high end 15 inch and 17 [TS]

  inches they got a gigabyte of dedicated [TS]

  vram that's more than my mac pro has on [TS]

  its card so that's kind of depressing [TS]

  although it is kind of said that you [TS]

  know when you've got the integrated [TS]

  on-die GPU it each part of your system [TS]

  memory because it doesn't use dedicated [TS]

  vram it's not a speed issue it's just [TS]

  that you're out basically 384 megabytes [TS]

  of system memory because the GPU wants [TS]

  to use that I'm sure it doesn't use all [TS]

  of it all the time or maybe does [TS]

  pre-allocate it either way it's kind of [TS]

  rude that the GPU is eating some of your [TS]

  system memory but the lower even the [TS]

  lower end machines are starting out with [TS]

  your starting out with a lot more system [TS]

  memory in these particular models than [TS]

  ever before isn't that right I [TS]

  what are they standard for and the [TS]

  maximum 8 now I think so I'm actually [TS]

  looking right now if I have to go to [TS]

  like the Buy Now link to see ok so the [TS]

  low is the lowest end one has four cakes [TS]

  of RAM right everybody in fact they all [TS]

  have four gigs standard that's a [TS]

  reasonable but the fact that they max [TS]

  out at 8 d can you confirm that I have a [TS]

  maxed out at 8 I'm going to I'm going to [TS]

  try this right now and I'll tell you [TS]

  what I'll tell you what they do theirs [TS]

  and I'm also going to check and see if [TS]

  there's different differences in the [TS]

  models but if I'm if I go to the site [TS]

  right now yeah that's it I have 2 [TS]

  options I can either do 4 gigs or 8 gigs [TS]

  and it looks more to go to 8 Jerome says [TS]

  max is 8 and it's getting at the point [TS]

  now where the the power users really [TS]

  want more especially since these [TS]

  machines have for real cores and with [TS]

  hyper-threading it shows is 8 virtual [TS]

  cores they have they have a pretty darn [TS]

  good GPU with a gigabyte of dedicated [TS]

  vram you'd want to do you can do lots of [TS]

  stuff on this thing but with 8 gigs of [TS]

  ram you know forget about doing stuff [TS]

  like oh I want to have 3 virtual [TS]

  machines running yeah you can handle it [TS]

  but you just don't have enough RAM for [TS]

  that you know I want to run all my Mac [TS]

  apps plus some VMs and open I'm sorry [TS]

  I'm out of RAM yeah you're absolutely [TS]

  right I mean even a lot of people who [TS]

  are doing video editing work or Final [TS]

  Cut Pro stuff or even audio editing and [TS]

  you know Photoshop work those all take [TS]

  so much so much RAM that I know a lot of [TS]

  people who you know eight-eight is the [TS]

  entry point for them yeah and you say [TS]

  well it's a portable it's not suppose [TS]

  are supposed to be desktop replacement [TS]

  machines these days and then that gets [TS]

  to my over my overarching theory but [TS]

  we'll get to that in a minute yeah and [TS]

  and it's not just the desktop [TS]

  replacements just that they just have [TS]

  tremendous power like they they are [TS]

  going to be faster in some things than a [TS]

  Mac Pro's from not too many years ago [TS]

  you know so this especially if you've [TS]

  got them plugged into a desk and you've [TS]

  got an extra mono monitor attached and [TS]

  everything the RAM is the thing that's [TS]

  limiting you and it's it's a shame [TS]

  because you're like I'm not limited [TS]

  because I had to get a low-power GPU I'm [TS]

  not limited because you know it's [TS]

  portable or there is heat concerns or [TS]

  anything like that I'm limited by they [TS]

  just couldn't stick anymore Ram isn't [TS]

  that's another thing you can make room [TS]

  for if you ditch the optical drive put [TS]

  in another slot and yeah so I think [TS]

  that's pretty much all I have to say on [TS]

  the MacBook Pros beyond the Thunderbolt [TS]

  port you want to do your your theory now [TS]

  which I think I probably have an inkling [TS]

  of what it is all right no you say what [TS]

  it is I'm thinking that you you are [TS]

  under the impression as everyone else is [TS]

  by looking at the sales charts that [TS]

  Apple is becoming more and more laptop [TS]

  company than incidentally cells a few [TS]

  desktops on the side absolutely that [TS]

  they are basically trying to feel the [TS]

  line of laptops that cover all possible [TS]

  bases and the outliers that have to go [TS]

  desktop they're trying to get there [TS]

  smaller and smaller well in everything [TS]

  everything that we know about Lion it [TS]

  absolutely confirms that and I'll and [TS]

  I'll tell you why just just looking at [TS]

  the way that and again this this is all [TS]

  stuff none I do have line running on an [TS]

  iMac right here but that's not what I'm [TS]

  talking about and that's not what I'm [TS]

  going to be talking about I'm going to [TS]

  be talking about what you can actually [TS]

  see by going to apples apples Lion page [TS]

  which you can find at apple.com slash [TS]

  Mac OS and of course I know that it's [TS]

  Mac OS 10 but it's Mac OS X of course [TS]

  slash lion and if you go to this page [TS]

  there's not only screenshots there but [TS]

  there's also videos there and the video [TS]

  that that you can look at that really [TS]

  explains my really kind of [TS]

  exemplifies my theory is under the [TS]

  gestures and animation section there's a [TS]

  little video there that says get [TS]

  animated and if you watch that video you [TS]

  see the the perfect human hand that [TS]

  reaches from from out there and you see [TS]

  it using you see it using gestures and [TS]

  working through you know using Mission [TS]

  Control and using full screen apps and [TS]

  launchpad and for all of these thing I [TS]

  mean first of all looking at looking at [TS]

  the full screen apps for example and [TS]

  this is a great feature you know there's [TS]

  people who will say well I don't like [TS]

  full screen apps but there are a lot of [TS]

  times where a full screen app really [TS]

  does make sense browsing email where [TS]

  you're where you are kind of uni tasking [TS]

  a full screen app can be really really [TS]

  nice to have you might not want a full [TS]

  screen app for Photoshop for example you [TS]

  might not want it for chat but certainly [TS]

  navigating between full screen apps or [TS]

  using full screen apps effectively [TS]

  relies upon having an easy way to to [TS]

  work with the different windows or go [TS]

  back and forth between them and command [TS]

  tab isn't it well gestures actually if [TS]

  you don't mind doing gestures and we [TS]

  should talk about whether you like doing [TS]

  gestures with RSI but if you like doing [TS]

  gestures and you find them easy to [TS]

  remember guess what it makes it very [TS]

  easy to do that the launch the launch [TS]

  pad works really really nicely with [TS]

  gestures and all of all of the stuff [TS]

  that they demo here gestures and and and [TS]

  you know all of the navigation things [TS]

  that you can do with with with the [TS]

  swiping and everything it really really [TS]

  works well but here's here's two things [TS]

  I was just talking to Sarah Parmenter on [TS]

  this morning's daily edition and she's a [TS]

  designer a very talented designer and [TS]

  she was saying well I have a 27-inch [TS]

  screen here and she said you know the [TS]

  whole reason that I bought the 27-inch [TS]

  screen is because I very often have [TS]

  multiple windows side-by-side I don't [TS]

  want to switch between them I might be [TS]

  developing a web page in one brand a [TS]

  browser window and have Photoshop [TS]

  we're here and have an editor over here [TS]

  and she's got them all on the same [TS]

  screen so she doesn't want to switch [TS]

  back and forth between full screen apps [TS]

  in that situation and so she bought a [TS]

  big screen but everything about the way [TS]

  that the launch pad works everything [TS]

  about the way that a lot of the things [TS]

  work in Lyon they imagine not only that [TS]

  you have a smaller size screen because [TS]

  who wants to have Safari full screen Don [TS]

  27-inch and that's crazy but they also [TS]

  to work correctly you really want to [TS]

  have a trackpad you don't want a mouse [TS]

  you know even yes okay the Magic Mouse [TS]

  can do some scrolling but the trackpad [TS]

  is where it's at for all these gestures [TS]

  so it really it's like lion is designed [TS]

  with a laptop user in mind I'm not [TS]

  saying this is a bad thing I think it's [TS]

  a great thing but at the same time a lot [TS]

  of what's being touted is the great [TS]

  features the cool new stuff is stuff [TS]

  that's only really going to make sense [TS]

  for a certain kind of machine what do [TS]

  you think of that I think that's [TS]

  reasonable [TS]

  if you imagine from Apple's perspective [TS]

  they can say look we're selling tons of [TS]

  laptops but laptops are our compromised [TS]

  machine you know they're smaller you [TS]

  don't have a mouse which despite [TS]

  people's love for trackpad is a faster [TS]

  and more accurate input device they [TS]

  don't have multiple buttons like they do [TS]

  on the mouse you know or multiple [TS]

  virtual buttons even though they can try [TS]

  to kind of say press the upper right [TS]

  corner of the trackpad to right click [TS]

  and stuff like that it's it's a more [TS]

  constrained situation they say look what [TS]

  can we do to our OS to make these [TS]

  machines that apparently everybody loves [TS]

  to buy to make these a better experience [TS]

  so it seems like they're actually [TS]

  filling a gap they're saying people just [TS]

  want to buy laptops laptops are not as [TS]

  good as desktops in these ways how can [TS]

  we make our OS change our OS in a way [TS]

  that makes laptop users more efficient [TS]

  so I think that's that's admirable and [TS]

  it makes sense from the businesses [TS]

  perspective I don't well we'll talk [TS]

  about that one gets that line weather [TS]

  weather by doing that they're [TS]

  compromising the experience for desktop [TS]

  users in the process but you know it's [TS]

  it's a logical consequence of them [TS]

  selling mostly laptops I think there's [TS]

  also a little bit of iOS and B in there [TS]

  but [TS]

  get at all the line stuff yet I want to [TS]

  do Thunderbolt first okay and then [TS]

  that's fine we can talk about that one [TS]

  one other thing people are pointing out [TS]

  that oh well there's the Magic Trackpad [TS]

  and that's true [TS]

  and I have one so yeah you could you [TS]

  could use that they're not completely [TS]

  closing those people off and saying they [TS]

  you can't use it but if you if you were [TS]

  to Apple would never reveal this but if [TS]

  you were to find out how many magic [TS]

  trackpads were sold and not returned or [TS]

  how many are were sold and are actually [TS]

  in use yeah very small numbers and it's [TS]

  because a mouse is more efficient than a [TS]

  track that it doesn't mean that people [TS]

  like to use a mouse more but if you did [TS]

  some sort of contest where you had a [TS]

  bunch of squares in the screen people [TS]

  have to click them as fast as they can [TS]

  based on which one turned yellow or [TS]

  something [TS]

  mousers would destroy track bit oh yeah [TS]

  and any experience you know I mean I [TS]

  have one and I like it but I only use it [TS]

  in certain situations oh man right so I [TS]

  feel like even the efficiency concern is [TS]

  there especially for like pro users you [TS]

  know going to the other extreme is [TS]

  saying like at a certain point you have [TS]

  to abandon the mouse like Final Cut Pro [TS]

  users who have those colored keyboards [TS]

  where they just do everything through [TS]

  the keyboard because just any time they [TS]

  have to even reach for the mouse it cuts [TS]

  down there exactly so there's a long [TS]

  scale of people who want efficiency and [TS]

  offering a trackpad is a nice way of [TS]

  saying hey Desktop guys so you don't [TS]

  feel left out you can do some of these [TS]

  gestures too but really I think all of [TS]

  these features with the gestures and the [TS]

  fullscreen and everything are tailored [TS]

  to try to make the laptop piece of [TS]

  people potentially as efficient as [TS]

  desktop people try to close that gap and [TS]

  they they go back in the other direction [TS]

  just because people don't always want [TS]

  what's most efficient they want what [TS]

  they enjoy the most and some people [TS]

  enjoy dry pads so you know so [TS]

  Thunderbolt yeah so first question I [TS]

  have for you thunderbolt and until this [TS]

  came out it was called light peak but [TS]

  that was the cut was the code name for [TS]

  it but since Apple is really the first [TS]

  machine coming out with these ports you [TS]

  get the impression that Apple named it [TS]

  Thunderbolt well so that's that's the [TS]

  odd thing about this I mentioned I think [TS]

  I was like two shows ago we talked about [TS]

  a light peak yeah and you know it's for [TS]

  years and years light peak has been the [TS]

  the thing that's going to replace USB [TS]

  and stuff like that an Apple pretty much [TS]

  sat out the USB 3 thing because you can [TS]

  get PC [TS]

  with USB 3 yeah but Apple is not adding [TS]

  it to its computer as much to the [TS]

  chagrin of people who wanted a faster [TS]

  connection that's not firewire [TS]

  especially when they had that brief [TS]

  grade where they ditched firewire look [TS]

  if you're in the ditch far away give us [TS]

  something give us something that's fast [TS]

  if it's USB to stinks yeah my MacBook [TS]

  which is the original unity macbook not [TS]

  macbook pro but just regular MacBook [TS]

  which I inherited from my wife when she [TS]

  upgraded it does not have firewire and [TS]

  you know you think you know you can do [TS]

  without it but I'll tell you there have [TS]

  been so many times when I stopped man [TS]

  this thing doesn't have firewire even if [TS]

  400 give me something yeah I mean the [TS]

  target discommode stuff the stuff that [TS]

  you do with laptops with firewire even [TS]

  if you just need it once every two years [TS]

  that one time you need it you're pissed [TS]

  off in Austria very frustrating so so [TS]

  there was definitely something coming [TS]

  but light peak always had this sort of [TS]

  odor about it in that you know based on [TS]

  the name light peak it was gonna be an [TS]

  optical technology they're going to [TS]

  shine light through fiber optic cables [TS]

  blinking on and off really really fast [TS]

  which is great and very fast but who has [TS]

  obstacle cables anywhere in their house [TS]

  connected to anything it's not a [TS]

  technology that has widespread [TS]

  acceptance so there was so many [TS]

  questions like what can you can you make [TS]

  controller chips for optical connection [TS]

  cheaply on a mass scale what are the [TS]

  engineering issues involved there well [TS]

  how is their ability what about cables [TS]

  can they you know break or snap or in [TS]

  cold weather or something Oh what's you [TS]

  know you don't know you don't know [TS]

  anything about it unknown so from a [TS]

  consumers perspective it was always like [TS]

  light peak well it sounds really cool [TS]

  but I'm nervous about anything that I [TS]

  don't have experience but the same thing [TS]

  same thing from the engineering [TS]

  perspective where they're going to say [TS]

  so we currently make a bazillion USB [TS]

  cables we're going to change to make [TS]

  optical cables now an optical controller [TS]

  chips I don't know and so that was [TS]

  always keeping it in in the distant [TS]

  future but it by not using USB 3 the [TS]

  reason I could bring it up Michael I [TS]

  gotta do something there are faster [TS]

  firewire variants this firewire 1600 and [TS]

  3200 standards but it was it's pretty [TS]

  clear it's been pretty clear for years [TS]

  that the firewire thing just didn't [TS]

  catch on industry-wide even the video [TS]

  guys started changing the USB 2 for the [TS]

  consumer handhelds video cameras and [TS]

  stuff which is a shame because fara was [TS]

  really night but really nice bus and [TS]

  everything but [TS]

  you know it's just not happening so they [TS]

  had to do something and you had to think [TS]

  well maybe is going to be light peak and [TS]

  that's right up apples alley of like [TS]

  it'd be the first one to use this cool [TS]

  optical thing but as it turns out what [TS]

  they decided to do was launch it perhaps [TS]

  sooner than most people expected but not [TS]

  go with optical go with cobbler yeah the [TS]

  electronic version right and it's still [TS]

  the same bus the same protocol it's just [TS]

  the physical layer that that's that's [TS]

  different and you know you could go up [TS]

  the goal in the future and my [TS]

  understanding is the big advantage of [TS]

  optical over copper is the better range [TS]

  it's also faster and faster to light [TS]

  travels through current travels through [TS]

  the optical media faster than the [TS]

  electrons travel through the copper so [TS]

  doc do you think down the road then that [TS]

  will see Apple starting to make a move [TS]

  in that direction do you think that [TS]

  they've made a commitment to copper I [TS]

  don't think they're in the driver's seat [TS]

  for that and I think that the only way [TS]

  they'll move away from copper is if they [TS]

  hit the limit of it right now [TS]

  have you seen what they've done with it [TS]

  with Ethernet from you know one concert [TS]

  gigabit 10 gig Ethernet they just keep [TS]

  pressing and you can also run power over [TS]

  the copper and I don't think you can do [TS]

  that overall yeah well yeah they were [TS]

  just they would just run copper [TS]

  alongside it for power or something like [TS]

  that so I not to see optical anytime [TS]

  soon especially since they have just [TS]

  tons of overhead left in the copper it [TS]

  seems like with this with this protocol [TS]

  I and I think 10 gig Ethernet has an [TS]

  optical option for interconnect I forget [TS]

  what that is but all these standards are [TS]

  like well we're gonna stick with copper [TS]

  until we absolutely have to because it's [TS]

  just an unknown industry wide about [TS]

  consumer mass-market optical stuff [TS]

  obviously in the data center and [TS]

  everything you've got fire but channel [TS]

  East long standing standards that work [TS]

  but in the consumer realm people just [TS]

  aren't buying optical cables and [TS]

  plugging them into anything except for [TS]

  their I guess their stereo equipment for [TS]

  that one digital audio cable but those [TS]

  demands are much much less than sending [TS]

  you know hundreds of gigabits per second [TS]

  over cables and a big cluster of stuff [TS]

  so the other thing that struck me about [TS]

  thunderbolt which was the the new name [TS]

  for it which kind of makes sense because [TS]

  you don't to call something like peak if [TS]

  there's no light you know that's just [TS]

  kind of rubbing it in well Miss kinda is [TS]

  gonna be optical but we couldn't do it [TS]

  so like people I thought when the rumors [TS]

  came out that Thunderbolt was like [TS]

  firewire in that firewire it was Apple's [TS]

  trademark name for this I Triple E [TS]

  standard [TS]

  i Tripoli 1394 or something like that [TS]

  that was the lovely non interesting name [TS]

  of the standard but Apple trademarked [TS]

  firewire for its use and I believe Sony [TS]

  trademarked a link a couple people had [TS]

  different names for what was essentially [TS]

  the same standard but they wanted a [TS]

  brand that they owned so a nice offer [TS]

  Bolton oh that's it must be Apple's [TS]

  trademark for this thing they're doing [TS]

  exactly what they did with firewire they [TS]

  want their own name and it kind of [TS]

  bothers me when they have their own name [TS]

  because people would think though [TS]

  firewire isn't the same as ilink isn't [TS]

  the same as my TV has it I Triple E 1394 [TS]

  poor you know it's all the same thing [TS]

  but they don't realize it's individual [TS]

  companies branding it but when the [TS]

  initial official press releases came out [TS]

  you look and you see that Thunderbolt is [TS]

  Intel's trademark not Apple hmm so I [TS]

  don't know who named it but this is not [TS]

  a FireWire situation it's not a [TS]

  situation where Apple has their own name [TS]

  for this thing and we're gonna have to [TS]

  deal with this oh well you know you [TS]

  Apple people with your Thunderbolt ports [TS]

  well we in the PC world have something [TS]

  whatever it's going to be Thunderbolt [TS]

  everywhere apparently so I'm I was happy [TS]

  to see that because it it's a good [TS]

  decision by Apple I don't know who came [TS]

  up with the name but it's better to have [TS]

  a standard name across the industry than [TS]

  to have Apple special names because what [TS]

  advantages Apple really have from [TS]

  getting their own name [TS]

  didn't work out that well with firewire [TS]

  so let's try a different tactic this [TS]

  time um and the connector the connector [TS]

  is the other thing yeah went out [TS]

  whenever I did research on light peak [TS]

  this sort of brought up the whole how I [TS]

  hate USB connectors thing is that I [TS]

  would say like so this light peak is [TS]

  going to be the future like years and [TS]

  years ago saw light because gonna be the [TS]

  future I gotta look up to see what [TS]

  they're doing with these connectors so [TS]

  they're gonna screw it up again [TS]

  and every time I looked up a light B [TS]

  connector all I saw was a USB connector [TS]

  but like little optical cables poking [TS]

  out of the inside of it I said no not [TS]

  again this is this new standard it's a [TS]

  generation to leap form we have before [TS]

  you're going to use a USB connector um [TS]

  and up to the day before the [TS]

  announcement up to the day before like [TS]

  the the actually that rumor broke if you [TS]

  googled for like light peak connector or [TS]

  light peak demo or light peak prototype [TS]

  each largest USB and they never said [TS]

  like this is the connector right [TS]

  whenever they had demos at trade shows [TS]

  they use USB looking connectors so the [TS]

  the when the rumor came out in sort of [TS]

  picture it was it was the mini [TS]

  displayport thing with a little [TS]

  lightning bolt next to it and then they [TS]

  DisplayPort for people don't know it [TS]

  looks kind of like a square yeah it's [TS]

  like little trapezoid [TS]

  yeah shaved off corners of a square it's [TS]

  it's a externally asymmetrical [TS]

  yeah it really really really is I mean [TS]

  as far as ports go it's available get [TS]

  emails but it really is almost [TS]

  impossible to put in the wrong way well [TS]

  yeah well it here's the thing about that [TS]

  it's it's asymmetrical but barely like [TS]

  they should it's so small that yes they [TS]

  shaved off the corners of the rectangle [TS]

  so you can also can only go in one way [TS]

  but it's just barely just a little bit [TS]

  of the corner okay here's what Apple [TS]

  does with with all of the ports on all [TS]

  of their all of their modern hardware [TS]

  and I'll tell you why I noticed this I [TS]

  was organizing this the studio here [TS]

  moving things around and I was moving [TS]

  the shelf that the g4 cube was on which [TS]

  still is one of the coolest whether it [TS]

  was practical or not is did probably not [TS]

  but it one of the coolest Mac's that [TS]

  Apple ever made and I had moved and I [TS]

  had set it down and I noticed the [TS]

  underside of it when you look at it [TS]

  right now if you if you got a Mac [TS]

  especially if it's a portable look at [TS]

  the side and you'll see where the ports [TS]

  are and the ports are actually recessed [TS]

  into the machine about an eighth of an [TS]

  inch there so you're dealing with a [TS]

  solid aluminum piece of metal that is [TS]

  guiding the insertion of your mini [TS]

  displayport and all the ports you're [TS]

  stealing my thunder here man I made that [TS]

  whole point about bending the connectors [TS]

  the beginning it'll be the payoff all [TS]

  right now you jumped right in man oh you [TS]

  do it I was gonna light goes to show [TS]

  that great and for 18 I think alike yeah [TS]

  but but if you look at the bottom of [TS]

  this g4 cube it looks just like one of [TS]

  the crappy pcs that you buy it has it [TS]

  has all the little aluminum casings just [TS]

  bent out in little flat I mean it looks [TS]

  terrible I have to take I'll have to [TS]

  take a picture of and post it into the [TS]

  show notes or something but it mean it [TS]

  looks it by today's standards apples to [TS]

  the standards today it looks like a [TS]

  piece of junk under there and these [TS]

  ports that they have on the side are [TS]

  so even though it's just shaved you're [TS]

  saying continue yeah well I was going to [TS]

  say is that even though it is just [TS]

  barely asymmetrical and if you look at [TS]

  it quickly you might think it's just [TS]

  rectangular all of the the laptops at [TS]

  least have that aluminum shell that is [TS]

  very hard and very precisely machined [TS]

  especially in a unibody thing or they're [TS]

  you know cut with those high speed [TS]

  cutting tools or lasers or whatever it [TS]

  is yeah the tolerances are really really [TS]

  tight so even though this connector you [TS]

  know all is just barely has the corners [TS]

  cut off it's very clear that you just [TS]

  won't go in the other way [TS]

  now I suppose if you were determined ape [TS]

  trying to smash this thing in there what [TS]

  what you could possibly do is deform the [TS]

  plug itself to conform to the aluminum I [TS]

  really don't think you're going to have [TS]

  any success bending or deforming the [TS]

  aluminum the precision cut aluminum [TS]

  around that shape so maybe if you [TS]

  manhandle it enough to deform the plug [TS]

  so that it started to become rounded and [TS]

  it could go on backwards maybe you could [TS]

  get it in backwards people come right in [TS]

  and tell me if they successfully plugged [TS]

  into mini displayport backwards but that [TS]

  that aluminum shell on apple's machines [TS]

  really goes a long way towards helping [TS]

  the connectors not be put in backwards [TS]

  because it's hard a hard [TS]

  thunk where you just try to put it in [TS]

  there and it says nope not going this [TS]

  way you've got it wrong turn it around [TS]

  and they have the logos and everything [TS]

  up and down so maybe it's not this is [TS]

  what happens when connectors gets [TS]

  smaller you still wanted to be [TS]

  asymmetrical but as the connector gets [TS]

  smaller how you know the the asymmetry [TS]

  becomes you know just a few millimeters [TS]

  here and there shaved off one edge and [TS]

  apples quality design really goes a long [TS]

  way towards helping like that better and [TS]

  even even on the it's getting to be the [TS]

  same way on the Mac Pros and the IMAX 2 [TS]

  because they all have that aluminum [TS]

  shell and the thing can i pro still have [TS]

  plastic grommets around it which makes [TS]

  it a little bit looser but I think the [TS]

  IMAX are also sort of high-speed machine [TS]

  cut or laser cut openings for the plugs [TS]

  that just barely fit them in there so [TS]

  apples definitely got a leg up there so [TS]

  using the mini DisplayPort as the [TS]

  connector is good from a connector [TS]

  perspective I guess it's small but it's [TS]

  good that's future proof because these [TS]

  laptops are just going to get thinner [TS]

  right and you wouldn't want this big [TS]

  honkin connector being a limiting factor [TS]

  in how big your laptop is although it [TS]

  kind of makes it so now like the rj45 [TS]

  for the Ethernet [TS]

  is the limit is the limiting factor if [TS]

  you really want to have Ethernet I guess [TS]

  you can't make your laptop any you know [TS]

  thinner than an Ethernet port maybe [TS]

  they'll have to come up with like mini [TS]

  Ethernet or something like that but [TS]

  that's the interesting thing about [TS]

  Thunderbolt is that well first of all [TS]

  there already was a mini DisplayPort [TS]

  there and people still want to use their [TS]

  mini DisplayPort and so now you're [TS]

  saying this is a Thunderbolt port what [TS]

  does what does this mean can I not plug [TS]

  in my monitor now you can still plug in [TS]

  your monitor to work like at a display [TS]

  port what they've done with thunderbolt [TS]

  is they have DisplayPort protocol [TS]

  running alongside essentially an [TS]

  extension of PCI Express which is a [TS]

  high-speed bus that was formerly just [TS]

  confined to inside the machine exactly [TS]

  video cards and stuff like that and [TS]

  that's a big deal right and it's going [TS]

  alongside the DisplayPort protocol and [TS]

  that's sort of the nature of this of the [TS]

  Thunderbolt system is that it's a [TS]

  virtual extension of two different buses [TS]

  so from the perspective of any device [TS]

  that has a Thunderbolt controller in it [TS]

  when it gets a signal over over the [TS]

  Thunderbolt [TS]

  you know cable it's decoded by the [TS]

  Thunderbolt controller and then the [TS]

  device thinks is just plugged into [TS]

  whatever the protocol is so if you [TS]

  tunnel you know USB over the device [TS]

  after it gets past the Thunderbolt [TS]

  controller in the device the rest of the [TS]

  device thinks is just connected to USB [TS]

  directly and the same thing if you had a [TS]

  display that had a Thunderbolt [TS]

  controller in it the it would you know [TS]

  decode the DisplayPort protocol and then [TS]

  the rest of the monitor would think oh [TS]

  I'm connected directly to DisplayPort [TS]

  and same thing for many different [TS]

  protocols tunneling different protocols [TS]

  over this one bus is is the big feature [TS]

  and that's why I think well you know at [TS]

  a certain point if that rj45 becomes a [TS]

  limiting factor in the thickness of your [TS]

  laptops how about we ditch it and just [TS]

  have four yeah blender ports under ports [TS]

  yes Thunderbolt ports on the side and [TS]

  then you just have a series of dongles [TS]

  and adapters and annoying stuff like [TS]

  that but in theory you could tunnel [TS]

  these different protocols over this one [TS]

  bus as long as every device connected to [TS]

  it has a thunderbolt decoder thing [TS]

  inside it and that's that's the problem [TS]

  with where we are now in this the [TS]

  dawning age of thunderbolt in it the [TS]

  mini DisplayPort monitors the Apple [TS]

  cells don't have Thunderbolt controllers [TS]

  in them [TS]

  wasn't even released when they were made [TS]

  right they just want to speak [TS]

  mini-display port so you can plug that [TS]

  into the mini displayport and it will [TS]

  get the DisplayPort protocol right over [TS]

  at node encoding this is running [TS]

  alongside and if you have a chain of [TS]

  Thunderbolt devices with theoretical [TS]

  Thunderbolt devices I don't know but [TS]

  anything's even been announced yet but [TS]

  if you had a daisy chain of them if you [TS]

  put the monitor as the last item in the [TS]

  in the chain then the DisplayPort that's [TS]

  been running alongside all the other [TS]

  data on this bus previously will go [TS]

  directly into the monitor and the [TS]

  monitor will read it and do what it does [TS]

  now you can't it has to be the end of [TS]

  the chain because all its all the [TS]

  monitor is going to be reading is the [TS]

  DisplayPort signal it doesn't know [TS]

  anything about you know the PCI Express [TS]

  stuff that's coming over there and it's [TS]

  just ignoring it entirely and it [TS]

  certainly can't pass it on to any other [TS]

  Thunderbolt devices so that's why it has [TS]

  to be in the end of the chain so it's [TS]

  going to be a long time before we start [TS]

  getting devices with these controllers [TS]

  in them Intel in its usual way I'm sure [TS]

  is going to try to make these [TS]

  controllers as cheap as possible and [TS]

  give them out like candy to everybody so [TS]

  they can put them in all their devices [TS]

  and you'll get hubs and switches and [TS]

  Thunderbolt apparently is able to be in [TS]

  lots of different topologies not just a [TS]

  chain but star patterns and all sorts of [TS]

  other arrangement so I don't know if [TS]

  they're going to be called hubs or [TS]

  switches I think they'd be called [TS]

  switches because apparently it's a [TS]

  switch to fabric and not really a bus [TS]

  but right now let's say there were and [TS]

  here's here's what other people in the [TS]

  chat room at first were kind of asking [TS]

  about and there's a I don't know if you [TS]

  linked it up but there's a really great [TS]

  article on Mac worldcom that answers a [TS]

  lot of these questions and like in the [TS]

  show notes go okay perfect [TS]

  so right now these adapters don't exist [TS]

  but when they come out you will be able [TS]

  to plug in any USB device or firewire [TS]

  device into my thunder bolt and port [TS]

  with one of these adapters [TS]

  yeah and in most cases it's not you're [TS]

  not getting the full promise of the bus [TS]

  because so you get one of these adapters [TS]

  and you plug in a USB thing oh great now [TS]

  you turned your Thunder hole as I was [TS]

  earlier in it I turned your one under [TS]

  hole into into another USB port so [TS]

  instead of your machine having two USB [TS]

  ports now has three but you can't then [TS]

  daisy chain another Thunderbolt device [TS]

  on that because your USB the [TS]

  just thinks it's speaking USB it's not [TS]

  going to pass on no it's not you're [TS]

  basically you're essentially you're [TS]

  terminating it as a USB port but but you [TS]

  could you could take you could take a [TS]

  mouse and put it on that adapter if you [TS]

  wanted yeah what you'd really need that [TS]

  would be some kind of if you wanted to [TS]

  really maximize this so how is there a [TS]

  limit of the number of devices that you [TS]

  can have in a change it's something like [TS]

  six or some scuzzy ish number is the [TS]

  limit there's also a length limit it's [TS]

  just like any other chaining protocol [TS]

  you've got a maximum cable length limit [TS]

  for a copper and you've also got a [TS]

  maximum number of devices but I think is [TS]

  six or seven including the host or [TS]

  something okay so if you went out there [TS]

  and you bought a legitimate Thunderbolt [TS]

  device the Thunderbolt Drive let's say [TS]

  you plug that in then you get another [TS]

  Thunderbolt drive you plug that in all [TS]

  of these are daisy chaining so that [TS]

  means that each one of these devices is [TS]

  probably going to need to have two ports [TS]

  on it one as the pass-through and one is [TS]

  that which which a USB device typically [TS]

  does not have but firewire devices [TS]

  frequently do have I have a few drives [TS]

  and have two ports for this reason right [TS]

  machine firewire is more like this kind [TS]

  of bus it's not like USB words [TS]

  master/slave firewire as independent [TS]

  devices and that's why they can pass on [TS]

  the information and like firewire [TS]

  thunder Thunderbolt is full speed [TS]

  pass-through so if you have some device [TS]

  that's in the middle of the chain it's [TS]

  not doing anything it's not slowing down [TS]

  any other devices which is unlike USB [TS]

  where if you put you know a slow speed [TS]

  USB device on the same connector as a [TS]

  high speed device in the same chain of [TS]

  wires it will slow stuff down right so [TS]

  even if the device itself doesn't have [TS]

  the ability you know let's say you put a [TS]

  hard drive on there and the hard drive [TS]

  can only do you know it's it's a SATA 3 [TS]

  device that that's actually slower then [TS]

  the speed that Thunderbolt could could [TS]

  handle but that that is not going to [TS]

  slow down right other devices on that [TS]

  chain and realistically speaking there [TS]

  are very few hard consumer hard drives [TS]

  that can even max out like a wimpy [TS]

  firewire port or firewire 800 port you [TS]

  need like a raid or some other or an SSD [TS]

  or something to do that so and this is [TS]

  you know 10 times faster than that or [TS]

  whatever it is right so it's not it's [TS]

  not going to be the devices are not [TS]

  going to limit you and it's great that [TS]

  the [TS]

  speed of the devices will just it just [TS]

  leaves more overhead for everyone else [TS]

  to to send their data but the reason [TS]

  these machines are transitional so [TS]

  they've just got one Thunder hole on [TS]

  there so if you've got this port you're [TS]

  like well I gotta hook up my monitor and [TS]

  that's it you're out if you're out of [TS]

  luck no more [TS]

  sorry no more no more or you know this [TS]

  great Thunderbolt thing you thought was [TS]

  great well you just plug your monitor [TS]

  into it and the reason is only one of [TS]

  them is like well we can't put seven [TS]

  Thunderbolt ports in this machine when [TS]

  there is zero Thunderbolt devices to [TS]

  plug into it it would just look like a [TS]

  whole bunch of mini displayport it [TS]

  wouldn't make any sense [TS]

  you can't even connect multiple monitors [TS]

  to it because well your monitors don't [TS]

  have thunderbolt controllers in them [TS]

  yeah you can't you know you can't put [TS]

  two monitors on there right so if you [TS]

  bought one of these new Mac MacBook Pros [TS]

  and you you plugged in your DisplayPort [TS]

  you know that they're a political [TS]

  happening it's just a minute DisplayPort [TS]

  so in order for you to actually use one [TS]

  of your existing monitors with alongside [TS]

  of another Thunderbolt device you would [TS]

  have to then plug it into the other [TS]

  Thunderbolt device or get some kind of [TS]

  switch first some kind of switch or up [TS]

  I'm well interesting to see what kind of [TS]

  products we have there but but yeah it's [TS]

  it's check an egg you know so that's why [TS]

  that's why this is a transitional [TS]

  machine it's kind of the brilliance of [TS]

  making it part of the mini displayport [TS]

  because if you don't care about [TS]

  Thunderbolt fine pretend a little [TS]

  lightning bolt icon isn't there it's [TS]

  exactly the same as the previous [TS]

  architecture in terms of the ports that [TS]

  you have available to you they didn't [TS]

  remove any reports you still got mini [TS]

  DisplayPort pretend Thunderbolt doesn't [TS]

  exist and just wait another generation [TS]

  or two years or whatever until there's [TS]

  lots of Thunderbolt hubs and switches [TS]

  and devices and stuff like that [TS]

  this is going to I think it'll be a [TS]

  smooth transition but it's also going to [TS]

  be a little bit of a slow one in that [TS]

  even if there are hundreds of devices [TS]

  available the most thunderbolt ports [TS]

  anyone has on an image Apple machine [TS]

  right now is one and it's one port that [TS]

  already has contention for people who [TS]

  use external monitors so to just kind of [TS]

  cap this off a little bit we're I [TS]

  predict anywhere that a machine already [TS]

  has a mini displayport it - given that [TS]

  that's going to be a thunderbolt port so [TS]

  that doesn't that means all the desktop [TS]

  machines as well and it I think the Mac [TS]

  world article made it pretty clear why [TS]

  it was incredibly unlikely if if darn [TS]

  near impossible that we should ever [TS]

  expect well not ever but anytime in the [TS]

  near term [TS]

  to see a thunderbolt port on anything [TS]

  but max in other words not on iPads not [TS]

  on iPhones I don't think it's out of the [TS]

  realm of possibility on iPads I think [TS]

  it's too big for an iPhone right now I [TS]

  think we'll see it on the iPad 2 being [TS]

  announced next week I don't think so I [TS]

  put it a really low probability but [TS]

  there's no reason you couldn't like [TS]

  people have been asking for some sort of [TS]

  port on the iPad I'll put a put a usb on [TS]

  it was plenty of room on the case for a [TS]

  USB port to go this plenty room inside [TS]

  that thing for you to find the little [TS]

  place for these circuits and everything [TS]

  it's just a matter of what you know is [TS]

  that something that Apple wants to do [TS]

  someday when Apple's transitioned most [TS]

  of its Hardware lying to mostly [TS]

  Thunderbolt ports I think is a [TS]

  possibility you could see one on an iPad [TS]

  not as your replacement for the dock [TS]

  connector just because but just to sort [TS]

  of round out the family of hey [TS]

  Thunderbolt it's on everything and plug [TS]

  them all in Plus Thunderbolt does carry [TS]

  power like are actually carries a little [TS]

  bit more power than firewire not that I [TS]

  think you would want to charge your iPad [TS]

  over it but what we should well we will [TS]

  see though our dock connectors that [TS]

  terminate as a thunderbolt port I [TS]

  predict pretty soon maybe III don't know [TS]

  how fast Apple wants to take this [TS]

  transition this is a very cautious first [TS]

  step and with all these types of things [TS]

  you really want it to go well and you [TS]

  don't they'll sell in it and like for 10 [TS]

  bucks 15 bucks you couldn't buy one oh [TS]

  it has to be 30 bucks and you can't come [TS]

  out of that well start about spending [TS]

  these thirty dollars you would be run a [TS]

  piece of clear plastic yeah right the [TS]

  socks cost 30 bucks [TS]

  yeah it's anyone who could do it like [TS]

  you know a Belkin could make one that [TS]

  does that or something I think that you [TS]

  know if you can you just make it look [TS]

  like USB right I'm not sure that if you [TS]

  bought one of those from Belkin and it [TS]

  wasn't officially licensed from Apple [TS]

  that it would continue to work with the [TS]

  next line of of iPods but I think the [TS]

  the dock connector replacement is still [TS]

  up in the air maybe someday it could be [TS]

  a thunderbolt port with a smaller [TS]

  connector but right now even though many [TS]

  display board is small I think it's [TS]

  pushing the limit of like I don't think [TS]

  you could put that on the current iPod [TS]

  touch it would just be too big never [TS]

  mind that it wouldn't carry all the [TS]

  other things that the 30-pin connector [TS]

  carries with all the different you know [TS]

  analog video and audio and higher power [TS]

  and blah blah blah [TS]

  anything that I'll say about this [TS]

  Thunderbolt Thunder I had some links in [TS]

  the show notes about security concerns [TS]

  about the fact that like firewire [TS]

  devices have full access to the machines [TS]

  memory this is not really something new [TS]

  but you'll see some stories about it but [TS]

  I think we have to move on to Lion at [TS]

  this point yeah I think we do so I'll [TS]

  leave the link in the show notes people [TS]

  can read it if they want but I like [TS]

  brief summary is that uh I don't think [TS]

  it's a big deal but it is something [TS]

  Apple should think about okay for the [TS]

  future all right Lion [TS]

  yeah let's spend a few minutes online [TS]

  can only talk about certain things we [TS]

  already had that disclaimer yeah so what [TS]

  I did was I just pulled the stuff out of [TS]

  Apple's press release because that's a [TS]

  good starting point because prior to [TS]

  this development releases the first time [TS]

  developers have been able to download [TS]

  and install Lion anyone outside Apple as [TS]

  far as I know maybe Adobe and Microsoft [TS]

  in earlier versions but probably not [TS]

  right um Apple did a preview back in [TS]

  October of last year or something I [TS]

  think where they had a guy up there on [TS]

  stage and he would look at these [TS]

  features is what we've added full screen [TS]

  apps isn't a knight gestures to change [TS]

  stuff around and he was showing the Mac [TS]

  App Store and isn't this cool and we're [TS]

  gonna release this for for Snow Leopard [TS]

  and a couple other things and you really [TS]

  had to read the tea leaves on that demo [TS]

  you really had to like you know frame [TS]

  advance through the video to see wait a [TS]

  second what's what's going on in the end [TS]

  dots underneath the running applications [TS]

  not there anymore is that is that just [TS]

  because of this build or is that [TS]

  something they're trying to do and [TS]

  what's up with the scroll bars like you [TS]

  just had to look at it and then and try [TS]

  to figure out what they were saying [TS]

  same thing with spaces we talked about [TS]

  that in a few different shows that they [TS]

  keep mentioning spaces and how Mission [TS]

  Control is combining all these things [TS]

  including space but they never demoed [TS]

  spaces so our space is even there and [TS]

  and then we had another show where [TS]

  someone pointed out that you know it's [TS]

  not an apples website like if you go to [TS]

  their lion website it says you know [TS]

  Mission Control combined spaces in blah [TS]

  blah blah and then when the yesterday [TS]

  when they did the revision of the web [TS]

  site in this release then spaces got [TS]

  removed from the lion page I made it [TS]

  right space is there in space not there [TS]

  but then someone found another web page [TS]

  and said so it's really helium reading [TS]

  but the upshot of all of this was that [TS]

  you really didn't know what lion was [TS]

  going to be is this going to be like [TS]

  Snow Leopard where you get one or two [TS]

  little features and some a cap star [TS]

  stuff that we've already seen and some [TS]

  stuff for laptop users but it's like a [TS]

  dinky really [TS]

  and then all the sudden comes this press [TS]

  release it's like here's the stuff we're [TS]

  adding in in Lyon and it's tons of like [TS]

  crazy internal stuff and big you know [TS]

  and user features and stuff like that [TS]

  definitely more and then I thought so [TS]

  let me just quickly rattle off the [TS]

  things they listed here first they [TS]

  listed a new verb [TS]

  listed a new verb [TS]

  in a mail that looks more like the iPad [TS]

  version I don't know why that was one [TS]

  but whatever airdrop a remarkable way to [TS]

  a remarkably simple way to copy files [TS]

  Wireless from one Mac to another with no [TS]

  setup you're like is this some sort of [TS]

  Dropbox competitor I can say that some [TS]

  people said they have not had this [TS]

  problem but I have a room with a couple [TS]

  Mac's and in here and I'm constantly [TS]

  annoyed by how difficult and annoying it [TS]

  is to take a file from one Mac and send [TS]

  it to the other Mac that's five feet [TS]

  away yeah it's like five steps to do I'm [TS]

  gonna do AFP and mount the thing it [TS]

  takes a million years to show up and [TS]

  then it's slow to list the thing you got [TS]

  to drag the file over it almost makes [TS]

  you just want to have lot Dropbox on [TS]

  both machines and do everything Dropbox [TS]

  dropper tool and syncing yeah that's [TS]

  like oh airdrop by Apple's maybe [TS]

  recognizing this need you know but I [TS]

  don't really know what airdrop is it's [TS]

  just this thing but that's that's a [TS]

  significant feature because people have [TS]

  been asking for now you just drag it to [TS]

  the person's name it'll show their [TS]

  picture yeah I saw that and this is [TS]

  actually something I can talk about [TS]

  because I literally did not try this [TS]

  online yet I forgot all about it while I [TS]

  was using it last night so I have I know [TS]

  nothing about airdrop other than what [TS]

  I've seen on the websites but yeah it [TS]

  looks like it all comes down to [TS]

  performance and reliability [TS]

  people love Dropbox because you just [TS]

  shove stuff into it in sinks period gun [TS]

  no weird errors no lag no spinning [TS]

  beachballs nothing like that if your [TS]

  drop can do that [TS]

  thumbs up but that's that's a [TS]

  significant feature versions which [TS]

  automatically saves successive versions [TS]

  of your document anyone who knows [TS]

  anything about version control or [TS]

  software development is excited by this [TS]

  because this is significant feature [TS]

  you're gonna make this an OS level [TS]

  feature or applications can have [TS]

  multiple versions their files and [TS]

  present a UI to the user in a way that [TS]

  they understand you know developers know [TS]

  the values of version control but [TS]

  regular users don't and in that typical [TS]

  Apple way like all they're gonna they're [TS]

  going to make this easy for regular [TS]

  people just like they did with Time [TS]

  Machine where they had you know backups [TS]

  that geeks knew how to do but they [TS]

  wanted to make backup so the regular [TS]

  people could do it [TS]

  versions I said a significant feature [TS]

  which you know you heard nothing about [TS]

  before yesterday resume which [TS]

  conveniently brings your apps back [TS]

  exactly how you left them well that's [TS]

  kind of been in the air because that's [TS]

  how iOS apps look you know i OS apps [TS]

  were all the time where the guideline is [TS]

  when you someone hits that home button [TS]

  if they relaunch your app bring it back [TS]

  to like like it was before so they [TS]

  shouldn't know whether your application [TS]

  was quit or whether it was just put into [TS]

  the background and brought back forward [TS]

  and now they're trying to bring out to [TS]

  the Mac which I love because I love mac [TS]

  applications that save state that I [TS]

  think my maybe my second blog post ever [TS]

  on ours when I started my ours blog many [TS]

  years ago which was after I've been [TS]

  writing there for a while but the first [TS]

  blog post was about how I loved [TS]

  applications at save state specifically [TS]

  web browsers where when you quit the web [TS]

  browser and bring it back all your pages [TS]

  that you previously had open or their [TS]

  you know the scroll positions are the [TS]

  same that's what I wanted I wanted [TS]

  everything to be the same just how I [TS]

  left it you know down to like what I [TS]

  partially entered into a form or [TS]

  anything like that now you have to you [TS]

  have to point out to only apps that are [TS]

  updated for line that will hi I'm just [TS]

  talking about to say general in the [TS]

  future like why is this is a convenient [TS]

  feature have like my favorite text [TS]

  editor BBEdit [TS]

  has a command called sleep BB edit and I [TS]

  actually have command Q mapped to that [TS]

  command instead of quit I never quit BB [TS]

  it that way sleep it and sleep BB edit [TS]

  is the thing that tells it take all the [TS]

  current documents that you have open and [TS]

  even if they're unsaved they've unsaved [TS]

  changes they're untitled documents empty [TS]

  windows whatever they are just remember [TS]

  all of them and then exit and then when [TS]

  you launch the program the next time it [TS]

  restores all that all the windows [TS]

  exactly where they were in the exact [TS]

  same positions be exact same intense [TS]

  with the eye same unsaved changes and [TS]

  this is you know well before lion or [TS]

  anything this features from there and I [TS]

  love it it makes my life better so now [TS]

  what Apple is trying to do is get [TS]

  everybody to do that [TS]

  and they're going to try to provide API [TS]

  is for it or whatever whatever way they [TS]

  can make it so that you know it becomes [TS]

  this more social pressure to do that [TS]

  because right now very few applications [TS]

  do it BB edit does it a couple other [TS]

  ones so far even won't do it Safari has [TS]

  restore windows from previous session [TS]

  but it doesn't do it automatically [TS]

  unlike chrome does it and Firefox do it [TS]

  automatically if you want them to so far [TS]

  you start to hit that command to tell it [TS]

  to restore windows and that always bugs [TS]

  so I'm glad to see that but this is a [TS]

  significant effort from the platform [TS]

  they're they're going to change the way [TS]

  all Mac applications work through social [TS]

  pressure and providing an API autosave [TS]

  same thing that's the next feature they [TS]

  list iOS apps do it there's no explicit [TS]

  save command people like that for years [TS]

  various Mac applications have done it [TS]

  one where the other apples going to try [TS]

  to move that forward by saying we're [TS]

  going to give you some way to make it [TS]

  easier for your applications to autosave [TS]

  to make it [TS]

  some more applications work like that [TS]

  got to like the new file vault I feel [TS]

  like it should have been like 18 T or [TS]

  Verizon or whatever whatever company was [TS]

  renamed to become Verizon where the name [TS]

  file vault now has so much negative [TS]

  connotations and publicity that it would [TS]

  have been better for them to pick a new [TS]

  name for this feature but it's basically [TS]

  a completely new feature that just [TS]

  reusing the brand they're doing full [TS]

  disk encryption which we should have [TS]

  talked about as part of the vault to [TS]

  backup thing but we never got to I just [TS]

  I want to add on on Twitter from one [TS]

  source is saying that the 10.7 resume [TS]

  resume also works after a reboot yeah I [TS]

  could talk about that but then I'd be [TS]

  breaking India that's what someone says [TS]

  on Twitter that's interesting isn't it [TS]

  yeah um I don't I don't know if that's [TS]

  true or not so on file vault instead of [TS]

  just encrypting your home directory or [TS]

  encrypting a portion of your disk or [TS]

  making an encrypted disk image that gets [TS]

  mounted with your home directory and all [TS]

  these sorts of weird things that were [TS]

  compromises that various applications [TS]

  didn't work well with and sometimes [TS]

  apples on applications didn't work well [TS]

  with yeah I'm at trouble with and [TS]

  everything they're just going to do the [TS]

  whole disk we're gonna crypt your entire [TS]

  disk and do it in a way that's [TS]

  transparent to applications so that just [TS]

  the application it just looks like a [TS]

  regular disk but deep deep down under [TS]

  the covers everything is encrypted and [TS]

  it's nice to see that built in because [TS]

  as part of my job my I have to use whole [TS]

  disk encryption at work now do you think [TS]

  would it if I don't know we never we [TS]

  haven't had this conversation yet which [TS]

  is one I definitely want to talk about [TS]

  your full disk encryption thing but do [TS]

  you think that one of the things that [TS]

  I've seen a lot in companies especially [TS]

  ones that require something like full [TS]

  disk encryption they they want to use [TS]

  something that they know whether it's [TS]

  PGP or something else at some vetted [TS]

  application and has certain [TS]

  certifications do you think that [TS]

  companies especially the kind that would [TS]

  require that do you think they'd be [TS]

  open-minded and say sure we can use [TS]

  apples it's it's as good as we think it [TS]

  is or do you think it'll take a while [TS]

  for the room to be able to adopt that [TS]

  I'm not talking about you know the [TS]

  designer who sitting in a coffee shop [TS]

  you know in case their laptop gets [TS]

  stolen or whatever the independent IT [TS]

  consultant or whoever I'm talking about [TS]

  like companies it's not going to be the [TS]

  vetting so much because I'm sure they're [TS]

  just all using AES or some other [TS]

  encryption standard that you know the [TS]

  companies don't make their own [TS]

  encryption standard so they don't know [TS]

  if they're smart they use you know [TS]

  industry standard ones that have been [TS]

  proven mathematically over many years so [TS]

  on and so forth [TS]

  but what's going to what's going to hurt [TS]

  Apple in this regard like this is why [TS]

  perhaps my company wouldn't let me use [TS]

  the full disk encryption it's because [TS]

  the existing products out there like PGP [TS]

  full disk encryption which is what I use [TS]

  are cross-platform so they use PGP whole [TS]

  disk encryption and is a server [TS]

  component to it where you can like [TS]

  revoke keys and get remote access and do [TS]

  stuff or whatever from a centralized [TS]

  server with many different kinds of [TS]

  clients Mac clients PC clients if you [TS]

  use Apple's thing suddenly your PGP [TS]

  server or whatever can't has no idea [TS]

  what's going on over there because [TS]

  there's no as far as I know there's no [TS]

  server component that works across Macs [TS]

  and PCs that you know handles the [TS]

  situation and you know the IT [TS]

  departments they love to have the server [TS]

  component they love to have the to [TS]

  remotely access and control so I don't [TS]

  think we'd you know PGP is going to be [TS]

  out of business by this I just think for [TS]

  his PCP PGP is a little bit of an [TS]

  enterprise product and I would imagine [TS]

  people only install it you know as part [TS]

  of their jobs this whole disk encryption [TS]

  thing is going to be easy enough I think [TS]

  for people to use privately and since [TS]

  Apple is selling tons and tons of [TS]

  laptops and laptops get lost or stolen [TS]

  it's I think it's a good idea to make it [TS]

  easy for regular people without IT [TS]

  departments to decide I want my whole [TS]

  laptop encrypted and so if we get stolen [TS]

  or something I have I have a little bit [TS]

  of extra protection and maybe they'll [TS]

  have some sort of remote way to revoke [TS]

  the key are involved in it I think I [TS]

  read that somewhere in the PR that [TS]

  through mobile me or something just so [TS]

  you can like locate your stolen iMac or [TS]

  whatever by its Wi-Fi address you'll [TS]

  also be able to remotely wipe it the [TS]

  same way you can remotely wipe iPhones [TS]

  via an enterprise type thing I can [TS]

  imagine a webpage where if your laptop [TS]

  gets stolen you quickly log into your [TS]

  mobile media then click some button and [TS]

  it revokes all the keys on your you know [TS]

  the next time your laptop comes online [TS]

  it revokes all the keys on it and that [TS]

  will thwart any you know amateur non [TS]

  hacker thief which steals your laptop [TS]

  because they're going to turn and plug [TS]

  it in try to go to youtube and then the [TS]

  whole thing's getting wiped I don't it [TS]

  says I write nothing and the ability to [TS]

  wipe your Mac instantaneously right from [TS]

  the press release so I haven't [TS]

  investigated that at all but Apple [TS]

  that's what Apple is saying and the [TS]

  final thing that lists is that they just [TS]

  throw this in there is the last [TS]

  the mangoes ten Lions server is now part [TS]

  of the Nagas ten lion it's not a [TS]

  separate product I don't know what that [TS]

  means [TS]

  I it doesn't mean do you have to pay [TS]

  extra for it or like you're saying the [TS]

  software comes in the disc and it's free [TS]

  we don't know anything about pricing [TS]

  like I can announce that but what what [TS]

  it sounds like they're saying is that [TS]

  and I mean again from if you go to the [TS]

  if you look at their lion page [TS]

  they say line server is now part of Mac [TS]

  OS 10 line it's easy to set up your Mac [TS]

  as a server and take advantage of the [TS]

  many services line has to offer okay so [TS]

  reading between the lines it sounds like [TS]

  they're saying it's easy to set up your [TS]

  Mac as a server the way they word that [TS]

  and you have to kind of tease out what [TS]

  they mean here my guess is that they [TS]

  have discontinued Lion server like it's [TS]

  not a separate product you don't have to [TS]

  pay any more because look they killed [TS]

  the Xserve yeah it makes perfect sense [TS]

  in terms of them pulling back from [TS]

  selling dedicated server products right [TS]

  again you know and this is not an NDA [TS]

  thing because we really don't know we [TS]

  have no idea what pricing is going to be [TS]

  like everything like that we don't know [TS]

  pricing on what lines going to be but I [TS]

  wouldn't be shocked if they decided to [TS]

  bundle it for free or for some nominal [TS]

  fee well here's here's what it says easy [TS]

  setup line server guides you through [TS]

  configuring your Mac as a server it [TS]

  provides local and remote administration [TS]

  users and groups calendaring mail blob [TS]

  up all in one place I mean they really [TS]

  make it seem like and I've set up Mac OS [TS]

  10 server before and it was always been [TS]

  a separate product a separate thing it [TS]

  was quite expensive the cheapest way you [TS]

  could get it was actually to buy a Mac [TS]

  Mini with server running and maybe is [TS]

  that is that going to be an option to [TS]

  you you know do you think will that be [TS]

  an option to to buy it installed that [TS]

  way I think they're going way down in [TS]

  price kind of like they did with [TS]

  aperture where it used to be I forget [TS]

  like $300 or something in aperture [TS]

  appeared in the Mac App Store was 80 [TS]

  bucks yeah Mac OS x server was already [TS]

  cheap because they didn't have a per [TS]

  user per seat fee sort of its [TS]

  traditional and server OS is to charge [TS]

  for the number of people using the [TS]

  server Apple always did [TS]

  unlimited client for like a thousand [TS]

  bucks or something which seems expensive [TS]

  to an individual but the companies if [TS]

  you have a lot of clients that's way [TS]

  cheaper than having to pay per seat so I [TS]

  think that it's going to keep going that [TS]

  direction make it cheaper and cheaper [TS]

  and cheaper [TS]

  will it be free will it be 50 bucks 80 [TS]

  bucks I don't know but it's not going to [TS]

  be a thousand I guarantee that [TS]

  yeah I mean there might be 20 bucks more [TS]

  yeah so here's something that I want [TS]

  that it that it says on the page profile [TS]

  manager delivers simple profile based [TS]

  setup and management for Mac OS 10 Lion [TS]

  iPhone iPad and iPod touch devices [TS]

  that's interesting huh file sharing for [TS]

  iPad delivers Wireless file sharing for [TS]

  iPad enable web enabling WebDAV inline [TS]

  server gives iPad users the ability to [TS]

  access copy and share documents on the [TS]

  server for applications such as keynote [TS]

  numbers and pages yeah I'm not quite [TS]

  sure where the gong with the server [TS]

  thing it's clear they're going away from [TS]

  sort of enterprise server but it's more [TS]

  like to get into the realm of like what [TS]

  what is a personal server is that [TS]

  something that people want or interested [TS]

  in what does that look like because it [TS]

  really the idea of a personal server is [TS]

  more of a key concept at this point and [TS]

  if you were to ask individual what they [TS]

  might do with such a thing or what it [TS]

  even is they wouldn't really know I [TS]

  think my ghost end server these features [TS]

  that they're now branding is Mac OS 10 [TS]

  server are an in-between phase but [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff left over from [TS]

  the days when it was like your mail [TS]

  server for your company and they're [TS]

  trying to move it more towards what [TS]

  could you do in like a small business [TS]

  what will smash business yeah even home [TS]

  and home it starts to get a little bit [TS]

  weirder because I don't feel like [TS]

  they're even close to that that's all [TS]

  the show topic and in terms like having [TS]

  a server for the iLife suite and stuff [TS]

  like that they're not there yet maybe [TS]

  they'll go in that direction but clearly [TS]

  Mac what was formerly known as the [TS]

  product Mac os10 server needs to [TS]

  redefine itself in terms of the new age [TS]

  of Apple that's pulling away from that [TS]

  type of enterprise stuff maybe it will [TS]

  just wither and die and and the features [TS]

  that were part of server would just [TS]

  become regular features of the OS maybe [TS]

  you'll leave stuff behind like there's a [TS]

  family need a wiki server in their house [TS]

  maybe they do maybe they don't probably [TS]

  not I'm not him maybe if it's a very big [TS]

  yeah so they can you know do you know [TS]

  collaboratively do their grocery lists [TS]

  right instead of on Google Docs awesome [TS]

  things so it that's a product in [TS]

  transition but it's I think this is a [TS]

  natural consequence of them pulling back [TS]

  from [TS]

  the selling servers and everything um so [TS]

  I'm I'm the whole lion thing that list [TS]

  of features all of which I think every [TS]

  single one of those things we had not [TS]

  heard or seen before that's significant [TS]

  and coming out of nowhere this [TS]

  late-stage makes me a little bit [TS]

  panicked for writing my review because [TS]

  I'm like man I kind of learned about all [TS]

  these things and get up to speed on them [TS]

  before summer comes and this thing is [TS]

  released so it looks like lion is not [TS]

  going to be a wussy little release it's [TS]

  not it's not an easy alike it's gonna be [TS]

  more like 10.5 sighs yeah or more I mean [TS]

  it's and again it's visible just from [TS]

  just from these screenshots that have [TS]

  been published on on the web both by [TS]

  Apple and other places there are there [TS]

  are plenty of user interface changes [TS]

  that are some of which are not subtle [TS]

  they didn't even list that that's the [TS]

  interesting thing um yeah their press [TS]

  release does it look at all these [TS]

  features blah blah blah blah blah they [TS]

  didn't say oh and by the way everything [TS]

  looks crazy [TS]

  yeah it really moving screenshots [TS]

  regular people are going to say [TS]

  especially longtime Mac users that's the [TS]

  first thing that jumps out is you don't [TS]

  see these features that listen the press [TS]

  release you look at the screenshots you [TS]

  like say these look really different um [TS]

  you know looking again I'm on I'm on the [TS]

  Apple page here you can see the the [TS]

  maximize minimize buttons are [TS]

  significantly smaller I you can you can [TS]

  see that on most of most of these [TS]

  screenshots you can also see that the [TS]

  edges corners rather of all of the [TS]

  windows are rounded both tops and [TS]

  bottoms the scroll bars look different [TS]

  and another thing that's missing is the [TS]

  little I don't know what you call it but [TS]

  the little grabby ridges in the bottom [TS]

  right-hand corner that that show you [TS]

  where to grab and resize a window those [TS]

  are gone yeah the recess but this is [TS]

  this is the type of change where it's [TS]

  not just changing how things look they [TS]

  took features of the OS that people just [TS]

  take for granite like scroll bar yeah [TS]

  they're going to met they're going to [TS]

  mess with them yeah right like not not [TS]

  just the look of the scroll bars but if [TS]

  you look at them you know there are some [TS]

  screenshots where you're like there [TS]

  should be something more to scroll there [TS]

  but there's no scroll bar is when we saw [TS]

  that in the video and the idea when he's [TS]

  using the Mac App Store and stuff there [TS]

  was no scroll bar visible in the Mac App [TS]

  Store unless he was scrolling and then [TS]

  this weird eye [TS]

  little scrollbar thing appeared on the [TS]

  side right it's like and that's the way [TS]

  that's exactly what I was going to say [TS]

  is it so much like iOS is that if you if [TS]

  you feel like there's content you just [TS]

  kind of put your thumb on the screen and [TS]

  move it and they there's the content [TS]

  then and the scrollbar comes and goes [TS]

  when you need it and that's what they're [TS]

  doing here Apple Insider has a big [TS]

  gallery of leaked screenshots and I [TS]

  think on what pages us on on page four [TS]

  they have a screenshot of the appearance [TS]

  preference pane it's a good thing when [TS]

  if you when you're looking at these [TS]

  screenshots to realize this is the first [TS]

  developer release and even though Apple [TS]

  doesn't change significant stuff in the [TS]

  course of the developer releases stuff [TS]

  like what radio buttons appear in a [TS]

  particular you know preference pane or [TS]

  what options are available that stuff [TS]

  changes all the time so I wouldn't put [TS]

  too much stock in and what you see here [TS]

  and the arrangement of the controls [TS]

  maybe some of these will go away some [TS]

  one will become things that you have to [TS]

  you know run the default command to [TS]

  modify the plist manually for all sorts [TS]

  of things are in flux but but they show [TS]

  in the screenshot on the appearance [TS]

  preference pane is there's a new section [TS]

  called show scroll bars which already is [TS]

  crazy because if you're thinking about [TS]

  Mac leaving show scroll of course you [TS]

  showed the scroll how am I supposed to [TS]

  scroll if you don't show the scroll bars [TS]

  it's insanity to think since 1984 [TS]

  windows have had scroll bars on them and [TS]

  yes you have to show them otherwise how [TS]

  can I scroll but now there's an option [TS]

  and the options are show scroll bars [TS]

  automatically based on input device when [TS]

  scrolling or always now always seems [TS]

  like the you know well yeah I want you [TS]

  to show me the scroll bars always [TS]

  because it's a Mac right but when you [TS]

  look at the other ones when scrolling [TS]

  you think that must be what they were [TS]

  doing in that video right if demo in [TS]

  October because you only saw the scroll [TS]

  bars when when the guy demoing it was [TS]

  scrolling and automatically based on [TS]

  input device you can imagine as maybe I [TS]

  mean I don't know like input devices it [TS]

  must be mouse or trackpad or something [TS]

  and it makes a decision between the [TS]

  other two settings based on whether it [TS]

  thinks you're using a mouse or a [TS]

  trackpad that type of change that type [TS]

  of you know sacred cows it's as if they [TS]

  decided maybe we're not gonna have a [TS]

  menu bar at the top of the screen which [TS]

  from everything I've seen in the apples [TS]

  press material is not the case but [TS]

  they're just taking stuff that's been [TS]

  the same literally since 1984 and saying [TS]

  it's on the table let's let's think [TS]

  about what we're going to do about that [TS]

  um and that's scary and crazy um and and [TS]

  it will make for an interesting [TS]

  experience I especially since it's an [TS]

  early phase you wonder are they gonna [TS]

  are they gonna like wimp out on some of [TS]

  this stuff or they're just gonna double [TS]

  down and say look if you can't deal with [TS]

  it you know just ya figure it out I mean [TS]

  that they they've got a long way with [TS]

  this os terms of the brush metal and [TS]

  then reunifying the interfacing and [TS]

  doing all sorts of other stuff this is [TS]

  the boldest move this appears you get [TS]

  all this move in UI since the transition [TS]

  from from nine to ten so my take on it [TS]

  is that you're not so happy with it [TS]

  I save my opinions to review man and [TS]

  it's still early days you don't know [TS]

  what they're gonna you can't you can't [TS]

  like downloaded developer preview or [TS]

  look at these screenshots and get all [TS]

  pissy about like I can't believe this [TS]

  default is there some defaults the [TS]

  people that chattri mentioned that I [TS]

  don't want to mention because I think it [TS]

  would be breaking NDA or whatever but [TS]

  this their settings the default settings [TS]

  of a lot of these new options are not to [TS]

  the liking of anyone's used to Mac [TS]

  before basically you know if you have if [TS]

  you have years and years of experience [TS]

  moot using a Mac they have settings that [TS]

  are the opposite of what you would [TS]

  expect and you can get all pissy and say [TS]

  oh man if this thing comes out of the [TS]

  box with the setting or all you just [TS]

  change the setting or what if they [TS]

  remove the setting and I can't change it [TS]

  back I'm going to go nuts you know you [TS]

  just got a chill out I've heard some [TS]

  Apple people actually asking saying if [TS]

  you're a developer and you're using the [TS]

  OS feel free to file bugs even on things [TS]

  that just like the defaults are wrong [TS]

  right there like you don't wrap the [TS]

  default or you don't like that ya file [TS]

  the bug on it that says you know I don't [TS]

  mind future X but I really wish you'd [TS]

  default would be a instead of B because [TS]

  it would make me feel better and I think [TS]

  the Apple developers are asked or Apple [TS]

  guys are asking for that just because [TS]

  that's how they that's how they gather [TS]

  feedback yeah you don't see if you just [TS]

  whined about it on Twitter they don't [TS]

  know you got a you got to file a bug on [TS]

  it and express your opinion and who [TS]

  knows how much that's going to go on [TS]

  between now and summer so I don't put [TS]

  too much stock and can we can we comment [TS]

  about speed and performance is that [TS]

  breaking NDA [TS]

  I think that would be in lesson I [TS]

  haven't read anything about it okay I'm [TS]

  not going to comment based on my use of [TS]

  it I would imagine like the history of [TS]

  Mac OS 10 is that the OS has gotten [TS]

  faster on the same hardware with time [TS]

  and Snow Leopard was all about [TS]

  just tighten the thing up make it faster [TS]

  make it better because there was very [TS]

  few user visible new features and you [TS]

  think the trend has to continue [TS]

  obviously hardware gets faster but [TS]

  usually mac OS x is actually faster on [TS]

  the same hardware with a few bumps here [TS]

  and there like if you were to get you [TS]

  give the 10.5 and you had time machine [TS]

  turn on for the first time and you had a [TS]

  slow disk all of a sudden your disk is [TS]

  going to be tortured you're like man [TS]

  this feels ten times slower than then [TS]

  tiger did it's doing a lot more um when [TS]

  I feel slow if you turn Time Machine off [TS]

  it's the operation to still be faster [TS]

  than Tiger can over can I comment if I [TS]

  like it or not or is that under NDA you [TS]

  can yeah sure go for it I don't think [TS]

  you know you just give vague opinion [TS]

  Steve I'll go so I don't use for a day [TS]

  right uh not even I overall I here's [TS]

  what I will say I really like it and I [TS]

  really like the visual I'm a big visual [TS]

  user interface geek I mean I really care [TS]

  about it and I can say that I'm not [TS]

  talking about things like you know [TS]

  scrolling and dots and other things like [TS]

  that I'm talking about the overall look [TS]

  of the operating system the overall way [TS]

  that that things look which again you [TS]

  can you can see a lot from apples and [TS]

  the leaked screenshots to I really am a [TS]

  big fan of it I'm a minimalist and [TS]

  they've definitely gone in that more [TS]

  minimalist direction everything is sort [TS]

  of flatter and more grey and I'm a big [TS]

  fan of this direction I'm not I'm not [TS]

  sure that I'm a big fan of all of the [TS]

  changes that they made we'll have to try [TS]

  keep y'all to keep trying it but going [TS]

  you know using that and then going back [TS]

  and looking right here at my you know at [TS]

  my Snow Leopard screen on my laptop if [TS]

  it does feel like a step backwards you [TS]

  couldn't you couldn't say that from [TS]

  obviously from Snow Leopard to Leopard [TS]

  you couldn't really say it you know but [TS]

  this almost feels like going back to the [TS]

  10.4 kind of days where where things are [TS]

  really look different and act different [TS]

  work different and like there's little [TS]

  stripes and things all over everything [TS]

  like this is that much of a step anytime [TS]

  you change the look so comprehensively [TS]

  it always makes the old one feel weird [TS]

  the pinstripes is a great example [TS]

  you know the pinstripes no one really [TS]

  noticed that much especially since it [TS]

  was a call back [TS]

  the pinstripes from classic Mac OS but [TS]

  when they drop the pinstripes and you [TS]

  use the one without them for a while it [TS]

  seemed a little bit weird at first but [TS]

  then you went back to the pinstripe one [TS]

  you're like how did I look at this all [TS]

  day it's just exactly any time you made [TS]

  a significant change like that it does [TS]

  that I'm going to reserve my paintings [TS]

  for look mostly because I want to save [TS]

  it for the review and also because again [TS]

  at this point it's like a hodgepodge [TS]

  some applications have been updated some [TS]

  haven't they're tweaking the things [TS]

  they're going to change stuff I also [TS]

  wouldn't put too much stock in the way [TS]

  these controls look obviously the [TS]

  overall look is going to be you know [TS]

  pretty much like what you said you look [TS]

  at the screenshots you can see more gray [TS]

  less color more minimal the rounded [TS]

  corners is interesting because if you [TS]

  remember in Snow Leopard maybe it was in [TS]

  leopard either in leopard and Snow [TS]

  Leopard they rounded the bottom corners [TS]

  of pull down menus from the menu but [TS]

  yeah I noted that in one of the reviews [TS]

  and this is just like an extension of [TS]

  that like whoever likes those rounded [TS]

  corners oh and also in Snow Leopard in [TS]

  the stupid QuickTime Player that I hate [TS]

  with a passion they rounded the bottom [TS]

  corners of the video and now they're [TS]

  doing out of windows now menus I don't [TS]

  mind because it's just a list of items [TS]

  but windows especially movie players [TS]

  like why don't I get to see those pixels [TS]

  that are in the corner what if there's [TS]

  something significant there right if [TS]

  it's a given its supposed to be a window [TS]

  to show my content you've just decided [TS]

  that those three pixels on in each of [TS]

  the bottom corners are not important [TS]

  enough for me to see so yeah just don't [TS]

  we're not even the show those be draw [TS]

  anything there we won't see it mmm [TS]

  that's that bothers me just on principle [TS]

  and especially since it's such a subtle [TS]

  rounding it's such a tiny rounding so [TS]

  it's probably an option and developers [TS]

  can probably get rid of it or whatever [TS]

  but it just it bothers me that it shows [TS]

  there's a tiny tiny lack of respect for [TS]

  your content for the content of the [TS]

  application apples pretty rounded [TS]

  corners and more important than those [TS]

  successful and 99% of time maybe they [TS]

  are more important but it's the [TS]

  principle not the practical concern that [TS]

  that bothers me about this well you [TS]

  remember when all of Apple's screen [TS]

  corners are rounded of course yeah that [TS]

  was that that was on the screen but at [TS]

  least the windows themselves you know [TS]

  there wasn't any maximized but they've [TS]

  always they've always liked those [TS]

  rounded corners they do run a car like [TS]

  it they're perfect for buttons they're [TS]

  great for menus for Windows like System [TS]

  Preferences where you use a preference [TS]

  pane that's just the UI but like a movie [TS]

  player well yeah I agree I agree with [TS]

  you that area the other thing I'll give [TS]

  a tiny rant on the [TS]

  the the quicktime player did they put [TS]

  that big honkin controls floating over [TS]

  the movie that's Connor but you wanna [TS]

  like scrub through the movie you have to [TS]

  use the controller to scrub through the [TS]

  movie unless you can try to figure what [TS]

  the keyboard commands are and stuff like [TS]

  that but you can't see half the movie so [TS]

  say you're scrubbing through trying to [TS]

  look for a subtitle on a scene the hall [TS]

  controller is blocked you can move the [TS]

  control out of the way and you just it's [TS]

  like kind of shove the stupid I wish I [TS]

  could yank it out of the window and say [TS]

  put the controller not overlapping the [TS]

  content and let me move it so I still [TS]

  use the QuickTime Player 7 which is kind [TS]

  of ugly and dated but at least it [TS]

  doesn't least it gives a perfect [TS]

  rectangle for the enemy is the same for [TS]

  the same reason I use that takes a lot [TS]

  of that I have no knowledge of this but [TS]

  I bet you that thing's gonna be gone [TS]

  from I just hope it still launches I'll [TS]

  keep it around whoa that's what I did [TS]

  originally with a with snow leopard and [TS]

  leopard or whatever version they I think [TS]

  Snow Leopard is when they gave the bad [TS]

  video player I had the old version [TS]

  around but eventually Apple decided to [TS]

  ship it and keep it working yeah I was [TS]

  looking after after playing around with [TS]

  Lion I was looking to see if there were [TS]

  any current apps that Apple makes that [TS]

  have the rounded corners on Snow Leopard [TS]

  just looking around and saying you know [TS]

  are there any apps out there that exist [TS]

  right now with rounded corners and [TS]

  there's only there's only I think a [TS]

  couple iTunes is one of them and another [TS]

  is iChat contact window both have [TS]

  rounded bottom corners most apps have [TS]

  rounded upper corners but so so one [TS]

  other thing I wanted to to point out [TS]

  here and I don't know if we can talk [TS]

  about this you have to tell me can we [TS]

  talk about how lion the lion developer [TS]

  preview is obtained and installed can we [TS]

  discuss that yeah cuz I've read it all [TS]

  over websites every website that has [TS]

  discussed this development preview has [TS]

  said that you know developers download [TS]

  it through the Mac apps through the Mac [TS]

  App Store so as you log into your [TS]

  developer account and it gives you a [TS]

  redemption code and then you redeem this [TS]

  code in the Mac App Store the same way [TS]

  you would redeem any code and and it [TS]

  downloads it and and then gives you an [TS]

  installer and you install it right there [TS]

  and that's kind of that I mean that's [TS]

  really the first time that they've done [TS]

  something like this in the past it was [TS]

  always a you know a URL that you would [TS]

  be given [TS]

  within the Mac developer webpage and it [TS]

  would you know do all it's weird [TS]

  redirects and give you a whole you know [TS]

  some strange URLs and that was all there [TS]

  to prevent people from passing that URL [TS]

  around to other people and and you know [TS]

  downloading it as a file you know it it [TS]

  definitely makes it easier I guess to to [TS]

  district illegally distribute well the [TS]

  thing about the the files is that they [TS]

  would do that redirects and for a while [TS]

  they were doing HTTP basic [TS]

  authentication linden and hopefully not [TS]

  guessable and would expire but those [TS]

  URLs at various times have been your FTP [TS]

  or HTTP both of which are resumable [TS]

  protocols and both of which you can run [TS]

  from within your web browser assuming [TS]

  you're all off DUP but when there was no [TS]

  auth you could just double you get them [TS]

  or something you got the URL you could [TS]

  copy it out of the you know look at [TS]

  where the last place is sent you was and [TS]

  just W get that sucker whatever you want [TS]

  to do from the command line [TS]

  there was no auth when you do it from [TS]

  Safari at the very least Safari would [TS]

  resume if it died halfway through as [TS]

  long as you re off against the URL there [TS]

  was all sorts of things you could do as [TS]

  someone whose computer savvy and to [TS]

  develop or whatever to make sure that [TS]

  you had a successful download and they [TS]

  were very fast because their stuff was [TS]

  on content distribution networks and [TS]

  everything and the complaints I've seen [TS]

  on Twitter and online from people trying [TS]

  to do this for the Mac App Store is that [TS]

  you don't have those tools we don't know [TS]

  what's going on behind the scenes in the [TS]

  Mac App Store unless you're doing [TS]

  Network traces and everything and a lot [TS]

  of people got stuck they would try to [TS]

  download it through the Mac App Store [TS]

  and it would stop halfway through due to [TS]

  some obscure error and they couldn't [TS]

  resume it and you only get one [TS]

  redemption code you can tree enter the [TS]

  redemption code all you can do is [TS]

  relaunch that Mac App Store yeah and you [TS]

  Tilly click this button it would say oh [TS]

  it's right installed no it's not you've [TS]

  only got half the file or it would say [TS]

  you know downloading but it's not [TS]

  actually downloading right what happened [TS]

  to me I got I got a message that said [TS]

  the disc was full which which it wasn't [TS]

  but eventually I just I was able to have [TS]

  it re download and reinstall and it did [TS]

  and it gave the app it finally did work [TS]

  so it's an interesting you know an [TS]

  interesting new technique an interesting [TS]

  new way to to do it but it's not [TS]

  shocking [TS]

  either because this is a brand mac app [TS]

  store is brand new it's only been out [TS]

  for you know a little while now so this [TS]

  is not surprising that there are bugs in [TS]

  the Mac App Store app causing this is [TS]

  just frustrating for developers to have [TS]

  to work through those bugs yeah [TS]

  presumably eventually it'll be all [TS]

  worked out and you know they'll want to [TS]

  do some new way to download stuff oh so [TS]

  can't you just do it through the Mac App [TS]

  Store that was so reliable and it work [TS]

  right now you're bringing this anything [TS]

  I joke and by the way the Installer is [TS]

  still a three point six gig file in my [TS]

  Applications folder yeah oh I don't you [TS]

  know I didn't I guess I can be updating [TS]

  or than Angry Birds a little bit so it's [TS]

  a little bit asking a lot of the neck [TS]

  out alright we bet we better wrap this [TS]

  up it's been 90 minutes yeah so we will [TS]

  we will be back next week hopefully you [TS]

  will recover quickly from your your cold [TS]

  your sore throat couldn't tell you do [TS]

  you sounded decent I can tell certain [TS]

  all right well let's not push it any [TS]

  further all right so we will we'll wrap [TS]

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  more hypercritical [TS]

  right what else is there that's it have [TS]

  a good week that's it [TS]

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