5: Slippery Little Pill


  this is hypercritical [TS]

  a weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [TS]

  what is wrong in the world of Apple and [TS]

  related technologies businesses nothing [TS]

  is so perfect that it can't be [TS]

  complained about and scrutinized and [TS]

  criticized by none other than John [TS]

  siracusa whom you may know from his work [TS]

  at ARS technica or by Mead and Benjamin [TS]

  and today this is episode number 5 [TS]

  what's our topic today John you pick two [TS]

  topics this time we'll I'd me pick so [TS]

  you're trying to push the onus on to me [TS]

  a bit but no problem with that I can [TS]

  narrow down from two I liked both topics [TS]

  so much that I got I found myself [TS]

  getting kind of giddy about talking [TS]

  about both of them either of them and I [TS]

  didn't know which one you wanted more so [TS]

  I picked the other one which one did you [TS]

  think I think you want the UI [TS]

  consistency one but I that's not my [TS]

  favorite and I'm not sure how much I [TS]

  have to say on it right now so I picked [TS]

  the other one and what was the other one [TS]

  the other one was Apple's Hardware blind [TS]

  spots ah okay I act to be honest I [TS]

  really don't know that I had a favorite [TS]

  either way but I'm thrilled to talk [TS]

  about that and so what does that mean [TS]

  Hardware blind spots uh are we skipping [TS]

  the follow-up is this what you're saying [TS]

  no oh yeah we got to do our follow-up [TS]

  I'm sorry no I'm not saying that let's [TS]

  follow alright like I try to rush [TS]

  through follow-up there is backup [TS]

  related follow-up here I could push it [TS]

  off for another show if you want or I [TS]

  could just go through the items in order [TS]

  no let's let's do all the follow-up [TS]

  we'll do it all it would all we'll see [TS]

  how that goes all right so uh I think [TS]

  was it last week or two weeks ago that [TS]

  we talked about Lian [TS]

  I thought lion was last week yeah [TS]

  probably was so there's a little follow [TS]

  up on that we were discussing whether [TS]

  spaces that was two weeks ago do weeks [TS]

  ago episode basis would be in number [TS]

  three the mouse is not a finger right [TS]

  yeah and we said we talked about in last [TS]

  show how they didn't show spaces in the [TS]

  demo but that doesn't mean it's not [TS]

  necessarily there well a couple of [TS]

  people send me links to Apple's actual [TS]

  web site where they have text on their [TS]

  lion web page that says you know spaces [TS]

  is they're basically right they're [TS]

  saying the Mission Control thing you [TS]

  know thumb [TS]

  nails of your full screen apps [TS]

  dashboards and even other spaces [TS]

  arranged in the unified view so that's [TS]

  pretty much as explicit as you can get [TS]

  even though they've never shown it and [TS]

  even though we have no idea how it works [TS]

  or what it looks like the text on their [TS]

  page says that s spaces not that things [TS]

  can't change because you know there have [TS]

  been many things written on my apples [TS]

  website about operating systems yet to [TS]

  be released that have turned out not to [TS]

  be true when the operating system was [TS]

  released I think that even a whole page [TS]

  where they were talking about ZFS do you [TS]

  remember that yeah yeah that was [TS]

  surprising yeah I would have loved to [TS]

  have that [TS]

  there have been a few other ones I've [TS]

  forgotten them now but all sorts of [TS]

  things have been on their page when [TS]

  they've during the previews you know and [TS]

  then eventually they just stopped [TS]

  talking about it and they released the [TS]

  actual operating system those features [TS]

  aren't there and everyone forgets [TS]

  including me um so I just wanted to [TS]

  clear that up exactly that's not some [TS]

  pretty good evidence um some people were [TS]

  asking me about my offhanded comment [TS]

  about audio quality last time I think I [TS]

  was talking about the limits of human [TS]

  perception and how when technology [TS]

  catches up to them yeah it's this [TS]

  innovation kind of stops in that area [TS]

  and I mentioned that you don't 256 [TS]

  kilobit a C's or mp3s is pretty much [TS]

  good enough for most people but but [TS]

  audio files find it depressing and a lot [TS]

  of people wanted out well you know can [TS]

  you even tell the difference if we if we [TS]

  did a double-blind test view listening [TS]

  to whatever audio source you chose and [TS]

  and a an mp3 would you be able to tell [TS]

  and the answer is I probably wouldn't be [TS]

  able to I don't have a golden ear I'm [TS]

  not really an audiophile it's really [TS]

  just a question of general principles I [TS]

  don't know if I'm the only person who [TS]

  feels this way but I like that audio [TS]

  quality was progressing and that felt [TS]

  like it's not like progress to me it [TS]

  felt like audio quality gets better [TS]

  during my life when I'm a kid there's [TS]

  vinyl and there's cassettes and briefly [TS]

  eight tracks and you know we get CDs [TS]

  where that they'd be hard 22 kilohertz [TS]

  cutoff is a problem for some people then [TS]

  they started massively compressing music [TS]

  but in general it's been a lumpy upward [TS]

  slope in audio quality and then what was [TS]

  it like just before the donut the [TS]

  Internet they had super audio CD and DVD [TS]

  audio duking it out for the next [TS]

  generation high resolution format yeah [TS]

  but then the internet came and Napster [TS]

  an mp3 [TS]

  and forget about super audio CD and DVD [TS]

  audio these things still exist and you [TS]

  can buy them but they're obviously way [TS]

  way outside the mainstream and so we [TS]

  kind of took we derailed we said well [TS]

  audio quality is pretty much good enough [TS]

  let's add more channels now upslope what [TS]

  is it 7.1 or whatever for surround sound [TS]

  but other than that the actual audio [TS]

  quality itself is good enough and I [TS]

  don't think that's the case I think [TS]

  there's still Headroom and it bothers me [TS]

  because I we know we have the technology [TS]

  for better audio right it's not like we [TS]

  don't have the tech for this we even [TS]

  have a bunch of standards like super [TS]

  audio CD came out DVD audio came out it [TS]

  exists you can buy them not that they're [TS]

  great formats or anything around [TS]

  particularly recommending them but it [TS]

  was the next step in the journey but [TS]

  we've just decided to skip them entirely [TS]

  we're not interested in them and the [TS]

  thing that bothers me about them from a [TS]

  practical perspective is that even if [TS]

  you can't tell the difference compress [TS]

  lossy audio limits what you can do with [TS]

  it like say you want to make a video and [TS]

  cut together pieces from a bunch of [TS]

  different songs the best copy of the [TS]

  songs you have is a lossy compressed [TS]

  audio file that you got from iTunes or [TS]

  something when you chop up pieces of [TS]

  that song and put it together as a [TS]

  soundtrack and then recompress it as you [TS]

  know AAC or whatever for your video then [TS]

  you start can start to tell the [TS]

  difference you don't need to be an [TS]

  audiophile to see to hear the difference [TS]

  on a doubly compressed songwriting right [TS]

  and triply compress it just gets worse [TS]

  it and it bothers me that music prices [TS]

  have stayed about the same [TS]

  are you know depending on how you buy [TS]

  your things like is this cheaper if you [TS]

  buy an individual track instead of an [TS]

  entire album but the quality has [TS]

  basically gone down CDs have better [TS]

  audio quality than these lossy [TS]

  compressed the you know AAC files that [TS]

  you can buy so that's why I still buy [TS]

  CDs and faxes I buy them I'm like I'm [TS]

  getting a physical backup for free [TS]

  basically and I'm getting a higher [TS]

  quality product so why in the world [TS]

  would I ever pay for a lossy compressed [TS]

  file from iTunes and this is you know [TS]

  even with DRM being gone and everything [TS]

  so everything else being equal is DRM [TS]

  forget it no way but CDs through a [TS]

  historical accident have no DRM and they [TS]

  happen to be better quality than what [TS]

  everyone else is selling so that's what [TS]

  I still buy I'm sure they'll go away [TS]

  eventually but I really hope kind of [TS]

  like the light bulb right eventually [TS]

  they'll become yeah all the replaced [TS]

  with LEDs [TS]

  but I really hope this industry gets [TS]

  back on that train and starts doing the [TS]

  you know saying well maybe got one or [TS]

  two more standards in us or maybe let's [TS]

  let's go let's stop with the compression [TS]

  because a certain point network [TS]

  bandwidth is so massive that the [TS]

  compression is pointless anyway we'll [TS]

  just give you uncompressed or we'll go [TS]

  for a higher bitrate or higher [TS]

  resolution and still compress it but it [TS]

  but it'll I don't know that's like we [TS]

  probably do a whole show on my insanity [TS]

  in that regard we should really to get a [TS]

  counterpoint of somewhat saying you're [TS]

  not to be you just said you can't hear [TS]

  the difference what do you care what's [TS]

  right what do you care if the difference [TS]

  size is more important that we needed [TS]

  the mp3 revolution digital downloads are [TS]

  good and everything I'm just sad that [TS]

  progress has seemingly been derailed and [TS]

  I hope we get back on that train okay [TS]

  that one took a little too long no it's [TS]

  alright um back up related someone [TS]

  throughout this you this utility sent me [TS]

  an email about it after the right after [TS]

  the first backup so I never got to talk [TS]

  about it smart utility all caps smart [TS]

  I think smart I forget what it stands [TS]

  for self monitoring analysis reporting [TS]

  something or other [TS]

  anyway smart is a standard that lets the [TS]

  hard drive mechanism talk to your [TS]

  computer and so you can query the hard [TS]

  drive mechanism and ask it questions [TS]

  about its health and there are a couple [TS]

  little things like menu bar widgets they [TS]

  have a little hard drive icon that just [TS]

  changes green when all your hard drives [TS]

  are ok and it changes red when they're [TS]

  bad smart is just basically a [TS]

  standardized way as far as I can tell a [TS]

  standardized way for the hard drive to [TS]

  tell you when it's really not working so [TS]

  it stands by the way for self-monitoring [TS]

  analysis and reporting technology I was [TS]

  close yeah all right [TS]

  it's a way to know that there's [TS]

  something wrong with your disk [TS]

  officially and not just find out like [TS]

  when your i/o start to fail and your [TS]

  operating system or something and smart [TS]

  utility is a single app that shows all [TS]

  the smart information in this big [TS]

  display now it's a little bit creepy in [TS]

  that the app has some heuristics built [TS]

  into it where it decides whether your [TS]

  hard drive is quote unquote failing [TS]

  which is a strange you know it's in [TS]

  terms of the tints it's strange failing [TS]

  because I mean it's failing now it's not [TS]

  failed failed smart will tell you you [TS]

  know XYZ is broken that is [TS]

  all right failing I don't really know [TS]

  what that means [TS]

  so it's something just made up from this [TS]

  application where it says if I see [TS]

  arrows XY and Z even though everything [TS]

  is still currently working directly I've [TS]

  decided that if I see these errors it [TS]

  probably means that there'll be some [TS]

  other unrecoverable error in the future [TS]

  therefore I'll tell your drive is [TS]

  failing and I mentioned that biggest [TS]

  when I ran it on my drives is that one [TS]

  of my drives is quote unquote failing [TS]

  but you go into the help and you google [TS]

  around and it becomes clear that the [TS]

  notion of failing is really a sort of a [TS]

  judgement call it may mean that your [TS]

  hard drive is about to go bad but [TS]

  doesn't mean that your hard drive is [TS]

  currently bad and the thing that it said [TS]

  about my hard drive is that I had bad [TS]

  sectors that had been remapped but [TS]

  that's part of what hard drives do they [TS]

  remap bad right it's in other words it's [TS]

  not necessarily really going bad but [TS]

  it's saying this could be an indication [TS]

  that there's a problem yeah like there [TS]

  have been bad sectors that have been [TS]

  remapped on your drive does that mean [TS]

  that it's slowly dying or does that mean [TS]

  just it came out of manufacturing which [TS]

  the bad sectors and mechanism remap them [TS]

  and then that's it so it has another [TS]

  mode where it will it will only complain [TS]

  to you if the number of bad sectors [TS]

  increases so like for instance if you [TS]

  get the hard drive out of the box and it [TS]

  says 25 bad sectors and use this hard [TS]

  drive for five years and at the end of [TS]

  the five years it still says 25 bad [TS]

  sectors ah I don't know yeah and as some [TS]

  people in the chat room are saying and [TS]

  as the the help guide and smart utility [TS]

  itself says the statistics that Google [TS]

  and other big companies that run big [TS]

  data centres have done have shown that [TS]

  if there are any sort of errors like [TS]

  this even if everything is working fine [TS]

  now it's a very good indication that [TS]

  things are going to go bad later some if [TS]

  it happens it happens but the problem [TS]

  with this information is now I can't [TS]

  really return my drive in to the [TS]

  manufacturer and say hey smart reports [TS]

  these errors could you give me the [TS]

  drivers they'll probably just send me [TS]

  back into the drive with the same exact [TS]

  errors or send me back Furber give that [TS]

  drive to someone else's they want an [TS]

  error a drive that has errors on you [TS]

  know I'm sure they'll take my drive and [TS]

  then give me back another one but who's [TS]

  to say whether that drive will have any [TS]

  other problem so just so you know if [TS]

  you're lit Amin AVI if you're listening [TS]

  to this show you're probably kind of [TS]

  geeky anyway but this this utility is [TS]

  not I mean I won't go so far say it's [TS]

  not for the faint of heart but it's it's [TS]

  a geek utility this is not something [TS]

  that that's made for like your mom to [TS]

  use to watch her hard drive right it's [TS]

  not it's not going to present you with [TS]

  any actionable information it's just [TS]

  gonna be a bunch of stats right maybe a [TS]

  big colored thing that tells you you [TS]

  know failed failing Pass felt like this [TS]

  right like you'll see an attributes [TS]

  window for something called dev disk [TS]

  zero and it'll have like power off [TS]

  retract count for that you know and [TS]

  it'll give you a raw value for that so [TS]

  these things you need to have some kind [TS]

  of knowledge of what these things are to [TS]

  actually really make the the best use of [TS]

  this but I mean you know you will get it [TS]

  at the end of the day you will see a [TS]

  little green light or a little little [TS]

  green block or a yellow block that's it [TS]

  will say failing in it if you're running [TS]

  into trouble so there is a little like [TS]

  menu bar icon called [TS]

  smart monitor or something that all it [TS]

  does is put an icon in your menu bar and [TS]

  that just changes colors green good red [TS]

  bad and I've done that for years and I [TS]

  always just says green this utility goes [TS]

  further even if that little icon is [TS]

  green this utility may be in the yellow [TS]

  quote-unquote failing phrase the funny [TS]

  thing about the app is that if you set [TS]

  the preference that says only tell me [TS]

  that I'm failing if one of these stats [TS]

  changes over time now when I launched it [TS]

  says that my drive past because this [TS]

  reallocated bad sectors thing has been [TS]

  the same for the life of this drive [TS]

  right so and it's pretty new drive this [TS]

  is 1.5 terabyte Western Digital caviar [TS]

  black I think and it's the main drive [TS]

  that I run off of but I've got only [TS]

  other backup so I figure I'll just let [TS]

  this one sale I I did increase the [TS]

  frequency of my SuperDuper backups but [TS]

  we'll just see how we go I was gonna I [TS]

  was gonna ask you I'm you know people [TS]

  are always asking what kind of hard [TS]

  drives you have and and all of that [TS]

  stuff and we've talked enough about [TS]

  drives on another show I think for for a [TS]

  little while when we were talking about [TS]

  backups but you know I think I think [TS]

  it's worth noting that there's a whole [TS]

  new generation of drives out there now [TS]

  if the last time you bought a hard drive [TS]

  was even a couple years ago things have [TS]

  changed a lot and if you're starting to [TS]

  see message just about your drive [TS]

  failing and it's not relatively new [TS]

  a pride they're cheap enough we'll just [TS]

  go by anyone am i right yeah and this [TS]

  drive to get so much better all the time [TS]

  it's all I can do to stop myself from [TS]

  buying a new hard drive every month [TS]

  because I just see that you know they [TS]

  get cheaper they better capacity they [TS]

  get better performance everything about [TS]

  them gets better to say no no just wait [TS]

  for a drive to actually fail wait the [TS]

  outgrow something to buy a new hard [TS]

  drive things are so cheap you see like a [TS]

  2 terabyte drive for 80 bucks you're [TS]

  like man yeah like my scrap drive off to [TS]

  the side where I just throw junk you [TS]

  know but yeah for the free for the main [TS]

  machine that we use for for doing our [TS]

  video recording and stuff I just picked [TS]

  up a terrible one terabyte caviar black [TS]

  drive for 80 something dollars shipped [TS]

  yeah I mean it you know it's you just [TS]

  could go get a new drive and those are [TS]

  good those like the premium mechanisms [TS]

  yeah find the bomb you know bargain [TS]

  basement right not a storage review [TS]

  finding their best rated ro desktop hard [TS]

  drive with great performance and good [TS]

  power consumption not too noisy and [TS]

  still 80 bucks [TS]

  so yeah you and noise we got to do a [TS]

  show just about you and your noise [TS]

  phobias yeah thank you I would be a very [TS]

  interesting show but which is a silence [TS]

  wouldn't yeah that's right [TS]

  that's 33 seconds of silence exactly [TS]

  so today's show half halfway through the [TS]

  hour let's talk about the day's job uh [TS]

  yeah I guess I've got more follow-up [TS]

  Allison know you want to do it let's do [TS]

  it [TS]

  I've got what I've got more problem we [TS]

  could possibly I can fill a whole show [TS]

  with this follow up so I'll save it okay [TS]

  well how about this if we if we get [TS]

  through today's topic to your [TS]

  satisfaction we can circle back so that [TS]

  one Oh problem but okay so the topic [TS]

  Apple's hardware blind spots this is a [TS]

  personal peeve of mine that I don't [TS]

  think is shared by it shared in bits and [TS]

  pieces by other people but whenever I [TS]

  try to complain about it to somebody [TS]

  maybe they'll agree on one of my points [TS]

  but my 17 other points they'll think I'm [TS]

  insane so I think this concern is [TS]

  distributed through apples enthusiast [TS]

  community and just happens to be [TS]

  concentrated in me um before I get here [TS]

  before I go into the beat the blind [TS]

  spots I'll just talk about it's obvious [TS]

  that Apple has lots of hardware [TS]

  strengths I think most Apple fans will [TS]

  be able to agree on all those and talk [TS]

  about them what's good about Apple [TS]

  hardware well it's high quality it's not [TS]

  junk right [TS]

  so it's not plastic stuff that falls [TS]

  apart in your hands is always solid [TS]

  materials it looks like somebody [TS]

  designed it it doesn't look like it was [TS]

  slapped together by a committee it looks [TS]

  like little pieces of art apples really [TS]

  good about innovative manufacturing [TS]

  techniques they're always trying to find [TS]

  a new and interesting way to build the [TS]

  stuff they're not just happy like Dell [TS]

  has Dell for decades it's like we build [TS]

  computers like this we can do a stupid [TS]

  metal frame we slap plastic on the [TS]

  outside we put some colored panels on it [TS]

  we throw the internals in there and they [TS]

  were just happy to do that for decades [TS]

  and decades but Apple is not happy to do [TS]

  that Apple did that you know back in the [TS]

  80s and 90s and so how else can we make [TS]

  computers and they you know worked with [TS]

  manufacturers to say well you can do [TS]

  this translucent plastic do you like [TS]

  that but I'll still kind of got a metal [TS]

  frame in there can we do like the entire [TS]

  frame made out of clear plastic well you [TS]

  get kind of hairline crack so it looks [TS]

  kind of gross well how about we make [TS]

  laptops out of titanium kind of works [TS]

  with the paint doesn't stick and they're [TS]

  always looking for you know something [TS]

  interesting ways to do things and I [TS]

  would call this a strength even if it [TS]

  doesn't work out sometimes they're [TS]

  trying new things um a great example is [TS]

  the unibody laptops like that's the DES [TS]

  creaking between panels and a big flat [TS]

  thing that you pick up it's tough that's [TS]

  a tough manufacturing challenge to make [TS]

  something that feels solid so why don't [TS]

  we just make it solid like a big unit [TS]

  body thing and let's try you know [TS]

  machining out a solid block of aluminum [TS]

  into this particular shape maybe that'll [TS]

  be really strong and interesting and [TS]

  that has advantages for the product or [TS]

  the laser micro holes that they put on [TS]

  there you know and they have an LED [TS]

  light behind a sheet of aluminum but [TS]

  they don't want to put a hole in the [TS]

  aluminum right so it too unsightly so [TS]

  they put these tiny little holes with a [TS]

  laser so you can't see anything there [TS]

  until the light comes on and you see [TS]

  light shining through right well it's [TS]

  like solid aluminum beautiful details [TS]

  yeah and they look nice that's the thing [TS]

  most people know Apple's hardware it [TS]

  looks nice you go into the Apple store [TS]

  the store looks nice the hardware looks [TS]

  nice so it's clear Apple has tons and [TS]

  tons of strengths and as usual with me [TS]

  if you're really good at something [TS]

  that's that's when I find the flaw is [TS]

  more irritating because if you're just a [TS]

  total loss and you just make crap like [TS]

  they'll then I'm not really interested [TS]

  in criticizing some particular thing you [TS]

  do because it's just not worth my time [TS]

  right but the Apple Apple's the first [TS]

  hardware to paraphrase Alan Kay that's [TS]

  good enough to criticize and the [TS]

  criticisms I've had [TS]

  hardware the reason I call them blind [TS]

  sauce is because they're persistent [TS]

  maybe they're endemic to maybe they're [TS]

  part of the good stuff I think a lot of [TS]

  them are you know a result of doing all [TS]

  the good things but the things Apple [TS]

  does wrong have been the same pretty [TS]

  much for the entire job just to error [TS]

  when you you know came back and I don't [TS]

  doesn't look like they're getting better [TS]

  in some plays they're getting worse so [TS]

  I've tried to break them down to [TS]

  categories so we don't just wander all [TS]

  over the place okay and the broadest [TS]

  category I have to say is when Apple [TS]

  does form over function it's just an [TS]

  entire category of things where all [TS]

  those good things about making things [TS]

  look nice compromises the functionality [TS]

  purely for aesthetics okay and I'm going [TS]

  to start in a weird place I'm gonna [TS]

  start with keyboards wait do you want to [TS]

  share all of the different categories [TS]

  first or do you just want to start tell [TS]

  the category in the night donuts how to [TS]

  do all the categories first we'll just [TS]

  go through man order alright surprise [TS]

  okay I'd even get all the categories [TS]

  true enough um so keyboards with form [TS]

  over function now there's a whole [TS]

  sub-genre of keyboard cultism about the [TS]

  mechanisms and mechanical switches and [TS]

  buckling Springs and different colors of [TS]

  switch mechanisms from different regions [TS]

  of manufacture that's not what I'm [TS]

  talking about here that's the whole [TS]

  other fetish [TS]

  I'll talk about the most basic stuff [TS]

  about keyboards I'll highlight a laptop [TS]

  keyboards to begin with the half-size [TS]

  keys I don't think there's anyone out [TS]

  there who's going to say I'd rather have [TS]

  half-size Keys than full-size Keys [TS]

  because you can get used to half-size [TS]

  keys people can get good at doing them [TS]

  but especially if you're an adult male [TS]

  and you got the sausage fingers those [TS]

  little sausage fingers rubbing together [TS]

  on that little inverted T when you're [TS]

  trying to hit the up-down left-right [TS]

  especially if you're a programmer and [TS]

  constantly using arrow keys maybe you're [TS]

  not into VI keys for the people out [TS]

  there who are going to say no don't use [TS]

  the arrow keys anyway um [TS]

  modes think long maybe max anyway the [TS]

  little arrow keys the half size of our [TS]

  keys drive me nuts and if you look at a [TS]

  laptop an Apple laptop especially a 15 [TS]

  or 17 inch there's room for full-size [TS]

  arrow keys it will get any PC laptop [TS]

  they have full-size our keys some PC [TS]

  laptops have page up and page down and [TS]

  end key home and end keys in it in a [TS]

  particular arrangement especially things [TS]

  that [TS]

  size of a battleship like a 17 inch why [TS]

  doesn't any of Apple's laptops that fall [TS]

  size arrow keys well I'll tell you why [TS]

  look at one of the laptops if you put in [TS]

  a full-size inverted key the key board [TS]

  would be asymmetrical and that is not [TS]

  visually pleasing so Johnny I've or [TS]

  whoever is deciding how to make these [TS]

  things is just not going to let that fly [TS]

  that's an example of they want the the [TS]

  form to look like a beautiful simple [TS]

  rectangle of probably the golden ratio [TS]

  for all I know but they do not want that [TS]

  to have the functionality of the [TS]

  full-size arrow keys that's a compromise [TS]

  they make and they they just haven't [TS]

  gone back on it the very first review I [TS]

  ever did of Apple's aluminum power book [TS]

  series when they were called power books [TS]

  and the first aluminum before the [TS]

  unibody they just made them out of [TS]

  aluminum I put up a graphic that showed [TS]

  the 12 inch 15 inch and 17 inch laptops [TS]

  all next to each other all the same [TS]

  scale you saw they all use exactly the [TS]

  same keyboard which is great for [TS]

  manufacturing efficiency and it's great [TS]

  for visual appearance they all look [TS]

  exactly the same it's all the same [TS]

  keyboard everywhere but it's ridiculous [TS]

  to have this tiny little keyboard in the [TS]

  middle of a 17 inch battleship size [TS]

  laptop the whole point of having a 17 [TS]

  inch thing is you can have a big screen [TS]

  and give me a full-size keyboard [TS]

  give me full-size our keys get me home [TS]

  and Enki its it drives me insane and [TS]

  they just will not budge in that if you [TS]

  look at everything a laptop that made [TS]

  sense the keyboards are the same I [TS]

  imagine they get huge economic benefits [TS]

  from having exactly the same keyboard [TS]

  and all these things you know not having [TS]

  different inventories up making the same [TS]

  part they even use the same keyboards on [TS]

  the desktops now for the most part or [TS]

  the same key mechanisms but it just [TS]

  frustrates me to no end and you know the [TS]

  only reason I can come up with besides [TS]

  the economics of having the same [TS]

  keyboard everywhere even on the desktop [TS]

  is they just simply do not want to break [TS]

  that perfect rectangle they don't want [TS]

  the top to look on there there are [TS]

  things to be asymmetrical and that [TS]

  compromise I feel like is a bridge too [TS]

  far for things looking nice I'm not [TS]

  staying on laptops the other one that [TS]

  some people do complain about is the [TS]

  sharp edges you know the yeah when [TS]

  you've got when you get your the natural [TS]

  way to sit in front of a laptop is you [TS]

  sort of have your your wrists resting [TS]

  and the [TS]

  edge is sharp yeah I'm just gonna say [TS]

  that you should not rest your wrists on [TS]

  anything while you are typing it's very [TS]

  bad for you that's what everybody's [TS]

  don't every wheel my wrist rest don't [TS]

  rest your wrist and thinks maybe you [TS]

  have no problem with it maybe it's the [TS]

  way you'd like to do things if you ever [TS]

  get RSI which is another show entirely [TS]

  we should do I should add that to my [TS]

  topics list you will thank me for but [TS]

  when you're not typing for example you [TS]

  can rescue us but either way just [TS]

  handling these devices their devices [TS]

  that you put your hands on don't put [TS]

  sharp edges on the man like I'm not [TS]

  saying they have to all be round and [TS]

  cuddly and cover fur but don't make them [TS]

  razor sharp right but when the laptop is [TS]

  closed it sure does look nice it looks [TS]

  really nice it looks great process it is [TS]

  amazing they manufacture something with [TS]

  that it's that wonderful but don't make [TS]

  them that sharp like seriously think [TS]

  about the people are touching these [TS]

  things with their hands that's kind of a [TS]

  new development but in general Apple has [TS]

  not been afraid to make things even on [TS]

  my tower towers got quote unquote [TS]

  handles those things would cut your [TS]

  fingers off man these things weigh 50 [TS]

  pounds and they want you to pick them up [TS]

  from these incredibly sharp aluminum [TS]

  handles yes the old deal g4 and g3 [TS]

  handles were quite I mean they didn't go [TS]

  so far as to have a motorcycle grip on [TS]

  him but they were they were nice to pick [TS]

  up and they were light to IMAX have a [TS]

  little bit of this problem more recently [TS]

  and they've done this on a bunch of [TS]

  their computers they're supposedly [TS]

  friendly desktop computers but they put [TS]

  everything in the back all the ports in [TS]

  the back the power button on the back [TS]

  yeah that's you know they wanted to look [TS]

  nice oh wait so so you stare you stare [TS]

  at the front of I have an iMac right [TS]

  here it's it's recording us right now [TS]

  and this is one of the aluminum body [TS]

  ones and it it does have all the ports [TS]

  in the back and there's a power button [TS]

  in the back but that's great I mean I [TS]

  prefer that you're saying you want the [TS]

  the buttons and stuff in the front of it [TS]

  everything needs to be there but there's [TS]

  a common function of when you sit down [TS]

  in front of a computer that sometimes [TS]

  you just want to plug in a USB device [TS]

  for a second right and I know there's a [TS]

  port on the keyboard too but it would be [TS]

  nice to acknowledge not enough to get up [TS]

  walk around in the back yeah or twist if [TS]

  I reach behind there and even just for [TS]

  the first you know the experience of [TS]

  people who turn their computers on and [TS]

  off or put them to sleep especially [TS]

  since they remove the power button from [TS]

  the keyboard way back when to reach [TS]

  around behind there and [TS]

  deal for that little power button thing [TS]

  I know they want everything out of the [TS]

  way but again I think it's just a bridge [TS]

  too far putting everything back there [TS]

  not having a single one in the front [TS]

  busy with Martha the appearance or on [TS]

  the bottom or anywhere and you know and [TS]

  even the keyboard one is hidden [TS]

  underneath there it's not easy to get I [TS]

  know they want the cable to look nice so [TS]

  you don't have the big USB thing [TS]

  sticking out of the end so they recess [TS]

  it which is good on one side but you [TS]

  know I'm in the in the form of a [TS]

  function category I'm getting back to [TS]

  the weaker arguments here so the iMac [TS]

  it's not as bad as I think the keyboards [TS]

  are but it is indicative of the same [TS]

  trend of at a certain point they just [TS]

  cut off the functionality and say no [TS]

  form must be R king here and I want my [TS]

  thing to be beautiful and clean and I [TS]

  don't care if you have to reach around [TS]

  behind the thing and to find the port so [TS]

  I'm just going to move on to the next [TS]

  category so we can get through this [TS]

  durability durability is a I think most [TS]

  people recognize this a little bit the [TS]

  that that you know when you have [TS]

  something that looks nice you trade off [TS]

  sometimes durability because you can [TS]

  make something really durable but then [TS]

  it looks like a big giant plastic [TS]

  thermos with rubber gaskets all over and [TS]

  it's not particularly nice and the thing [TS]

  that occurred to me a couple years ago [TS]

  is especially with Apple's handheld [TS]

  things this is kind of like Apple cells [TS]

  you only sort of the core of the device [TS]

  like in a future world kind of right and [TS]

  I'm I think they'll sell you this [TS]

  amazing little metal core that has all [TS]

  the functionality of the device but of [TS]

  course they're just selling you the [TS]

  inside and then you slip that little [TS]

  core into a case that you buy and [TS]

  rappelled Apple sells a couple of cases [TS]

  but you you know buy your own iPods [TS]

  everyone's iPods aren't look on the UNIX [TS]

  timer in the subway or something look [TS]

  around and see how many people have [TS]

  their iPhones or iPods in cases unless [TS]

  it's like a nano or a shuffle they're [TS]

  all in cases Apple didn't sell you those [TS]

  cases for the most part you don't see [TS]

  people with apple brandy cases you see [TS]

  them with random green cases pink cases [TS]

  cases with stickers on them homemade [TS]

  cases all sorts of stuff and it's kind [TS]

  of weird to me that Apple sells this [TS]

  entire line of products that you [TS]

  basically it's not that you're not [TS]

  supposed to use them as is but people [TS]

  people just don't it would be kind of [TS]

  like if they sold you remember the g4 [TS]

  cube oh yeah I got one are you going [TS]

  right now you pull the bottom out of it [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  ├índale and everything it's like if they [TS]

  just sold you that little core and you [TS]

  got to slip it into something right get [TS]

  build your own chassis yeah [TS]

  and in some ways this is kind of [TS]

  appropriate because you can always add [TS]

  the case that you want but if they sold [TS]

  it to you like more durable with the [TS]

  thing on the outside you couldn't take [TS]

  that away like you couldn't take it [TS]

  apart so you could say it's giving the [TS]

  most possible options if you if you go [TS]

  if you want to use it without the case [TS]

  then you can do it but if they sold it [TS]

  to you with like a big rubberized thing [TS]

  all over it [TS]

  you can't like peel that off or you know [TS]

  what I mean like it gives more options [TS]

  to sell it as just a little core and you [TS]

  can add stuff to it if you want and [TS]

  they're working on it I give them credit [TS]

  for working on especially with the [TS]

  portables the glass iPhone 4 despite the [TS]

  fact that people say scratches and [TS]

  shatters and all that stuff it's clear [TS]

  that they're recognizing durability [TS]

  concerns of their previous iPods [TS]

  bringing up plastic scratches and [TS]

  plastic cracks so I say let's find [TS]

  something that's more scratch resistant [TS]

  let's put glass on it that seems to work [TS]

  on the front let's try it on the back [TS]

  well then we have to get super strong [TS]

  glass that resists spending so we got [TS]

  this Gorilla Glass and we have some [TS]

  problems with shattering but it's clear [TS]

  that they're trying to work on that but [TS]

  my big problem with them just selling [TS]

  this little core and this little not [TS]

  quite as durable as it should be core is [TS]

  that it also kind of trades form for [TS]

  function this gets back to the previous [TS]

  topic of my example is iPod Touches we [TS]

  have iPod Touches all over the house and [TS]

  they all have that like shiny silver [TS]

  back yeah [TS]

  which looks really nice but you cannot [TS]

  put one of these things in the r-mo sofa [TS]

  because it will slip off there like you [TS]

  know ice on a hot grill alright even in [TS]

  your hand like they are made to be like [TS]

  it's slippery little things please drop [TS]

  your $400 a piece of glass what's the [TS]

  same thing with the newer remote that [TS]

  comes with the newer Apple TV it's the [TS]

  same same exact problem at all right but [TS]

  yet same thing they don't have enough [TS]

  friction there's nothing coefficient of [TS]

  static friction is insufficient on these [TS]

  devices so the main thing I want to do [TS]

  with every single ipod touch I have is [TS]

  put a thin coating or silicon rubber all [TS]

  over all of them so they grip to any [TS]

  fabric links and I can put it on an [TS]

  incline on the couch it will just stick [TS]

  there right but without that on it's [TS]

  just a slippery little lozenge but the [TS]

  big problem with this is like isn't this [TS]

  working the way it's supposed to like [TS]

  you said you can add a case if you want [TS]

  if you don't want and you don't [TS]

  have to and apples doing the best thing [TS]

  no because every accessory that they [TS]

  sell in other people sell will not [TS]

  accept your thing if it has a case on it [TS]

  right well docks and everything their [TS]

  docks won't accept it so I can't use [TS]

  docks anywhere in my house because every [TS]

  single one of my iPods has some sort of [TS]

  case on it [TS]

  to make it so it's not a slippery little [TS]

  pill but you know now you can't fit it [TS]

  into any docks and even third-party [TS]

  docks they just give up enough this you [TS]

  look if you're going to wear a case you [TS]

  take the thing in and out of a case [TS]

  which is ridiculous nobody does it or [TS]

  just use the plug and hope that your [TS]

  case manufacturer was smart enough to [TS]

  leave room for the plug to fit in [TS]

  without you having to squish stuff out [TS]

  of the way um so I think there's a ways [TS]

  to go there on the on the durability [TS]

  front on the handhelds [TS]

  they do seem to be sort of addressing it [TS]

  but on the other hand they just keep [TS]

  making shiny iPods they just keep making [TS]

  you know slippery iPhones it looks nice [TS]

  but it's not the most durable thing in [TS]

  the world and I feel like they're just [TS]

  leaving this as a quote-unquote third [TS]

  party opportunity which is Apple's kind [TS]

  of codeword for fu and if you don't like [TS]

  it fine have some other company deal [TS]

  with it we're not dealing with it we [TS]

  never drop our stuff ours never [TS]

  scratches we don't put sand in our [TS]

  pockets all our couches our magnetics or [TS]

  devices stick to it I don't know so [TS]

  that's a let's say really quickly thanks [TS]

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  thanks someone in the chatroom is asking [TS]

  if these if everything I'm complaining [TS]

  about it really problems compared to non [TS]

  apple products like I tried to say in [TS]

  the beginning I'm not comparing Apple to [TS]

  other manufacturers other manufactures [TS]

  so beneath me my concern because they're [TS]

  so awful I'm comparing Apple to an ideal [TS]

  same thing apples comparing yourself to [TS]

  apples not competing against other [TS]

  manufacturers who's competing events its [TS]

  own ideals and its own head of like [TS]

  righteousness thing we can make it just [TS]

  because Apple's probably you know miles [TS]

  better than the other companies that are [TS]

  out there on the PC side especially [TS]

  making high [TS]

  where that doesn't mean they can't [TS]

  improve things and you mentioned Docs I [TS]

  mean that's that's the whole problem [TS]

  that people are always complaining about [TS]

  is that every time a new new iPhone [TS]

  comes out for example you got to throw [TS]

  away all the other Docs that you've had [TS]

  for years and adjust up to the to the [TS]

  new one and for a while you would get [TS]

  manufacturers doing these weird little [TS]

  dock adapters that even though they [TS]

  supposedly had one for each version of [TS]

  the iPod or iPhone that came out they [TS]

  never quite fit you know and that's [TS]

  where we are now now that my wife and I [TS]

  are finally allowed to have allowed by [TS]

  Verizon to have iPhones again you know [TS]

  that that's the situation she's in she's [TS]

  like okay still have to get for this and [TS]

  can't we use the dock that we were using [TS]

  that worked perfectly for the iPad well [TS]

  no we can't use that dock because it [TS]

  doesn't exactly fit the iPhone and now [TS]

  so do we get another talk do we get a [TS]

  case that you can take the bottom part [TS]

  off to put into the dock no we don't [TS]

  really want to have to do that or maybe [TS]

  we'll get that case anyway but then do [TS]

  you really want to be removing half of [TS]

  your case every time you want to charge [TS]

  it up yeah it is it was really a hassle [TS]

  I'm almost amazed that Apple did the [TS]

  universal dock connector you know that [TS]

  where they gave the little inserts yeah [TS]

  that's that seems like a very uh Napa [TS]

  like solution because it isn't elegant [TS]

  it doesn't look nice but I guess at a [TS]

  certain point people just get insane [TS]

  that they're buying these $30 glorified [TS]

  pieces of plastic with metal Connect [TS]

  during them yeah I forgot about the [TS]

  cases where you take off the bottom [TS]

  talked about a way to damage your your [TS]

  device if you're gonna slide something [TS]

  on and off it every day everything's [TS]

  gonna scratch do you do you have a case [TS]

  usik do you have an iPhone 4 I don't [TS]

  have an iPhone that's another show by [TS]

  the way [TS]

  no no iPhones at all [TS]

  but I do have lots of iPod that's just [TS]

  really that's a surprise [TS]

  I'm you should have known that about me [TS]

  yeah we could do a show about that maybe [TS]

  we need just to do that show right now [TS]

  and why I don't have an iPhone that'll [TS]

  derail it that'll be real entirely save [TS]

  it leave a that's at the top of my list [TS]

  right now we got to talk about that next [TS]

  week that's number one topic we get that [TS]

  we zoom through the realize um I bit [TS]

  before I ever said it's like you think [TS]

  you know somebody like you knew I didn't [TS]

  have an iPhone because I needed to be on [TS]

  Verizon you knew that I talked about all [TS]

  times right I totally closeted you're [TS]

  like closeted not closeted everyone who [TS]

  knows me knows like I guess you're [TS]

  saying I don't know [TS]

  no and that hurt I think I mention it to [TS]

  hurt for but you just don't listen that [TS]

  hurts - truth hurts but before before I [TS]

  leave the durability topic yeah this is [TS]

  something this whole durability thing is [TS]

  like an article that I wanted to write [TS]

  forever but never wrote because they're [TS]

  just too whiny so but it works better in [TS]

  a podcast but like I was going to write [TS]

  this I guess before the iPhone came out [TS]

  or whatever but it's been online for [TS]

  ages this whole durability thing and the [TS]

  thing about durability and size size and [TS]

  durability are that like the two most [TS]

  powerful tools a maker of any kind of [TS]

  physical product has for encouraging [TS]

  fanatical loyalty rabid crazy person [TS]

  loyalty yeah [TS]

  and now maybe you don't want that maybe [TS]

  that's not important and certainly [TS]

  doesn't translate into sales but say you [TS]

  want to make something that you want to [TS]

  have this tiny little core of insane [TS]

  people who will never buy anything else [TS]

  who love your stuff so much make your [TS]

  thing incredibly durable or if it's [TS]

  something you carry make it small and [TS]

  light with laptops it's particularly [TS]

  important small light and I'll give an [TS]

  example like say well I don't know [TS]

  enough about either one of these [TS]

  products to be accurate but pretend that [TS]

  I actually do and pretend this is [TS]

  actually true the two examples are going [TS]

  to give our snap on and that name of [TS]

  that drill company that makes was really [TS]

  powerful drills that I can't remember [TS]

  people who like those things are insane [TS]

  about them because they're just the [TS]

  highest quality in the most [TS]

  indestructible things you could possibly [TS]

  imagine in in a past life John when I [TS]

  was a teenager I used to work in an auto [TS]

  mechanic and I one of the mechanics that [TS]

  I used to know he didn't work there but [TS]

  he worked elsewhere and I I was talking [TS]

  to him and he was a snap-on guy and all [TS]

  his tools are snap I like it like for [TS]

  people who don't know about this like [TS]

  that just a basic snap-on screwdriver is [TS]

  gonna cost you know 50 to 100 bucks and [TS]

  you'd say that's create and of course [TS]

  this guy's got a whole tool chest fold [TS]

  these things he's a lifelong mechanic [TS]

  you know from came from the Air Force or [TS]

  the the army and and out of a mechanic [TS]

  his whole life and this is all he would [TS]

  use and I would say well the guys at the [TS]

  you know the place where I work they all [TS]

  have you know they all just use a [TS]

  craftsman there and if you know those [TS]

  things break they give you you know they [TS]

  give you a brand new one [TS]

  - snap-on do and he just like Tammy said [TS]

  they don't break yeah I mean that's kind [TS]

  of more of a high-end kind of thing than [TS]

  durability but durability is factored [TS]

  into it it's the same type of thing [TS]

  craftsman does have the guaranteed for [TS]

  life but you break those things like [TS]

  crazy I've broken Craftsman tools um but [TS]

  but they are way more expensive but I'm [TS]

  thinking more like in terms of laptops [TS]

  remember how like the power broke 100 [TS]

  had this crazy following yeah because [TS]

  because it was small yeah it was really [TS]

  small once you carry that as compared to [TS]

  the gigantic you know floor tiles that [TS]

  they had back then it was just you just [TS]

  become crazy loyal to it and another [TS]

  example is like I don't know the Sony [TS]

  Walkman or any sort of like technology [TS]

  product if you have one and you travel [TS]

  with it for like five years and the [TS]

  thing just keeps on ticking not a single [TS]

  thing goes wrong no connector breaks you [TS]

  know sand gets inside it doesn't matter [TS]

  water gets on it you spill stomp on it's [TS]

  just indestructible you become so [TS]

  insanely loyal like especially that's a [TS]

  brand whatever brand thing that is [TS]

  you're like I'm never buying another one [TS]

  of whatever these things are again [TS]

  unless it's blah durability makes people [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  now Apple's products are way way way on [TS]

  the bad side of durability especially [TS]

  when it comes to preserving their [TS]

  original like beautiful appearance [TS]

  because they don't wear well size wise [TS]

  apples doing pretty well the heirs is [TS]

  getting some people people get a little [TS]

  bit crazy about them because once you [TS]

  carry an heir around you're like yes [TS]

  this is the way it should always be but [TS]

  durability wise it's kind of like having [TS]

  a beautiful butterfly in your hand [TS]

  you're like Oh put it in a case and [TS]

  don't rub it on anything because they [TS]

  don't they don't wear well they're not [TS]

  like a guy who I read a lot of a blog [TS]

  from what's-his-name koi bin I don't [TS]

  know how that's your that's right yeah [TS]

  cool if not but he's got subtraction [TS]

  dot-com he's got a blog post there from [TS]

  years ago that when I read I'm like yes [TS]

  you are you are one of my people he was [TS]

  talking about how cast iron pan as you [TS]

  use it becomes more beautiful like the [TS]

  aesthetic of a cast iron pan is not the [TS]

  way it looks when it's brand new from [TS]

  the factory but the way it looks after [TS]

  it's been used for its intended purpose [TS]

  for many years it becomes more beautiful [TS]

  the article is entitled it is it is [TS]

  entitled to designed deterioration and [TS]

  it was written on [TS]

  in July of 2007 yes that and that that [TS]

  really resonated with me because I feel [TS]

  the same way an apple you may say you [TS]

  can't do that like cast-iron pan is is [TS]

  going to look more beautiful as it gets [TS]

  used and some people might say that an [TS]

  iPod that scratched the hell looks more [TS]

  beautiful but I think it's clearly not [TS]

  the intent of Apple that its devices [TS]

  look all scratched ahead otherwise they [TS]

  would otherwise they would picture them [TS]

  that way right whereas the manufacturer [TS]

  of those cast-iron pans is probably has [TS]

  some you know beauty shot of a cast-iron [TS]

  pan that's a hundred years old that's [TS]

  been beat the hell and that's their you [TS]

  know that's the aesthetic they're going [TS]

  for it saying by our products that look [TS]

  like this eventually isn't it awesome [TS]

  so apples aesthetic seems to be counter [TS]

  to durability and I feel like they're [TS]

  leaving a lot of room here that they [TS]

  could they could get the same fanatical [TS]

  loyalty they do now with like you know [TS]

  they design people who say oh look how [TS]

  beautiful it is in this beautiful [TS]

  lighting and everything in the perfect [TS]

  Photoshop mock-up like apples product [TS]

  Rasika almost unreal I mean they must be [TS]

  untouched in some way retouched in some [TS]

  way but that's that's the look they're [TS]

  going for never been touched by human [TS]

  hands it conceived in a vacuum not a [TS]

  dust speck on it and that's not how they [TS]

  look in real life in real life when you [TS]

  see somebody's got a three year old [TS]

  MacBook especially the plastic ones over [TS]

  there they do not look good really don't [TS]

  wear well things things crack things [TS]

  break and Apple has the opportunity to [TS]

  say they'll take all that design [TS]

  expertise and manufacturing companies [TS]

  and make something that really is [TS]

  indestructible and it wear as well again [TS]

  I think they're doing better with the [TS]

  with the phones I mean they're having [TS]

  this steps with the glass stuff and [TS]

  everything but they're thinking about it [TS]

  you see they're trying to do it they [TS]

  just haven't gotten there yet but on the [TS]

  laptop so like it's a it's a perfect [TS]

  uniform piece of aluminum I guess it's [TS]

  kind of more scratch resistant than it [TS]

  used to be but you use this thing for a [TS]

  while the sharp edges are going to get [TS]

  dings aluminum dents it scratches easily [TS]

  there's a big glass component to it it's [TS]

  not great oh that I I think I missed one [TS]

  in the form of a function looking at my [TS]

  outline no speaking of speaking a laptop [TS]

  with a quick backtrack this one always [TS]

  cracked me up and I actually wrote about [TS]

  it in my original review of the first [TS]

  aluminum MacBook and I'm sure everyone [TS]

  has noticed this subconsciously if not [TS]

  consciously but Apple arranges the ports [TS]

  on the side of their laptops in size [TS]

  order so if you have a Mac laptop now [TS]

  turn it sideways I'm going to look right [TS]

  now they're there range in size are [TS]

  they've always been arranged in size [TS]

  order [TS]

  I never paid any attention to that but [TS]

  but you're right on the side of this one [TS]

  here it's you know it's it's Ethernet [TS]

  USB mini DisplayPort and then the the [TS]

  audio jacks and the little lock cans and [TS]

  thing they get there basically it's [TS]

  smaller the MagSafe actually threw it [TS]

  off a little bit because MagSafe got it [TS]

  was smaller than the old circle but it [TS]

  used to be that they were strictly in [TS]

  size order now they're more or less from [TS]

  big and tall to to small and thin and [TS]

  that looks nice but don't you feel like [TS]

  when you're deciding what order the port [TS]

  should be on the side of your computer [TS]

  maybe function should have a seat at the [TS]

  table [TS]

  seems like saying I don't care what you [TS]

  think is the most convenient one to have [TS]

  forward or back I don't care if you [TS]

  think you know the USB should be in [TS]

  front of the headphone or the headphone [TS]

  should be behind the USB you know I [TS]

  don't care what your arguments are we're [TS]

  doing its size order because that's what [TS]

  Johnny ive wants and that bothers me [TS]

  yeah it's neat in one regard but on the [TS]

  other regard like when you're trying to [TS]

  plug something in and things aren't the [TS]

  way you think they should be like [TS]

  there's no arrangement it's going to [TS]

  please everybody but I just want [TS]

  functionality to have seat at that table [TS]

  come on I want someone to say I don't [TS]

  care that the ethernet port is bigger [TS]

  than the USB port the USB port should be [TS]

  further back because when it's closed up [TS]

  it's annoying if your mousing next to it [TS]

  or you know what I mean yeah that's I'm [TS]

  with you I'm with you all right well I [TS]

  don't understand still there there's I [TS]

  have other issues with the ports in [TS]

  general but that that could be a whole [TS]

  other show in terms of the the [TS]

  durability of the durability of them up [TS]

  and them not having covers those skips [TS]

  or anything yes and and you know I've [TS]

  never seen a good implementation of [TS]

  covers I've just you know on PCs a lot [TS]

  of the time they'll have these sort of [TS]

  rubberized things which is something [TS]

  Apple would never do but but the idea [TS]

  that you have these ports that are [TS]

  literally just gaping holes for things [TS]

  to get in especially if you have a [TS]

  three-year-old or something I mean it [TS]

  just it it seems like if anybody could [TS]

  come up with a better solution for this [TS]

  that Apple would do well the solution [TS]

  long term solution to this I think an [TS]

  apple would probably agree is that [TS]

  connectors are all too big and fidgety [TS]

  to begin with as they get smaller and [TS]

  better then this problem will start to [TS]

  go away and you can start to have some [TS]

  sort of reasonable rubber gasket Emeka [TS]

  nism yeah this segues into my next thing [TS]

  which is perhaps my biggest complaint [TS]

  about recent Apple hardware [TS]

  and I wouldn't call this a blind spot so [TS]

  much as another willful choice that I [TS]

  think is going to bite them in the butt [TS]

  I bring this up and most people disagree [TS]

  with me but we'll see how we go here and [TS]

  it is the iPod dock connector which i [TS]

  think is perhaps the worst hardware [TS]

  technical design decision made by the [TS]

  jobs to our Apple and no one seems to [TS]

  agree with me both let me lay it out [TS]

  yeah lay it out maybe you'll win me on [TS]

  this one so so let me start off by just [TS]

  saying the obvious advantages of the [TS]

  dock connector that's what everyone says [TS]

  oh no you don't understand a doctor is [TS]

  genius you know it's it's proprietary [TS]

  right so you get ecosystem lock-in so I [TS]

  need any devices that you make that work [TS]

  with the iPod only work with the iPod [TS]

  because you know that's what the dock [TS]

  connector does it only it doesn't [TS]

  working on the other I positive music [TS]

  players or phones or anything right and [TS]

  it and you can use the proprietary [TS]

  nature to enforce officially licensed [TS]

  materials you know if you want to get [TS]

  the design to work with iPod then you've [TS]

  got to pay a license fee to make [TS]

  anything with a dock connector on it and [TS]

  if you don't make it officially licensed [TS]

  thing Apple will screw you by putting a [TS]

  different size resistor in the next line [TS]

  of iPod so that your thing doesn't work [TS]

  with it it will save this this device is [TS]

  not designed to work with this [TS]

  peripheral I don't know if you've ever [TS]

  seen that message but I certainly have [TS]

  and it pisses me off but from Apple's [TS]

  perspective it's an advantage we've got [TS]

  a locked-in ecosystem with people making [TS]

  accessories only for us and we can [TS]

  enforce you know with lawyers that they [TS]

  don't make you know accessories without [TS]

  paying us some you know piece of money [TS]

  for everything that they sell or I don't [TS]

  know what the license because maybe it's [TS]

  a flappy but whatever it is that they're [TS]

  in control and Apple loves control and [TS]

  the other thing people say the dock [TS]

  connector is that it's got lots of stuff [TS]

  on there it's good analog video it's got [TS]

  audio it's got the USB stuff going there [TS]

  it's got more power again so your pins [TS]

  yeah it's it's got it's pretty good what [TS]

  it has the other thing is that you can [TS]

  put more power over than you can't over [TS]

  USB connector because it's not a USB [TS]

  thing technically so you can no you know [TS]

  overrun it if you connect like you know [TS]

  those ones that have like a wall plug [TS]

  and the other end dock connector USB the [TS]

  USB standard is not involved anywhere in [TS]

  that connection so you can do things you [TS]

  can't do over USB [TS]

  but this connector this thing that they [TS]

  made flies in the face of what Apple of [TS]

  all companies should know having been [TS]

  around a long time that connectors in [TS]

  the computer industry are going in one [TS]

  direction for the entire life of the [TS]

  computer [TS]

  industry they're going from parallel to [TS]

  serial and pretty much almost never the [TS]

  reverse direction it used to be every [TS]

  connector that connected our computer at [TS]

  800 pins and it was was you know three [TS]

  inches wide and over time that the [TS]

  connectors got a little bit less wide [TS]

  but mostly because they made the pins [TS]

  small over then the pins were breaking [TS]

  so they made little contacts instead of [TS]

  pins eventually on the on the PC every [TS]

  one of these things that used to be a [TS]

  gigantic parallel thing with lots of [TS]

  wires going through it became serial [TS]

  four wires you know power send and [TS]

  receive USB came and sort of swamped [TS]

  everything else it's it's just a serial [TS]

  connection the wires are thinner you [TS]

  know everything else hard drive scuzzy [TS]

  cables used to be the size of my wrist [TS]

  you couldn't even bend the frigging [TS]

  things you know good scuzzy cables were [TS]

  just ridiculous it's huge giant [TS]

  connectors on the head I know if you [TS]

  ever had the pleasure of dealing with [TS]

  Africa with the standard it's called [TS]

  like micro skies II nobody's got the [TS]

  back of the Sun machine yeah yeah [TS]

  zillions in like a one-inch area those [TS]

  were those are really tough and God [TS]

  forbid you know you're putting them in [TS]

  you get that crunch sound yeah yeah and [TS]

  and the worst part of it was that those [TS]

  cables because there are so many wires [TS]

  and then the cables were super super [TS]

  thick but then they'd have this [TS]

  relatively weak little connection point [TS]

  and if if you if you were behind there [TS]

  and you just bump one you'd hear that [TS]

  sound and you'd know something terrible [TS]

  just happened you'd be afraid that the [TS]

  weight of the cables would snap off the [TS]

  connector and it could yeah and like [TS]

  that was the bad old days and now we [TS]

  have serial Attached scuzzy firewire is [TS]

  a sealer serial standard replacing [TS]

  scuzzy reminder scuzzy back in the day [TS]

  everything is going from parallel this [TS]

  year and the reason it's obvious lots [TS]

  and lots of wires is a pain in the butt [TS]

  that means lots of connectors and the [TS]

  connectors have to be small and there's [TS]

  lots of room for stuff to go wrong that [TS]

  little crunch that you hear that little [TS]

  crunch sound that should be familiar to [TS]

  people who are palm users from the old [TS]

  days or anyone who's dealt with scuzzy [TS]

  and everything that's not a good sound [TS]

  that's the sound of a lack of durability [TS]

  that's a sound of fragility and on top [TS]

  of that the other reason you get rid of [TS]

  parallel things is because they're wide [TS]

  they limit the size of the device you [TS]

  can plug them into the current iPod dock [TS]

  connector is bigger than the iPod [TS]

  shuffles that's why they gotta do this [TS]

  stupid headphone thing they can't even [TS]

  use their proprietary connector on their [TS]

  little devices for a while they had the [TS]

  you know the actual USB port on the iPod [TS]

  shuffle which was nice but then they [TS]

  said no we can do it all [TS]

  through the headphone jack but then you [TS]

  got to have a stupid adapter that has a [TS]

  headphone jack on one end and a USB [TS]

  thing on the other or the stupid little [TS]

  dock it's just not good stuff and it [TS]

  seems it seems like obvious like it's [TS]

  not like they made the standard 1982 [TS]

  when everyone was parallel they made it [TS]

  after all the stuff had gone serial [TS]

  after half you know they brought about [TS]

  you know the USB revolution on the [TS]

  desktop sort of by being the first ones [TS]

  to say no no parallel connections just [TS]

  USB with the iMac right and they're the [TS]

  ones who were championing firewire for [TS]

  you know it didn't quite work out the [TS]

  way they wanted but they were saying [TS]

  let's not use scuzzy let's use firewire [TS]

  serial tiny little cables you know and [TS]

  the thing is they really use to no [TS]

  connectors when they made the firewire [TS]

  connector [TS]

  they copied the Gameboy connector I [TS]

  don't know if you remember this but [TS]

  remember the original game boy get his [TS]

  headache had a link connector yes it [TS]

  could connect to the other or someone [TS]

  else right and it was it was smaller [TS]

  than that the 30 pin connector that we [TS]

  have but it was it was very similar now [TS]

  they mention it it was similar to the [TS]

  firewire connector that one said well [TS]

  your Nintendo had done a lot of the [TS]

  legwork here to make a connector that's [TS]

  obviously safe enough for kids to use [TS]

  plug on plug plug unplug constantly and [TS]

  I won't break and sterile and it's a [TS]

  serial connection let's make the fire [TS]

  wire connector you know in the spirit of [TS]

  that I don't know if it was based on it [TS]

  patent wise or whatever certainly not [TS]

  compatible but they look very similar [TS]

  and the start was that they were [TS]

  inspired by that connector so they [TS]

  understood durability serial connectors [TS]

  plug unplug really easily lots of times [TS]

  none of those things applied to the iPod [TS]

  dock connector is not durable you do not [TS]

  want to plug in and unplug it lots of [TS]

  times it's very fidgety they got rid of [TS]

  the little remember back in the day they [TS]

  set the little buttons you would push on [TS]

  the side of the iPod dock connector yeah [TS]

  to disengage the little hole right yeah [TS]

  we still have some of those yeah that [TS]

  they very quickly decided that would [TS]

  beyond the ability of most people to [TS]

  deal with well I always thought that it [TS]

  was because at during that time period [TS]

  you could not safely remove an iPod with [TS]

  or without first ejecting it and I [TS]

  remember at least in my mind maybe I've [TS]

  got this wrong but it seemed like they [TS]

  changed that the the hooks they removed [TS]

  the hooks and little pinch thing from it [TS]

  at the same time that the iPhone came [TS]

  out because they knew the iPhone nobody [TS]

  was gonna was going to do that but the [TS]

  same time the iPhone was like a smarter [TS]

  it could be unplugged and that sort of [TS]

  ushered in the era of you sink and then [TS]

  as soon as the sink is done the iPod or [TS]

  device will say it is safe to remove as [TS]

  opposed to having to eject manually but [TS]

  maybe I've got my timeline wrong but I [TS]

  feel like the timelines do line up but [TS]

  I'm not sure what's causing effects [TS]

  because the iPod Touch has the same [TS]

  thing but for example right now the [TS]

  shuffles you can't unplug you must [TS]

  manually eject [TS]

  they don't have dock connectors right [TS]

  right it mostly comes down to a software [TS]

  thing where they went from white list [TS]

  black list now it's black list on on the [TS]

  on the big iPod Touches and iPhones it's [TS]

  blacklist [TS]

  when we say this you can't pull it out [TS]

  but every other time you can and that [TS]

  was a good move but with the shuffles [TS]

  it's still white lists you know manual [TS]

  eject the thing before you can before [TS]

  you can pull it out but but either way [TS]

  like that's more of a software issue [TS]

  because you know you can't yank out a [TS]

  firewire hard drive when you're in the [TS]

  middle of using it either it's not so [TS]

  that's just a question of what kind of [TS]

  guarantees do you have about you know [TS]

  data it's in flight and stuff like that [TS]

  you can go either way on that the [TS]

  connector itself is just the the problem [TS]

  here yeah and so I feel like the ship is [TS]

  gonna the ship is going to say hell no I [TS]

  what's the what's the expression the [TS]

  chickens are gonna come home to roost on [TS]

  the iPod dock connector sooner rather [TS]

  than later [TS]

  you know at a certain point they're [TS]

  gonna make an iPhone or an iPod Touch [TS]

  it's too thin for them to put the dock [TS]

  connector in they're already getting [TS]

  close if you look at the bottom [TS]

  somewhere yes so you're saying they'll [TS]

  have to move to something else like mini [TS]

  USB yeah well that's what I was saying [TS]

  before about the size of the laptops I [TS]

  think Apple will not jump until the [TS]

  standards start to catch up with them [TS]

  and it may be the one that they're it's [TS]

  currently a pipe dream for Apple is [TS]

  probably light peak Intel's [TS]

  fiber-optic thing where as you can [TS]

  imagine you can make a fiber optic [TS]

  connector really really small and it's [TS]

  so fast that you can get away with just [TS]

  a tiny little thing so well how do you [TS]

  can't charge over light peak you can't [TS]

  do this you know maybe Apple comes up [TS]

  with another proprietary connector it's [TS]

  not so much the proprietary nature of [TS]

  the dock connector that's bad although [TS]

  that is bad but the fact that it's [TS]

  humongous wide crunchy thing with 30 [TS]

  pins on they need to come up with a [TS]

  serial interface the other thing is that [TS]

  parallel interfaces allow you to have [TS]

  fewer chips on the end decoding stuff [TS]

  because you can just route the stuff [TS]

  directly through to [TS]

  no like a video signal can go directly [TS]

  out the pens and blots of advantage to [TS]

  the 30-pin but I think disadvantages are [TS]

  very very quickly starting that way then [TS]

  you really need a better connector than [TS]

  that preferably a serial one now that [TS]

  they have maybe room in there for our [TS]

  fast serial interface to deal with the [TS]

  data router it's kind of like what [TS]

  you're talking about on the show right [TS]

  before this about the cell phone network [TS]

  going to entirely data where a voiceover [TS]

  LTE instead of having a voice network [TS]

  and a data network combine them make one [TS]

  bill put your voice over over the data [TS]

  network it's a stupid historical [TS]

  distinction that's obviously going to go [TS]

  away so let's just do it right also same [TS]

  thing with all the other thing all the [TS]

  other interfaces that come to the dock [TS]

  connector with the exception of power [TS]

  which you can't kind of get around every [TS]

  other thing that used to be on a [TS]

  separate pin turn it into a protocol [TS]

  that you send over the really really [TS]

  fast serial connection and make some [TS]

  sort of hardware and software to decode [TS]

  it it's where you're going to go [TS]

  eventually anyway it's where all these [TS]

  interfaces are going to go do it sooner [TS]

  rather than later before you can't plug [TS]

  that stupid thing into your iPods [TS]

  anymore or your iphones not bad 102 [TS]

  that's not bad we can keep going because [TS]

  we start a little late what else do you [TS]

  get to say you know when you were [TS]

  talking about when you're talking about [TS]

  older hardware and loyalty not [TS]

  necessarily durability another one of [TS]

  those machines that that people just [TS]

  loved was the PowerBook g4 the 12 inch I [TS]

  mean yeah the 12 inch yeah that was that [TS]

  was a size thing where they felt like [TS]

  yes how small can you make a laptop well [TS]

  let's just shove the edges in until the [TS]

  keyboard is practically hanging off the [TS]

  edges and and it was pretty solid like [TS]

  when you closed the lid on the 12-inch [TS]

  PowerBook and you picked it up it felt [TS]

  solid not as solid as the unibody [TS]

  because the inner bodies did trumpet but [TS]

  that's you know a decade later but yeah [TS]

  the 12-inch did have that kind of [TS]

  loyalty that's laptops are like that [TS]

  durability and size and weight it breeds [TS]

  loyalty but if you can make your brand [TS]

  and this is this is something that Apple [TS]

  has not done their brand is not [TS]

  synonymous with durability it's [TS]

  anonymous with lots of other good things [TS]

  and maybe they can't have those are the [TS]

  good things at the same time as they [TS]

  have durability but as Apple's business [TS]

  transitions to more and more devices [TS]

  that you hold in your hand [TS]

  I feel like transitioning the the image [TS]

  of your company to be the company that [TS]

  makes it indestructible stuff is may be [TS]

  beneficial instead of just the company [TS]

  that makes that attractive stuff but [TS]

  that beautiful stuff it's [TS]

  to have beautiful things but durability [TS]

  and and again to their credit I think [TS]

  especially with the iPhones and stuff [TS]

  they're trying to go in that direction [TS]

  they're just not you know they're having [TS]

  missteps I'm not quite sure what you can [TS]

  do it that's why I'm thinking like the [TS]

  iPhone 5 or 6 assuming that the next [TS]

  iPhone is really actually the iPhone 4s [TS]

  and it's just the you know unified model [TS]

  across all things with the faster CPU [TS]

  and more RAM or whatever the next form [TS]

  factor for an iPhone maybe not this year [TS]

  maybe next year I would love to see it [TS]

  be some kind of metal on the back um it [TS]

  needs does need to it does need to be [TS]

  metal is that why you haven't gotten an [TS]

  iPhone no that is not what you want you [TS]

  want to talk about that now you out you [TS]

  got another show to do but I do have [TS]

  another show you know what I mean it's [TS]

  such a great topic I don't want to rush [TS]

  it I want to I want to I want to feel [TS]

  like we have the open road in front of [TS]

  us when we talk about that one that's [TS]

  kind of insular topic who cares why I [TS]

  don't have an iPhone I think people do [TS]

  care I bet I in in fact I don't think I [TS]

  don't think it's a well alright how [TS]

  about this no you know what maybe you've [TS]

  got a point so how about this if you're [TS]

  interested in hearing why John siracusa [TS]

  does not have ia an iPhone write us let [TS]

  us know if we don't get enough responses [TS]

  we won't do it and we got plenty of [TS]

  other topics though of wider [TS]

  applicability I feel like we won't also [TS]

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  everybody except John Gruber and Marco [TS]

  that's right so you're not going to New [TS]

  Zealand next week I'm not I'm not a [TS]

  traveler I neither am i how often do you [TS]

  go to go anywhere do you travel we have [TS]

  although we have that in common the [TS]

  travel phobia but though listening to [TS]

  you what was that last show that you [TS]

  were doing I think it was the last one [TS]

  with Merlin I think you've got me beat [TS]

  on the neuroses area in a couple of ways [TS]

  but I doubt it I'm travel we're probably [TS]

  at i/o you have you a bet you have the [TS]

  OCD thing where you say you were [TS]

  checking the front door I don't have to [TS]

  your Theor thing is starting to plug out [TS]

  you're gonna unplug and replug really [TS]

  quick we're gonna leave this in a back [TS]

  yep yeah no I I don't I don't have that [TS]

  I said I have had that when I was in [TS]

  your have went in a height before I was [TS]

  before was a meditator I used to have [TS]

  issues with OCD and things it was never [TS]

  pair it was never a paralyzing OCD was [TS]

  never like like I'd be halfway to work [TS]

  and I'd have to slam on the brakes to [TS]

  drive back home to like check the the [TS]

  iron in the closet wasn't you know [TS]

  wasn't on or high heating up or [TS]

  something it wasn't like I thought I [TS]

  shut my neighbor's cat in my [TS]

  refrigerator and I had to keep checking [TS]

  it over and over again like I saw a guy [TS]

  doing on a show it'd be like I checked [TS]

  the door and then I better go check it [TS]

  again and that was it I mean it wasn't [TS]

  you know wasn't debilitating well I [TS]

  don't know it I still feel like my [TS]

  particular neuroses have not intrude [TS]

  into my life to that degree but you're [TS]

  over that but travel we can both agree [TS]

  on I don't travel well I don't like it [TS]

  yeah I don't you don't travel at all so [TS]

  like if you're you know I said I don't [TS]

  travel well I feel like with all my [TS]

  neuroses the rational part of my mind is [TS]

  still dominant yeah so I have a better [TS]

  understanding of them but the travel [TS]

  thing it has a rational foundation in [TS]

  that I get massively motion sick do you [TS]

  really see I don't get motion sick at [TS]

  all I'm perfectly at home and anything [TS]

  like we went one time to South Korea [TS]

  and most I mean it you know I'm going to [TS]

  get email but most Koreans it seems from [TS]

  my observation that yeah this is going [TS]

  somewhere good go ahead yeah most [TS]

  Koreans seem to seem to get seasick [TS]

  pretty easily so my my wife and her [TS]

  whole family we all went on this little [TS]

  this little this some kind of I don't [TS]

  know where we weren't near Pusan or [TS]

  something and we went to this thing [TS]

  where they take you out on this boat and [TS]

  the water is very rough they take you [TS]

  out on this boat and you're on the boat [TS]

  for all of about six minutes and they [TS]

  take you out to this other thing it's [TS]

  like an island where you can let go and [TS]

  you know drink the mountain water or [TS]

  whatever I don't so you you basically [TS]

  you take this little boat oh everybody [TS]

  will see everybody on this boat was [TS]

  seasick except me and the captain you're [TS]

  the lucky one that's great I loved it I [TS]

  did that I'm not sure how I would do [TS]

  like a friend of mine went on this he [TS]

  went sailing and and and like was doing [TS]

  one of these things where you sail [TS]

  literally around the world on like a [TS]

  sailboat with like six other people and [TS]

  he's been sailing his whole life and he [TS]

  was he was seasick on this thing a lot [TS]

  that's the thing that people don't [TS]

  understand that the two things about [TS]

  motion sickness is one they think is a [TS]

  character flaw and it like it's it's a [TS]

  reflective of your character it's not a [TS]

  physiological thing and the second thing [TS]

  is they think that they don't get motion [TS]

  sick as I have a newsflash for anybody [TS]

  with a functioning in your ear gets [TS]

  motion sick everybody yeah it's not like [TS]

  where you were if you're sitting in the [TS]

  back seat and you're reading and then I [TS]

  can't read in cars yeah you start to get [TS]

  sick yeah I did that's example I've seen [TS]

  astronauts used to be the one I would [TS]

  give astronauts or jet fighter pilots [TS]

  astronauts and jet fighter pilots get [TS]

  motion sick right to the point of [TS]

  throwing up but the best one I've seen [TS]

  recently which more people which [TS]

  resonates with more people is that the [TS]

  people on Deadliest Catch the people on [TS]

  those boats yeah they get motion sick [TS]

  they puke on the first day that they go [TS]

  out every single time this but it what [TS]

  did you just get used to it over time [TS]

  well yeah you know is getting your sea [TS]

  legs as they call obviously people are [TS]

  susceptible to different degrees I'm [TS]

  ridiculously susceptible to it but some [TS]

  people you'd have to put them on the [TS]

  North Atlantic and when those Deadliest [TS]

  Catch boats to get them to puke or you'd [TS]

  have to put them into a jet plane if [TS]

  seven GS for the very first time in [TS]

  their lives to get them to puke become [TS]

  dry all right yeah driving it's not a [TS]

  problem we could do a whole show on [TS]

  motion sick let's do that [TS]

  disgusting topic but let's do we'll do [TS]

  it we'll do a show we'll call how'd it [TS]

  how to deal with OCD and conquer it [TS]

  how to deal with OCD and conquer it [TS]

  as long as it's you know mild and not [TS]

  debilitating and the effects of motion [TS]

  sickness on college-educated [TS]

  Massachusetts boy the RSI show so many [TS]

  health problems yeah we'll just do a [TS]

  show called Health and Mental Disorders [TS]

  that'll be in our next episode next week [TS]

  it's for you and Marlon to do that's [TS]

  your whole show and mentalism mental [TS]

  disorders with Merlin and alright was so [TS]

  practical that was well we're going to [TS]

  wrap this up because I have to go start [TS]

  that one we're doing a makeup episode so [TS]

  thanks everybody for for tuning in [TS]

  thanks to the sponsors and always John [TS]

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  benjamin on twitter and we'll see you [TS]

  next week bye [TS]

  you [TS]