3: The Mouse is Not a Finger


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  this is episode three of hypercritical a [TS]

  weekly talkshow ruminating on exactly [TS]

  what is wrong the world of Apple and [TS]

  related technologies and businesses [TS]

  nothing is so perfect [TS]

  that it can't be complained about at [TS]

  least not by John siracusa my co-host [TS]

  and I'm Dan Benjamin we would like to [TS]

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  MailChimp calm John siracusa how are you [TS]

  doing just fine [TS]

  Friday afternoon noon noon o'clock yep [TS]

  and as usual we have some topics lined [TS]

  up but we wanted to start and this seems [TS]

  like a theme because you told me ahead [TS]

  of time you said already Dan I already [TS]

  have some some follow up on last week's [TS]

  show so maybe that's how we should start [TS]

  off every show with a little bit of [TS]

  follow up from the previous week's show [TS]

  something you want to complain about [TS]

  yeah I guess it depends on what we [TS]

  talked about because I bet when we do [TS]

  the shows were just like speculating [TS]

  about the future of Apple stuff or [TS]

  whatever maybe there won't be so much [TS]

  follow up at any time we do a practical [TS]

  show talking about you know things you [TS]

  can do on your computer inevitably this [TS]

  I mean there's tons of chat that I [TS]

  missed during the show and then there's [TS]

  email and Twitter and there's always [TS]

  just stuff to follow up on so the back [TS]

  up show is no different got a lot a lot [TS]

  of feedback on that and I asked some [TS]

  questions during the show that people [TS]

  answered afterwards so I just wanted to [TS]

  to follow up on that because not [TS]

  everybody reads my Twitter stream or [TS]

  reads the show notes alright so let's [TS]

  get that out of the way [TS]

  shame on everybody who doesn't follow [TS]

  John on Twitter because John only has [TS]

  like a couple thousand followers which [TS]

  is weird because you have you know every [TS]

  time you do a post on ours you're going [TS]

  to get a hundred thousand readers that [TS]

  afternoon so people can can follow you [TS]

  on twitter siracusa there's Serie cute [TS]

  nosy right nosy sound and definitely [TS]

  nosey letter as well all right si RAC [TS]

  you si and I'm Dan Benjamin on Twitter [TS]

  and people should know that already but [TS]

  it followed John and then you can [TS]

  interact John actually reads his Twitter [TS]

  and he responds to you that's the nice [TS]

  thing about not having a lot of [TS]

  followers is that I can actually respond [TS]

  to a reasonable percentage of the people [TS]

  who reply to me you aren't spam bots [TS]

  right but Twitter Twitter's weird like [TS]

  with a number of followers like some [TS]

  people have just huge numbers of [TS]

  followers all out of proportion to like [TS]

  the amount of time as they tweet or you [TS]

  know there's like celebrities who tweet [TS]

  once a month right million followers [TS]

  well it's because they're a celebrity so [TS]

  it's it kind of like I can't know I [TS]

  don't know I can't figure out anything [TS]

  online that's similar to it but people [TS]

  are following to express their their [TS]

  appreciation for the person and if it's [TS]

  a famous person lots of people like them [TS]

  so by following the things they're [TS]

  saying I really like you know celebrity [TS]

  X Y Z but then they never read that [TS]

  person's tweets or maybe they never use [TS]

  Twitter again or if that celebrity [TS]

  doesn't tweet more than three times a [TS]

  year they forgot that they follow them [TS]

  but it seems like it's just a measure of [TS]

  name recognition more than a measure of [TS]

  the people who are good to follow so [TS]

  when Twitter tries to recommend people [TS]

  it gives recommendations based on [TS]

  similar follows and stuff but it there's [TS]

  no way to express like yeah follow this [TS]

  person but I also like the tweets I find [TS]

  our tweets informative you know a lot of [TS]

  the people I follow have very few [TS]

  followers but I feel like the content of [TS]

  the tweets is you know tailored just for [TS]

  me whereas some people I follow have [TS]

  millions of followers and I would not [TS]

  rate them as highly as the other people [TS]

  that I follow [TS]

  well Johnny also seems like there's a [TS]

  threshold as far as as far as the the [TS]

  whole following phenomenon and it it [TS]

  seems to work that the people who have [TS]

  a a modest number a high number but a [TS]

  modest number of followers like like you [TS]

  and anywhere in that ten thousand range [TS]

  you're right up there it seems like at [TS]

  that point you can still communicate [TS]

  pretty well with the people that follow [TS]

  you it's not overwhelming you don't you [TS]

  know you can you can respond and you're [TS]

  but there's enough people that you're [TS]

  not going to say Oh got a nice haircut [TS]

  today you know you're aware that there's [TS]

  an audience there but then when you when [TS]

  you get I've noticed that when you get [TS]

  into that hundred thousand range which [TS]

  seems to be the next big threshold uh [TS]

  it's almost impossible to tweet without [TS]

  upsetting somebody I don't really care [TS]

  about upsetting people but even with my [TS]

  meager following that I have I do feel [TS]

  some responsibility - if you were to [TS]

  look back in my Twitter stream I want it [TS]

  to be like what you would expect so I [TS]

  think what people expect when they [TS]

  follow me is for me to talk about Mac [TS]

  Apple tech news gaming stuff [TS]

  occasionally a sneek went in there about [TS]

  you know my kids or whatever but for the [TS]

  most part it's not going to be you know [TS]

  a stream about what I ate for dinner a [TS]

  particular day right it's just the [TS]

  majority of it is going to be mac nerd [TS]

  tech news because that's what I think [TS]

  people are expecting when they follow me [TS]

  so I do feel that responsibility I felt [TS]

  that even when I have like 300 followers [TS]

  because you just don't want to annoy [TS]

  other people with trivial stuff you know [TS]

  no I'm with you and I don't I never knew [TS]

  you I said you know people get upset [TS]

  about everything that really doesn't [TS]

  bother me if someone has a legitimate [TS]

  point and they're also upset that's [TS]

  still worth responding to but I don't [TS]

  think I would feel impaired if hundreds [TS]

  of thousands of people were following me [TS]

  and everything I said got anger [TS]

  responses people would get angry about [TS]

  everything [TS]

  that's true including me she was always [TS]

  tyrant yes oh shut up backup stuff so [TS]

  I'm gonna start out with a said tale I [TS]

  think I mentioned this last time that my [TS]

  sister was having hard disk problems I [TS]

  thought I did but her story has taken [TS]

  the turn for the worst so she has a [TS]

  problem with her internal drive which I [TS]

  tried to debug over remote desktop and [TS]

  Disk Utility wasn't having couldn't [TS]

  couldn't fix it and so the choices are [TS]

  like well buy something like this [TS]

  warrior or try another utility or [TS]

  or you know I told her to take her whole [TS]

  Mac to the to the Apple store and see [TS]

  what they could do and they ended up [TS]

  replacing tons of stuff like the [TS]

  motherboard and the hard drive Melissa [TS]

  things like that [TS]

  and I had her you know a fire wire [TS]

  attached Time Machine drive but then she [TS]

  told me that her firewire external hard [TS]

  drive had gone bad months ago and so she [TS]

  didn't do anything about it because a [TS]

  regular person you know all that you [TS]

  know they see that box attached and they [TS]

  know that I told them they have to keep [TS]

  plugged in involved blah and they know [TS]

  that it's for backup purposes I [TS]

  understand right they understand that [TS]

  you know this is my but then they just [TS]

  don't think they just don't think if [TS]

  there's not that important to them so [TS]

  when their internal drive goes bad you [TS]

  know and you explain to them well you [TS]

  see the backup Drive that's been broken [TS]

  for a month I that was your safety net [TS]

  yeah I mean I mean now you have two [TS]

  broken drives and you know all her [TS]

  pictures of her kids and all her movies [TS]

  and everything are on these two broken [TS]

  drives so now she's at the mercy of you [TS]

  know Drive savers which is quoting her [TS]

  like anywhere from $700 to $2,500 to [TS]

  restore from either one of those disks [TS]

  have you ever used a service like that I [TS]

  never have thankfully but I would if I [TS]

  had to like if I all I had was you know [TS]

  like she does two damaged disk drives [TS]

  with all my pictures and my kids in them [TS]

  I would pay almost anything to get those [TS]

  things off of there um but the fact [TS]

  she's looking into that now is like [TS]

  she's notoriously a cheapskate about [TS]

  buying technology stuff she's kind of [TS]

  like like that Seinfeld episode where [TS]

  the old people don't want to buy [TS]

  batteries I don't know if you've watched [TS]

  sign oh yeah yeah buys batteries because [TS]

  battery seemed like such an alien thing [TS]

  that you shouldn't have to pay money for [TS]

  well same thing there with technology [TS]

  pay so much money for a computer it just [TS]

  seems silly right because it's not [TS]

  something in her mind Lane but she uses [TS]

  it like crazy she's on internet all the [TS]

  time or whatever was just that people [TS]

  can't overcome that barrier people have [TS]

  the pass off for true they can't [TS]

  overcome the barrier of paying money for [TS]

  software despite the fact that they use [TS]

  it constantly and derive huge value from [TS]

  it it's just not in the category in [TS]

  their mind of things they want to pay [TS]

  for so now you know because she didn't [TS]

  want to bother getting that external [TS]

  hard drive fixed or didn't seem [TS]

  important enough to her or whatever or [TS]

  she didn't want to pay to replace it if [TS]

  it was really broken pay the 200 bucks [TS]

  or whatever now she's staring it and [TS]

  down at you know eight hundred to twenty [TS]

  five hundred dollar bill Wow [TS]

  try to get her data back on there's no [TS]

  guarantees on that I mean [TS]

  it was there an opportunity to try [TS]

  people in the chat room or saying this [TS]

  to if you know something like dis score [TS]

  you're on it or was there was that was [TS]

  it beyond hope well that that was my [TS]

  suggestion she doesn't have any of these [TS]

  programs so I said well you're gonna [TS]

  have to get disc warrior and try it and [TS]

  you know just worries 100 bucks it's [TS]

  still cheaper than drive service but [TS]

  there's no guarantee I mean this could [TS]

  be two failed mechanisms she's had them [TS]

  for years and the other thing is disc [TS]

  warriors potentially well I don't know [TS]

  they say it's not they say it's going to [TS]

  rebuild your directory index separately [TS]

  and not write a single thing to your [TS]

  disk until it's sure that it can restore [TS]

  it exactly but I always get weary of [TS]

  using a software product to try to fix a [TS]

  disc when it is literally my only [TS]

  repository for this data you know if I [TS]

  had back up some stuff I would try to [TS]

  restore it and you know in the old days [TS]

  like Norton you tell you something would [TS]

  bring your disc back to a consistent [TS]

  state but you'd lose a folder or two or [TS]

  you lose a couple of files or you know [TS]

  any files that are on those damaged of [TS]

  blocks or something you might lose them [TS]

  and when this is your only copy [TS]

  potentially your only copy I I really [TS]

  would rather have you know drive savers [TS]

  scour the disk with whatever crazy [TS]

  machines they have and just pull every [TS]

  single byte off of there and just [TS]

  restore everything in a non-invasive way [TS]

  so this but this brings up a question [TS]

  though and this is something that that [TS]

  you identified on the last show very [TS]

  very good advice is that everybody needs [TS]

  to know that hard drives fail and it's [TS]

  it's not a matter of if it's a matter of [TS]

  when whether it's a year or less or [TS]

  whether it's a couple years you know [TS]

  that that's a legitimate concern but [TS]

  should you be thinking about that I mean [TS]

  if you have a computer that's three [TS]

  years old should you be saying to [TS]

  yourself in the back your mind this hard [TS]

  drive is probably going to fail sometime [TS]

  soon I use this thing eight hours a day [TS]

  every day it's been for you know three [TS]

  something years this thing's going to go [TS]

  the same way that you can go and you say [TS]

  to your you know oh man we put fifty [TS]

  thousand miles a year on this car after [TS]

  after a certain amount of time the tires [TS]

  are going to need to be replaced the [TS]

  brakes are going to need to be replaced [TS]

  it's just stuff you need to do should [TS]

  you think of it like that I think if you [TS]

  go down that road that's what makes you [TS]

  that's probably what made my sister say [TS]

  oh this is a new computer it's it's a [TS]

  flat-screen iMac maybe two generations [TS]

  ago but in her mind is still a new [TS]

  computer so I think it'll be fine you [TS]

  have to have your backup plan in place [TS]

  day one and not wait until you get that [TS]

  nagging feeling like you would with an [TS]

  old car because people are not good at [TS]

  getting that feeling about computers you [TS]

  know and she's a great example she still [TS]

  considered this her new computer because [TS]

  her old iMac was one of those lampshade [TS]

  ones all right with the bendable neck [TS]

  see yeah that's that's her old I feel [TS]

  this is clear this is clearer than new [TS]

  one so of course the new ones not going [TS]

  to break that's I think what was making [TS]

  her not take action on getting her [TS]

  backup hard drive fixed screeches like [TS]

  well you know it was a backup but so [TS]

  what this is the new iMac I'm sure it'll [TS]

  be fine so I don't think you can rely on [TS]

  that feeling you have to really have [TS]

  your backups from day one going and then [TS]

  you might still get that feeling I [TS]

  certainly do and maybe that'll make you [TS]

  a little bit extra vigilant about your [TS]

  backups maybe increase the frequency you [TS]

  know like I would increase the frequency [TS]

  with my SuperDuper backup so I felt like [TS]

  my hard drive was three years old or [TS]

  something but you can't rely on that you [TS]

  just have to assume that any second it's [TS]

  going to go bad you have to have a plan [TS]

  for it well I talked to Dave nanion this [TS]

  morning apparently he's been you know [TS]

  touring or what I don't know you know [TS]

  what everyday he travels and stuff [TS]

  skiing in the Alps or so yeah something [TS]

  like that and I asked him if he had [TS]

  listened to last week's hypercritical [TS]

  and he said no I haven't listened up and [TS]

  I've been you know I was on the slopes [TS]

  or whatever the software developers get [TS]

  to do and and I said you know you need [TS]

  to listen to it because we talked about [TS]

  super duper a quite a bit in it and I've [TS]

  had a lot of people over the last week [TS]

  asking me about that product in [TS]

  particular I but I wanted to get your [TS]

  take so if I had to get a recommendation [TS]

  from you do you think that cloning is [TS]

  better and I know there's a hard [TS]

  question answer is cloning better than [TS]

  incremental backups in general from your [TS]

  perspective for the regular I'm talking [TS]

  for the regular person I don't think it [TS]

  is because it's not built into the [TS]

  operating system for it's the same [TS]

  reason I gave last time that I was [TS]

  recommending a time machine over [TS]

  SuperDuper because you doesn't require [TS]

  you to buy another piece of software [TS]

  even though it's cheap and well worth [TS]

  the money it doesn't require you to [TS]

  remember to set it up and run it and set [TS]

  it on a schedule or any of those things [TS]

  that there's so much that can go wrong [TS]

  for people who are not into computers [TS]

  getting that scenario set up whereas [TS]

  with time machine literally all you have [TS]

  to do is the hardware especially with a [TS]

  desktop you just plug it in turn it on [TS]

  once and forget it even exists [TS]

  it's not as good in time in the time of [TS]

  a restore maybe because like if you if [TS]

  you say alright my main harder it goes [TS]

  bad I want to be able to reboot into a [TS]

  working system within 15 minutes [TS]

  super duper is your only choice there [TS]

  right if something goes wrong and you're [TS]

  using time machine you have to go [TS]

  through the whole time machine restore [TS]

  procedure you can't boot from your time [TS]

  machine drive you probably need to buy [TS]

  another hard drive but I think this [TS]

  impediment is probably appropriate for [TS]

  regular people because you don't want [TS]

  them to be able to immediately boot into [TS]

  the secondary drive because now they're [TS]

  sailing without a net and a regular [TS]

  person will just keep using that [TS]

  secondary drive for months until it goes [TS]

  bad you don't I mean yeah so time [TS]

  machine is still my recommendation for [TS]

  non tech savvy none you know the people [TS]

  who aren't into computers they just want [TS]

  to use it I want it to work I have to go [TS]

  with time machine it's built in and all [TS]

  of the things that are annoying to geeks [TS]

  about it I think would actually help [TS]

  regular people make sure they do the [TS]

  right thing [TS]

  geeks of course should know the [TS]

  trade-offs and use whichever one they [TS]

  find is appropriate I think they would [TS]

  know that I've rebooted my SuperDuper [TS]

  backup I missed whatever files that have [TS]

  been changed since then so maybe a day's [TS]

  worth of work I know I'm now sailing [TS]

  without a net I know I can't use this [TS]

  permanently I know I need to figure out [TS]

  what's wrong with the internal drive and [TS]

  buy a new one or fix it or whatever you [TS]

  know it's totally different for people [TS]

  who are listeners of the show basically [TS]

  but now that for the non [TS]

  computer or savvy listeners of the [TS]

  show's family I would say Time Machine [TS]

  ok alright so let me move on so he gets [TS]

  a couple more follow up things here [TS]

  people kept asking where I said to buy [TS]

  hard drives from and I guess I misspoke [TS]

  or wasn't clear with the site I was [TS]

  referring to which will be in the show [TS]

  notes and I actually put it in last [TS]

  week's show knowledge to is storage [TS]

  review.com and it's not to buy hard [TS]

  drives is to research them if you were a [TS]

  nerd and you want to know which hard [TS]

  drive mechanism has the best balance of [TS]

  performance price capacity and noise or [TS]

  whatever criteria you want they have [TS]

  this awesome tool there with a bunch of [TS]

  checkboxes you can compare drives on any [TS]

  criteria that you want and then put a [TS]

  big graph of them it's it's excellent [TS]

  any time I buy a hard drive since I [TS]

  mostly buy internals I go to that side [TS]

  and figure out what is the the top drive [TS]

  and they have they have these leader [TS]

  boards they call them where they show [TS]

  you what's the best desktop hard drive [TS]

  you can buy and they usually give one or [TS]

  two choices and what's the best clap top [TS]

  hard drive what's the best SSD what's [TS]

  the best you know home theater hard [TS]

  drive and I tend to shop mostly by price [TS]

  cassadee and speed but I also always [TS]

  throw in noise because I'm really [TS]

  sensitive to that so I love how you how [TS]

  you say to the people who are listening [TS]

  to the show well if you're nerds you I [TS]

  don't know they're all I was listening [TS]

  anyone goes it's not it's not an insult [TS]

  to call somebody nerd in 2011 I don't [TS]

  know I still be an insult but mmm we're [TS]

  all nerds we know who we are [TS]

  yeah very shouldn't be it's not an [TS]

  insult to nerds insult to people who [TS]

  don't want like to think of themselves [TS]

  so where do you buy your drives from [TS]

  yeah so then I after a researcher that [TS]

  just gives me a product name and that [TS]

  side has like links to different places [TS]

  you can buy them in price checking [TS]

  things or whatever but I tend to just go [TS]

  to my old standbys I like Newegg I have [TS]

  a lot of good luck with them they have [TS]

  usually have good prices newegg.com I [TS]

  buy from Amazon I just sometimes do [TS]

  Google searches and sort by price and [TS]

  find the first dealer that I find [TS]

  reputable with the mechanism but the [TS]

  hard drive mechanism when you're buying [TS]

  a raw mechanism there's nothing that [TS]

  comes in the box it's just the dry [TS]

  there's no cabling there's no stuff like [TS]

  that the warranty is provided by the [TS]

  manufacturer not by the company that you [TS]

  buy through so I'm not really that [TS]

  worried about the vendor you just pick [TS]

  wherever has a cheapest price on it you [TS]

  feel as long as it's not really [TS]

  fly-by-night you know yeah I usually go [TS]

  the Amazon yeah that's you know if you [TS]

  have Amazon Prime yeah shipping it's [TS]

  just yeah Amazon Prime is the best thing [TS]

  in the world if you buy one TV every [TS]

  three years you more than pay for Amazon [TS]

  company something I think people don't [TS]

  know about Amazon Prime is that you can [TS]

  go in on it with several different [TS]

  people so whatever the price is per year [TS]

  you can split that among several people [TS]

  right or you can you can give it to [TS]

  family members who might want to need it [TS]

  as their Christmas gift it's you if you [TS]

  by any reasonable amount of stuff from [TS]

  Amazon during a year you will easily [TS]

  make your money back and Christmas slow [TS]

  and you might get back on shipping and [TS]

  it's just great because I no longer have [TS]

  to worry about bundling up products into [TS]

  multiple shipments I mean if I look at [TS]

  new egg in the price for something I was [TS]

  just actually looking this morning at a [TS]

  Western Digital caviar black drive one [TS]

  terabyte drive and I think it's like 89 [TS]

  bucks at new egg and it's you know are [TS]

  89 bucks at Amazon and 84 bucks plus [TS]

  shipping at new egg but I can get free [TS]

  shipping at Amazon and ones a you know [TS]

  but it's it drives you're so [TS]

  competitively priced these days so [TS]

  you're really not going to find a big [TS]

  difference a what's the next thing on [TS]

  your list [TS]

  so I've got I was trying to remember the [TS]

  name of that other s3 based backup [TS]

  service that's a backup service that [TS]

  uses Amazon's s3 service for its storage [TS]

  so you end up having to pay a fee for [TS]

  the s3 storage as well as paying for the [TS]

  application right and I couldn't [TS]

  remember the name of it but I looked it [TS]

  up afterwards and it's arc AR Q it's by [TS]

  haystack software it's haystack software [TS]

  comm /a RQ a or Q and it's it's kind of [TS]

  like an Indy Mac version of this where [TS]

  they're concentrating 1% on the Mac if [TS]

  you look at their home page for this [TS]

  product they they show how they are the [TS]

  only product and the ones that they list [TS]

  anyway it does 100% save and restore of [TS]

  all Mac specific metadata there's a [TS]

  little program called backup bouncer [TS]

  that it's like a benchmark but they'll [TS]

  make a bunch of files with esoteric [TS]

  metadata set and you're supposed to back [TS]

  them up with your software and then [TS]

  restore it and then it will diff the two [TS]

  and see if you missed any flags or [TS]

  missed any permissions or ACLs or the [TS]

  millions of other things that could be [TS]

  in there and their product is the only [TS]

  one that passes all the tests with [TS]

  flying colors no it is a little bit more [TS]

  expensive because s3 charges you for you [TS]

  know sending and receiving it also [TS]

  charges you for the permanent storage it [TS]

  really depends on how much data you have [TS]

  I guess but it's not like one of those [TS]

  flat rate unlimited things but it is [TS]

  definitely interesting and I really like [TS]

  when I see a product that boasts on its [TS]

  homepage we understand the Mac we do [TS]

  this better than anybody and I've been [TS]

  on the back of all the other companies [TS]

  you know by Twitter or various email [TS]

  feedback to say you guys have to be [TS]

  better about saving and restoring Mac [TS]

  metadata like I said with Backblaze it [TS]

  is not good about doing that and I'm [TS]

  accepting that trade-off just because [TS]

  it's inexpensive and that's not what I I [TS]

  plan on using it for but I'm definitely [TS]

  aware of this issue and I just wish [TS]

  everybody would get better at that we [TS]

  could do a whole show and meditate it - [TS]

  yes maybe that'll be a different one Wow [TS]

  what else available and CrashPlan a lot [TS]

  of people talking about CrashPlan i [TS]

  mentioned it on the other thing i said [TS]

  if i was going to go from back plays the [TS]

  first place I would look is CrashPlan [TS]

  lots of people like it I've heard bad [TS]

  things about the Java client and I've [TS]

  got the feedback on the show some people [TS]

  agree the Java client is a little bit [TS]

  bloated and on Mac like but other people [TS]

  say they've had no problems with in it [TS]

  it seems snappy to them so I guess it [TS]

  just depends on what your expectations [TS]

  are but the pricing now is very close to [TS]

  what back place has the only downside is [TS]

  that I think don't think they have a [TS]

  month-to-month option [TS]

  and one crash my feature that it didn't [TS]

  mention that a lot of people are fans of [TS]

  is that you can send your data to [TS]

  another Mac that has crash plane on it [TS]

  right so you don't have to send it to s3 [TS]

  or up into their cloud thing I think you [TS]

  can even do this for free with their [TS]

  free version if you and your buddy both [TS]

  get free versions and you both have [TS]

  Fastnet connections you can backup to [TS]

  each other rather than outright or even [TS]

  even if it's just you you can back up to [TS]

  another one in another location you [TS]

  could backup you could put an old Mac on [TS]

  you know on your your parents network at [TS]

  home or whatever and and use it you [TS]

  could do it on the same network so that [TS]

  that was going to mention that too that [TS]

  they do have some compelling features [TS]

  the only downside and it's really not [TS]

  that big of a downside I have used the [TS]

  CrashPlan client it's not a bad client [TS]

  it doesn't necessarily feel and look and [TS]

  work exactly like all the Mac OS 10 apps [TS]

  that we were used to but it's not bad so [TS]

  lets you know that that's a certainly a [TS]

  fair alternative and there's i think i [TS]

  think there are advantages to each but i [TS]

  think you're right i don't think that [TS]

  they have a month-to-month they just do [TS]

  the one year i think that they have a [TS]

  family plan for two to ten computers for [TS]

  like 120 year they're a whole year thing [TS]

  is about fifty bucks which is pretty [TS]

  much the same as back Blaze's pricing [TS]

  and they've gotten a lot better the [TS]

  pricing has gotten better from what i've [TS]

  heard their client has gotten better and [TS]

  if you look at on the ark homepage for [TS]

  you know how well they do it mac method [TS]

  they did it i believe they're still [TS]

  doing a lot better than Backblaze for [TS]

  doing that metadata so CrashPlan seems [TS]

  like a solid choice i always hesitate to [TS]

  recommend Backblaze i mean i use it i [TS]

  like it and i haven't had a reason to [TS]

  change but CrashPlan always gets high [TS]

  rated and people seem to love it too and [TS]

  just because i haven't seen a reason to [TS]

  switch doesn't mean you should you know [TS]

  go back go exactly is just because [TS]

  that's what i use i'm using it for a [TS]

  variety of reasons that may not apply to [TS]

  you so you know check them both out oh [TS]

  and the final thing i'll follow up is [TS]

  encryption i didn't mention this all but [TS]

  almost all the backup things encrypt [TS]

  your data they'll you know they're not [TS]

  just shoving your sensitive files up on [TS]

  Amazon s3 or into their cloud things [TS]

  just in their raw and encrypted form so [TS]

  anybody could look at it and the thing [TS]

  most of them do is they try to make you [TS]

  feel like even employees of the backup [TS]

  company cannot see your data so they [TS]

  always have like there's an encryption [TS]

  key but there's a secondary private [TS]

  encryption key that only you have and if [TS]

  you do restore [TS]

  or then you have to enter that secret [TS]

  encryption key so in theory if you know [TS]

  if the CEO of the backup company wanted [TS]

  to look at your files he couldn't do it [TS]

  because he doesn't have your secret [TS]

  encryption key now in practice it kind [TS]

  of wigs me out that some of these things [TS]

  say when you do a web restore just type [TS]

  your secret encryption key into this [TS]

  field on our web server and then you [TS]

  know make I'm sure they're not saving it [TS]

  I'm sure they're being good web [TS]

  developers and it's not showing up in [TS]

  their logs but if it's gonna be a [TS]

  private encryption key I'm not gonna [TS]

  type into a web form on your website so [TS]

  it's not everything up front yeah [TS]

  regular people don't think about this [TS]

  and I'm sure these sites are doing it [TS]

  just because it's convenient and they [TS]

  want web restore is an important feature [TS]

  to have but I wouldn't put too much [TS]

  stock in it so so just assume that the [TS]

  company that you're backing up to will [TS]

  always be able to see your data despite [TS]

  you know protestations to the contrary [TS]

  but in general if a thief breaks into [TS]

  the encryption company they probably [TS]

  won't be able to see your data everybody [TS]

  does 256 bit AES encryption or something [TS]

  like that that is you know computation [TS]

  computationally unfeasible to do break [TS]

  for non-government entities but that is [TS]

  an important feature of backup things [TS]

  and I definitely would use a service [TS]

  that didn't have any kind of encryption [TS]

  and the encryption thing led to a lot of [TS]

  feet up about feedback about like what [TS]

  about file vault which is apples brain [TS]

  built-in encryption thing where will [TS]

  encrypt your home directory I don't want [TS]

  to go too far from Titanic because you [TS]

  already gonna kind of long in this but [TS]

  maybe we should talk about encryption in [TS]

  a different show yeah I actually have a [TS]

  link in the show notes maybe I'll take [TS]

  out because we don't have time to talk [TS]

  about today but a PGP makes a whole disk [TS]

  encryption product pitbull yeah do [TS]

  exactly what it says encrypt your entire [TS]

  disk and I actually have to use that at [TS]

  work it's mandatory for all the [TS]

  computers at our company because we have [TS]

  healthcare information and it's [TS]

  surprisingly none evil whereas file [TS]

  vault is surprisingly evil so that's my [TS]

  cap that's my capsule review of [TS]

  encryption for now file vault but I'm [TS]

  Paul disc encryption not as bad probably [TS]

  better than you think but all encryption [TS]

  there is some sort of trade-off well [TS]

  I'll tell you what I'll tell you what [TS]

  lets you always tell me pick a show I'm [TS]

  picking it right now I'd love to talk [TS]

  and learn what you know about that for [TS]

  next week's show so if if I can find a [TS]

  whole show where the stuff like we can [TS]

  put it in the follow-up [TS]

  why I would like to talk about that more [TS]

  because I think that you I think that is [TS]

  a whole show maybe if not part a good [TS]

  part of a show we could do because [TS]

  that's something I think about a lot and [TS]

  the last time that I used encryption at [TS]

  all it there was such a performance hit [TS]

  on the machine that I had run it on that [TS]

  I especially because which of the [TS]

  machines that you want to encrypt you [TS]

  want to encrypt laptops you want to [TS]

  encrypt the machines that are the most [TS]

  likely to be lifted so those are [TS]

  typically also the ones that don't have [TS]

  as much horsepower and this was years [TS]

  ago but man it was just it was just a [TS]

  drain on these things [TS]

  yeah encryption it that's just the [TS]

  nature of you you you nailed it exactly [TS]

  you always want to encrypt the ones with [TS]

  the slowest disk i/o performance and now [TS]

  you're hurting even more um but that's [TS]

  not Wi-Fi bolts I won't leave oh because [TS]

  of bugs all right so what's our what is [TS]

  a real topic then I saw a real topic the [TS]

  one that you picked is what did you pick [TS]

  a Mac OS 10 Lion yeah what we know about [TS]

  line where we're going as a direction [TS]

  you know you you so here's the thing I [TS]

  asked you I said well do you have any [TS]

  special insight on this can you can you [TS]

  share any secrets do you know anything [TS]

  and you said why I don't know anything [TS]

  well I have no I have no inside info no [TS]

  sources you know or telling me stuff and [TS]

  even if they did I wouldn't be sharing [TS]

  them so it's generally not my mo but [TS]

  I've seen the same things everyone else [TS]

  has seen and I'm basically just making [TS]

  educated guesses at this point I feel [TS]

  like when Apple does any sort of [TS]

  announcement or something that [TS]

  communicates something in the subtext of [TS]

  it I'm very receptive to it I get it [TS]

  right away I understand where they're [TS]

  going and it makes sense in the context [TS]

  of what their what the company is going [TS]

  to do whereas I see in a lot of them the [TS]

  non-apple specific press they get [TS]

  confused by apples PRD to take it at [TS]

  face value or they don't see the subtext [TS]

  or so give us an example I'll about what [TS]

  are you talking about and I guess for [TS]

  for Lion the example would be so they [TS]

  did that that preview thing of line to [TS]

  remember that back in October yeah sure [TS]

  deal with the new [TS]

  launcher and things like that yeah and [TS]

  that without the show was actually about [TS]

  I think was about the new version of [TS]

  High Life and a bunch of other stuff but [TS]

  like it was the back to the max show and [TS]

  in the in the middle of that show they [TS]

  had a whole thing about let's show you a [TS]

  preview of Lion and in the press the the [TS]

  mainstream press covering that like the [TS]

  New York Times or whatever they [TS]

  mentioned everything that happened they [TS]

  focused a little bit more on you know I [TS]

  life because that was kind of the front [TS]

  of the show and then when they talked [TS]

  about lion they basically just described [TS]

  what was shown and parroted back Apple's [TS]

  message about it um which was you know [TS]

  back to the Mac was their pawn on we're [TS]

  taking the innovations that we put in [TS]

  iOS and bringing those back to the Mac [TS]

  um and that was a misdirect because [TS]

  people thought back to the Mac meant [TS]

  back to Apple talking about the Mac but [TS]

  there was a double meaning the second [TS]

  meaning was Apple taking technology from [TS]

  iOS and bringing it back to the neck so [TS]

  it was a little bit of talk about you [TS]

  know in Mac OS 10 and iOS converging and [TS]

  stuff like that but it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

  covered that much but when I saw this [TS]

  show the message I got loud and clear [TS]

  was Apple was describing exactly what [TS]

  their thoughts were for the future [TS]

  desktop operating system and they were [TS]

  doing it in a typical way where they [TS]

  give you a tiny little taste and don't [TS]

  shock you and don't scare people but [TS]

  they signal their intent pretty loud and [TS]

  clear to anybody who's been following [TS]

  the company for a while so I'll get it [TS]

  with the back up thing I'll start with [TS]

  my thesis for Lion and it's in the form [TS]

  of an SAT type analogy I think I [TS]

  actually posted this to Twitter so [TS]

  anybody who follows me has already heard [TS]

  this so sorry for the repeat but I will [TS]

  expand on it here on the analogy you [TS]

  know the SAT analogies [TS]

  it's like X is 2 y is a is to bake sure [TS]

  so my analogy is iOS is two Mac OS 10 as [TS]

  the original Mac operating system is to [TS]

  ms-dos okay I can go along with that and [TS]

  I I don't I posted on Twitter and people [TS]

  either disagreed thought I was crazy or [TS]

  ignored it but I 100% after seeing that [TS]

  line preview I think this is exactly how [TS]

  Apple the company sees their operating [TS]

  systems so let me go back through and [TS]

  review the analogy so yeah [TS]

  Iowa systemic OS 10 [TS]

  saying like iOS is the you know nicer [TS]

  simpler easier to use thing and Mac os10 [TS]

  is the harder thing is you know as the [TS]

  original operating system Mac operating [TS]

  system is said dos and it's use extreme [TS]

  because das was this ridiculous [TS]

  command-line thing with a little green [TS]

  text on a black screen you have to know [TS]

  the commands and normal people couldn't [TS]

  use it and the original Mac operating [TS]

  system was it introduced the mouse it [TS]

  was the first commercially successful [TS]

  GUI it was just such a huge radical [TS]

  change whereas if you look at io s and [TS]

  Mac OS 10 you know that's not you might [TS]

  say that's not the an appropriate [TS]

  analogy the difference between those two [TS]

  operating systems is not as big as [TS]

  difference between Mac and das right [TS]

  they look the same they both use gooeys [TS]

  they have buttons and scroll bars and [TS]

  widgets or whatever it's not so much [TS]

  about you know the revolution in [TS]

  technology being equivalent it's how [TS]

  Apple thinks about it and when Apple [TS]

  thought about das or any command-line [TS]

  stuff they said this is not how [TS]

  computers should work there's too much [TS]

  stuff that's not important that don't [TS]

  that it gets in the way of regular [TS]

  person using this device and we're going [TS]

  to eliminate a lot of those things and [TS]

  make it so that you need to know less to [TS]

  get your work done to be successful yet [TS]

  using this product a thinking man's [TS]

  analogy yeah and and so with iOS it's [TS]

  like them saying what Mac OS 10 is great [TS]

  and everything it's it's a really good [TS]

  operating system and it's certainly much [TS]

  better than das was or a better than any [TS]

  existing gooeys but there's still too [TS]

  much stuff that you have to know about [TS]

  it's not important to your work that you [TS]

  just have to know about to use the tool [TS]

  and iOS I think was their attempt to say [TS]

  how much of that stuff can we remove and [TS]

  still leave a useful computer so let's [TS]

  take out everything that we can that [TS]

  only exists because of you know legacy [TS]

  of development over decades and just [TS]

  leave the stuff that lets you do the [TS]

  functionality that lets you get your job [TS]

  done and that's what they did with iOS [TS]

  and so that philosophy is is going to [TS]

  determine the future of Mac OS 10 that [TS]

  philosophy is going to say all right [TS]

  we've got iOS which has shown we can [TS]

  take out tons and tons of things that [TS]

  you had to know how to use the had to [TS]

  know how to do to use a Mac and still [TS]

  have a useful product in the end so now [TS]

  their job with Mac OS 10 is to [TS]

  to get rid of as many of those things [TS]

  that they've seen that you don't really [TS]

  need to get work done get rid of those [TS]

  four Mac os10 [TS]

  and that's what this presentation was [TS]

  about and it just mentioned one or two [TS]

  or three little things so it didn't seem [TS]

  like that big of a deal but I truly [TS]

  believe that Apple's go with Mac OS 10 [TS]

  is to eliminate all those things that [TS]

  are not important that are that are [TS]

  baggage that are noise to to getting [TS]

  your job done and so in the presentation [TS]

  that gave legs a little bullet list of [TS]

  of the features they were bringing from [TS]

  iOS to Mac OS 10 so that they're phrased [TS]

  it a different way they say we're taking [TS]

  features from iOS and bring them to Mac [TS]

  OS 10 [TS]

  I think that's putting in Reverse and I [TS]

  think their real goal here is to make [TS]

  Mac OS 10 as noise-free as iOS so [TS]

  they're actually removing things that [TS]

  you needed to know about before and [TS]

  trying to make us you don't need to know [TS]

  about them now and they phrase it in [TS]

  terms of adding a feature so they listed [TS]

  multi-touch the App Store app home [TS]

  screens full screen apps autosave and [TS]

  apps that resume when launched and that [TS]

  sounds like a hodgepodge of weird iOS [TS]

  features but each one of them is like [TS]

  trying to eliminate something for Mac OS [TS]

  10 the App Store is an easy one we've [TS]

  already seen the Mac App Store we know [TS]

  what it is it came ahead of line that's [TS]

  not a part of the operating system it's [TS]

  a separate feature now of Snow Leopard [TS]

  and it's clear what that's getting rid [TS]

  of the act of downloading installing and [TS]

  updating applications is just noise like [TS]

  we saw they saw on iOS this stuff with [TS]

  the DM G's disk images are awesome [TS]

  they're certainly better than than [TS]

  expanding zip files or stuffit expander [TS]

  files or all these other ridiculous [TS]

  things so DM G's were in advance but [TS]

  it's still too much noise they don't [TS]

  people don't want to understand about [TS]

  mounting to stick images and dragging [TS]

  things off or running and install our [TS]

  sometimes and how do I you know update [TS]

  the application well spark will help [TS]

  that where you have the update from it [TS]

  within the application but that was hit [TS]

  or miss and it was a third-party thing [TS]

  so Apple said we've seen that if you [TS]

  make downloading buying downloading and [TS]

  installing and updating applications [TS]

  really easy way more people will do it [TS]

  right so let's get rid of that noise for [TS]

  Mac OS 10 so they phrase it in terms of [TS]

  adding the App Store but what they're [TS]

  trying to eliminate is all that stuff [TS]

  which they feel like it's not it's not [TS]

  important to the experience okay you're [TS]

  sick you're starting to sell me on this [TS]

  now um so I don't wanna go to much more [TS]

  than that cap store because we've heard [TS]

  all about it me that's there [TS]

  elimination multi-touch gestures that [TS]

  seems like a straight pull over but Mac [TS]

  os10 has already had multi-touch [TS]

  gestures what they're trying to get out [TS]

  there is remove visible controls and [TS]

  make it so that you know invisible [TS]

  controls so like for example there's no [TS]

  visible scroll bars in iOS and somehow [TS]

  the that you know it still works because [TS]

  you know it turns out that just touching [TS]

  a dragging is way easier than having a [TS]

  visible scroll bar and this roll thumb [TS]

  does appear to give you some feedback [TS]

  about where you are on a document but [TS]

  there's something that's traditionally [TS]

  been in Mac OS 10 because if we're [TS]

  eliminating scroll bars that's not going [TS]

  to fly right right well but what they're [TS]

  doing instead is saying all right for [TS]

  the new features that we're going to add [TS]

  are from some existing features that [TS]

  didn't have visible controls like [TS]

  initiating expose or switching [TS]

  applications or showing the desktop or [TS]

  going to dashboard or something like [TS]

  that those always had some sort of [TS]

  either key combination or you hit a [TS]

  function key or you had a screen corner [TS]

  all those things are not as friendly [TS]

  Apple feels as gestures and they feel [TS]

  like iOS has proved that to them that [TS]

  screen corners are dangerous I know have [TS]

  you ever seen anyone who's not a an [TS]

  expert computer user accidentally [TS]

  trigger screen corner thing and like all [TS]

  their windows fly off in shows that's [TS]

  great I cannot enable that feature on [TS]

  all my family's computers because they [TS]

  just accidentally triggered all the time [TS]

  and it freaks them out all right so as [TS]

  convenient as that is for people who are [TS]

  used to it it's not novice friendly [TS]

  function keys forget it they'll never [TS]

  remember that f9 is expose and f10 is [TS]

  show dashboard or even though on the [TS]

  Apple keyboard they have little pictures [TS]

  that are trying to help you like a [TS]

  little dial things or dashboard it's [TS]

  still not friendly but gestures have a [TS]

  sort of curve of the word as it for like [TS]

  kinesthetic or something like yeah when [TS]

  you when you make motions with your with [TS]

  your body you're able to remember them [TS]

  better than you know remembering words [TS]

  or positioning something or putting some [TS]

  describe pressing a string element or [TS]

  something [TS]

  I still think they'll be difficult for [TS]

  people to learn but I think iOS has [TS]

  shown that they're more likely to stick [TS]

  if someone does make the effort to try [TS]

  it two or three or four times they do [TS]

  have the problem of you're running out [TS]

  of places to rub your finger so you're [TS]

  certainly you're not going to rub them [TS]

  on the screen but they do have that that [TS]

  trackpad that you can buy for desktop [TS]

  Mac's now I have that people who are [TS]

  into that can definitely use that I'm [TS]

  afraid most people will not buy that [TS]

  they do all their mice now have a place [TS]

  for you to swipe with your fingers [TS]

  also afraid that's a little bit of an [TS]

  ergonomic problem it is I have that too [TS]

  but but it's clear that Apple wants to [TS]

  that they realize they can't completely [TS]

  eliminate on-screen controls from a Mac [TS]

  os10 [TS]

  but they want any new features to always [TS]

  have this way to do it as well because I [TS]

  think it might do better than all the [TS]

  existing methods I don't know how [TS]

  successful there be until they start [TS]

  doing some sort of hybrid touchscreen [TS]

  you know Mac thing with the horizontal [TS]

  touchscreen instead of just the trackpad [TS]

  or whatever but that's the direction [TS]

  they're going is they really want that [TS]

  they like the idea of eliminating taking [TS]

  things off the screen and putting them [TS]

  into the muscle memory of the user full [TS]

  screen apps is similar in that it's not [TS]

  an addition of something it's an [TS]

  elimination like let's get rid of the [TS]

  menu bar it's get rid of the dock let's [TS]

  get rid of all these overlapping windows [TS]

  you're probably just doing one thing at [TS]

  a time especially if you're not a [TS]

  sophisticated user you just want to do [TS]

  one thing certainly iOS and the iPad [TS]

  shown that it's perfectly possible to [TS]

  have a reasonable experience doing that [TS]

  especially with the multitasking well we [TS]

  have a lot more horsepower on the [TS]

  desktop so let's try that let's [TS]

  encourage people to make full screen [TS]

  applications and they tried to add the [TS]

  trying to add features to make full [TS]

  screen applications not as annoying [TS]

  because if you're in a full screen [TS]

  application now you're like I'm stuck [TS]

  here what if I want to go over to some [TS]

  other application and do something [TS]

  briefly I can go add a full-screen mode [TS]

  right go to the other application do the [TS]

  thing I want if you come back here and [TS]

  come back into full screen mode and [TS]

  sometimes you can all tap around when [TS]

  you're in full screen mode but it's [TS]

  confusing and it's not easy to keep [TS]

  straight with all the other overlapping [TS]

  windows so they're trying to make that [TS]

  easier by adding features to let you [TS]

  send apps fullscreen and then have them [TS]

  sort of cordoned off in there and in the [TS]

  UI into a different category so you have [TS]

  your regular desktop which all your [TS]

  overlapping windows and then each full [TS]

  screen application is itself shown as a [TS]

  big tile and their little new expose [TS]

  type thing and then dashboard is another [TS]

  tile so it's like three categories of [TS]

  things dashboard the desktop with all [TS]

  your allowing Windows and then one [TS]

  little tile for every fullscreen [TS]

  application you can switch between them [TS]

  using a gesture and I would assume also [TS]

  using alt tab and they stay fullscreen [TS]

  and your shuffle between them sort of [TS]

  like you shop between iPad applications [TS]

  so they're trying to make that [TS]

  experience [TS]

  easier for developers to do they didn't [TS]

  say much about autosave and apps [TS]

  resuming when launched I'm assuming [TS]

  they'll be just either better AP is for [TS]

  developers to do that or simply just [TS]

  encouraging developers to WOD see that [TS]

  this is going to be the new status quo [TS]

  and a good Mac application should do [TS]

  this and again that's trying to [TS]

  eliminate something that's historically [TS]

  been there the file save menu save as [TS]

  all that stuff it's not going away but [TS]

  they've seen that in iOS it's possible [TS]

  to have a close to desktop type [TS]

  experience like for example on the iPad [TS]

  without bothering the user ever about [TS]

  saving you know there's no menu bar [TS]

  there's no save right and somehow [TS]

  applications [TS]

  certain classes of applications work [TS]

  it's really difficult to do because [TS]

  desktop user just used to that they're [TS]

  like well you know sometimes I don't [TS]

  want to autosave and in fact even on the [TS]

  iPad I bet people have been kind of [TS]

  screwed by autosave with like oh really [TS]

  I didn't want to do that I didn't [TS]

  realize it was going to save and I'd [TS]

  like to go back to my previous version [TS]

  you know they wanted to be explicit [TS]

  because they want to be able to [TS]

  experiment and as long as they don't say [TS]

  they haven't really ruined anything so [TS]

  there's still a tension between those [TS]

  two features but I think iOS has [TS]

  conclusively shown that the balance is [TS]

  swinging heavily in favor of autosave [TS]

  being what normal people can use [TS]

  successfully versus say I mean you know [TS]

  the people been sitting in front of a [TS]

  computer for three hours and they [TS]

  haven't saved you come in tell you [TS]

  what's right and I'm working on my novel [TS]

  have you saved yet I always ask people [TS]

  that have you saved they said no I guess [TS]

  I'll wait dumb done he's like please [TS]

  save say if every few paragraphs save [TS]

  early save often they just don't do it I [TS]

  mean I think I think I guess what what's [TS]

  in the back of people's mind when it [TS]

  comes to saving is they don't they feel [TS]

  like well what if I want to change it [TS]

  how do I get it back you know and I [TS]

  think incremental saving saving with [TS]

  revisions is something that like Google [TS]

  Docs will do for example so if you had [TS]

  that people's fear would go away [TS]

  completely and I think he'd convert [TS]

  everybody that's more of a geek feature [TS]

  I think if you just if you just change [TS]

  expectations like the generation of kids [TS]

  that grows up now with iOS just expects [TS]

  auto-saving all the time they won't sort [TS]

  of know what they're missing [TS]

  right versioning should be there just [TS]

  because for the Nerds it's there and [TS]

  like if some person is having trouble [TS]

  with their computer a tech-savvy person [TS]

  can help them say oh you may not known [TS]

  about this feature but in fact it's [TS]

  actually saving your revisions and you [TS]

  can go back [TS]

  several versions like if you show [TS]

  someone Dropbox and you just give it to [TS]

  them they use it for a while and they [TS]

  and they call you up and I lost some [TS]

  changes whatever then you can show the [TS]

  Dropbox feature of getting back previous [TS]

  revisions but up to that point they [TS]

  don't need to know the Dropbox is doing [TS]

  that for them so I don't think [TS]

  versioning or it to be an integral part [TS]

  of this necessarily needs to be in [TS]

  people's faces but I do think it should [TS]

  be added there eventually just so [TS]

  there's an escape hatch for you know [TS]

  when you do need help your data is there [TS]

  somewhere oh so let's see what else they [TS]

  had there oh and a launch pad is kind of [TS]

  part of the Mac App Store thing and that [TS]

  iOS has shown that if you shove the [TS]

  applications to people's faces they'll [TS]

  use them and remember they exist whereas [TS]

  if you buried in the Applications folder [TS]

  in Mac OS 10 you know even if you made [TS]

  application installation easy people [TS]

  forget things exist there it was not in [TS]

  their dock they don't realize it's there [TS]

  when they want to launch something [TS]

  especially if it's not in a dock they [TS]

  get a dig forward it's it's an upsetting [TS]

  experience whereas iOS your said look [TS]

  we're going to put every application you [TS]

  have in a series of screens and a big [TS]

  flat grid of icons not it not even any [TS]

  sort of nesting for you know for years [TS]

  and so now you know where all your [TS]

  applications are you know how to change [TS]

  screens with with a reasonably natural [TS]

  gesture that once you do it once you [TS]

  remember it forever ah [TS]

  and that works people buy applications [TS]

  they use them in huge numbers much [TS]

  greater numbers than people were buying [TS]

  or using Mac applications so that's what [TS]

  they're doing with Mac OS 10 is saying a [TS]

  lot we've learned that we don't need to [TS]

  have this huge drop off after the dock [TS]

  that was the problem Mac OS 10 if the [TS]

  application is not in the dock your next [TS]

  option is the finder and the conceptual [TS]

  gap between a single line of gigantic [TS]

  icons on the bottom of your screen that [TS]

  you can't hide with Windows and the [TS]

  finder which is a navigation tool for [TS]

  your entire huge harddrive structure [TS]

  there's a huge gap between those two [TS]

  things and that's why people once they [TS]

  go off the cliff of the dock they don't [TS]

  want they don't want to go to that [TS]

  finder they don't they don't want to [TS]

  navigate they're not sure they're in the [TS]

  right place they don't know where they [TS]

  are they have no conception of the [TS]

  filesystem hierarchy it's just a big [TS]

  scary place to go that's why you see [TS]

  people with tons of icons in their dock [TS]

  because they say well I always know what [TS]

  the dock is it's always on top you can't [TS]

  hide it with any other windows it [TS]

  doesn't you know have any hierarchy if [TS]

  people just drag things to there now [TS]

  they just see their icons they [TS]

  even if their little tiny icons that can [TS]

  eventually find it are you feasible John [TS]

  not really where is a doc my it depends [TS]

  on the computer on a laptop it's on the [TS]

  right side because the screens are [TS]

  smaller too and it's pinned to the [TS]

  bottom because I want to get it out of [TS]

  the way on my desktop it is actually on [TS]

  the bottom but I have a dragon when it's [TS]

  on the desktop is it pinned I keep I [TS]

  keep it centered I have two other drag [TS]

  thing Docs I don't put any folders of [TS]

  files in my dock the only reason I have [TS]

  my dock visible at all it's because the [TS]

  notification API the thing that makes [TS]

  the little thing bounce right and puts [TS]

  the little badges you know the icons [TS]

  that API is not available for third [TS]

  parties if it was the drag thing would [TS]

  incorporate it and I would never have [TS]

  the dock visible but as things stand I [TS]

  need to see where the icons bounce I [TS]

  need to see when little message appears [TS]

  on a little badge appears on my icons [TS]

  the dock is the only application that [TS]

  can do that so it has to be visible so I [TS]

  have it visible and it's on the bottom [TS]

  of my screen and that's what I use it [TS]

  for it's kind of disappointing but for [TS]

  regular users it's the simplification of [TS]

  the dock is a big big benefit and launch [TS]

  pad is trying to bridge that gap between [TS]

  the simplified dock that can hold a few [TS]

  icons that you use a lot and the scary [TS]

  world of the finder by saying as in iOS [TS]

  now when you want to launch any [TS]

  application and click on launch pad [TS]

  which will be one icon on your dock and [TS]

  we will show you all your applications [TS]

  in a gigantic grid of little icons that [TS]

  is very familiar to anyone's use iOS and [TS]

  so now there's not you know there's [TS]

  another reason people don't need to go [TS]

  to the file system anymore but you can [TS]

  have your most frequently used icons [TS]

  applications in the dock and then go to [TS]

  launch pad for everything else and they [TS]

  will literally show you all your [TS]

  applications and you'll won't have [TS]

  trouble finding things I bet you'll [TS]

  probably be able to sort it [TS]

  alphabetically or something you know [TS]

  people will be able to find stuff how [TS]

  they can't but just do like they do on [TS]

  their phones and just flick like until [TS]

  they see it and click and I think that [TS]

  will eliminate a lot of the anxiety [TS]

  about where your applications are and [TS]

  you know it eliminate the problem of [TS]

  people forgetting to even have a certain [TS]

  application by always putting them right [TS]

  in their face and this is another thing [TS]

  from iOS and was it taking away is it [TS]

  taking away the finder the finder will [TS]

  still be there [TS]

  they're just trying to make it so that [TS]

  you don't have to use it this you know [TS]

  this thing you don't have to know about [TS]

  the file system and yet one more way and [TS]

  it was kind of sad that you'd have to [TS]

  know about you can't think about the [TS]

  finder for installing applications to [TS]

  deal with the disk images and finding [TS]

  where your downloads button to and you [TS]

  have to know about the finder for [TS]

  launching the application if it didn't [TS]

  fit in your dock so I think that's what [TS]

  Apple's move is with the with that [TS]

  Launchpad thing and they also have this [TS]

  Mission Control thing which is trying to [TS]

  unify that they claim it unifies expose [TS]

  dashboard spaces and games but it's kind [TS]

  of sad that this thing that unifies [TS]

  spaces but it does it eliminate spaces [TS]

  right which never worked right anyway [TS]

  and and it had lots of bugs but the [TS]

  people who use spaces are going to be [TS]

  disappointed because space is just gone [TS]

  you know well but you know before there [TS]

  was space is John there were [TS]

  applications that you could download [TS]

  that would let you have that essentially [TS]

  that X that functionality which again [TS]

  really does come from the X Window [TS]

  System I mean it's it's something that [TS]

  the UNIX geeks have had for decades [TS]

  perhaps and those apps I think may still [TS]

  exist and I'm sure though they'll come [TS]

  back as soon as Apple takes it away [TS]

  won't they maybe but those apps didn't [TS]

  work great either no it didn't and and [TS]

  then the problem that people would have [TS]

  is different applications didn't behave [TS]

  consistently in in spaces so you might [TS]

  have one app that that works when you [TS]

  set it to be sticky in another app that [TS]

  doesn't work when you set it to be [TS]

  sticky and just the behavior just was [TS]

  never satisfactory I think for people [TS]

  who really wanted to get a lot of use [TS]

  out of this I was actually shocked that [TS]

  they added it to the operating system [TS]

  because of all the features like this is [TS]

  clearly an expert type feature like very [TS]

  few people have the discipline and [TS]

  experience to arrange their workspaces [TS]

  or multiple desktops and anything in X [TS]

  and B OS or any operating system that [TS]

  you know semi natively supported this it [TS]

  takes a lot of discipline to arrange [TS]

  separate workspaces and remember where [TS]

  everything is and to be able to move [TS]

  things between them because if you just [TS]

  turn on spaces for a regular user they [TS]

  will end it's like a cruel trick you're [TS]

  putting all their applications in a maze [TS]

  and like where was that window maybe it [TS]

  was in that other space and maybe in [TS]

  this space maybe I'll drag this window [TS]

  back up they end up with things [TS]

  scattered all [TS]

  the place all you're doing is is adding [TS]

  another layer of obfuscation but people [TS]

  who use this feature and are you know [TS]

  it's part of their workflow have a [TS]

  system basically you know of they decide [TS]

  this is all going to do it either work [TS]

  is here in play is here or you know this [TS]

  is for monitoring you know servers and [TS]

  this is for doing code or my ID window [TS]

  is here my simulator when desk space is [TS]

  here and this is for web Bret like [TS]

  everyone has a system who uses this type [TS]

  of thing but the number of people who [TS]

  have that system and who can [TS]

  successfully use spaces even who work is [TS]

  great it's probably like a fraction of a [TS]

  percent of all you know computer users [TS]

  so I was always amazed at the editors [TS]

  feature but I was not surprised that a [TS]

  was buggy and be that those bugs never [TS]

  really worked themselves out because it [TS]

  would take a tremendous amount of effort [TS]

  to make spaces bug free and to get [TS]

  application developers to code in a [TS]

  space of savvy way and this would all be [TS]

  for a fraction of a percent of users so [TS]

  there was never going to be the [TS]

  motivation with an apple and developer [TS]

  relations and application developers in [TS]

  general to ensure that spaces is a [TS]

  seamless experience just for that tiny [TS]

  percentage of users so now it's [TS]

  basically going away and being replaced [TS]

  by this this new hierarchy which is you [TS]

  know dashboard all you're overlapping [TS]

  windows and all your full screen apps in [TS]

  different categories it remains to be [TS]

  seen how it works out they have they [TS]

  have simplified it into that single [TS]

  screen I think that single screen [TS]

  arrangement does kind of make some sense [TS]

  but it's kind of weird that they do it [TS]

  with four in the demo they had four they [TS]

  do with four big tiles on top dashboard [TS]

  all your overlapping windows and they [TS]

  had two full screen apps in the demo and [TS]

  I assume if you had more full screen [TS]

  apps they would slowly fill that top [TS]

  part and then the the bottom part of the [TS]

  window is all your windows grouped by [TS]

  application not including the full [TS]

  screen one that's I believe I'm not sure [TS]

  of users will immediately grok the new [TS]

  arrangement versus the existing expose [TS]

  one where you say just show me every [TS]

  single one of my windows and a big hairy [TS]

  mess and I'll figure it out but we'll [TS]

  see that and they keep rearranging those [TS]

  screens I don't think they really hit on [TS]

  the perfect one I think what they would [TS]

  like to do is like an iOS where it's [TS]

  completely simplified and you just you [TS]

  know every application is full screen [TS]

  and you switch among them in a visually [TS]

  obvious manner with the gesture or [TS]

  changing to you know you're using [TS]

  application switcher and [TS]

  clear when you're going from one [TS]

  application to another and it's just one [TS]

  big flat list I don't think you can get [TS]

  away with that on machines that can have [TS]

  like 16 gigs of memory yeah tons of our [TS]

  robbing windows but I think they they [TS]

  consider that legacy noise and they [TS]

  would get rid of it if they coats [TS]

  they're trying to herd towards that by [TS]

  saying we're going to give full screen [TS]

  applications their own place of [TS]

  prominence as separate entities and all [TS]

  those other old applications will be [TS]

  represented by a single icon called your [TS]

  desktop on the top of the screen and [TS]

  your desktop shows your desktop you know [TS]

  not your just the finder but all of your [TS]

  topping windows in that big mess it's [TS]

  one icon that's like the legacy bin and [TS]

  then all the fullscreen ones I don't [TS]

  think this is going to fly but the demo [TS]

  was clear signal that saying now hey [TS]

  guys wouldn't it be great if that little [TS]

  legacy Ben didn't have your app in it [TS]

  and it got its own nice fullscreen icon [TS]

  on the top so they could switch to your [TS]

  application more easily that was that [TS]

  was the subtext of that demo hmm so [TS]

  that's how I think seeing that demo they [TS]

  didn't demonstrate much technology wise [TS]

  they didn't talk about underpinnings I [TS]

  think it was all about them expressing [TS]

  how much they love iOS as compared to [TS]

  Mac OS 10 and how much they view Mac OS [TS]

  10 now is the DOS like the unfriendly [TS]

  you need to know too much stuff computer [TS]

  experts required to operate it not for [TS]

  normal people operating system and [TS]

  they're going to try to make Mac OS 10 [TS]

  and not like that anymore they're going [TS]

  to try to bring it out of its role as [TS]

  the dose of the the Apple world and make [TS]

  it more like iOS which is their [TS]

  beautiful new operating system that [TS]

  regular people can use so John do you [TS]

  think that this is something that is [TS]

  certainly a movement that they're going [TS]

  and they're saying this is this is the [TS]

  new direction and in that sense then if [TS]

  that's if that's true is lying then a [TS]

  transitional operating system and that [TS]

  whatever comes after lion becomes even [TS]

  even further down the iOS path I think [TS]

  at least half the things that trying to [TS]

  do in Lion [TS]

  2 to make Mac OS 10 less difficult to [TS]

  use and to eliminate those legacy things [TS]

  I think at least half of them are going [TS]

  to fail or not come off the way they [TS]

  wanted to yeah just because it's it's a [TS]

  tough [TS]

  thing to do like for example when Apple [TS]

  made the original Mac operating system [TS]

  they didn't start with the Apple 2 [TS]

  operating system and try to file off the [TS]

  sharp edges and write okay well it's [TS]

  like Apple 2 but you don't need to know [TS]

  like the commands to load things from [TS]

  floppy disks will will have like a [TS]

  button you can press but no they just [TS]

  they start over scratch and it's always [TS]

  much easier to do that and with iOS not [TS]

  technologically in terms of the [TS]

  underpinnings but with the UI they start [TS]

  from scratch and say let's take the [TS]

  finder put it on this phone okay now [TS]

  let's just figure out how to make it [TS]

  nice maybe we'll use like launcher over [TS]

  button view or something in the finder [TS]

  and then we'll have a mode with the [TS]

  scroll bars don't you know they just [TS]

  started clean slate springboard is just [TS]

  a grid of icons it has no relation to [TS]

  anything you've ever seen on the Mac you [TS]

  know all the apps are fullscreen there's [TS]

  no windows anywhere it's so much easier [TS]

  to do that so now they're faced with the [TS]

  task of taking an existing thing and [TS]

  trying to file off the sharp edges and [TS]

  it's really really Arden it's a long [TS]

  long long road and some some things you [TS]

  can't file off because you know [TS]

  otherwise why have Mac's at all [TS]

  obviously iOS devices are not sufficient [TS]

  for all of our needs because a certain [TS]

  point you need multiple windows you need [TS]

  to be looking at more than one thing at [TS]

  once you need these persnickety level [TS]

  controls to do certain types of tasks [TS]

  and the mouse is not a finger and it has [TS]

  disadvantages versus a finger but [TS]

  especially for extra users as advantages [TS]

  so they can't file everything off and I [TS]

  think a lot of their failures are going [TS]

  to come from attempting to go a bridge [TS]

  too far with one particular aspect of [TS]

  the system so for example full screen [TS]

  apps I don't think they're going to get [TS]

  the buy-in from developers that they [TS]

  would really want out of that or if they [TS]

  do I think they'll see some resistance [TS]

  to users because if it's not completely [TS]

  consistent like it is an iOS if [TS]

  everything isn't full screen then you've [TS]

  got this weird hybrid and people find it [TS]

  off-putting or I think you're going to [TS]

  find it off-putting where you're you can [TS]

  switch among applications without [TS]

  getting at a full screen mode but some [TS]

  of the apps in full-screen mode and some [TS]

  of them are not and you get you're going [TS]

  to get into the situation where you're [TS]

  like well I liked it better this UI is [TS]

  nice but I'd like to be able to also [TS]

  peek at this other thing over here or [TS]

  dragged from you know iPhoto into this [TS]

  other application but when I thought was [TS]

  fullscreen I can't drag for it but I [TS]

  used to be able to when I didn't have it [TS]

  in full screen mode so let me get iPhoto [TS]

  add a full-screen mode let me you know [TS]

  it's it's a tough hybrid and I think [TS]

  that's going to be a hard sell and I'm [TS]

  not sure what the with the eventual [TS]

  result will be some of them are no [TS]

  brainer wins though like getting ranked [TS]

  getting rid of application installation [TS]

  woes yeah that that's that's just yeah [TS]

  you were John you were telling me that [TS]

  you actually think that that's that's [TS]

  going to improve even further in line [TS]

  than the way that it is right now with [TS]

  the App Store in 10.6 ten F I'm hope [TS]

  like what I was really hoping for with [TS]

  the Mac App Store was was you know an [TS]

  uninstall you know like I'm on iOS hold [TS]

  your finger down on the button and hit [TS]

  the close box and then the application [TS]

  is uninstalled and they just didn't do [TS]

  uninstall they just didn't do a period [TS]

  and rack App Store as it exists in Snow [TS]

  Leopard and that was a big [TS]

  disappointment because people used to [TS]

  that from iOS I'm tired of this game [TS]

  hold down the button hit the thing it's [TS]

  deleted or maybe they can delete it from [TS]

  iTunes but the point is it's easy enough [TS]

  for a regular person to do regular [TS]

  people get bored of an application and [TS]

  they delete it and they have no problem [TS]

  with it on the Mac they're either afraid [TS]

  to they don't know how to maybe they [TS]

  drag it to the trash maybe they try to [TS]

  grab the icon from the dock and drag it [TS]

  to the trash we've seen people do that [TS]

  yeah and you might argue well that [TS]

  should work and why doesn't it but then [TS]

  you say well should that really work [TS]

  maybe it shouldn't work or you know but [TS]

  you've got this application this one [TS]

  central place to do this stuff the Mac [TS]

  App Store if it had an uninstall option [TS]

  a screen that showed all your installed [TS]

  applications had a big button that said [TS]

  on install this application surely Apple [TS]

  can pull that off because they're [TS]

  controlling the installation 100% they [TS]

  can in theory track wherever they put [TS]

  every single file and remove them you [TS]

  know that it's up to that they control [TS]

  the horizontal and the vertical here so [TS]

  well it's funny because if you thought [TS]

  well if you think about the way that you [TS]

  that you install and delete apps on iOS [TS]

  like you mentioned you know there's one [TS]

  way to install them and there's one [TS]

  simple way to delete them and that my [TS]

  three-year-old son by the way knows how [TS]

  to delete apps thank you um and I say [TS]

  that because maybe they made it too easy [TS]

  I don't always want him to delete apps [TS]

  but he can and it's simple enough to to [TS]

  but you know my masters educated college [TS]

  professor mom doesn't always know how to [TS]

  delete apps from Mac os10 [TS]

  and it's it's fascinating to me the [TS]

  difference there and that it's so easy [TS]

  that literally a child can do it on iOS [TS]

  and that somebody who's computer savvy [TS]

  and has many years of computer [TS]

  experience might not always know how [TS]

  they're supposed to delete something [TS]

  it's just it's fascinating and what what [TS]

  I think at the same time is that I I [TS]

  don't know if I would like it if Apple [TS]

  were to lock you know on iOS where where [TS]

  are my applications stored well I don't [TS]

  know they're just right here on the [TS]

  screen and I tap it and it launches the [TS]

  app right but where do those files exist [TS]

  where is the app exists well I don't [TS]

  know well if you told me that I wouldn't [TS]

  know and be able to know on on a regular [TS]

  computer I would be like you're crazy I [TS]

  have to know I have to know where it is [TS]

  you know I have to know that it's in the [TS]

  Applications folder which is the root [TS]

  you know I like I would have to know [TS]

  that or I can I can make an Applications [TS]

  folder within my user directory and [TS]

  it'll be a magic application folder and [TS]

  I can launch things from there and put [TS]

  that into the dock because I want it in [TS]

  the dock and then I can decide whether [TS]

  it's displayed as a folder all of these [TS]

  things are things that geeks like to do [TS]

  it almost seems though like the people [TS]

  who like doing things like that on a [TS]

  computer would be very disappointed with [TS]

  something that was dumbed down if you [TS]

  will and and the flip side of that is [TS]

  the people who are coming up now who are [TS]

  content with an iPad as perhaps their [TS]

  main portable computer might like that [TS]

  kind of thing on on the Mac if you will [TS]

  I think that's a it's usually a false [TS]

  choice especially on a desktop the best [TS]

  user-friendly features are built on on a [TS]

  foundation of a series of layers each of [TS]

  which is comprehensible at that level so [TS]

  what you want to do to build like a [TS]

  really easy you know like a Mac App [TS]

  Store thing we just click a button to [TS]

  install and uninstall you wouldn't build [TS]

  that as a monolith you wouldn't build it [TS]

  as a big applications those fancy stuff [TS]

  that you don't know about and there's [TS]

  one interface to it you build it on a [TS]

  stack of other technology so at the very [TS]

  bottom you'd have the operating system [TS]

  then the file system then a package [TS]

  management system then you know a nice [TS]

  GUI for that looks at the file system [TS]

  then a nice GUI for the package [TS]

  management system and then maybe the [TS]

  command-line interfaces to both of those [TS]

  things and there'd be a single shared [TS]

  library that they both use and on the [TS]

  very tippy top of this nice stack of [TS]

  things each [TS]

  which has a public interface you can use [TS]

  if you're interested in it that's where [TS]

  you put the icing of here's the rice [TS]

  nice easy UI that everyone will use but [TS]

  for the people who want to go beyond [TS]

  that you don't want them to peek under [TS]

  the covers and just see a big jumble of [TS]

  wires you want them to see a nice series [TS]

  of modules and Mac os10 mostly does that [TS]

  if they had a decent package management [TS]

  system that was native instead of the [TS]

  current installer that can't even [TS]

  uninstall that would be accessible and [TS]

  you can imagine them making a GUI tool [TS]

  and utilities that just interface with [TS]

  that system and of course there's the [TS]

  finder and then is the command line like [TS]

  there's a stack of comprehensible [TS]

  technologies underneath there and unlike [TS]

  on iOS where they hide all that stuff [TS]

  because of the ridiculous you know [TS]

  jailbreaking Apple control freak thing [TS]

  where they just don't want anyone [TS]

  messing with it that's not going to fly [TS]

  on the general-purpose computer you just [TS]

  have to give that kind of control to [TS]

  certain classes of people and even who [TS]

  is like iOS and lock down by default you [TS]

  know this the settings and defaults and [TS]

  interface you provide to people doesn't [TS]

  define the destiny of that product just [TS]

  defines what most people will use it for [TS]

  as long as everything else is still [TS]

  under there under the covers and [TS]

  unlockable in a none you know you're [TS]

  going against the Apple way illegal DRM [TS]

  cracking jailbreaking ridiculous stuff [TS]

  as long as it's available simply by you [TS]

  knowing what to click and and hauling [TS]

  your way down I think that's perfectly [TS]

  acceptable and I think that's actually [TS]

  desirable and Mac OS 10 does that to an [TS]

  amazing degree which is why we all love [TS]

  it so much is that it's got because [TS]

  everybody even if you're an expert [TS]

  sometimes you just want to use the nice [TS]

  GUI sometimes you don't want to fiddle [TS]

  with things sure and compile everything [TS]

  from source or whatever so we love that [TS]

  this is a nice GUI there but we love [TS]

  that also we can peel away that layer [TS]

  and there's something a little bit [TS]

  closer we can go we can set up using the [TS]

  dock we can do the finder and then we [TS]

  can go a little bit closer we can use [TS]

  the terminal and you want to go closer [TS]

  to that start writing C programs against [TS]

  the BSD API it's like it's all there for [TS]

  you to view to use at whatever level you [TS]

  feel comfortable with all Apple is doing [TS]

  as far as I can tell so right now is [TS]

  trying to build up the layers make them [TS]

  as robust as possible and start putting [TS]

  and keep putting better and better icing [TS]

  on the top so that people don't have to [TS]

  know about this stuff I don't think [TS]

  there's any any signaling from anywhere [TS]

  inside Apple or out or any demo they've [TS]

  done that says that on the desktop that [TS]

  they want to take away those layers if [TS]

  anything they revel in those layers like [TS]

  WOD C sessions [TS]

  they have sessions on every possible [TS]

  layer of that of the technology stack [TS]

  and you just go to whatever session is [TS]

  appropriate [TS]

  appropriate [TS]

  you are not trying to hide it from you [TS]

  they're not doing like what they do in [TS]

  iOS I'm just saying you can't use the [TS]

  level API you can only use the cocoa API [TS]

  is everything else you know just stay [TS]

  away from it they're they're saying look [TS]

  make the application you need to make [TS]

  here is this huge stack of technologies [TS]

  we have or whatever layer is appropriate [TS]

  to you make your app of that layer and [TS]

  to users they seem to be saying the same [TS]

  thing so here we are an hour later yeah [TS]

  well this is about the time on [TS]

  microphone usually goes bad too I got a [TS]

  one hour lifetime on this microphone [TS]

  that starts to fuzz out but so far so [TS]

  good [TS]

  so what do you what do you think John I [TS]

  mean what what does this mean then for [TS]

  for those of us who are here it just [TS]

  sounds like it sounds like you're [TS]

  painting a pretty positive picture so [TS]

  everything I've seen so far is has made [TS]

  me optimistic now granted that the ship [TS]

  date they say for Lian is summer 2011 [TS]

  and we haven't seen anything about it [TS]

  since that demo that bothers me a little [TS]

  bit just because I don't know what else [TS]

  they have in store what if they're [TS]

  waiting to announce them at Macworld [TS]

  today oh I don't I really doubt that I [TS]

  would expect like dev builds right you [TS]

  know developer release one of lion that [TS]

  doesn't even have half the features they [TS]

  demoed in that preview but it's just for [TS]

  people to get their applications ready [TS]

  like I would like to know what they're [TS]

  doing under the covers the internals [TS]

  that's a whole other topic we might say [TS]

  for a different show but I really don't [TS]

  know any more than they've shown and [TS]

  what they've shown has has signaled to [TS]

  me their sort of their vision their [TS]

  mission statement for the desktop [TS]

  operating system it doesn't tell me is [TS]

  all the little steps they're going to do [TS]

  to get there and where they're going to [TS]

  go wrong and where they're going to have [TS]

  blind eyes and how many different [TS]

  versions of the operating system it's [TS]

  going to take them to get there that is [TS]

  still uncertain but I think with Apple [TS]

  it's important to know where they think [TS]

  they want to go because then you can see [TS]

  all their other actions in that context [TS]

  and you can see why are they doing this [TS]

  thing or you know and how are they going [TS]

  to judge their own success for the [TS]

  particular feature what are they going [TS]

  to consider this teacher turned out well [TS]

  let's do more of that or let's do less [TS]

  of you know this other thing I think [TS]

  understanding their vision the vision [TS]

  they've articulated so far is important [TS]

  that it also would help you understand [TS]

  for example why [TS]

  why for example iPhoto in the new [TS]

  version of my life is so horrible yeah I [TS]

  think it's bad because they were trying [TS]

  to get closer to the iOS ideal and they [TS]

  were failing in a whole bunch of [TS]

  interesting ways so they they took away [TS]

  features that they thought were just [TS]

  noise with the people actually needed [TS]

  they tried to make it friendlier and [TS]

  more iOS like with attractive graphics [TS]

  and stuff but ended up making [TS]

  functionality people use be farther away [TS]

  in terms of number of clicks it just [TS]

  made the experience worse for people who [TS]

  were experts at using that particular [TS]

  application and they also made it slower [TS]

  and a little bit more bloated and any [TS]

  time you make a program slower with [TS]

  subsequent revisions people get angry [TS]

  this is the danger of trying to make [TS]

  things more iOS like if you go from zero [TS]

  to iOS people like it if you go from [TS]

  nago is 10 to iOS people complained wow [TS]

  that's a great that's a great quote and [TS]

  that's that's your variable today that's [TS]

  going to be their problem the problem is [TS]

  going to be that in their eyes they made [TS]

  a better application but people now know [TS]

  what they're missing people have been [TS]

  using a particular feature for a long [TS]

  time when it goes away they're upset now [TS]

  I don't know if you're gonna say like [TS]

  they made Iowa they made iPhoto 11 worse [TS]

  in ways that have to do with performance [TS]

  and stuff like that is unarguably and so [TS]

  when you make the program slower it's [TS]

  just worse period no argument about that [TS]

  but you can have a reasonable argument [TS]

  about the new iPhoto actually being [TS]

  better because it removes those features [TS]

  that people are angry about missing you [TS]

  say well you may be angry about it [TS]

  because you used to do it a certain way [TS]

  but people who never use this program [TS]

  before will like the new version better [TS]

  because we've eliminated choices and [TS]

  it's not as confusing to them that's the [TS]

  the struggle they're going to have to go [TS]

  through they can either wait for all the [TS]

  people who are used to those features to [TS]

  die and then worry about it bring up the [TS]

  next generation right they can just [TS]

  figure out how to strike the correct [TS]

  balance like that's they have to figure [TS]

  out the right balance between hiding [TS]

  features that were noise and making [TS]

  features that people use easier to use [TS]

  when you combine it with adding bugs and [TS]

  going slower you're never going to make [TS]

  friends so iPhoto was kind of the [TS]

  perfect storm of a bad job [TS]

  trying to do this but I think they'll [TS]

  learn from this I think they'll learn [TS]

  from it in a similar way that they [TS]

  learned from what was that I move eh the [TS]

  one that followed iMovie HD iMovie seven [TS]

  or eight yeah when they had to basically [TS]

  they dumbed it down and started over [TS]

  yeah and they ship the old version with [TS]

  it yes so people wouldn't complain it [TS]

  said luck we know we took out tons of [TS]

  stuff you can still use the old version [TS]

  it works fine here we're going to give [TS]

  it to you on the disk that's that's a [TS]

  pretty big sign of you know failure [TS]

  where they're saying we can't just ship [TS]

  this the way it is we have to give them [TS]

  the old version too otherwise they'll [TS]

  complain the the chat room said that was [TS]

  iMovie a twit yeah I love I would mind [TS]

  if they did that with iPhoto this time [TS]

  around I have stopped using it [TS]

  completely yeah I I would be angry [TS]

  because I'm still using iPhoto for that [TS]

  but I by the time I movie 9 came around [TS]

  they they add a lot of stuff back they [TS]

  didn't include the old version anymore [TS]

  the old version was still more capable [TS]

  in a lot of ways but iMovie 9 is a [TS]

  better balance so if they had come up [TS]

  with iMovie 9 originally instead of 8 [TS]

  you could say okay now that would have [TS]

  been a better compromise so they learned [TS]

  from from their mistakes and they made [TS]

  it better so I really hope that iPhoto [TS]

  twelve strikes a better balance between [TS]

  simplifying the application and making [TS]

  it easier to use and still making it a [TS]

  better program faster more capable fewer [TS]

  bugs and keeping the features that [TS]

  people had come to rely on move should [TS]

  end right there sure only only eight [TS]

  minutes over today yeah not bad you get [TS]

  to go back to work we're pulling you [TS]

  away from your your real job but we want [TS]

  to thank sound studio 4d every you sound [TS]

  studio to do your record because you do [TS]

  a double ender on that incomparable [TS]

  podcast so if you want more we should [TS]

  mention that if you want more of of John [TS]

  you don't talk about Mac stuff really [TS]

  over there much debt that's the anti [TS]

  Mac's show because it's a bunch of Mac [TS]

  guys Jason Snell sort of runs the show [TS]

  and he's the editor of Mac world and [TS]

  it's a bunch of other Mac world guys and [TS]

  me but we do not talk about Mac's top [TS]

  sometimes a refreshing change yeah [TS]

  so you can go listen to that and that's [TS]

  called the incomparable podcast or the [TS]

  incomparable depending on how you want [TS]

  to pronounce it how do you like how [TS]

  should I say I think the word in English [TS]

  is [TS]

  in comparable okay I don't know they me [TS]

  every time I pronunciation of a word I [TS]

  look it up in the dictionary and both [TS]

  pronunciations are there so that's I [TS]

  know it I mean I don't I don't know that [TS]

  English is the second language for me [TS]

  yeah you know I say Ethernet staff Turin [TS]

  instead of Ethernet so you do not say a [TS]

  thorough net I've been known to say [TS]

  anther net you couldn't even say it now [TS]

  you you said the other way I do I've [TS]

  been reprogramming myself variable [TS]

  substitution well you should well how [TS]

  does a whole show about gift versus Jeff [TS]

  later okay oh they are you gonna add [TS]

  that well anyway we want to see thanks [TS]

  to sound studio for go away you can find [TS]

  them at in the Mac App Store that's the [TS]

  place to buy and see that's a whole [TS]

  other conversation is how do you know [TS]

  where to buy it if you don't have if you [TS]

  don't have software right now and now [TS]

  feels like a really dangerous time for [TS]

  me to register by software because you [TS]

  don't know if you buy it this week if [TS]

  next week it's going to be out in a dab [TS]

  storm you're gonna have to rebuy it but [TS]

  you don't have to worry about that with [TS]

  sound studio because it's already in the [TS]

  App Store so buy it there sound studio [TS]

  and thanks to MailChimp com4 for [TS]

  sponsoring right yep no complaints for [TS]

  me I believe I do have sound studio I [TS]

  think I got it as one of those bundles I [TS]

  haven't bought a couple of those bundles [TS]

  in years past its the mall the icon [TS]

  looks like kind of a Ripley sand thing [TS]

  in a circle yeah and your eye your eye [TS]

  is getting weird but I won't we'll leave [TS]

  it we won't even edit it out but yeah [TS]

  it's it's it's got well the new the new [TS]

  logo is quite quite fresh it's quite [TS]

  quite nice it's a microphone with with [TS]

  green sort of flying out it's very cool [TS]

  then but you get to go to them you just [TS]

  need to go to the App Store get the new [TS]

  one all right well anyway we'll be back [TS]

  next week noon Friday Eastern and you [TS]

  can check out 5x5 TV to hear the other [TS]

  episodes that we've done here you can [TS]

  hear some of the other shows that we do [TS]

  as well and John I want to tell you you [TS]

  don't need to buy them you get them for [TS]

  free but the the five by five t-shirt [TS]

  store just opened up today there's no [TS]

  shirt for my show though why would I [TS]

  want someone else's show I want to send [TS]

  you the one of me with my other big head [TS]

  on it yeah they picked and just a 5 by 5 [TS]

  shirt [TS]

  I think would be good but we will do [TS]

  more what I can I tell you my idea of [TS]

  what I want now not going time I'd [TS]

  accept people then they won't buy the [TS]

  ones they have on now Apple would never [TS]

  do that so I won't either right yeah the [TS]

  current lineup of shirts is the best [TS]

  line of insurance 5x5 has ever had [TS]

  that's true so that's how yeah that's [TS]

  the dude say so we'll we'll see y'all [TS]

  next week thanks and have a good one [TS]

  you [TS]