2: Backup Vortex


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  what's on your mind today the topic is [TS]

  backups but before we do it you said you [TS]

  had other things you wanted to come to [TS]

  yeah I was listening to the talk show [TS]

  this week as I always do and I heard [TS]

  that I Gruber had some nice things to [TS]

  say about the show waited [TS]

  who knew um he did mention one of the [TS]

  things that I've talked to him about is [TS]

  the phenomenon of listening to a podcast [TS]

  and always wanting to sort of interject [TS]

  you had to bring in your own pointer to [TS]

  correct somebody it's kind of like how [TS]

  sports fans yell at the TV yeah [TS]

  when the refs are making calls oh yeah [TS]

  and he mentioned that I had talked to [TS]

  him about that a lot and he said well [TS]

  now that he's got his own podcast we [TS]

  won't have that problem um but I don't I [TS]

  don't think it changes when you have [TS]

  your own show because I have the exact [TS]

  same feelings when I'm doing my show [TS]

  this is so much I want to get to when [TS]

  this is only an hour you can do it and [TS]

  you kind of have to stay on topic and [TS]

  once you move from one topic to now you [TS]

  can't go back to it so just because I'm [TS]

  allowed to speak on this show a lot it [TS]

  doesn't mean I still don't want to [TS]

  interrupt myself with additional points [TS]

  like for example yesterday [TS]

  yesterday's last week's show about [TS]

  television I feel like I could do [TS]

  another two whole shows just talking [TS]

  about TiVo but of course you know it [TS]

  some point it gets out of hand the [TS]

  chatroom kind of helps like that with [TS]

  that feeling of wanting to interject I'm [TS]

  not on the show occasionally I'm in the [TS]

  chat room and the same thing for people [TS]

  who are in the chat room now they want [TS]

  to interrupt or add something they're [TS]

  not on the show but we can see what they [TS]

  write in the chat room and sometimes [TS]

  though their input will influence the [TS]

  show sure [TS]

  and speaking of the chat room last week [TS]

  some people had some tips in the chat [TS]

  room which flew by while I was doing the [TS]

  show [TS]

  but afterwards I scrolled back up and I [TS]

  found an interesting one I should have [TS]

  recorded who the person was that [TS]

  suggested this maybe the chat room will [TS]

  know now or it might have been one of [TS]

  those automatically named people with [TS]

  the Q ERT whatever aliases but anyway [TS]

  someone pointed me to an actual [TS]

  competitor to TiVo somewhat another [TS]

  company that makes a box that you [TS]

  connect to your television that a cable [TS]

  card goes into the lets you record [TS]

  television shows from your digital cable [TS]

  or files television subscription and [TS]

  I've looked been looking around this [TS]

  field for a long time mostly sticking [TS]

  with TiVo but I didn't even know this [TS]

  company exists do you know who I'm about [TS]

  to sign no I don't I don't so this is a [TS]

  company called moxie mo X I okay I have [TS]

  heard it I have heard of moxie yeah I [TS]

  think I might have heard of them way [TS]

  back when but not taking them seriously [TS]

  but on the suggestion of this person in [TS]

  the chat room I went and took a look at [TS]

  it again and it's actually an [TS]

  interesting solution um they're they're [TS]

  competing directly with TiVo but they [TS]

  have kind of a different model they they [TS]

  sell you the box for much more money [TS]

  than TiVo does but there's no monthly [TS]

  fee which is an interesting you know [TS]

  attempt to compete with TiVo it's very [TS]

  similar it's got a big hard drive in it [TS]

  it's got a little CPU it's got an [TS]

  interface it looks vaguely like TiVo um [TS]

  how do you spell Moxie mo XY mo x i o mo [TS]

  x AI mo x i comm the site sometimes is [TS]

  slow it's the whole reason I would even [TS]

  consider moxie would be not so much to [TS]

  get rid of the monthly fee but to see if [TS]

  another box is a UI that's not quite so [TS]

  slow and doesn't have all the annoying [TS]

  limitations the TiVo has at googling [TS]

  around the web [TS]

  seems like Moxie is maybe a little bit [TS]

  faster than TiVo in terms of the UI but [TS]

  it has lots [TS]

  other sort of caveats that make me wear [TS]

  yeah but the first one is the fact that [TS]

  I've never even heard of Moxie that goes [TS]

  with some fly-by-night company if I buy [TS]

  this thing as the company got a business [TS]

  but the company's actually been in [TS]

  business since 1999 there's one year [TS]

  after Tebow so whether they're being I [TS]

  guess you wouldn't call them successful [TS]

  because you know we've never even heard [TS]

  of them but an TiVo is usually not [TS]

  considered successful but I would say [TS]

  they are not fly-by-night at this point [TS]

  the other thing is that you buy this box [TS]

  like six hundred dollars or whatever [TS]

  which is a lot of money with no monthly [TS]

  fee but the most you can get is a [TS]

  one-year warranty on it [TS]

  it's t-bones kind of like that too if [TS]

  you don't buy the extended warranty you [TS]

  know I had the fan go bad in my TiVo [TS]

  recently and if it wasn't just the fan [TS]

  if it was like the motherboard I would [TS]

  be stuck I'd have to buy a whole new [TS]

  Tebow because I just had the one-year [TS]

  warranty and it's one of those crappy [TS]

  one year warranties where it's one year [TS]

  but it's only 90 days parts and labor [TS]

  and then after that you just get parts [TS]

  mmm the labor is always like 150 bucks [TS]

  and so if anything goes wrong you might [TS]

  as well just buy yourself a new device [TS]

  so that bothers me because if they're [TS]

  going to go with the business model [TS]

  where you don't have a monthly fee they [TS]

  really should sell something to extended [TS]

  warranty so that you can recoup the [TS]

  money for this box because you know - [TS]

  you can have a box for $300 and pay $12 [TS]

  a month and or you can buy a box for 600 [TS]

  bucks but that $600 box better last you [TS]

  at least like a year or two to make up [TS]

  for its initial high purchase price and [TS]

  it has a bunch of annoying limitations [TS]

  like there's no Wi-Fi so if you have [TS]

  that have this box for doing multi room [TS]

  viewing where you can see stuff on your [TS]

  DVR from another room without having to [TS]

  pay for another cable box which again is [TS]

  nice but with no wireless that means you [TS]

  have to have Ethernet running to all the [TS]

  rooms or you have television and that's [TS]

  very difficult in most people's houses [TS]

  in my house the same thing on my [TS]

  upstairs TV does not have Ethernet [TS]

  running to it and I use Wi-Fi to get to [TS]

  it and the other thing the Moxie thing [TS]

  Moxie box has is you can do triple [TS]

  tuning so you can record three shows at [TS]

  once and then watch a pre-recorded [TS]

  fourth right and notice up here it's [TS]

  just three tune or HD but I'm assuming [TS]

  the doubt that you would definitely need [TS]

  more cable cards for that now just one [TS]

  multi-stream card one card can just [TS]

  three yeah because it's called a multi [TS]

  stream card not a dual stream card so I [TS]

  guess a single multi-stream card can do [TS]

  you know multiple streams I don't think [TS]

  there's an arbitrary limit maybe just [TS]

  has to do with how many decoder chips [TS]

  are in the box itself but apparently you [TS]

  know this fox only has one place to [TS]

  stick in a car as far as I can tell from [TS]

  looking at the manual and they just want [TS]

  a multistream card so I'm intrigued by [TS]

  it I really don't want to buy a TiVo [TS]

  premiere ever because I've used one that [TS]

  my friends house and they are as slow as [TS]

  everyone says they are and it just the [TS]

  UI is not nice and filled with annoying [TS]

  ads and nobody wanted to point out that [TS]

  what I have you energy I guess be [TS]

  critical of me which is allowed on this [TS]

  show you wanted to point out I don't [TS]

  have a series three you know that's the [TS]

  example of people wanting to interject [TS]

  although they might not know the reality [TS]

  of the situation but last time you said [TS]

  you had a series three and I took you at [TS]

  your word but you don't actually have I [TS]

  don't know it it says series three on on [TS]

  the box but it turns out that it's not [TS]

  it's something else because the series [TS]

  three has all kinds of lights and [TS]

  buttons on the front of it and it says [TS]

  that all kinds of thing and mine just [TS]

  got a red one or two red dots when it's [TS]

  recording its it doesn't actually say [TS]

  the word series three on on the box it [TS]

  did but I I think it that's on a [TS]

  cardboard box for me yeah yeah but on on [TS]

  the on the larger print on the cardboard [TS]

  box if I remember correctly this is all [TS]

  from memory and you know as you know as [TS]

  well as I do that once you have kids [TS]

  there's an you don't have as much memory [TS]

  as you used to laughs right yeah blame I [TS]

  blame them but I love them I love my kid [TS]

  but I blame I you know I you can blame [TS]

  all kinds of stuff on being a parent [TS]

  it's not blaming a kid it's the blaming [TS]

  parenthood but I I know that I know that [TS]

  it is probably something more like a [TS]

  TiVo HD yeah is that the name of it it's [TS]

  not the brand-new ones it's not these [TS]

  premiere and xD and all that stuff it [TS]

  was it's like whatever Costco was [TS]

  selling so the way t-bo's are broadly [TS]

  categorized is series 1 series 2 series [TS]

  3 and premier and lumped into the series [TS]

  3 category I believe is the one that you [TS]

  have in terms product name there is the [TS]

  series 3 which is this great thing that [TS]

  Gruber has which originally cost 800 [TS]

  bucks and has tons of as a no LED [TS]

  readout on the front with words on it [TS]

  that it will tell you what it's [TS]

  recording and stuff like that was the [TS]

  easy way to spot an actual series 3 yeah [TS]

  and many people say that that's the was [TS]

  the fanciest TiVo device ever made and [TS]

  then they sort of [TS]

  deaqon tented it and made it cheaper and [TS]

  they call it TiVo HD and there's TiVo HD [TS]

  and TiVo HDX L which is vary in the size [TS]

  of the harddrive and they look like the [TS]

  ones that both of us have their black on [TS]

  the front they have a black stripe that [TS]

  a red light for two red lights for [TS]

  recording if you if you have two tuners [TS]

  and a green light and a blue light for [TS]

  when things are transferring but no [TS]

  words really except for no the line the [TS]

  only way you can force words to be on it [TS]

  are these completely useless words by [TS]

  the way that that will tell you the same [TS]

  thing all the time in an obnoxious [TS]

  brightly orange color which is either [TS]

  that it's you know in in 1080i or not [TS]

  and it's about it yes the similar to the [TS]

  one you have this one yeah I have a TiVo [TS]

  HD XL which is the same one as yours it [TS]

  may or may not have a different size [TS]

  hard drive I don't know if you have the [TS]

  Excel I don't think it's an Excel but I [TS]

  got an external hard drive for it yeah [TS]

  that's the other thing about the Moxie [TS]

  it's the internal storage is not as big [TS]

  as a TiVo HD XL if you want it to get [TS]

  bigger you do have to buy an external [TS]

  hard drive and that always bothers me [TS]

  because I'm on the lookout for noise so [TS]

  I want the least noise possible and when [TS]

  the hard drive is inside the box it [TS]

  makes less noise than an external one [TS]

  asus 389 in the chat room says series 3 [TS]

  have orange LED just LED display and THX [TS]

  certification and have a piano black [TS]

  remote that's also true but my Tivo HD [TS]

  XL also has the piano black remote and [TS]

  is also THX certified the big difference [TS]

  in the internals is that they they went [TS]

  with smaller cheaper chips the TiVo HD [TS]

  can take a multistream card where I [TS]

  believe the series 3 has to take to [TS]

  single stream cards which gets back to [TS]

  Gruber's long the struggle to try to get [TS]

  to working singing the table cards [TS]

  the reason by the way that they probably [TS]

  had such so many issues with that is [TS]

  because I'm assuming most cable [TS]

  companies now are completely multi [TS]

  stream I know for instance FiOS assault [TS]

  multi stream cards and if you want [TS]

  single stream cards they're probably [TS]

  digging into the bin of the cards that [TS]

  have been around the block a few times [TS]

  and they probably don't even make single [TS]

  stream cards anymore you know so they're [TS]

  just going through their old inventory [TS]

  yeah so that that's the Moxie maybe next [TS]

  time I need to buy a box for a [TS]

  television I'll look back at them to see [TS]

  if they're still in business and see if [TS]

  they come up with something [TS]

  I am intrigued by the idea that they [TS]

  will actually update their software and [TS]

  improve it and also that their software [TS]

  is in HD [TS]

  even on the new very newest TiVo if you [TS]

  go maybe one or two menus deep you you [TS]

  go back to the old standard def UI where [TS]

  everything's stretched and things that [TS]

  should be circle or oval-shaped and all [TS]

  sorts of horrible mmm things so it would [TS]

  be nice to have a box where the company [TS]

  actually sends software updates and [TS]

  cares about the software and doesn't [TS]

  have a monthly fee so we'll say doesn't [TS]

  sound like Eve giving them hope in in [TS]

  that regard well I was excited to find [TS]

  out about this noxee thing this is you [TS]

  know this is actually we do a whole show [TS]

  about the value of listener feedback and [TS]

  stuff like that because it's been talked [TS]

  about a lot on the Gruber's talked about [TS]

  it on his side margos talked about it on [TS]

  the podcast and i have a lot to say [TS]

  about it too but this is just one small [TS]

  example of feedback well i wouldn't have [TS]

  known about this had i not been looking [TS]

  at the chat room in it and for example [TS]

  had I not gone back through the chat [TS]

  room to see what people were all saying [TS]

  after the show because you can't look at [TS]

  every line in the chatroom during the [TS]

  show [TS]

  no I don't you know drives your [TS]

  concentration off but afterwards I [TS]

  scroll back because there are gems in [TS]

  there like this you know [TS]

  in all that dross of people you know [TS]

  making noise or whatever of which I [TS]

  participate participant in other shows [TS]

  but it's nice to you know crowdsourcing [TS]

  is valuable so I'm glad to find out [TS]

  about moxie and I will definitely [TS]

  bookmark them and keep them on my list [TS]

  of companies to watch well so so [TS]

  absolutely and what you said about the [TS]

  chatroom I think is is really important [TS]

  but I have I I wanted to just say thanks [TS]

  because this show has been skyrocketed [TS]

  just start him superstardom [TS]

  in in in the iTunes Store and now in the [TS]

  podcast so if you go to iTunes in you [TS]

  most of you guys probably subscribed [TS]

  through iTunes anyway but if you go to [TS]

  pod to iTunes and you click podcasts we [TS]

  were we were up there I mean really like [TS]

  what were we like the number what was it [TS]

  number six for for a while or something [TS]

  and then we were new and noteworthy and [TS]

  all that and you know why people that [TS]

  Apple will never reveal the algorithms [TS]

  that they use how they actually compute [TS]

  which shows I mean I my belief is that [TS]

  new and noteworthy and things like that [TS]

  are actually those are picked by a human [TS]

  being [TS]

  as far as the the rankings have shows [TS]

  whether they're number one number three [TS]

  number five whatever and how they appear [TS]

  that's actually based on what you guys [TS]

  the listeners are doing in other words [TS]

  you guys are subscribing and rating it [TS]

  and that's why it it's tracking highly [TS]

  so well that's what you assumed because [TS]

  like I I that was my question to you [TS]

  when it has to be that way well I said [TS]

  well what is Apple using and the bottom [TS]

  line is that seems like we just don't [TS]

  know you can make good at nobody I think [TS]

  I think it is do the people but anyway [TS]

  you know what I don't care I think it's [TS]

  because of the listeners so I'm gonna [TS]

  say thanks to the listeners and I credit [TS]

  them with that so certainly certainly do [TS]

  the list is it's not like they're taking [TS]

  payments no but I mean they might be [TS]

  making a decision that we don't know [TS]

  about but I think it's I think it's [TS]

  listener anyway thanks everybody for [TS]

  rating it and for listening and [TS]

  subscribing and uh whatever you've been [TS]

  doing it's been working yeah keep doing [TS]

  it thank you for doing it so that now [TS]

  you know it's it's John and I when we do [TS]

  the talk show we have no list at all we [TS]

  have nothing prepared and in fact and [TS]

  I've said this before John almost now it [TS]

  sort of refuses to talk to me except on [TS]

  the show because I think he wants it to [TS]

  be to be pure in that sense fortunately [TS]

  you don't have any any such rule you [TS]

  will allow us to speak or a Chad type to [TS]

  each other throughout the week and and [TS]

  you have a list of topics that you have [TS]

  shared with me and you you say to me Dan [TS]

  you need to pick a topic and then you [TS]

  begin creating a secret list based off [TS]

  of that topic that I'm not allowed to [TS]

  see Marco on build and analyze keeps [TS]

  everything secret so this is sort of the [TS]

  different shades of hosting shows with [TS]

  with geeks like you at least you share [TS]

  with the topic is you let me pick the [TS]

  topic and this week I picked backups [TS]

  yeah I want you to feel like you have [TS]

  some influence over what looking about [TS]

  in the show if I just picked you know I [TS]

  could pick a topic too and I can give [TS]

  suggestions but sometimes if I'm making [TS]

  a list of topics my favorites may not be [TS]

  the ones that are actually most [TS]

  interesting to people so I leave it to [TS]

  you to think about what's interesting to [TS]

  talk about in light of all your other [TS]

  shows that you've you know I've talked [TS]

  about different topics under so yeah so [TS]

  yeah but then once you pick it then I [TS]

  have to think about what I'm going to [TS]

  say [TS]

  I go back there I gather some links for [TS]

  the show notes afterwards stuff like [TS]

  that yes I'm definitely a preparer I'm [TS]

  not quite sure what Gruber isn't or [TS]

  maybe he just likes to pretend that he's [TS]

  not prepared I don't well I mean we talk [TS]

  about all different things but who knows [TS]

  but anyway so so you've done some [TS]

  preparations for this show so what how [TS]

  do you want to approach this backups [TS]

  topic so um I was thinking about it like [TS]

  what's my way in to talk about backups [TS]

  um and there's just really no good way [TS]

  and except for me to just go right to my [TS]

  thesis and then we'll work backwards [TS]

  from there you know so to say this is my [TS]

  main point you can stop listening the [TS]

  show as soon as I get this out if you [TS]

  just completely agree and know what I'm [TS]

  going to say and then I'll just [TS]

  elaborate on and explain where it comes [TS]

  from and my thesis is basically that [TS]

  this is Apple centric to why the Apple [TS]

  centric I'm an apples Apple centric kind [TS]

  of guy so you could substitute some [TS]

  other company here but I think Apple [TS]

  actually is the most relevant company [TS]

  when it comes to this thesis and it is [TS]

  that Apple has spent like decades [TS]

  encouraging us to use computers to [TS]

  manage our digital stuff and these are [TS]

  things that are not just like our email [TS]

  and stuff like that but things that are [TS]

  probably our most precious nonliving [TS]

  possessions which are things like our [TS]

  family photos movies of our family like [TS]

  our memories things that would [TS]

  traditionally be in like a scrapbook [TS]

  right original tracks photo albums or [TS]

  whatever yeah so they've spent decades [TS]

  making awesome software for this [TS]

  computers computers with cameras [TS]

  computers that work with cameras [TS]

  programs that the whole I live suite [TS]

  like dedicated millions and millions and [TS]

  millions possibly billions of dollars [TS]

  making us able to do this and [TS]

  encouraging us with every keynote hey [TS]

  you know take pictures of your family [TS]

  look at these cool movies you can make [TS]

  you make movie trailers your vacation [TS]

  put your memories on your computer and I [TS]

  think and that's been great I do that [TS]

  and it's enabled people who didn't know [TS]

  how to use computers to be successful in [TS]

  doing these things but I think Apple now [TS]

  bears some pretty big responsibility for [TS]

  providing us with some way to keep this [TS]

  data safe all right and for years they [TS]

  weren't interested in that [TS]

  responsibility it was basically please [TS]

  buy a Mac please buy AI life or comes [TS]

  with your computer upgrade I live please [TS]

  take pictures and movies of your family [TS]

  and make calendars and do all the stuff [TS]

  and keep all your data on your [TS]

  back and when you buy a new Mac you can [TS]

  transfer all this data over and you're a [TS]

  library of data will just expand and [TS]

  expand and will make you faster versions [TS]

  of iPhoto and iLife to work with this [TS]

  but when your hard drive died which [TS]

  inevitably happens these things last [TS]

  maybe you know three to five years and [TS]

  you went into the Apple Store and said [TS]

  my Mac's not working because you're not [TS]

  a computer guy please fix it for me they [TS]

  said all your hard drives did and then [TS]

  you say all right well what happened to [TS]

  my family photos and they might ask well [TS]

  did you have a backup and they'll go [TS]

  what do you mean backup I did I did [TS]

  everything you told me to do you know I [TS]

  bought what you told me to buy I did [TS]

  what you told me to do and now all you [TS]

  telling me my family's entire photo [TS]

  album is gone that's that's a bad [TS]

  experience I'm and my connection to this [TS]

  problem aside from my own personal [TS]

  backup situation is through family and I [TS]

  think like most geeks you end up as like [TS]

  the family's computer guy I don't know [TS]

  if you have this experience a lot of [TS]

  these a lot of you abdicate that [TS]

  responsibility and say please do not ask [TS]

  me about your computer but no you [TS]

  inherit it you have to especially if you [TS]

  are knowledgeable you're fount you can't [TS]

  you know that's something you can hide [TS]

  from a stranger pretty well but you [TS]

  can't hide that from your own family [TS]

  yeah you have some family [TS]

  responsibilities to do it my first [TS]

  family responsibilities to try to get my [TS]

  family on max because I don't want to [TS]

  support them if they're not amen I mean [TS]

  that's that's the kind of thing even if [TS]

  you yourself have you know like an [TS]

  Ubuntu server under the desk and you [TS]

  know you you use other systems just do [TS]

  yourself a favor and get your whole [TS]

  family on max there's a smartest thing I [TS]

  did I thought back in the day when I [TS]

  used to build pcs I thought it well if I [TS]

  build a PC for my mom and give that to [TS]

  her then I'll know I know exactly what's [TS]

  going on with it and it took I think it [TS]

  took two weeks before she did something [TS]

  I never and it wasn't you know it wasn't [TS]

  something that she did was stupid who's [TS]

  just she happened to do that one thing [TS]

  that as a geek you would never do but a [TS]

  regular human being would do all the [TS]

  time I don't remember what it was but [TS]

  just one thing leads to another and [TS]

  these things become unmaintainable [TS]

  people she went on the internet with [TS]

  Windows and Internet Explorer 6 back in [TS]

  2001 probably that's not something you [TS]

  can say please mom don't go on the [TS]

  Internet right that's that's a [TS]

  non-starter man my horror story is that [TS]

  my sister bought an e machines remember [TS]

  though yeah an e machines computer for [TS]

  like three hundred bucks in Walmart this [TS]

  horrible blue little [TS]

  first thing and then she got NetZero as [TS]

  her isp / dial-up and that machine [TS]

  quickly became just a cesspool of you [TS]

  know a hive of scum and villainy it was [TS]

  just ridiculous yeah so I eventually did [TS]

  get our intern iMac but but then I had [TS]

  the problem of like I'm encouraging my [TS]

  family you know to spend big money you [TS]

  know compared with Rancho deli machines [TS]

  thing you know you have to spend over a [TS]

  thousand yeah it's probably going to be [TS]

  like 1,500 and actually the Mac I want [TS]

  you to get with the extra random blah [TS]

  blah blah is going to be like 1,600 and [TS]

  it's like you know spending all this [TS]

  money and I said but now look what you [TS]

  can do with it you can make movies your [TS]

  kids you can take photos look how easy [TS]

  this you can do this you could never do [TS]

  it before on your old PC because you [TS]

  don't know how to use it but with these [TS]

  Mac's you know point them in the right [TS]

  direction and they can figure it out [TS]

  they click around and they would start [TS]

  to use them they would say it's great [TS]

  I've got my pictures on there and we [TS]

  just had a baby look at these pictures [TS]

  we put up up on a web page on you know I [TS]

  encourage them to buy dot Mac - just [TS]

  because it's so easy to just click a [TS]

  button and have pictures up you know [TS]

  from the Apple bundled applications [TS]

  right and that's kind of a good feeling [TS]

  that you see your family being [TS]

  successful with technology and you can [TS]

  support them easily but it's a sinking [TS]

  feeling in that you're like well the [TS]

  clocks tickin on that hard drive now [TS]

  because they bought one hard drive it [TS]

  came inside the computer it's got all [TS]

  their photos on it and there's no way I [TS]

  can I can explain to them how to do [TS]

  backups like you know by retrospect to [TS]

  put in optical disks and burn them and [TS]

  make sure you do it in a regular [TS]

  schedule like this is nothing on the [TS]

  inside in fact this was back in then you [TS]

  know 2001-2002 like it's a really really [TS]

  bad feeling that you've just got your [TS]

  entire family doing this and you know [TS]

  you're setting them up for failure so I [TS]

  wrote about this on on my blog on ours [TS]

  back in 2005 [TS]

  and this will be in the show notes and [TS]

  the title of the article was the case [TS]

  for raid which if it's kind of [TS]

  long-winded as I tend to be but if you [TS]

  read through it you'll see that it's not [TS]

  really about rate it's not Li about this [TS]

  problem that I just said that that once [TS]

  people have put their memories on a [TS]

  computer they need somebody to back it [TS]

  up and there's no good solution so my [TS]

  suggestion at the time was that since [TS]

  since I feel like this is apples [TS]

  responsibility they should just put two [TS]

  hard drives in every single Mac and have [TS]

  them mirrored and at least that that be [TS]

  a defense against a single hard drive [TS]

  failure so when your one hard drive and [TS]

  it'll be [TS]

  you take it in to the Apple store they [TS]

  yank out the bad one and either replace [TS]

  it with a new one or you know under [TS]

  warranty or make you pay for a new one [TS]

  but your data is not gone it's safe on [TS]

  the other hard drive it doesn't protect [TS]

  you against accidentally deleting files [TS]

  it doesn't protect you against file [TS]

  system corruption it doesn't save old [TS]

  versions of files it's not a complete [TS]

  solution but I just wanted to say when [TS]

  your one hard drive goes bad you need [TS]

  some protection and you know I said why [TS]

  can't you just do this yourself buy an [TS]

  external hard drive or whatever you have [TS]

  to put it in the box it has to be [TS]

  something you don't have to buy extra [TS]

  because after I've made this big sales [TS]

  push and said you're going to spend [TS]

  $1,600 on a Mac and trust me it'll be [TS]

  fine oh and by the way you got to spend [TS]

  $200 for an external hard drive - and [TS]

  have it plugged in and have a turn it's [TS]

  just an extra complication and you know [TS]

  the raid set up can you make a raid out [TS]

  of an internal and external drive and [TS]

  boot from it reliably and what kind of [TS]

  problems you're gonna have with that I [TS]

  wanted Apple to just make it a solution [TS]

  that's invisible and take the you know [TS]

  take whatever hit it is to their margins [TS]

  to just be able to and I wondered if you [TS]

  were working at Apple how would you [TS]

  sleep at night saying we're selling [TS]

  people these computers have one hard [TS]

  drive and most people are putting their [TS]

  memories on them and hardly ever goes [TS]

  bad [TS]

  they're Sol irony I didn't imagine if [TS]

  that happened in I mean and occasionally [TS]

  something like this might happen but [TS]

  imagine if something was that prevalent [TS]

  in say the automobile industry you know [TS]

  if they knew that you know yeah your [TS]

  tires wear down but if they knew that [TS]

  periodically your tires could just [TS]

  you're doing nothing wrong you're you're [TS]

  you're maintaining everything and once a [TS]

  while your tires just fly off your car [TS]

  while you're driving it I mean yeah that [TS]

  can happen in extreme circumstances but [TS]

  it doesn't happen every day but people's [TS]

  drives die every single day and it [TS]

  really gets back to what's replaceable [TS]

  because they do give you a spare tire [TS]

  most cars or nowadays they give you run [TS]

  flats to save a little bit of money and [TS]

  wait for for the spare tire but bottom [TS]

  line worst thing that happens when you [TS]

  get a flat tire is you have to get towed [TS]

  and you get in your tire tire is it [TS]

  replaceable photos of your baby are not [TS]

  precisely exactly and and you could say [TS]

  well so it's no different than if you [TS]

  know if you had the photos in a shoebox [TS]

  and it's you and your house flooded or [TS]

  the house burned down or something I [TS]

  that's kind of true in a similar [TS]

  situation but your hard drive is so much [TS]

  more likely to fail than your house is [TS]

  to burn drive down your hard drive is so [TS]

  much more likely to fail then [TS]

  we get flooded and the other thing I [TS]

  would say to that is the whole point of [TS]

  digital stuff is supposed to be better [TS]

  than the old cruddy physical stuff so I [TS]

  don't accept that because photos in [TS]

  shoeboxes were vulnerable to natural [TS]

  disasters the digital photo should be to [TS]

  digital can be copied perfectly that's [TS]

  the advantage of digital so I reject any [TS]

  notion that you only need to match the [TS]

  durability of physical photos which by [TS]

  the way you weren't matching anyway [TS]

  because the mean time between failure [TS]

  for hard drives is like you know three [TS]

  to five years and usually getting worse [TS]

  real time there some so the Apple [TS]

  eventually though I mean they did try to [TS]

  address this yeah yeah so this was 2005 [TS]

  when I wrote about this and my [TS]

  suggestion was just put two hard drives [TS]

  in there and take the money hit because [TS]

  you should be doing something so that [TS]

  they they did try to address it to their [TS]

  credit in 2007 two years later with the [TS]

  time machine feature introduced in Mac [TS]

  OS 10.5 leopard like was 10 10.5 leopard [TS]

  and when I wrote about it in my 10.5 [TS]

  review I think I called it the the best [TS]

  feature in leopard and perhaps the best [TS]

  feature ever added to Mac OS 10 and I [TS]

  still stand by that simply because it's [TS]

  not that it's such amazing wonderful [TS]

  technologically beautiful feature but [TS]

  that it filled really what I felt was a [TS]

  really really important need that was [TS]

  completely underdressed in a satisfying [TS]

  way before I did it in a way that it [TS]

  made it as easy as you could possibly [TS]

  make it on now they didn't include the [TS]

  extra hard drive but at the very least [TS]

  they had it so if you did if you did [TS]

  manage to buy an external hard drive and [TS]

  you plugged it in it would prompt you do [TS]

  you want to use this harder for backups [TS]

  and you click yes and you're done and [TS]

  that's it and that's pretty much as easy [TS]

  as you could possibly make it and then [TS]

  Time Machine had the advantage of also [TS]

  saving old versions of your files not [TS]

  just you know the current version sort [TS]

  protect you against accidental deletion [TS]

  but that time machine did really help in [TS]

  that it was sort of the the backup [TS]

  solution that people will actually use [TS]

  and previously Apple had had that backup [TS]

  program do you remember that yeah yeah [TS]

  it was it was sort of connected it had [TS]

  an umbrella as an icon right John and I [TS]

  mean it it was like a it you tied into [TS]

  MobileMe in some way this is back when [TS]

  it was still called da Mac yeah it was [TS]

  is you know hopeful for it if you google [TS]

  for apple backup you'll see that this [TS]

  program is generally considered to be a [TS]

  sick joke yeah it was not good because [TS]

  it did the one thing go on the backup [TS]

  program to be as reliable and this [TS]

  backup program could accidentally delete [TS]

  your data it could corrupt backups [TS]

  didn't work right it was incredibly hard [TS]

  and complicated to use and and the [TS]

  bottom line is since it was backing up [TS]

  the dot Mac you you can't back up your [TS]

  iPhoto library there have one kid for [TS]

  one year your iPhoto library will blow [TS]

  through your iMac storage right never [TS]

  mind if you have a family and have been [TS]

  doing this for years dot Mac even if [TS]

  that program worked perfectly which [TS]

  decidedly did not that backup program [TS]

  was not a solution and nobody used it [TS]

  very few people have heard of it except [TS]

  for geeks like us who tried to use it [TS]

  and then found out the sad story of how [TS]

  bad it actually works so I think they [TS]

  kept making it even after time machine [TS]

  but the backup program is kind of a [TS]

  footnote of history at this point that [TS]

  should be like a cautionary tale how not [TS]

  to do backup and with time machines they [TS]

  got a lot of it right but the thing I [TS]

  get back to a time machine is I'm still [TS]

  faced with when I tell my family to buy [TS]

  a Mac or upgrade their Mac make sure you [TS]

  get a hard drive of you know close to [TS]

  the same size as your internal one you [TS]

  know ideally at least as big as your [TS]

  internal one to do your backups down [TS]

  with Time Machine and it's an external [TS]

  thing you have to buy an apple doesn't [TS]

  sell them do you remember when Apple [TS]

  salt hard drives old man Benjamin I'm [TS]

  thinking about it but I I remember when [TS]

  they sold the external super drives [TS]

  should I thumb through my catalog from [TS]

  1992 you have to go back farther than [TS]

  that Apple did sell the Apple HDS C [TS]

  series of products that were like kind [TS]

  of platinum plastic boxes that had hard [TS]

  drives inside them I believe they were [TS]

  scuzzy and it used to sell external hard [TS]

  drives okay they used to also sell [TS]

  printers you remember that oh yeah I [TS]

  remember that they did that a lot longer [TS]

  yeah and eventually they got out of all [TS]

  these businesses I'm assuming because [TS]

  you know it's a sucker's business it's [TS]

  low margin there's not a lot of room for [TS]

  innovation they tried to make it high [TS]

  margin and people just bought [TS]

  third-party printers so we have the [TS]

  situation today where you go into an [TS]

  Apple store and they'll sell you a Mac [TS]

  but if you want a printer well here we [TS]

  have the selection of Epson and HP and [TS]

  so on and so forth afrinic Apple brand [TS]

  different even though apples and making [TS]

  them they were just you know rebranding [TS]

  by the time they will give you a rebate [TS]

  I don't know if they're still doing this [TS]

  but a few years ago it was the case that [TS]

  they basically you would get a free [TS]

  printer with a Mac or you could get an [TS]

  iPod instead right but not an Apple [TS]

  printer or not though that's that's [TS]

  another type of Kris show how horrible [TS]

  printers are Apple tries to pick good [TS]

  ones that will work well with your Mac [TS]

  but it's not a great experience but the [TS]

  Apple just doesn't want to be in those [TS]

  businesses and hard drives are a similar [TS]

  thing if you go there and they will [TS]

  actually try to push a hard drive on you [TS]

  like good little salespeople and say hey [TS]

  you're buying a new Mac we have this [TS]

  great feature called time machine [TS]

  by the way to use it you'll need an [TS]

  external hard drive and we have some [TS]

  here from Western Digital and from you [TS]

  know the company whose name I don't know [TS]

  how to pronounce but I'm going to call [TS]

  it LaCie since that's how I pronouncing [TS]

  it since I was 10 years old but if it's [TS]

  lasse I'm sorry employees of that [TS]

  company please send me correction email [TS]

  but they sell third-party hard drives no [TS]

  starter party hard drives are an insane [TS]

  ripoff because the mechanism in them [TS]

  usually cost 80 bucks and they charge [TS]

  you $200 for the drive for the plastic [TS]

  case power supply [TS]

  you know firewire chipset cable wall [TS]

  wart that will go bad in a year and a [TS]

  half by the way there they seem like a [TS]

  big ripoff to me but Apple still doesn't [TS]

  want to be in that business um [TS]

  so anytime you're you're in an Apple [TS]

  Store and encouraged to buy a third [TS]

  party product the free printer is you [TS]

  feel like all I need I need to print in [TS]

  there free so why not but the hard [TS]

  drives are not free and it just feels [TS]

  like you're leaving a little bit of the [TS]

  Apple umbrella when you're told to by a [TS]

  third party thing and in reality those [TS]

  star Barbie things not usually up to [TS]

  Apple quality not up to the build [TS]

  quality not up to the reliability and [TS]

  sourcing of components that the [TS]

  warranties are not as good it's not part [TS]

  of the Apple experience it's this other [TS]

  thing so I still feel like that's a hole [TS]

  in the an apples backup strategy with [TS]

  with Time Machine and the other big [TS]

  thing of course is that if your house [TS]

  burns down doesn't matter that you had [TS]

  your data on to hard drives they're both [TS]

  melted right so the big hole and that is [TS]

  you really need some sort of network [TS]

  backup or an off-site or some kind yeah [TS]

  and forget about off-site no normal [TS]

  people are not going to do off site [TS]

  where they swap hard drives with their [TS]

  neighbors or their relatives that's just [TS]

  not going to happen it's just too [TS]

  complicated [TS]

  and network you could argue that we're [TS]

  network connections are not good enough [TS]

  you have to support that but I would say [TS]

  that if you just left your Mac on all [TS]

  the time eventually it'll trickle up all [TS]

  your data to whatever magical [TS]

  destination [TS]

  and so I think the next thing I have my [TS]

  notes here and this is just this is the [TS]

  point of the program we talk about our [TS]

  backup regime so I'll let you go first [TS]

  and say what do you do to protect your [TS]

  not your business data because I don't [TS]

  that's kind of a different thing I don't [TS]

  think it's relevant to anyone who's not [TS]

  running their own business but your [TS]

  personal data the pictures of your kids [TS]

  movies stuff like that how do you keep [TS]

  that safe yeah I mean I think I think [TS]

  it's it's definitely a different [TS]

  situation and you make it's important to [TS]

  make that distinction a business backup [TS]

  strategy I think is very different and [TS]

  should be very different maybe than [TS]

  personal one and I've tried all of these [TS]

  different solutions I've tried time [TS]

  machine and I think it's great I think [TS]

  it's not as great for geeks like us as [TS]

  it is for regular human beings who don't [TS]

  necessarily understand backups who don't [TS]

  want to understand backups [TS]

  who only occasionally and only in a [TS]

  disaster type situation would ever need [TS]

  to recover their data from a backup like [TS]

  that I know a lot of people who are in [TS]

  you know they might be geeks but they're [TS]

  not like I mean I'm a UNIX geek at heart [TS]

  so that's the probably the worst kind [TS]

  but you know designers I guess they fit [TS]

  into the geek category but they don't [TS]

  say a lot of it a lot of designers they [TS]

  really just want to focus on design for [TS]

  example they don't they don't understand [TS]

  computers and they or they don't want [TS]

  understand art yeah they are min and [TS]

  that that's probably a safe [TS]

  generalization to make in a lot of cases [TS]

  they believe that a computer is just a [TS]

  tool that lets them do their art and [TS]

  there's nothing wrong with that that is [TS]

  appropriate for their profession yeah [TS]

  it's exactly and I know a lot of them [TS]

  who have had these Time Machine backups [TS]

  and when they get a new Mac instead of [TS]

  doing you know what what you and I would [TS]

  probably do which is maybe even manually [TS]

  bring data over and that that might be a [TS]

  topic for another show - how do you [TS]

  migrate machines but I you know instead [TS]

  of doing something like that now when [TS]

  you get a new Mac you turn it on it'll [TS]

  actually say you can transfer your data [TS]

  not just from another Mac but from a [TS]

  Time Machine backup and they've done [TS]

  I've seen people who have done this [TS]

  even even putting a new hard drive in a [TS]

  machine where they had a hard drive fail [TS]

  and they had a good time machine back up [TS]

  they put they install the new driver at [TS]

  they let Apple do it for them and then [TS]

  when they turned it on it stay it says [TS]

  brand-new install where you getting your [TS]

  data from you plug in your time machine [TS]

  back up and it just everything shows up [TS]

  and my understanding is that doing that [TS]

  actually takes a long time like well [TS]

  many hours and that it also that it [TS]

  works I've never done this I've never [TS]

  tried this I it's funny because this [TS]

  thing that that both of us would [TS]

  recommend for all normal human beings to [TS]

  use Time Machine is something that I [TS]

  just have not I have not had a lot of [TS]

  luck with it in the early days and [TS]

  that's because I always tried to do [TS]

  weird things with it like I always tried [TS]

  to force it to work over network volumes [TS]

  which it's not as good at doing but if [TS]

  you're the kind of person who has a [TS]

  computer and you want to back it up and [TS]

  you get a hard drive you plug it in [TS]

  guess what it'll just work and in fact [TS]

  when you plug in a hard drive to your [TS]

  Mac it will ask you if you want to use [TS]

  it with Time Machine and you just click [TS]

  yes and your backup is essentially going [TS]

  to just work at that point but me I [TS]

  haven't done that I'm much I still do it [TS]

  Amit but and this goes back to my days [TS]

  of running data centers and working in [TS]

  Knox and stuff and being you know being [TS]

  the guy that sets up the backup strategy [TS]

  and using you know that just to date [TS]

  myself a little bit here Sun OS 41.3 [TS]

  and you know running you know command [TS]

  line applications either you know making [TS]

  manual tape backups and flipping tape [TS]

  drives and stuff I mean that that's [TS]

  where I come from so for me I don't [TS]

  really mind a slightly more manual [TS]

  process but what I do for almost all of [TS]

  our Mac's [TS]

  here that are what I would consider [TS]

  personal Mac's John would be I use [TS]

  SuperDuper to create full Drive image [TS]

  clones of each individual Mac which [TS]

  really is only two we only have two [TS]

  machines that I would consider to be [TS]

  personal machines alive I have a 13-inch [TS]

  unibody MacBook and my wife has the [TS]

  latest 13-inch MacBook Pro you have [TS]

  drives connected directly to these [TS]

  machines will plug you in your plug in a [TS]

  USB mind [TS]

  a half FireWire it also doesn't have a [TS]

  backlit keyboard but I'm using it anyway [TS]

  it was my wife's I actually I'm using my [TS]

  wife's old MacBook as my main machine [TS]

  now because all the other ones are tied [TS]

  up in this this recording stuff so we [TS]

  will plug in a a harddrive USB and run [TS]

  SuperDuper and clone it and I'll tell [TS]

  you why I'm comfortable doing that both [TS]

  with my wife stuff and my stuff and we [TS]

  can talk about the business stuff [TS]

  because then it gets much more involved [TS]

  and it drives lesea drives and Drobo [TS]

  drives and everything else and an [TS]

  off-site and networked and everything up [TS]

  but I'll tell you why I'm okay doing [TS]

  that with both me and Moe it because I [TS]

  have another little little part of the [TS]

  strategy which is Dropbox and I have all [TS]

  of what I would what I would consider [TS]

  there's there's stuff that you [TS]

  identified as being important which we [TS]

  can call memories and then there is [TS]

  another aspect which I would call data [TS]

  data would be things like files that are [TS]

  not images and not movies but are [TS]

  important tax documents as though yeah [TS]

  maybe I mean it you know that I never I [TS]

  never liked having that stuff [TS]

  computerize anyway but I mean it could [TS]

  it could just be you know documents [TS]

  things that you've typed you know that [TS]

  kind of that kind of stuff all of that I [TS]

  think Dropbox is perfect for that and in [TS]

  some cases if you don't have a lot of [TS]

  images which we do but if you don't I [TS]

  suppose you could use Dropbox for that [TS]

  too but in the case of my wife like [TS]

  she's not she's not creating she trusts [TS]

  maybe this isn't so smart but she trusts [TS]

  me with all of the all the images and [TS]

  all that stuff so she doesn't she she [TS]

  knows that anything like that that's on [TS]

  her machine it's essentially just you [TS]

  know as she knows I have a I of a copy [TS]

  or I have the original or whatever so in [TS]

  the case of her machine she's also not [TS]

  doing a lot of incremental changes on on [TS]

  her machine [TS]

  she doesn't care if she has a file that [TS]

  she updates she doesn't care about two [TS]

  revisions back now all of my source code [TS]

  for all of the stuff that I do all the [TS]

  all the systems everything any software [TS]

  anything like that [TS]

  I've got all of that up in a in a source [TS]

  code repository somewhere whether it's [TS]

  github or somewhere else so anything [TS]

  that I'm creating on a day to day basis [TS]

  on that machine is either going to be in [TS]

  a source code repository or going to be [TS]

  copied over to Dropbox the exception to [TS]

  that is the other category which is [TS]

  memories and that's certainly going to [TS]

  be taken care of with the with the [TS]

  super-duper clone i actually have a [TS]

  couple of different drives that i'll [TS]

  swap out and do a super-duper clone and [TS]

  I do have a safety deposit box and [TS]

  periodically I will bring it you know [TS]

  take a backup to it but that's extreme [TS]

  and weird and and most people aren't [TS]

  going to do that kind of thing so I'm [TS]

  not but I'm not doing a regular time [TS]

  machine kind of backup I just did it [TS]

  just I think there are people who do it [TS]

  but I would want that to be a networked [TS]

  solution and I don't have a time capsule [TS]

  and I the transfer rates that I saw over [TS]

  Wi-Fi by connecting a hard drive to my [TS]

  Airport Extreme Base Station we're so [TS]

  bad and my understanding is you can't [TS]

  take it maybe I'm wrong about this maybe [TS]

  they've improved this since last time I [TS]

  tried it years back but you can't do [TS]

  like a local time machine back up to an [TS]

  external drive and then also use that [TS]

  drive later on on your airport [TS]

  time machine can you you can if you knew [TS]

  the insane contortions that you have to [TS]

  do to to make that happen I mean the [TS]

  beginnings of smart sparse bundles the [TS]

  network drive so you could take your [TS]

  drive that you backed up to locally [TS]

  image it is a sparse bundle put it on [TS]

  there twiddle with little files that [TS]

  match with the drive ID like if you go [TS]

  to Mac os10 hints.com or whatever that [TS]

  URL redirects to now there's tons of [TS]

  tips on how to convince time machine to [TS]

  backup to this thing that you've [TS]

  arranged and say no trust me time [TS]

  machine this is this is the same place [TS]

  you were backing up before pick up where [TS]

  you left off under all sorts of [TS]

  scenarios and some of them are you know [TS]

  my hard drive went bad I might have a [TS]

  new computer I want to move it from a [TS]

  local to a network it can be done but [TS]

  not by mortals not by you know regular [TS]

  people now for business stuff I've got a [TS]

  Drobo everything I keep we store [TS]

  everything on the Drobo and then I [TS]

  backup the Drobo so Drobo for us is it [TS]

  four five by five [TS]

  Drobo is primary storage and then I use [TS]

  SuperDuper to clone the Drobo um usually [TS]

  nightly so say that again turn it on to [TS]

  what clone it on to a lacy raid thing [TS]

  that's it's you're on with both [TS]

  pronunciations though let's see lacy [TS]

  however you want I'm just I figure if I [TS]

  say two different ways then you'll be [TS]

  right half the time yeah so it's you [TS]

  know we back it up to that and that [TS]

  thing doesn't have nearly the capacity [TS]

  of the Drobo but I'm not nearly at the [TS]

  capacity the Drobo yet and I'll deal [TS]

  with that later and as far as as far as [TS]

  these other there's companies out there [TS]

  uh there's Backblaze there's CrashPlan [TS]

  there's is carbonite another one yep and [TS]

  I'll use another one [TS]

  I'll tell I have tried I tried back lays [TS]

  and I tried a CrashPlan and both of them [TS]

  seem pretty good there's different [TS]

  degrees of how flexible they can be when [TS]

  you're doing the backups but the problem [TS]

  that I had is if you were to look at all [TS]

  of the personal photos and stuff that we [TS]

  have I mean like you said you know you [TS]

  have your first kid and if you have a [TS]

  DSLR forget about it I mean you're just [TS]

  gonna amassed RAW files take a you know [TS]

  raw raw images take up so much space [TS]

  that you're gonna you're going to eat up [TS]

  hard drive space and when you try back [TS]

  something like that up over the kind of [TS]

  networks that that that we have [TS]

  available here now we're not on the the [TS]

  FiOS like you guys it takes it to em [TS]

  mean maybe it would eventually catch up [TS]

  but it was it had taken like a week and [TS]

  so wasn't done yeah and the thing about [TS]

  those photos of your kids is you don't [TS]

  delete the baby photos no too like okay [TS]

  it just grows it only it only goes in [TS]

  one direction that direction is more [TS]

  more and more and God forbid each so [TS]

  having more kids or if you if you get [TS]

  into photography as a hobby or anything [TS]

  like that it's it's kind of weird that [TS]

  you know we started having people our [TS]

  age started having kids around the same [TS]

  time that Apple has started to make it [TS]

  convenient for normal people to keep [TS]

  their memories on their computer because [TS]

  it basically means that our entire child [TS]

  in years we'll be on the computer so we [TS]

  start started filling the stuff as soon [TS]

  as it came along and these kids entire [TS]

  lives are going to be there and I guess [TS]

  for all generations going forward [TS]

  that'll be the case but what I don't [TS]

  have done is I don't have a good [TS]

  solution for an off-site backup for [TS]

  personal stuff that is in the memories [TS]

  category and that's the stuff that I [TS]

  need the best solution for I mean look [TS]

  if if something terrible happened to the [TS]

  Drobo you know when we talk about [TS]

  business stuff I mean I'm doing I [TS]

  basically I'm doing three to four hours [TS]

  five days a week of audio recording and [TS]

  two or three hours around more than that [TS]

  a week of video recording I mean you [TS]

  know in an absolute worst-case scenario [TS]

  the Drobo blows up the the the the Lacey [TS]

  the lassie blows up I don't have I don't [TS]

  have a backup of this and by the way [TS]

  when I record sometimes we record right [TS]

  to the to the Drobo other times we're [TS]

  recording to the hard drive of the [TS]

  machine and transferring it depending on [TS]

  the situation and and my engineer who's [TS]

  in another state also has the original [TS]

  files up to a you know maybe like the [TS]

  last week's worth of files who's doing [TS]

  the editing you know I mean worst case [TS]

  scenario yeah I've lost those but as [TS]

  long as I haven't lost that day's show [TS]

  the mix down version to the mp3 is out [TS]

  on the internet in multiple places so [TS]

  what have I lost essentially I've lost [TS]

  the backup anyway um right but I mean [TS]

  I'm not I'm not saying that I'm Anna and [TS]

  I mean look if I lost that if I lost the [TS]

  the online version and the backup online [TS]

  version which one is on s3 and one is on [TS]

  a server somewhere else I I think [TS]

  there's enough people on the internet [TS]

  who have downloaded these shows that I [TS]

  could like say oh my gosh we lost [TS]

  everything and through crowdsourcing we [TS]

  could have it all back I wouldn't have [TS]

  the original files but you know so it [TS]

  again it's kind of a weird situation [TS]

  with me what about you what are you [TS]

  doing I'm sure you've got you know you [TS]

  probably do have certain people spread [TS]

  across the United States with copies of [TS]

  your data in trust so I started out as a [TS]

  as a backup slacker as a young geek and [TS]

  that I would I knew enough to know that [TS]

  I needed backups and I knew enough to [TS]

  work complicated program so at various [TS]

  times I had like educational license [TS]

  versions of retrospect I know if you [TS]

  ever used that program but it was [TS]

  horrible yeah I'll have you really [TS]

  really fiendishly complex and to back up [TS]

  because hard drives are so expensive I [TS]

  was backing up to like optical media so [TS]

  if you've ever done retro effects [TS]

  backups to optical media it's one of the [TS]

  worst experiences possible and it's so [TS]

  painful even for a geek that you tend [TS]

  not to do it regularly no but let me [TS]

  interrupt you and tell it tell Pete [TS]

  because I'm sure there are some people [TS]

  in the audience who don't know what [TS]

  retrospect is retrospect kind of goes to [TS]

  toward what you would almost see in in a [TS]

  corporate infrastructure of sorts there [TS]

  is a centralized computer server if you [TS]

  will that handles the backups [TS]

  it is it is instructed to go out to the [TS]

  remote client machines who are on the [TS]

  same network in one way or another and [TS]

  talk to them they are running the [TS]

  retrospect agent which is the client [TS]

  software that basically sits and waits [TS]

  and waits for the server to knock on the [TS]

  door and say time for your backup and [TS]

  then the client starts going through all [TS]

  of the data on machines on the machine [TS]

  keeping track of what's been changed or [TS]

  updated and sends that data over the [TS]

  network back to that server who makes a [TS]

  copy of it right there safe and sound [TS]

  on the server and this again can take [TS]

  five seconds if not much has changed or [TS]

  can take five hours if a lot has changed [TS]

  and this is really useful in the IT type [TS]

  infrastructure in the small office [TS]

  infrastructure and the big office [TS]

  infrastructure in some cases and it's [TS]

  especially useful if you have people who [TS]

  maybe are like traveling salespeople [TS]

  they show up on the network when they [TS]

  show up on the network their home [TS]

  network the retrospect client can tell [TS]

  the server I'm here and they'll get that [TS]

  backup done right away so it's it's [TS]

  great in theory but it is incredibly [TS]

  caught you need an IT guy to set it up [TS]

  it's not even though they didn't try to [TS]

  sell personal copies of that software [TS]

  it's more of a I mean when you're in [TS]

  education I was in college my star this [TS]

  you see a lot of this in fact I ran [TS]

  retrospect service for you know little [TS]

  groups and in the school must but I was [TS]

  doing myself but for personal use it's [TS]

  it's overkill yeah and you can cut the [TS]

  network out because you can actually [TS]

  have the client on the server on the [TS]

  same machine which was what I was [TS]

  usually doing but the worst part about [TS]

  it from a personal perspective is that [TS]

  it's backups are old-school backups it [TS]

  writes to proprietary files that [TS]

  could be on tapes even it doesn't kind [TS]

  of media agnostic but the bottom line is [TS]

  if if your computer goes bad you need [TS]

  retrospect to get that stuff back [TS]

  got a bunch of files sitting on disk [TS]

  somewhere too grateful encoded [TS]

  compressed big binary blob didn't serve [TS]

  basis [TS]

  god forbid like this is why I was bad [TS]

  with obstacle if disk number 15 of the [TS]

  series has gone bad because I'm doing a [TS]

  bad like crazy you can't even you know I [TS]

  thought I just want every file except [TS]

  for the ones that are just 15 sorry [TS]

  not particularly easy for you to do so [TS]

  so that was where I was in the dark ages [TS]

  and I knew it wasn't a good solution but [TS]

  I still have tons and tons of CDs worth [TS]

  of that I don't know why I would never [TS]

  be able to recover them because I have [TS]

  to gin up a machine with retrospect on [TS]

  it they could actually read these things [TS]

  and run the old version of the software [TS]

  but but that was bad and it was mostly [TS]

  because hard drives were so expensive [TS]

  eventually it became cheap enough where [TS]

  you could say that you know it's [TS]

  actually more economical for you to buy [TS]

  a second hard drive and back up to [TS]

  another harder which was a crazy notion [TS]

  back of that because you backed up the [TS]

  tape you backed up ops you back up to [TS]

  something that was cheap you're gonna [TS]

  back up the whole of the hard drive why [TS]

  if you've got that kind of money why not [TS]

  use the hard drive to store files [TS]

  because hey you know you've got double [TS]

  the hard drive space you know went from [TS]

  10 megabytes to 20 megabytes I'm gonna [TS]

  use that whole 10 megabyte hard drive [TS]

  for five hundred dollars just to back up [TS]

  that's absurd especially for you know [TS]

  young kiddos like a you know college [TS]

  teenage or whatever you have that kind [TS]

  of money to invest in something it's [TS]

  hard to just use it for backups which is [TS]

  the most boring thing ever but [TS]

  eventually did to go to that solution [TS]

  and I remember when I finally committed [TS]

  to doing that to having another hard [TS]

  drive that I was looking for a program [TS]

  that I could run it was IRS I've got a [TS]

  second hard drive I'm actually going to [TS]

  dedicate the backups I need to program [TS]

  all I want to do is just take my car and [TS]

  hard drive and copy down to the other [TS]

  one and I don't remember how I end up [TS]

  finding super duper but I downloaded and [TS]

  like I let me try this thing named seems [TS]

  stupid it's got an exclamation point and [TS]

  like yahoo it's inter capped it's [TS]

  ridiculous I launched it it's a brush [TS]

  metal window fine whatever [TS]

  it's a brush metal with like one bumpy [TS]

  and it says press this button to copy [TS]

  your hard drive with his other hard [TS]

  drive I press the button walked away [TS]

  came back a few hours later and it said [TS]

  I've made a complete bootable copy of [TS]

  your hard drive and I said Yeah right [TS]

  sure I rebooted from the secondary copy [TS]

  it booted right up it was like I was at [TS]

  the same hard drive and I immediately [TS]

  click the buy buy buy button as the [TS]

  fastest software deserve [TS]

  my entire life I used that program once [TS]

  and I bought it I wish I could have paid [TS]

  more from him like it was the it was the [TS]

  best one of the best software buying [TS]

  experiences I've ever had because I [TS]

  envisioned a program in my head that I [TS]

  didn't think exists I tried a couple [TS]

  things and won't behold I found the [TS]

  program that was in my head it was [TS]

  beautiful and I just loved it and I [TS]

  still you know loved that program so [TS]

  super duper is great freeze just just to [TS]

  kind of clarify what you would do we [TS]

  said for people who don't know how this [TS]

  thing works this is a Mac application [TS]

  specifically it's not there's no PC [TS]

  version of it sorry and it does exactly [TS]

  what John said it will it will go in it [TS]

  will backup your it will clone your [TS]

  entire hard drive but what's better than [TS]

  that is it's it's smart enough to know [TS]

  not to do that exact same process every [TS]

  time the next time you run it the first [TS]

  time you run it can take hours the [TS]

  second time you run it typically takes [TS]

  minutes because it's very fast it looks [TS]

  and says what's changed and just copies [TS]

  what's changed and and and it is kind of [TS]

  miraculous how how this thing works and [TS]

  it it's actually technically interesting [TS]

  because since I know a lot about the [TS]

  file system API is and everything when [TS]

  if you do know a lot about it and you [TS]

  hear how SuperDuper works under the [TS]

  covers but you know it does things even [TS]

  though it's called smart copy where it [TS]

  says only copy the things that have [TS]

  changed which saves a tremendous amount [TS]

  of time it does it in one of the dumbest [TS]

  possible ways it looks at every single [TS]

  file every time it says alright this [TS]

  file is it different yes no copy you [TS]

  know and and you would think well [TS]

  they've got these great api's now that [TS]

  the operating system can tell you please [TS]

  tell me all the files that have changed [TS]

  since since the last time I backed up [TS]

  and if it's only three files it'll [TS]

  instantly tell you those three files and [TS]

  you'll be done you don't have to check [TS]

  every single file on my disk because I [TS]

  have millions of files I have way too [TS]

  many files and the number of files not [TS]

  the amount of data is what really adds [TS]

  the time of backup if your hard drive [TS]

  was one big file it would go really fast [TS]

  to copy the whole thing but if you if [TS]

  you split your hard drive into three [TS]

  million files it will take way way way [TS]

  longer so you know you're like why super [TS]

  duper statting every single one it's [TS]

  hard to use UNIX Peaks but why is super [TS]

  duper looking at every single one of my [TS]

  files on on my disk every time that's [TS]

  not the smart back up it seems pretty [TS]

  dumb well the answer is that using FS [TS]

  events you'll miss files the FS events [TS]

  isn't a hundred percent reliable and [TS]

  this is exactly what you want from a [TS]

  backup program do [TS]

  the most reliable thing possible not the [TS]

  fanciest not the one with the most hype [TS]

  not the one that uses the most [TS]

  interesting technology they experimental [TS]

  II determine then it can be confirmed [TS]

  trivially if you google for ways to fool [TS]

  FS events there are a series of changes [TS]

  that can be made that FS events just [TS]

  doesn't pick up and you'll end up with [TS]

  the backup is not the same as your other [TS]

  one so they stick there what you want [TS]

  from like a you know the company that's [TS]

  building your house or a financial firm [TS]

  although that's kind of ridiculous in [TS]

  the current climate but back in the 80s [TS]

  a financial firm but you want solid [TS]

  dependable boring staid ridiculous [TS]

  unexcited you want it to be work every [TS]

  single time and that's what super dooper [TS]

  does so it's not as fast as it could [TS]

  possibly be because correctness is more [TS]

  important than speed and I really [TS]

  appreciate that about SuperDuper and I'm [TS]

  wary of any backup program that claims [TS]

  to for example be faster than SuperDuper [TS]

  Biggs's uses FS events crossed off the [TS]

  list immediately because it's just the [TS]

  known issue that's not going to get [TS]

  everything now people are asking the [TS]

  chatroom they're saying they're saying [TS]

  well can you do a super-duper clone over [TS]

  the network on a drive that's connected [TS]

  to an airport extreme and the answer is [TS]

  yes [TS]

  super duper doesn't just clone drives [TS]

  directly you can also have it clone to a [TS]

  sparse bundle is that am I saying that [TS]

  right yeah and then if you can you can [TS]

  you can have it clone to a sparse bundle [TS]

  on a directly attached network drive or [TS]

  on a network drive just directly [TS]

  attached drive you can do that on each [TS]

  of the machines you want to backup to [TS]

  then you plug that into your your [TS]

  Airport Express or whatever your base [TS]

  station of any kind that you want and [TS]

  and then just the next time you want to [TS]

  do a clone you tell it to use that image [TS]

  that's sitting up there on now on the [TS]

  server now being served up and it will [TS]

  work it will work fine yeah I'm it's [TS]

  harder to judge by a harder to clone [TS]

  back or running out of time here I don't [TS]

  think I would feel the whole time but [TS]

  let me just finish my backup regime so [TS]

  yeah you have - my history my actual [TS]

  backup regime is this what I eventually [TS]

  settled on we can go over an hour John [TS]

  alright well you know do you if you want [TS]

  to get I don't know I don't want to pull [TS]

  a Merlin man just keep talking so uh is [TS]

  it so what eventually settled on is this [TS]

  is my personal solution I would not [TS]

  recommend this for everybody as Stefan [TS]

  a geek solution but it shows the gap [TS]

  between my solution and what a normal [TS]

  piece person would do is exactly the gap [TS]

  between how backups are today and how [TS]

  they really should be for everyone to be [TS]

  protected so it would be nice if this [TS]

  solution that I have didn't need to be [TS]

  this complicated but it does so I always [TS]

  buy Mac Pros I'm a tower guy [TS]

  I've always bought them mostly I buy [TS]

  them because they have the good video [TS]

  cards and I do a little bit of Mac PC [TS]

  gaming so that's my only choice in the [TS]

  Mac world I gotta buy the big honkin [TS]

  Tower because it's the only one that has [TS]

  the you know a high-end video card in [TS]

  but the other thing that I like about [TS]

  the towers is that nowadays although not [TS]

  so much back in the bad old days of to [TS]

  internal drives nowadays you can fit [TS]

  four internal drives inside these things [TS]

  um and internal drives are way cheaper [TS]

  than external oh yeah okay you and you [TS]

  can pick the mechanism so you go to a [TS]

  storage room you calm which is a great [TS]

  website find the hard drive that exactly [TS]

  meets your needs buy that exact [TS]

  mechanism from whatever cut-rate company [TS]

  you can find you know you don't have to [TS]

  buy it from some fancy retailer get a [TS]

  really good price on it slap those [TS]

  suckers in no cabling no power supply [TS]

  now you've got four hard drives and what [TS]

  I do with these four hard drives is I [TS]

  decide how much data that I that will [TS]

  hold all of my stuff unfortunately this [TS]

  number keeps going up fortunately hard [TS]

  drive sizes keep going up but it used to [TS]

  be like 250 gig that 500 gig today I'm [TS]

  using a terabyte so I said I'm going to [TS]

  have a terabyte of data this will fit [TS]

  all my movies all my photos all all my [TS]

  family's data on it and I buy three of [TS]

  those drives so I say one terabyte is my [TS]

  size can be three one terabyte drives on [TS]

  the first one terabyte drive I boot from [TS]

  it I use it that's where everything is [TS]

  on a second one terabyte drive I time [TS]

  machine to it constantly time machining [TS]

  to it and time machining to a local [TS]

  drive is excellent and always has been [TS]

  excellent uh I think your problem with [TS]

  time machine is that you knew a lot [TS]

  about time machine you were kind of in a [TS]

  no-man's land between knowing nothing [TS]

  about my time machine just doing well [TS]

  tells you and knowing a ridiculous [TS]

  amount if you know ridiculous amount and [TS]

  you've talked to the engineers who [TS]

  design that they would have told you [TS]

  from step from day one do not try to [TS]

  network backup over time became first of [TS]

  all they were known horrible no data [TS]

  corrupting bugs [TS]

  yeah and backing up to even the time [TS]

  capsule for years I don't know how long [TS]

  it was a ridiculous amount of time and [TS]

  then they supposedly fix them all that [TS]

  it just never worked right so the [TS]

  the the the buzz around that if you were [TS]

  sort of talking to the people who are [TS]

  working on this product booze don't do [TS]

  that direct connect with firewire or [TS]

  best yet [TS]

  you know SATA shove the drives in your [TS]

  machine I've had no problems with time [TS]

  machine backing up to an internal drive [TS]

  ever to the entire history of time [TS]

  machine so solid and that gives me my Oh [TS]

  axel II deleted a file let me go find a [TS]

  type of thing and it gives you my [TS]

  completely up-to-date thing because time [TS]

  machine is always running so you're [TS]

  using time machine in addition is super [TS]

  duper right and then my third drive I'm [TS]

  super duper ring to my third drive on [TS]

  you know sort of a semi regular basis i [TS]

  SuperDuper do not I don't do it on a [TS]

  regular regular schedule because [TS]

  sometimes I want to delay if I like if I [TS]

  do a significant change to my system [TS]

  sometimes like science I updated office [TS]

  for example you get the new version of [TS]

  office I didn't do my super duper backup [TS]

  that week just because I wanted to have [TS]

  the option of going back to and the [TS]

  easiest way to go back is not to time [TS]

  machine restore the easy way to go back [TS]

  is to Reese - but from the super duper [TS]

  drive and clone back so I kept the super [TS]

  duper drive on the older version of [TS]

  Office for a little while like I like [TS]

  the flexibility of to decide when I made [TS]

  a significant change to have my backups [TS]

  in different states so that's three [TS]

  drives two different Mac up mechanisms [TS]

  and my final thing is what if my house [TS]

  burns down hmm [TS]

  and I can't rush into the computer room [TS]

  and yank out the drives which I thought [TS]

  about for much more than I should have [TS]

  but I don't know if I got the geeks have [TS]

  this type of scenario where like a vas [TS]

  burning down do I think I can get into [TS]

  my case and yank out the hard drives [TS]

  before yeah you can the towers too heavy [TS]

  plus you get all the wires you can't get [TS]

  you buttons the drive slide right out so [TS]

  you feel like you could flip that switch [TS]

  yank the drive anyway oh wait a minute [TS]

  you don't lock that you don't lock you [TS]

  don't keep your case locked [TS]

  you know the Madlock on there anyone [TS]

  gets in my anybody anybody could come in [TS]

  and pull one of those drives then yes [TS]

  those not they want photos on my kids [TS]

  they can happen but so anyway I need an [TS]

  off-site solution and my current and I [TS]

  and I like you tried the network backup [TS]

  solutions um the backup solution NetWare [TS]

  bagging solutions became viable when I [TS]

  got files I highly recommend anybody who [TS]

  can get it but I don't know what I would [TS]

  do if I didn't have files but the fact [TS]

  is that I do the one I settled on was [TS]

  Backblaze which has some limitations [TS]

  about oh I'm not going to backup your [TS]

  system files or whatever but it's very [TS]

  to defeat that by just editing their [TS]

  little plist and telling them that you [TS]

  backup everything it will dutifully [TS]

  backup everything once you edit the [TS]

  plist and tell it to do that I hope they [TS]

  never take away that feature by the way [TS]

  I hope no one bag blaze is listening [TS]

  don't [TS]

  my hack and my back place backup took a [TS]

  long time but I have known how long and [TS]

  this is over files and what up what up [TS]

  this is the slow files this was 20 [TS]

  megabits up I had at that time [TS]

  poor guy limited to 20 like then up 20 [TS]

  up it stuff I had symmetrical 20 of 20 [TS]

  down now I have 25 down 50 but those [TS]

  numbers are meaningless because the [TS]

  actual speeds they give you are much [TS]

  higher than that I supposedly have 25 [TS]

  down but I can get 35 down okay so what [TS]

  did it what it actually take time I says [TS]

  how much were you backing up data wise I [TS]

  think it was like a week for my initial [TS]

  400 gigs because at that time I was on a [TS]

  500 gig drive and now I think I have up [TS]

  there maybe six or seven hundred gigs [TS]

  but once you do the initial backup back [TS]

  plays I like it because first of all [TS]

  it's super cheap it's like five bucks a [TS]

  month or something even cheaper if you [TS]

  pay for a year at once and it doesn't I [TS]

  don't notice when it's running I [TS]

  scheduled to just run at night because I [TS]

  leave my computer on a night for it to [TS]

  run but I'd really don't notice when [TS]

  it's running it doesn't impact my CPU [TS]

  performance I don't see the thing [TS]

  grinding time machine is actually more [TS]

  of a hindrance like I see when time [TS]

  machine is going in this grinding my [TS]

  Drive occasionally I interrupted because [TS]

  it's bothering me um the back place [TS]

  never bothers me whatever mechanism is [TS]

  using to figure out what files are [TS]

  changed probably data is reliable is [TS]

  super duper because it's much much [TS]

  faster but really and also back place is [TS]

  not going to give me a bootable copy of [TS]

  my stuff if I want my data back from [TS]

  Backblaze I'm gonna have to pay them [TS]

  hundreds of dollars and to ship me a you [TS]

  know a big terabyte drive or whatever [TS]

  they're going to do but at that point [TS]

  when the house is burned down I will pay [TS]

  them I'll pay them a grand to give me [TS]

  back the photos of my kids and I'm not [TS]

  going to get my iPhoto metadata back [TS]

  probably I just want the JPEGs the [TS]

  original JPEGs and the original you know [TS]

  mp4 our move files or whatever I have of [TS]

  movies and my kids this is the worst [TS]

  case scenario last resort type of [TS]

  solution that I hope I never have to use [TS]

  but I do need an off-site so I use back [TS]

  plays the thing I'm going to add to that [TS]

  is once my brother gets himself settled [TS]

  in the new place he's moving in we're [TS]

  going to try to do we'll each by two [TS]

  terabyte externals and swap them with [TS]

  each other every you know a month or so [TS]

  now why not just use something like that [TS]

  like a safety deposit box in a bank yeah [TS]

  you could do that to safe deposit but [TS]

  it's just like how often do you go to go [TS]

  to the bank like I don't actually go [TS]

  physically to my bank unless I'm going [TS]

  to ATM and it's not at my bank proper [TS]

  but again I [TS]

  can I get a Canadian check [TS]

  can I get a Canadian check [TS]

  I've gotta go to the bank to deposit [TS]

  like otherwise I just used that ATM to [TS]

  drive through go there with your rolls [TS]

  of pennies that to change them in yeah [TS]

  but but yeah much more likely to if it's [TS]

  someone that you see on a regular basis [TS]

  you just you know bring the drives when [TS]

  you see each other and swap them and [TS]

  that will solve the problem for two [TS]

  different people but then you have to [TS]

  complicit ly trust that person as [TS]

  someone in the chatroom asked about [TS]

  crash crash glam yeah I was going to ask [TS]

  you why why Backblaze versus crash plan [TS]

  versus Carbonite is it just because you [TS]

  could do that hat did you test out [TS]

  audition the other ones what makes I [TS]

  read a lot about them initially crash [TS]

  plan was way more expensive than [TS]

  Backblaze so for especially for [TS]

  something I was trying out I didn't know [TS]

  if it would it would be feasible I [TS]

  didn't know how well it would work or [TS]

  anything like that I went with back play [TS]

  just because it was the cheapest and [TS]

  every time I really like crash plan has [TS]

  gotten a lot cheaper I basically come [TS]

  back to well it took me a long time to [TS]

  upload everything to Backblaze and [TS]

  really do I have a problem with that [TS]

  what am i problem I trying to solve [TS]

  what's wrong with back plays and it just [TS]

  doesn't bother me it doesn't hurt my [TS]

  computer it works reliably I've done [TS]

  test restore is to get individual files [TS]

  back and it seems to work just fine the [TS]

  bad thing about back plays it doesn't [TS]

  back up Mac metadata very well most of [TS]

  these services don't do that some of [TS]

  them are getting better but until one of [TS]

  them can guarantee 100% like there's no [TS]

  super dooper in the network backup world [TS]

  there's no equivalent of that this is [TS]

  just a series of mostly PC centric [TS]

  services that work to varying degrees [TS]

  and it really is that the thing of last [TS]

  resort so I just I said give me my data [TS]

  give me the file names I will have to [TS]

  painfully reconstruct my environment [TS]

  from that I don't really care about my [TS]

  applications that much or anything like [TS]

  that I just want my data so that's what [TS]

  I'm using for that crash plan is [TS]

  becoming more competitive and it gets [TS]

  really good reviews but I've also heard [TS]

  the decline is more heavyweight than the [TS]

  back plays client and I've just I just [TS]

  haven't had a reason to leave yet so I [TS]

  would encourage people to just try out [TS]

  the different ones mozzie is another one [TS]

  there's a what does that other one to [TS]

  some indie software developer making one [TS]

  that uses s3 yeah this is young great [TS]

  dish is that it does jungle this with is [TS]

  another one I wish I could remember the [TS]

  name of it chat room can help me out but [TS]

  this some other one that uses s3 as a [TS]

  back-end well I I've found that I really [TS]

  liked Backblaze also and it has a very [TS]

  Mac for [TS]

  my client and I actually have enough I [TS]

  think we have an affiliate link so check [TS]

  the show notes if you're thinking about [TS]

  trying Backblaze I don't know if the [TS]

  gate they had some offer about a year [TS]

  ago where it was like ten percent off [TS]

  but I don't know if that coupon code it [TS]

  that will be there is still good but [TS]

  I'll email them and see if they want to [TS]

  react that just for just for you guys on [TS]

  this show no promises but I'll ping them [TS]

  right after this and tell them that we [TS]

  but they're so cheap the full prices [TS]

  it's not expensive I dollars them five [TS]

  dollars a month for unlimited data that [TS]

  was the key for me because I said a cup [TS]

  of coffee at a Starbucks really right [TS]

  and you know and it's month by month so [TS]

  that's why another reason I went for it [TS]

  because it well one month five bucks in [TS]

  one month surely I'll be able to see if [TS]

  I can up you know you'll get a good [TS]

  experience of it I'll be able to do my [TS]

  initial upload and see what it's like on [TS]

  a day to day basis there's no risk and I [TS]

  just left on a month-by-month much [TS]

  longer than I should have been [TS]

  eventually I said you know what I'm [TS]

  obviously sticking with back plays let [TS]

  me just buy the yearly um I really wish [TS]

  they would do better with the mac [TS]

  metadata I wish they would become more [TS]

  Mac savvy and I wish their backup [TS]

  options were not as your account their [TS]

  restore options we're not as draconian [TS]

  as they are but for me it basically fits [TS]

  my needs and so far I haven't had any [TS]

  reason to go away from it so what else [TS]

  what else you doing up there so that's [TS]

  well that's what from my backup regime [TS]

  it's you know three or three hard drives [TS]

  any time you want one hard drive you [TS]

  have to get three of them that the [TS]

  reason this is all in one computer this [TS]

  gets back to a whole other show which is [TS]

  that my computer has to be the iPhoto [TS]

  computer right so my parents take [TS]

  pictures we've got it that's got to be [TS]

  our next show we've got to talk about [TS]

  and maybe there's a bigger overall topic [TS]

  there John but the the topic of how do [TS]

  you deal with that when you have a [TS]

  central repository for music or pictures [TS]

  or whatever like how do you mitigate [TS]

  that problem when your wife says so [TS]

  where's that picture of the kid when [TS]

  they were two years old and had that [TS]

  green hat on and I want that picture and [TS]

  what you know where's all the music like [TS]

  how do I get music on my computer Dan [TS]

  and my wife has her computer over there [TS]

  too and all I do for her computer is [TS]

  time machine to a far-our connected [TS]

  drive it's a laptop so we plug in the [TS]

  firewire drive occasionally and so she [TS]

  has no off-site backup but realistically [TS]

  she really has no data the only thing [TS]

  she does on her computer [TS]

  it are the taxes and I are sink those [TS]

  over to my machine where they enter the [TS]

  back up vortex and what about spreads [TS]

  I'm murky are you kids old enough to use [TS]

  computers they have they have a first [TS]

  gen iPod Touch as their device that the [TS]

  two of them share at this point we don't [TS]

  have any iPads yet we will get them this [TS]

  year [TS]

  I'm sure they'll try to commandeer those [TS]

  but so far they mostly just use the [TS]

  touch they don't use our computers that [TS]

  much occasionally they'll look at movies [TS]

  on them whatever but they don't use use [TS]

  them but whether can you share ages of [TS]

  kappa gatta i've got a three year old [TS]

  daughter and a six year old son okay so [TS]

  at 6 though you would think he's [TS]

  starting to get to the point where he's [TS]

  gonna want something of his own so far [TS]

  he hasn't asked for a computer he sure [TS]

  as heck wants an iPod iPad he was [TS]

  anything he definitely wants you on the [TS]

  iPods he's not excited to use the first [TS]

  gen touch he wants the you know 4th gen [TS]

  touch with the camera that my wife has [TS]

  so he's already become a connoisseur of [TS]

  that it's interesting they're much more [TS]

  interested in the iOS devices than the [TS]

  max but so far he hasn't asked for our [TS]

  Mac and of course he likes the Wii and [TS]

  the games and stuff like that yeah [TS]

  so so far not big on the computer and I [TS]

  certainly haven't been encouraging it [TS]

  because we don't have a computer for him [TS]

  to use but once my wife upgrades her [TS]

  laptop maybe there'll be something but [TS]

  yeah so the the solution to the family [TS]

  data is daddy's computer has all the [TS]

  data and mommy's satellite computer is [TS]

  it just mostly for throwaway stuff and [TS]

  anything important that does appear on [TS]

  it has to get sucked into to my computer [TS]

  right the final point I want to make on [TS]

  this backup thing is that I was taking [TS]

  Apple to task for not solving the [TS]

  problem completely back in 2005 Time [TS]

  Machine was a big help but there's still [TS]

  this gap is still the my house burns [TS]

  down gap on there and the fact that you [TS]

  have to buy third-party hard drive and [TS]

  for for the off-site backup it's [TS]

  unfortunate but true and this is another [TS]

  show topic I think I probably add to the [TS]

  list is that network services are [TS]

  Apple's kryptonite now there are many [TS]

  things that Apple doesn't do well but [TS]

  they tend not to do them network [TS]

  services is something that that Apple [TS]

  seems to want to do they keep trying to [TS]

  do it and they're so bad at it it's like [TS]

  the one or two things that Apple wants [TS]

  to do keeps trying to do and keeps [TS]

  failing and that's that's a whole other [TS]

  topic of why is that Apple's kryptonite [TS]

  what is their problem what's the hang-up [TS]

  so it's a shame that they don't have an [TS]

  offering in that area because certainly [TS]

  MobileMe about [TS]

  are not adequate in any possible way for [TS]

  that so what do you what do you then [TS]

  suggest let's say there's somebody out [TS]

  there who's listening to us right now [TS]

  and they've just got their one computer [TS]

  whether it's a laptop or or you know nor [TS]

  Mac Pro I mean what's what do you [TS]

  recommend that they do my recommendation [TS]

  before I hear yours my recommendation is [TS]

  is going to be if if you're the kind of [TS]

  person who likes the idea that if [TS]

  something terrible happens to your [TS]

  computer you don't need incremental [TS]

  backups but you want to get back up and [TS]

  running as quickly as possible [TS]

  you super-duper clone your drive every [TS]

  night and then if something terrible [TS]

  happens to your computer you plug that [TS]

  drive in you reboot from it and you're [TS]

  exactly where you were and you know what [TS]

  if something terrible happened to the [TS]

  Mac itself you can take that hard drive [TS]

  to another Mac and you can reboot right [TS]

  off that drive and it's your Mac on that [TS]

  Mac which is kind of magical and very [TS]

  cool and that's that's my recommended [TS]

  solution for regular for regular people [TS]

  and geeks for people who really just [TS]

  don't want to think about anything I [TS]

  would probably recommend time-machine on [TS]

  on an USB Drive that you just plug in [TS]

  and and backup but what do you recommend [TS]

  for regular people [TS]

  so my recommendation for non geeks and [TS]

  this is what I make my family do to the [TS]

  extent that I can is a bio external [TS]

  firewire hard drive and good time [TS]

  machine to it and the reason I pick time [TS]

  machine instead of SuperDuper is that I [TS]

  found that regular people really do [TS]

  appreciate the ability to get back file [TS]

  backs and I accidentally deleted because [TS]

  that does happen a lot and I think [TS]

  trying to get them to buy another piece [TS]

  of third-party software and use it even [TS]

  though super duper is super easy to use [TS]

  it's nowhere close as easy as time [TS]

  machine especially in terms of like [TS]

  without me without my support can they [TS]

  you know if their internal hard drive [TS]

  goes bad you know like the Apple [TS]

  ecosystem is set up to look for that [TS]

  time machine dried out as you noted it's [TS]

  put in if you put in another drive it [TS]

  will it will offer like there's so much [TS]

  more that they can successfully do [TS]

  without any help from someone who is a [TS]

  geek despite time machines limitations [TS]

  most of which I'm avoiding by saying get [TS]

  a firewire drive plug it into your [TS]

  computer leave it on all the time most [TS]

  of my relatives have like I max the [TS]

  people with laptops it just peer out the [TS]

  unplug in your laptop they don't need to [TS]

  know you know the only the only kink in [TS]

  this armor is and this is a sad document [TS]

  that should pop up on the web someday [TS]

  trying to explain to people how to mount [TS]

  and unmount to drive the concept of [TS]

  drive mounting you have your laptop go [TS]

  over to this desk plug in this firewire [TS]

  example that's all you need to do to do [TS]

  the backup when you're done doing the [TS]

  backup please don't just yank out the [TS]

  cable you have to unmount the drive hmm [TS]

  and try explaining that in words on a [TS]

  Piton one sheet of paper because I want [TS]

  to make a one sheet that you can tack to [TS]

  the wall that explains the steps it is [TS]

  really surprisingly hard it's like [TS]

  trying to you know describe an elephant [TS]

  to to a blind man it's just really [TS]

  really difficult that is the the weak [TS]

  spot in the armor and the weak spot is [TS]

  that they don't want to go through that [TS]

  procedure or they feel uncomfortable [TS]

  with it so they avoid plug in their [TS]

  laptop for too long I wish there was a [TS]

  backup solution that SuperDuper would [TS]

  have the same problem I wish there was [TS]

  some sort of network thing but again you [TS]

  know people who aren't geeks do not have [TS]

  good network connections they have the [TS]

  cheapest DSL they can get their Wi-Fi [TS]

  stinks [TS]

  that it's just it's a sad situation so [TS]

  network backups or even in-house [TS]

  wireless backups are not always an [TS]

  option for them so I say Direct Connect [TS]

  Drive and again the not buying Tower so [TS]

  it can't be sad it's got to be firewire [TS]

  USB and I'm still sticking to the [TS]

  firewire train just because I've had [TS]

  fewer problems with it you don't then [TS]

  know just to decide you don't think [TS]

  firewire is going to be gone from the [TS]

  next couple generation to max you think [TS]

  I don't know that that's part of that's [TS]

  part of the restore thing like when you [TS]

  do the restore the reason it's fast with [TS]

  time machine with a firewire drive or [TS]

  with another Mac we do migration [TS]

  assistance it's because it puts the disk [TS]

  that puts the Mac into firewire target [TS]

  disk mode so it becomes the world's most [TS]

  expensive hard drive enclosure you've [TS]

  got a two thousand dollar machine that's [TS]

  not really on it's just acting as an [TS]

  enclosure for the one hard drive that's [TS]

  in it and you get great transfer rates [TS]

  doing it over a FP or any sort of [TS]

  network stuff and doing it a Wi-Fi [TS]

  worst-case scenario is way way slower [TS]

  and it almost becomes unfeasible [TS]

  remember people trying to do time [TS]

  machinery stores or migration assistance [TS]

  on the original MacBook Air it just [TS]

  would simply never complete ever you [TS]

  know it would freeze in the middle you [TS]

  let it run for three days just it's a [TS]

  bad scene so your thoughts are the same [TS]

  for time capsule II don't recommend [TS]

  people I do not recommend the time [TS]

  capsule I also don't recommend Drobo by [TS]

  the way [TS]

  that's I mean obviously if you're [TS]

  professional you know what you're doing [TS]

  and you know you're getting into but and [TS]

  the fact that you're backing up the [TS]

  dribble makes me realize that you [TS]

  definitely get it because I mean I think [TS]

  I think people think of Joe Boaz as [TS]

  invincible but it still has moving parts [TS]

  in it I mean it's still it's a hardware [TS]

  device that did you know they made the [TS]

  hardware that makes that work yeah [TS]

  inside there right it's not it's not a [TS]

  commodity thing and I don't trust them [TS]

  not to have bugs in their firmware not [TS]

  corrupt every single one of those dicks [TS]

  discs it's it's something that happens [TS]

  though you know rate is not a backup and [TS]

  Drobo is not a back right that's that's [TS]

  something that a lot of people will say [TS]

  and that and and that is that just [TS]

  because you have raid whether it's [TS]

  Drobo's raid or an ass or whatever it's [TS]

  it's still not if that's your if that's [TS]

  the primary place where you're storing [TS]

  your data it's not a backup it's not [TS]

  invincible it has points of failure to [TS]

  the reason that we use the Drobo is and [TS]

  I love the drill we have at Robo Pro [TS]

  here and the reason I love it is when [TS]

  you're doing the kind of stuff that [TS]

  we're doing where we're creating like I [TS]

  said four plus hours a day of you know [TS]

  this this podcast uncompressed before we [TS]

  mix it down and everything you know for [TS]

  for an hour plus of recording it's going [TS]

  to be a gig and a half in size and you [TS]

  know when we mix it down it'll be a [TS]

  twenty thirty Meg and you know mp3 but [TS]

  we keep all those original files and [TS]

  that eats up data fast so you know the [TS]

  Drobo lets you expand that and that's [TS]

  why we do it but no I mean it has a it [TS]

  is it has failure points - so I have - [TS]

  of course I have to back it up yeah and [TS]

  the Drobo [TS]

  the main advantage of Drobo I feel like [TS]

  is it's a box that I always wish people [TS]

  would make and once they made it I [TS]

  realized that I still need backups but [TS]

  it lets for individual people on a [TS]

  budget it lets you get the most bang out [TS]

  of your buck because as hard drive [TS]

  prices go down you can take out the [TS]

  smallest drive in your dri bow in your [TS]

  Drobo and replace it with whatever the [TS]

  sweet spot of size and price is in the [TS]

  current range so you know 500 gig drives [TS]

  or 80 bucks so you fill a thing with 500 [TS]

  gig drives right then terabyte drives [TS]

  ready bucks so you swap one 500 gig [TS]

  drive one terabyte drive then 1.5 [TS]

  terabyte drives are 80 bucks so you swap [TS]

  another 500 for a 1.5 terabyte drive you [TS]

  can do this while the thing is on with [TS]

  out losing your data right and you just [TS]

  slowly crawl up the ladder of price [TS]

  performance and hard drive purchases and [TS]

  then for an individual person not a [TS]

  business because it's time to have more [TS]

  money and just pack the thing with the [TS]

  biggest drives they can get for an [TS]

  individual this lets you have the most [TS]

  storage with the least hassle for the [TS]

  least amount of money but you still need [TS]

  a backup yep you still need a backup so [TS]

  good good probably good note to end on [TS]

  do we want to do we want to announce [TS]

  what next week's show is going to be on [TS]

  do we know I'll probably add things to [TS]

  the topic list and then you'll have to [TS]

  pick some time on ones they're something [TS]

  and we'll see what we do so people [TS]

  people will just have to be surprised [TS]

  but if you want to be part of the show [TS]

  we love the the chatroom people they [TS]

  great advice in there happens while [TS]

  we're while we're talking we're doing [TS]

  these shows at noon Eastern Time on [TS]

  Fridays and we'll be back next week [TS]

  Eastern Time on Friday with with John [TS]

  Serkis and what it would people need to [TS]

  know how to how to find us so you can [TS]

  follow John on Twitter he actually does [TS]

  Twitter once in a while and today at [TS]

  siracusa and I'm told there's no Z in [TS]

  circus there's no Z sound it's si r AC [TS]

  USA USA just remember that and I'm Dan [TS]

  Benjamin on Twitter and that does it for [TS]

  this week so thanks for tuning in thanks [TS]

  again for rate in the show on iTunes [TS]

  anything else John we're forgetting I [TS]

  think that's it all right have a good [TS]

  one [TS]