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0:00:44monitor calm this is the first episode

0:00:47of hyper critical right you're John

0:00:49siracusa people know your writing from

0:00:52ARS technica and maybe some other places

0:00:55too out Dan Benjamin we're going to

0:00:57we're going to start talking about

0:01:00things technology maybe Apple a little

0:01:03bit things that we love and hate the

0:01:07you're gonna you're going to be more of

0:01:08the hater I'll be more of the lover I

0:01:11guess you hate plenty of things too we

0:01:13will find that out I think through the

0:01:15show yes but this is a new show I

0:01:18interviewed you on the pipeline and ever

0:01:19since then I said you we need to do a

0:01:21show and you kept saying I can't I can't

0:01:23do it I can't do a show I work and I

0:01:26said what this isn't work and you said

0:01:27well I have a full-time job I have to I

0:01:29have to go into an office I'm a you know

0:01:32I wear a suit and tie every morning and

0:01:34not quite punchy in but no I got a 9 to

0:01:395 but you made it work you you you end

0:01:42up 9 to 5 - more or less

0:01:43you know you went to your boss and you

0:01:45said that listen we got to make this

0:01:46happen this is more important than than

0:01:49anything this is the most important

0:01:50thing I've got going as the show and he

0:01:52said I said ok so they're making an

0:01:56exception and once in a while

0:01:57periodically we need to be fair and set

0:01:59expectations Jon that periodically we

0:02:03may not be able to do a show because of

0:02:05something urgent that happens with with

0:02:06you and your job that's true work has to

0:02:09take precedence but today we are doing a

0:02:11show and what are we talking about you

0:02:12came up with this long

0:02:13of topics and told me to pick one I

0:02:15picked one you just pick one randomly

0:02:17I'm wondering about that I know I picked

0:02:19on because I thought it would be kind of

0:02:21interesting but because I don't want to

0:02:23talk about Verizon anymore

0:02:24yeah really we could have another show

0:02:27we repeat everything that's already been

0:02:28said about the iPhone Verizon and Mac

0:02:30App Store now we thought one of your

0:02:33topics that I really liked was talking

0:02:36about the the present and future of will

0:02:41you say it it was your time also you

0:02:43picked the TV topic yeah the TV topic is

0:02:45not particularly topical because what

0:02:47the new Apple TV was the last time you

0:02:49know people in the Apple community were

0:02:51talking about TV but it's on my list I

0:02:53blogged about it when the new Apple TV

0:02:55came out but it's still kind of sticking

0:02:58in my craw the whole TV issue and

0:03:01apparently in your craw as well to some

0:03:03degree because you picked it out of the

0:03:04long list of other topics many which are

0:03:06much more relevant but well you know

0:03:07we'll save the list mean Marco can

0:03:09compare list because he's got a list

0:03:10I've got a list a lot although I show

0:03:11you my list yeah he doesn't reveal the

0:03:13list but the whole reason that I did I

0:03:15picked this topic I'll tell you why

0:03:17because I currently am I'm mystified

0:03:21first of all CES was was just last week

0:03:24and the big thing at CES you would think

0:03:29that more companies would want to be

0:03:32getting into this into this TV set-top

0:03:35box type space the Apple TV space for

0:03:38lack of a better term there are so many

0:03:41companies that do a really good job of

0:03:43this but you know and people love do you

0:03:45have one of the new Apple TVs do you

0:03:47have it I do not I have a new one and I

0:03:50have an old one and I'll let you take a

0:03:52guess which which one do you think we

0:03:54use for our main TV in the house new one

0:03:57or old I can't guess I don't know your

0:04:00TV habits I mean that the two machines

0:04:01are so different

0:04:02take a guess I'm going to say new old

0:04:05yeah yeah we started out with the new

0:04:08one but the problem with and at first

0:04:09like it seems like this is a really big

0:04:12benefit is that the thing doesn't need

0:04:14to sync or anything you know that's

0:04:16that's the big plus for it it doesn't

0:04:17need to sync you just do any computer

0:04:20can send stuff right to it or pull stuff

0:04:22from it right but that actually became a

0:04:25huge liability because my wife has a lab

0:04:27and my main machine is a laptop although

0:04:31I have like a dozen machines in here to

0:04:32you know to do the show with these

0:04:35different shows at the end of the day I

0:04:38just I have a 13 inch unibody MacBook

0:04:41that's my main my main machine where I

0:04:43would keep stuff like that and neither

0:04:45these machines are like consistently on

0:04:48you know and she found it to be a big

0:04:51pain it's like oh she'd have to go and

0:04:52get her laptop out open it up and and

0:04:55make sure that it's on and in some cases

0:04:57make sure that it was plugged in so it

0:04:59wouldn't run out of battery and he

0:05:00always is it is where she's sitting with

0:05:02it in a you know a Wi-Fi dead zone or is

0:05:05it okay I mean all of these different

0:05:06issues it makes it a big pain to make

0:05:09sure that that there's there's a data

0:05:11source for the new Apple TV whereas with

0:05:13the old one you sync it and if your

0:05:16primary audience is either somebody like

0:05:18us where we might rent something or buy

0:05:20something and watch it and we can plan

0:05:22for that or it's a three-year-old kid

0:05:25and he wants to you know watch whatever

0:05:27you know shows cartoons whatever you

0:05:29pull down for him it's so much easier to

0:05:31just load up the Apple TV and put it

0:05:34down there and then even if the internet

0:05:35connection goes out you still got it you

0:05:39know you don't need another computer to

0:05:40be on and hooked up and running iTunes

0:05:42and and there's a whole issue with the

0:05:44dropping the home shares did you ever

0:05:45have that problem I don't have either

0:05:48one of either one of these so why did

0:05:52you pick this topic then well I mean I

0:05:54because I have a lot to say about also

0:05:55what do you have to say about it well so

0:05:57let's let's I always like to pull back

0:05:59because I always think about you know

0:06:00I'll think about some topic like you

0:06:02know why the old Apple TV is better or

0:06:04worse than the new one and so on and so

0:06:05forth and then I'll just say is this a

0:06:07specific case of a more general problem

0:06:09and keep going up and up and up and at

0:06:11the top level this I end up thinking

0:06:12like it what's the problem with TV

0:06:14obviously there's some sort of problem

0:06:17with television that people are

0:06:19introducing products that will solve

0:06:20this problem for you and you know that

0:06:24the problem of TV I think my conclusion

0:06:26was that I think it's the same problem

0:06:28as with most other things like music or

0:06:30telephones or anything else is that

0:06:32technology advances and when technology

0:06:34advances it causes problems all right um

0:06:37so for consumers the

0:06:41problem with TV is that like at this

0:06:43point even non-technical Institute

0:06:45consumers know that the technology

0:06:47exists to do stuff that would sort of

0:06:49eliminate the past limitations of

0:06:51television all right then maybe they

0:06:54don't know the specifics but they just

0:06:55know that like television when they were

0:06:57growing at by these limitations that

0:06:58right now there's stuff that can get

0:07:01past them I go beyond what television

0:07:03used to be able to do and for you know

0:07:05content distributors or producers and

0:07:08everything their problem is that all

0:07:10this technology makes their past

0:07:11business models less effective so this

0:07:14is kind of the problem with TV this is

0:07:16why there's all this TV stuff going on

0:07:18because we've got this technology

0:07:19technology is the thing that screws with

0:07:21everything it it it makes that it puts

0:07:24the desire into the consumer because

0:07:26think if the consumers didn't know this

0:07:27technology existed like they didn't see

0:07:29you know that how their computers work

0:07:30and how their phones work how everything

0:07:31else works and say hmm why the hell is

0:07:33TV still stink right right and then you

0:07:37know the technology comes in disrupts

0:07:38the existing business models and so

0:07:41that's why I think people are trying to

0:07:42make TV stuff and even at CES you didn't

0:07:46see all the boxes and everything but you

0:07:47did you know you have Google doing the

0:07:49Google TV thing and stuff and people are

0:07:50trying to sell you televisions that are

0:07:52connected to the Internet and and all

0:07:54the other things so people are trying to

0:07:56make products to get money out of people

0:08:00who are trying to solve this problem

0:08:03with TV all right so let's look at what

0:08:05Apple did because Apple is always the

0:08:07great white hope and all these

0:08:08situations where we've got some sort of

0:08:11technology problem or whatever so they

0:08:13made the Apple TV version one right

0:08:15that's what you bought yeah and you're

0:08:16saying you know it does more or less

0:08:19what you wanted to do the stuff is on

0:08:20the TV you connect it to your television

0:08:23set you don't need to have any other

0:08:24computers on it's got a reasonable

0:08:26interface and what it basically did for

0:08:29you is that you could buy television

0:08:32shows and watch them on on this little

0:08:35box thing right right and then Apple TV

0:08:39v2 was the same thing but now you can't

0:08:41buy stuff you can only rent you can I

0:08:43can only rent I mean you could buy stuff

0:08:45on your own iTunes and and since it's

0:08:47streaming from your own computer you can

0:08:52watch that but I guess if you think of

0:08:55new Apple TV as as being a conduit for

0:08:58renting stuff then it's great they love

0:09:02it is it great like what limitations

0:09:04like you know what technology exists

0:09:05right what limitations of past

0:09:07television do these boxes bypass for you

0:09:09so that's a fair question I think the

0:09:11bigger the bigger limit the biggest

0:09:15limit is they act as a very effective

0:09:18conduit for throwing something up on a

0:09:21TV that you really like the airplay

0:09:23angle right that's a kind of a separate

0:09:25thing so did not give makes your TV more

0:09:27useful because now you can you know use

0:09:29it as a big-screen when you enter the

0:09:30room with your iPhone right and eject

0:09:32and the thing appears on the TV screen

0:09:34it is very cool yeah that's that's

0:09:37that's a legitimate new thing you're

0:09:38saying that let previous limitation of

0:09:40TVs that you had to like rummage around

0:09:41behind the thing and get all dusty and

0:09:43trip over the cables and everything

0:09:44anything on the TV it was just too much

0:09:46of a hassle and now you can do that so

0:09:47that's that's one use one one way that

0:09:49it bypasses the previous limitations but

0:09:52you know you've got a time shifting -

0:09:56right like you can watch the shows when

0:09:57you want yeah anytime you want but you

0:10:01you know you still people people always

0:10:02ask me this like can you tape they

0:10:06always answered tape by or they use a

0:10:08word tape can you tape stuff and I say

0:10:11no no you know and that's then so so we

0:10:14have this is the thing do you have a

0:10:15TiVo though right well it really depends

0:10:18on what people have it depends on the

0:10:20television habit so what would you say

0:10:21your TV habits are like you know you got

0:10:23the shows for the kids that's one thing

0:10:24and then do you watch television like is

0:10:26it as a weekly ritual nightly ritual

0:10:28yeah I am not all of a sports day right

0:10:32yeah I mean I'd like I don't I don't

0:10:33miss I only I only miss NFL if there's

0:10:37extenuating circumstances like for

0:10:40example my three-year-old wants to do

0:10:42something else which is usually but in

0:10:44you know prime time and if I always

0:10:45watch that i watch a lot of baseball but

0:10:47as far as like regular shows i only you

0:10:50know there's a few like science or other

0:10:53type shows i'll watch but you know like

0:10:56I don't have any shows and I just sit

0:10:57down and watch like every single night

0:10:59if I do I you know it's maybe thirty

0:11:01thirty to sixty minutes of TV a date

0:11:03like tops usually but I do TiVo stuff

0:11:08and and and the stuff that I TiVo a lot

0:11:10of the time is stuff that I just you

0:11:12know I think might be interesting or the

0:11:13stuff that evil will find for me that it

0:11:16thinks is interesting and it's it's

0:11:17usually pretty right on so with the

0:11:20exception of sports which I'm assuming

0:11:22you want to watch live when possible you

0:11:24are time time shifting pretty much all

0:11:26the other thing yeah and I do with the

0:11:28sports too which is the were you know

0:11:29like a lot of the time if the game you

0:11:31want to watch is on Sunday you know it's

0:11:33Sunday and it's a 2-1 o'clock game or

0:11:36even a 4 o'clock game you're not going

0:11:38to get to watch that if you want to

0:11:39spend any time with your family at all

0:11:41so I've got a I've got a tight and then

0:11:42I just hope that like nothing intercedes

0:11:45in my reality and I accidentally hear

0:11:47the score or something like that yeah

0:11:49that's a problem so here you are

0:11:51screwing with the content owners

0:11:53business models basically because your

0:11:54your time shifting and when your time

0:11:56shift it's much easier for you to skip

0:11:57commercials and and if you're not a big

0:12:00television watcher you don't have to get

0:12:02the big subscription that has every

0:12:04single channel in the world you can now

0:12:05get the small subscription with just

0:12:07your live sports and just pick up the

0:12:09other shows you want on iTunes or

0:12:10something right exactly if you don't

0:12:13watch 50 shows it's cheaper for you to

0:12:15go ala carte than it is to buy a

0:12:16subscription where it's previously said

0:12:17that our model is you buy a subscription

0:12:19to television through our cable company

0:12:21you the smallest patch you can get it

0:12:22has a million channels in it and we

0:12:24don't care if you only want one show

0:12:25right you don't have an a la carte

0:12:26choice right but think about what your

0:12:30experience is you already described

0:12:31three separate ways to watch television

0:12:33you've got live TV which is coming over

0:12:35your cable or satellite or whatever

0:12:36you've got your TiVo which is recording

0:12:39stuff from cable and satellite and time

0:12:41shifting it for you and you've got all

0:12:42now two Apple TVs but essentially one

0:12:44Apple TV per television which is another

0:12:46input where you're buying things on your

0:12:48computer and getting them synched over

0:12:49there or you're buying them from renting

0:12:51them from the Machine and getting them

0:12:52sink through that that's three separate

0:12:53things so that's this is a big

0:12:55complication over when you were a kid

0:12:57when you'd sit down in front of the TV

0:12:58turn the dials to the channel you want

0:13:00to watch at the appointed time yeah that

0:13:01was it was much better back then too and

0:13:04so you've gained all these abilities but

0:13:05you the experience is generally worse

0:13:07and forget about like don't even worse

0:13:09to get DVDs or blu-ray I don't know if

0:13:11you do any of that do you even have on

0:13:12an optical disk connected to your TV now

0:13:14not anymore the last thing we had when

0:13:17it went when I first bought a larger

0:13:21four

0:13:21at television which do you remember the

0:13:23fiasco called DLP I don't we were one of

0:13:27the fools who bought a DLP TV and and I

0:13:31when I got that I got an up converting

0:13:33actually I think I had a Mac Mini

0:13:36connected to the TV at the time but that

0:13:38didn't that wasn't as enjoyable as you

0:13:41know as I'd hoped it would be back then

0:13:44this is you know five or six years ago

0:13:46so I got a I got like an up converting

0:13:49you know upscaling DVD player which I

0:13:52forget how many years ago I took it out

0:13:54but no I have nothing like I couldn't we

0:13:57don't own a blu-ray player of any kind

0:13:59well if you did you'd be subject to

0:14:02another thing that's worse than you know

0:14:04past television experiences which is you

0:14:06just like DVDs or blu-rays you stick the

0:14:07disc in you got unskipable previews

0:14:09you've got ads the thing takes a million

0:14:11years slow forget about if it's a kids

0:14:12movie you just want to get to the movie

0:14:14and the kids really possible how can it

0:14:16be so bad I hear people saying this all

0:14:18the time and at first I was like now

0:14:19they just must have a stupid player or

0:14:21something but this is like a cross this

0:14:23is this is a feature as a feature for

0:14:25the studios like it terrible the DVD and

0:14:28the blu-ray spec say there's you know a

0:14:30bit you can flip it says when you're on

0:14:32this screen the following buttons do

0:14:33nothing and those buttons are taking to

0:14:35the menu skip advance you know sometimes

0:14:37they let you fast-forward scan through

0:14:39it and if you want your player to be

0:14:40compliant to get the little logo like

0:14:42for example PlayStation 3 once had the

0:14:44little logo that says it's blu-ray

0:14:45compliant and it's from Sony or anybody

0:14:47wants that you know if it's not some

0:14:48Chinese knockoff thing it doesn't care

0:14:50about compliance these the machines

0:14:52honor these stupid discs instructions

0:14:54that tell them not to let the person

0:14:56skip this that's why you can't skip the

0:14:57FBI warning you know the trailers for

0:15:00other movies you're not interested in

0:15:01you just want to watch the movie and it

0:15:04kind of got you technologically prisoner

0:15:06in the case of blu-ray because it is the

0:15:08highest quality video product that you

0:15:10can buy if you care about that kind of

0:15:11thing right yeah that's seen 1080p and

0:15:14you can you're lucky if you get 720 for

0:15:17most video services and if it's

0:15:19streaming forget about you know

0:15:20artifacting and other issues like that

0:15:22so I think TV is a big hairy mess right

0:15:24now like many other businesses have been

0:15:27big messes when technology comes along

0:15:30and changes them and so I'm looking to

0:15:32not just Apple but really anyone to say

0:15:34you know solve my

0:15:35problem I've got a TV problem because I

0:15:37watch more a little bit more television

0:15:38than you do more you know regularly

0:15:40scheduled shows and stuff like that and

0:15:42mainly on the sci-fi channel and my is

0:15:43my understanding it's not the case but I

0:15:46can be in your understanding if you'd

0:15:48like actually smart sci-fi is not sci-fi

0:15:51anymore it's s yfy room yeah nothing to

0:15:53do with science or fiction it's just

0:15:55something else oh but anyway I'm looking

0:15:59for a solution to this so of course I

0:16:00was an early adopter of TiVo because

0:16:03there was a company saying we're going

0:16:04to try to do something about the you

0:16:07know the we're going to try to advance

0:16:09the state of the art in television and

0:16:11TiVo was a big advance it gave abilities

0:16:13that didn't exist before

0:16:14it added only one box to your existing

0:16:18set which was then like a VCR or

0:16:19something eventually a DVD player right

0:16:22ah but but it basically replaced

0:16:24whatever was you were using to watch

0:16:25television with um but at this point

0:16:28everyone's got you know or everyone

0:16:30who's a tech geek or whatever has two

0:16:31three four sometimes a ridiculous number

0:16:34of things attached to their television

0:16:35yeah

0:16:36and televisions all have like four

0:16:38inputs which is kind of a recognition of

0:16:39the fact say look people want to buy our

0:16:41TV but they're going to have a bazillion

0:16:43box is hanging off this thing so we

0:16:44better put a lot of inputs on our

0:16:46television you know like how many inputs

0:16:48does your monitor have on as one how you

0:16:51connect the computer right but a

0:16:53television has 250 inputs because they

0:16:54know that it's it's a rat's nest of

0:16:56wires back there and the television

0:16:57watching experience is such that like

0:16:59when the babysitter comes over they

0:17:00can't figure out how to work your

0:17:01friggin TV because they can't better

0:17:04know what input to switch to or what

0:17:05buttons to press on to five different

0:17:06remotes and when the kid wants to watch

0:17:08you know this particular show it's on

0:17:10this device but this show is on that

0:17:11other device it's it's a nightmare so I

0:17:14want and not just a babysitter but

0:17:16didn't in many cases your house yeah so

0:17:18my wife hates it like we went out and

0:17:21bought one of these harmony remotes

0:17:22which that you know as horrible as the

0:17:25logitech harmony software actually is

0:17:27and it is horrible I mean it is it is a

0:17:31cesspool of user interface

0:17:34experimentation even even despite that

0:17:39it works pretty well but it doesn't work

0:17:41very well with a TiVo of all things so

0:17:44now we have the the Logitech Harmony

0:17:46remote which was working great

0:17:49and it was doing you know that the old

0:17:51DVR box that the cable company had

0:17:53forced upon us and then then the the

0:17:57Apple TV's it could it could do those

0:17:59but now that we have a TiVo we now have

0:18:02the TiVo remote again and she's back and

0:18:06forth to having two remotes again hates

0:18:08it two remotes is this I think I know a

0:18:12near victory because if you know have

0:18:13seven remotes you know you only have two

0:18:15and one of them controls a lot of

0:18:17devices is pretty good yeah but so you

0:18:19know we also don't have like a stereo

0:18:21this is so funny we have when we got

0:18:23this house it was already like set up

0:18:26for this it had the the connections for

0:18:28the speakers in the ceiling like you

0:18:30could put four stirs up in the ceiling

0:18:32so we you know when when I moved in I

0:18:34got speakers and I cut holes in the

0:18:36ceiling and where that wires were

0:18:37hanging down and put put the speaker's

0:18:40up there and wired them up but we never

0:18:42use them like I don't even have a stereo

0:18:44thing hooked up to them it they're just

0:18:46just they're just there at least audio

0:18:50still is reasonable in that you can get

0:18:54one set of speakers you don't have to

0:18:57get a set of speakers for each one of

0:18:58your devices yeah that's what it would

0:19:00be like it was in the same mess as the

0:19:01video component so but I mean you know

0:19:04so well so so well so think about the

0:19:06other thing I wanna bring up is uh you

0:19:08know so I'm looking for Apple to solve

0:19:09this right and I've been looking for

0:19:11years I've been buying TiVo's TiVo's

0:19:13doing what it can do but I felt like it

0:19:15wasn't enough and the boxes were

0:19:16proliferating and Apple was coming out

0:19:18with these things were just adding more

0:19:19boxes where I wanna buy them because I

0:19:22didn't feel like they were adding

0:19:23anything to my already complicated setup

0:19:25and then Jobs had that d8 conference

0:19:29last year to remember that uh yeah sure

0:19:31did that talk and the question came from

0:19:33the audience which the guy in the

0:19:34audience I'm glad he was there because

0:19:35he basically asked my question which was

0:19:37like TVs a big mess when are you going

0:19:38to fix it for me mr. Jobs and his his

0:19:43answer was that it's kind of intractable

0:19:46an intractable problem right now because

0:19:48the TV industry subsidizes set-top boxes

0:19:50and gives them away for free now the

0:19:53fact that that was the first inside of

0:19:54jobs his mouth it gives you a window

0:19:57into the way he thinks we said we can't

0:19:59solve this we Apple can't solve this

0:20:00problem because the you know set

0:20:03boxes are give away for free the

0:20:04underlying premise there is that the way

0:20:07Apple makes money is by selling hardware

0:20:09which is rich 100 true look at their

0:20:10balance sheet where does Apple's money

0:20:12come from

0:20:12they sell hardware they get good margins

0:20:14on it hardware devices cost a lot of

0:20:16money relatively speaking

0:20:17that's where Apple's money comes from

0:20:19which by the way I can get off a little

0:20:21tangent on the river in the blogosphere

0:20:23see the Apple is a insert word hardware

0:20:26or software company line Apple's

0:20:28hardware company they grant fines apples

0:20:30a software company big grant Falls those

0:20:31two sentences have been around for I

0:20:34think for as long as Apple's existed

0:20:36each you know each time you see it it's

0:20:38one person and fatica lee insisting

0:20:40either Apple is one of the other right I

0:20:42think it's kind of stupid because what

0:20:45is an X company Apple is an X company

0:20:47you can argue about that all day it's

0:20:49just semantics but if you look at their

0:20:50balance sheet it's much easier to say

0:20:53Apple makes its money from because that

0:20:55is a question with a concrete answer and

0:20:57you can't really debate about it so

0:20:58Apple makes its money from hardware so

0:20:59and Jobs knows that I think he's just a

0:21:02hardware kind of guy like I think that's

0:21:03how he comes at problems thinks about

0:21:05what is the thing that I can hold in my

0:21:07hand that will solve this problem

0:21:09so as soon as he has about TB says oh

0:21:11well the problem is we can't make money

0:21:13because we can't sell you a piece of

0:21:15hardware and he went through this whole

0:21:18big list of you know why they can't sell

0:21:19hardware because it's all subsidized and

0:21:20look at all the people have tried to

0:21:21sell hardware and he rattled off this

0:21:23big list of companies longer list than I

0:21:25could come up with on my own he came up

0:21:26with like replay TV remember them oh

0:21:28yeah I got driven out of business for

0:21:31skipping commercials TiVo Vudu right

0:21:33Google he threw google under the bus and

0:21:35you know they weren't gonna be

0:21:36successful with their Google TV devices

0:21:38and Sony and all these other people I'm

0:21:40saying that basically you can't sell

0:21:41these boxes because everyone just

0:21:43expects them to come for free with the

0:21:44television or be built into their

0:21:45television or come for free with their

0:21:47cable subscription and if we can't sell

0:21:49boxes Apple can't solve your problem and

0:21:51so he's basically saying all these

0:21:53companies are a failure even TiVo he was

0:21:55the first one he listed TiVo complete

0:21:57failure like we don't want TiVo's kind

0:21:58of success because it's basically

0:22:00failure to us right and he and he

0:22:02reiterated like the many boxes problem

0:22:04all you got all his crap connected to

0:22:05your TV is no fun you know he recognized

0:22:08that problem he and he said it is a

0:22:10problem and he just said there's no way

0:22:12to get past this wall right now I mean

0:22:15the only

0:22:16the only way to do it would be to tear

0:22:18up the set-top box and replace it with

0:22:20one box with a consistent UI and then

0:22:22get it to consumers in a way they're

0:22:23willing to pay for it right and you

0:22:25wonder like are you trying to say that

0:22:28the new Apple TV is that thing well they

0:22:32kind of got the get consumer get it to

0:22:34consumers in a way they're willing to

0:22:35pay for all right because they lowered

0:22:36the price really low and that's why a

0:22:38lot of people I think ended up with

0:22:39Apple TV 1r TV 2 and why it's selling

0:22:42much better than yelling booster like

0:22:43ants 99 bucks I'll try it but all the

0:22:46other problems still exist and a

0:22:49business that is not a tech problem

0:22:51because we have the technology it's not

0:22:52a vision problem because he knows where

0:22:53we want to go you don't want all these

0:22:54stupid boxes connecting everything it's

0:22:57just a go to market problem so there's

0:23:00no go to market strategy and he means

0:23:01from Apple's perspective we can't sell

0:23:03you a box therefore we can't make money

0:23:05therefore we can't solve this problem

0:23:06for you and this was a depressing

0:23:08depressing snippet of him when I saw

0:23:10this video my heart just sank because I

0:23:12wanted him to make me a box to solve

0:23:14these problems he basically said we're

0:23:16not going to do that because we don't

0:23:17think we can make money doing it and I

0:23:20could you know I can deal with that from

0:23:22a reality perspective as a yeah I

0:23:24understand this is a problem for you but

0:23:26I want someone to solve it right like

0:23:28don't you want someone to make your TV

0:23:31experience better

0:23:32in the living room fewer remotes fewer

0:23:36trade-offs between renting and buying

0:23:38and how much it costs and what you can

0:23:40get when you want this show isn't

0:23:42available because it's you know you

0:23:43can't see the new season of this show

0:23:45because it's not available yet and you

0:23:46can't see live sports because those

0:23:47contracts are locked up and you know

0:23:50this goes away from the store or comes

0:23:52back on the store but it's not an HD all

0:23:53these ridiculous limitations that we

0:23:54know are just artificial they're not

0:23:57they're not based on technology and

0:23:59they're just getting in the way of what

0:24:01we know should be possible in our

0:24:02utopian future of television watching so

0:24:06this is why Television drives me nuts

0:24:09and until someone solves it especially

0:24:10this Apple says they're just not gonna

0:24:12like what do I hope for now just sit in

0:24:14front of my TV and deal with all these

0:24:15boxes and say it's never going to get

0:24:16better well so what is the solution then

0:24:21you've got to have something in mind

0:24:23well a lot of things in mind but first

0:24:25you got to pick an actor like who's

0:24:27going to solve this at TiVo

0:24:30is probably the company who I give money

0:24:32to that I hate the most because I don't

0:24:35have a cell phone contract which that

0:24:36could be another show we could do but uh

0:24:38most people hate their cell phone

0:24:40providers but then you know still give

0:24:41them tons of money every month

0:24:42I despise TiVo especially in recent

0:24:47years but I keep giving the money

0:24:48because they're my best available option

0:24:50for what I want and the thing that

0:24:52drives me nuts about TiVo is they've

0:24:53been getting worse with time not better

0:24:54like this little you know iPod Touch

0:24:57that I have you know even a first

0:24:59generation iPod Touch that costs less

0:25:01than a TiVo is so much faster and more

0:25:04responsive than this TiVo box I bought

0:25:07like a year ago and it just it just

0:25:09makes no sense from a technology

0:25:10perspective it makes sense from a

0:25:11business perspective if you buy into

0:25:13jobs is a conclusion that TiVo is

0:25:16basically a failure because they can't

0:25:17make money well if TiVo can't make money

0:25:19they can't invest in their products and

0:25:20their products instead of getting better

0:25:21get worse with time like the new TiVo

0:25:23uses flash for its UI of all things it's

0:25:25slower than the previous model and that

0:25:27model is slower than the previous model

0:25:29right you're talking about a product

0:25:31they called like a premier is the new

0:25:33one that uses flash the one before it

0:25:34the one I have is a series three

0:25:37that was actually TiVo HD was likely

0:25:39cheap the cheaper series three sisters

0:25:42the luxury HD model and then they they

0:25:45sort of deke on dented it to use a car

0:25:48term and gave you a cheaper version that

0:25:50was similar in sides but less convinced

0:25:53fancy so you have probably you have

0:25:55probably the best HD capable one that's

0:25:57out there but if you I have several

0:26:00generations Attila's and house going

0:26:02back to a standard def one and they get

0:26:04faster and more responsive as you go

0:26:06back in time and you think of any other

0:26:08technology products like that it's

0:26:09readable and yeah drives me up a wall so

0:26:12TiVo is sort of you know not living up

0:26:16to its its contract to be a modern

0:26:18technology company and do all the things

0:26:20you expect them to do they're sort of I

0:26:21don't know if they're giving up or

0:26:23they're just struggling they don't have

0:26:24enough money that they're making really

0:26:26bad decisions like going with flash for

0:26:28the UI it's just slowing things down

0:26:29even more that's just it's just

0:26:32depressing

0:26:32yeah I think but but what what are my

0:26:34other options my other options are Apple

0:26:36TV well that's it doesn't make sense for

0:26:37me because the ala carte model is more

0:26:39expensive for me than a subscription

0:26:40model

0:26:42and you know what you don't so it sounds

0:26:43to me though like you're not really

0:26:45getting any content at all from a

0:26:48computer it sounds like I have a Netflix

0:26:51subscription so I streamed from Netflix

0:26:52all the time on on your TiVo well have

0:26:57seven boxes connected to my TV that can

0:26:58do Netflix soon you know your dishwasher

0:27:00will get the stream kinetic you're right

0:27:01but what does the stream Netflix well I

0:27:04have I have a choice of and that's the

0:27:05thing that almost maybe buy a new Apple

0:27:07TV because I have a choice of where I

0:27:08want to watch Netflix to and and I

0:27:10decide in a sort of extremely Steve Jobs

0:27:13Ian manner to use the box that has

0:27:16that's the quietest so my playstation 3

0:27:19for example can stream Netflix but the

0:27:21fan is allowed to forget it you know and

0:27:23a DVD player is considered Netflix but I

0:27:26usually have them turned off so if I

0:27:27don't have to turn them on at all I

0:27:28don't have to hear their fan at all but

0:27:29the TiVo is always on so streaming

0:27:33Netflix through the TiVo even though

0:27:34it's kind of slow and clunky adds the

0:27:36least amount of noise to my watching

0:27:38environment so that's what I do

0:27:39it's interesting though because I think

0:27:42for a lot of people but there's already

0:27:45existing content or they're getting

0:27:48content on the computer itself I've

0:27:51talked to people I won't name I won't

0:27:53name names okay but there are a lot of

0:27:55people out there and I know a few of

0:27:57them who acquire let's just use that

0:28:00term they acquire video content from the

0:28:06internet maybe they're buying it maybe

0:28:10they're acquiring it in some other way

0:28:11but they get it they get it they have it

0:28:14there are other people who will go and

0:28:16rent a DVD and they'll rip the DVD and

0:28:19know they'll have it whether they

0:28:21purchased it or rented it or whatever

0:28:23but they have it and they rip it and now

0:28:24it's on their computer and now they want

0:28:26to watch it on that television so Rivlin

0:28:29in these these situations I think I mean

0:28:31that's it doesn't sound like you do that

0:28:33you're you're I definitely do that I

0:28:35mean that's yet another we didn't even

0:28:36get it I get yet another source of stuff

0:28:38I'll say I'll get that how do you get

0:28:40that onto your teeth well so I've got

0:28:42the PlayStation 3 and I run a server on

0:28:44my Mac that can stream the content from

0:28:46the PlayStation through from the

0:28:47computer to the PlayStation 3 which

0:28:49plays up on the TV that's that's another

0:28:51example where Apple is not interested in

0:28:52being in that market Apple streams its

0:28:55from your Mac to the television but it's

0:28:58not interested in streaming the crazy

0:29:00you know that MKV file that you've

0:29:02downloaded from some you know place and

0:29:05the sad thing is that a lot of time I

0:29:06end up downloading content that I'm

0:29:08paying for sometimes downloading content

0:29:10that I'm paying for more than once right

0:29:12so I have a cable subscription and I pay

0:29:15for HBO and it's got a shovel HBO's a

0:29:16bad example I have a cable subscription

0:29:18it's got BBC America right I pay for

0:29:20this cable subscription I pay for the

0:29:21package that includes BBC America which

0:29:23is extra money right right and sometimes

0:29:25there's also BBC America available on

0:29:28Netflix streaming and I pay a monthly

0:29:30subscription for Netflix streaming and

0:29:31yet I still end up acquiring air quotes

0:29:34something that I could have watched when

0:29:37it aired on BBC America I could have set

0:29:39my Tivo to record when it aired on BBC

0:29:41America or I could have streamed through

0:29:43Netflix if I was if I wanted to wait a

0:29:45certain amount of time when it was

0:29:46available on Netflix streaming or I can

0:29:49have Netflix on me the disc when it

0:29:50becomes available on DVD but this

0:29:51subscription too so I'm paying all this

0:29:53money to all these different people and

0:29:54I still end up downloading it because

0:29:55it's a better experience because it's HD

0:29:57and my cable company does not offer BBC

0:30:00America and HD I don't have to wait for

0:30:02it appear on Netflix streaming and I

0:30:03don't have the way for discs to come in

0:30:04the mail but through the magics of the

0:30:06internet that you know an HD version of

0:30:09that thing appears the day after it airs

0:30:10and so it's an absurd situation where I

0:30:14you know obviously I'm paying for my

0:30:16internet connection to where that's how

0:30:18on the blotting is you know just because

0:30:19it's the best experience I want by the

0:30:21way you know that commercials are

0:30:22eliminated from it and there's no you

0:30:23know I'm sick of people things at the

0:30:26beginning you just download it when you

0:30:28go to sleep wake up in the morning flip

0:30:30on the PlayStation which is a little bit

0:30:31loud navigate with a little remote and

0:30:34it starts streaming from the Mac and you

0:30:36watch it it's it's a ridiculous scenario

0:30:38like no one wants my money I'm giving

0:30:40two different people their money and

0:30:41money and they still won't give me what

0:30:42I want I literally cannot pay for this

0:30:44content to be available to me in in the

0:30:46way that I want it you know in the way

0:30:48that I know is technically possible it's

0:30:51just absurd and and it's you know

0:30:53something only geeks can do to like my

0:30:55wife can't do this on her own if she

0:30:56wants you know some particular show

0:30:58she'll watch it on one of lesser formats

0:30:59if she has to yeah the couch with us

0:31:01asked me to set it up oh and but see

0:31:03there's a lot of people you know we're

0:31:05very much geeks and I think a large

0:31:07portion

0:31:08of our listening bass will be will be

0:31:11geeks but when Steve Jobs talks about a

0:31:15product he's not he's aware of us for

0:31:18sure

0:31:18but he's not thinking about us I mean

0:31:20that's that's why the iPhone is such a

0:31:23success because geeks like us can enjoy

0:31:25it but the regular human being who just

0:31:28wants something that works and that's

0:31:29cool and does a bunch of different

0:31:31things that they don't have to spend

0:31:33their lifetime figuring out you know

0:31:35that that's what they wanted like

0:31:36without getting into the whole phone

0:31:38topic you know that there needs to be

0:31:42that simplicity and ease of use brought

0:31:44to all of these things that we're

0:31:46talking about and you know who wants to

0:31:48set up a media server on their Mac and

0:31:50keep it running all the time so that

0:31:52they can stream con I mean like a

0:31:53regular person doesn't want to do that

0:31:55like for mobile like I'm curious what

0:31:57software you're using but a regular

0:31:58person their eyes just glaze over when

0:32:01you start talking like that the problem

0:32:03is the same it's just that the geeks

0:32:05have have some sort of recourse like

0:32:07because of the knowledge and skills that

0:32:09we have we can find something about it

0:32:10the regular people they have we all have

0:32:12the exact same problem we're just either

0:32:14more willing or able or probably both to

0:32:16go through hoops to try to solve it

0:32:17other people will just either accept the

0:32:19problem as just a reality or just sort

0:32:21of grumble data quietly but we're in a

0:32:23unique position because we know that

0:32:24this problem doesn't exist but from from

0:32:26the perspective of a company trying to

0:32:27solve it you can solve this problem once

0:32:29like I don't want to talk about phones

0:32:31or music but think either one of those

0:32:32scenarios they were similar you know

0:32:34technology comes in screws with the

0:32:35business let's pick music is an easy one

0:32:38you know messes with the business Apple

0:32:41recognizes that the technology enables

0:32:43you to bypass limitations of previous

0:32:45tech like you don't have to have one

0:32:46cassette of songs with you you can have

0:32:48your entire library with you we can make

0:32:49that what's built the device that does

0:32:51that and then all of a sudden people are

0:32:52ripping their CDs which have no DRM and

0:32:53them piracy is all the place music is

0:32:55completely free the record companies

0:32:59feel like their entire business has been

0:33:01destroyed by this company Apple comes

0:33:03out with the you know DRM and iTunes

0:33:06store get everyone together it gets all

0:33:08the big labels says look you know we

0:33:10just destroyed your business come we'll

0:33:11help you rebuild it put all your music

0:33:13into our store gives one unified

0:33:14interface to buying stuff sells a

0:33:16bazillion iPods the music industry picks

0:33:19back up start selling a lot of digital

0:33:20content eventually the DRM stuff gets

0:33:22dropped because they realize look you

0:33:24know it doesn't matter we're still

0:33:25making tons of money on this digital

0:33:26music with or without DRM customers

0:33:28don't like DRM let's drop it that's a

0:33:30success story Apple came into a

0:33:32situation that was you know for offer

0:33:34okay so first Apple wrecked it with its

0:33:35technology or anything but then they

0:33:37came in later and they got all the the

0:33:40parties together that needed to be

0:33:41brought together and they you know they

0:33:42come up with a solution

0:33:44phones are similar a little bit you know

0:33:47how we're phones broken before the

0:33:48iPhone well people you know if you ask

0:33:51them do you like your phone oh yeah I

0:33:52love my blackberry or whatever but

0:33:54people who knew more about technology

0:33:55knew that come on that's the palm

0:33:57operating system on your tree oh that's

0:33:59a piece of crap right and rim yeah it's

0:34:02nice for typing out your emails and

0:34:04everything but where's my web browser

0:34:05that isn't extremely painful to use

0:34:07right so eventually tech people and

0:34:09Apple knew that we had the technology to

0:34:11make something a lot better and they did

0:34:13but they they busted some incumbent

0:34:15business models to you know percentage

0:34:17of app sales is not going to Verizon a

0:34:19Verizon doesn't control what gets in

0:34:21that phone rising doesn't control when

0:34:23the OS is update but neither does 18 t

0:34:25they broke the carrier model no more

0:34:27$2.00 ringtone revenue coming in from

0:34:29four to all the carriers right Apple

0:34:32took that away from the carriers but

0:34:34brought the consumers a product they

0:34:35needed but TV like you can see jobs in

0:34:39this video thing which you should link

0:34:40in the show notes if you have them you

0:34:43can see him going through the scenario

0:34:44in his head like what we need what we

0:34:45need to do to do what we did in music

0:34:48and phone what we need to do to do that

0:34:49in TV and it goes to this big litany of

0:34:51problems like there's not five big five

0:34:53record labels there's a million you know

0:34:56cable companies and forget about that's

0:34:58just in the US the rest of the world the

0:35:00TV formats are even stood not standard

0:35:03so there's tons and tons of producers of

0:35:06television content and distributors of

0:35:08television all around the world and

0:35:09there's no single standard that they can

0:35:11build to again he's thinking of building

0:35:12a box like yeah you make it PL NTSC

0:35:15satellite cable do we have to work with

0:35:18every single cable company in the u.s.

0:35:20Plus every single cable and satellite

0:35:21company in the rest of the world that's

0:35:22a lot of deals to make um and so he's

0:35:27thinking of the business deals he would

0:35:28have to make he's like I want to solve

0:35:29this problem for you but I just can't

0:35:31think of a way to get these guys

0:35:32together now it's kind of a shame that

0:35:33they don't just you know he knows what

0:35:35he needs to do and you know it's

0:35:36difficult

0:35:36but they sell to a lot of carriers for

0:35:39cellphones too right like it's I don't

0:35:42know I guess I just don't see the upside

0:35:43but the Apple really needs a business to

0:35:46be a global business a big huge global

0:35:48smash bang business and in every case

0:35:51they felt like that and in that made

0:35:53them do it like GSM is the global

0:35:54standard so even though they have to

0:35:55deal with a million carriers they can

0:35:57make one phone based on GSM and sell to

0:35:59more or less the whole world and now

0:36:01they're you know back cutting a little

0:36:02bit with the CDMA stuff but that's just

0:36:03a stopgap but with TV I guess there's

0:36:07just nothing in there for them to get a

0:36:09foothold on they just can't sell you a

0:36:10box so they're just not gonna do it and

0:36:12I think somebody's do it if I become

0:36:15over the ridiculous fantasy scenarios

0:36:16and how Apple could solve this yeah I

0:36:18would say okay Apple work your magic go

0:36:21talk to first of all I don't care about

0:36:22the rest of the world sorry guys but I'm

0:36:23Sims thinking of myself here how could

0:36:25you solve the problem for the US right

0:36:27away this is not a feasible solution

0:36:28because Apple needs a global solution so

0:36:30right away I'm in Fantasyland but if

0:36:33Apple wanted to solve the problem for

0:36:34the US it would get together all the US

0:36:36cable carriers and satellite which is

0:36:39also impossible probably the same way it

0:36:41got together the record labels and say

0:36:43look we want to solve this problem what

0:36:45we're going to do is either try to get

0:36:47you guys to come to agreement or at the

0:36:48very least get you guys to sell us your

0:36:50content or maybe just one of them get

0:36:52like Comcast or you know Verizon files

0:36:56are working into your cell phone deal or

0:36:57whatever cell-cell Apple your content

0:37:00and then Apple in their mythical data

0:37:02center which in North Carolina which

0:37:03solves all problems if anyone ever has

0:37:05in the entire universe I'm going to use

0:37:06it now in my fantasy scenario to solve

0:37:08this problem Apple gets the the feed

0:37:11from the cable provider which they pay

0:37:13for it some drastically reduced rate

0:37:14pipe that into their data center where

0:37:17they have tons of little boxes that

0:37:19record all the shows and ferry them out

0:37:21or whatever and then Apple sells to the

0:37:22consumer a little tiny box or subsidizes

0:37:25you know $50 box $100 box or maybe it's

0:37:27given away for free gives that to the

0:37:29consumer and then watch all their

0:37:30television through that box they watch

0:37:32live sports to it they watch any show

0:37:33first-run movies anything you can get

0:37:35anywhere because Apple is paying Apple

0:37:38is basically the reseller Apple is

0:37:39acting like a cable company buying the

0:37:41content from wherever it's available

0:37:43storing it and then streaming it out to

0:37:45you for your monthly subscription fee

0:37:47that you pay that water box and

0:37:50that's all content that would be great

0:37:52yeah we already but I already skipped

0:37:55over seven reasons why that's basically

0:37:57impossible seven yeah but with that but

0:38:00that would be a solution because then

0:38:01you can throw it all your other boxes

0:38:03and there would be no limitations all

0:38:05right it all depends on the business

0:38:06deals and how much it cost so if they

0:38:08gave you the box for free and it cost

0:38:09you 15 20 $30 $40 I don't know what the

0:38:12price limit is a month where that would

0:38:13be a good deal but you know I want Apple

0:38:18to solve the problem and sell me the

0:38:20solution so Apple deal with all these

0:38:21companies that own the content Apple

0:38:23deal with who has the exclusive NFL

0:38:24contract Apple deal with why things

0:38:27aren't available in Netflix streaming

0:38:28but you can get them in on a DVD R and a

0:38:30blu-ray streaming HD content you know

0:38:33maybe my internet connection is not fast

0:38:34enough so maybe that's another reason

0:38:35the solution isn't as in the feasible

0:38:37yet but that would be one example of a

0:38:40solution another one that I would take

0:38:41as like a second choice is just Tebow

0:38:44get your act together because they're

0:38:46not solving the entire problem but

0:38:47they're solving a lot of it they're

0:38:48solving the broadcast television

0:38:50subscription problem for me because I

0:38:53pay for a subscription it's got a lot of

0:38:55shows Tebow does a lot of what I wanted

0:38:57to do some stuff is outside that realm

0:38:59like movies and stuff like that but for

0:39:01television shows traditional television

0:39:03shows - you would just get its act

0:39:05together and make a box it doesn't stink

0:39:06I'd pay a lot of money for you know oh

0:39:09and don't forget Tebow doesn't just sell

0:39:11to you that box they sell you a monthly

0:39:12subscription form right or a life

0:39:14together but they're taking away the

0:39:15lifetime it seems like well they keep

0:39:17saying they're going to but I just got

0:39:19one on my I mean do you have one on

0:39:20yours yes I bought it on mine I bought

0:39:23mine more recently than you bought you

0:39:25as my latest one my TiVo HD XL was only

0:39:27a year or two ago and they were still

0:39:29selling a lifetime but you know they're

0:39:31making ton I don't see how that can't be

0:39:33profitable the hardware in my TiVo must

0:39:36cost them one hundred and fifty dollars

0:39:37and I bought the box were like 300 and

0:39:40then paid like 500 more where ever was

0:39:42for the lifetime but the other people

0:39:43were paying month-to-month they're

0:39:45paying a monthly fee for what for the

0:39:47guide info they say you're paying for

0:39:49the list of when the shows are on list

0:39:51by way which stinks and does not

0:39:53correctly flag things as repeats and

0:39:55makes the Daily Show record 20 times and

0:39:57everything about TiVo drives me nuts

0:40:00but they still can't make money I hope

0:40:02they have a box that they sell it's got

0:40:04to be a massive profit and they have

0:40:05recurring revenue and they still can't

0:40:07make money it's just depressing

0:40:10yeah but here here's the thing let's

0:40:12take a step back for a second there's

0:40:14other there are other companies who are

0:40:16trying to solve some of these problems

0:40:17an example of that would be the Boxee

0:40:21Box

0:40:22have you tried this you read anything

0:40:24about this I know about boxy the program

0:40:27and I've used it I've read about the

0:40:29Boxee Box which I'm assuming would be

0:40:31like you so you don't have to PC running

0:40:32boxy connected here yeah its elevation

0:40:35inside this box and it will run the

0:40:36software for you right it's a small

0:40:38little cube that that sits under you

0:40:41know or beside your TV and it's it's

0:40:44small I mean it you know it you can hold

0:40:46it in one hand and it is some form of PC

0:40:51that that runs the boxy stuff and and

0:40:55it's that's all it does but you know

0:40:58really the it's the same as running boxy

0:41:01on on a Mac or PC yourself it just it's

0:41:04a it's a one and I think it's it's

0:41:06either 99 or 100 99 bucks I forget the

0:41:08price of it but what do you think of the

0:41:11boxy experience well the boxy and to

0:41:15even greater extent Google TV are kind

0:41:18of like like when I wrote my blog post

0:41:19with this solution or problem or I don't

0:41:22know I was just complaining really but

0:41:24if I wrote the blog post about TV there

0:41:26was a condensed version of this big

0:41:28complaint about television and why Apple

0:41:29doesn't want to do anything about it

0:41:32everyone said Oh Google TV have you seen

0:41:34the stuff about Google TV they're going

0:41:35to do what you want some people brought

0:41:37up boxy too like the thing was you know

0:41:39make me a box that's omnivorous this is

0:41:41the client-side solution instead of

0:41:43Apple doing something at a data center

0:41:44Apple or somebody else make a box it's

0:41:46omnivorous right take content from

0:41:47everywhere Google TV was totally trying

0:41:49to do that you attach the Google TV it

0:41:51is the Borg it absorbs all the 50 other

0:41:53inputs that you have right Amazon

0:41:55on-demand YouTube you know your Netflix

0:41:59subscription your television your cable

0:42:00everything it sucks it all in provides a

0:42:02unified interface and then you watch it

0:42:05and the demos for Google TV and the

0:42:07mission statement all sound great but

0:42:09you know how hard that is and Google is

0:42:10finding out how hard that is it's

0:42:11especially hard when you don't help

0:42:13apparently

0:42:13the broadcast companies that you're

0:42:15doing this and they said nope no content

0:42:16for you right okay that's kind of a big

0:42:19bummer you know great playing there

0:42:20Google but uh boxy and these other ones

0:42:23are kind of a a geeks type toy in that

0:42:26they're nudge-nudge wink-wink omnivorous

0:42:28where they say you know we can get

0:42:30content from YouTube and blonde anyplace

0:42:33else you might get it you know say no

0:42:34more say no more right like they do that

0:42:36thing and so people get the box and

0:42:39sometimes they're that they're filled

0:42:40with features that will like correctly

0:42:42recognized illegally downloaded things

0:42:44and provide album art from a

0:42:46crowd-sourced you know net album art but

0:42:48you know episode subscrip descriptions

0:42:50and it will identify this is you know

0:42:52dexter season 3 episode 4 with a full

0:42:54description and a picture of the thing

0:42:56and a star rating and social like they

0:42:59will go along there it's amazing to me

0:43:01these things work flex is another one

0:43:02that they will take your illegally

0:43:04downloaded content and make it feel like

0:43:06a much much much much better TiVo and

0:43:09and it's amazing you know the dream

0:43:11solution that I know some unnamed people

0:43:13do is you get an RSS feed from a torrent

0:43:17site that has torrents of the shows you

0:43:19want and that just runs continuously

0:43:20torrenting the episodes that you want

0:43:22and it puts them into your omnivorous

0:43:24box your numerous box sorts them out and

0:43:26breaks them down into seasons and

0:43:28everything and so when you turn on your

0:43:30television you have this interface to

0:43:31almost any Content you want in real time

0:43:34in HD with no commercials you know with

0:43:37subtitles if you want it just an amazing

0:43:39experience doesn't exist no matter how

0:43:41much money you pay anybody and you're

0:43:42getting it for free albeit illegally if

0:43:44you're a geek and set up this giant

0:43:46scenario that's that's too much work

0:43:48even for me and and especially since I'm

0:43:51paying everyone I can possibly pay to

0:43:54try to get the content I want already

0:43:55what I then what do you think of the

0:43:58potential down the road for and I've

0:44:03heard people talk about this before

0:44:04where essentially you pick and choose

0:44:08what it is that you want to watch and

0:44:10you pay based essentially instead of

0:44:13being for a an overall subscription you

0:44:16subscribe to just the things that are

0:44:18interesting to you so if you just want

0:44:19to watch The Biggest Loser

0:44:20you paid $2.99 for or 1099 or whatever

0:44:25it would cost for the

0:44:27description to a Biggest Loser and you

0:44:29get the whole thing and you get them

0:44:30when they come out so they are available

0:44:32to you you know on whatever night at

0:44:358:00 p.m. that's when you can watch it

0:44:37or anytime thereafter it's just there

0:44:39for you it's almost like that torrenting

0:44:41except it's more legitimate it shows up

0:44:44when it's available you watch it and

0:44:46instead of having to sort through the

0:44:49200 channels that everybody has the of

0:44:51which they only watch for and tape

0:44:54things on those four you know or or

0:44:56scattered across you know that the

0:44:59instead you're saying I'm going to pick

0:45:02a menu of shows I'm going to pay those

0:45:04shows appear on my TV I watch them when

0:45:07I want to watch them it's not quite

0:45:08video on-demand

0:45:09its subscription what do you think of

0:45:13that as a geek I have to be personally

0:45:17very wary of this and I think in general

0:45:19people need to to recognize the fact

0:45:21that subscription you know bundling of

0:45:24channels pays for the shows the geeks

0:45:27want to watch right a la carte it very

0:45:32quickly makes it completely unfeasible

0:45:33to make geeky shows because not enough

0:45:35people want to watch them so all those

0:45:38people who are watching America's

0:45:40Funniest Home Videos or American Idol I

0:45:42guess is the more modern reference there

0:45:43or any other sort of mass-market show

0:45:45those shows you know or even you know

0:45:47the popular basic cable shows those are

0:45:49paying for the shows that geeks want to

0:45:50watch and the reason a la carte is not

0:45:53you know offered as much as because it's

0:45:56more expensive and then the less the

0:45:58farther out of the mainstream you go the

0:46:00more expensive it gets for you so what

0:46:02about what about things like Hulu and

0:46:03integrating Hulu into you know into the

0:46:06boxy and and other things like that Hulu

0:46:08does solve a lot of that problem

0:46:10everyone is trying to it's a bunch of

0:46:13it's the free market at work everyone is

0:46:15trying to solve the problem in the best

0:46:16way that they can and I guess it's the

0:46:19fight to see who's going to you know do

0:46:20better but from the consumers

0:46:22perspective you're just slowly replacing

0:46:24one set of boxes with another set hoping

0:46:27someone comes out on top TiVo has

0:46:28actually been around the longest so a

0:46:30lot of anyone who's a TV geek and

0:46:32watches a lot of TV probably has series

0:46:34of TiVo in their lives at this point but

0:46:36there's still new boxes coming out that

0:46:37we're interested in and we keep trying

0:46:39one to see if this will help or this

0:46:40will work

0:46:41we're May building our own TV experience

0:46:43piecemeal from solutions that don't

0:46:46really solve our problem in their and

0:46:47their entirety just solve one small

0:46:49aspect of it and the geekier you are the

0:46:51more you're able to piece together what

0:46:53you hope is a solution that that fills

0:46:55the puzzle piece in your life for

0:46:56television but nobody's solving at all

0:46:59and these box makers and it's not Apple

0:47:03can't make a run of it but like Roku or

0:47:06Vudu they don't have this they don't

0:47:07have to have a global business where

0:47:08they can sell million units they just

0:47:09want to you know make a living they

0:47:12don't need an apple size kind of success

0:47:14to to feel like they're a success do you

0:47:16have a Roku I don't I mean like I don't

0:47:19use a Roku for anything that I can get

0:47:21in a Roku I can get it in a different

0:47:23form on another box that I have but like

0:47:25I said I almost bought that new Apple TV

0:47:27a because it's 99 bucks and be because

0:47:28it has no fan I said just think of it I

0:47:31can stream TiVo in what everyone seems

0:47:34to say is a better experience in

0:47:35streaming TiVo off of stream TV live

0:47:37stream Netflix yeah ah and the

0:47:39experience that people seem to say it's

0:47:41better than streaming it over a TiVo

0:47:42which I have no trouble imagining

0:47:43because the TiVo slow and annoying and

0:47:46just drives me nuts when it streams TiVo

0:47:48and it would add no additional noise so

0:47:50maybe I'd have tough time making that

0:47:53argument to my wife that I want to spend

0:47:55a hundred dollars and another box of the

0:47:56television just so I can do something

0:47:57that I can already do slightly better

0:48:00but you know so far I haven't bought one

0:48:01so what about what about what our friend

0:48:03John Gruber calls the back door the back

0:48:07door concept of being able to you know

0:48:10get an app on your your iPad or your

0:48:14iPhone and use airplay to output the

0:48:18video from that app and the one that he

0:48:20talks about and the one that I certainly

0:48:23would want to do this with and will do

0:48:26this with is an MLB so you want to watch

0:48:30a game you subscribe I think it's you

0:48:32know 14 bucks or whatever it is see to

0:48:34subscription to the MLB you set your

0:48:37iPad down instead of watching it on the

0:48:39iPad you hit the little airplay button

0:48:40and boom shows up on your Apple TV now

0:48:42you're watching it on your television

0:48:44and what about that you can do that with

0:48:47the Hulu app you can do that any any app

0:48:50my understanding is any app that has

0:48:54access to era that decides to get access

0:48:58to the airplay which is available if

0:49:00you're building an iOS app you can just

0:49:02use it you can output your your video

0:49:05right to that so in that sense it's like

0:49:08a your TV becomes a wireless monitor for

0:49:13your iOS device slea the Apple TV - you

0:49:18can get the cat to scare the bird and

0:49:20then the bird will make a squawk that

0:49:22will they will start all the the other

0:49:24bird talk over the use of all the same

0:49:26discounted you're discounting it you're

0:49:28not discounting and I'm just saying

0:49:29these are solutions for geeks that you

0:49:32you're going to go to someone and say

0:49:34here's the new way to watch television

0:49:35you're going to download an app onto

0:49:36your iPhone and you're going to press

0:49:37the button onto your iPhone and make

0:49:38sure your Apple TV that you also bought

0:49:40by the way is also set up and connected

0:49:42the televisions on that input and then

0:49:43you can play the thing from your iPod

0:49:44over there to the television but by the

0:49:46way it's going to drain the battery on

0:49:47your iPod and so make sure you have your

0:49:49app I plugged in and you can only do

0:49:50limited things on your iPod while this

0:49:52is going on and make sure you have

0:49:53enough space for the show you want to

0:49:54stream and it's not a solution to the

0:49:57television problems just one more it's

0:49:59just one more thing that you get and

0:50:01it's great and everything like I

0:50:02especially like the experience of go on

0:50:04a trip take pictures come back home and

0:50:06show the pictures without fiddling with

0:50:09stuff but even that is beyond most

0:50:12people I think it's just it's just great

0:50:14for us geeks and we're on the cutting

0:50:15edge of this maybe it'll get easier with

0:50:16time but that kind of backdoor solution

0:50:19I feel like everyone is nibbling around

0:50:21the edges of this thing but the mass

0:50:23market is still paying for cable and

0:50:24watching American Idol and that's their

0:50:26solution for television slim in the chat

0:50:28room says that you could make a nerd cry

0:50:30in 15 seconds by crushing his dreams

0:50:33that's true I you know I guess I'm

0:50:36getting greedy at this point because

0:50:37Apple has solved all these other

0:50:39problems for me at Apple pretty much

0:50:40solved the music problem and well now

0:50:43why do you think it was so it they they

0:50:45they walked in and really really did

0:50:48solve the music problem and they did it

0:50:50so quickly and so effectively why why

0:50:55was it so much easier there are you know

0:50:58and we know that the record industry

0:51:00they're not pushovers you know what I'm

0:51:03saying I mean it wasn't iTunes itunes

0:51:05was Pearl Harbor caught on my surprise

0:51:07right came out of nowhere Sunday morning

0:51:10bombed their whole business right and

0:51:12then and and just you know just

0:51:14decimated them and then then they had

0:51:16you know they had many things going for

0:51:17them the fact that there was big five

0:51:19record labels that sort of controlled

0:51:20everything instead of eight million

0:51:21different cable companies right right

0:51:23and the fact that they were they were

0:51:25negotiating from a position of power

0:51:27it's like look your business is already

0:51:28destroyed you need us to bring you back

0:51:30right the fact that music was more

0:51:35easily within the realm of technology

0:51:38abilities although I'm kind of

0:51:39disappointed that the iTunes resolution

0:51:41made a revolution made the quality of

0:51:43music go down reversing a very long

0:51:45trend of the quality music going up I'm

0:51:47talking about like bitrate and

0:51:48everything like that yeah it's still

0:51:49like for the mass market technology

0:51:52reached a point where we had no problem

0:51:53whatsoever giving you music that was

0:51:55good enough for all consumers television

0:51:57is pretty much at that point too but you

0:51:59could say like come on why is it not

0:52:011080p everywhere so we're just on the

0:52:03cusp but but music was well within those

0:52:06bounds and really just they just scored

0:52:08a surprise attack victory

0:52:10um and everything went right and caught

0:52:13everyone unaware caught the content

0:52:14providers unaware caught all of the

0:52:16other companies unaware Apple just got

0:52:17out the gate and did their thing and

0:52:19said yay we are victorious um but then

0:52:21every other business looked at what

0:52:23happened to music and just quickly in

0:52:25the boardroom it's like oh my god we we

0:52:27do not want what just happened to music

0:52:28to happen to us and they you know

0:52:30quickly fortified and started

0:52:31backpedaling and and said if if a fellow

0:52:33comes to us remember don't do what the

0:52:35music guys did just like yeah we got to

0:52:39be stronger we can't let them take over

0:52:41let's make deals with everybody let's

0:52:42tell everyone in content Netflix will

0:52:44sell you a Roku you want to stream

0:52:45through anybody what we don't want to

0:52:46Apple to have too much power it was it's

0:52:50kind of a little bit of a cluster now

0:52:51because the apples victory in music has

0:52:54made their repeat of that victory in

0:52:56other markets or anybody's repeat that

0:52:58victory landmark is much harder books

0:53:00are like that till you books all these

0:53:01companies music industry is kind of

0:53:03their cautionary tale and they have now

0:53:06become their own worst enemy even more

0:53:07so because they think they're doing what

0:53:09they need to do to defend themselves

0:53:11against that type of victory but

0:53:12consumer consumers perspective again

0:53:15other than the music quality going down

0:53:17consumers perspective iTunes was a big

0:53:19big win right

0:53:20we all have iPods we

0:53:21we don't really have many complaints

0:53:23about getting our music you know the

0:53:24Beatles are finally on iTunes like it's

0:53:26it's utopia utopia of poorly compressed

0:53:29music but still so then since we're

0:53:33since we're almost at a time again you

0:53:36do this on your lunch break we it's true

0:53:38yeah where where are we going to be then

0:53:40in a year or five years from now is it

0:53:42is it just going to be more devices that

0:53:45maybe do a little bit more but we still

0:53:46have 10 things hanging off the back of

0:53:48our TV I think that the things hanging

0:53:51off of our TV will get better and

0:53:53smarter and they will fight with each

0:53:54other or coalesce than expand and

0:53:56coalesce and expand I don't think

0:53:58there'll be much of a net change in the

0:54:00number of things but I think all that

0:54:02that activity will slowly slowly slowly

0:54:06leach out the mass market from where

0:54:11they are now which is a subscription

0:54:13television so from a cable provider a

0:54:15satellite slowly start pulling them a

0:54:17little tiny bit of time into other

0:54:18avenues I don't think in five years it

0:54:21will be that drastic maybe you know 95%

0:54:23of the people have cable or satellite

0:54:25subscription snow maybe it'll be 94 93

0:54:2792 but that will start to happen

0:54:30at the edges the geeks the people who

0:54:32only watch one show and they want an ala

0:54:33carte makes sense them even with the

0:54:35ridiculous pricing of you know one show

0:54:36over fifty bucks it still makes sense

0:54:38for some people to do that for an entire

0:54:39season of show that will just continue

0:54:42to happen in a nibble away at the

0:54:45corporate in five years I don't see it

0:54:47being fundamentally different unless

0:54:48some player gets the wherewithal to go

0:54:51for one of the solutions though that I

0:54:52talked about before the data center

0:54:54solution the client side omnivorous

0:54:56solution where you talk to the content

0:54:57guys beforehand and you make the UI

0:55:00Apple quality and not Google quality but

0:55:05that that's where I see things going I

0:55:06just hope Tebow is still in business

0:55:07because I don't know what I'm going to

0:55:09do if they're they stopped making their

0:55:10crappy boxes because then what am I

0:55:11going to pay for so yeah but what what

0:55:15what happens I mean the it's clear that

0:55:17TiVo is not like they're not they're not

0:55:20they're struggling they're not out of it

0:55:23but they're struggling

0:55:24I mean why why would a player want to be

0:55:27in this industry at all I'm all I'm

0:55:29frequently amazed that Apple has done as

0:55:32much as they've done

0:55:34for for this in this space it's clear

0:55:37Apple wants to be in this business but

0:55:40that jobs just recognizes as a

0:55:42businessman that he doesn't have a way

0:55:45to do it successfully yet maybe at some

0:55:47point that stops mattering and they do a

0:55:49pay pull an Xbox and say we're going to

0:55:50sync ten billion dollars over ten years

0:55:52into this business but it's going to

0:55:54lose money hand-over-fist but eventually

0:55:55we're going to have a foothold and maybe

0:55:57start making some market success I don't

0:56:00know if it's in Apple to do that type of

0:56:02thing they tend to want to make money on

0:56:03everything they do

0:56:03Nintendo style rather than Microsoft

0:56:05style but it you know it's happened in

0:56:08other industries before Microsoft spent

0:56:10billions of dollars to get a football in

0:56:11the console business they lost billions

0:56:13of dollars to do it and they decided it

0:56:15was worthwhile maybe some company

0:56:16decides the same thing about television

0:56:18and you know embarks on one of these

0:56:21endeavors that will actually solve the

0:56:23problem for the consumer even though

0:56:25they know it's like a long-term play

0:56:26like it's a ten-year plan before we see

0:56:28a cent out of this but who can do that

0:56:30Microsoft could do it in the console

0:56:32market

0:56:32barely who else is that big you know

0:56:35apples is a big play right the Exxon

0:56:37Mobile we'll get into the business of

0:56:40television there the other person who

0:56:41has a lot of disposable income but I

0:56:42really don't feel like that's their core

0:56:43competency yeah really all right John

0:56:46we'll work on it we're going to do this

0:56:47again right we're going to be back here

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0:56:57and and you know this will be a weekly

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0:57:03hear more from John if you want if

0:57:05people want to start reading more from

0:57:08you they should do what Ars Technica is

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0:57:26hear from me everyday 140 characters at

0:57:28a time that's one place to look for it

0:57:30place otherwise yeah I write for ours

0:57:32occasionally you'll see me in Mac world

0:57:33and I have a couple of blogs stashed

0:57:37away on the internet well very good well

0:57:39we will we'll see you guys all again

0:57:42next week have a good one