Roderick on the Line

Ep. 242: "Mr. Jingle-Jangle"

 

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  hello hi John hi moon how's it going Oh [TS]

  super duper might tell you something at [TS]

  the outset oh yeah lets your have an [TS]

  important public service announcement [TS]

  for you this never happens yeah so if I [TS]

  edited the show I would cut this out but [TS]

  five or so days ago my mac started [TS]

  suddenly dying like as in it was the [TS]

  equivalent of like basically if you just [TS]

  pulled out the plug did we stop oh wow [TS]

  yeah there's winches us as we say in the [TS]

  woke Twitter community it's problematic [TS]

  does that a bug or a feature yeah sure [TS]

  yeah well here's the thing long story [TS]

  short i'm pretty sure it's probably the [TS]

  power supply for a variety of reasons [TS]

  including that it takes about five days [TS]

  to get an appointment to drop your mac [TS]

  off to be looked at i've been doing lots [TS]

  of uh like crazy monkey stuff trying to [TS]

  like figure if i can troubleshoot it [TS]

  myself I think I've ice you know it's [TS]

  this is real medieval stuff basically [TS]

  I've tried unplugging everything I've [TS]

  reset everything I've done many many [TS]

  things and it appears so far that your [TS]

  computer guy well I used to be sure it [TS]

  appears that if I don't as long as i [TS]

  don't use a certain keyboard it stays up [TS]

  for at least 36 hours ok i just i here's [TS]

  the thing i love our relationship I [TS]

  think it's a strong relationship but if [TS]

  for some reason i suddenly stop talking [TS]

  and go hey it might be because the imac [TS]

  one day I have will nap I understand [TS]

  maybe get sleepy get sleepy you know [TS]

  yeah does well I had it better for over [TS]

  a year it's been pretty tired I have a [TS]

  couple of questions hmm yes you there is [TS]

  a technical question well a couple I [TS]

  mean for question number one when I [TS]

  first met you you had a lot of computers [TS]

  yeah yeah had a computer over here you [TS]

  had a computer over there yet a computer [TS]

  here you had one under the desk a talk [TS]

  to Arab mm-hmm right um how many [TS]

  computers are you like are when you say [TS]

  my computer you down to a computer [TS]

  that's a very it's a very very good [TS]

  question yeah you met [TS]

  at a time when I had I believe when we [TS]

  first started hanging out when we had [TS]

  our important last weekend where you me [TS]

  and Sean made the long winters website [TS]

  it was I had my desktop Mac which I [TS]

  think at that point was still my big [TS]

  blue and white g through Yosemite I had [TS]

  a windows pc on a plank that i was using [TS]

  to do cold fusion development and I [TS]

  probably was yes I was definitely still [TS]

  using my powerbook from the late [TS]

  nineties it wasn't their computer [TS]

  running in the background doing SETI [TS]

  Research mm-hmm Oh yet still looking [TS]

  yeah I think thing is when you and I [TS]

  first met when we we ah that does you [TS]

  know you can you can cut this out now [TS]

  but I think your main computer was a pc [TS]

  and you had just recently purchased an [TS]

  apple that you were experimenting what [TS]

  that is an impression that is very [TS]

  understandable um uh no actually i've [TS]

  been using a mac since 1987 it's how i [TS]

  learned how to use a computer and my [TS]

  first job be job and I you know I [TS]

  eventually got a mac in college and one [TS]

  of the lower end mak sae with me drives [TS]

  learn on a apple 2e no no I hated [TS]

  computers hey did computers I somewhat [TS]

  famously in the mythology dropped music [TS]

  theory when I was a senior and moved him [TS]

  to stage man to play guitar I hated it I [TS]

  didn't understand basic I thought it was [TS]

  stupid but no I'm the the thing was I [TS]

  had even I had my total amount of time [TS]

  until about two thousand one my total [TS]

  amount of time ever on a on a PC would [TS]

  probably be less than two hours ever Wow [TS]

  but there this long stories a boring [TS]

  story but basically there's this [TS]

  development environment that was much [TS]

  easier to do on a pc so my boss gave me [TS]

  a janky ass five year old pc to do this [TS]

  on oh icic but you know what the thing [TS]

  here's the thing that's really changed [TS]

  is you used to really have to have a [TS]

  computer because that's where your stuff [TS]

  lived and you know it's it was where [TS]

  that everything you think of book you're [TS]

  obviously your files and your [TS]

  applications you know if you wanted to [TS]

  have another copy of word on another [TS]

  computer you bought another copy of word [TS]

  and you move around the floppy disk or [TS]

  eventually network drives but no i mean [TS]

  like we make jokes about the cloud but [TS]

  like honestly it's it's amazing how much [TS]

  stuff i can do on any device and there's [TS]

  and that's actually I think I think we [TS]

  kid but I think that stuff that actually [TS]

  has gotten on Apple's and has gotten a [TS]

  lot better hmm the dying imac it's [TS]

  probably my fault i'm probably using it [TS]

  wrong but i holding it wrong okay now [TS]

  here's another question yes about your [TS]

  hygiene computer hygiene do you just [TS]

  leave it on all the time if you turn it [TS]

  off I do there was a time when it was [TS]

  believed there's so many things there [TS]

  just based on you ever heard this an [TS]

  ulcer I heard from John Syracuse you [TS]

  ever heard the old story about cutting [TS]

  the ends off the roast um the story goes [TS]

  the story goes that that someone in the [TS]

  house is preparing a roast and we've got [TS]

  the ends off the roast the story already [TS]

  don't cut the ends off the roadway cut [TS]

  the ends off the roast and and and then [TS]

  the other person the younger person that [TS]

  perhaps the child says you know hey why [TS]

  do you cut the ends off the rose and say [TS]

  I cut the ends off the rest because my [TS]

  mom cut the ends off the roast and you [TS]

  go it says its ends the roast all the [TS]

  way down until you eventually discover [TS]

  the original roast cutter did it because [TS]

  he only had a small pan and would make [TS]

  it Oh Sees not a good story see that's a [TS]

  good story good story there's all kinds [TS]

  of cutting the ends off the rest things [TS]

  the computer users have done for years [TS]

  that don't even really make that says I [TS]

  mean how many times have you been [TS]

  somewhere and you see people in line if [TS]

  they're not playing a facebook game or [TS]

  something they're they're quitting apps [TS]

  like you don't need to quit apps on your [TS]

  phone but people think that's a thing [TS]

  you should do you have to do that you [TS]

  don't have to do that um got a pan you [TS]

  got a pan big enough to hold the roast [TS]

  okay yes the pan the pan has says has [TS]

  gotten bigger and so one of that one of [TS]

  the pieces of conventional wisdom back [TS]

  in my day was you should turn off the [TS]

  computer at night it saves energy it [TS]

  increases the lifetime of the computer [TS]

  and then of course you get as we call in [TS]

  the business it turns out where people [TS]

  say no actually it takes more energy and [TS]

  we're on the computer to restart and I [TS]

  don't know if any of it was true but [TS]

  they're so energy efficient today and [TS]

  they do so much in the background that [TS]

  I think it you know just paisa leave [TS]

  them on yeah well I mean you know what [TS]

  did they say that it it ends up using [TS]

  more energy to to wash your hands and it [TS]

  does just to cure meningitis oh my [TS]

  goodness is that it's that recent [TS]

  scholarship John yeah I think it is I [TS]

  had no idea Jimenez is a big problem it [TS]

  really is and it comes from not watching [TS]

  your hands oh my goodness i I've gone [TS]

  through a whole renaissance of washing [TS]

  my hands again I'm back on the hand [TS]

  washing oh good good good no I never [TS]

  left it I really ok I see I feel like [TS]

  this is something where you peg people [TS]

  as OCD but like once you've had a kid [TS]

  and like in our case we were so freaked [TS]

  out we had several autumn if you [TS]

  remember we had several hand sanitizer [TS]

  stationed around the house for when [TS]

  people would arrive but you know I can I [TS]

  feel like this is anecdotal this might [TS]

  be cutting the ends off the roast but my [TS]

  kid went to a preschool we're washing [TS]

  hands was part of everything that they [TS]

  do always were washing hands and she got [TS]

  a lot fewer colds now today you go on a [TS]

  field trip the kids have been touching [TS]

  trees and railings like monsters and [TS]

  they just shove a sandwich in there [TS]

  gaping mom Oh God you know you get that [TS]

  we get that Dutch elm disease from that [TS]

  is that what happens is that yeah which [TS]

  is worse is that or meningitis is worse [TS]

  you touch a tree okay you just say you [TS]

  cram a sandwich into your mouth with [TS]

  your tree gummy hands you get Dutch elm [TS]

  disease right away I think that's way [TS]

  worse than it sounds terrible or like [TS]

  that zombie ant thing where do you get a [TS]

  tree beetle infestation Oh are there are [TS]

  instances that you can think of in your [TS]

  own life that you have cut the ends off [TS]

  the roast oh yeah yeah yeah there's tons [TS]

  of stuff in technology and there's just [TS]

  tons of stuff like you know I guess the [TS]

  word would be superstition that's too [TS]

  strong a word but it's something we're [TS]

  like there's this thing we do okay how [TS]

  about this do you do well you probably [TS]

  do this with your truck but warming the [TS]

  car up it used to be more sure do it get [TS]

  the bane of everyone in my family [TS]

  because we get out of the truck room [TS]

  I'll turn it up sit there for 18 minutes [TS]

  and everyone's like let's go right well [TS]

  and you figure you here in our language [TS]

  today like you say well I take the car [TS]

  in for a tune-up well you probably don't [TS]

  need to take your car you do but like [TS]

  you don't need to take most cars in for [TS]

  a tune up because there's [TS]

  thing to tune up in the conventional [TS]

  sense right that's right we often do you [TS]

  say like so like you want to show you [TS]

  ever do you still say like I'm gonna [TS]

  take that show no cuz you know tape [TS]

  things I don't take things but or like [TS]

  you know you you might say you're going [TS]

  to tape something when you're shooting a [TS]

  video on your phone some people still [TS]

  say i'm working on a record yeah how [TS]

  many grams of vinyl I loved your new [TS]

  record yeah you know I heard like one [TS]

  track on a email yeah in in music all [TS]

  the time I mean I catch myself doing [TS]

  things patterns that I learned in the [TS]

  very earliest days of picking up the [TS]

  guitar the little boxes and shapes that [TS]

  I learned that I should have unlearned a [TS]

  thousand years ago I sent it I sent an [TS]

  email the other day I'm sorry a text I [TS]

  started a text thread that included Ted [TS]

  Leo aimee mann jonathan coulton a couple [TS]

  other guitar playing ding-a-lings and I [TS]

  said Jimbo's a couple of these people [TS]

  and I said how do you fret how do you [TS]

  Fred a G chord how do you make a G chord [TS]

  hmm so open G just an open G chord in [TS]

  some senses the simplest chord open Jean [TS]

  my favorite cord and of the seven people [TS]

  on the thread I got back seven answers [TS]

  what Oh different and it started a huge [TS]

  argument between between all these [TS]

  accomplished guitar players who have [TS]

  been playing guitar for 30 years in most [TS]

  cases and they're all like you play a G [TS]

  chord like that that's done that's the [TS]

  you know me and the décor where I play [TS]

  it backwards cheetor it seems like a [TS]

  non-controversial chord where the main [TS]

  thing is do you include the extra BCD do [TS]

  you include the extra d on the B string [TS]

  that that was one of the things one of [TS]

  the major bones of contention I think [TS]

  you you you do don't you I do as a as a [TS]

  diddle but i don't i don't now like I [TS]

  think Ted plays the D in the G every [TS]

  time [TS]

  Oh interesting I said I woulda guessed [TS]

  he does I would see him doing more like [TS]

  a power cord well yeah except peas [TS]

  theatre PG in the deion en a string he's [TS]

  mr. jingle jangle yeah it's true now i [TS]

  guess but uh like I always play the the [TS]

  low G I always prep the E string on the [TS]

  G in my c cords oh I know I learned that [TS]

  from you and I never looked back yeah [TS]

  I've never played this changes [TS]

  everything but uh but so G chord rhett [TS]

  and the reason I asked it the reason I [TS]

  sent it out there was I was I was [TS]

  playing my g as I do and I and I became [TS]

  self-conscious about it because it's [TS]

  like the I Fred it the ultimate sort of [TS]

  cowboy like day one of your guitar [TS]

  lessons way just the basic gist kind of [TS]

  don g chord yeah and it and it felt [TS]

  unsophisticated to me all of us but it's [TS]

  so pure it was just like it's on an [TS]

  acoustic guitar so many open strings [TS]

  it's us a perfect chord yeah but it just [TS]

  felt like herpaderp so I so I asked all [TS]

  my friends I was like what do you guys [TS]

  do and you know like Jonathan Coulton [TS]

  has this whole this whole philosophy of [TS]

  a G store over G chord that I'm the way [TS]

  he frets it involves like muting strings [TS]

  with the with the fat part of his [TS]

  fingers and and he keeps himself like he [TS]

  keeps the cord wide open so he can do [TS]

  all these little Jackson Browne tweeny [TS]

  twang at ease with his other features [TS]

  like surfing he likes to fogelberg it up [TS]

  yeah he's he's fronting it basically [TS]

  with his pinky on the top and his thumb [TS]

  on the bottom I don't remember how he [TS]

  did it but I will she do the [TS]

  reach-around yeah it was very [TS]

  contrasting and everybody was like [TS]

  cushaw but he had that smug you know [TS]

  yale music degree kind of say John [TS]

  typical typical Yeah right right now so [TS]

  anyways all by way of saying when I sit [TS]

  down at the piano or when I sit at the [TS]

  guitar which you don't actually sit and [TS]

  we can yeah you can get where those [TS]

  fruity little stools and put your foot [TS]

  up in the air it was the guy that who's [TS]

  the [TS]

  blond guy about our age that played [TS]

  guitar like flipped up uh-huh or like [TS]

  how did he play it he he was like in the [TS]

  80s kind of like a bluesy rock guy [TS]

  blanket r-jefferson blunt guitar it [TS]

  wasn't black tar Jeffers and it might [TS]

  have been might have been a blind willie [TS]

  stewpot uh-huh right right right or he [TS]

  might be a blind blind Jimmy bindle pack [TS]

  he's yet bindle packs he's from the long [TS]

  line of bendel packs the facebook [TS]

  investors the twins the patch tool [TS]

  there's still millionaires I don't feel [TS]

  sorry for them they're all about the [TS]

  Bitcoin now is that right mmm wait a [TS]

  minute do you own a Bitcoin uh I don't [TS]

  know hmm what does it talk about these [TS]

  things oh icici it's a cryptocurrency [TS]

  isn't it one of those things like my dad [TS]

  used to get paid in in like a Aleutian [TS]

  art and and like you was get it's like [TS]

  it's a fur Confederate script if it's [TS]

  like the barter instead of giving you [TS]

  kicking people pay you and bake gonna [TS]

  have a Confederate scrip but I'm telling [TS]

  you buddy it's looking like a not make a [TS]

  comeback Jefferson Davis and so so any [TS]

  support all these things that were like [TS]

  some guy wrote out on a piece of [TS]

  notebook paper like here's the blues [TS]

  scale then I went home and I was like I [TS]

  own a Marilyn a blues scale and I still [TS]

  fucking play at every single day the [TS]

  exact I never learned anything else [TS]

  everybody's got a funny compulsive thing [TS]

  that they do you know my compulsive [TS]

  thing with little hammer on see you know [TS]

  the little walk up that's so good they i [TS]

  know i love the little walk that's when [TS]

  i'm playing my little guitar ukulele [TS]

  which is the main guitar that i play [TS]

  when i'm just sitting around thinking [TS]

  i'll do that or i'll do the basic box [TS]

  where you slide from them i'll do an a [TS]

  pentatonic where you do like a slide [TS]

  from GA do do do do do and I'll do that [TS]

  little bend over the fifth no compulsive [TS]

  thing you know everything everybody's [TS]

  got this they've got those little like [TS]

  yeah compulsive things I just recently [TS]

  started arranging my dishwasher in a new [TS]

  configuration than this is a huge this [TS]

  is a big deal it's a big deal i don't i [TS]

  don't like it but we all know what did [TS]

  come out of a reason or you just felt [TS]

  like you needed a change yeah I just I [TS]

  you know I didn't want to be one of [TS]

  those guys that I ranges his dishwasher [TS]

  the same way for the rest of his life [TS]

  good for you John yeah so I started [TS]

  doing it a different way and it's a it's [TS]

  a radically different way it's going [TS]

  across the grain mmm and there's a part [TS]

  of me that feels like mmm this couldn't [TS]

  work this can't work but I still I mean [TS]

  that there's no there's no wasted space [TS]

  in the dishwasher and I still managed to [TS]

  get all the typical it's not like I have [TS]

  a bunch of leftover dishes hmm so it's [TS]

  working but i'm i'm still does it feel [TS]

  wrong i'm just on pins and needles about [TS]

  it it's like changing the way you wipe [TS]

  some of those things were like you as [TS]

  you feel like there's an improvement to [TS]

  the system it still feels wrong it feels [TS]

  like you're at cross purposes with [TS]

  everything you know we know the [TS]

  apparently many many many years ago i [TS]

  encountered some little skirmish in the [TS]

  toilet paper roll wars mm-hmm where it [TS]

  was it was presented to me as a choice [TS]

  that you can either put the toilet paper [TS]

  roll on top feeding or bottom feeding [TS]

  yep and it was given to me that the [TS]

  majority used the top feeding method and [TS]

  so in order I mean mine my native [TS]

  response to that was to be to take the [TS]

  road less traveled by and that has made [TS]

  all the difference and so I put it on [TS]

  bottom rolling now because two rolls [TS]

  diverted in a wood that's right not [TS]

  because I preferred it not because I [TS]

  cared one way or the other because [TS]

  nothing could be more insignificant yeah [TS]

  but I just did it that way and then I [TS]

  posted a picture the other day of my [TS]

  toilet paper rolls somehow on the on the [TS]

  internet and I got all this blowback all [TS]

  this like you know you're doing it wrong [TS]

  yeah all that you're doing it wrong [TS]

  voices echoing out of the well actually [TS]

  and I never heard a single person say [TS]

  thank goodness a man standing up for [TS]

  justice and so now I feel I'm in a [TS]

  posture like the last time I change the [TS]

  toilet paper rolls [TS]

  put him on top over not because I [TS]

  succumbed to peer pressure but because I [TS]

  was wondering if there was some [TS]

  technological reason if there was some [TS]

  massive improvement in though in the the [TS]

  way that this toilet paper was going to [TS]

  perform and so now I've been dealing [TS]

  with this sort of over-the-top stuff and [TS]

  I'm trying to figure out like am I am I [TS]

  doing this better am I am I more [TS]

  refreshed when i leave the the the water [TS]

  closet am i do I go about my day with [TS]

  more of us bring in my step it's really [TS]

  hard to discern in such a short short [TS]

  amount of time but it doesn't feel right [TS]

  yeah i mean i used to have feelings [TS]

  about this you know there's just been [TS]

  there's been so many minor differences [TS]

  that the world and the internet in [TS]

  particular chooses to have a obsession [TS]

  about i mean you get the whole like [TS]

  pineapple on pizza there's all these [TS]

  different things that have zero impact [TS]

  and that seems to make them all the more [TS]

  important yeah I yeah I don't know I'd [TS]

  apple on one kind of pizza let's agree [TS]

  hmm well it's all green pineapple it's [TS]

  all Hawaiian style pizza yeah if you if [TS]

  you order that you get you get pineapple [TS]

  on it there it is it's the end oh [TS]

  interesting mekka lekka hi mekka hiney [TS]

  ho right yeah Oh wah wah wah wah oh look [TS]

  like it took a look like a look okay I [TS]

  was not really insensitive of me I was [TS]

  thinking about this the other day yes [TS]

  the degree this was this was very [TS]

  confusing to me at first but then I [TS]

  thought that I thought that I found a [TS]

  way out of the jungle which was that I [TS]

  was reflecting on Noam Chomsky mm-hmm [TS]

  and I was reflecting on the fact that [TS]

  you know I i liked not liked you can't [TS]

  say that you like Noam Chomsky but I did [TS]

  a deep dive on Noam Chomsky during the [TS]

  time that we all did back in art back in [TS]

  our 20s in and and my experience of Noam [TS]

  Chomsky was that there was nothing he [TS]

  said that that you could point a finger [TS]

  at and say I just you know that's wrong [TS]

  right i mean everything he said [TS]

  conformed to my own beliefs and and [TS]

  supported my own suspicions and you know [TS]

  confirmed kind of my vision of the world [TS]

  and I didn't I I agreed with noam [TS]

  chomsky all the way down but still it [TS]

  seemed that Noam Chomsky was wrong like [TS]

  he was you couldn't point at anything [TS]

  like all of his proofs were correct and [TS]

  yet still in the aggregate from the from [TS]

  a mile high he was just he was just [TS]

  wrong like anarcho-syndicalism or [TS]

  whatever is not the solution and and I [TS]

  and I was you know kind of chewing on [TS]

  this because it seems like a it seems [TS]

  like it would be it was I was trying to [TS]

  figure out how that was some insight [TS]

  into now and I realized that or I didn't [TS]

  realize but I but then I started [TS]

  thinking about how in math and in [TS]

  science you people will pursue these [TS]

  elegant solutions to problems and the [TS]

  solution will be this beautiful thing [TS]

  that that is right absolutely right all [TS]

  the way through it and then at the very [TS]

  end it is not correct right it doesn't [TS]

  solve for x and the mathematician goes [TS]

  back to the drawing board and and a lot [TS]

  of times is a lot of times they waste [TS]

  years because it the thing they're [TS]

  working on is so beautiful and so true [TS]

  that they can't abandon it and it and it [TS]

  started to just sort of start spin in my [TS]

  head that in the sciences where we're [TS]

  able at least at the end to to examine [TS]

  the thing that is that is beautiful and [TS]

  if it doesn't work we have to throw it [TS]

  away even even in spite of its beauty or [TS]

  we keep certain parts of it but but we [TS]

  have to we have to acknowledge that it [TS]

  it it isn't true and in the social [TS]

  sciences and Impala [TS]

  we can pursue these ideas these like [TS]

  tallies towering sort of formations of [TS]

  ideas and they feel true and they seem [TS]

  true and they all sort of logically [TS]

  follow but at the end we don't have that [TS]

  you know that the anna and i think it's [TS]

  not that there isn't a true answer it's [TS]

  just that we don't have the technology [TS]

  right now the intelligence or the [TS]

  technology to discern what the true [TS]

  answer is in in the science and the [TS]

  social sciences are in politics right we [TS]

  just can't see it and you know a [TS]

  thousand years from now or even two [TS]

  hundred years from now it may be [TS]

  possible to see that the true answers [TS]

  there but now they're just still sort of [TS]

  like oh its sources all the way down or [TS]

  you know the the stars in the sky are [TS]

  pinpricks in the fabric and so we follow [TS]

  these elegant solutions and we see these [TS]

  beautiful sort of you know elaborate [TS]

  thought storms and we say this must be [TS]

  true and when we when we apply them to [TS]

  the world and they don't work and they [TS]

  you know they like they utterly fail in [TS]

  a lot of cases to actually describe [TS]

  reality or to be useful we can't abandon [TS]

  them because we because that isn't [TS]

  there's no control group large enough [TS]

  for there's you know there isn't that [TS]

  that arrival at like does this solve the [TS]

  problem absolutely not no it's always a [TS]

  question of does this all problem well [TS]

  we haven't applied it enough times or we [TS]

  haven't we don't have a funding or you [TS]

  know it only works in a vacuum or [TS]

  whatever and and so I was really like [TS]

  chewing on that as I kind of I don't [TS]

  know like a hopefulness that that where [TS]

  we are now which is this like world of [TS]

  total subjectivity in politics and [TS]

  culture where everything is just like [TS]

  your opinion [TS]

  man mm-hmm isn't the end that isn't that [TS]

  or even it could be something where [TS]

  there's near-universal ascent for now [TS]

  about the scientific rigor and validity [TS]

  of a given theory which doesn't mean [TS]

  what everybody thinks it means but you [TS]

  know whether that's gravity or something [TS]

  there you know how the shape of the [TS]

  earth there are still going to be people [TS]

  who have the reasons why they choose to [TS]

  believe that it isn't true or can't be [TS]

  true the earth is sitting in a gravity [TS]

  bag yeah we're like a great great tweet [TS]

  i saw not long ago there are flatter of [TS]

  society people all over the globe I I [TS]

  think it's I do think about this as [TS]

  somebody who's just an observer of all [TS]

  of these things and you know an [TS]

  enthusiast sometimes about some of these [TS]

  topics but I i think there's will have [TS]

  these sort of rough mental models none [TS]

  of which is very complete but yeah well [TS]

  here's one example one example is my [TS]

  computer right now where you know why is [TS]

  my computer work well I don't know why [TS]

  or how my computer works I can tell when [TS]

  it stops working and then I can choose [TS]

  to identify what it is that made it work [TS]

  again I don't know if it was actually [TS]

  unplugging the keyboard the quota fix [TS]

  this I don't think that's it I think [TS]

  that was probably a symptom of a deeper [TS]

  problem so I can I can for the moment be [TS]

  recording this program with you [TS]

  believing that the problem is solved but [TS]

  I don't even know what the problem is [TS]

  I'm not sure if it's solved and I don't [TS]

  know if it will or won't come back again [TS]

  because because who knows that's one [TS]

  kind of model for it is that you know [TS]

  it's it's all again that's a lot like [TS]

  cutting the ends off the roast but with [TS]

  the science stuff for any kind of [TS]

  scholarship in particular in this is an [TS]

  incomplete mental model but I do think [TS]

  of it a little bit like a like a puzzle [TS]

  like I think about when I was a kid my [TS]

  family my mom mainly was putting [TS]

  together this very difficult I think it [TS]

  was over 500 pieces but a very very [TS]

  large puzzle of a coin it was a liberty [TS]

  dollar so that it's more than 500 pieces [TS]

  because I see 1,500 piece puzzles all [TS]

  the time that's toys for kids I know I [TS]

  know and I never saw the appeal [TS]

  personally but you know the thing is to [TS]

  think about that think about making a [TS]

  1000 piece puzzle of a coin it's like a [TS]

  recipe for madness it would be like [TS]

  doing a puzzle of a [TS]

  a brown shot of a pool I mean every [TS]

  piece looks pretty much exactly the same [TS]

  so I mean I mean first you to figure out [TS]

  what the puzzle is that you're trying to [TS]

  solve you wonder if you have all the [TS]

  pieces and then as you go along you [TS]

  start fitting them again and complete [TS]

  but like that's the way I think about a [TS]

  little bit and these two pieces seem to [TS]

  fit together but you may find that they [TS]

  actually fit together with this other [TS]

  piece and that takes time and it never [TS]

  really even takes into account whether [TS]

  you should be solving a puzzle at all [TS]

  but that's that's the thing is like some [TS]

  scientific stuff for some scholarship [TS]

  comes too early sometimes maybe it comes [TS]

  too late sometimes it comes at the you [TS]

  know maybe again maybe like with my [TS]

  computer there's some kind of there's [TS]

  something valid in what they're [TS]

  discussing but it isn't one hundred [TS]

  percent correct accurate for all x in [TS]

  ways that may not be apparent for years [TS]

  but that doesn't mean it's not useful I [TS]

  mean that's how you discover penicillin [TS]

  yeah well I mean right but what we don't [TS]

  remember is the is the like thousands of [TS]

  people that were injected with human [TS]

  feces and died in the search for [TS]

  penicillin alright and ideally as I [TS]

  understand the process which is the [TS]

  process I don't actually understand but [TS]

  part of it is documenting the times it [TS]

  didn't work this is where you get into [TS]

  the file drawer effect where you only [TS]

  publish the results to turn out the way [TS]

  you want it you know to seems like to [TS]

  you really have to have to be replicable [TS]

  and you have to talk about ways that it [TS]

  might not be replicable and you know [TS]

  that that desire to find not the truth [TS]

  with a capital T but like what I can [TS]

  prove for now and document it that's the [TS]

  real scientist the real science is not [TS]

  having some article that you know shows [TS]

  up on public radio it's about that [TS]

  search for what I what I can prove how I [TS]

  think I can prove it and then how that [TS]

  maybe fits into something else but [TS]

  that's a much more humble kind of [TS]

  science well and I think that's exactly [TS]

  what I'm getting at because in the [TS]

  social sciences and politics there is [TS]

  really really really a strong trend and [TS]

  very little incentive to admit when a [TS]

  thing doesn't work because if that's not [TS]

  going to get you that's not going to get [TS]

  you headlines right in what science page [TS]

  of the local paper it [TS]

  so doesn't this is the problem right a [TS]

  theory feels so gratifying when you when [TS]

  you when you feel like it explains [TS]

  everything and to abandon it to abandon [TS]

  aspects of it or it entirely is really [TS]

  destabilizing and it makes you feel [TS]

  awful and and you realize that it isn't [TS]

  everything isn't explained by a by a [TS]

  sort of book or a paragraph in a book [TS]

  and there's no incentive to do it [TS]

  because I'm you know when we started [TS]

  calling them the social sciences we were [TS]

  trying to give them the imprimatur of [TS]

  science because we thought we could use [TS]

  the scientific method to investigate [TS]

  these these sort of soft ideas or hard [TS]

  to prove things that what that are only [TS]

  provable in mass aggregate over hundreds [TS]

  of years or something but we've sort of [TS]

  abandoned the science side of it and [TS]

  it's now just it's become a thing where [TS]

  your conviction versus my conviction and [TS]

  any any any feeling of doubt within [TS]

  yourself or any feeling of doubt within [TS]

  your community where you're like did [TS]

  this work is this working does this is [TS]

  this accurate is really shouted down [TS]

  because it's because it's understood to [TS]

  its kind of under fine tenor [TS]

  revolutionary that's right [TS]

  counter-revolutionary under undermine [TS]

  our our our great struggle and that's [TS]

  the that's the thing the feeling of like [TS]

  oh this isn't this actually isn't it's [TS]

  not that any one particular idea or any [TS]

  any group of ideas is is plaguing me [TS]

  it's more that this isn't a method this [TS]

  isn't a future method this isn't what [TS]

  we'll be doing forever we will again [TS]

  remember [TS]

  that we have to test things and when [TS]

  they don't work we have to have the [TS]

  courage to say they don't work right and [TS]

  that rather than trying to shore up [TS]

  whatever flimsy proof you have that it [TS]

  does work yeah or just say or to make [TS]

  those excuses that it doesn't work [TS]

  because of you know because of all these [TS]

  external factors that we can't control [TS]

  and we need to if we just keep applying [TS]

  our program that doesn't work long [TS]

  enough it will be shown to work after we [TS]

  have changed every other conditions uh [TS]

  and you know that's a pretty good [TS]

  traction in a certain light colored [TS]

  house in DC right now uh well and in and [TS]

  in the left even more or or equally as [TS]

  much now we can we basically we have [TS]

  nicer chicken bones that's what we're [TS]

  doing the same foo do but we think our [TS]

  chicken bones st. you know have a [TS]

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  the line and all the great shows I'm [TS]

  just looking for some relief my dad my [TS]

  imagination I can't I can't put it in [TS]

  this in these stone soups it just you [TS]

  know it just keep swimming to the top [TS]

  and thing we please pluck me back we had [TS]

  a row we had a kind of school related [TS]

  Easter activity this weekend my wife and [TS]

  another parent put together this egg [TS]

  hunt for the kids it was really fun I [TS]

  ended up talking to his buddy of mine [TS]

  I've worked with a lot in the past and [TS]

  you know we are aligned on many many [TS]

  things oh you know who it is it's your [TS]

  member when I interviewed you in my yard [TS]

  and my friend that the glasses was there [TS]

  and he brought his friend who kept [TS]

  talking and you yelled in him uh-huh [TS]

  isn't it fun with the glasses yeah your [TS]

  friend with the glasses he was a very he [TS]

  was a very good help to me he's good [TS]

  again he's good man thorough very [TS]

  professional I thought I daughter's go [TS]

  to school together now hmm so but he we [TS]

  were talking and you know the of course [TS]

  as with any Easter occasion in 2017 [TS]

  eventually you turn to talking about a [TS]

  just everything and but he's so much [TS]

  more on top of the ball like he's like [TS]

  scheduled time to go like make calls and [TS]

  do stuff like I'm so I'm so covered with [TS]

  shame about how much I'm still just [TS]

  sinker going Merc my understand anything [TS]

  I just want to understand things again [TS]

  you gave me the opportunity to pull out [TS]

  two wonderful quotes that are widely [TS]

  known I want to cite these quotes here [TS]

  with credit credited to Helmuth von [TS]

  Moltke no battle plan survives contact [TS]

  with the enemy that's right that's a [TS]

  wonderful right that's a great it's a [TS]

  great quote and I say it all the time [TS]

  and it's it's been adapted to many [TS]

  different as of course you know the [TS]

  computer people they're always getting [TS]

  other people's things as you know but [TS]

  damn it no you no no no documentation [TS]

  survives contact with the user in any of [TS]

  those kinds of things and then the other [TS]

  one from the great classical philosopher [TS]

  Mike Tyson everybody has a plan until [TS]

  they get punched in the mouth in the [TS]

  mouth you know it's funny because it's [TS]

  true you know yeah yep I i I've been [TS]

  I've been chewing on chewing on some [TS]

  ideas I've been I I realized yesterday [TS]

  as I was I was cleaning my house [TS]

  yesterday my house is I've let it go on [TS]

  cleaned I let the yard go on trimmed for [TS]

  a couple of seasons and everything had [TS]

  gone to everything had gone to chaos [TS]

  there were there were receipts from [TS]

  7-eleven where I never go from like 2013 [TS]

  sort of laying around yeah like I need [TS]

  this well and just like how did this but [TS]

  how did this end up here how did why [TS]

  would I put this down on a table and how [TS]

  is it still here yeah what that is that [TS]

  says bad things that's it in like it's [TS]

  not disputable there's nothing where you [TS]

  get you don't get an appeal on this [TS]

  there is as we used to say in military [TS]

  school no excuse sir there is no there's [TS]

  no excuse because the piles speak for [TS]

  themselves they are in chronological [TS]

  order except for the time you must it up [TS]

  a bit trying to find something actually [TS]

  useful I missed all of your kibble yeah [TS]

  there it is but so I spent an entire day [TS]

  let's call it two days I've been working [TS]

  on I've been working on the yard for [TS]

  several weeks but I and I did some [TS]

  things that I'd been planning to do for [TS]

  years like I chop the top out of my ugly [TS]

  apple tree and let it do what it's gonna [TS]

  do let it fair its own you know what I [TS]

  mean like it's apple tree can't hang [TS]

  then it's out of here my mom is very [TS]

  unsentimental about trees unlike other [TS]

  things and I could take I could take a [TS]

  lesson from her but this tree I was just [TS]

  like you know what I've hated the top of [TS]

  you for a long time and you're gone but [TS]

  that's been over the past couple of [TS]

  weeks but the last two days I decided I [TS]

  was going to clean the house I was going [TS]

  to do a deep deep dive and I realized [TS]

  that I could work on a project in the [TS]

  house for a sustained hour before I [TS]

  needed a 20 minute vacation mm-hmm and [TS]

  I'd never because I I'd never like I'd [TS]

  never seen it in action this way because [TS]

  I have these stupid stupid stupid little [TS]

  games on my phone that are just so [TS]

  stupid and I think they're so getting to [TS]

  you and some monkey part of my brain is [TS]

  just like well got 20 minutes to kill [TS]

  yeah might as well go bleep on my so I [TS]

  worked all I work from 8am to 8 p.m. [TS]

  yesterday cleaning the house and I took [TS]

  six 20-minute breaks to go boopy boopy [TS]

  boopy boopy but I worked diligently the [TS]

  rest of the time that's still better [TS]

  than most people on a given day I would [TS]

  postulate I am and way better than I [TS]

  normally do yeah but what was [TS]

  interesting was that I didn't I didn't [TS]

  chastise myself for the 20-minute breaks [TS]

  because the hour I'd gotten a lot done [TS]

  and so I was like I'm gonna take a [TS]

  little break and I play the thing until [TS]

  I would hit that point where my brain [TS]

  had turned to mush there wasn't anything [TS]

  else here to find [TS]

  and then I went back and I it really was [TS]

  a a kind of workflow and I wonder if [TS]

  there isn't something there for me to [TS]

  mine you know you're saying there's no [TS]

  reason you can't extend that to your [TS]

  indoor sudo digital life well I'm 22 [TS]

  everything to writing songs like work on [TS]

  it for an hour and then go take 20 [TS]

  minutes where you do this like where you [TS]

  play minesweeper and then back at it [TS]

  instead of and recognize that the [TS]

  minesweeper playing is also part of the [TS]

  work day it's part of the it's it's an [TS]

  integral part of the hour um here's the [TS]

  one with you yeah oh I'm dying well in [TS]

  the days when I was considered by some [TS]

  to be a Productivity guru I wrote about [TS]

  this and I called it the procrastination [TS]

  dash which is just the idea this is I've [TS]

  since heard this called things like the [TS]

  Pomodoro Technique sure whatever but the [TS]

  basic idea was of my idea was if there's [TS]

  something you've been putting off [TS]

  remember there's light at the end of the [TS]

  tunnel and this could go for anything [TS]

  doesn't have to be something you're [TS]

  procrastinating but like the idea is you [TS]

  spend n minutes working on the thing and [TS]

  then no matter what you stop at the end [TS]

  of those arbitrary and minutes I would [TS]

  say 20 minutes at the end of that 20 [TS]

  minutes you take a five-minute break or [TS]

  an ax minute break you decide what the [TS]

  you know the end and the exes but the [TS]

  idea is you build in that like I know [TS]

  I'm only going to have to do this thing [TS]

  for so long and then I'm going to go do [TS]

  this other thing that maybe it's a thing [TS]

  I like or maybe it's a thing that's [TS]

  different but like you know if you try [TS]

  to organize instead of saying I'm going [TS]

  to spend three hours on this if he [TS]

  instead you say I'm going to spend the [TS]

  this number of these 20 minutes cycles [TS]

  on this I think that's I think that's a [TS]

  good way to kind of bang on your brain a [TS]

  little bit and to make it make it [TS]

  totally doable bang on the brain because [TS]

  at least helps you get bang on the brain [TS]

  with a baseball breakup i ended up a [TS]

  yeah you at least you know the the thing [TS]

  is the trick inside the trick the double [TS]

  turns out is that it gets you to work on [TS]

  something you've been procrastinating [TS]

  about putting off for whatever reason [TS]

  because you at least get started the [TS]

  hardest part of anything is getting [TS]

  started and that's all your brain needs [TS]

  to know I'm not going to die if I get [TS]

  started on this the hardest part of [TS]

  breaking up is folgers in your cup right [TS]

  that's the worst part worst part of [TS]

  breaking up is folgers in your cup we've [TS]

  replaced John's Folgers crystals with a [TS]

  Minecraft like game hmm like a new word [TS]

  game I like I should I shouldn't tell [TS]

  you about it well no I would see a word [TS]

  game would be a massive improvement over [TS]

  these like basically as Chris Leak grip [TS]

  games well as Chris camellia once once [TS]

  put it putting away the dishes he's like [TS]

  all these games that you play are just [TS]

  putting away the dishes like I hate [TS]

  really good dishes why would i play one [TS]

  of these games that's just putting away [TS]

  the dishes Oh God and I'm just like [TS]

  putting away anyway putting those issues [TS]

  uh what pop but I've so a word game at [TS]

  least would be using like some other [TS]

  part of so the part of my brain that [TS]

  recognizes letters yeah yeah what is it [TS]

  you really want to know well yes it's [TS]

  called type shift time should one word [TS]

  and type shift you you get this little [TS]

  imagine like a like a little clicky [TS]

  combination lock on a suitcase where you [TS]

  got the little tourney things to fail so [TS]

  basically these letters drop-down and [TS]

  there's several letters in each of [TS]

  however many vertical rows and you move [TS]

  them around to create words and you try [TS]

  and create as many words as you can in a [TS]

  short period of time I'm not really [TS]

  selling it very well but it's a there's [TS]

  several different versions of it inside [TS]

  of the game and it's really fun it's not [TS]

  horribly addictive it's not like that [TS]

  terrible threes game but it is really [TS]

  enjoyable all right well I'll give it a [TS]

  try i usually those games that are like [TS]

  racing with somebody else to come up [TS]

  with many words as you can with four [TS]

  letters hmm aye aye aye mmm it's like [TS]

  people say to me all the time you should [TS]

  come join our trivia game our trivia [TS]

  team our pub trivia team pub trivia tea [TS]

  and I'm like no thank you that just I [TS]

  mean so stressful it does to sit there [TS]

  and be like Oh what was the name of the [TS]

  second Bananarama LP guy guy guy then [TS]

  somebody else has it and you're just [TS]

  like fuck yeah I don't want that I don't [TS]

  want that it right no no no no you don't [TS]

  want that no no no no no I just found [TS]

  I'm sitting here on the table I I was [TS]

  cleaning I was cleaning up I've been [TS]

  moving a lot of stuff to my office [TS]

  moving stuff that I realized doesn't [TS]

  belong in my house shouting office that [TS]

  that causes an unusual mode of thinking [TS]

  I've it really don't you I'm seriously [TS]

  it's a novel way of having to think [TS]

  about your life and how it gets [TS]

  segmented well I mean not just you but [TS]

  anybody else who happens to be involved [TS]

  in your house like how it affects them [TS]

  like this is really need to be here yeah [TS]

  right right like uh like I so I like I [TS]

  like these six boxes of comic books to [TS]

  be at the house but nobody else really [TS]

  needs that yeah I don't really need that [TS]

  no no I my dad went through a long long [TS]

  phase throughout the late 70s thought no [TS]

  no I'm sorry throughout the from about [TS]

  73 if if my research indicates correctly [TS]

  from about 73 to probably 83 my dad fell [TS]

  victim to the disease the mental [TS]

  disorder of thinking that slides were [TS]

  better than Prince all right have we [TS]

  talked about this before he might have [TS]

  been all inherit again well slide slide [TS]

  you get out you get a really [TS]

  high-quality image you get a [TS]

  high-quality image that you can only see [TS]

  projected against the wall of your [TS]

  living room or one of those cool little [TS]

  dinguses we were you stick it into [TS]

  little viewer yeah but who wants to look [TS]

  at pictures that way nobody mean or [TS]

  nobody any more well and who wants to [TS]

  look at the metal right and so my dad [TS]

  took my dad took twenty thousand [TS]

  pictures on slides and then at some [TS]

  point along the way he felt like he [TS]

  needed to have those slides ready to [TS]

  view and so he started buying slide [TS]

  reels the the circular can sort of [TS]

  carousels that's right the like you're [TS]

  like it's a machine gun and he bought I [TS]

  don't know 25 carousels and loaded them [TS]

  with slides and then put them back in [TS]

  the box and I'm sure never looked at [TS]

  them again yeah and so now I inherited [TS]

  25 full carousels whenever we have the [TS]

  same box in our we have a giant giant [TS]

  box of my father-in-law slides in cream [TS]

  sauce yeah [TS]

  was a it was like a weird it was like [TS]

  going to asked it was a it was a [TS]

  collective like what well yeah what do [TS]

  they call that a like a delusion er yeah [TS]

  hysteria or something out and so I have [TS]

  all these slides and I have them here at [TS]

  the house right because pictures belong [TS]

  at the house and then I realized these [TS]

  pictures do not belong at the house [TS]

  these pictures belong at the office and [TS]

  one day and the thing about them is so [TS]

  many of them were like uh well they're [TS]

  constructing the pipeline and my dad got [TS]

  hired by a pipeline service company to [TS]

  provide the framework for like high [TS]

  school equivalency degrees for the guys [TS]

  who were welding the pipe and so my dad [TS]

  goes up he had this kind of thing going [TS]

  on all the time my dad started a [TS]

  university at one point and so he went [TS]

  up uh he went up to the pipeline as it [TS]

  was being built like early 70s and in [TS]

  the style that he had he had his canon [TS]

  ae-1 and he just see seemingly just [TS]

  pointed the camera randomly without [TS]

  looking through them I hold this that's [TS]

  back when you had to kind of tweak a lot [TS]

  of stuff to get a good photo ya know if [TS]

  it was a good photo until you got it [TS]

  developed that's right and so they're [TS]

  all these pictures of light well there's [TS]

  a dirt parking lot full of pipe and [TS]

  there's the back end of a truck and the [TS]

  door of a mobile home oh boy and [TS]

  thinking about this huh and there's the [TS]

  coffee maker inside the mobile home it's [TS]

  very dark it's very dark in there [TS]

  because he didn't adjust the f stops uh [TS]

  so there's the coffee maker I think I [TS]

  can make it out and then there's like [TS]

  three guys standing around in sunglasses [TS]

  that note that he didn't know let alone [TS]

  me today so an AI that did a better job [TS]

  of this well and I know so but that but [TS]

  my disease his disease was that my [TS]

  disease is this is this the disease of [TS]

  here is an envelope of pictures of [TS]

  people you never knew [TS]

  that's your legacy you you have your [TS]

  good steward of that but one day like [TS]

  there aren't that many pictures of the [TS]

  pipeline being built even poorly taken I [TS]

  mean I guess there are probably millions [TS]

  of pictures of the pipeline being built [TS]

  but there aren't pictures of the [TS]

  pipeline being built that are so in [TS]

  artfully done and maybe there's someone [TS]

  out there that's like that's the only [TS]

  extant picture of that particular brand [TS]

  of coffee maker all right no one ever [TS]

  thought to take that picture my dad died [TS]

  a week after that and it's the only [TS]

  photo of him we have from that time yeah [TS]

  that's right okay and is that is that [TS]

  part part of the thinking is like what [TS]

  if this is precious in a way that is not [TS]

  clear from the seemingly useless [TS]

  low-quality nature of it as I understand [TS]

  it yeah like what are you what is this [TS]

  Abby's favorite thing and I just don't [TS]

  know it in the background on one of [TS]

  these photos there's a mound and it [TS]

  turns out 50 years from now someone [TS]

  discovers that that mound is actually an [TS]

  Alaskan pyramid doll yeah and [TS]

  everybody's like wow and suddenly [TS]

  pictures of that Alaskan pyramid [TS]

  accidentally taken in the background of [TS]

  the alyeska pipeline construction [TS]

  company they're like they're crucial [TS]

  evidence I don't it's not like and we [TS]

  commissioned in a court with your [TS]

  carousels clickety-clack your honor your [TS]

  honor it supports out of order and you [TS]

  can't handle the truth I who are you sir [TS]

  what what I need to do is set this set a [TS]

  slide projector up and sit in my [TS]

  darkened office and watch these slides [TS]

  and take the few out that mean anything [TS]

  but then you have four slides with no [TS]

  context that at some point in your life [TS]

  you thought meant something and you took [TS]

  them out of their context and then [TS]

  forever forever after they are rootless [TS]

  meaning just floating nothing you're the [TS]

  memories [TS]

  Yeah right and then the rest of the [TS]

  slides are what what are they they're [TS]

  just like camp fire starters or you send [TS]

  them to Goodwill and some a deist buys [TS]

  them like I keep imagining that they're [TS]

  artists out there mm-hmm and I don't [TS]

  even know if there are but there used to [TS]

  be artists out there that would go [TS]

  thrift stores and buy old photographs [TS]

  until there was such a glut of old [TS]

  photographs that whoever those artists [TS]

  were they did all their art there's [TS]

  nobody out there making art of old [TS]

  peoples you know prom photos and all [TS]

  those websites they're like that is if [TS]

  only I had more photos of a mobile home [TS]

  door I have a full concept of these odds [TS]

  that I'm making from Zesco pipeline call [TS]

  it pour tous and I and so what are they [TS]

  yeah right collective memory but they're [TS]

  not useful we have you know we have [TS]

  every like peggy sue got married is all [TS]

  we need to know about the 50s why do I [TS]

  need what is essentially a 500-person [TS]

  haircut like repositories that's all it [TS]

  is just like well here's some haircuts [TS]

  right this guy had a different haircut [TS]

  than that guy like here they are not in [TS]

  the five-person what is it if I person [TS]

  found a person haircut or a repository [TS]

  sorry save it as a photos of the [TS]

  haircuts or you're saving the clipped [TS]

  hair no I don't have access to their [TS]

  hair but about one you know one day [TS]

  people be like now hot I know that I [TS]

  know how like the fonz were here but I [TS]

  secular guy wear his hair right but but [TS]

  if you wanted to do that you'd go to the [TS]

  library or the thrift store and buy all [TS]

  the yearbooks and you'd have them all [TS]

  there in a book these are all basically [TS]

  yearbook photos of the van wert high [TS]

  school class of nineteen fifty why do [TS]

  you need those there's a year for those [TS]

  anyway the only reason to keep them is [TS]

  that you're an artist or that you know [TS]

  an artist or that you believe there are [TS]

  artists still who do collage work [TS]

  collage artists sure multimedia your [TS]

  problem out of business when you sort [TS]

  those slides who knows what you're doing [TS]

  to the the collage industry [TS]

  that's right that's right it's hard you [TS]

  know and you it'sit's you know when I've [TS]

  tried to do cleanups in the past I found [TS]

  a lot of resistance to getting started I [TS]

  found it very painful at first but the [TS]

  feeling I inevitably almost inevitable [TS]

  inevitably get to is oh my god I really [TS]

  probably could have just thrown almost [TS]

  all of this away sight unseen but I [TS]

  didn't you know how you get sorted it [TS]

  got you know triaged but like you know [TS]

  when you're done you have a lot less [TS]

  stuff than you started with and you [TS]

  sometimes I feel a quickening or I'm [TS]

  like oh god give me more now I want to [TS]

  especially player got it called a holler [TS]

  you know dump guy or something like that [TS]

  like I really want this to be worth the [TS]

  money and the time I want to fill that [TS]

  man's white truck with Kipple well and [TS]

  that happened to me yesterday I got a [TS]

  big box and I was like all this stuff's [TS]

  going to the office and I started [TS]

  throwing shoeboxes full of wall warts [TS]

  and quarter into hable con and old [TS]

  guitar picks and and weird like ah and [TS]

  I'm throwing it all in this box and if [TS]

  it had been a dumpster I would have been [TS]

  fine hmm like if it had been a dumpster [TS]

  I never would have thought of these [TS]

  things again but as it is i'm going to [TS]

  take it to my office and I'm gonna go [TS]

  through i'm gonna put all the quarter [TS]

  inch cables and this and i put all the [TS]

  broken pics in that and and it should [TS]

  have just been it could have been a hole [TS]

  in the earth and I should remember that [TS]

  I should remember that that you know as [TS]

  soon as you start hucking it into that [TS]

  guy's white truck just this fill that [TS]

  truck up you know like that's best gift [TS]

  you can give yourself if you got the [TS]

  space to have it there for a few days is [TS]

  rent yourself a three yard dumpster oh [TS]

  good well I've been involved without [TS]

  saying too much I've been involved in [TS]

  things that involved having to go [TS]

  through a lot of things very quickly in [TS]

  a difficult way and I will just say that [TS]

  my one bulwark against madness was the [TS]

  ability to whip something through the [TS]

  air toward a very very large target and [TS]

  know that I wouldn't look at it again [TS]

  and you know it's bad about you don't be [TS]

  precious you know to disassemble [TS]

  anything you just draw it into the three [TS]

  yard dumpster and it goes away but it's [TS]

  there for a few days in case oh nice [TS]

  three yard dumpster I'm looking at some [TS]

  here these are nice you actually buy one [TS]

  of these you on you got the flip up top [TS]

  you probably got a dual flip up top but [TS]

  I'm just get a little door you can go in [TS]

  through the little door if you're not [TS]

  going there and like you have lunch or [TS]

  something [TS]

  but I I think that's a big difference I [TS]

  mean I'm I don't mean to be accidentally [TS]

  reverting to my former retired career [TS]

  but like I think there's a big [TS]

  difference if you if you go into a [TS]

  situation where you need to clean stuff [TS]

  out and you brought like a single [TS]

  Chinese food takeout bag that the [TS]

  results are going to be very different [TS]

  than if you had brought a 13 gallon [TS]

  hefty bag will be very different than if [TS]

  you had brought a giant contractor bag [TS]

  will be very different here's a big one [TS]

  contractor bag in a big hefty like clean [TS]

  up after a party size because you don't [TS]

  have to you your goal is just fill I [TS]

  want to see as many black contractor [TS]

  bags at the end of the day as possible [TS]

  mm-hmm you know I mean setting aside [TS]

  being green and stuff whatever that's [TS]

  fine but like if you've really got to do [TS]

  that you don't want to feel constrained [TS]

  by like which one should I put this in [TS]

  is this the USB cables i save which is [TS]

  the USB cable they donate i somehow in [TS]

  here and i thought it might have come [TS]

  from you there was a brand new mostly [TS]

  unused or i guess that's the definition [TS]

  of brand-new that was a redundancy no [TS]

  one of those plug your computer in [TS]

  direct to the modem with a cable what is [TS]

  that called hot cable or me talking [TS]

  about a hot cable and pancake table yeah [TS]

  if your cabling you want to kick it [TS]

  table cable yeah right so it was a hot [TS]

  cable you don't throw that out that's [TS]

  brand new and unused that is wasteful [TS]

  200 feet long what Oh Ethan net cable [TS]

  yeah yeah cuz one time you need to run [TS]

  ethernet way way way up to like the [TS]

  second floor right but this was 200 feet [TS]

  this could go over to my neighbor's [TS]

  house sure and giving player could make [TS]

  a little house out of it yeah and I was [TS]

  like what the how would I ever like this [TS]

  is something that you know that [TS]

  sometimes you know one of the great [TS]

  things about you Merlin is that [TS]

  sometimes you're just like oh that's a [TS]

  good idea and you push it you push the [TS]

  button on amazon and it shows up at my [TS]

  house king yeah and i'm like wow this [TS]

  thing you know it's like cabled like a [TS]

  like an anchor chain on a ship [TS]

  and I was like what am I going to do [TS]

  this it's like heavy to pick up and but [TS]

  it it was unused and it seemed eminently [TS]

  useful what if I want a hot cable into [TS]

  something and then I realized it needs [TS]

  to go to the it means to go to Goodwill [TS]

  somebody is going to want to run [TS]

  internet to their friend's house and [TS]

  this is the thing they're going to [TS]

  string it up through the trees like [TS]

  Christmas lights mm-hmm and it's gonna [TS]

  bring internet to the world could be [TS]

  there could be a collage artist who's [TS]

  recently decided to go digital and need [TS]

  a way to get it after their tree house [TS]

  where they like to put their collages [TS]

  together you're affording that the one [TS]

  thing I was worried about is if I had [TS]

  used it was my IP address in there still [TS]

  a lot of your data is probably still in [TS]

  that pipe yeah should I have deleted it [TS]

  or you want to reset the firmware on it [TS]

  and reflash it right anyone it like a [TS]

  tooth these squeeze it real hard to get [TS]

  the last little bits up because a lot of [TS]

  the special characters at that point [TS]

  will be out but a lot of the lowercase [TS]

  letters and numbers will still be in [TS]

  there you don't want them I know we're [TS]

  all very worried about hackers and [TS]

  hacking hacking hacker hacker Stan [TS]

  mm-hmm and and I know the hackers for [TS]

  macro standard like some of them are the [TS]

  worst they create all those BOTS they [TS]

  call it and so I'm sure I was just [TS]

  worried like about all this stuff all [TS]

  these USB cables and wall warts and [TS]

  stuff whether there's like oh yeah I [TS]

  know in this apparently there's so much [TS]

  stuff I need to throw out I flick need [TS]

  to go like full-on mr. robot and like [TS]

  drill through old hard drives and throw [TS]

  it into a crematorium or something [TS]

  mm-hmm that's so mr. robot oh my god [TS]

  yeah I right up here I I have two mini [TS]

  well here's the other thing i bought at [TS]

  your recommendation many years ago yeah [TS]

  i like how much this comes back to me [TS]

  well this is sense where since we're on [TS]

  the opportunity bring it up no since [TS]

  we're on a run where you're revisiting [TS]

  your your career as a former executive [TS]

  sales person hello uh-uh-uh who talked [TS]

  into his shoe phone that's fine i was [TS]

  Merlin man you remember that I figured [TS]

  we'd go all the way back to when I [TS]

  bought one of those tiny little video [TS]

  cameras that was called a flip [TS]

  oh great cameras I love my flip camera I [TS]

  had three of them I loved him well yeah [TS]

  well yeah right and so I bought one cuz [TS]

  I was like clip 1 i'm joining the flip [TS]

  revolution hosted that most of the best [TS]

  video we have of my daughter was with [TS]

  the flip phone cuz it was there was zero [TS]

  resistance he would just whip it out and [TS]

  hit the button that's all there was it's [TS]

  even easier than with an iphone [TS]

  certainly not as good video but like one [TS]

  night we this is really lame but one [TS]

  night [TS]

  night [TS]

  it occurred to me that my daughter will [TS]

  not always be washed in a bucket for the [TS]

  rest of her life and when she was an [TS]

  infant we shot the entire bath all the [TS]

  way up to getting her ready for bedtime [TS]

  and i'm so glad I've got it oh yeah yeah [TS]

  I know but that but I would have done [TS]

  that if I had to go well let me go get [TS]

  the handycam and make sure it doesn't [TS]

  have days of our lives on it but then [TS]

  something happened just as I was getting [TS]

  into my flip as I got something [TS]

  something in the mail some the [TS]

  registered letter that was like we're no [TS]

  longer supporting the flip platform and [TS]

  then it always did letter about that [TS]

  yeah and then it all went to it all went [TS]

  poof in a day like it couldn't there [TS]

  wasn't what was it the hot plug didn't [TS]

  work anymore no idea it's not be stopped [TS]

  pancaking under relevant environmental [TS]

  resources so you plug it in and it would [TS]

  just say air or air or air or that's [TS]

  that's a goddamn shame mine are still [TS]

  sitting there in the closet I want I had [TS]

  one and then I got the upgraded one one [TS]

  of them broke about another so I've got [TS]

  a total of three and III think you can [TS]

  still pop it in and get your stuff off [TS]

  it I think really yeah that you still [TS]

  got you still got a computer that has a [TS]

  USB port on it so you'll be good to [TS]

  guess yes I do boy you know that you're [TS]

  gonna love the next time you need to get [TS]

  a Mac are you post USB I have a laptop [TS]

  that has a headphone jack and exactly [TS]

  one port on it so but it's not it's not [TS]

  a port that I've ever used in my life so [TS]

  it's an entire new world of dongles for [TS]

  me and what kind of port isn't it's [TS]

  called a USB see oh and approximately [TS]

  just if you eyeballed it it would look [TS]

  pretty much like the what's called [TS]

  lightning cable for your phones about [TS]

  that size but it's not that size hmm and [TS]

  so when you say dongles what how do you [TS]

  get stuff on a dongle well that means [TS]

  that like you know if you're like most [TS]

  of the planet and you've got lots of [TS]

  stuff that's the kind of classic USB [TS]

  little boxy shape like you need the most [TS]

  basic one I've got one where I've this [TS]

  is really boring but you plug in the [TS]

  dingus I've got a thing that's a little [TS]

  hub so you put a USB hub the mail guy [TS]

  goes into your math [TS]

  and then you use a cord cable to power [TS]

  that device and that gives you three [TS]

  like USB 3 i'm picturing this and it's [TS]

  box making me so hot mmhmm yeah but no [TS]

  but if you want to have Ethernet know [TS]

  who has ethernet anymore why would [TS]

  anybody need that you want to don't USB [TS]

  thumb drives what yeah you need [TS]

  something like that no no you don't need [TS]

  that stuff so how long will we be able [TS]

  to traffic in vintage computers until [TS]

  they no longer work um you know there's [TS]

  always going to be people who are [TS]

  interested in old computers but unless [TS]

  it's in really good condition sort of [TS]

  like comic books like nobody nobody [TS]

  wants a busted-ass comic book but I mean [TS]

  if I went if I went on the internet [TS]

  right now and i bought a very good [TS]

  quality high quality computer from just [TS]

  the most recent future where it still [TS]

  had ports would i be able to you would [TS]

  that be useful to me how long how long [TS]

  would it do you say yeah how long i mean [TS]

  i'm considering getting a getting a [TS]

  desktop but i don't want to go all the [TS]

  way in right this thing where the [TS]

  desktop is just like a it's just like a [TS]

  cue ball that pulses that i know i [TS]

  understand you don't want that you don't [TS]

  like a Logan's Run computer well I would [TS]

  be remiss I will be I will be [TS]

  reprimanded via text message by John [TS]

  Cirque you see if I don't advise you [TS]

  that yes I can help you with this this [TS]

  is not the perfect time to do that but [TS]

  it won't will become soon but if it's a [TS]

  sound like you're talking about a [TS]

  desktop with a laptop in some ways the [TS]

  the thing that's inevitably going to go [TS]

  is the battery because the battery can [TS]

  only do so many charges and and the [TS]

  capacity goes down and down much like [TS]

  the human mind what would still be [TS]

  useful if you buy oh you bought a [TS]

  typical mac laptop today you will pretty [TS]

  definitely it's like buying a Toyota [TS]

  like it's not fancy but it'll be fine [TS]

  you know in Toyota runs for 300,000 [TS]

  miles well yeah it's honestly like I my [TS]

  last laptop which I finally retired I [TS]

  bought in 2010 which is like a million [TS]

  years ago in laptop years but if you [TS]

  want if you bought a laptop today and [TS]

  it's not the greatest time to buy land [TS]

  it's not a good time to buy anything but [TS]

  an ipad right now so if you did do that [TS]

  and you know the one I got my laptop was [TS]

  very inexpensive as laptops go well do [TS]

  you know but you don't want that it's [TS]

  only got one port [TS]

  but if you wanted a laptop you could get [TS]

  like a refurbished macbook pro that [TS]

  still got a lot of miles on the tires [TS]

  and it's not as costly as long as a [TS]

  computer with a quarter inch in yep [TS]

  quarter inch cable if you get a high of [TS]

  a hot pan cake it you want to be able to [TS]

  have you in a flapjack your uh your [TS]

  bandwidth mm-hmm you would have a [TS]

  quarter inch cable I want to I want a [TS]

  three quarter three and a quarter inch [TS]

  floppy drive oh I still sure you much [TS]

  for your work I still have a lot of [TS]

  floppies that have stuff on them l me [TS]

  too i'm not sure what is on the floppies [TS]

  and it might be like i had this terrible [TS]

  i had this terrible thing when my dad [TS]

  was moving out of his his final [TS]

  apartment my siblings were all there all [TS]

  my useless siblings and and and my very [TS]

  useful sister was not there that it was [TS]

  just me and the useless ones yeah and we [TS]

  were going through his house there like [TS]

  alice is garbage and he had some it [TS]

  wasn't even a dell it was like a pattern [TS]

  are compounding or some yanika gateway a [TS]

  gateway it was some kind of pc that he [TS]

  used to sit and you know hunt and peck [TS]

  emails to me that were like John I hope [TS]

  you're fine you know um fuck you love [TS]

  dad and so he was the shooter a lot [TS]

  stronger when the center that here was [TS]

  this computer and I was like get that [TS]

  out of here that nobody's ever gonna use [TS]

  that and then like six years later i SAT [TS]

  up in bed in the middle of the night in [TS]

  a cold sweat and I was like oh what if [TS]

  he was secretly writing his memoirs oh [TS]

  Jesus you don't need that in your head [TS]

  IVF that whole time he had been secretly [TS]

  tapping away and then in 72 i bought the [TS]

  pair of plaid pants that i would wear to [TS]

  court every time for the next 14 years [TS]

  has a lot of theoretical responsibility [TS]

  John yep yep so I so I had to say like [TS]

  well I [TS]

  he had been doing that it would have [TS]

  been very hard to it would have been [TS]

  unreadable because he didn't know how to [TS]

  type so good all right good off your [TS]

  plate vaya con Dios intimate are the [TS]

  three yard dumpsters I don't like things [TS]

  I wrote and things that I drew this is [TS]

  before they invented minna de internet [TS]

  pornography I mean for the you know men [TS]

  of the Internet really so you were [TS]

  drawing your drawing naked picture yes [TS]

  it there in Mac Paint Megan Megan dicks [TS]

  I I actually thought about that the [TS]

  other day there was a time in I don't [TS]

  know eighth grade maybe where I SAT and [TS]

  drew dirty pictures sure I I made some [TS]

  very anatomically incorrect vaginas in [TS]

  my dad and I had a junt it looked like [TS]

  it looked like somebody dropped a mango [TS]

  I have these dirty pictures that I drew [TS]

  of like people having sex as I imagined [TS]

  it sure and I used to hide them I would [TS]

  roll the dirty pictures up that I had [TS]

  drawn into a lamp I hid them inside a [TS]

  lamp that's good spy craft yeah yeah [TS]

  yeah who's gonna look inside the lamp no [TS]

  one and the lamps of that family of lamp [TS]

  have stayed with me unto the present day [TS]

  and I was walking through the house and [TS]

  I looked at all I looked at one of these [TS]

  lamps and I was like wait a minute no [TS]

  that's the lamp that I hid the dirty [TS]

  pictures oh no but I didn't open it [TS]

  mm-hmm I looked at it and I was like [TS]

  legal if there if I if there are [TS]

  long-lost dirty pictures in that lamp [TS]

  and then I just walked yeah i just [TS]

  walked now just like you should at least [TS]

  document it's sort of like that that [TS]

  Nicolas Cage movie where they find you [TS]

  know the the what is it the declaration [TS]

  of independence has a treasure map on it [TS]

  Oh shouldn't you leave a clue say here's [TS]

  the places to look for my hand-drawn [TS]

  pornography I mean this is part of your [TS]

  legacy make it easy for others i'm [TS]

  wondering i mean if i if i pulled it out [TS]

  i would probably want to take pictures [TS]

  of it and put it on [TS]

  instagram and then those who get flagged [TS]

  i might get banned no ban hammer you can [TS]

  yeah yeah and there's lot in pencil too [TS]

  so I don't know they're degrading every [TS]

  day I guess I guess they're on notebook [TS]

  paper in pencil oh god I cannot I cannot [TS]

  remember I one of the first things that [TS]

  ever happened when I turned on my IBM [TS]

  64k pc with dual disc drives and booted [TS]

  up word star and started to learn how to [TS]

  use word star you learn all the hot key [TS]

  commands or though what were they they [TS]

  weren't hot key they were like they were [TS]

  the commands you did in basic right not [TS]

  sure that would give you italics or your [TS]

  what capital letters even um but so I'm [TS]

  sitting there in basehor and the thing [TS]

  is my mom got me this computer she [TS]

  worked in computers and she was like [TS]

  this will help you with your homework [TS]

  because back then they were selling [TS]

  these 64k computers like manage your [TS]

  finances with our new financial med [TS]

  which is still how they're selling [TS]

  computers let me on yeah true nobody [TS]

  does it nobody manages their finances [TS]

  let's just say full stop nobody manages [TS]

  their finances at all it's like cutting [TS]

  the ends off the roast it's little talk [TS]

  about nobody does it nobody does mm-hmm [TS]

  but I don't search s book give me a [TS]

  break who did that once your checkbook [TS]

  what are you a Boeing engineer yeah come [TS]

  on they get this guy over here I hadn't [TS]

  i balanced the checkbook since uh since [TS]

  nevermind was out I I got it I got a [TS]

  message on facebook the other day from a [TS]

  gal that I had not thought of in a long [TS]

  long time who was married to a friend of [TS]

  mine and it was not a private message it [TS]

  was just a post on my page shot on your [TS]

  wall Jon on my wall this stuff walls on [TS]

  facebook I'm not sure I go there once a [TS]

  week but there's a post on my wall and [TS]

  it said hey John I found these old tapes [TS]

  in some guy was clearing out his [TS]

  basement so he didn't say some guy he [TS]

  said Chris was cleaning out his basement [TS]

  and he found these tapes because he's [TS]

  moving to Uzbekistan and he brought them [TS]

  by my house and I have them [TS]

  and I I still have an a damn machine [TS]

  that I dug up out of the basement and I [TS]

  listened to the tapes and I think you [TS]

  would like them I don't know how to use [TS]

  email all right and what did he say I [TS]

  don't know so he was writing from his [TS]

  wife's account soon and he said call me [TS]

  and he just put his phone number out [TS]

  there on my page 44 God and everybody to [TS]

  see and this guy is a is a fellow like a [TS]

  like a maybe a senior fellow or some [TS]

  kind of fellow an associate fellow at [TS]

  bowen like he sits at Boeing all day in [TS]

  designs he thinks my thoughts hyperspace [TS]

  airplanes and stuff and he doesn't know [TS]

  how to communicate with me anyway other [TS]

  than by using his wife's facebook [TS]

  account to post on my wall and put his [TS]

  phone number there what like he he's [TS]

  like I don't know how to text I don't [TS]

  know how to private message I don't know [TS]

  how to do any of these things like he [TS]

  works deeply embedded in technology as [TS]

  an engineer says his wife is his like [TS]

  tech rabbi he whoa that's sick of [TS]

  interesting because he's siloed over [TS]

  here in this crazy autocad world and he [TS]

  never ever ever did the like internet [TS]

  thing but i mean on the this is a little [TS]

  flimsy but it feels like a veteran auto [TS]

  mechanic who doesn't know how to drive [TS]

  mm-hmm you know well you know he doesn't [TS]

  he lives across the street from the plan [TS]

  he never needed to learn how to drive [TS]

  that's good for you I mean that we think [TS]

  of the internet as being computers and [TS]

  science but you remember that moment in [TS]

  1994 I mean I remember when my friend [TS]

  Phil Ellis was like I'm on the internet [TS]

  we were like what's that he said well [TS]

  watch okay I'm gonna send this myth this [TS]

  message to a guy in Georgia and when we [TS]

  come back here in six hours that'll be a [TS]

  reply from him and we were like no get [TS]

  out of here and we all stood around and [TS]

  watch these two guys have this super [TS]

  boring converse [TS]

  that laughs you know over the course of [TS]

  weeks it was like that's amazing but but [TS]

  my friend Ian did not find it that [TS]

  amazing and so didn't pursue it and I [TS]

  think probably within Boeing there's [TS]

  your even dis incentivized to log on to [TS]

  the outside world from inside your ear [TS]

  secrétaire point that's interesting [TS]

  yeah okay like you're in the skiff right [TS]

  yeah you're in the skiff yeah you're in [TS]

  there with your you're with your [TS]

  building blocks and you're building [TS]

  super space aircraft button if you need [TS]

  to i mean i bet you those guys still [TS]

  wheel a cart down to the library mm-hmm [TS]

  like the boeing library may pull big [TS]

  dusty tomes off the wall and what they [TS]

  do I hope they do that's a nice image [TS]

  there are people there that worked at [TS]

  Boeing for 50 years from a time when [TS]

  they were building airplanes out of [TS]

  balsa wood well all by way of saying [TS]

  when I first SAT the tapes before he [TS]

  goes to was it was Becca Stan well so [TS]

  though this is the other thing this guy [TS]

  Chris that he's talking about Oh Chris [TS]

  found these tapes and he brought him [TS]

  over I'm like Chris who are you talking [TS]

  about Ian I haven't talked to you in 20 [TS]

  years hydro Chris's mm-hmm and then i [TS]

  SAT and thought and I was like a dad [TS]

  tapes a tad tapes Chris Chris ah chris [TS]

  is the guy with the rooster and the El [TS]

  Camino you're kidding Chris was rooster [TS]

  El Camino dude who has the a dat tapes [TS]

  right in his basement for all this time [TS]

  starting together ever since rooster El [TS]

  Camino days yeah and Ian in talks about [TS]

  him like he's somebody that he and I [TS]

  were just chatting about I'm the only [TS]

  person who doesn't remember yet let [TS]

  alone talk to everyone they ever knew [TS]

  cuz I was like oh yeah an old Chris I'm [TS]

  like what what Chris when who like I [TS]

  feel like yes you and I have met but [TS]

  whoo-hoo and you still talk and like [TS]

  what do you get wings it's like I feel [TS]

  so out of the loop well yeah and IAM [TS]

  doesn't even know how to use computers [TS]

  or his own phone how is he still in [TS]

  touch [TS]

  with Chris like Chris el camino del [TS]

  Camino rooster yeah how are they how is [TS]

  how did Chris get in touch with him like [TS]

  if Chris was thinking oh somebody from [TS]

  the bun family players needs to come to [TS]

  get these tapes like he would presumably [TS]

  be able to find me pretty easily but no [TS]

  it's ian ian is his point of contact and [TS]

  it makes it all the more amazing that [TS]

  the connection happened well so i am [TS]

  gonna figure out a way to be a tap [TS]

  multi-tracks of the blood family players [TS]

  playing you know a protic proto versions [TS]

  of love our like weird weird tunes weird [TS]

  tracks mmm another another another big [TS]

  pile and media for John yeah there it is [TS]

  what's what I need is a bunch of boxes [TS]

  of a duct tapes and all the end of da [TS]

  dat machines that he is like well while [TS]

  you're here why don't you just take all [TS]

  this stuff but remember carousels [TS]

  somewhere out there I think in in my [TS]

  office now is a box that has I swear to [TS]

  you my 64k IBM PC what and somewhere [TS]

  there is a box of floppy disks and what [TS]

  what got me off on this was after i did [TS]

  a couple of reports for school on this [TS]

  and printed them out on my little dot [TS]

  matrix printer i was sitting in the [TS]

  basement one night working on something [TS]

  and i closed it and i opened a new file [TS]

  and i started typing a sex story i was [TS]

  like she came in to the room and he was [TS]

  there and there was a red Corvette [TS]

  parked in the driveway and they laura [TS]

  deluxe Lord delights and he took off his [TS]

  elaborate hat and he's fine it's peachy [TS]

  showed her boob and he he was very very [TS]

  very interested in her boob and looked [TS]

  at it very closely and she let him and [TS]

  then she didn't seem to mind and I was [TS]

  so [TS]

  I was so turned on by my own writing as [TS]

  I was putting it down like oh my god [TS]

  this is a lot teenagers brain is the [TS]

  biggest sex organ yeah and I couldn't [TS]

  like now I can't even put myself into I [TS]

  mean I don't know I haven't sat at my [TS]

  computer for a long time and been like [TS]

  her boobs worse you could see them and [TS]

  she didn't care they were both there [TS]

  good to see him and she said look at [TS]

  those and I was like mad and I took my [TS]

  big hat off and I say I'm gonna just do [TS]

  that then may I hang up your cape she [TS]

  said girlishly and then her dragon her [TS]

  pet dragon wet her I know nothing like [TS]

  me don't ya DNA she said cook Ashley she [TS]

  was dressed like the girl on the cover [TS]

  of heavy metal the movies and then she [TS]

  had a boob out and then the other boob [TS]

  yeah two of them haha that's hot so and [TS]

  the reason I think I still have that 64k [TS]

  IBM pc with dual disc drives is that at [TS]

  some point because I used it all the way [TS]

  through college other kids had computers [TS]

  that had color screens and uh if not [TS]

  mice then we have some kind of motion [TS]

  gesturing device yeah you get that nice [TS]

  laptop with a little red nipple hunted a [TS]

  lot of people had those yeah and I still [TS]

  had this this computer 64 entire k and [TS]

  we had we were way ahead of the curve in [TS]

  nineteen eighty or 81 because we got the [TS]

  orange colored screen instead of the [TS]

  green screen oh nice I still have this [TS]

  stuff and I think at some point in 95 my [TS]

  mom said well that's probably gonna be [TS]

  worth money someday and I said I don't [TS]

  think so mom it's covered with Rainier [TS]

  beer stickers it's not like it's not a [TS]

  it's not pristine she was like oh you [TS]

  know that's what we said about the 56 [TS]

  Chrysler 300 I was like hmm but anyway I [TS]

  still have it if anybody's interested [TS]

  contact me CZ info at the long winters [TS]

  com yep yeah that's the policy two in [TS]

  one out [TS]

  boobs all right [TS]