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0:00:19hello hi John hi moon how's it going Oh
0:00:25super duper might tell you something at
0:00:30the outset oh yeah lets your have an
0:00:32important public service announcement
0:00:34for you this never happens yeah so if I
0:00:37edited the show I would cut this out but
0:00:38five or so days ago my mac started
0:00:45suddenly dying like as in it was the
0:00:48equivalent of like basically if you just
0:00:50pulled out the plug did we stop oh wow
0:00:54yeah there's winches us as we say in the
0:00:56woke Twitter community it's problematic
0:00:59does that a bug or a feature yeah sure
0:01:02yeah well here's the thing long story
0:01:05short i'm pretty sure it's probably the
0:01:06power supply for a variety of reasons
0:01:09including that it takes about five days
0:01:11to get an appointment to drop your mac
0:01:12off to be looked at i've been doing lots
0:01:13of uh like crazy monkey stuff trying to
0:01:17like figure if i can troubleshoot it
0:01:19myself I think I've ice you know it's
0:01:22this is real medieval stuff basically
0:01:24I've tried unplugging everything I've
0:01:26reset everything I've done many many
0:01:28things and it appears so far that your
0:01:32computer guy well I used to be sure it
0:01:34appears that if I don't as long as i
0:01:36don't use a certain keyboard it stays up
0:01:39for at least 36 hours ok i just i here's
0:01:42the thing i love our relationship I
0:01:45think it's a strong relationship but if
0:01:46for some reason i suddenly stop talking
0:01:48and go hey it might be because the imac
0:01:52one day I have will nap I understand
0:01:54maybe get sleepy get sleepy you know
0:01:56yeah does well I had it better for over
0:01:58a year it's been pretty tired I have a
0:02:03couple of questions hmm yes you there is
0:02:06a technical question well a couple I
0:02:08mean for question number one when I
0:02:11first met you you had a lot of computers
0:02:14yeah yeah had a computer over here you
0:02:16had a computer over there yet a computer
0:02:18here you had one under the desk a talk
0:02:20to Arab mm-hmm right um how many
0:02:23computers are you like are when you say
0:02:26my computer you down to a computer
0:02:28that's a very it's a very very good
0:02:30question yeah you met
0:02:32at a time when I had I believe when we
0:02:36first started hanging out when we had
0:02:37our important last weekend where you me
0:02:40and Sean made the long winters website
0:02:41it was I had my desktop Mac which I
0:02:46think at that point was still my big
0:02:47blue and white g through Yosemite I had
0:02:50a windows pc on a plank that i was using
0:02:53to do cold fusion development and I
0:02:56probably was yes I was definitely still
0:02:58using my powerbook from the late
0:03:00nineties it wasn't their computer
0:03:02running in the background doing SETI
0:03:03Research mm-hmm Oh yet still looking
0:03:05yeah I think thing is when you and I
0:03:09first met when we we ah that does you
0:03:16know you can you can cut this out now
0:03:18but I think your main computer was a pc
0:03:23and you had just recently purchased an
0:03:25apple that you were experimenting what
0:03:27that is an impression that is very
0:03:30understandable um uh no actually i've
0:03:34been using a mac since 1987 it's how i
0:03:37learned how to use a computer and my
0:03:40first job be job and I you know I
0:03:43eventually got a mac in college and one
0:03:47of the lower end mak sae with me drives
0:03:50learn on a apple 2e no no I hated
0:03:54computers hey did computers I somewhat
0:03:57famously in the mythology dropped music
0:03:59theory when I was a senior and moved him
0:04:01to stage man to play guitar I hated it I
0:04:03didn't understand basic I thought it was
0:04:05stupid but no I'm the the thing was I
0:04:08had even I had my total amount of time
0:04:10until about two thousand one my total
0:04:14amount of time ever on a on a PC would
0:04:17probably be less than two hours ever Wow
0:04:20but there this long stories a boring
0:04:21story but basically there's this
0:04:23development environment that was much
0:04:24easier to do on a pc so my boss gave me
0:04:26a janky ass five year old pc to do this
0:04:28on oh icic but you know what the thing
0:04:30here's the thing that's really changed
0:04:32is you used to really have to have a
0:04:34computer because that's where your stuff
0:04:36lived and you know it's it was where
0:04:41that everything you think of book you're
0:04:42obviously your files and your
0:04:43applications you know if you wanted to
0:04:45have another copy of word on another
0:04:47computer you bought another copy of word
0:04:49and you move around the floppy disk or
0:04:51eventually network drives but no i mean
0:04:54like we make jokes about the cloud but
0:04:56like honestly it's it's amazing how much
0:04:58stuff i can do on any device and there's
0:05:00and that's actually I think I think we
0:05:03kid but I think that stuff that actually
0:05:05has gotten on Apple's and has gotten a
0:05:07lot better hmm the dying imac it's
0:05:09probably my fault i'm probably using it
0:05:11wrong but i holding it wrong okay now
0:05:14here's another question yes about your
0:05:16hygiene computer hygiene do you just
0:05:18leave it on all the time if you turn it
0:05:20off I do there was a time when it was
0:05:23believed there's so many things there
0:05:25just based on you ever heard this an
0:05:27ulcer I heard from John Syracuse you
0:05:28ever heard the old story about cutting
0:05:30the ends off the roast um the story goes
0:05:35the story goes that that someone in the
0:05:38house is preparing a roast and we've got
0:05:40the ends off the roast the story already
0:05:42don't cut the ends off the roadway cut
0:05:44the ends off the roast and and and then
0:05:46the other person the younger person that
0:05:48perhaps the child says you know hey why
0:05:50do you cut the ends off the rose and say
0:05:52I cut the ends off the rest because my
0:05:54mom cut the ends off the roast and you
0:05:56go it says its ends the roast all the
0:05:58way down until you eventually discover
0:06:00the original roast cutter did it because
0:06:02he only had a small pan and would make
0:06:04it Oh Sees not a good story see that's a
0:06:08good story good story there's all kinds
0:06:10of cutting the ends off the rest things
0:06:12the computer users have done for years
0:06:13that don't even really make that says I
0:06:15mean how many times have you been
0:06:16somewhere and you see people in line if
0:06:19they're not playing a facebook game or
0:06:20something they're they're quitting apps
0:06:21like you don't need to quit apps on your
0:06:23phone but people think that's a thing
0:06:24you should do you have to do that you
0:06:26don't have to do that um got a pan you
0:06:29got a pan big enough to hold the roast
0:06:30okay yes the pan the pan has says has
0:06:32gotten bigger and so one of that one of
0:06:34the pieces of conventional wisdom back
0:06:35in my day was you should turn off the
0:06:36computer at night it saves energy it
0:06:39increases the lifetime of the computer
0:06:41and then of course you get as we call in
0:06:42the business it turns out where people
0:06:44say no actually it takes more energy and
0:06:46we're on the computer to restart and I
0:06:47don't know if any of it was true but
0:06:49they're so energy efficient today and
0:06:52they do so much in the background that
0:06:54I think it you know just paisa leave
0:06:56them on yeah well I mean you know what
0:06:58did they say that it it ends up using
0:07:01more energy to to wash your hands and it
0:07:05does just to cure meningitis oh my
0:07:07goodness is that it's that recent
0:07:09scholarship John yeah I think it is I
0:07:11had no idea Jimenez is a big problem it
0:07:14really is and it comes from not watching
0:07:15your hands oh my goodness i I've gone
0:07:17through a whole renaissance of washing
0:07:19my hands again I'm back on the hand
0:07:20washing oh good good good no I never
0:07:22left it I really ok I see I feel like
0:07:25this is something where you peg people
0:07:26as OCD but like once you've had a kid
0:07:28and like in our case we were so freaked
0:07:30out we had several autumn if you
0:07:32remember we had several hand sanitizer
0:07:33stationed around the house for when
0:07:35people would arrive but you know I can I
0:07:38feel like this is anecdotal this might
0:07:39be cutting the ends off the roast but my
0:07:41kid went to a preschool we're washing
0:07:43hands was part of everything that they
0:07:44do always were washing hands and she got
0:07:46a lot fewer colds now today you go on a
0:07:49field trip the kids have been touching
0:07:51trees and railings like monsters and
0:07:53they just shove a sandwich in there
0:07:54gaping mom Oh God you know you get that
0:07:56we get that Dutch elm disease from that
0:07:58is that what happens is that yeah which
0:08:00is worse is that or meningitis is worse
0:08:02you touch a tree okay you just say you
0:08:04cram a sandwich into your mouth with
0:08:06your tree gummy hands you get Dutch elm
0:08:08disease right away I think that's way
0:08:10worse than it sounds terrible or like
0:08:12that zombie ant thing where do you get a
0:08:14tree beetle infestation Oh are there are
0:08:18instances that you can think of in your
0:08:20own life that you have cut the ends off
0:08:22the roast oh yeah yeah yeah there's tons
0:08:26of stuff in technology and there's just
0:08:28tons of stuff like you know I guess the
0:08:31word would be superstition that's too
0:08:33strong a word but it's something we're
0:08:34like there's this thing we do okay how
0:08:36about this do you do well you probably
0:08:39do this with your truck but warming the
0:08:41car up it used to be more sure do it get
0:08:45the bane of everyone in my family
0:08:48because we get out of the truck room
0:08:49I'll turn it up sit there for 18 minutes
0:08:53and everyone's like let's go right well
0:08:57and you figure you here in our language
0:09:00today like you say well I take the car
0:09:01in for a tune-up well you probably don't
0:09:03need to take your car you do but like
0:09:05you don't need to take most cars in for
0:09:07a tune up because there's
0:09:07thing to tune up in the conventional
0:09:09sense right that's right we often do you
0:09:12say like so like you want to show you
0:09:13ever do you still say like I'm gonna
0:09:14take that show no cuz you know tape
0:09:18things I don't take things but or like
0:09:20you know you you might say you're going
0:09:22to tape something when you're shooting a
0:09:23video on your phone some people still
0:09:25say i'm working on a record yeah how
0:09:30many grams of vinyl I loved your new
0:09:33record yeah you know I heard like one
0:09:35track on a email yeah in in music all
0:09:41the time I mean I catch myself doing
0:09:44things patterns that I learned in the
0:09:48very earliest days of picking up the
0:09:50guitar the little boxes and shapes that
0:09:53I learned that I should have unlearned a
0:09:57thousand years ago I sent it I sent an
0:09:59email the other day I'm sorry a text I
0:10:02started a text thread that included Ted
0:10:06Leo aimee mann jonathan coulton a couple
0:10:10other guitar playing ding-a-lings and I
0:10:13said Jimbo's a couple of these people
0:10:16and I said how do you fret how do you
0:10:18Fred a G chord how do you make a G chord
0:10:21hmm so open G just an open G chord in
0:10:25some senses the simplest chord open Jean
0:10:29my favorite cord and of the seven people
0:10:32on the thread I got back seven answers
0:10:34what Oh different and it started a huge
0:10:37argument between between all these
0:10:41accomplished guitar players who have
0:10:42been playing guitar for 30 years in most
0:10:45cases and they're all like you play a G
0:10:47chord like that that's done that's the
0:10:49you know me and the décor where I play
0:10:51it backwards cheetor it seems like a
0:10:53non-controversial chord where the main
0:10:56thing is do you include the extra BCD do
0:10:59you include the extra d on the B string
0:11:02that that was one of the things one of
0:11:04the major bones of contention I think
0:11:08you you you do don't you I do as a as a
0:11:11diddle but i don't i don't now like I
0:11:15think Ted plays the D in the G every
0:11:19time
0:11:19Oh interesting I said I woulda guessed
0:11:21he does I would see him doing more like
0:11:24a power cord well yeah except peas
0:11:27theatre PG in the deion en a string he's
0:11:30mr. jingle jangle yeah it's true now i
0:11:32guess but uh like I always play the the
0:11:37low G I always prep the E string on the
0:11:40G in my c cords oh I know I learned that
0:11:43from you and I never looked back yeah
0:11:44I've never played this changes
0:11:45everything but uh but so G chord rhett
0:11:50and the reason I asked it the reason I
0:11:52sent it out there was I was I was
0:11:53playing my g as I do and I and I became
0:11:59self-conscious about it because it's
0:12:01like the I Fred it the ultimate sort of
0:12:04cowboy like day one of your guitar
0:12:09lessons way just the basic gist kind of
0:12:13don g chord yeah and it and it felt
0:12:17unsophisticated to me all of us but it's
0:12:19so pure it was just like it's on an
0:12:21acoustic guitar so many open strings
0:12:23it's us a perfect chord yeah but it just
0:12:26felt like herpaderp so I so I asked all
0:12:28my friends I was like what do you guys
0:12:29do and you know like Jonathan Coulton
0:12:33has this whole this whole philosophy of
0:12:37a G store over G chord that I'm the way
0:12:42he frets it involves like muting strings
0:12:46with the with the fat part of his
0:12:48fingers and and he keeps himself like he
0:12:52keeps the cord wide open so he can do
0:12:54all these little Jackson Browne tweeny
0:12:57twang at ease with his other features
0:12:59like surfing he likes to fogelberg it up
0:13:00yeah he's he's fronting it basically
0:13:03with his pinky on the top and his thumb
0:13:05on the bottom I don't remember how he
0:13:06did it but I will she do the
0:13:07reach-around yeah it was very
0:13:09contrasting and everybody was like
0:13:11cushaw but he had that smug you know
0:13:14yale music degree kind of say John
0:13:17typical typical Yeah right right now so
0:13:21anyways all by way of saying when I sit
0:13:23down at the piano or when I sit at the
0:13:25guitar which you don't actually sit and
0:13:28we can yeah you can get where those
0:13:29fruity little stools and put your foot
0:13:30up in the air it was the guy that who's
0:13:32the
0:13:33blond guy about our age that played
0:13:34guitar like flipped up uh-huh or like
0:13:39how did he play it he he was like in the
0:13:4180s kind of like a bluesy rock guy
0:13:44blanket r-jefferson blunt guitar it
0:13:47wasn't black tar Jeffers and it might
0:13:49have been might have been a blind willie
0:13:51stewpot uh-huh right right right or he
0:13:54might be a blind blind Jimmy bindle pack
0:13:57he's yet bindle packs he's from the long
0:14:00line of bendel packs the facebook
0:14:03investors the twins the patch tool
0:14:08there's still millionaires I don't feel
0:14:10sorry for them they're all about the
0:14:11Bitcoin now is that right mmm wait a
0:14:14minute do you own a Bitcoin uh I don't
0:14:16know hmm what does it talk about these
0:14:20things oh icici it's a cryptocurrency
0:14:21isn't it one of those things like my dad
0:14:24used to get paid in in like a Aleutian
0:14:27art and and like you was get it's like
0:14:30it's a fur Confederate script if it's
0:14:33like the barter instead of giving you
0:14:35kicking people pay you and bake gonna
0:14:37have a Confederate scrip but I'm telling
0:14:39you buddy it's looking like a not make a
0:14:40comeback Jefferson Davis and so so any
0:14:45support all these things that were like
0:14:48some guy wrote out on a piece of
0:14:50notebook paper like here's the blues
0:14:52scale then I went home and I was like I
0:14:54own a Marilyn a blues scale and I still
0:14:57fucking play at every single day the
0:15:00exact I never learned anything else
0:15:01everybody's got a funny compulsive thing
0:15:03that they do you know my compulsive
0:15:05thing with little hammer on see you know
0:15:07the little walk up that's so good they i
0:15:09know i love the little walk that's when
0:15:11i'm playing my little guitar ukulele
0:15:11which is the main guitar that i play
0:15:13when i'm just sitting around thinking
0:15:14i'll do that or i'll do the basic box
0:15:17where you slide from them i'll do an a
0:15:19pentatonic where you do like a slide
0:15:21from GA do do do do do and I'll do that
0:15:24little bend over the fifth no compulsive
0:15:27thing you know everything everybody's
0:15:29got this they've got those little like
0:15:31yeah compulsive things I just recently
0:15:33started arranging my dishwasher in a new
0:15:36configuration than this is a huge this
0:15:38is a big deal it's a big deal i don't i
0:15:40don't like it but we all know what did
0:15:44come out of a reason or you just felt
0:15:45like you needed a change yeah I just I
0:15:48you know I didn't want to be one of
0:15:49those guys that I ranges his dishwasher
0:15:52the same way for the rest of his life
0:15:54good for you John yeah so I started
0:15:56doing it a different way and it's a it's
0:15:58a radically different way it's going
0:16:00across the grain mmm and there's a part
0:16:03of me that feels like mmm this couldn't
0:16:06work this can't work but I still I mean
0:16:10that there's no there's no wasted space
0:16:12in the dishwasher and I still managed to
0:16:14get all the typical it's not like I have
0:16:16a bunch of leftover dishes hmm so it's
0:16:20working but i'm i'm still does it feel
0:16:24wrong i'm just on pins and needles about
0:16:27it it's like changing the way you wipe
0:16:28some of those things were like you as
0:16:29you feel like there's an improvement to
0:16:30the system it still feels wrong it feels
0:16:33like you're at cross purposes with
0:16:34everything you know we know the
0:16:35apparently many many many years ago i
0:16:40encountered some little skirmish in the
0:16:44toilet paper roll wars mm-hmm where it
0:16:47was it was presented to me as a choice
0:16:50that you can either put the toilet paper
0:16:51roll on top feeding or bottom feeding
0:16:54yep and it was given to me that the
0:16:58majority used the top feeding method and
0:17:01so in order I mean mine my native
0:17:05response to that was to be to take the
0:17:08road less traveled by and that has made
0:17:10all the difference and so I put it on
0:17:12bottom rolling now because two rolls
0:17:14diverted in a wood that's right not
0:17:17because I preferred it not because I
0:17:18cared one way or the other because
0:17:20nothing could be more insignificant yeah
0:17:22but I just did it that way and then I
0:17:26posted a picture the other day of my
0:17:28toilet paper rolls somehow on the on the
0:17:34internet and I got all this blowback all
0:17:38this like you know you're doing it wrong
0:17:40yeah all that you're doing it wrong
0:17:42voices echoing out of the well actually
0:17:44and I never heard a single person say
0:17:47thank goodness a man standing up for
0:17:49justice and so now I feel I'm in a
0:17:54posture like the last time I change the
0:17:56toilet paper rolls
0:17:57put him on top over not because I
0:18:00succumbed to peer pressure but because I
0:18:03was wondering if there was some
0:18:04technological reason if there was some
0:18:06massive improvement in though in the the
0:18:10way that this toilet paper was going to
0:18:11perform and so now I've been dealing
0:18:14with this sort of over-the-top stuff and
0:18:16I'm trying to figure out like am I am I
0:18:19doing this better am I am I more
0:18:22refreshed when i leave the the the water
0:18:26closet am i do I go about my day with
0:18:29more of us bring in my step it's really
0:18:31hard to discern in such a short short
0:18:34amount of time but it doesn't feel right
0:18:38yeah i mean i used to have feelings
0:18:43about this you know there's just been
0:18:44there's been so many minor differences
0:18:48that the world and the internet in
0:18:50particular chooses to have a obsession
0:18:52about i mean you get the whole like
0:18:54pineapple on pizza there's all these
0:18:56different things that have zero impact
0:18:57and that seems to make them all the more
0:18:58important yeah I yeah I don't know I'd
0:19:01apple on one kind of pizza let's agree
0:19:03hmm well it's all green pineapple it's
0:19:06all Hawaiian style pizza yeah if you if
0:19:08you order that you get you get pineapple
0:19:09on it there it is it's the end oh
0:19:11interesting mekka lekka hi mekka hiney
0:19:12ho right yeah Oh wah wah wah wah oh look
0:19:17like it took a look like a look okay I
0:19:18was not really insensitive of me I was
0:19:21thinking about this the other day yes
0:19:23the degree this was this was very
0:19:25confusing to me at first but then I
0:19:28thought that I thought that I found a
0:19:30way out of the jungle which was that I
0:19:32was reflecting on Noam Chomsky mm-hmm
0:19:38and I was reflecting on the fact that
0:19:41you know I i liked not liked you can't
0:19:45say that you like Noam Chomsky but I did
0:19:49a deep dive on Noam Chomsky during the
0:19:51time that we all did back in art back in
0:19:53our 20s in and and my experience of Noam
0:19:59Chomsky was that there was nothing he
0:20:01said that that you could point a finger
0:20:04at and say I just you know that's wrong
0:20:07right i mean everything he said
0:20:10conformed to my own beliefs and and
0:20:13supported my own suspicions and you know
0:20:17confirmed kind of my vision of the world
0:20:19and I didn't I I agreed with noam
0:20:22chomsky all the way down but still it
0:20:28seemed that Noam Chomsky was wrong like
0:20:33he was you couldn't point at anything
0:20:36like all of his proofs were correct and
0:20:40yet still in the aggregate from the from
0:20:45a mile high he was just he was just
0:20:48wrong like anarcho-syndicalism or
0:20:51whatever is not the solution and and I
0:20:55and I was you know kind of chewing on
0:20:57this because it seems like a it seems
0:20:59like it would be it was I was trying to
0:21:01figure out how that was some insight
0:21:03into now and I realized that or I didn't
0:21:07realize but I but then I started
0:21:08thinking about how in math and in
0:21:11science you people will pursue these
0:21:16elegant solutions to problems and the
0:21:19solution will be this beautiful thing
0:21:22that that is right absolutely right all
0:21:25the way through it and then at the very
0:21:28end it is not correct right it doesn't
0:21:31solve for x and the mathematician goes
0:21:37back to the drawing board and and a lot
0:21:39of times is a lot of times they waste
0:21:42years because it the thing they're
0:21:45working on is so beautiful and so true
0:21:48that they can't abandon it and it and it
0:21:52started to just sort of start spin in my
0:21:55head that in the sciences where we're
0:22:00able at least at the end to to examine
0:22:07the thing that is that is beautiful and
0:22:09if it doesn't work we have to throw it
0:22:12away even even in spite of its beauty or
0:22:14we keep certain parts of it but but we
0:22:16have to we have to acknowledge that it
0:22:18it it isn't true and in the social
0:22:22sciences and Impala
0:22:23we can pursue these ideas these like
0:22:29tallies towering sort of formations of
0:22:32ideas and they feel true and they seem
0:22:34true and they all sort of logically
0:22:36follow but at the end we don't have that
0:22:39you know that the anna and i think it's
0:22:44not that there isn't a true answer it's
0:22:48just that we don't have the technology
0:22:50right now the intelligence or the
0:22:52technology to discern what the true
0:22:56answer is in in the science and the
0:22:59social sciences are in politics right we
0:23:01just can't see it and you know a
0:23:06thousand years from now or even two
0:23:07hundred years from now it may be
0:23:09possible to see that the true answers
0:23:13there but now they're just still sort of
0:23:17like oh its sources all the way down or
0:23:20you know the the stars in the sky are
0:23:23pinpricks in the fabric and so we follow
0:23:27these elegant solutions and we see these
0:23:30beautiful sort of you know elaborate
0:23:33thought storms and we say this must be
0:23:36true and when we when we apply them to
0:23:40the world and they don't work and they
0:23:43you know they like they utterly fail in
0:23:47a lot of cases to actually describe
0:23:49reality or to be useful we can't abandon
0:23:53them because we because that isn't
0:23:55there's no control group large enough
0:23:58for there's you know there isn't that
0:24:01that arrival at like does this solve the
0:24:04problem absolutely not no it's always a
0:24:08question of does this all problem well
0:24:09we haven't applied it enough times or we
0:24:11haven't we don't have a funding or you
0:24:14know it only works in a vacuum or
0:24:17whatever and and so I was really like
0:24:19chewing on that as I kind of I don't
0:24:23know like a hopefulness that that where
0:24:28we are now which is this like world of
0:24:30total subjectivity in politics and
0:24:33culture where everything is just like
0:24:36your opinion
0:24:37man mm-hmm isn't the end that isn't that
0:24:41or even it could be something where
0:24:42there's near-universal ascent for now
0:24:45about the scientific rigor and validity
0:24:48of a given theory which doesn't mean
0:24:51what everybody thinks it means but you
0:24:52know whether that's gravity or something
0:24:54there you know how the shape of the
0:24:57earth there are still going to be people
0:25:01who have the reasons why they choose to
0:25:04believe that it isn't true or can't be
0:25:06true the earth is sitting in a gravity
0:25:08bag yeah we're like a great great tweet
0:25:10i saw not long ago there are flatter of
0:25:12society people all over the globe I I
0:25:16think it's I do think about this as
0:25:19somebody who's just an observer of all
0:25:21of these things and you know an
0:25:23enthusiast sometimes about some of these
0:25:25topics but I i think there's will have
0:25:27these sort of rough mental models none
0:25:29of which is very complete but yeah well
0:25:31here's one example one example is my
0:25:33computer right now where you know why is
0:25:35my computer work well I don't know why
0:25:37or how my computer works I can tell when
0:25:39it stops working and then I can choose
0:25:41to identify what it is that made it work
0:25:43again I don't know if it was actually
0:25:45unplugging the keyboard the quota fix
0:25:46this I don't think that's it I think
0:25:48that was probably a symptom of a deeper
0:25:49problem so I can I can for the moment be
0:25:52recording this program with you
0:25:53believing that the problem is solved but
0:25:55I don't even know what the problem is
0:25:57I'm not sure if it's solved and I don't
0:25:59know if it will or won't come back again
0:26:00because because who knows that's one
0:26:02kind of model for it is that you know
0:26:03it's it's all again that's a lot like
0:26:05cutting the ends off the roast but with
0:26:07the science stuff for any kind of
0:26:08scholarship in particular in this is an
0:26:11incomplete mental model but I do think
0:26:14of it a little bit like a like a puzzle
0:26:16like I think about when I was a kid my
0:26:18family my mom mainly was putting
0:26:20together this very difficult I think it
0:26:23was over 500 pieces but a very very
0:26:25large puzzle of a coin it was a liberty
0:26:27dollar so that it's more than 500 pieces
0:26:31because I see 1,500 piece puzzles all
0:26:33the time that's toys for kids I know I
0:26:36know and I never saw the appeal
0:26:37personally but you know the thing is to
0:26:39think about that think about making a
0:26:401000 piece puzzle of a coin it's like a
0:26:45recipe for madness it would be like
0:26:46doing a puzzle of a
0:26:49a brown shot of a pool I mean every
0:26:53piece looks pretty much exactly the same
0:26:54so I mean I mean first you to figure out
0:26:57what the puzzle is that you're trying to
0:26:58solve you wonder if you have all the
0:27:00pieces and then as you go along you
0:27:02start fitting them again and complete
0:27:04but like that's the way I think about a
0:27:05little bit and these two pieces seem to
0:27:06fit together but you may find that they
0:27:08actually fit together with this other
0:27:09piece and that takes time and it never
0:27:11really even takes into account whether
0:27:13you should be solving a puzzle at all
0:27:14but that's that's the thing is like some
0:27:15scientific stuff for some scholarship
0:27:16comes too early sometimes maybe it comes
0:27:19too late sometimes it comes at the you
0:27:21know maybe again maybe like with my
0:27:23computer there's some kind of there's
0:27:24something valid in what they're
0:27:26discussing but it isn't one hundred
0:27:28percent correct accurate for all x in
0:27:31ways that may not be apparent for years
0:27:33but that doesn't mean it's not useful I
0:27:35mean that's how you discover penicillin
0:27:36yeah well I mean right but what we don't
0:27:40remember is the is the like thousands of
0:27:44people that were injected with human
0:27:46feces and died in the search for
0:27:50penicillin alright and ideally as I
0:27:52understand the process which is the
0:27:54process I don't actually understand but
0:27:55part of it is documenting the times it
0:27:57didn't work this is where you get into
0:27:58the file drawer effect where you only
0:27:59publish the results to turn out the way
0:28:01you want it you know to seems like to
0:28:03you really have to have to be replicable
0:28:06and you have to talk about ways that it
0:28:07might not be replicable and you know
0:28:10that that desire to find not the truth
0:28:14with a capital T but like what I can
0:28:15prove for now and document it that's the
0:28:18real scientist the real science is not
0:28:20having some article that you know shows
0:28:21up on public radio it's about that
0:28:23search for what I what I can prove how I
0:28:25think I can prove it and then how that
0:28:27maybe fits into something else but
0:28:29that's a much more humble kind of
0:28:32science well and I think that's exactly
0:28:35what I'm getting at because in the
0:28:37social sciences and politics there is
0:28:44really really really a strong trend and
0:28:48very little incentive to admit when a
0:28:53thing doesn't work because if that's not
0:28:57going to get you that's not going to get
0:28:58you headlines right in what science page
0:29:01of the local paper it
0:29:03so doesn't this is the problem right a
0:29:05theory feels so gratifying when you when
0:29:09you when you feel like it explains
0:29:11everything and to abandon it to abandon
0:29:16aspects of it or it entirely is really
0:29:21destabilizing and it makes you feel
0:29:22awful and and you realize that it isn't
0:29:25everything isn't explained by a by a
0:29:29sort of book or a paragraph in a book
0:29:32and there's no incentive to do it
0:29:35because I'm you know when we started
0:29:37calling them the social sciences we were
0:29:41trying to give them the imprimatur of
0:29:43science because we thought we could use
0:29:46the scientific method to investigate
0:29:49these these sort of soft ideas or hard
0:29:56to prove things that what that are only
0:29:58provable in mass aggregate over hundreds
0:30:02of years or something but we've sort of
0:30:04abandoned the science side of it and
0:30:07it's now just it's become a thing where
0:30:11your conviction versus my conviction and
0:30:13any any any feeling of doubt within
0:30:17yourself or any feeling of doubt within
0:30:19your community where you're like did
0:30:21this work is this working does this is
0:30:24this accurate is really shouted down
0:30:27because it's because it's understood to
0:30:31its kind of under fine tenor
0:30:32revolutionary that's right
0:30:33counter-revolutionary under undermine
0:30:35our our our great struggle and that's
0:30:39the that's the thing the feeling of like
0:30:43oh this isn't this actually isn't it's
0:30:47not that any one particular idea or any
0:30:49any group of ideas is is plaguing me
0:30:53it's more that this isn't a method this
0:30:56isn't a future method this isn't what
0:30:58we'll be doing forever we will again
0:31:01remember
0:31:02that we have to test things and when
0:31:05they don't work we have to have the
0:31:06courage to say they don't work right and
0:31:09that rather than trying to shore up
0:31:12whatever flimsy proof you have that it
0:31:14does work yeah or just say or to make
0:31:17those excuses that it doesn't work
0:31:18because of you know because of all these
0:31:22external factors that we can't control
0:31:23and we need to if we just keep applying
0:31:26our program that doesn't work long
0:31:29enough it will be shown to work after we
0:31:33have changed every other conditions uh
0:31:36and you know that's a pretty good
0:31:40traction in a certain light colored
0:31:42house in DC right now uh well and in and
0:31:45in the left even more or or equally as
0:31:48much now we can we basically we have
0:31:50nicer chicken bones that's what we're
0:31:53doing the same foo do but we think our
0:31:54chicken bones st. you know have a
0:31:55graduate degree yeah our stone soup has
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0:34:23much to Casper for sporting Roderick on
0:34:25the line and all the great shows I'm
0:34:29just looking for some relief my dad my
0:34:32imagination I can't I can't put it in
0:34:35this in these stone soups it just you
0:34:38know it just keep swimming to the top
0:34:40and thing we please pluck me back we had
0:34:43a row we had a kind of school related
0:34:45Easter activity this weekend my wife and
0:34:48another parent put together this egg
0:34:51hunt for the kids it was really fun I
0:34:52ended up talking to his buddy of mine
0:34:54I've worked with a lot in the past and
0:34:56you know we are aligned on many many
0:34:59things oh you know who it is it's your
0:35:02member when I interviewed you in my yard
0:35:04and my friend that the glasses was there
0:35:06and he brought his friend who kept
0:35:06talking and you yelled in him uh-huh
0:35:08isn't it fun with the glasses yeah your
0:35:10friend with the glasses he was a very he
0:35:13was a very good help to me he's good
0:35:15again he's good man thorough very
0:35:16professional I thought I daughter's go
0:35:18to school together now hmm so but he we
0:35:21were talking and you know the of course
0:35:24as with any Easter occasion in 2017
0:35:26eventually you turn to talking about a
0:35:28just everything and but he's so much
0:35:32more on top of the ball like he's like
0:35:33scheduled time to go like make calls and
0:35:36do stuff like I'm so I'm so covered with
0:35:39shame about how much I'm still just
0:35:41sinker going Merc my understand anything
0:35:43I just want to understand things again
0:35:46you gave me the opportunity to pull out
0:35:49two wonderful quotes that are widely
0:35:50known I want to cite these quotes here
0:35:53with credit credited to Helmuth von
0:35:56Moltke no battle plan survives contact
0:35:59with the enemy that's right that's a
0:36:01wonderful right that's a great it's a
0:36:03great quote and I say it all the time
0:36:04and it's it's been adapted to many
0:36:07different as of course you know the
0:36:09computer people they're always getting
0:36:11other people's things as you know but
0:36:13damn it no you no no no documentation
0:36:16survives contact with the user in any of
0:36:18those kinds of things and then the other
0:36:19one from the great classical philosopher
0:36:21Mike Tyson everybody has a plan until
0:36:23they get punched in the mouth in the
0:36:29mouth you know it's funny because it's
0:36:32true you know yeah yep I i I've been
0:36:38I've been chewing on chewing on some
0:36:41ideas I've been I I realized yesterday
0:36:46as I was I was cleaning my house
0:36:48yesterday my house is I've let it go on
0:36:51cleaned I let the yard go on trimmed for
0:36:55a couple of seasons and everything had
0:36:57gone to everything had gone to chaos
0:37:00there were there were receipts from
0:37:047-eleven where I never go from like 2013
0:37:08sort of laying around yeah like I need
0:37:10this well and just like how did this but
0:37:13how did this end up here how did why
0:37:15would I put this down on a table and how
0:37:18is it still here yeah what that is that
0:37:21says bad things that's it in like it's
0:37:24not disputable there's nothing where you
0:37:26get you don't get an appeal on this
0:37:28there is as we used to say in military
0:37:30school no excuse sir there is no there's
0:37:32no excuse because the piles speak for
0:37:35themselves they are in chronological
0:37:36order except for the time you must it up
0:37:38a bit trying to find something actually
0:37:39useful I missed all of your kibble yeah
0:37:42there it is but so I spent an entire day
0:37:44let's call it two days I've been working
0:37:48on I've been working on the yard for
0:37:49several weeks but I and I did some
0:37:52things that I'd been planning to do for
0:37:54years like I chop the top out of my ugly
0:37:56apple tree and let it do what it's gonna
0:37:59do let it fair its own you know what I
0:38:01mean like it's apple tree can't hang
0:38:03then it's out of here my mom is very
0:38:05unsentimental about trees unlike other
0:38:08things and I could take I could take a
0:38:11lesson from her but this tree I was just
0:38:13like you know what I've hated the top of
0:38:14you for a long time and you're gone but
0:38:17that's been over the past couple of
0:38:18weeks but the last two days I decided I
0:38:21was going to clean the house I was going
0:38:22to do a deep deep dive and I realized
0:38:26that I could work on a project in the
0:38:29house for a sustained hour before I
0:38:35needed a 20 minute vacation mm-hmm and
0:38:38I'd never because I I'd never like I'd
0:38:46never seen it in action this way because
0:38:48I have these stupid stupid stupid little
0:38:50games on my phone that are just so
0:38:53stupid and I think they're so getting to
0:38:56you and some monkey part of my brain is
0:38:58just like well got 20 minutes to kill
0:39:01yeah might as well go bleep on my so I
0:39:05worked all I work from 8am to 8 p.m.
0:39:09yesterday cleaning the house and I took
0:39:12six 20-minute breaks to go boopy boopy
0:39:19boopy boopy but I worked diligently the
0:39:23rest of the time that's still better
0:39:25than most people on a given day I would
0:39:27postulate I am and way better than I
0:39:30normally do yeah but what was
0:39:32interesting was that I didn't I didn't
0:39:36chastise myself for the 20-minute breaks
0:39:38because the hour I'd gotten a lot done
0:39:39and so I was like I'm gonna take a
0:39:42little break and I play the thing until
0:39:44I would hit that point where my brain
0:39:47had turned to mush there wasn't anything
0:39:48else here to find
0:39:51and then I went back and I it really was
0:39:54a a kind of workflow and I wonder if
0:40:00there isn't something there for me to
0:40:02mine you know you're saying there's no
0:40:05reason you can't extend that to your
0:40:06indoor sudo digital life well I'm 22
0:40:10everything to writing songs like work on
0:40:12it for an hour and then go take 20
0:40:14minutes where you do this like where you
0:40:16play minesweeper and then back at it
0:40:19instead of and recognize that the
0:40:23minesweeper playing is also part of the
0:40:25work day it's part of the it's it's an
0:40:28integral part of the hour um here's the
0:40:33one with you yeah oh I'm dying well in
0:40:36the days when I was considered by some
0:40:37to be a Productivity guru I wrote about
0:40:39this and I called it the procrastination
0:40:41dash which is just the idea this is I've
0:40:43since heard this called things like the
0:40:45Pomodoro Technique sure whatever but the
0:40:48basic idea was of my idea was if there's
0:40:50something you've been putting off
0:40:51remember there's light at the end of the
0:40:53tunnel and this could go for anything
0:40:54doesn't have to be something you're
0:40:55procrastinating but like the idea is you
0:40:57spend n minutes working on the thing and
0:41:01then no matter what you stop at the end
0:41:03of those arbitrary and minutes I would
0:41:05say 20 minutes at the end of that 20
0:41:07minutes you take a five-minute break or
0:41:08an ax minute break you decide what the
0:41:10you know the end and the exes but the
0:41:12idea is you build in that like I know
0:41:14I'm only going to have to do this thing
0:41:16for so long and then I'm going to go do
0:41:18this other thing that maybe it's a thing
0:41:20I like or maybe it's a thing that's
0:41:21different but like you know if you try
0:41:23to organize instead of saying I'm going
0:41:25to spend three hours on this if he
0:41:27instead you say I'm going to spend the
0:41:28this number of these 20 minutes cycles
0:41:30on this I think that's I think that's a
0:41:33good way to kind of bang on your brain a
0:41:34little bit and to make it make it
0:41:35totally doable bang on the brain because
0:41:39at least helps you get bang on the brain
0:41:40with a baseball breakup i ended up a
0:41:43yeah you at least you know the the thing
0:41:46is the trick inside the trick the double
0:41:48turns out is that it gets you to work on
0:41:49something you've been procrastinating
0:41:50about putting off for whatever reason
0:41:52because you at least get started the
0:41:53hardest part of anything is getting
0:41:54started and that's all your brain needs
0:41:55to know I'm not going to die if I get
0:41:57started on this the hardest part of
0:41:59breaking up is folgers in your cup right
0:42:01that's the worst part worst part of
0:42:03breaking up is folgers in your cup we've
0:42:05replaced John's Folgers crystals with a
0:42:08Minecraft like game hmm like a new word
0:42:11game I like I should I shouldn't tell
0:42:13you about it well no I would see a word
0:42:16game would be a massive improvement over
0:42:18these like basically as Chris Leak grip
0:42:21games well as Chris camellia once once
0:42:23put it putting away the dishes he's like
0:42:27all these games that you play are just
0:42:28putting away the dishes like I hate
0:42:31really good dishes why would i play one
0:42:33of these games that's just putting away
0:42:34the dishes Oh God and I'm just like
0:42:36putting away anyway putting those issues
0:42:40uh what pop but I've so a word game at
0:42:42least would be using like some other
0:42:45part of so the part of my brain that
0:42:46recognizes letters yeah yeah what is it
0:42:49you really want to know well yes it's
0:42:51called type shift time should one word
0:42:53and type shift you you get this little
0:42:55imagine like a like a little clicky
0:42:59combination lock on a suitcase where you
0:43:00got the little tourney things to fail so
0:43:02basically these letters drop-down and
0:43:04there's several letters in each of
0:43:08however many vertical rows and you move
0:43:11them around to create words and you try
0:43:12and create as many words as you can in a
0:43:15short period of time I'm not really
0:43:16selling it very well but it's a there's
0:43:18several different versions of it inside
0:43:19of the game and it's really fun it's not
0:43:21horribly addictive it's not like that
0:43:22terrible threes game but it is really
0:43:25enjoyable all right well I'll give it a
0:43:28try i usually those games that are like
0:43:30racing with somebody else to come up
0:43:32with many words as you can with four
0:43:33letters hmm aye aye aye mmm it's like
0:43:38people say to me all the time you should
0:43:39come join our trivia game our trivia
0:43:41team our pub trivia team pub trivia tea
0:43:45and I'm like no thank you that just I
0:43:47mean so stressful it does to sit there
0:43:50and be like Oh what was the name of the
0:43:51second Bananarama LP guy guy guy then
0:43:54somebody else has it and you're just
0:43:55like fuck yeah I don't want that I don't
0:43:57want that it right no no no no you don't
0:43:59want that no no no no no I just found
0:44:02I'm sitting here on the table I I was
0:44:06cleaning I was cleaning up I've been
0:44:07moving a lot of stuff to my office
0:44:09moving stuff that I realized doesn't
0:44:10belong in my house shouting office that
0:44:13that causes an unusual mode of thinking
0:44:15I've it really don't you I'm seriously
0:44:17it's a novel way of having to think
0:44:19about your life and how it gets
0:44:21segmented well I mean not just you but
0:44:22anybody else who happens to be involved
0:44:24in your house like how it affects them
0:44:25like this is really need to be here yeah
0:44:27right right like uh like I so I like I
0:44:31like these six boxes of comic books to
0:44:33be at the house but nobody else really
0:44:35needs that yeah I don't really need that
0:44:37no no I my dad went through a long long
0:44:41phase throughout the late 70s thought no
0:44:44no I'm sorry throughout the from about
0:44:4773 if if my research indicates correctly
0:44:51from about 73 to probably 83 my dad fell
0:44:58victim to the disease the mental
0:45:02disorder of thinking that slides were
0:45:06better than Prince all right have we
0:45:09talked about this before he might have
0:45:11been all inherit again well slide slide
0:45:13you get out you get a really
0:45:14high-quality image you get a
0:45:15high-quality image that you can only see
0:45:18projected against the wall of your
0:45:19living room or one of those cool little
0:45:21dinguses we were you stick it into
0:45:22little viewer yeah but who wants to look
0:45:25at pictures that way nobody mean or
0:45:27nobody any more well and who wants to
0:45:29look at the metal right and so my dad
0:45:31took my dad took twenty thousand
0:45:35pictures on slides and then at some
0:45:38point along the way he felt like he
0:45:41needed to have those slides ready to
0:45:43view and so he started buying slide
0:45:47reels the the circular can sort of
0:45:49carousels that's right the like you're
0:45:52like it's a machine gun and he bought I
0:45:56don't know 25 carousels and loaded them
0:46:02with slides and then put them back in
0:46:05the box and I'm sure never looked at
0:46:09them again yeah and so now I inherited
0:46:1225 full carousels whenever we have the
0:46:17same box in our we have a giant giant
0:46:19box of my father-in-law slides in cream
0:46:21sauce yeah
0:46:24was a it was like a weird it was like
0:46:26going to asked it was a it was a
0:46:28collective like what well yeah what do
0:46:31they call that a like a delusion er yeah
0:46:35hysteria or something out and so I have
0:46:38all these slides and I have them here at
0:46:39the house right because pictures belong
0:46:41at the house and then I realized these
0:46:45pictures do not belong at the house
0:46:46these pictures belong at the office and
0:46:48one day and the thing about them is so
0:46:50many of them were like uh well they're
0:46:53constructing the pipeline and my dad got
0:46:56hired by a pipeline service company to
0:47:01provide the framework for like high
0:47:06school equivalency degrees for the guys
0:47:10who were welding the pipe and so my dad
0:47:13goes up he had this kind of thing going
0:47:15on all the time my dad started a
0:47:16university at one point and so he went
0:47:19up uh he went up to the pipeline as it
0:47:23was being built like early 70s and in
0:47:26the style that he had he had his canon
0:47:30ae-1 and he just see seemingly just
0:47:33pointed the camera randomly without
0:47:36looking through them I hold this that's
0:47:38back when you had to kind of tweak a lot
0:47:41of stuff to get a good photo ya know if
0:47:43it was a good photo until you got it
0:47:44developed that's right and so they're
0:47:47all these pictures of light well there's
0:47:50a dirt parking lot full of pipe and
0:47:54there's the back end of a truck and the
0:47:58door of a mobile home oh boy and
0:48:01thinking about this huh and there's the
0:48:04coffee maker inside the mobile home it's
0:48:06very dark it's very dark in there
0:48:09because he didn't adjust the f stops uh
0:48:12so there's the coffee maker I think I
0:48:14can make it out and then there's like
0:48:15three guys standing around in sunglasses
0:48:18that note that he didn't know let alone
0:48:22me today so an AI that did a better job
0:48:25of this well and I know so but that but
0:48:28my disease his disease was that my
0:48:31disease is this is this the disease of
0:48:34here is an envelope of pictures of
0:48:36people you never knew
0:48:38that's your legacy you you have your
0:48:41good steward of that but one day like
0:48:44there aren't that many pictures of the
0:48:47pipeline being built even poorly taken I
0:48:50mean I guess there are probably millions
0:48:53of pictures of the pipeline being built
0:48:54but there aren't pictures of the
0:48:55pipeline being built that are so in
0:48:57artfully done and maybe there's someone
0:49:01out there that's like that's the only
0:49:03extant picture of that particular brand
0:49:06of coffee maker all right no one ever
0:49:08thought to take that picture my dad died
0:49:10a week after that and it's the only
0:49:12photo of him we have from that time yeah
0:49:14that's right okay and is that is that
0:49:16part part of the thinking is like what
0:49:18if this is precious in a way that is not
0:49:20clear from the seemingly useless
0:49:23low-quality nature of it as I understand
0:49:26it yeah like what are you what is this
0:49:28Abby's favorite thing and I just don't
0:49:30know it in the background on one of
0:49:32these photos there's a mound and it
0:49:35turns out 50 years from now someone
0:49:38discovers that that mound is actually an
0:49:40Alaskan pyramid doll yeah and
0:49:44everybody's like wow and suddenly
0:49:48pictures of that Alaskan pyramid
0:49:50accidentally taken in the background of
0:49:52the alyeska pipeline construction
0:49:54company they're like they're crucial
0:49:58evidence I don't it's not like and we
0:50:02commissioned in a court with your
0:50:03carousels clickety-clack your honor your
0:50:06honor it supports out of order and you
0:50:13can't handle the truth I who are you sir
0:50:17what what I need to do is set this set a
0:50:20slide projector up and sit in my
0:50:24darkened office and watch these slides
0:50:27and take the few out that mean anything
0:50:30but then you have four slides with no
0:50:35context that at some point in your life
0:50:38you thought meant something and you took
0:50:41them out of their context and then
0:50:43forever forever after they are rootless
0:50:46meaning just floating nothing you're the
0:50:49memories
0:50:50Yeah right and then the rest of the
0:50:53slides are what what are they they're
0:50:56just like camp fire starters or you send
0:50:58them to Goodwill and some a deist buys
0:51:01them like I keep imagining that they're
0:51:03artists out there mm-hmm and I don't
0:51:06even know if there are but there used to
0:51:09be artists out there that would go
0:51:11thrift stores and buy old photographs
0:51:13until there was such a glut of old
0:51:15photographs that whoever those artists
0:51:17were they did all their art there's
0:51:19nobody out there making art of old
0:51:20peoples you know prom photos and all
0:51:24those websites they're like that is if
0:51:26only I had more photos of a mobile home
0:51:28door I have a full concept of these odds
0:51:33that I'm making from Zesco pipeline call
0:51:37it pour tous and I and so what are they
0:51:41yeah right collective memory but they're
0:51:44not useful we have you know we have
0:51:47every like peggy sue got married is all
0:51:49we need to know about the 50s why do I
0:51:52need what is essentially a 500-person
0:51:56haircut like repositories that's all it
0:52:00is just like well here's some haircuts
0:52:02right this guy had a different haircut
0:52:04than that guy like here they are not in
0:52:06the five-person what is it if I person
0:52:08found a person haircut or a repository
0:52:12sorry save it as a photos of the
0:52:13haircuts or you're saving the clipped
0:52:15hair no I don't have access to their
0:52:17hair but about one you know one day
0:52:19people be like now hot I know that I
0:52:21know how like the fonz were here but I
0:52:24secular guy wear his hair right but but
0:52:28if you wanted to do that you'd go to the
0:52:30library or the thrift store and buy all
0:52:33the yearbooks and you'd have them all
0:52:36there in a book these are all basically
0:52:38yearbook photos of the van wert high
0:52:40school class of nineteen fifty why do
0:52:43you need those there's a year for those
0:52:46anyway the only reason to keep them is
0:52:49that you're an artist or that you know
0:52:50an artist or that you believe there are
0:52:52artists still who do collage work
0:52:55collage artists sure multimedia your
0:52:59problem out of business when you sort
0:53:01those slides who knows what you're doing
0:53:02to the the collage industry
0:53:04that's right that's right it's hard you
0:53:07know and you it'sit's you know when I've
0:53:09tried to do cleanups in the past I found
0:53:11a lot of resistance to getting started I
0:53:13found it very painful at first but the
0:53:16feeling I inevitably almost inevitable
0:53:18inevitably get to is oh my god I really
0:53:21probably could have just thrown almost
0:53:23all of this away sight unseen but I
0:53:26didn't you know how you get sorted it
0:53:28got you know triaged but like you know
0:53:30when you're done you have a lot less
0:53:33stuff than you started with and you
0:53:34sometimes I feel a quickening or I'm
0:53:35like oh god give me more now I want to
0:53:38especially player got it called a holler
0:53:39you know dump guy or something like that
0:53:41like I really want this to be worth the
0:53:43money and the time I want to fill that
0:53:45man's white truck with Kipple well and
0:53:48that happened to me yesterday I got a
0:53:50big box and I was like all this stuff's
0:53:51going to the office and I started
0:53:53throwing shoeboxes full of wall warts
0:53:56and quarter into hable con and old
0:53:59guitar picks and and weird like ah and
0:54:02I'm throwing it all in this box and if
0:54:04it had been a dumpster I would have been
0:54:07fine hmm like if it had been a dumpster
0:54:09I never would have thought of these
0:54:10things again but as it is i'm going to
0:54:11take it to my office and I'm gonna go
0:54:13through i'm gonna put all the quarter
0:54:14inch cables and this and i put all the
0:54:16broken pics in that and and it should
0:54:19have just been it could have been a hole
0:54:20in the earth and I should remember that
0:54:23I should remember that that you know as
0:54:25soon as you start hucking it into that
0:54:26guy's white truck just this fill that
0:54:29truck up you know like that's best gift
0:54:31you can give yourself if you got the
0:54:32space to have it there for a few days is
0:54:34rent yourself a three yard dumpster oh
0:54:36good well I've been involved without
0:54:39saying too much I've been involved in
0:54:40things that involved having to go
0:54:42through a lot of things very quickly in
0:54:43a difficult way and I will just say that
0:54:46my one bulwark against madness was the
0:54:48ability to whip something through the
0:54:50air toward a very very large target and
0:54:52know that I wouldn't look at it again
0:54:54and you know it's bad about you don't be
0:54:56precious you know to disassemble
0:54:57anything you just draw it into the three
0:54:59yard dumpster and it goes away but it's
0:55:02there for a few days in case oh nice
0:55:06three yard dumpster I'm looking at some
0:55:07here these are nice you actually buy one
0:55:09of these you on you got the flip up top
0:55:10you probably got a dual flip up top but
0:55:12I'm just get a little door you can go in
0:55:13through the little door if you're not
0:55:14going there and like you have lunch or
0:55:15something
0:55:16but I I think that's a big difference I
0:55:18mean I'm I don't mean to be accidentally
0:55:20reverting to my former retired career
0:55:23but like I think there's a big
0:55:25difference if you if you go into a
0:55:27situation where you need to clean stuff
0:55:28out and you brought like a single
0:55:30Chinese food takeout bag that the
0:55:33results are going to be very different
0:55:34than if you had brought a 13 gallon
0:55:36hefty bag will be very different than if
0:55:39you had brought a giant contractor bag
0:55:40will be very different here's a big one
0:55:43contractor bag in a big hefty like clean
0:55:48up after a party size because you don't
0:55:51have to you your goal is just fill I
0:55:54want to see as many black contractor
0:55:56bags at the end of the day as possible
0:55:57mm-hmm you know I mean setting aside
0:55:59being green and stuff whatever that's
0:56:00fine but like if you've really got to do
0:56:02that you don't want to feel constrained
0:56:04by like which one should I put this in
0:56:05is this the USB cables i save which is
0:56:10the USB cable they donate i somehow in
0:56:16here and i thought it might have come
0:56:18from you there was a brand new mostly
0:56:23unused or i guess that's the definition
0:56:26of brand-new that was a redundancy no
0:56:28one of those plug your computer in
0:56:32direct to the modem with a cable what is
0:56:34that called hot cable or me talking
0:56:37about a hot cable and pancake table yeah
0:56:40if your cabling you want to kick it
0:56:42table cable yeah right so it was a hot
0:56:44cable you don't throw that out that's
0:56:45brand new and unused that is wasteful
0:56:48200 feet long what Oh Ethan net cable
0:56:51yeah yeah cuz one time you need to run
0:56:54ethernet way way way up to like the
0:56:56second floor right but this was 200 feet
0:56:58this could go over to my neighbor's
0:57:00house sure and giving player could make
0:57:03a little house out of it yeah and I was
0:57:05like what the how would I ever like this
0:57:09is something that you know that
0:57:10sometimes you know one of the great
0:57:11things about you Merlin is that
0:57:12sometimes you're just like oh that's a
0:57:14good idea and you push it you push the
0:57:16button on amazon and it shows up at my
0:57:18house king yeah and i'm like wow this
0:57:21thing you know it's like cabled like a
0:57:23like an anchor chain on a ship
0:57:25and I was like what am I going to do
0:57:28this it's like heavy to pick up and but
0:57:31it it was unused and it seemed eminently
0:57:33useful what if I want a hot cable into
0:57:36something and then I realized it needs
0:57:39to go to the it means to go to Goodwill
0:57:40somebody is going to want to run
0:57:42internet to their friend's house and
0:57:43this is the thing they're going to
0:57:45string it up through the trees like
0:57:46Christmas lights mm-hmm and it's gonna
0:57:48bring internet to the world could be
0:57:50there could be a collage artist who's
0:57:53recently decided to go digital and need
0:57:55a way to get it after their tree house
0:57:56where they like to put their collages
0:57:58together you're affording that the one
0:58:01thing I was worried about is if I had
0:58:03used it was my IP address in there still
0:58:06a lot of your data is probably still in
0:58:07that pipe yeah should I have deleted it
0:58:09or you want to reset the firmware on it
0:58:12and reflash it right anyone it like a
0:58:14tooth these squeeze it real hard to get
0:58:15the last little bits up because a lot of
0:58:17the special characters at that point
0:58:19will be out but a lot of the lowercase
0:58:21letters and numbers will still be in
0:58:23there you don't want them I know we're
0:58:25all very worried about hackers and
0:58:26hacking hacking hacker hacker Stan
0:58:29mm-hmm and and I know the hackers for
0:58:34macro standard like some of them are the
0:58:36worst they create all those BOTS they
0:58:38call it and so I'm sure I was just
0:58:40worried like about all this stuff all
0:58:41these USB cables and wall warts and
0:58:43stuff whether there's like oh yeah I
0:58:45know in this apparently there's so much
0:58:47stuff I need to throw out I flick need
0:58:48to go like full-on mr. robot and like
0:58:50drill through old hard drives and throw
0:58:52it into a crematorium or something
0:58:53mm-hmm that's so mr. robot oh my god
0:58:57yeah I right up here I I have two mini
0:59:01well here's the other thing i bought at
0:59:04your recommendation many years ago yeah
0:59:06i like how much this comes back to me
0:59:09well this is sense where since we're on
0:59:11the opportunity bring it up no since
0:59:15we're on a run where you're revisiting
0:59:16your your career as a former executive
0:59:19sales person hello uh-uh-uh who talked
0:59:23into his shoe phone that's fine i was
0:59:26Merlin man you remember that I figured
0:59:29we'd go all the way back to when I
0:59:31bought one of those tiny little video
0:59:33cameras that was called a flip
0:59:35oh great cameras I love my flip camera I
0:59:38had three of them I loved him well yeah
0:59:40well yeah right and so I bought one cuz
0:59:42I was like clip 1 i'm joining the flip
0:59:44revolution hosted that most of the best
0:59:47video we have of my daughter was with
0:59:49the flip phone cuz it was there was zero
0:59:51resistance he would just whip it out and
0:59:52hit the button that's all there was it's
0:59:54even easier than with an iphone
0:59:55certainly not as good video but like one
0:59:57night we this is really lame but one
0:59:59night
0:59:59night
1:00:00it occurred to me that my daughter will
1:00:02not always be washed in a bucket for the
1:00:03rest of her life and when she was an
1:00:05infant we shot the entire bath all the
1:00:07way up to getting her ready for bedtime
1:00:08and i'm so glad I've got it oh yeah yeah
1:00:11I know but that but I would have done
1:00:13that if I had to go well let me go get
1:00:15the handycam and make sure it doesn't
1:00:17have days of our lives on it but then
1:00:19something happened just as I was getting
1:00:22into my flip as I got something
1:00:24something in the mail some the
1:00:26registered letter that was like we're no
1:00:27longer supporting the flip platform and
1:00:30then it always did letter about that
1:00:32yeah and then it all went to it all went
1:00:34poof in a day like it couldn't there
1:00:36wasn't what was it the hot plug didn't
1:00:38work anymore no idea it's not be stopped
1:00:40pancaking under relevant environmental
1:00:42resources so you plug it in and it would
1:00:46just say air or air or air or that's
1:00:49that's a goddamn shame mine are still
1:00:50sitting there in the closet I want I had
1:00:52one and then I got the upgraded one one
1:00:55of them broke about another so I've got
1:00:56a total of three and III think you can
1:00:58still pop it in and get your stuff off
1:01:00it I think really yeah that you still
1:01:03got you still got a computer that has a
1:01:05USB port on it so you'll be good to
1:01:06guess yes I do boy you know that you're
1:01:09gonna love the next time you need to get
1:01:10a Mac are you post USB I have a laptop
1:01:14that has a headphone jack and exactly
1:01:18one port on it so but it's not it's not
1:01:21a port that I've ever used in my life so
1:01:23it's an entire new world of dongles for
1:01:25me and what kind of port isn't it's
1:01:28called a USB see oh and approximately
1:01:32just if you eyeballed it it would look
1:01:33pretty much like the what's called
1:01:37lightning cable for your phones about
1:01:39that size but it's not that size hmm and
1:01:42so when you say dongles what how do you
1:01:46get stuff on a dongle well that means
1:01:49that like you know if you're like most
1:01:51of the planet and you've got lots of
1:01:53stuff that's the kind of classic USB
1:01:55little boxy shape like you need the most
1:01:58basic one I've got one where I've this
1:02:00is really boring but you plug in the
1:02:02dingus I've got a thing that's a little
1:02:04hub so you put a USB hub the mail guy
1:02:08goes into your math
1:02:09and then you use a cord cable to power
1:02:12that device and that gives you three
1:02:15like USB 3 i'm picturing this and it's
1:02:18box making me so hot mmhmm yeah but no
1:02:21but if you want to have Ethernet know
1:02:22who has ethernet anymore why would
1:02:24anybody need that you want to don't USB
1:02:26thumb drives what yeah you need
1:02:28something like that no no you don't need
1:02:29that stuff so how long will we be able
1:02:32to traffic in vintage computers until
1:02:35they no longer work um you know there's
1:02:38always going to be people who are
1:02:39interested in old computers but unless
1:02:41it's in really good condition sort of
1:02:43like comic books like nobody nobody
1:02:44wants a busted-ass comic book but I mean
1:02:46if I went if I went on the internet
1:02:48right now and i bought a very good
1:02:50quality high quality computer from just
1:02:54the most recent future where it still
1:02:56had ports would i be able to you would
1:03:00that be useful to me how long how long
1:03:04would it do you say yeah how long i mean
1:03:06i'm considering getting a getting a
1:03:08desktop but i don't want to go all the
1:03:11way in right this thing where the
1:03:12desktop is just like a it's just like a
1:03:14cue ball that pulses that i know i
1:03:17understand you don't want that you don't
1:03:19like a Logan's Run computer well I would
1:03:20be remiss I will be I will be
1:03:22reprimanded via text message by John
1:03:23Cirque you see if I don't advise you
1:03:25that yes I can help you with this this
1:03:27is not the perfect time to do that but
1:03:28it won't will become soon but if it's a
1:03:31sound like you're talking about a
1:03:33desktop with a laptop in some ways the
1:03:36the thing that's inevitably going to go
1:03:38is the battery because the battery can
1:03:40only do so many charges and and the
1:03:42capacity goes down and down much like
1:03:44the human mind what would still be
1:03:46useful if you buy oh you bought a
1:03:47typical mac laptop today you will pretty
1:03:51definitely it's like buying a Toyota
1:03:53like it's not fancy but it'll be fine
1:03:55you know in Toyota runs for 300,000
1:03:57miles well yeah it's honestly like I my
1:03:59last laptop which I finally retired I
1:04:02bought in 2010 which is like a million
1:04:05years ago in laptop years but if you
1:04:07want if you bought a laptop today and
1:04:09it's not the greatest time to buy land
1:04:11it's not a good time to buy anything but
1:04:13an ipad right now so if you did do that
1:04:16and you know the one I got my laptop was
1:04:18very inexpensive as laptops go well do
1:04:21you know but you don't want that it's
1:04:22only got one port
1:04:23but if you wanted a laptop you could get
1:04:26like a refurbished macbook pro that
1:04:28still got a lot of miles on the tires
1:04:30and it's not as costly as long as a
1:04:33computer with a quarter inch in yep
1:04:36quarter inch cable if you get a high of
1:04:38a hot pan cake it you want to be able to
1:04:40have you in a flapjack your uh your
1:04:42bandwidth mm-hmm you would have a
1:04:44quarter inch cable I want to I want a
1:04:46three quarter three and a quarter inch
1:04:49floppy drive oh I still sure you much
1:04:53for your work I still have a lot of
1:04:55floppies that have stuff on them l me
1:04:59too i'm not sure what is on the floppies
1:05:02and it might be like i had this terrible
1:05:04i had this terrible thing when my dad
1:05:07was moving out of his his final
1:05:11apartment my siblings were all there all
1:05:13my useless siblings and and and my very
1:05:18useful sister was not there that it was
1:05:21just me and the useless ones yeah and we
1:05:23were going through his house there like
1:05:24alice is garbage and he had some it
1:05:28wasn't even a dell it was like a pattern
1:05:31are compounding or some yanika gateway a
1:05:33gateway it was some kind of pc that he
1:05:36used to sit and you know hunt and peck
1:05:39emails to me that were like John I hope
1:05:42you're fine you know um fuck you love
1:05:48dad and so he was the shooter a lot
1:05:53stronger when the center that here was
1:05:56this computer and I was like get that
1:05:57out of here that nobody's ever gonna use
1:05:59that and then like six years later i SAT
1:06:02up in bed in the middle of the night in
1:06:03a cold sweat and I was like oh what if
1:06:06he was secretly writing his memoirs oh
1:06:08Jesus you don't need that in your head
1:06:11IVF that whole time he had been secretly
1:06:15tapping away and then in 72 i bought the
1:06:20pair of plaid pants that i would wear to
1:06:22court every time for the next 14 years
1:06:25has a lot of theoretical responsibility
1:06:30John yep yep so I so I had to say like
1:06:34well I
1:06:36he had been doing that it would have
1:06:39been very hard to it would have been
1:06:40unreadable because he didn't know how to
1:06:42type so good all right good off your
1:06:45plate vaya con Dios intimate are the
1:06:48three yard dumpsters I don't like things
1:06:51I wrote and things that I drew this is
1:06:54before they invented minna de internet
1:06:56pornography I mean for the you know men
1:06:58of the Internet really so you were
1:07:00drawing your drawing naked picture yes
1:07:02it there in Mac Paint Megan Megan dicks
1:07:04I I actually thought about that the
1:07:13other day there was a time in I don't
1:07:17know eighth grade maybe where I SAT and
1:07:19drew dirty pictures sure I I made some
1:07:24very anatomically incorrect vaginas in
1:07:26my dad and I had a junt it looked like
1:07:29it looked like somebody dropped a mango
1:07:30I have these dirty pictures that I drew
1:07:33of like people having sex as I imagined
1:07:37it sure and I used to hide them I would
1:07:41roll the dirty pictures up that I had
1:07:43drawn into a lamp I hid them inside a
1:07:47lamp that's good spy craft yeah yeah
1:07:50yeah who's gonna look inside the lamp no
1:07:52one and the lamps of that family of lamp
1:07:57have stayed with me unto the present day
1:08:00and I was walking through the house and
1:08:03I looked at all I looked at one of these
1:08:04lamps and I was like wait a minute no
1:08:08that's the lamp that I hid the dirty
1:08:10pictures oh no but I didn't open it
1:08:14mm-hmm I looked at it and I was like
1:08:17legal if there if I if there are
1:08:21long-lost dirty pictures in that lamp
1:08:23and then I just walked yeah i just
1:08:24walked now just like you should at least
1:08:26document it's sort of like that that
1:08:28Nicolas Cage movie where they find you
1:08:31know the the what is it the declaration
1:08:33of independence has a treasure map on it
1:08:35Oh shouldn't you leave a clue say here's
1:08:37the places to look for my hand-drawn
1:08:39pornography I mean this is part of your
1:08:40legacy make it easy for others i'm
1:08:43wondering i mean if i if i pulled it out
1:08:45i would probably want to take pictures
1:08:46of it and put it on
1:08:47instagram and then those who get flagged
1:08:49i might get banned no ban hammer you can
1:08:51yeah yeah and there's lot in pencil too
1:08:54so I don't know they're degrading every
1:08:56day I guess I guess they're on notebook
1:08:58paper in pencil oh god I cannot I cannot
1:09:01remember I one of the first things that
1:09:04ever happened when I turned on my IBM
1:09:0864k pc with dual disc drives and booted
1:09:14up word star and started to learn how to
1:09:17use word star you learn all the hot key
1:09:20commands or though what were they they
1:09:23weren't hot key they were like they were
1:09:25the commands you did in basic right not
1:09:27sure that would give you italics or your
1:09:31what capital letters even um but so I'm
1:09:36sitting there in basehor and the thing
1:09:37is my mom got me this computer she
1:09:39worked in computers and she was like
1:09:40this will help you with your homework
1:09:41because back then they were selling
1:09:43these 64k computers like manage your
1:09:46finances with our new financial med
1:09:49which is still how they're selling
1:09:50computers let me on yeah true nobody
1:09:53does it nobody manages their finances
1:09:55let's just say full stop nobody manages
1:09:57their finances at all it's like cutting
1:09:58the ends off the roast it's little talk
1:10:00about nobody does it nobody does mm-hmm
1:10:02but I don't search s book give me a
1:10:04break who did that once your checkbook
1:10:07what are you a Boeing engineer yeah come
1:10:10on they get this guy over here I hadn't
1:10:11i balanced the checkbook since uh since
1:10:14nevermind was out I I got it I got a
1:10:16message on facebook the other day from a
1:10:21gal that I had not thought of in a long
1:10:23long time who was married to a friend of
1:10:26mine and it was not a private message it
1:10:29was just a post on my page shot on your
1:10:32wall Jon on my wall this stuff walls on
1:10:35facebook I'm not sure I go there once a
1:10:37week but there's a post on my wall and
1:10:39it said hey John I found these old tapes
1:10:43in some guy was clearing out his
1:10:46basement so he didn't say some guy he
1:10:49said Chris was cleaning out his basement
1:10:51and he found these tapes because he's
1:10:54moving to Uzbekistan and he brought them
1:10:57by my house and I have them
1:10:59and I I still have an a damn machine
1:11:02that I dug up out of the basement and I
1:11:04listened to the tapes and I think you
1:11:06would like them I don't know how to use
1:11:10email all right and what did he say I
1:11:14don't know so he was writing from his
1:11:18wife's account soon and he said call me
1:11:23and he just put his phone number out
1:11:25there on my page 44 God and everybody to
1:11:28see and this guy is a is a fellow like a
1:11:33like a maybe a senior fellow or some
1:11:37kind of fellow an associate fellow at
1:11:40bowen like he sits at Boeing all day in
1:11:44designs he thinks my thoughts hyperspace
1:11:47airplanes and stuff and he doesn't know
1:11:50how to communicate with me anyway other
1:11:52than by using his wife's facebook
1:11:54account to post on my wall and put his
1:11:57phone number there what like he he's
1:11:59like I don't know how to text I don't
1:12:01know how to private message I don't know
1:12:03how to do any of these things like he
1:12:05works deeply embedded in technology as
1:12:09an engineer says his wife is his like
1:12:11tech rabbi he whoa that's sick of
1:12:15interesting because he's siloed over
1:12:17here in this crazy autocad world and he
1:12:22never ever ever did the like internet
1:12:25thing but i mean on the this is a little
1:12:27flimsy but it feels like a veteran auto
1:12:31mechanic who doesn't know how to drive
1:12:32mm-hmm you know well you know he doesn't
1:12:37he lives across the street from the plan
1:12:38he never needed to learn how to drive
1:12:40that's good for you I mean that we think
1:12:43of the internet as being computers and
1:12:46science but you remember that moment in
1:12:491994 I mean I remember when my friend
1:12:52Phil Ellis was like I'm on the internet
1:12:53we were like what's that he said well
1:12:56watch okay I'm gonna send this myth this
1:12:59message to a guy in Georgia and when we
1:13:02come back here in six hours that'll be a
1:13:04reply from him and we were like no get
1:13:08out of here and we all stood around and
1:13:10watch these two guys have this super
1:13:11boring converse
1:13:12that laughs you know over the course of
1:13:14weeks it was like that's amazing but but
1:13:17my friend Ian did not find it that
1:13:19amazing and so didn't pursue it and I
1:13:22think probably within Boeing there's
1:13:24your even dis incentivized to log on to
1:13:28the outside world from inside your ear
1:13:32secrétaire point that's interesting
1:13:34yeah okay like you're in the skiff right
1:13:37yeah you're in the skiff yeah you're in
1:13:39there with your you're with your
1:13:41building blocks and you're building
1:13:42super space aircraft button if you need
1:13:44to i mean i bet you those guys still
1:13:47wheel a cart down to the library mm-hmm
1:13:50like the boeing library may pull big
1:13:52dusty tomes off the wall and what they
1:13:54do I hope they do that's a nice image
1:13:56there are people there that worked at
1:13:58Boeing for 50 years from a time when
1:14:01they were building airplanes out of
1:14:03balsa wood well all by way of saying
1:14:07when I first SAT the tapes before he
1:14:10goes to was it was Becca Stan well so
1:14:13though this is the other thing this guy
1:14:15Chris that he's talking about Oh Chris
1:14:18found these tapes and he brought him
1:14:19over I'm like Chris who are you talking
1:14:23about Ian I haven't talked to you in 20
1:14:26years hydro Chris's mm-hmm and then i
1:14:29SAT and thought and I was like a dad
1:14:31tapes a tad tapes Chris Chris ah chris
1:14:36is the guy with the rooster and the El
1:14:39Camino you're kidding Chris was rooster
1:14:43El Camino dude who has the a dat tapes
1:14:47right in his basement for all this time
1:14:51starting together ever since rooster El
1:14:53Camino days yeah and Ian in talks about
1:14:58him like he's somebody that he and I
1:15:00were just chatting about I'm the only
1:15:02person who doesn't remember yet let
1:15:06alone talk to everyone they ever knew
1:15:08cuz I was like oh yeah an old Chris I'm
1:15:09like what what Chris when who like I
1:15:13feel like yes you and I have met but
1:15:14whoo-hoo and you still talk and like
1:15:17what do you get wings it's like I feel
1:15:19so out of the loop well yeah and IAM
1:15:21doesn't even know how to use computers
1:15:23or his own phone how is he still in
1:15:26touch
1:15:26with Chris like Chris el camino del
1:15:31Camino rooster yeah how are they how is
1:15:34how did Chris get in touch with him like
1:15:36if Chris was thinking oh somebody from
1:15:39the bun family players needs to come to
1:15:41get these tapes like he would presumably
1:15:45be able to find me pretty easily but no
1:15:48it's ian ian is his point of contact and
1:15:50it makes it all the more amazing that
1:15:51the connection happened well so i am
1:15:55gonna figure out a way to be a tap
1:15:58multi-tracks of the blood family players
1:16:00playing you know a protic proto versions
1:16:04of love our like weird weird tunes weird
1:16:07tracks mmm another another another big
1:16:11pile and media for John yeah there it is
1:16:13what's what I need is a bunch of boxes
1:16:15of a duct tapes and all the end of da
1:16:17dat machines that he is like well while
1:16:18you're here why don't you just take all
1:16:20this stuff but remember carousels
1:16:21somewhere out there I think in in my
1:16:29office now is a box that has I swear to
1:16:33you my 64k IBM PC what and somewhere
1:16:37there is a box of floppy disks and what
1:16:44what got me off on this was after i did
1:16:47a couple of reports for school on this
1:16:49and printed them out on my little dot
1:16:52matrix printer i was sitting in the
1:16:54basement one night working on something
1:16:56and i closed it and i opened a new file
1:16:59and i started typing a sex story i was
1:17:04like she came in to the room and he was
1:17:07there and there was a red Corvette
1:17:09parked in the driveway and they laura
1:17:11deluxe Lord delights and he took off his
1:17:16elaborate hat and he's fine it's peachy
1:17:22showed her boob and he he was very very
1:17:27very interested in her boob and looked
1:17:30at it very closely and she let him and
1:17:33then she didn't seem to mind and I was
1:17:37so
1:17:38I was so turned on by my own writing as
1:17:41I was putting it down like oh my god
1:17:43this is a lot teenagers brain is the
1:17:46biggest sex organ yeah and I couldn't
1:17:48like now I can't even put myself into I
1:17:51mean I don't know I haven't sat at my
1:17:52computer for a long time and been like
1:17:53her boobs worse you could see them and
1:17:57she didn't care they were both there
1:17:59good to see him and she said look at
1:18:03those and I was like mad and I took my
1:18:06big hat off and I say I'm gonna just do
1:18:10that then may I hang up your cape she
1:18:13said girlishly and then her dragon her
1:18:17pet dragon wet her I know nothing like
1:18:20me don't ya DNA she said cook Ashley she
1:18:27was dressed like the girl on the cover
1:18:29of heavy metal the movies and then she
1:18:31had a boob out and then the other boob
1:18:33yeah two of them haha that's hot so and
1:18:39the reason I think I still have that 64k
1:18:41IBM pc with dual disc drives is that at
1:18:44some point because I used it all the way
1:18:45through college other kids had computers
1:18:48that had color screens and uh if not
1:18:53mice then we have some kind of motion
1:18:57gesturing device yeah you get that nice
1:18:59laptop with a little red nipple hunted a
1:19:01lot of people had those yeah and I still
1:19:03had this this computer 64 entire k and
1:19:06we had we were way ahead of the curve in
1:19:09nineteen eighty or 81 because we got the
1:19:12orange colored screen instead of the
1:19:14green screen oh nice I still have this
1:19:18stuff and I think at some point in 95 my
1:19:21mom said well that's probably gonna be
1:19:23worth money someday and I said I don't
1:19:25think so mom it's covered with Rainier
1:19:27beer stickers it's not like it's not a
1:19:30it's not pristine she was like oh you
1:19:33know that's what we said about the 56
1:19:35Chrysler 300 I was like hmm but anyway I
1:19:40still have it if anybody's interested
1:19:41contact me CZ info at the long winters
1:19:46com yep yeah that's the policy two in
1:19:49one out
1:19:50boobs all right