187: ‘Forget About Frodo and Sam’, With Special Guest MG Siegler
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in the old days if if I were going to
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have a show it would be we would have to
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be together you'd have to be like in the
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studio with me and you would think i
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would i would supply comfortable chairs
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for my guests and you you know i feel
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like forcing guests to you skype is like
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you get like a folding chair that that
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was that was outside and as like rains
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come on it you know yeah uh yeah it's
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nice to be on again oh I I there's a
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couple of things we have to talk about I
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guess so as always stuff to talk about
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but what there's a couple of recent
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posts that you've had on your 500 ich
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werde site is that what it's called and
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no that's the domain yep five hundreds
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yeah um but you wrote about the the end
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of virgin virgin america yep can you
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summarize this and then again you even
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it's a perfect piece I will put it in
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the Xolos but it is perfect insofar as
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you admit that virgin america only flew
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between a very small number of cities
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right so there's a large number of
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people who if you don't live in San
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Francisco LA or New York you probably
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haven't flown virgin right and and so
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yeah so basically you know I'm assuming
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it by this point because it's been been
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up like a month or so everyone knows
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that Alaska Airlines bought virgin
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america and as a part of that you know
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they sort of did this whole big branding
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thing certainly around San Francisco and
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I assume other cities in which virgin
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operates or it's sort of like the Alaska
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plus virgin equals love you know type
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Brit side marketing campaign and because
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obviously people were worried when
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someone else bought virgin america that
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there would be you know would be the end
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of virgin america and they were trying
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to sort of play it up no this is just
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going to make both sides even better and
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then whenever it was a few weeks ago
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they of course announced that they're
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going to be shutting down the Virgin
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America brand entirely and you know
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basically merging the planes and in sort
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of merging all into one entity which of
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course I'm sure makes sense for the
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bottom line that's the reason why
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they're doing it for cost efficiencies
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but yeah I mean so people who don't live
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in one of the city's at virgin
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services which is I'm not even sure what
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the current number is but let's say it's
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10 maybe 12 or something like that it's
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not very many still started in San
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Francisco the company was was
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headquarters here obviously was famously
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you know started out of Richard
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Branson's Virgin Group and so people who
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don't live in one of those 10 to 15
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whatever it is now cities you know sort
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of don't really understand why people
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who to live in one of those cities and
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take virgin regularly are sort of upset
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about this and the best push back what I
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found most amusing was on Twitter you
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know basically saying but Alaska
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Airlines is such a great airline to and
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you know I've been on Alaska certainly
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any flight that goes to sort of the
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Pacific Northwest and you know that's
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sort of one of the common carriers and
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it's fine it's a nice airline you know
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it's not United sure we get like with
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that in a second but it's it's fine but
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it's not virgin america you have to be
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on a virgin america plane to know what
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that's like i mean if you think back to
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when it when it started whenever that
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was several years back you know the fact
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that they were all sort of new planes
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the basic thing that i highlighted it
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you know in that in that post is i think
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people don't understand like you got a
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level of consistency flying virgin
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america that you don't get with any
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other airline because it's a total
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crapshoot with you're gonna get an old
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rickety plane whether you're gonna get
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one with like you know still cigarette
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uh yes praise you know sticker this just
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do not use under federal law yes and
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with virgins sort of because it was you
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know a newer airline they had all the
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same i think it was a a380 planes known
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a three it is the big one whatever the
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whatever the airbus a321 i could might
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be that yeah maybe there's one of those
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you know there's sort of standard in
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smaller airbus flood plains and so they
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were all that they all had Wi-Fi which
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at the time you know was was a novelty
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certainly they all had those televisions
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in the screen backs not just in first
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class or anything at all the screens all
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the seats sorry had that and you had a
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very consistent experience you knew if
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you're getting on a virgin america
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flight it was more likely to be a good
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flight i mean i'm sure there you know
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everyone will have a horse story about
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every airline but it's not like it's not
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like you hear about united and delta
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and some of the other ones that are just
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you know constantly a crummy experience
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this was this was a definitely a notch
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above we had them in philly until about
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two years ago and we lost them we lost
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virgin during the in aftermath of the
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American oh the merger usair merger I've
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told this story before but long story
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short it's very simple when when US air
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an American proposed merging one of the
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problem areas was that it gave the
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combined airline too many gates at JFK
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in New York that the eft are the Federal
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Aviation there's some kind of limit to
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the percentage of gates that any one
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airline can have it any Airport and US
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air and American both had a big presence
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at JFK and it was too many gates so they
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had to get rid of some of the gates and
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virgin decided they would rather take
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more gates at JFK but leave Philly
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entirely but and they couldn't keep both
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because one of the problems of being an
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airline is it's really hard to get more
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planes I mean it sounds silly because
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you think like oh you just buy you know
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call Boeing up and buy a plane the way
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right you know I mean like if you and I
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bought a start at a moving company and
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and it took off and we needed more
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trucks we could just go buy more trucks
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right that's not a problem but in
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aviation it's a you know you gotta like
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order an airplane like couple years in
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advance right now such a long lead time
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so and so I've been off virgin for a
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while but I still get the emails like I
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got the email the other day from Alaska
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telling me not to worry my points are
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okay and it's right yeah well I mean
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we'll see of course you know Alaska's
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trying to say all the right things you
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know in there in the sort of press
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statement about it they said we're going
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to be sort of bringing the Virgin
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experience to Alaska flights and so
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including the humorous a bit about there
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being mood lighting you know that's one
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of the that's like the thing they
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decided to focus on because virgin
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america sort of famously has this this
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purple hued mood lighting and so Alaska
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is going to do that but they're going to
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have blue mood lighting so it will be
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it'll be not the exact same but it will
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be almost as good and we'll see I mean
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you know they said that that basically
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nothing was going to change and then of
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course everything's changing so you know
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don't have a lot of a lot of hope for it
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remaining as it was
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the good news if there is like you know
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slight good news it's going to take them
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a long time to sort of phase in and out
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those changes and so virgin will remain
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operating for for I think at least like
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a year maybe a couple years something
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like that but yeah it'll be it'll be a
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big change in and as we're seeing this
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week with the the airline industry this
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is sort of par for the course just doing
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anything to to screw over customers I
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think they only had two or three gates
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in Philly so it wasn't a lot of flights
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it wasn't a big presence and it was a
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small desk for check-in you knows I
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usually like to people so it's not a
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fair comparison to like American which
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dominates Philly um but II every time I
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every time I could fly virgin I did and
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I you know they had a great nonstop
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service between philly and san francisco
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which was it you know does a very common
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flight for me for further work every
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time i could i did and i never once had
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to wait like that it's just little
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things like that the people at the desk
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were like super efficient and nice and
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you'd get up there and they would be
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like hey you know and then you'd give
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him your ID and then they'd you know
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take your bag if you had a bag to check
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her or give you it you know and you were
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gone that was it and you only had no
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lines a never and good service on the
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plane my favorite story about virgin was
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one time also i used to get I got the
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cheapest upgrades to first-class I don't
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understand they only had the way every
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plane I they're probably all the same
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they only had like eight first class
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seats it was like to Rosa too young or
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they still do I guess and every almost
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every time I flew I could get an upgrade
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from Coach to first class for like a
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hundred bucks and I'd be like they're in
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general the first guy seats I mean
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weren't super expensive when you compare
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it to what they are on other airlines so
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yeah I I flew first class on virgin as a
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percentage higher than anywhere else and
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it wasn't because i had the point it was
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because it was so cheap to upgrade and
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the service was super terrific the seats
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were super comfortable but one time I
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was up in first class and we actually
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pulled away from the gate a little bit
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and then all of a sudden there was some
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kind of not another unpleasant commotion
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but like some kind of you know thing
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with the phone and
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hey hey let's go back and they went back
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to the gate and some poor sap who had a
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connecting flight that was late they
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went back to the gate I'd say it set us
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back about three minutes they went back
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to the gate and let this guy on the
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plane and this bow this guy looked like
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he won the lottery because you know he
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didn't ever hear about that I've never
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seen it before I mean maybe I've never
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seen it before because i wasn't in first
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class but i mean i think even in
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coaching to kind of tell ya if the I've
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never seen that if the plane stops
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backing up and goes for her again uh it
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was a nice thing and I was at before cuz
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at three minutes what's the difference
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the three minutes and coming out of it
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was it coming back from SFO to Philly
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and so you're probably going to wait
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times avoiding to take off anyway but
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for that poor guy who almost missed his
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flight uh they just it was you know
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thousands of dollars and happiness for
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that guy and I was made I've seen I've
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seen much more of the sort of the
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opposite version of that story where the
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get the plane isn't even pushed back
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from the gate but they just closed the
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coke you know and it was but to your
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they hired like from a different crop of
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people in the industry or whatnot but
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their heat their jobs and hate their
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whereas they do you know very often it
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at the big ones and I think Alaska and
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it's like to your point I would compare
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at least twice to whenever is the XOXO
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conference in portland right is it
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guess not quite total coincidence but
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XOXO at least twice for me to go to XOXO
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it made more sense to fly out to San
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instead of flying all the way back to
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Alaska was like you know was the best
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airline you know I had the most flights
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for that so I flown Alaska at least
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twice and I would compare it to
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it's southwest I float it a lot actually
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you know it's like a nice commuter bus
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in the sky right because they don't have
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assigned seats and but you get like sort
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of these numbers and you stand and then
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you get on the plane you can just pick
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whatever seat you want and it's like
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very simple you know you always I think
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you always get the same type of plane so
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that that's sort of a similar experience
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but again I mean that it's nice but it
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cannot compare to what virgin virgin
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america like is like the one that does
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supposedly which I have not been on yet
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i wonder if you have is the jet blue
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mint experience um good we're on I've
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not been on that okay we do we have jet
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blue but they don't fly anywhere i go
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out of philly i think yeah and i think i
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think San Francisco has jet blue as well
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but i don't think the mint thing is
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currently in play or at least it's not
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like if I would take jetblue's i think
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i've taken it once before and I've taken
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it to New York because obviously most
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the time i would take virgin but i don't
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think the mint service operates between
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San Francisco and New York hopefully
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they changed that maybe with the Virgin
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news but it's like LA to New York I
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think has it and people rave about it
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when they take that they they say it's
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at least as good as virgin if not better
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I don't really know you know all the all
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the perks and everything having that
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take it before but I guess it's that's
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one to look forward to potentially hmm
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and it's just an industry and and I it's
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you you've made it in your column you
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made it a sort of comparison to like
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apple and Dell or something like that
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maybe ask us maybe more like Lenovo you
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know where like I think Pat is a nice
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laptop but it's right it's not and it's
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not a Mac you know it's it's what
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happens if somebody really tries to make
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something
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really good in an industry where that
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was fine is generally considered good
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wow you got really lucky you know my
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fight was flying it was more or less on
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time we landed more or less on time and
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and none of my luggage got lost right I
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was it was funny we were I was chatting
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actually with a in our internal work
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slack with some people about the news
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and of course everyone's sort of
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outraged right when it hits and so like
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there's a long thread going on and that
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was the thing that I quoted a co-worker
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mine ken was like you know comparing it
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to who yes sir did the the pc vs mac
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thing which i thought would be fun
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because of course that always you know
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draws such heated debate on both sides
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for that and whenever you compare
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anything to to that situation but i mean
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i think it does feel fairly apt you know
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having been myself you know a long time
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pc user when i was growing up and then
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switching to the mac and just like i was
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pc user and it was fine and like I would
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get a faster pc and sometimes you know
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windows would break down and and that
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would suck but when it worked it was
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fine and then you know it's uh it was a
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totally different experience once I
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switched it over and it's I mean do you
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have air pods on bow bet you do oh yeah
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I love their rights so I do too it's my
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favorite my favorite thing in the last
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few years I think yeah seriously love
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them so much but that's it n epitomizes
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what Apple stands for to me which is
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let's try to make this as nice as
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possible even if it's so such a simple
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thing is just putting to your pods
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engineer and having them just work when
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you hit play on your phone yeah and just
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taking it to like just just keep going
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into tenths of a decimal 99.999% nice
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detail that's the Apple way and and it's
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not like apples perfect my favorite
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example from recent years of Apple
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totally falling short on this is the
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remote control for the new Apple TV oh
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yeah right which-- like how does how did
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this ever come out of Apple as okay
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because this is so it is fine and it's
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not you know what I mean and it's not
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right it's not right
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like a comcast remote with 127 buttons
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right right it is Apple like in certain
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ways but it's totally on Apple like in
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other ways it's epple like in certain
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ways although like I feel like everyone
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who has one has the exact same complaint
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know if you're holding it right side up
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or upside down and like how did how did
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just you know just user testing even
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with amongst Apple employees how did
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that not come up i mean that's like the
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first thing that comes up for everyone
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right but it to me virgin was shooting
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for the air pods like experience from
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check-in to you know getting off the
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plane that's what virgin still stands
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for a while they while they exist but
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and something like Alaska or Southwest
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which I am a fan of I'm a big fan of so
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don't anymore just because they've sort
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of dropped nonstop routes between the
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cities I go to and I'm as the longer and
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taking anything other than a non-stop
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yeah but I really I do like them and I
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know that they're not luxurious but the
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main reason i like them is that that
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they do seem to hire really nice people
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and the planes are very consistent the
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southwest plane is always clean and
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always exactly the same but it's nothing
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like virgin which is trying to say let's
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make this really nice let's make being
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in a coach seat like a decent humane
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experience and the thing that's really a
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bummer about it is you know so when
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in San Francisco there was a lot of pomp
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sort of Richard Branson affiliated
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things but you know deservedly so and
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the whole criticism at the time though
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was like yeah it's a great experience
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but they'll never be able to keep this
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going they're not going to be able to
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run it profitably and this is just not
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the way the airline industry works um
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you know in this day and age and you
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unprofitable for a long time I do think
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that they eventually turned a profit or
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they were very close to it and so there
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was some hope you know that like look
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you can actually build an airline with a
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great experience that actually makes
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business sense as well and then of
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course that she's got thrown out the
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window and they merged I mean and
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l airlines continue to constantly merge
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and continue to constantly charge for
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more things for overhead storage just
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adding on fee after fee after fee and
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that's just the you know that's the
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state of the industry and virgin it
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seemed like was trying to buck that
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trend in it ultimately you know just
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didn't didn't end up doing it we'll see
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how Alaska sort of takes takes the takes
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the mantle but that's what's the real
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bummer about it it just it sort of
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showcases that I think it just probably
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can't ever ever work it seems like a lot
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of people I know and it does make some
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sense but it's a to me key to the
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continuing I don't know if I want to say
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success cuz I'm not quite sure how
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profitable they are but the continuing
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dominance of the the major mediocre
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carriers your Americans Delta's United
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yet Roe is that they large you know for
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obvious reasons they they largely depend
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on regular frequent flyers right and
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people who once you start racking up
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points on a certain airline so many
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you're you're locked in so I don't feel
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that way I've got platinum see I don't
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either American i am which is pretty
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nice and it gets me a couple of perks
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and I've got miles I can cash in
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whatever but every time I booked a
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flight I still search for other airlines
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just to look and if I found something
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better cheaper on it on a different
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airline like I still check to see if
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Southwest is restored a couple of
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nonstops to San Francisco every day I
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look every once in a while like I would
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think about going back to Southwest on
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certain flights especially if I kit and
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and or if I could get a better time a
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day or something like that yeah I I'm in
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the same boat as you I am NOT sort of
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beholden to any sort of point system i
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have the Virgin points of course but as
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we just talked about like they didn't go
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all that many places so obviously I
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would have to take other airlines all
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the time and so I think I have rewards
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programs at all of them and I don't have
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huge status but I've status that some of
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them i would say fly quite a bit and but
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lounge you know some places I can get in
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the amex lounge but other airports don't
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the upstart Airlines like they can't
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quite a racket that they that they run
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sister thing it was like the sister
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a post-mortem or whatever and you know
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no and so that's what happened I've
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love to and my favorite story about that
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uh bond is is on enroute from England to
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all right oh where was he going
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somewhere in South America or the
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Caribbean right yeah cuz he's with them
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he's with the elder gentleman yeah yeah
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he's bereft and he's he's getting tanked
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with a bartender and he's sitting at the
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like 18 of them or something and it's a
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beautiful-looking bar and dan and I are
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drinking but he's all never seems to be
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unrealistic is it that there is a nice
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there that was actually shot on a real
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been on them that's a hundred percent
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legitimate they have those bar areas and
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as it was I would say in that scene
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there's usually much more people or
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activity around it but yeah that's
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that's legitimate it's it's pretty
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amazing that was my fifth was some of my
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favorite feedback ever we were both like
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totally preposterous who would ever have
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a commercial air something like that
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it's like something out of the 1960s and
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all these people wrote to us tonight oh
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yeah it is real and it is not it's
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with virgin is so I rarely Virgin
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for what some reason it ends up being
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it's usually far more expensive than
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just so happen to find a ticket that was
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roughly the same price and so we decided
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virgin but if you ever go to London in
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Heathrow they have an amazing lounge
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tunes well it's probably the best lunch
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a haircut you can shower you can that's
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pretty that you save a spa they have all
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this amazing stuff there the shower
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whatever reason when you fly
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cross-country especially for you because
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days since when I get off the plane like
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in Europe I always feel like man I felt
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like it was 72 hours yeah yes so yeah I
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next item on my list at least is your
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coating things like Pixelmator handful
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the touch bar would off offer and I just
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that it becomes like this great feature
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traditional Escape key and made the
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touch bar just run from escape have a
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touch ID in the upper right and have the
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given it more symmetry as well because
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it's you know they have one button on
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one side why not have the escape button
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touch ideas but make it something you
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honestly to do it that way um you know
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bring up expose and stuff like that you
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dynamic version of the touch bar when
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often i just want like you know one
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little nit more of brightness not like i
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don't need this
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sort of scrubbing you know to see all
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difference is it's like one of those
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features that just seems like a cool
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option on paper but when you actually
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use it it's much less useful ma'am so I
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feelings about it I I feel I feel like
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the biggest thing that it needs is
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haptic feedback I feel like yeah and I
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was reminded of it just recently because
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well done even though I realized some of
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the initial complaint from other people
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are that they're a little confused by it
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at first because its ambitious and tries
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to do a lot and so there's a lot in
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they've done once you get it it's pretty
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logical but the the thing that made me
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think of the touch bar is when you've
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got your you've got multiple clips in a
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project in a row and if you want to
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rearrange them you you can force touch
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on one and you get like a little you get
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the haptic feedback as you drag it along
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to rearrange clips in the timeline right
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and it feels like so you want to move
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the one that's in the fourth spot to the
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second spot as you drag right between
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second and third you get a little bit
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rumbles and you can feel it right yeah
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you can feel like it's like you're
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dragging it over physical slots and it's
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so nice and I just thought boy the touch
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bar would feel so much better if it had
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a little bit of feedback like that and
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that speaks to I think it was a Michael
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the the usability factor of the touch
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bar because it's almost impossible to
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use without looking at it which is also
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very odd right like because that's not
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what that row of buttons has been for
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the entire life of a macbook and so to
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your point like if they had some sort of
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haptic feedback where you could actually
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tell what you were doing while still
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keying on the screen like for scrubbing
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or doing some other action that would be
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significantly better than having to look
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down because you don't know where where
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you are yeah and I do feel like that's
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part of it you know like it some of the
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ones in the middle I almost never used
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like I don't on a traditional F kero
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like I don't
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really I almost never adjust the
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brightness of my keyboard keyboard you
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know saying sometimes it's like i'll be
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on like a dark flight and I'm all right
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yeah I'll adjust the brightness of my
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keyboard but i'll just do it once and
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it's fine for me to be looking at it but
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for like micro adjustments to the
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brightness of the screen I I am I can do
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it without looking just by going up with
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my left hand to the top left I know when
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I Escape key is and the next to or
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brightness and even if I'm wrong even if
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I go up and I hit brightness up even
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though I wanted brightness down I can
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see what happened right away and I know
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I'm right next door and just slide my
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finger and yep and do that without
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looking and I'm I'm with you with that
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and I'm the exact same way with volume
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and both of those are now problematic on
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the touch bar you know if they look nice
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like that nice you know little scrubber
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and everything but just I do not like it
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at all I mean I don't hate hate it but I
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just don't see like i said i switch back
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to sort of the the old standards and
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like you said they're not physical
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buttons and there's no haptic feedback
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so they're harder to use so i have to
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actually pay attention to what i'm doing
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and then i also i do think i agree that
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touch ID is by far the best part of it
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but the weird thing there is that i
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almost never get to use it because i do
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have an Apple watch and I'm always
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wearing the Apple watch and that unlocks
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faster than the touch ID does so before
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you can even reach up to the touch ID
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it's done so there's no point yeah well
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it's good for purchases or whatever yeah
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for purchase logging in logging in is
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the big is you know the money you do i
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log in an hour you know open it from
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sleep and login way more frequently than
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i buy stuff yeah um and so what do you
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do you why do you think that they did
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the touch bar because like so part of
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the thing that I wrote was you know sort
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of the the title of is a great laptop
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laptop stagnation the notion being that
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we've sort of reached peak form factor
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of the laptop and I know that's
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dangerous to say for sort of any
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technology that we've reached peak
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because there's always going to be some
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level of innovation and I think I made
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the equip that maybe we'll have phil
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schiller on stage saying can innovate
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anymore my ass
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when they do something new with it with
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the macbook but like my only line of
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thinking is either they're going to one
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day try to make it a bigger screen area
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like the keyboard tray be being more
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maybe like apt 'ok digital keys you know
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something like that or not even like
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replacing the entire keyboard but just
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making that a bigger area you know for
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for different things that they can
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dynamically do I mean that has to be
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some line of thinking right it can't
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just be this this touch bar which isn't
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that interesting i guess i don't know
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but i find it worries him if their goal
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is to replace hardware keyboard with a
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virtual keyboard because I I can't see
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how that would like whatever my I kind
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of still prefer my older macbook
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keyboard to the new one the shallow keys
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yeah cuz in Newark but it's a deeper
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case but after two or three weeks my
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feelings we went from I like the old one
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better too oh I have mixed feelings
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because I also feel though that my old
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one they feel loose and jank jank right
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and resin the new ones even though they
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have shallower feel so clicking them
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feels worse because it's shallow but
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just resting my fingers on them feels
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better because they don't wiggle around
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they feel more premium yep and I had a
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problem at first I had a really weird
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problem and I can't explain why but the
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the new keyboards in the macbook and the
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mac the just plain macbook in the
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macbook pro yep have bigger keys and
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less space between the keys the keyboard
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takes up the exact same amount of area
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and so the distance between just pick
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two keys like the center of the a key
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and the center of the f key r is exactly
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the same so your fingers resting on the
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home row are exactly in the same
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position but for some reason because the
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keys are bigger I felt for a while like
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my fingers were spread out more yeah I
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get that I think that's something I
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needed to get used to I especially
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notice it because I use the iPad
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keyboard all the time and that is those
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are smaller keys yeah right yeah and so
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that's when I really notice it and
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I honestly i think i prefer the ipad
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keyboard is weird as that sounds I just
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it's not it's not a perfect keyboard but
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maybe it is like you're talking about
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sort of the size of the keys just
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something about it feels more familiar
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than typing on the newer keyboards yeah
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I can kind of see that like you're
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talking about like the smart key bad
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yeah everyone I don't believe it's
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almost like on the smart keyboard cover
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it it it celebrates the shallowness of
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the movement whereas on the macbook it's
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like man I still wish that these keys
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went in further yes but I can live with
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that I really read the the difference
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between my feelings about the new
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macbook pro keyboard and the previous
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generation macbook pro keyboard I have
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thought but the thoughts are much
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narrower than the thought between what
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we have now and a hypothetical Virtual
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Touch bar that was the whole keyboard
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yeah like well what do you think about
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this like so the other thing that I that
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I've chatted with some folks about is
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the notion of one way that I think they
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could have alleviated some of the touch
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bar criticism is like also just putting
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it at the bottom of the keyboard so in
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other words keeping the function row
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that as it was and just adding a new row
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because like and especially on the
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macbook so here's the thought here right
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now they made the the touchpad the touch
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pad itself right massive it's pretty big
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now um I think it's bigger than it needs
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to be for anything and so you could
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shave that down a little bit and I think
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if you wanted to do some sort of touch
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bar type thing put it just above the
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touchpad and sort of make that the whole
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touch area especially because apples
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whole thing as we all know is that
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they're not going to do a touchscreen
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macbook imac macbook pro anything and
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the weirdness of this whole dynamic
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right now is that they made a touch area
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that's so close to the screen but isn't
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the screen and you know they make they
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have the the famous sort of picture of
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like you know with a cross out are more
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like pointing at the screen because it's
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just not oregano mccreight and it's not
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that much different in my book to sort
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of have to go up to this top row and
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have to sort of manipulate touch
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that way I would have been much more
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happy if we're my hands already rest
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sort of at the bottom you tried to do
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something with the touch bar and I don't
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know my I just looking down at my
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macbook as you say this my problem with
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that is that my hands would cover it
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most of the time I think the advantage
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diving into the top is that you can see
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it your hands don't cover it whereas
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this way your hands cover it until you
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go to look at it but maybe that's okay I
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don't know if they've if they tinkered
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without a deer or not but maybe that's
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something obviously Apple has all the
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palm detection stuff for the ipad
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alrighty i'm sure they can figure that
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things that they were showing off like
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the DJing and all that kind of you know
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fun stuff uh you might not be you know
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really needing to use the keyboard as
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much as sort of the touch area to toggle
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controls and stuff and so in that
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situation it might make a little bit
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more sense but I don't know I mean I
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assume like you said they they may be
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tried something or thought about it at
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least and they determined that that
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wasn't the way to go ma'am I don't know
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what do you thing about the weight and
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the size the window size are great I
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mean it's not so I have right now I have
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a bunch of machines I've a older macbook
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pro for that's my work machine that sort
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of was given to me by the people who
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dish out computers at work and so that's
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I think like a two and a half or three
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year old macbook so an older style
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macbook pro then I have the macbook the
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small 13-inch one and then I got the
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touch touch bar macbook pro and so my
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other issue there is that while it is
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obviously more svelte and lighter than
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the the older macbook pro I have it's
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not you know anywhere near as light and
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it's felt as the macbook itself and so
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if I'm going somewhere where I
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would want sort of the most portability
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obviously I know that most people don't
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have three options of course but when
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people would ask like well I just want
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the most poor ability I would say go
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with the macbook I mean it's it's still
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the main problem there now is the one
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USBC port and honestly you know I carry
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around the dongle of course and it's
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mildly annoying from time to time but
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I'm not sure it would be even be that
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much better if it's just if it had four
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USB seaports because USBC is still not
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doesn't seem quite as ubiquitous
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certainly for the things like I have to
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you know Lupin things for work all the
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time and insert a hook up different USB
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see stuff and I almost always need a
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converter still so I'm just not sure
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that that would even sort of alleviate
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the pain so my biggest problem with the
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the older macbook and I have the one
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that's you know came out a couple years
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ago so it's it's fairly slow but I think
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a lot of people said that this sort of
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newer version that came out several
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months ago is significantly faster so i
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would go with that one the thing I like
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the most about it and I think it speaks
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to your point that we're sort of
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approaching peak form factor is and it
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was the to me the part that made my my
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personal 2014 I think I get mixed up at
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how old a two-year-old i think i got it
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in 2014 anyway yeah that makes sense um
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my 2014 13 inch macbook pro the biggest
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difference to me and it's it's petty and
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it has nothing to do with actual
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computing but it's the ease with which i
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can open this display that the display
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just lifts up perfectly and if i want to
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adjust it slightly i just put one finger
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on it on the new ones that is and yep
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and it just it's just absolute the
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perfect amount of resistance where it
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never moves if I don't want it to and
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when I do want to move it it's the least
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amount of energy possible and it makes
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my old one feel like it's way too hard
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and heavy to lift and to me that's it
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that's the that's the the ideal that the
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new macbooks have ever more closely
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approached to I don't know about the
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regular macbook like when you lift a
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macbook is it so light that the whole
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thing lifts up or can you do it yeah
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it's right that I would say it's a
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little bit too light for that I still
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feel the need to sort of
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yeah like you know weigh it down a
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little bit while I'm lifting a dollar is
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the new macbook pros you don't have to
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do that the new macbook pros even though
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in theory it's it's worse to be heavier
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all things considered right they could
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make one that was every bit as fast and
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powerful as the macbook yes they would
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do it they're not going to make it
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heavier just the Apple is not going to
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make macbooks heavier just just to make
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it easier to open them right future but
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right now I feel like the macbook pros
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are at this wonderful I deal between the
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weight of the base where the keyboard in
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the battery and everything are and the
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lightness of the display and the ability
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to lift it up I agree and so right so
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the form factor is great right it's so
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great that it's like it's been whittled
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down to sort of this this uh you know
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that that level of sort of perfection
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for exactly what you're talking about
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what else would they possibly do to it
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beyond like you know expanding touch bar
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and doing other things to it but it's
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like that's the form factor there's my
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what else are you gonna do to that you
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can't really change that now no I I
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don't other than you know and again it's
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not really changed at a form factor but
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in theory at some point I presume that
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they're going to you know it won't be
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aluminum forever I mean you know I feel
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like we yes right the macbook still has
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a decade maybe more ahead of it is it
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gonna really be aluminum for 20 or 30
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years I don't know so new materials you
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know yep that's basically I do think the
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form factor is as you know for and for
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certain tasks it is a wonderful
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wonderful form factor and I just feel
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like don't mess with it and I I do
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wonder there's a part of me that wonders
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if the touch bar is basically a mess
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with it for the sake of messing with it
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freshly right that's exactly what I was
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basically alluding to in that post um
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you know they felt like look we're sort
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of at the perfect storm of two things
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right now right so what we were just
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talking about sort of the form factor is
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we've whittled it down to near
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perfection right and then on the flip
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side we have sort of the the CPUs and
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the internals are basically not getting
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that much faster now because you know
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more as Moore's Law is has Sloan down
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slow down were
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we're sort of at the point where it's
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very hard to rationalize a year to year
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upgrade it's hard to rationalize a two
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year to year upgrade right for a for a
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macbook pro because it's just not that
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much faster than the than what the state
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of the art was two years ago and so we
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have those two things coming into play
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and so when Apple's trying to think
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about well what do we do this year to
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get you know to get people excited about
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potentially buying the new machine you
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know you can do you can change the
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colors of it they've done that a little
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bit of course with some gold and rose
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gold options and I don't think that that
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really moves the needle though on uh on
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making someone purchase a new one and so
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this touch bar thing it feels like to me
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that was you know some idea like let's
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try this you know let's let's see if
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this is interesting and that's uh that's
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a dangerous game for Apple to play I
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think I totally agree and I wonder about
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and it is clearly to me their most
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important product I know we just had the
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whole thing with the mac pro and that
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there's imax coming out and stuff like
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that but the macbooks are clearly the
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bread and butter of the mac lineup you
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know if they had to cut back for some
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reason you know that's the last max to
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go are going to be the macbooks and I
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wonder you and I have talked about this
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before and I know a lot of people
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obviously have different differing
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thoughts in this but like so the other
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part I think towards the end of the post
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I wrote was basically I'm very much in
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the camp of I would love to just do
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everything on an iPad I'm milling 19 I'm
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95 let's say percent of the way there
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the problem is that other five percent
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matters and so I just can't do it yet I
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would love to be in that camp though are
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you it and I know you're definitely you
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know still in the macbook camp but if if
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they could do if they had full sort of
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parody maybe not you know not quite as
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easy to do certain things and vice versa
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but if they had sort of full parity in
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terms of functionality would you want to
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use an iPad more than you use the
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macbook no I don't think so i think the
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longer time goes on the less likely i am
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to use to even want to use an ipad i
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feel like i have the clarity now and i
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might I feel like but I don't feel
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like I speak to the the mass market it's
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I have so many little things little
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custom nerd scripts and things that I
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have set to keyboard shortcuts on my Mac
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that I can't do on the iPad and that
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even if I wanted to do through workflow
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or something like that and i'm a super
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super happy that apple bought workflow
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and seems to want to keep it around and
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maybe they'll integrate it in the OS but
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like I have a shortcut that it's system
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wide service that I made so that i can
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convert it the selected text in any app
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from mark down to HTML and the key
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command i made for it is command shift k
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I don't know why I forget why damn
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because command ship damn is like
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minimize windows and so I went to K mark
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I don't know but I don't even have to
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think about had to pause to remember it
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because my fingers just know it and I've
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had it for years yeah but you know the
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ipad pros like we were just talking
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about they cut you know you can get the
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the keyboard that's with it and they you
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know they have command + Shift + k still
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I guess that in theory they could add
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that they could add stuff to the system
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software that would enable something
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like that in theory right but the form
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factor doesn't speak to me either like
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last week when I was flying home from
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San Francisco after the the shindig at
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cupertino I was at the gate at the
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terminal and I had a couple just a
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couple of minutes before they started
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boarding and somebody dm'd me that I had
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a typo in a DF post and instead of
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fixing it on my phone I just I knew I
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had like a couple minutes I just quick
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took out my macbook from my backpack
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opened it and just without even sitting
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down just held it in the palm of my hand
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and opened it logged in fixed it shut it
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put it back my backpack like I don't see
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guess from you in that regard because i
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like my ideal computing experience would
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be where i could go on a trip not have
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to take any macbook with me just take
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the the ipad pro with the keyboard cover
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little trips or you know just on a daily
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basis like if i'm going to just do email
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grabbing that thing and walking out the
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door don't ring a bag it's so it just it
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just feels like this is the way I want
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to be doing computing in my life and I
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don't want to have a you know even as we
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the macbooks are now I just there's
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there's too much going on I like the
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simplicity of doing everything through
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me and I'd you know and I like I pen but
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argument that it's fundamentally only
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good for consumption and not for
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creation i've argued it but for me
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personally that actually is very true
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that I i tend to use it I actually have
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left the cover of mine for a while now
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read tons on it and I read lots of
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Twitter and I bookmark things to post
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the daring fireball later from a
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different machine from it but it's I
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tend not to do any actual typing on it
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but I can see the appeal I totally see
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the appeal and I would totally see the
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appeal for long-form writing too I feel
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like the longer the thing you're writing
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the more the more pleasant it is and
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like when I wrote like I
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long review uh and I do kind of like
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that it is naturally distraction-free I
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find I never used the distraction free
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full screen modes on the mac for any app
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ever because I find that it's just just
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gets in a way when I want to get out of
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it whereas on the iPad it's totally
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natural it's you know and I'm a big
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believer net in general I feel anything
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you tack on to a system afterwards is
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never as good as if it was there from
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the beginning so full screen mode on the
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mac to me I use it for video and that's
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about it but otherwise to me it feels
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tacked on because the mac wasn't
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designed at the start it was designed to
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have everything windows that are
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overlapping you can drag around whereas
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the ipad was designed from the ground up
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to have full screen apps yeah I mean I
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so I do a lot of it you know anything
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that i write basically like you said
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sort of that's that's longer than just a
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blurb or something like that i try to do
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on the ipad and I just it's something
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about it reminds me of like when I was a
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kid growing up going to my father's
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office and like they had typewriters and
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just using the typewriter right i mean i
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know it's obviously very different but
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something about this focus thing and
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it's almost like you know there's a
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there's a blank sheet of paper in front
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of you and the words are magically
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appearing on it m and it most things in
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my life most things in my life are that
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I'm in control of our complete mess like
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my desk is usually just a complete Andy
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Rooney style mess of papers and odd
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objects and boxes and it all sorts of
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stuff so I like lots of things I have
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her a complete mess other things though
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I try to keep obsessively neat and like
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the daring fireball homepage would be a
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fine example there's no clutter you know
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I aspire to that I wish that I had the
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organizational ability and the the
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wherewithal to have everything in my
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life be like that I I when I see
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pictures of people who have lived these
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minimal offices I covet them I do I see
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the appeal and I do I look at my mac
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with all of these windows like if i go
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to expose or whatever and see how many
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apps i have running and how many windows
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are actually overlapping sometimes my
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mac looks like a mess and i do I like
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the way that the ipad even if you open a
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I love how neat it is that if you have
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like message the messages app on the
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right in a narrow iphone with column
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your other thing whether it's Safari or
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your writing app in a square to the left
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of it I love how neatly that's organized
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where there's no overlap there's no
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shadows from windows showing depth it's
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just to uh rectangles perfectly aligned
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I love that and I can see how that is
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soothing mentally soothing to people and
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an appealing um since it's sort of the
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perfect segue and night might not be
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much to talk about but just curious like
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so obviously apple released the sort of
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you know though the cheaper ipad version
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but they didn't do anything you know as
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was rumored by many various sites for
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actual new ipad hardware and so are a
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presume now were there were at the end
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of april we're not going to see any sort
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of event before WWDC so do they do that
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at wwc do they wait for the fall I don't
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know it is it's very intriguing to me
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that the supply chain rumor mill seemed
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to think it was going to happen you know
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right like neither last month or the you
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know the first week of April or
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something like that and i agree with you
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i don't i don't eat and I don't hear any
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rumblings to the ground that there's
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anything coming before WWDC so I almost
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feel like it's something that maybe
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they've successfully kept under wraps so
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it could happen at WWDC but if they wait
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into the fall I almost feel like they've
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got to wait till October because it
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sounds like after I phone right because
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I don't think they'd want to share the
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stage with iPhone because it sounds like
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they've got a very exciting iphone to
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unveil and right if it's on schedule
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it'll be like the second week of
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September as I said before I mean
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they've they've been pretty consistent
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on that for three or four years and I
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don't think they'd want to share the
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stage but they could in theory you know
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it may not be it may come naturally if
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there's you know like a shared design
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language of a more edge-to-edge display
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it could make sense to unveil them side
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by side I don't know but it would make
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more sense to me if they did I phones in
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September and iPads in October and you
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but you don't think that they would do
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it at WWDC I guess they could but it
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depends how much these new iPads which
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at least some of the you know one of
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them is rumored to be a more
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edge-to-edge display where the right you
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know that the 9.7 inch iPad is still
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going to be nine point seven inches as a
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device but that the screen will be 10
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points something inches instead of nine
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point seven inches because it's going to
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take up more of the front face but that
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sounds to me like what the rumor is for
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the iphone and if right and they don't
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want to they don't want to spoil it
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right that they want the i reveal come
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out first right but is that am i
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overthinking it am i overthinking there
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you know willingness to just let the
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product that's ready to ship first ship
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first whether it's the iphone or not I
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don't know yeah and if there was some
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sort of marquee feature in iOS 11 you
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know that was sort of ipad rhyme or ipad
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focused maybe but yeah there hasn't been
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much rumors about iOS 11 at all no even
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though we're fairly close which is
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interesting but well other than the fact
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that there for a while i don't know if
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you've noticed this but I've heard
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rumors for a while that months ago I
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guess more or less when Iowa's 10 came
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out last WWDC there after the event was
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over there were rumors beforehand that
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that Apple might unveil some iPad
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specific ipad pro specific features you
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know and that the keynote came and went
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and there were none and then in the
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aftermath the word was well that got
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punted from ten point oh but it's going
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to come in like 10.2 or something 10.2
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over 8.3 but we've gotten to 10.3 and it
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didn't happen and there's not going to
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be a 10.4 between now and June because I
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you know All Hands are working on iOS 11
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so whether that ships in iOS 11.0 or not
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or get punted once again to the first
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big update you know in december or
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january of 11.2 I
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no but that's the way week but there
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have been recent like this time last
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year that they
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year that they
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have Pro specific improvements to the OS
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for multitasking and stuff like that and
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if that is the case and we may have just
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answer a riddle right that they would
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they would launch that and presumably
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they would want to have new iPad pro
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hardware to show whatever that
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functionality is off since the ipad pro
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would be relatively old at that point
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right over a year between iterations
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right well and the the 12-inch one the
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13-inch one would be a year and yeah
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really oh really alright at this point
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um I don't know but I mean both of them
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launched with I feel a lot of headroom
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to wait for the next version because
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they really are pretty fast for ipads I
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mean I've you know they're both you know
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faster than I don't know if they're
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faster than the current macbook but i
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think they are and they're certainly
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faster than the macbook that you're
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talking about the original macbook with
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one port I mean that's how fast they are
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yep i'm using the big ipad pro right now
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which I almost never use again speaking
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to obviously is as we all do we just buy
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a bunch of devices probably more than we
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need but it is nice when you're sort of
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sitting at a desk it's a nice sort of
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second screen yeah I don't know so I I
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feel like they need to though and I feel
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like I feel like selling points on
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shouldn't even be paying me to promote
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their products because I would sing
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their praises even if they weren't and a
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buy like a three pack you plug one of
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them their little white boxes roughly
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the size of like an apple TV or
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something like that that almost looks
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like an apple design product they ship
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the ethernet cables they give you in the
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box are nice it's like a nice ethernet
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cable it's not like a piece of junk
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thing that you got from Joe's cables on
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the corner nice cable nice power cable
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you plug it into your router and now
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you've got there's your primary ero base
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station then you take like the other two
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the first floor you put another one on
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the second floor and another one on a
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third floor keep them near the steps try
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to minimize how many walls has to go
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through and it creates what's called a
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mesh network through your house and it
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what you don't need really need to
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narrow its a nice base station but you
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really only need one and it really it'd
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there's really no way to set up one
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router that I've ever tried that gets a
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good Wi-Fi signal everywhere in the
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house I ended personally I just recently
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upgraded my comcast service had comcast
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come in got new internet comcast new
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router they gave me a router with the
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the thing in the room where I have it
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set up in my home office I get like a
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hundred and fifty two hundred megabits
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per second over Wi-Fi it's amazing
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that's amazing performance it's like 10
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times faster than what I have before one
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floor up still pretty good it's like 50
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megabits per second something like that
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but in my master bedroom this is no shit
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I swear to god this is true I tested
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this with the speed test app I get 0.2
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megabits per second Wi-Fi from that
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router so it goes from 200 megabits per
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second 20.2 megabits per second so once
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the comcast guy was gone and you know I
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knew I had good internet i reset up my
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eros I put my ear o in there
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I only have three now I guess still get
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200 or so megabits per second in my
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office from euro but my master bedroom
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is getting 60 megabits per second Wi-Fi
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that's how great it is I cannot be and I
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it I didn't have to configure anything
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you just you just follow the
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instructions in their little app and it
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it just configures everything and they
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even tell you that it they talk to each
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other and they fix it up and and after
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you've set it up like 24 hours later the
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service is usually even better because
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the knit the the eros have communicated
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with each other about where they should
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hand off to each other cannot tell you
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how happy I am with this product I
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recommend it highly I don't know what
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else to tell you if you need Wi-Fi if
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you're unhappy with your wife I've
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indeed new Wi-Fi you'd be silly not to
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check it out that what they do is they
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recommend one ero for every thousand
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square feet of your home three packs a
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good starting point you can always buy
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more and you can hook up 10 in total if
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you need to so here's what you do go to
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eurocom and use the code actually you
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know what forget the code screw it
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here's what they've done they've gotten
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rid of these codes and to celebrate the
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first birthday what they've done is
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they've just dropped their prices
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permanently so instead of using a code
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you just go to eurocom and now you can
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get a three pack for just three hundred
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ninety nine dollars used to be 499 and
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you can get a 2-pack for 299 that used
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to be fifty dollars more so to get here
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at this new price just go to eurocom and
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you can get them at best buyer or even
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amazon if you want they don't care they
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don't they don't even care if you buy
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them direct so get if you need Wi-Fi get
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an arrow love this product I feel like
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you and I talked about arrow before they
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were sponsor of your podcast which is
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that's nice I remember the first time I
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read you know what I'll get back to my
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the point I wanted to make about ipad
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I've got my finger in the air this is my
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reminder i know the point I want to make
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calm but we could go on a digression
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right now I remember the first time I
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heard about euro was I read it in Walt
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Mossberg column uh-huh
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and I read his description of it and I
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knew that I was suffering from the
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problem he was talking about at the four
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years I had an apple airport whatever
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the best the best apple I think the most
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still the most recent one because they
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haven't updated it in years yeah the one
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they're Ford extreme yeah the one is
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Gabriel tall yeah I have the same one
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and i had the same one now i have euro
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same time I had it on the second floor
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our living room of a four floor
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residence and it was ok and it my office
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was one floor up and it got pretty good
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Wi-Fi our master bedroom on the fourth
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floor yeah it wasn't bad wasn't like it
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is it like it was with this comcast
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router but it wasn't great um and and
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for whatever reason our garage on the
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first floor one floor down got no signal
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whatsoever I don't know if it's because
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the garage had insulation I don't know
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what the heck it was I read waltz column
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because a it solves a problem i have but
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be he's telling me that I don't have to
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configure just no you don't you don't go
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into an admin interface and start typing
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in IP numbers you don't start picking
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channels you don't have to set one of
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them in bridge mode and one of them in
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something mode you just hook them up and
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tap buttons in the app as you hook them
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up around your house and follow their
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general advice of you know where best to
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put them and then all of a sudden you've
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got a network that every room in your
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house has good internet I was like that
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sounds so amazing and it was it was
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little the literal truth that's the
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exact experience of using it and it's
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yeah anyway the digression would be
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waltz announcement that he's retiring
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yeah obviously significant news within
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the world in which in which we inhabit
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um yeah you know like it's funny when I
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moved to go so I was working as a web
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developer down in San Diego and sort of
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writing on the side just for fun and at
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some point you know VentureBeat at the
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time came calling and you know wanted me
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to to sort of come up and consider sort
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of writing full-time
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and I just like sort of laughed to
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myself like thinking like no one can
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make a living sort of doing that all
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right like I mean you know it's almost
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like too good to be true and you know
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around you know the same time there I
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think there had been a like a profile or
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maybe I was even just googling it but
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just like you know the story of the rise
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of Walt Mossberg sort of getting into
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obviously it wasn't blogging at the time
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it was for the wall street journal but
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sort of making his way into this thing
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that hadn't existed before right he was
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he was covering politics and then all of
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a sudden he decided he was going to
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cover personal technology and again not
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blogging exactly but you know not too
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dissimilar from from I think what sort
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of the ideal state for a lot of us
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certainly for me at the time you know
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that's what I aspired something to do
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something like that right I just read up
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I will I swear to God put it in the show
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notes there's an interview I think it
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just came out today but if not it came
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out last night an interview with with
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Walt and the columbia journalism review
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right i haven't read it yet but i saved
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it as well yeah he was at 1991 he was
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the lead national security correspondent
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for The Wall Street Journal which is the
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columbia journalism review says is
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literally one of the most coveted spots
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in all of newspaper journalism I mean it
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probably you know you could count it on
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one hand as the one of the most
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prestigious gigs you know the Journal
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the New York Times Wall Street
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Washington Post and a handful of the top
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jobs there would be something like that
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because national security is of utmost
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importance and when something breaks it
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it's you know it becomes you know you
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own the top pick you know top right
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corner of the front page of the
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newspaper and I mean just no breaking
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news is more important than national
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security news all right so he had the
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job he obviously had decades ahead of
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him in his career and he gave it up to
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create what was there then unheard of
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which was an in a national major
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newspaper a personal technology clump
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everybody you know like like the CGR
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said that most people in
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Street you know news people were like oh
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boy what did he do why did he get this
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terrible demotion for great um yeah I've
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tried to think of like what the
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equivalent thing would be today and it's
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hard to come up with something because
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like because honestly it's hard to it's
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hard to envision something that would
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sort of become as pervasive as as just
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technology in general right like you
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could say like oh I'm going to stop the
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Apple beat because I want to write about
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Bitcoin um and you know people would be
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like but you're on the you know you're
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covering the most valuable company in
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the world why do you want to write about
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sort of this this nascent technology
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thing and you know like it's a it was
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one hell of a leap a faith that he did
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know was the the is a pinnacle of doing
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that and I think you know the whole
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generations of Engadget's gizmodo's you
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know all the people who were doing
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gadget reviews certainly you know that
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that was the pinnacle and then you know
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normal people and stop treating him like
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they were stupid
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going into a mainstream thing and like I
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mainstream things right now is
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technology right like there's every
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single person in the world in some
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the the norm in sort of writing about
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this decision in 1991 because in my
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arguably to fold but i think it's single
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lower-cost pcs jump from having a really
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better organized but the bigger thing is
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just the internet itself which is that
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computers i certainly didn't foresee it
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somebody a kid who grew up loving
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computers I couldn't understand why
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everybody else didn't love computers and
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want to spend as many hours a day as
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normal people what made computers
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something that they didn't care about
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something they cared about deeply was
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that they got turned into communication
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devices they its communication
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everything it you know humans are
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creatures res were born to want to
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communicate with each other and did
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technologies that allow us to do so are
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the ones that rock it off I mean you
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could even talk about the automobile
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from the Henry Ford era a century ago as
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altima tlie is a communications device
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you know that yes you could use it to
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bring things from one place to another
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faster than you could
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but the fact that you could go visit
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people who you couldn't visit because
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you wouldn't have time to get there is a
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huge part of it right and computers
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before they were communication devices
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or went in like the dial-up modem era
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when you had to dial in and telnet into
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a bulletin board and use you know
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cryptic command line things and nobody
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would understand it like geeks got it
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early we spent time on bulletin boards
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communicating with each other but when
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simple be easy to understand
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communication technology became
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available on the Internet it does when
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it exploded but Walt had his column from
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already established as this voice of
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authority when the explosion already
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happened yeah and and I mean the most
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obvious thing in the world is that the
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the iphone was the ultimate
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extrapolation of that right because then
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you had the not only was it a physical
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communication device it blended
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everything together and you had it with
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you all the time right one thing that I
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was curious to your your take about this
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topic on with you know with Walt moving
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on was who do you think takes up the
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mantle then as sort of the I guess that
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go to either technology columnist or
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reviewer you know we know the names who
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are sort of at the at the bigger places
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you know Farhad Manjoo at the New York
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Times Wall Street Journal is still doing
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the combo right of right with Johanna
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but so what and then David Pogue I you
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know is still at yahoo i guess or is he
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nod i don't even know like what's going
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to happen is he going to be a duck so
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but i feel like i don't know because
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yeah whose future is so uncertain it
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right is he gonna be a ethos or whatever
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the hell that govern he's gonna become
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so Oh Jeffrey Fowler yes Jeffrey color
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sorry Jeffrey sorry Jeffrey uh but so
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like so what how do you think that that
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plays out or is it not one of the giant
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you know sort of old-school publications
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is it some some other is it so mark
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Gurman you know was announced this
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morning
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Bloomberg's launching a like a gadget
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show with with Garmin oh I didn't see
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that yeah it was unlike I said axia so
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Axios you know the new uh the new
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newsletter thing from lyon and that
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group um yeah they broke the story about
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uh it looks like it's going I don't know
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exactly what is going to be cult Alden i
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had actually had to link here so i got
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it up but yeah i was just talking about
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axios because inna freed is took over
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and as running the technology beat for
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them and she was at the Apple shindig
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last weekend I was talking to her about
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it it's an interesting format and i said
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to her i said you know i'm not just
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saying this because you're here but i
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have to say that especially politics
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wise you know i'm more keenly attuned
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every ever since november and in the
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last few months it's surprising how many
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of the links that have bubbled up to the
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surface politically have been axio sites
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like it didn't take very long after
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axios launched before I I noticed it and
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I was like how long has this been around
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because all of a sudden this is in my
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it's popping up every day and then I
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checked and I was like oh it's only like
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two weeks old yeah it's not like I'm a
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oh yeah it's like right from the get-go
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though actually been as they're doing
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great and that not to do too much of an
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aside on the aside but yeah so you know
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in my world in my current world in vc
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obviously everyone was reading dan
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primack it when he was at fortune his
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newsletter and he moved over to Axios
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sort of around the time of their launch
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and then they have the mike allen guy
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who famously sort of wrote the you know
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the politico newsletter for a long time
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writes it every single day and just
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fills it with a ton of content every
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single day it seems to get legitimate
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inside the White House scoops and
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obviously prime it gets his scoop Cena
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will get hers and it's just like on down
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the line they have a they have a pretty
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killer product and team yeah yeah they
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really it's they did a very keen job of
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focusing on just getting great talent
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just you know they have a great format
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good there's not i don't see any clutter
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on screen that is annoying me it's
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they've got this focus on writing really
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short articles that just get to the
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point which I think goes over really
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well like
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there's no padding in the articles but
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they've got great talent on all these
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beats which is to me a great combination
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it's a good format with a good focus its
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user-friendly and they've assembled a
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really good team of talented people with
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with deep sources so anyway and they do
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a grit and just they do a great job with
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brevity to like they don't just they
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don't drag on that's what I'm saying
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long way so much on the web that drags
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like I feel like in the old days the
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problem like eight nine years ago was
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that the sites because they were
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counting pages they would break up with
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breakup articles you know click here for
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next page next page but now I feel like
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articles are padded for the sake of
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being able to algorithmically interrupt
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between paragraphs to insert either ads
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site and so yeah I noticed they're
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mostly reading on the phone is it there
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was just oh my god I forget who it was I
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don't want to mention it because I don't
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want to give him any attention but there
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was an article I was reading last night
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where they had three interruptions in
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the same article to promote a pot a new
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podcast that they were launching for the
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same podcast three times in the article
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a huge it's a huge interruption between
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like where your eyes find the next
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paragraph or anyway Axios does a good
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job on them so Gurman singh is called
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gadgets with german huh that's a great
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idea bloomberg show so it's going to be
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a digital video series that they're
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going to launch across all the Bloomberg
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stuff including the terminal it sounds
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like but then they're going to package
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it together and eventually sort of put
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it on Bloomberg Television as well yeah
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I know he's been very onerous I know
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that's why you know I can't say I'm
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close friends with him but I certainly
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done friendly with him he's been on the
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show and whenever you know I like and
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now that now that he's you know really
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gone pro he's he's getting invited to
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Apple events and I always try to make
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make a point of saying hi I know from
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talking to him that a big reason he went
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to Bloomberg instead of anywhere else
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you know these right he's interested in
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that so I'm not surprised at all that
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he's getting his own thing
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but so you know it amongst those people
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or someone else like is there's someone
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his influence like yeah like I'd serve
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really for Cara and and what she does
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scoops go out to everybody who cares
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about scoops when they come out but for
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when he leaves the wall street journal
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to take some of that audience with him
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but it will never be the full audience
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of a you know a nationwide distributed
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paper and so right I it was almost like
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the everyman crap right like Walt
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Pepsi challenge the difference between
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waltz columns under the RICO tour verge
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banner and his vered you know columns
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attitude if you just look at the words
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think it was almost like a magnifier
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were he built the walt mossberg brand
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where if you put a quote up in a keynote
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that says a lot right there but walt
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mossberg comma the wall street journal
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now you've got both the power of the
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why it was probably the smart move
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then do the sort of devoxx sale and
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mainstream audience rather than you know
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proponent of writers and independent
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journalists going off on her own and
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criticizing him in the least might have
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yahoo and and you know it might be great
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personal finances but I can't help but
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position to sort of take over as the de
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brand and David Pogue it at Yahoo tech
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unfortunately passed away and like who
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uh what's his name Anthony lane in The
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issue of The New Yorker and I I either
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ripped up reviews in his face and say
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sometimes a movie has just meant to be
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fun night but he's very good at writing
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those reviews so I still read all but I
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luck oh it's gonna be weird it's gonna
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that's where he's saying the the the
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actual goodbyes so that'll be an
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interesting i've never gone I should see
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know that's it that's a promote right
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that to be a promotion here but it is a
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very good conference they do a very good
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job I think the reason I never have even
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thought about seeing if i could go is
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that it seemed so close to WWDC and I'm
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the air of a homebody and I don't want
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pure so right well I don't care it just
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thing i would like to see them do my
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tasking mode similar to the one they
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have now where you arrange multiple apps
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in full full height columns but i would
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like to be able to make them I don't
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know exactly I don't have I haven't
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envisioned or invented an interface to
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make this to figure out exactly how they
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to do it but I would like to have it be
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more arbitrary so if you want to have
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three you could have three if you want
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to drag one from the middle to the left
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you could somehow drag the you know put
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something or do a long press on it and
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drag it over rearrange them um and I
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the left one is always main and the
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doesn't feel it's like on the Mac
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window and then there's all other
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windows and they're all equal and if you
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it's every bit as legit as the other
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ones like so if i have three apps on my
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ipad in columns side by side when i'm in
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the middle one I feel like it should be
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every bit the real the main app as it
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three the notion of three does that work
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ratio wise for sort of the you know how
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you do the size classes right it could
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be it your apps should rearrange
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themselves you know should use out using
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auto layout etc to any arbitrary with
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you shouldn't be worried about exact
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whether it's exactly you know 767 pixels
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or I got that wrong but you know that
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hitting this short list of exact pixel
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widths you should be in
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like a mac app you should be able to
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rearrange to any arbitrary width I'm not
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saying that the that the ipad should let
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you drag the little divider and change
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it from 750 pixels to 748 pixels I feel
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like the fact that the ipad isn't so
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fussy and has these set sizes that it
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that the apps clip2 is actually nice
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you resize a mac app window that it's
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never really perfect it's always just
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where you know whichever wherever you
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left off the mouse right so you want you
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want a combination of those things like
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be just it being strict in sort of
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formatting but just being more options
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for what you write how you can format it
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right and I don't want infinite options
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iPad maybe the maximum is three maybe on
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the dry point nine the maximum is for
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you know I trust Apple to work that out
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two that are exactly 50 50 or if I want
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to go like two-thirds one-third I could
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do that very easily and if i want to go
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one-third one-third one-third 43 I could
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do that easily uh and do you do you
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think now I assume the ipad certainly
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the ipad pros at the point where it
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could run three apps simultaneously
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without an issue i think so without
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question and especially with the way
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that yeah i think so i think it has an
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ax frame to do that um yeah i would love
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to see something like that i think you
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know one of the biggest drawbacks it's
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still a little cutesy with sort of
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switching between the apps you know they
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still have sort of these the animations
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that go on so sort of you know flip it
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around and whatnot and it just makes it
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a little bit longer than it needs to be
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right and so if you're really into like
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using two apps yeah I know you could do
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this side by side things and I do that
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for certain maps it makes sense to do
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that for but i would even just like it
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just make it as fast as possible to
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switch between two yeah i did they
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tweaked that in iOS 10.3 and i think
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it's a little bit fast yeah a shorten
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some of the animation times
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yeah like I'm using it right now yeah i
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mean it is faster because it slides
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right in now but they still you know
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there's still cute a little cutesy with
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the animations yeah and it the longer
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you use a computer like the more that
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you use an ipad as like your main
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writing computer it the more those
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animations great on you because the more
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sensitive you are to knowing that you're
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waiting for the animation and not really
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waiting for the computer total and i
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feel like in the classic days like in
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the original mac like 84 85 86 when the
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desperately desperately slow and
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desperately starved for every resource
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video ram and everything when you
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double-click something and you got those
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zoom rectangles that showed it coming up
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part of it was to help you understand
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opening into a window and the animation
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reason your animations were there was to
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actually do it because it wasn't going
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to happen instantaneously anyway whereas
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sort of solving two birds with one stone
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which was it was giving you this visual
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clue of telling you what was happening
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like oh this folder is opened into a
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window now and when i closed the window
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it closes into the icon from which it
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the window is a folder and the folder if
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i go back to that window as a different
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visual state when the window it rep its
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corresponding window is open run but the
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animations never felt like they were
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slowing you down because you were
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waiting for the computer anyway and as a
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computer's got faster I feel like those
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visual clues like I still like in some
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ways like on the ipad or iphone when you
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tap an icon and the app animates as it
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opens up i still feel like it's amit i
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don't feel like it should I don't feel
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like the screen should flash instantly
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very fast right um and just playing
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around with it now like so I think a
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political job sort of if you use command
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tab which you can use if you have the
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keyboard you know hooked up to the to
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the iPad it's it's actually very fast
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it's pretty good um but if you just do
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the double click of the home button it's
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still sort of
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a slowish zoom out and then you click on
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the one you want and then it's a slowish
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people actually use this but you know
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you can do the forefinger sort of swype
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thing and go from sort of app to app
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that way and it's just like
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unnecessarily slow so yeah I almost
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never used that as a result of that but
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that's currently I guess the state of
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the art the only other thing I was going
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to head to the ipad discussion since we
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the pro that i'm using now still feels
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superfast the newer 9.7 pro super fast
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slow these days I still use it for you
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know for certain times reading take it
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would at 399 for the mini and it's also
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it's been over two years right since
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it's been updated at this point oh yeah
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know i mean it's it's hard to say i
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don't know i guess it really it comes
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down to how many people are buying it I
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mean it an Apple Apple knows that and
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surprised either way I wouldn't be
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surprised if it gets a very quiet update
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more or less like with the specs of the
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quote new 9.7 inch iPad just in the
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smaller size and it just right sits
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there that may know I don't know who
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knows if they could lower the price but
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you know
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um maybe and I would be surprised if it
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just never gets updated in two years
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from now it just goes away that the sort
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of got killed by the plus-size iPhones
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right and yeah especially if you know
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when the if and when this new its
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top-of-the-line iPhone comes out if that
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even makes it even more of sort of a
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glaring discrepancy between them yeah
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the the pro uses like I don't think
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there's ever going to be an iPad Mini
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Pro I just don't but I don't they they
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gonna make keyboard that small I think
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it would be would really take child I
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did get one of those keyboards that was
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like the logitech one that you could use
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with it they was so ridiculously small
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not very useful uh it is good though as
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a like a reader you know like it because
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it is wrong emphasized and so if you
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really do just read but maybe they're
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thinking is that for the people who do
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use it they mostly just reading it
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doesn't matter if it's long in the tooth
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and a little slow at this point I don't
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know yeah but I can't see I'm adding a
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smart connector and having a keyboard
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for it yeah did just it it's too small
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the screen size to actually make an
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ergonomic keyboard and you all you have
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to do is play with logic 1 45 seconds to
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know that I am I talked about this
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before I still think it's interesting
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that the Apple 18 when they had me they
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had a briefing for the new iPad and
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clips app and stuff and I went up to New
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York and and saw it they they don't have
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a special keyboard for the new 9.7 inch
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iPad but in collaboration with logitech
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they're supporting this logitech case /
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keyword which is sort of it's very thick
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it's like rugged but it's you know you
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can totally see if you think about it in
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the context of like a k-12 school you
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think oh yeah I can see why they would
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love that because it looks like
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something that would easily survive like
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a drop but one of the reasons it's
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important is that you put it into this
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case you put the ipad in this case
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that's totally surrounded and it has a
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lightning port inside and i don't know
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if it has a battery or not but that
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means that it's not a bluetooth
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connection to the keyboard it's a
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hardware connection to the keyboard
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through lightning
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and that's essential for k-12 because
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all of the standardized tests that take
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place on a computer it's mandated that
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there's no wireless connectivity yes and
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you can understand you know it's I see
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it I get it no wireless whatsoever it's
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like complete airplane mode otherwise
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the software decks that you're not
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airplane mode and and won't run and I
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could totally see I've got my app I feel
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like if it if a kid can cheat via
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bluetooth that would be pretty
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impressive um but yeah I understand
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fraud I mentioned is the other week on
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the show with dan frommer he said that
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he and his friends used to I forget if
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he said Palm Pilots I forget what they
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had but when he was in high school I had
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something and they were I ahran their
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cheats to each other if they're just all
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I wonder if they I remember like you
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know that remember like the ti heels in
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Texas Instrument sort of scientific
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calculators we used to have all sorts of
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fun things on that I think you could run
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doom like it an emulator to run doom on
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it and some other fun stuff yeah you're
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too young you're you're you're too young
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for me I didn't have anything of that
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capability but we had calculators that
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had they just had the the numeric
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display but you could type letters in
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them too but it was only on one row and
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it had like memory functions and so our
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cheat our way of cheating was to put the
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brief as possible cheap notes in those
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memories auctions and they don't bring
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them up and instead of just being
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numbers it would you know be some sort
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of like 32 character oh yeah that's how
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you know that's how you yep yeah
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children find a way yeah no matter the
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technology anything else that you want
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to talk about um the only other thing
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and we can sort of briefly talk about it
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just because I did think it was
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interesting you you had sort of a
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shortest rant and linking to something
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some of the ipad stuff we were just
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talking about is the app bundle size
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thing ah because there was also like you
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and I had a not really back and forth I
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responded to you and they both got a ton
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of yours and mine both got a ton of
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likes because i think this resonates
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with people you were talking about in
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that tweet the dropbox app like why is
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it 260 megabytes or whatever and then in
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your linked post you were talking about
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someone wrote a breakdown of why the
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facebook app is so big now right I so I
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noticed this because I was without Wi-Fi
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service for a week or so and so I was
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living entirely off LTE and I have i
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upgraded our verizon plan to quote
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unquote unlimited but i've read the fine
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print when we did it like our family
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plan and unlimited is not really
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unlimited there's i forget what point
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but there's a point where they reserve
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the right we're in your month if you go
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over like 20 gigabytes or something they
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reserve the right to throttle you
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something like that it's not really
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unlimited and so one of the things I did
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in the week or so I was without Wi-Fi is
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I didn't update any of my apps with the
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update all I would just go through and
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look for ones that I either thought were
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essential or like small and it's amazing
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how many apps so more or less I didn't
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update any app over a hundred megabytes
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and by the end of the week I had like
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twenty six app updates it's amazing it's
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amazing how many of them are over 200
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megabytes I know and I mean that's
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without question that's creeping up
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across all apps over time is it was sort
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of one at maybe it was the clips app or
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something like that it was one of
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apple's apps i noticed the other day you
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know i think it was clips maybe and it
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was like 6 megabytes and i was like oh
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my god I don't even remember the last
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time I saw an app update that was that
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tiny because they're all now at least 50
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and then many are over 100 some over 200
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low you were talking about and it's
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insane and so I like that the thing you
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linked to like sort of breaking down
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looking unpacking the the you know
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Facebook's bundle for that and they just
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have so much cruft in there that's
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that's obviously duplicate duplicate
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let's get you happy to the same
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framework to put get copies of the same
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image assets and and even that even if
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you got rid of all the duplicates it
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that still seems like it would be big
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but it's crazy I know I know from
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somewhat and I know one of the things is
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that it's these analytics packages that
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the apps are all using and that they
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come as binary blobs where you just they
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give you this framework to toss into
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your Xcode project and the whole thing
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is in there and it's you know and then
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somebody else is from the SEO team on
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your company is like what we want this
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analytics product to and then all of a
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sudden you got two of them and they add
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up to 100 megabytes and it's not it not
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even your app uh right about the example
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is an innocent either because the iworks
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apps are humongous Oh huge and Microsoft
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those are some of the worst that I works
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all the the productivity stuff whenever
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I have Microsoft Word one of them and it
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was like it was like six hundred
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megabytes like what in an app update
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what are they doing it's all templates
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and and the image assets to go with the
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template I can't imagine what else it
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would if you languages and I I don't
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even know um one of the things I know
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obviously Facebook does one of the
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reasons for the bloat is there always
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including various a be tests in their
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app and so they will trigger things
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based on country I think based on other
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things as well to try to you know a be
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test various functionality back in the
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TechCrunch days you know I used to to
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sort of know where to look and who to
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ask about sort of unpacking some of that
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because you could always find stuff I
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think I found the ipad version of the
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facebook app when it was still bundled
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in before there was an official ipad
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version because it was baked into the
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you know the standard iOS version and so
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is right there and i'm sure they're
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they're always doing stuff like that I
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it I feel like it's getting out of
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control though and part of it I noticed
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it with this I've noticed it before that
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but I noticed it with this week where I
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didn't have Wi-Fi but I've noticed it
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before and it just seems preposterous to
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me I mean like I'm not say I mean we you
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know we were finicky and fussy but
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vesper I'd looked it was the the last
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version of Vesper which is still in the
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app store is 5.5 megabytes wow yeah
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that's impressive huge chunk of that is
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that we embedded a custom font it's if
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we use the system font it would have
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been even significantly smaller uh
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update versus how frequently they have
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new versions and it's yeah i mean they
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famously say in their update notes we
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update the app every
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the same with messenger messenger is
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almost as big I feel like in that you
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know the facebook Messenger product and
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then facebook has several other apps
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that are all sort of roughly in the same
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situation and then I that an offshoot of
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all of that reminds me of this was
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several weeks ago Twitter actually added
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something in their settings to basically
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kill clear the cache um and when I did
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that I had like a gigabyte worth of
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information in there like what on earth
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they were cashing I guess images and in
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gifts or something from like years and
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years ago it was a gigabyte worth of
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data what Twitter 140 characters hey so
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in a world where all but the newest
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devices were still sold in 16 gigabyte
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configurations you can have a gigabyte
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of all tweets stored there I don't know
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but I feel like it's it's getting out of
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control and I know that in the early
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years of the app store it was a pretty
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big deal i think the limit was a hundred
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where you could rise like 100 / rights
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it was the limit where so had to be on
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Wi-Fi otherwise you could be on cellular
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and it was a big deal for developers to
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stay under 100 because i wanted users to
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be able to update as soon as they could
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extended strike stretch they wanted them
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to get the updates but it seems like
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they've just blown past that uh but it's
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a Syria it adds up to serious bandwidth
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so like I checked like um I think I pay
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fifty dollars a month for an AT&T
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cellular service on my iPad and I'm
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thinking about giving us up when I next
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get an ipad but my strategy when i
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bought it's an ipad mini and i got it I
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don't two or three years ago probably
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like three years ago but that's my
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personal iPad and my strategy was I'm
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gonna have verizon service on our the
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whole family's iphones and i'm going to
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get AT&T on my ipad so that if i'm ever
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similar verizon you know I got a
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vacation or something and there's no
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good verizon service i'll have AT&T
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service and i pay 50 50 bucks for seven
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gigabytes a month and i think i think
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amy pays like 30 bucks for four
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gigabytes or
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I don't know but it's very single digit
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gigabytes of bandwidth a month and if
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you've only got four gigabytes of
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bandwidth in a month and app updates are
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200 megabytes each all right five app
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updates use up what a quarter of your
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bandwidth you could easily chew through
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the four gigabytes and I don't feel like
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people know that I think people realize
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that hey if I'm going to stream video
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that's going to chew up my bandwidth
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like if I'm going to watch YouTube for
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an hour to I that's obviously i'm using
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cellular i'm using my bandwidth if i
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watch a major league baseball game in
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the MLB app i know that i'm using oh you
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know significant chunk of my bandwidth
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like updating my apps doesn't feel like
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that should be squandering a huge
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percentage of my monthly bandwidth but
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it is because people have you know a lot
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of people have a pretty low single-digit
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number of gigabytes a month of bandwidth
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to use yeah I mean I the exact same
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situation when I was last moving same
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thing we were using sort of a tethered
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device I think was a mifi unit that I
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just gotten and hooked up to our AT&T
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account and not even explicitly but I
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just either forgot or I have too many
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devices to even remember every single
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one of them but I would just leave it on
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if I left it on at night we would always
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have to turn it off because if I left it
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on they would auto update because you
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know it considers it to be Wi-Fi because
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I'm connected to a mifi unit right and
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so it would auto update and then I'd
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look at the bill and we would blow past
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our when I'm like 20 gigs in like four
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days there's almost all from a pup days
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we weren't watching video it was like it
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was crazy mark mark Oh Lauren has a
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funny story about that from years ago he
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was at WWDC and he was tethering you
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know what in the era of relatively low
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gigabytes per month and he was tethering
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and he wanted to set up so he could
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publish a podcast that they recorded any
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left he left his it went to bed and he
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left his macbook open and it downloaded
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and the iTunes downloaded a new episode
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of mad men in HD it costs him like
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seventy dollars I got like a single
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episode of the show you subscribe to it
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was like a seventy dollar overage fee or
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something that's because their mac does
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it anyway uh no that's a good topic I
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don't know what's going on but I feel
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like apples got to get on top of this
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because I don't feel like we're just
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crazy old men
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whoo all right there you go get off my
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lawn with your big ass apps there's no
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reason for these apps to be so big
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there's absolutely no reason for it it
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reminds me well two things Orion's me of
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coz one it reminds me of back when you
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know they tried to launch magazines on
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the iPad right and like they were
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massive because they were just pictures
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of of pages all right they would like
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scan in a picture of a wired magazine
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and that would be the app and so they
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were each each individual artists owed
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each individual issue was like 700 to
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800 megabytes and it was just so
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ridiculous and so tedious to download
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they seem to have streamline that a
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little bit obviously there's less of an
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emphasis on it these days but I noticed
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they just down there downloading faster
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so i assume that they're smaller the one
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other thing is this actually came out a
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couple weeks ago I think so Twitter now
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Twitter one of the things further
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launched recently was Twitter light li
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te it's like the lite version of their
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service because of this problem right
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like in in developing countries they
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can't possibly download you know 250
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megabyte apps or have your twitter app
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store a gigabyte worth of data and so
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they ended up launching it's just on the
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web and it's the same thing Facebook did
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back in the day this was several years
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ago they launched a Facebook Lite and
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like when they launched these things
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like you know everyone seems to praise
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them for it because it's like wow it's
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so great it's so fast I remember I
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wanted I would try to use Facebook Lite
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as my main thing even though it's meant
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for sort of third world countries so
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they're all like they have these funny
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ways around it because they know that
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that situation is just completely
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untenable certainly outside of the
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United States and so they have like
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whole teams now devoted to launching
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lite versions of their product it's I
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don't know what the solution is but
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something's got to be done because it's
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it's getting out of hand and it's only
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getting worse I just can't help but feel
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too that when i read that technical
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analysis of the facebook app bundle and
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how many duplicate resources and
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frameworks they have like the the
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project the xcode project to build it
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must be like a total like mess of
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spaghetti logic yeah there's just no way
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that you get in that situation
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there's no good there's no good
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explanation behind that well and the
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problem also I assume you know unlike
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sort of like like you with Vesper where
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you know you have a very small team
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workout it you know Facebook presumably
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has hundreds if not more people working
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on all of these things and so you can
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say like just you know stream lights of
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it that's like whose job is that you
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need like an overseer of the code right
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I guess I mean I guess I can see how it
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happened but it's still not a good
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explanation where if the people who are
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working on their a snapchat clone
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working on their a snapchat clone
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need they need to depend to build it
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they need a copy of the the facebook you
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know framework that the the everybody
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uses this framework with our core share
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code but the other teams need the same
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thing but they can't depend on where
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that is and that's all of a sudden how
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you have three copies of the same
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framework because right team a needed it
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Team B needed it and you know all of a
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sudden I also really liked his uh his
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note about like you know finding the
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strings that were like you will be fired
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if you include if you turn this on
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writers API that was about you and what
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you know my joke back to you about the
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dropbox one was like well yeah of course
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because they're including the dropbox
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stories into it but though i think
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someone else had even funnier when I
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thought were just like for the Facebook
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ones where it's like well yeah of course
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they're that big I mean they had to
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shove all of snapchat into the atom so
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what else you're gonna do uh look in
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here anything I do want to talk about
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clips a little bit or yeah we can I
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don't I don't have to i played with it a
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little bit I found it confusing when I
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was first using it but i only have
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played with it for a few minutes it
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sounds like you know you you did to sit
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down sort of a walkthrough with Apple
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about it what's from me from your view
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what's there what's their mentality I
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know you said something like you know
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obviously they didn't launch a social
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network there it's just meant for other
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networks right but um why why do it is
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it a reason to buy the iphone like
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what's what's the rationale I think the
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rationale is that they see these things
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as and I don't think we collectively
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have a name for it yet but that it's a
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new medium it's not quite a video it's
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not quite an animated gift it's sort of
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but it's it's got all these ideas where
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you can use text to annotate you can
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include multiple clips so it's not just
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one shot of video you can include stills
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it's meant to be viewed on a phone and
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you can do it with minimal fuss and that
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it's right up their alley to make its
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like the social networks are how they
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get distributed right instagram and
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snapchat and Facebook of course but that
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the tools to actually make
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the best possible version of this is
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exactly in Apple's wheelhouse of the
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sort of things that they do well and I
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still stand by I'm very proud of it as a
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tweet length review that it's like
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iMovie and keynote had a baby in a the
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baby got the best genes from both
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parents like I really do believe that I
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have a couple of small complaints about
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but one thing that they do that's very
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smart and I think it's why the the
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bundle size is so small is that all the
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they have all these like titles and
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certainly the music soundtracks they're
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not included in the download and so when
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you start using the app fresh if you
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want to get the soundtracks you have to
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download them okay that's good maybe
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that's what like Facebook and other
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should learn I think it's a great idea i
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think it's it's so you can start using
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the app with a minimal download and just
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downright and so if you are on cellular
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or slow network you can just download
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the ones you really want my only beef
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about it is i do wish there was a
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download all button like in itunes you
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can do that so like if you're using the
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iTunes music library you can have a
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music album that's in the cloud and if
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you just want one song you can download
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it but if you want to download the whole
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album you can download the whole album
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without clicking 11 times to download I
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feel like clips should have that for the
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title styles and for the music
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soundtrack why do you think though that
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they launched it when they did why not
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you know make it a feature of iOS 11 why
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do it as a fully standalone thing ah
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that's a good question i guess because
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it's ready and they feel like why not I
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add my guess and that you know maybe
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that they you know they see this as an
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exploding form you know these sort of
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stories based meme style many videos um
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you know one of the other things too
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that I think is central to it is that
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being silent is part of you know you can
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include sound you can include including
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those music soundtracks but the fact
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that a lot of people are going to listen
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to them in silence right is part of the
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idea and it's part of why they spent so
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much effort on this annotated text that
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gets the text as you as you you know
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where as you dictate it
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I feel like that they see this as it is
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my guess is that they see this our art
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form as exploding and that it makes
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sense to get it out sooner rather than
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later because iOS 11 isn't going to ship
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until September yeah they're on schedule
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so it's right so if they're wrong go now
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in early April and I think it is I think
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the app is certainly certainly in one
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point o shape it's very good one point
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of shape I feel like they don't want to
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wait you know maybe maybe do less as big
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monolithic OS updates and keep doing
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more as individual app update do you buy
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anything into the notion of this being
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sort of a toe dip into augmented reality
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because obviously we see that we see
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both Microsoft Google and a handful of
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others sort of launched on these things
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Microsoft just launched one thing called
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like sprinkles the other day which is
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you know effectively using some of their
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machine learning technology to sort of
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ultra images google just launched that
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thing where you can doodle and it will
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look up it you know try to match it to a
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picture so all of these guys are clearly
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doing that as both experimentation but
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also to sort of train data right to be
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better at that Dubai Apple trying to do
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that a little anything with a little for
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augmented reality have to call the face
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recognition as augmented reality right i
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mean it maybe it's not augmenting it but
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it certainly is it's it's it's reality
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aware is that a better way to say it you
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know where it shouldn't clip and it has
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three of your friends in it and the
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facial recognition is able to identify
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them and the fact that when you go to
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share it there the first three people
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that suggests sharing it too it's not
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quite augmented reality in the sense of
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okay here's goggles that show you the
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real world and overlay write-ins but it
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is machine learning for sure is and it
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is the device in your hand is making is
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aware of the real world it is saying i
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know right i'm shooting that's a picture
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of your son you know i know that you
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know it I almost feel like augmented
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reality is is a term that's not going to
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pan out I feel like it's more just
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devices being reality aware
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yeah and I think like I I don't disagree
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with that because I do think you know
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sort of everyone assumed augmented
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reality would be sort of like what the
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magic leap videos are right where it's
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like you're looking out and you have
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glasses on or something and then a whale
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jumps out of the rent of street but what
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we're seeing is like the mainstream
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usage at least right now of course of
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what you would call quote-unquote
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augmented reality is more long lines of
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snapchat filters and Pokemon go right
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where they're just different there's
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there's nuance to how they're they're
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not quite not quite like that Pokemon
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goes a little bit more like that but
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snapchats more just what you were
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talking about sort of you know being
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able to to recognize a face and do
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manipulation of that and if you think
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about it with a little bit of battery
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you could like why can't your iPhone be
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as aware of where it is as as you are it
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there's I think it's I don't think we're
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very far from this at all and I mean
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this in the sense of beyond GPS like GPS
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is certainly one aspect of knowing where
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it is but like when I'm walking down
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Broad Street in Philadelphia like if you
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had me blindfolded until the moment and
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then you open my eyes it's only going to
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take me an instant or two to realize you
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know where I am on Broad Street and
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