Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► good it's been a long time it's been a [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► long time you sound good [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► oh hey that's nice thank you you sound [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► good too thank you [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► do I sound like I have a new power [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► supply on my computer I can feel the [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► clean power 300 watts yeah huh mm-hmm [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► I can feel it it's like a like an SVT [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► just putting that clean thump thump [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► loved so does that that's a power supply [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► inside the computer or do you talk about [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► the outboards like a power brick no it's [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► uh it's a classic I had classic symptoms [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► of a classic problem it was classic oh [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► not hard to fix oh that's classic but [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► it's you know it is a I mentioned this [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► in some other places but this is worth [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► mentioning because I think this is the [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► kind of thing that probably well I feel [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► like I know drives you crazy [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► it's here's how this evidences to [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► Tuesday nights ago I'm just doing my [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► thing on my computer and I don't do as [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► you do and it goes away as the beer goes [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► away well as though basically some [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► import sprite had just disconnected to [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► power like pulled the movement out of [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► the outlet it goes away from I think oh [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► oh that's not optimal so I'm going back [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► I bring it back up I think you know [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► probably one-time thing I will go [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► through this whole thing but it's yeah [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► it's one of those kinds of problems [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► that's difficult it's difficult to [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► reproduce because the nature of the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► problem the evidence is itself in fairly [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► random things so then step two of that [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► is I start doing the troubleshooting [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► which is you know it involves a lot of [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► like incantations and chicken bones and [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► then you just wait but there's something [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► a peculiar kind of purgatory to being [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► nearly certain that the tool that you're [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► using is going to break at any second [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► you have a very different view of how [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► you use that device when you know that [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► it could go any second oh yeah it's a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► strip but I mean you've had this part [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► like you wonder if that is the power [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► going to go out because my phone battery [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► going to die [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► but in this case it's even worse because [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► I'm like okay well I no need to leave [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► this running and test this thing but I [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► you know I want to do stuff still I'm in [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► the early stages of grieving where I [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► like I haven't like got my mind right [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► you know yeah you haven't gotten your [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► mind right [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► that's terrible feeling and so I'm just [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► sitting there way and then it goes but [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► then I go okay [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► gotta get fresh set of chicken bones I [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► have a used type of delay pedal that [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► would just sometimes go into demo mode [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► huh like like you're over at the store [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► and you want to show off what the thing [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► can do yeah yeah the the the the mode [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► that I'm not even sure why it's built [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► into the thing you should just if you're [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► a company like that you should just [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► build one that's a demo and give it to [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► Guitar Center and it can sit and demo [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► but all of them had built into it this [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► like sort of cycle through everything it [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► does so that I guess you could sit a [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► guitar Center and just turn on this [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► feature and and these are strum yeah and [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► then hit here it goes through it saying [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► but it would go into it just sort of [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► randomly and it happened one night we [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► were playing with the Decembrists in [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► Boston and it was right when the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► Decembrists were getting big and it was [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► kind of right when the long winters were [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► getting big and it was a it was a big [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► show and it was one of those shows that [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► hadn't expected to sell like buzz had [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► accumulated while you yeah yeah yeah we [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► were out you know the early shows on [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► that tour were not very well attended [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► and by the middle of the tour the shows [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► were sold out and by the end of the tour [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► the shows were getting moved to a bigger [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► venue kind of what you always hope for [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► and so it's Boston and there's you know [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► that it's oversold right there kids kind [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► of hanging on the walls and halfway [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► through our set my delay pedal goes into [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► demo mode oh my god and when it went [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► into demo mode the normal way that you [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► turned it [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► no longer worked you couldn't just like [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the delay pedals on click the switch it [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► goes off but when it's in demo mode no [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► there is no switch to click off because [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► it's cycling through every and so it [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► just has to do its thing it just has to [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► run its course oh my god and so I said [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► there through an entire song and just [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► you know and it's a it's a delay pedal [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► right so it's like here's what it can do [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► Wow Wow wait while you're trying to play [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► rock and roll power chords yeah I [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► planned you know stupid or whatever and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► uh and it was really it was really fun [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► it was fun for me that was back at a [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► time when I had a real sense of humor [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► about things you so I could use it you [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► guess and it ah really I was just [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► sitting there thinking to myself if I [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► could be on the shop floor of line 6 [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► right now mmm it grabbed the foreman I'm [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► just like ghost of Christmas past this [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► used to be equipment that you could save [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► your life you'd be hanging from a thread [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's right yeah you need [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► those things to be tough I've had a lot [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► of pedals over the years well first of [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► all there's just always the thing of [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► like it's at least back in my time this [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► might have changed it was always [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► difficult to know without tasting your [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► 9-volt like exactly how much juice you [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► had left yeah okay flat my bolt yeah [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► right all right up here um but like you [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► know if you were in the middle of some [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► ragin solo and suddenly the signal gets [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► real quiet and then just goes away or [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► that's that would be the worst also I [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► had a lot I think you know you notice [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► with stomp boxes you get them and you [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► just use them forever and they get [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► treated terribly and clumped around [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► there are a couple that had ace I [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► remember in particular it was my wasn't [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► an Ibanez it was the boss distortion + [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► feedback pedal that orange pedal that I [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► use it for lots that is a pretty shitty [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► sound but I got a bad pedal but it's but [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► it was fun to see like what it would [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► come up with what feedback to make given [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► what you were doing it would be so [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► random and weird but uh that [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► had a loose a quarter-inch I want to say [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► on the input jack and sometimes you just [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► revert to a clean signal we just like go [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► up I need to reset myself now your cat [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► Stevens [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► ah you know it's frustrating when you [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► can't depend on things it is well in [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► fact right now I'm trying to send some [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► I'm trying to send some texts from my [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► laptop to people I'm trying to say look [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► I can't make it to lunch today yeah and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► uh the machine has decided that I can no [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► longer send text because my password has [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► changed and my password has changed [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► because sometimes we some time recently [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► it forced me to change my password [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► because of something you know there was [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► some reason that it needed something [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► different they did something to be [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► different all right because I I plugged [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► in my my iPad which I hadn't used in a [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► while because I wanted to start using it [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► as a drum machine I thought that was a [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► good idea so I plugged my iPad in it [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► told me that it needed to have a new [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► operating system I tried to ignore it it [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► said that didn't want me to try tonight [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► did I want that's right did I want to [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► sync my iTunes with it I said no it said [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► or that then it said you know all this [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► stuff and I finally surrendered it was [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► like alright okay fine I'll fine like [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► I've sworn I will never do this but this [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► time will be different won't it Apple [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► this time will be different this time [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► you'll do it'll be logical it'll be [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► natural you won't you won't ask me to [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► upgrade a thing if that upgrade will [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► brick the thing you would know [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► internally you would know that it [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► couldn't handle it and you wouldn't ask [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► so I'm going to trust you and so I went [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► on and it gave me some cryptic message [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► like there can only be one iTunes [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► account would you like them would you [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► like this to be that or [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► they know I know I don't hit the wrong [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► thing because the the consequences are [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► unknown and so that consequences are [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► unknown that's precisely right it's not [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► that you know them because the languages [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► there's it's a huge deal I mean there's [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► one you probably got in the last couple [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► years which was something along the [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► lines of f you updated iOS it said [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► something like do you want to switch [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► over to cloud drive or something like [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► that and you go you'd normally personal [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► of course I want to switch over to cloud [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► drive or whatever the F it's called but [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► like this if what it didn't tell you was [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► that that was an iOS only feature it was [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► not available on your Mac and the way [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► that your all your cloud stuff work [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► would change fundamentally you might not [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► be able to get to some of it until the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► operating system on your computer was [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► updated but that's the but that's you [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► know what that doesn't fit in a pop up [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► message well and so what happened was I [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► put this thing on which had uh you know [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► eight hundred songs on it and it spent [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► an hour but churning yeah I thought I [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► was like I was like huh that's [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► and then when it came back up all my [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► music was gone because it had synced to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► an iTunes - it synced to the iTunes on [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► my computer that had come with a free [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► michael franti CD and that u2 album yeah [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► tell me so oh no this is bad all that's [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► on my iPad now is nothing and put a new [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► iOS on there that that has now turned it [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► into a thing where if you touch [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► something on the screen it thinks about [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► it for a while it goes and makes a pot [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► of coffee and it comes back and it [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► decides whether or not it's going to [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► follow through you're currently [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► evaluating your requests [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► yeah and half of the apps crash the [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► thing now I mean it was like the thing [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► was better the iPad was more useful when [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► I was using it as a hot like a like a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► trivet yeah sure he put a put a pan on [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► there yeah than it is now that don't [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► have any OS it just makes me want to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► kill but you know I will help you sell [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► troubleshooting that [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► might be useful it seems like it's it [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► seems like it's done right the music's [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► gone [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► what is the troubleshooting like the [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► music they just they evaporated it well [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► right not still that stuff I want to [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► save for after we're done recording but [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► there's some good security hygiene you [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► should do it sure at your earliest [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► opportunity and that's one thing but uh [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► you know it depends it might be confused [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► about if you have more than one Apple ID [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► this is a very confusing matter this did [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► not used to be such a confusing matter [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► lots of people when they signed up for [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► Apple stuff at the time it required an [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► Apple ID got a new Apple ID that could [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► be me Mac iCloud it could be Gmail it [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► could be whatever you signed up with [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► it's very confusing and a lot of people [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► don't know that they have more than one [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► Apple ID where the username and the [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► password match and so if you enter in [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► the wrong one very confusing things [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► happen because you're basically asking [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► it for an entire different set of files [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► so was that stuff that you had synced [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► directly to the iPad with iTunes [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► previously like with a tethered [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► connection [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► this isn't here's the problem for many [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► many years I had that that desktop that [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► I've used over the years to record our [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► program and that was my main computer [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► and that's the thing that I synced my [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► phone to and that I synced my iPad to [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► yeah then I bought a laptop and when I [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► arrived with the laptop it we were past [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► the we were past the border into the [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► clewd mmm [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► and and so the new laptop was like hello [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► welcome to computing it says though [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► you've never heard of a computer before [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► so would you like me to it looks like [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► you're trying to compose a message would [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► you like to walk through how that the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► miracle of in of the cloud man and I was [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► like yeah I just I got I believe me I've [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► used computer before thank you let me [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► just get to where I was you know and [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► they're like oh well you know you can [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► keep all your music in the cloud and I [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► was like I don't think I can I mean over [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► the years I've already had this problem [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► where they're like oh this you don't you [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► know this song [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that you've been listening to for five [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► years now you don't have access to it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► because at some point in 1999 somebody [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► gave this to you right and it was fine [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► for a long time but now it's not fine [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► anymore little groups of eco type [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► situation where it's really sounds great [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► until you get there and then you're like [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► oh shit this is not going to work at all [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► for what I'm going to accomplish [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► and when of course it does stuff like in [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► the last few years last two three years [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► it started doing stuff like where Apple [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► will for the first time ever incorrectly [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► guess what your music is and then the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► metadata is like now this is associated [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► with some obscure Led Zeppelin live [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► album you like no that's not what this [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► is right and then you lose them [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► consequently you guys stuff because when [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the metadata is wrong now there's a very [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► good chance things will just get lost [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► because it's not what it looks like it [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► looks like garbage now I have no idea [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► how to get the I mean because on my on [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► my desktop I have 50,000 songs or you [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► know I have like the all the music of [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► that I've had over the my whole computer [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► life I have no idea how to get those [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► into the cloud and I don't want to know [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► because every time I log on now the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► cloud tells me that I don't have enough [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► storage so I know I don't have enough [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► storage for 50,000 songs because all I [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► have on there is like a copy of the book [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► that I'm writing and uh what like to I [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► don't know I didn't even know what I [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► have on there it's nothing to I have [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► they gave me like five megabytes of [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► space oh this is a yes that this is a [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► huge deal this is a even the nerds are [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► like this is the most unconscionable [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► hardware thing they had was still [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► selling 16 gig devices which is [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► ridiculous you can't even update the iOS [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► and the OS in most cases but yeah the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► the parsimonious amounts of data it's [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► gotten better but it's still pretty [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► costly for what you get and will not [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► accommodate even basic stuff yeah all by [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► way of saying on my laptop I've just [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► said okay I don't need music on there I [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► don't know how to get it from my desktop [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► yeah and I just don't care but when I [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► synced my phone I finally was like well [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► I gotta sync my phone to my new computer [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► can't keep sinking it to this computer [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► from 2004 [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► well wiped all the music off my phone Oh [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► Jim because it's you know what I mean [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► because it's not on the new one it's not [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► on the new one yeah and I'm like and I [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► all I want is therefore to be able so [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► there to be a box that says would you [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► like the iTunes that's on your phone to [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► be the master or the one that's on the [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► computer to be the master right but it [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► doesn't allow for that and so all the [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► musics off my phone well then I had I [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► had it on my iPad which I was using to [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► control the Sonos until I just did this [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► thing I made this mistake again I forgot [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► to never upgrade I forgot to never never [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► trust their box always say cancel if [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it's if you push cancel and it's like [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► Yelp if it says would you like to use [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the app yes [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► or cancel and you cancel then you then [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► you go away you don't get to use it yep [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► you have to use the app if you're [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► looking at on your phone right and so [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► unless you unless you delete the app oh [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► I don't even know if I did I had do I [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► have the app probably that's the same [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► with you - if you get YouTube on your [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► phone it'll always use that and it's a [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► pretty crappy out so I never use Yelp [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► because apparently I downloaded the app [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► one time I never want to use the app if [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► they ask me I just want to look at the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► thing because it's right there I can see [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► it I just want to click on and look at [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► it I don't want an extra step to go look [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► at their app so I'm like and watch it [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► boot up and presumably take me to iTunes [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► so I'm always like no I don't care I [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► don't want to use Yelp I do not want to [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► use it not only do I not want to use it [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► I want to say the word Yelp with a wit [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► like spit coming out of the corners of [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► my mouth every time I say it like oh is [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► it on Yelp yeah anyway so I cooked up my [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► iPad and then all my musics gone from [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► there so the only place any of that [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► stuff lives anymore is my desktop which [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► I'm terrified of disturbing I'm a [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► terrified of waking it up from its nap [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► anymore because it contains multitudes [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and every other way every other way that [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► Apple has to force me to either buy all [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► that stuff again or go the rest of my [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► life only listening to Michael Franti [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► and spearhead Apple's trying to do it [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► and they're trying to do it by way of [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► these cryptic little pop-ups that it's [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► like would you like to make a decision [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► right now that's that [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► fully difficult mmm it feels that way [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► sometimes but you know there there is a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► dirt huh this is not a particular [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► interesting topic no it's not but you [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► know it is there I want to say I hear [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► your frustration because there's all [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► kinds of stuff that's super frustrating [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► you know one of those things is it did [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► feel like for a pretty long time Apple [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► there are two things at least that Apple [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► got pretty well which was that things [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► always did seem to be kind of getting [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► better things did get more reliable um [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► and there was the things there were [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► improvements and you accepted one [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► accepted them gladly because they did [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► improve the devices the software the [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► surface whatever where but but the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► second part is that it also kind of felt [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► like like you got used to Apple being a [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► good shepherd being a good guy being a [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► good Sherpa being a good good friend [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► like you know you could just hit that [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► Update button if you're about to get on [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► a plane and know that like yeah you know [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► spring a chance is not just gonna really [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► screw up and this is the most horrible [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► general kind of comment but I think in [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► both cases the feeling as a typical [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► garden-variety user is that neither of [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► those things is the case anymore and [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► then both trends are going the other way [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► if you you know if you do if you do run [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► some kind of an update especially on iOS [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► it is like we said it's very unclear [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► sometimes what's going to happen after [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► you do this and that's that makes people [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► resistant the last thing you want is to [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► have people resistant to operating [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► updating the operating system but you [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► know hand-in-hand with that is that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► second part which is like now I'm scared [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► you use my desktop because I don't want [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► do anything that makes it eat all of my [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► mp3's because it has a different account [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► associated with it like what stuff is [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► mine that I get to keep forever you know [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► I don't think they're trying to make you [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► buy it again I just think sometimes [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► there are pretty tone-deaf about helping [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► guide people into whatever the new thing [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► is going to be and sometimes they're [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► reluctant to just admit you know what [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► that way we used to do it we're really [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► abandoning that but we're not telling [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► you that you keep running this like it's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► a thing that's going to be there but [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► like unless you're in the you know the [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► Mac arathi and like following every [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► headline you're not going to know that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that thing's already very close to [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► end-of-life that basically wins the [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► stuff stops getting upgrades the stuff [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► stops you know what I mean that's not a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► salutary sign and you would notice that [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► if it's [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► working properly until just one day it [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► doesn't and I don't think they're very [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► responsible sometimes about [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► communicating that with people [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► well it's interesting we've talked about [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► the tech world for for a long time for [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► the decades and decades we've been doing [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► this program absolutely is one of our [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► one of our first topics this technology [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► decades ago that's right that's right [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► about biology this is you know if you go [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► on to LinkedIn you'll see the technology [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► is one of my whatever core competencies [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► I think I endorsed you for that or [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► whatever yeah thumbs upses but uh but [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► you know the not very long ago you and I [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► had a brief conversation where I was [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► saying you know I used to love a tweet [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► bot and Tweetbot tweet ba was this great [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► program I used it a lot and then it just [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► started to be less and less functional [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► it was it couldn't do certain things it [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► wouldn't I wouldn't let me see embedded [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► content it just sort of started to fall [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► apart and I kept using it wondering what [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► was going on and it felt like there were [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► a few times over the years where lonely [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► sandwich would put up an app or some [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► friend of yours would put up an app and [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► I would get it and I would use it until [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► it stopped being functional and I would [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► ask you and they were like oh yeah they [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► stopped using that or well you know [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► there was that why you know they just [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► stopped updating it it was it turned [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► into it how it happens it happens [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► sometimes stuff just goes away but like [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► you wouldn't expect like if you had a [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► favorite like kitchen knife you wouldn't [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► expect it to just stop working one day [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► if it became double you would notice [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► that and then deal with that buy a new [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► it but there's no you don't get a pop up [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► on kitchen knives that like oh by the [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► way this is no longer supported right [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► and so I figured that was what was going [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► on with Tweetbot well so I got to a [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► point where it just it wasn't functional [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► anymore and I and I was I was sad but I [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► went over and started using them the [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► Twitter app which was awful people have [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► strong shows about Twitter clients it's [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► a very it's very personal relationship [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► yeah but I put this out there on the web [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► and and I got a ton of people saying [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► well why don't you use tweet bot and I [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► was like well I did I thought it was tea [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► away so I wrote you and said what the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► WTF and you said oh you need to [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► companies and it seems like a simple [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► answer but it's actually the closer we [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► get to [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► what's actually happening it requires [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► like a whiteboard and a chalk talk to [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► explain why why your tweet bot is not [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► working yeah you're like oh you have to [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► go in and pay for the update that's the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► way that people that make small apps [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► that aren't like massive that's how they [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► fund it you have to go buy stop that's [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► how they get paid is how I would put it [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► sorry yeah they're not it's not like [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► they're you know putting out a tin cup [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► like this is what these people do for a [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► living that's how the only way they can [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► make money is to sell and you sell you a [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► new version or have in-app purchases [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► yeah yes that is how you explained it to [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► me at the time however that was not [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► clear to me as a layperson because I'm [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► not reading Macworld or whatever and so [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► how was I to know that it there was [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► never in tweet bought a thing that [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► popped up and said by the upgrade [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► because we don't we need to get paid [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► because this is what we do for a living [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► or there was never bail on your phone [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► that said oh by the way the ecosystem [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► you think you're used to has quietly [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► changed in the last few years here's [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► some bullet points from Apple explaining [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► exactly how the 70% take versus 30% like [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► oh here's what all that means like no [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► it's it's all it's a black art to even [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► understand why things happen like wire [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► what how come all of a sudden almost [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► everything is free but I have to pay for [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the good stuff well sit down have a [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► sandwich this is gonna take about [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► explain right and I was thrilled to buy [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► this $4.99 drum machine app for my iPad [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► because it was one of these moments [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► these you know I I've been down to the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► music store a few times like which one [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► of these Roland 808 is the right vintage [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► drum machine for me and I'm talking to [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► the tech dudes like if I get this will I [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► in there and they're kind of all looking [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► at me like I don't know how that works [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► man I just do it all in the computer [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► right I'm like you don't know how this [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► classic drum machine works they're like [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► nah we just have that here for the Nerds [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► like you some like the Greybeards that [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► want to come in and fondle something [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► from their childhoods we don't know how [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► it works it's not a thing that we would [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► ever use look at me I'm to live crude [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► yeah because drop whatever is 808 beats [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► whatever this 808 does there's thing on [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► my phone that does it ten times better [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► so [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► like get with the times and so I was [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► like ugh [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► but I found this this cool drum machine [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► simple to use and it's on the iPad and [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► it cost six bucks or something and I was [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► like that's six bucks that I'm happy to [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► spend it happy better to spend than 1500 [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► bucks on a on you know MC blow fish's [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► fucking 808 stays so I get it and it but [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► but I have to like get my whole system [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► in line and now I'm fucked now I now I [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► paid $5.00 for the drum machine and it [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► has to think about every beat and I [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► don't know if you I don't know if you [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► can speak to this but I certainly can [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► you do not want to think about every [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► beat you want this to not you know what [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► that's good that one's going in that's [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► going in the e-book says get that I [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► don't want it right you don't want to [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► have to think about every beat you don't [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► know uh well I'm done thank you so much [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► for tuning in to tech world [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► I'm John Kirkland and this is another [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► episode of why computers are amazing hmm [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► it's it's fun to fun it's fun to sit in [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► the Apple Store and listen to all the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► other conversations it's so I have a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► little initiative I guess everybody does [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► this if there's a thing that you feel [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► like you're super interested or know a [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► lot about you kind of want to do these [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► blind questions of people like I have a [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► friend who works on the Star Wars movies [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► and somebody was mentioning his checkout [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► person was mentioning um wrote one and [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► he was without revealing that he had [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► worked on some of the shots was asking [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► like what did you think about grand moff [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► tarkin and what did you think about that [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► any of the characters and I did a [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► similar thing we're like if I see [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► somebody wearing Apple earpods [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► I'll always ask them how out of [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► curiosity do you use double tap for Siri [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► or do you use double tap for play pause [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► you know if you want to go out and kind [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► of ask around and and learn these kinds [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► of things you you do that because you [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► have some you had some vested interest [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► in [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► that I just try I try to get a gauge I [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► do a little bit of Thomas Friedman work [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► right I like to just without being too [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► much of a nerd you know like if you're [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► in a ride ride hailing car like there's [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► a good chance that person's got some [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► personal technology they have to have [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► that in there and that's an interesting [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► times like notice like which phone [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► they've got how they're using it how [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► many do they have or like I go type it [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► up I pick up lunch for the family and I [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► notice that the burger place we go to [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► has an array of seven different not just [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► iPads but Samsung's they have an array [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► of they've got this whole area it looks [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► like you know Charles from the wrens you [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► ever look at his pedal board it looks [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► like that except it's all tablets to [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► take orders you know I'm just I'm a [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► different format yeah yeah from like [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► this is caviar this is you know spoonful [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► this is knife edge or whatever I don't [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► know I just always think that's [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► interesting to just kind of like get a [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► gauge about how other people are [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► thinking about and using technology and [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► the Apple Store is super interesting for [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► that just yeah yeah let me let me ask [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► you this yes you there um this sounds [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► like something that the old Merlin man [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► would do back when he was Merlin man and [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► was a technology pundit yeah I was a [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► seasoned today oh just you know yeah now [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► it seems like you're just a layperson [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► just a farmer you're just a farmer Merle [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► just as God made me uh and you're out [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► you know you're just out hoeing you're [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► your ro Helen my till why why exactly is [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► this just an is just like a distracted [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► interest or are you are you still still [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► is it or you like the Brad Pitt [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► character in the in the mortgage movie [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► or you know kind of keeping your hand in [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► the game even more the Christian Bale's [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► oh the Christian the Christian Bale on [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► the picture did you times I got some [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► speed metal in a confusing high because [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► I like sitting on the bus and listening [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► to people talk I do - I just like [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► observing people in the wild not not not [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► in a snarky like I want to put your [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► picture on the internet with your raven [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► kind of way but like you know like oh [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► no that's just that is super interesting [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► watching even how the lady my genius at [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► the app bar like how I thought they even [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► say genius or Apple bar anymore but the [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► woman who helped me get my computer [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► repair like watching how she interacts [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► like wow how she does stuff on the phone [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► that's it's not out of a vocational need [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► really although this stuff does come up [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► on you know I don't know I don't know [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► how you define what it is that I'm doing [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► these days but like it does come up I [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► end up talking are several shows we're [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► like I have three different shows where [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► stuff about Apple will come up even [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► though it's not the primary topic but [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► it's mostly just my own interests like [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► talking to my friends watching what [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► they're doing but you know it's I don't [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► know I'm not sure the point I'm trying [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► to make except that it there is such an [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► interesting and confusing range of [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► people's reckons about technology that [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► you really get to overhear as they as [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► the consumers playing it to the person [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► at the Genius Bar and you know let's you [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► know that's not every genius is a genius [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► you get real differing wait a minute [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► wait a minute not all geniuses bouncing [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► whole hold the phone yeah this about [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► Bernie where's John is this about Bernie [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► break they don't exist [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► I my computer's not working right now [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► and it's the thing is that having done [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► this with the iPad now my laptop and my [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► whole system doesn't work right because [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► I had to do all these things in order to [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► upgrade I had to change passwords and [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► then in by changing passwords I reset [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► settings accidentally not on purpose it [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► wasn't that I did it it was that the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► computer did it without asking right so [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► now my message app won't let me send [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► messages and I keep sending it and then [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► Google just sent me an email saying an [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► unsecured insecure app just tried to log [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► on to your Google and that and I'm just [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► in the laptop sending messages via the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► message app like I didn't have anything [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► to do with Google on this but but it's [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► going through some you know yeah it's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► going through the the passages of my [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► mind or whatever hmm uh and so anyway so [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► here I am I got I got three messages I [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► need to send I need to send them [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► kisum so that's crazy problem I'm [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► putting anger right now I see I'm trying [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► not to talk about this on the program [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► because we should talk about this [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► offline you're worried that somebody [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► listening to the program is going to [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► immediately use their superior hacking [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► qualities to how am i sorry I'm worried [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that's already happened on somebody's oh [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► I see so if you can't if you're if [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► cranium you should never need to change [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► your password to do an update that's oh [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► no I don't think I had to do that it was [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that they it was that uh why I mean [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► honestly I have no idea right they think [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► the thing to do to figure this out is to [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► take your known good Apple name and I'm [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► trying to look you up here look whatever [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► you're using for your come on contact [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► card yeah you should go and see if you [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► can log in you go to icloud.com [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► and see if you can log in with what you [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► know to be the correct credentials yeah [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► all right well Annie what you should do [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► so thanks for your coming apart thank [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► you thanks for coming to Mack comm show [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► I'm your host you-you-you don't ask [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► aunty your sequestered from from so much [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► of my world probably by design you can't [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► even imagine the feedback that I get [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► from people about what I should be [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► helping you with it's very frustrating [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► to people that I'm not constantly going [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► in and correcting anything that's even [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► slightly wrong you're running from [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► submit but also if you have the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► slightest technical problem the entire [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► internet is very frustrated with me that [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► I don't fly to se a B Viva Seattle [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► Tacoma leave a SeaTac and personally go [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► I'd help you with whatever your [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► misunderstanding [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► oh yeah feedback I get feedback about [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► this yeah I'm I'm a pro straighter with [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the - what the hell aren't you doing [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► that I know you know what this is part [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► of Jeff oshins portfolio why don't you [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► fly up here and fix this this message [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► app right now oh you know what it is [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► it's this it's the second device [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► authentication did I agree to that I [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► agreed to which means that now I can't [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► do anything without [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► also finding my phone and typing in they [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► might have lock your car keys into a [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► second set of car keys I did oh so look [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► at you so just look at you squared away [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► okay oh wait a minute what was that that [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► just happened why did I oh no what [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► happened John ah it said you need to put [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► this code into your other machine and I [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► said okay he dismissed an and then I'm [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► and then I dismissed it no because I [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► didn't know where I wanted me to put it [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► chit chit and and I was like a Zapotec [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► get back but you got in you found you [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► can find your car keys inside the car [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► keys you're gonna get a lot I'm gonna [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► try right now hang on okay yeah but this [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► is such good radiuses good fun um I got [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the numbers in verifying trust this [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► browser it asks me do I trust the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► browser what is that what blew the [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► browser Safari then he got hacked I got [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► a virus I got heck with the virus be [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► said you done dude it okay alright I [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► oh wait a minute hey my cloud storage is [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► almost full oh it's photos videos [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► documents and data will no longer be [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► updated but I can learn more let's see [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► what it says good manage my iCloud [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► storage oh I can increase my storage [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► just 50 gigabytes who would ever need [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► that many gigabytes for $0.99 US dollars [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► a month you know I'm a flurbot terabyte [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► go for the terabyte I'm not going to put [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► another eel on my bottom [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► it's you know it's like it's it's like [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► um it's like the the Cosa Nostra right [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► they stopped by your cheese shop and [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► they go you got a real nice cheese shop [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► here it'll be a shame if anything [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► happened your camembert it's it's like [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► that except in this case the putting the [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► army'll on you with attention where it's [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► like every morning it's gonna go you [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► know what I mean well I mean in the time [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► okay here's the great thing in the time [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► that it took me to write and set to [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► write the person I was trying to so so [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► there's a mayoral race in Seattle this [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► season and uh my good friend former [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► mayor Mike McGinn mm-hmm has thrown his [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► hat back in the race to run against his [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► arch nemesis and current mayor uh ed [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► Murray Cassie [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► ed Murray had a dust-up ed Murray is in [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► the newspapers a lot recently here and [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► I'm not trying to be provocative but I [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► feel like I've heard some things uh he [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► has uh he is it in the midst of scandal [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► okay he says when she says is uh like [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► dirty tricks right well I mean I I don't [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► have any problem just outlying the facts [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► of the case [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► yeah which are that uh you know ed [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► Murray is gay he was a volunteer and [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► like a like a an activist a community [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► activist in Portland in the 80s okay [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► and he was in his 30s in the late 1980s [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► and he worked with you know at-risk [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► youth for many years accusations have [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► dog Tim's that he in the process of [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► mentoring uh street kids groomed and you [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► know helped a couple of them uh in the [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► sense that he let the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► live at his house okay and uh and then [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► the accusation then there were [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► accusations at the time that he had that [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► he was sexually abusing them and this is [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► was like a a whisper in the press or was [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► this kind of a public say no he wasn't [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► he wasn't I don't think prominent enough [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► then that it would have been a whisper [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► in the press know a kid actually went to [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► the cops okay in the eighties thanks and [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► in the 80s it was a scene where you know [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► here was this upstanding sort of guy in [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► his 30s who is working with at-risk [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► youth versus a 15 year old drug addict [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► street kid and so the cops just you know [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► brushed it under the table right they [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► just like the they didn't pursue it so [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► now at right at the start of this [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► election season the handful of guys who [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► were teenagers in the 80s have come [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► forward and said this happened to me and [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► they they all have a lot of supportive [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► for supporting evidence you know they [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► all remember a certain sort of aspect of [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► his penis it had a bump on it and a [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► cuppa [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► one of the guys remembers Ed's phone [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► number by heart you know from late 80s [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► and it was a you know it is precisely a [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► my own private Idaho scenario in some [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► ways right these guys were these teens [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► were Street kids and drug kids and they [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► were hustlers and they freely admit that [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► they were hustlers but this was a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► different scene with IDI right he was [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► like I mean one of the kids adopted Ed's [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► last name as his you know he was [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► borderline adopting them this is very [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► complicated [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► yeah and doing all that stuff you know [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► giving them money taking them to the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► doctor promoting them saying you know go [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► to college he was acting as a father [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► figure in a lot of ways [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► and they you know and and all these kids [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► say you know that in a way they loved [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► him and some ways really loved him but [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► he also was you know they kind of [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► weren't they didn't want to have his [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► penis in them hmm and that was sort of [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► what he would that was his game I guess [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► this is the accusation I have no I have [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► no knowledge one where they up obviously [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► and complicating matters further the [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► people that are from that are pushing [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► this lawsuit are it's a law firm and a [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► kind of a group that is a very [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► conservative Christian group that is [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► pushing a very strong agenda and they [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► come at at a few different ways they're [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► they're the type of group that does this [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► sort of thing to other politicians one [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► of the guys in the in the article the [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► newspaper article about these accusers [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► one of the guys had taken a masking tape [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► and written on the front of his blue [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► t-shirt written Jesus Saves in masking [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► tape across the shirt for the photoshoot [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► because he forgot to wear his Jesus [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► Saves shirt so that is you know the [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► leftists right are very suspicious of [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► that whole thing and so we're off to the [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► races right the mayor's office denies [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► everything they went to the dot they [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► went to had some doctor examine him and [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► say there's no bump on his penis even [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► though it's sort of one of those things [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► where it's like really there's like four [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► guys that all say the same thing um and [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► so it's like it's very it's very [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► complicated and all Oh non-complicated [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► also because if you're running against [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► him that's not the way you'd want to win [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► you were right well it isn't except that [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you know like this will bring a lot of [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► crazies into the [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► but the thing about McGinn is that he is [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► against Edie Marie profoundly and McGinn [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► doesn't care begin will never mention [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► this this this isn't on his radar at all [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► he he just he's against Ed's personality [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► he's against his policies he's a he is [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► he's a he's been sitting on the [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► sidelines for the last four years [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► just like chomping at it he really [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► helped my City Council campaign and it [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► was in that time that I realized that [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► he's a player he wants in you know and [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► so this was just a you know the lot a [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► lot of the reason that McGinn wouldn't [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► have run against it and I'm sure he was [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► conceived been thinking about it the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► entire time is Ed's a very good [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► politician too and had shored up support [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► from a lot of different quadrants and a [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► lot of that support in politics I [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► learned in running is I mean everybody's [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► very half-hearted they're like well we [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► don't like this about we don't like this [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► or that about this person but he's our [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► best shot so we're throwing everything [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► behind him right because there's no [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► there's no half endorsement in politics [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► nobody goes like well we sort of like [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► both people but you know I mean the only [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► people that do that are the stranger [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► right who who endorsed my opponent by [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► saying this guy's kind of a creepy [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► serial killer but he knows policy John [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► Roderick is a really fun rakish exciting [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► guy that we like a lot but he just [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► hasn't been in the game long enough and [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► that's an endorsement that helps nobody [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► or satisfies nobody right that's just [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like thank-thanks but most like the [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► union's everybody else restaurant it [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► would be like a restaurant review where [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► they can't personally find anything to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► like on the menu but they can give you [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► reasons not to order two different [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► things it's like well okay so should I [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► avoid the restaurant altogether like [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► right it's a I kid that's not really [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► super actionable unless I just side not [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► to vote yeah or just you just got you're [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► like I mean there [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► I guess they're open about lesser of two [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► evils but 99% of the people don't don't [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► read even that deep into it they just [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► they pulled the cheat sheet out and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► check the box that they tell him to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► check you sure but in this case the the [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► question of whether or not Mike McGinn [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► would run against Edie Marie was always [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► a question of how vulnerable is Edie and [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► Edie is a very good politician and so he [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► had shored up support from all of the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► groups all of the the all of the people [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► you need so he seemed in he seemed less [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► vulnerable not invulnerable ever right [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► but he seemed like if all the powers [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► that be were going to get behind him [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► he's a much more difficult person to run [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► against this this unfortunate [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► controversy and I and I don't mean it [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► just that it's unfortunate for Ed it's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► unfortunate for all involved it's and [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► and presuming I think that you kind of [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► can presume that there's truth to these [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► accusations cuz it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► unlikely you know it seems like there's [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► just points you get to and I don't know [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► anything about this I'm not trying to [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► speculate but you know there are those [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► kinds of things that you run into where [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► you're like this there's so many [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► different pieces coming to even small [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► pieces coming from so many different [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► places you know it isn't like a you know [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► well one-one idiot says Iraq has WMDs [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► you know it isn't even anything like [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► that it's more like there's so much [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► little bits of chatter and smoke from so [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► many different places it almost seems in [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the in retrospect with cases like that [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► it seems like there's probably something [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► going on well and also and this is the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► this is the problem that makes it hard [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► to shake for sure if if you talk to if [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► you talk to anyone who was a gay [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► teenager in the 1980s there was a [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► culture then and there wasn't there was [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► a culture that was that that just had a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► very different idea of what the age of [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► the appropriate age of consent was and [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► in a lot of these western states like [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► that the age of consent in Oregon has [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► been 18 for a long time but across [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► America the there are a there states [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► where the age of consent was 12 until [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► not that long ago no in Ohio for [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► heterosexual business uh-uh yeah because [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► because homosexual business was against [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the law no matter how old you were [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► there was no age of consent for it right [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► it could not be it was illegal by my [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► definition but the age of consent for [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► heterosexual sex in a mean it's still [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► very state to state and there are states [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► where it's 14 years old still there are [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► a lot of yeah there are a lot of states [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► where it's 16 like the number of states [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► that it was 18 were definitely in the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► minority for a long time I think that's [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► not true now but so so this idea that we [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► have that 18 years old is the age of [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► consent or even 16 is the age of consent [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► isn't necessarily that that's a that's a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that is an idea that has been evolving [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► over time and in the 80s in in Oregon on [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► the streets of Portland and I was on the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► streets of Portland in the 80s and it [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► was a dark and lawless place but it's [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► not just digitally can find a finally [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► wasn't there no but I did meet keanue we [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► went for a motorcycle ride but like all [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► of them all the American streets right [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► like the the gay communities were not [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► able to be out and proud they had they [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► had their own sort of system their own [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► law and a lot of you know if you talk to [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► Dan Savage about his own experiences or [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► anybody my age who was gay in the 80s [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► their experiences are incredibly varied [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► and a lot of them had mentors who were [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► older men that sort of brought them into [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the life showed them the way and were [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► and that's a thing that that in a [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► heterosexual context it never it's [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► always a little bit uh creepy the idea [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► of a mentor right or like an older man [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► that's going to show it your money [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► out anytime I just loves hearing about [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► these problems that you see or know I [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► think University University of [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► California is changing as of this week I [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► think changing the structure for how [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► things like especially things with [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► faculty get reported and tracked down [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► you know I mean that's I think that's [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► something where the anytime there's a [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► power differential there's going to be [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► questions right I mean anytime that [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► there is one person has venus otro for [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► sexual harassment that anytime there's a [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► power differential like the way that [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► every aspect of how that gets treated is [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► different it's one thing for it to be [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► your 18 year old neighbor and another [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► thing for it to be like a 40 year old [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► powerful man you know who has who has a [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► reputation and who has the ability to [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► affect any way it's just it's it's not [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► difficult not to look weird even that is [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► a recent you know or an evolving idea [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► right we we see that power now as a [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► thing that that it that power [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► differential as a thing that is that we [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► we pour a lot of energy into seeing it [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► as uh as exploitative um but that wasn't [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► the case in the seventies right or or in [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► the 90s even it is oh really [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► interactively interfer in terms of a [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► mutual consent mostly relationship yeah [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► just in that in that but it wasn't [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► usually like I I had several instructors [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► in college who dated students like who [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► were in the class with me that used to [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► be like a pretty normal thing my [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► guidance counselor at the University of [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► Washington when I was 22 and she was 38 [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► huh I remember this seduced me and um [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► and had control over my transcripts and [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► what because I was transferring to the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► University she was the person [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► determining what the my credits were [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► going to be like I was coming from a [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► school that had a semester system I was [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► joining a school that had a [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► system and it was sort of up to her [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► discretion whether or not a semester [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► credit was written down as a credit for [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► a quarter or credit for two quarters [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► almost every college garlis of how good [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► the colleges is if you transfer in they [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► will find a way to shave credit no [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► matter where you went and she found a [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► way to not shave those credits Wow [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► um she found a way because she had the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► she had the the number two pencil that [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► some of my higher level classes that [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► were owned that were a semester long got [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► turned into two quarters worth of credit [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► because we were sleeping together [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► and that wasn't mm-hmm that that wasn't [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► lost on me but and not not that I was [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► doing it not that I was doing it like [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► right now with malice aforethought it [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► wasn't like you said oh I'm gonna go [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► have this relationship in order to get [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► more credits no I had no idea that such [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► a relationship was possible until I was [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► in it but it became very weird later [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► when I kind of like you broke up with [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► her for lack of a better term and she [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► called my house my mom's house saying hi [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► this is John's guidance counselor I'm [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► really worried about him do you have any [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► information about you know like it was [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► there was an incredible power [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► differential and she was in the end I [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► think a very nice person who was in her [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► own life kind of going through a period [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► going through a a midlife crisis maybe [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► even and um and I always have seemed [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► older than I was or more mature than I [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► was but I it wasn't just that I was 22 [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► like I was pretty inexperienced not I [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► was not a 22 year old who had had [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► ten long-term relationships with girls [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► my own age you know I was still pretty [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► new I didn't lose my virginity until I [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► was 20 and I had you know and then [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► though that next couple of years from 20 [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► to 22 were not particularly fruitful [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► years in terms of getting to know ladies [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► and what and how to how to behave how I [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► behave myself and in do and she did [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► teach me right she taught me uh things [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► that I didn't know about things that I [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► didn't that hadn't occurred to me to [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► know you know yeah like it wasn't just a [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► she wasn't exploiting me or I mean I [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► didn't I didn't feel like I guess I felt [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► like that at the time but I didn't feel [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► like um I you know it's not like I was I [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► wasn't afraid of anything I'm not I'm [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► not exactly I haven't really thought [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► about it in a long time and tried to [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► process it in a modern context because [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► at the time it just felt like and you [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► know and if you say to your friends like [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► oh yeah they're like whoa right because [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► it's a because it's a the nature of a [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► younger man older woman relationship is [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► that people don't have sympathy for that [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► right they're talking about that this [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► week on DoubleX [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► gab fest they were talking about the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► whole thing of like just that that weird [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► imbalance between we're like if you see [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► an older predatory man with a younger [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► woman I mean you know a child or you [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► know teenager you everybody looks at [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► that and goes you but like there is [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► still this narrative of when it's an [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► older potentially predatory woman who's [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► using their power willfully in this case [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► maybe like everybody goes yeah right [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► like it's so like you know yeah but in [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► that case you like you were an adult you [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► weren't a minor at the time but there's [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► still in our Delta I mean and I but I [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► was a minor in my mind you know that I [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► was still a child but there was when we [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► when she and I would go shopping [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► this was always very interesting because [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of what I would talk to my friends and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► even my even my uh my girlfriend's like [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► my younger woman friends yeah it was [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► always it was always uh regarded as that [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► I that this was evidence that I was a [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► that I was a big wheelwright that I was [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► sleeping with this older woman that was [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► in a position of power and she was a [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► lawyer - I mean she she had she she had [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► left her career in order to work at the [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► University for some reason I don't know [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► maybe hmm maybe it was maybe because [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► look back huh has she ever been in the [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► clergy yeah exactly [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► but when we would go to the grocery [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► store together other middle-aged women [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► would glare at her and so much so that I [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► noticed it and I mentioned it to her one [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► time because we were waiting in line you [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► know we were checking out we had bought [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► some ingredients for she was gonna make [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► me something she called green pizza and [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► we were sitting there in the and the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► woman checking us out at the grocery [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► store was given you know was just kind [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► of giving her a lot of vibe and and [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► there were a couple of encounters where [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► we were walking down the aisle and [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► putting stuff in the shopping cart and [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► it was clear that we were there as a [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► romantic couple and not as she wasn't my [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► mom right and uh and you know and and [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► she just got the stink-eye and I [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► mentioned to her and she was like oh [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► yeah well she sort of blew it off as [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► though it was you know uh she wasn't [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► surprised and it it did surprise me and [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► still kind of surprises me because I'm [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► not sure what I'm not sure what that [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► means within the within a culture of [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► middle-aged women like what why you [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► would be mad at someone who had a young [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► boyfriend what exactly what exact crime [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► year [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► come on without getting any too specific [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► because who knows but I mean the basic [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► one is oh I know what you're up to right [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► everybody might have different reasons [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► why it bothers them that she's up to [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► that but I mean it's a common thing is [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► like oh you're not fooling anybody [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► yeah and and it feels a little bit like [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► the like Monty Python Housewives like [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► hey pearl pearl clutching mm-hmm but um [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► all of that is sort of uh beside the [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► point or or at least tangential to the [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► point which is that you all you had to [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► do it seemed so simple was to send uh [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► send the text to the mayoral candidate [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► hmm to Houston [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► oh right solvent popping the stack John [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► so here I Mike McGinn who has declared [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► that he's running for the for the mayor [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► allottee the only reason he's chosen to [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► do it is that that he saw he saw [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► political advantage right there ISM [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► there was a moment where Ed's newfound [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► vulnerability was going to cause enough [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► of the people that enough of the unions [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► that had thrown their support behind him [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► to waver and to be unsure that there [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► would be a there was an opportunity for [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► Mike to get in he has you know Mike [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► wouldn't care if it was just that Ed had [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► stubbed his toe might be getting an [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► opening yeah and he Mike's going to do a [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► better job and he's going to be better [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► for the city is why he's running right [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► that's what that's his his justification [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► so anyway he and I were supposed to meet [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► for lunch today but the problem was and [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► this is the problem I never put things [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► into my calendar right I have made three [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► separate lunch dates for today at noon [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► Oh John and I didn't realize it I didn't [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► realize I had done it I was like [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► everybody that talked to me last week it [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► was like we should get lunch next week I [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► was like what about Monday and each [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► person was like let me get back to you [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► and when they got back to me we're like [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► yes let's do Monday 12:30 let's do [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► Monday at 12:30 I was like great and [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► last night [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► I was like sittin and stewing and I was [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► like wait a minute do I have something [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► to do tomorrow [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► uh-huh I looked at my calendar there [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► wasn't anything there and um and then I [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► was like I think I'm having lunch with [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► the mayor and I thought wait a minute [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► aren't I also having lunch with Brian [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► and Scott [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► what does anybody else that I'm having [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► lunch with and then I did I said can I [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► wear is there anybody did I just feel [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► like then I was like oh shit I'm having [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► lunch with Kate and I felt like such a [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► dunce over okay [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► dunce over okay [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► quite a feeling I hate that feeling it's [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► like like this and unforced error like [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► Oh jiminy what am I doing here yeah yeah [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► like what did I turn three different [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► people and all these are important [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► lunches right I want to have lunch with [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► Kate I want to have lunch with Mike I [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► want to have lunch with Brian and Scott [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► don't leave it all in garden consolidate [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► them it's just what I thought for a [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► minute but every one of those [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► conversations all three of them are [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► supposed to be competent I don't know [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► it's just this is how bearing out is [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► these so telling you you guys should be [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► working together all one big team so all [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► morning I've been sending you know [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► trying to send this message like hey I [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► got to reschedule hey I got a reschedule [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► uh I just got a text on my phone from [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► Brian and Scott saying get this this is [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► these two these two fucking guys it's [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► 11:10 a.m. they're like we're here at [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► the restaurant get here when you can [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► play mini seriously you guys gonna sit [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► there for an hour so I'm gonna show up [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► at or an hour and a half I'm gonna show [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► up at 12:30 and you're gonna you know [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► and the checks gonna be on the table and [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► have a thumb of coffee left in the cup [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► so so what what I just did was i it as [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► Brian and Scott sent me that saying that [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► they're already there [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► that indicates to me that I am NOT [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► taking that lunch date seriously anymore [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► oh really [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► okay because I'm gonna go there right [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► but I'm gonna swing by because you're [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► gonna swing by my swing ugly ready like [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► we had state for 12:30 not for 11 [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► they're there already they're gonna have [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► their own little how can these men but [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► that's that's a little bit of a [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► passive-aggressive move I'll say it puts [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► you back on your heels no unnecessarily [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► so I'm gonna swing by and let's just [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► sales but I sent a thing to Kate saying [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► I was sorry could we reschedule and then [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► I asked the mayor if we could push it [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► back till 2:00 and the mayor just wrote [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► back and said yep so Wow I'm I'm on it [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► too with the mayor I cancel with Kate [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► I'm going to see you get your swing by [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► first and then you're gonna go back the [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► mayor [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► I'm gonna go meet the mayor and then [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► early dinner with Adam Savage because [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► I'm interviewing him tonight at the [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► University of Washington Oh No kidding [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► and we're gonna talk about what we're [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► going to talk about wait wait hang on [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► you talk about Mythbusters guy yeah I [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► like that just he get he got he got [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► brought to town by the University Office [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► he didn't want him he's a very nice man [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► very nice man they asked if I would be [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► the moderator and I said of course [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► so that's my day-to-day is swing by like [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► sorry had to have to skip Kate huh [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► bounce over to the Merrit too and then [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► early dinner with Adam at 5:00 boy [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► you're a hell of a day going on this is [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► a good day it's exciting right [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► just another day in the life hmm I woke [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► up and I fell out of bed mm-hmm I didn't [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► even dragged a comb across oh you didn't [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► even find your way upstairs and have a [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► cup I have my cups or downstairs but [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► then when you looked up [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► do you notice you really noticed I was [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► like what am i late to the show I was [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► those few minutes late we both made [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► coffee [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► no no I'm USA USA ding ding I asked it's [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► Adams really good summit it's a fun time [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► I got it very rated as a masterpiece but [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► it's a very good song the thing is that [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► nobody had ever done it before so thank [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► you so you get a bye you get a pass when [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► nobody's ever done so it's for you get [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► useful pass the George Martin Georgia [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► Martin gets full points for that but [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► like you know it's good it's good you [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► know it's no and your Burke I sing yeah [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► sorry I don't mean to take off your [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► lunch talk my brother Bart once said to [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► me as I was complaining about revolution [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► number 9 uh my brother [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► defended revolution number nine and did [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► it as you know as a groundbreaking [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► watershed experimentation a thing that [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► was you know that changed the world [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► there was never you couldn't go back [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► couldn't put revolution number nine back [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► in the bottle and I was unsophisticated [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► at the time I was just a I was just a [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► teenager and I was saying it's a huge [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► chunk of an album that's already too [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► long and everyone in the world has only [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► listened to it once or twice like it's [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► not a song that you play the The White [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► Album our revolution number nine number [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► nine oh yeah we don't know yeah I I [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► happen to adore that record but no [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► you're right that's that's that's us [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► that's a skipper yet you don't put that [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► side of the album on yeah it's like that [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► butcher song on an odyssey an Oracle [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► like every great album has a song every [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► bass ket's cuz it's - drekia [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► dum not every about a lot but my brother [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► wouldn't hear it he would not hear nope [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► because it was the first and I feel like [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► because it was the first like music [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► concrete brought in to rock yeah I mean [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► it was it was innovative in in there [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► were so many techniques that had that [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► even in the even in an avant-garde [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► context hadn't been tried yet okay [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► multitrack right multi-tracking him I [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► guess I I don't care for it I think it's [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► I don't think it's aged well no no it [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► has and and I and I think the orchestral [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► swells of a day-in-the-life [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► are uh you know we're all used to them [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► they are they are but they're and I [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► think that that was a fine solution to [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► that problem but you can tell by the way [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► that they built it right they they had [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► the one part they had the other part [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► they didn't know what to do they counted [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► off that that area right on either side [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► yeah and said leave Spacey more thing [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► yeah we'll put something here uh-huh and [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► the solution was what they with how they [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► solve it right that's that's what [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► happened but I don't think that in a [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► world of infinite possibility [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► the I don't think that that was the best [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► thing that could have gone in that [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► pocket hmm let's just put it that way [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► but nobody asked me nobody wants nobody [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► wants to ghost of Christmas past me back [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► to Abbey Road no to get my you know my [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► thoughts on it like hey you guys touch [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► it before we do this this was remember [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► white white up we talk about the White [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► Album we talk about Daniel life [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► oh okay Dan the Life Sergeant Pepper [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► right you know what's weird when I was [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► going to sleep last night you're not [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► gonna believe the song I had in my head [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► uh she's leaving home for some reason [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► was in my head it's a great song it's a [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► really good song he's make me so sad [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► when I was like 12 or 13 oh this must be [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► what it's like when your child leaves [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► home must suck yeah yeah me too [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► thinking about how his wife's got a [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► dressing-gown I started to think as I [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► was falling asleep I was thinking how it [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► sounds like English people have lots of [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► different clothes for different modes [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► that Americans just don't have well they [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► have sleeping hats that's true yep [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► yeah dress gowns night shirts do about [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► unions did you ever wear a nightshirt [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► yeah and not something I felt very [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► comfortable about but I'm usually like a [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► pajamas or underwear man I got the whole [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► sickening sweatpants yeah for a while in [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► the 1980s during the I think what I'm [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► going to call the initial prep revival [TS]

01:07:41 ◼   ► um when Lands End first really was [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► making a stab for the boat shoe market [TS]

01:07:48 ◼   ► oh sure there was a there was a point [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► where I got an LLB n-- plaid flannel [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► nightshirt hmm um and you know what I [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► mean by nightshirt right it's knee [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► length flannel oh go to the cleaner pan [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► you get like a long long search like [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► almost like a tooth right mm-hmm and I [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► was like I'm gonna I'm doing this I'm [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► I'm I'm rockin the nightshirt now it was [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► right when I had transitioned from [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► tighty whitey underwear or y-fronts [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► to boxer shorts and I felt like these [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► were the items of [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► sophisticated manhood men did not wear [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► white underwear they wore plaid boxers [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► because that's because I don't know [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► where I got that idea and nightshirts is [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► how we slept and I rocked this [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► nightshirt for a while but I'm a I'm an [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► active sleeper and I would get tangled [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► up in this thing I would get tangled up [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► in it like like when you put four towels [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► in a dryer uh like I was just it was [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► like up over my head and I'm an athletic [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► sleeper [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► I've jump around I bounce around when [TS]