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H.I #81: Adpocalypse


00:00:00   all right I'm gonna minimize the brady [TS]

00:00:01   for maximum bandwidth yeah breathing is [TS]

00:00:03   gonna make the don't minimize me joke no [TS]

00:00:05   I checked for ages now you haven't you [TS]

00:00:08   have an almost method I never don't [TS]

00:00:10   think remember a while back I told you [TS]

00:00:17   about my little experiment where I [TS]

00:00:19   changed my gray icon on all my system [TS]

00:00:22   from being your flask and gear symbol [TS]

00:00:25   Harter like a smiling gray face because [TS]

00:00:28   I thought it would make me feel more [TS]

00:00:29   fondly towards you when you send your [TS]

00:00:31   robotic text messages and emails to me [TS]

00:00:33   that you still fear yes yes you found my [TS]

00:00:35   messages too brief and too cold and you [TS]

00:00:37   thought a happier picture might improve [TS]

00:00:39   the situation as I remember yeah how's [TS]

00:00:41   that going I think it's worked you know [TS]

00:00:43   oh yeah I think has worked so after [TS]

00:00:46   running the experiment for a while my [TS]

00:00:48   advice is if there's someone who pisses [TS]

00:00:51   you off a little bit with their [TS]

00:00:52   messaging change the picture to like the [TS]

00:00:55   friendliest possible picture and it [TS]

00:00:57   changes the way you view the person hmm [TS]

00:00:59   like a text messaging psychological [TS]

00:01:02   start over that's what's happening yeah [TS]

00:01:03   you just look happier more of the time [TS]

00:01:06   to me and I don't imagine you being all [TS]

00:01:08   sort of grumpy and robotic with your [TS]

00:01:10   brief replies I'm picturing you smiling [TS]

00:01:12   as you think about me Freddie [TS]

00:01:14   every time I send you a text message I [TS]

00:01:16   send it with a smile yeah you're a real [TS]

00:01:20   smile a minute you are I'm amazed I even [TS]

00:01:23   have a picture of you smiling that [TS]

00:01:24   wasn't great get so gray you know I [TS]

00:01:27   spend a lot of time thinking about the [TS]

00:01:28   Marty Blackstone yeah I dunno you spend [TS]

00:01:30   a lot of time thinking about that might [TS]

00:01:31   be bland stuff there is now a Wikipedia [TS]

00:01:34   article just dedicated to the tallest [TS]

00:01:37   buildings in Adelaide and whoever made [TS]

00:01:39   that by the way you are my personal hero [TS]

00:01:41   I was a little bit humbled though when I [TS]

00:01:45   saw that the tallest building in [TS]

00:01:46   Adelaide is actually the 115th tallest [TS]

00:01:49   building in Australia I was gonna like [TS]

00:01:54   Wikipedia they have the lists of [TS]

00:01:56   everything but I was wondering a list of [TS]

00:01:59   the tallest buildings in Adelaide how [TS]

00:02:01   tall can these buildings actually be and [TS]

00:02:03   that sounds like that's the answer [TS]

00:02:05   this article though makes for [TS]

00:02:06   fascinating reading on numerous levels [TS]

00:02:08   it does partly because there's a whole [TS]

00:02:12   bunch of buildings that have been [TS]

00:02:13   proved or under construction and it's [TS]

00:02:15   going to turn the world upside down I [TS]

00:02:17   mean a whole bunch of the approved ones [TS]

00:02:19   will be taller than the black stamp one [TS]

00:02:22   will even beat older than the current [TS]

00:02:23   tallest so it's all happening in [TS]

00:02:25   Adelaide yeah I imagine so I'm looking [TS]

00:02:27   at this list and the mighty black stump [TS]

00:02:30   also known as the grenfell Center on [TS]

00:02:32   this list which I think probably should [TS]

00:02:34   be amended if someone's really diligent [TS]

00:02:36   out there [TS]

00:02:36   yeah it's number three on this list this [TS]

00:02:39   is what I want to talk about uh-huh [TS]

00:02:41   this needs to be settled because you may [TS]

00:02:45   remember when I spoke to the sort of the [TS]

00:02:46   building manager of the mighty black [TS]

00:02:48   stamp when I visited and he told me that [TS]

00:02:50   it was the second tallest building and [TS]

00:02:52   he was upset that there were articles [TS]

00:02:53   going around that were claiming it was [TS]

00:02:56   third and this third place position for [TS]

00:03:00   the black stamp is becoming more and [TS]

00:03:02   more entrenched on the internet and fair [TS]

00:03:05   enough if that's the fact of the matter [TS]

00:03:07   I'll accept it but I've got a suspicion [TS]

00:03:10   that it's not over do you [TS]

00:03:11   you think this the hell straw house [TS]

00:03:13   which is claiming to be one meter taller [TS]

00:03:15   you think there's some shenanigans going [TS]

00:03:17   on there yeah and I don't know whether [TS]

00:03:18   or not this 103 meters versus 104 meters [TS]

00:03:22   mm-hmm I think maybe that refers to like [TS]

00:03:24   the top of the building and not maybe [TS]

00:03:26   masts and things on top which probably [TS]

00:03:28   should be included I don't know but I [TS]

00:03:31   want to get to the bottom of it but I [TS]

00:03:33   have no resources available to me other [TS]

00:03:35   than the Internet and the Internet has [TS]

00:03:38   this kind of self-perpetuating aspect to [TS]

00:03:41   it where everyone just copies everything [TS]

00:03:43   else off the previous articles and I get [TS]

00:03:44   the feeling that everywhere I look I'm [TS]

00:03:46   just reading the same stuff from the [TS]

00:03:47   same source yeah so I need someone with [TS]

00:03:50   like contacts and influence and maybe [TS]

00:03:53   access to sort of blueprints and [TS]

00:03:55   surveying equipment or something I want [TS]

00:03:58   to settle once and for all what is [TS]

00:04:00   taller between Telstra house at 30 Perry [TS]

00:04:03   Street and the Grenville Center at 25 [TS]

00:04:06   grand fall straight to be second place [TS]

00:04:08   as Adelaide's told us building behind [TS]

00:04:11   Westpac house which is a runaway winner [TS]

00:04:13   obviously runaway winner of course [TS]

00:04:15   obviously I've loaded up Adelaide here [TS]

00:04:17   on the 3d Apple maps on the computer [TS]

00:04:20   yeah this is trying to see which one [TS]

00:04:22   looks taller as though I can see a [TS]

00:04:23   metres difference in this 3d [TS]

00:04:25   representation close to each other these [TS]

00:04:26   two [TS]

00:04:27   it looks like they are across the street [TS]

00:04:29   from each other not quite actually no [TS]

00:04:31   are they even on the same block or am I [TS]

00:04:33   looking at a different building I think [TS]

00:04:35   maybe Telstra houses maybe not quite the [TS]

00:04:38   same block I'm not sure that's it here's [TS]

00:04:40   the thing Brady I know this is once [TS]

00:04:42   again evidence of how the mighty black [TS]

00:04:44   stump is mighty in your mind but is not [TS]

00:04:47   necessarily super obvious on the actual [TS]

00:04:49   skyline of Adelaide I think it is [TS]

00:04:51   because it's like so black it's like [TS]

00:04:53   it's been painted with that vente black [TS]

00:04:55   that is like the blackest substance [TS]

00:04:57   known to man when you look at the [TS]

00:04:58   Adelaide skyline it's not noticeable [TS]

00:05:00   because of its height it's noticeable [TS]

00:05:02   because of its blackness no no of course [TS]

00:05:04   I understand no they are right next to [TS]

00:05:06   each other it looks like there's a tiny [TS]

00:05:07   little church in between these two rival [TS]

00:05:09   buildings for second place in the city [TS]

00:05:11   they're right next to each other yeah [TS]

00:05:13   actually yeah they are very close to [TS]

00:05:14   each other now that I look at the map [TS]

00:05:15   yeah but this needs to be sorted gray by [TS]

00:05:19   experts and it needs to be sorted in my [TS]

00:05:22   favor preferably again do you want to [TS]

00:05:23   count it looks like there's a little [TS]

00:05:24   antenna on top of the mighty black stump [TS]

00:05:26   should antennas count do you think that [TS]

00:05:29   it should count if it works in your [TS]

00:05:30   favor it shouldn't count if it doesn't [TS]

00:05:32   work in your favor I think that sums up [TS]

00:05:33   my attitude yes okay that's the way that [TS]

00:05:36   works yeah [TS]

00:05:37   can we get some people to do that kind [TS]

00:05:39   of surveying you do when you're looking [TS]

00:05:40   at mountains with these two buildings in [TS]

00:05:42   Adelaide yeah that's what I'm hoping for [TS]

00:05:44   triangulates from known heights the [TS]

00:05:47   heights of these two buildings I would [TS]

00:05:48   like to see that and you know I don't [TS]

00:05:49   want to make promises mm-hmm but H I [TS]

00:05:52   medals of Honor could be at stake here [TS]

00:05:55   depending on the result yeah depending [TS]

00:05:58   on the result and be aware dear [TS]

00:06:00   listeners I will find it nothing but [TS]

00:06:02   hilarious [TS]

00:06:02   if the Grenville centre mighty black [TS]

00:06:05   stump is firmly solidified in third [TS]

00:06:07   place that would be hilarious for me not [TS]

00:06:09   so hilarious for Brady well [TS]

00:06:11   interestingly I'm looking at that [TS]

00:06:12   picture that you sent and I mean toaster [TS]

00:06:15   building does look a little bit taller [TS]

00:06:17   from that angle but you can't really [TS]

00:06:19   tell yeah also by the way you don't know [TS]

00:06:21   this but I'll tell you so that you're [TS]

00:06:22   fully in the picture the tallest [TS]

00:06:24   building is also in that picture just [TS]

00:06:25   the bottom part of it hmm in the top [TS]

00:06:27   right corner of that picture you sent [TS]

00:06:29   you see like a sort of a oh right Riano [TS]

00:06:31   page building that's the tallest [TS]

00:06:33   building but so what you're telling me [TS]

00:06:34   no matter what the current situation is [TS]

00:06:36   which of these buildings is a metre [TS]

00:06:37   taller than the other yeah there's going [TS]

00:06:39   to be a lot of new construction [TS]

00:06:41   in the ever dynamic urban core that is [TS]

00:06:43   Adelaide that's going to dwarf all of [TS]

00:06:45   these buildings if that's what's [TS]

00:06:46   happening here yeah well not Toto be cuz [TS]

00:06:49   one of the nice things about Adelaide is [TS]

00:06:50   it's not too tall like then they do that [TS]

00:06:52   on purpose cousins you know pleasant [TS]

00:06:53   place we don't want all your big nasty [TS]

00:06:55   skyscrapers nothing worse than a [TS]

00:06:57   skyscraper the pinnacle of human [TS]

00:06:58   achievement you don't want that Natalie [TS]

00:07:00   now don't get me wrong don't get me [TS]

00:07:01   wrong you know I do love a good skies [TS]

00:07:03   mate but the funny thing is I'm here [TS]

00:07:06   saying come on someone help me out my [TS]

00:07:07   job when I was the Civic reporter at the [TS]

00:07:09   Adelaide Advertiser [TS]

00:07:10   was actually going to the Adelaide City [TS]

00:07:12   Council archives and looking at all the [TS]

00:07:14   planning applications and getting them [TS]

00:07:16   all out because I would report on you [TS]

00:07:17   know new buildings that were going to be [TS]

00:07:18   built so I am the man to do this [TS]

00:07:21   but unfortunately I'm just too far away [TS]

00:07:22   from Adelaide now so you don't want to [TS]

00:07:24   do it for the love of journalism brady [TS]

00:07:26   go fly down and do a little [TS]

00:07:27   investigative reporting yourself to find [TS]

00:07:29   this out no you don't want to do oh [TS]

00:07:31   maybe maybe we considered a Kickstarter [TS]

00:07:33   this is a sort of a mission to go down [TS]

00:07:35   to Adelaide measure some buildings I [TS]

00:07:37   feel like there's got to be a video in [TS]

00:07:39   this somewhere for you Brady right on [TS]

00:07:40   your building file channel or whatever [TS]

00:07:42   like somewhere there's a YouTube video [TS]

00:07:44   of you going down to Adelaide to measure [TS]

00:07:45   these two buildings that are next to [TS]

00:07:47   each other there's got to be a place [TS]

00:07:48   that you have to put that off or the [TS]

00:07:49   book I'm writing will hook up publishing [TS]

00:07:51   down out the comprehensive history of [TS]

00:07:53   the muddy black stuff from when it was [TS]

00:07:56   just a twinkle in someone's eye right [TS]

00:07:58   through to when it was finally surpassed [TS]

00:07:59   as the tallest building in Adelaide [TS]

00:08:01   somehow this feels like an inevitability [TS]

00:08:02   I'll just wait for the publication I [TS]

00:08:05   don't know I guess a lot of Tim's would [TS]

00:08:07   buy it but other than that I don't think [TS]

00:08:10   there's going to be an obviously like [TS]

00:08:11   building manager of the building might [TS]

00:08:13   but the one who thinks I'm crazy after I [TS]

00:08:15   gave him a t-shirt really I don't think [TS]

00:08:16   this is a project that you're doing for [TS]

00:08:18   the money I think this is a project [TS]

00:08:20   you're doing for the love and I can just [TS]

00:08:22   interject that all right this is a [TS]

00:08:24   passion project of yours mighty black [TS]

00:08:26   stamp watch this space come on let's [TS]

00:08:28   pull together here wisdom of the crowds [TS]

00:08:31   and all that let's figure this one out [TS]

00:08:33   speaking of architectural marvels that [TS]

00:08:36   have been written into hello internet [TS]

00:08:39   law I am going to Dulles this weekend oh [TS]

00:08:43   are you I am I'm flying to Washington no [TS]

00:08:46   not even this weekend I'm in two days [TS]

00:08:47   time from when we're speaking Brady you [TS]

00:08:50   exhaust me with your seemingly from my [TS]

00:08:52   perspective constant flying [TS]

00:08:54   know that I have a like a selection bias [TS]

00:08:56   here that I hear about all the time that [TS]

00:08:58   your fly so it feels more frequent than [TS]

00:08:59   it probably really is but it seems to me [TS]

00:09:01   like you are constantly John ting to [TS]

00:09:03   different areas of the world to film [TS]

00:09:05   things to go on vacation for exciting [TS]

00:09:08   travels to meet Russian poets you're [TS]

00:09:11   just doing amazing things around the [TS]

00:09:12   world constantly and I feel like I can [TS]

00:09:14   never keep up well at this point I would [TS]

00:09:15   interject and correct you and add some [TS]

00:09:17   clarification but you just made me sound [TS]

00:09:19   so awesome that I'm just going to let [TS]

00:09:20   that fly ya know just let it slide man [TS]

00:09:22   it's totally fine and this is how you [TS]

00:09:24   are in my mind you're like some kind of [TS]

00:09:25   modern adventurer except with airplanes [TS]

00:09:28   with the amount of traveling that you're [TS]

00:09:29   the Russian poet thing was a nice touch [TS]

00:09:31   as well it made me feel that Lord Byron [TS]

00:09:33   or something I'm just describing your [TS]

00:09:37   life to you man that's all I'm doing [TS]

00:09:39   that's not how my life feels but it's so [TS]

00:09:41   cool I'm just gonna keep going I am [TS]

00:09:43   going to Washington for the National [TS]

00:09:46   math festival Oh as part of my [TS]

00:09:48   numberphile and MSRI responsibilities [TS]

00:09:51   I'm looking forward to doing a couple of [TS]

00:09:53   live shows with Matt Parker and the very [TS]

00:09:56   exciting one with cliff style the crazy [TS]

00:09:58   Klein bottle guy he's also good value so [TS]

00:10:00   I would spend more time promoting it but [TS]

00:10:02   by the time this podcast has gone out it [TS]

00:10:04   will have been in God and then I'm going [TS]

00:10:07   to Miami where I've never been before [TS]

00:10:09   for a brief holiday and then I'm coming [TS]

00:10:11   home but the thing I want to know from [TS]

00:10:13   you is how to prepare myself for my [TS]

00:10:16   Dulles experience because I'm pretty [TS]

00:10:17   sure this is going to be my first time [TS]

00:10:19   there what do I look for what do I do [TS]

00:10:21   like talk me through it well it all [TS]

00:10:23   depends on where you're getting in I [TS]

00:10:24   presume that you're going to be landing [TS]

00:10:26   in the international terminal because I [TS]

00:10:30   get tweets from people who are like oh [TS]

00:10:31   I'm in Dulles it's not so bad right and [TS]

00:10:33   that's the voice that they're using in [TS]

00:10:34   my head when they tweet those things [TS]

00:10:35   yeah and that is because they are in the [TS]

00:10:37   domestic a B terminals terrible [TS]

00:10:40   terminals the old terminals with [TS]

00:10:42   inconsistent heating and low ceilings [TS]

00:10:45   and smelly carpets is the CD terminals [TS]

00:10:49   which are generally used for [TS]

00:10:49   international flights so I'm gonna guess [TS]

00:10:51   that you're probably in there yeah [TS]

00:10:53   now can we remember off the top of our [TS]

00:10:56   head one of those gates was a cursed [TS]

00:10:58   gate where an accident took place on a [TS]

00:10:59   previous episode hello Internet well [TS]

00:11:01   loop that up yeah we got to find that [TS]

00:11:03   out Brady so that's obviously one of the [TS]

00:11:05   tourist spots that you need to go and [TS]

00:11:06   point at that's [TS]

00:11:07   to be on your list Thank You Fido of it [TS]

00:11:09   yep yeah now it's funny that you [TS]

00:11:12   mentioned this because I have not [TS]

00:11:14   verified this I'm going to be relying on [TS]

00:11:16   your journalistic skills to verify this [TS]

00:11:18   I have just heard today breaking Dulles [TS]

00:11:22   news that the at transports are no [TS]

00:11:25   longer in operation at that Airport oh [TS]

00:11:27   yeah I don't know if it's true I can't [TS]

00:11:30   verify this firsthand I'm going to rely [TS]

00:11:32   on you to let me know what the situation [TS]

00:11:34   is down there with what happened did [TS]

00:11:36   Luke Skywalker cut a hole in the bottom [TS]

00:11:37   I want to throw a charge into it yeah [TS]

00:11:39   okay Disney was like you need to pay as [TS]

00:11:41   licensing rights for you things one of [TS]

00:11:43   the two I know that there has been a lot [TS]

00:11:46   bunch of redevelopment work at Dulles to [TS]

00:11:47   try to take it from worst Airport in the [TS]

00:11:49   world to just marginally acceptable [TS]

00:11:51   Airport in the world and as part of that [TS]

00:11:54   I saw a construction on some kind of [TS]

00:11:56   train transport between the terminals [TS]

00:11:59   last time I was there and so I've just [TS]

00:12:01   heard that that is now done and those at [TS]

00:12:03   transports might be over which quite [TS]

00:12:06   frankly I'll be a little sad about if [TS]

00:12:08   that is true because it was by far and [TS]

00:12:10   away the most remarkable and most [TS]

00:12:11   interesting thing at Dulles Airport and [TS]

00:12:13   now even that will be gone which makes [TS]

00:12:15   it even less interesting I'm gutted I [TS]

00:12:18   was so looking for that was the one [TS]

00:12:19   thing I was looking forward to I know [TS]

00:12:21   it's the only thing a person can look [TS]

00:12:23   forward to at that Airport I hope I'm [TS]

00:12:24   wrong I'll hear about that from you in [TS]

00:12:27   the future otherwise no the best thing I [TS]

00:12:29   can tell you to do is if you're landing [TS]

00:12:30   there just get out as fast as you can [TS]

00:12:33   after visiting the cursed gate at Dulles [TS]

00:12:36   Airport Hara I'll let you know how a guy [TS]

00:12:38   I'll report back with the pictures and [TS]

00:12:41   all that sort of stuff [TS]

00:12:42   pointing pointing pictures speaking also [TS]

00:12:44   of sort of breaking news of things we [TS]

00:12:47   like to follow and again I'm a little [TS]

00:12:49   bit in the dark here but this is [TS]

00:12:50   potentially huge [TS]

00:12:51   hmm CGP grey the penguin the lady [TS]

00:12:55   penguin right if you have a look at the [TS]

00:12:57   link that I've put there in the notes [TS]

00:12:59   apparently Bristol Zoo where CGP grey [TS]

00:13:02   the penguin lives hmm has sent 19 of its [TS]

00:13:05   young South African penguins to Tbilisi [TS]

00:13:09   is that how you pronounce it capital of [TS]

00:13:11   Georgia oh yeah two Blissett I'm very [TS]

00:13:13   familiar with Tbilisi that is exactly [TS]

00:13:15   how you pronounce a 19 penguins have [TS]

00:13:16   been sent there to the penguin pool at [TS]

00:13:20   Tbilisi Zoo [TS]

00:13:21   mm-hmm they had some problems there [TS]

00:13:23   recently with flooding and the zoo [TS]

00:13:24   suffered a lot of damage and animal [TS]

00:13:27   losses along with human losses and sort [TS]

00:13:30   of because Bristol is sort of the sister [TS]

00:13:33   city of Tbilisi the zoos are sort of [TS]

00:13:35   friendly so these penguins have been [TS]

00:13:37   sent and if it's a young South African [TS]

00:13:39   penguin and 19 of them have gone you [TS]

00:13:42   know I'm thinking are you telling me [TS]

00:13:44   that CGP grey the penguin might have [TS]

00:13:45   died in a flood and I Georgia is that [TS]

00:13:49   what you're telling me this article that [TS]

00:13:51   you've sent me says two hundred and [TS]

00:13:53   eighty-one of the zoo's thousand plus [TS]

00:13:55   animals died in this disaster now grey [TS]

00:13:58   the penguins have been sent after the [TS]

00:14:00   flood to help restock the zoo okay [TS]

00:14:04   that's less alarming yes sorry other [TS]

00:14:07   animals I are not named after me I care [TS]

00:14:09   much less about your well-being so what [TS]

00:14:13   I'm saying is I don't know but it's [TS]

00:14:15   possible that grey has left the country [TS]

00:14:17   this is going to make it much more [TS]

00:14:19   difficult for you to keep up your [TS]

00:14:20   regular and ongoing correspondence with [TS]

00:14:23   CGP creator penguin that you have so [TS]

00:14:25   diligently maintained low these past [TS]

00:14:27   years and months keeping the audience [TS]

00:14:29   updated on what she's up to [TS]

00:14:31   you've been so diligent about it this is [TS]

00:14:33   going to make that a bit more difficult [TS]

00:14:34   but I'm sure you'll keep doing just as [TS]

00:14:36   good of a job as you have been doing in [TS]

00:14:38   the future if she actually has left I [TS]

00:14:40   was fondly sucking myself up to go and [TS]

00:14:42   do this visit now maybe she's not even [TS]

00:14:44   there I love that you're telling [TS]

00:14:46   yourself like oh you were psyching [TS]

00:14:47   yourself up for this visit like I was [TS]

00:14:49   just about to visit I feel like when I [TS]

00:14:51   was a kid and my parents would yell at [TS]

00:14:53   me to clean my room I always had this [TS]

00:14:55   feeling like ah I was just about to [TS]

00:14:57   write but there's no way I was really [TS]

00:14:59   just about to like now that I'm being [TS]

00:15:02   told to do a thing like you have this [TS]

00:15:03   reverse memory of like I was just about [TS]

00:15:05   to why'd you have to bother me so you [TS]

00:15:07   kind of think you were just about to [TS]

00:15:08   visit this penguin you only feel that [TS]

00:15:11   way because now there's a possibility [TS]

00:15:12   that you can't okay that's true but [TS]

00:15:15   isn't it really frustrating at those [TS]

00:15:16   times when you were just about to do [TS]

00:15:18   something and then you get told to do it [TS]

00:15:19   and you know no I really was just about [TS]

00:15:21   to do it but how do you distinguish that [TS]

00:15:23   feeling from just the constant feeling [TS]

00:15:25   and what it does happen right I think [TS]

00:15:26   this is like a false memory you know [TS]

00:15:28   when you were really going to do it so [TS]

00:15:29   anyway ctp gray the lady penguin wing [TS]

00:15:32   tag number a 205 83 mm-hmm I don't know [TS]

00:15:37   where she is [TS]

00:15:37   it's been a holiday here in the UK since [TS]

00:15:40   I found out the news frustratingly it's [TS]

00:15:42   been a four-day holiday over Easter as I [TS]

00:15:44   can't contact anyone at the zoo but uh [TS]

00:15:47   we need to get on this I think the more [TS]

00:15:48   exciting thing is for some Tbilisi Tim's [TS]

00:15:51   with a zoom lens to go out to the zoo [TS]

00:15:54   and try to find the lady penguin CGP [TS]

00:15:57   grey out there if they can I think [TS]

00:15:58   that's what should happen [TS]

00:15:59   Tbilisi Tim's you were called upon in [TS]

00:16:02   this moment you weren't expecting this [TS]

00:16:04   yeah but we're relying on you so put on [TS]

00:16:08   hold that trip to Adelaide you were [TS]

00:16:09   doing to survey the muddy black stump [TS]

00:16:10   and first of all head to your local Zoo [TS]

00:16:13   and check out the Penguins [TS]

00:16:15   I mean I'd feel a bit sad if they went [TS]

00:16:16   there and it turns out grey hasn't been [TS]

00:16:18   moved but that's part of it that's part [TS]

00:16:20   of it just go carefully catalog all of [TS]

00:16:22   the serial numbers of all of the [TS]

00:16:24   Penguins and let us know let us know [TS]

00:16:26   what the situation is I wonder if it [TS]

00:16:28   kept its wing tag and number or it has [TS]

00:16:30   to get like a tbilisi wing tag with a [TS]

00:16:31   new number and the other ones been cut [TS]

00:16:34   off I don't know hmm feels like there [TS]

00:16:37   should be some sort of international [TS]

00:16:39   identification number system for zoos [TS]

00:16:41   transferring animals back and forth [TS]

00:16:43   otherwise like if you're loaning a zoo [TS]

00:16:45   an animal how do you know if you got the [TS]

00:16:46   same one back if you're allowed to cut [TS]

00:16:48   off the tags I feel like those tags have [TS]

00:16:50   to be the same everywhere good point [TS]

00:16:51   they don't let they come on and off very [TS]

00:16:53   easily either but they must come off [TS]

00:16:55   there because presumably the wing grows [TS]

00:16:56   and they need to put bigger tags on I [TS]

00:16:58   don't know there's a lot of unanswered [TS]

00:17:00   questions here I really we're rapidly [TS]

00:17:02   wandering into like meat security [TS]

00:17:04   questions here's like somebody out there [TS]

00:17:06   it's their job to deal with the [TS]

00:17:08   technology behind the tags on a penguin [TS]

00:17:10   fake and they're like screaming at the [TS]

00:17:11   podcast right now I thought the answer [TS]

00:17:14   to this question I do this all day this [TS]

00:17:17   is the third podcast this week I've [TS]

00:17:18   heard get that wrong speaking of animals [TS]

00:17:21   orgies snoring a bit so I'm just gonna [TS]

00:17:23   give her a little nudge with my foot [TS]

00:17:24   stop snoring stop it oh I'll send you [TS]

00:17:28   the tibula see [TS]

00:17:30   oh poor Audrey I would never do that she [TS]

00:17:33   knows a little delicate background [TS]

00:17:35   snores they can be part of the podcast [TS]

00:17:37   it's not only fine [TS]

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00:19:04   your first order and I guess as our own [TS]

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00:19:08   Squarespace I really can thank them for [TS]

00:19:11   making this episode possible you may [TS]

00:19:13   remember Brady on the podcast long ago [TS]

00:19:17   I may have complained a little bit about [TS]

00:19:20   the way Kindles [TS]

00:19:22   format the text on screen I don't know [TS]

00:19:25   if this sounds familiar to you or not it [TS]

00:19:27   was a minor annoyance of yours I seem to [TS]

00:19:29   recall there was a minor annoyance that [TS]

00:19:31   was like a dagger in my soul every time [TS]

00:19:34   I tried to use a Kindle yeah so much so [TS]

00:19:37   that I eventually abandoned my beloved [TS]

00:19:40   Kindle and went over to iBooks because [TS]

00:19:43   knows how you're supposed to format text [TS]

00:19:44   on a screen and Kindle did not well I [TS]

00:19:49   would be remiss if I did not mention [TS]

00:19:51   that remarkably as of yesterday a mere [TS]

00:19:56   several decades after Kindles have come [TS]

00:19:58   out they have finally released an update [TS]

00:20:01   that allows a reader to have a ragged [TS]

00:20:05   right on their text to left align all of [TS]

00:20:09   the words on the page it's an amazing [TS]

00:20:12   moment for all of us [TS]

00:20:14   I must have received ten twenty thousand [TS]

00:20:17   tweets letting me know that there was a [TS]

00:20:19   software update for Kindles that finally [TS]

00:20:22   allowed the thing that I asked about for [TS]

00:20:24   so long for so passionately that I [TS]

00:20:26   wanted it is now here and it's available [TS]

00:20:29   if you have a Kindle people go update [TS]

00:20:31   the software on your Kindle you too can [TS]

00:20:34   experience an amazing reading experience [TS]

00:20:36   huge man it's like the JFK assassination [TS]

00:20:39   where were you when can define and went [TS]

00:20:40   right ragged I remember where I was I [TS]

00:20:44   was at home I had a Kindle and I was [TS]

00:20:47   pressing the update my Kindle button [TS]

00:20:48   right like I want to see this software [TS]

00:20:50   update like update update update my [TS]

00:20:51   Kindle was going like I don't know what [TS]

00:20:53   you're talking about there's no software [TS]

00:20:54   update available I was shaking my fist [TS]

00:20:56   and like curse you CDN like this update [TS]

00:20:58   hasn't been distributed yet to the UK or [TS]

00:21:00   wherever it is in your Amazon network so [TS]

00:21:02   actually like I like I want to see this [TS]

00:21:04   right now so I went onto the kindle [TS]

00:21:06   support page and like hard downloaded [TS]

00:21:08   the software update manually transferred [TS]

00:21:11   via USB over to the Kindle did like a [TS]

00:21:13   force reboot update of the device with [TS]

00:21:15   like I need to see what this looks like [TS]

00:21:17   first hand I can't trust people's [TS]

00:21:20   reports of how it looks I need to see [TS]

00:21:22   this for myself and the answer is it [TS]

00:21:24   looks like books are supposed to look so [TS]

00:21:27   it's fantastic that sounds like quite a [TS]

00:21:29   day you know sometimes I think I [TS]

00:21:31   couldn't make up stories to make you fit [TS]

00:21:33   your stereotype any better than the [TS]

00:21:34   actual stories that you tell what do you [TS]

00:21:37   mean baby I could have made that up if [TS]

00:21:40   someone said make up a story that makes [TS]

00:21:41   gray sound like really pedantic and [TS]

00:21:43   nerdy and into technology I wouldn't [TS]

00:21:45   have come up with a better story than [TS]

00:21:46   the one you just told what about doing [TS]

00:21:49   the manual update like who actually sits [TS]

00:21:51   looking to screen saying curse you CDM [TS]

00:21:55   but that's what it is like they just [TS]

00:21:57   haven't distributed the update to all of [TS]

00:21:58   the networks yet I know I understand [TS]

00:22:00   what happened I didn't want to wait it [TS]

00:22:02   seems very straightforward to me okay [TS]

00:22:03   let's all thing and is this going to [TS]

00:22:05   result in you going back to Kindle here [TS]

00:22:07   is the interesting thing the interesting [TS]

00:22:09   thing is why did I have a Kindle to [TS]

00:22:12   update in the first place because I had [TS]

00:22:14   abandoned Kindle a long time ago and I [TS]

00:22:15   hated their old paperwhite Kindle hmm so [TS]

00:22:18   Amazon has been very slowly trying to [TS]

00:22:22   make their typography better and over [TS]

00:22:25   the summer they introduced a precursor [TS]

00:22:28   to this which was actually hyphenating [TS]

00:22:30   words correctly so they used to never [TS]

00:22:32   even break words at the syllable level [TS]

00:22:35   on the edge of a page they used to just [TS]

00:22:37   have these horrific ugly gaps and what I [TS]

00:22:39   wanted to see this past summer because I [TS]

00:22:41   have been making a real concerted effort [TS]

00:22:43   to try to read more books over the past [TS]

00:22:47   year or so essentially to take time away [TS]

00:22:50   from reddit and hacker news and to [TS]

00:22:52   divert that time war into books and that [TS]

00:22:55   was one of the things that when I was [TS]

00:22:57   using Kindle years ago that I really [TS]

00:22:59   liked is that I always found that having [TS]

00:23:01   it as a separate device was helpful to [TS]

00:23:04   reading more as opposed to reading on my [TS]

00:23:07   iPad but I gave it up because I couldn't [TS]

00:23:09   deal with the formatting so when they [TS]

00:23:11   introduced some slightly better [TS]

00:23:12   typography plus when they introduced the [TS]

00:23:15   latest version of the Kindle which is [TS]

00:23:17   the Kindle Oasis which actually is [TS]

00:23:19   designed with revolutionary buttons for [TS]

00:23:22   turning the page and it's designed [TS]

00:23:23   actually to be a good ebook reader I [TS]

00:23:27   thought I'm gonna give this a try like [TS]

00:23:29   I'm gonna give you a second go here [TS]

00:23:31   Kindle and see how it works and I was [TS]

00:23:34   using it for the summer I was using it [TS]

00:23:35   for a little while I found that the [TS]

00:23:37   hyphenation alone did not make enough of [TS]

00:23:39   a difference like it's still very [TS]

00:23:40   annoying for the little narrator in my [TS]

00:23:41   head to be speeding up and slowing down [TS]

00:23:43   ever so slightly even if it was way [TS]

00:23:45   better so I put it away reluctantly like [TS]

00:23:48   I was hoping that that Kindle experiment [TS]

00:23:50   would work but it didn't quite take yeah [TS]

00:23:52   but that's why I had it in a drawer and [TS]

00:23:54   so when I heard this news is like I'm [TS]

00:23:56   updating this right away so it just [TS]

00:23:58   happened yesterday [TS]

00:23:59   I've been reading a couple of books on [TS]

00:24:01   the Kindle annoyingly Kindle for some [TS]

00:24:03   reason they don't do it with all books [TS]

00:24:05   they only have this available for some [TS]

00:24:06   books [TS]

00:24:07   so you have to check in advance but I'm [TS]

00:24:09   going to give this a real go and try to [TS]

00:24:12   use the Kindle again as a dedicated [TS]

00:24:15   separate breeding device because I [TS]

00:24:17   really do think that is a big advantage [TS]

00:24:19   plus it doesn't help that Apple has not [TS]

00:24:22   updated their software for iBooks in [TS]

00:24:24   like three years they've added no new [TS]

00:24:26   features and Kindle has very slowly been [TS]

00:24:28   adding useful features over this time [TS]

00:24:31   none of them are deal-breakers on their [TS]

00:24:33   own but each one is like a nice little [TS]

00:24:34   addition so the Kindle is again an [TS]

00:24:37   attractive option that I'm going to give [TS]

00:24:39   a real try this time so I'm very happy [TS]

00:24:41   about this well now that the Kindle [TS]

00:24:43   influencer CGP grey has been fully wooed [TS]

00:24:46   I think it's your move iBooks what could [TS]

00:24:51   i books do to get you back to iBooks [TS]

00:24:53   here's the problem right [TS]

00:24:54   iBooks always has one major disadvantage [TS]

00:24:58   which is that it's always going to be on [TS]

00:25:00   an iPad yeah and I do really like having [TS]

00:25:03   a separate thing I find it's nice to [TS]

00:25:05   have a separate thing that's like a [TS]

00:25:07   physical reminder of oh you should be [TS]

00:25:09   reading a book as dumb as that sounds I [TS]

00:25:11   really do like that even when you're [TS]

00:25:14   traveling grind when you're thinking [TS]

00:25:15   argh on the pliant gotta pack my iPad [TS]

00:25:17   and my Kindle wouldn't it be better to [TS]

00:25:19   have one device it would be better in [TS]

00:25:21   terms of packing to have one device but [TS]

00:25:23   it is that extra reminder that I find is [TS]

00:25:25   visually there so it's more top of mind [TS]

00:25:28   that this is an additional thing I [TS]

00:25:30   really do like that and iBooks is always [TS]

00:25:34   going to lose that battle in that I'm [TS]

00:25:35   always going to be able to do something [TS]

00:25:37   else and I'm aware that when I'm reading [TS]

00:25:38   on an iPad even on my like super [TS]

00:25:41   lockdown I can only do very few things [TS]

00:25:43   on this except read iPad I'm still [TS]

00:25:46   always tempted to like flip away and oh [TS]

00:25:48   let me just quickly add something to a [TS]

00:25:50   little note that I have somewhere else [TS]

00:25:51   I'm still more likely to flip out of it [TS]

00:25:54   whereas with a dedicated device I'm less [TS]

00:25:56   likely to flip out of it so it's always [TS]

00:25:58   a big advantage to Kindle I don't know [TS]

00:26:00   how books could do but it's funny [TS]

00:26:02   because I went back and I read that that [TS]

00:26:03   old article that I wrote when I was [TS]

00:26:05   talking about originally switching from [TS]

00:26:08   Kindle to iBooks and I made a note about [TS]

00:26:10   how like Oh Kindles software development [TS]

00:26:13   is glacially slow and so like I booked [TS]

00:26:16   some obviously will be developed more [TS]

00:26:19   quickly than that as like iBooks [TS]

00:26:21   hasn't changed at all in that whole time [TS]

00:26:23   that like turns out glacially slow [TS]

00:26:25   development is faster than nothing at [TS]

00:26:27   all [TS]

00:26:28   so iBooks is the tortoise like winning [TS]

00:26:30   this race against a hare that is totally [TS]

00:26:33   napping great as always there's been [TS]

00:26:37   lots of listener emails [TS]

00:26:39   never really know which ones to put on [TS]

00:26:41   the show but I've got a couple here that [TS]

00:26:43   caught my eye that I tell you about [TS]

00:26:44   that's the right thing there Brady you [TS]

00:26:46   don't mention how many because then I [TS]

00:26:48   can just cut them yeah sometimes you're [TS]

00:26:49   like oh I have exactly three listening [TS]

00:26:51   emails and I have to cut that sentence [TS]

00:26:53   and then just have a number of listener [TS]

00:26:55   emails so this one came in from a Tim [TS]

00:26:59   you two unveiled the world of podcast to [TS]

00:27:01   me and I'm a long time listener to your [TS]

00:27:03   show now nothing compares to a long and [TS]

00:27:06   naughty episode of hallo internet I just [TS]

00:27:09   had my wisdom tooth extracted and you [TS]

00:27:12   guys made me bear this horrid procedure [TS]

00:27:14   ever since I was a child I never liked [TS]

00:27:16   any form of surgical intrusion and like [TS]

00:27:18   those children who do it I can't say who [TS]

00:27:21   are those people I'm sure there's at [TS]

00:27:22   least one one weirdo but for the most of [TS]

00:27:24   us now No thank you and I absolutely [TS]

00:27:25   despise disappointment at my dentist so [TS]

00:27:29   what this Tim did was he listened to an [TS]

00:27:31   episode of hello Internet while having [TS]

00:27:33   the procedure done thank you guys for [TS]

00:27:35   making my tooth surgery more tolerable [TS]

00:27:36   and please keep producing the world's [TS]

00:27:38   most interesting podcast on the internet [TS]

00:27:41   and on vinyl this is some serious [TS]

00:27:43   sucking up going on here yeah I know [TS]

00:27:46   gray wants proof and as my wisdom tooth [TS]

00:27:48   had to be sawn into tiny pieces in order [TS]

00:27:50   to even get it out of the guns god I'm [TS]

00:27:53   sending you a picture of my medication [TS]

00:27:55   instead of a shattered tooth and there's [TS]

00:27:57   basically a picture of a whole bunch of [TS]

00:27:58   medical things plus a phone listening to [TS]

00:28:01   hello Internet as proof the thing I [TS]

00:28:03   found interesting though was this Tim [TS]

00:28:05   also pointed out to the episode that he [TS]

00:28:08   listened to during the procedure I'm [TS]

00:28:10   guessing you might be able to guess what [TS]

00:28:11   it is no but it was episode 35 which is [TS]

00:28:15   entitled are my teeth real so very nice [TS]

00:28:19   choice so great I had a question I was [TS]

00:28:21   going to ask you as a result of this [TS]

00:28:22   lesson but I don't need to ask you [TS]

00:28:25   because coincidentally we have another [TS]

00:28:27   email from another Tim this is an [TS]

00:28:30   Australian Tim called Sandra mm-hmm and [TS]

00:28:33   Sandra says user [TS]

00:28:34   all my titles here so showing total [TS]

00:28:36   respect dear dr. Brady hard as nails [TS]

00:28:39   soft as cushions Herron this is a [TS]

00:28:42   partial good yes I'll forgive that one [TS]

00:28:43   yes that was in the right place yeah [TS]

00:28:46   and the dr. counts for a lot I know yeah [TS]

00:28:48   it's a bit like getting like an MBA or [TS]

00:28:50   an OBE [TS]

00:28:50   wrong you know softest cushions Pasha's [TS]

00:28:52   cushions as long as cushions are in [TS]

00:28:54   there were okay so anyway this one from [TS]

00:28:58   Sandra says I've just had my upper right [TS]

00:29:00   wisdom teeth extracted tweet us if you [TS]

00:29:02   have a go wisdom tooth from oh no I'm [TS]

00:29:04   only tweet brady bleh pretty we got a [TS]

00:29:06   lot of people listening to this right [TS]

00:29:07   the number people who are getting a [TS]

00:29:08   wisdom tooth extracted right now is a [TS]

00:29:10   non-trivial number uh only tweet me if [TS]

00:29:13   you're having a wisdom tooth removed you [TS]

00:29:15   are in the chair and you are listening [TS]

00:29:17   to hello Internet yeah and only tweet [TS]

00:29:19   brady no come on surely you would allow [TS]

00:29:22   tweet for that that's not how this works [TS]

00:29:23   again didn't you learn haven't you learn [TS]

00:29:25   from the tweet of me if you're not on a [TS]

00:29:27   plane debacle that will haunt us until [TS]

00:29:29   the end of time yeah but then I open the [TS]

00:29:31   door for everyone surely my more [TS]

00:29:33   detailed description there is gonna keep [TS]

00:29:35   it specific not as the podcast keeps [TS]

00:29:37   growing man like we're getting into big [TS]

00:29:39   numbers here so now I want to make it [TS]

00:29:40   real clear do I really admire your [TS]

00:29:42   ambition that you're worried about the [TS]

00:29:44   number of people who are right now [TS]

00:29:45   sitting in a dentist's chair listening [TS]

00:29:47   to hello Internet anyway as I say and I [TS]

00:29:50   had wisdom teeth removed now the dentist [TS]

00:29:53   made the offer to keep the extracted [TS]

00:29:55   tooth mm-hmm [TS]

00:29:57   Sandra declined instead I've donated my [TS]

00:29:59   tooth to the student hospital for [TS]

00:30:01   education purposes which I didn't even [TS]

00:30:02   know was a thing like I would have [TS]

00:30:04   thought wisdom teeth were a dime a dozen [TS]

00:30:05   anyway my question to you is whether you [TS]

00:30:08   and gravy wants to answer have had your [TS]

00:30:11   wisdom teeth extracted and if so did you [TS]

00:30:14   keep your extracted tooth you strike me [TS]

00:30:17   I think as me Brady you strike me as [TS]

00:30:19   someone who would hoard his teeth kind [TS]

00:30:22   regards Sandra have you had your wisdom [TS]

00:30:25   teeth extracted gray if you wish to [TS]

00:30:28   answer I know you know your medical [TS]

00:30:29   records sir you're going business but I [TS]

00:30:31   think we can safely go into the wisdom [TS]

00:30:34   teeth territory yes I had one of my [TS]

00:30:37   wisdom teeth removed hmm because it was [TS]

00:30:40   causing a problem in the back of my gums [TS]

00:30:42   I had one of them removed in retrospect [TS]

00:30:46   very sketch [TS]

00:30:48   gee dentist office that was just up a [TS]

00:30:50   staircase on this high street and I'll [TS]

00:30:54   never forget that it was done so quickly [TS]

00:30:57   and sort of without ceremony the whole [TS]

00:30:59   it just made me have this done this [TS]

00:31:01   sounds Wow dodgy some back lined it was [TS]

00:31:04   in London I mean this is like 12 years [TS]

00:31:06   ago now I still do past that staircase [TS]

00:31:08   every once in a while and I'm like oh [TS]

00:31:10   yeah I know there's a little man up [TS]

00:31:11   there who pulls out teeth yeah I thought [TS]

00:31:13   that spot is it like that dodgy guy that [TS]

00:31:15   does your iPhone screen for ya and quit [TS]

00:31:17   or something I think that's essentially [TS]

00:31:18   what it was right yeah I would have been [TS]

00:31:20   like a very poor student at the time so [TS]

00:31:22   it's like a discount dentist but yeah I [TS]

00:31:25   remember it because the guy reaches in [TS]

00:31:28   there and he's like wiggling around he [TS]

00:31:30   seems to not be able to get the tooth [TS]

00:31:31   out and he looks at me he goes I'm gonna [TS]

00:31:34   really lean into this one and before I [TS]

00:31:36   could do anything he kinda like got up [TS]

00:31:39   on top of me and just leaned like right [TS]

00:31:42   into this tool that was holding onto the [TS]

00:31:44   tooth and it was the loudest most [TS]

00:31:46   terrifying crack in my head that I'd [TS]

00:31:49   ever heard all right and you think [TS]

00:31:51   playing crash chord is inappropriate [TS]

00:31:53   you're asking this question that's what [TS]

00:31:55   happens he got the whole thing out but [TS]

00:31:57   it was like he did it so quickly because [TS]

00:31:59   I think he knew I would object much more [TS]

00:32:01   sternly if I had a moment to realize [TS]

00:32:03   what was happening and he's like I'm [TS]

00:32:04   just gonna throw my body weight into [TS]

00:32:06   this one buddy like that's how we're [TS]

00:32:08   gonna get this tooth out so yes I've had [TS]

00:32:10   one wisdom tooth removed and now since [TS]

00:32:13   then what about you brain I bet you're a [TS]

00:32:15   guy that doesn't like going to the [TS]

00:32:16   dentist oh yeah of course not of course [TS]

00:32:18   not know who does Monda I don't Monda we [TS]

00:32:20   mean you don't mind it I don't know I [TS]

00:32:21   always have quite pleasant experiences [TS]

00:32:23   when I go to the dentist this is again [TS]

00:32:24   you live in this whole like Brady [TS]

00:32:25   alternate universe where everybody's [TS]

00:32:27   friendly and things are always pleasant [TS]

00:32:29   I don't understand and we you are given [TS]

00:32:32   the option to keep this tooth already [TS]

00:32:33   already sold it to sell in some black [TS]

00:32:35   market down the back lane or something I [TS]

00:32:37   don't even remember if I was given the [TS]

00:32:39   option to keep obviously I don't have it [TS]

00:32:40   why would anyone keep a wisdom tooth I [TS]

00:32:42   don't remember yeah if I was even given [TS]

00:32:45   the option or if it was immediately sold [TS]

00:32:47   and as in somebody else's head in China [TS]

00:32:49   now like I have no idea [TS]

00:32:52   I have not had my wisdom teeth removed [TS]

00:32:55   I've never really had a bad dental [TS]

00:32:57   procedure mm-hmm whether I'd keep it on [TS]

00:33:00   I probably would I don't know what I'd [TS]

00:33:01   do with it but what would you do with it [TS]

00:33:03   why would you keep I don't know but I [TS]

00:33:04   know about a year ago Audrey had to have [TS]

00:33:06   some teeth removed because she had some [TS]

00:33:08   teeth problems and I have got those [TS]

00:33:09   teeth somewhere in my room in a little [TS]

00:33:11   tiny little testing because they're so [TS]

00:33:13   cute they like this look tiny cute [TS]

00:33:15   little dog teeth and she's got such tiny [TS]

00:33:17   teeth or Dury they're like you know [TS]

00:33:18   little pinpricks do you take him out [TS]

00:33:19   every once in a while do you show them [TS]

00:33:21   to Audrey no I showed my wife and I [TS]

00:33:23   don't think she was particularly [TS]

00:33:24   impressed I wonder is there anybody you [TS]

00:33:26   could show these teeth to who would be [TS]

00:33:27   particularly impressed I don't know [TS]

00:33:29   you're right I probably shouldn't have [TS]

00:33:30   kept him I think you can safely get rid [TS]

00:33:33   of those Brady let's start the dehorning [TS]

00:33:35   process with something small tiny [TS]

00:33:37   Chihuahua gee that's a bad as small as [TS]

00:33:39   you can start with exactly so there you [TS]

00:33:41   go Sandra Grey has had it done quite [TS]

00:33:45   horrific we by the sounds of it and did [TS]

00:33:47   not keep the tooth and I have not had it [TS]

00:33:49   done and as you will keep the tooth do [TS]

00:33:52   you know what I think maybe I wouldn't [TS]

00:33:53   oh wow I feel like we're making progress [TS]

00:33:56   Brady [TS]

00:33:57   I don't like teeth I don't like how [TS]

00:33:58   teeth look when they're not in a mouth [TS]

00:34:00   and in gums like teeth when they're out [TS]

00:34:03   and you see like all the roots and the [TS]

00:34:04   whole full horror of a tooth it's not [TS]

00:34:07   quite as nice as when you just see the [TS]

00:34:08   part that sticks out above the gum [TS]

00:34:09   they're not good looking things teeth I [TS]

00:34:12   don't like how they've got those two [TS]

00:34:14   little prong bits on the bottom that [TS]

00:34:16   yeah now now I wouldn't keep the roots [TS]

00:34:18   that dig into your gums Brady that's you [TS]

00:34:20   don't like to think about that don't [TS]

00:34:21   like it your whole mouth is just just [TS]

00:34:23   full of pieces of calcium that have [TS]

00:34:25   roots that dig into your soft gums you [TS]

00:34:27   don't like thinking about that although [TS]

00:34:29   you just said who would like Audrey's [TS]

00:34:31   teeth Sandra actually signed off her [TS]

00:34:33   email as from Sandra fellow Aussie [TS]

00:34:36   devoted hello internet listener and [TS]

00:34:38   number for Audrey fan bracket after you [TS]

00:34:41   your wife and gray maybe that would be [TS]

00:34:43   an appropriate gift to Sandra and I'll [TS]

00:34:46   get rid of the teeth Sandra if you would [TS]

00:34:47   like Audrey's teeth let me know and I'll [TS]

00:34:51   get them shipped over to us for you I [TS]

00:34:53   had the crazy things I know that you [TS]

00:34:56   will actually do this if it happens I [TS]

00:34:57   just know what I'll take it right [TS]

00:35:01   however you're going to get rid of those [TS]

00:35:02   teeth whatever you need to do I think [TS]

00:35:04   that'll work [TS]

00:35:05   I'll be happy if that's how they go I'd [TS]

00:35:07   put them straight in the garbage but if [TS]

00:35:09   you feel they need to send them to [TS]

00:35:10   Australia that works too [TS]

00:35:12   one last listener email this is [TS]

00:35:15   brilliant [TS]

00:35:16   okay you're gonna like this now you're [TS]

00:35:18   big in it up Brady I'm confident you're [TS]

00:35:20   confident okay alright you know it's [TS]

00:35:22   really got to work if you big it up like [TS]

00:35:23   that well one of the few things that I [TS]

00:35:27   know you do like that shows you're more [TS]

00:35:28   human side mm-hmm [TS]

00:35:30   at cute animals oh yeah I think you're a [TS]

00:35:32   bit of a sucker for cute animals I think [TS]

00:35:34   you're wrong [TS]

00:35:34   cute animals now did do not move my [TS]

00:35:37   metallic art what you does Audrey is a [TS]

00:35:41   very nice doggy this is from Rosie it [TS]

00:35:44   starts off dear Brady [TS]

00:35:46   here's another things people do while [TS]

00:35:48   listening to a chai story for you last [TS]

00:35:50   summer [TS]

00:35:50   I conducted wildlife surveys in the [TS]

00:35:53   Carrizo Plain National Monument in [TS]

00:35:55   California we spent one month trapping [TS]

00:35:58   San Joaquin antelope squirrels a [TS]

00:36:01   threatened species okay I'm going to [TS]

00:36:04   send you a picture of what one of these [TS]

00:36:06   sand will Queen antelope squirrels looks [TS]

00:36:08   like there has been sent advice quite a [TS]

00:36:09   name that's quite an infernal it is [TS]

00:36:11   here's a picture of one via Rosie so [TS]

00:36:14   this was taken by Rosie in Scituate [TS]

00:36:29   we marked their bums with Sharpie okay [TS]

00:36:34   we will get there I was running out of [TS]

00:36:36   ideas for symbols to do but since I had [TS]

00:36:39   been marathoning AJ while doing some of [TS]

00:36:42   our more tedious surveys I realized I [TS]

00:36:44   could give a few of them a chai themed [TS]

00:36:46   names so attached are some pictures of [TS]

00:36:49   squirrels named hello Internet Brady [TS]

00:36:53   Haran [TS]

00:36:54   CGP and nailing gear and just so you can [TS]

00:36:58   see what we're talking about here are [TS]

00:36:59   you about to send me pictures of [TS]

00:37:01   squirrel butts with names written on [TS]

00:37:03   them yep here's the squirrel back with [TS]

00:37:05   b8 written on it for Brady Haran and [TS]

00:37:07   then here comes the squirrel but with [TS]

00:37:09   cgp [TS]

00:37:10   written on it so basically these tiny [TS]

00:37:13   squirrels quite largely have had these [TS]

00:37:16   things done on them but best of all is [TS]

00:37:18   the nailing gear [TS]

00:37:19   here is a endangered squirrel in [TS]

00:37:21   California with an ailing gear drawn on [TS]

00:37:25   its bum in sharpie I would describe this [TS]

00:37:27   as the rump of the squirrel is where [TS]

00:37:30   this is drunk this is not what I was [TS]

00:37:32   imagining around the actual real butt of [TS]

00:37:35   the squirrel right that's what I was [TS]

00:37:37   expecting you sending me for pictures of [TS]

00:37:39   right this is yeah squirrel rump right [TS]

00:37:42   not yet world but just a cipher work [TS]

00:37:44   yeah exactly right yeah if you're [TS]

00:37:46   listening to hello internet at work you [TS]

00:37:48   can safely click on this link and not [TS]

00:37:50   have to worry that your boss is gonna [TS]

00:37:52   come over in an opportune time and ask [TS]

00:37:54   why on earth are you looking at [TS]

00:37:56   photographs of scroll bot yeah you can [TS]

00:37:58   say it's like a boss it's just the rump [TS]

00:37:59   yeah it's just the rump totally safe for [TS]

00:38:03   work that nail in gear on little [TS]

00:38:07   squirrel though that's very cute is very [TS]

00:38:08   cute it is cool and also you know I've [TS]

00:38:12   sent you bits of paper where they were [TS]

00:38:13   doing all the work anyway you get the [TS]

00:38:15   impression how long do they need to [TS]

00:38:17   track these squirrels for though because [TS]

00:38:18   that has to come off eventually is this [TS]

00:38:20   just a temporary tracking process that's [TS]

00:38:21   going on here I imagine I imagine so [TS]

00:38:23   anyway she finishes her mo with [TS]

00:38:26   ironically CGP the squirrel ended up [TS]

00:38:28   being a female just like the penguin [TS]

00:38:30   that seems like this is the this is how [TS]

00:38:32   it works when cgb is a different animal [TS]

00:38:34   I'm sure you can guess what my [TS]

00:38:36   one-sentence reply to Rosie was I cannot [TS]

00:38:38   well I wanted to know what the gender of [TS]

00:38:40   Brady H I and Nalin gear were all right [TS]

00:38:42   okay so here's a little chart here's a [TS]

00:38:44   little chart oh you can look it up [TS]

00:38:45   yourself on the chat Brady's a boy I [TS]

00:38:47   prefer man but ok boy ha sorry yeah no [TS]

00:38:50   wait [TS]

00:38:51   I don't think a male squirrel can be a [TS]

00:38:53   man I think that's what can be a boy [TS]

00:38:55   either look right because dogs dogs can [TS]

00:38:57   be a good boy right but you would never [TS]

00:38:59   say to a grown up dog that he's a good [TS]

00:39:01   man [TS]

00:39:02   right right I do say to my dogs good [TS]

00:39:04   girl I've never called them good woman [TS]

00:39:05   yeah all right that'd be super weird so [TS]

00:39:07   I just call them ladies though I do call [TS]

00:39:09   my dogs ladies that's also fine right [TS]

00:39:11   you can see like oh hello ladies right [TS]

00:39:13   when the two of them walk in the room I [TS]

00:39:15   think I sometimes sing all the single [TS]

00:39:16   ladies when they walk in the room okay [TS]

00:39:18   it's a little too much personal [TS]

00:39:19   information but that still works right [TS]

00:39:20   that's what I'm saying if I'd sung it [TS]

00:39:22   that would have been weird okay or I [TS]

00:39:23   think you can address a pack of dogs as [TS]

00:39:26   guys right all of this works but I don't [TS]

00:39:28   think it works if we're going to a man [TS]

00:39:31   or a woman so I'm gonna stick with [TS]

00:39:33   The Brady Haran squirrel is a boy [TS]

00:39:35   squirrel what could we go mail or we [TS]

00:39:37   could say he's a mail squirrel that is [TS]

00:39:38   also true because that's what Rosie said [TS]

00:39:40   Rosie said Brady was a mail so was a [TS]

00:39:42   chai and Nalin gear so the only lady was [TS]

00:39:45   CGP that's fine I'm happy with that [TS]

00:39:47   that were right with that I know CGP [TS]

00:39:50   grey the squirrel she's the one actually [TS]

00:39:52   making sure that there are more of these [TS]

00:39:53   endangered squirrels in the future she's [TS]

00:39:55   doing the hard work yeah I'm not gonna [TS]

00:39:57   argue with that thank you very much [TS]

00:40:00   definitely have a look at these pictures [TS]

00:40:01   of squirrel rumps in the show notes if [TS]

00:40:04   you are so inclined yeah if you want to [TS]

00:40:06   see squirrel rumps we've got some you've [TS]

00:40:07   come to the right point one hello [TS]

00:40:12   Internet I've never heard that podcast [TS]

00:40:13   arts that one will they always talk [TS]

00:40:15   about squirrel rumps oh yeah I like that [TS]

00:40:18   stuff I love those squirt room guys [TS]

00:40:19   they're awesome [TS]

00:40:20   yeah who could have thought they'd get [TS]

00:40:22   so many episodes out of it but anyway [TS]

00:40:24   yeah I can't wait for all of this follow [TS]

00:40:26   up in the future right nailing gear [TS]

00:40:29   squirrels spotted in the wild right [TS]

00:40:30   someone's just walking around in [TS]

00:40:31   California they happen to be a Tim and [TS]

00:40:33   right by them runs a squirrel with an [TS]

00:40:35   and character on the rump like what the [TS]

00:40:38   heck [TS]

00:40:38   I'm never gonna believe this speaking of [TS]

00:40:43   things you would not believe mm-hmm [TS]

00:40:45   we have just passed another April Fool's [TS]

00:40:47   Day why wouldn't you believe that it [TS]

00:40:49   comes every year I thought that was a [TS]

00:40:51   nice segue you've just completely ruined [TS]

00:40:52   it was that a joke was there now's to be [TS]

00:40:54   a job but uh how was that anyway because [TS]

00:40:57   like things you wouldn't believe in [TS]

00:40:59   April Fool's days telling people you [TS]

00:41:01   know making people believe things that [TS]

00:41:02   aren't real doesn't matter it's very [TS]

00:41:04   clever [TS]

00:41:04   I'm sorry Brady it's very clever that [TS]

00:41:06   was a fantastic segue there thank you [TS]

00:41:08   thank you it's it's gonna give a better [TS]

00:41:09   man ten out of ten would say way again [TS]

00:41:11   so April Fool's Day we've got to retire [TS]

00:41:15   this thing thank God [TS]

00:41:16   I know what a waste of time it also [TS]

00:41:19   feels like you've ruined it everybody [TS]

00:41:20   yeah right you have ruined it you're all [TS]

00:41:23   too into this that now it's not fun [TS]

00:41:25   anymore do you know what's ruined up [TS]

00:41:26   gray what social media and [TS]

00:41:29   corporatization yeah social media that's [TS]

00:41:31   a good one but I was going to say it's [TS]

00:41:33   companies getting on board yet now is [TS]

00:41:35   the worst I imagine there are businesses [TS]

00:41:37   now that have whole departments [TS]

00:41:39   dedicated to like next year's April [TS]

00:41:40   Fool's Day joke mm-hmm and like April [TS]

00:41:43   Fool's Day is not about that what is the [TS]

00:41:45   true meaning of April Fool's [TS]

00:41:47   I actually don't know what its history [TS]

00:41:52   is and I don't need to know because now [TS]

00:41:54   the bloody subreddits gonna be full of [TS]

00:41:56   it [TS]

00:41:56   so I'm going to spend the next two weeks [TS]

00:41:58   basically immersed in the minutiae of [TS]

00:42:01   how April Fool's Day came to be I don't [TS]

00:42:03   care how it came to be I'm sure it's a [TS]

00:42:04   good story [TS]

00:42:05   I liked April Fool's Day back in the day [TS]

00:42:07   when it was like a thing that maybe one [TS]

00:42:10   newspaper would maybe do or like your [TS]

00:42:13   local TV station London something every [TS]

00:42:15   few years and you know there are some [TS]

00:42:16   classics but now it's just tiresome like [TS]

00:42:20   what they need to do is that all the [TS]

00:42:22   businesses and PR departments and [TS]

00:42:24   companies and people in the world and [TS]

00:42:26   news organizations that need to get [TS]

00:42:27   together and say alright this year you [TS]

00:42:30   can do one mm-hmm and no one else can do [TS]

00:42:32   it because when every man and their dog [TS]

00:42:35   is doing it all giggling to themself [TS]

00:42:36   like a dad who's just told a dad joke [TS]

00:42:38   yeah we just did like oh yeah look what [TS]

00:42:42   you just did and every single other [TS]

00:42:44   person in my timeline just did go away [TS]

00:42:46   yeah you know what that's what it is [TS]

00:42:48   it's like dad joke day [TS]

00:42:49   yeah that's precisely what it is it's [TS]

00:42:51   like Oh Google has a video about their [TS]

00:42:53   Google Nome instead of Google home it's [TS]

00:42:56   like oh my god I can't deal with this [TS]

00:42:58   this is terrible [TS]

00:42:59   yeah yes it's like dad jokes from [TS]

00:43:01   corporations because real humor always [TS]

00:43:03   has a little bit of like an edge to it [TS]

00:43:05   that's what makes it funny but a company [TS]

00:43:07   they don't want to have any edge to [TS]

00:43:09   anything so which is going to be some [TS]

00:43:10   stupid pun right that's what they're [TS]

00:43:12   gonna do and you also know they're like [TS]

00:43:13   measuring their engagement with the joke [TS]

00:43:15   right last year's April Fool's Day [TS]

00:43:17   performance we had double the retweets [TS]

00:43:20   of this year's April Fool's Day [TS]

00:43:21   tweet that we did last year and it's [TS]

00:43:23   like if anyone is going to be suckered [TS]

00:43:25   in by some traditional day and a bit of [TS]

00:43:27   tomfoolery it's me and I bloody hate it [TS]

00:43:29   yeah I'm actually kind of surprised that [TS]

00:43:31   you're on this side of it I assumed you [TS]

00:43:33   were going to be on the other side of [TS]

00:43:34   this I've like a let's return to the [TS]

00:43:36   true meaning of April Fool's but I'm [TS]

00:43:39   actually somewhat surprised yeah that [TS]

00:43:40   you don't you don't want to go along [TS]

00:43:41   with this non tastic tradition can't [TS]

00:43:44   stand get rid of it for the past several [TS]

00:43:46   years I have taken April Fool's as my [TS]

00:43:49   annual don't go on the Internet at all [TS]

00:43:51   day and here's the thing in the past I [TS]

00:43:54   occasionally would tweet about this like [TS]

00:43:56   I put up a little image like I'm just [TS]

00:43:57   not going to be online today everybody [TS]

00:43:58   like goodbye I recommend you do this [TS]

00:44:00   same thing like just unplugged for a day [TS]

00:44:01   you won't miss anything but I was aware [TS]

00:44:04   this year that April fools again because [TS]

00:44:07   of social media it like it's it bleeds [TS]

00:44:09   into it's actually a lot closer to two [TS]

00:44:11   days like two and a half days yeah [TS]

00:44:14   because you have people all over the [TS]

00:44:15   world and the day after people are still [TS]

00:44:18   retweeting stuff from April Fool's so I [TS]

00:44:20   think in the future I might have to [TS]

00:44:22   start quarantine in this day with like a [TS]

00:44:24   whole week around it of like I'm just [TS]

00:44:25   not going on the internet at this time [TS]

00:44:26   because everything is super dumb it's [TS]

00:44:29   super dumb and it's super frustrating [TS]

00:44:31   and the Internet's full of untrue crap [TS]

00:44:33   anyway in an era of fake news let's not [TS]

00:44:36   even start a fake news this is talk [TS]

00:44:38   about stuff that's wrong or stuff that's [TS]

00:44:40   supposed to be a joke and this stuff [TS]

00:44:41   lasts forever - it's not like a [TS]

00:44:43   newspaper story or an old TV telecast on [TS]

00:44:46   the BBC 40 years ago that went out and [TS]

00:44:48   was forgotten yeah or the fish and chips [TS]

00:44:50   was Repton this stuff hangs around [TS]

00:44:51   forever as well yeah so it just becomes [TS]

00:44:53   this like legacy of that's not the point [TS]

00:44:56   yes it's not the old BBC broadcast about [TS]

00:44:58   the spaghetti harvest yeah so guess what [TS]

00:45:00   everybody [TS]

00:45:01   everyday is April Fool's on the Internet [TS]

00:45:04   in some way right where it's just like [TS]

00:45:05   filled with stuff that can't possibly be [TS]

00:45:07   real and trying to sort it out from the [TS]

00:45:09   stuff that isn't so yeah it's a [TS]

00:45:10   frustrating holiday if it's not [TS]

00:45:12   corporations being dumb I also feel like [TS]

00:45:15   it's a weird day where it's like people [TS]

00:45:16   have a permission to be like a jackass [TS]

00:45:19   like this is a holiday that has almost [TS]

00:45:20   no redeeming characteristics at all I'm [TS]

00:45:23   not sure I'd call a holiday but I know [TS]

00:45:25   you know yeah we put it we put it in the [TS]

00:45:26   pantheon of holidays right a st. [TS]

00:45:28   Patrick's Day [TS]

00:45:29   Cupid's Day I don't think there are [TS]

00:45:31   people that have like a day off April [TS]

00:45:33   Fool's Day they like but anyway the [TS]

00:45:35   problem is every day has this done to it [TS]

00:45:38   because now like there's like so much [TS]

00:45:41   stuff there's so much Twitter and [TS]

00:45:42   Facebook and there's so much PR and spin [TS]

00:45:45   and stuff everything gets ruined and I [TS]

00:45:47   accept you know Christmas has to be [TS]

00:45:49   ruined that's what Christmas is mm-hmm [TS]

00:45:51   and all these major holidays everyone [TS]

00:45:53   jumps on but it seems like anything that [TS]

00:45:55   comes up now gets destroyed like this [TS]

00:45:57   and another prime example that you're [TS]

00:45:59   probably not as exposed to because you [TS]

00:46:00   don't have a mathematics YouTube channel [TS]

00:46:02   but I do mmm and that's pi day this you [TS]

00:46:05   know 14th of March through 14 like when [TS]

00:46:09   that sort of got a little bit of [TS]

00:46:10   traction a few years ago and like I put [TS]

00:46:12   up a couple of Pi Day videos and you [TS]

00:46:14   know [TS]

00:46:14   was a little fun thing but now just like [TS]

00:46:16   every man woman and their dog jumps all [TS]

00:46:20   over pi day as an excuse for publicity [TS]

00:46:23   and attention and it's like ah I almost [TS]

00:46:26   want to pull off the internet now for [TS]

00:46:27   three days before in three days after pi [TS]

00:46:29   day because i obviously follow a lot of [TS]

00:46:31   math you people and stuff and like my [TS]

00:46:33   timeline facebook and that just becomes [TS]

00:46:35   a kind of issue around that time as well [TS]

00:46:37   this makes me laugh because i feel like [TS]

00:46:39   you are at the center of a particular [TS]

00:46:41   kind of storm here [TS]

00:46:43   i have a hard time imagining anybody who [TS]

00:46:45   might be on the receiving end of more pi [TS]

00:46:47   day stuff than you is like if we're [TS]

00:46:53   complaining about Oh hot stopper news [TS]

00:46:55   like there's just too much of it all the [TS]

00:46:56   time it's like well actually we're like [TS]

00:46:58   the Nexus of all hot stuff is it's not [TS]

00:47:01   like a society-wide problem and that [TS]

00:47:03   might be a little bit of pi day for you [TS]

00:47:05   yeah it's like you're gonna be right at [TS]

00:47:07   the center of this anyway I proposed I [TS]

00:47:11   had enough but gah why I do have to [TS]

00:47:14   mention one thing here though that I [TS]

00:47:17   would be remiss if I did not mention [TS]

00:47:18   which is that one corporation that I [TS]

00:47:23   think at least does something [TS]

00:47:24   interesting sometimes on April Fool's is [TS]

00:47:28   reddit they don't do jokes right they're [TS]

00:47:32   not doing some joke they don't release [TS]

00:47:33   like a dumb feature that they pretend is [TS]

00:47:36   real but they have done little like [TS]

00:47:39   experiments on their user base sometimes [TS]

00:47:42   over April Fool's and the one that they [TS]

00:47:44   did this year was actually quite amazing [TS]

00:47:47   and did cross my attention which was our [TS]

00:47:50   place this big pixel art I don't know if [TS]

00:47:54   you saw this at all break yes I did I [TS]

00:47:55   did I found it very interesting [TS]

00:47:57   so for listeners who are unaware reddit [TS]

00:48:00   what they started on April 1st and they [TS]

00:48:03   let it run for I think 72 hours in the [TS]

00:48:06   end or something like that was they [TS]

00:48:08   created a blank grid there was a [TS]

00:48:10   thousand pixels by a thousand pixels and [TS]

00:48:13   all of reddits users every 5 minutes [TS]

00:48:16   could color in one of the pixels any [TS]

00:48:20   color they wanted over the 72 hours I [TS]

00:48:24   have to say it was just [TS]

00:48:26   very interesting thing to see different [TS]

00:48:30   groups of people coming together to try [TS]

00:48:32   to represent their group on this piece [TS]

00:48:36   of artwork that was being created this [TS]

00:48:38   was a just a very interesting look into [TS]

00:48:42   groups interacting with each other on [TS]

00:48:44   the internet because it required [TS]

00:48:45   teamwork didn't you would have to say [TS]

00:48:47   okay everyone let's let tag at this [TS]

00:48:49   portion of the grid and use of all our [TS]

00:48:51   app credits or our time or our colors to [TS]

00:48:53   try and create this image and other [TS]

00:48:55   people might try and come in and [TS]

00:48:56   encroach upon it that's exactly like as [TS]

00:48:58   an individual user all you could do was [TS]

00:49:00   just put down a pixel and there were [TS]

00:49:02   plenty of people who were just [TS]

00:49:03   essentially defacing the image by just [TS]

00:49:06   putting down random color pixels all [TS]

00:49:08   over the place but then there were much [TS]

00:49:10   bigger groups that we're trying to say [TS]

00:49:11   like we will defend the American flag in [TS]

00:49:13   the center of this image right but in [TS]

00:49:15   order to do that we need to convince a [TS]

00:49:17   couple thousand people to keep this tab [TS]

00:49:20   open in the background on their [TS]

00:49:21   computers and monitor the American flag [TS]

00:49:24   and change all the colors to make it [TS]

00:49:25   match there was a group that was calling [TS]

00:49:27   themselves just the Void who was trying [TS]

00:49:29   to black out the whole canvas and it's [TS]

00:49:31   really interesting like people have put [TS]

00:49:33   together time lapses of what happens [TS]

00:49:35   with this image over time and you can [TS]

00:49:38   see like these factions coming and going [TS]

00:49:41   and like the void is growing and [TS]

00:49:42   expanding and then people are working to [TS]

00:49:44   push back the void and is I found it a [TS]

00:49:47   very very interesting thing and of [TS]

00:49:49   course the most interesting thing is [TS]

00:49:51   that the listeners of hello Internet the [TS]

00:49:55   huge number of Tim's that there are were [TS]

00:49:57   able to secure a corner of the place for [TS]

00:50:00   hello Internet and so there's our logo [TS]

00:50:04   and not insignificant gray they did a [TS]

00:50:06   really good job type they did a really [TS]

00:50:08   good job it is not just a tiny little [TS]

00:50:10   thing like it's a decent little chunk of [TS]

00:50:12   this thing it's multiple images like we [TS]

00:50:15   have our faces we have Flags rebel flags [TS]

00:50:18   maybe but they're our rebels so it's [TS]

00:50:20   okay yeah it was really interesting to [TS]

00:50:22   see and especially because this didn't [TS]

00:50:24   really cross my radar until just I think [TS]

00:50:26   maybe only two hours before the whole [TS]

00:50:27   thing was going to shut down so I have [TS]

00:50:29   to give total credit to our audience [TS]

00:50:31   that this was 100% arranged and [TS]

00:50:35   accomplished just by them but for [TS]

00:50:38   anybody listening I got put some links [TS]

00:50:39   in the show notes [TS]

00:50:40   of some of the time lapses what the [TS]

00:50:42   final image looks like some close-ups of [TS]

00:50:44   the hello Internet section yeah I I [TS]

00:50:46   think this was a very interesting thing [TS]

00:50:49   that occurred on the internet that was [TS]

00:50:52   connected to April Fool's and is [TS]

00:50:54   probably the best April Fool's related [TS]

00:50:56   thing I have ever seen because it was [TS]

00:50:58   actually interesting it's got nothing to [TS]

00:51:00   do with April Fool's gray though other [TS]

00:51:02   than they did it on April 4 yeah so I [TS]

00:51:03   think I wouldn't count that as April [TS]

00:51:05   Fool's but I thought it was cool I guess [TS]

00:51:07   we have to talk about this one red pixel [TS]

00:51:09   they approached on our little territory [TS]

00:51:12   and someone put a little red pixel on [TS]

00:51:13   the little H eye section of the image [TS]

00:51:15   that unfortunately was there when it all [TS]

00:51:16   shut down so it's there for eternity how [TS]

00:51:18   do you feel about that oh but I'm [TS]

00:51:20   totally fine with that right because [TS]

00:51:21   that's what this thing is like I think [TS]

00:51:23   that red pixel is an indicator of what [TS]

00:51:25   this project was right where there are [TS]

00:51:27   there are some people who are working [TS]

00:51:29   against the coherence of the overall [TS]

00:51:32   thing but I love this stuff because like [TS]

00:51:35   as much trouble as we give Wikipedia I [TS]

00:51:37   think Wikipedia is a testament to the [TS]

00:51:40   fact that although people don't always [TS]

00:51:42   think it most people are good and [TS]

00:51:47   helpful right the a thing like Wikipedia [TS]

00:51:49   could never exist if most people were [TS]

00:51:53   what sometimes it seems like most people [TS]

00:51:55   think anonymous people are which is just [TS]

00:51:58   a bunch of jackasses out to ruin [TS]

00:52:00   everything right and it's like if people [TS]

00:52:02   weren't willing and able to coordinate [TS]

00:52:04   and work towards the better good [TS]

00:52:06   something like our place could never [TS]

00:52:08   have happened at all it would just be a [TS]

00:52:09   big massive noise but the fact that some [TS]

00:52:13   people just want to see the world burn [TS]

00:52:15   that's part of the experience of the [TS]

00:52:17   Internet but overall people wanting to [TS]

00:52:21   work together and be good is a bigger [TS]

00:52:23   part of it so I feel like I'm totally [TS]

00:52:25   fine with that red dot that red dot is [TS]

00:52:27   almost symbolic of the fact that [TS]

00:52:29   coordination triumphs over chaos so I [TS]

00:52:32   have no problem with it [TS]

00:52:33   there's also tradition I think it's a [TS]

00:52:35   Far Eastern tradition amongst the sort [TS]

00:52:37   of famous old rug makers who would [TS]

00:52:39   stitch these incredible huge rugs that [TS]

00:52:41   they put one stitch in the rug that is a [TS]

00:52:43   mistake deliberately and that's like a [TS]

00:52:46   reminder that only God is perfect you [TS]

00:52:48   can't make a perfect rug cool so maybe [TS]

00:52:50   that's a imperfect stitch as well I like [TS]

00:52:52   it I have to say it was [TS]

00:52:53   interesting to see the final image I [TS]

00:52:55   think people should really take a look [TS]

00:52:57   at it watch the time lapses they're very [TS]

00:52:59   interesting and I have to say if I'm so [TS]

00:53:02   pleased and surprised that our audience [TS]

00:53:04   was able to coordinate and accomplish [TS]

00:53:07   this thing all on their own it's very [TS]

00:53:08   impressive it's very impressive speaking [TS]

00:53:11   of our audience in Tim's I would like to [TS]

00:53:12   say a quick hello to the surprisingly [TS]

00:53:15   high number of Tim's that I bumped into [TS]

00:53:17   at VidCon in Amsterdam European VidCon [TS]

00:53:20   oh did you go which I mentioned I was [TS]

00:53:22   going to I didn't know you were going oh [TS]

00:53:23   and although gray is playing coy Gray [TS]

00:53:27   was there as well or was I you wouldn't [TS]

00:53:30   know there you were there I had a really [TS]

00:53:34   good time mainly because I liked hanging [TS]

00:53:35   out with you and some of our friends I [TS]

00:53:37   had a really good time doing that I also [TS]

00:53:39   did the things I had to do I did a talk [TS]

00:53:41   on the first morning and I also went [TS]

00:53:42   along and did a little workshop with [TS]

00:53:44   some Tim's who had the surprise of gray [TS]

00:53:46   coming along as a special guest you [TS]

00:53:48   actually agreed to come along and talk [TS]

00:53:50   with me which was very kind of you [TS]

00:53:52   I was strong-armed into coming along by [TS]

00:53:55   an unprepared Brady is how I would [TS]

00:53:57   describe the situation you absolutely [TS]

00:53:59   would not strong-armed I said it would [TS]

00:54:01   be lovely for you to come along be a [TS]

00:54:03   nice surprise for the people who came [TS]

00:54:05   but you under no pressure and it's [TS]

00:54:06   completely up to you I said I would like [TS]

00:54:09   you to do it but if you don't like [TS]

00:54:12   absolutely no problem I can see the [TS]

00:54:14   ostia I think you were curious I will in [TS]

00:54:18   public allow you to indulge that [TS]

00:54:20   delusion how things went on it's not my [TS]

00:54:23   personal experience of how it went down [TS]

00:54:24   but no you did strong-arm me into going [TS]

00:54:27   into a thing and yes I was there at [TS]

00:54:29   VidCon in the end much to my surprise [TS]

00:54:31   what did you think of it I mean I [TS]

00:54:33   haven't been to the big American VidCon [TS]

00:54:35   for years so I always forget that oh [TS]

00:54:36   yeah what was your overall impression of [TS]

00:54:38   VidCon Europe any sort of just quick [TS]

00:54:41   executive summary I feel like I'm just [TS]

00:54:42   the worst person in the world to try to [TS]

00:54:44   give an executive summary of these [TS]

00:54:45   things because I am I am going in such a [TS]

00:54:47   strange way I feel like I am going as a [TS]

00:54:50   tourist who is interested in this thing [TS]

00:54:53   in a very abstract way because I'm not [TS]

00:54:57   there as a creator learning how to work [TS]

00:55:01   in the industry I'm also not there [TS]

00:55:04   is one of the creators who like you is [TS]

00:55:07   actually doing presentations and has an [TS]

00:55:10   onstage presence so I always feel like [TS]

00:55:12   very much like an odd man out at VidCon [TS]

00:55:16   I feel I feel very much like I'm not [TS]

00:55:17   really supposed to be here I'm here and [TS]

00:55:20   just observing this like an [TS]

00:55:22   anthropologist I just find it an [TS]

00:55:24   interesting experience I don't know how [TS]

00:55:27   other people experience VidCon like I [TS]

00:55:31   think it's a very different thing if [TS]

00:55:32   you're going on a stage I'm not asking [TS]

00:55:34   how other people experience I'm asking [TS]

00:55:35   how you experience it but that's what [TS]

00:55:37   I'm saying like I experienced it as a [TS]

00:55:38   tourist like I think it's very [TS]

00:55:40   interesting to see I'm always very [TS]

00:55:42   interested in how big things get pulled [TS]

00:55:46   off like I find it fascinating of like [TS]

00:55:49   how does this thing go from an idea in [TS]

00:55:52   someone's head - oh there's thousands of [TS]

00:55:56   people here [TS]

00:55:57   and there are also sandwiches on that [TS]

00:55:59   table over there and all of this has to [TS]

00:56:00   be arranged somehow and it all seems [TS]

00:56:03   like it's just so far beyond the mind of [TS]

00:56:05   a single individual person and I don't [TS]

00:56:07   understand how its coordinated like I [TS]

00:56:09   always just find my mind being drawn [TS]

00:56:10   towards that kind of stuff yeah and one [TS]

00:56:13   of these days I will get someone who's [TS]

00:56:15   in charge of VidCon like I will bully [TS]

00:56:16   them into a corner and give them a pen [TS]

00:56:18   and be like draw for me the org chart on [TS]

00:56:20   this napkin like I don't understand how [TS]

00:56:23   all of this happens and I would like to [TS]

00:56:25   see on a piece of paper the logistics [TS]

00:56:27   behind all of this [TS]

00:56:28   I find that stuff very very interesting [TS]

00:56:31   I have got a quick sports book owner [TS]

00:56:34   gray ok well I've picked one that I [TS]

00:56:36   think is relevant to you you always do [TS]

00:56:38   okay alright go ahead [TS]

00:56:39   do you have some story about a person is [TS]

00:56:41   that what you think is is relevant to me [TS]

00:56:43   yeah okay here we go great yeah nailed [TS]

00:56:45   it perfect 10 out of 10 10 attends [TS]

00:56:48   fourth-wall corner [TS]

00:56:48   the topic is golf okay but it's not the [TS]

00:56:52   Masters golf which everyone is gonna be [TS]

00:56:53   hoping I'm talking about which is the [TS]

00:56:55   big tournament that just happened oh is [TS]

00:56:56   that what everyone's gonna be hoping [TS]

00:56:57   you're talking about yeah because I [TS]

00:56:59   watched the Masters and I was like [TS]

00:57:00   tweeting while I was watching everyone [TS]

00:57:02   saying oh you got to talk to gray about [TS]

00:57:03   this but there's nothing to talk to grab [TS]

00:57:05   air about the Masters it was just a good [TS]

00:57:06   golf tournament mm-hmm [TS]

00:57:07   but what I want to talk about is the [TS]

00:57:10   tournament the week before I called the [TS]

00:57:12   aana inspiration which obviously is a [TS]

00:57:15   sponsors name but this is one of the [TS]

00:57:17   four May [TS]

00:57:18   tournaments for women golfers and I want [TS]

00:57:22   to tell you what happened on the final [TS]

00:57:24   day because I want to know what you [TS]

00:57:25   think about this whether you think this [TS]

00:57:27   is a good thing [TS]

00:57:28   and makes you happy and makes you happy [TS]

00:57:31   with the world or you think it's like a [TS]

00:57:32   bit of a travesty [TS]

00:57:34   this woman as you know it well as you [TS]

00:57:37   probably don't know typically a golf [TS]

00:57:38   tournament is played over four days you [TS]

00:57:40   play the 18 holes over four consecutive [TS]

00:57:42   days and whoever has the lowest [TS]

00:57:44   accumulated score is the winner right [TS]

00:57:46   and this woman called Lexi Thompson was [TS]

00:57:50   leading after three days and she was [TS]

00:57:52   playing on the fourth day and she was [TS]

00:57:54   still leading the tournament she was [TS]

00:57:55   streaking away and was going to win the [TS]

00:57:58   tournament it was clear she had this [TS]

00:57:59   comfortable lead and then what happened [TS]

00:58:01   was a TV viewer contacted the network [TS]

00:58:05   and the organisers of the tournament and [TS]

00:58:08   said I was watching some footage from [TS]

00:58:10   the third day and when this woman picked [TS]

00:58:13   up her golf ball from the green and like [TS]

00:58:15   cleaned the grass off it and then put it [TS]

00:58:17   back down where she'd put her marker she [TS]

00:58:20   didn't put it in exactly the right place [TS]

00:58:22   it was like a few millimeters wrong [TS]

00:58:24   there are very strict rules about how [TS]

00:58:25   this works with golf so the people [TS]

00:58:29   organizing the tournament went back and [TS]

00:58:30   watched the previous day's footage and [TS]

00:58:32   yes she had reached this rule which I [TS]

00:58:35   think was so trivial it hardly matters [TS]

00:58:38   but anyway it didn't make a big [TS]

00:58:40   difference but she did technically [TS]

00:58:41   breach this rule the penalty for doing [TS]

00:58:43   that is a two-shot penalty mm-hmm so [TS]

00:58:46   they gave her a two-shot penalty there's [TS]

00:58:48   another penalty in golf that if you sign [TS]

00:58:50   your scorecard at the end of the day and [TS]

00:58:52   the score is incorrect you get a [TS]

00:58:53   two-shot penalty and cuz she designed a [TS]

00:58:55   scorecard that was now incorrect [TS]

00:58:57   although how could she have known [TS]

00:58:58   otherwise she got another two-shot [TS]

00:59:00   penalty so she got this four shot [TS]

00:59:02   penalty they walk out to her on the golf [TS]

00:59:04   course and say because of what you did [TS]

00:59:05   yesterday which some viewers saw which [TS]

00:59:08   we've now gone and found we're docking [TS]

00:59:10   you for shots and she went on to lose [TS]

00:59:14   the tournament in a playoff because of [TS]

00:59:16   this now I know that you're a big fan of [TS]

00:59:19   TV replays and you think it's crazy that [TS]

00:59:21   TV replays aren't used in sport hmm so I [TS]

00:59:24   want to know what you think about this [TS]

00:59:26   happening by the way one of the problems [TS]

00:59:28   is when you're leading the tournament [TS]

00:59:29   you're getting filmed a whole lot more [TS]

00:59:30   often [TS]

00:59:31   so you're much more likely to get caught [TS]

00:59:32   doing this trivial little mistake mm-hmm [TS]

00:59:35   so that's one thing but a thing I want [TS]

00:59:36   to know is no referee saw it no one saw [TS]

00:59:39   it on the day no one associated with the [TS]

00:59:41   tournament Sora [TS]

00:59:42   she was basically you know was a tail [TS]

00:59:44   tattle viewer sitting in their sofa at [TS]

00:59:47   home hold on her you're showing your [TS]

00:59:50   hand there I think we can all [TS]

00:59:53   objectively call this person a [TS]

00:59:54   tattletale yes so I wanna know where [TS]

00:59:58   great a big butt [TS]

00:59:58   great a big butt [TS]

01:00:00   flavor and using of technology and [TS]

01:00:01   replays and things in sport and getting [TS]

01:00:03   a fair outcome feels about the story as [TS]

01:00:05   I just told I will have an asterisk to [TS]

01:00:07   this the statement yeah but in general I [TS]

01:00:11   would say what are sports but a [TS]

01:00:14   collection of rules yep if we're just [TS]

01:00:16   going to say that we're not going to [TS]

01:00:18   follow those rules all the time then [TS]

01:00:21   what are we even doing here right why [TS]

01:00:23   are we all together what is this thing [TS]

01:00:25   that's occurring yep [TS]

01:00:26   so if a viewer spotted a thing that none [TS]

01:00:29   of the referee spotted and it was [TS]

01:00:32   technically something she should not do [TS]

01:00:35   it doesn't matter by how little she did [TS]

01:00:38   the thing that she should not do she did [TS]

01:00:40   a thing that she was not supposed to do [TS]

01:00:41   that was against the rules that [TS]

01:00:43   encourages penalty and then she received [TS]

01:00:45   that penalty I don't see what the [TS]

01:00:46   problem is I think that viewer I think [TS]

01:00:49   we could fairly describe them as a rules [TS]

01:00:50   hero that's what that person is right [TS]

01:00:53   they're calling in doing their civic [TS]

01:00:55   duty right doing a thing that actually [TS]

01:00:57   has an effect in the world enforcing the [TS]

01:01:00   rules and taking someone who would have [TS]

01:01:03   I think again we can objectively say [TS]

01:01:04   stolen a place in the playoff from [TS]

01:01:10   somebody else [TS]

01:01:11   and giving it to the person who actually [TS]

01:01:13   won so I see no problem with this I [TS]

01:01:15   think this is great okay all right I [TS]

01:01:18   mean I also think part of roles need to [TS]

01:01:21   be who has the power to enforce the [TS]

01:01:23   rules and I think you have to draw lines [TS]

01:01:25   like the infringement has to be seen by [TS]

01:01:28   the right person but is that is that [TS]

01:01:30   part of the rules it doesn't sound like [TS]

01:01:32   that was part of the rules I also think [TS]

01:01:33   they need to be Lions drawed like are we [TS]

01:01:35   gonna start going through like footage [TS]

01:01:37   from the 1950s and finding times where [TS]

01:01:40   people broke rules and start like [TS]

01:01:42   reallocating scores and trophies like [TS]

01:01:44   back through the ages I would do that I [TS]

01:01:46   would happily do that I would take a [TS]

01:01:48   gold medal out of a retired Olympians [TS]

01:01:51   hand and give it to the deserved winner [TS]

01:01:53   and I would feel good doing all right [TS]

01:01:55   right I would feel like I was writing an [TS]

01:01:57   injustice in the universe yeah they're [TS]

01:01:59   holding on to it with like their [TS]

01:02:00   decrepit old claw like no this is the [TS]

01:02:02   most meaningful thing I've ever done and [TS]

01:02:03   it's like no you didn't do it somebody [TS]

01:02:06   else did it [TS]

01:02:06   give me that trophy and hand it to the [TS]

01:02:08   actual winner and think about the joy in [TS]

01:02:10   the real winners eyes so I feel like [TS]

01:02:13   that person was a hero at home my little [TS]

01:02:15   asterisk is there's something that [TS]

01:02:16   sounds like the second to stroke penalty [TS]

01:02:18   sounds a bit like I don't understand the [TS]

01:02:20   interpretation of the rules here I [TS]

01:02:22   tiredly that one pisses me off more than [TS]

01:02:24   anything that one I feel like we need to [TS]

01:02:26   go to the rule book on that one I think [TS]

01:02:27   I could be persuaded that that is like [TS]

01:02:29   an overly harsh interpretation of how [TS]

01:02:31   this is supposed to happen [TS]

01:02:32   yeah because presumably that is like [TS]

01:02:34   knowingly signing a wrong card there is [TS]

01:02:38   something about that one that doesn't [TS]

01:02:39   quite sit right with me but if she [TS]

01:02:40   didn't put the ball back down where it [TS]

01:02:42   was supposed to go it's like hey this is [TS]

01:02:43   your job you're supposed to put the ball [TS]

01:02:45   back down in that spot and I don't even [TS]

01:02:47   have a problem with the fact that [TS]

01:02:48   they're being filmed more like I [TS]

01:02:50   obviously everyone should be filmed all [TS]

01:02:51   the time but if the leader is being [TS]

01:02:53   filmed more than someone in the behind [TS]

01:02:56   areas it's like well this is just like [TS]

01:02:58   the robber in Settlers of Catan right [TS]

01:03:01   it's like a Hubble the leader effect and [TS]

01:03:02   this is just what happens in this sport [TS]

01:03:04   okay I'm okay with all of this all right [TS]

01:03:07   I'm glad I brought it up I'm glad you've [TS]

01:03:09   cast a different light on the argument I [TS]

01:03:11   mean do you disagree though do you think [TS]

01:03:14   the tattle tale at home shouldn't have [TS]

01:03:15   called in they should have just kept it [TS]

01:03:17   - well I'm not saying they shouldn't [TS]

01:03:18   have called it you can't stop people [TS]

01:03:20   call again if they feel guilty for the [TS]

01:03:22   rest of their lives for not writing this [TS]

01:03:23   injustice but I do think is a wrong [TS]

01:03:26   decision I don't think like the [TS]

01:03:29   arbitrariness of people at home who [TS]

01:03:32   calls in and who doesn't the decisions [TS]

01:03:34   have to be made by the decision makers [TS]

01:03:35   and I don't think people at home should [TS]

01:03:37   be acting as chair referees I don't [TS]

01:03:41   think it's right I'm also fine with [TS]

01:03:43   having a rule that says at the end of [TS]

01:03:47   the day whatever happened becomes the [TS]

01:03:50   unchangeable score like you can make [TS]

01:03:52   that part of the sport and just have [TS]

01:03:53   that be set down like hey listen we're [TS]

01:03:55   not going to adjudicate this overtime so [TS]

01:03:57   that in 50 years CGP grey can come along [TS]

01:04:00   and steal gold medals away from our [TS]

01:04:01   winners and give them to other people [TS]

01:04:02   right you can make that part of the [TS]

01:04:04   process but it sounds like this wasn't [TS]

01:04:06   part of the process for the Masters I [TS]

01:04:08   mean I agree with like you know drug [TS]

01:04:09   cheats and things like that [TS]

01:04:10   losing medals ripped respectively but I [TS]

01:04:13   do think this was wrong and that extra [TS]

01:04:16   two shots for signing the incorrect [TS]

01:04:17   scorecard which even you seem to grasp [TS]

01:04:19   as being a bit weird did cost her the [TS]

01:04:21   tournament she would have won if it [TS]

01:04:23   wasn't for that even though anyway see I [TS]

01:04:26   thought I [TS]

01:04:27   one that was half interesting to you [TS]

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01:05:06   read more but also read differently so I [TS]

01:05:09   recently read a book that was a little [TS]

01:05:11   bit out of the normal kind of thing that [TS]

01:05:13   I would pick up but that I can highly [TS]

01:05:15   recommend and it's tribe by Sebastian [TS]

01:05:18   Junger he's the same guy who wrote a [TS]

01:05:20   perfect storm if you ever read that it's [TS]

01:05:23   a little bit of a difficult book to [TS]

01:05:24   describe but I can briefly say that it [TS]

01:05:26   is a little bit about people in war [TS]

01:05:29   particularly men in war and how that [TS]

01:05:32   affects them it talks about some of the [TS]

01:05:34   difficult things like why is it that [TS]

01:05:36   some soldiers really find solace in [TS]

01:05:39   being in a group in war and why they can [TS]

01:05:41   have difficulty reintegrating into [TS]

01:05:43   society afterwards that makes the book [TS]

01:05:46   sound like it's a huge downer but I [TS]

01:05:47   actually found it a fascinating non [TS]

01:05:50   downer read and it's also very short [TS]

01:05:53   which is the thing that I really [TS]

01:05:54   appreciate in books sometimes so if [TS]

01:05:56   you're looking for a book to try maybe [TS]

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01:06:29   hello Internet [TS]

01:06:30   alright so the next thing we're going to [TS]

01:06:33   try to talk about is the news coverage [TS]

01:06:36   that has surrounded YouTube advertising [TS]

01:06:38   and a subsequent boycott and all this [TS]

01:06:40   lot of stuff now gray and I have tried [TS]

01:06:44   to discuss this a couple of times before [TS]

01:06:45   one of them made it to the show but [TS]

01:06:47   we've also tried other times and we've [TS]

01:06:49   gotten a bit hot and bothered talking [TS]

01:06:51   about it because it always tends to veer [TS]

01:06:53   into a discussion about our conflicting [TS]

01:06:55   views on journalism and news coverage [TS]

01:06:57   and we've just thought that didn't go to [TS]

01:07:00   plan [TS]

01:07:00   and we've cut it from the show but we're [TS]

01:07:02   going to try again and we've also just [TS]

01:07:03   had a few conversations in person which [TS]

01:07:05   we were any good recording but like we [TS]

01:07:06   get caught in the vortex yeah of this [TS]

01:07:09   topic so if this conversation seems a [TS]

01:07:11   little strange listeners if it's made it [TS]

01:07:13   into the show just keep that in mind [TS]

01:07:14   this is like the fifth time [TS]

01:07:16   Brady and I are actually going to talk [TS]

01:07:18   about Fitz so go so I've tried something [TS]

01:07:22   a bit different because I can never make [TS]

01:07:25   my points and I sort of I get confused [TS]

01:07:28   and heated and then we start putting [TS]

01:07:30   each other off and going down rabbit [TS]

01:07:32   holes so I've done is I've written like [TS]

01:07:34   a statement or like an open letter I [TS]

01:07:37   think that's it I cannot believe that [TS]

01:07:39   you have done this I find this hilarious [TS]

01:07:41   but I also feel like if I had known that [TS]

01:07:43   you were really gonna write like an [TS]

01:07:45   opening statement I should have written [TS]

01:07:47   opening statement too right and now [TS]

01:07:49   suddenly we're in court and I feel like [TS]

01:07:51   I'm at a terrible disadvantage because [TS]

01:07:53   you were coming to the table with a [TS]

01:07:54   prepared statement and I feel like I'm [TS]

01:07:56   walking up to the bench like no your [TS]

01:07:58   honor I'm just defending myself [TS]

01:07:59   I have no preparations I've got no [TS]

01:08:01   papers with me and you're over there [TS]

01:08:03   with a team of lawyers right and you're [TS]

01:08:05   already you're like no we're gonna fight [TS]

01:08:07   this so yeah well if it's any [TS]

01:08:09   consolation great it's not like a [TS]

01:08:10   crafted document I did just [TS]

01:08:12   hunt-and-peck this an hour before the [TS]

01:08:13   show okay so it's a little bit rough [TS]

01:08:16   around the edges you would like to enter [TS]

01:08:18   a statement into the record yeah and the [TS]

01:08:21   reason is not because I want to have [TS]

01:08:23   another like argument about the media [TS]

01:08:26   but when we start talking about what [TS]

01:08:28   we're going to talk about which is you [TS]

01:08:31   know YouTube advertising and media [TS]

01:08:32   coverage around ER I have criticisms to [TS]

01:08:34   make of them of the media like yeah okay [TS]

01:08:36   but I don't want to have to keep like [TS]

01:08:38   adding little addendums or little [TS]

01:08:40   qualifications and professing I want [TS]

01:08:42   people to know where I stand about [TS]

01:08:44   journalism and how it's different to you [TS]

01:08:46   because I think most people know where [TS]

01:08:47   you stand I mean most Rauh know where I [TS]

01:08:48   stand - but you're setting up that [TS]

01:08:51   framing because also you don't want me [TS]

01:08:53   to respond to your [TS]

01:08:54   opening statement right you just want to [TS]

01:08:55   read it and then you wanna move right [TS]

01:08:57   along I just keep my mouth shut I'm [TS]

01:08:59   worried if you're too clever in your [TS]

01:09:01   response we're just gonna have the same [TS]

01:09:02   old arguments but anyway I'll read this [TS]

01:09:04   and then you say whatever you are and [TS]

01:09:05   then we'll talk about what we're going [TS]

01:09:07   to talk about it's a little bit long [TS]

01:09:08   sorry [TS]

01:09:09   go right ahead sir enter your statement [TS]

01:09:11   into the record here we go Laura's yours [TS]

01:09:13   dear CGP grey haha no I didn't write [TS]

01:09:17   that okay alright I was like you can't [TS]

01:09:19   expect me not to say something if you're [TS]

01:09:20   opening it with great addressing it to [TS]

01:09:22   me okay I didn't say that they just kind [TS]

01:09:23   of addressed to you but it's sort of [TS]

01:09:24   neutral okay I want to say a few things [TS]

01:09:27   about news and journalism before we get [TS]

01:09:30   lost in the weeds this is because as you [TS]

01:09:33   know I get a little frustrated by some [TS]

01:09:35   attitudes to news reporting I'll preface [TS]

01:09:38   all this by saying I'm aware we probably [TS]

01:09:41   agree on more things than we disagree on [TS]

01:09:43   and not everything I'm about to say [TS]

01:09:45   necessarily reflects your views it's [TS]

01:09:48   more general than that so please don't [TS]

01:09:50   think I'm putting words in your mouth [TS]

01:09:51   I'll also try not to use the word media [TS]

01:09:55   too often because that's so nebulous [TS]

01:09:58   that it seems to confuse matters I'll [TS]

01:09:59   opt instead for journalism and reporting [TS]

01:10:03   but let me start by making mention of my [TS]

01:10:06   nephew he's 19 years old he's a good lad [TS]

01:10:08   but he has never read a book not one he [TS]

01:10:12   claims he thinks they're boring and [TS]

01:10:14   reckons he can get everything he needs [TS]

01:10:16   from other sources mainly YouTube and [TS]

01:10:19   snapchat it seems I can understand this [TS]

01:10:22   why would anyone do anything they find [TS]

01:10:24   boring I guess I could argue that [TS]

01:10:26   exercise is boring eating healthy [TS]

01:10:29   vegetables is boring that we do some [TS]

01:10:31   things for our own well-being that [TS]

01:10:33   reading a book could be the intellectual [TS]

01:10:35   equivalent of a session at the gym but [TS]

01:10:38   as I'm someone who doesn't eat very [TS]

01:10:39   healthily or exercise enough that might [TS]

01:10:41   be a bit rich and it does sound kind of [TS]

01:10:43   lame anyway so why do I even mention my [TS]

01:10:46   nephews refusal to read books because [TS]

01:10:48   the emotion it incites in me is so [TS]

01:10:51   similar to the emotion I feel about [TS]

01:10:53   people who willfully ignore the news [TS]

01:10:55   while their reasons and motives are [TS]

01:10:58   different I think this kind of willful [TS]

01:11:00   ignorance and an accompanying [TS]

01:11:02   broad-brush generalization that so often [TS]

01:11:05   goes with it really frustrates me [TS]

01:11:07   so let's deal with the reasons I think [TS]

01:11:09   we should pay at least some attention to [TS]

01:11:12   news to journalism to reporting on [TS]

01:11:14   events that are happening in our [TS]

01:11:16   communities and the wider world [TS]

01:11:17   the first reason I think is just being a [TS]

01:11:21   good caring empathetic citizen most of [TS]

01:11:25   us live on a road or community with a [TS]

01:11:27   few dozen people a city or a town with [TS]

01:11:30   hundreds of thousands of other people a [TS]

01:11:31   planet with seven billion other people [TS]

01:11:34   now you may not be directly affected by [TS]

01:11:37   their hardships their struggles the [TS]

01:11:39   events in their lives but I think it is [TS]

01:11:41   part of the human experience to know [TS]

01:11:43   about and share some of this yes it can [TS]

01:11:46   be overwhelming and we can't possibly [TS]

01:11:48   take it all in but slamming the door on [TS]

01:11:50   their plots because we don't care or it [TS]

01:11:53   makes us feel bad while we're eating our [TS]

01:11:54   evening dinner is a sad state of affairs [TS]

01:11:57   I really think this is the most [TS]

01:12:00   important reason of all to have some [TS]

01:12:02   awareness of news because there are [TS]

01:12:03   fellow men and women and we should care [TS]

01:12:05   about them we should care about what [TS]

01:12:07   they care about [TS]

01:12:08   I think it's selfish and it's not the [TS]

01:12:10   kind of person I want to be to only care [TS]

01:12:13   about things that directly affect me by [TS]

01:12:16   the way and I guess this applies to [TS]

01:12:17   people who are a bit more social but I [TS]

01:12:19   also think it's just good practice to [TS]

01:12:21   know about the two or three biggest [TS]

01:12:22   things that are going on at a given time [TS]

01:12:24   just for like social reasons just to [TS]

01:12:27   show you're a person who's aware of the [TS]

01:12:28   bigger picture in your town or your [TS]

01:12:30   country or on the planet just so you're [TS]

01:12:32   not the guy or the girl the watercooler [TS]

01:12:34   who doesn't know that London Bridge is [TS]

01:12:36   falling down but another more important [TS]

01:12:38   reason I think we need to pay attention [TS]

01:12:40   to journalism is because a well informed [TS]

01:12:42   citizenry is pretty important to the way [TS]

01:12:44   people in power can exploit us knowing [TS]

01:12:47   what governments are doing what [TS]

01:12:49   political leaders are doing what courts [TS]

01:12:51   are doing what the police are doing what [TS]

01:12:53   big business is doing the Fourth Estate [TS]

01:12:55   our reporters play a key role in this [TS]

01:12:58   accountability public opinion is very [TS]

01:13:01   important to people in power whether [TS]

01:13:02   it's polls elections or consumer habits [TS]

01:13:05   and I think it's important that public [TS]

01:13:07   opinion is based on factual information [TS]

01:13:08   not misinformation or no information [TS]

01:13:12   where that factual information will come [TS]

01:13:14   from if not from journalists is [TS]

01:13:16   something I don't know it certainly [TS]

01:13:18   won't come from the governments and [TS]

01:13:19   businesses themselves [TS]

01:13:21   and I can't see anything in the world of [TS]

01:13:23   social media taking the place of [TS]

01:13:25   old-fashioned journalism if anything [TS]

01:13:27   much of what I see happening on social [TS]

01:13:29   media seems to be a step in the wrong [TS]

01:13:30   direction now clearly this is where [TS]

01:13:33   someone listening might be thinking well [TS]

01:13:35   journalists hardly do a good job [TS]

01:13:37   providing useful or factual information [TS]

01:13:38   and yes I was once a traditional [TS]

01:13:42   newspaper and TV journalists and have [TS]

01:13:43   some skin in this game but I think this [TS]

01:13:46   blanket dismissal of journalists and [TS]

01:13:48   large media organizations is silly just [TS]

01:13:51   as silly as my nephew arguing that all [TS]

01:13:53   books are boring or saying that all [TS]

01:13:54   YouTube videos are frivolous or all [TS]

01:13:57   politicians are corrupt etc etc yes [TS]

01:14:00   there are bad journalists and bad media [TS]

01:14:02   organizations citing the examples of [TS]

01:14:04   certain rolling news channels or some of [TS]

01:14:07   Britain's scummiest tabloid newspapers [TS]

01:14:09   are easy pickings but there are also a [TS]

01:14:11   lot of good journalists a lot of good [TS]

01:14:13   newspapers good news websites good TV [TS]

01:14:16   news programs yes even the good ones [TS]

01:14:19   have their faults and they should be [TS]

01:14:21   held to account for their misdeeds but [TS]

01:14:23   this dismissal of journalism because of [TS]

01:14:25   those easy targets is well lazy now I'm [TS]

01:14:29   not saying that we all have the same [TS]

01:14:31   appetite for news that we should all sit [TS]

01:14:33   around and consume news for hours each [TS]

01:14:34   day I'd even argue that my own news [TS]

01:14:37   appetite is quite low much of the time I [TS]

01:14:39   really only skim a newspaper for 5 to 10 [TS]

01:14:42   minutes over my breakfast and maybe dip [TS]

01:14:44   into a website in a quiet moment just to [TS]

01:14:46   see what the few top stories are I'm [TS]

01:14:49   also not recommending what sources of [TS]

01:14:50   news and individuals should use everyone [TS]

01:14:52   has their own preferences trusted [TS]

01:14:54   sources and stylistic preferences but I [TS]

01:14:57   think a willful decision to avoid news [TS]

01:14:59   is unhealthy [TS]

01:15:00   it's a fast-tracked uninformed citizens [TS]

01:15:03   who care about no one but themselves and [TS]

01:15:05   see the world only through the prism of [TS]

01:15:07   the Select people they've decided to [TS]

01:15:09   follow on Twitter and Facebook or which [TS]

01:15:11   subreddit silos they've decided suit [TS]

01:15:13   them best it results in public opinions [TS]

01:15:16   and beliefs maybe even elections being [TS]

01:15:19   decided by people who are ignorant [TS]

01:15:21   now journalists are easy punching bags [TS]

01:15:23   like politicians I guess and they do not [TS]

01:15:25   deserve a free pass there are some very [TS]

01:15:27   good ones some very bad ones and lots of [TS]

01:15:30   just average ones they're also employed [TS]

01:15:33   by organizations with conflicted in [TS]

01:15:35   interests barrows to push this can color [TS]

01:15:37   their coverage from time to time and we [TS]

01:15:39   need to see this I've certainly picked [TS]

01:15:41   on journalists plenty of times here in [TS]

01:15:43   hello Internet there are frequent source [TS]

01:15:44   of my paper cuts but I think the role of [TS]

01:15:47   the Fourth Estate is important ignoring [TS]

01:15:50   them to the point of extinction is a sad [TS]

01:15:52   situation and I don't know what the [TS]

01:15:54   world will look like without a free [TS]

01:15:55   media my last point is this and I can [TS]

01:15:59   never expect someone like you gray to [TS]

01:16:01   change your mind and suddenly become [TS]

01:16:03   someone who consumes news anymore than I [TS]

01:16:05   can expect my nephew to suddenly start [TS]

01:16:07   reading books or me to start eating [TS]

01:16:09   salads but influential people dismissing [TS]

01:16:12   the merits of the press even indirectly [TS]

01:16:14   by being a little too proud of an [TS]

01:16:16   information light diet worries me we now [TS]

01:16:19   live in a world where numerous people in [TS]

01:16:21   positions of power have made it their [TS]

01:16:23   modus operandi to discredit and [TS]

01:16:25   undermine trust in the media because [TS]

01:16:27   this suits their own agendas it's [TS]

01:16:29   reached almost farcical proportions the [TS]

01:16:32   way some people assume every utterance [TS]

01:16:34   on TV or every word in the newspaper is [TS]

01:16:36   a lie journalism is certainly at a [TS]

01:16:39   crossroads and it's a messy problem [TS]

01:16:41   involving changing technology shifts and [TS]

01:16:43   advertising and a strange political [TS]

01:16:45   climate at the moment I don't think it's [TS]

01:16:48   necessarily our job to advocate [TS]

01:16:50   subsidized or save journalism it has [TS]

01:16:53   evolved as a business and maybe that's [TS]

01:16:54   how it would die but I do feel like [TS]

01:16:57   there's a little more to the role of [TS]

01:16:58   journalists than just filling the gaps [TS]

01:17:00   between advertising and as my buddy here [TS]

01:17:02   on the podcast is known for being a [TS]

01:17:04   little disparaging towards the media I [TS]

01:17:06   wanted to have my say too to say that I [TS]

01:17:09   think it's a good thing anyway now I've [TS]

01:17:11   said all this I would like to get on [TS]

01:17:13   with the show and give a kicking to The [TS]

01:17:15   Times of London your opening statement [TS]

01:17:18   has been entered into the record reading [TS]

01:17:19   obviously there are many points that I [TS]

01:17:23   would choose to disagree with of course [TS]

01:17:25   but I was intentionally keeping my hands [TS]

01:17:27   out the keyboard and not making a [TS]

01:17:29   point-by-point analysis or noting the [TS]

01:17:32   points where I feel like you're [TS]

01:17:33   conflating two different issues I will [TS]

01:17:35   ask you one question which you might not [TS]

01:17:37   want to answer okay but I'm sort of [TS]

01:17:39   curious about with regards to that [TS]

01:17:41   statement let's say a listener to the [TS]

01:17:43   podcast had at some point followed my [TS]

01:17:48   advice [TS]

01:17:49   and had stopped following the news and [TS]

01:17:52   was moved by your opening statements to [TS]

01:17:56   come back into the world of news hmm [TS]

01:17:59   where do you think they should start [TS]

01:18:04   with that because I do find it [TS]

01:18:07   interesting that you don't want to [TS]

01:18:09   mention any particular source and I can [TS]

01:18:11   understand very many reasons why you [TS]

01:18:14   might not want to do that yeah but I [TS]

01:18:17   feel like that comes to a particular [TS]

01:18:19   feeling that I have sometimes of where [TS]

01:18:23   do you think they should go if they are [TS]

01:18:27   moved by your statement yeah I mean the [TS]

01:18:29   reason that I would answer that is [TS]

01:18:31   because I don't want to get into that [TS]

01:18:32   kind of mix in a way I think it's [TS]

01:18:34   different for everyone I would say there [TS]

01:18:37   are certain newspapers I guess that some [TS]

01:18:39   people refer to as papers of record [TS]

01:18:41   which of newspapers which supposedly are [TS]

01:18:43   a little bit less politically biased [TS]

01:18:45   which are hard to find in the UK but you [TS]

01:18:48   know that they're around so I would say [TS]

01:18:49   maybe you know newspapers are websites [TS]

01:18:52   that have less of a political agenda I [TS]

01:18:55   guess is one thing I could maybe suggest [TS]

01:18:58   but I think there are lots of options I [TS]

01:19:01   don't want to start recommending it [TS]

01:19:02   because I think this is what we do we'll [TS]

01:19:03   get lost in the weeds and we can find [TS]

01:19:06   examples of where people have much [TS]

01:19:07   things up and I think people need to [TS]

01:19:09   find their own way and their own sources [TS]

01:19:11   I'm genuinely I am not trying to trick [TS]

01:19:14   you here I know you know I'm not trying [TS]

01:19:15   to get you to name a name and then up [TS]

01:19:17   and then I'll point to a story that I [TS]

01:19:18   thought was terrible that they did yeah [TS]

01:19:20   what I'm trying to get at here is that I [TS]

01:19:22   think this is a vastly more difficult [TS]

01:19:26   task than it sounds when you say [TS]

01:19:29   something like oh people should read a [TS]

01:19:31   newspaper of record because for someone [TS]

01:19:34   like me like that doesn't necessarily [TS]

01:19:35   mean anything like I don't know which [TS]

01:19:37   papers you you mean by that [TS]

01:19:39   and again I understand why you don't [TS]

01:19:42   want to recommend something in [TS]

01:19:43   particular I'm imagining someone who may [TS]

01:19:47   have taken my advice in the past to [TS]

01:19:48   disengage from the news cycle who was [TS]

01:19:50   looking for a reentry point and I just [TS]

01:19:52   wanted to know if you had a particular [TS]

01:19:53   place that you would recommend that they [TS]

01:19:55   start I have an answer for than if you [TS]

01:19:57   don't want to give one I'm just curious [TS]

01:19:59   as to your feelings on that [TS]

01:20:01   I feel like I don't want to have that [TS]

01:20:02   discussion today on it which is a nice [TS]

01:20:04   bit of a cop-out I feel like you know [TS]

01:20:05   you gave me a lot latitude you let me [TS]

01:20:07   have my say and you didn't slap down [TS]

01:20:09   things you disagree with and for me to [TS]

01:20:11   now like go further and start going into [TS]

01:20:13   the weeds that I was trying to avoid [TS]

01:20:14   would be a bad idea but I do think you [TS]

01:20:17   should tell people what your advice is [TS]

01:20:18   no people are gonna know right I'm gonna [TS]

01:20:20   recommend they read The Economist right [TS]

01:20:22   because when we had a now long ago [TS]

01:20:25   deleted conversation the news yeah I [TS]

01:20:29   don't really follow the news but we do [TS]

01:20:31   have a subscription to The Economist in [TS]

01:20:32   my house and as I've mentioned before my [TS]

01:20:34   wife reads The Economist and she often [TS]

01:20:35   recommends articles to me out of it yeah [TS]

01:20:37   and I did on a couple of Sundays just [TS]

01:20:39   make an effort to say like oh I'm gonna [TS]

01:20:40   just read The Economist again just a [TS]

01:20:43   little bit more than I normally would [TS]

01:20:44   just picking it up and going through and [TS]

01:20:46   and it can just reconfirm to me that [TS]

01:20:47   like as a person who does not have [TS]

01:20:50   interest in following the news who would [TS]

01:20:54   argue that on an individual basis it [TS]

01:20:55   might not be the best thing for a person [TS]

01:20:57   to do I do think that the Economist is a [TS]

01:20:59   pretty great job of reporting on stuff [TS]

01:21:02   in a way that is accessible for someone [TS]

01:21:06   who doesn't necessarily have background [TS]

01:21:08   information I think I've mentioned [TS]

01:21:10   previous on the podcast but one thing I [TS]

01:21:11   do love is their style guide is to [TS]

01:21:14   always write articles assuming that a [TS]

01:21:16   person has essentially no background so [TS]

01:21:18   they always explain what everything is [TS]

01:21:19   you never feel like you're lost and I [TS]

01:21:21   feel like they do a pretty good job of [TS]

01:21:22   hitting things down the middle and in my [TS]

01:21:25   own research anyway I have yet to come [TS]

01:21:26   across any major howlers in the [TS]

01:21:29   Economist in the way they report things [TS]

01:21:31   unlike just about every other place I've [TS]

01:21:33   ever gone where it's like oh this really [TS]

01:21:35   interesting story when you dig into it [TS]

01:21:36   turns out to be entirely misrepresented [TS]

01:21:39   so if people are looking for a place to [TS]

01:21:41   enter the news I would recommend the [TS]

01:21:43   economists use offer code gray for no [TS]

01:21:46   discount at all because this isn't an ad [TS]

01:21:48   but you know telling gray sent you so [TS]

01:21:52   let's talk about the actual issue at [TS]

01:21:54   hand yeah so what we want to talk about [TS]

01:21:56   is this ongoing brouhaha that is related [TS]

01:22:00   to the news and is related to youtube [TS]

01:22:02   and advertising which was I think [TS]

01:22:05   started by the very article that you [TS]

01:22:08   first brought up on the podcast a couple [TS]

01:22:10   episodes ago which I foreshadowed is [TS]

01:22:12   becoming a big deal yeah [TS]

01:22:14   which is in the times was it yeah the [TS]

01:22:16   Times of London Times of London yeah no [TS]

01:22:18   I do just want to enter it on the record [TS]

01:22:20   that I had not read that article when we [TS]

01:22:22   were discussing it on the podcast it was [TS]

01:22:24   a bit of a surprise to me so I hadn't [TS]

01:22:26   gone through it and I think that [TS]

01:22:28   slightly coloured the conversation that [TS]

01:22:30   we had because I would have been vastly [TS]

01:22:33   more angry had I actually read it [TS]

01:22:35   because I think that article is a [TS]

01:22:36   perfect example of how news stories I [TS]

01:22:39   think sometimes intentionally [TS]

01:22:42   misrepresent situations but anyway [TS]

01:22:45   putting that aside so we don't get [TS]

01:22:46   sucked into the weeds hmm [TS]

01:22:48   The Times did an article describing how [TS]

01:22:51   on YouTube there are advertisements that [TS]

01:22:55   are shown against extremist content and [TS]

01:22:58   this has since snowballed into what I [TS]

01:23:03   think we can fairly described as a very [TS]

01:23:05   big problem [TS]

01:23:06   for YouTube there have been advertisers [TS]

01:23:10   big brand advertisers that have pulled [TS]

01:23:12   out from advertising on YouTube lots of [TS]

01:23:15   people can see it in the data event ad [TS]

01:23:17   rates on YouTube have gone down this is [TS]

01:23:19   actually something that I can see [TS]

01:23:21   directly in my own channel and on my own [TS]

01:23:23   video the most recent one that I put up [TS]

01:23:25   is at about 20 percent of the rate that [TS]

01:23:28   I would expect it to be under normal [TS]

01:23:29   circumstances some entire channels have [TS]

01:23:32   been demonetised or very close to being [TS]

01:23:36   demonetised for having advertiser [TS]

01:23:37   unfriendly content this has turned into [TS]

01:23:40   a very big brouhaha that YouTube seems [TS]

01:23:45   to be having a hard time getting out [TS]

01:23:47   from under and the newspapers seem to [TS]

01:23:51   keep liking to report on that sort of [TS]

01:23:54   this the state of the situation right [TS]

01:23:56   now would you say yes I think that's a [TS]

01:23:58   pretty fair summary okay I guess my more [TS]

01:24:03   emotional reaction to this and my [TS]

01:24:06   feeling about it is I am infuriated with [TS]

01:24:09   this whole topic because I view this as [TS]

01:24:11   a self-serving storm that the [TS]

01:24:15   traditional news industry is cooking up [TS]

01:24:18   that works tremendously in their favor [TS]

01:24:21   and that is essentially a total non [TS]

01:24:24   problem on YouTube [TS]

01:24:26   but that they can use to constantly hit [TS]

01:24:30   and berate YouTube over like the [TS]

01:24:33   question of the massive amount of [TS]

01:24:35   content that is uploaded to YouTube [TS]

01:24:37   there is always going to be something [TS]

01:24:39   that someone is able to point to as [TS]

01:24:42   objectionable that YouTube will not be [TS]

01:24:45   able to remove immediately I view this [TS]

01:24:47   as a kind of problem that is just [TS]

01:24:50   intrinsic to the medium and is never [TS]

01:24:53   going to go away but the scale of the [TS]

01:24:58   problem is never reported in these [TS]

01:24:59   stories so all of the examples I ever [TS]

01:25:02   see are examples on videos with very low [TS]

01:25:06   view numbers on channels that are [TS]

01:25:08   essentially not watched and these are [TS]

01:25:10   brought up as examples of oh look how [TS]

01:25:13   big companies like Pepsi are funding [TS]

01:25:15   terrorism through YouTube and there's [TS]

01:25:17   never any context of scale given to this [TS]

01:25:20   that's my frustration is when I when I [TS]

01:25:22   see these things it seems very much like [TS]

01:25:24   these stories are not intended to be [TS]

01:25:27   vehicles to well inform the public of [TS]

01:25:30   how the YouTube advertising system works [TS]

01:25:33   and how this process is happening and [TS]

01:25:36   how an advertisement might end up in [TS]

01:25:38   front of a video that it doesn't want to [TS]

01:25:40   be in front of there's no elucidation of [TS]

01:25:42   this it's just entirely presented as [TS]

01:25:45   like YouTube is facilitating the funding [TS]

01:25:47   of terrorism with big brand money and I [TS]

01:25:51   find that incredibly frustrating it is [TS]

01:25:53   frankly causing needless economic harm [TS]

01:25:58   irresponsibly I do you want me to start [TS]

01:26:00   with the parts where I disagree with you [TS]

01:26:02   or the parts where I agree with you [TS]

01:26:04   you start wherever you want man well [TS]

01:26:07   let's get the disagreements out of the [TS]

01:26:09   way I guess mmm first of all let's admit [TS]

01:26:12   we have a big conflict of interest here [TS]

01:26:14   you just said yourself you know we're [TS]

01:26:16   very affected by this so we need to bear [TS]

01:26:19   that in mind you know this is hitting us [TS]

01:26:21   in the hip pocket and obviously the [TS]

01:26:24   conflict of interest for the newspapers [TS]

01:26:26   starting with The Times which is owned [TS]

01:26:28   by Rupert Murdoch and you know it's been [TS]

01:26:31   picked up by lots of other papers now [TS]

01:26:32   who I think have seen the opportunity [TS]

01:26:33   this conflict is massive mm-hmm and I'm [TS]

01:26:37   finding it rather tiresome they flogged [TS]

01:26:39   the dead whore [TS]

01:26:40   way too hard to the point where I'm [TS]

01:26:42   thinking come on enough enough and also [TS]

01:26:45   I don't know you probably don't realize [TS]

01:26:46   this but in recent days it's now [TS]

01:26:48   switched to Facebook they've said gosh [TS]

01:26:50   that worked better than we thought and [TS]

01:26:51   now they're targeting Facebook and [TS]

01:26:53   they're looking for examples of you know [TS]

01:26:54   pedophiles on Facebook and all this [TS]

01:26:56   other stuff so that's really funny I [TS]

01:26:57   feel like shock surprise there because [TS]

01:26:59   it's like Google and Facebook or [TS]

01:27:01   something like 80 percent of all the [TS]

01:27:03   advertising money spent on the Internet [TS]

01:27:05   are spent on those two websites yeah I [TS]

01:27:07   was like oh you turned your attention to [TS]

01:27:08   Facebook yeah color me shocked nice oh [TS]

01:27:11   I'm a little jaded and cynical about it [TS]

01:27:14   hmm [TS]

01:27:15   and I'm also rather jaded and cynical by [TS]

01:27:18   how they keep referring to these [TS]

01:27:20   investigations they're doing I don't I [TS]

01:27:23   don't think they have done like an [TS]

01:27:24   undercover investigation [TS]

01:27:25   they probably used Google ironically but [TS]

01:27:27   they've just basically searched for [TS]

01:27:29   extremist content I mean anyone can do [TS]

01:27:31   this like this is not an investigation [TS]

01:27:32   they've just like done something that [TS]

01:27:34   any five-year-old could do in ten [TS]

01:27:37   minutes yes so like digging themselves [TS]

01:27:39   up as these like people who have [TS]

01:27:41   uncovered some mystery frustrates me [TS]

01:27:44   somewhat and the reporting of it because [TS]

01:27:47   it's an area I know quite well and you [TS]

01:27:49   know quite well some of the reporting of [TS]

01:27:51   it has been not as thorough accurate as [TS]

01:27:54   it could have been so I'm quite upset by [TS]

01:27:56   the generous description but I think [TS]

01:27:59   some of the things you're arguing about [TS]

01:28:01   and some of the things that are [TS]

01:28:02   upsetting you not the point and I think [TS]

01:28:07   you're kind of getting lost in the [TS]

01:28:11   minutiae of the details and ignoring the [TS]

01:28:14   problem that does exist if I can go off [TS]

01:28:16   on a tangent for a second this is what [TS]

01:28:18   you remind me of at the moment there's [TS]

01:28:20   an episode of the TV show The Office the [TS]

01:28:22   British office in which there's a pub [TS]

01:28:24   quiz that goes to a tiebreaker mm-hmm [TS]

01:28:26   the two guys have to stand on stage [TS]

01:28:27   opposite each other and they have to say [TS]

01:28:29   the answer first whichever one of you [TS]

01:28:31   says the answer first wins yeah and it [TS]

01:28:33   says a quote from Shakespeare and one [TS]

01:28:35   guy says that and gets it wrong but then [TS]

01:28:37   he just keeps naming play after play [TS]

01:28:38   after play trying to get it right and he [TS]

01:28:40   he keeps getting it wrong and eventually [TS]

01:28:42   the other guy says the right answer and [TS]

01:28:43   he wins and then for the next couple of [TS]

01:28:47   minutes the guy who was saying answer [TS]

01:28:50   after answer and got told off for saying [TS]

01:28:52   too many plays gets into this big [TS]

01:28:54   argument with the quizmaster about you [TS]

01:28:56   never said I could only say one so [TS]

01:28:58   that's why I was saying lots and lots so [TS]

01:28:59   I didn't break the rules no rules were [TS]

01:29:01   broken you know you never said that and [TS]

01:29:03   he's ignoring the fact he never even [TS]

01:29:04   said the right answer mm-hmm and it's oh [TS]

01:29:07   it doesn't matter anyway and he's so [TS]

01:29:08   busy arguing over the minutiae of the [TS]

01:29:10   rules Rose ignoring the fact he didn't [TS]

01:29:12   know the answer then he lost the quiz [TS]

01:29:14   anyway hmm and I feel a bit like you're [TS]

01:29:16   that guy you're so busy worrying about [TS]

01:29:19   the fact that they gave the wrong number [TS]

01:29:22   for the amount of money or they didn't [TS]

01:29:25   explain very clearly how the advertising [TS]

01:29:28   algorithm works and that you're kind of [TS]

01:29:30   ignoring the fact that money that once [TS]

01:29:33   belongs to a company is ending up in the [TS]

01:29:36   pocket of people who've uploaded [TS]

01:29:38   inappropriate content to YouTube that's [TS]

01:29:40   the problem and how it happened and [TS]

01:29:42   whether it flowed through an auction [TS]

01:29:44   system or whether Joe Bloggs knew that [TS]

01:29:47   the money was going to end up here or [TS]

01:29:48   not and whose fault was it and whether [TS]

01:29:50   it was a bot or a human mm-hmm that [TS]

01:29:52   isn't really the argument here the [TS]

01:29:53   argument is there was money that once [TS]

01:29:55   belongs to Pepsi to use your example and [TS]

01:29:57   now that's in the pocket of someone who [TS]

01:29:59   puts something deeply wrong on the [TS]

01:30:02   internet and they've been rewarded for [TS]

01:30:04   it with money that once belonged to [TS]

01:30:06   Pepsi and that's what's upsetting Pepsi [TS]

01:30:08   yeah oh yeah so I saw you uploaded your [TS]

01:30:10   video about how YouTube auctions works I [TS]

01:30:13   mean it could be a coincidence but I [TS]

01:30:15   feel like you must have been motivated [TS]

01:30:17   or sped up by this recent controversy [TS]

01:30:19   you felt like this was something that [TS]

01:30:20   needed to be explained more clearly oh [TS]

01:30:22   yeah that was a video uploaded in anger [TS]

01:30:24   yeah and you did a good job of [TS]

01:30:25   explaining how the system works you know [TS]

01:30:27   well done it was a really nice video but [TS]

01:30:29   I think it's completely irrelevant to [TS]

01:30:31   this 2-bay and it changes nothing [TS]

01:30:33   well yeah I didn't really want to talk [TS]

01:30:35   about this debate I wanted to talk about [TS]

01:30:37   a thing that I think is important which [TS]

01:30:38   is the understanding that humans are not [TS]

01:30:40   assigning these ads and I also just want [TS]

01:30:43   to just agree emphasized there's an [TS]

01:30:45   enormous amount of content but no I made [TS]

01:30:47   that video because I've as with all my [TS]

01:30:49   videos I feel like I want this to last [TS]

01:30:50   beyond this particular debate right [TS]

01:30:53   which will go away eventually of course [TS]

01:30:55   but I think it's completely irrelevant [TS]

01:30:57   that like humans don't do it YouTube are [TS]

01:31:01   the enablers googler the enablers well [TS]

01:31:02   they've done it with an algorithm or 400 [TS]

01:31:05   people in a call center in chow [TS]

01:31:07   however they've done it they've created [TS]

01:31:09   the system that advertisers put money [TS]

01:31:13   into the big black box no but doesn't [TS]

01:31:15   matter what happens in the black box and [TS]

01:31:16   then the money ends up in people's [TS]

01:31:18   pockets whether it's your pocket my [TS]

01:31:20   pocket or some crazy person who's [TS]

01:31:22   uploading hate speech and how to make [TS]

01:31:24   bombs and stuff right this is the [TS]

01:31:26   problem and like if the extent of the [TS]

01:31:29   problems being exaggerated that is an [TS]

01:31:31   issue don't get me wrong but I do think [TS]

01:31:33   a problem exists I've always thought [TS]

01:31:35   it's a problem just like I think it's a [TS]

01:31:37   problem that freebooters get money you [TS]

01:31:39   know do you remember [TS]

01:31:40   I've said this a couple of times I've [TS]

01:31:42   even said it on the podcast that I think [TS]

01:31:44   the best way to get freebooting dealt [TS]

01:31:46   with would be to get in the advertisers [TS]

01:31:48   ears and say to them did you know that [TS]

01:31:50   your advertising on stolen content [TS]

01:31:51   mm-hmm this is exactly what's happened [TS]

01:31:54   the times have gotten in the ears via [TS]

01:31:57   the power of their newspaper and their [TS]

01:31:58   influence have gotten in the ears of the [TS]

01:32:00   advertisers and said do you know that [TS]

01:32:02   your money says some of your money's [TS]

01:32:03   ending up here now they've done it with [TS]

01:32:05   what I think somewhat disingenuous [TS]

01:32:07   motive mm-hmm but that's exactly what's [TS]

01:32:10   happened and YouTube have been caught [TS]

01:32:14   doing the wrong thing yes like then yeah [TS]

01:32:17   but had to act [TS]

01:32:18   they've been penalized for I know it's [TS]

01:32:20   been skewed you can go ahead and explain [TS]

01:32:22   how it's been skewed but I think they [TS]

01:32:23   have done the wrong thing they have to [TS]

01:32:26   act and they are acting yeah but yeah [TS]

01:32:28   like I have to fundamentally disagree [TS]

01:32:29   with your description thereof YouTube [TS]

01:32:31   has done the wrong thing right I don't [TS]

01:32:35   think that is a fair description of what [TS]

01:32:38   is occurring because what you're asking [TS]

01:32:41   for is a perfect system that has to deal [TS]

01:32:44   with essentially an infinite amount of [TS]

01:32:46   content yeah but you're giving them a [TS]

01:32:48   leave pass for that reason you're saying [TS]

01:32:49   because it's hard and because it's big [TS]

01:32:51   we've done enough I don't think they [TS]

01:32:53   have done enough this is our fundamental [TS]

01:32:55   disagreement because I do think and the [TS]

01:32:57   reason why the way all of the new [TS]

01:33:00   stories have reported on YouTube [TS]

01:33:01   frustrates me is because I think that [TS]

01:33:05   you have to report on the Internet as a [TS]

01:33:09   different thing like this is not a TV [TS]

01:33:12   schedule this is not advertising against [TS]

01:33:15   known content this is algorithmically [TS]

01:33:18   matching your advertisement [TS]

01:33:21   - what algorithms think the content is [TS]

01:33:24   yeah that's what advertising on the [TS]

01:33:26   Internet is and I think if you ignore [TS]

01:33:30   that if you want to ignore the [TS]

01:33:32   fundamental way that the internet works [TS]

01:33:34   and then hold the company Google [TS]

01:33:37   responsible as though they're putting [TS]

01:33:39   ads on an episode of Seinfeld where you [TS]

01:33:41   know what it is hold them to the same [TS]

01:33:43   standard of like oh we didn't air [TS]

01:33:46   Seinfeld that evening we actually aired [TS]

01:33:48   a terrorist recruiting video and we just [TS]

01:33:50   left all the ads in and hold them to [TS]

01:33:51   that kind of standard like I don't think [TS]

01:33:53   that that's a fair assessment that's why [TS]

01:33:56   I think it is an important part of this [TS]

01:33:59   story how does the internet work but all [TS]

01:34:03   of the newspapers are reporting upon [TS]

01:34:05   Google and a presumably now Facebook yet [TS]

01:34:08   I'm no friend of Facebook but you can't [TS]

01:34:10   report on them like they're just a [TS]

01:34:12   bigger newspaper it's a fundamentally [TS]

01:34:16   different kind of thing and I think what [TS]

01:34:19   makes the internet different is what [TS]

01:34:22   really matters in this story and to [TS]

01:34:24   ignore that is irresponsible this is [TS]

01:34:27   where we fundamentally disagree but this [TS]

01:34:29   is kind of where I think you're the guy [TS]

01:34:32   debating after the pub quiz all that [TS]

01:34:34   matters is that Pepsi saw their [TS]

01:34:37   advertisement that they paid for next to [TS]

01:34:40   Bob the bombers video and like that's [TS]

01:34:43   happened yep and YouTube took the money [TS]

01:34:45   they took the money and when they took [TS]

01:34:47   the money they knew they weren't [TS]

01:34:48   supposed to put it next to Bob the [TS]

01:34:50   bomber they knew that even the way [TS]

01:34:52   you're describing it though like is [TS]

01:34:53   implying a kind of intent like oh well [TS]

01:34:56   hahaha we're taking Pepsi's money and [TS]

01:34:58   we're gonna put it against this [TS]

01:34:59   terrorist video okay let's not call it [TS]

01:35:00   intent let's call it negligence [TS]

01:35:02   negligence is also not a word that I can [TS]

01:35:04   agree with and right I was just winding [TS]

01:35:06   you up but you're doing what I think [TS]

01:35:08   exactly the newspapers are doing right [TS]

01:35:10   they'll write a word like negligent all [TS]

01:35:12   right and then you're implying a certain [TS]

01:35:14   kind of thing I get super interesting [TS]

01:35:17   because I wanted to check that right [TS]

01:35:18   after this had happened I actually [TS]

01:35:19   bought a bunch of ads from my own [TS]

01:35:21   YouTube channel on YouTube because I [TS]

01:35:24   just wanted to quickly see how the [TS]

01:35:25   system was like after we had that first [TS]

01:35:26   conversation yeah [TS]

01:35:28   just as I had remembered when I tried [TS]

01:35:29   this years and years ago as with other [TS]

01:35:31   stuff like [TS]

01:35:32   the amount of options and preferences [TS]

01:35:34   they give you to try to target your ad [TS]

01:35:36   to exactly who you want and the number [TS]

01:35:38   of check boxes that you can tick for all [TS]

01:35:40   the kinds of things that you want to try [TS]

01:35:42   to have your ad not be shown against [TS]

01:35:43   it's enormous [TS]

01:35:44   like I've always like they have an [TS]

01:35:46   incentive kind of stuff is that oh they [TS]

01:35:48   have all of this like inappropriate [TS]

01:35:50   content but they also have things like [TS]

01:35:51   gambling like they have a bunch of [TS]

01:35:53   related kinds of things that you might [TS]

01:35:55   not want your ads to run against this [TS]

01:35:58   writer they have like mild violence they [TS]

01:36:00   have a whole bunch of categories that [TS]

01:36:01   you can specify you don't want your ads [TS]

01:36:04   to run against and there's no reason [TS]

01:36:06   that they'd be like negligent where it's [TS]

01:36:08   like ah ha ha we'll just have them take [TS]

01:36:10   a bunch of these boxes and we won't do [TS]

01:36:11   anything on the other end like it is in [TS]

01:36:13   YouTube's direct financial interest to [TS]

01:36:18   put the ads where the advertiser wants [TS]

01:36:21   them to go it's not a kind of negligence [TS]

01:36:24   to an extent [TS]

01:36:25   that's not completely true it's in their [TS]

01:36:28   interest to do it as long as it doesn't [TS]

01:36:30   cost them too much to do that it's in [TS]

01:36:32   their interest to do it because YouTube [TS]

01:36:34   charges when a user clicks on an ad [TS]

01:36:36   right so they are in the business of [TS]

01:36:38   matching ads to interested viewers yeah [TS]

01:36:42   they're not selling billboards on the [TS]

01:36:43   highway here at a price that at a price [TS]

01:36:45   to them they're in the business of doing [TS]

01:36:47   that at a price to them that isn't too [TS]

01:36:49   great that I can't employ 400 million [TS]

01:36:51   people to do it right they employ no one [TS]

01:36:53   to do it they avoid a computer to do it [TS]

01:36:54   there's not a huge cost on the other end [TS]

01:36:56   it's not a big army of people where [TS]

01:36:57   they're like oh if we get these people [TS]

01:36:58   to slack off a bit right this is [TS]

01:37:00   Google's whole thing is this kind of AI [TS]

01:37:03   and categorization right this is their [TS]

01:37:05   whole deepmind project like this is [TS]

01:37:07   everything they do is making this stuff [TS]

01:37:09   good yeah and so that's why I think if [TS]

01:37:12   you ignore this that is a kind of [TS]

01:37:15   negligence if you just ignore how this [TS]

01:37:18   system is different how YouTube is in [TS]

01:37:21   the business of categorizing decade's [TS]

01:37:24   worth of content every day and you find [TS]

01:37:28   the couple of videos that no one has [TS]

01:37:31   watched and you keep refreshing and [TS]

01:37:33   refreshing them until you find an ad [TS]

01:37:34   from a big company that you know you can [TS]

01:37:37   bully because I think the other side of [TS]

01:37:39   this is I don't disagree with any of [TS]

01:37:41   these big companies from pulling out [TS]

01:37:43   because I think [TS]

01:37:45   newspapers and the news are able to [TS]

01:37:48   bully these big companies into negative [TS]

01:37:51   PR campaigns to move their money [TS]

01:37:53   elsewhere that's definitely true I [TS]

01:37:55   definitely agree with that but the news [TS]

01:37:56   is causing the very problem that they're [TS]

01:38:00   threatening will happen right like boy [TS]

01:38:03   won't it be terrible news for you if we [TS]

01:38:05   keep writing stories that associate your [TS]

01:38:08   brand name with horrible thing in the [TS]

01:38:10   title which is exactly what we want to [TS]

01:38:12   do so to me this is like a mafia [TS]

01:38:14   shakedown that they're doing here it's [TS]

01:38:16   like we'll always be able to find of the [TS]

01:38:19   decades worth of stuff every day we'll [TS]

01:38:21   be able to find something that has been [TS]

01:38:24   miscategorized and we'll always be able [TS]

01:38:27   to hold that over your head so it'd be a [TS]

01:38:29   real shame if we keep having to tarnish [TS]

01:38:31   your brand all the time it'd be a real [TS]

01:38:34   shame if we caused a constant problem [TS]

01:38:36   for our main competitor for advertising [TS]

01:38:38   dollars so this is why I find it [TS]

01:38:41   frustrating is I think this is [TS]

01:38:43   intentionally misrepresented what this [TS]

01:38:45   thing is the Internet is just not a [TS]

01:38:47   newspaper it's not a television schedule [TS]

01:38:50   it's a different kind of advertising and [TS]

01:38:52   I feel like pretty much everybody knows [TS]

01:38:56   this but nonetheless traditional media [TS]

01:39:00   can bully companies into pulling their [TS]

01:39:03   dollars off of it like I would even [TS]

01:39:05   believe that people on the board of [TS]

01:39:06   Pepsi or whatever know what this whole [TS]

01:39:08   situation is but they're just pulling [TS]

01:39:11   their dollars because they feel like we [TS]

01:39:12   can't don't please don't put us at the [TS]

01:39:14   center of the story like we're just [TS]

01:39:16   taking our money out leave us alone for [TS]

01:39:18   a while I would believe that that's [TS]

01:39:19   happening that even the people in charge [TS]

01:39:21   of the advertising of the big companies [TS]

01:39:22   understand the situation fully but just [TS]

01:39:24   feel like okay we can't be involved in [TS]

01:39:26   this like we're forced to make a move [TS]

01:39:28   here because of this story that has been [TS]

01:39:31   generated I agree with what you just [TS]

01:39:33   said I am Not sure that the problems [TS]

01:39:36   quite as tiny as you say like you're [TS]

01:39:39   making it sound like these are like five [TS]

01:39:41   videos with eight views and they've made [TS]

01:39:43   like point zero one of a penny mm-hmm I [TS]

01:39:45   don't know in some of the examples I've [TS]

01:39:47   read about have been you know hundreds [TS]

01:39:49   and hundreds of thousands of views it [TS]

01:39:51   would be interesting to know the money [TS]

01:39:53   involved and whether or not YouTube are [TS]

01:39:56   willing to disclose that I mean [TS]

01:39:57   obviously they're not willing to [TS]

01:39:58   disclose that [TS]

01:39:59   because the numbers would probably would [TS]

01:40:01   be quite big even though you would call [TS]

01:40:03   them small yeah like they could easily [TS]

01:40:05   say uh yet we've looked at it and we've [TS]

01:40:07   done an order and we've paid out you [TS]

01:40:08   know $33 hmm over the last year two [TS]

01:40:12   extreme content but obviously the number [TS]

01:40:14   isn't $33 it's obviously numbers that [TS]

01:40:16   are big enough that people are going to [TS]

01:40:18   get spooked I don't know if they're [TS]

01:40:20   numbers that are big enough that people [TS]

01:40:21   are going to get spooked because the [TS]

01:40:22   other thing that I've seen in the [TS]

01:40:24   articles like I've seen people passing [TS]

01:40:25   around that I find really frustrating is [TS]

01:40:29   again this is a kind of thing that I see [TS]

01:40:32   often in the news but this is an example [TS]

01:40:35   of it where it's like you start talking [TS]

01:40:37   about a really terrible thing but you [TS]

01:40:39   transition into something else and so [TS]

01:40:42   I've seen articles where they start out [TS]

01:40:44   by talking about like oh here's a [TS]

01:40:46   horrible beheading video that's Walmart [TS]

01:40:50   ran an ad against or whatever yeah and [TS]

01:40:52   then they transition to videos that have [TS]

01:40:56   let's say unpopular political speech [TS]

01:41:00   that have hundreds of thousands of views [TS]

01:41:03   in them and then they suddenly they [TS]

01:41:04   start talking about popular channels [TS]

01:41:07   that might say unpopular things and it's [TS]

01:41:10   like whoa whoa you've done like a [TS]

01:41:12   switcheroo here because you're kind of [TS]

01:41:15   implying that this horrible thing is [TS]

01:41:18   getting the numbers of this other thing [TS]

01:41:20   that you're talking about yeah and if I [TS]

01:41:22   didn't follow this world as closely as I [TS]

01:41:24   do [TS]

01:41:24   I would not be aware of what has just [TS]

01:41:28   occurred like if I'm just reading an [TS]

01:41:29   article suddenly I think there are [TS]

01:41:31   channels on YouTube that show terrorist [TS]

01:41:33   recruiting videos that have millions of [TS]

01:41:35   subscribers and hundreds of thousands of [TS]

01:41:37   views and it's like those things don't [TS]

01:41:38   exist yeah those are not on YouTube and [TS]

01:41:40   so that is just another thing that I [TS]

01:41:42   find really frustrating where it's like [TS]

01:41:43   you news article or news story are like [TS]

01:41:47   you're no fool you're deliberately doing [TS]

01:41:50   this thing of like talk about the [TS]

01:41:52   horrible thing and then switch to the [TS]

01:41:54   maybe controversial thing but act as [TS]

01:41:57   though they're the same like it's a kind [TS]

01:41:59   of false equivalence I think some of [TS]

01:42:00   them are folks by the way they I think [TS]

01:42:02   in some cases they don't even quite get [TS]

01:42:04   it themselves [TS]

01:42:05   then I think it was as clever as you [TS]

01:42:07   think well there we go score one for the [TS]

01:42:09   journalists then are they malevolent or [TS]

01:42:12   just fools I think that's exactly what [TS]

01:42:16   you said braiding hair and I'm gonna put [TS]

01:42:17   that on up no no I think you're right I [TS]

01:42:19   said in my statement in my now famous [TS]

01:42:20   statement I didn't say that you know [TS]

01:42:22   they're a bad journalist out there and [TS]

01:42:24   they need to be called out and I think [TS]

01:42:25   some of this reporting you know it's [TS]

01:42:27   perfectly fair to call that and you know [TS]

01:42:30   you make you make some good points about [TS]

01:42:31   it but I do think big organizations and [TS]

01:42:35   companies don't act to improve things [TS]

01:42:39   until they're called out sometimes and [TS]

01:42:42   you know YouTube have now announced some [TS]

01:42:44   you know new system and stuff and I saw [TS]

01:42:46   a few people tweeting saying okay that [TS]

01:42:49   looks like an interesting thing they're [TS]

01:42:50   going to do to get around the problem [TS]

01:42:51   well let's talk about this [TS]

01:42:53   how have YouTube responded well the main [TS]

01:42:56   thing that I've seen which I thought I [TS]

01:42:58   believe I said on Twitter it's a [TS]

01:42:59   brilliant response yeah is YouTube has [TS]

01:43:02   decided that unless your YouTube channel [TS]

01:43:04   has 10,000 lifetime views across all the [TS]

01:43:08   videos yeah you will not be able to [TS]

01:43:10   monetize the channel Yeah right now [TS]

01:43:12   10,000 views is no money it's like a [TS]

01:43:15   dollar especially after the ad boy yeah [TS]

01:43:18   it's essentially nothing yeah so this [TS]

01:43:20   hurts [TS]

01:43:21   no creators right nobody with less than [TS]

01:43:23   10,000 views is making a living on [TS]

01:43:25   YouTube and I thought this was a [TS]

01:43:27   fantastic response because I viewed it [TS]

01:43:30   essentially as YouTube had to be seen [TS]

01:43:33   doing something and here's them able to [TS]

01:43:37   say like okay look we're gonna do this [TS]

01:43:39   because we know that the videos people [TS]

01:43:42   are pointing to have essentially no [TS]

01:43:44   views right that they're getting flagged [TS]

01:43:46   and they're getting pulled out of the [TS]

01:43:47   system really fast and so since the view [TS]

01:43:51   numbers on those things are so small [TS]

01:43:52   anyway we can set a comically low [TS]

01:43:55   threshold before videos can be monetized [TS]

01:43:58   I think YouTube's response shows exactly [TS]

01:44:01   what the level of the problem really is [TS]

01:44:03   it's like okay fine we have to be seen [TS]

01:44:07   to be doing something so we're going to [TS]

01:44:09   implement a quote solution to fix this [TS]

01:44:13   trivial problem I think it was a good PR [TS]

01:44:16   move on YouTube's side like I think that [TS]

01:44:19   was a good decision to do but what I [TS]

01:44:21   don't think is happening is behind the [TS]

01:44:23   scenes is YouTube is going how jeez guys [TS]

01:44:26   never trying to find bad content before [TS]

01:44:28   we were just taking all the Pepsi's [TS]

01:44:29   money and running it on these these [TS]

01:44:31   horrible ads like shucks we better stop [TS]

01:44:33   doing that I think again with YouTube in [TS]

01:44:36   particular they already had a hell of an [TS]

01:44:39   incentive to do this so I really don't [TS]

01:44:41   think that there's something going on at [TS]

01:44:43   YouTube where they're trying to like [TS]

01:44:45   improve their categorization algorithm [TS]

01:44:47   more than they already were doing but if [TS]

01:44:49   they had already had this system in [TS]

01:44:51   place this 10,000 view system mm-hmm [TS]

01:44:54   wouldn't it have been the case that [TS]

01:44:55   there would have been no beheading [TS]

01:44:57   videos with Walmart ads next to them in [TS]

01:44:59   the first place and they wouldn't have [TS]

01:45:01   had this ammunition okay yeah right yes [TS]

01:45:03   I would agree with that but what I'm [TS]

01:45:06   saying is I think the amount of money [TS]

01:45:09   here is so trivial that it is nothing [TS]

01:45:12   right so what you're asking is is the [TS]

01:45:16   difference between a literal 0 problem [TS]

01:45:19   and a essentially near zero problem I [TS]

01:45:23   don't think that that difference is a [TS]

01:45:25   significant difference well it must feel [TS]

01:45:28   significant when lot your stock price [TS]

01:45:29   goes down by a billion dollars but this [TS]

01:45:32   is my whole point [TS]

01:45:33   it feels significant because the news [TS]

01:45:36   has made a thing out of nothing to their [TS]

01:45:40   own advantage should YouTube have seen [TS]

01:45:42   it coming I don't know if YouTube should [TS]

01:45:44   have seen it coming because I feel like [TS]

01:45:46   you can't possibly see how your enemies [TS]

01:45:50   are always going to attack you in the [TS]

01:45:51   future but this seems like a really [TS]

01:45:53   obvious attack to me I even suggested it [TS]

01:45:55   in the context of freebooting shame [TS]

01:45:57   advertisers by showing them what their [TS]

01:46:00   content is being shown against like it [TS]

01:46:02   seems like an obvious tactic if you'd [TS]

01:46:04   sat me down and said Brady we need to [TS]

01:46:06   stop ad people advertising on YouTube [TS]

01:46:08   give us some ideas I think I would have [TS]

01:46:10   come up with that in the first hour or [TS]

01:46:11   two okay right yeah you're coming up [TS]

01:46:14   with ways to attack YouTube yeah you're [TS]

01:46:17   not selling me on like what an amazing [TS]

01:46:19   piece of investigative journalism [TS]

01:46:21   they're doing here right no no but what [TS]

01:46:23   I'm saying in the context of should [TS]

01:46:24   YouTube have been prepared for it and [TS]

01:46:26   said we need to make sure that like [TS]

01:46:28   we're not open to this attack because [TS]

01:46:30   it's such an easy attack you know I'm [TS]

01:46:32   not saying it's not trivial I'm saying [TS]

01:46:33   it's easy to do I guess I sort of see [TS]

01:46:35   what you're saying here but I feel like [TS]

01:46:37   you're giving in to my whole premise [TS]

01:46:38   then that this [TS]

01:46:39   whole story is like a made-up nonsense [TS]

01:46:41   story right like it isn't that surely [TS]

01:46:44   the infuriating part and it's like a [TS]

01:46:46   gigantic company is never going to be [TS]

01:46:48   able to protect itself from generated [TS]

01:46:52   fury you can never possibly foresee all [TS]

01:46:55   of the ways that your enemies are going [TS]

01:46:57   to attack you especially if they're able [TS]

01:46:59   to spin up non problems into gigantic [TS]

01:47:02   problems yeah okay so I'm saying is this [TS]

01:47:04   does seem like an obvious one to me and [TS]

01:47:06   if you think the ten thousand solution [TS]

01:47:09   has an impact I'm surprised they didn't [TS]

01:47:12   do it before yeah but again I don't see [TS]

01:47:14   you're asking youtube to be able to [TS]

01:47:16   anticipate all of the problems yeah I am [TS]

01:47:19   actually I think a big smart business [TS]

01:47:21   does sit around and anticipate all their [TS]

01:47:23   problems and how they're going to get [TS]

01:47:24   attacked and how to protect themselves [TS]

01:47:26   against it don't they but presumably you [TS]

01:47:28   would be concerned about your actual big [TS]

01:47:31   problems first and you wouldn't [TS]

01:47:33   necessarily be sitting around and [TS]

01:47:34   thinking what are all of our tiniest [TS]

01:47:37   problems I don't think this is a tiny [TS]

01:47:39   problem for them [TS]

01:47:40   I think it's been shown to not be a tiny [TS]

01:47:41   problem for them again this is where [TS]

01:47:43   language is a thing though yes this is [TS]

01:47:46   now a real problem for YouTube that has [TS]

01:47:49   been spun out of bullshit that's my [TS]

01:47:51   feeling on this is like you can't [TS]

01:47:52   foresee all of the both problems that [TS]

01:47:55   someone is going to attack you with yeah [TS]

01:47:57   but I think this one could have been for [TS]

01:47:58   saying is what I'm saying I would have [TS]

01:48:00   foreseen it well that's because you [TS]

01:48:02   think like a yellow journalist okay [TS]

01:48:04   because you know how the minds of [TS]

01:48:06   journalists work and how they're going [TS]

01:48:08   to attack their enemies [TS]

01:48:09   so I guess YouTube should hire you as a [TS]

01:48:11   consultant very good just sitting around [TS]

01:48:14   thinking of all the ways you could [TS]

01:48:15   attack them yeah I don't know great I [TS]

01:48:18   don't know what to say because I don't [TS]

01:48:20   know some of the stuff you're saying I [TS]

01:48:22   don't know if you're right you're saying [TS]

01:48:25   to me that the people making [TS]

01:48:27   inappropriate content and making very [TS]

01:48:30   very little money [TS]

01:48:31   like nothing money you're saying that to [TS]

01:48:34   me I don't know if that's true or not so [TS]

01:48:35   I don't know whether to disagree with [TS]

01:48:38   you yeah if that's true there's nothing [TS]

01:48:40   really you're saying that's particularly [TS]

01:48:42   wrong yeah just to be clear one of the [TS]

01:48:44   bigger problems that is happening is [TS]

01:48:48   this question of like what is advertiser [TS]

01:48:51   appropriate on YouTube [TS]

01:48:53   this gets very quickly into a realm [TS]

01:48:54   where it's very hard to know what is [TS]

01:48:57   happening but like I do sort of know [TS]

01:49:00   through unofficial channels that YouTube [TS]

01:49:02   does have behind the scenes like bins [TS]

01:49:05   that they put different channels into of [TS]

01:49:06   saying like oh this is perfectly okay [TS]

01:49:08   content like this is unknown content [TS]

01:49:10   yeah and there's a very different [TS]

01:49:13   question about categorizing channels and [TS]

01:49:16   what happens to channels that are [TS]

01:49:18   considered more or less advertiser [TS]

01:49:20   friendly again I think that that is like [TS]

01:49:23   a related problem but a much more [TS]

01:49:24   difficult to talk about problem because [TS]

01:49:26   you just don't know but one of the [TS]

01:49:29   things that I do start getting very [TS]

01:49:32   uncomfortable about is what you're [TS]

01:49:34   touching on here is like the boundaries [TS]

01:49:38   of what do we consider okay and not okay [TS]

01:49:41   content right and there's there's always [TS]

01:49:43   like a huge gray area there on one end [TS]

01:49:46   we have like the absolute stuff that [TS]

01:49:47   everybody agrees is totally horrible but [TS]

01:49:50   then as you start getting towards the [TS]

01:49:51   end of the spectrum which is where I [TS]

01:49:53   think the conflation starts beginning is [TS]

01:49:56   like politically unpopular speech which [TS]

01:50:00   starts becoming like a grey zone and you [TS]

01:50:02   like well is this okay is this not okay [TS]

01:50:06   like then that becomes much harder and [TS]

01:50:09   to be clear I am 100% on the side like [TS]

01:50:12   if advertisers don't want to advertise [TS]

01:50:14   on politically unpopular videos like [TS]

01:50:19   that's totally their prerogative it's [TS]

01:50:20   their money to spend [TS]

01:50:21   it's 100% their choice advertisers [TS]

01:50:25   should be able to say like don't put our [TS]

01:50:27   videos on anything that seems remotely [TS]

01:50:29   political but then that starts getting [TS]

01:50:31   into much more complicated questions [TS]

01:50:34   about like what kind of content is [TS]

01:50:36   YouTube implicitly through the way their [TS]

01:50:39   system works promoting or not promoting [TS]

01:50:42   the creation of this starts becoming a [TS]

01:50:44   real mess like there are definitely [TS]

01:50:48   channels on YouTube that get lots of [TS]

01:50:50   views that you can point to easily that [TS]

01:50:52   say like oh people don't like this [TS]

01:50:53   channel and they're making a bunch of [TS]

01:50:55   money but I think that gets very easily [TS]

01:50:58   conflated with the absolute stuff that [TS]

01:51:01   we all agree is horrible and so my [TS]

01:51:03   stance is like the worst of the worst [TS]

01:51:05   stuff is not making [TS]

01:51:06   any money on YouTube but that doesn't [TS]

01:51:08   mean that like channels where we start [TS]

01:51:10   having some disagreement over are they [TS]

01:51:13   making money like those channels do [TS]

01:51:15   exist and I do think if advertisers [TS]

01:51:17   don't want to advertise on them that is [TS]

01:51:19   the advertisers prerogative but that's a [TS]

01:51:22   much subtler question I think than what [TS]

01:51:25   most of these new stories are talking [TS]

01:51:27   about and I mean Google's solo it up the [TS]

01:51:29   kazoo they must have contracts in place [TS]

01:51:30   that are saying you know we don't know [TS]

01:51:32   what people are putting in their videos [TS]

01:51:33   sometimes and if suddenly CGP grey [TS]

01:51:36   uploads a video that's different to all [TS]

01:51:37   the ones that have come before it's hard [TS]

01:51:39   for them to realize that your tone has [TS]

01:51:41   changed immediately that is exactly [TS]

01:51:43   right as I mentioned on the show before [TS]

01:51:45   I was told by someone YouTube like oh [TS]

01:51:46   you are listed as one of the school safe [TS]

01:51:48   channels so YouTube has a mode which is [TS]

01:51:52   where schools can have a super lockdown [TS]

01:51:53   version of YouTube yeah and it's like [TS]

01:51:55   okay that's great I know my channels on [TS]

01:51:57   there but I could upload a video that's [TS]

01:51:59   a different thing like how long does it [TS]

01:52:00   take before the system would pull that [TS]

01:52:02   yeah right this is what I mean by like [TS]

01:52:04   you can never possibly have a perfect [TS]

01:52:07   system here there's always going to be a [TS]

01:52:09   thing that you can point to yeah at the [TS]

01:52:11   higher levels it becomes a much more [TS]

01:52:13   complicated issue to talk about hmm what [TS]

01:52:18   do you think in there Brady well my [TS]

01:52:21   overall feeling is that the old-school [TS]

01:52:23   media particularly the times has really [TS]

01:52:27   overcooked this and I'm finding it a [TS]

01:52:30   little bit offensive how conflicted they [TS]

01:52:34   are and how hard they're going and [TS]

01:52:35   they've movie on the bounds of raising [TS]

01:52:38   an issue and stirring up a bit of [TS]

01:52:40   controversy and asking a few questions [TS]

01:52:41   about accountability they've totally [TS]

01:52:43   moved over into feathering their own [TS]

01:52:46   nest mm-hmm [TS]

01:52:47   however I do think it was legitimate to [TS]

01:52:50   point out that there's this [TS]

01:52:52   inappropriate content around sometimes [TS]

01:52:54   it's got ads on it is this something [TS]

01:52:56   that should questions should be asked [TS]

01:52:57   about I think there was legitimate I [TS]

01:52:59   still think it's legitimate I don't know [TS]

01:53:01   I think you're coming across as very [TS]

01:53:03   much like so Pro YouTube that it's [TS]

01:53:06   almost like surprising it's an [TS]

01:53:08   uncomfortable position to be in [TS]

01:53:09   yeah and I do think that YouTube like [TS]

01:53:14   any big company will sometimes only act [TS]

01:53:16   to improve systems whether it's their [TS]

01:53:18   algorithm and how things are [TS]

01:53:19   when they have the blowtorch put on them [TS]

01:53:22   so I do think sometimes it's good for a [TS]

01:53:24   blowtorch such as media attention to be [TS]

01:53:27   applied to companies to make them act [TS]

01:53:29   and look at their systems and think [TS]

01:53:30   should we have a 10,000 rule is there [TS]

01:53:33   more we can do so I think it was fine to [TS]

01:53:35   put a blowtorch on them but I think the [TS]

01:53:37   blowtorch has gone way too far to some [TS]

01:53:40   kind of SuperDuper mother of all flame [TS]

01:53:41   throwers mm-hmm and it's gone beyond the [TS]

01:53:45   realms of what was fair reporting and [TS]

01:53:48   I'm finding it quite frustrating what do [TS]

01:53:50   you think the net result is if you think [TS]

01:53:53   the blowtorch has been held too long and [TS]

01:53:54   turned up too high and we also have to [TS]

01:53:58   look at creators on the margin right for [TS]

01:54:00   whom this does have an impact right and [TS]

01:54:02   a decrease in like we're looking at all [TS]

01:54:04   of the various things and the [TS]

01:54:06   possibility of what YouTube can change [TS]

01:54:08   yeah in your view do you think this [TS]

01:54:10   comes out as a net win or a net loss I [TS]

01:54:13   think it when all the dust settles that [TS]

01:54:15   for a few months or a year or two the [TS]

01:54:19   needle has swung ever so slightly [TS]

01:54:22   maybe the newspapers have stalled this [TS]

01:54:24   move in advertising maybe slightly [TS]

01:54:27   I think it's overall the trend will [TS]

01:54:29   continue [TS]

01:54:30   I think the creators who are the big [TS]

01:54:31   losers are kind of collateral damage hmm [TS]

01:54:34   I mean there's been a lot written about [TS]

01:54:36   this and I think the interesting thing [TS]

01:54:37   is what a lot of the experts I'm reading [TS]

01:54:39   as saying is that all these big [TS]

01:54:41   advertising budgets that are being [TS]

01:54:42   pulled out of YouTube are just going to [TS]

01:54:43   go into sort of Google ads and search [TS]

01:54:45   anyway because they set aside you know [TS]

01:54:47   100 million dollars a year for online [TS]

01:54:49   advertising mm-hmm and they're just [TS]

01:54:51   going to reallocate it around the [TS]

01:54:52   internet anyway and goo who's gonna [TS]

01:54:53   Hoover up most of it anyway well it was [TS]

01:54:55   gonna go to Facebook but somebody else [TS]

01:54:57   is next on the list yeah and also when [TS]

01:55:00   you look at sort of the wording of all [TS]

01:55:02   the media statements from the companies [TS]

01:55:05   they're never saying we're pulling all [TS]

01:55:06   their advertising from the internet or [TS]

01:55:08   Google they're quite canny with their [TS]

01:55:10   wording usually so you can tell they're [TS]

01:55:12   still advertising online so I don't [TS]

01:55:14   think it's quite the victory for [TS]

01:55:16   newspapers that they probably think [TS]

01:55:17   they've landed the only real losers are [TS]

01:55:21   probably you and me well this is why [TS]

01:55:24   I've arranged my whole business so that [TS]

01:55:26   this isn't a problem yeah this is why I [TS]

01:55:28   have my fantastic patrons yeah it is [TS]

01:55:30   really interesting because I'm I've been [TS]

01:55:32   digging around [TS]

01:55:33   data for my own analytics behind the [TS]

01:55:35   scenes trying to see what I can see yeah [TS]

01:55:37   and I am fairly certain that the video I [TS]

01:55:40   uploaded about the YouTube system has [TS]

01:55:43   been put into some kind of political [TS]

01:55:46   category because I could see what the [TS]

01:55:49   CPM s were at the start mmm and like for [TS]

01:55:53   the first two days it was lower than [TS]

01:55:56   normal and then all of a sudden it [TS]

01:55:59   crashed to almost nothing and it's like [TS]

01:56:02   ha this is really interesting like [TS]

01:56:03   somewhere switched was clearly flipped [TS]

01:56:05   where the algorithm thinks oh this is a [TS]

01:56:08   video maybe about politics or whatever [TS]

01:56:10   like who knows what it is but it's [TS]

01:56:11   interesting because I've never had a [TS]

01:56:12   video do that before like comparing it [TS]

01:56:15   with everything else where it's like [TS]

01:56:16   okay now this is earning essentially [TS]

01:56:18   nothing it's interesting to see but I [TS]

01:56:21   still say like its creators on the [TS]

01:56:22   margin who are most affected by this but [TS]

01:56:25   yeah I didn't hear a clear answer from [TS]

01:56:27   you there of overall summing everything [TS]

01:56:31   up is this whole debacle that happens on [TS]

01:56:35   the long scale is it a net positive for [TS]

01:56:38   the world or is it a net negative for [TS]

01:56:40   the world [TS]

01:56:40   what does Brady think oh no I think it [TS]

01:56:43   just balances out like so might as well [TS]

01:56:45   have not happened it's a net neutral [TS]

01:56:49   that's what you're saying like [TS]

01:56:50   everything in the world there are lot [TS]

01:56:52   winners and losers who are the winners I [TS]

01:56:54   feel like this is very important who do [TS]

01:56:55   you think is the winner in this [TS]

01:56:58   situation who comes out better after [TS]

01:57:00   these news stories whoa I'm sure if you [TS]

01:57:02   ask Google and YouTube if they could [TS]

01:57:04   turn back the clock and have the stories [TS]

01:57:05   not appear they would say yes let's have [TS]

01:57:08   them not appear and if you ask the times [TS]

01:57:10   do you regret running them do you want [TS]

01:57:12   to not do them they would say no no [TS]

01:57:13   we're glad we did it so based on that [TS]

01:57:16   clearly the winners in that battle is [TS]

01:57:19   the newspaper I think it will result in [TS]

01:57:22   it being a little bit harder for people [TS]

01:57:24   creating an appropriate content to make [TS]

01:57:27   money so that's like a small positive [TS]

01:57:29   that's come out of it I don't know how [TS]

01:57:31   big a positive because again I don't [TS]

01:57:32   know how much money these make you tell [TS]

01:57:35   me it's nothing you're more likely to [TS]

01:57:37   know than me so I'm assuming a right but [TS]

01:57:38   I don't know that you're right [TS]

01:57:39   regardless I think it will be even [TS]

01:57:41   harder to make money with inappropriate [TS]

01:57:43   content now I think that's a good result [TS]

01:57:45   I think people who [TS]

01:57:47   make their living via revenue on YouTube [TS]

01:57:50   have taken a hit I don't know how long [TS]

01:57:53   that hit will last for their losers if [TS]

01:57:56   they are making appropriate content [TS]

01:57:58   which most of them are so I don't really [TS]

01:58:00   think of it like that I don't really [TS]

01:58:02   think of it as winners and losers that I [TS]

01:58:03   just think it's like I've really got to [TS]

01:58:05   do the society calculus right we add up [TS]

01:58:07   all the benefits and all the harms alike [TS]

01:58:08   and there's a net positive for the world [TS]

01:58:10   or a net negative for the world I need a [TS]

01:58:11   bit longer I haven't got all the data I [TS]

01:58:14   mean I haven't got enough data to know [TS]

01:58:16   how big the problem was yeah that's that [TS]

01:58:18   that is the big unknown you think it's [TS]

01:58:20   completely trivial I think it's much [TS]

01:58:23   much less than the times made it sound [TS]

01:58:25   but I don't know if it's as trivial as [TS]

01:58:27   you're making it sound mmm [TS]

01:58:29   I don't know if it was a problem I think [TS]

01:58:31   it kind of was a problem but if these [TS]

01:58:33   videos have made like half of one cent [TS]

01:58:37   and they just screen captured the one [TS]

01:58:38   moment in history when an ad was served [TS]

01:58:41   against it then okay it was not a [TS]

01:58:44   problem I tend to think it must be a [TS]

01:58:46   little bit worse than that all I can go [TS]

01:58:48   on is the fact that when people free [TS]

01:58:51   boot my videos there's certainly a [TS]

01:58:53   boatload of ads running against them so [TS]

01:58:55   whatever mechanisms are in place to stop [TS]

01:58:57   freebooting aren't working and people [TS]

01:58:59   are making money from that a little [TS]

01:59:00   different I don't think those things get [TS]

01:59:02   flagged as fast as a terrorist [TS]

01:59:04   recruitment video I realize that but [TS]

01:59:06   what I'm saying is that's all I've got [TS]

01:59:07   to go on right and if that's all I've [TS]

01:59:09   got to go on then the history has shown [TS]

01:59:12   me that these hosts of media aren't [TS]

01:59:16   particularly super red-hot on doing this [TS]

01:59:20   they do it they get around to it and if [TS]

01:59:21   this has made them improve their systems [TS]

01:59:24   a bit if the new 10,000 rule is a big [TS]

01:59:26   positive then something's come of it I [TS]

01:59:29   guess but don't get me wrong I think it [TS]

01:59:31   was a bit scummy the times are overdone [TS]

01:59:33   er they're continuing to overdo it it's [TS]

01:59:35   driving me crazy it's making me a little [TS]

01:59:37   bit mad now when I read age mourning [TS]

01:59:38   it's like just because of the brazenness [TS]

01:59:41   of it I think more than anything like [TS]

01:59:43   the obvious of it I just find it a [TS]

01:59:45   little bit [TS]

01:59:47   yeah bit yucky you know like I don't [TS]

01:59:50   care about Facebook but I don't like [TS]

01:59:52   Facebook no I don't like me look I [TS]

01:59:55   reckon I still don't want to see that [TS]

01:59:57   their business slandered essential [TS]

01:59:57   their business slandered essential [TS]

02:00:00   blew by supposedly reputable news [TS]

02:00:02   sources I don't I agree I've done a [TS]

02:00:05   really terrible job of answering a [TS]

02:00:06   question because I don't really think of [TS]

02:00:08   it in terms of winners and losers it's [TS]

02:00:09   been bit of a mucky episode but you know [TS]

02:00:12   a Walmart aired running against one [TS]

02:00:14   beheading video is also unfortunate I [TS]

02:00:16   understand why it happens and the system [TS]

02:00:17   we work in but I think you're a lot more [TS]

02:00:21   of an apologist for these automated [TS]

02:00:22   systems than i apologist the apologist [TS]

02:00:27   realist brady really was a realist I [TS]

02:00:30   think you can always make it better and [TS]

02:00:32   I think they don't have best in making [TS]

02:00:34   these things better until they felt the [TS]

02:00:37   heat I don't think they should have felt [TS]

02:00:39   as much heat as they have when this much [TS]

02:00:41   money moves around and investment is [TS]

02:00:43   pulled real lives are affected and we [TS]

02:00:46   shouldn't forget that as well but I also [TS]

02:00:49   think like in general terms one of the [TS]

02:00:52   roles the media can play is holding [TS]

02:00:54   businesses to account that aren't doing [TS]

02:00:56   enough to do their job properly I don't [TS]

02:00:59   know if that's what happened here you [TS]

02:01:01   say absolutely not I say maybe they [TS]

02:01:03   could have done more maybe I'd like to [TS]

02:01:05   see some data I do think that's a [TS]

02:01:07   legitimate role for journalists to play [TS]

02:01:09   I don't think the times should be [TS]

02:01:11   beating their chests about [TS]

02:01:12   investigations I think this is trivial [TS]

02:01:14   what they've done they've just spun it [TS]

02:01:16   into a clever story that there we go [TS]

02:01:19   it's happened that's a we can say for [TS]

02:01:21   sure it's a thing that happened that we [TS]

02:01:25   and I'll be introducing how it ends [TS]

02:01:27   it'll never end they'll do this forever [TS]

02:01:29   I'll find another read on some obscure [TS]

02:01:30   video and then add a little kick off [TS]

02:01:33   again it'll never end Brady that I can [TS]

02:01:36   pretty much guarantee you it'll end when [TS]

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