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H.I #80: Operation Twinkle Toes


  all right hello internets uh 8080 that

  ad I think what's that in Roman numerals

  Q I think it's a Q that's the way that

  works what I gotta be right about to say

  is say a hundred rizelle one hundred

  sees one hundred ELLs fifty have don't

  you watch the Super Bowl Brady so it's

  either L XXX or to see its xxc we take

  the 20 from the hundred I add the 30 to

  the 50 I think we take the 20 from the

  hundred all right did you trying to be

  economical with letters isn't that how

  that works

  no it's it's L xxx say ha yeah there's

  always those exceptions like how 8 is is

  the III and not III X well this is why

  the Romans couldn't do algebra I don't

  know I don't know why they went that way

  but that's the way it is I think I think

  they got stuck this way right they

  started a system it seemed like a good

  idea at the time

  yeah but then but then when they're

  trying to solve for X it turns out to be

  incredibly difficult with Roman numerals

  oh it's like it's like their version of

  the millennium bug and I never thought

  that day to get to 100 well we never

  thought the numbers I get this big we

  thought we'd just check three on the end

  we didn't think we'd get to the point

  where we had to take two from something


  yeah now that we need to we need to see

  the Pythagorean theorem we're in real

  trouble I got a date a patch so the hell

  of it to throw this all the way look at

  these shiny Arabic numerals this is my

  tomato I like a few little quirks in a

  in a system I like a few inconsistencies

  yeah yeah but I don't think you want

  inconsistencies in numbers like if

  there's if there's one area where we can

  surely agree that you must have

  consistency it's with numbers you're not

  really going to be like oh there's a bit

  of a charm to the old Roman system we

  should be using it today yeah I guess

  you're at can I wish a happy birthday to

  CGP grey not CGP grey the co-host of

  hello internet and very occasional

  release of YouTube videos right but CGP

  grey the penguin at Bristol Zoo though

  has just had a second birthday

  she has just had her second I was gonna

  say what's this what's this it nonsense

  we know it's the she's two years old now

  and do you know what I just just before

  we started recording I had

  pang of guilt about CTP great the

  penguin mm-hmm yeah how often have you

  visited her breeding yeah do you know

  what it reminds me of it you know when

  you go on holiday sometimes or you have

  some like intense experience and you

  meet like new friends or people you

  haven't met before and at the end of the

  trip you like exchange details and

  you're thinking it's going to be friends

  forever like I'll contact you and we'll

  see each other again one day and we're

  gone another holiday and you have all

  these grand ideas and then you maybe

  exchanged one email and then like you

  never hear from that person again you

  can't even remember them or their name

  who but you would actually think that

  you're going to maintain friendships

  over a long distance that's sometimes

  you feel that because you've had such a

  good time with them and you've gotten

  along so well you think they're gonna be

  a friend for life and I know I know

  I know you feel that Brady I know that

  you feel that everybody who's human

  feels that but surely you know it's like

  maintaining a friendship via email it's

  never going to happen there are people I

  would love to maintain friendships with

  via email people I do occasionally have

  like pangs of guilt for not sending more

  emails to but the reality of it is like

  this isn't the 1800s like we can't

  maintain a correspondence through

  letter-writing like it's just never

  gonna happen yeah but you think that's

  just going to be a stopgap between

  having another great holiday together

  because you just had such a good time

  and I'll come and visit you in Peru oh

  yeah mm-hmm look I'm not saying when I

  think about it in the cold light of day

  but I can't see what happens and it's

  happened to me so many times in life I

  should know better yeah but it still

  just happens it still just happens and

  my point is that's a bit how I feel

  about CGP grey the lady penguin mm-hmm

  because I sort of thought ah I'm so

  close to Bristol Zoo I could go back

  like maybe every six months or so just

  for half a day and take a few photos and

  see how she's doing and keep everyone up

  to date and yeah I remember at the time

  they were there were many a promise from

  Brady about updates about how she was

  doing overtime we were going to get

  health reports on the weight and it's

  like no nothing nothing ever happened I

  did one big update I did the gender

  update and the weigh-in and everything

  that's it that's it that's the one email

  that you send when you think oh let me

  let me kick this off and it she never

  wrote back that's part I mean partly in

  my defense if I can have one little tiny

  bit of Defense mm-hmm

  contact at the zoo who made it all

  happen and even made the naming happen

  has left the zoo for new pastures so I

  did I did lose my easy contact there so

  now approaching the zoo is a little bit

  like I'm going in cold as a stranger

  again mm-hmm but it is also just my

  terribleness and I feel a little bit bad

  and I'm also secretly in the very back

  of my head a little bit scared of

  finding it maybe like something

  terrible's happened and I kind of don't

  want to know I mean I'm sure penguins

  don't dive right often here but there

  was that seal cage right next door you

  know seemed safe like it was really

  dangerous proximity sales don't attack

  penguins do they I think they do at the

  eat penguins I mean the Lions are only

  400 meters away or so yeah but like that

  I'm sure a lion isn't interested in a

  penguin I think you chuck a penguin in

  the lion cage and see what happens yeah

  therefore they won't know what it is

  they'll be really confused right there's

  different different terrain creatures

  they don't interact oh don't like

  licorice exactly that's that's how that

  would work out I understand that feeling

  you want cgp grey the lady penguin to

  live on forever in your mind having a

  fantastic life swimming around doing

  whatever she's up to

  yeah living forever or however long

  penguins live I don't know 18 months

  what's their life span I have known oh

  gosh if then she could be dead hang on

  how long does a penguin they've um

  looking that up just messy how long does

  a penguin live what's your guess

  what's your serious guess my serious

  guess um and I'll make it guess first

  before I look it up okay I'm gonna I'm

  gonna put my serious guess at ten years

  I'm gonna go

  fifteen this price is right is it

  closest without going over is that

  organized we're in trouble here because

  an emperor penguin apparently lives for

  20 years and a little penguin lives for

  six years that can live anywhere between

  six and twenty seven years okay well

  what what species is see to be greater

  penguin well that's a good that's good


  what is it it's like an African penguin

  isn't it okay I think so

  that sounds familiar we haven't kept up

  a correspondence so I don't know the

  details of her family lineage the

  average lifespan of an african penguin

  is ten to twenty seven years and they

  can live up to thirty years in captivity

  so cgb

  the lady penguin may will outlive me I

  don't know what I'm worried about

  if CGP grey lady penguin outlives you I

  will take a visit to the zoo right in

  your honor that would be like that would

  be your way of remembering me yeah


  it'll be a little remembrance for you

  just like that holiday friendship thing

  though it'll be like you know after I'm

  gone you'll forget you'll never do it

  and like ten years after I'm gone you'll

  be I really must go and visit that

  penguin one day I'm terrible the guilt

  of long-distance friendships now great I

  want to quickly just talk about the

  hello Internet limited edition sneakers

  mm-hmm mainly because I just realized

  that I haven't got you to give the

  project a cool name yet like their vinyl

  was called Project revolution can you

  come up with a name for the sneaker

  project oh it seems kind of pointless

  now though Brady it's over no it's still

  going that they're still gonna be like

  manufactured and orders are still coming

  in and I dive yeah another but like I've

  seen them in real life they're being

  manufactured you've taken orders if this

  is his way too far in the life cycle of

  a project to give it a project name but

  whenever I bring it up I need a name I

  can't always say I want to talk about

  the hello Internet limited edition

  sneakers hmm it has to and by the way my

  wife tells me off for calling them

  sneakers because that's not a very

  British thing to call them but it's too

  late now

  why does she tell you I don't know I

  think maybe she thinks I should be

  calling them trainers I've got a

  possible name oh yeah what I was just

  trying to look up I was I was thinking

  mercury has those little wings on his

  feet I was trying to think is there a

  name for those little wings like that

  could be a project name yeah or it could

  just be Project Mercury what do you

  think Brady juvett you have one you like

  I was thinking maybe operation twinkle

  toes done okay yeah you want to call it

  operation twinkle toes that's fine I'm

  trying to read for like an obscure Greek

  reference here it's like that operation

  twinkle toes much better there you go I

  mean I know you like the cool names and

  I I'm up for a cool name as much as the

  next guy but I don't know if for some

  reason in my head I just keep coming

  back to operation twinkle toes here's

  the important thing about a project name

  it has to feel right yeah it has to feel

  right and project twinkle toes it feels

  right I think operation twinkle toes

  operation twinkle toes there we go

  operation twinkle toes so a quick update

  on operation twinkle toes

  as as you said the first two pairs are

  now in existence and in my possession

  and are even being worn by me right now

  not not right now now but I was wearing

  them yesterday when I saw you so you got

  to see them in real life and I did I saw

  them in real life

  yeah when you came through London after

  filming some objectivity mm-hmm I was

  originally thinking our Brady's in town

  do I really want to go see him for a

  drink I don't know

  that's a bit meh on the whole evening to

  be honest but when you did them send me

  the message telling me that you had the

  sneakers I thought oh okay I should go

  out and see him I want to see what these

  things actually look like and I was very

  glad that I made the journey what did

  you think of them in real life I think

  they look really good in real life it's

  always different like when you see a

  thing for real right the Internet as

  fantastic as it is can never quite

  convey the physical presence of a thing

  like in on all of the pictures I was a

  little bit uncertain about the thickness

  of that white soul but in real life I

  think it came out great so I have to say

  two thumbs up

  for projects operation twinkle toes I

  can't believe how much I love them

  you're smitten Brady you're smitten I am

  I am smitten I'm just like I'm in love

  so I've got one pair that I'm wearing

  I've got another pair I'm keeping in the

  box for the museum yeah I can't rule out

  cracking the other ones out of the box

  when my current ones die well you said

  you were going to get a whole bunch of

  spares right a whole bunch of redundant

  sneakers wasn't that the plan you were

  going to order like ten for yourselves

  that you always have a lot I was like I

  don't remember saying that

  oh no it sounds familiar I think that's

  what you pretty sure that's what you

  said it's not something I would do but I

  don't know maybe I do need an extra pair

  and despite me telling people not to

  order them and I meant it when I said it

  mm-hmm quite a few people have hmm not

  like an embarrassing number just like a

  nice number enough for me to feel like

  the project was like worth doing because

  if no one ordered any and I was the only

  person who owned a pair it would feel a

  bit stupid but knowing that our other

  pairs out there a nice modest number of

  other people wearing them it feels like

  we made a thing that was nice so I'm

  really happy with how it's gone do you

  have an estimated shipping date for the

  sneakers do you know when they

  to be out in the real world I don't

  think it's going to take that long I'm

  going to close off like this round of

  orders shortly just so I can get the

  factory to start making them I wouldn't

  visit at the factory by the way I'm

  going to get the factory making them and

  then I'll I'll keep orders open for a

  bit longer for a second batch because as

  people start seeing pictures of them

  they might think oh I think I want a

  pair but like I said don't feel that you

  need to have them I think it's just

  basically the shoe enthusiasts and

  sneaker heads have spoken and they're

  the ones who've gotten themselves a pair

  so I'm happy that they're happy I'm

  happy they're happy as well it's been

  really nice crazy Brady project made

  real we have been sent the coolest thing

  we have ever been sent we get sent some

  weird stuff to the hello internet post

  box yeah

  we again you get sent some weird stuff

  to the hello internet post box the very

  very weirdness of some of the things

  that you get sent is the very reason I

  do not have nor do not want a Hello

  internet post box by me like let you

  deal with all that stuff that shows up

  there has been some weird stuff but this

  thing is so awesome mm-hmm

  it's going to blow your mind oh really

  now this has come from someone you will

  be familiar with because when I finally

  have the hello Internet medals of honor

  struck and that there is another project

  that is ongoing that there has been

  progress there by the way that needs a

  name gray what about for the Medal

  project I'm sorry I just I have to stop

  here Brady because when you were talking

  about the Penguins I didn't want to say

  anything out of pure politeness but I

  was thinking about those medals in the

  back of my mind I was like I wonder if

  Brady remembers those I wonder if he

  forgot about those medals no no there

  are ongoing discussions there's work

  being done on this project this is not a

  forgotten project but it hasn't got a

  name maybe that's what's wrong it hasn't

  got a name so you want to give it a name

  ah first thing that comes to mind

  project Vulcan feel like they're being

  forged yeah alright yeah yes okay we can

  find something better later but you know

  just for now okay working title Vulcan

  yeah there yeah anyway when those medals

  finally are forged

  somewhere in the bowels of the mighty

  black stamp I'm assuming mm-hmm

  the first recipient is going to be a

  chap named Chris and Chris will be

  remembered by longtime listeners as the

  person who used to work near Air Force

  One on the stairs hmm and and used to

  listen to hello Internet while driving

  the stairs for Air Force One or sitting

  in the stairs for Air Force One waiting

  to join them yeah he was very clear

  about not driving the stairs while

  listening exam very important exactly

  very important to not get him fired so

  Chris has raised the bar with with a

  special gift that he sent us I'm going

  to send you a photo gray so you can see

  it so I got this huge box is this what

  you're looking at is a framed hello

  internet flag an alien gear flag and

  underneath the flag is a certificate of

  authenticity which I think's acute touch

  but which also has the purpose of

  explaining what the flag is and I'll

  read what the certificate says to you

  okay it says this is to certify that on

  August the 6th 2016 this hello internet

  flag was flown onboard vc-25 tail number

  two eight zero zero zero

  callsign Air Force One from Joint Base

  Andrews Maryland to Otis Air National

  Guard base Massachusetts so this this

  hello internet nailing gear was flown

  aboard Air Force One Wow

  which i think is pretty cool that is

  pretty cool but like as if that's not

  cool enough Chris was then because Chris

  is obviously a member of the Armed

  Forces and he was deployed elsewhere no

  longer works with Air Force One and he

  was sent to Afghanistan mm-hmm so we

  can't say exactly what and where and

  what he did for for operational reasons

  hmm but it did also fly on a c-17

  Globemaster 3 and ac-130j cargo and

  passenger aircraft used by the Air Force

  and then it was dragged from pillar to

  post around Afghanistan Wow

  I say I'll send you a picture of Chris

  holding the flag while deployed in

  Afghanistan so this this flag

  had some adventures that looks like a

  flag and deployment that's for sure yeah

  holy cow

  big gun as well all sorts that's a cool

  picture so they say there we go this is

  a very special Nayland gear flag that

  deserves full respect and should not be

  allowed to touch the ground and I won't

  touch the ground because he's had it all

  framed up and the thing that's

  interesting was he sent it from

  Afghanistan so he had to find someone in

  Afghanistan to do all the framing for

  him and it's been amazingly well framed

  by really professional so in some

  village somewhere in Afghanistan he's

  taken in this flag and said can you

  friends and then he sent it from there

  to me here in England mmm-hmm if this

  flag could talk the stories it would

  tell hey it's amazing this is this is


  okay I always love seeing the nailing

  gear flag flying in crazy locations but

  this really is a step further that is a

  certificate of authenticity for Air

  Force one and that's fantastic and in

  this big box as well like it was full of

  treasures mm-hmm good sent to you I'm

  embarrassed to say he also threw in the

  box as a little as a little wink-wink

  extra and it's perhaps the thing that

  excited me most a whole bunch of packets

  of official President Obama peanut M&Ms

  you know with the presidential logo and

  stuff on them that you always hear about

  so I've got official president M&Ms wait

  I don't I don't know what do you mean

  that the president has an individual

  logo or you just mean the president's

  logo no they make M&Ms and I also make

  Hershey Kisses they make like little

  packets of M&Ms for the president and

  they come in like a little box with I

  have never heard about this have you

  know heard of this it's like a big deal

  is that the sound of opening yeah

  presidential M&Ms there Brady yeah and

  here's the sound of me eating them

  they're very old so I probably shouldn't

  be doing this P here we go so it's it's

  a Fox of M&Ms with the president's logo

  and the president's signature below it

  yeah so you have Barack Obama signed

  presidential M&M Box I've never heard of


  so is this something like they just pass

  out on Air Force One I guess I think you

  meet the president sometimes you get

  them and they're like a little souvenir

  yeah when you meet the president he

  shakes your hand and he gives you like a

  little wink and he slides you a box of

  heaven hams as a little chocolate reward

  I think that's kind of how it goes okay

  I bet it has a stir stuff about it and

  I'll send you one other thing that was

  in the package which was also really

  interesting it looks like those Hershey

  kisses have a little American flag

  wrapper the best flag the most love flag

  in the world fantastic we'll come to

  that in a minute no it is best flag most

  love flag so the other thing and I've

  just sent you a picture and these are

  like velcro patches which have had

  embroidered on them mmm one is the

  nailing gear and one is the H I'll oh go

  well you really did get a box full of

  goodies I did but the thing about these

  I said what are the pot with these

  patches all about and what these are is

  in the military you have unit patches

  that you wear on your uniform that most

  people also sneak on what they call

  morale patches hmm which are usually

  something he says in his email which are

  usually something crude funny meaningful

  or all of the above the Afghans on base

  make custom patches so I thought it

  would be cool to have the HIV egg and

  logo made not the best quality but

  unique so these are morale patches that

  have been made in Afghanistan by Afghans

  on the base for for our soldier I gotta

  say I think in particular the nailing

  gear makes a pretty badass morale badge

  I guess that looks pretty awesome it's

  cool it's cool so all these pictures of

  this stuff are in the show notes for

  people that want to look at them and

  they're well worth a look it's


  I'm glad you enjoy getting boxes of

  treasures Brady when the operation

  project working total volcán comes to

  an end not only do I think Chris has to

  get a medal he has to get whatever the

  next one up is like with a cluster of

  acorns or whatever they whatever the

  upgrade is on a medal of honor yeah I

  have to say this stuff is absolutely


  thank you yes thank you thank you very

  much really enjoy it really enjoyed all

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  supporting the show we talked about was

  the American flag the most loved flag in

  the world mmm by its people mmm

  have you seen a lot of feedback on this

  gray if you had any thoughts I think

  some people sent some things in write

  some limp noodle kind of responses of

  like oh I think people really like the

  flag of Denmark oh there's lots of flags

  in the Isle of Man but like as far as

  I'm concerned the volume of responses

  that we got is an indicator that the

  American flag truly is the most loved

  flag in the world because if I think we

  were doing it in the reverse way if we

  were saying something like oh the Union

  Jack is the most loved flag in the world

  we would have heard from every American

  alive there would have been just a

  crushing tsunami of feedback so as far

  as I'm

  and the limited feedback on a couple of

  minor suggestions of places that really

  love their flag I'm not convinced I

  don't think they anybody really sold

  their point the American flag obviously

  most loved flag in the world I have a

  different perspective oh do you hmm

  because I've seen a lot of feedback on

  this mm-hmm

  lots of people made the cases for

  various flags sort of Canada came up

  quite a bit

  yeah Canada was probably the closest I

  would say no no no no oh excuse me

  excuse me

  without doubt the people who made the

  most noise and you're right because we

  were using America as the start point

  hmm we were less likely to have

  Americans contact us that is a good

  point you make but I'll come back to

  that in a minute but without doubt the

  people I heard from the most and the

  people who made the most voice sephorus

  case were Scandinavians from various

  countries hmm Norway came up a lot

  Sweden a bit and this is backed up very

  much actually by the postcard referendum

  because if you look at the front of the

  postcards which we didn't do very much

  during our count for obvious reasons

  yeah many many Scandinavians sent

  postcards that were just various photos

  of their Flags mm-hmm and when I go

  through them now for the podcast

  postcard website I'm always seeing

  Scandinavian Flags hmm but amongst the

  feedback we got and you mentioned it

  without doubt Denmark came up the most

  often yeah that was the one that I saw

  the most of I think Danish people

  definitely love their flag I've been

  I've been looking at a little bit and I

  can see various reasons for it one is

  and I didn't realize this apparently it

  is the flag that holds the record for

  being the oldest continuously used

  national flag hmm which is I can see why

  that's something that would take some

  pride in mmm I think Denmark has a fair

  claim to it definitely anecdotally and

  you can read a lot about it and it's got

  a name and they talk all about it

  so maybe Denmark maybe Denmark when it

  comes to the United States definitely

  their Flags a big deal no no no I'm not

  going to argue against that but for me I

  could be wrong about this but I feel a

  little bit like with Americans Americans

  just love America so much and love being

  American and they're kind of frustrated

  that they need to find a way to show

  their Americanists

  that's what they use the flag for so

  like I sometimes think that kind of over

  love of the American flag and American

  flags everywhere is is not so much a

  love of the flag for the flag itself but

  for just the love of their country

  whereas the Denmark flag love does seem

  a lot more disconnected from being

  Danish and it's just we just think our

  flag is beautiful and it's like got this

  great history and we like using it for

  decorating our Christmas trees and

  things like that like they just like

  their flag it's not you know Jenna

  market where Danish

  let's put Danish flags over everything

  because we're the best country it's more

  just we think our Flags beautiful and

  it's got a great story in a great

  history and I know America has a bit of

  that too but America it's a lot more

  used as just like this device for

  showing their love of the country and I

  think that's an important difference I

  don't know man I feel like you're trying

  to create another category here so that

  you can have a win for Denmark like this

  all like oh I'm going to I'm going to

  come up with this thing about the Danish

  people loving their flag is like an

  independent thing separate from the

  nation of Denmark as opposed to all the

  Americans like I'm not buying your story

  here Brady I do agree with you like

  Americans love the American flag because

  they love America yeah but that's what

  this is right the flag is it's a thing

  it's a literal flag to wave for whatever

  team you're associating with that's what

  it is

  Chris but I don't think that's what the

  Danish are doing I think they're a

  little bit more dispassionate about it

  well and I think they're more just we

  think it's got a great story and we like

  how it looks there dispassion sounds

  like less intense love that's what it

  sounds like yeah this they're they're

  sitting in a cultural museum in

  Scandinavia going quite yes about what a

  lovely flag right but Americans I mean

  they're they're plastering it all over

  everything they've got pants with the


  they've got funny hats I think the

  American love is obviously the most

  intense in the world for their flag I'm

  gonna let it go

  score one for Team America okay you can

  have it

  I don't agree and I think I could make

  more points but maybe we'll save it for

  another day because it's any follow up

  now we talked about what does English

  sound like to non English speakers a

  good way of putting it which we didn't

  put at the time but I think I've since

  seen you put it

  what does English gibberish

  sound like mm-hmm and people sent us

  various videos and gray posted a video

  and I've seen all sorts of things but

  there was one video that was sent by a

  person who I don't know and I tried to

  find out who it was because I wanted to

  thank them but it's been lost in the

  mists of time but they sent me this

  video and I'm so glad they did because I

  has become my one of my all-time

  favorite YouTube videos and I reckon I

  much must have watched it 20 times this

  week it's a song by someone called

  Adriano Celentano and and how would you

  say the title of this song Brady

  oh I'll pass on that yeah you gonna pass

  cuz it spits it looks like a big

  nonsensical word to me but this this

  Italian guy apparently is like a really

  big deal in Italy he's like this famous

  actor director musician singer comedian

  he sounds like he's a bit of everything

  mm-hmm and this video is him it looks

  like it was filmed this clip I've got

  other it looks like it was filmed at

  like some live TV show and yeah

  performance where he's pretending to

  kind of like be a school teacher in

  front of a classroom which are all in

  fact kind of you know dancing women at

  desks hmm and he sings this song to them

  and they sort of sing along as well and

  it's English gibberish it's I read a

  description of it somewhere where it was

  basically he wrote this song from when

  he was and he couldn't speak English but

  he used to always listen to American

  song Zulu and he sort of thought they

  all kind of sounded a bit the same and

  even though he didn't understand that

  they had a sound to them and this is

  huge making the sounds of American songs

  and he sings this song on stage and I

  bloody love it yeah I gotta say I hadn't

  seen this before it is fantastic like we

  got inundated with a bunch of different

  versions of what does English sound like

  videos and all of them are I mean

  obviously I can't actually know because

  I like English is the only language I

  speak but a lot of them it doesn't sound

  right to me or it feels like I don't

  know how accurate that is like I'm just

  not impressed with them mm I would say

  that this video feels like it really

  does capture something and I think the

  fact that it's a song really helped

  yes it's like allowing you to unfocus a

  little bit on the words and go for the

  sounds time

  my head begin to go home Emma stay yet

  because it's a really common thing

  anyway for US isn't it Ted listen to a

  song and not really and like you could

  listen to a whole song and I could say

  da RA what was that song about and

  you're like oh I don't know I wasn't

  really listening to the words like I

  know it was in English because I heard

  the odd word and I enjoyed it but I

  don't know what it was about and I

  didn't really hear it and that's what

  this is like it's like you're listening

  to it I can see really good song and

  yeah it's English because he seems to be

  saying the odd word that I hear is

  English but when you sit there and say

  what is he actually singing and listen

  to it word for word

  you realize it's just absolute nonsense

  yeah so it's absolute genius and it's a

  really cool song it is fantastic it does

  have this weird quality of being like a

  generic song like I feel like I've heard

  this song a thousand times but this is a

  new thing the video is also just bizarre

  his mannerisms school girls the whole

  thing has the quality of like am i high

  watching this it's very weird but I

  think that really adds to it and as an

  English speaker this is the thing that

  to me I feel like comes closest to

  conveying a sense of what it must be

  like to hear English if you don't

  actually understand English and it's

  interesting to hear you say that he

  wrote it when he didn't speak English so

  like thinking maybe that's partly what

  captures it as well like he's just

  trying to go for a song that sounds like

  all of these things in the ears so it's

  really fantastic it'll be in the show

  notes and people should definitely check

  it out it's worth watching as well as

  just hearing it is worth watching he's

  apparently his nickname Italy is molar

  Giotto which means the flexible one

  because it is dancing which makes sense

  if you see he's dancing it's quite funny

  but go on great be naughty you're going

  to play a little bit of a higher

  you know as soon as you get out of the

  door every but I'm absolutely oh that's

  fair use that's fair use I tell you I've

  sat here watching it so many times I

  love it I love it

  you know CPR demand or every mother's

  alive PPO so great I've got a bit of

  follow-up that dates back to there must

  be one of our first-ever episodes where

  we talked about electricity in bathrooms

  oh yeah do you remember this not really

  no I was kind of banging on about

  electricity I got even what we were

  doing but I dare to say like just as a

  slight side down here we have definitely

  reached the point where just the past

  couple days on Twitter people were

  sending me things that were obviously

  follow-up to the show and have like I

  have no idea what you're talking about I

  want you reverencing right is like we've

  done it so long I'm getting follow-up

  items for things like I don't remember

  what I could have ever said on this

  topic but obviously we discussed it at

  some point in the past so this is

  definitely falling into this category of

  like electricity in the bathrooms how we

  discussed that I'll take your word for

  it well my memory was I was bigging up

  the danger of electricity in bathrooms

  and the danger that people could die

  from the mixture of electricity and

  water and you would you would

  downplaying it that sounds like my

  opinion yeah I'm not going to claim like

  a one-off story changes anything there

  was an interesting news story that lots

  of people pointed out and because it

  involved iPhones as well I thought it

  was worth a nod and that was the story

  of a man in the UK who has sadly died

  while in the bath and he was

  electrocuted by his iPhone which he was

  charging and what I'm immediately

  suspicious of this whole story oh no

  this is totally legit it was like a

  coronal in question that let me put it

  this way it's not that I'm suspicious

  that the story exert like I need the

  details of this I'll give you some okay

  what what exactly happened here he

  plugged the charger into an extension

  cord from the whole way and then rested

  it on his chest while using the phone

  okay so he's not actually using the

  electricity in the bathroom he's

  plugging into the electricity outside of

  the bathroom yeah but I thought you said

  it was I care to have electricity in the

  bathroom in the UK I know there's a

  whole bunch of like weird additional

  requirements about like what electrical

  sockets you could have in the bathroom

  like this additional annoyances about

  electricity in the bathroom at least in

  the UK which

  this guy was obviously circumventing by

  bribing extension cord go use safety

  measures there hell with this so he had

  the phone on his light chest arm and

  hand and part of it touched the water

  and then he was really badly burned and

  really badly injured and he died of

  course so and it sounds like it was

  pretty it was pretty horrific the

  coroner said these seem like an oculus

  devices but can be as dangerous as a

  hairdryer in the bathroom they should

  attach warnings I intend to write a

  report later to the makers of the phone

  okay yeah you yeah you do that buddy

  yeah let's you know if I loved ever

  warning on absolutely everything that's

  what we need more more written warnings

  that nobody pays attention to I mean I

  think this I think this person was doing

  a silly thing but as you know I'm very

  paranoid about electricity in bathrooms

  my question with this and the thing that

  is confusing to me is where is the

  circuit breaker in all of this I want to

  know what was this cable plugged into on

  the other end yeah and wasn't like a

  pirate cable or was it like a legit

  Apple one as well I'm not clear on I

  think the UK fuses it up a bit too much

  like there's a fuse in the plug head all

  right there's a fuse in the circuit

  breaker for your house like then there's

  a fuse for the circuit breaker in the

  room when you tell me that like a dude

  is running a cable out of his bathroom

  into some other thing and he

  electrocuted himself to death I just

  want to know where where was the circuit

  breaker I think bathrooms I'm just

  reading some comments under the story

  now apparently bathrooms even in America

  maybe have these super fast circuit

  breakers ground fault circuit

  interrupters which are faster and which

  are handy for appliances and water and

  because obviously he was circumventing

  that by plugging it in outside the

  bathroom he made matters worse for

  himself so don't plug things into

  electricity and lead cords into your

  bathroom and then put the cord over the

  lip of the bath into the bath full of

  water you're lying in I think is the

  take home message from that yeah maybe I

  just I feel like there's some missing

  piece to this story

  like he was doing something dumber than

  it sounds like just from this

  description I feel like there's a

  missing piece to this I'm not

  encouraging that people do dumb things

  electricity in the bathroom I've heard

  like I'm not on the

  opposite side of that I just feel like

  there's something in this story that is

  incomplete is this nagging feeling that

  I have I don't know if someone was

  charging their iPhone and so ultimately

  the phone was attached in some way to

  the mains electricity and they were in

  the bath and the phone was anywhere near

  the bath I would lose the plot I would

  go crazy if I saw someone doing that so

  you would obviously be a little bit more

  relaxed about it yeah I'd be asking all

  kinds of questions about like Oh to give

  all the proper fuses in place how you do

  okay I wouldn't worry anyway thanks to

  everyone who also sent it to us it shows

  that even things from episode I don't

  know it must be one of the first few

  episodes still coming up people have

  good memories people have good memories

  no it's not that people have good

  memories Brady's that somebody is always

  listening to the show right at that time

  that's what's happening right it's not

  that people remember it's it's this wave

  of people who are working their ways

  through the show from the beginning

  that's what's it going there either the

  day after this podcast goes out or just

  when people are listening to it that

  brexit the official notice is going to

  actually be served supposedly on the

  29th of March brexit is going to happen

  yep for real article 50 speed triggered

  bricks is real this is a thing that I

  was like very wrong about because I kept

  personally thinking like there's no way

  it's going to actually happen I was

  expecting oh there's going to be delays

  and delays forever

  that's just like it's all words words

  words until the thing actually happens

  so this is a case where like the thing

  is is definitely happening and I have to

  say this like of this is this is a the

  most surprising political thing to me

  and it's like well I guess it's it's

  really going to be here and I am

  surprised and I also I also think I'll

  put the link to Teresa's may Theresa

  Mays interview about why Scotland

  shouldn't have a independence referendum

  now we look at the time grey no it's not

  the time no now that the time we can't

  have a referendum where you don't know

  what the results are gonna be on the

  other side Brady that would be crazy

  Scotland wouldn't want to do that no no

  not at all Scotland if you're listening


  still saying I think you should run

  right that's still my opinion like get

  out while you can guys you know if

  bricks it hadn't happened hmm

  the campaign for another vote on it

  would already be sort of starting right

  yeah that's another phone just like how

  Scottish independence didn't happen and

  they found an excuse to discuss it again

  in Australia when they wanted to become

  a republic and it didn't happen you know

  talk starts about doing it again and

  stuff and it seems like when when change

  doesn't happen you just start wanting it

  but the minute we voted for change

  there was no correspondence being

  entered into about having a second vote

  on that it's like we're doing it we

  don't do that we're bristle the button

  right now like it's a funny thing isn't

  it's the same with all these things like

  like the people don't accept the umpires

  decision and then until and then when

  the umpires decision goes a certain way

  we like we all go crazy so there we go

  we're leaving the EU so I still haven't

  applied for my Irish passport I must do

  that I forgot you were going to do that

  yeah yeah my wife is busy working

  through some UK citizenship papers like

  Justin kicks um so yeah now we're trying

  to or just have like working on a

  contingency plan just in case so try to

  make things nice and smooth I find it

  amazing I find it amazing that you start

  two-year process to leave and start the

  negotiation with like no there's no

  safety net or anything that's just like

  you you're in the I can't imagine being

  in a weaker negotiating position than

  the UK is in like they're in there in

  like such they got nothing I know

  they've got is we buy a lot of German

  cars that's all we've got and like you

  know I don't think Germany's gonna give

  us you know and Germany's that hasn't

  got the final sad anything anyway so but

  that's the only argument I ever hear for

  Europe giving us any anything at all is

  are they kind of need us because we buy

  a lot of cars we don't buy that many

  cars no it's it's astounding UK does

  seem to be in a terrible negotiating

  position ah like the worst ever

  but too recently is still super


  I hope she's right you know I hope she's

  right I want to be really really wrong

  on this I want that UK to do amazingly

  well as an independent wales glint like

  i hope

  fantastically I think Teresa Mays in

  such a strange position because I don't

  think she's that passionate about it

  like she was never she wasn't pro brexit

  before the election but obviously it

  made her prime minister because Carolyn

  went it's a bit like if you it's a bit

  like if I made a youtube video about

  clouds mm-hmm and it got a hundred

  million views and I began I began and I

  became the cloud guy Brady Haran the guy

  that made the hundred million view cloud

  video what's he going to do next and

  suddenly I would find myself having to

  be like a cloud youtuber right and all

  my videos are about clouds cuz it's what

  made me and that's what's happened to

  her she's like I know people that's

  happened to essentially yeah this really

  does happen on YouTube like yeah what

  yeah this is you forever now you become

  you become known for something so and

  that's what's happened to her it was

  cheap bricks it is her clouds video and

  now she's like she has to just go all-in

  yeah yeah it made me prime minister I

  love bricks it we're gonna do it we're

  going all the way even though she's not

  that into it it's gonna be a fun two

  years I'm sure it's gonna be car wreck

  six months top will have it all wrapped

  up negotiations will be done nice bow on

  top of it the EU will be very happy to

  work with us on all of our demands it's

  going to be fantastic oh well you could

  always move back to America it's great

  over there or I can move to the EU

  you've got options there's no more

  english-speaking countries in the ae4

  there for you though is there Ireland

  Ireland speaks English oh yeah and the

  Netherlands speaks English much they

  speak better English than us yeah

  finally whenever I go there as far as I

  can tell everybody speaks English yeah I

  like touch people yeah Dutch people are

  the best yeah hoggle slug fantastic two

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  should mps members of parliament in the

  UK be allowed to have second jobs

  because they do okay but but the reason

  it's become a story in the last week or

  two is the former chancellor of the

  exchequer like the treasurer guy called

  george osborne has just become funnily

  enough the editor of a major newspaper

  in London he's look growing industry

  yeah he's been appointed editor of a

  newspaper which in itself is full of

  weird conflicts in there so I think

  until now that until now I think people

  have been kind of all right about MPs

  having other jobs if they're like a

  doctor or a lawyer or something but this

  one like I think was a step too far so

  that's the whole issue into the

  spotlight but I find it completely

  strange anyway that members of

  parliament can even have other jobs like

  it just says to make like being a member

  of parliament doesn't shouldn't be a

  part-time job to me it just makes it

  seem like it's just a big soft job

  anyway that you've got time to go and

  you know you should be representing your

  constituents and going to Parliament and

  debating and voting and writing jobs and

  really sorry you're so charming I feel

  like I want to pat you on the head like

  oh isn't that sweet like how much I mean

  every everybody like has a bit spare

  time in their job and daus's a bit but

  actually having whole other jobs mm-hmm

  like you know if I employed someone as

  none as a you know a full-time filmmaker

  for me and I found out on the side they

  were also running a law practice I'd be

  like I got a second what I thought you

  worked for me so like to do it so

  brazenly so I don't know and the

  counter-argument is they think MPs need

  to be diverse and understand the

  the world works and therefore you should

  just have career politicians

  you should have people who know the

  world so you want to encourage people

  who have other jobs but that's okay I

  want people to come from an interesting

  background and have experienced the

  world but the day you get elected I

  think you should put that job on hold

  and be working for the people for at

  least four or five years

  okay so here's question I don't know the

  answer to this are there term limits for

  MPS in the UK No okay so you could you

  could theoretically be an MP for the

  whole rest of your life yes huh

  because I was thinking like oh if

  there's term limits you know you have to

  have you have to be prepared for the day

  that you get voted out of office they

  get great pensions I you know even if

  they only one term though this they've

  got a good pension for life they'd taken

  care of yeah but I bet like I'm just

  gonna I'm just going to suggest that

  perhaps the kinds of people who become

  politicians are ambitious people who

  like to do stuff like I think that has

  to just be part of your personality you

  know no matter what you might think of

  any particular politician I don't think

  that they're a bunch of lazybones

  all right so you're saying let them have

  their cake and eat it too well if

  there's no if there's no term limits I

  think that actually does make things

  ever so slightly different but I don't

  know I I'm kind of with you I feel like

  it's mostly an indication of what I

  would kind of suspect that at least in

  the UK like being a member of parliament

  it's not actually a lot of time it's not

  it's not taking up 70 hours a week if

  you're also being a doctor on the side

  right you're you're keeping up your law

  practice I mean I guess what I'm

  wondering here Brady is are you are you

  going to be running as an MP and you

  want to know if you can keep your

  youtube job on the side I think if one

  of us was going to become a politician

  it would be you I think I think you

  would be better at it

  ie I could not disagree with you more I

  would be the worst politic like no you

  would be a better politician than I

  would without a doubt no question about


  you're such like you're an affable guy

  everybody loves Brady you know you

  shake people's hands you get stuff done

  you like you're literally creating

  manufacturing jobs in the United Kingdom

  with the production of shoes III like

  thank you sure yeah I would god I might

  get voted in Northamptonshire now yeah

  yeah I if you're you're halfway there

  already I'm surprised you haven't been

  elected or I couldn't be a politician

  why why do you say that I'm too

  passionate it's in that that seems like

  it's a it's an advantage you get to give

  like a 5 year to ask fiery questions

  during prime ministers but I know it's

  like but you also like you get asked

  questions and I'd give the wrong answers

  and you're thinking I don't politic I'm

  not yeah I'm not careful enough you're

  like more careful yeah see this is where

  I have a totally disagree with you I

  don't think that's the case I am

  terrible with people I am not good at

  negotiating I'm not good at working with

  people you are good at negotiating and

  you're not terrible with people like you

  don't like it but when you have to do it

  and like you know you go and give

  yourself a little psych up in the back

  room beforehand this is a Julia which

  when you actually step out and do it

  you're very good you're very charming

  you're very entertaining and people that

  you know people like talking to you

  so you just have to give yourself you

  just you just have to go and give

  yourself a little psych up each time or

  like have a little little nip of vodka

  or something

  Charlie either that sounds like a great

  start to a political career

  we Winston Churchill in no time maybe no

  other of us can really be politicians

  iced I I genuinely think you could do it

  no I think if you put your mind to it

  you could do it Brady I think because

  you also have to get elected someone

  someone could cut together 20 seconds

  out of this podcast I'd be the most

  unelected person ever hmm what do you

  think about teachers ad teachers they're

  basically babysitters crossed with

  prison guards like okay whomp like there

  goes a huge fortune yeah I guess you've

  got some pretty bit of positions on a

  few things but I'd be a problem

  I'm sure the news media would love me

  right oh the news I don't read it this

  word looks like a great I can't wait for

  all the good stories that are going to

  come out to me in the media so that's

  why I wouldn't have it I wouldn't have a

  chance in the world of being a

  politician and I also think I would be

  too absolutely

  terrible at it mmm Lana but for Brady I

  think really could do it so sports ball

  corner we didn't do one last time so

  yeah we don't do one every time I think

  this one has a better chance than usual

  this one I think I think so because well

  a it doesn't involve bowls and secondly

  it doesn't involve the shaggy dog story

  or a specific story okay it's more just

  a general opinion all right because

  there's been a lot of horse racing on

  lately and horse racing is one of the

  few sports that I I don't even consider

  it a sport are there a lot of bins with

  horse racing like is there yeah there's

  like a peaks this is like peak season so

  we just there's just being a thing

  called the Gold Cup in Cheltenham and

  stuff in the UK but aspire bias it's

  it's been one of the big horse events of

  the year so it's been in my face a bit

  and let's take all my usual sport

  sources like radio stations I listen to

  in the car and stuff have been like

  deluging me with horse racing which I

  don't like because I don't think it's a

  sport but I see a slight hypocrisy in

  myself because I do consider motor

  racing a sport and I love Formula one


  but I can imagine some of the same

  arguments that are used against the car

  racing thing how sporty that is versus

  horse racing where do where do you place

  horse racing and car racing on the

  spectrum of things that you consider to

  be sport whatever sport means horse

  racing seems like more of a sport at

  least for the horses than car racing

  well okay yeah for the horses I wasn't

  really thinking the horses perspective

  yeah but they're the ones doing the like

  they're the ones doing the work well

  they're not the ones getting all the

  nice things it's not about that nice

  things but it's like this sport right

  it's like a physical contests you know

  they consider horse racing to be just

  like a horse sport and we're just

  where's watching but I don't think the

  horses know they're competing against

  each other I don't this it's not

  relevant is that not relevant the horses

  the horses could lack consciousness at

  all and I think it would still be a

  sport right it's like a physical

  competition between so we're forced so

  if at the end of the month I said guess

  what gray I just beat you in the donut

  eating contest I ate four Donuts this


  you ate three and you're like I didn't

  know we were having a donut eating

  contest I'd say it doesn't matter I

  still won like you have to know you're

  competing for something to be a contest

  otherwise it's not a contest like okay

  when I'm thinking I was I thinking like

  greyhound racing you know where they

  chase the little they chase the little

  rag yeah well I don't don't start me on

  that I don't think that's a sport I like

  but I know people do but I have the same

  problem with it like it so but you

  consider horse-racing more of a sport

  than car racing yeah more of a sport for

  horses right but less of a sport for

  humans probably well I mean you

  obviously know horse racing has jockeys

  don't you and trainers who train the

  horses but yeah yeah that yeah there's

  trainers there's there's jockeys hmm I

  feel like the rare times I have ridden a

  horse I'm very sore afterward so it's

  obviously a physical activity it's not

  like you've ridden a horse I can't

  believe you've ridden a horse listen man

  I've ridden horses you know where have

  you ridden horses you know where you up

  where you ride horses don't you don't

  you worry about it look you know maybe

  when you last ride a horse when did I

  last ride a horse uh-oh I could probably

  actually pull up the photo of when I

  last wrote a horse I'm gonna say about

  nine years ago it was the last time I

  rode a horse god I was a little kid last

  time I was on a horse like I was like

  yeah but were you want like a horse or

  were you on a pony like did you take was

  like I was on a horse but they were like

  four of them in a row tied to each other

  I'm not no no no I've never like ridden

  a horse like beyond just walking around

  like like a sandy track inside a fence

  I've never ridden a horse properly I

  think I have no it sounds like you and I

  had very different upbringings I've

  written an elephant I have not written

  an elephant I remember riding elephants

  and I was about to go on this elephant

  ride and at the start of the ride they

  gave us like this huge bunch of bananas

  and said you can go and feed the

  elephant so I'm like oh because you're

  such a nice elephant you're about to

  give me a ride I'm gonna give you lots

  and lots of bananas so I must have given

  this elephant like the 40 bananas and I

  don't know that's like nothing for them

  and just as I was giving it the last

  banana and it was taking it

  it was like taking my final banana and

  eating at this big lovely greedy

  elephant they walked up to me with this

  like second elephant that was like

  desperately reaching out trying to get

  my last banana but it was too late the

  other one had got it

  and it turns out this second elephant

  was the one that was taking me on the

  ride and this other one was just the one

  that sits there and eats bananas because

  it's nice and tame and the poor one that

  was doing all the hard Yakka got no

  bananas that I feel sad just listening

  to that story

  yeah this this just that I've never seen

  a trunk look sad but it was quite

  impressive so when was your last horse

  ride he found the picture uh I wasn't

  actually looking but yeah I think about

  nine years ago that's probably not right

  where were you uh I was out in Arizona

  or New Mexico somewhere did like a like

  a trail ride on a horse what kind of hat

  were you wearing uh the coolest cowboy

  hat imaginable did you really wear a

  cowboy hat

  I must have yeah cowboy hat boots champ

  cappings chaps for the stirrups yeah did

  you have a less oh yeah yeah I had a

  less ooh as well there's all the all the

  horseback riding gear it was great you

  chewing tobacco no no it's out chew

  tobacco that horse out know this look

  I'm not just making up stuff here and

  there would beat you in tobacco no

  that's cool man

  but anyway back to the main point Oh

  racing sport for horses yes that's

  that's my verdict here okay I don't

  think this the horses need to know

  they're competing for it to still be a

  horse board all right so the other thing

  I wanted to bring up and this is another

  thing that's been in the news bit lately

  weird where do you stand on eSports

  because this is there's been a lot of

  debate lately about whether eSports or

  sport or not because some some like the

  world's best eSport computer game person

  recently got like the same high-level

  exclusive visa for the US that athletes

  get yeah the eSports thing I find kind

  of fascinating why am I not surprised

  well no just to be clear I don't

  actually really I don't follow esports

  in any way what I find

  fascinating about it is that it has all

  of the trappings of real sports right

  like there's something endlessly

  hilarious to me about watching say a

  Starcraft game and hearing that like the

  sports commentators doing like the

  sports commentator voice and and it I

  don't know there's something that's

  super funny about that to me I think

  that's a much more interesting question

  than the than the horses because I feel

  like you need to have some kind of

  physical components to a sports and if

  you've ever seen what the best in the

  world eSports guys are doing I think you

  can make a real argument for it's a

  tremendous physical skill like their

  their ability to manipulate the keyboard

  and mouse it's like it sounds like a

  joke but I'll try to wrestle up some of

  these videos like right now and I have

  like go down ring they have good

  reflexes and yeah I don't so much buy

  into the argument that people like to

  make that I have to be super fit you

  know and exercise Lots because so that's

  the peak condition I'm in and I get

  that's legitimate but I don't really

  agree with it but yeah I agree they have

  like like really good reflexes and

  coordination which is two things that

  make someone good at sport and they like

  have good and there can be quite

  tactical to be honest like when you

  first say eSports and computer games to

  me I like kind of scoff and don't think

  it's sport and really that is what I

  think but whenever I read like a written

  argument where the two cases are

  outlined and I've read a few different

  arguments about is that are they sports

  people or not I always land on the side

  wall they kind of are really it's kind

  of you can't really argue

  of you can't really argue

  that when you look at some other people

  who are considered you know because I

  consider sort of you know snooker

  players and darts and that I consider

  sport even though the people playing

  that aren't exactly wonderful specimens

  and I find it hard to allow allow myself

  to consider that sport and then not a

  games I guess the only difference is

  like a basis like a like a sort of a

  physical reality like I know they exist

  in reality and they're hitting keyboards

  and buttons and things but the thing

  they're playing doesn't exist in reality

  whereas even a big fat darts player with

  a beer at least they're still a dart is

  still hitting a board or a snooker ball

  is still hitting a table so I times

  wonder whether or not I should eSports

  should fall into a similar category to

  someone who's really good at Scrabble or

  monopoly or other games because there

  again people can be very good at it

  but not but the thing they're playing is

  a bit more abstract so that's the one

  thing where eSports starts falling down

  for me is the the true the true the true

  crucible of where the competition is

  happening like where the where the

  rubber meets the road

  Lou isn't a real physical place yeah

  that's the one place that's the one

  definition where like it starts to not

  quite feel like a that's physical sport

  to me even though a real thumb is

  hitting a button mm-hmm like with the

  real the real place where the clash is

  happening and the and the things being

  decided is is more is a bit too abstract

  yeah there's a layer of indirection

  that's occurring here and I can see that

  being an argument against it now though

  again I don't follow esports for like

  for the same reasons I don't follow

  regular sports like for the most part I

  just I'm just my mind is not interested

  in this kind of thing but I do to say

  that that level of indirection is

  actually what makes it way more

  interesting to me for the the few things

  that I have seen when I occasionally

  click around and watch some videos I I

  love the fact that for example like some

  of the biggest ones are variations on

  essentially the a capture the flag kind

  of game this is like a league of Legends

  there's a

  there's games that are like this where

  there's two teams three players on a

  team and they're doing a capture the

  flag game essentially but what I think

  makes it more interesting to watch than

  a regular sport is the layer of

  indirection allows the players to be

  very different things on the quote

  playing field and I think that makes it

  much more interesting than just like oh

  there's ten humans on this side and

  there's ten humans on that side I find

  that makes it much more interesting to

  watch one like the virtual players like

  one of them is ten times bigger than the

  others or like one of them has the

  ability to teleport to a different

  location like I think that makes the

  competition vastly more interesting and

  it is through eSports that I can have

  some appreciation of why people like

  physical sports because I've definitely

  seen like very high level players pull

  off moves in eSports where I feel like

  wow that is incredibly impressive but

  also realizing that explaining to

  someone who is unfamiliar with this game

  why it is impressive is it fun is like

  an impossible task in the same way that

  when sometimes people are describing

  particular sports events to me about

  like look at this impressive thing it's

  like I can't really appreciate why this

  is so impressive it looks like any other

  dunk of the basketball it does I don't

  see what's different about this one

  so like yeah I sort of feel like though

  if you do an impressive move that

  impressive move was still only allowed

  because like you know the game allowed

  or the coder made it possible and

  there's like a there's a hidden thing

  about the code that makes me just that

  little bit skeptical because you know I

  played so many games when I was growing

  up where the code assists people in

  certain ways and doesn't always give

  equal assistance to everyone so there's

  a kind of and I never really know what's

  going on under the hood there is that

  going on you know I remember playing NBA

  Jam as a kid for hours and hours and if

  you were behind the computer would

  always help you catch up and I know not

  every game does that but but I don't

  know does it what's going on that and

  it's the same with horse-racing as you

  know like the world's best jockey that

  wins all this stuff is winning it

  because he's sitting on top of a horse

  that helps him more than the

  next to hims horse helps him so and that

  kind of thing that you're talking about

  is called rubber-banding right where you

  you help the person who's behind ya

  gain and in general most of the games

  that are eSports don't really have that

  kind of thing there's there's a really

  intense focus on the games being super

  balanced and the case this audited like

  the code is audited by someone or that's

  an interesting question I presume that

  the code is audited at the big the big

  championships but like a lot of the

  games are like running through the

  servers of a company who controls it

  like this is like the Starcraft model

  and I know those companies spend an

  enormous amount of time being very

  concerned about how fair the game is and

  how balanced it is alright but when you

  talk about in the real world it's like

  well yeah these these things happen

  because they're running on the code of

  the physics of the universe like it it

  actually doesn't really seem all that

  different to me yeah but in some ways

  yeah but I also know that there's no one

  who can go in and hack the code of the

  universe or do you it was called the

  bi-weekly weigh-in or finish on 5,000 or

  health corner or I don't know what it's

  called but should we do a little health

  thing if you want to go ahead go ahead

  well I don't want this to come across as

  a humble brag but it totally will uh-huh

  yeah no that that's I always feel why

  Brede brings up yeah it is and else

  isn't you have any news right this isn't

  supposed to be a humble brag it's more

  because I just enjoy talking about

  social situations with you but as you

  know I'm going and seeing a personal

  trainer and I'm trying to see him three

  times a week I've been a bit off the

  boil lately but I am getting back on the

  horse at the moment but last weekend on

  a Sunday night because he doesn't work

  on weekends I just felt like I wanted to

  go to the gym you know he's taught me

  all these exercises I can do and I can't

  do them on my own and I just felt

  motivated so I'm going to go to the gym

  and do a workout and lift weights and do

  planks and kettlebells and all these all

  the machines he's taught me to use and I

  went there and I started doing a couple

  and then to my horror it turns out he

  was there doing a workout my trainer

  mmm-hmm and he could see me

  and I totally lost my nerve cuz I

  thought he was watching me and like

  judging me about like yeah

  was I doing the exercises right and

  stuff and then at one point he cook I

  was like doing this like leg weight

  thing and he called out across the gym

  to me how much weight you got on there

  Brody Oh God and I like had to call back

  uh 60 kilograms uh-huh

  and it's like and then I ended up like

  when he wasn't looking sneaking away

  early mm-hmm I was embarrassed you have

  all of my sympathy with this it's all of

  it I have on my phone a text file a note

  where I keep adding all of the times I

  see the trainer that I worked with

  months ago at the gym because I'm trying

  to reverse engineer his schedule because

  I never want to go if he's there and

  I've done the exact same thing of like

  oh if he's there it's like uh I don't

  need to do that last exercise I could

  just go right like it's time to leave

  it's ridiculous it shouldn't matter but

  I am with you 100% and like I knew when

  I was working with this person that this

  was going to be a potential danger for

  future gray that when we no longer work

  together it might be socially

  uncomfortable and past grey

  underestimated how uncomfortable future

  gray was going to be over this because

  it turns out that it's a lot we're

  totally fine I am aware of that same

  thing of like I'm pretty sure he's

  watching me like he knows I'm here

  like we don't work together anymore it's

  like I can't I can't deal with it I kids

  it's it's very awkward I made a terrible

  mistake and I was seriously just

  actually yesterday looking into seeing

  if there are other gyms that are nearby

  that maybe I could switch to when you're

  exercising on your own do you have like

  a really strong bias towards the sort of

  exercises that used to enjoy more and

  the ones that you know you should do but

  you don't enjoy you just don't do those

  ones yeah of course this of course right

  what do you enjoy what ones do you enjoy

  there is no exercise more satisfying

  than the bench press it's bit of an

  attention-seeking one though like people

  look at you when you're doing that I

  don't like doing exercises where people

  are more likely to be looking at

  yeah luckily in my gym that benchpress

  is not in a like a central location it's

  a little bit out of the way but I'm also

  very aware and and when I was working

  with the trainer he's like this is

  probably the least effective thing that

  you could do is like guess but it's the

  most satisfying thing yeah yeah yeah I

  definitely have that bias completely I

  am biased towards the machines that are

  like hidden away where people are less

  likely to watch and also ones that don't

  require any setting up like if you have

  to like adjust the length of straps or

  something because I'm not very

  coordinated and good at that kind of

  thing so if there's anything that

  requires any setup or hooking on a

  different set of handles or something I

  tend to avoid those ones because I don't

  know how to work them and I was always

  quite into sort of cardio fitness when I

  was doing on my own like I'd run on the

  treadmill and stuff like that but now

  that I've been introduced to the world

  of strength stuff and realize I can do

  that without being absolutely naked

  mm-hmm I've kind of turned my back on

  cardio a bit which I shouldn't like I'm

  really biased towards just like lifting

  weights now or doing machines where I

  can then have a break for a minute a

  drink and a bit of a rest so that's not

  good but anyway that's true all the

  strength stuff does have built-in rest

  time yeah I like I like the rest time

  component and I moved a thing five times

  better sit here for three minutes

  yeah recovery yeah my favourite exercise

  is recovery time yeah I have convinced

  myself that recovery time is incredibly

  important yeah based on nothing I had to

  actually really know but it's like there

  is no part of my exercising that I make

  sure to never skip more than recovery

  right don't cut a second off of recovery

  time that's for sure

  I I'm sure I occasionally have admiring

  looks from people going boy that guy's

  good at recovery the way he sits taking

  deep breaths

  one look at that guy busy recovery like

  I don't even know why why this is needed

  to be done I don't know how serious this

  is I don't know what the deal is but

  it's leg up the app says I can't do

  anything now and I am certainly going to

  follow it

  yeah but yeah I'm with you I definitely

  haven't been as much at the gym as I

  otherwise should be and it is in no

  small part because I know the trainer's

  there sometimes but I haven't fully

  figured out his schedule yet so it's bad

  it's very bad I just have to switch gyms

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  we're not talking about Westworld yet

  because I haven't quite finished it and

  I already had watched some so if I

  haven't finished it I'm sure a lot of

  people haven't finished it yet so we

  need a bit longer for me to finish


  but you did watch Sully today yes I did

  watch Sally today do you want to

  summarize what sadly is about for

  someone who has no idea what this film


  about the pilot who didn't crash but had

  a forced water landing in the Hudson

  River in New York City was it 2009

  several years ago whatever it was it is

  his story about flying that plane and

  that forced water landing starring Tom

  Hanks as Sully Tom Hanks as Sully

  yes so Sully himself what's his name

  Chesley Sullenberger he must have been

  pretty happy when he found out that a

  Tom Hanks was playing him do you think

  Tom Hanks ever wants to be the villain

  like the roll-out Tom Hanks because he's

  very good at being sympathetic I don't

  quite say everyman character but just

  like a very sympathetic protagonist for

  your story he's likable yeah he's very

  likable like he doesn't he does the Tom

  Hanks thing very well he's always good

  on camera when I was watching this I

  thought like I wonder if Tom Hanks he

  goes home and he you know like kicks his

  foot against the ground and he thinks

  like why can't I be a villain in some

  movie okay I wonder if he gets tired of

  being Tom Hanks even that film where

  he's like a hit man that kills people he

  was really nice wasn't he he can't ever

  be like a Cruella De Vil right he's

  always had to be somewhat likeable Tom

  Hanks yeah anyway so this was US Airways

  flight 1549 which in 2009 has gray said

  15 yeah hits some Canadian gases that

  took off from LaGuardia Airport lost the

  engines hmm

  Sully decided that along with his

  copilot there what they decide will

  Sully pretty much decide himself they

  weren't going to try and land at another

  Airport they didn't have the altitude

  and the power so he glided down for a

  lovely soft landing on the Hudson River

  and everyone on board survived Miracle

  on the Hudson they call it I thought

  they were going to struggle to make a

  film about it to be honest because that

  whole thing's all over in you know 100

  and something seconds or something like

  it's a pretty short incident to make a

  whole film about I was watching this as

  like Oh

  Brady's assigned me Sully to watch and I

  guess this is the like the movie version

  of an NTSB report yeah kind of isn't of

  my feeling about the

  I can't say I was super happy to watch

  this because to put my feelings upfront

  I felt like the movie alternated between

  periods of being really boring where it

  felt like there was a bunch of stuff

  happening they don't really care about

  and then being like a live anxiety

  attack of watching it sounds like we're

  alternating between like Oh boring

  scenes of people getting on a plane

  where they're trying to make you

  emotionally connected with these people

  I was like whatever I know what's going

  to happen I know movie I know what's

  happening and then when things actually

  do happen it's like my body is an is

  incapable of not completely clenching up

  and feeling anxious over watching this

  stuff so it was that was my experience

  of the movie like boredom with

  incredible spikes of anxiety and then

  boredom I mean I sort of assigned it to

  watch not because I thought you'd

  particularly like or even because I

  thought it was the best film of all time

  but just because you know plane crashes

  and it's a big major motion picture

  about a plane crash and I was curious as

  to how they would do it and what you

  thought about how they did it because I

  thought it would be difficult to make

  and while I don't think it was the

  greatest film ever or even like you know

  one of my favorite films they did it

  better than I expected I liked it more

  than I thought I would but I still

  didn't think it was amazing I did watch

  it on a plane by the way on a little

  screen on a plane which was including in

  his ELF button it also makes me wonder

  if there were any modifications to it as

  a result but I don't think they were

  because they still showed some pretty

  terrible things happening so I can't

  imagine there were more terrible things

  that I was spared because I was sitting

  on a plane mm-hmm I mean I'm going to

  agree with you I wasn't quite sure how

  you could make a feature-length film out

  of this and as far as these things go I

  think they did a pretty good job there

  were parts in the beginning that I

  thought were boring but it's actually

  didn't necessarily feel like the movie

  was really stretched out like they were

  struggling to make know that yeah that's

  what I thought I thought it would feel

  like a stretch I felt like the length

  was right I was never particularly bored

  I thought the pacing was well done and

  like the main there are only a few main

  actors in it you know they're only

  really two main actors in it that really

  countered and they were both good but

  the thing I didn't think was all that

  amazing were like the crash

  concers like they I thought they'd look

  more real like I thought it would be

  look different to all the other stuff

  you see on TV shows like a aggression

  investigation and that but they didn't

  seem that much better than what you see

  elsewhere and I thought you know a

  big-budget Hollywood film would do all

  that stuff better somehow I don't know

  what I have no suggestions to make it

  better I thought I'd watch it and think

  well you know that's what happens when

  you spend a lot of money on a special

  effects of a plane crash that's way

  better but it just seemed like all the

  other ones to me it seemed to look like

  a you know a really good computer game

  this is your problem Brady you are an

  air crash connoisseur you're watching

  all of these things and maybe it was

  also the watching and on a tiny little

  screen on the back of someone's seat on

  an airplane but I was watching it I

  thought it looked all too real practice

  like though don't like this don't like

  this one tiny bit but I'm not a man who

  has seen thousands perhaps tens of

  thousands of air crashes if not tens a

  bit right eating eating popcorn while

  you're doing it so you know excitedly

  this is enough in my experience it was

  much more novel for me I could not pick

  up on all the subtle variations of what

  you're looking for so it was too real as

  far as I was concerned I was I was sold

  on it but this might be the difference

  between watching it like on an iPad and

  watching it on an airplane seats could

  you have watched it on a plane no I

  would never watch it on the plane are

  you crazy

  no I resent a little bit you making me

  watch this movie Brady right because

  this is like not a thing that I really

  want to think about and anytime the

  stuff comes up I feel like I learn a

  piece of information that I didn't

  really want to know hmm

  what'd you learn this time the thing I

  learned this time is that water landings

  are way more dangerous than I ever

  considered them to be I only vaguely

  knew the story of what happened with

  this plane in just the dimmest way which

  is also one of my complaints about

  watching the movie is like the movie

  clearly expects that your regular person

  who actually knows something about this

  because in the first 30 minutes I'm like

  I don't understand what's going on like

  they're referencing stuff like I don't

  know what happens in this air crash that

  you're expecting me to know a movie but

  I don't like I have no idea but the

  thing that the movie eventually did

  explain a little bit more and then fool

  that I am I ended up looking up a bit on

  the Internet as well

  just I just didn't realize that water

  landings are really the last resort of

  what you want to do soft videos of

  planes pinwheeling when they try to land

  in the water oh yeah so I did you watch

  the one off the coast of Africa yeah I

  saw some Ethiopian play that's what that

  was like that's like the famous one yeah

  god that's amazing yeah so I guess

  people who don't know that was a

  hijacked plane at those Ethiopian

  Airlines was it and the basically the

  hijacker said fly me you know to the

  moon and the behind the pilots were like

  we haven't got enough fuel and he's like

  I don't care just keep flying the parts

  like no seriously like we haven't got

  for you and he's like yeah get do keep

  going so eventually it like just had to

  come down and land in the sea but it

  landed really close to the coast where

  they were like swimmers that was filmed

  on a home video with all swimmers in the

  foreground and they almost got it right

  they almost got there like it started to

  land on its belly nicely but then just

  one of its wings tipped to the side and

  caught the water and then it cartwheeled

  the whole plane yeah but it's they make

  the thing about it is it so well filmed

  you sort of see the whole thing happen

  some people survive that like swimmers

  went out and tried to save people but

  yeah a lot of people died - yeah a lot

  of people died so I guess in some

  irrational part of my brain that was

  trying to protect me from thinking about

  this too hard I always vaguely assume

  they're like oh planes must be sort of

  designed to land on the water just in

  case yeah like I think that's that's

  what was in the back of my mind is like

  oh there must be those boat feet come

  out or is you know it's like it's it's

  look like I should be able to land on

  water they've got quite you know a flat

  underside yeah they have a flat

  underside like a boat yeah don't think

  too hard about how thin the walls in the

  airplane really are and like what the

  whole structure is I don't think about

  that too much

  so I guess I had always just assumed

  that this was a much safer activity that

  it actually was which led me to under

  appreciate how remarkable this incident

  is of landing in the Hudson as a man who

  spends the vast majority of his flying

  time above the abyss of the Atlantic

  Ocean this is now a piece of information

  that I have that I didn't want but now

  is in my brain is that water landings

  are much harder than I thought they were

  so thanks thanks for that breeding so

  let me ask you this is someone who has a

  degree of anxiety about the safety of

  air travel

  was it like having a mother who flew on

  planes all the time because your your

  mother was cabin crew wasn't she yeah

  she was a flight attendant like were you

  worried about her like being in planes

  all the time or like is this a cause of

  anxiety for you and your family or you

  was that not an issue it's not an issue

  because I understand that it is safe to

  do this and I especially understand that

  when I'm in America the drive to the

  airport is vastly more dangerous than

  the flight that's what's going to happen

  like I know this intellectually there's

  just some part of my brain which

  occasionally like wanders over to just

  how far the black ocean is below you

  right when I'm on an airplane I'm not

  saying that this is this is rational

  like I'm perfectly well aware that this

  is just about the safest thing that I

  could do is be flying on a plane I just

  try not to let my brain wander sometimes

  on a flight and sometimes it's just kind

  of like I don't know the way to describe

  it but the best way I could say is a

  little bit like a vertigo feeling

  sometimes just happens in the middle of

  a flight like you're in the air and of

  course for turbulence I'm never a happy

  man when there's turbulence occurring

  this is the difference between some part

  of your base brain that's worried about

  a thing and then the actual like

  rational you who knows that this isn't a

  danger and so that's why when my mom was

  flying I was never really concerned

  because it's like I know full well that

  like flying is an incredibly safe thing

  to do and presumably she's not a nervous

  flier but as someone who flew

  professionally for so long no not at all

  no she totally loved it I did hear from

  a viewer just yesterday actually I think

  this email came in which I thought was

  interesting mm-hmm this person called

  Mark said I feel I should offer some

  service to you I've been listening since

  the beginning of hello Internet and have

  always enjoyed plane crash corner

  I work as a commercial pilot and fly the

  same aircraft type as Sully if there's

  anything you want to know about

  operational considerations how the

  aircraft works or changes that have been

  brought in since the event eg checklist

  orders they were changed let me know I

  just replied with what did you think of

  the film and this is what Mark who flies

  the same plane said I enjoyed it and

  felt it very close to reality we have to

  go on simulators every six months to

  cover emergency

  Sage's and even in there when you know

  something is going to happen there is

  the startled factor that can leave you

  like a rabbit in the headlights for

  people who haven't seen the film this is

  a important part of the film that

  reaction time how long they took to

  decide what to do so he talks a bit

  about that for a while and then mark

  says in terms of the crash portrayal

  that also felt very real with the

  division of duties one person just

  running through checklists trying to get

  an engine started and while the other is

  flying and doing the radio

  communications I said earlier about

  checklist changing Airbus have a button

  you can press that seals any vents below

  the waterline so that it floats that

  button was quite far down so it wasn't

  pressed before they hit the water and

  they started to sink quickly that button

  is much closer to the top now I assume

  he means the top of the checklist hmm so

  I thought that was interesting and thank

  you Mark for contributing yeah that is

  that is interesting I mean you must love

  a bit of checklist rearrangement that

  must be a little bit sexy to you they

  probably should have had a bit more of

  that in the video in the air film for

  you oh yeah no that's that's very sexy

  that could be the sequel Sully to that

  checklist revision checklist so how we

  embody our knowledge of what you're

  supposed to do I always have to give

  like the pilots and the copilot such

  credit because basically I listen to I

  listen to a bunch of the real audio

  after I watched the movie because I was

  curious to see a few things like how

  close does the movie Matt oh what they

  bring you make me say prayer that's what

  I do you go you went down the route you

  went down the plank rush corner rabbit

  oh yeah I did I did get sucked a little

  bit down the plane-crash corner rabbit

  hole like I'm loading up I'm loading up

  3d videos that are recreations of the

  event and I'm getting annoyed at videos

  where they don't have all of the radio

  chatter they may have part and like oh

  your YouTube channel is terrible at this

  recreation Oh

  so yeah I'm motional great yeah yeah I

  got a bit emotional too again with like

  anxiety that I wish I could separate

  from this but I couldn't so thanks for

  that I appreciate it

  the thing that I was really impressed

  with and that I feel like I took away

  from this in a way that I hadn't before

  is I cannot believe how relatively calm

  everybody is on the radios right I can't

  believe how relatively calm the pilot

  our I can't believe how calm the ground

  staff is like everybody is just so

  shockingly calm and professional in this

  process it is just unbelievable to me

  that people can do that it's almost a

  bit disappointing in a way because I

  totally agree with you like not just the

  sully incident where he was a hero but

  even the ones where the pilots are

  villains you know do something wrong I

  notice this all the time in plane

  crashes as well like other ones besides

  the Sully one how much time they spend

  being methodical and going through

  checklists sometimes as they fly to the

  side of a mountain but going through

  check this number it's almost

  disappointing like but also reassuring

  but it's a bit sort of unromantic that

  it's also calm and methodical like did

  you see that Denzel Washington film

  flight where he loses control there's

  something goes wrong with the plane and

  he ends up like you know using his like

  instinct and skills to do something that

  I've never been done before and he like

  flies the plane upside down a passenger

  plane upside down to stop it from

  crashing and that's like the romantic

  notion you have that the pilot will just

  think of some trick or something that's

  never been done before to save the day

  when in fact they just get out a list

  and go one two three four five and like

  either that works or the plot of the

  plane crashes I like to think there's a

  bit of room for a bit of a maverick you

  know a bit of bit of skill and something

  that no one's ever seen before

  who would have ever thought to do that

  what genius but no they just get the

  little clipboard out and go through the

  items yeah but there was a bit of

  romance here Brady because Sully jump

  down a checklist item and turned on the

  auxiliary power like 10 steps before oh

  yeah yeah right yeah did something out a

  sequence yeah but that's like that's

  like that's like the gray version of a

  maverick someone who like skips an item

  in the checklist I'm bringing number

  seven up to three Wow bad yeah I think

  it wasn't he just assumed that those

  engines weren't going to come back

  online and so he was jumping ahead in

  the checklist to do a thing yeah that

  turned out to be true later on so yeah

  that's maverick in action so surely when

  it comes to like sexy checklist people

  being the hero of the day your favorite

  movie must be Apollo 13 well I guess

  yeah whether that's when they said no

  that time are changing the checklist


  to make sure the electricity is below

  the below the voltage you know all that

  we are we need is like a checklist

  montage I know exactly what you're

  talking about

  great scene there needs to be a video

  made like you know ten great checklist

  moments in movies oh yeah

  yeah that would definitely be in it I'd

  put the sunny one in there maybe yeah

  that could be at the end for like who

  here's a different one right because he

  jumps ahead that's the way that would

  work out yeah but Apollo 13 is all about

  playing funny with the checklist to

  breaking the rules we need to along with

  a new checklist yeah but they're going

  through a process to create the new

  checklists how are we going to save

  these people from being thrown into the

  Oblivion of space well we're just going

  to have to rearrange a checklist it's

  ultimately what it's going to be a

  sequence of steps to do a thing you have

  to do it in a different sequence of

  steps yeah so I have a question for you

  Brady yes like there's one main plot

  point of this movie I feel like I didn't

  understand okay which is also it's it's

  real life okay so Sulley saves everybody

  with his forced water landing yeah in

  the movie there's like a chairman of the

  NTSB Council who are investigating what

  has occurred yeah

  and in the movie this guy's like the

  villain who seems out to blame

  everything on Sully yeah for what I can

  assess as essentially no reason other

  than maybe the movie needs some tension

  but I didn't understand was this like a

  real thing is there some actual

  motivation it was this just movie land

  like we need someone to be evil for no

  reason who's then just going to change

  his mind to be like Sully you're a great

  American hero at the end of the movie

  yeah I mean I don't know for sure but

  certainly one of the main criticisms of

  the film that I've read about has been

  that they over egged the antagonism

  between the investigators and Sully and

  it was all a lot more collegial than its

  portrayed and it wasn't quite the you

  know courtroom standoff drama type thing

  so I have the impression that it wasn't

  quite like that and as you have

  suggested it's a that is creating a

  little bit of tension a little bit of a

  G bar G so so I don't know what are G

  bar G

  but I take your meaning I can forgive

  them that I mean they needed something

  what else do you throw into movies to

  fix that so usually you use a bit of

  sexiness in a bit of romance but like

  Sully's just an old boring married guy

  whose wife wasn't in town so like you

  can't have like you know sexy sexiness I

  thought they might bigger like his

  history and his past but they only did a

  few little flashback I think the problem

  they have is I don't know this for sure

  but I think maybe he's just an

  incredibly boring man they had that that

  had something interesting happened to

  him for two minutes that he handled well

  and then they're like how are we going

  to make like a to a two hour film or

  something about a guy who's really

  boring that did something good once for

  right he's not tragically flawed like

  Denzel Washington snorting cocaine

  before flying the plane upside down yeah

  exactly and like you know he was he was

  a bit old and had had a reasonably calm

  boring life he did a good thing and then

  he just got on with his combo boring

  life like you know one of the real plot

  points in the film was what's happening

  with you like your consultancy business

  that you're trying to start and yeah and

  also concerns about his pension yeah

  about his bench and played a big part it

  was like it was it was like yeah old

  people's troubles so it suffered a bit

  from there but don't get me wrong like

  I'll poke fun of that and it's not like

  it wasn't like a gripping film that I'm

  telling everyone they should watch but I

  thought it was a good solid well-made

  film nicely paced about something I

  personally have happened to find very

  interesting of course but I liked it

  what I would be interested to hear what

  you thought about was the end of the

  film how they ended it they just ended

  in the in the courtroom right yeah yeah

  but they ended up like on a corny joke

  yeah yeah that's what it was yeah yeah

  like they said to the copilot or if you

  could do anything what would you do

  differently and he said I would have

  done it in July whatever when the

  weather was better mm-hmm

  and then the film just let hard cuts

  like on this like like Sully does like

  bit of an old man chuckle and then then

  they like cut and it's like it was like

  a really odd ending I didn't mind it I

  didn't love odd and then they had like a

  second ending where they did the cliche

  thing you see in a lot of films where

  the real person appears with all the

  real survivors and they're all having a

  at Orkin and that was that was okay I

  with real life films I'd quite like

  seeing a bit of real life stuff at the

  end see I am an instant credits poser

  right so as like as soon as the movie

  was over the instant those credits come

  up with like great done I'm not waiting

  around for your second thing they showed

  the real Sulley around the wreckage of

  the plane in some hangar somewhere with

  the survivors and they're all having a

  bit of a nice time together and I make a

  few speeches and it was okay it was nice

  look I'm okay with that ending because I

  feel with movies like the same way I

  feel with guests that leaving too soon

  is far better than lingering around and

  too many movies I feel like they don't

  know they don't know how to get out of

  here it's like you've had your day

  Newmont like it's over the main conflict

  is resolved I'm giving you two minutes

  to wrap some stuff up and you got it

  like let's get out of here movie I feel

  like too many too many movies like to

  linger around don't you mash in this

  don't you Martian it I was actually

  gonna go to Lord of the Rings of like

  and then what does Bilbo yeah he going

  it's like Lord of the Rings is the worst

  ever about that the books - there's like

  a hundred pages after the story is over

  a Bilbo wandering around and like saying

  goodbye to everybody and tracing all

  their steps on occasion when I reread

  Lord of the Rings it's like I always

  skip the last third of the final books

  it's like I don't have time for this

  so yeah it's like a sight scene but the

  movie does the same thing the Martian

  did it when my movies when their main

  conflict is resolved I want them over

  done like let's get on with this so I'm

  totally fine with it I'd much rather

  have a movie end abruptly then feel like

  it needs to wrap up everything with a

  nice little bow yeah fair enough

  part of this movie felt a bit like you

  are say a big Civil War fan and you have

  me watch a civil war movie I feel like

  okay I'm watching this for a friend like

  it's not a thing I would ever be super

  interested in but it's well done and it

  is this narrow field of interest

  okay that's fine we're buddies I'm happy

  to do this but I do have to say like

  Wallace is not a thing I would ever

  watch normally on my own I did feel like


  I enjoyed the movie much more than I

  otherwise would have because I knew so

  little about this event and Sully has a

  bit of a corny speech about it at the

  end but I kept thinking through the

  movie like thank God for all of the

  peripheral people around the pilot and

  the copilot the Port Authority guys the

  NYPD the fire department the Red Cross

  like the flight attendants in the cabin

  like everybody I was just so aware of

  this thing that I wasn't really aware of

  from just dimly hearing about this story

  like this pilot landed a plane in Hudson

  and everybody lived yeah it's like this

  was a no joke team effort yeah

  everything had to go right for this to

  work because I was I was unaware of I

  mean the thing that the movie ends on is

  that joke about doing it in July you

  land in two degrees above freezing water

  this is a dangerous situation like the

  plane is going down as well I found all

  of that interesting yeah and also it

  felt like my sort of New York State

  pride coming out all these guys like

  going out there to rescue the crew like

  I just I found that part really

  interesting I was totally unaware of it

  I feel appreciative for knowing more of

  the whole story about this incident and

  it seems like much more of a thing than

  I had originally realized I think if

  there was any part of the film that did

  sort of flicker my emotional needle in

  any way it was that kind of all hands to

  the pump when although the ferry drivers

  and the boat people were just like let's

  get out there let's do it let's save

  these people like you know most of the

  parts of the film I found quite you know

  straight down the line and the plants

  that was supposed to move me didn't

  massively move me but that did affect me

  it was like yeah good on him like I I

  agree with you that was a that was a bit

  a nice part of the film for me too so

  great this talk about endings of films

  and credits and real-life stuff makes me

  think we should move on and end with a

  Brady's paper cut because I've had a

  paper cut that's been brewing for my

  last three or four visits to the United

  States and it came to a head on my last

  visit and it is very much on this topic

  okay I know you don't watch a lot of


  a vision and neither do I and I

  certainly don't watch a lot of normal

  television in America but I have been

  lately and I watch a few channels I

  don't even know what the channels are

  called just TV channels that have the

  dissociate movies yeah because there's

  so many channels in America and I've got

  the place I stays got this Direct TV

  with a hundred thousand channels is this

  is when you're out at the spiritual home

  of numberphile is that what you're

  talking about it I was I was this is an

  empirically so I was flicking through

  the channels and I always I thought and

  one or two channels I always end up on

  that showing movies that I like I could

  talk about how many ads they put in the

  film but I won't I mean that's that's to

  cliched so let's just forget the

  ridiculous number of advertisements at

  inappropriate times I watched a few good

  men while I was there and you know that

  stirring final cross-examination by Tom

  Cruise of Jack Nicholson yeah it's the

  moment you wait for and watch and it's

  so well done they managed to fit three

  commercial breaks into that speech I

  couldn't believe it I don't know if

  you've ever tuned into it but if you're

  watching a particularly bad channel that

  shows movies in America they sometimes

  speed up the movie by just 5% like or 10

  percent hmm and if you if you are a

  person who is sensitive to that it's

  like everything is just slightly higher

  pitched than you would normally expect

  and is like oh ya know the truth yeah


  why do they do that because they're

  trying to fit just one more ad break in

  over a two-hour block all right and they

  and they need to speed it up I did

  notice because I know a few good men

  quite well I did notice them just

  chopping parts of the film out like they

  do cut bits of the film altogether I

  don't even know why you're watching

  movies on TV like what what is this 1985

  like what are you doing I know it's

  weird you know and I know I could just

  like pick up my iPad and watch straight

  away with no ads but there's just

  something about when it's on TV I don't

  know I can't explain it and it's sort of

  background because I'm usually doing

  other stuff and the thing that really

  like does my head in is the way these

  channels treat the end credits of movies

  because obviously this is a dangerous

  time for them because they're worried

  people good people are going to change

  channel this is where they're losing

  their watch time very fast right on

  those audience retention graphs is like

  Zoop right down to the bottom there's a

  few things they've done that have driven

  me crazy

  the first is cutting things out of the

  credits they usually will speed the

  credits up to such a speed that I can't

  believe they even bother leaving them

  they'll go at like you know a thousand

  percent speed blur passed you in like

  five seconds and prison like a legal

  requirement that yeah I guess right like

  you have to show these credits yeah and

  then they go straight to the next film

  or the other thing that they do which I

  hate even more is they run the credits

  but they drop the credits down to the

  bottom third of the screen and in the

  top two thirds of the screen they start

  playing the next movie so you're

  watching the star of the next movie

  while the credits for the previous movie

  are running like on the bottom of the

  screen it gets even more ridiculous

  though because what a lot of these

  channels do is they show the same film

  three or four times in a row so if you

  say are the film I want to watch you're

  starting at three o'clock I must make

  sure I switch on you'll switch on like

  two minutes to three and you'll see the

  last two minutes of the film you're just

  about to watch like you catch the finale

  of the film you're about to watch and

  then they'll shrink the credits down and

  start playing the film again so the

  credits for the film you're watching

  you're watching the end credits for at

  the bottom of the screen and you've just

  seen the end of it I don't understand

  why you're even watching TV like this

  let it go Gracie's what you're doing but

  I can't get over this like I would never

  sit in bed and think what am I gonna

  watch tonight oh I watch a few good men

  I would never do that because I've seen

  that film 15 times and it's never in my

  head but I like it but if I'm cruising

  through the channels and it's like

  halfway through on channel 407 and it's

  the last 20 minutes I'll say yeah if you

  could been I loved the last 20 minutes

  of that film

  I think I'll watch it this is an

  activity that you do you just flip on

  the TV to just randomly find what's on

  yeah I'll usually be doing something

  else you know twittering or editing

  something or working on something else

  and then I'll look up okay I like this

  film so it's such a crazy behavior to me

  okay well it says look I must have

  watched frozen three times in one day

  while I was there I loved that film as

  long as you're happy with the experience

  I guess it's great I got my bomber right

  with it but the other thing that drove

  me crazy in the whole reason you

  reminded me

  it's because of this real-life ending

  they haven't Sully is another film I

  really really like film called The Blind

  Side which is a film about an NFL

  footballer who had like a really

  difficult childhood and like was

  orphaned or something given up by his

  mum after a tough life he got adopted by

  this rich family and they brought him up

  and he became this footballer and it's a

  really lovely film it's a really good

  story it's a really well-executed film

  it always gets me it always gets me

  emotional the final scene of the film is

  they cut to real life and show him being

  drafted to the NFL which is leg of you

  know big moment he's made it he's made

  it to the pinnacle and then during the

  credits and it's the best thing in the

  film during the credits they just run 30

  or 40 family photos through the credits

  where you see all the characters you've

  just seen portrayed in the film in real

  life so you see what they all real

  really look like but not only there it's

  family photos of lots of the incidents

  and occasions and things that were

  portrayed in the film it's one of the

  best uses of like you know real-life

  photos at the end of a film you could

  save in a film so I was watching The

  Blind Side and really looking forward to

  that moment at the end and sure enough

  the end of the film comes in real life

  and they just locked the credits off

  they just lopped it off and started

  showing The Blind Side again from the

  start and left out left it out


  and it was the best part of the film but

  they were like parts of credits people

  weren't watch there and I'd been waiting

  like half an hour for it I just let go

  of the fact that I watch television

  people do it people do it really do they

  I don't understand people do that it is

  a thing is a proper thing just I feel

  like you're you're sitting in a movie

  theater and you want to complain to me

  about oh the crying babies and the

  children running around and all the

  horribleness in a movie theater and I'm

  just like why are you in the movie

  theater like this is fundamental to the

  medium here that's what this is it's

  like oh TV TV ruins a coherent

  experience it's like yeah of course

  that's what they do that's their jobs

  but it's okay to have sometimes you want

  to be a bit brainless and have someone

  else curator I mean the number of times

  I sit in bed and think oh I really want

  to watch something on Netflix and I

  spend the next 45 minutes paralyzed by

  choice and

  unable to decide what to watch sometimes

  sometimes it's good to have that

  decision taken away from you a bit I'll

  give you that that that is fair like

  Netflix analysis paralysis is definitely

  a thing and can sometimes be like all of

  this material is too high quality like I

  do just wanna watch some crap that is

  the thing you know but not another

  Netflix original thank God like I can't

  I can't be emotionally invested right

  now I just I need to be watching just

  some reality show yeah anyway I guess

  I'm sorry that TV stations ruined the

  credits for you Brady so you don't have

  to apologize it's not your fault it's

  not a real apology it's not like there's

  nothing genuine in my voice about that

  I'm not trying to mollify you