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H.I. #79: From Russia with Love


00:00:00   do you remember how to do this according

00:00:03   to the way we're setting up no I don't

00:00:06   remember how to do this do you know what

00:00:08   you setting up took a while and you

00:00:10   stuffed up a few things and you had to

00:00:11   reboot and all that sort of stuff

00:00:13   but in the scheme of things that was

00:00:15   still pretty smooth for you Thank You

00:00:16   Brady I'll take that as a compliment I

00:00:18   guess you're not very good at it

00:00:20   like I think I'm better at it which is

00:00:22   amazing really you are like a

00:00:23   professional with this you're all over

00:00:25   the world you're setting up interviews

00:00:27   with people you're always doing audio

00:00:29   recording I am a guy who shows up

00:00:32   occasionally to record podcasts so it's

00:00:35   always a bit of a like wait what what

00:00:36   was i doing how did this get set up you

00:00:39   can't expect me after what two years two

00:00:42   and a half years how long have we been

00:00:43   doing this I don't know to be a

00:00:45   professional at it I think that's an

00:00:47   unrealistic expectation reading I'll

00:00:49   tell you a story I have to be careful

00:00:50   telling it's because I don't want to

00:00:52   give certain things away but I remember

00:00:55   one time I made this video for periodic

00:00:57   videos which was of a really interesting

00:00:59   chemical reaction really fiery and

00:01:01   explosive was a really cool thing and I

00:01:03   made the video and I put it on YouTube

00:01:05   good for me and then someone who I would

00:01:09   describe as kind of a colleague but also

00:01:12   for various reasons bit of a rival

00:01:14   decided they were going to film the same

00:01:17   reaction mm-hm

00:01:18   and what they did was because they were

00:01:20   probably just a bit less experienced and

00:01:22   for whatever reason I get this email one

00:01:24   day saying dear Brady I recorded that

00:01:26   reaction that you did a few weeks ago

00:01:28   but unfortunately in like the heat of

00:01:31   the moment I forgot to press the record

00:01:33   button uh-huh and this whole thing had

00:01:36   gone off for them they'd been set up for

00:01:37   them had taken all day and they hadn't

00:01:39   filmed it and basically he just had to

00:01:41   come to me like tail between his legs

00:01:43   and said to me could I please just have

00:01:44   your footage of when you did it oh god

00:01:48   okay I've been there you know like it's

00:01:51   a very easy thing to do when you're new

00:01:52   to filming you've got a million things

00:01:54   to think about to actually forget to

00:01:56   press record I've done interviews before

00:01:58   when I was like a newbie at the BBC even

00:02:01   so I just felt the pain and I said man

00:02:03   not a problem

00:02:04   and I just sent it straight to him as

00:02:06   well I get it how he must have felt I

00:02:08   just totally had sympathy what a nice

00:02:10   guy giving footage to a quasi rival

00:02:13   yeah it's complicated to call him a

00:02:15   rival and I can't really go into it but

00:02:17   it's not someone anyone knows like the

00:02:20   games who are listening thinking or

00:02:21   wonder if it's you know what are the

00:02:23   youtubes as we know it wasn't a youtuber

00:02:24   was nothing like that

00:02:25   it was no one anyone knows but it was a

00:02:27   funny story what's the worst thing that

00:02:29   you have forgotten to record you didn't

00:02:31   interview the Prime Minister or anything

00:02:33   and then forget to press record no when

00:02:35   I was very new to I remember I once went

00:02:37   to like an aquarium fish store and I

00:02:39   interviewed this woman for like 20

00:02:40   minutes and then he hadn't pressed

00:02:42   record and I didn't admit to her I

00:02:46   actually said I think that was good but

00:02:48   I think we could have done that better

00:02:49   let's do it again ha ha ha

00:02:52   do you sneaky dog you Brady I would

00:02:55   admit to an F oh maybe I wouldn't I can

00:02:57   imagine times when I wouldn't if it was

00:02:59   it too embarrassing but these days you

00:03:01   know as you get more confident in life

00:03:02   you also get more confident about

00:03:04   admitting your shortcomings so I

00:03:06   remember when I first became a newspaper

00:03:08   journalist in the newsroom and I was

00:03:11   like the new cadet and being given a job

00:03:13   an assignment was a big deal like

00:03:15   Bradley going you know ring the local

00:03:17   business council and find out their

00:03:18   response to this story and you know

00:03:19   given jobs to do mmm I would like wait

00:03:23   till there was no one around or go and

00:03:24   hide in another room to make phone calls

00:03:26   because I was so scared of people

00:03:27   listening to my phone calls and hearing

00:03:29   the interview people and I was so

00:03:31   nervous you know I was just a young new

00:03:33   journalist and I hated the idea of all

00:03:35   the experienced journalists hearing me

00:03:36   phone people up and doing that sort of

00:03:38   thing

00:03:39   I look back now and think that's really

00:03:40   sweet you were white in like an open

00:03:42   office situation and supposed to just

00:03:43   interview someone over the phone

00:03:45   newsrooms are normally quite open plan

00:03:47   things and you know all the journals

00:03:48   will sit around each other like when you

00:03:50   watch on TV it's quite like that there's

00:03:52   lots of noise and phone calls and stuff

00:03:53   going on and everyone can hear what

00:03:55   everyone else is doing to some extent I

00:03:57   was just you know the new green young

00:03:59   kid so I would like go into like a

00:04:01   conference room where there would be a

00:04:03   phone and make the phone calls or things

00:04:05   like that just because you know I didn't

00:04:06   want all the experienced journalists

00:04:08   hearing me ask lame questions or not be

00:04:10   able to handle myself you know like

00:04:12   anyone young and nervous he'll I don't

00:04:14   blame you for that at all I don't think

00:04:15   I could do that talk on the phone in a

00:04:17   big open space where other people isn't

00:04:19   but I'm in my own apartment if I make a

00:04:21   phone call I go into another room even

00:04:23   if just my wife is home it's just it's

00:04:24   weird having somebody else listen to

00:04:27   half a conversation doesn't matter if

00:04:29   I'm just talking to my family or

00:04:30   something it feels like there's a weird

00:04:31   pressure like I'm sorry I'm using the

00:04:33   telephone I have to go into a different

00:04:34   room and close the door I mean the

00:04:36   reality is you don't really hear other

00:04:37   people's phone calls because people talk

00:04:39   quietly into the phone and there's lots

00:04:42   going on like you'd have to really make

00:04:43   an effort to listen to other people's

00:04:45   phone calls or they would have to be

00:04:46   really loud and so you don't hear

00:04:48   everyone else's phone calls but when

00:04:50   you're a young paranoid new cadet

00:04:52   journalist you are scared everyone's

00:04:53   going to be listening to your phone call

00:04:54   and laughing at you sir

00:04:56   anyway it goes away you're a

00:04:58   professional now and you're sure you're

00:04:59   recording this podcast right yeah and

00:05:01   after over I bet something sky and

00:05:03   catastrophic ly wrong and we'll lose

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00:07:10   I think Brady that freebooting has

00:07:14   really made it as an official official

00:07:18   word now whoa

00:07:19   it's not a dictionary is it a dictionary

00:07:21   smidgen arey right like they're just

00:07:23   descriptive like they'll catch up

00:07:24   eventually to the way that the word is

00:07:27   being used I just happen to have in a

00:07:29   bunch of cases come across recently

00:07:31   people using the word freebooting who

00:07:32   would have you know no idea about the

00:07:34   podcast like it spread very far but I

00:07:36   think the real in my mind cement er of

00:07:39   the legitimacy of this word is that on

00:07:42   the Wikipedia page for copyright

00:07:45   infringement there is a section which is

00:07:48   about the terminology like how does one

00:07:51   talk about copyright infringement

00:07:54   because as we discussed in that episode

00:07:56   so many years ago now the word theft not

00:08:00   appropriate because it's not actually a

00:08:02   description of what's happening you

00:08:03   can't really use that word it's too

00:08:05   emotive that's your position by the way

00:08:07   that's not my position now I'm

00:08:10   presenting it as the position Brady

00:08:12   that's obviously where I goes our

00:08:14   difference of opinions on that is what

00:08:15   started the whole free we start with I

00:08:18   think it's the only correct position is

00:08:21   that theft is obviously the wrong word

00:08:22   to use but yeah so on the Wikipedia page

00:08:24   they do run through this the idea of

00:08:27   using the word piracy versus the word

00:08:30   theft and then at the bottom there is

00:08:33   now an official section for freebooting

00:08:35   which I would say as the article on the

00:08:38   Wikipedia is arranged is presented as

00:08:41   the solution the correct way to talk

00:08:45   about copyright infringement and that is

00:08:47   freebooting I think it's fantastic and

00:08:49   you have even been properly credited as

00:08:53   the creator of freebooting

00:08:55   the Wikipedia I think this is the big

00:08:57   time Brady this is like the final step

00:08:58   in the journey of rebooting it's like a

00:09:00   real word now on the Wikipedia is this a

00:09:03   coincidence that you've brought this up

00:09:05   you realize there was naughtiness

00:09:06   yesterday about this I have no idea what

00:09:09   you're talking about you've been off

00:09:10   Twitter haven't you I haven't been on

00:09:11   the Internet in a long time just

00:09:13   yesterday it was brought to my attention

00:09:15   and it has since been corrected back to

00:09:17   what you're saying now mm-hmm but

00:09:19   yesterday afternoon that little section

00:09:23   on freebooting was actually a section on

00:09:25   view jacking and the title was view

00:09:28   jacking you were credited not me and

00:09:30   someone brought this to my attention on

00:09:32   that exact Wikipedia page and I shared

00:09:34   it on twitter i said very funny guys

00:09:36   like look what everyone's done and like

00:09:38   the official word was view jacking and

00:09:40   then obviously when people saw this

00:09:42   someone has gone back in and changed

00:09:43   effective rebooting so just to show you

00:09:46   how unofficial something is when it's on

00:09:48   wikipedia as of yesterday it was view

00:09:50   jacking that's the official word but we

00:09:53   all know freebooting is the real word I

00:09:55   mean look at this I just went through

00:09:56   the history and yes as of a couple days

00:09:58   ago the term view jacking his the news

00:10:00   disconnect the unauthorized hosting of

00:10:03   online really a particular videos this

00:10:04   term was quite by CGP Greg took greater

00:10:08   on the audio podcast hello Internet so I

00:10:11   think we're not quite at the end of this

00:10:13   I feel a bit like the people hanging on

00:10:15   to view jacking a kind of the flag flag

00:10:18   of copyright infringement people but

00:10:20   look I can't take responsibility for any

00:10:22   credit jacking that occurs when people

00:10:24   rewrite things on the Wikipedia out of

00:10:27   my hands I like that this shows why for

00:10:31   all of your sniffing s about old

00:10:33   institutions like dictionaries and stuff

00:10:35   I would not consider it to be a success

00:10:38   until a dictionary takes it up like the

00:10:40   Oxford English Dictionary or something

00:10:42   like that because until they do it any

00:10:44   Tom Dick or Harry can go on Wikipedia

00:10:46   and change interview jacking it has to

00:10:49   be official you need a dictionary and

00:10:50   that's what you need that's what I need

00:10:52   yeah like I accept that it's sort of had

00:10:55   a little moment in the Sun and it has

00:10:56   kind of infiltrated our language a

00:10:58   little bit in fact I was asked to do a

00:11:00   talk about freebooting at VidCon oh yeah

00:11:03   which I declined actually I didn't want

00:11:05   to step on that landmine at the moment

00:11:07   and also I didn't really feel that

00:11:08   much of an expert like just because I

00:11:10   couldn't the word I didn't feel like I

00:11:12   could legitimately sit on a panel and

00:11:13   talk about the legalities of copyright

00:11:16   infringement so I'm just like you came

00:11:18   up with a word I don't know Brady it

00:11:20   feels like you need to be on a panel at

00:11:22   VidCon about freebooting feels like the

00:11:24   world is not right if you're just

00:11:25   sitting in the audience on that oh by

00:11:28   the way ten-second dad I will be at

00:11:30   VidCon Europe in Amsterdam so if

00:11:33   anyone's in that part of the world and

00:11:35   wants to come along and have their

00:11:38   record signed come along I'll be there

00:11:41   you're not doing the freebooting panel

00:11:43   but are you doing any official panels

00:11:44   while you're there in the official talks

00:11:45   yeah I am I'm doing an educational type

00:11:48   panel I can't remember who's on the

00:11:49   panel's they're just educational

00:11:51   youtubers I know Hank green is on it and

00:11:53   like it's got some subtitle catchphrase

00:11:56   like can you fit the universe inside a

00:11:58   YouTube video or something that I had

00:12:00   nothing to do with that name and I'm not

00:12:01   entirely sure what I'm supposed to talk

00:12:03   about but it sounds like a very Vsauce

00:12:05   name yeah Hank's moderating the panel

00:12:07   now and Hank knows what he's doing so

00:12:08   I'm sure to be good and I'm sure

00:12:10   there'll be a decent audience there

00:12:11   because Hank's there so that would make

00:12:14   me feel better I don't know man I think

00:12:15   we're gonna be a lot of Halloween had

00:12:17   fans at a VidCon event so I think you're

00:12:20   going to be a pretty big drive the panel

00:12:21   to breeding no I don't think that but if

00:12:23   they're already Tim's there come and say

00:12:25   hello if you happen to be at VidCon

00:12:26   people are going to be screaming the

00:12:28   audience throwing their underwear

00:12:29   onstage that's what's going to happen

00:12:31   breeding so there we go

00:12:33   so freebooting credit jacking all sorts

00:12:35   of stuff the saga rolls on stay out of

00:12:38   the Wikipedia editing you naughty teams

00:12:40   yeah if there's one thing we know it's

00:12:42   vandalizing the Wikipedia never

00:12:45   hilarious never entertaining I'm opposed

00:12:48   to it great but I'm not so I'm opposed

00:12:50   to although it always makes me laugh

00:12:53   yeah that's right it is course it makes

00:12:55   you laugh right because it's the spirit

00:12:57   of the Internet right it's like the

00:12:58   trickster god here because we have this

00:13:01   thing which is like sort of the end-all

00:13:04   be-all authoritative source on how

00:13:06   everything is in a neutral view in the

00:13:07   world and also can constantly be milked

00:13:10   for the lulz by random trolls like it's

00:13:13   fantastic it is tiring though it's

00:13:15   tiring millions of people all trying to

00:13:18   be funny at the same time it's like when

00:13:20   you put a question on Twitter like and

00:13:22   someone help me what's the national

00:13:23   anthem of something and everyone wants

00:13:25   to reply with a joke and they all think

00:13:27   they're the one person being funny but

00:13:29   when you're the recipient of their and

00:13:30   you've got all these people trying to be

00:13:32   funny it's like for God's sake I just

00:13:34   need this answer like enough for the

00:13:36   jokes

00:13:37   if you catches you in the right mood it

00:13:38   is funny and I'm sometimes that guy I'm

00:13:41   the guy who's always trying to be funny

00:13:42   as well mm-hmm but when you're on the

00:13:44   other end of it I feel like this is just

00:13:46   the fundamental spirit of the Internet

00:13:48   yeah if you're coming to the internet

00:13:49   and you're being really serious about

00:13:51   everything you're gonna have a bad time

00:13:52   yeah I will never not love the kind of

00:13:56   hilarity of internet commenters that

00:13:59   results as this competition to be the

00:14:02   funny person or the person who's like

00:14:04   trying to sneak a joke into an otherwise

00:14:07   serious Wikipedia article or all kinds

00:14:09   of mischief I really think that's just

00:14:11   fundamentally part of the Internet and

00:14:12   will never be rid of it and you can't be

00:14:15   too serious about it and whoever

00:14:16   tampered with Jeff do John's Wikipedia

00:14:19   article and included the line that he

00:14:21   once signed an autograph a renowned

00:14:22   journalist Brady Haran it's bit of a

00:14:24   hero it's still one of my favorites okay

00:14:28   like this was the best Wikipedia

00:14:31   battlestations ever hasn't been changed

00:14:34   yet because the only place that's been

00:14:35   mentioned is on a vinyl episode now I've

00:14:37   mentioned it here on the internet

00:14:38   version it's got I've shot myself in the

00:14:41   foot there although why remove it

00:14:43   because it is true yeah I know I know

00:14:45   like people like serious Wikipedia

00:14:48   editors that deserves to remain there it

00:14:51   is true and it's hilarious and if you're

00:14:53   upset about it add a citation cuz it's

00:14:55   not cited but there is an episode of

00:14:57   hello Internet where I tell the story

00:14:59   about him signing an autograph for me

00:15:01   so can even be cited haha god bless you

00:15:08   and yeah you're the best thing listening

00:15:11   it is for me to bring people up to speed

00:15:15   I have been zooming back and forward a

00:15:17   little bit lately in planes and my body

00:15:19   clocks all over the place I'm currently

00:15:21   in spiritual home Berkeley and it's 6:00

00:15:24   in the morning and I've woken up

00:15:26   specially to do this so I'm a little bit

00:15:28   tired and a bit out of it and I have

00:15:30   just come from Russia before that I

00:15:33   don't know if I'm coming or going so

00:15:35   don't know how well the brain will work

00:15:36   but we'll get there this is so confusing

00:15:39   too because I knew you were doing some

00:15:40   traveling but I vaguely thought oh

00:15:42   you're going to America and then I get

00:15:44   messages from you From Russia With Love

00:15:46   and then suddenly you're somewhere else

00:15:48   and then you're back in the UK and then

00:15:50   you're flying over to San Francisco I

00:15:52   feel like I can't keep track of you at

00:15:54   all Brady I don't know what you're up to

00:15:55   I don't have any idea what you're doing

00:15:57   why were you in Russia I went through a

00:15:59   really good period of three months of

00:16:01   not even leaving the UK and it was so

00:16:03   lovely Wow you know I still had to go to

00:16:06   London and Nottingham a lot but they

00:16:07   just let overnight trips but it was

00:16:09   three months of loveliness with the

00:16:11   doggies and being able to spend time

00:16:13   with my wife and all the nice things but

00:16:16   now I'm entering a period of two or

00:16:17   three months of mad travel all over the

00:16:20   place three months at home that must be

00:16:22   some kind of record for you it was

00:16:23   really nice yeah so anyway I'm in

00:16:26   America now you know doing the usual

00:16:28   numberphile thing for a week actually

00:16:30   just yesterday I interviewed the person

00:16:33   who this is debatable

00:16:36   okay but I would say and a lot of other

00:16:38   people say is currently the smartest

00:16:42   best mathematician in the world

00:16:44   he's like the top gun' he's on top of

00:16:47   everything he's the superstar of math at

00:16:50   the moment I would say he's the greatest

00:16:51   living mathematician there are

00:16:53   mathematicians can live who may be in

00:16:55   their peak were greater and are now you

00:16:57   know coming towards the end of their

00:16:59   days but in terms of current form

00:17:01   current stuff going on I think he's the

00:17:05   man and I got to meet him yesterday and

00:17:07   interview him at MSR

00:17:08   can you see who it is man I'm building

00:17:11   up to it because there's an extra reason

00:17:13   of a bit excited about it

00:17:14   his name is Thierry tau that's a really

00:17:18   good name it is a good name he's across

00:17:20   all sorts of things he's a real

00:17:21   all-rounder of mathematics which is

00:17:23   pretty important these days because

00:17:24   we've gotten to a point in mathematics

00:17:26   now where most of the proofs rely on

00:17:28   pulling from different parts of

00:17:30   mathematics and not just specializing in

00:17:31   one subject and the reason I'm

00:17:34   particularly excited about him is he was

00:17:37   born in Raqqa

00:17:40   Adelaide yes at least pretty much my age

00:17:44   as well he's only like one year older oh

00:17:47   really yeah but you couldn't really call

00:17:50   his contemporaries because he was the

00:17:52   stereotypical super genius and I think

00:17:54   like you know when he was 10 years old

00:17:56   he was at university and all that sort

00:17:58   of stuff right he was like super super

00:17:59   prodigy and he's one of those prodigies

00:18:02   that has gone on to genuine greatness as

00:18:04   well so anyway just for the record

00:18:06   because I know it'll amuse you when we

00:18:09   were setting up and about to start we

00:18:10   were talking a bit about Adelaide and

00:18:12   where he was from and how often he goes

00:18:13   back and somehow I fell down the rabbit

00:18:16   hole and told him the story about how

00:18:17   much I love the black stump and I wanted

00:18:20   to tell black stump stories with him

00:18:21   uh-huh

00:18:22   and I have to say he wasn't feeling it

00:18:24   in my head you are wanting to discuss

00:18:27   the black stump with him while wearing

00:18:29   your black stumpy shirt like let me tell

00:18:31   you about this amazing building he

00:18:33   didn't even remember the black stump but

00:18:35   I was like you know before they built

00:18:36   the state bank building it was the

00:18:38   biggest building in Adelaide and he was

00:18:39   like yeah I remember the state bank

00:18:40   building because it's the biggest

00:18:41   building I'm like no before that it was

00:18:44   the black stop you know say they judge

00:18:45   me man he should have had the same

00:18:47   feelings but he wasn't on board everyone

00:18:49   should have the same feelings that you

00:18:51   do brady that's the way it should be

00:18:52   right I know cuz then I sort of boxed

00:18:55   myself into a corner cuz when he'd

00:18:56   wasn't into the black stamp I felt like

00:18:58   ah because I was then gonna tell him the

00:19:00   funny story about how now I talk about

00:19:02   it all the time and I've made t-shirts

00:19:03   and we would laugh about how right right

00:19:05   but because he wasn't into the black

00:19:06   stamp I was kind of like oh no where do

00:19:07   I take this conversation now I've just

00:19:09   started talking about this building now

00:19:11   he doesn't remember it

00:19:12   I've got no anecdote to tell these

00:19:14   conversational dead ends are always

00:19:16   awful right when you run down like this

00:19:18   false paths with someone else and you

00:19:19   think like we're gonna have a great

00:19:21   bonding conversation like oh no right

00:19:23   now this isn't working at all like abort

00:19:24   abort but it's too late and now you're

00:19:26   trying to like justify the amazingness

00:19:28   of this building that's exactly what

00:19:30   happened and it just got worse and worse

00:19:32   but I have to say he was like a really

00:19:35   really excellent man he was really

00:19:37   generous with his time and polite and

00:19:39   friendly and considering how smart he is

00:19:42   and the mathematical plane he works on

00:19:44   he was a really accessible normal guy

00:19:46   and he also was quite familiar with

00:19:48   numberphile including my controversial -

00:19:51   one-twelfth video about

00:19:53   some of the integers chorus we all

00:19:54   remember that this is in his wheelhouse

00:19:56   this subject like he's written blogs

00:19:58   about it and he was also very gracious

00:20:00   about that I'm sure he could have ripped

00:20:02   me to pieces but he was actually quite

00:20:03   nice about it which made me really

00:20:05   pleased I said you're being diplomatic

00:20:07   aren't you inside he's thinking yes yes

00:20:10   yes I'll just keep this black stump

00:20:13   loving we were no happy so anyway Terry

00:20:15   Tao brilliant I'm still taken aback by

00:20:17   his age because I was going to guess

00:20:19   surely the top guy it's got to be like

00:20:22   in his late 20s early 30s at most

00:20:25   isn't that the reputation and the

00:20:27   sciences and the mathematics that it's

00:20:28   yeah it's just like being a model or an

00:20:30   athlete like you peek in your 20s and

00:20:32   then it's all downhill from there so

00:20:34   this guy's like 2x peak age that's true

00:20:37   that's true and also you'd think in some

00:20:39   ways he's like the equivalent of a 60

00:20:41   year old because he was already like a

00:20:42   Top Gun when he was like 16 or 17 but no

00:20:46   he's still like on top of it and

00:20:48   cracking new things one of the reasons

00:20:50   for that though is he's unusually

00:20:52   collaborative like he's really into

00:20:54   collaboration and works with other

00:20:55   people and he's even got this thing that

00:20:58   you'd find quite interesting actually

00:20:59   he's working on this thing they called

00:21:00   the polymath project it's kind of like

00:21:03   crowdsourcing mathematics finding

00:21:06   subjects that could benefit from loads

00:21:08   of loads of people working on it and

00:21:09   they said I'm like a webpage and

00:21:11   everyone works on little bits and it

00:21:14   doesn't work for all mathematics but for

00:21:15   some problems that works really well

00:21:17   where lots and lots of different people

00:21:18   are doing lots of little different bits

00:21:20   it really pushes things forward quickly

00:21:23   and it sounds like you know it's not

00:21:25   something you and I could do it's still

00:21:27   like you know professional

00:21:28   mathematicians and stuff like that we

00:21:29   can't help out they don't need someone

00:21:31   to run it as an Excel spreadsheet and

00:21:32   some basic numbers I know when you hear

00:21:35   about this polymath and crowdsourcing

00:21:36   you think oh it's my chance to be

00:21:38   involved but it really is for

00:21:39   mathematicians it's just taking

00:21:41   collaboration to the next level there's

00:21:44   this thing called the twin prime

00:21:45   conjecture that there are an infinite

00:21:47   number of primes that are separated by

00:21:49   just two right right and you know no

00:21:51   matter how far you go down the number

00:21:53   line there's always another twin prime

00:21:54   coming somewhere and this guy a while

00:21:57   ago released a proof which was amazing

00:22:00   which proved that there are an infinite

00:22:00   number of primes that are separated by

00:22:03   70 million which was a huge breakthrough

00:22:06   it was like one of the biggest

00:22:07   breakthroughs and mathematics of the

00:22:08   last sort of you know ten years or so

00:22:10   and then that this polymath project and

00:22:12   Terry Tao in particular have really

00:22:14   taken the bull by the horns and they've

00:22:16   been like doing all this new stuff to

00:22:18   bring that number down that bound mm-hmm

00:22:20   and I think they've got it to like you

00:22:21   know two hundred and seventy now and

00:22:24   they're all working on it to try to get

00:22:25   it down to this you know to which is the

00:22:27   Holy Grail so I find that stuff so

00:22:29   interesting and mathematically just

00:22:31   obviously like I can't follow any of the

00:22:33   details of it but just like there's

00:22:34   something really satisfying about

00:22:35   mathematical proofs and I do love that

00:22:38   idea of you can see people working

00:22:42   towards like once you've proven there's

00:22:44   an infinite number of primes that are

00:22:46   separated by an arbitrary number it

00:22:48   feels like oh I can see how that's a

00:22:50   toehold to try to work towards the

00:22:54   solution that you're looking for which

00:22:55   is to get them to separate it by two

00:22:56   yeah it seems like it must be incredibly

00:23:00   pleasing and satisfying work to move a

00:23:03   proof forward like step by step and to

00:23:05   be part of a project that is like

00:23:08   solving this bit by bit I can just

00:23:09   imagine that that has to be very

00:23:10   satisfying for professional

00:23:12   mathematicians one of the really

00:23:13   interesting things about Terry because

00:23:15   I've not really seen this trait often in

00:23:17   mathematicians or I've not often seen

00:23:19   them speak about it so openly but it

00:23:21   makes perfect sense is that his attitude

00:23:23   is pretty much as follows because I

00:23:25   spoke to him about the Riemann

00:23:26   hypothesis which is like one of the Holy

00:23:28   Grails of mathematics and I said to him

00:23:30   are you working on the Riemann

00:23:31   hypothesis and he said no I'm not at the

00:23:33   moment because to me it's like a cliff

00:23:36   that I can't get to the top of and it's

00:23:37   just a sheer flat wall with no way to

00:23:40   climb it but if someone somewhere makes

00:23:42   a breakthrough like you know and

00:23:44   produces a few toeholds and hand holds

00:23:46   that I can grab onto and start working

00:23:49   on I would go to it I'd run to it it

00:23:51   almost sounds kind of mercenary in a way

00:23:53   that he's like this samurai wandering

00:23:56   the world of mathematics because he

00:23:57   knows so much about so many different

00:23:59   areas of mathematics and as soon as like

00:24:01   there's a breakthrough somewhere else

00:24:02   there's a battle going or something good

00:24:04   that he thinks he can get his teeth into

00:24:05   that's what he'll go to and work on

00:24:07   because there's a chance now there's an

00:24:09   opening like he's not like Andrew Wiles

00:24:12   sitting up in a his attic working on for

00:24:14   Mars Last Theorem all his life in secret

00:24:16   he's this guy that's just like doing

00:24:19   things at once and whenever he hears

00:24:21   about a new cool breakthrough that's

00:24:22   where he goes and what he wants to do

00:24:24   because there's a chance now there's a

00:24:25   chance it can be solved or proved and it

00:24:28   was really kind of honest at but also

00:24:29   really interesting that that's his

00:24:30   attitude to it oh you mean it was

00:24:32   refreshing to hear that he's trying to

00:24:34   work on problems that are possible to

00:24:37   solve instead of like reinforcing the

00:24:39   idea of being the lone genius working on

00:24:41   the impossible thing is that what you

00:24:42   mean like is that how people normally

00:24:43   talk about it yeah but also I liked

00:24:45   hearing it described that way you could

00:24:47   almost say it sounds a bit like

00:24:48   opportunistic or a bit exploitative

00:24:49   isn't it like you know I'm waiting for

00:24:51   someone else to do something great so

00:24:53   that I can then piggyback it and take

00:24:55   this thing to the future glory don't get

00:24:57   me wrong he's not a glory Sega and he

00:24:59   doesn't need in his head his share of

00:25:00   glory already he retire now is one of

00:25:02   the greatest mathematicians ever but I

00:25:04   don't know mathematicians are quite

00:25:05   secretive and they don't always like you

00:25:07   to know what their dreams are and what

00:25:09   they're working on and maybe because

00:25:10   they fear the embarrassment of not

00:25:11   solving it or maybe just because they

00:25:13   drive at people but to hear him be

00:25:15   really open about you know yeah I want

00:25:17   to solve you know I want to do all this

00:25:18   stuff and I'm waiting sometimes to see

00:25:20   where the next big opportunity is and

00:25:22   but he's also a total collaborator and

00:25:24   it's not about him he just wants to know

00:25:25   everything and he wants to everything to

00:25:27   be solved and proved and like you say

00:25:29   what he's doing is entirely rational he

00:25:32   wants to go to where the opportunity is

00:25:33   where progress can be made

00:25:35   mm-hmm but you don't often hear

00:25:36   mathematicians talk that way which is

00:25:38   what I found interesting he sounds like

00:25:39   a very smart guy he is he's pretty smart

00:25:41   but voice from Adelaide all the best

00:25:43   place I love totally yes of course how

00:25:45   can I forget all the best people are

00:25:47   from Adelaide and they all loved the

00:25:50   mighty Blackstone it's crazy that he's

00:25:52   not famous in Adelaide like he's like

00:25:54   one of the great Adelaide Ian's that has

00:25:55   been produced yeah he should be right

00:25:57   next to the Brady Haran statue yes

00:25:59   that's the way it should work yeah all

00:26:03   right Brady so tell me what were you

00:26:05   doing in Russia I have no idea why you

00:26:08   were there I just randomly got a

00:26:11   photograph of a postcard of Vladimir

00:26:13   Putin riding a bear and that's how I

00:26:16   knew you were in Russia well this should

00:26:18   be semi interesting for you because one

00:26:20   of my interests that you do share to

00:26:22   some degree is the periodic table you do

00:26:24   seem to show more than a flicker of

00:26:25   interest in all things periodic table

00:26:27   related and the reason I was there was

00:26:30   for the inauguration of

00:26:33   three of those four new elements that

00:26:35   were discovered oh that's right the

00:26:38   elements yeah

00:26:39   so there were these four new ones that

00:26:41   have been discovered over the last

00:26:42   however many years but they finally got

00:26:45   their rubber stamp towards the end of

00:26:47   last year in terms of I you pack the

00:26:50   official periodic table Guardians saying

00:26:52   yep they were definitely discovered you

00:26:54   people can name them they proposed the

00:26:56   names and then the names were approved

00:26:57   so we had Mahoney 'm which was made and

00:27:01   discovered in japan so named after japan

00:27:03   and then we had three that was

00:27:05   synthesized at a place called Dubner

00:27:08   just outside Moscow mmm-hmm these were

00:27:11   Moscow viim tennis ain although it was

00:27:14   named after Tennessee it was actually

00:27:15   made in Russia as well and organ nests

00:27:19   on which is named after a guy called

00:27:20   Yuri organ essien who is still alive

00:27:22   which is only the second time this has

00:27:24   ever happened I don't know exactly how

00:27:26   it happened but Martin Polyakov the

00:27:29   chemistry professor who I make periodic

00:27:31   videos with I think contacted Yuri

00:27:33   organiztion and they became kind of

00:27:36   friendly on email helped by the fact

00:27:38   that Martin speaks Russian which I think

00:27:40   was a real icebreaker because he could

00:27:41   write his emails in Russian and much to

00:27:44   our surprise actually these people who

00:27:46   make these super-heavy elements totally

00:27:48   know who we are because I think what

00:27:51   happens is whenever they google their

00:27:53   new elements and things they always

00:27:54   inevitably see our YouTube videos

00:27:56   because we make a million youtube videos

00:27:57   about them no I think it is actually

00:27:59   just your towering fame in the world of

00:28:01   chemistry surely you must be one of the

00:28:04   most famous popularizers of chemistry

00:28:07   right the two of you together in

00:28:08   particular well maybe this is possible

00:28:11   you have a whole statue of you in

00:28:13   Adelaide no small part because of that

00:28:15   what is this stitch you're not glad you

00:28:17   people gonna think this is a thing if

00:28:19   you keep saying that if I keep saying

00:28:20   it'll become a thing okay yeah but get

00:28:22   anyway go on go on

00:28:23   so anyway they had the ceremony to name

00:28:27   the elements so they invited us they

00:28:29   said you should come to the ceremony and

00:28:31   they didn't only invite us Martin was

00:28:33   invited to be like a speaker so I

00:28:35   thought I'll get him to say a few words

00:28:37   but he became like the keynote speaker

00:28:39   who gave like probably what the main

00:28:41   speech of the event in Russian and then

00:28:44   we went to Dubner the big facility where

00:28:46   they

00:28:47   made the elements and agony seein

00:28:49   himself was like so like giving of his

00:28:53   time and we spent like today with him

00:28:55   and he took us around and gave us tours

00:28:57   and interviews and took us out for meals

00:29:00   and all sorts of stuff so I spent all

00:29:02   this time with the guy who had the

00:29:04   element named after him and we made all

00:29:06   these videos and had this amazing time

00:29:08   was brilliant I'm just confused here

00:29:10   though because we first discussed these

00:29:11   elements and whatever was a year ago so

00:29:14   I understand there must be some kind of

00:29:15   process to make it official and I

00:29:17   thought we were he passed the yes there

00:29:19   really official stage yet we had passed

00:29:21   that stage but now they're officially

00:29:23   named this is the official naming

00:29:25   ceremony yeah this was like the party

00:29:27   this was like the ceremony okay so the

00:29:29   names had become official but this was

00:29:32   like the all the people from America and

00:29:34   all the people from Japan and all the

00:29:35   different collaborators that had any

00:29:37   role all came together for a few days

00:29:39   and they had the big shindig in Moscow

00:29:42   like the Academy of Sciences with

00:29:44   ceremonies and speeches and lots of

00:29:46   vodka I can imagine and like the pickled

00:29:50   herring and over the Russian food little

00:29:51   caviar so that was the big party and

00:29:54   then they went and had a tour of the

00:29:56   Dubner facility for themselves because

00:29:57   some of them hadn't really had a good

00:29:59   look at it and because it was switched

00:30:00   off for the morning they could like get

00:30:03   up close to all the things they normally

00:30:04   can't see like all the cyclotrons and

00:30:06   the beamlines and the places where the

00:30:08   atoms all get smashed so it was like a

00:30:10   nice tour and then they had like a half

00:30:12   a day little symposium where everyone

00:30:14   gave technical scientific talks about

00:30:17   the state of play how can we make the

00:30:19   next elements what are the next steps it

00:30:22   was a chance for them all to get

00:30:23   together

00:30:23   partly to celebrate and have a drink and

00:30:26   partly to do a bit of face-to-face

00:30:27   collaboration and we kind of piggybacked

00:30:30   it as a chance to make videos but also

00:30:33   we were kind of i mean more martin than

00:30:35   made to be honest we've sort of fettered

00:30:37   as the sort of VIPs as well so i thought

00:30:40   we were going to be like the

00:30:41   fly-on-the-wall

00:30:42   but we ended up being quite a center of

00:30:44   attention you went from fly-on-the-wall

00:30:45   to belle of the ball is that what you

00:30:47   did baby look at you you can tell it's

00:30:51   not 6:00 in the morning where you are

00:30:52   these little clever turns a phrase but

00:30:55   okay look I have a lot of charity

00:30:57   towards the world of science and

00:30:58   chemistry yeah but I have to like is

00:31:00   this the fun

00:31:01   no party because it feels like it's just

00:31:03   getting stretched out a little bit here

00:31:04   is there gonna be a party later on

00:31:06   that's like ooh the official embossing

00:31:08   of the element onto the periodic table

00:31:11   I'm just wondering how many stages is it

00:31:13   until like in a high school chemistry

00:31:15   class when you buy a periodic table it's

00:31:17   just listed there or like or is that not

00:31:19   allowed yet until another party occurs

00:31:21   we're already past that oh okay this was

00:31:23   like you know how sometimes like if you

00:31:26   win an award you know sometimes it's

00:31:28   announced like the Nobel Prize they

00:31:29   announce the Nobel Prize who won it and

00:31:31   there's a big media cover full but it's

00:31:34   usually two or three months later that

00:31:36   they then actually give them the medals

00:31:37   and do the speeches and the certificates

00:31:39   or when someone gets a knighthood you

00:31:41   know it's announced so-and-so is now a

00:31:43   knight but they don't actually have the

00:31:45   sword on their shoulder from the Queen

00:31:46   until a few months later that's what

00:31:48   this was like so the elements were

00:31:50   official and it was announced this was

00:31:51   just the sword on your shoulder from the

00:31:53   Queen to say well done cuz it takes a

00:31:55   while to get everyone together you know

00:31:57   you know I just realized like I knew

00:31:59   this but I never really thought about it

00:32:01   because I think in my head when I hear

00:32:03   about people going to the Nobel award

00:32:05   ceremony I think I was imagining it was

00:32:07   like the Oscars and all of the nominees

00:32:09   are sitting there in the audience

00:32:11   waiting to find out who the winner is

00:32:13   now when they open the envelope in

00:32:16   retrospect getting a whole bunch of

00:32:17   scientists together at the same time to

00:32:19   do that for a crowd that is not

00:32:22   explicitly publicity-seeking in the same

00:32:25   way that say Hollywood would be

00:32:26   obviously yes that's not the way it's

00:32:28   going to work but I think in my head I

00:32:29   always imagined when they announced the

00:32:31   Nobel prize-winner that there's four sad

00:32:33   Nobel Prize losers who are sitting there

00:32:36   in the audience and still have to have a

00:32:38   party that night with everybody else I

00:32:40   mean the Nobel Prize is a kind of a bit

00:32:42   crazy I assume you know this or you knew

00:32:44   this but maybe you don't but obviously

00:32:46   who's even under consideration is kept

00:32:48   secret and then there's a press

00:32:50   conference held in Sweden where there's

00:32:53   just basically journalists there and

00:32:54   some people from the Nobel Committee and

00:32:56   a few experts come out and they announce

00:32:58   who the winner is but the people who

00:33:01   have won or the person who has won only

00:33:03   finds out themselves about ten minutes

00:33:05   before they phone them wherever they are

00:33:07   in the world and say this is the Nobel

00:33:09   Committee you've won the Nobel Prize

00:33:11   we're about to announce that you know

00:33:14   well done

00:33:15   but that process actually causes

00:33:16   problems because quite often they can't

00:33:19   contact the person they need to contact

00:33:20   yeah like so they'll be phoning someone

00:33:22   around the world saying we need to speak

00:33:23   to Jane Doe she's just won the Nobel

00:33:26   Prize and they can't get her and they

00:33:28   famously couldn't get Higgs when he won

00:33:31   it for the Higgs boson and he found out

00:33:32   from someone who just heard it on the

00:33:33   radio and told him are you just won the

00:33:36   Nobel Prize recently there was a big

00:33:38   problem though because they phoned

00:33:39   someone who won and the person had died

00:33:42   like a week or two before and they

00:33:44   didn't know mm-hmm and they like phoned

00:33:46   the house and they said ah he's dead and

00:33:49   you can't win the Nobel Prize if you've

00:33:50   died but he still got it I made an

00:33:54   exception I did know that about the

00:33:56   phone call because I think like I've

00:33:57   heard various stories and that's what I

00:33:58   mean like I never put two and two

00:34:00   together in my head I was still

00:34:02   imagining that somehow there were people

00:34:03   in the audience at the actual ceremony I

00:34:05   did know about the phone call because

00:34:07   you do hear those stories sometimes of

00:34:08   someone missing it or some kind of

00:34:09   incident that occurs when trying to get

00:34:11   in touch with someone for the phone call

00:34:12   so I spent a lot of time around people

00:34:15   speaking Russian to each other over the

00:34:17   last week eventually I got used to it

00:34:19   but when it first started happening more

00:34:22   when I was applying for my visa and I

00:34:23   was around a lot of people speaking

00:34:24   Russian to each other

00:34:25   I felt quite silly and embarrassed by

00:34:28   myself by how much I felt like I was in

00:34:30   a spy movie but when two people speak

00:34:33   Russian to each other it's amazing how

00:34:35   the Hollywood training takes over and

00:34:37   you assume everything's like a big

00:34:39   conspiracy and they're talking about all

00:34:40   this cool spy stuff it did make me

00:34:43   wonder if like when Russian people who

00:34:46   don't speak English here - people

00:34:47   speaking English to each other do they

00:34:49   think the same thing I can't imagine

00:34:51   what English sounds like to people who

00:34:53   don't speak English like what do we

00:34:54   sound like do we sound like villains

00:34:56   from an Indiana Jones movie the same way

00:34:58   that I think that or like I wonder if

00:35:00   that's the case or English has a

00:35:02   different sound to it I imagine it must

00:35:03   be like that I know I had a friend who

00:35:06   didn't grow up speaking English a long

00:35:08   time ago and I asked her about like what

00:35:10   is English sound like and her response

00:35:11   was it was if anyone ever imitates a

00:35:14   language there's usually just a couple

00:35:16   of sounds that you're really doing a

00:35:18   whole bunch of times yeah like if you're

00:35:20   doing French you'll be like juju Lulu

00:35:21   Lala like yeah yeah that's like that's

00:35:24   exactly what French sounds like yeah

00:35:25   yeah or famously not the way the

00:35:28   America World Police movie did Middle

00:35:30   Eastern languages like was really

00:35:32   terrible yeah it's the same thing where

00:35:34   they're just doing a couple of sounds

00:35:35   yeah and her response was that the

00:35:38   English sounds were T sounds and s

00:35:41   sounds stuffs like that sound was for

00:35:46   her like the couple of sounds she would

00:35:47   make if she was thinking about the way

00:35:48   English is I say oh look at those

00:35:50   English speakers over there it's

00:35:51   treacherous yeah to us like I said it

00:35:55   was not exactly a pleasant sounding

00:35:57   language if you don't know what they're

00:35:58   saying and I can see that I imagine

00:36:00   English is not the best sounding

00:36:02   language if you haven't heard it or if

00:36:04   you don't know what they're actually

00:36:05   saying but I think it's impossible to

00:36:07   get out of because I know there's a

00:36:09   YouTube video where someone tries to

00:36:11   make gibberish sounds to give you the

00:36:13   idea of what English sounds like to a

00:36:15   foreign language speaker but it doesn't

00:36:17   seem convincing to me and I've asked

00:36:19   some people and it seems like it's not a

00:36:20   good representation of what it actually

00:36:22   sounds like I don't think you can get

00:36:24   out of your head with this sort of thing

00:36:25   but yeah I'm trying to think if I have

00:36:28   ever in my life heard Russian spoken not

00:36:32   in the context of a spy movie okay I

00:36:36   think I may have never heard this

00:36:38   language spoken outside of Hollywood's

00:36:41   representation of it on a submarine I

00:36:43   think that might be the only time I've

00:36:45   ever heard it looks like Oh Sean Connery

00:36:47   speaking Russian that's what Russian is

00:36:49   I had a bit of it spoken that's for sure

00:36:52   did you pick up anything I hear it's a

00:36:53   really easy language to pick up no yeah

00:36:58   it's like Spanish you know I spend a

00:37:00   week in Spain you'll get the gist of it

00:37:01   I'm sure it's the same way in Moscow

00:37:03   it's really easy I can tell you one

00:37:04   story about Russian being spoken if you

00:37:07   can handle bit of a shaggy dog story

00:37:08   I'll tell you my story about the final

00:37:10   day in Russia Brady I am a professional

00:37:13   Brady shaggy-dog story listener I should

00:37:16   put that on my business card this is

00:37:17   what I actually do shaggy-dog listen so

00:37:22   on the final day we left Dube known

00:37:24   north of Moscow and we were going to go

00:37:26   to the airport that night but Professor

00:37:28   Polyakov has this friend near Moscow who

00:37:31   he wanted to visit so the taxi driver

00:37:33   was going to take us to this friend's

00:37:35   house who has this nice house and it

00:37:37   adjoins a museum she runs which is a

00:37:40   tank

00:37:41   in rule yeah because her father was the

00:37:44   designer of I think it's a t-34 the

00:37:46   famous Russian tank and she herself I

00:37:49   was told is quite famous in Russia she's

00:37:52   quite old now but she was a famous poet

00:37:54   when poetry was a big deal in Russia and

00:37:56   poets were celebrities

00:37:57   and now she's just famous as being her

00:37:59   elder stateswoman was that really a time

00:38:01   when that there were famous poets yeah

00:38:03   the Russian name which apparently is

00:38:05   really good for poetry way better than

00:38:07   English because word order is less

00:38:09   important so you can be a bit more

00:38:10   creative with poetry so in the Soviet

00:38:13   times poets were like pop stars

00:38:15   apparently this seems like something a

00:38:17   poet would tell you but okay I'm gonna

00:38:19   I'm going to run with it for the purpose

00:38:20   of the story anyway this is by the by

00:38:22   we're being taken to a house for lunch

00:38:24   we were going to have a look at the Tank

00:38:25   Museum and then we were going to go to

00:38:27   the airport so this taxi driver comes to

00:38:29   pick us up from Dubner at the hotel and

00:38:32   Martin explains to this taxi driver in

00:38:35   Russian you have to take us to this

00:38:36   house first and we're going to be there

00:38:38   for a few hours eating going to a museum

00:38:40   and then you're taking us to the airport

00:38:42   and the taxi driver didn't know this

00:38:44   what he had done is he was being a bit

00:38:47   naughty and he had arranged for his wife

00:38:50   to come with us on the drive to Moscow

00:38:52   and he was going to use the trip as a

00:38:53   chance to take his wife for the day

00:38:55   shopping in Moscow so his plans are

00:38:58   suddenly had been scuppered so he was

00:39:00   pretty unhappy so he drove to the

00:39:02   apartment building where he lived where

00:39:04   his wife was waiting at the front and

00:39:05   she was all dressed up and she had loads

00:39:08   and loads of makeup on and she'd

00:39:09   obviously done her hair cuz her hair was

00:39:11   standing at some angle that I can't

00:39:13   believe was even physically possible she

00:39:15   was clearly a woman dressed for her big

00:39:16   day out in Moscow and he's had to go up

00:39:19   and say to her look we can't go because

00:39:21   I've got to take these people to some

00:39:23   house and sit outside the house for

00:39:24   three hours and he was telling her go

00:39:26   back you're not coming but she was like

00:39:28   no I'm all dressed up I've got my makeup

00:39:30   on I look amazing I'm coming to Moscow

00:39:33   anyway yeah you can't say no to a woman

00:39:35   at the end of her preparation ritual and

00:39:37   I think like no sorry like whatever

00:39:39   plans you had for the day if she

00:39:41   finished getting ready your plans are

00:39:43   changing that's what's happening and I

00:39:44   can assure you this woman had spent a

00:39:46   long time getting ready it was evident

00:39:48   so she gets in the car and it's all I've

00:39:50   already got like three bags on my lap

00:39:52   because I can't put my bags on the chair

00:39:55   it's been reserved for her in the car so

00:39:57   like everyone's pretty inconvenienced by

00:39:59   this whole thing

00:40:00   we drive for two hours to this house and

00:40:03   we park outside and we say something

00:40:04   like do you want to like come in or

00:40:05   something like that and they're like no

00:40:07   of course not

00:40:07   so they're parked out in the snow and

00:40:10   they have to sit out in their car for

00:40:12   three hours while I go inside which I

00:40:16   couldn't believe they were doing so I go

00:40:18   inside Martin speaks Russian to this

00:40:21   woman for three hours she did speak a

00:40:23   bit of English and she was really polite

00:40:25   and nice to me but I have to tell you it

00:40:27   was pretty hard work for me sitting

00:40:28   there watching two people who were bit

00:40:31   older talking Russian to each other but

00:40:34   I couldn't get away I couldn't escape

00:40:35   and like Martin was there for trying to

00:40:37   include me so every 2 or 3 sentences

00:40:40   Martin would give me a brief summary of

00:40:42   what had just been said and it was quite

00:40:44   you know boring stuff ah she just told

00:40:47   me that her uncle is remarried to her

00:40:49   aunt Maria and I really uh like I'm

00:40:53   having a social freakout just even

00:40:54   listening to you describe this like I

00:40:56   don't think I could handle this I don't

00:40:57   think I could psychologically handle the

00:40:58   situation and I love Martin he's like

00:41:00   family and I love spending time with him

00:41:02   but this was quite difficult I think it

00:41:04   was difficult for everyone and I was

00:41:06   sitting at this table with all this like

00:41:08   alcohol and really rich Russian food

00:41:10   filling my nostrils and I was starting

00:41:12   to feel a bit unwell and then eventually

00:41:14   we get to go to this Tank Museum and we

00:41:18   walk around and there was a funny moment

00:41:20   cuz apparently this woman's famous but

00:41:21   she was like showing Martin around and

00:41:23   at some point some person in the Tank

00:41:24   Museum walked up to her and I think she

00:41:26   was preparing herself for the yes yes I

00:41:28   am who you think I am

00:41:29   this guy actually said to her do you

00:41:31   realize who that is that you're

00:41:33   translating for that's Martyn Poliakoff

00:41:34   from periodic videos which he thought

00:41:37   was quite funny and then we went back to

00:41:40   the house we said our goodbyes and it

00:41:42   was all good and we get in the car and

00:41:44   we say to them okay we're ready to go

00:41:46   and this woman who's been sitting in the

00:41:48   car for three hours with all her makeup

00:41:50   on her head and who's day we've ruined

00:41:52   just turns around us as one moment and

00:41:54   she goes back to the house where the old

00:41:57   woman who we've been with is sort of

00:41:59   standing waving goodbye to us and this

00:42:01   woman goes up to her and like shakes her

00:42:04   hand and like almost falls to her knees

00:42:06   and starts crying

00:42:09   and says that she cannot believe what

00:42:10   her honor has been to sit outside her

00:42:12   house for the last three hours meeting

00:42:15   this person is like the highlight of her

00:42:16   life Wow and then she comes back to the

00:42:18   car and says I can't believe I just got

00:42:20   to meet her thank you so much like she

00:42:21   is a living museum to the history of

00:42:23   Russia and like this has been like the

00:42:25   most massive honor I could ever have had

00:42:27   say this woman whose day we ruined and

00:42:29   whose shopping trip we ruined ended up

00:42:31   sitting outside someone who I don't know

00:42:33   who it's the equivalent of but it's like

00:42:34   the most famous person to hear in all of

00:42:36   Russia and she just got to meet her and

00:42:38   she couldn't believe it she was so

00:42:40   grateful

00:42:40   I feel way less doubtful about your

00:42:42   statement of the fame of poets in Russia

00:42:44   after that yeah I mean this woman has

00:42:47   written like a hundred books she was

00:42:49   showing but you know those pictures of

00:42:50   her with Yuri Gagarin and Vladimir Putin

00:42:53   and all that stuff she's a mover and a

00:42:54   shaker so mm-hmm so turns out for this

00:42:56   three hours I was sitting at the table

00:42:58   absolutely bored out of my brains I was

00:43:00   with this super famous Russian person

00:43:02   and to me it was just a couple of old

00:43:04   people talking about Auntie Maria that's

00:43:06   the thing with Fame right it is a light

00:43:08   that only works in some circles right

00:43:10   yeah if you're outside of it it's just

00:43:11   totally meaningless yeah yeah I tell you

00:43:15   I got organization to sign my periodic

00:43:18   table with organist on on it which is

00:43:20   now one of my prized possessions ooh

00:43:22   gonna hang that up they're gonna go up

00:43:24   in your office I might get it framed

00:43:25   it's pretty special only the second

00:43:28   person alive ever to have their name on

00:43:30   the table Glenn Seaborg was the other

00:43:32   one and he's dead now big deal that I

00:43:35   didn't know what you were up to in

00:43:36   Russia but it sounds like you were up to

00:43:38   a hell of a lot is what you were up to

00:43:40   yeah and like at one point Martin did in

00:43:43   his speech like mentioned me and put a

00:43:45   photo of me up and everyone like clapped

00:43:47   and I had to get up and wave the

00:43:48   audience so like I had my little moment

00:43:50   although it was belittled a little bit

00:43:53   by the fact that when Martin first got

00:43:55   on stage he had a frog in his throat

00:43:56   and he said Brady can you bring me a

00:43:58   water so the first thing I had to do was

00:44:00   like walk onstage and bring him a bottle

00:44:02   of water at which point I felt totally

00:44:04   like the lackey I didn't feel like the

00:44:06   big bad a filmmaker then I felt like

00:44:07   he's a personal assistant exactly he's a

00:44:10   knight and you are the squire yeah boy

00:44:14   bring me some water

00:44:16   anyway that's a lot of talk about Russia

00:44:18   so it's a big country but funny you

00:44:20   should say that because one of the

00:44:21   things that did

00:44:22   her to me and like this is not a big

00:44:24   deal it just to pop into my head is you

00:44:26   know how they were like those apps and

00:44:27   things where you like list the countries

00:44:29   you've been to and then it like renders

00:44:31   a map that colors in other countries

00:44:33   you've been to just by going to Moscow

00:44:35   and dog know which is like two hours

00:44:37   outside Moscow I have now colored in a

00:44:39   massive massive section of that map oh

00:44:42   yeah so when I look at the map of

00:44:45   countries I've been to now like most of

00:44:47   us colored in there just by going to

00:44:48   Moscow you're totally cheating by doing

00:44:51   it but actually I think it's not really

00:44:53   cheating because most of the people live

00:44:55   on just this tiny little sliver by

00:44:57   Moscow anyway so it's like I yeah you

00:44:58   know you covered most of the people area

00:45:01   I guess so it's fine you can color in

00:45:03   that mole section so oh like Siberia and

00:45:06   Kamchatka and all those areas are all

00:45:07   colored in now but I've never even seen

00:45:09   them yeah you got that man don't worry

00:45:11   yeah no you're cool on the binary map

00:45:15   you have ticked this box I've done a few

00:45:17   of those apps where you do that and you

00:45:19   list all your countries and it colors

00:45:20   them in but it does the United States

00:45:22   separately as States and you got a list

00:45:25   the states you've been to that's goddamn

00:45:27   right yeah of course

00:45:28   oh how American centric is that that's

00:45:31   crazy there's not American centric it's

00:45:33   just the way it should be you know just

00:45:35   like the states they need to have their

00:45:37   own emoji flags and the emoji picker was

00:45:39   we decided last time it's clearly that's

00:45:42   the way it should be yeah and yeah if

00:45:44   you're traveling to America it only

00:45:45   counts statewide you don't get to take

00:45:47   the whole country of a match Brady Brady

00:45:49   do you know how wildly culturally

00:45:53   diverse the United States is in

00:45:55   different areas they're like totally

00:45:58   different countries and just think about

00:46:00   it you know Delaware is so different

00:46:02   from New Jersey true they might as well

00:46:03   be thousands of miles apart you have to

00:46:06   color in each one of those states

00:46:08   separately if you don't get the color in

00:46:09   all of America now it's amazing how much

00:46:11   the cuisine changes from state to state

00:46:13   like the subtle variations of barbecue

00:46:16   sauce but do you see I actually will

00:46:19   argue that's quite important you pick

00:46:23   the wrong one there buddy

00:46:24   I figure in America you can actually

00:46:27   draw like four or five big distinction

00:46:32   areas but even then like it's not

00:46:34   nothing

00:46:35   the United States is pretty homogeneous

00:46:37   you're either on the west coast where

00:46:38   it's sunny mm-hmm or the East Coast

00:46:41   where it's like bit cold mm-hmm for you

00:46:44   in the middle that yeah and you ever say

00:46:46   from the plane anyway so it doesn't

00:46:47   really matter there's a huge section of

00:46:48   no-man's land there the coasts and then

00:46:51   there's the south

00:46:53   yeah and that's sort of it yeah that's

00:46:55   my mental map of America yeah no-man's

00:46:57   land beautiful though you got a drive

00:46:59   through it some day doesn't count if

00:47:00   you're flying over you don't get to take

00:47:01   the states if you fly over I really want

00:47:03   to drive across America and my wife who

00:47:06   loves travel and adventure it's the one

00:47:08   holiday and trip I can't

00:47:10   enthuse her about like she went to every

00:47:12   Space Camp with me and she'll do

00:47:13   anything and she wants to see everything

00:47:15   and I always say let's drive across

00:47:16   America and she just thinks I don't know

00:47:19   she's got limited holidays and it just

00:47:21   doesn't capture her imagination I can't

00:47:23   get her to do it well you got to do it

00:47:26   on your own Brady I can't do it on my

00:47:27   own that's too big a waste of my time

00:47:30   too big of a waste of time with a once

00:47:33   in a lifetime opportunity everybody

00:47:34   should do let's do a podcast road trip

00:47:36   we'll do the hello internet across

00:47:38   America record an episode each night I

00:47:40   am pretty sure one of us would not

00:47:43   survive that trip really if we had to do

00:47:45   it together I think we would strangle

00:47:47   each other to death maybe both of us

00:47:49   wouldn't survive who knows I think we'd

00:47:51   be right because there's like a

00:47:53   formality and politeness between us

00:47:55   where I think we would never have a big

00:47:57   argument like I think we'd be or are we

00:47:59   in the same car together yeah of course

00:48:01   okay are we staying in the same hotel

00:48:02   rooms no different rooms we did that

00:48:05   once okay yeah so yeah that was fine but

00:48:08   no different rooms of course different

00:48:09   rooms I don't know all right now I'm

00:48:11   just thinking you seem very confident so

00:48:13   you throw a little bit of doubt in my

00:48:14   mind I have no doubt we'd get along mmm

00:48:17   but whether or not you know that's how

00:48:19   we want to spend it hugs a lot of

00:48:21   questions it'd be quite interesting

00:48:27   hello internet across America yeah hello

00:48:30   Internet ultimate roadtrip we could

00:48:32   review different flags we saw along the

00:48:34   way

00:48:35   each night we could do a few press ups

00:48:38   and do a bit of filler Tron live star no

00:48:42   he just ate a press up I tell you what

00:48:44   that's the big difference coming from

00:48:46   Russia to America the extreme

00:48:48   differences in food like my host in

00:48:51   Russia are great and they put us in like

00:48:52   a posh place but even then the food was

00:48:55   pretty ropey mm-hmm and then you come to

00:48:56   America and it's just like whoa yeah

00:48:59   look at all that's amazing stuff oh

00:49:02   you're out there in Berkeley you go to

00:49:04   the local pizza place they give you an

00:49:06   extra pizza with a wink without you've

00:49:08   been asking it's amazing I've already

00:49:10   had my extra slice last night extra

00:49:12   slice or extra pie Brady which which was

00:49:14   it it was three extra slices because I

00:49:16   only wanted a half pizza and when you

00:49:18   order a half baked side head then give

00:49:19   you three extra slices in the box so

00:49:21   it's three quarters of a pizza or seven

00:49:24   eighths of the pizza how big are these

00:49:25   slices I would say they give you half a

00:49:27   pizza and then with the extra stuff you

00:49:28   probably get just short of three

00:49:30   quarters it's a big pizza though mm-hmm

00:49:34   I've literally gone from like Russian

00:49:37   brown bread to a place called the

00:49:40   gourmet ghetto the shows the extremes of

00:49:42   the world yeah well I think we've made

00:49:45   it official before but we all know

00:49:46   calories in America don't count that's

00:49:49   how it works when you're in America

00:49:51   everything's fine those calories don't

00:49:53   count if you live there yeah obviously

00:49:56   the calories count but if you're just

00:49:57   visiting doesn't count at all that's how

00:49:59   that works there's this song by a band

00:50:01   called Liberty X that's got this line in

00:50:03   it it's about like you know love and

00:50:05   stuff and it's about being apart and the

00:50:07   line in the song says I'm on my own all

00:50:10   alone a thousand miles from home there's

00:50:13   temptation all around but the idea is

00:50:16   I'd love you and I'm staying true to you

00:50:17   because I love you so much so I was in

00:50:19   Safeway the other day in the cake

00:50:20   section was surrounded by all the

00:50:22   amazing stuff so I've made a video for

00:50:24   my wife where I played that song really

00:50:26   loudly so it was playing in the

00:50:28   background and I was just filming all

00:50:29   the cakes and it just said I'm on my own

00:50:32   nerves you know temptation all around

00:50:35   and I was panning across all these cakes

00:50:37   and cream puffs and stuff she got a bit

00:50:41   of a laugh out of that I've still got it

00:50:44   I'll post it somewhere for people to

00:50:45   have a laugh at

00:50:46   that's fantastic yeah that's absolutely

00:50:48   that's and so true yeah and I I'm really

00:50:52   trying with my feet of Tron lifestyle at

00:50:55   the moment and this is just a torpedo

00:50:57   this week coming back to Berkeley

00:50:59   I feel like we need to back up in the

00:51:00   story a little bit because like oh

00:51:01   you're trying with the fit Tron

00:51:02   lifestyle but wait why were you in a

00:51:04   cake store no I was in Safeway doing my

00:51:07   grocery shopping there's just so much

00:51:08   good stuff everywhere it's like you

00:51:10   can't help her okay poor Americans I

00:51:13   don't blame them it's terrible what's

00:51:15   being done to you everywhere you look

00:51:17   there's just delicious food and it's all

00:51:19   so big it's not fair it isn't fair and

00:51:22   it's it's interesting because this is

00:51:25   actually a topic upon which I have

00:51:27   changed my mind over the last few years

00:51:30   like I think there really is something

00:51:32   to the idea that like American obesity

00:51:36   is not just because Americans are lazy

00:51:38   like it's because there there is food

00:51:41   everywhere in huge portions that's

00:51:44   delicious and I feel like people are

00:51:46   obviously affected by their environment

00:51:49   there's all kinds of interesting like

00:51:51   experiments that you can do that can

00:51:52   show like how you can sort of fool

00:51:54   people into eating more and you know

00:51:57   I've just been finding out about like

00:51:58   how foods are designed I feel like I've

00:52:00   really changed my mind on this to some

00:52:03   extent that it's like this is way more

00:52:04   of an environmental issue than it is

00:52:07   like a personal issue it's a lot easier

00:52:10   to stay slim in Russia because the food

00:52:11   is disgusting and nobody wants it well

00:52:13   that's it I've gone from like literally

00:52:15   when I was having dinner in Russia they

00:52:16   were bringing me out like a plate of

00:52:18   grated cabbage and a piece of brown

00:52:21   bread and like because it was a posh

00:52:24   place you know a piece of meat and that

00:52:26   was like a nice meal and I enjoyed don't

00:52:28   get me wrong I enjoyed it and then I

00:52:30   come here and like I go to the pizza

00:52:33   place and I order half a pizza to show

00:52:35   restraint and they're throwing more

00:52:36   pieces at me to eat here have more

00:52:38   melted cheese what can you do

00:52:41   now there's nothing you can do there's

00:52:43   nothing oh yeah there is you can not eat

00:52:45   it but no no no very left look back up

00:52:48   right logical conclusion is there's

00:52:50   nothing you can do right if it's largely

00:52:52   environment then there's no personal

00:52:54   responsibility

00:52:56   how is that fitted Tron lifestyle going

00:52:58   are you you okay with that or I mean

00:53:00   obviously all bets are off for the next

00:53:02   two weeks my body doesn't realize that

00:53:03   so I still pay the penalty but I'm off

00:53:06   the horse at the moment but prior to

00:53:08   that I think I've done about 20 odd

00:53:10   personal training sessions I'm doing

00:53:12   three training sessions a week so I'm

00:53:14   getting a lot stronger and fitter but I

00:53:17   hadn't yet modified my eating mmm-hmm

00:53:19   but for the week and a half or so before

00:53:22   I left I started calorie counting again

00:53:25   mm-hm and I'm going to calorie count

00:53:26   again when I get home so now I'm

00:53:28   attacking it on both the fronts I need

00:53:30   to be attacking on the exercise and the

00:53:33   reduced calorie intake so I have no like

00:53:36   stats to report or anything like that

00:53:38   but I am doing it I'm working it hard

00:53:41   that's fantastic I'm really glad to hear

00:53:43   that you've been sticking with the

00:53:44   personal trainer mmm I was wondering

00:53:46   because very early on in this process

00:53:47   you sent me an awesome-looking photo of

00:53:52   you like silhouetted against the light

00:53:54   holding kettlebells like looking like a

00:53:56   total badass and I was like oh wow look

00:53:59   at this like Brady's doing it me and

00:54:00   then you told me later on that oh that

00:54:02   wasn't a picture of you in the middle of

00:54:04   exercising that was a picture of you

00:54:05   just moving kettlebells out of the way

00:54:07   someone else has happened to snap and I

00:54:09   was like what's he really doing I don't

00:54:11   know I just saw the really nice

00:54:12   silhouette and the window and I had just

00:54:14   been using a kettlebell and I know that

00:54:16   your wife was a fan of kettlebells

00:54:18   basically it was just a posed picture to

00:54:20   show off to your wife of me holding your

00:54:23   kettlebell but like you know I was

00:54:25   exercising I was therefore doing an hour

00:54:26   of exercise it wasn't like I was doing

00:54:28   an hour long photo shoot so that I could

00:54:30   well yeah the photos look like a little

00:54:32   bit that was the feeling I was getting I

00:54:34   was like what's he doing over there I'm

00:54:35   doing it so I think my body's getting

00:54:37   stronger mm-hmm but I was still like

00:54:39   going to the gym and then maybe getting

00:54:41   a sneaky McDonald's on the way home so

00:54:43   there's no more of that now now it's

00:54:45   going to the gym and then going home and

00:54:46   eating like you know brown rice yeah

00:54:49   gruel that's a drink no meetings just

00:54:51   some gruel I tell you what I should just

00:54:53   go to Russia for three months

00:54:54   honest to god I bet that would sort you

00:54:56   out yeah totally think that it always

00:54:58   find it's like much easier to keep at

00:55:02   being strict with what you're eating in

00:55:04   a different environment

00:55:05   I honestly think if you went to Russia

00:55:07   for three months you'd come back looking

00:55:09   like Adonis Brady

00:55:10   I think that's what it would happen

00:55:10   what's your kind of fit a Tron lifestyle

00:55:12   now I mean obviously you hit it hard to

00:55:14   lose all this weight you wanted to lose

00:55:16   now you living some regime now or are

00:55:18   you more just going back to what you

00:55:20   were doing before but keeping it steady

00:55:22   or lucky exercising a lot are you really

00:55:25   discipline data still law it's been an

00:55:27   interesting process because this past

00:55:29   month I've been pretty terrible about

00:55:31   making it to the gym I haven't been

00:55:33   really good about that but that process

00:55:35   that I went through last time I feel

00:55:37   like really did fundamentally change a

00:55:40   lot of the kind of foods that I eat

00:55:41   right I mean if you rewind to two years

00:55:44   ago I had essentially an all

00:55:46   carbohydrate based diet like there was

00:55:47   nothing that I ate that wasn't

00:55:49   carbohydrates and now that's really

00:55:51   dropped and so I don't know if other

00:55:54   people have this feeling but I feel like

00:55:55   there are like snap points that my body

00:55:58   wants to maintain weight at and before

00:56:03   the fit of Tron lifestyle like I was

00:56:05   properly like overweight and it felt

00:56:07   like my body really wanted to stay

00:56:09   around that weight and so now that I

00:56:12   dropped under 200 pounds like just under

00:56:14   200 I feel like this is another point

00:56:19   that my body wants to stay around like

00:56:22   in the last month where I haven't been

00:56:23   exercising as much as I was exercising

00:56:25   prior to that my body weight actually

00:56:27   hasn't changed all that much right so

00:56:29   it's like okay it's interesting it

00:56:31   doesn't want to go up and also when I've

00:56:33   been like a few months ago I was like

00:56:36   you know what I really want to break the

00:56:37   190 barrier but I could feel like I have

00:56:41   this same resistance just like when I

00:56:43   was much heavier that like my body just

00:56:44   doesn't want to go down and it feels

00:56:47   like it would take a lot of effort to

00:56:49   actually get down to the next level so

00:56:52   there's some kind of homeostasis I think

00:56:55   that happens at different points I don't

00:56:57   know if there's anything to back that up

00:56:58   but that's really the way it feels so I

00:57:01   am at a homeostasis point that I'm

00:57:03   pretty happy about but it is on my mind

00:57:05   that I still would like to at some point

00:57:07   in the future really try to step it up

00:57:09   and see if I can find like another

00:57:11   homeostasis point that's a little bit

00:57:13   further down the curve but yeah so

00:57:16   you've been very good with exercising

00:57:18   and I have not been so good with

00:57:20   exercising in the past month

00:57:22   that's where we are you've also put a

00:57:23   little seed in my head now that there's

00:57:25   some homeostasis point out there for me

00:57:27   that if I can just get to it I couldn't

00:57:29   start eating crap again and stay at the

00:57:30   low weight I don't want to like put that

00:57:32   idea in your head but I have found it

00:57:34   interesting to note that when I haven't

00:57:38   been good with food it doesn't seem to

00:57:41   affect me as much as when I was heavier

00:57:44   like when I was heavier if I dropped a

00:57:46   couple pounds and then I ate one sneaky

00:57:48   mcdonald it was like boom immediately

00:57:50   back up another two pounds I think the

00:57:52   homeostasis point it does exist Brady

00:57:54   okay

00:57:54   there's a ring out there somewhere that

00:57:56   if you can just grasp it yeah then you

00:57:58   can go back to eating McDonald's like

00:57:59   you really want we'll say we'll say I

00:58:01   think the next week or so is going to be

00:58:03   hard here in California but I'll do my

00:58:04   best and then when I get back to the UK

00:58:07   oh I'll get back on the horse good luck

00:58:09   man

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00:59:37   the show do you know the counter of the

00:59:40   number of videos that are responsible

00:59:42   for since you released a video which you

00:59:44   know I think is ridiculous but it does

00:59:45   exist I think there's a real chance I'm

00:59:48   going to get to a hundred unless you're

00:59:50   about to put a video out in the next few

00:59:51   days now I'm going to get to a hundred

00:59:53   videos since you last player video oh

00:59:55   yeah I totally think you're going to hit

00:59:56   100 I think you're going to hit a

00:59:57   hundred that's going to happen say

00:59:59   you're not

00:59:59   you're not

01:00:00   putting one out in the next week or two

01:00:01   I just want to know because if you are

01:00:02   maybe I will batch release a few just so

01:00:05   I can get the hundred now I got a

01:00:07   warning yeah it feels like it should be

01:00:09   some sort of trophy maybe that you can

01:00:11   get likely put it up on your wall like a

01:00:13   hundred video yeah what about a gray

01:00:15   button yeah I could give you a gray

01:00:16   button for that and you get a diamond

01:00:19   button if it hasn't that's the way that

01:00:21   could work I'm sure the next one will be

01:00:23   a cracker that's the bad thing about

01:00:24   having a big gap is everyone's like oh

01:00:26   my god the next one he's got to be

01:00:27   working on some huge project is like no

01:00:29   people it's not a huge project no

01:00:31   expectations like it's just gonna be a

01:00:32   thing that's all it's gonna be an iPhone

01:00:34   unboxing oh my god I should totally do

01:00:36   that that'd be a fantastic idea

01:00:39   especially midseason right just like

01:00:40   I'll do an iPhone unboxing now for a

01:00:42   phone that's six months old yeah no

01:00:44   comment at all just upload it without

01:00:46   any remarks just like oh yeah this is

01:00:48   what it is that's actually a brilliant

01:00:49   idea just release it the data counter

01:00:51   gets to 99 to spite me there's literally

01:00:54   what I was just thinking is like what

01:00:56   can I put together I'm gonna write a

01:00:57   little script to keep an eye on that

01:00:59   counter number and to get notified the

01:01:01   incident goes up to 99 and then like BAM

01:01:03   alright I've got a really something

01:01:04   anything it could just be 5 seconds of

01:01:07   sorry Brady yeah not this dark art man

01:01:10   you're saying this it's so tempting so

01:01:13   tempting Brady you too I don't much you

01:01:15   do it I think the catchy things

01:01:16   ridiculous anyway but it is a handy

01:01:18   resource for me I don't think the

01:01:20   counter is so ridiculous because I don't

01:01:21   really take it so seriously but I do

01:01:23   think it's ridiculous that you get

01:01:24   credit for computer file on that count

01:01:26   yes that seems ridiculous that is

01:01:27   ridiculous that is ridiculous so we have

01:01:29   to subtract that out from your 100 score

01:01:31   yes because of course nearly all the

01:01:34   videos on computer file are made by Sean

01:01:36   I don't actually even see all of them

01:01:38   mm-hmm I have some responsibility for

01:01:39   them and is part of my business you're

01:01:42   like the producer that's what you are

01:01:44   yeah but you're right they are not a

01:01:45   drain on my time so but I think it's

01:01:48   funny that they're included speaking of

01:01:52   planting seeds and ideas I think we need

01:01:55   to deal with something I know we've got

01:01:57   a lot of other stuff to talk about but

01:01:58   I've got to get this off my chest

01:02:00   in the last episode gray planted in my

01:02:04   head an idea and it was not it obviously

01:02:07   it was not his intention and as soon as

01:02:09   he did it he tried to undo it but I'm

01:02:11   afraid I feel

01:02:13   things have gotten out of control I feel

01:02:15   like I've been trying to undo this

01:02:16   behind-the-scenes Brady and say I'm

01:02:19   talking about limited edition hello

01:02:22   internet sneakers trainers shoes because

01:02:25   gray pointed out that he had just

01:02:27   recently found out about the world of

01:02:29   sort of limited edition sneakers that

01:02:30   were sold to be collectible sneaker

01:02:32   heads sneaker heads and I sort of

01:02:34   thought I think what you don't

01:02:35   understand I don't know if you were like

01:02:36   this was newer a young lad gray but I

01:02:39   went through a phase of being obsessed

01:02:41   with sneakers like I remember being on

01:02:43   the school bus every day and just

01:02:45   talking with my friend Chris for hours

01:02:46   about the latest Nike Air Jordans or

01:02:49   Reebok pumps or added s torsions and I

01:02:52   would go home on my computer and like

01:02:54   design like my dream pair of sneakers

01:02:56   and every time one of us would get a new

01:02:58   pair like if dad took us shopping

01:02:59   sneakers which was the ultimate

01:03:00   experience taking at them on the bus the

01:03:03   next day and showing your friends that I

01:03:05   really for a fee as I was quite obsessed

01:03:07   with the culture of sneakers probably

01:03:09   like a lot of young people were you ever

01:03:12   into sneakers like that yeah this is

01:03:13   totally foreign to me I did not

01:03:15   experience this I don't think I knew

01:03:16   anybody who experienced this okay I

01:03:19   didn't understand what we were stepping

01:03:20   into when I brought this up last time so

01:03:22   anyway it brought back a lot of

01:03:23   nostalgia for me and because of the

01:03:25   success of the vinyl episode having like

01:03:28   created a physical thing I sort of

01:03:30   thought imagine that imagine having like

01:03:32   releasing a pair of sneakers hello

01:03:34   internet sneakers so I've taken the ball

01:03:37   and run with it and we are now going to

01:03:40   make available hello internet sneakers I

01:03:43   can't believe you've really done this

01:03:45   Brady I can't I know but I want to make

01:03:47   this clear this is not like a

01:03:48   mass-market product and I want to start

01:03:52   this by encouraging everyone who is

01:03:54   listening now to not order a pair of

01:03:57   these sneakers do not order them you are

01:04:00   not missing out on anything there's no

01:04:02   like material or episode of hello

01:04:03   Internet you're gonna miss out on you

01:04:05   should not get these in fact I would

01:04:07   suggest like skipping now what have you

01:04:10   done Brady I don't know anything about

01:04:12   this what have you done I want the to

01:04:14   watch words for the next few minutes to

01:04:16   be quality oh okay and understatement

01:04:22   okay

01:04:22   that's been my mission because look I

01:04:24   saw some people make designs of possible

01:04:26   sneak

01:04:26   and they made them like look like over

01:04:28   the top basketball high-top shoes and

01:04:30   things like that and it was very funny

01:04:31   but I wanted to create a pair of shoes

01:04:33   that I think you and I would wear Oh God

01:04:36   okay but also I wanted them to be like

01:04:38   the highest quality I didn't want to

01:04:40   like get some cheap knockoff China thing

01:04:43   where you could mass-produce

01:04:44   a thousand pairs of some shoddy things

01:04:46   that fall apart or were like super cheap

01:04:49   I wanted to make something like special

01:04:51   because I cut you know like wearing nice

01:04:53   shoes so what I've done is I've teamed

01:04:56   up with a company called crown in

01:04:59   Northampton in England which is like the

01:05:02   shoe making capital of England and it's

01:05:05   a place that also has family

01:05:07   associations for me so it was important

01:05:09   to get in touch with my shoe making

01:05:11   roots I've modified one of their premium

01:05:15   sneakers that they make these aren't

01:05:17   like sneakers that you would go and like

01:05:18   runyan these are like nice dress leather

01:05:21   sneakers that you would wear to look

01:05:22   nice in leather okay

01:05:23   yeah and they're going to be like dark

01:05:25   grey hello internet color with white

01:05:28   trimming and like a white toe area and

01:05:30   then embossed with a specially made

01:05:33   brass stamp which is currently been

01:05:35   forged embossed on one side is the nail

01:05:39   and gear into the leather but it's not

01:05:41   like colour it's not going to be like a

01:05:42   big white nail and gear and look all

01:05:44   it's like just embossed into the leather

01:05:46   it's just depressed into the leather

01:05:48   subtle classy and then on the tongue of

01:05:52   the leather upper

01:05:53   another brass step but I'm having made

01:05:55   is embossed again the a chai so it's got

01:06:00   the hello internet branding but like you

01:06:02   wouldn't immediately know to look at it

01:06:03   I want it to look nice you could wear

01:06:05   this out to a bar and you know look cool

01:06:06   and like we were going to have white

01:06:09   laces and we may still have white laces

01:06:11   available but I just thought it would

01:06:14   look better with the gray laces which

01:06:15   have to be specially imported from Italy

01:06:18   there's special waxed laser oh oh this

01:06:22   is like a premium premium pair of shoes

01:06:25   oh my god yeah oh my god Brady they're

01:06:29   gonna look amazing I've already got like

01:06:31   a sample of one of the other shoes but

01:06:33   obviously these ones haven't been made

01:06:34   yet so the hello Internet limited

01:06:37   edition sneakers are a thing but they're

01:06:39   like

01:06:40   they're really expensive gray they're

01:06:42   made in England already which is already

01:06:43   going to make them expensive and I can't

01:06:46   undercut the price they sell them for

01:06:48   elsewhere anyway so I have to use like

01:06:51   the market controlled price so these are

01:06:53   expensive shoes you should not buy them

01:06:55   I'm getting a pair and I'm going to get

01:06:58   gray a pair when he gives me his shoe

01:06:59   size if anyone else wants them because

01:07:01   they're really into sneakers already

01:07:03   likes them you can order them you can

01:07:05   order your size and then they'll be made

01:07:07   to order to your specifications these

01:07:09   are bespoke special sneakers but if you

01:07:13   are not obsessed with sneakers or you

01:07:15   don't have like money to spend do not

01:07:18   order these do not order these I'll

01:07:20   share pictures of them and people can

01:07:22   look at them and I'll make a video of

01:07:23   how they're made and you can just enjoy

01:07:24   that you don't need to own them but if

01:07:27   you for some reason want oh they will be

01:07:28   out there to be owned you have an actual

01:07:31   cobbler yeah who's going to be yeah

01:07:33   making shoes for people individually

01:07:36   that's what's happening here it's an

01:07:38   English family business that's been

01:07:40   going for like a hundred years they

01:07:41   specialize in shoes and these are going

01:07:43   to be made to order the special color

01:07:45   leather is being ordered the laces are

01:07:48   being brought in from Italy each pair

01:07:50   and be handmade in England to order to

01:07:53   the for the person who ordered it I mean

01:07:56   what like delivered to your door by a

01:07:58   beautiful maiden on a horse like I like

01:08:00   but don't step this at all okay I have

01:08:04   to wrap my head around this whole thing

01:08:05   alright you're saying that there is a

01:08:07   company that still exists today yep that

01:08:10   is just a bespoke custom small-scale

01:08:14   shoe manufacturer like I almost feel

01:08:16   like I can't believe that such a thing

01:08:17   exists in the modern economy

01:08:19   Northamptonshire which is a place close

01:08:21   to my heart is famous for shoe making in

01:08:24   England obviously most of the industry

01:08:26   gets decimated like all these industries

01:08:28   too but there are still a handful of

01:08:29   these bespoke shoemakers littered around

01:08:32   the county of Northampton sheer and I

01:08:34   called on my friends but unbelievably I

01:08:37   know people in the shoe business in

01:08:39   Northampton cheer and I said to them I

01:08:41   want limited edition sneakers who do I

01:08:43   speak to and they said speak to this guy

01:08:45   called Chris at crown he already makes

01:08:48   these amazing sneakers I contacted him

01:08:50   he showed me what he makes mhm I told

01:08:52   him how I wanted them customer

01:08:53   hasn't changed for hello Internet and

01:08:55   we've been exchanging ideas and having

01:08:57   phone calls and he's been sending me

01:08:58   designs mm-hmm let me send you a picture

01:09:00   now so you can get some idea of what

01:09:03   we're talking about the final design is

01:09:05   not yet in place so you will anyone who

01:09:08   orders these will kind of be ordering

01:09:09   them off plan so you're taking a bit of

01:09:11   a risk this is a prototype image that

01:09:13   that's what I'm gonna be looking at and

01:09:14   it hasn't even got the nailing gear on

01:09:16   it yet the one I'm sending you okay so

01:09:18   imagine these kind of with a bit of a

01:09:19   more of a gray upper nailing gear in

01:09:22   subtly subtly embossed on the side

01:09:25   what's an upper I don't know your shoe

01:09:27   manufacturing terms the app is like the

01:09:29   upper part of the shoe like with the

01:09:30   leather and all that not like the rubber

01:09:32   heel part that deals with where the

01:09:35   rubber meets the road okay okay okay so

01:09:38   I see what you mean by their formal

01:09:40   sneakers yes you kept saying this and I

01:09:43   have didn't really have any idea what

01:09:44   you mean by this like I have no frame of

01:09:46   reference yeah for the existence of

01:09:48   formal sneakers yeah looking at this I

01:09:49   can completely see what you mean that

01:09:51   they are formal sneakers yeah you could

01:09:54   wear them just casually but you could

01:09:56   also get away with wearing them on a

01:09:58   night out there like nice yeah they're

01:10:00   not like going to the gym and running on

01:10:02   the treadmill sneakers they're like

01:10:04   casual wear I don't know what the word

01:10:06   is I don't know enough about sneakers I

01:10:08   should buy now but a studio I could

01:10:12   definitely use a pair of sneakers that

01:10:13   looks nice too let me get away with

01:10:15   still wearing sneakers and it seems like

01:10:17   these could definitely fit that bill you

01:10:18   have to have a peg right surely even if

01:10:21   you don't wear them you have to at least

01:10:22   have except a pair well I have to accept

01:10:24   a pair to wear for any in-person events

01:10:27   we ever do when you're doing hello

01:10:29   internet across America right and we

01:10:31   stop at various cities that might look a

01:10:33   bit weird if you and I wearing matching

01:10:34   sneakers no no the awesome or look we

01:10:37   can alternate the sneakers at different

01:10:39   cities that's the way it can work right

01:10:41   so we don't look too weird so I'll

01:10:42   create a page you can put an order and

01:10:45   if you want but please this is not like

01:10:48   a business thing this is just a thing

01:10:50   I've done so they can exist but it would

01:10:52   pointless to make like one pair and just

01:10:54   me right so I do like the idea that

01:10:55   there are a few pairs out there but if

01:10:57   you've got some weird completionist

01:10:59   thing in your head that makes you think

01:11:00   you have to own these you don't right

01:11:02   there is nothing necessary about these

01:11:05   this is Brady just doing

01:11:06   a fun thing so that it can exist and

01:11:09   they are out there so it feels like the

01:11:12   most Brady project that you could

01:11:15   possibly do to me it's just it really

01:11:17   feels that way I'm just worried that

01:11:19   people are going to get upset because

01:11:21   like I didn't decide to like find the

01:11:23   cheapest thing I could do and like you

01:11:25   know I have a hundred made in China or

01:11:27   something I decided to go down this

01:11:29   bespoke English handmade cobbler artisan

01:11:32   which is you know postures cushions kind

01:11:34   of thing because I've gone down that

01:11:36   path I realize it's going to exclude

01:11:38   more most people it would exclude me I

01:11:41   wouldn't buy them except that I'm doing

01:11:42   it so I realized like this is these are

01:11:45   more expensive than the sneakers I wear

01:11:46   such a bit silly but how many times in

01:11:50   my life am I gonna make like you know my

01:11:52   own pair of sneakers so there you go I'm

01:11:54   sorry I know it was not your intention

01:11:56   and you tried so hard to stop me I

01:11:59   really did I really did try to stop you

01:12:02   Brady it was one of these things like

01:12:04   sometimes you pitch me ideas and I feel

01:12:07   like I can stop you yeah but I knew

01:12:09   there was something about this one that

01:12:11   right away even though it makes no sense

01:12:12   at all as a project I just knew there

01:12:15   was something about this that captured

01:12:16   your mind so yeah I'm kind of not

01:12:19   surprised that this has come to pass

01:12:21   even though it's sort of a terrible idea

01:12:23   all around

01:12:24   I do think you out to me though and have

01:12:26   no choice in the matter that you have to

01:12:27   give these official status I would feel

01:12:29   like a monster if I didn't give them

01:12:31   official status

01:12:32   so yes Brady these are the official

01:12:34   limited-edition sneakers of hello

01:12:36   Internet there you go give them my

01:12:39   blessing

01:12:39   alright even though they're crazy and

01:12:41   I'll get you a pair they do have sizes

01:12:43   and all sorts they're like really it's a

01:12:45   good product it is worthy of our name

01:12:47   I'll have to figure out what my shoe

01:12:49   sizes I'll send you the sizing chart and

01:12:51   I'll be on the website as well and

01:12:52   people couldn't figure it all out and so

01:12:55   even though I don't think many people

01:12:57   should own these I do want people to

01:12:58   feel part of the process so I'm going to

01:13:01   try and go to the factory when they're

01:13:02   made and show how they were made oh cool

01:13:04   I'm gonna see the nailing gear being

01:13:05   embossed into the leather whoo that

01:13:07   sounds very cool I like the idea that

01:13:09   we've got a nailing gear brass stamp

01:13:11   that had to be made as well that's

01:13:12   pretty cool yeah do we get to keep that

01:13:13   can I keep that as part of the process

01:13:15   do you know what I haven't actually

01:13:16   asked about that I'm paying for it so I

01:13:19   would imagine so he said you could

01:13:20   user for other things if you wanted like

01:13:22   you could embossed leather key rings and

01:13:23   stuff like that with it so it may come

01:13:25   in handy one day if we ever have the

01:13:27   official leather keyring of hello in

01:13:28   today but for now it will just be

01:13:30   something that sits somewhere like the

01:13:32   official cast of the vinyl record which

01:13:34   I don't know where their desire that

01:13:36   wherever the the cast is they used to

01:13:37   press the vinyl that must exist

01:13:39   somewhere as well how's that for a

01:13:41   collector's item wherever that is

01:13:42   there you go hello internet sneakers

01:13:44   limited edition you're an impressive man

01:13:46   Brady Pasha's cuz you an impressive man

01:13:48   ah now I'm gonna regret it it's gonna

01:13:50   turn into some kind of debacle but I'm

01:13:52   genuinely impressed but like as a side

01:13:54   note that you've done this Brady's I

01:13:56   can't believe it

01:13:57   absolutely it was a bit easier than it

01:13:58   sounds it doesn't matter I would never

01:14:00   do it in a thousand years I would never

01:14:02   even know where to start so I'm

01:14:03   genuinely impressed I have a bit of flag

01:14:08   news Brady hmm regular coverage of all

01:14:11   the important flag news on our podcast

01:14:13   yeah I never realized until we started

01:14:15   hello Internet how much important flag

01:14:17   news there was was all this flag news

01:14:19   out there before we started like all of

01:14:21   these controversies and votes and I mean

01:14:25   obviously this stuff's been rolling on

01:14:26   for years but now it's just flooding our

01:14:28   inboxes I don't know there's always

01:14:29   important flag news going on I mean how

01:14:32   do you think the vexillology subreddit

01:14:34   stays active every day like everything

01:14:36   in the whole world but they manufacture

01:14:37   their own news though they kind of cheat

01:14:39   they're like oh let's design the

01:14:40   American flag with you know the theme of

01:14:42   pigeons like that's not news that's just

01:14:45   flag nerds entertaining themselves I'm

01:14:48   talking about real news like important

01:14:50   stuff like changes to official nests

01:14:53   there's always super important flag news

01:14:55   like this story about how Nebraska flew

01:14:58   its flag upside down at the Capitol for

01:15:01   10 days and nobody noticed because it's

01:15:05   such a terrible design just cuz no one

01:15:08   looks up at Flags you could fly the

01:15:10   American flag upside down from the White

01:15:12   House and I bet and I would have noticed

01:15:13   for a week no if you flipped the

01:15:15   American flag you would have someone

01:15:16   noticed immediately because flags flop

01:15:20   down on the pole if it was really windy

01:15:22   fair enough you'd notice but if it's

01:15:23   just a flag drooping on a pole you could

01:15:26   easily have it there for a week and I

01:15:27   wouldn't know what orientation is I bet

01:15:30   even under your opposition here

01:15:33   of droopy flag I bet somebody would

01:15:35   notice the American like the American

01:15:37   flag in particular the most fanatically

01:15:40   loved flag by its citizens like no way

01:15:44   there's no way you get away with that

01:15:45   within two seconds there'd be a vet

01:15:48   complaining to a newspaper about that

01:15:50   and it would be like national news if

01:15:51   the White House accidentally had the

01:15:53   flag upside down for a minute

01:15:55   I don't think you could possibly get

01:15:56   away with it you raise an interesting

01:15:57   question though is there a country that

01:16:00   loves its flag more than Americans you

01:16:02   sort of threw that line out there like

01:16:03   it was a given but is there a country

01:16:05   maybe some obscure and we don't know

01:16:07   that for some reason has some passion

01:16:10   for its flag that exceeds even America

01:16:12   if you know one let us know that is a

01:16:15   good question I'd be curious about that

01:16:17   but I do feel like the American flag and

01:16:20   its relationship to its people is like a

01:16:22   borderline unique one hmm right with the

01:16:26   whole like America super patriotic thing

01:16:28   yeah gigantic military the flag folding

01:16:32   services like I don't know I feel like

01:16:33   it might be the most loved flag I mean

01:16:37   your national anthem is actually an

01:16:38   anthem about your flag yeah exactly

01:16:41   you don't talk about how much you love

01:16:42   your country it's about God our Flags

01:16:44   awesome yeah isn't it look at that

01:16:47   star-spangled banner it's just amazing

01:16:51   it wasn't enough to have a flag you then

01:16:54   had to write a song about the flag what

01:16:55   about the freedom you know like I

01:16:57   whatever like but look at that flag I

01:16:59   guess the opposite would be a country

01:17:01   that loves US national anthem so much

01:17:02   that it makes its flag machine music I

01:17:05   have the message yeah exactly

01:17:07   if only that existed I'll be curious to

01:17:11   hear if people have any contenders for

01:17:13   for more love flag but I think the

01:17:14   American flag is gonna win that I can't

01:17:16   even though I've said before I think

01:17:18   it's kind of garish and ugly but you

01:17:19   know it's still like it's a flag and it

01:17:22   would never fly upside down without

01:17:23   someone noticing I challenge you I admit

01:17:26   it's more likely to be noticed also

01:17:27   because of the design of the flag yeah I

01:17:29   shouldn't have chosen the American flag

01:17:31   in the White House that was too extreme

01:17:32   an example but I can imagine many many

01:17:36   flags being flown upside down in

01:17:38   prominent places and people not noticing

01:17:40   so I think jumping on this particular

01:17:42   bandwagon was a was it in the breasts

01:17:44   could you say yeah it was Nebraska

01:17:45   anyway here's the thing I

01:17:46   agree with you there's many flags that

01:17:48   could fly upside-down and nobody would

01:17:50   notice including all of those horrible

01:17:53   state flags that are just a blue

01:17:55   background with an ugly seal on it and

01:17:58   that of course is what the Nebraska flag

01:18:01   is and that's why nobody would notice

01:18:02   like any of these flags that just have

01:18:04   the seal in the blue background at ten

01:18:06   paces you can't tell if it's right-side

01:18:08   up anyway even if it's flying in a full

01:18:10   breeze right because it just there's

01:18:13   nothing to orient it it's just a circle

01:18:15   with some too small garbage in the

01:18:17   middle to actually see so I think this

01:18:19   is hilarious and I think it's an

01:18:21   indication that all of these flags

01:18:22   should we redesign oh it's definitely

01:18:23   hilarious but it doesn't mean that you

01:18:26   need to change the flag how many stories

01:18:28   are there are famous paintings being

01:18:29   hung upside down in museums and stuff

01:18:31   like this is fun stuff for the paintings

01:18:33   that's always like Oh someone hung a

01:18:35   Jackson Pollock upside down that's like

01:18:36   well is there really a right-side up to

01:18:39   that Jackson Pollock I'm gonna disagree

01:18:40   with you I don't think that there is all

01:18:42   right so I think for sure this is a case

01:18:46   that the Nebraska flag should be totally

01:18:49   redesigned I want to see this happen

01:18:51   new Nebraska flag Nebraska get on it you

01:18:54   heard it here not first but you heard it

01:18:56   here yeah hello Internet breaking the

01:19:00   news months later but yeah right we

01:19:04   never covered timely things anyway this

01:19:06   could have happened three years ago it

01:19:07   would be the exact same thing right with

01:19:09   a lukewarm not passionate plea to maybe

01:19:12   change the flag from gray I don't think

01:19:14   that was a passionate call your call for

01:19:17   hot stoppers or Starbucks now that is

01:19:18   passionate I mean but that's something I

01:19:20   have to deal with every day it's a

01:19:22   national tragedy on the scale of a

01:19:24   single person is what that you know what

01:19:25   happened though the minute these states

01:19:27   start changing their Flags though bowls

01:19:29   it up like New Zealand didn't either not

01:19:31   change it or choose bad options or you

01:19:34   can't rely on people and politicians to

01:19:36   fix the problem you need a dictator to

01:19:38   take over Nebraska and just install his

01:19:40   or her own flag yeah you can't trust

01:19:42   people that New Zealand election I still

01:19:46   look back on last year at that it's just

01:19:47   terrible election result I made I think

01:19:49   when history looks back at 2016 that's

01:19:53   going to be the thing that I remember it

01:19:54   really is New Zealand yeah you have this

01:19:57   opportunity to change the course of the

01:19:58   world

01:19:59   yep we said now stood aside the path of

01:20:02   history yep

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01:23:48   corner okay here we go just a quickie

01:23:50   that's the feeling of me tightening up

01:23:51   now I'm not going to talk about Aeroflot

01:23:53   I flew Aeroflot by the way on my trip to

01:23:56   Russia

01:23:56   what's Aeroflot aeroflot's like the

01:23:58   National Russian airliner and it wrongly

01:24:00   has a reputation for crashing a lot okay

01:24:05   I guess it's partly because of a crash

01:24:07   or two but also I think it's got such a

01:24:09   terrible name

01:24:10   Aeroflot sounds like the name a plane

01:24:13   would make when it like smacks into the

01:24:15   runway with the wheel still up Oh No did

01:24:18   you see that

01:24:19   Aeroflot it's a terrible name I'm sorry

01:24:21   Brady you almost made me spit out my

01:24:23   water with the like oh they have a

01:24:25   reputation for crashing that's

01:24:26   deserved except for the crashes well you

01:24:29   know every airline has a coupla crashes

01:24:31   but anyway now what are you gonna do so

01:24:33   when I was booked on them I was a little

01:24:35   bit apprehensive because obviously I

01:24:37   have no reason to believe I'm going to

01:24:39   die in a plane crash but I do now see

01:24:41   the irony that if it does happen what

01:24:44   everyone's going to think because I talk

01:24:45   about plane crashes so much in public it

01:24:47   feels like something the universe wants

01:24:50   to happen the more you talk about it

01:24:52   that's that's how it feels it's not

01:24:54   ritchie valens in La Bamba he's always

01:24:56   dreaming he's gonna die in a plane

01:24:57   crashing that he dies in one at the end

01:24:59   of the film but yeah but anyway so when

01:25:02   I was booked on Aeroflot I thought here

01:25:03   we go I'm tempting fate but I thought

01:25:05   the airline was fine and the air I think

01:25:09   they were all women the air hosts

01:25:11   hostesses stewards I don't know what I'm

01:25:14   supposed to call them and not get in

01:25:15   trouble he'll never know either

01:25:16   my mom was a flight attendant but I even

01:25:18   I've always felt a little bit uncertain

01:25:19   like what is the heart I'm supposed to

01:25:21   use that's a good word fly attendant the

01:25:23   Aeroflot flight attendants we're the

01:25:24   coolest uniforms because they look like

01:25:28   they're from the 70s they've still got

01:25:30   like sickles and stuff all over them

01:25:32   they wear these white gloves like

01:25:34   objectivity white gloves they look

01:25:36   totally awesome Evan said to one of them

01:25:38   can I just take a picture of like the

01:25:40   gloves in your uniform I won't show you

01:25:41   or anything because it was a bit weird

01:25:43   and it just came across weird but I took

01:25:46   my picture anyway they were cool

01:25:49   uniforms I just pulled up some pictures

01:25:51   and yes they're cool-looking uniforms

01:25:52   they do look like they're straight from

01:25:54   the 70s they do have the hammer and

01:25:56   sickle on them yeah I hit just like

01:25:58   awesome I don't understand how it

01:26:01   threaded this needle in history of like

01:26:04   hammer and sickle it should be like the

01:26:07   swastika but instead it's like nah it

01:26:10   made it through some sort of threshold

01:26:12   and somehow is just kind of cool even

01:26:15   though it was sort of during a horrible

01:26:17   time if like if I sit down and using

01:26:20   like oh my serious self would be like oh

01:26:22   yes like a horrible symbol horrible time

01:26:24   how many Russians died World War two all

01:26:26   of them right that's how many is just

01:26:28   like horrible but like I don't know the

01:26:31   hammer and sickle it's just a cool

01:26:33   symbol yeah you're uh it's got this kind

01:26:34   of retro cool that it's somehow escaped

01:26:37   the stigma of what was done Android yeah

01:26:40   I

01:26:40   just don't know how that happened I'm

01:26:42   aware in London seeing like t-shirts

01:26:44   that are sometimes just like the red

01:26:45   hammer and sickle and it's like this

01:26:47   doesn't seem love I was thinking about

01:26:49   it like I sure that it should exist but

01:26:50   still some part of my brain is like yeah

01:26:52   retro cool like the Cold War wasn't that

01:26:55   a great time like no it wasn't it was a

01:26:56   terrible time but you know like I didn't

01:26:58   live through it whatever those dictators

01:27:00   they've always got the best graphic

01:27:02   design teams that's for sure yeah so

01:27:04   continuing my little quick plane crash

01:27:06   corner and sortie I just thought I'd let

01:27:09   you know that I watched the film Sulley

01:27:10   on my flight to San Francisco I thought

01:27:13   it was quite extreme it doesn't bother

01:27:15   me watching plane crash things on a

01:27:17   plane so I watched the film Sulley on

01:27:19   the plane which was really cool and

01:27:21   maybe we should talk about that film one

01:27:23   day I don't know but anyway just to let

01:27:24   you know I've watched it because a lot

01:27:25   of people said we should watch sadly

01:27:26   because it's you know it's a film about

01:27:28   a plane crash of course right so there

01:27:30   you go Eldo not crash a forced water

01:27:32   landing right as he likes to point out

01:27:35   is the difference not a difference well

01:27:37   I don't know if you're on the plane it's

01:27:39   a massive difference anyway the last

01:27:41   thing I want to talk about is Harrison

01:27:44   Ford was involved in another aviation

01:27:46   incident I don't know if you saw this

01:27:48   because it happened a little while ago

01:27:49   now he's a private pilot right he

01:27:51   actually crash-landed on a golf course a

01:27:53   little while ago yeah we discussed that

01:27:54   on the show previously I think yeah his

01:27:57   latest incident is apparently he was

01:28:00   coming in to land at an airport and he

01:28:04   was given clearance for the runway Lu

01:28:07   and it seems like investigations are

01:28:09   continuing etc etc but it seems like

01:28:12   instead of landing on the runway he

01:28:14   landed on an adjacent or parallel

01:28:17   taxiway and in the course of landing he

01:28:19   came in and landed over the top of a

01:28:22   passenger airliner that I believe was

01:28:24   sitting on the ground they had 110

01:28:26   people on it so the story's been bigd

01:28:29   uppers you're Harrison Ford near miss

01:28:31   with a passenger airline 110 people etc

01:28:34   etc now I don't know how much of a close

01:28:38   call it was if the airliner was on the

01:28:40   ground I don't think he was like on the

01:28:42   brink of you know wiping out 110 people

01:28:44   in one fell swoop it was probably more

01:28:46   danger to himself than anything but

01:28:48   let's put all of that aside for a minute

01:28:50   this is what I want to put to you gray

01:28:52   hmm

01:28:53   Harrison Ford is like this untouchable

01:28:55   legend isn't he he's han Solo

01:28:58   he's Indiana Jones he's in Blade Runner

01:29:01   he's been Jack Ryan and it seems like

01:29:04   you know his legacy is safe mm-hmm and

01:29:06   even though he's made a few dud films in

01:29:08   more recent times of Oh movie stars he

01:29:11   has the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free

01:29:13   card and leave pass because he's done

01:29:16   those things before and we love Him

01:29:18   if Harrison Ford collided with a

01:29:21   passenger airliner and took it down and

01:29:25   110 people died because of his error the

01:29:28   74 year old man flying a small plane

01:29:31   would that be his new legacy would that

01:29:35   undo all the other stuff I think for

01:29:37   some people it would yeah I don't know I

01:29:40   would imagine for most people that would

01:29:41   become an interesting trivia fact you

01:29:44   don't think that would become the

01:29:45   dominant fact let's say that that

01:29:46   happened and then we fast-forward 20

01:29:48   years and two people are sitting

01:29:50   together and they're watching one of his

01:29:51   great movies Kingdom of the Crystal

01:29:53   Skull and one leans over to the other

01:29:56   and says like oh hey did you know he you

01:30:00   think that was bad you should see what

01:30:01   he did - yeah exactly and which of these

01:30:04   things was worse it's hard to judge

01:30:05   right and he could have like an

01:30:06   interesting conversation about that I

01:30:08   agree if he had a single crash mm-hmm

01:30:10   and that was how he met his demise but

01:30:13   if he took out a hundred and ten people

01:30:14   on a passenger plane like over LA I

01:30:16   still think that would be like

01:30:18   interesting trivia fact like in

01:30:20   accidents okay especially as you go

01:30:22   farther and farther forward into the

01:30:24   future you know I think with any person

01:30:27   of note the further you go in the future

01:30:29   they either become forgotten and then

01:30:32   they can finally leave that waiting room

01:30:33   in the afterlife or yeah everything they

01:30:37   have ever done gets compressed down into

01:30:40   one or two things that's the timeline of

01:30:44   history here if he's remembered in the

01:30:46   future if anybody's still watching star

01:30:47   wars a thousand years from now which

01:30:49   they certainly will be because Disney

01:30:51   will never let the franchise go yeah I

01:30:53   think like that's how he'll be

01:30:54   remembered as the Star Wars guy it'll

01:30:56   just be like an interesting fact I think

01:30:58   perhaps the more interesting question is

01:31:01   how horrible of an atrocity would he

01:31:04   have to commit before that would be the

01:31:07   thing that people primarily remember him

01:31:08   for 300 years from now exactly so I

01:31:12   thought maybe taking out a hundred and

01:31:14   ten people in a plane might reach the

01:31:16   threshold you say no I mean clearly the

01:31:19   only atrocity he could perform that

01:31:22   would undo it must be some kind of major

01:31:25   serial killing maybe because even if he

01:31:28   shot three or four people I don't think

01:31:29   that would do it like if he went crazy

01:31:31   with a gun in a shopping mall and like

01:31:33   shot of a bunch of people I don't I

01:31:35   think that's akin to the plane crash

01:31:37   isn't it yeah I agree I'm thinking it

01:31:39   would need to be some kind of nuclear

01:31:40   terrorism that's what would need to

01:31:42   happen is that Harrison Ford

01:31:46   destroys LA with a nuclear bomb I think

01:31:51   then that would be like this is the

01:31:52   primary thing that he was remembered for

01:31:53   and people a thousand years from now

01:31:55   would get the story all wrong as it

01:31:57   always goes and he would be some like

01:31:58   actor who was spurned right and didn't

01:32:01   get what he wanted and so destroyed the

01:32:02   whole of the entertainment industry

01:32:04   that's what would happen hundred years

01:32:06   like that's how people would remember

01:32:07   the story I think this could be an

01:32:08   interesting new metric for how

01:32:10   successful your movie career has been

01:32:11   how bad an atrocity do you now have to

01:32:14   perform to undo that work there's like

01:32:16   there's some kind of sliding scale here

01:32:17   isn't it yeah at some end right it's

01:32:20   like this is the thing you'll be

01:32:21   remembered for where is the dividing

01:32:23   line where it goes from interesting fact

01:32:25   about you that might not color the movie

01:32:28   watching experience to the primary faith

01:32:30   to remember for let the kid who played

01:32:32   Anakin Skywalker I mean he's only gonna

01:32:34   like commit a shoplifting offence and

01:32:36   he's done it

01:32:36   yeah but like Harrison Ford has to set

01:32:38   off a nuclear weapon yeah I think that's

01:32:40   where I'm putting it yeah

01:32:41   nuclear terrorism the other question

01:32:43   here is should a 74 year old man be

01:32:46   allowed to pilot a plane over a major

01:32:48   city when you start telling me this

01:32:50   story that's my first thought about it

01:32:52   is is like okay once we all have

01:32:54   accidents I guess you know twice I'm

01:32:57   getting a little suspicious there's a

01:32:59   third one Harrison Ford I think someone

01:33:01   needs to take away your license you

01:33:03   can't take away hand side lies license

01:33:05   to fly I think you can right if I was in

01:33:08   charge of things you know if he was in

01:33:10   three car accidents I'd take away his

01:33:11   license to drive way too many people who

01:33:13   shouldn't be driving driving but you

01:33:15   just kind of let them because it's a

01:33:16   necessity of life in America but you

01:33:18   know flying around in your hobby is

01:33:20   airplane this is not a necessity and if

01:33:22   your 74 has anyone done like the vision

01:33:25   chart test for him recently on this kind

01:33:28   of thing or did he get his pilot's

01:33:29   license 30 years ago and you just keep

01:33:31   it forever

01:33:32   I just need to watch that scene in the

01:33:34   new Star Wars film of him running down

01:33:35   that corridor with the Millennium Falcon

01:33:37   and then they just take his license of

01:33:38   him yeah fella huh sorry man yeah I

01:33:41   don't think you should be flying I do

01:33:42   have to say though even if he did

01:33:44   destroy all of LA with a nuclear bomb I

01:33:47   still think I could watch Star Wars and

01:33:49   be like I like this movie

01:33:50   nothing no no you have to separate the

01:33:55   art from the artist you don't have to

01:33:57   like both of them

01:34:00   no we mentioned it several episodes ago

01:34:05   about West world by yet far and away the

01:34:10   most requested thing we have ever had

01:34:12   for us to watch as my memory serves you

01:34:16   watched what was it two episodes three

01:34:18   episodes and gave up on the show no I

01:34:21   think I wish more I think I watched

01:34:22   either three or four I'm not sure but

01:34:24   yeah nearly

01:34:25   most of the way towards 40% of the

01:34:28   season yeah so you didn't make it all

01:34:29   the way through no I did recently decide

01:34:32   to give it a try because of this there's

01:34:35   like a delicate balance right when

01:34:36   people are recommending you things and I

01:34:38   sometimes have this feeling of when a

01:34:40   thing gets recommended tremendously like

01:34:43   it can pass a point where I feel like I

01:34:45   don't want to watch that thing you want

01:34:46   to be a little bit rebellious oh I don't

01:34:47   want to be a shape yeah exactly

01:34:49   everybody in the world's telling me to

01:34:50   watch West world maybe I don't wanna

01:34:51   it's not gonna be on the top of my queue

01:34:54   I'm gonna watch something else because

01:34:56   I'm my own man yeah I can do whatever I

01:34:57   want like it sit here and watch some

01:34:59   terrible TV show but eventually I did

01:35:01   give in because I had some near misses

01:35:03   with some spoilers for the show and I

01:35:05   decided you know what okay

01:35:06   I'm going to try to save myself future

01:35:08   grief I'm going to sit down I'm going to

01:35:09   give it a shot and see how I like it so

01:35:11   I I did watch West world and my feeling

01:35:16   is if you watch some of the episodes I

01:35:19   am NOT going to make you watch the rest

01:35:21   of the series because I think if someone

01:35:24   sits down and watches West world if

01:35:25   you're not into it after the first two

01:35:28   episodes or you find yourself kind of

01:35:29   drifting you don't need to watch the

01:35:31   rest of the season it's not going to be

01:35:33   for you

01:35:34   but I watched it and everybody was right

01:35:37   I totally loved this show it just hit

01:35:42   like every tick box of stuff for me that

01:35:45   I really liked yeah and so I did make my

01:35:47   way through the whole series I really

01:35:49   enjoyed it I would highly recommend that

01:35:52   everybody give the first two episodes a

01:35:54   shot but I am NOT going to make you sit

01:35:57   through the rest of the season Brady I

01:35:58   think you got far enough I've got a fly

01:36:00   back to England in a few days and I've

01:36:02   got nothing to do on the plane so I've

01:36:04   only got a few episodes left to watch

01:36:05   ever know maybe I'll barrel through and

01:36:07   what ship should I watch the rest of it

01:36:09   and we'll do a proper review well I mean

01:36:11   I guess that's up to you Brady

01:36:12   I have thought sauna and learn if you've

01:36:14   got thoughts I want to hear them and I

01:36:16   know there's certainly that the people

01:36:17   listening would like to hear them and I

01:36:19   might not do it justice talking to you

01:36:21   about it if I haven't actually seen it

01:36:23   although I won't ask you as many good

01:36:25   questions or have different opinions so

01:36:27   well even though you've tipped your hand

01:36:29   a little bit by saying you liked it

01:36:31   isn't that what you like Brady don't you

01:36:32   like it yeah have things right up for

01:36:35   I'll finish it oh look at that look at

01:36:37   that okay all right

01:36:38   it wasn't gonna make you do it I guess

01:36:40   what we've discovered is we're going to

01:36:41   be assigning this for homework is that

01:36:42   what's happening at this moment at his

01:36:43   homework there we go

01:36:45   non-compulsory as always non-compulsory

01:36:47   homework I mean how could we set

01:36:49   compulsory homework I podcast listeners

01:36:51   don't have to do anything we say but I

01:36:52   think we could set compulsory homework

01:36:53   what's the nearest thing we've ever done

01:36:55   to setting compulsory homework

01:36:57   I mean entire Star Wars episodes are

01:36:59   pretty pointless if you haven't watched

01:37:00   the film yeah people do listen to them

01:37:02   you haven't without having watch the

01:37:03   movies though which I don't I don't

01:37:05   understand which I think like compulsory

01:37:07   homework

01:37:07   we'd have to assign a thing that if

01:37:10   you're watching it it would reveal a

01:37:12   password to you that you could use to

01:37:14   access an episode that you couldn't

01:37:15   listen to otherwise maybe that's what it

01:37:17   would be how about we do this so if I'm

01:37:19   gonna sit and watch the rest of wess

01:37:21   world you've already seen it and you're

01:37:23   obviously not doing much else at the

01:37:24   moment because I haven't seen new videos

01:37:26   right why don't you try and see if you

01:37:28   can fit in Sully before we do the next

01:37:29   episode and we'll have a special plane

01:37:32   crash call on a special edition movie

01:37:33   review as well okay all right just a

01:37:36   short review of Sully so sort of the

01:37:37   double homework episode that is that

01:37:39   what's going on here it was nowhere near

01:37:41   as requested as Westworld but a lot of

01:37:42   people did ask us to talk about

01:37:44   something we'll have a brief talk about

01:37:46   Sully

01:37:47   and a slightly longer talk about west

01:37:49   well in the next episode okay there you

01:37:51   go people we were going to talk about it

01:37:53   but now you're gonna wait that's what's

01:37:55   happening sorry you've probably got all

01:37:57   these notes and things you were about to

01:37:58   say about West world and I just feel

01:38:00   like I'd be like I'd feel unequipped to

01:38:02   to do it justice it's very honorable of

01:38:04   you Brady and yeah I'm certainly happy

01:38:07   to pretend that I am really prepared