Cortex 50: Golden Anniversary


  so I've been away for a few weeks and I

  haven't been playing as much attention

  to the internet as I have been

  previously and then I'm sitting in my

  office yesterday and I get a push

  notification from YouTube that cgp grey

  is live like this is new oh so I open

  the YouTube app and there is this big

  screen with a chat window on the right

  hand side and all these numbers and it

  says intermission so I'm like what's

  this chat thing so I go up and I sign up

  for discord and I appear in this chat

  room and then I am entered into the

  world of CGP grey gaming livestreamer

  hmm no yeah what is going on what of I I

  feel like I've caught you in the act

  that's how it felt to me it's like all

  of a sudden I go to see GP play which

  was set up a long time ago yeah it's

  like six videos there they're all like

  two hours long you're talking about your

  levels and your framerate and like who

  is this person and I pop into the chat

  and and then you started laughing

  because you knew I'd found you at that

  point and you've been rumbled that was

  you didn't find me I thought I was busy

  I was just doing I'm just doing my own

  thing and and you you finally finally

  noticed that's all all I will say is

  wait we have a very good working

  relationship me in you and we share

  things like this with each other when

  we're trying new stuff out you didn't

  tell me about this one you just you just

  well off on your own and got your gaming

  software that's like I don't like the

  implication there first of all Mike

  there are many things that you don't

  know about right I have like a whole

  secret life of secret projects well I

  have secrets too okay it's not a

  competition it's not a secret

  competition like wait cut if it's a

  sacred competition we wouldn't even know

  about it right well you know I guess I

  guess yeah maybe not um yeah I just you

  know I'm just just trying something out

  just playing around I'm just messing

  around on the Internet Mike mm-hmm don't

  don't you worry don't you worry I call

  my eye on you you're off to something I

  don't know what it is yet but I know

  you're up to some

  I'm not up to anything I don't even know

  what I'm up to

  happy episode 50 gray it is our golden

  anniversary happy cortex over Surrey now

  I think that cortex over Surrey is held

  back for birthdays after shower as it

  was that for birthdays for this yeah

  yeah we fell into that hole while ago I

  realized that we've actually used a name

  before but we could maybe call this a

  cortex over Surrey - it can be many

  contexts of bursaries like how the Queen

  has many birthdays we have many contexts

  of bursaries yeah it's like she gets to

  cheat she was like three birthdays like

  wait a minute how did you wrangle that

  out the answer is she's the queen yeah

  if you can make up all the rules I'd

  have 10 birthdays one up bring me all

  the presents give me a parade I want a

  parade it's my birthday twice a day you

  have to bring me two presents yeah I'm

  kind of surprised that there hasn't been

  a parade for episode 50 at the show but

  like you know whatever people don't want

  to put that together that's fine here we

  are it's it's episode number 50 and I

  mentioned this in our last episode that

  I wanted to take episode 50 as a time to

  look back on the show a little bit yes

  we've been doing we've been doing this

  for what five years now it's not think

  of something like that I actually

  genuinely don't have any idea how long

  we've been doing it it's about two years

  Wow which I never quite remember that

  it's been that long like it doesn't feel

  it doesn't feel like it's been two years

  yeah that doesn't feel right at all in

  my head either yeah we started the show

  in June 2015

  so we're rounding up on two years yeah I

  guess that makes sense right because

  last summer or how do i phrase the way

  my brain is putting this together I was

  going to say last summer existed and was

  not the Knightmare summer of when we

  started cortex yep and we're coming up

  on a new summer so yeah I guess yeah

  that would make sense about two years

  but yes so over this time I think we

  have implanted our old wisdom that we

  have right we're out of wisdom this is

  actually the last show no don't say

  stuff like that because when you say

  folks are we not supposed to tell the

  people that this is the last show don't

  do that

  don't do it

  not fair you're being mean now to the to

  the listeners that's not fair to me that

  way oh you want a different impression

  ha ha oh I thought we were doing a very

  different show today what uh sir sorry

  to say buddy check the contract who is

  still going you ain't get away from me

  yet Oh No

  why did I sign this you ain't getting

  away from me I've got you we're gonna be

  doing this for a long time to come to

  send a message to my lawyer

  well it's too late for that I've

  employed a vast team to make sure that

  you're not gonna get out of my clutches

  but we are gonna take some time to look

  back at the show and a couple of things

  I asked our listeners and also listeners

  to provide us with some times where we

  said some stupid things and also for

  people to tell us what they've learned

  over the show every now and then if

  you've said they SH you got it we got a

  review and summarize and this this is a

  review and summary of the last 50

  episodes I think who think we should

  start off with some of the stupid stuff

  we said okay so this does one for me and

  one for you here which it which I think

  kind of hilarious mmm Bernardo wrote in

  to remind me that on Episode one of the

  show I said I have an iPad I just don't

  use it ever the only thing I ever use it

  for his video and I remember I bro I

  have vivid memories of recording episode

  1 of the show oh do you yeah I remember

  it vividly and I remember at that point

  I took a look to my right hand side on

  my iPad was sitting there underneath a

  book so at that point I really was not

  on the iPad train in any way no no I

  think also like I listened to the clip

  and and you at that point really were

  not either like you were using them more

  but like pretty much primarily for

  consumption at that point is that is

  that how I described at the time kind of

  like you talked about it being like a

  great entertainment device hmm it's I

  feel like we have to go back and look at

  the record because I think maybe I was

  agreeing with you that as good as an

  entertainment device but like I always

  wrote scripts on an iPad like a lot all

  I have Starwood's that you said and

  luckily there is a record and I said

  this wouldn't be a clip show but now

  we're only five minutes in and I'm gonna

  play a clip is it fair to say maybe your

  iPhone is the most important of the two

  that's a hot if I had to pick between

  the two if I could only have one that's

  a difficult question I'd have to sit

  down and think about that for a while

  that's not immediately answerable wow

  that's surprising to me I guess that

  shows a difference in the way that let

  me and you work like I don't even use an

  iPad I have one I just don't use it ever

  right um because you know my iPhone is

  like that's like the most important

  device I own I think yeah it's it's

  closer it's closer for me it's it my my

  iPads do not live unloved on the floor

  somewhere in my house is presumably

  yours does it's like somewhere if I ever

  need it I always have to search for it

  it's never it's never in a place that's

  immediately obvious mmm like the only

  thing I ever ever use it for is to watch

  video on yeah but they're very good for

  browsing stuff I feel like I using an

  iPad for writing was always the thing

  that attracted me at the very first to

  the eye apparently there's a little

  reason I bought an iPad was I remember

  looking at my wife's iPad which I

  originally thought was like oh this will

  just be a thing used for video and then

  I saw her using I was like ooh that

  looks really interesting um and like I

  think I think I might started using this

  since I was borrowing hers all the time

  like back and back in the day but yeah

  it's I mean no matter no matter what I

  said in the clip the mic just played

  like without a doubt uh you know the

  iPads were were way closer to toys

  two years ago yeah than they are now

  yeah like even if you were doing a bunch

  of writing on them and like and I went

  I've been through phases whether they

  were useful for me from a Productivity

  perspective or not over the last you

  know seven years the iPads have been

  around mm-hmm but I wasn't in the place

  with them ever than what I am now and I

  think it was the same for you right

  where if somebody asks you what is your

  primary computer you said we would both

  say iPad but we weren't in that point

  then yeah that just wasn't really

  possible previously not because of

  software limitations and because of

  hardware limitations and yeah I think I

  think both of us have have come to the

  conclusion that we think

  of our IMAX now as production machine

  what stations yeah like yet workstations

  to be set up yep like with particular

  tools for particular purposes and that

  our iPads have taken over the role as

  general function computer right the

  device that can do a bunch of stuff that

  was definitely one of the really

  interesting things that I noticed by

  looking over the arc of the shownotes

  basically a couple of weeks after we

  started the show iOS 9 was released well

  like we know it was previewed at WDC oh

  wow ok interesting and then that starts

  everything right because it was iOS 9

  that enabled people to be able to use

  iOS more productively on an iPad and

  then it kind of moves on from there all

  the way up to the point where I buy one

  iPad on a whim and then the second one

  just because yes yes this could go from

  having one iPad under a book to two

  iPads and constant use yep

  Multi pad lifestyle yeah it's important

  Richard wrote in to say the UH nepo

  sewed for you said there's no point for

  anyone in the world to have to Apple

  watches okay I feel the need to contest

  uh-huh this like you're probably going

  to have to pay another clip we go really

  far another clip show yeah this is not a

  clip show but except except what uh I

  feel it's such a disadvantage because I

  feel like I'm gonna be arguing I can

  marketing without hearing what I said

  back in the day but I'm because I am

  willing to bet that what I was

  discussing was that was in the context

  of the limitations of the Apple watch at

  the time because if you remember when

  the Apple watch first came out there was

  no way to have more than one Apple watch

  right they paired to a phone you can't

  make the argument that like I said

  something because I didn't know the

  future that's not how this works right

  well that's all I'm saying is if the

  context of this is we say stupid stuff I

  think the full context of that quote is

  not dumb it's like oh given the

  limitations at the time it would have

  been dumb to have two watches but then

  mine's fine too because back then the

  iPad really was

  really good for video and not much else

  I think I think I was making that

  argument for you earlier it's not that

  like me and you a categorically stupid

  it's that given what we know now with

  hindsight these things are funny mmm

  that's what this is I don't know I feel

  like everything oh well let listeners

  decide when they listen to that clip but

  I bet there is some context about given

  the limitations of the device at the

  time it would be dumb to have more than

  one watch now it's obviously great to

  have two watches yeah I guess maybe even

  three what you don't do you know I don't

  know I don't I don't know but it has

  crossed my mind like oh I could imagine

  a situation where three would be really

  useful well four huh

  well now four is crazy there's no reason

  in the world for anyone for watches

  episode 75 and episode 50 I think my

  contract ends at episode 74 Dustin I

  just don't do this to people you know

  you have to unpair the watch and like go

  rego through a kind of load from backup

  irritating semi set up process for

  switching over the watches so even if

  you wanted to be a crazy person who had

  redundant watches which i think is a

  little bizarre Apple is saying no on

  this one there they're putting down

  their foot and going you can't have

  redundant watches I don't know if you

  can start throwing the bizarre tag

  around you do have like three iPads in

  use yes but there are uses for all those

  iPads yeah but there will be used for

  the two watches want to track your sleep

  want to go about your day with um okay

  but but even even if even if you could

  pair two watches this is all notion of

  using the watch to track your sleep as a

  redundant one that wouldn't it wouldn't

  work anyway the watch isn't designed for

  that and I don't think this sleep

  tracking with the current state of it

  would even work over night anyway so is

  there is no point in the world to having

  two Apple watches there's there's an

  this is a solution for nobody's problem

  that like this this accomplishes nothing

  whereas you know there are many many

  cases of more than one iPad being

  useful there was also a time when you

  said no more than 10 episodes so you

  know now look at you yeah overworked

  doll overworked like a beast of burden

  that's not what I am like just a slave

  producing content an endless stream of

  content that's my life is that is that

  what you do that's what it feels like

  that's what I feel like I feel like CGP

  grey production of an endless stream of

  Conte it never ends from my perspective

  what if you keep adding things to it

  that is true yeah that's that's that's

  one thing that's the thing you don't

  have yourself to blame it's like a

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  their support of this show one of my

  favorite things about the follow up that

  we get from this show is when people

  write in to say that's something that we

  spoken about has made a big impact in

  their life and it's kind of like the

  reverse of care tax which is a thing

  that we try and do every now and then

  and I continue to encourage people to

  send things like this into us like

  questions you know where they maybe need

  some advice from us if they think we're

  in a position be able to help but the

  other side of it is when people write in

  and say how things that we've broken

  about on the show have just helped them

  um and I wanted to cover a few of those

  as well as just some people that have

  made some interesting changes to their

  life having listened to the show

  Ariba 66 on reddit wrote in to say if a

  few things that they have done since

  listening to cortex and I feel like that

  they more than anybody encapsulated the

  whole run of the show into their life so

  this person says now I listen to

  thunderstorm sounds throughout my whole

  day because it occupies the part of my

  mind that can't stand silence but still

  lets me think ah fantastic yeah they got


  except when I'm at the gym when it's

  girl talks all day which is quite

  possibly the best motivational album

  ever created mmm yeah I don't listen to

  that the gym but that could make for

  some really good gym music always good

  at the gym is good at the gym you should

  do that but then you might start writing

  accidentally and then then who knows

  what's going to happen yeah now the hope

  the whole point of this is you have to

  train your brain for different contexts


  it can't be gym music because it's work

  music girl-talk has more than one album

  now there's only one album that exists

  and that is all day interesting

  they go on to say I've got GTD systems

  on every device in my email inboxes

  always at zero now I'll say they didn't

  learn that from us because I was gonna

  say how you doing work better than me on

  that yeah you've definitely passed us in

  the in the getting your inbox to zero

  the thing I now have personal finance

  tracker z' that I've built in Excel

  because no app would do what I needed I

  understand that yeah I know they can

  forecast my spending and savings twelve

  months into the future I want these

  spreadsheets personally okay it sounds

  like sounds like this person has built

  an unintentional business look like if

  you can you can start selling these

  spreadsheets why Smart Watch notifies we

  went to do my laundry and charge my

  toothbrush and even go to sleep because

  it's in my calendar stored on my ever

  muted phone hmm since I started

  listening to cortex about eighteen

  months ago I don't feel like I have

  intentionally changed anything

  dramatically I feel more like things

  that I have learned and dripped that

  into my daily life and routines have

  just allowed me to be more myself

  allowing me to see a future horizon in

  all the different directions of my life

  I like this paragraph because I think

  this sums up me hmm I haven't really

  tried to make any big changes

  specifically because of that what I've

  learned over this show and later on in

  the show I'm gonna say what I feel like

  I have learned and I how I have changed

  but most of the things that I've done

  they've just happened because of us

  talking about this stuff I don't think

  there are many things if any that I did

  is like this big experiment with maybe

  the exception of time tracking yeah no I

  totally agree with you and I like this

  comment as well it's funny I was I was

  actually just talking to talking to my

  wife about this the other day about how

  again it is it is rare that there's a

  big conscious thing that changes your

  life for the better like those events

  happen but most of your life is about

  constantly making small little changes

  over time and then it's only like when

  you look back you realize like oh I've

  changed over the past year I've changed

  12 things

  each of which has had a positive

  influence on the way that I live or the

  way that I work and like that that kind

  of that kind of slow small even sort of

  like semi unintentional positive changes

  like those are the things that really

  make like daily life more frictionless

  and-and-and like really add up at home I

  am a better more relaxed a more

  available person to the people I care

  about then I was before a work I can

  tell you that I have spent exactly 45

  hours 48 minutes and 37 seconds on my

  current web development project moving

  outside of work I'm meeting with an app

  developer tomorrow to start work on a

  side project Oh exsiting side projects

  are always exciting I would love to know

  because this person wrote in to us a

  while ago and I've been saving it mmm

  I would love some follow-up Erebus 66

  how is that side project going I'd love

  to know an honest 1642 am at have both

  switched to using the Dvorak keyboard as

  their primary keyboard I would say that

  Ana's 1642 am at Godspeed to you but I

  think that you're both very brave for

  doing this I'm gonna get you to switch

  to Dvorak Mike that's something I'm

  telling you will not happen it's gonna

  be really easy especially when you're

  using an iPad all the time that Dvorak

  is gonna be super easy to switch to

  hasn't changed there's nothing so that

  can do that for you

  no no Apple developers if you're

  listening just just um just go throw it

  out there Dvorak layout what about

  Bluetooth keyboard like it do you use a

  Dvorak keyboard for your iPad yeah

  luckily that is that is a setting that

  has been in there for forever that when

  you're using an external keyboard you

  can set it to be Dvorak but it's just

  the annoying thing is like I would use

  the glass keyboard more if I could use

  that as as a Dvorak layout but I just I

  just can't so I always have to type

  really weirdly and slowly that way but

  yeah those those brave souls who switch

  to Dvorak I wish you the best I do

  really like it like it has personally

  benefited me but I can't I can't exactly

  feel like I'm a huge evangelist about

  this because it is

  it is like having a lobotomy when you

  first try to switch it's like you've

  just lost part of your brain yeah I'm

  not interested in the switching costs

  for that one I'll tell you that for free

  yeah and there are annoyances forever

  when you switch Dvorak again worth it

  for me I've never had RSI problems in my

  hands with regards to typing since I

  made the switch which you know I didn't

  have before which is again thing I'll

  just mention for anybody who's having

  that this might be this might be a very

  good reason to switch to Dvorak and I

  congratulate those who have come to the

  Dvorak master race but there are always

  Lori's know you conscious attached

  master race to anything did you think is

  better because then you're gonna get the

  pcmasterrace on your case well you know

  unluckily for them they're the inferior

  race they just don't know it well I

  don't know man your iMac frame rate

  would maybe suggest differently

  I'm just haven't gotten the settings

  right yeah okay good good I'm still

  working on that it is funny to hear you

  say on your gaming livestreams about

  having a top-of-the-line iMac and then

  everybody just laughs at you we think we

  can come to that later oh yes Joshua

  started his own company oh wow

  which is kind of incredible

  congratulations to you mm-hmm

  Alex started using a task manager sleep

  tracker on a time management system and

  Rosemarie was joined Alex in using time

  tracking and overhauled their to-do

  system I like all this feedback what one

  thing I think I have found interesting

  from our more recent shows is how the

  time tracking sections feel like they're

  the divisive sections yet people are

  either super into the time tracking they

  just do not like it yeah or feel like

  they're going to die listening to people

  talk about down tracking I find I find

  that very interesting

  yep that that there's there's like of

  almost any topic I feel like there's no

  topic that has a stronger mmm

  disagreements in the everything we have

  done I mean so like people will fight

  over Android and iOS yeah and stuff like

  that but they're not necessarily

  fighting against us yeah they did

  overtime tracking

  yeah where is it like I've definitely

  been on the receiving end like please

  tell me more the exact details of your

  time tracking system and also for the

  love of God never talk about time

  tracking again yeah it's like it's like

  it's like getting my teeth pulled I

  can't stand it I guess there's something

  about that I find really really

  interesting and that actually does make

  me want to evangelize even more the

  benefits of time tracking do everybody I

  feel like no like no you people who are

  anti time tracking you just don't

  understand how how life-changing and how

  fantastic this can this can be it really

  is it's changed everything we're not

  going to get into it now because we

  don't want to start this oh but but like

  I have to say you know I mean people

  know we started talking about time

  tracking a lot in the beginning of the

  year because I was trying to do this

  thing of time tracking lots of hours in

  the day and I've got to say like I can

  feel like this is this is a thing that

  makes a huge difference and if you are

  if you are an anti time tracking person

  I'm like I'm gonna say it again like

  just start small like just just track

  your prime working hours it's like a

  little gateway drug to seeing how useful

  and helpful this is I think I've got to

  pull the ripcord on this wherever one

  turns off we will come back to time

  tracking again one day yeah we will give

  a lot of notice so people can just skip

  if they're not interested yeah but I do

  just find it interesting so divisive I

  tested Edina right because when we were

  getting the feedback from people at the

  saying they weren't enjoying it I asked

  I was like what did we talk about in the

  episode and she didn't know mm she

  couldn't answer when we were talking

  about time tracking so I added that she

  switches off to that to his time

  tracking doesn't look like anything to

  me yeah so don't worry listener if you

  were unhappy about our time tracking

  conversations people in my own house

  wear as well so you know alone I will

  ask you though because though many

  people that brought up their

  productivity management has there been

  any movement on your productivity

  management are you using any type of

  to-do app anymore or you just you still

  living like a man on the wind is that

  why you're driving trucks more cuz you

  don't know what your tasks are no

  it's a you know it's a free lifestyle

  being a trucker on the road you don't

  have to keep track of tasks it's just

  there's only ever one thing just you

  feel and the delivery right that's all

  it takes yeah it's like where am i

  bringing this truck full of Lego - oh

  I'm bringing it over there man I haven't

  played trucks him in a while I'm getting

  that pull man would ya you miss it you

  miss a dose I'm gonna go by the truckin

  yeah you're going to UM but but to

  answer the question what I what I have

  been doing is I was living just totally

  unhinged for a while and I have very

  very little money special see just be

  great totally on him um I have very

  slowly been bringing some stuff

  mindfully back into OmniFocus so I

  actually cleared out the whole of my

  OmniFocus database Wow just to start

  over fresh wow you burned it down huh

  yeah I did I did I totally burned it

  down because it was again a thing of

  like I want to I want to think about how

  am I going to use this and I still don't

  have a full system set up in a

  meaningful way but I am using OmniFocus

  to again do all the like the templating

  stuff that we've discussed previously

  that they can do for a bunch of

  checklists so I have returned to using

  OmniFocus for those checklists but I'm

  using it less than I did before but

  again this is an intentional like slow

  rethinking of how do I want to use some

  of these tools so there is a system but

  not a full system yet so this is just a

  selection of the people that wrote in to

  say that they're using these systems to

  do management time tracking mmm sleep

  tracking stuff like that mmm not one

  person wrote in to say about the email

  habits changing that no one wrote in to

  talk about the email apps that they're

  using nobody brought in to talk about

  like adopting your VIP system nobody we

  spent so much time on email that should

  have been the divisive topic but it was

  not mmm but nobody wrote in to say

  anything about there

  no habit I guess I guess it's because

  people's email that they've all got it

  locked down yeah everybody's everybody

  is perfectly happy with their email

  clients everybody's doing great I'm

  using a mail still by the way in case

  anybody's gonna keep in school I'm back

  to mail Dada

  Oh again because uni box like it updated

  the week before I mentioned it on the

  show and it never updated again oh I

  think it's dead oh no it was like not a

  novel one yeah it was like mentioning it

  on the show like oh is the kiss of death

  we had to stop talking about things we

  like you know that right yeah we had to

  keep it secret eh so was convinced to

  buy an iPad pro so that it's basically a

  monster reddit email Netflix and YouTube

  device which I can get behind you know I

  like to do my work but I also love to

  watch YouTube on it how else was how

  else will i watch grey drive across

  America on my iPad that's where I do it

  yeah so it's big enough you can see the

  chat something like that dave says that

  they refuse to put any apps on the

  bottom row of his home screen or more

  than three apps in the dock yeah that's

  the way to do it that's the way to do it

  really yeah the three app that I don't

  know why I disagree with this so much

  with the three apps in the dock it looks

  so nice let's push wasted space and the

  empty bottom row it's for temporary apps

  I fill up my entire screen now grey I

  know you do and it looks like garbage

  the whole thing the whole thing is full

  of apps now yeah if it works for you

  that's fine I have too many things to do

  but I do many things to do so you need

  all those apps yeah I need them all

  there where else am I gonna put my time

  tracker I don't know if it I don't think

  that that's not a valid that's not a

  valid conclusion they are you doing to

  me like perfectly valid you are you are

  a podcaster mm-hmm like I'm a podcaster

  educational video producer live streamer

  hey hey I'm a I'm a business owner

  podcaster and youtuber alright I'll wear

  those hats I still don't think that

  justifies all the apps on your phone but

  you know if you like it that's fine so I

  have a seeker about you this is

  something that I've been holding on to

  for about six months and have not

  mentioned it

  but I think now is the time to address

  it mmm so you have been a proponent of

  the iPhone se right that has been

  something that we've spoken about in the

  past you love the little phone it's the

  perfect phone and all that nonsense when

  you moved away from the big phone about

  six months ago when we were in Ireland

  together I spotted you and you knew I

  saw you using an iPhone 7 ooh

  the regular-sized iPhone 7 whoo

  you know you don't use the iPhone se

  anymore do you gray oh we we can't get

  into this Mike this is like is this like

  your whole thing uh-huh we can't get

  into this now all right this is we can't

  we can't do this right now

  it's too much it's too much okay now is

  that we I wanted to tell I want our

  listeners to know all right

  need to know that you've been living a

  lie for this time is not living a lie I

  haven't mentioned anything you're living

  a life of a mission yeah that's that's

  what being a being a public person in

  the world is like hey guess what you

  don't always mention absolutely

  everything you do all the time yeah sure

  well I mean we talk about every product

  Under the Sun that we buy on this show

  but you neglected to mention this one

  cuz it's like it's the whole thing I

  don't want I don't want to get into it

  right now it's like a big story well I

  want to listen this to know we're gonna

  get into this no okay all right I won't

  ever want to go to the reddit and and

  say about how much they want us to

  discuss this the fact that you neglected

  the SE and have moved to the iPhone 7

  because I think everybody deserves to

  know why yes a mic doesn't even know

  what I've done Mike doesn't even have

  any idea and it's gonna be tumbleweeds

  in that reddit all I know that is that

  you've done it and I spotted you and

  even then you refuse to talk about it

  you think you think you know you think

  you know but you don't know Mike I was

  in SC in a big case well tough yes yeah

  we'll talk about it some other time

  we'll talk about some other time right

  now I'm enjoying how we've improved

  people's lives Mike oh yeah we don't

  need to get into like a big phone big

  phone sign tangent right now right yeah

  okay should we go back to talking about

  the people yeah let's go back to talking

  about the people your favorite topic


  yeah my favorite topic I think things

  were and to say this show has taught me

  that nobody is born a youtuber or

  podcaster now that line is the most

  beautiful backhanded compliment I've

  ever received how is that backhanded

  it's like because it's like these two

  not very good they found their own way

  they don't have that I hope natural-born

  Talent proceeded like it was spoken

  about it but that makes it sound like

  you believe you were predestined to be a

  podcaster right you're like who's this

  who's this person telling me that I was

  not born to be a podcaster hmm I don't

  know about that one I know what they're

  trying to say but it's a part of me

  that's kind of just like he doesn't have

  any real talent listen I think things in

  the reddit I really like that line I

  appreciate it don't listen oh I do

  appreciate it but I also see a different

  side to it I'm choosing to believe that

  they mean it in a good way

  mmm before the show in my head gray was

  just meant to be a youtuber and you just

  had the talent of a podcaster the course

  of this show helped me to realize that

  you're just a once bank manager or

  marketer who spent enough time doing

  something interesting that you became

  very good at it 104 it gray is just a

  high school physics teacher who got fed

  up and wanted to do something completely

  on his own and just got good at making

  interesting videos I don't say this is

  an insult there you go see see think but

  they know that it can be right I don't

  say this is an insult I say that as a

  realization that all the people in

  internet celebrities I know are no

  different than me except that they tried

  something and succeeded and now I'm

  trying something to and drive him for

  success so thanks yeah that's that's

  fantastic I was making fun I was making

  fun oh don't get all sensitive now Mike

  how come why'd you make me out to be a

  bad person yeah god I can't allow that

  you left yourself open I know I did I

  know that was a bad move I made a

  misstep that's it I mean it is a good

  point because I think it's something

  that me and you have tried to to talk

  about a lot and there's a couple of

  strands to it you know like we talked

  about the fact that people have talent I

  mean there are people that have

  differing skills and some people who are

  better at some things than others

  but really you can get by in a lot of

  ways by just really trying hard and

  working at something you know and

  because you know I don't know if

  necessarily me or you have any real

  talents that that make us good at what

  we do except we put in a lot of time and

  work to try and get to the places that

  we're at like I really like this because

  you know I've met I mentioned before

  back when I was just a physics teacher

  like I was always trying to encourage

  the the kids who were like interested in

  doing a thing that you could just start

  in life like just like just get started

  like that's it is at the same time like

  the most useless advice you can possibly

  give someone and the most true advice

  that you can possibly give someone right

  it's like just if you want to try to do

  a thing like just try to do the thing

  you know you don't you don't need

  certification or predestination from

  from somebody else like you can just you

  can just give it a go and and and try

  and repeat and iterate and see what

  works and see what doesn't work and try

  to follow the path that seem like

  they're more promising than the paths

  that are less promising and yeah I think

  that that is the big difference like the

  difference between someone who tries

  anything at all and doesn't try anything

  is it's just like infinite like so you

  just just give it a shot it's good

  advice but it's such a nice it really is

  yeah like I know how it I know how it

  feels to hear that from people it's like

  the same one as when someone says how do

  I grow my youtube channel or podcast and

  the answer is keep making great things

  yeah right it is good advice but the

  worst advice yeah it or or it's like

  Nike telling you that with regards to

  exercise just do it I am like go fuck

  yourself Nike oh yeah like I know I know

  how the feels right but that is at the

  same time as like well I guess they're

  not wrong about like you know going for

  a run I guess I just have to do it right

  but like no one don't want to hear for

  me right like I've got it yeah exactly

  yeah it doesn't help that that's still

  telling you to just do it yeah and and

  and it is it is strange to be in the

  situation where I remember being on the

  other side

  that like I remember being the student

  and hearing other people say this kind

  of thing and so then it's weird being on

  the opposite side be like no but for

  realsies yeah like you really just you

  really just have to register YouTube

  account and just try but but that is the

  truth like I still have like really

  strong feelings like emotional feelings

  of memories too like when I was trying

  to make something of myself and I would

  see people like overtake me mm-hmm

  and it was like why did I get to you

  know and you know we're at the point

  where I feel like I was good enough and

  I felt like people with equal skill to

  me were having more success and and it

  was I remember feeling like why is this

  happening you know I remember all that

  stuff there's like a conversation that

  goes around all the time about like how

  much of success is the result of like

  hard work and how much of it is luck

  right and this is like conversation that

  happens all the time and you know people

  say like oh it's it's it's all luck

  right or it's all hard work it's

  obviously some combination of the two

  yeah and I think you can drive yourself

  crazy because you can see situations

  like like what you're just describing

  there where you Mike are trying to get

  started and you can see people who you

  think have the same level of skill as

  you surpassing you and at a certain

  level like yeah how successful someone

  is does largely come down to a question

  of luck like it definitely does but

  regardless of that you have to work to

  put yourself into a position where you

  can be exposed to lucky situations yep

  right and so when someone says like oh

  it's all it's all just luck right if

  people do well in the world or not it's

  like well nobody gets lucky by sitting

  on a couch all day doing nothing all

  right like that happened to nobody even

  the people you suspect may have done

  very little to get their successes like

  they've done more than you think and so

  that's why the you have to just make a

  youtube channel or you have to just

  start with the podcast or you have to

  just start your project on the side

  whatever it is

  that that's why that is the most

  important thing because it puts you in a

  position to potentially be lucky and and

  that's the big difference like that that

  is what can make all of the difference

  yeah and even if luck is what gets you

  there it's hard work that keeps you

  there right like you can be lucky I can

  it kind of goes around right like hard

  work ish to the place that you need to

  be to be lucky but then you can't ride

  the luck then in some ways have to work

  harder because you're in a place now

  yeah you have to do maintenance on it as

  well like it's a it's a little feedback

  cycle but I I get I get bothered by it

  sometimes because when I see people say

  like Oh success is entirely dependent on

  luck and say well that sounds like a

  great excuse to do nothing is what that

  sounds like right like that's kind of

  that's kind of what you're telling

  yourself like oh if I sit here and never

  start any side projects

  maybe I'll just be lucky like Steve Jobs

  like I think it's gonna happen right

  that the way this works was be lucky I

  don't know yeah he was para doesn't

  thrown in with some brief thoughts on

  how to cortex has changed their life

  I found the show in the late summer in

  2015 when I was drowning work because

  one fifth of our department was out on

  maternity leave and I was picking up a

  lot of the slack it was too much and I

  was too unorganized and into compound

  matters some RSI problems were occurring

  I think that I'd already jumped to a Mac

  and I was certainly on an iPhone at this

  point but I wasn't all-in on Apple and I

  wasn't really thinking about workflow

  and productivity in the terms the grain

  might presented it I then bought my

  first iPad bought another iPhone bullpen

  tablet Mac's at home as well as work

  much more careful and thoughtful use of

  email calendaring rules iOS notes tasks

  list of under lists workflow the whole

  nine yards cortex helped me get

  organized during a difficult time and

  sent habits that served me well ever

  since and made the transition to a new

  job much easier well congratulations

  guess it's someone who maybe used some

  of our email knowledge did they mention

  email in there I don't even think they

  did like thoughtful years of email okay

  all right there you go

  you have something to hang your head on

  this does remind me about RSI stuff the

  Wacom tablet has become so indispensable

  for me over time there we go

  yeah I mean I couldn't imagine using a

  desktop computer

  No yeah see that's it's one of those

  things like once you start using it as

  as your main input device you feel like

  how do I ever use a computer before this

  yeah it really is awesome I recommend

  people try out and remember set the

  settings to pen mode it's very important

  that you do that the one-to-one mapping

  of the screen to the tablet is very

  important you're not gonna like it at

  first but trust us is your way to go the

  only way to go

  I do continue to really like the combo

  of the Wacom and the Magic Trackpad

  mm-hm like that really works for me so I

  kind of operate a Mac with two hands

  you've got to make a video of that for

  your vlog one day so you can actually

  just show people what you're talking

  about yeah is this is this reminds me of

  when people asked me to make like a

  video about making a show like recording

  like everything that goes into making a

  podcast mm-hmm and I'm like I don't

  think you know how boring that would be

  to watch

  that falls squarely in that that pocket

  I think no but Mike you're you're a

  vlogger now you have to use use tricks

  like you have some exciting music you do

  a bunch of rapid cuts fireworks yeah and

  you make assembling a podcast look like

  it's an exciting event as opposed to

  just hours of silence I guess that's the

  challenge right how can I do that how

  can I make it look like my work is

  really interesting every moment yeah

  yeah that's what that's what you're

  doing you're painting a picture of your

  life which is not accurate at all I

  don't know when I'm gonna do this but I

  accept the challenge

  I will make it work it'll be like 25

  seconds long that's how I do it a bunch

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  for him and I have included a link in

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  so you can go and look at the artwork I

  like this I would say that the one thing

  that's changed for Jon if not before is

  just general look is a lot like me you


  bearded and glasses so Bravo on that one

  to start with you're always trying to

  infect people with your beards some

  things that have changed for Jon

  checklists are in there we can see


  reviews to like performing reviews which

  I know is is a big thing for you you

  still unseasonal

  yeah I still like seasonal seasonal okay

  being packed up for a trip in advance

  something that we both believe in quite

  strongly redundant bags on

  that another person listening to Girl

  Talk although their plot they're not

  listening to all day by looks at the

  artwork it's one of the other ones now

  one of the other albums one of the ones

  you don't believe in and using an iPad

  pro and Apple pencil fantastic computer

  oh and I see a one roll of toilet paper

  means I really have zero rolls of toilet

  paper this typed away in the corner over

  there it's a very important life lesson

  very very important

  there are a couple of people that wrote

  in with some of just their favorite

  things that have happened in the show

  mm-hmm Brent reminded me of the story

  when you bought the first iPad pro in

  London oh god that's so good I don't

  like to think about that that's that's

  that's such a good episode I'll put a

  link to that episode

  Jonas is so funny when you were just

  like having the most unsee GP grey

  experience of your life yeah that it was

  great all of the interaction so close to

  meeting Tim Cook I'm glad everybody

  enjoyed that but mostly for me it felt

  like why has God made my life so hard

  just you deserve it now this is a name

  that like if I say this name I'm gonna

  be performing the cardinal sin of

  triggering Amazon echoes mm-hmm so I

  can't say it it's you're too sensitive

  about this Mike all right there we go

  then sorry everyone you just say Alexa

  no no don't do that you can't throw them

  in there no you can no you can't throw

  them in there like that yeah you say

  Alexa subscribe me to see GP gray

  alright and then that's that's how that


  okay Alexis says oh no mine is not gone

  off it was making a flashing light I

  thought it was gonna get me but it

  didn't get me

  they now have backups of everything and

  two is one one is none people still say

  that to me all the time you know see

  it's it's a catchy it's a catchy phrase

  it is it is you created that phrase

  right no that's not that's not right

  that's not how that works

  no okay the popularizer of the phrase

  right this is I still can't remember

  what the feedback was what was it like

  my impression was it was originally a

  military phrase but maybe am somewhere

  else I think it's a military

  but maybe it's you know like you go back

  to the Pharaoh's tomb in Egypt and

  they're like oh one pyramid is okay but

  two pyramids is better like yet we might

  just have been like a very old phrase

  yeah that that happens like those things

  were like oh Shakespeare wrote an emoji

  right like it ups of things this you

  know like they come back to gay I do

  think about that quite a lot too is one

  one is none that made a big impact

  impact on my life it's important why

  don't we talk about what we have learned

  from the show what did you learn from

  cortex Mike I think one of the biggest

  changes in my life as I alluded to

  earlier is the multi pad lifestyle

  mm-hmm being a person who not only uses

  the iPad primarily but multiple I know

  many people that use the iPad not many

  people understand multi pad I feel like

  we're a persecuted bunch we persecuted

  misunderstood group right that's the

  multi iPad lifestyle people I've kind of

  settled into how I use mine more now hmm

  I tend to use the large iPad pro at home

  and the smaller iPad pro when I'm out of

  the home hmm interesting

  I find the smaller iPad pro is easier to

  travel with right because it's smaller

  and I used a Logitech create keyboard

  case which is a vastly superior keyboard

  case to apples mmm but on the big iPad

  pro it's just too big and heavy like

  it's just not very nice to use so even

  though I keep that large iPad pro at

  home I just don't like the case on the

  big iPad pro it just it it kind of ruins

  it for me a bit to be honest but on the

  smaller one is perfect as backlit keys

  and everything and I really really like

  it for that I just I just think that's

  funny because that's the exact opposite

  of what I do like my smaller iPad is the

  home one and the bigger one is the go

  outside one interesting and I actually

  just had you know again one of these one

  of these days where it feels like oh

  this is this is a really nice use of

  technology where I just I just went out

  intentionally just for the morning and I

  only brought like I didn't bring my

  backpack I didn't bring anything I just

  grabbed the iPad pro and like walk

  through the park and then sat at cafe

  and did some work I ended up just

  spending the whole day out doing work at

  various locations and there's one these

  pecans were just felt really nice so

  like oh I have this clipboard sign

  thing that is a functional

  general-purpose computer and I can I

  feel like I can just grab it and just go

  out and be relatively unencumbered and

  not have to have anything else and it's

  really nice to work that way it really

  is there is one thing that might kind of

  help dictate that my choice here which

  is that my smaller iPad is the one that

  has an LTE connection okay well yeah

  that's going to make a difference so

  that that is another reason why I use

  that one for travel more than than the

  big one you know if we ever get the iPad

  that we want the 10-inch one that kind

  of sits between the middle of them I

  wonder if and how things might change

  for us because you know that's a small

  iPad of many of the benefits of the big

  one such as the rumors but I don't think

  Apple's ever making new product so it's

  not a problem

  time tracking and deciding hourly rates

  has been a big thing for me not so much

  a big thing for all of our listeners but

  I told you a couple of weeks ago that

  whilst I have not done anything as

  scientific as you I have sat down and

  worked out from a basic perspective what

  I own from the work that I do I will buy

  our I'm not gonna lie I feel like this

  is a major accomplishment on my part cuz

  I have been bullying you about this yeah

  since before we started cortex right

  like since probably since the first time

  I met you into like oh you got to do

  this you've got to work out what your

  hourly rate is it informed a couple of

  small changes for me mmm small as in not

  huge things but they've make either

  making a big impact mmm it's just

  getting myself some time back for stuff

  that I was making barely no money for I

  was very interested that like most of my

  recording falls have been arranged like

  all of the shows that I do who fall

  within a range which I'm happy with I

  didn't really have many really big

  outliers but I plan to revisit this more

  scientifically at some point in the

  future but I just wanted to sit down one

  day I had some spare time and just like

  pull up a couple of episodes below a pen

  and paper and just just scribble some

  numbers down and I was pleased by what I

  found honestly

  one of the reasons that I've avoided

  doing this as I thought it was going to

  expose some horrific truths yeah you

  were expecting to be made very sad yeah

  but it turns out that it's it's not as

  bad as I thought it was going to be

  maybe if I do some real scientific

  tracking I will learn something


  but just my back of the envelope math

  was good yeah but I thought that's all

  anybody needs right it's just just a

  back-of-the-envelope calculation just

  just to give you some vague boundary to

  think about I know I get I think

  everybody imagines that I'm I'm like

  calculating this down to the second into

  the penny but it's like you don't need

  it that precise right you just need like

  a one significant figure number right

  just to have as a ballpark for when

  you're thinking about making decisions a

  lot of the stuff that I've learned and a

  lot of stuff that I've moved with his

  stuff that we've kind of come to a

  decision together or we've worked on

  something in a way that we're moving

  together towards something you know and

  I think a lot of the iPad stuff is that

  way I think the thing that has made the

  biggest impact on my life is something

  that you have taught me which is that

  work should be able to happen without

  you and this has made the single biggest

  impact on my life over the last two

  years and that comes in sometimes in the

  sense of automation which is fine and

  that's that's great but the biggest one

  is hiring someone and having somebody

  who helps you having an assistant

  it hasn't been very long that I've had

  an assistant it's maybe a couple of

  months if that but the change this is

  made on my life I cannot even begin to

  describe to you you don't you don't have

  to describe because I understand like I

  completely understand its massive it's

  just massive the amount of hours that

  I'm saving they're not like 50 hours a

  week right I'm saving a handful of hours

  at the moment and it's increasing over

  time as we're learning which and what

  things will be given to my assistant

  mm-hmm but it's just what it's doing for

  my general mental state mmm is fantastic

  it's so good I'm so happy to hear this

  and I also just want to take this moment

  to to stress that this is this is


  did to the previous thing about having

  an ID like a ballpark idea about what

  your time is worth per hour

  because this is like having someone to

  help you with anything you don't have to

  be running like a gigantic youtube

  channel or a podcasting empire in order

  to be able to do this like if you just

  know what your time is worth the only

  question then becomes like are there

  people who can help you with things for

  less than that many dollars per hour and

  if the answer is yes then you might want

  to consider this and I think I think

  I've told you I don't know if I've

  actually told you this or not but like I

  when I was a teacher I came very very

  close to shipping my students homework

  to India to have it marked did have it

  shipped back no you not told me this

  yeah okay so I like I came very very

  close to doing it in the end I decided

  not to not because it wasn't a brilliant

  idea and and my ROI calculation said

  that this totally made sense in terms of

  like how much would it cost me how long

  could it take to get it overnighted to

  India like to have it returned right and

  like I was I was trying to think about

  all of this these kind of things like

  how to make this work I was like I had I

  had it all like ready to go but then I

  but then I realized like I will be fired

  immediately like if anybody finds out

  that I have done this right this is

  you'd never be able to get a job again

  and teaching you'd be done yeah that was

  the reason I was like you know what this

  is too far it's like I have lots of

  little tricks as a teacher that I'm

  using to save time but this but this is

  one where it's like there's there's a

  downside which is essentially like an

  insta-kill downside and that was thing

  like man if sucked like if some truck in

  India turns over and all the homework is

  lost like I'm like right now I'm in real

  trouble so I didn't actually do it but

  it didn't change the fact that like when

  I was a teacher I did have some small

  stuff that I was I was outsourcing right

  through overseas outsourcing companies

  like to just have people help me with

  stuff all right and it was like it's

  super cheap and it get worked in my

  favor and so like this is this is not

  just like you're running a successful

  podcast and

  this is what this is why like I think

  it's really important to know how much

  is your time worth so that you can think

  about having somebody help you or even

  just like this is how this is how

  specialization in the economy works like

  is there just a service that can be

  provided that will take less time to do

  this then you would take to do it like

  maybe that's worth doing it's just it's

  like it's such an important way to think

  about stuff but like III do have to

  agree with you Mike like it when when

  you start doing this again it is just

  like the hiring thing you know we see

  like oh you always hire too late if

  you're if you're a business I think it's

  a similar thing of like getting someone

  to help you everybody does this too late

  and when you do it it makes such a such

  an enormous cognitive difference even if

  it isn't saving you huge numbers of

  hours I just know that there are things

  that I don't really enjoy doing somebody

  else might Lulu and that's the

  experience that I've had so far and it's

  wonderful and the reason that I don't

  enjoy some of these things as I've done

  them for nearly three years every week

  and they were fun initially but after a

  while the faun wears offs on these tasks

  and now I don't need to do it anymore

  or like there were things that I was

  doing but kids nobody else would or

  could but then not my skill set and it's

  somebody else's skill set yeah and

  there's also a way in which sometimes

  it's it's easier for somebody else to do

  a thing because they don't have like an

  emotional baggage attached to whatever

  the task is again and this this is also

  an interesting phenomenon of trying to

  get people to help you is is you realize

  like oh for this other person this task

  is way easier and way faster to do than

  if it is for me to do because for them

  it's just a task but for me it's

  something that's like that comes with

  emotional baggage oh so yeah like or

  I've been doing this for so long or like

  oh this is a thing that I just don't

  want to think about and for the other

  person like it has none of those

  connotations yeah a lot of this stuff

  gets done faster because I was putting

  it off yeah yeah that has been my

  experience is there's a whole category

  of things

  that it's not like I couldn't do them

  but if I

  but if I

  had to be the person who would do it I

  just know they would never happen and

  and so that makes a huge difference I've

  learned that they will never be a

  perfect email app no Mike you gotta hold

  out hope now right

  I've given up no I still have home I

  still given up I've given up gray there

  will never be a perfect email app

  because any email app that seems like

  it's gonna be amazing

  even nobody wants to buy it or somebody

  buys in shuts it down but gets it right

  there's two outcomes get it gets bought

  or it doesn't get bought and both of

  them end in misery yeah

  there's no good there's just no good

  solution for email and the one that I've

  settled on is fine but every now and

  then I send an email and the app crashes

  and I don't know it's crashed and emails

  never sent you know yeah so like I now

  have a new habit of checking their

  emails of sin which it is so annoying to

  have to do that but this app does like

  90 percent of the other things I needed

  to do but like the ten percent that it

  doesn't do what does badly it does

  really badly so there's never gonna be a

  perfect email app they just want they

  and I've come to I'm just come to accept

  it I'm not upset about it anymore I'm

  not angry I'm in the acceptance stage

  I'm still gonna hold out hope but it

  might be a rational hope I've learned

  that making YouTube videos is

  interesting yeah you're still enjoying

  that I am good my kind of feeling

  towards like how often I make videos and

  why has changed right as kind of the

  initial excitement has worn off like

  I've realized that I would very quickly

  if just started making very very boring

  videos if I kept up with the pace that I

  was keeping up with so like I've kind of

  settled in to to doing them the way that

  I want to when I want to and kind of I

  think I'm trying to do one a month I've

  been a bit late because of my travel but

  I'm currently making like a really big

  travel vlog which might be out kind of

  around the time that this episode goes

  out because I basically been traveling

  for the entire month of April so I'm

  making one big vlog for that and I have

  some ideas for some other videos that I

  want to do that based at home as well as

  travel and stuff but I I'm still feel

  like I'm really playing around with this

  and trying to work out what it is for me

  so kind of not put

  all of my time into thinking of this

  stuff is turn out to be the right thing

  for me honestly oh good

  uh uh you know I enjoy your vlogs yeah I

  like it when they come out it's it's

  interesting to see and I've said it's

  interesting to see them change over time

  and like I also find it just interesting

  it's like oh I you're a person I know

  starting down like this path and seeing

  things change over time whereas in any

  of the other vloggers or YouTube people

  that I watch it feels like they have

  just always existed like they've always

  just been around and so it's interesting

  to see you begin this from the ground up

  yeah I've gotten that time a comment of

  that kind from from a bunch of people on

  YouTube you know just say that they can

  see a progression and usually you don't

  yeah right usually you see someone when

  they're established yeah that's been

  interesting for me and it's also been

  one of the reasons that I'm being a

  little bit more considerate about what

  I'm doing mm-hmm because there are

  people there whilst I'm still trying to

  work out what the hell's going on now

  I've taken a more CGP grey approach to

  my youtube channel then a my curly

  approach to it honestly disappointing

  you know the most the most important

  thing uh-huh with YouTube channels is

  having a regular schedule and it just it

  seems like that's what this game

  streaming right it's everyday no was it

  every day a o'clock or something that's

  just the general thing that's what is

  the work every day don't try to turn

  this around Mike every day a p.m. CGP

  play get your streams on like haven't

  you haven't you read the YouTube guide

  to making great content on YouTube and

  like number one thing is a schedule

  every every every week it's gonna be a

  new Mike early episode you got to train

  the audience that they know to tune in

  at 7 p.m.

  tell you what we'll get on it together

  and we'll or cross-promote right every

  week we'll both be there 7 p.m. Eastern

  Time go to see GP play you'll get your

  streams and you really try quickly and

  get you trying to push the slugs that's

  what people can look out for there might

  never be a stream again I don't know why

  you're trying to push this you bold

  software that's going to finish dreaming

  like I said that tells you nothing tells

  you nothing are why my friend ROI I

  think overall is well one of the things

  that cortex has done for me is to allow

  me to enjoy my work more because I am

  more considerate about new projects and

  more considerate about her way up my


  and I've decided and learned to put

  focus in the things that I like doing

  and optimize my way out with the things

  that I don't know what about you me Mike


  well come on don't be this well don't

  play like that

  no no no what like so like here's the

  interesting thing I saw this in the show

  notes when I was looking at this a

  couple hours ago tried to get ready for

  the show and I was I was trying to think

  about things I was like okay what have I

  learned from the show and I wrote down

  my clay the first bullet point thing

  that popped into my I was like oh I've

  learned about web api's right which

  without the show I would never I think I

  never would have gone down the kind of

  path to think about that as much and

  recognize this as a kind of important

  programmers tool that that's useful to

  have but then like I was like okay well

  that's one thing but but I feel like

  okay so I can name something in

  particular but in one way I don't think

  that's super interesting because what I

  feel like I have learned is that this

  show is not a Productivity show at all

  uh-oh that's not really what this is

  Mike I think it's the thing that we

  touched upon a few episodes ago this

  idea of like an ongoing conversation

  about working and stuff in our lives

  like shows always have to kind of like

  find what they are and I think that's

  what this show is like in a very funny

  way I was thinking about it earlier

  today and I was realizing like oh this

  show has become what in retrospect seems

  very obvious which is it is an extension

  of our lunches that we use to meet up

  for yeah in London before we're doing

  the show mm-hmm all right which thinking

  back upon it it's like all right of


  we're doing sort of exactly what we used

  to do except just over lunch but now

  we're doing we're doing it with an

  audience presence and with an audience

  that is interactive in some way giving

  us feedback and one that we're talking

  to it kind of makes sense because it was

  the conversations we were having over

  those lunches which was what made me

  think that it could be interesting for

  us to have a show together right yeah

  that that's that's why that's why you

  start to pursue me and as intensely as

  you did yep to lock me down into this

  contract a long-term deal for a very

  long-term deal but what I think is

  interesting about that is it's like it's

  just going back to what we're saying

  before going back to all of this

  feedback from people about the 50th

  episode that a thing doesn't need to be

  explicitly about productivity in order

  to be helpful it just means like the for

  the listeners and for us is like we're

  coming together and we're sort of

  discussing in general ways our working

  lives sometimes it's in very specific

  details sometimes it's broad overview

  sometimes we're just sort of goofing off

  but it's like vaguely related to work

  but not really but what matters is this

  conversation that loops back upon itself

  and so it's very hard for me to say like

  what have I specifically learned from

  the show I have a hard time coming up

  with exact bullet points but I know

  without any doubt that because of this

  show I have been much more mindful of my

  work in a whole bunch of ways over the

  past two years then I would have been

  without it and I hope that for listeners

  of the show they have that same

  experience that if we're talking about

  time tracking and you find that that is

  totally irrelevant to your life the

  detail of that doesn't matter so much as

  if you're listening to the show on a

  regular basis it is a reminder for for

  you to be mindful of the way that you

  work as well so I feel

  it's it's almost like a metal lesson

  here that the thing doesn't need to be

  about productivity to be in some sense

  productive and and that's that's what

  this is like you and I were kind of

  having lunches together again but with a

  larger group of people that's what this

  show is

  get me little emotional over here don't

  cry Mike I'll try not to okay that'd be

  really embarrassing we'd have to cut

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  before we wrap up today I wanna I want

  to address our poor last episode that

  poor little episode it didn't do nothing

  wrong to be fair that was entirely my


  yeah well you know these things um we

  spent a lot of time on the last episode

  talking about oh look we were unhappy at

  the rate at which Apple was producing

  new products hmm I think like maybe a

  couple of days after that episode went

  out Apple KITT went on record about the

  fact that they're working on a new Mac

  Pro and and they kind of broke from

  tradition to actually explicitly address

  a product that they had in the works

  so this all came out during the time

  between the episode being recorded and

  being released what this did allow me to

  do was go in and cut out the moments

  where we explicitly said they should

  just tell us they're working on a new

  Mac Pro so I did get to do that at least

  whoo but unfortunately this is one of

  those times where this doesn't happen

  very often for us but where something

  may change in between recording and

  release mmm so it did make me want to

  just address this with you a little bit

  to catch everybody up Apple had a

  journal have a bunch of journalists come

  to them to see them at the offices and

  they went through it through a few

  things and they kind of accepted blame

  as much as they would then leaked that

  the Mac Pro that is currently for sale

  is not good and that they designed the

  way that they designed it was was

  suboptimal to the point where they

  couldn't update it in a way that people

  needed and that they're working on a new

  Mac Pro and they have really powerful

  iMacs coming later this year and we're

  probably going to see this new Mac Pro

  maybe next year they don't really give a

  timeframe on it but basically said not

  this year yeah interesting phrasing yeah

  because it's I mean from everything that

  we've seen and everything that I've

  heard this changed that Apple actually

  working on a new Mac Pro has was very

  recent to them bring in those

  journalists and and they basically were

  like right now we decided to do this we

  need to curb

  current rhetoric that when we don't care

  about professional users anymore hmm

  so I wonder you were definitely harsher

  than me um in your feelings about this

  like I I kind of said on the episode I

  just want to see some kind of torch from

  them and I'll believe that they actually

  do care mmm and you were basically like

  no I need multiple years of proof so I

  wonder if this has changed your feelings

  at all about the way the evil Apple is

  treating you as a professional user of

  its products well on the one hand I

  think this is it is really funny because

  this is the kind of thing that I never

  really thought Apple would ever do well

  no this this completely bucks

  all trends you know and what we I think

  I brought this up on the last episode

  that Apple is a a company of traditions

  and schedules and then not anymore

  and so they're breaking a lot of what we

  know them to be and this is one another

  example of that where Apple never talks

  about future products and you know now

  they have to the point like so early

  they don't even have anything to show if

  they ever talk about a future product

  it's ready to show you but it's just not

  shipping yet this is like we haven't

  even got design for this thing but we

  can tell you we're doing it yeah yeah

  it's so early that the impression that I

  get is it's like we actually just have a

  whiteboard somewhere we decided that

  this was a thing that we were going to

  do there's a Trello board we know that

  much yeah outside of that we have no mic

  but that's what it feels like yeah

  it's like has a physical thing happened

  anywhere in the world I suspect maybe

  not right but um but it's also a thing

  that in in retrospect I was thinking

  about is I think it's a really sensible

  decision because they're talking about a

  future product for such a relatively

  small portion of their overall user base

  yeah that what does it matter right it

  doesn't because those people were buying

  it no matter what

  right the exact reason Apple keeps their

  secrecy is so they can have their big

  reveals of their products where the

  whole message

  controlled yeah but with something like

  this the market is so small and that

  markets buying it no matter what it is

  because they need it yeah and and so you

  like it

  is interesting to think about like oh it

  never occurred to me but yeah for

  particularly the MacPro subsection of

  the market like why not just give them a

  release schedule all right why not just

  just say here's our here's our whole

  roadmap for this project and it hurts

  them not at all really like there's

  there's no way it's going to be some big

  seller if they have an amazing surprise

  like this doesn't affect anything

  whereas for the iPhone and the iPad you

  can see that it makes sense that Apple

  wants to have some some sort of drama

  around the release events so I would say

  like I felt like oh this is good I would

  hope that maybe it's not just a one-time

  thing like oh god we effed up so bad

  this time we really have to go on record

  like yeah maybe this is a thing that you

  guys can just do with this narrow

  section of the proline and and save

  yourself a whole lot of grumbling from

  the peanut gallery yeah and and so I

  think that's that's a totally fine thing

  all that said oh it doesn't you have not

  pleased me right yeah I am I'm still I'm

  still sitting here upon my throne of

  judgment unmoved because this is still

  just words you know reading over the

  transcript it feels a bit like we

  decided last Tuesday we got to change

  direction and I still stand by

  everything I said in the last episode

  which is you know even if Apple releases

  everything I could possibly hope for in

  my heart of hearts this year I'm still

  not going to feel good about it until I

  see that there are regular updates you

  know and it's really funny actually you

  know just talking about when when we

  started this show was just before iOS 9

  which was the operating system that

  really kicked off everything being Pro

  it's like oh wait a minute like when I

  try to think like oh how long have I

  been doing this show the answer is feels

  like I've been doing it forever it's

  like oh yes and that's how long I've

  been using the terrible multitasker

  switcher on iOS as well right it's for

  the entire length of this show I feel

  like an implicit

  part of software is the promise of

  iteration and and like and that's what I

  want to see and that's what will make me

  feel better because even if I get an

  amazing gigantic iPad pro and the new

  operating system has a dark mode and has

  everything I could possibly want and you

  can do multi multi tasking of

  multitasking inside of your multitasking

  even if it has all of that I'm going to

  be sitting there with the feeling of

  like okay but do I have to expect that

  the way it works today is the way I'm

  going to have to use it for the next two

  years like that that's the thing that I

  want to feel like has has changed right

  and and that's also why not to get into

  the whole thing again but just briefly

  like that's also why the workflow

  acquisition concerns me because now we

  also know that workflow there's benefits

  like officially they're not going to

  update it anymore and so whatever is

  going to happen there is going to be now

  involved in Apple's overall production

  cycle so I feel like I won't feel

  perfectly calm about this until I can

  see that we're not going to go through

  two-year gaps where nothing changes that

  and but then I'll feel better then I'll

  feel better I still have a lot of the

  same feelings from last time and just

  like my biggest point and it's just that

  things are different and we need to see

  how they shake out the schedules have

  will change everything's different

  I do feel better that they've gone on

  record to say that they're renewing

  their commitment to the professional

  user that just makes me feel better

  mmm and it makes me feel better because

  it's such a none Apple thing to do that

  it means something to them so much that

  they decided to do it now rather than

  wait until WWDC in June when it's the

  exact same audience that are willing to

  listen that they thought that it was

  important enough to get in front of it

  and to talk about it now so I feel

  better from there

  but we've we have a rehashed a little

  bit what we were talking about last time


  brought many people to to question why

  we are not switching and one thing that

  was mentioned a lot because we mentioned

  switching costs and I want to take a

  moment to establish what we consider

  switching costs to be switching costs

  are not financial costs we're not

  talking about the price of buying an

  Android tablet and a Windows PC yeah

  yeah more than anything

  yeah we really need to emphasize it has

  the word cost in it but we're not

  talking about dollars here no and what

  we're talking about is upheaval is the

  effect it will have on time the effect

  that it will have on frustration me and

  gray really know how to use our Mac's

  like we really know how to use those we

  know how to use Final Cut we know how to

  use logic we know everything about all

  of the little utilities that we have

  little cord I don't really know anything

  about the programs that I would need to

  use on Windows mm-hm

  and honestly I don't want to take two

  weeks out of my business to relearn

  everything mm-hmm that's the big thing

  this is what we're talking about here

  it's the idea of going here is a new

  thing you haven't used this ever at all

  or in like 10 years

  learn it mm-hmm like I don't even really

  understand how the file structure of

  Windows works anymore you know like

  where things get saved and stuff like

  that because on the Mac a bunch of that

  stuff just happens automatically now


  right like your files just get saved for

  you and you know there's like it's all

  back topic I know how well it works I'm

  sure that there are things like this for

  Windows I'm sure that there are things

  like this for Android but the thing is

  we don't know them so if I was to say

  right I'm switching to Windows I can't

  produce shows the next day mm-hmm like

  my business has to shut down why I

  relearn all of this stuff or I can try

  and do them together at the same time

  which is still like there's stuff I

  can't do if I'm trying to learn it so

  the switching costs it's just like what

  it would

  take for us to have to start again

  mm-hmm and all of the things that could

  fall out of that like if I'm trying to

  learn a new piece of software I'm gonna

  screw up more and screwing up more has

  many costs to it like if I'm putting out

  shows of broken audio in them because

  I've done something stupid of an

  application it's going to upset people

  and it's gonna make people maybe not

  want to listen to the episode it's gonna

  make advertisers unhappy because I might

  screw up something right like there are

  so many things that can fall out of this

  because you would effectively be

  changing our entire pipeline of how our

  production is mm-hmm and that's a big

  potential risk therefore that's the

  switching cost yeah the other thing with

  switching costs that I think is it is

  hard to see until you think about it but

  it is the enormous stock of knowledge

  you have about a system that you don't

  even really realize that you have and so

  like when you've used a platform for 10

  years you build up a whole whole

  compilation of index cards that are

  filled with little tricks and tips about

  like oh under this particular situation

  this thing will make this work a little

  bit better or like oh I remember this

  problem I know how to solve this like

  just give me two seconds and I'll get

  this done and you just don't realize how

  much of that is built up whereas every

  once in a while I have to help my my

  father with his Windows PC and I am so

  aware like it is not that that a Windows

  is like a worse system but it's just

  like I have no repertoire of knowledge

  of how to help with any with even like

  problems that would be the most trivial

  of problems to solve it's like I have no

  idea where to start

  and when you're talking about computers

  it just it's it's everything right it's

  how you spend so much of your time doing

  everything that you do and then like

  even just as a little example you talk

  about relearning programs it's like oh

  yeah that would take some time to do it

  would take dozens of hours per

  application but then when you are

  invested in ecosystem you also know all

  of these ways

  to help out what you're doing and so

  it's like oh when I'm editing stuff in

  Final Cut like I'm doing some animations

  there are now plenty of times because I

  have enough experience doing podcasts

  that I'll pop the audio out of Final Cut

  bring it into logic do a bunch of edits

  and logic and then put it back into

  Final Cut right I was like okay well now

  here's a case of it's not like oh I just

  need to learn relearn the video editing

  software it's like I also need to

  relearn the audio editing software right

  which multiplies out if I want to do

  videos on a new system how long is it

  going to take and then there are there

  are just so many ways that all of the

  applications that we use connect with

  each other and and it's a thing that you

  build up over time and so when we're

  discussing switching costs I think it's

  very important for people to understand

  we're not even really talking about oh

  it's going to take me a couple dozen

  hours to relearn a professional program

  to the speed that I am at now it's like

  we're talking about literally hundreds

  and hundreds of hours of time that you

  would need to invest to get to the same

  level of proficiency and to have the

  same number of tools available that can

  reproduce everything that you do all day

  long in professional and personal

  capacities is like that's what the

  switching cost is right and that's why

  it is so enormous to move from platform

  to platform one other one for me a lot

  of my business a lot of the shows that I

  make are based around Apple mmm if I

  switch from Apple can I conduct my

  business mm-hmm like if I become an

  Android user the shows where I talk

  about the iPhone a lot that's going to

  get a bit more difficult to do yeah

  that's going to be a big problem for me

  so the reason that we stick with Apple

  even we're frustrated with them is

  because the other option is a nuclear

  one yeah so when we are just frustrated

  the beginning of our frustration is not

  the beginning of the switch right like

  yeah if we just start

  get frustrated which we are it's not the

  time Lulu the frustration must continue

  for a long period of time before we're

  willing to make a change so I understand

  that people listen to us and they find

  it peculiar

  and I and also understand I'm sure many

  people have made that switch but there

  was a reason for them that compelled

  them enough and we're not at that point

  yet we're just now getting to the

  beginning of a frustration so really

  let's see how the next 50 episodes go

  and then we'll work out where we are

  you're going to take some of these

  quotes for episode 100 yep when we're

  both on Windows 12 look how stupid they

  were they said they would never leave

  Apple by the way have you seen my Google

  pixel 12 it's beautiful

  my surface studio 4 is amazing yeah look

  at that the the entire desk is a screen