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real-time follow-up as of approximately
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10 or so minutes ago I'm now an uncle
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hey congratulations eh
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do you intend to be a creepy uncle or a
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fun uncle or some other kind of I hadn't
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even thought about it but I mean you got
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to think about these things he's gonna
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try to be the cool uncle we already know
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that the question is the question is
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what is he going to be that is it that's
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true 100% that is 100% accurate I I wish
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I could deny it but that is absolutely
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accurate so I wanted to spend a moment
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and talk about the somewhat political
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section of our last episode and we got a
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lot of feedback we got a lot of good
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feedback we got a lot of bad feedback
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but one thing that was common that I
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think was on me that I wanted to
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apologize to listeners for is at one
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point in the heat of getting fired up or
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in the midst of getting fired up I'd
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said in so many words you know if you
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disagree with me you're a monster
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and name-calling is not really a
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constructive way to have a reasoned
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debate not to say that that debate was
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terribly reasoned anyway but
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name-calling does not really help the
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scenario and and you know if I'm gonna
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if I'm going to be grumpy about other
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people name-calling then I should be
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grumpy about me doing it and so no no
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snark intended I really do apologize for
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name-calling I stand by the general
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premise of what I said which is to say I
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think that some of the behaviors of
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those who who want to take away health
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care that is a monstrous behavior but
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that does not bind a zesty make somebody
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a monster so I know you guys can either
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confirm or deny everything I've just
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said but for what it's worth I feel bad
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about that and I wish I had handled that
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a little bit better despite by-and-large
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sticking by pretty much everything I
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said but the name-calling doesn't help I
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think you undercut yourself with the
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monstrous behaviorist thing because I'm
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not sure that distinction is
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particularly important but that like
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that and we don't usually talk about
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politics and show and I think we kind of
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accidentally talked about it which is
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fitting because it was not on a topic
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list and it was not slid right into it
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from wiki Tribune which was on the topic
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list and end up staying in the show
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unlike many other similar discussions
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but one of the main problems with
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anytime we get into
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politics is that for the most part the
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three of us are coming from the same
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place like we we agree on the issues and
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actually surprisingly difficult to talk
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about a controversial political issue
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amongst three people who all agree with
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each other and it's why we get the
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complaints of like you know echo chamber
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so and so for the good thing and the bad
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thing about podcast is even though it's
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just three of us talking about it and we
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all agree in aggregate it's not an echo
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chamber because believe me the opposing
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opinions are presented to us right so we
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just don't get them in real time it is
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delayed but that's not you know we're
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not doing a political debate show but
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but yeah so when we're all talking about
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and we all more or less agree we're just
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like saying things that each one of us
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agrees about there's not even that much
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nuanced or a disagreement and it just
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kind of spirals off from there and I
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don't I don't it's difficult to it's
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difficult to clarify our thinking on it
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when there is essentially no opposition
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on the podcast itself so that's that's
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difficulty I always feel when when
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engaging those enema and listening to
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them always trying to look for an angle
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that is illuminating rather than just
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the three of us venting which
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occasionally happens occasionally got a
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vent and occasionally we're feeling bad
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about things I'm surprised after the
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presidential election we didn't have a
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similar show somehow we avoided it but
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it came out last week
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I have no regrets I had a feeling but
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you know like in and out Lance says in
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the chat saying that the people are
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monsters is kind of productive and makes
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the argument sound dumb and I would
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agree with that so I am sorry for that
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that portion of the discussion the rest
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of it I pretty much stick by I think one
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thing that that is really badly missing
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in our culture is the ability to agree
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on some like you know cause and effect
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norms or like being able to talk about
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cause and effect without it being
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assumed to be or without being
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politicized cuz like you know if we you
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know like the health care debate it's
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like you know would like when I was
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saying last week about how like I want
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people to actually think through their
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arguments of you know like well how do
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we think people in society should be
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treated and how do we think you know the
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government should take care of people or
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not take care of people I wish we could
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talk about that in we as a society I
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wish we could talk about that
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at without it being so politically
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charged in people immediately jumping
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down each other's throats about their
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about like their identities because what
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we need to instead be able to talk about
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is like you know what how do we want to
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treat people in our society who need
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some kind of help
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hey you know how do we want the standard
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of that should be to be that we should
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just let people you know fail and die
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and starve or not and if the answer is
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not then how do we allocate these
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resources how do we pay for them and I
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wish we could actually talk about that
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but the second you you give an opinion
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either way on that whether you say I
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think society should help those less
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fortunate whether you think you know we
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should provide for people and we should
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like not let people fail too badly or
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starve or die or whether you think that
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we should just let people do all those
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things that shouldn't be a US Republican
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versus Democrat thing but it is and so
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it's hard to say like oh we should stay
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away from political topics or or that
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every view is valid when some of these
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views people on both sides think that
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it's not just politics that it's like
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base the basics of their identity or of
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human standards of decency and
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obligations to each other and it's not
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just political it's not like I think we
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should you know vote for the person on
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the red versus the person in the blue or
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whatever else it's like I want people
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who aren't like me to die or I want to
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help people and those shouldn't be
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political opinions those should be like
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this is the one that we teach ourselves
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and that we value because we're good
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people and this is the other one but
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apparently that's not what these things
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are but nobody wants people to die
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that's no no gonna say I'll save it ever
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they very much do I mean so that's
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that's it I don't want to get into it
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again but let's I feel like I can argue
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the other side pretty decently to like
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the old other side again I voted to like
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the 80s when they used to make arguments
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actually we all agree on what we want to
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accomplish is just a difference of
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opinion on how to best accomplish it
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right that debate is a lot easier to
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have what you're getting at is it
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doesn't feel like we're even unified on
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the goal but even though the
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consequences of these decisions may be
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real it's not connected in a straight
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line in terms of I want people who
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aren't like me to die like I I don't
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think you will get anybody to own that
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opinion anywhere well that's true but
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the problem is that people will will
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very strongly own opinions that precede
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that but if you actually follow them
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through the conclusions then that is
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that as a penalty so suppose somebody
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has a life-threatening illness that is
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treatable but they can't afford the
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treatment what should happen in this
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case should should our society find a
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way to pay for people in these kinds of
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conditions to get treatment or should we
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let them die that is that is a
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fundamental you know argument that that
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we have seemingly about every ten years
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and if you're on the side of we should
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help people it seems like you'd be a
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total monster to use Casey's word right
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it seemed to keep me a total monster to
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argue the other side of that to say like
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you know actually no we we should let
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people die like no that's but but that
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actually want them to die then want them
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they're not wishing them ill they wish
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that if they could snap their fingers
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and cure them they would say yes you're
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cured we should totally do that
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it's just unfortunate situation and
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there's just you know debating the best
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way to allocate scarce resources and to
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incentivize the right behaviors and blah
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blah blah like it we start shift into
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the more intellectual argument towards
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it but when you connect it up to like
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MAOIs like to say that people have
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malice towards that like it's not and
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get it ignoring the specifics of this
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more generally the other general topic
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on the political stuff is this happens
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the maze happens to everybody when
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you're listening to someone talk about
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something whether it's political or
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technological or anything on a podcast
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they will especially a things with two
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sides red-blue Mac PC whatever it may be
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you know the two-sided debate they will
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address a thing like people who support
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X are wrong because blah blah blah blah
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and if people support X are on a
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particular team and
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you were also on that team but you don't
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support X they'll say people is for X
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here's what I don't like about it and
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people will get offended to say well I
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don't support X but on the same team as
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the people support Xing because you're
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yelling at that person I feel you're set
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you're yelling at me and like it's very
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difficult to hold on to the the thread
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that says look if they are complaining
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about something that you don't believe
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they're not talking to you well you know
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I mean like that but but when there are
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two teams it's like what they're saying
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anything about my team even though I
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agree with them on this specific point
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it's like they're attacking my team and
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I feel attacked like are you trying to
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say that I believe X is like well if you
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don't believe X we're not talking to you
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and so like is this not addressed with
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you but when there's two teams when the
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two teams and it's on your team you
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can't help but get pulled into it and
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again that happens that happens with
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everybody especially with two sided
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debates or you know actual sports teams
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as the case may be where you can't can't
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wrap your mind around a player on your
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favorite sports team maybe did something
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bad but you really do love the sports
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team you try square that circle so when
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someone says hey that that person had
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agree did a bad thing but you love the
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sports team right so anyway that's a
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difficulty and when I'm listening to
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people talk about you know whether it's
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to like or dislike a particular movie or
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a director or a TV show or you know Mac
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that they're talking about you or to you
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ascribing to you beliefs that you don't
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have when you have to realize it's a
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broadcast medium and no one is saying
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you specifically they're believed these
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things and if you don't then don't don't
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take on the burden of thinking that
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you're you're being reprimanded for
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universal truths of the world in
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truths like Bill Belichick is a cheater
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playing football so anyway let's talk
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about the back of the iPhone at a monk
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morgue excuse me out of mark Wright's in
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to say my take on that rumor image with
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touch ID in the back is that it's a real
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schematic for a real prototype but it's
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only for testing there have been more
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leaked schematics with no touch ID on
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the back and I'm surprised that this has
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been debated in two episodes as an
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inevitability in my opinion this is Adam
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as a phone with such ID in the back it's
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too big of a paradigm shift in form and
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function Apple has done more work for
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far less in the past I'd bet a lot of
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money it's under the screen at launch it
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really feels like a deal breaking
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feature they would wait for so I think
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to be clear none of us were saying that
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was inevitability merely that this was a
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supposedly thing and that we could all
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conceive of Apple releasing such a thing
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now obviously it would be not the ideal
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thing under the screen but we were
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discussing it was like what if they did
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what if they couldn't get onto the
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screen would they put it on the back
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like obviously Apple doesn't want to
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they want to do that thing on the screen
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it's totally cool right but I you know
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as I said when we first started talking
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Apple would do because if the choice is
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between doing that and not having a new
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phone form factor at all they would
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totally do that but I also totally buy
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this you know but this is not a
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slam-dunk this is just a random drawing
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that could be totally fake and as I said
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we'll find out when the real phone is
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released and we look at the millimeter
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sizing and if I got it down to three
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decimal points chances are that it was
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at the very least a real leak or
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something manufactured based on the
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knowledge of what the phone would be
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like but yeah could be a prototype it
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could be just a testing thing it's hard
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to think of it being a prototype like
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that because it would take a lot of
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stuff to move around the touch ID to the
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back even just for testing because
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there's a bunch of other crap there on
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the phone but anyway for my part I'm not
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tied to any one of these particular
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rumors and obviously the the plan a in
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terms of rumors and in terms of what
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what Apple would want to do is a thing
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in the screen and so that's what I'm
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certainly hoping for but if it doesn't
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arrive and the thing is on the back we
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won't all be flipping out because I feel
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like we will be acclimated to that idea
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through these leaks all right let's talk
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about dirty fabric on laptops sure let's
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this this is this is a little bit of an
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odd more than a little bit of an odd
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thing so to set some context the surface
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laptop has Alcantara is that how you
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pronounce it I just avoid it just just
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avoid it like we avoid all the words we
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can't pronounce just avoid it and so it
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has some sort of fabric e leathery
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something rather on it and that is to my
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understand
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ending including where your wrists sit
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and that seems to me to be a really poor
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choice for any human being of any kind
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because I remember having a poly book hi
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Steven Hackett which is to say a white
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polycarbonate MacBook and I had to take
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a mr. Clean Magic Eraser to that thing
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like once every couple weeks um or deal
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with all of my wrist gunk and sweat and
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whatever and oils turning that thing
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Brown and it was gross and that's
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plastic
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imagine fabric and so there's a link to
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what does this be a boy genius report or
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something like that I don't remember BGR
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stands but it's trans booger Oh fair
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so uh we have a link to something and
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they show an example of a surface with
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or it appears to be a surface keyboard
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with some really gross crystals all over
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it because clearly it's been used a lot
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and that just strikes me as a poor
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choice but I don't know maybe I'm
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missing something what do you guys think
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when we talked about the fabric on the
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surface laptops last show I was
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concerned about the edges fraying and
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like the difficulty of sort of mating
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that material but it more broadly as
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this dirty fabric issue brings up a
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laptop is something that gets a lot of
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contact does even though you're not
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supposed to rest your wrist when you're
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typing people do and you know people's
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hands and wrists are going to be in
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contact with this thing very very
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frequently during use and for anything
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like that it's a good idea to make it
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out of a material that is durable or
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washable or ideally both because there
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is gunk on our hands and it is going to
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come off and I go on to the thing that
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we're touching and there needs to be
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some plan for that so on the iPhone
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screens a they're made of glass which is
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very you know hard material easy clean
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and B they have that coating that tries
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to repel oil so that when you do try to
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wipe all your gunk off it will come off
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easily and that's a good plan for the
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front of cell phone that you're going to
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be touching all the time
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similarly for the track pads on Macs I
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think we all remember the original track
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pads before they were glass there were
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you know various kinds of plastic and
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over time the track pads would get kind
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of shiny and slippery and warned down
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and discolored
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on the particular parts that you that
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you touch them moving to the glass
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trackpad really help solve that problem
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to keep it sort of uniformly colored and
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textured easy to clean because it is a
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part that you're touching all the time
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same thing with key caps making them out
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of hard plastic figuring out how to make
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key caps so that the letters and numbers
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don't come off I'm sure we have all met
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somebody who is some strain of X person
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which means that they secrete oils from
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their bodies that where the letters off
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of key caps right some people just have
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I don't know it's if it's acidic or
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otherwise solvent-based secretions from
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their fingertips that will defeat almost
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any keyboard and leave their key caps
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perfectly smooth and featureless but
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it's a challenge to wait people have
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acid fingers that's awesome I don't know
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if it's actually acid all I know is that
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some you know if you look at some
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people's keyboards they will have the
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exact same keyboard as you and all the
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letters will be gone from like the home
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row or like the e key and the return
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stuff and you're like look I'm using the
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same keyboard to you for the same period
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of time there's always some difference
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in our body chemistry that is causing
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this tab which is fine like whatever but
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the job of making keyboard is to make it
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easy to clean and make the little you
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know letters resist wearing off for a
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laptop to cover it in fabric fabric
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falls down and almost all these
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categories it is not easy to clean
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because anything that gets in there goes
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down into the weave or whatever and to
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really watch fabric you put it in the
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washing machine if you're lucky that
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does a good job but you're not putting
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your laptop in the washing machine so
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you've got a problem already
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to wash fabric you need moisture you
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like you need like liquid which unless
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you're Casey that's not going anywhere
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near your laptop yet and you know it
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still needs to pass through it like it
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wasn't like I'm just going to go on the
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surface and you want to make it so that
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whatever does get on it comes off easily
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you know and the the surface stays the
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same if you have it in from year-to-year
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and the fabric fabric wears down in
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phrase and can get thin and you know rub
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through in spots and so on and so forth
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so it is not a great solution for
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anything that you're going to handle
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that much I mean even even clothes wear
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out because they're made of cloth we put
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on our body eventually you get two holes
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in the knees and holes in the pockets
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and you know they just fray and like so
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it is definitely a material that you
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can't treat the same way you
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retreat even even Casey's plastic Abba
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and one of the problems with it with the
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plastic iBooks was they were white and
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they had some discoloration issues that
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may not have been noticeable if they
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were like a boring gray or if you know
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if they could if the plastic could be
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formulated differently if it was a
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different color but they were like very
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white and translucent and that was a
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problem I think they probably could be
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cleaned pretty easily I don't know if
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they were porous or what but an even for
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the very what the black book also had
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similar problems with the texture the
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surface texture going eventually Apple
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settled on materials that are pretty
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darn resilient the aluminum and the
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finish they put on the aluminum it's not
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super glossy you know it's like it's
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it's a finish that will stay looking the
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same for pretty much the life of the
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thing and combined with the glass pack
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trackpad and good key caps in the glass
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screens you can have a Apple laptop that
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looks more or less the same plus or
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minus dents and maybe scratches but in
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terms of color discoloration and finish
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many many years later one of these
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fabric-covered things I think no matter
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how careful you are depending on your
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personal body chemistry and amount of
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crap on your hands not literally but
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maybe literally like it's going to be
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very difficult very very difficult to
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keep this thing looking like new with
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unwashable fabric coating the surface
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where your hands are going to be so
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perhaps not a wise choice is a
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differentiator it is a style difference
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as I mentioned last show I think it's a
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style difference that doesn't go far
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enough because it essentially looks like
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bunch of felt on top of which I think
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strongly despite the fabric anyway be
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careful out there with your fabric
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covered laptops one thing I will also
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earlier today and as Casey's talking
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reminded me of this that you know it
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products were plastic and that you had
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to pay it like pay more to get the
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premium Pro ones that were metal and for
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all the complaining I do about some of
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Apple's product decisions or apathy or
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various things there you know nearby
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the move to pretty much everything being
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made of premium materials is appreciated
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that is something that not every brand
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does in fact no other brand does it as
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far as I know in computing every laptop
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like every every Mac that Apple sells is
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now made of metal every phone now like
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is made of you know decent metal and has
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a decent güstrow design like there are
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no more like cheap plastic options that
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unless I'm forgetting something big but
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as far as as far as hell there aren't
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any everything now is made of the nice
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materials that you know for the most
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part that age well and things like that
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so Apple TVs plastic right oh yeah but
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you don't touch that or move it anyway
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is it's nice-looking plastic and you
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totally don't touch it yeah same deal
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with time capsule thanks tip story I
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forgot the time capsule everybody forgot
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about the time capsule yeah Apple
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forever the time capsule but they don't
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sell it they're out of the router
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business I think they still are for sale
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I think they just weren't going to make
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more of them really yeah anyway it
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doesn't matter anyway so yeah just nice
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little note that it's nice that now
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everything is made of good materials
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some of the camera mention the iPhone 5c
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which is my immediate thought with
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plastic I think the iPhone 5c is it
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shows that plastic can look and feel
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premium because I think the 5c was great
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design a great external designer phone
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every time I see them in public
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they look like they're brand new like
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you know it's just very hard durable
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shiny probably really easy to clean
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plastic that doesn't get dirty right so
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it can be done and you know you
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mentioned the Apple TV it's a similar
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type of thing that even people were
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handling that I think would be very
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resistant because if we just make it out
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of like plastic is not just one material
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it's a million different formulations
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and Apple sort of learned the hard way
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which formulations do and don't work
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from the soft plastic on the screen of
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the first iPod Nano you know to the
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discoloring mac books and other
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materials they tried like the titanium
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power book that had problems with the
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paint staying on like they eventually
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set it on a solution that works well and
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they've spread it throughout their line
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which is a good idea but I'm not going
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to count out plastic entirely but I
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think I'm gonna kind of can out fabric
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entirely that's something that you want
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to put the quote-unquote wrist rest area
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of a lap
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as I like no matter how you know you go
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to the furniture store and they say
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we've got the magic coating that repels
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water and you can throw like jell-o
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pudding on this couch and nothing will
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happen and that's true until that
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coating wears away and then you know
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that then you know it's anything that
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you're going to rub something up against
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it's just it's not going to last
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so I suppose they could work on was that
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Simon izing or whatever all sorts of
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SuperDuper waterproofing coating for
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fabrics but a that they make the fabric
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feel more like plastic at that point and
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be even those wear off eventually can I
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pay the extra fifty cents at the car
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wash to get it resized is that about I
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don't know what that I'm just pulling
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that board out of my head know where
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they came I believe that's wax at the
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car wash but I'm not positive yes I go
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through drive-thru car washes you know
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don't add me bro or whatever I can't
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believe you do that I wouldn't do that
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I'm sure Casey wouldn't I I decided I
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decided a few years ago after first
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doing it for cars that I didn't know
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better or didn't care and then I started
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getting nicer cars and people like you
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guys scared me into not going through
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automatic car washes and I didn't want
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to get my clear coat all swirly or
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whatever and the result of that was I
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had really nice cars that were always
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incredibly embarrassingly dirty if you
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live in upstate New York that's what
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you're supposed to have so instead I
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decided starting with with my current
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car I decided I'm not going to care
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anymore
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I'm just going to go through the car
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wash when I feel like it and my car has
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been way cleaner as a result and I don't
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care it's just the lease what do you
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care all the scratches that are getting
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from little little bits of grit that are
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on those flabby things scratching your
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car over the place it's not yours and
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honestly I don't really notice like I I
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know I know what to look for it is a
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little bit different now that my car is
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red it like it's way more notice one
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black on the red it's a lot less
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noticeable or it's noticeable I've fewer
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angles I guess so I don't care and most
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of the time from almost every angle my
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car looks better now that I'm going
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through car washes whenever I feel like
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it rather than when I would go like five
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months of that getting a car wash
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because I had to wait until I could go
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to the place it took an hour or when
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Casey visited pretty much oh to be
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blissfully ignorant again and you know
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it turns out maybe the black cars
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weren't so
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good idea moving on oh man am Archaea
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Banerjee and I'm sorry if I pronounced
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that wrong asks do you folks think that
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the popularity of touch input on Windows
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laptops could just be attributed to the
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terrible trackpads that given a good
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trackpad having a fridge toaster OS in a
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laptop form factors unnecessary I don't
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it's very hard for me to say because
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I've never had a touchscreen laptop and
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I've only ever used them a couple times
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and I found them very frustrating
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because I wasn't used to being able to
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touch the screen and maybe I grazed it
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accidentally and all of a sudden my
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cursor moved or maybe I was stabbing at
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it like a monster who knows but anyway
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because I've never really understood
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understood the appeal of it I don't
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think that it's a trackpad problem
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although I do know that Windows
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computers have just low fly terrible
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trackpads I think that people just
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genuinely do like having touchscreen
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laptops like anyone who I've ever spoken
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to who has a touchscreen Windows laptop
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pretty much every single one of them
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enjoys it and likes having the option of
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stabbing at the screen I don't get that
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it seems kind of kooky to me but that's
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pretty universally my anecdotal
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experience what do you guys think I mean
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we've all been around computers for a
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long time now we know that there are
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screen textures and non screen textures
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so maybe the screen texture is finally
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just one yeah close they don't touch my
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screen I know I agree with Daisy that
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yes they have travel track pads but this
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is a separate issue people like to touch
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the screen and I don't think they do it
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super duper often they just like the
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option of being able to do it because I
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mean just think of the generation it's
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going to grow up with the expectation
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that every screen is touchable to have
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one that's not just seems broken it
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doesn't mean that you're going to spend
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the vast majority of your time on your
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your traditionally laptop shaped piece
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of hardware stabbing at the screen I
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mean you're going to be typing on the
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keyboard you're going to be using the
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trackpad and every once in a while
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you're going to stab at the screen it's
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just all the piece and I think it mostly
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comes down to software like if the touch
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targets are frustratingly small as I
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think it would be if you just slap the
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touchscreen on a Mac that won't be a
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good experience but if you're using
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something like a modern version of
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Windows where a lot of the applications
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and parts of the OS make an effort to
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have touchable targets whatever it's I
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think it's fine and I don't think it has
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to do with the bed
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trackpads because honestly like we we
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track pet connoisseurs Marco in
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particular with his hatred of the forest
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trust trackpad maybe picky about these
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regular people cannot distinguish
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between the worst windows trackpad and
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the best Apple one this because I mean I
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think I think most people have trackpad
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skills that are more in line with mine
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I'm not a tactical acquit I am not
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particularly graceful with the trackpad
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I think I'm closer to the average and
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being a closer to the average trackpad
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person I know how clumsy it feels and
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that is the overwhelming factor in
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trackpad use not the quality of the
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trackpad like or the mouse tracking or
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the size of the trackpad or how
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sensitive it is or whatever no matter
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how good the trackpad is I feel clumsy
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so I think that's how most people feel
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that's why if you were trying to put the
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to track bits maybe they would notice
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the Apple one is bigger but other than
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that they're like whatever they're both
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trackpad so no that's not the reason
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that touchscreens uh I think that's a
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little bit aggressive I think that
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certainly not everyone notices how far
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improved the Apple trackpads are but I
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think a lot of quote-unquote normal
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people do notice I certainly they notice
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the size just like you said but I think
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it's noticed more often than most
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offered people that are not like super
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nerds say to me oh you know I got this
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Mac and man that trackpads much better
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it doesn't happen a lot to your point
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but it does happen for sure it's kind of
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one of those things where if they
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haven't tried the better one they're not
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sitting there using their Windows laptop
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and you come from man how can you use
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that track Reggie like yeah it's fine
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now if you were to give them an Apple
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laptop per weekend they had to go back
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maybe they could tell the difference but
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it's I don't I don't hear it as a pain
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point I don't hear it is a reason people
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don't like their computers or if I go to
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have to use someone's Windows computer
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at work and I say to the person I don't
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know how you work on this trackpad
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they'll be like what what's wrong with
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pointing device and the unequivocally
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device and the buttons above the
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better approach but before gestures were
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laugh at that little nubbin Mouse you're
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wrong it was way better anyway Corey
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interesting specifics below what
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scratch code these are nice glasses they
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cleaning cloth my wife has it has a few
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pairs of these and they really are
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there app can also help you out they
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including prescription lenses glasses
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they should be affordable so make sure
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that you should be able to have multiple
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accessories so check it out today
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Parker for sponsoring our show so
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another Amazon cylinder that isn't a
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cylinder thing came out and I really
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don't care so to somebody who actually
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gives a crap want to talk about this
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marker and I mean this is more of a
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three-dimensional trapezoid fair enough
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yeah good point this is a marker
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that you got we've got a quote from
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someone named Marco who wrote in to the
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show to say I'd upgrade our kitchen echo
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to this in a heartbeat he says looking
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at a vineyard picture of the actual echo
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show yeah
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so Marco have you upgraded your kitchen
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echo to this now that your heart has
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beaten no I haven't because it isn't out
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yet but I did place a pre-order and it
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will be hereon allegedly june 28th so we
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will see when that comes basically the
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gist of it is you know the the Amazon
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echo is is quite wonderful to many
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people myself included and my family has
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really gotten into it we use it all the
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time and it's it lives in our kitchen
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and it is wonderful for playing music
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around the house for setting timers
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especially while cooking TIF uses it all
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the time for things like checking the
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weather in the morning when running
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around getting Adam ready for school so
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it there are a number of use cases
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during the day where it would be nice to
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have a screen for instance the timers
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that I just mentioned it would be nice
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to see how much time is left to see them
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counting down if there ever becomes a
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way to set multiple named timers right
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now you can set multiple timers but you
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can't name them I'm pretty sure the
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timers going be nice to see them
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visually and maybe they have little
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touch buttons to pause or cancel them
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individually because right now it's kind
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of you kind of can't do it very well but
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via voice if you have multiple ones
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going when TIFF checks the weather in
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the morning first of all though these
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pictures show it kind of always have a
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like this home screen that has the clock
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and the current weather conditions on
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the screen all the time so that would be
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nice to do just not even have to ask at
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certain things if you're walking by you
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can glance at it and see the weather so
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there's all sorts of wonderful things
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like that where like many of the uses
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that we currently use the echo for would
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be nicer sometimes or all the time with
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a screen now there is a fair argument to
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be made why don't you just put an iPad
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like right there and just use an iPad
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all the time and enable the hey dingus
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feature on it and and just use that and
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that is a fair argument I have an iPad
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that sits right next to it that I you
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that I take around the first floor and
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please podcast
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while we do things but we really enjoy
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the Amazon echo ecosystem we enjoy the
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way the product works it works very well
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for us to have another echo come out
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that has a screen
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I am willing to give Amazon the benefit
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the doubt on this you know when the
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first came out we all made fun of it
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because they released this horrible
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video and it seemed so weird and creepy
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not to not the difference we mentioned
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last week for from the new echo look the
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weird like dressing-room camera thing
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but you know I I will give them the
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benefit the DAP because as weird as the
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first echo seemed because they were very
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bad at selling it or at promoting it and
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giving us an idea of what it would be
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like it turned out to be pretty great
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for a lot of people myself included and
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my family included also to point out -
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so there have been increasing rumors and
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increasing rumblings that Apple is
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probably going to release something
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similar to this rumors are that it might
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even come as soon as like next month at
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WTC keep in mind that if Apple does
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something like this which would be like
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a premium speaker with some kind of
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screen and some kind of built-in you
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know Siri thing how much is that going
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to cost because this Amazon thing is 230
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bucks and if you might see with them you
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get $100 off that's what I do backwards
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I figure so I will have a say you for
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the second one maybe four maybe we'll
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give it to you know our parents or
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whatever else there is no way that Apple
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is going to release a standalone speaker
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with a screen that is very iPad like
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possibly for $200 like that's not going
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to happen so this will be interesting to
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see like you know how Apple plays in
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this market and also again like you know
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it's going back to previous discussions
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about it like a lot of what makes the
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echo so good are things that Apple's not
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store eclis been so great at things like
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having a really easy to use open
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ecosystem to integrate really well with
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it things like having a really reliable
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voice service that is fast that is very
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consistent that works the same way every
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single time and here's you very very
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well every single time these are things
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that apples so far has struggled with so
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we'll see how that goes but I am
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optimistic about this this Amazon thing
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and to have this only be like 50 bucks
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more than the one without the screen
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is pretty impressive and yeah so I'm
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looking forward to when it arrives in
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June and look it might be terrible we
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don't know yet nobody has a review of it
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no one no one outside of Amazon as far
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as I know has gotten a chance to use one
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yet but again I think Amazon's track
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record in this particular area has
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actually been proven to be pretty good
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so we'll see what happens
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you mentioned before you thought it was
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iPad in your kitchen instead of this I
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don't think that's a particularly good
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argument because the iPad even setting
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aside software issues in terms of how
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well Siri understands it can respond to
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what you can do and how open the
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ecosystem is for adding you know various
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skills and actions that connect other
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devices in your house even just setting
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that aside just in terms of the hardware
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an iPad can't compete with this type of
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device in two of the three areas that
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are most important one speakers iPad the
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new iPads have very good speakers but
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this device is dedicating way more room
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for speakers so in theory again we
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haven't seen one of these in theory you
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can put way way way better speakers in
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this thing because it's just so much
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more room for quote unquote real
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speakers instead of very clever little
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cavities in your skinny little thing and
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playing audio to fill the whole kitchen
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or whatever is an important function of
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these types of devices and the second
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one is microphones the iPad has I think
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it has multiplex probably for noise
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cancellation but I think that's to the
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strengths of the echo is whatever weird
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five microphone beamforming BS it does
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to be able to you're fast how many eight
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eight I know anyway there's way more
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room for more microphones in this type
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of thing and again we don't know how
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many microphones this thing has but
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based on the the the echos that they
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have put out this is one of the most
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important function of this thing is to
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be able to hear you no matter where you
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are and the iPad the current iPads just
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don't dedicate that much hardware for
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that the third area where I think it
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feel like it can match it is in the
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camera because you didn't mention this
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but this doesn't just have a screen it
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has a camera and they're selling the
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kind of video conferencing thing who
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knows how that will go that's a whole
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sort of network effect the ecosystem
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type thing we may just still end up end
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up facetiming each other on our phones
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I do see why they
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added this and I think people will use
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it just not me yeah you get one to
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Grandma who doesn't who doesn't have an
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iPhone doesn't know how iPhones work and
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she can just come in front of this
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especially the drop end feature like
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where you don't actually where the
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certain time where your thing is open to
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just suddenly seeing you seeing these
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people on the screen you know like if
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you set this up with with relatives who
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are not tech savvy to just to be able to
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do video conferencing where you could
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you could never get them to use an iPad
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even that was too much for them if you
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just plot this down in their counter
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like I think that could be effective for
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that particular purpose yeah but for
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regular people I don't know but the
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camera again getting back to the the
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work all the look or the AV echo look
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over what the hell's it call that go
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scream was to call ago go look at go
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show echo show that's because every one
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things to podcast but now the other one
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talking about the look the fashion feel
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the worst names okay yeah that's that's
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called the look yeah so are saying last
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week that this this device category of
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computing devices in your home that have
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cameras that can see you has legs and
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here we have within the next week
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another device that grant from the same
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company that puts a camera in your house
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they could see you and does something
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with it
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both of them look like they have tiny
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little you know tablet type cameras so I
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think that's a wash in terms of the iPad
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competing with this but I would be
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looking for these type of devices the
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look and the show and other things like
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this to get increasingly sophisticated
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cameras they can follow you that made
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multiple cameras to synthesize an image
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with you know depth sensors and stuff
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like that because that's where these
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things are going to have more sort of
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awareness of what's going on they can
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project sound and video to you and they
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can be aware of where you are they can
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hear you roam at ur where you are and
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they could see you no matter where you
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are as far as I can tell from this one
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no it's easy when you're in front of it
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and that leads me to that all the things
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I don't like about this particular
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hardware product like if it is a fixed
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camera that's kind of crappy you hope
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it'll be smarter but again cost you know
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whatever this is the first original
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weight this thing is homely it's not
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it's not an attractive device yeah I
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will agree with you on that I mean but
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to be to be fair like the echo cylinder
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is also not very attractive I think
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that's pretty sleek and I think the
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cylinder has a thing going for it would
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be unobtrusive you could put it off the
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side although I do there's another
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reason why I like the
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the Google home now that I think about
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it because I was thinking about you know
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if we got an echo where would I put it
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the home is smaller than the echo and it
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is less obtrusive in the place where I
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have it but this you can't make this
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unobtrusive because it has to be a place
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where you can see the screen and it's
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it's not particularly attractive it
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black or white it looks kind of like a
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sort of retro 70s piece of hardware it's
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very it's very strange it just certainly
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doesn't look elegant it doesn't look
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like an Apple device anyway and it
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doesn't you know it has kind of sort of
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it's kind of like a Brutalism kind of
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like a rugged you know maybe soviet-era
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hardware yeah I guess it has has a
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certain appeal but and then finally this
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this thing is I can't really tell from
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the pictures but it's slanted back in
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all the pictures I see it's tilted
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backwards like the shape dictates the
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tilt it doesn't seem to have an
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adjustable tilt and for something that
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you're going to be looking at that's
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going to be looking back at you that
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seems just organically and practically
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speaking very limiting because the echo
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you can put literally anywhere that it
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can hear you like high low left-right
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just whatever it's fine this thing you
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need sight lines and you need to be able
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to see it and it needs to be able to see
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you and depending on how tall you are or
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how tall most of the people are even
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just being able to see kids and adults
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like how would you get that thing in a
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position where it can both where grandma
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can both see your you know kids that are
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half your height and you and even just
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if you're you know just living by
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yourself you have to put it on a surface
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where the camera can see you and you can
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see the screen which just like it seemed
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it seems like that it would have been
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better to design this to have a little
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bit more flexibility about angle and
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stuff again costs I understand like you
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can't have an adjustable stand or any
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kind of tilt thing that is any
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reasonable quality for this price point
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so like I'm willing to to give a lot of
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leeway there but this definitely it kind
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of reminds me of the first Kindle
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remember what a monster the first Kindle
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was oh that was that was something but a
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weird angular white thing with the weird
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terrible hardware keyboard on it it's
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like they took a lot of shots of that
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until they kind of settled down onto
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like the paperwhite which is kind of the
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epitome of the old-style Kindle and now
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they've gone by that weird things like
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thick on one edge and thin on the other
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they need to iterate on this one I'm
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sure they will although I say I'm sure
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they will but were they done to the
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Amazon echo it's still the same black
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cylinder it always was made
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just nail that one on the first try but
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I worry about the software your system
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too because once I start get into the
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realm of like video calling and stuff
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like that I think it's going to be
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difficult for them to compete with
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FaceTime this is basically what they've
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got here they've got their own little
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version of FaceTime and FaceTime for all
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of the wonkiness of like the weird
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patent thing that costumes have the
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restructure the way it's done and the
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fact that Steve Jobs impulsively said it
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was going to be opened up to the world
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and it ever was and all the things I use
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it for its intended purpose frequently
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and it works you know I mean I can
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successfully send video and audio to
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people the only limiting factor is ever
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crappy internet connections which is
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really nothing you can do about right
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because if you're trying to communicate
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with somebody was a crappy internet
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connection or you have a crappy internet
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connection it's not great but it will
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gracefully degrade to a black screen
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with just audio and also things it
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basically works and Amazon as far as I'm
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aware this is kind of their first foray
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into this I think did they do like kind
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of video support for one of the the
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color fire tablets maybe so maybe it's
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not not their very first thing yes yeah
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they had some kind of thing where it was
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it was like a screen sharing thing where
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you could wear like their support rep
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could like login to your tablet and show
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you how to do things or do things for
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you because I see them or do they see
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you I don't know I never I don't think
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I've heard anybody actually using this
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feature but they did have that kind of
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thing and again I think this is one of
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those things like Amazon you know
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similar to the to the like the the drop
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in thing was that what they call oddness
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where you can like kind of force call
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someone yeah it's the same as the Google
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like knock knock thing that we thought
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was a dangerous you know sort of thing
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thing for abuse but this is opt-in but
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but at least the way they're doing it
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yeah it's like it's update its whitelist
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only you know so and it seems like it's
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pretty well controlled but like I do
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give Amazon credit they have four years
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on their tablets and other products you
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know other like you know mainstream
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consumer products for years they have
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been adding features like that or like
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very good you know
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parental controls and like kids
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scheduling and everything else like
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features that that you really would
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expect it coming like Apple to do
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because that you know Apple so
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considerate and innovative and cares a
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lot about the customer experience and
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everything Amazon has really made a lot
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of these features over the years and and
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they can kind of get away with it
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because they're scale is so much
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like they like imagine the the staffing
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required if Apple were to do one of
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those things or they will log in to your
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computer with you and show you how to do
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things like that they would never in a
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products as far as we're aware well
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that's true there's no labels in the
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y-axis they make a bunch of weird stuff
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and not all of it works but it does seem
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like III think they have they have
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earned the benefit the doubt in that
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some of their weird stuff is actually
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really good it's also weird that like I
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made a setting aside Apple which is has
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a strange history with these type of
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devices and just like being almost like
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stubbornly unwilling to enter markets
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even after it's proven they're they're
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viable just because it doesn't seem big
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enough to Apple they have different
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plans or they're pursuing other
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strategies and just in the meantime we
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get nothing and now maybe they're fun
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going to come out with one but like an
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apple that was doing the opposite of
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what it's actually doing the current
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Apple is reducing the number of things
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that it's not getting rid of the the you
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know the the routers and reducing trying
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to simplify its computer and phone lines
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and you know it's it's going the other
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direction but if it wasn't going in that
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direction it was expanding there's a lot
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of categories of devices that you feel
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like Apple could make a good one up and
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also Google both of these companies have
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the have all the pieces to be able to
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make a really good Bluetooth speaker a
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really good thing that listens to you I
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I would I would argue that I don't think
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we have seen great hardware from Google
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cool I mean Google hummus is fine we've
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seen lots of things that come kind of
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close and they always kind of fall down
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on the support they don't follow through
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or the products end up being delayed and
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not shipping or they have weird
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shortcomings or they only get an OS for
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like six months like Google I think
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Google has shown that they are really
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not set up to be a company that sells
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and supports their own hardware but they
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don't follow through but they have all
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the pieces to make it they have the
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server side component they can make
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reasonable hardware even if it's just a
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broken part chromecast shoved in a
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cylinder which is the Google home and
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the chromecast for that matter like that
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little Donnelly thing like I I agree
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with you that the follow-through isn't
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there but
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they have the pieces to make it happen
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like any company can make a Bluetooth
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speaker but once you start connecting it
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up to services not everybody has
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services google has tons of services
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Apple has enough services that you know
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you give Siri and and Google now and so
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like what's on the other end of this
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making it work right and so those simple
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categories of like wouldn't we have all
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you know loved if Apple made a good
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Bluetooth speaker and had been revising
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it over the years we would all give them
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an extra 50 bucks for the Apple one
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because it would be nice in some way if
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it was actually nice and the same thing
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for you know essentially a Bluetooth
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speaker with a screen the Siri that you
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can ask the weather that you know like
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the cheapest possible iPad shoved into a
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Bluetooth speaker thing with much better
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like Apple could have made this is what
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I'm saying Apple could make the exact
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echo show and who knows at WABC they may
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announce the thing they've made that is
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like this but better and has Marco said
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twice is expensive whatever but they
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haven't been participating in this
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market at all leaving other people to
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try all sorts of things and I supposed
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to gain loyalty and to build their
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ecosystems and someone is over to the
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point where I feel like Google so what
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happening they're like oh we should have
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a cylinder and so they do and maybe
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Google will try to come out with
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something like this too and just to see
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Apple sit on the sidelines it's it's
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fine if they are working on the next big
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thing but it may turn out that these
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little things build up the next big
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thing and if Apple's going to sit it out
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for much longer I think it's a mistake
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I'm curious to see what happens
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and I'll use me as an example if it
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let's say at WWDC they announced the the
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Apple equivalent of this tube thing I'm
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stumbling because I don't want to say
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any of the like trigger words and I have
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to have you believe them later but
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anyway it's called the Apple Alexa hey
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Siri yeah well you did this to yourself
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so anyway if Apple releases a a lady in
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a canister equivalent I'm curious to see
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what my reaction will be because sitting
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here now like again I don't doubt that
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the echo is very nice and that it serves
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a purpose for a lot of people and that
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I've no doubt Marco that you guys use it
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constantly and love it like that that's
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there's nothing wrong with that me I I
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don't feel like this is solving a
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problem that I have my life I said that
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many times before I'm curious as kind of
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a litmus test to how susceptible I am to
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whatever Apple tells me to do I'm
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curious to see what happens if Apple
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releases their own leading
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canister and what my reaction is to that
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because if I'm like well holy crap I've
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got to have one of these how could I've
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lived without it and it's really just a
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echo but Apple branded then apparently I
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really am a lemming and and it's all
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downhill from here
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in reality it would most likely be $300
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and you would say oh I don't want to buy
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this one I'll get the next one maybe and
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then inevitably I'll buy it anyway
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yeah it's six months later you'll have
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three of them speaking of a Google Alma
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miner Google home update they added a
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thing like let's you distinguish people
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by voice and so they can ask for you
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know tell me what my day is like and it
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will tell you your calendar by directing
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guising who you are so it's basic multi
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user functionality unfortunately no one
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ever asked Google home what's on their
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calendar because it's just not a thing
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that we do and so distinguishing us by
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voice is not particularly useful I think
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the only two voices and notice that this
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thing is mine and my daughter's because
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we are like the most frequent users but
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all that said I continue to be impressed
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by I mean it's basically this Google
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search behind the scenes because I'm
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always impressed by Google search when
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you do when you type in something in
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that search box and it somehow figures
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out what you mean and gives you relevant
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results that's the magic of Google most
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recent one is we were talking about
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something of dinner table and we're
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talking about a movie and and like was
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that release then or well you know what
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year was that released we could ask the
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Google home what year was the movie bla
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bla bla released and I didn't have to
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think about how do I have to phrase this
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in a way they can understand I don't
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even remember how I phrased it I just
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asked it the same way I would ask a a
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person with encyclopedic knowledge of
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movie releases who's sitting in the
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corner of the room and the thing spoke
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out the movie bla bla was released in
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March bla bla bla bla bla that to me is
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still magic because a it's exactly like
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Google search like I probably just
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turned it into into text and typed into
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Google search and then read me the top
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hit or something like that but the
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bottom line is it answered my question
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it wasn't just like a a general purpose
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like what's the weather what does my day
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look like I had a specific question
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about a movie about the release date and
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interesting just tell me the movie and
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list off like all the metadata let me
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tell you everything about this movie
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starring this person directly this
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person releasing I had to wait for the
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it just told me the release date of the
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and that I love that right and that's
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something that I feel like you can't do
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if you aren't backed by Google because
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the hard part is not hearing me in
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translating a text the hard part is
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figuring out what did you say and what
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did you mean and how do I answer you now
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for all I know that's a canned thing
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that they expect people to ask or
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whatever but the more of those I have
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the less I think I'm just getting lucky
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and happening to hit upon something they
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anticipated and especially coded support
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for and there's just like the magic of
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Google so what was the movie Speight I
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don't remember I hope it was too long
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ago but despite this by Google home I
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feel like it's still it's still not
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being revised as quickly as I would have
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hoped and its capabilities not expanding
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in the way that I hoped but just for the
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basic functionality of answering my
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questions let me have the dinner table
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and quickly settling arguments it's
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money well spent
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all right name a movie on 4 October
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there you go Alexa what year was the
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Hunt for Red October released the movie
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The Hunt for Red October was released in
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1989 it's magic there's been a lot of
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these queries where I will ask the echo
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one of the you know a question like this
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and the things that I will say will that
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that I think there's no way that it's
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going to be able to help me with this
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well it didn't because it's wrong it's
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the 2nd of March 1990
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really minor points morning-time DB that
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was the American really is that
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international versus you okay we'll hold
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on though lately when I thought to
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myself that didn't sound right to me
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you can ask similar questions about
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albums and songs and an artist or who
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sings the song whatever and all the
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lyrics search where you can name any
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lyrics in the song and it will figure it
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out I mean there's a lot of overlap
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between these things but like that that
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I think is amazing and like ask the same
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question say you know what is the
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release date for what year was it
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released you know when was it put out
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like just try different phrasings and
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see like eventually if you can stump it
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but it's pretty good well but basically
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so my point is I have asked it questions
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like this a number of times thinking
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that it would get it wrong the thinking
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that there would there be no chance
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that'll get it right and it gets it
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right about maybe 2/3 to 3/4 of the time
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when I ask a weird question like that
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which is not only better than I expect
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but but is probably fairly similar to
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most of these things he probably even
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fairly similar how many how often Google
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gets it right like in my experience the
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the accuracy of search results between
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different search engines lately like I
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still use DuckDuckGo as my primary
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search engine Google like it turns out
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this this kind of stuff is actually not
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that rare to be decent at like there it
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is not just Google that can do these
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things like it is possible for other
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find anything on the IMDB website with
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your own eyes and hands so it's like
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who played the main character and I'm
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just scanning and seeing I have to
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disclose something or click on something
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it's just tons of you know sound and
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fury signifying nothing
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the answer on this page and just got
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my kitchen as much as I would like to
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really tell how big it is from the
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pictures but certainly it is both wider
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whatever you has to be somewhere where
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might be fairly small because didn't
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maybe it's I'm its hardtail maybe it's
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smaller than it looks like but anyway
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the space and the line of sight for the
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replace like a kitchen TV so if this
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live TV oh everyone at Apple has a
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skinny bundle and a live TV offering
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shows or whatever with like
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Audrey that I'm thinking of but that
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devices from from the big the big three
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all right so somebody has put something
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immediately that it was John I mean come
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around that hopefully you two were too
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busy this evening to read and follow the
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I think we should all take I have
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already taken it takes two seconds
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asks you to make a bunch of selections
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make the selections do not share your
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comments and then we've all done it come
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back and we will discuss our choices so
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here you guys in the chat room okay so
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what the hell is alphabet that's Google
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right Google's parent that's Google if
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an evil monarch forced you to choose in
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which order would you give up these
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inescapable Giants of text so okay I'm
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done well I give me I gotta think about
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this for a second easy-peasy people yeah
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Casey's got a mullet over just a little
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yell done yes
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all right so now I will explain the
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premise they list the big tech companies
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alphabet basically Google Apple
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you and what are you would you be
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willing to give them up so if there's
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one company that you're like I don't
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care if that company goes away tomorrow
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that's obviously your number one pick
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you'd pick that one and like and you
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keep working your way down at the end
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you'll be left with the company you
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would least like to see depart this
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earth like if they just disappeared or
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whatever so who wants to go first what
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what uh well let's just let's go through
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our let's do top four style okay first
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of all the question of like how many
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people do you think arrived at this
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article and knew what alphabet was and
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then every time they mention it they
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because nobody knows what that is
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because Google is so bad at everything
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branding wise everything human they
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can't do I would have just called it
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Google but yes Lee uses the Google brand
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something that is in alpha but not in
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Google that you care about like S&S
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stuff or something anyway let's let's
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now do our number one choice they're
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backwards top for the company that we
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would all be willing to get rid of first
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I'm willing to bet we all have the same
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one for this one yes Facebook Facebook
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nope whoa no all right what did you pick
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Microsoft Microsoft hmm what is
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Microsoft done for me lately and by
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lately I mean in the last year no more
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than that well they did like provide
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your livelihood for many years right
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okay yeah that's why I said only in the
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last year and you're absolutely right
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yeah but now you have a grudge like it
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in the style I am Mike
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figure edge no no no I will never be a
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grudge day well no it will never be
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grunts like you but you know uh what is
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Microsoft done for me lately nothing
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really I mean I do love Visual Studio
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code yes people are mentioning Visual
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Studio for the Mac but that's just a
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rebranded xamarin develop monodevelop
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whatever it's called I don't think that
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there's anything that Microsoft has
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given me in the last eight days 12 to 18
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months that really affects me day-to-day
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and maybe I'm just missing something but
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I do get some value out of Facebook
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believe it or not whereas I don't think
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IG actively get any value out of
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Microsoft today what value do you get at
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Facebook
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oh shit Instagram oh shoot I didn't mean
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that at all oh that might change my tune
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yeah I just wrote but let's see I can't
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throw Microsoft under the bus either
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because I use their keyboard ha ha and
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also they own sky which were you which
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we don't love but we use it every week
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and there's nothing good to replace it
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these are all hard choices i factored
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this into my choice for Facebook is
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number one
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despite oculus which you also forgot
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about and Instagram or whatever that
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Facebook is the one I get rid of and
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rehab is evil monarch it doesn't
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necessarily say which one of these
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affects you that so that's the framing
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device that you're bringing to it
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Casey's decided the way he's going to
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pick this is like which one effects his
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life but there are many other factors
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that you use in determining which one do
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you want to depart this earth magically
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and Facebook I want to depart for so
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many reasons
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despite Instagram which I enjoy and
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despite oculus which may or may not be
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an interesting thing that I used some
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day that almost everything else they do
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i don't like and i believe that the need
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they fill could be filled equally or
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better by some other company if they
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were to just poof out of existence so
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facebook is my number one i don't like
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them yeah I'm going to stick with that
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to Eve as much as I love Instagram it it
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is like the other things on this list
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are more important to me and the
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omission of Facebook from the world I
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think I agree with you I think would
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have a better effect on the world not
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just me then then the removal of any
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other ones here Flickr could rise again
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to fill the Instagram if Instagram
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didn't exist I feel like something else
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would have done a similar thing because
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what it does is not as revolutionary as
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that it was able to do it and gather
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this network of people and so on and so
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forth I mean honestly it's kind of
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amazing that tumblr didn't do that and I
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know I'm biased here but it was I
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looking back on it I think that tumblr
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had a big opportunity to be what
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Instagram was but their timing to mobile
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was all wrong because you know it was
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similar cases what would almost made
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Facebook pretty irrelevant in the mobile
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age is that like when you have like a
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big like desktop browser web service
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it's hard when mobile comes around to
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realize that you have to change
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everything and be mobile first Facebook
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realized it almost too late
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tumblr got it got it on it eventually
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too but by that point like a lot of the
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ground was already taken and including
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things against a gram alright so number
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two Facebook yeah for me is Microsoft
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obviously I saw for me as well and you
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know like you know like pieces they
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haven't done a lot for me recently
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however again these companies are all
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really big they do own a lot of stuff
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like you know none of us had anything
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nice except for Casey had anything nice
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to say about about the Facebook product
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itself but Instagram is owned by it so
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we have to consider that oculus think
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things like that
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with Microsoft they own a lot of stuff
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too as a dimension they own Skype we're
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all using Skype right now and as much as
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we hate it there's there's no clear
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better thing for podcasters to use
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except whatever the Germans are using
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with that studio link thing but I don't
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know anything about that I can't read
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German I can't understand the page and
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it looks like it's some kind of weird
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plugin for another app I don't use so
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well well well I guess I'll figure out
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some other time hope but so far so far
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you can still use Google Translate
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because you haven't got rid of Google
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yet so yeah right I actually did use
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that to read the day I opened the page
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in chrome so I could use the built-in
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Translate but but yeah ultimately
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Microsoft doesn't have a large role in
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my life so that would be my number two
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and it's not I don't really like I don't
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really dislike Microsoft I kind of feel
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bad for them these days because they're
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playing catch-up on so many major
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important fronts in the industry
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but they just don't provide a lot of
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value for me compared to the other ones
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above it on this list
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I picked Microsoft for a bunch of
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reasons most of which are not evil
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grudges there is evil grudge in the back
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of my mind
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but I can think of a lot of reasons why
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I actually wouldn't want them to go away
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which is why they're not number one Xbox
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even though I don't like it is an
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important counterbalance to PlayStation
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it's only real competitor in the same
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sort of level playing field because
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Nintendo is always off doing its own
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weird things so I think it's good that
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it exists that they did by Bungie which
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will wait them for forever but on the
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other hand we would not have the Bungie
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that we have today if it was not for
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Microsoft right so there's some credit
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there the cloud stuff they're doing I
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think is interesting and again is a
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counterbalance to both Amazon and Google
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and so I'd like to see more competition
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there but I don't like Word or Excel or
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office I think all this program the
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world will be better if those programs
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disappeared and we should you know again
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what come up with modern alternatives
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there dinosaurs we can't get rid of them
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because they've always been here and you
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know like it's a self-perpetuating cycle
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and you know the all those products I
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listed I either don't use them or would
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love to use something else so I don't I
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don't say goodbye to them with a grudge
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but out of this group they are my number
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two all right
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so number three Google for me yep dead
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oh there excuse me I selected alphabet
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whatever that means but I'm gonna say it
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means Google and this is again tricky
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because this includes things like
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YouTube which is you know that's a major
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I didn't consider that I think I think I
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stick by it
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but that's the thing all of these
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companies they have major acquisitions
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and major properties that you don't
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think of necessarily but you know Google
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owns YouTube and that's a major thing
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so that will you know that's hard to
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give up in a lot of ways for a lot of
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people and that but like you know there
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are other ways to find videos online
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just none of them are very big I guess
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but that doesn't mean somebody else
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couldn't make one I don't know it's it's
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a weird calculus but you know I don't
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use Google's Web Apps for anything other
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than the show notes for this show which
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we could you know we've again we decided
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that's the best for us to just use
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Google Docs for our share notes for the
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show but there are other options you
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know the we've all decided they aren't
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as good but we could go to one of them
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and I don't use Google web search the
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vast majority of
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time I'm almost always using DuckDuckGo
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I only occasionally jump into Google
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when I'm not finding the answer I want
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so it's that would be fairly easy for me
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but for a lot of other people that would
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be really hard because they they have a
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lot of tie ins to things like Gmail that
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are really important to them so it's
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kind of easy one for me to say Google
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but I wouldn't think that would be very
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common I did not say Google I said
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Amazon interesting you know as we were
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talking I started to wonder if me
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choosing Google for number three was a
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poor choice because specifically of
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youtube i I don't contribute to YouTube
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very often although I have once but I I
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feel like I am on YouTube almost every
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day to look at something or look up
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something or something like that so my
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answer was to put Google as number 3 but
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I wonder if maybe I should have swapped
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that with Amazon so how did you land on
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Amazon as the next one to go John well
[TS]
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Google stuff that Google does is you
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know going back to the Casey framing of
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like these things that are important you
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like to use I use it for my email there
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is no alternative for a gmail that has
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the same properties like I don't like
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something my own server using IMAP is
[TS]
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not the same as Gmail I am a gmail user
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at this point not an email user I use
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Google search all the time and I the
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alternatives are differently able to do
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things but I'm used to the way Google
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works and I just use it so extensively
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that I wouldn't want to have to try to
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get you something else
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YouTube was a big factor in my decision
[TS]
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as well I spend a lot of time watching
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YouTube videos and I believe that it's
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not a matter of if they went away
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someone else can make a video a service
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because even before Google owned YouTube
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YouTube is very good at what it what it
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does in terms of you know making video
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that plays when you hit the play button
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that the recommendation engine to
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figuring out things you might be
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interested in and you know there's all
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sorts of terrible things about YouTube
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as well inevitably is the big dominant
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player in a field but I think they do a
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good job of what they do and if you know
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Google went away tomorrow it would take
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a long time for those ecosystems to
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reform around what another set of
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services so I wouldn't want to say
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goodbye to as well and
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all the other stuff that Google does all
[TS]
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the wacky things that it does for the
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most part I like them the translation
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engine that was translating a German web
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page for you Google has really good
[TS]
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translation and it gets better all the
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time all their weird projects with
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hot-air balloons and Wi-Fi and
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self-driving cars and like I love all
[TS]
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that stuff about Google and I think the
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world would be lesser for them not to be
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there so that's why an Amazon why would
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I pick Amazon as my number three Amazon
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is great I use it like crazy like that
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that's what I was thinking about like if
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Amazon one way where would I order all
[TS]
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my stuff because I order so much stuff
[TS]
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from there right but I've used other
[TS]
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places that sell you stuff over the
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internet and they're not that much worse
[TS]
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than Amazon now maybe they don't have as
[TS]
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much selection and maybe they don't have
[TS]
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as cheap shipping and so on and so forth
[TS]
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I live beg to differ here I've used
[TS]
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enough of them to know I mean even just
[TS]
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like a simple is like when I you know
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camera stuff I can buy from Amazon or I
[TS]
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can buy it from B&H photo and bnh photo
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is not a Titan of the internet industry
[TS]
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but it's fine lens rentals comm is not
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Amazon but but it was fine you know like
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but I've I bought enough stuff online
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from non Amazon places that I feel like
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I could live with that
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and often my defaulting of Amazon that
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we all do like I go to buy somewhere
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let's go to Amazon that defaulting runs
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me to trouble more often these days
[TS]
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because I will accept Amazon selection
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as well Amazon does it have it must not
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exist which is not true or if Alison has
[TS]
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a price it must be a reasonable price
[TS]
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which is not true sometimes something on
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Amazon is insanely highly priced and you
[TS]
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need to do some comparisons elsewhere
[TS]
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for a variety of weird reason so I do
[TS]
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use it I do value and rely on the
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service but I believe that it is not as
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impressive and because I don't have an
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echo and don't do I'm not in that
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it was my number three was this was
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probably my most difficult choice
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between these two Amazon and an alphabet
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interesting alright so that makes number
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four next is that right see this is
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where I picked Amazon for my number four
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I saved it for this same here you know
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my reasoning
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for saving it for so long throughout
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this this elimination is basically that
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you know there are lots of places like
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lots of other online retailers for the
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of stuff including if you're a
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programmer AWS which is kind of
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important for a lot of stacks and and
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not always easy to replace the
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components you're using depending on
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what you're using but anyway for retail
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alone whenever I buy anything from other
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places I very often wish I would have
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bought it from Amazon for various
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reasons there's a lot of parts of it
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that other people can do reasonably well
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sometimes but it's rare that you get any
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other vendor anywhere else online that
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has the the combination of everything
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ends on offers and and this is not only
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like the the kind of fundamentals of
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buying stuff online which is you know
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get it for a good price I mean now a lot
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of places offer the same price on things
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as Amazon or similar price close enough
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pricing but also be able to ship to you
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quickly and for not that much money and
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be able to accept returns really easily
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if it doesn't work out for you if it
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arrives broken be able to provide you
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know basic order tracking and things
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like that many of the other online
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retail things that are that are good
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amazon actually owns them things like
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Zappos and SOCOM which is now merged
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into Amazon diapers.com all this stuff
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like a lot of those things that Amazon
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actually owns them all so it would it
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would rule out a bunch of that stuff and
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it's also just really nice to have
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somewhere where like I've been buying
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large quantities of things from Amazon
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for so many years now for well over a
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decade now that I can go back and search
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my order history whenever I need to know
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what was that thing I bought or when did
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I buy this thing that might be about to
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break and I want to know how long it's
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Warren T is like when did I buy this how
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much should I pay for it back then you
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know how do I you know if I want to get
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another one of these things because the
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one I have just wore out or broke or ran
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out or whatever
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what exactly was that so I can just go
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buy the same thing again Amazon is great
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when you have a big history like that
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and so there are there are other than
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there's other retailers that that
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provides some of these parts but to have
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it all in one place like Amazon is is
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really very very convenient there are
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lots of things about Amazon retail that
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is that are bad things like you know the
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conditions in their warehouses or for
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some friends for some other workers like
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there have been various reports over
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time about how those aren't those are
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less than great so it's not it's not
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wonderful in always being a seller on
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Amazon apparently has a lot of issues
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because of things like they're
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incredibly overly generous return policy
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for the for the customer which is very
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problematic for a lot of the sellers but
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for the most part as a user of Amazon I
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really really greatly greatly enjoy it
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again it isn't perfect like they're like
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for example I recently got a need to get
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a a SanDisk memory card a fairly fast
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decent one that was like 60 bucks and
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any memory card is kind of a risk to buy
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from Amazon because they have such a
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problem with counterfeit products being
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in their stock and memory cards are very
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commonly counterfeited so anything like
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that I'll buy from B&H because they're
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they're much more reliable on that in
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that in that way and things like pro
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audio gear I'll buy from B&H most of
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time too but like for the with the with
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those few exceptions anything I can buy
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from Amazon I usually will buy from
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Amazon which is a Charles remember AWS
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s3 ec2 and all the other services that
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Amazon that's powering tons of star ups
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I know there are equivalent cloud
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offerings from Microsoft in Google but
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if they were to disappear the next day
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we're probably kill like half the
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internet startups and a bunch of other
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companies like it was like when as three
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goes down you find out how many
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companies are relying on it so it is a
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tough one but yeah I I had a number
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three instead of number four you never
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and I had Google in them before but I
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already talked about that
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fair enough so we all chose Apple last
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yeah I mean surprise like obviously
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we're going to do that but I suppose
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this is a good litmus test for this quiz
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doesn't give you much doesn't give you
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much guidance you could use any criteria
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you want to remove it and we're all
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talking about different things we
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thought about but I I would guess that
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for for the reason we kept to Google or
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Apple until last is mostly based on the
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fact that we use Macs and
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iOS devices so it's suddenly a very
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personal decision I get that factored in
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like oh I use Gmail or I already lots of
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stuff from Amazon or you know I get some
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value from Facebook and not from
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Microsoft cuz I don't use their stuff
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but for Apple I think would actually be
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harder to argue about like if Apple is
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gone no one will be able to do X right I
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think at least for me it more comes down
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to I use them like the Mac and there is
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no alternative that I would want to use
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and I use them like iOS devices and
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there's probably no alternative that I
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would want to use and so I don't want
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those things to go away for me it is
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less about if Apple is gone they'll
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never be self-driving cars because
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that's not true if Apple is gone no one
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will ever make VR a are not true like if
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Apple is gone no one will ever make a
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you know a handheld touch operating
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system again actually we have those now
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you know so it's not it's not based on
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future stuff like I think in the past if
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we were sort of in the in the beginning
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phases like just after the iPod and when
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Apple was making a series of you know
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computers that were really impressive
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and weird and you know setting the world
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on fire and then the iPod the surprise
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success the surprise overnight five-year
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success I think I would have said at
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that time I'm saying now before last
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because I want to see what they do next
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because they're just doing hit after hit
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after hit and even the duds like the
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cube are still awesome right you know
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what what is that Apple going to do next
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these days I have less of what is an
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Apple go to do next thing and it's more
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just like please Apple you make many
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products that I like and enjoy that an
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important part of my life and I wouldn't
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like the alternatives please
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keep making them and improving them
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which is a lesser thing but I did save
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it for last and for me it's for very
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selfish reasons I mean I make my living
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off of Apple no matter how you slice it
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be at this show or my job' job it's all
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because of Apple at this point so I
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would be pretty sad and broke if he
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disappeared for me it's all about Beats
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I just don't want to give up my feet my
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beats solo2 studio-x headphones don't an
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apple music connect right is that really
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a big part of your life yes yes
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definitely I really love connecting with
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my engaged I don't even know what it
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does it's a big part of finding the
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setting to remove that
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your toolbar in iOS that's the best yeah
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no I mean you know so like Casey I also
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make my my living off of Apple stuff you
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know whether it's through my iOS app
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which could not exist anymore Apple went
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away you know and you know yes overcast
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does have a web player which is used by
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something like 1% of the user base so
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that's probably not much of a business
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there granted it does suck but it's
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still not much not much users there so
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my living would go away or most of it at
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least we could theoretically keep
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podcasting and we could make money that
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way but a large part of what we talked
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about would go away especially if we
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limit LIGO 5 companies look for keys
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here we'd all be using Windows or Linux
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and androids I think we'd have a lot of
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things to talk about that's yeah that's
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the spirit so that would be a problem
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but and also I will go one step further
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speaking of that John that you know you
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mentioned that you know like that you
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would that without Apple you know you
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couldn't really say like all without
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Apple nobody would ever do X or this
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this thing would ever exist I would say
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that there are many of those things in
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practice but the one that I will point
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out here is I think without Apple nobody
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would ever make a great personal
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computing platform again and there's
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lots of reasons why and this could be a
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bigger discussion I don't know but this
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is part of the reason why I'm so
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defensive of Apple continuing to make
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Pro hardware and keeping the Mac healthy
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because without that many slices of
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people have to go to Windows or Linux or
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whatever future options might come about
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and I honestly do not believe that
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anyone else any other company will ever
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make a good general purpose computer
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operating system as we know it today
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besides Apple well you put a lot of
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qualifiers on that because you're saying
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as we know it like I think that if Apple
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was to go away and you're waiting for
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the next great one of those things it
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would be an nos that is not quote
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unquote as we know today like to give an
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example from the past that didn't quite
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do it but I feel like could have webOS
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and remember webOS this little mess had
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some bad idea
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but it's not is not a desktop operating
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system or general purpose operating
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system as we know it right and even you
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can even argue Android like I feel like
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the next what you'd be waiting for is
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the next great computing platform after
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Android essentially because we've
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already got Android and iOS here race
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we've already raised Google's or Android
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has gone and then we have raced Apple so
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that was gone so we're left sided with
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this void right and I feel like the next
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thing to emerge would be more like webOS
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iOS and Android you're right that there
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would never be with all your qualifiers
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a great personal computing
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general-purpose computing platform as we
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know it because I feel like that time
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has passed and so it is true that we'd
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be losing we'd be losing a category of
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things right and that would be sad for
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that Apple apples like apples core
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could be with that Apple how long would
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security your data to the point where
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value that is spread very far and wide
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in tech so it would be shame to lose
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that as well interesting quiz for sure
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yeah so now now we can scroll down
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anything and see what everyone else
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who knows like this is a self-selecting
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among tech nerds but this is the New
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it's not entirely tech nerds and the
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what I want to believe is that it shows
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that Facebook is popular because
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Facebook is popular but you know people
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don't really have that much love for it
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right they're like you have to be on
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Facebook because everyone's on Facebook
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runs on Facebook but not universally
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beloved for whatever reason whether it's
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the software platform itself or the
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things people associate with it or the
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resent the fact that they have to be
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there or whatever you know Microsoft and
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second you know Microsoft is is not on
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the way up I'm effects on the way down
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but it isn't it is in transition so it
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doesn't surprise me transition down
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Amazon third and one third kind of
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would think more people would frame this
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as here's a service that I use all the
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time if I couldn't order from Amazon but
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maybe maybe only tech nerds with more
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money than time water everything on
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Amazon I don't know alphabet assuming
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people knew what the hell that was
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oh I'll bet is third I think people like
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Google I think people like YouTube
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especially YouTube I think people you
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know in the general population don't
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want it they just think of Google is the
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way you search things they don't know
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what the duck taco exists they maybe
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heard the word Bing once googles and
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essential thing everything is googling
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the YouTube was part of it they like I'm
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not giving up YouTube YouTube is
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basically my TV and then Apple most
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good feelings you know people have a lot
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Facebook drop first is just the runaway
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winner and then drop last actually no
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drop last so you go 40% for google and
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32% for apple so two companies with a
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recognizable brain
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Facebook nobody likes them we are
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you don't believe in Dropbox anymore and
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that would have been your first one to
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go if you had the option yeah so a few
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up maybe about a month or two ago now I
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forget exactly when it was about a month
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ago maybe I decided to try a life
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without Dropbox basically I still have
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count but I uninstalled it from all my
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computers and and I stopped using it for
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anything except I logged into the
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website to download the audio files that
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you guys give me every week for this
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podcast and because and there were a
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number of reasons why I wanted to drop
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Dropbox their software on the Mac has
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gotten increasingly invasive of the
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system it does creepy things like trying
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to hack the accessibility database and
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installing kernel extensions and things
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all in the name of features that I don't
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want you know think things like the
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accessibility thing I think was about
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like sucking in photos or something and
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and the kernel extensions are for things
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like their their project infinite file
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system thing that I don't need or want
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and there was there's no like good
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options to just say no please don't do
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this thanks just give me the basic thing
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that uses the supported API in Mac OS to
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do this to stuff that you're doing for
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syncing the folder like that's all I
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really want is a synced folder like
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that's that's all I really wanted this
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thing what you know basically the thing
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it used to be so and so all these
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features I think are like all this stuff
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that I don't want or use that are part
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of Dropbox now let's see what else I can
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get away with and and what I've what
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I've settled on at the moment is I just
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moved everything to iCloud Drive and
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because I already pay for our cloud
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storage for all my photos I already have
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all Apple devices that I'm running this
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on with one important exception which is
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my my server that runs my blog engine
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which I'll get to but for the most part
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is like iCloud Drive should work fine
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for me so let's see how this goes so far
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it's mostly fine but I think I'm gonna
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go back anyway in everyday use
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everything's fine with iCloud Drive I
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even like to make the transition easier
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with some of my muscle memory of like
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running shell scripts in my Dropbox
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folder I I sim linked home slash Dropbox
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to whatever the crazy path is like
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mobile documents left whatever whatever
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the path is the actual iCloud iCloud
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Drive folder on your Mac I sim linked
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home slash Dropbox to that so so I at
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least start you know that everything is
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kind of where I expected to be if I if I
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into like a muscle memory of like you
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know going to Dropbox folder we're
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running a cert from there whatever else
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so that was actually a very easy
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progression as far as I can tell
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doing that has not caused anything
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really weird to happen I do keep running
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out of file descriptors but it's
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probably not really it's probably not
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that I also laugh anyway so so for
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sharing my own files between my
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computers like the basic synced folder
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iCloud Drive has been totally fine for
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me I haven't noticed any kind of weird
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data loss
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everything is always right there when I
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want it one of the interesting things
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about it is because it kind of has like
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infinite background privileges on iOS I
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was out working today out in the world
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on my iPad not something I actually do
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very often but but I was doing it today
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for various reasons number one cellular
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max don't exist but anyway I was doing
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this and I went to the iCloud Drive app
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stuff was there and all the files that I
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worked out that I wanted to access we're
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already there because it is always
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working in the background it is
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privileged it has like apples blessing
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to do whatever it wants so it unlike
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Dropbox which can only work like if I
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had already ever launched it first of
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all and then you know whenever it gets a
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background update but then the system
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controls that and limits it and if I
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never use it it won't really get any so
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it has privileges on Apple platforms
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that Dropbox can't eat can't have I mean
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on the Mac again camera on iOS it can't
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so for the most part for just that
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purpose of sharing your own files
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between your own devices iCloud Drive
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has been totally fine for me the main
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areas that that hurt are number one I
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built my blog engine on Dropbox now I
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don't blog very often anymore and that's
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to change that but one of the main
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problems with this is that now I don't
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have a way to edit my blog except for SS
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aging into my server and using them on
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the in the terminal to edit is their
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best yeah
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which is which is clumsy to say the
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least I could also just switch to a
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regular CMS but you know I'm not going
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to do that
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exactly you know me I know me that's not
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going to happen and so that's yeah so
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that that has been that has been a pain
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and a bigger pain has been our shared
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our shared folder for this show the way
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we do the show is that this is a common
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thing you know like you guys give me
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audio files every week from your
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recording I take them out of the Dropbox
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folder I make a project record it never
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you know sync it all up and edit and
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everything else and publish it we also
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work together on certain files and
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folders within that shared folder so
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when we're doing things like t-shirt
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designs where we're working often with
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shared files in that folder and this is
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an area that as far as I know iCloud
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Drive has nothing to offer that there
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are no as far as I know right there's no
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collaborative iCloud Drive folder
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syncing options and maybe it's everybody
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see maybe they'll change that so maybe I
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should wait but but for the most part as
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far as I know that doesn't exist so
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collaborate with other people and
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working with other people in a shared
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folder I don't that seems like it's I'm
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gonna have to either go without that or
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do what I do now which is just download
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stuff the web interface but that makes
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it it's much less commuting to actually
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like work in the folders with you guys I
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guess one thing if you're if you're just
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giving me files and I just have to
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download them that's fine but if we are
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working together on something where
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we're like we're all kind of editing
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stuff in a folder together the web
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interface is going to suck royally for
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that that I should not be using that so
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basically I'm probably going to go back
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to Dropbox because of those two big
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things of shared folders and it isn't
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just you guys okay I occasionally need
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for other things but it's this show is
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the one that happens most often but so
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basically Dropbox shared folders and the
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blog engine problem now I could install
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another cloud service to do these things
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I could for instance use something like
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whatever the new name is for BitTorrent
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sync was it's rosalie oh yeah I could do
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that there's a bunch of other things
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that are kind of like that you know
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other other various services and
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products that will behave like Dropbox
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so maybe I should
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try some of those first but that's it's
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probably going to be hard to ever
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address the shared folder problem with
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those things because we'll drive will do
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well I found that's on that drive is
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fine I trust Google even less than
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Dropbox I have a terabyte of Google
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Drive stuff and I'm like I'll stop
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paying for that one I don't need it
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anymore but I don't it's nice to have I
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mean I still I still prefer Dropbox but
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Google Drive and onedrive which is not
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as terrible as you think it is speaking
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of someone who has had forcibly
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installed on their Mac at work I don't
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know it's this is the problem I have is
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that all the other options sound worse
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to me like from the ones that are from
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big companies like like Google Drive or
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I think even Amazon has something like
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this and box and boxes where I see right
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about you're right about that so yeah so
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this thing like I think all of these
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things are worse in some way and to
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address the shared folder problem I
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pretty much need to use what everyone
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else around me is using and it around
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our community and around these parts
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that's Dropbox no question like it's
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always Dropbox so I basically have to
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decide like how much am I willing to
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fight Dropbox or two to fight not having
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Dropbox how much is that worth to me
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versus how annoying is it to just have
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it and tolerate its crappy Mac client
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and I'm leaning more towards
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reinstalling it just because it's not
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having it has been a pain in those two
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big areas but we will see I don't have
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made any final decisions yet what do you
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guys think
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didn't you disable the privileged
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accessibility blah blah blah thing I
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just say no every time it boots up and
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it says we'd your password to work
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properly I'm like no you don't I know
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you're lying to me Dropbox so I just say
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no I just cancel every time I reboot but
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it that pisses me off like why should I
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have to say that you should let it it's
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probably dumb enough that you can let it
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install and then modify the thing such
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that the OS will refuse to run them and
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so the check to see that it is
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successfully installed will return true
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but then they'll never actually run and
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you'll get some errors in your console
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like you just chmod the files to because
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it's especially the kernel extension Mac
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OS is super picky about the permissions
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of every single thing having to do with
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the Chrome extension for
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reasons if you just flip on the right
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bit unlike group or other on one file
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the OS will refuse to load it and it
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will just join errorlog and I bet you
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that Dropbox is dumb enough that when it
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tries to see whether it needs to prompt
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you it will just look to see if like a
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file exists and it's not getting down to
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the permission level who knows anyway
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there are possible ways to hack around
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that or you just let it do what it does
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because I let it do what it does I don't
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use the infinite thing I don't think I
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ever will
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Dropbox drop boxes occasionally gets
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flipped out because it tries to drink
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from the fire hose of filesystem events
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yep right and I wish it would drink from
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a smaller firehose of just the
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filesystem events that happen inside the
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Dropbox folder but my impression based
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on the activity of dbfs event D or
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whatever the hell that thing is called
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is that it's flipping out when stuff is
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going on on the filesystem that is not
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inside the Dropbox folder and I wish it
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would just chill out but other than that
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which I can solve by quitting Dropbox
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which by the way is the thing I can't do
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as easily with the iCloud Drive thing I
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prefer and I'm still terrified of iCloud
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drive because of the weird behaviors
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that I've seen with weird the locked
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files that can't be opened or deleted
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anywhere and and no recourse and no
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ability to turn it on and often no way
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to control the indication of download
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state or force things to download no way
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to pin files to my iOS devices I don't
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know if that's even true but I'm
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assuming it is all features that I have
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with Dropbox I just find Dropbox so much
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more tractable because it is a third
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party thing and I am concerned about the
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increasing invasiveness but as long as
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practically speaking it doesn't do
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anything bad to my computer and if I
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need to turn it off I can I'm still
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definitely sticking with that I do have
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Google Drive installed and well note and
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a bunch of other things and occasionally
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I fire up Google Drive and I think it's
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Google Drive is fine I just prefer
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Dropbox for now and and as you said the
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network effect it's the reason you know
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you're using it because everyone else is
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using it is this the way people
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collaborate and that's this difficult
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overcome ok see what should I do I think
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you should take off your tinfoil hat
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you should reinstall Dropbox and and
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when we all get all of our data stolen
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and leaked then you can blame me cool
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thanks for our three sponsors this week
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will see you next week
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now the show is over
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they didn't even mean to begin cuz it
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was accidental oh it was accidental John
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didn't do any research Marco and Casey
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wouldn't let him cuz it was accidental
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it was accidental and you can find the
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show notes today T P dot F M and if
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you're into Twitter you can follow them
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at CAS II WA L is s so that's Casey Liz
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M a are Co AR m auntie Marco Arment and
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I are DC USA Syracuse
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ah so what's the drama with your switch
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scenario at home because we were talking
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the relay chat if it seems as though you
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are in an impossible predicament where
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you would like to buy another switch but
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they're deep penalties for doing so yet
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if you don't buy another switch you will
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never play the switch because Tiff's
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basically is taking it over I thought
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you're gonna talk about him putting the
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little sliding thing on the joique on
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the wrong way well there's that too but
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I was setting up Mario Kart for kids I
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was trying to why you can't have nice
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things yeah why does it go on the wrong
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way if it if it locks it there plus goes
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to plus minus goes to one is matches
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match the shapes I didn't notice that at
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first though in Marcos defense I did
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eventually notice that + + + - - but at
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first I did by well and I wasn't using
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the wrong one for the controller I was
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using the correct one but backwards I
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know but but you didn't you didn't match
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up the symbols they go next to each
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other why does it go on backwards yeah I
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like that you had to resort to a YouTube
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video to get out of it like basically if
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there was no internet you would be at
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home staring at this like you've staring
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at your broken toy being like do you
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want to rethink your ordering from
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earlier now no I hey oh yeah I really
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was about to get a screwdriver and start
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disassembling it to try to get this
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thing off because like I remember I
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forget which one they were like two or
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samsung phones ago where like if you put
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the stylus in the slot the wrong way it
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would just it would just get stuck in
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there forever like why like why is the
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switch design in such a way that you can
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so easily attach these two very commonly
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attached parts in the wrong direction
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and when you do it gets stuck really
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hard I think the switch hardware is not
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Nintendo like in so many ways that it is
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yeah delicate and fragile and you can
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easily do the wrong thing and like it is
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it is weirdly non it's not like Nintendo
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doesn't have a history of making
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portable devices just look at the huge
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history of portal devices and almost all
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of them are rugged to the point of
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fisher-price nests and very difficult to
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do something wrong with like the
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original fire wire connector is
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supposedly was inspired by the Game Boy
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Connect thing of having you know it was
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novel the time connector can only go
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incorrectly one way and they can be
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plugged unplugged lots of times and
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and then the switch comes along and it's
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I mean it kind of started switching to
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it in the Wii U was making stuff glossy
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to try to make it look more sort of pro
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like but like less pressure price like
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let's say for the Wii U and like the Wii
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U pro controller especially the glossy
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black model being the high end and the
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switch is just like what is this a Sony
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device like it looks Sonia shit looks
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like you know a PSP right right down to
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the the the delicate little bits that
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seem like they could break off and the
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ability to put things on backwards it
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should never be possible to do that it
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should be super rugged but you know but
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it is fun to make fun of Margaux for
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doing that but he doesn't follow gaming
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websites oh he doesn't he didn't see the
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8,000 stories when the switch was
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launched about putting those things on
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backwards
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yeah you're right exactly so I just did
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it tonight as I was trying to set up
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these controllers for two kids to play
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Mario Kart with us and yeah it was it
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was tough anyway but besides that I am
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greatly enjoying the switch because now
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Mario Cart came out and I'm having so
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much fun with this suction credibly fun
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game and if you are the kind of video
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game person who has already played it on
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the Wii U like John it's not much new
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for you 60 frames per second but as
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somebody who hasn't played Mario Kart
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since the Nintendo 64 version hey buddy
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right it is so much fun and so I really
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am quite enjoying this and it really
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literally is fun for the whole family
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we like now Adams playing and and like
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other the auto-steer or like the kind of
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bumper cars version of it that jon was
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complaining about last week is indeed a
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problem when adults are playing and you
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don't realize little antennas in the
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back of their car but the the
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combination of that and the automatic
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acceleration is awesome for having small
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children play because they can play with
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the whole family and not be too too far
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behind not get themselves stuck and have
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to try to show them how to reverse and
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like it's it's really nice and and in
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addition to it just being a really fun
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you know mario kart racing game for for
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adults when they're playing it in like
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the normal or hard modes I'm just having
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so much fun with this game the only
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downside
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this game is that I'm going to have to
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buy more Pro controllers probably so
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it's going to cost a lot of money that
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way and also the switch is still mostly
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being dominated by Tiff's and Adam
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playing Zelda as it should be
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and I also thought like you know what it
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like there will be times when I want a
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second switch dock so for instance like
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when we go to a beach house in the
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summertime or we have a but we have a
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second TV in our in our playroom and
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like so maybe somebody's using the main
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TV but when I'm playing a small screen
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maybe I want to play on it back there
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let me see if I can get a second dog how
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much could it cost 40 bucks nope 90
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bucks another story that if you had read
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the gaming press you would have seen a
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million OVA on around lunchtime or when
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the prices were announced people were
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shocked people also shocked by the way
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with how much the pro controller cost
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yeah yeah that's like 70 right I have to
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them now and it's I pay way too much
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it's like it sounds like and so I
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started doing some research of like you
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know if I want a second doc and it's $90
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and a new switch is only 250 that comes
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with it 300 oh is 300 and it's hard to
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know with the real prices this is the
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jump that Marco makes very quickly $90
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300 they're basically the same
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Ryan years makes no difference well it's
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like it will you know do I need more joy
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kansai I thought I was gonna need one a
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few hours ago because I thought I broke
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one of mine so so I'm like so I started
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adding it's a funcle' actually this
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isn't that ridiculous that maybe we
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should just get a second switch that
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wait if can play Zelda on the main TV
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and I can go in the back room play Mario
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Kart and then I can take one when I
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travel to everybody cientific and stay
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here and play with that on everything
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else so I started asking around with
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friends like John of like how does that
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actually work with like game transfers
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and like I bought this game to digitally
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I don't have cartridge for any of them
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on John's advice which in most cases is
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good and that was the right decision no
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no no the carts won't save you like even
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if you had held on a cart and you
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plugged into the other thing the save
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date is not on the cart so it's not
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helping you right so so basically I'm
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basically running into all of the issues
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of being a Nintendo fan that in tendo
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fans have been yelling about for like 10
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years and I which is that really a part
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of it I was
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out of I was kind of out of the game so
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to speak for all that time and now that
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I come back in from Mario Kart and I'm
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like man wouldn't it be great if I had a
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second system or first first let me just
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get a second HDMI doc Wow that's
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expensive okay let me get a couple more
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controllers my god those are expensive
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01:49:59
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oh well I'd well I bought my games
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digitally let me see if I could just
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download onto a second console wow that
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system kind of sucks it is very limited
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okay how about our save game will that
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transfer nope that won't it's like to
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put all the things again like Nintendo
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fans this is not news to anybody who's
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been a Nintendo fan forever
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but because I haven't been this is this
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is all new to me
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yeah well take issue with one thing John
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just said though that the cart wouldn't
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help it would help in getting the
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software between the two devices I agree
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it will not help in any way shape or
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form with save but it will absolutely
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help with getting the game in between
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the devices quickly and easily without
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it without any sort of fuss well you can
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it can only be activated on one device
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but I bet if you download it onto both
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you could just like activate deactivate
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I don't know I've never tried it in
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theory it might be better but I really
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would not relish the idea of taking
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those tiny little cartridges in and out
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and walking them back and forth from
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even just within your house because talk
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about something that could easily get
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like vacuumed up or eaten by a dumb dog
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or all sorts of other things that can
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happen to a dog's aren't smart then also
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when it comes to things that the shooter
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shouldn't be eating let's say having a
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particularly loves cat poop so you know
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the the the bad tasting Nintendo
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cartridge forget it they also don't chew
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and apparently don't taste things so
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it's like one swallow and it's gone yeah
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I wouldn't relish doing that and I yeah
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I don't know what's worse is the having
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it downloaded on both of them but I only
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active on one versus carrying a cart
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back and forth uh you are way over
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blowing the difficulty of the cartridge
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I have cartridges for both Zelda Mario
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Kart and I have to swap between them
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when I want to play different games and
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you are way way way over blowing how
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difficult it is to keep track of no I'm
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saying if you're walking across the
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house like which room is it in from one
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for one side to the other and just wait
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until Declan d-twah knows gardening I
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think you're making a mountain out of a
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mole my house isn't that big
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no the transfer between the two places
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means you're not sure which location it
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is which means you're not sure
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this period which means you can get lost
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they're very tiny I mean if it was an
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n64 Kart you'd be okay but these are not
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64 cards
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fair enough yeah I don't know I I will
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say though that I've been deeply
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enjoying both Mario Kart and Zelda and
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much to my own surprise I have I have
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almost as much time in Mario Kart as I
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do in Zelda and I think that comes back
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to what I believe I was saying on this
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show might have been analog that I just
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find it much easier to just kind of pick
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up Mario Kart and play where to me yeah
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we were talking about on the show where
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Danny Zelda's not quite so simple
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because I am not good at video games and
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so I need the context you don't have
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what it takes to save Hyrule's where
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you're getting it probably just to go
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the world just gonna go unsaved yeah
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that's correct you're gonna say well it
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seems like a lot of work to save the
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world when I just go run in circles few
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times in this kart racing game right
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yeah to me as somebody who's only
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watched Zelda and not actually played it
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because I I really am NOT into that kind
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of game at all to me it's like sitting
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down for watching an epic film versus
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like watching a quick youtube video for
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fun but like I said this Zelda is the is
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incredibly easy to pick up and do a
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small amount of things I don't think
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you'll actually ever finish the game by
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sitting them in small amount of things
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but it is it doesn't force you to say
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I'm going to do the next dungeon like
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the old Zelda games that you can do a
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very small amount of things pick up at
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any time do a little thing and stop and
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the way it this is one thing that and
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kind of has actually finally gotten
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right the way you can put the system to
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sleep and it wakes back up and you're
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like literally back at the exact second
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you put it to sleep it sounds like you
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something you would take for granted but
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it is taking in 10 - this long to
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successfully do that that makes it so
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much easier to take up I mean even just
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for me like I will pick up the switch
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this is the main time of using portable
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mode like and do my amiibo random reward
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thing because it's just easy to do
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turned on I'm exactly where I left off
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hit a button hit the little NFC thing
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open up my chest see what I got put it
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back to sleep there's no way I would do
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that if I had to boot it up or load a
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game or wait for a long turning on
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sequence or something like that and
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again it sounds like stuff you should
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take for granted the other modern
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consoles have done forever but now
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Nintendo is find in that aspect we're
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just still waiting for them to
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understand how the hell this crazy
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online thing works
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because they haven't figured it out yet
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do you guys have your switches nearby by
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chance no it's in the other room oh you
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what are you to play now no I would
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never do that to hone your games Tony CC
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comes Auto unlocked in this right yeah
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everything almost everything is unlocked
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from the start like all the tracks as
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far as I know right it's too easy all
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the characters the only the only things
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like some of the tires and stuff you
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need to unlock yeah although that is
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disappointing I've I haven't spent
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enough time in it unlock oh my favorite
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write the card I usually uses the f01
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they have like a little at zero low yeah
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I have that one the Blue Falcon I think
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yeah some other ones I like and I think
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I haven't unlocked it yet but no in the
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original Marik car that you had to
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slowly unlock things and a lot of the
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things were DLC like a lot of the
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additional tracks but this is all the
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DLC and everything unlocked except for
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some of the card stuff and 200 cc 200
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didn't even exist in America it for a
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long time that was think part of a DLC
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pack 150 was stopped so I three start
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all of 150 and 200 cc came out and I was
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like now I'm not doing that
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but I've three start a couple of them
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and 200 cc I don't think I'm going to do
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all them I love one of my favorite
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things about Mario Kart as somebody who
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was out of it for so long is that if you
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are familiar with the Nintendo 64
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version and its mechanics and the way
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the vehicles handle and the controls and
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how you you know how the weapons handle
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how you like can hold on to stuff behind
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you and how you do the jump and skid
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thing and how you can hold the skid and
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everything I was like all of that muscle
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memory translates perfectly like
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everything still handles pretty much the
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exact same way it still feels like that
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game and so you're able to others I was
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able to jump in and and pretty much know
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how to play immediately and actually I
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can say the same thing for for Tiff's
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and for some of our friends who have
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played it like everyone I've seen pick
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up this game has just immediately gotten
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it because we all played the n64 version
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back in the day and it just it's it it
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handles the same way like it's it's our
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it's new but familiar it doesn't handle
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the same way
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it totally does by any stretch of the
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imagination no I mean like it is is the
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same conceptually but like Bert yeah I
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don't know you need to be a very car
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connoisseur but America's handling it's
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so unlike the n64 one
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which is in turn is unlike a double -
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maybe the closest you could say is the
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America it is a little bit like the Wii
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version but I I find the handling very
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very different shockingly different
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between those different versions of
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Mario Kart so much so that it's almost
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hard to believe that it the same game
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you know that they have like the same
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graphics everything you write the
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concepts are all the same the things
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you're doing it more or less the same
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but marikar day is a nice compromise
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between well I don't know it double - is
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my favorite in terms of handling that's
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how I wish all of them handled the Wii
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version was a little bit floaty the n64
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version was a little imprecise and yet
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sprites going on there so it was a
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little bit of mess and there was a lot
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of hopping so it was very different
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there's no hopping just remember in its
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n64 hopping no hopping and eggless right
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but yeah Mario Kart 8 doesn't feel slow
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to use the Wii version it's not as
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snappy and precise as double - but I it
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is a nice compromise it it's like all
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round in the middle like nicely
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I don't nicely round it handling but it
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doesn't it doesn't feel as precise to me
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in terms of the racing as much as my
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favorites my only complaint about it is
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that when I first started playing it I
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was able to immediately figure out how
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to handle the cars and everything but I
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had a lot of trouble figuring out like
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you know what all these different tires
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do and what are the different air foils
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do and what is the deal with that
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because I still haven't really figured
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that out well so well and and also I
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didn't even realize like what what are
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the coins for like what are they what a
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coins do and like there's so much done
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so much help with it with your game
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right and so what so I don't want to
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just search for because the first thing
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I want to know is like what are the
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actual like weight classes of these
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characters that I don't recognize
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oh wait classes that's not how it works
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