The Incomparable

352: Hold My Space Beer

 

  the Intolerable number 352 May 2017 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable very special episode we're [TS]

  going to break from our tradition of not [TS]

  talking about new release films to talk [TS]

  about a new release film that's right [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy vol 2 we're [TS]

  gonna talk about it I've seen at one [TS]

  time I didn't take notes because I was [TS]

  watching a movie in the movie theater [TS]

  but we're still gonna talk about it with [TS]

  these fine people helene Wecker is back [TS]

  hello hi it wasn't Zardoz no it was not [TS]

  sorry office that was the last thing we [TS]

  inflicted on you so you know it wasn't [TS]

  Zardoz kelly camonte is also here hi [TS]

  Kelly [TS]

  hi I'm really excited to be here and get [TS]

  to talk about this yay David J Laura's [TS]

  here as he is contractually obligated to [TS]

  be I think hi David hi so trash Panda is [TS]

  that bad is that good I'm just cuz you [TS]

  know I get that it's bad and and chips [TS]

  uttereth is here chip saw the movie [TS]

  twice because he is a professional hi [TS]

  chip chains keep us together Jason mmm I [TS]

  thought you saw it three times once [TS]

  twice three times but I saw the ending [TS]

  of the movie once Wow well you did you [TS]

  did your work you did your research I [TS]

  think that's the important thing does it [TS]

  you did your research so uh guardians [TS]

  the galaxy vol 2 hot on the heels of [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy the original [TS]

  volume 1 now retcon that um it was uh [TS]

  you know guardians the galaxy the [TS]

  original was one of the things about it [TS]

  that I think appealed to a lot of people [TS]

  is that it was a very different feeling [TS]

  movie than what one might expect from a [TS]

  Marvel Comics blockbuster and right I [TS]

  mean it was like it didn't it didn't do [TS]

  much tying in it had the wacky [TS]

  soundtrack it was more kind of a fun [TS]

  funny adventure and I feel like volume 2 [TS]

  was very much informed by that like [TS]

  let's lean into that let's do sort of [TS]

  everything we did the last time [TS]

  but a little bit more and a little bit [TS]

  further the sound about right that would [TS]

  everybody get that sense it's guardians [TS]

  of the galaxy in volume let's not make [TS]

  it ardian harder that's how they save [TS]

  money [TS]

  now volume going up in volume yeah the [TS]

  Marvel movies up to that point they had [TS]

  their light moments uh but guardians the [TS]

  galaxy the original was just fun just [TS]

  big fun I know some people who didn't [TS]

  just embrace it wholeheartedly the way I [TS]

  did it was it was like my favorite [TS]

  Marvel movie and just magical and fun [TS]

  and Star Wars II and stuff and I really [TS]

  do think that they saw the things that [TS]

  worked about guardians of the galaxy and [TS]

  leaned in hard for this one oh yeah and [TS]

  I mean I'm I'm right there with you know [TS]

  shocked it's my favorite Marvel movie [TS]

  because it's just fun and you know I saw [TS]

  a lot of reviews of this one before I [TS]

  saw it that we're like oh well you know [TS]

  it does what the first one did and the [TS]

  first one was surprising and this one [TS]

  was fine but you know you can't you [TS]

  can't do surprise twice so they did [TS]

  whatever and and so they were a little [TS]

  grumpy they were a little you know muted [TS]

  and I came out of this one all you know [TS]

  me and the boys saw it together we loved [TS]

  it we all three of us liked it better [TS]

  than the first one and and the thing [TS]

  about both of them that I think the [TS]

  reason we love them more than most of [TS]

  the Marvel movies to carry on a running [TS]

  joke is also location location location [TS]

  it's very far away from anything else [TS]

  yeah that's totally true one of the [TS]

  things I enjoyed about it when I watched [TS]

  it was to me it didn't feel like the [TS]

  same movie again it just right like they [TS]

  knew the moments that worked in the [TS]

  first one and sort of like the mix that [TS]

  they needed in order for the chemistry [TS]

  to happen and so then that's what they [TS]

  that's the parts that they sort of made [TS]

  like they didn't shoot the same movie a [TS]

  second time and like that was sort of [TS]

  the impression I got from reading some [TS]

  of those same reviews was that people [TS]

  were like not into it and I'm like you [TS]

  know not everybody goes to a Marvel [TS]

  movie for Kenneth Branagh like some [TS]

  people go to a movie for something like [TS]

  this [TS]

  I said not everybody they may not be [TS]

  everybody well he only direct Thor so [TS]

  after that he got involved but yeah [TS]

  but like I I get very much it very much [TS]

  feels to me like some of those people's [TS]

  expectations weren't managed it feels [TS]

  like these are the same people who [TS]

  wanted so much more out of say the [TS]

  Charlie's Angels movie than they got and [TS]

  all I can say to those people is you [TS]

  know what it's based on like manage [TS]

  those expectations you have to go in to [TS]

  me this felt like the first sort of [TS]

  summer movie I guess with the air quotes [TS]

  that you can totally see on a podcast [TS]

  um that I've seen in a long time [TS]

  primarily because it was late and fun [TS]

  and like there was there were touching [TS]

  moments there were some things that that [TS]

  totally made me extra happy that I'm [TS]

  sure we'll get into later but for the [TS]

  most part I just I went in and I had [TS]

  popcorn out of a baby group popcorn come [TS]

  here and had a great time and when I [TS]

  came out I felt better than I had when I [TS]

  went in and you know I had been [TS]

  completely entertained for those couple [TS]

  of hours and it seemed like it was fun [TS]

  and so it was I really enjoyed it it [TS]

  looked beautiful it sounded beautiful [TS]

  the actors all did an amazing job of [TS]

  their performances and you know like [TS]

  none of the CG stuff was super [TS]

  noticeable to me which was one of my [TS]

  hang-ups with rogue one so I was into it [TS]

  I was there I was like totally with it [TS]

  the whole time and had a blast [TS]

  I'll be the the person who is more in [TS]

  tune with the the critics blasphemer I'm [TS]

  sorry sorry um I felt like this movie [TS]

  just was much more aware of itself than [TS]

  the first one the first one was such a [TS]

  startling sort of Revelation and the it [TS]

  to me that I went in and I was like I [TS]

  didn't expect that in the least and this [TS]

  one and I know that that's part of you [TS]

  know the first movie and then you know [TS]

  sequel itís the the it's it's part of [TS]

  what you have to sort of deal with but [TS]

  even sort of taking that into account [TS]

  it was it wore itself much more heavily [TS]

  than the first one if that makes sense [TS]

  it will you could see the MA [TS]

  tools and the sinews and the strings [TS]

  moving in a way that I felt like I [TS]

  couldn't with the first and maybe that [TS]

  part of that was that the cast of [TS]

  characters was a little larger and you [TS]

  had to deal with more people sort of [TS]

  running around and and being separated [TS]

  from each other and not not to say that [TS]

  I didn't like it because I really did [TS]

  like it but I didn't leave with a song [TS]

  in my heart that I did with the first [TS]

  one and of course that's impossible [TS]

  sometimes to duplicate so so even though [TS]

  I I don't want to be the debbie downer [TS]

  but I was like this one was a good movie [TS]

  but I didn't have the oh my god I want [TS]

  to go buy a ticket and see that again [TS]

  way the reaction that I did with the [TS]

  first one yeah I it's funny I think I'm [TS]

  more with Helene here but although my [TS]

  experience with the first movie I liked [TS]

  it in the theater and every time I've [TS]

  seen it since then I've actually liked [TS]

  it more so I don't know how I'm gonna [TS]

  feel about this one because I felt I [TS]

  also liked it I appreciated it I did not [TS]

  come out thinking it was the most [TS]

  amazing movie ever but it may grow on me [TS]

  I do agree I think one of the problems [TS]

  with with replicating the success of [TS]

  that movie is that it the original is [TS]

  that it was a surprise and now we're you [TS]

  know it was a surprise departure from [TS]

  the tone of a Marvel movie and of course [TS]

  with the cosmic setting it it was a [TS]

  surprise and the surprise was part of [TS]

  the fun and this movie is not a surprise [TS]

  this movie is what it said on the tin it [TS]

  is repair it's not it can't replicate [TS]

  the surprise but it can replicate the [TS]

  feelings and that's what it tries to do [TS]

  and I think it does a pretty good job [TS]

  although there are aspects you know [TS]

  James Gunn who wrote and directed this [TS]

  movie you know he has his ideas about [TS]

  what a guardians of the galaxy movie [TS]

  should be and you always have to ask [TS]

  like is his idea of what a successful [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy movie the same [TS]

  as mine or yours or any other viewers [TS]

  and the one thing that I'm trying to [TS]

  figure out what struck me weird about [TS]

  this movie and I think one of them is [TS]

  that the original felt a little bit more [TS]

  like a travelogue of this weird space [TS]

  world and if you think about it what [TS]

  happens very early on is [TS]

  movie is that Peter and Gomorrah and [TS]

  Drax go meet ego and go to his planet [TS]

  and they don't leave until the end of [TS]

  the movie so they don't you know it's [TS]

  not not much of a travelogue the other [TS]

  characters go to like one other location [TS]

  but basically that part of it is not [TS]

  part of what this movie is this movie is [TS]

  really about the characters and this [TS]

  very specific set of interactions and [TS]

  decend discoveries right like self [TS]

  discoveries and and secrets that are [TS]

  uncovered and again I enjoyed it a lot [TS]

  and it might end up really growing on me [TS]

  in multiple viewings like the last one [TS]

  did but it did feel a little bit [TS]

  different like instead of having a pinch [TS]

  of all of those different things it had [TS]

  like a cup of all of those different [TS]

  ingredients and it's that's good [TS]

  on one level but it's not the same and [TS]

  it's hard to replicate that experience [TS]

  and and the thing that did bother me [TS]

  about this one is that the the section [TS]

  of the movie with with Peter and [TS]

  Gomorrah and Drax with Eko a lot of that [TS]

  is a lot of waiting and it's very [TS]

  passive and it's oh here's this [TS]

  wonderful place and you're kind of [TS]

  waiting for the shoe to drop but they're [TS]

  not really doing anything I felt like [TS]

  they were gonna go somewhere else that [TS]

  was actually a thing that I had in the [TS]

  middle of the movie where it sags and I [TS]

  guess again I don't want to be that [TS]

  person who's like no I have no I have no [TS]

  patience I just want more explosions I [TS]

  don't want to be that person right at [TS]

  the same time in the middle of this [TS]

  movie I was like at that moment where I [TS]

  was like oh you know they're not going [TS]

  to go anywhere else like I kept waiting [TS]

  for there to be a revelation and then [TS]

  they have to go somewhere and all that [TS]

  it's like nope they're not this is the [TS]

  movie they're just gonna be on this [TS]

  planet the whole rest of the movie so [TS]

  when I first when I first saw the movie [TS]

  my the first attempt I made to see the [TS]

  movie 2/3 the way into the movie a minor [TS]

  emergency happens and I have to leave [TS]

  the film so right when Peter Quill's [TS]

  eyes go all starfield nieces who can see [TS]

  eternity that's when I had the lead [TS]

  oh it's lying just because so so nothing [TS]

  happened after that it's funny [TS]

  exactly he just played catch with his [TS]

  dad and everybody had a good time I went [TS]

  on a pantheism Cat Stevens as I was [TS]

  outside the theater stewing and [TS]

  complaining and grumping I'm also [TS]

  replaying the movie in my head and it [TS]

  felt like a series of episodes of the [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy TV series yeah [TS]

  is a soap opera and it and I didn't feel [TS]

  super Salafists that is better that is [TS]

  exactly what I have here in my notes [TS]

  this felt to me like the second season [TS]

  of the guardians of the galaxy TV series [TS]

  compressed into movie life that it was [TS]

  it had those beats to it and maybe this [TS]

  is like a result of TV becoming more [TS]

  cinematic and and and how some of the [TS]

  you know what the difference now being [TS]

  mainly just length but it was like you [TS]

  could almost see where okay this is the [TS]

  first episode this is the second episode [TS]

  this is where this part is going to come [TS]

  back and now we've got the lull this is [TS]

  the mid-season low where everyone sort [TS]

  of sits around and waits for other [TS]

  things can happen off screen and then [TS]

  you know it and maybe maybe part of that [TS]

  is because of the Marvel Cinematic [TS]

  Universe process where it's like you [TS]

  know these characters are going to get [TS]

  used again and again and again so you [TS]

  can't have too much happen to them you [TS]

  can't make too many drastic changes that [TS]

  all you've got are like these sort of [TS]

  character beats and these small changes [TS]

  but I really did and I felt like that [TS]

  was part of the reason why by the end of [TS]

  the movie I felt pretty much the same as [TS]

  I had at the beginning of the movie [TS]

  about these characters was that we had [TS]

  gone through a thing and now we're back [TS]

  again and everyone's had a hug and a cry [TS]

  and now you know season break and then [TS]

  we're going to go on you know next year [TS]

  to something else hmm I see when in that [TS]

  big SAG in the middle when mantas is [TS]

  about to tell Drax there's something [TS]

  weird going on and then they don't [TS]

  follow through on it then it's like you [TS]

  know 25 minutes later oh there's that [TS]

  thing she was going to tell you [TS]

  it's like no no no no you don't don't [TS]

  wait oh so it was like something almost [TS]

  happens and that but you know for all [TS]

  that I and I think what worked for us [TS]

  was the characters it wasn't so much the [TS]

  plot although I you know I liked I think [TS]

  I liked the plot of this one better than [TS]

  the first one I don't know that I liked [TS]

  the execution of the plot better but I [TS]

  thought it was a little more interesting [TS]

  but it was the the characters developed [TS]

  a little bit more I think from this one [TS]

  than in the first one in the first one [TS]

  it's like here's a raccoon he's a [TS]

  wisecracking raccoon here's a tree you [TS]

  know it and this one allows them all to [TS]

  sort of do slightly different things [TS]

  yeah the first one's a travelogue the [TS]

  set right the second was a character [TS]

  study it did great with with with such a [TS]

  lean in on the family theme that and and [TS]

  this is this is this movie is all about [TS]

  family and it gets super sentimental [TS]

  about that in the end and it's either [TS]

  going to hit you or it's not depending [TS]

  on depending on your appetite for [TS]

  character driven stuff and fruit [TS]

  sentimentality I suppose well and I'm a [TS]

  sentimental person I totally am I have [TS]

  to put that out there and also this [TS]

  worked for me because one of the points [TS]

  that it tries to drive home you know is [TS]

  that family a you know the definition of [TS]

  family is up to you whoever you are [TS]

  your family is yeah is is partly up to [TS]

  you there's chosen family and then [TS]

  there's like the people you are related [TS]

  to and sometimes the ones you consider [TS]

  your family and keep close and really [TS]

  care about you know aren't necessarily [TS]

  people who are genetically related to [TS]

  you and I'm an adopted kid and I have [TS]

  divorced parents who remarried other [TS]

  people so my definition of family has [TS]

  always been flexible so anytime anybody [TS]

  else sort of gets into that realm and [TS]

  sort of normalizes that and makes it [TS]

  okay that I have this other definition [TS]

  of these people in my life who I care [TS]

  about and love and and they are my [TS]

  family and you know a blood test isn't [TS]

  going to tell you that I'm always really [TS]

  pleased to see that in a movie and I'm [TS]

  also a complete [TS]

  marshmallow so anytime I get something [TS]

  sentimental like that as a bonus like [TS]

  the whole thing with with yondu made me [TS]

  so happy yeah it's it's also fair I'd [TS]

  say I think it's fair play if somebody [TS]

  comes out of this movie going what the [TS]

  heck was that all about [TS]

  I would recommend that they look at the [TS]

  first scene of the original movie I mean [TS]

  it is about yep [TS]

  Peter's mom dying and him getting that [TS]

  mean the cassette tape and with the old [TS]

  music that's not just there I mean it is [TS]

  there to set the tone for the movie if [TS]

  you want to take the outside the I guess [TS]

  that's the dualist perspective my god I [TS]

  can't believe I'm go in here but right [TS]

  but from the internal logic he watt Sony [TS]

  in the internal logic perspective of the [TS]

  movie I mean what that is about is about [TS]

  Peter and his mom and that she's picked [TS]

  this music that she loves from the 70s [TS]

  even though he's a kid in the 80s and [TS]

  and that's what that's what that's all [TS]

  about from the first scene where she [TS]

  dies and he runs away with the stuff and [TS]

  then is kidnapped by yondu and then it [TS]

  all get you know it's this movie is kind [TS]

  of paying off Peter story but totally [TS]

  fair play like this this movie is not [TS]

  diverging from like the themes of the [TS]

  previous movie in any way I think it's [TS]

  completely fair in doing that I just and [TS]

  I love that part of it I like the aspect [TS]

  I feel like I'm something else we can [TS]

  throw in here I feel like the [TS]

  relationship between Gamora [TS]

  and nebula is more interesting than in [TS]

  the last movie yes and you know much [TS]

  right and the sisters and they don't get [TS]

  along because their data stano's what [TS]

  you're going to do but I felt like there [TS]

  could have been even more there that I [TS]

  was a little disappointed that there [TS]

  wasn't more but I was happy that it was [TS]

  more than the last movie and that adds [TS]

  to the the piling on of the family stuff [TS]

  I have to admit though the thing that [TS]

  maybe struck me wrong and it also [TS]

  explains the SAG in the middle of the [TS]

  movie is like Kurt Russell shows up and [TS]

  he's Peter's great god dad and they play [TS]

  ball they play catch and stuff like that [TS]

  and he has a planet that is paradise and [TS]

  he takes them back there and you know I [TS]

  don't know I kind of expected something [TS]

  like I expected that movie to play with [TS]

  me a little bit right because it's so [TS]

  clear from the beginning that where this [TS]

  story is going which is not going to be [TS]

  all yeah right he's not gonna be all he [TS]

  seems and there's gonna be something bad [TS]

  and it's gonna have to be resolved but [TS]

  it turns out that he's not the guy that [TS]

  Peter thinks he is [TS]

  all of that right like going in first [TS]

  scene you're like alright I know where [TS]

  this is going and unfortunately that's [TS]

  all it did that is exactly where I wait [TS]

  that's it what they do is instead of [TS]

  play with it or string it along in an [TS]

  interesting way they just cut away to [TS]

  rocket and yondu right which is way more [TS]

  interesting I think that was maybe at [TS]

  the heart of it one of my main the main [TS]

  reasons I was sort of a little [TS]

  disappointed coming out of the movie was [TS]

  that Peter quill was such the heart and [TS]

  soul of the first movie and I you know [TS]

  there's so many arrested man children in [TS]

  in cinema in modern cinema and if you [TS]

  want to take like the ultimate arrested [TS]

  man child and give him the best reason [TS]

  possible for being that arrested man [TS]

  child it is Peter quill it is that [TS]

  literally he was stolen from Earth on [TS]

  the night of his mother's death when he [TS]

  was a kid and in so many ways he is [TS]

  still back there at the hospital bedside [TS]

  with his mom and that just informed the [TS]

  entire first movie it was the reason why [TS]

  he risked his life to go back and get [TS]

  the Walkman and all of those sort of [TS]

  character beats that I felt like this [TS]

  movie sort of sold him short he spends a [TS]

  lot of time standing around looking at [TS]

  Kurt Russell's giant dioramas of himself [TS]

  and you know sort of getting faded [TS]

  information Ramage oh very look sort of [TS]

  plastic extruded looking things of [TS]

  himself yeah it was very 3d printed but [TS]

  it got weird yes it like I really hope [TS]

  he has like that Kurt Russell ego has [TS]

  like the giant Hall of dioramas of [TS]

  himself there all the time and it's not [TS]

  just for when his son comes to visit it [TS]

  it's like if you just sort of wanders [TS]

  through them looking at them every once [TS]

  in a while going yep I did that was a [TS]

  good one there's a separate hole that's [TS]

  just Kurt Russell films it's awesome I [TS]

  imagine there's like a Mount Rushmore [TS]

  that's just a bunch of ego heads and [TS]

  then there's a Hall of oil paintings [TS]

  that's all just paintings of ego and the [TS]

  like that's just the whole planet is [TS]

  just entirely two millennia it's a giant [TS]

  doll museum it's Mount Russell more and [TS]

  it would have been funny funnier to have [TS]

  it right I mean a like you could play [TS]

  you could play into it and haven't blown [TS]

  ago geez and then have Peter realized [TS]

  well no he's more nuanced than that and [TS]

  then find out no he's really not that [TS]

  but they don't do that either he's just [TS]

  like ego is I would say and I wasn't [TS]

  solving a mystery here ego is exactly [TS]

  what I expect him to be in the grand [TS]

  sense of being a disappointing dad and [TS]

  so and you're right [TS]

  Helene its sidelines Peter quill for a [TS]

  large portion the movie he is defanged [TS]

  and not interesting and not doing [TS]

  anything he's just sort of standing [TS]

  around saying whoa a lot yeah not only [TS]

  is he passive because of Kurt Russell [TS]

  he's passive because of Gamora you made [TS]

  me come here you made me listen to him [TS]

  now you want me to leave there's no [TS]

  there's no real choice on his part it's [TS]

  very odd and I get the argument that [TS]

  maybe Peter quill is the emotional [TS]

  center of guardians of the galaxy but [TS]

  he's not as outsized a personality as [TS]

  some of the other characters and so [TS]

  maybe that's James Gunn's decision like [TS]

  I'm going to give Peter this this [TS]

  emotional arc and outside of it I'm [TS]

  going to have some shenanigans with [TS]

  these other other characters that are [TS]

  going to be the more action and more [TS]

  kind of zany jokey material I get that [TS]

  it's just but I you know I think Peters [TS]

  more than just the emotional Center [TS]

  right I mean he's also a funny character [TS]

  Chris Pratt is a very talented actor and [TS]

  and so that's because I mean to take a [TS]

  step away from Peter and ego for a [TS]

  minute like we do have there's there is [TS]

  so much great so we get baby Groot for [TS]

  this entire movie until the end credits [TS]

  uh and he made the movie uh and boy you [TS]

  know I I feel like that was the moment [TS]

  where somebody had a funny idea to put [TS]

  baby Groot in the credits to show write [TS]

  that show the group didn't die or at [TS]

  least the part of Groot survived and is [TS]

  now going to be baby Groot and dances in [TS]

  the credits of the first movie right and [TS]

  then you come to this movie like what [TS]

  are we gonna do with Groot it's like [TS]

  we're gonna just do baby group baby [TS]

  Groot was so great can we can we sustain [TS]

  that for a whole movie the answers yeah [TS]

  yeah you can yeah it's a it's amazing [TS]

  it's a one hell of a calculated move [TS]

  but yes you can but it totally works and [TS]

  then at the very end we see grumpy [TS]

  teenage Groot but and that brings me to [TS]

  not only before we go into the other [TS]

  characters like baby Groot baby Groot is [TS]

  really great throughout but that opening [TS]

  sequence is one of the I want to say [TS]

  it's the best opening sequence in a [TS]

  movie I've seen since Watchmen in that [TS]

  the way the the confidence the way that [TS]

  it's shot where it is just being Groot [TS]

  and we basically stay on baby Groot and [TS]

  as an entire huge sci-fi battle happens [TS]

  behind him out of focus and off screen [TS]

  and with sound effects and I love the [TS]

  it's so great and so clever yeah to do [TS]

  it that way and it's not like you can't [TS]

  see it it's not like they were saving [TS]

  money like it's still very expressive to [TS]

  render space octopus monsters but what [TS]

  what a choice to do it and I mean the [TS]

  movie kind of won my heart right there [TS]

  that we have baby the adventures of baby [TS]

  group who just wants to dance you say [TS]

  the opening scene of the first one is [TS]

  kind of the the mission statement of the [TS]

  whole thing this scene is kind of the [TS]

  mission statement of this it's saying [TS]

  you know here's all this action this is [TS]

  all still here you're not going to miss [TS]

  anything but we're focusing on the [TS]

  character we're focusing on yeah that's [TS]

  this it is that explicit as now yeah [TS]

  and it's a hell of a dance remember the [TS]

  third the third time I saw it it was in [TS]

  3d and the the 3d actually really really [TS]

  really pops enjoys chip I want to know [TS]

  why you had to see this three times you [TS]

  told us about the first one what [TS]

  happened a second time second time was [TS]

  actually sitting through the whole thing [TS]

  because dammit I wanted to see how it [TS]

  ended and then the third time was hey [TS]

  I'm going to be on the incomparable ah [TS]

  okay but he had to leave to get back for [TS]

  the podcast right although this time [TS]

  Rockets handing yondu the spacesuit in [TS]

  the jet pack and I'm like I know what's [TS]

  coming [TS]

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  the incomparable so baby Groot like [TS]

  total total triumph right I mean it's [TS]

  like how do you replace Groot such a [TS]

  wonderful character can you can this [TS]

  baby Groot version do it and you know [TS]

  he's unreliable even more unreliable [TS]

  than Groot Groot was already let's let's [TS]

  not whitewash it Groot was not reliable [TS]

  but baby Groot is really not reliable [TS]

  the who note that but leaks the whole [TS]

  extend and immediately I need you to [TS]

  steal this thing I need you to steal [TS]

  this thing from my bedside stand right [TS]

  it's just I it's in there I need you to [TS]

  get it and I really did enjoy that just [TS]

  went on about 20 seconds too long but I [TS]

  was willing to give it to it because it [TS]

  was baby group being baby Groot he's [TS]

  just so awesome I like the escalation [TS]

  where first he's bringing stuff back and [TS]

  then and then after they do that for a [TS]

  little while then they show him a little [TS]

  bit and then you're like oh geez what's [TS]

  going to happen now but it's just yeah [TS]

  it's in greeting Lee increasingly [TS]

  ludicrous [TS]

  so that was yeah baby Groot what a it's [TS]

  a good [TS]

  decision great is that funny ho yeah oh [TS]

  my god is expression on the show forget [TS]

  it you talk about Michael Rooker just [TS]

  for a minute yeah let's do it [TS]

  oh yeah don't do spectacular I liked him [TS]

  in the first movie a lot and I like that [TS]

  he was back and then they gave him so [TS]

  much more to do in this movie which is [TS]

  which is good because again [TS]

  this is all you should see the movie [TS]

  we're gonna spoil everything here but he [TS]

  dies at the end and it's sad but he was [TS]

  so great in the whole movie that I was [TS]

  happy that we got that much of Michael I [TS]

  mean I like Michael Rooker and [TS]

  everything I loved him in the in the [TS]

  walking dead back when I was watching [TS]

  The Walking Dead and as yondu in the [TS]

  first movie and he is really great in [TS]

  this that kinda steals Days of Thunder [TS]

  it's a good Brad so far I've liked him [TS]

  because he's like your villain that [TS]

  turns out not to be the villain and he [TS]

  plays it really well that he's and we [TS]

  get the revelation that he was really [TS]

  saving Peter by not but not delivering [TS]

  him to his dad which is which is that [TS]

  you know that's such a beautiful turn he [TS]

  wasn't a spell after all that was the [TS]

  line at the end of mostly I was [TS]

  interested because I didn't really [TS]

  remember yondu from the books and so I [TS]

  was curious where they were gonna go [TS]

  with it what it was going to look like [TS]

  and I really liked that he got those [TS]

  super emotional scenes and I really [TS]

  thought it was like I was fascinated as [TS]

  soon as he ended up on the ship with [TS]

  rocket you know how like what's gonna [TS]

  happen here cuz they're both little rays [TS]

  of sunshine this is going to be an [TS]

  interesting trip you know and it was [TS]

  super fun to get to listen to them and [TS]

  one of the things that I loved about all [TS]

  of this was that nobody was sort of [TS]

  making their like serious heartfelt [TS]

  declaration you know it was all stuff [TS]

  that sort of got like flew out of [TS]

  people's mouths before they really [TS]

  thought about it you know like the whole [TS]

  thing with um nebula and Gamora you know [TS]

  was you wanted a sparring-partner and I [TS]

  just wanted a sister you know like whoa [TS]

  that changed their whole dynamic all at [TS]

  once and you know his is a yondu's [TS]

  assessment of rocket as rocket sort of [TS]

  gets more angry like you know yo [TS]

  no me and he's like oh yeah watch this [TS]

  this is exactly why and watching them [TS]

  interact myspace beer look like blurting [TS]

  that stuff out which is like the way [TS]

  that sort of thing happens in life and [TS]

  so watching that go on was just super [TS]

  gratifying to me that we got so much [TS]

  interesting stuff out of him and then [TS]

  when it became clear what was going to [TS]

  happen to him I was very very sad and [TS]

  what made me the saddest was I'm Mary [TS]

  Poppins y'all that was yes that moment [TS]

  that moment was gleeful and I jut like [TS]

  that's what makes guardians the galaxy [TS]

  for me like yondu dies at the end and [TS]

  we're all heartbroken but before that [TS]

  happened I'm Mary Poppins yeah it was [TS]

  amazing and and can we just take a [TS]

  moment for the the scene where they're [TS]

  they're locked away and and baby Groot [TS]

  is going off and bringing the stuff back [TS]

  because when you think about it he's the [TS]

  only human being in that scene anything [TS]

  you buy it you buy it [TS]

  he's yeah beautiful acting against [TS]

  against the computer animation he [TS]

  benefits so much from the reduced role [TS]

  that Chris Pratt's given yes you know [TS]

  he's and he steps up and carries so much [TS]

  more of the movie in terms of you know [TS]

  being fascinating to watch [TS]

  I really wish they hadn't tried to [TS]

  shoehorn in so much backstory for him so [TS]

  quickly in the scene immediately after [TS]

  when when they're in the brothel or [TS]

  whatever it the whole rabbit is the [TS]

  whole ravager this is Sylvester Stallone [TS]

  who I'm judging you it's like okay [TS]

  you're reintroducing us to yondu and [TS]

  this is going to give us sort of the the [TS]

  emotional hook of why he got kicked out [TS]

  of the Reavers that is then going to [TS]

  turn and be in the end of the movie but [TS]

  you're giving it him this opposite [TS]

  Sylvester Stallone and all I'm doing is [TS]

  looking at this movie thinking why is [TS]

  Sylvester Stallone one of those water [TS]

  lines are you making [TS]

  Wester Stallone deliver yeah yeah and [TS]

  then and he's just standing there it's [TS]

  like he doesn't even so let's just want [TS]

  to seem to try to be anyone other than [TS]

  Sylvester Stallone so it's like he's [TS]

  this giant Rambo shaped hole in the [TS]

  movie that is just drawing all of this [TS]

  energy to him and I can't afterwards I [TS]

  was like wait what was he saying to [TS]

  yondu what was the thing with yawn doing [TS]

  kids what was that and then I had to [TS]

  sort of piece it back together after [TS]

  like when they were making back [TS]

  references to it I think it could very [TS]

  easily have been I was you know [TS]

  delivering these kids I figured it out [TS]

  you were the one I saved without all of [TS]

  the guy getting kicked out of the [TS]

  Reavers and and you know sort of [TS]

  reestablishing himself at the funeral [TS]

  and all that just seemed to me to be a [TS]

  lot of unnecessary filler that was [TS]

  surrounding and sort of obscuring the [TS]

  thing that I wanted to see which was [TS]

  just more of yondu being the asshole [TS]

  with a heart of gold that that I think [TS]

  saw on the first one yeah well and [TS]

  filler but yeah and you don't really get [TS]

  it til the end of the movie setting up [TS]

  perhaps something for the next movie [TS]

  which that's a common problem in yeah we [TS]

  gonna you know cuz we're watching it and [TS]

  you know you're watching the opening [TS]

  credits he's he's still Wester Stallone [TS]

  pops up in the opening credits and then [TS]

  he's in the movie for like I don't know [TS]

  three minutes yeah any God why would he [TS]

  get a credit for that and then at the [TS]

  very end you're like oh because he's [TS]

  coming bad and Ving Rhames and Michelle [TS]

  yeah right that were it's like why I [TS]

  don't even realize that that was [TS]

  Michelle Yeoh until I went to DB and I [TS]

  was I think they get mushy Leona's like [TS]

  oh wait a minute [TS]

  oh okay for those who don't know there [TS]

  was originally a Marvel comic called [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy that featured a [TS]

  bunch of heroes from the far future and [TS]

  then they redid guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  with a sect a set up much more like what [TS]

  we have in these movies that that group [TS]

  at the end with Sylvester Stallone and [TS]

  Ving Rhames and Michelle Yeoh and the [TS]

  voice robot voice of Miley Cyrus those [TS]

  are those are intended to be vo [TS]

  regional guardians of the galaxy it take [TS]

  an homage to the original guardians of [TS]

  the galaxy at the end more than it is [TS]

  anything else [TS]

  I didn't that I don't look at him right [TS]

  and the sovereigns and hinting at atom [TS]

  atoms Adam warlock warlock yeah you know [TS]

  it's like that's a lot of stuff they're [TS]

  setting up for the the third I'm not [TS]

  entirely sure other than the Adam [TS]

  warlock thing I don't think they're even [TS]

  I don't think it's even a set up [TS]

  necessarily I think it's like it's just [TS]

  heavy laying on the references and it [TS]

  may be all that there is [TS]

  so maybe okay so uh so rocket in this [TS]

  what what I'm wondering what people feel [TS]

  about how rocket was handled because I [TS]

  feel like he he's a fun character I'm [TS]

  not sure he had a lot further to go [TS]

  emotionally and he so like you know I [TS]

  don't think he had as much work to be [TS]

  done on him to like deep in his [TS]

  character as some of the other [TS]

  characters in the movie so instead he's [TS]

  sort of like paired with yondu and they [TS]

  have a you know I'm just like you we're [TS]

  not we're not that different you and I [TS]

  kind of moments but I appreciated rocket [TS]

  I think he's great but I'm not quite [TS]

  sure how much development he had to have [TS]

  here see I thought I thought he had a [TS]

  lot of development just because you know [TS]

  he starts at you go alright he's still [TS]

  stealing things yeah Steven got her [TS]

  quite it is the whole plot is his fault [TS]

  right and and he's like you know I'm not [TS]

  like you you're not like me come on um [TS]

  but then also not just realizing that [TS]

  yeah alright yondu and I are kind of [TS]

  kind of like and oh wait a minute yonder [TS]

  was actually kind of a good guy uh and [TS]

  and so he sort of sees more of a [TS]

  Redemption as Redemption more as a [TS]

  possibility for himself even if he [TS]

  doesn't necessarily get there at the end [TS]

  of the movie we don't know we'll see [TS]

  yeah I think he'll still be stealing [TS]

  batteries in vol 3 [TS]

  I hope so raccoons they just get a [TS]

  little bad about it I mean you know but [TS]

  yeah III thought I thought he actually [TS]

  had the most interesting development [TS]

  besides yondu I'm not sure that I saw [TS]

  that level of development there I [TS]

  thought that Brad Cooper did a great job [TS]

  as usual with the voice I thought the [TS]

  animation for rocket was phenomenal [TS]

  especially facial there's a scene where [TS]

  he's suddenly [TS]

  he's like stretched out and I was just [TS]

  like man look at that fur like it is [TS]

  just like amazing like how yeah it's [TS]

  amazing where he goes where he goes from [TS]

  the beginning of the movie to the end of [TS]

  the movie I don't see a lot of distance [TS]

  traveled um just he gets he has a moment [TS]

  with yondu and then it's back to smashy [TS]

  smashy yeah well I mean Drac similarly I [TS]

  feel like we got we learned a lot of [TS]

  important things about Drax and his [TS]

  sadness and his tragic backstory in the [TS]

  first movie and in this movie I feel [TS]

  like they're confident enough in Drax [TS]

  and Rocket but with Drax especially like [TS]

  Drax is really funny [TS]

  everything Drax does is funny let's just [TS]

  use Drax to be funny and they do drag [TS]

  his ex Rex is amazing again I love every [TS]

  I wanted more [TS]

  Drax because Drax is so great and so [TS]

  funny with his no subtext always tells [TS]

  the truth [TS]

  and I just I enjoy him so much so again [TS]

  I don't need all these characters to [TS]

  evolve I'm okay with it it was just more [TS]

  Drax but didn't it feel like Drax was a [TS]

  little sudden because when we first meet [TS]

  him you know he's seen some stuff and [TS]

  he's very sort of serious and we don't [TS]

  get a lot of um joy and mirth I guess [TS]

  from him and it seems like in this movie [TS]

  like every time we see him he ends up [TS]

  cracking himself up or something we [TS]

  found he's found his family right his [TS]

  old family died again it's the themes of [TS]

  family right his this is his new family [TS]

  and he's got a home again right but [TS]

  there was never like a nod to that for [TS]

  me and so I'm just like why is he [TS]

  laughing all the time what happened and [TS]

  then like you know they start hitting me [TS]

  over the head with family and you know [TS]

  like I said I'm never going to complain [TS]

  about that but like I had to go back and [TS]

  sort of apply that to Drax later as [TS]

  opposed to him having said something you [TS]

  know cuz he's a blurter as much as he [TS]

  was laughing through the whole movie and [TS]

  he's just sort of there to be funny he [TS]

  also had what for me was one of the most [TS]

  effective emotional beats of the movie [TS]

  which was that when he was just sitting [TS]

  on egos planet looking [TS]

  out over like that this gorgeous Vista [TS]

  and he was you know he mentioned that [TS]

  that he reminded him of something he'd [TS]

  taken his daughter to see and mantas [TS]

  touched him and started crying and he's [TS]

  just standing sitting there with this [TS]

  smile on his face and it was such a [TS]

  sophisticated moment that I was so glad [TS]

  that the movie still trusted its [TS]

  audience enough to know you take that in [TS]

  and appreciate it for what it was [TS]

  because mantis [TS]

  after she after after she sort of breaks [TS]

  down in tears she almost immediately [TS]

  pulls back a little bit and she's sort [TS]

  of sitting there with that sort of sad [TS]

  stoic expression as well and I love what [TS]

  that communicates but mentioning Drax [TS]

  brings me and and mantis brings me to if [TS]

  I have a big problem with guardians the [TS]

  galaxy [TS]

  both this movie and the previous one [TS]

  it's the broadness of the humors hmm and [TS]

  when and part of Bro humor is a certain [TS]

  level of jocular cruelty where you know [TS]

  your trash panda is worse that sort of [TS]

  thing but when the humor is directed at [TS]

  mantis it feels like bullying to me [TS]

  because it's the movie and the [TS]

  characters are making fun of her for [TS]

  being naive and innocent and when that [TS]

  kind of humor is being delivered towards [TS]

  mantis from Drax compared to uh you just [TS]

  need a woman who's pathetic to quill [TS]

  they come across as very very different [TS]

  to me and it makes me feel uncomfortable [TS]

  fair enough yeah yeah I wasn't thrilled [TS]

  with her character she had I liked I saw [TS]

  a couple of critiques that were like oh [TS]

  can we be done with empaths already and [TS]

  I think empaths I think it's still a fun [TS]

  concept especially for moments like the [TS]

  one with with her and Drax where she [TS]

  starts crying [TS]

  but when what was missing was agency it [TS]

  wasn't just that she could you know the [TS]

  fact that you can [TS]

  feel other people's emotions that in [TS]

  itself should make her this sort of [TS]

  helpless sort of wringing her hands all [TS]

  the time character she just she was just [TS]

  there I don't even know why she was [TS]

  there in the end she was there to put he [TS]

  go to sleep I get was it yes that was it [TS]

  yeah no and to explain that his secret [TS]

  when he would wouldn't be ready to [TS]

  reveal it and and and get the plot [TS]

  moving but yeah I agree I it sort of [TS]

  like I felt like I wanted more from her [TS]

  about like who she was and why she was [TS]

  everything she's meant to be an innocent [TS]

  and she's been raised by you know out on [TS]

  this planet essentially on her own and I [TS]

  I I understand that you know the Drax [TS]

  saying that she's hideous didn't bother [TS]

  me because it didn't bother me because [TS]

  it's um first off she's not and it's [TS]

  space and Drax it has very weird very [TS]

  weird standards and I enjoyed the payoff [TS]

  of that which is that he says no no [TS]

  you're beautiful on the inside which I [TS]

  again because it's being consistent [TS]

  Drax's standards of beauty are not the [TS]

  same as other people's and he doesn't [TS]

  have any subtext so I was okay with it [TS]

  especially since she's most clearly not [TS]

  hideous [TS]

  I thought that that was a funny a funny [TS]

  joke at Drax's expense because he what [TS]

  he sees is not but then again I didn't [TS]

  have a problem with the doctor not being [TS]

  able to tell Clara's age for the same [TS]

  reason which is it's an alien creature [TS]

  and where they're they're the butt of [TS]

  the jokes because they don't understand [TS]

  people so I was okay with those how I [TS]

  that was how I took Drax was uh was the [TS]

  same way it didn't feel it felt to me [TS]

  like um he was sort of uh dipping her [TS]

  aunt Anna in the inkwell to kind of you [TS]

  know make that joke like I'm gonna be [TS]

  mean to you because I actually like you [TS]

  and I don't know how to process that um [TS]

  so that was for my god was that a Little [TS]

  House on the Prairie joke it totally was [TS]

  oh wow wow wow [TS]

  that was kinda that was how I took it [TS]

  was like he was just trying to convince [TS]

  her that he didn't like her you know [TS]

  it's that same sort like you know that [TS]

  this dynamic is still going [TS]

  on in grade schools to this very day and [TS]

  I and when he first said it I took him [TS]

  at face value it didn't occur to me that [TS]

  there was any such subterfuge there or [TS]

  anything because I'm like maybe he [TS]

  really doesn't like her because she's [TS]

  like half the size and nowhere near as [TS]

  blue as what he generally prefers you [TS]

  know like I don't know what ladies look [TS]

  like on Drax's planet so I I sort of [TS]

  thought like he was just being honest [TS]

  with her the way he was being honest [TS]

  with Peter you need a woman who is [TS]

  pathetic like you you know I'm okay I [TS]

  guess he's just going to be kind of mean [TS]

  to her as well and for me that was why [TS]

  the payoff of that moment where they [TS]

  were there sitting looking out at the [TS]

  sunset or whatever was their doing um [TS]

  after she touches him and can feel what [TS]

  he's feeling that's why for me that had [TS]

  some payoff because I just felt like he [TS]

  he was letting her because he could have [TS]

  told her no he could have moved away or [TS]

  something and he didn't do it and so it [TS]

  was sort of to me it just felt like [TS]

  maybe they were starting to be friends [TS]

  maybe he was accepting her and then he [TS]

  did give her the pep talk [TS]

  you know you can do this I believe in [TS]

  you and I thought that that was also a [TS]

  really nice moment between the two of [TS]

  them and then the payoff towards the end [TS]

  when he's being buried by ego and tries [TS]

  to save her life and trying to hold her [TS]

  up so they're up and that's great I do [TS]

  still think that the movie is very [TS]

  unkind to mantis I mean it's not oh yeah [TS]

  exes behavior it's yes it's they'll give [TS]

  you that one even in that even in the [TS]

  even in the trailers where they made [TS]

  even a bigger deal of her getting hit by [TS]

  the debris at the end of the trailer and [TS]

  that's played for laughs ya know Drax [TS]

  this thing doesn't bother me but you're [TS]

  right she is she's the butt of many [TS]

  jokes and it's uh yeah it's I agree it's [TS]

  not it's not great yeah yeah um what do [TS]

  people think of the sovereign the gold [TS]

  the gold people this is sort of like I [TS]

  feel like a the next step after the the [TS]

  xandarians in the first movie where I [TS]

  think James Gunn likes to have really [TS]

  kind of highfalutin persnikitty aliens [TS]

  and in this case they're bad well you [TS]

  you have to have Margaret Dumont if you [TS]

  have the Marx Brothers yeah [TS]

  I mean I love I love the sovereigns and [TS]

  they also they play video games all of [TS]

  their fights are viable by a video game [TS]

  which made me laugh a lot but you know [TS]

  they're they're perfect and they will [TS]

  they are they are going to stop them [TS]

  because they stole batteries and and [TS]

  therefore they must die it's a problem [TS]

  though if every time you hire somebody [TS]

  to kill the last people who stole from [TS]

  you and they all steal from you like you [TS]

  you're never gonna get an arrest they [TS]

  were such a device they just slid [TS]

  straight off my brain i I just [TS]

  faceless gold people who are like out [TS]

  there they I found them funny but [TS]

  they're not like they're impervious they [TS]

  they're made to slide I think they may [TS]

  be actually be coated in death lon [TS]

  they're made of gold yeah well space [TS]

  space Teflon they are designed they are [TS]

  they are purely a plot device to create [TS]

  a great complication and that gets [TS]

  everybody to ego eventually um again [TS]

  going back to my first viewing of the [TS]

  movie and having to check out two-thirds [TS]

  the way through I got way more sovereign [TS]

  per capita and and that was not fun [TS]

  because they were just they were just [TS]

  there it was loads of fun watching the [TS]

  arcade scenes first of all the arcade [TS]

  gag is hysterical but second I'm sitting [TS]

  there watching it with my teenage son [TS]

  who is very much an online gamer and and [TS]

  a shouter and a Yeller and a cursor [TS]

  about it and the bit with a bit towards [TS]

  the end where there's the one the one [TS]

  ace pilot left who's trying to take out [TS]

  the Milano and all of the other [TS]

  sovereigns are crowded around him [TS]

  encouraging him on and then he blows up [TS]

  and they say oh you suck my my son just [TS]

  goes yes yes that's called knowing your [TS]

  audience yes [TS]

  what I gotta say I mean I love at the [TS]

  end when they show up partly because [TS]

  that's the best use of the song wham bam [TS]

  shang-a-lang I've heard I love it was [TS]

  just yeah I love the music direction in [TS]

  both of these films when they use the [TS]

  chain with the slow-mo walk [TS]

  yeah normally I'm like I just roll my [TS]

  eyes in the slow-mo walk but I have such [TS]

  a deep and um my affection for the chain [TS]

  is is just it yeah it makes everything [TS]

  else go away so so I was just I was just [TS]

  there for that was like the moment I was [TS]

  like yes yes take me with you in the [TS]

  slow-mo walk as long as long as we're [TS]

  talking about Fleetwood Mac and and and [TS]

  love being the thing that will kill you [TS]

  yes let's just do this I really liked [TS]

  the subtext that Fleetwood Mac brought [TS]

  to them so uh so let's talk a little bit [TS]

  about about Gomorrah and nebula because [TS]

  that's one of the things that I know [TS]

  there was a lot of talk about the these [TS]

  characters in the first film and here [TS]

  they are largely pitted against each [TS]

  other they kind of capture nebula and [TS]

  then she sort of escapes but then she [TS]

  sort of helps them and they get to they [TS]

  get to have a little bit of an emotional [TS]

  I mean again it's a weird relationship [TS]

  because they're both children of Thanos [TS]

  and that you know I've always been [TS]

  unclear on exactly what nebulas deal is [TS]

  she's got replacement parts and things [TS]

  like that but we did get to see in the [TS]

  family theme here right they they they [TS]

  seem to reach some sort of understanding [TS]

  of each other by the end of this movie [TS]

  that they did not have at the beginning [TS]

  or indeed in the last movie Karen Gillan [TS]

  is ear is up and down as an actress in [TS]

  Doctor Who um yes she's she's people I [TS]

  think she's generally good but sometimes [TS]

  she nails it and sometimes she doesn't [TS]

  quite um but the episode of Doctor Who [TS]

  that features her as an older pet as an [TS]

  old-time time duplicate the girl who [TS]

  waited um she is so fantastic in her and [TS]

  that one and that's the Karen Gillan [TS]

  that I saw in this movie I was so [TS]

  impressed with what she did she has she [TS]

  showed so much more range so much more [TS]

  steel she's not just randomly snarly she [TS]

  is swaggering she but she has funny [TS]

  she's just just rolling her eyes at the [TS]

  other people so much happening there um [TS]

  nebula is great and karen gillan is [TS]

  great yeah their their relationship in [TS]

  the first movie was one of the things [TS]

  that I was disappointed in in that [TS]

  because it's not very there's not very [TS]

  much development at all there's not it's [TS]

  like here are two women pit them against [TS]

  each other done and and you know she's [TS]

  an indestructible killing machine okay [TS]

  yeah this is the relationship I wanted [TS]

  to see there I wanted to see a little [TS]

  bit more of that set up in the first [TS]

  film but I thought it was it was really [TS]

  good in this just as is [TS]

  well getting the whole like the first [TS]

  movie had some problems I think script [TS]

  wise where there was supposed to be [TS]

  Thanos and then they were like no no we [TS]

  need fan OHS for the Avengers eventually [TS]

  and so like so umit's make it Ronin but [TS]

  then he's not there [TS]

  he's not their dad so they have to like [TS]

  have this weird like well we'll move [TS]

  some of their own and stuff here but [TS]

  we'll also keep Thanos and they'll talk [TS]

  about Thanos and you know I think it's I [TS]

  think their relationship suffered [TS]

  because of that decision in the first [TS]

  movie yes and and you're right in in the [TS]

  end she's just a secondary baddie [TS]

  she's like the the the the the thugs go [TS]

  before that sent out by the main bad [TS]

  eight yeah right and and cut and not [TS]

  that interesting and he or she's she's a [TS]

  lot more interesting oh yeah yeah so [TS]

  it's it's it's good um Gamora I would [TS]

  say Gamora has a tough it's a tough part [TS]

  because so with when she's wisk got to [TS]

  be the grown-up yeah so when she's with [TS]

  her sister at least there's this sister [TS]

  dynamic and you can see her learning and [TS]

  they fight and there's rocks collapsing [TS]

  and all those things but but with quill [TS]

  yeah she's like she's she's like the [TS]

  questioner and trying to bring him down [TS]

  from his high and that is a sort of a [TS]

  thankless role in the in the movie and [TS]

  anything like this that be the person [TS]

  who has to be like snap out of it this [TS]

  paradise that you're seeing can't be [TS]

  real it's a tough that's a tough part [TS]

  and you know it's she ends up sort of [TS]

  coming across as the Cyclops [TS]

  she's the hmm she said she's the one [TS]

  who's the has to be the adult in the [TS]

  room and she knows it at all times and [TS]

  she's got to hurt all of these [TS]

  ridiculous personalities and she ends up [TS]

  feel [TS]

  a little stiff and uninteresting I think [TS]

  because of it and so I was glad to see [TS]

  the stuff that she had with nebula in it [TS]

  it gave her a little bit of something to [TS]

  learn and you could also see her [TS]

  reflexes like I don't care I'm just [TS]

  going to hit my sister because that's [TS]

  what I'm trained to do that's that's [TS]

  just the way things have been and that [TS]

  was that that was something she had to [TS]

  get over but yeah the stuff with Peter [TS]

  just seemed really undeveloped like in [TS]

  the very beginning of the relation of [TS]

  the month are on the screen and I was [TS]

  like wait a minute so they're exactly [TS]

  where they were at the end of the first [TS]

  movie relationship-wise like I was [TS]

  totally expecting that they had had a [TS]

  full relationship and then broken it off [TS]

  and that it was going to be them [TS]

  learning like what had gone wrong and [TS]

  why they had to sort of reconfigure and [TS]

  get back to where they were and not like [TS]

  oh where do we've just been in a holding [TS]

  pattern for whatever span of time it is [TS]

  between the first movie in the second [TS]

  that they wouldn't have had you know had [TS]

  a conversation since then yeah even if [TS]

  it's odd it's still six months I mean it [TS]

  it is sort of indicative of the whole TV [TS]

  season style and I mean even bringing in [TS]

  cheers and the whole will they won't [TS]

  they [TS]

  alright I will say he's exactly right [TS]

  about Sam Cooke uh but again there's [TS]

  there's that whole you know you made me [TS]

  come here now you want me to leave and [TS]

  they don't they don't actually really do [TS]

  much with that there could have been so [TS]

  much more of you know yes I did think [TS]

  this was the right thing to do and no [TS]

  you we have to go now because I was [TS]

  wrong that would have been a much more [TS]

  interesting note to play with and and [TS]

  and to develop their relationship and [TS]

  both of their characters too because [TS]

  here's this mistake I've made I got us [TS]

  into this part of the plot and we should [TS]

  go as an accidental side-effect though [TS]

  for the sort of the way [TS]

  sort of undercooked I do appreciate that [TS]

  Gomorrah doesn't spin the movie the [TS]

  whole movie just basically falling over [TS]

  quill yes yes she what she maintains her [TS]

  agency and her independence and her and [TS]

  her strength as a character throughout I [TS]

  think in part because they they treat [TS]

  the relationship with restraint in the [TS]

  end it's something unspoken and I yeah I [TS]

  would like to have seen them do more [TS]

  with it but I also wonder if if they had [TS]

  done more with it would I have bought it [TS]

  as much I don't know well what was funny [TS]

  to me about that was he made the cheers [TS]

  reference and and I'm like no wait [TS]

  moonlighting and I'm like wait Peter [TS]

  wouldn't have been old enough to be [TS]

  watching moonlighting and appreciate it [TS]

  strictly speaking he would have been old [TS]

  enough to watch tears I think he was [TS]

  abducted before cheers came on missing [TS]

  Shh okay I thought it was it would I [TS]

  thought no that's not that's not true [TS]

  than that cheers Cheers premiered in [TS]

  1982 Peter quill was abducted in 1988 [TS]

  okay I was gonna say 80 I thought was 83 [TS]

  so 98 at least a little bit of 1988 it's [TS]

  it's the opening night but in the first [TS]

  movie there's a title that says 1988 I [TS]

  thought it was 83 - nope okay sorry [TS]

  lucky [TS]

  no I thought that cheers was 83 not 82 [TS]

  and I thought I knew he was abducted [TS]

  after that so that means he never had to [TS]

  put up with Rebecca on Cheers [TS]

  oh oh lucky by to say I had the same [TS]

  thought about moonlighting and which was [TS]

  85 and I'm a little surprised that I [TS]

  mean yeah he might have been young but I [TS]

  and didn't understand all sorts of shows [TS]

  that I was too young for it would have [TS]

  been that was the obvious there but he [TS]

  didn't yeah he didn't go to the best [TS]

  moonlighting was the one that like my [TS]

  parents let me watch Cheers they did not [TS]

  let me watch moonlighting yeah I don't [TS]

  know what it was about the it was just [TS]

  that much more adult just like a little [TS]

  bit more adult yes maybe yeah genre came [TS]

  on after you were in bed that I believe [TS]

  it was four years of sexual tension you [TS]

  could cut within me there's there's a [TS]

  line in guardians the galaxy where I [TS]

  really thought they were going to go [TS]

  there where he where I really expected [TS]

  him to say you know what the [TS]

  isn't Cheers it's moonlighting and [TS]

  that's not what the law is and I was [TS]

  like you're right there you're right [TS]

  there just say it like this it would [TS]

  have been it would have been great it [TS]

  would have been amazing but uh they [TS]

  didn't didn't they're there were enough [TS]

  pop-culture references in this movie [TS]

  let's uh let's be clear there were many [TS]

  how could that kid not have Bruce Willis [TS]

  as like his personal hero he lives up on [TS]

  the notice cut to the chase music boys [TS]

  like how is that not the show that he [TS]

  would you know yeah great good point but [TS]

  I did like the fact that you know he's [TS]

  he makes the one pop-culture reference [TS]

  and then he's just so mad he's [TS]

  completely at sea and he can't think of [TS]

  anything so it would be a show that [TS]

  doesn't exist and it did like that he [TS]

  found himself backed into that corner it [TS]

  just kept kept at it anyway it was [TS]

  pretty great I did like that so I have a [TS]

  lot of complex headcanon about how those [TS]

  cassette tapes are still playing and and [TS]

  uh [TS]

  and the muscle pencils nasal tape well I [TS]

  think it involves like alien technology [TS]

  is used to make duplicates of the tapes [TS]

  or the tapes content and they're saved [TS]

  in other forms too so that he can still [TS]

  have the music even if the tapes die and [TS]

  that perhaps there's some sort of new [TS]

  power source that's been retrofitted [TS]

  into the Walkman in order for it to play [TS]

  it or perhaps they smuggle in some of [TS]

  those things that come off earth in [TS]

  various forms because of course at the [TS]

  end of the movie he gets a Zune with 300 [TS]

  songs on it it's what everybody's [TS]

  listening to how must Jay Allard have [TS]

  felt after this the punch line good [TS]

  punch line 300 song they find like the [TS]

  one Zune that's still around where did [TS]

  they learn to take hours up yeah it is [TS]

  amazing that mp3 players are now like [TS]

  old signifiers because watching the [TS]

  first episode of iron fist there's a [TS]

  whole like thing that it dwells on that [TS]

  he's got an original iPod because he's [TS]

  been gone 15 years and I'm like wow mp3 [TS]

  players are relics that used that are [TS]

  used to date characters no good Lord [TS]

  could we talk about crag Lin for a [TS]

  second he the I had to look his name up [TS]

  and IMDB after the end of the movies [TS]

  Kirk from Gilmore Girls but he's also [TS]

  the directors younger brother and he's [TS]

  and he's um yondu's like ii guess he's [TS]

  such a fun sweet character um [TS]

  he seems like it was he in the first [TS]

  movies he yes was he there okay he he he [TS]

  seems like he's sort of there by [TS]

  accident but he's like capable enough [TS]

  that he can get his feet under him and [TS]

  and make decisions and and sort of move [TS]

  the plot along when the Moot plot needs [TS]

  moving along and I love the it was my [TS]

  favorite part of the credit sequences is [TS]

  him trying to trying to power the arrow [TS]

  and I just I would totally watch more of [TS]

  him I don't know if I would want him to [TS]

  like have his own movie or whatever cuz [TS]

  I don't know if his character is rounded [TS]

  enough for that but he he was the only [TS]

  surprise to me in this movie I think was [TS]

  that he was just sort of there being [TS]

  sweet and awkward and being upset that [TS]

  that he'd accidentally started this um [TS]

  this mutiny you just from asking a [TS]

  question and and that he then felt that [TS]

  he needed to redeem himself after that I [TS]

  felt like in some ways he had like the [TS]

  biggest character journey of anyone in [TS]

  well except maybe for quill but that's [TS]

  only because like that entire character [TS]

  journey was just shoehorned and [TS]

  completely but the I just I just liked [TS]

  him he was there he wasn't doing all [TS]

  that much but what he was doing was [TS]

  enough and it was great and I loved him [TS]

  mm-hmm [TS]

  I enjoyed him very much he also does [TS]

  rock it on set ah yeah that's part of [TS]

  part of why he's there I was going to [TS]

  mention seeing him so we do have the [TS]

  mutiny against yondu by the Ravagers and [TS]

  and that's one of those things that [TS]

  kragle and ends up regretting it and he [TS]

  ends up sort of like getting them [TS]

  ends up sort of like getting them [TS]

  out of it again I do want to mention at [TS]

  least the extended series of jokes about [TS]

  the lead mutineer whose name is Jason [TS]

  face and why would you have a name is [TS]

  taser taser face and that just made me [TS]

  laugh a lot there is a Marvel character [TS]

  named taser face and I think James Gunn [TS]

  just decided that he thought that would [TS]

  be really funny the idea that somebody [TS]

  picks a name that he thinks is super [TS]

  intimidating and everybody laughs at it [TS]

  because it's ridiculous because he's [TS]

  taste based you wait wait your name is [TS]

  taser face yeah amazing [TS]

  I enjoyed that that was though some fun [TS]

  you know I I I can complain about the [TS]

  saggy middle and the fact that Kurt [TS]

  Russell like Kurt Russell I love Kurt [TS]

  Russell he kind of you know he does what [TS]

  he does what's expected of him he's he's [TS]

  chummy at the beginning and then at the [TS]

  end he gets growly and evil and he's [TS]

  fine but you know that part of the movie [TS]

  didn't really work for me it was it was [TS]

  okay but everything around it I really [TS]

  enjoyed that's the thing is I did enjoy [TS]

  this movie and I may enjoy it more on [TS]

  other viewings knowing what I know now [TS]

  about how its shaped but you know it I [TS]

  did but like the Kurt Russell stuff was [TS]

  just it's a good idea and I really [TS]

  wanted to see Kurt Russell and and and [TS]

  Chris Pratt kind of like have more to do [TS]

  and that part is I'm a little [TS]

  disappointed that that they didn't get [TS]

  more to do because you're Russell's not [TS]

  much at all he's super charismatic and I [TS]

  was doing in a really really long movie [TS]

  yeah I will say this this is the best [TS]

  this now the best Kurt Russell Sylvester [TS]

  Stallone film out there if they had [TS]

  taken the you have godlike powers thing [TS]

  more if they done more with it so that [TS]

  they done anything with it I think that [TS]

  anything with it you're right so that [TS]

  when there's that reveal that of course [TS]

  he's the one who put the tumor and and [TS]

  and Meredith's brain when so that [TS]

  there's more for for Peter quill to lose [TS]

  if he decides at that point to you know [TS]

  go [TS]

  to his dad um I mean that would have [TS]

  been what 10 15 minutes that would have [TS]

  been so much more for him to then have [TS]

  to say goodbye to and have a decision to [TS]

  make instead of the automatic well I've [TS]

  known you for 30 minutes when you're [TS]

  biologically my dad and you tossed a [TS]

  ball around with me but now I have to [TS]

  kill you because you killed my mom I [TS]

  almost wanted another step in the [TS]

  relationship like like like that they [TS]

  don't meet and go straight back to his [TS]

  planet but like they meet and at [TS]

  somewhere in space and have a [TS]

  conversation and maybe he unlocks some [TS]

  of this power and then Peter like uses [TS]

  the power and discovers that this is the [TS]

  awesome thing about about having this [TS]

  power and he can protect his friends and [TS]

  all of that and then he goes to his [TS]

  dad's planet realizes there's a horrible [TS]

  price something like that where there [TS]

  was sort of like a midpoint in the [TS]

  relationship and then he could maybe [TS]

  Peter becomes kind of more convinced and [TS]

  and so that that moment cuz the moment [TS]

  where he says that I felt really bad [TS]

  when I gave your mom the the brain tumor [TS]

  is like I don't feel it's earned I feel [TS]

  like it comes out of nowhere because at [TS]

  the end in the movie where he has it has [TS]

  to happen there has to be a turn you [TS]

  know I don't I I disagree I I liked the [TS]

  sudden turn there I did see where you're [TS]

  coming from about it not being earned [TS]

  but the you know he's he's he's tempted [TS]

  he's exploring all this other stuff and [TS]

  then the one line and that's it right I [TS]

  just like I just wanted them to mosey up [TS]

  to that line and I thought I felt like [TS]

  he just drops it like boom now I'm going [TS]

  to drop this and then the response is is [TS]

  great right like Chris Pratt's like whoa [TS]

  like it was fun that we played catch but [TS]

  you know that's I'm going to kill you [TS]

  it's over now right I just I just [TS]

  figured that there maybe there could be [TS]

  more there and it comes back to that [TS]

  same thing which is my feeling like [TS]

  something's missing like they go [TS]

  straight to the planet and then they're [TS]

  just on the planet and I kind of just [TS]

  wanted some other phase in that [TS]

  relationship other than to see his you [TS]

  know his murals to himself that one I [TS]

  kind of I'm right there with you I think [TS]

  that it's it's all very much like oh [TS]

  we've crashed on this thing and here's [TS]

  Kurt Russell and he's going to take us [TS]

  to his planet and that's great right and [TS]

  there's no there's no seduction I'm [TS]

  seduction isn't quite the right word but [TS]

  I guess in terms of like a con game it [TS]

  is there it's just like oh well of [TS]

  course you're you're his dad cool let's [TS]

  go [TS]

  whereas if if there had been a little [TS]

  more and maybe it would have made it a [TS]

  little more episodic but have sort of a [TS]

  couple of quick mini adventures where [TS]

  you get to see he's pursuing he's he's [TS]

  figured out that this kid who's running [TS]

  the guardians of the galaxy that's his [TS]

  kid and he's following him around he's [TS]

  trying to get to know him it's like come [TS]

  back with me there's more to you right [TS]

  he's like no I don't think so and then [TS]

  finally after two or three times the [TS]

  third time that's the charm that's [TS]

  alright alright fine let's go see what [TS]

  this is about [TS]

  even just flashbacks to show that would [TS]

  show him catching up like the bonus of [TS]

  it would be like here's some guardians [TS]

  the galaxy aftermath you know he shows [TS]

  up at the prison after they've [TS]

  demolished it he shows up at nowhere and [TS]

  sees you know we get a glimpse into what [TS]

  the guardians have been up to and then [TS]

  we get a glimpse of this guy who we [TS]

  don't know who he is we don't know what [TS]

  his deal is we just know he's chasing [TS]

  them and then like immediately the movie [TS]

  is set up with tension like who is this [TS]

  guy what's his deal what does he want [TS]

  with the guardians the galaxy why is he [TS]

  chasing them and then he finally gets to [TS]

  a point where their paths intersect and [TS]

  I feel like that sort of setup would [TS]

  have been better because then we would [TS]

  have gotten a better reveal of Kurt [TS]

  Russell than the one-inch man maybe we [TS]

  really do just want the the guardians of [TS]

  the galaxy TV series because we're all [TS]

  talking about these things than we want [TS]

  it like that's like an episode and a [TS]

  half right there we just we just want [TS]

  like the one episode in the middle that [TS]

  just focuses on the two of them and goes [TS]

  deeper into their relationship so that [TS]

  then there's more to lose toward the end [TS]

  of it and it's it's funny it's like [TS]

  we're stuck somewhere in the middle [TS]

  between TV and film at this point well [TS]

  that's always been the biggest issue [TS]

  that I have with the enjoy I love the [TS]

  Marvel Cinematic Universe [TS]

  I love these movies I there's only one [TS]

  of them that I haven't ever finished and [TS]

  that's the Incredible Hulk [TS]

  big surprise but at the [TS]

  and count but it's not only why not not [TS]

  that one the other one uh but neither [TS]

  that one either but I superhero comics [TS]

  an issue a month twenty two pages a [TS]

  month for years and years so much story [TS]

  so much story superhero movies two hours [TS]

  two or three years apart there's so much [TS]

  that you could do with these characters [TS]

  that you can't because yeah [TS]

  it's a movie yeah it's like it's like [TS]

  either either time Batman has faced the [TS]

  Joker in a movie it's one story and the [TS]

  Joker dies at the end and me there's [TS]

  there's no life long nemesis thing going [TS]

  on what fun is that it doesn't work yeah [TS]

  it's only interesting because you've [TS]

  brought the baggage of having read all [TS]

  those comics for all those years and now [TS]

  here they are in person in front of you [TS]

  facing off that's what makes the Joker [TS]

  awesome in both those movies is that you [TS]

  have spent your entire life watching [TS]

  them you know watching them I don't each [TS]

  other is that's what they calls it on [TS]

  your brothers right there like arching [TS]

  and arching and arching and so and then [TS]

  so when you finally get to see them in [TS]

  person it's it's not the payoff of the [TS]

  movie it's the payoff of a lifetime of [TS]

  having DC Comics in your box right this [TS]

  conversation makes me curious about you [TS]

  know maybe I should check out the [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy animated series [TS]

  because of story story story story story [TS]

  story story right but then I would watch [TS]

  it and I would not be here in Chris [TS]

  Pratt etc and I probably would not be as [TS]

  satisfied this is my first inkling that [TS]

  there is such a thing as the guardians [TS]

  of the galaxy animated series [TS]

  merchandise and Disney XD I think [TS]

  merchandising Disney XD very important [TS]

  to always be merchandise merchandise so [TS]

  moisturizing I tell you the you know I'm [TS]

  starting to think that maybe the problem [TS]

  with this with with this movie and again [TS]

  I did enjoy it but is that is the James [TS]

  Gunn got he latched on to ego the Living [TS]

  Planet which is a character from Marvel [TS]

  Comics and maybe the right decision was [TS]

  to have Kurt Russell be someone else [TS]

  maybe JSON of spartax which is the Peter [TS]

  Quill's dad in the comics maybe it's [TS]

  some other Marvel character he takes off [TS]

  a shell [TS]

  something where he could have he could [TS]

  get to know his son and his son could [TS]

  get to know him during an adventure [TS]

  somewhere and that they could tell this [TS]

  same story the problem with it being ego [TS]

  living planet is they have to go to him [TS]

  right they have to go to him because he [TS]

  is a planet and they have to live on his [TS]

  little planet for a while and that just [TS]

  that I think maybe in the end that's my [TS]

  complaint about this movie is that it [TS]

  feels static because they have to go to [TS]

  this deserted planet and one of the [TS]

  interesting things about these movies is [TS]

  the teeming weird space stations and [TS]

  planets and stuff they go to and would [TS]

  it have been better if this whole plot [TS]

  had taken place amid some adventure [TS]

  somewhere else in the galaxy and not on [TS]

  the really boring paradise planet I [TS]

  don't know I mean you have you have the [TS]

  Ravager ship you have the space brothel [TS]

  they're both filled with craziness and [TS]

  then you have this very peaceful empty [TS]

  place Hawaii you know it's fine and you [TS]

  also have to spend 15 minutes explaining [TS]

  how he is like a consciousness who's [TS]

  also a brain who's also a planner who's [TS]

  also a person who also went everywhere [TS]

  and made all these kids and it looks [TS]

  like hurt Russell we had what looks are [TS]

  Kurt Russell and has all the big plastic [TS]

  dioramas and it's so much narrative and [TS]

  an exposition just just to explain who [TS]

  this person is that it becomes it was [TS]

  just such a cumbersome decision might [TS]

  have been too far yeah so I want to ask [TS]

  you guys to fill in for me because I [TS]

  only have the vaguest recollection since [TS]

  we're talking about the comic book [TS]

  version of things um who Stanley was [TS]

  talking to oh it's the watchers what two [TS]

  watches the Watchers more than just a [TS]

  watcher right there like three of them [TS]

  but that's a a care well known character [TS]

  from Marvel Comics who is the he [TS]

  watching lives on the moon and he [TS]

  watches our planet and also all the like [TS]

  alternate realities he's the narrator of [TS]

  what if the classic Marvel comic where [TS]

  it's like well I loved what if I loved [TS]

  it so he is and I think that there are [TS]

  people who made who for whom that cameo [TS]

  was lost because well I have no idea [TS]

  what I except it doesn't matter right if [TS]

  if you want it's just the Stanley Kim [TS]

  no he's talking to a bunch of aliens [TS]

  right he's telling stories to a bunch of [TS]

  bald aliens and it doesn't matter and if [TS]

  you know the watchers it's extra funny [TS]

  and it was extra funny because I was [TS]

  like oh look the snares we got the [TS]

  watches how are the duck reappears [TS]

  briefly - so we get a little uh okay [TS]

  Electric Tower and I love that it's it's [TS]

  not just Stan Lee talking to them but [TS]

  Stan Lee saying well in in this [TS]

  adventure I was this guy and in this and [TS]

  and sort of making fun of the fact that [TS]

  he's in all the Marvel movies I was [TS]

  actually kind of surprised to see them [TS]

  there because I thought they'd be tied [TS]

  up with Fox and Fantastic Four and stuff [TS]

  but that's why they didn't name them Oh [TS]

  interesting uh anything before we go [TS]

  anything else that we didn't cover that [TS]

  you think we should we should mention [TS]

  david hasselhoff cameo check I should [TS]

  throw that in there and that was exactly [TS]

  the right amount of David Hasselhoff for [TS]

  any project I was a puncher he was a [TS]

  punch line it was perfect and then that [TS]

  was it because he is mm-hmm if you are [TS]

  agnostic too favorable towards 3d uh see [TS]

  this in 3d [TS]

  um if they do they use it well okay good [TS]

  to know since I am NOT agnostic or [TS]

  favorable toward 3d but it's good to [TS]

  know I want those people who have who [TS]

  bought the 2d glasses so if I have to go [TS]

  to a 3d showing I can just not see the [TS]

  3d that's yeah they make those I have [TS]

  them that's the thing yeah that's the [TS]

  thing you can buy 2d glasses they're [TS]

  pulled they're both polarized the same [TS]

  way so you put them on a 3d movie and [TS]

  then you only see one of the one of [TS]

  those sides yeah but it isn't blurry [TS]

  yeah that's amazing yeah [TS]

  2d glass pretty cool actually check them [TS]

  out they're available on Amazon into [TS]

  that you know I bought some y-your rebel [TS]

  all right well you know it's a fun movie [TS]

  and I think um one of the things I like [TS]

  about these movies is that Marvel you [TS]

  know Marvel movies are of a kind a lot [TS]

  of the time and superhero movies in [TS]

  general are of a kind there are the [TS]

  beats that they need to hit and [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy is different and [TS]

  and and the stories are shaped kind of [TS]

  differently and the tone is a little [TS]

  different and the space stuff is part of [TS]

  it you know is this really a superhero [TS]

  story at all or just a science fiction [TS]

  story I think that's part of it too but [TS]

  I enjoy that this is as we said at the [TS]

  very beginning right it's fun one of the [TS]

  things that I felt going out of the [TS]

  first movie was I hadn't had so much fun [TS]

  in a big blockbuster movie in a long [TS]

  time some there's something to be said [TS]

  for a fun space adventure like that was [TS]

  the feeling when I saw the Firefly movie [TS]

  serenity in the theater I was like this [TS]

  is was just fun it was like a fun [TS]

  adventure and guardians of galaxy was [TS]

  like that and so full credit to James [TS]

  Gunn for putting this movie together it [TS]

  is it is still fun and not like other [TS]

  Marvel or movies or other superhero [TS]

  movies and I really appreciate that [TS]

  about it so you know it that's that's [TS]

  even we can quibble about some of the [TS]

  stuff in it but I'm glad that a movie [TS]

  like this is allowed to exist inside the [TS]

  billion dollar billions of dollars [TS]

  machine that is Marvel's Cinematic [TS]

  franchise right yeah yeah yeah I have [TS]

  we're fortunate we're we're fortunate to [TS]

  have movies like this that do not end [TS]

  with the I guess the destruction of the [TS]

  universe is threatened at the end of the [TS]

  movie but it's really a right in the end [TS]

  love conquers all that's right they [TS]

  literally save the galaxy again to time [TS]

  savers at the galaxy yeah they get to [TS]

  raise their rates now they do yeah [TS]

  just thanks one of the things that I [TS]

  think um and I am going somewhere with [TS]

  this [TS]

  alright I feel like there wouldn't be a [TS]

  Deadpool without guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  because I feel like they did kind of the [TS]

  they stepped a little bit out of the [TS]

  standard-issue comic movie comic movie [TS]

  totally and so I think that was what [TS]

  allowed them to go yeah maybe we should [TS]

  take this Deadpool thing seriously yeah [TS]

  having a movie that takes these chances [TS]

  and makes a lot of money makes everybody [TS]

  who is worried about the future movies a [TS]

  little more courageous right just a [TS]

  little more courageous and a Deadpool [TS]

  does well and then everybody's looking [TS]

  through the intellectual property [TS]

  binders for things that they can do is [TS]

  r-rated superhero movies and and then [TS]

  you know that'll probably have terrible [TS]

  places but I agree that this is the this [TS]

  the first movie really opened up the [TS]

  playbook because it did so well and full [TS]

  credit to the people who I think that [TS]

  was literally just a tossed-off movie [TS]

  it's their second movie of the summer if [TS]

  it doesn't do well that's fine they [TS]

  could afford to take a gamble which is [TS]

  the same with ant-man which I liked a [TS]

  lot and and is a different feeling kind [TS]

  of Marvel movie it was the same deal it [TS]

  was like the pressure was off the second [TS]

  movie of the summer and the result was [TS]

  something really good that opened the [TS]

  door for other stuff but this gets back [TS]

  to what helene led with when we started [TS]

  talking about that you know guardians of [TS]

  the galaxy one opened the door for a lot [TS]

  of innovative stuff in other movies [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy 2 is not that [TS]

  innovative it is more calculated it is a [TS]

  it is designed to continue what you got [TS]

  out of the first movie and I'm down with [TS]

  that and I loved this but was I [TS]

  surprised by it or was it as was it as [TS]

  groundbreaking compared to the first one [TS]

  no it wasn't but but 'no here's my [TS]

  question having having said that you [TS]

  were surprised by guardians the galaxy [TS]

  one that's great i loved it i was [TS]

  surprised by it too but what surprise do [TS]

  we need from it now we kind of want more [TS]

  guardians right what what is it going to [TS]

  do to suddenly be you know this was a [TS]

  totally surprising movie you know gets [TS]

  more like you know if we if we get into [TS]

  season seven of Star Trek The Next [TS]

  Generation syndrome then I think your [TS]

  answer is that yeah they I think there's [TS]

  only they they moved it forward by [TS]

  focusing on the family and the [TS]

  relationships of the characters and [TS]

  stuff like that but then there's going [TS]

  to be a Guardians three and then there's [TS]

  going to be a Guardians four and then [TS]

  there's going to be fast and furious 8 [TS]

  and then you know if it goes but there [TS]

  is a point of - Ingrid I guess I'll [TS]

  absolute I guess I would say that that [TS]

  that the second one is probably not it's [TS]

  probably fine that it is what is and I [TS]

  actually I would argue that that the big [TS]

  thing that it does is not amp up the [TS]

  even though there is a lot of explosion [TS]

  universe saving at the end of the movie [TS]

  I'd say it actually amps up that that [TS]

  love conquers all feeling [TS]

  that instead of having a wacky dance-off [TS]

  at the end of the movie they have this [TS]

  emotional decision that is what resolves [TS]

  the movie and I think that was kind of a [TS]

  bold choice [TS]

  so it was it and it was different in its [TS]

  own way that's I mean that's part of why [TS]

  I really liked it yeah I mean we we did [TS]

  with all thought about the you know they [TS]

  spent a lot of time eulogizing yondu at [TS]

  the end of the movie I mean yeah and and [TS]

  I yeah I'm a sentimental guy I actually [TS]

  did have tears streaming down I also [TS]

  know of people who were not moved by it [TS]

  because you know he's a secondary [TS]

  character he's not that important and [TS]

  story and because they're dead inside [TS]

  you should stop hanging parently I'm [TS]

  dead inside I I didn't I I know I know [TS]

  I I just know the I mean it wasn't Spock [TS]

  don't get me wrong [TS]

  yeah the thing that now we're getting [TS]

  back into specifics but they they [TS]

  broadcast what he was going to do so [TS]

  much earlier than he actually did it [TS]

  with with with rocket giving him like [TS]

  the the the the arrow and the end of the [TS]

  suit you know and saying okay now the [TS]

  lone monologue once you see it's coming [TS]

  yeah and it was like okay and that I [TS]

  think just goes sort of back to the [TS]

  sentimentality stuff which is which is [TS]

  very much about you know telling and not [TS]

  showing and I just sort of sat there [TS]

  like feeling like it wasn't earned and I [TS]

  wanted it to be earned I wanted to feel [TS]

  more for yondu in his death than that I [TS]

  was feeling I mean the line the one and [TS]

  what I did feel really did like we're [TS]

  saying before come back down to [TS]

  advocating the actor's name coop was it [TS]

  Cooper but what's his his name who plays [TS]

  yondu it comes Realty my Gregor Gege [TS]

  Rooker Michael Rooker I knew was Michael [TS]

  something his performance the way he [TS]

  says that you know ego may band your [TS]

  father but he wasn't your daddy which is [TS]

  a great line but also the delivery was [TS]

  just um [TS]

  like as he's about to die and it's just [TS]

  like that's that's the one thing that's [TS]

  all he has to say and that's what and [TS]

  that in itself is is sort of the [TS]

  distillation of the relationship between [TS]

  them and as like if we could have just [TS]

  had that and not like the big send-off [TS]

  and the the Sylvester Stallone and like [TS]

  we're going Everly watch his body turn [TS]

  into flakes and go out into space it's [TS]

  that level of detail probably [TS]

  unnecessary yeah yeah yeah no it was it [TS]

  was that moment where he says that you [TS]

  know he wasn't your daddy that's what [TS]

  got me crying not the rest of it yeah [TS]

  the rest of that was pretty good man [TS]

  but yeah yes so it's the bestest alone [TS]

  having a renewed respect for him at the [TS]

  end didn't ya never knew I think there's [TS]

  little that's belong Stallone don't make [TS]

  me cry [TS]

  I think the sadness for me though was [TS]

  for Peter in that moment because when [TS]

  you think cuz at the end of the day he [TS]

  lost his dad and he wants his dad I'd [TS]

  yeah and like again you know like hey I [TS]

  finally made it out and at least I can [TS]

  go back to the way things were ya know [TS]

  and I think that for me was the thing [TS]

  that made me so sad about about yondu [TS]

  laying down his life that way and but [TS]

  also I think a little bit of it was I'm [TS]

  really sad that we probably won't have [TS]

  any rocker in the next one but for the [TS]

  most part it was just that I was I was [TS]

  really sad for like the fallout of what [TS]

  that what that was going to do to Peter [TS]

  on a on a fundamental level yeah you [TS]

  know making that you know how that was [TS]

  going to warp him and and you know what [TS]

  that's going to do to him later so yeah [TS]

  to take it back to the stuff I like you [TS]

  know like West um West world this is one [TS]

  of his cornerstone memories you know and [TS]

  and in Doctor Who [TS]

  like the doctor has to travel for a [TS]

  while by himself because he can't be [TS]

  around anybody else and like is that [TS]

  what's going to happen to Peter now is [TS]

  he gonna feel like he needs to be alone [TS]

  and you know like make things worse [TS]

  between him and Gomorrah and him and [TS]

  rocket and and him and Drax like the [TS]

  rest of you know his family is he going [TS]

  to wall himself off from that [TS]

  he never has to feel like this again [TS]

  what's gonna happen like yeah I think [TS]

  about this stuff a lot stay tuned for [TS]

  season two end up in the mental [TS]

  institution in Legion mmm that's it Oh [TS]

  crossover fossa again that'll pick that [TS]

  all work leader all right with that we [TS]

  will leave it here I hope everybody out [TS]

  there has enjoyed our quick it's weird [TS]

  to talk about a movie I've only seen the [TS]

  one time but we did it we except for [TS]

  chip who's seen it two and a half times [TS]

  now thank you to all of my panelists [TS]

  Helene wicker it was a pleasure as [TS]

  always it was fantastic to be here thank [TS]

  you Kelly come on thank you thank you so [TS]

  much for having me it was a blast [TS]

  David jail or thank you thank you of [TS]

  course the these are all going to be [TS]

  like sprinkled through the end credits [TS]

  right that's right this is and now [TS]

  before I say goodbye to chip amid credit [TS]

  sequencing which scan lead thanks you [TS]

  for listening to it no chip thank you [TS]

  for going above and beyond to watch this [TS]

  movie second and a half time Jason [TS]

  you're beautiful right that's that's I [TS]

  appreciate [TS]

  I'll take it and crank up the week with [TS]

  Mack I guess thanks for listening to [TS]

  being comfortable we will see unit [TS]

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