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00:00:35   said September's 24 [TS]

00:00:39   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:40   uncomfortable we are competing another [TS]

00:00:42   edition of our comic book club [TS]

00:00:45   I decided that were we had such a great [TS]

00:00:47   time talking about comics with with [TS]

00:00:52   Merlin man in fact not too long ago that [TS]

00:00:55   we would come back and do it again there [TS]

00:00:59   are a couple comics out there right now [TS]

00:01:01   that I feel like everybody's talking [TS]

00:01:03   about as a comics you must read if you [TS]

00:01:07   want to read like what's going on today [TS]

00:01:09   the hottest comics today and one of the [TS]

00:01:11   saga which we talked about in episode [TS]

00:01:13   154 with marlin and Dan Morin and Tony [TS]

00:01:17   sindelar and we're back to talk about [TS]

00:01:19   the the other one that keeps coming up [TS]

00:01:20   first i heard about it was actually on a [TS]

00:01:23   previous comp club when jason bright [TS]

00:01:25   mentioned it and I well he was right [TS]

00:01:29   it's great and we're going to talk about [TS]

00:01:30   it tonight it's Hawkeye written by matt [TS]

00:01:32   fraction i know you're saying it's the [TS]

00:01:34   guy with the bow and arrow from the [TS]

00:01:37   Avengers and I know it seems ridiculous [TS]

00:01:40   that a comic about Hawkeye would be so [TS]

00:01:42   beloved and rightfully so but it's true [TS]

00:01:45   that is the amazing thing about this [TS]

00:01:47   comic by Mac matt fraction and primarily [TS]

00:01:50   drawn by i'm going to get the name right [TS]

00:01:53   daveed haha he's spanish you see and [TS]

00:01:58   there are filling artist because he [TS]

00:02:00   can't apparently can't draw fast enough [TS]

00:02:02   to fill the holes of every single issue [TS]

00:02:04   but he's the primary artist so fantastic [TS]

00:02:07   comic we're going to talk about tonight [TS]

00:02:08   we're going to cover the first two [TS]

00:02:10   trades which is essentially issues 1 [TS]

00:02:11   through 11 of Hawkeye we if we do [TS]

00:02:15   mention something in issue 12 will do it [TS]

00:02:18   at the end and blow the spoiler horn but [TS]

00:02:19   really I want this to be something that [TS]

00:02:21   you can go on Amazon or comiXology and [TS]

00:02:23   get and read and then listen to the [TS]

00:02:25   podcast so it's readily available issues [TS]

00:02:28   1 through 11 the first two trades of [TS]

00:02:30   Hawkeye now joining me to talk about [TS]

00:02:32   Hawkeye are some of the names that I [TS]

00:02:35   have just mentioned Merlin man is back [TS]

00:02:37   again hi Merlin 18 it's good to have you [TS]

00:02:41   because boomerangs [TS]

00:02:43   yeah because boomerangs bro bro here sit [TS]

00:02:46   for brown / oh well well [TS]

00:02:47   Robo previously bro bro ok Dan more'n [TS]

00:02:51   this looks bad [TS]

00:02:52   stop all this stop all this fuckin [TS]

00:02:55   around until esa all right good morning [TS]

00:02:57   is here Tony sindelar also back with us [TS]

00:02:59   for another comic book club hi Tony [TS]

00:03:01   hi Jason pieces my business hey super [TS]

00:03:04   could be the dog that's fine and not in [TS]

00:03:07   the not in the last episode but she's [TS]

00:03:10   she's back with us again tonight [TS]

00:03:12   it's lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa hello bro [TS]

00:03:14   bro bro bro bro for Louie riously uh I [TS]

00:03:19   don't even know where to begin here [TS]

00:03:20   other than to say again who thought that [TS]

00:03:22   Hawkeye would be a guy who would have a [TS]

00:03:26   comic that everybody would love but the [TS]

00:03:27   whole point it from the very first page [TS]

00:03:30   of the very first issue of Hawkeye is it [TS]

00:03:32   well I guess the second page is this is [TS]

00:03:36   what he does when he's not being an [TS]

00:03:38   Avenger and that is the thing that gives [TS]

00:03:41   it i think so much independence [TS]

00:03:45   lightness ability to have a very [TS]

00:03:47   different tone than superhero comics [TS]

00:03:49   because it's about this guy [TS]

00:03:52   it's about clint barton he's got up you [TS]

00:03:54   know he's got a bow and arrow and he can [TS]

00:03:56   shoot and he knows the adventures but [TS]

00:03:58   this is not what this comic is about [TS]

00:04:00   this comic is about him and his life and [TS]

00:04:03   his building that he lives in and his [TS]

00:04:06   neighbors and his friends and his dog [TS]

00:04:09   and his dog [TS]

00:04:10   there's an entire issue done from the [TS]

00:04:12   perspective of his dog i think that's [TS]

00:04:14   the greatest thing I've her so when I [TS]

00:04:16   was talking to people about this i was [TS]

00:04:17   talking to people about this and they [TS]

00:04:18   said well you know issue one is so [TS]

00:04:19   fantastic and I said yes and and then I [TS]

00:04:22   had somebody say well actually you know [TS]

00:04:24   issue 3 is fantastic cherry and I said [TS]

00:04:29   yes okay have you read issue 11 and they [TS]

00:04:31   said no i haven't read it related issue [TS]

00:04:33   11 is even better than issue 1 an issue [TS]

00:04:35   3 these are there are so many amazing [TS]

00:04:37   stories that have been told him in a [TS]

00:04:39   comic that you know in the first 11 [TS]

00:04:40   issues of this comic issue 11 is told [TS]

00:04:43   entirely from the perspective of Lucky [TS]

00:04:46   also arrow also pizza dog uh it's just [TS]

00:04:51   you know i-i-i don't even know I could [TS]

00:04:54   be i'm going to be effusive about this [TS]

00:04:55   comic i think there are some i think [TS]

00:04:57   some issues are better than others and I [TS]

00:04:58   think it's got some story issues that [TS]

00:05:00   it's headed to deal with and I heard [TS]

00:05:02   from somebody who thought the most [TS]

00:05:03   recent issues weren't as strong as the [TS]

00:05:05   first few issues [TS]

00:05:06   I number eleven uh but let's just get [TS]

00:05:09   started at the beginning i guess i [TS]

00:05:12   should ask you guys I i heard about it [TS]

00:05:15   and what has you know what you really [TS]

00:05:18   what drew this drew you to this what [TS]

00:05:20   what do you like about it let's start [TS]

00:05:21   with lisa i heard about it from jason [TS]

00:05:23   reitman yeah you were there you and i [TS]

00:05:25   were there when I get it we laughed and [TS]

00:05:27   laughed at the idea of a Hawkeye comic [TS]

00:05:29   but I trust his taste because yeah one [TS]

00:05:34   of the nice things going to say about [TS]

00:05:35   jason reitman as he has there are my [TS]

00:05:38   well to backtrack i know some people who [TS]

00:05:40   follow comics because they like specific [TS]

00:05:42   artists and i know some people who [TS]

00:05:43   follow comics because they like specific [TS]

00:05:45   writers and i will have a writer bias [TS]

00:05:47   but Jason is one of the most holistic [TS]

00:05:50   comic fans that I know and not only can [TS]

00:05:53   he look at something and see the [TS]

00:05:54   interplay between writer and artist he's [TS]

00:05:56   also able to place it within the context [TS]

00:05:58   of the industry and within the context [TS]

00:06:00   of the history of comics and someone [TS]

00:06:01   jason says you have to see this because [TS]

00:06:03   this is fantastic [TS]

00:06:05   it would be like somebody walking out of [TS]

00:06:07   Star Wars viewing in 1978 and saying oh [TS]

00:06:09   this is gonna be big so yeah so when [TS]

00:06:13   Jason's go read this I probably went [TS]

00:06:15   onto amazon and bought it and I was [TS]

00:06:17   hooked actually an issue 2 and it's the [TS]

00:06:21   I'll tell you what hook me and it's in [TS]

00:06:23   the trade are the second and third page [TS]

00:06:26   where you start off in the upper [TS]

00:06:27   left-hand corner with the Daily Bugle [TS]

00:06:29   panel with the headline everything oh [TS]

00:06:31   god somebody do something it's my [TS]

00:06:33   favorite comic-book camel every effort [TS]

00:06:36   but what really got me is when you are [TS]

00:06:39   again on the next page when you see [TS]

00:06:42   Clint go to shoot an arrow and as kate [TS]

00:06:45   says well that's cool you watch him [TS]

00:06:48   break down the process of shooting the [TS]

00:06:49   arrow and having it land and you watch [TS]

00:06:53   her mouth make all of the different [TS]

00:06:54   sounds as you go through the process and [TS]

00:06:56   you see a time dilation and it's just [TS]

00:06:58   such a smart visual storytelling [TS]

00:07:00   mechanism and it says so much about the [TS]

00:07:02   two of them in in just a page and a half [TS]

00:07:04   and I thought oh my god this this is not [TS]

00:07:06   one you can read once you're going to [TS]

00:07:07   have to keep reading it over and over [TS]

00:07:09   again to pick up all of the things [TS]

00:07:10   because it's just so well thought out [TS]

00:07:12   just from the composition of the panels [TS]

00:07:14   on out that time slows down as you watch [TS]

00:07:18   him get ready to shoot his [TS]

00:07:19   arrow and there and you see her 14 [TS]

00:07:22   panels have her slowly saying a couple [TS]

00:07:25   of madly truly amazing also as someone [TS]

00:07:29   who can't draw i was impressed how much [TS]

00:07:31   like you can see the lip movements and [TS]

00:07:33   everything all the sounds like I was [TS]

00:07:35   like that that person gets more command [TS]

00:07:37   know and I gotta love the restricted [TS]

00:07:39   palette that they use for the whole [TS]

00:07:41   comic oh yeah the color choices are [TS]

00:07:44   fantastic it's just there's no detail on [TS]

00:07:47   this that something clearly i get the [TS]

00:07:50   fun they beat every issue to the ground [TS]

00:07:51   and I'm sure drives them crazy and God [TS]

00:07:53   bless them for doing it because the [TS]

00:07:54   final product is just superb [TS]

00:07:56   so I want to come back to the coloring [TS]

00:07:58   matt hollingsworth colorist is credited [TS]

00:08:00   on the coverage he is an integral part [TS]

00:08:02   of this comic and does a spectacular job [TS]

00:08:06   but but before we get there let me move [TS]

00:08:10   on and ask Merlin so how did you hear [TS]

00:08:14   about this and and what drew you to it [TS]

00:08:17   um i don't remember exactly but it was [TS]

00:08:20   in the midst of my recent plunge into [TS]

00:08:23   comics kind of taking off like a very [TS]

00:08:25   first was getting way into comics you [TS]

00:08:28   know for the first time really since I [TS]

00:08:29   was a kid and I was taking advice from [TS]

00:08:32   everybody all around me and kept hearing [TS]

00:08:33   this din of like how can i think i was [TS]

00:08:36   always ahead post about this one comfort [TS]

00:08:38   grip but I had this long call with rob [TS]

00:08:40   corddry who I had no idea is a giant [TS]

00:08:42   comic nerd and he gave me this huge list [TS]

00:08:45   of like people I should check out [TS]

00:08:46   writers I should check out and one of [TS]

00:08:48   them was matt fraction and i think it [TS]

00:08:50   was around that time was probably around [TS]

00:08:51   i want to say like issue 3 and so I [TS]

00:08:54   jumped in and you know I first of all [TS]

00:08:57   all of the covers all of David oz davido [TS]

00:08:59   house covers I i think are just terrific [TS]

00:09:02   and they're not the same look as the you [TS]

00:09:06   know is as art inside but they're [TS]

00:09:09   immediately grabbed you and like you say [TS]

00:09:10   that the coloring is great but it's [TS]

00:09:12   really weird like I i liked it but but I [TS]

00:09:15   felt really challenged by it because [TS]

00:09:16   I've come out this through reading a lot [TS]

00:09:18   of x-men stuff like that and let me [TS]

00:09:20   explain this 14 times and in this case I [TS]

00:09:23   feel like I feel like such a dope it's [TS]

00:09:25   like Godfather to I feel like I could [TS]

00:09:26   read that first issue I mean like so [TS]

00:09:29   many of them like gosh i'm sure we'll [TS]

00:09:31   get into some some of the amazing [TS]

00:09:32   storytelling [TS]

00:09:33   out of sequence and stuff like that but [TS]

00:09:35   you it takes several readings to really [TS]

00:09:38   appreciate how good that first issue is [TS]

00:09:39   where they do the equivalent jump jump [TS]

00:09:41   cuts of you know you see you see Clint [TS]

00:09:44   and then you see something's gonna [TS]

00:09:45   happen it's the same face with the [TS]

00:09:46   different background and you know that [TS]

00:09:48   you know it's being told out of sequence [TS]

00:09:49   but I mean you know I guess I'm I maybe [TS]

00:09:53   will eventually become famous for crying [TS]

00:09:54   whenever you mix but when I got to that [TS]

00:09:56   last page that was it i mean i was i was [TS]

00:09:59   hooked and it's i don't know i don't [TS]

00:10:03   want to be too effusive but i think it's [TS]

00:10:04   a very good comic and and yes especially [TS]

00:10:06   around 6i I love every issue but around [TS]

00:10:10   issue 6 it kind of goes to a different [TS]

00:10:12   level as far as I'm concerned but that [TS]

00:10:15   first issue is so he mean I mean most of [TS]

00:10:18   what I know about hoc bai Hawkeyes what [TS]

00:10:20   everybody else is like one of those [TS]

00:10:21   annoying unpowered guys with us he says [TS]

00:10:23   a Paleolithic you know weapon but now [TS]

00:10:26   that was it for me and I've I now it's [TS]

00:10:28   it's my favorite comic now [TS]

00:10:29   well Tony what about you I think I was a [TS]

00:10:33   referred to hawkeye by my buddy Jeremy [TS]

00:10:36   Goldstein who is basically my comics [TS]

00:10:38   filter Jeremy reads pretty much [TS]

00:10:40   everything and he you know tells me two [TS]

00:10:42   or three things a year that like I have [TS]

00:10:44   to go read and i usually i'm waiting for [TS]

00:10:46   the trades of those to come out and so i [TS]

00:10:49   think is 24 this year we're sagadahoc I [TS]

00:10:51   that worked out pretty good [TS]

00:10:52   he's got a good batting average uh-huh [TS]

00:10:53   and then you know I think I then go and [TS]

00:10:55   make Dan read that the really good stuff [TS]

00:10:57   right arm so in it you know I think it's [TS]

00:11:00   a great comic I I really got into it [TS]

00:11:01   first from the the first issue I i love [TS]

00:11:04   how dense it is in rereading it and kind [TS]

00:11:06   of forgotten that it's just 11 issues [TS]

00:11:08   because there's there's so many little [TS]

00:11:09   so rise in there [TS]

00:11:10   yeah and you know i usually comics like [TS]

00:11:12   will take a long time to tell the story [TS]

00:11:14   they have something that plays out issue [TS]

00:11:15   after issue and you know they do the [TS]

00:11:17   thing where there's kind of a [TS]

00:11:18   cliffhanger to get you to buy the next [TS]

00:11:19   issue and there's so many little stories [TS]

00:11:21   in hock I completely not conceptualized [TS]

00:11:24   in my head as 11 comic books right it's [TS]

00:11:26   it's because there's so many stories in [TS]

00:11:28   there [TS]

00:11:28   yeah and and it starts with standalone [TS]

00:11:30   stories which is also a razor and these [TS]

00:11:32   days and especially in in mainstream [TS]

00:11:34   comics like Marvel Comics Dan did and [TS]

00:11:37   you Tony told you to write down [TS]

00:11:39   well I mean tony was one source i [TS]

00:11:41   usually have like multiple sources so I [TS]

00:11:43   i would say mainly learned about it from [TS]

00:11:44   this whole place called the internet [TS]

00:11:46   know which you may have been [TS]

00:11:47   netop knows one of those things where [TS]

00:11:48   it's a critical mass thing just imagine [TS]

00:11:50   what should I read it yet what comic [TS]

00:11:52   book should I read on the internet is [TS]

00:11:54   like Hawkeye but I you know and i think [TS]

00:11:57   it's one of those things where it's a [TS]

00:11:58   critical mass and it builds and like [TS]

00:11:59   someone tells you we talked and then [TS]

00:12:00   you're like reading something else [TS]

00:12:01   somewhere that for me that's always the [TS]

00:12:03   real test is if I hear about it from one [TS]

00:12:05   source and I read about from like [TS]

00:12:06   someone who is in no way connected to [TS]

00:12:07   the first source and also says like hey [TS]

00:12:09   this is really good and like yeah I [TS]

00:12:11   trust both of those people's opinions on [TS]

00:12:12   things so this is clearly the [TS]

00:12:13   intersection of what is really good and [TS]

00:12:15   tony is my life I think of him more as [TS]

00:12:17   my Jeremy filter because I jeremy has a [TS]

00:12:20   lot of comic books it's like drugs in [TS]

00:12:22   reverse and only getting the computer [TS]

00:12:24   stuff you know it hasn't been stepped on [TS]

00:12:25   it but yeah you're gonna take ya if we [TS]

00:12:29   about the you know he tells me to watch [TS]

00:12:30   supernatural over and over again so yeah [TS]

00:12:33   it's true one day he'll listen [TS]

00:12:35   never yeah so I and and and like Tony I [TS]

00:12:39   you know I really enjoyed so much the [TS]

00:12:41   the first issue you know I i was [TS]

00:12:43   probably hooked from ok this looks bad [TS]

00:12:45   and yeah like that you know that's all I [TS]

00:12:48   really needed [TS]

00:12:49   it's been a long time since i've read a [TS]

00:12:53   comic [TS]

00:12:54   I and my wife doesn't read comics and [TS]

00:12:57   she never looked kind of got into it [TS]

00:12:59   never learned it it i cannot remember [TS]

00:13:01   the last time i had a comic that I [TS]

00:13:03   enjoyed so much that i said i'm going to [TS]

00:13:05   read some of this to you out loud [TS]

00:13:07   because it's really funny again i can't [TS]

00:13:11   find a park I and it's happened more [TS]

00:13:13   than once where I'm like oh my god you [TS]

00:13:15   should you should listen to this this is [TS]

00:13:16   hilarious and she's very kind and nods [TS]

00:13:20   and last appreciatively and makes you [TS]

00:13:22   know it'sit's that's nice dear but I had [TS]

00:13:24   a similar i had a similar experience [TS]

00:13:25   with it look it's it's getting iron man [TS]

00:13:28   to fix his TVs yes it would eat together [TS]

00:13:31   spider-man is making fun of wolverine [TS]

00:13:34   for being old [TS]

00:13:36   that's very like two panels and yet the [TS]

00:13:38   spoilers this blows no no cops no no [TS]

00:13:41   what could the that's right dog.com [TS]

00:13:43   laptops for greatest show ever [TS]

00:13:46   don't spoil me on the end of dog cops I [TS]

00:13:48   really wish they do a spin-off comic [TS]

00:13:50   we're just one issue and it's it's a dog [TS]

00:13:53   cops number one annual so we can [TS]

00:13:55   understand the greatness [TS]

00:13:58   did we ever really understand the [TS]

00:13:59   greatness that is a dog tops not seeing [TS]

00:14:01   without seeing this I never seen because [TS]

00:14:03   click it's a DVR and he's 20 * trying to [TS]

00:14:07   wire it like it's like defusing a bomb [TS]

00:14:09   acceptance letter bomb they're hooking [TS]

00:14:11   up that you know vcr to TV to DVD player [TS]

00:14:15   to DVR and getting it all connected [TS]

00:14:17   if only if only dr. drew were there [TS]

00:14:18   because he knew how to do for maybe we [TS]

00:14:21   knew from the mom from me [TS]

00:14:23   yeah i just love that hot guys are guys [TS]

00:14:25   like the only person in the Marvel [TS]

00:14:27   Universe you can refer to Natasha [TS]

00:14:28   Romanoff is work wife that just yeah [TS]

00:14:31   it's pretty great [TS]

00:14:32   yeah yeah so in in something that i [TS]

00:14:36   mentioned about a standalone quality [TS]

00:14:38   this issue one which I i started reading [TS]

00:14:41   issue 10 my god this is so great that [TS]

00:14:43   Jason pregnant was right i wish you [TS]

00:14:46   could be here to bask in the glory of [TS]

00:14:48   the of us thank you for recommending [TS]

00:14:51   this it's self-contained it is told out [TS]

00:14:54   of sequence as Merlin said I'm and in [TS]

00:14:57   fact one of the things that really blew [TS]

00:14:58   me away when we talk about the coloring [TS]

00:15:00   is that's your cue for the scene changes [TS]

00:15:06   is that an issue 1 the univ coloring is [TS]

00:15:09   distinct but the two different [TS]

00:15:11   timeframes actually have different [TS]

00:15:12   coloring and you can tell that you're in [TS]

00:15:14   a different place and you know colorists [TS]

00:15:16   are underappreciated i think in general [TS]

00:15:18   and comics but in hock I feel like the [TS]

00:15:21   color the color is a huge part of what [TS]

00:15:24   it is these it's a limited palette [TS]

00:15:26   there's a lot of purple which is hot [TS]

00:15:29   guys color and which you wouldn't think [TS]

00:15:31   it works that would mean that many [TS]

00:15:33   scenarios that he's got that tennis [TS]

00:15:35   thing he always wears it's like he's got [TS]

00:15:36   the silliest costumes every he's got a [TS]

00:15:38   silly mask that sometimes can be used to [TS]

00:15:40   cover is Johnson yeah but but he's got [TS]

00:15:42   such a silly outfit in and he's he's [TS]

00:15:45   just not [TS]

00:15:46   I you know I bet he's not one of those [TS]

00:15:48   guys were most people would say that's [TS]

00:15:50   my favorite Marvel superhero no no and [TS]

00:15:53   that's what makes this kind of kind of [TS]

00:15:54   brilliant how awesome is it though that [TS]

00:15:56   like he's a marksman with anything [TS]

00:15:58   yes yeah I can throw a shoe at you about [TS]

00:16:01   a lamp lantern corner lamp exactly so in [TS]

00:16:06   number one we meet the tracksuit mafia [TS]

00:16:07   who are are running of villains they're [TS]

00:16:10   the ones call everybody bro [TS]

00:16:11   well they have a vaguely Eastern [TS]

00:16:13   European accent they were tracksuits [TS]

00:16:16   they own Hawkeyes building and are [TS]

00:16:18   trying to get everybody out [TS]

00:16:20   so of course Hawkeye in it an issue 1 [TS]

00:16:23   basically he they tried they tried to [TS]

00:16:26   kill him to kick the kick there's one of [TS]

00:16:29   their like their dog who saves Clint [TS]

00:16:31   from being shot and they kicked the dog [TS]

00:16:33   into the street and Clint saves the dog [TS]

00:16:35   and takes him to the vet fix this dog [TS]

00:16:38   yeah but it's also it's also one of the [TS]

00:16:41   reasons i find it so touching and so [TS]

00:16:43   well done is it my daughter loves this [TS]

00:16:45   parody like when you see I think it's on [TS]

00:16:48   the first or second page in the first [TS]

00:16:50   note i guess for like page six it looks [TS]

00:16:52   like you see Clint so basically it [TS]

00:16:53   starts to get that wonderful panel in [TS]

00:16:55   the catchphrase this looks bad he's [TS]

00:16:56   falling out of a window he doesn't have [TS]

00:16:58   superpowers right and he's in the [TS]

00:16:59   hospital for six weeks [TS]

00:17:01   yeah and we only mention it because the [TS]

00:17:03   doctors reading like everything that's [TS]

00:17:05   wrong with him the whole long list of [TS]

00:17:06   all his broken parts you know I mean [TS]

00:17:09   it's so shattered her pelvis three [TS]

00:17:11   broken ribs sprain your neck and you [TS]

00:17:13   know i love that it's his injuries are [TS]

00:17:15   so well echoed by air Alex by the way up [TS]

00:17:19   by the pizza talk it's so touching you [TS]

00:17:20   know there is we start sounding like he [TS]

00:17:24   he starts out a rack he's already broken [TS]

00:17:26   at the being able to get hit by a car in [TS]

00:17:28   a way that I was adjacent you're coming [TS]

00:17:31   with the the color palette that reminded [TS]

00:17:34   me of the fact that in some ways Hawkeye [TS]

00:17:36   feels very much like it like that noir [TS]

00:17:38   and I feel like it accomplishes that to [TS]

00:17:41   a certain extent from the use of a [TS]

00:17:43   limited color palette which is obviously [TS]

00:17:44   you know a big deal and your movies too [TS]

00:17:46   and it's got that very you know plays [TS]

00:17:48   with that very moved quite monotone but [TS]

00:17:51   like it has a very monochromatic sort of [TS]

00:17:54   bed to it yet and i think that's that's [TS]

00:17:55   really interesting it does work really [TS]

00:17:56   really well he and willing and barton [TS]

00:17:59   Clint Barton is not i mean he he is sort [TS]

00:18:03   of the that nor protagonist right where [TS]

00:18:05   he is right he gets beaten you get the [TS]

00:18:07   crappy yeah he's messed up you get the [TS]

00:18:09   crap beaten out of them [TS]

00:18:10   he kinda you know he kinda means well [TS]

00:18:12   but he doesn't really make intelligent [TS]

00:18:15   decisions sometimes gets himself into a [TS]

00:18:17   lot of trouble he doesn't have a [TS]

00:18:19   genius-level IQ know in this and the [TS]

00:18:21   attraction mafia I mean these are guys [TS]

00:18:22   you don't mess with because there are [TS]

00:18:23   lots of them [TS]

00:18:24   and yet three as pocketbook and he [TS]

00:18:26   doesn't yeah he just doesn't care [TS]

00:18:28   and again he gets I mean that the real [TS]

00:18:30   challenge there is that he brings all [TS]

00:18:31   the people in this building where he's [TS]

00:18:33   basically trying to save them because [TS]

00:18:35   they're all being evicted because these [TS]

00:18:37   guys want to do something selfless [TS]

00:18:38   building or whatever they want to do it [TS]

00:18:40   and so he's he's helping them but it [TS]

00:18:44   doesn't necessarily make matters better [TS]

00:18:45   for the people in the building also [TS]

00:18:48   amazing is that it in the very beginning [TS]

00:18:50   of the first issue there's a party up on [TS]

00:18:54   the rooftop where they're where they're [TS]

00:18:55   grilling and we see all these characters [TS]

00:18:57   who then we learn more about as the [TS]

00:18:59   issues progress where you know all these [TS]

00:19:01   characters that you you meet later and [TS]

00:19:04   then you realize they're all present on [TS]

00:19:05   the building in the panels in the first [TS]

00:19:08   issue you just have including including [TS]

00:19:09   Mitzi Mitzi is right there on the old [TS]

00:19:12   lady's lap yeah the reason I'm yeah [TS]

00:19:15   oh the old lady we got it we got to talk [TS]

00:19:19   about her when we get to pieces my [TS]

00:19:21   business because there's a lot there but [TS]

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00:20:40   boyfriend are hilarious characters and [TS]

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00:21:55   ok so let's talk about hot guys some [TS]

00:21:57   more Marlon will cleanse I mean you see [TS]

00:21:59   is what you know one of the I listened [TS]

00:22:01   to an interview today with the two of [TS]

00:22:04   them fraction haha and so many great [TS]

00:22:07   quotes from that and one of things that [TS]

00:22:10   says was you know he's never had anybody [TS]

00:22:12   point out how often one of his [TS]

00:22:14   characters gets beat up again i wrote [TS]

00:22:16   the x-men you know he's always got the [TS]

00:22:19   he's covered with bandages he's always [TS]

00:22:21   beat up but it's in it's a nice echo of [TS]

00:22:23   his relationships with people like he's [TS]

00:22:24   always putting himself like in the [TS]

00:22:26   self-destructive situations and he's [TS]

00:22:28   part of the theme that continues to [TS]

00:22:30   emerge is how much she's like has [TS]

00:22:32   horrible relationships that is [TS]

00:22:33   constantly screwing up [TS]

00:22:34   oh yeah you know and it's just kind of [TS]

00:22:36   this weird like doofus just kind of [TS]

00:22:38   wandering through life and yet people [TS]

00:22:40   really like him has evidence by issues [TS]

00:22:43   you know number 9 through 11 mm so I [TS]

00:22:46   issue 2 continues the standalone story [TS]

00:22:51   line where we once it's terrible god [TS]

00:22:54   somebody to someone's home somebody do [TS]

00:22:56   something what we always start and we [TS]

00:22:58   start out with ok this looks bad again [TS]

00:23:00   in this case it diving into a into a [TS]

00:23:02   swimming pool and there's gunfire and [TS]

00:23:04   then we rewind and and we meet and and [TS]

00:23:07   this confused me a little bit not [TS]

00:23:08   knowing any sort of backstory here we [TS]

00:23:10   meet Kate bishop who is the other hot [TS]

00:23:12   guy she's like she's like replacement [TS]

00:23:14   Hawkeye except he isn't it is Hawkeye I [TS]

00:23:18   know he was not Hawkeye and dressed up [TS]

00:23:20   like a ninja for a while and was dead [TS]

00:23:21   for a while and all that but be that as [TS]

00:23:23   it may in the comics or like whatever [TS]

00:23:25   you know it was an injury-free doesn't [TS]

00:23:27   ring a while don't worry about it but [TS]

00:23:29   they're two hot guys so there's like him [TS]

00:23:31   and and she's not quite his apprentice [TS]

00:23:33   i'm at one point she says I you know I I [TS]

00:23:37   don't hang around with him he hangs [TS]

00:23:38   around with me which is a really great [TS]

00:23:40   line but we yeah well but we meet never [TS]

00:23:44   when she's extensor and with the fist [TS]

00:23:46   like he's much of his face t he called [TS]

00:23:49   her his board and then so I don't think [TS]

00:23:50   I know that we're going now she calls a [TS]

00:23:54   boss but I mean that they have this [TS]

00:23:56   interesting relationship where they're [TS]

00:23:56   both Hawkeyes and they're both they both [TS]

00:23:59   can can channel all right it's like Lady [TS]

00:24:01   hot guy [TS]

00:24:02   no she's not that young hot guy late kid [TS]

00:24:04   Hawkeye ok Hawkeye after you Hawkeye so [TS]

00:24:07   that's why the the inclusion of the [TS]

00:24:09   young avengers issue at the end of the [TS]

00:24:11   first train is just so awful it's it's [TS]

00:24:13   it's yeah it's like eating a snickers [TS]

00:24:15   after a really good meal where you like [TS]

00:24:17   okay if I had nothing else to eat all [TS]

00:24:19   day the snickers would be fine because [TS]

00:24:20   it would keep me alive and it doesn't [TS]

00:24:22   taste terrible but I've just had a [TS]

00:24:24   really great meal so why are you giving [TS]

00:24:26   me a fun size snickers but it but it's [TS]

00:24:27   actually written by Matt Fraction right [TS]

00:24:29   it's written by matt fraction but then [TS]

00:24:31   they ran it through like the idiot [TS]

00:24:32   filter or something well it's weird [TS]

00:24:34   because you see it you see parts of his [TS]

00:24:36   writing poke through [TS]

00:24:37   yeah and then and then it's it's it is [TS]

00:24:39   extra driving because I agree the [TS]

00:24:41   artists [TS]

00:24:41   oh it's so typically comic booky to me [TS]

00:24:44   like it's the kind of stuff i grew up [TS]

00:24:45   reading in the nineties so we're talking [TS]

00:24:47   about the art and this is one of the [TS]

00:24:49   interesting things about this is unlike [TS]

00:24:50   something like saga where Fiona staples [TS]

00:24:52   has done all the art Hawkeye has haha as [TS]

00:24:58   as the primary artist but we've got [TS]

00:25:00   several other issues with other [TS]

00:25:04   other artists there's some who does the [TS]

00:25:08   two-part tape that's a javier pollito [TS]

00:25:12   right and then there's the there's the [TS]

00:25:14   the hurricane issue that's got a [TS]

00:25:16   different artists and their strength via [TS]

00:25:18   in number 10 and number 12 to which [TS]

00:25:21   we're not talking about but so it's so [TS]

00:25:24   complete also to the annual which we're [TS]

00:25:27   not talking about but yeah I have [TS]

00:25:28   service so we've got these different we [TS]

00:25:32   got the different artists and what's [TS]

00:25:33   interesting about it is it's still hot i [TS]

00:25:36   and III found that kind of fascinating [TS]

00:25:39   it's like there is a there was a model [TS]

00:25:41   for what this comic is and so even when [TS]

00:25:43   it's a different artist that they're [TS]

00:25:45   trying to make it be of a kind so the [TS]

00:25:47   coloring August the colors just the same [TS]

00:25:49   the the panel layouts [TS]

00:25:51   yeah the these grids of lots of little [TS]

00:25:54   panels that happen in Hokkaido those [TS]

00:25:57   continue and I i like that sometimes [TS]

00:26:00   when artists change its really jarring [TS]

00:26:02   like not you know like I I'm not even [TS]

00:26:06   the same comic anymore and this I could [TS]

00:26:07   tell obviously the faces are different i [TS]

00:26:10   can tell the art was by a different [TS]

00:26:12   person but it still felt like Hawkeye [TS]

00:26:14   that that they wanted it to have that [TS]

00:26:16   same pacing and the same coloring and [TS]

00:26:20   you know and obviously the writing and [TS]

00:26:22   the tone of that is exactly the same the [TS]

00:26:24   hurricane sandy superstorm sandy one is [TS]

00:26:27   a perfect and there's a wonderful [TS]

00:26:30   composition where I'm Kate swimming [TS]

00:26:33   underwater through the parking garage [TS]

00:26:34   and yeah and then and then in New Jersey [TS]

00:26:37   yeah and the way the shot is composed [TS]

00:26:39   when she climbs out of the up the stairs [TS]

00:26:42   and out of the water is just phenomenal [TS]

00:26:44   and it's perfectly minimalist and you [TS]

00:26:47   can tell the different artists but it's [TS]

00:26:49   it captures the ethos of the entire [TS]

00:26:51   series which is that you would be doing [TS]

00:26:53   something super heroic but chances are [TS]

00:26:55   high that you're uncomfortable and angry [TS]

00:26:57   while you're doing it and it's in really [TS]

00:26:58   stupid circumstances and you know fifty [TS]

00:27:01   percent of the time it's not gonna work [TS]

00:27:02   out [TS]

00:27:02   it's just yeah you know that one was [TS]

00:27:05   jarring for me because I was so used to [TS]

00:27:06   well first of all I think you have to [TS]

00:27:07   give credit for the fact that clearly i [TS]

00:27:10   mean again in this podcast heard him [TS]

00:27:12   talking about this i mean there's floor [TS]

00:27:15   plans for everything everything is you [TS]

00:27:16   know the tone [TS]

00:27:17   is very much the same the building [TS]

00:27:19   always looks I mean you can still has [TS]

00:27:21   all the same layout the building always [TS]

00:27:23   looks the same [TS]

00:27:24   they're not it doesn't like the bat cave [TS]

00:27:25   where could look really different with [TS]

00:27:26   two different artists but i like the way [TS]

00:27:28   in that issue they also you know this is [TS]

00:27:30   a little bit reductive but you got New [TS]

00:27:31   York and you've got new jersey and [TS]

00:27:32   that's kind of the ten artists in some [TS]

00:27:34   ways it's it's a really nice break i am [TS]

00:27:36   I i actually some of the panels work [TS]

00:27:39   it's all dressed up you know and she's [TS]

00:27:41   pointing to have him get out of the [TS]

00:27:43   that's such a classic panel is she [TS]

00:27:45   making that angry kind of Charlie Brown [TS]

00:27:47   face and force them to get out [TS]

00:27:48   yes yeah that one stuck with me too it's [TS]

00:27:52   for you can kind of picture that almost [TS]

00:27:54   kinetically like in action right so good [TS]

00:27:56   it's weird i didn't i'm i'm a total [TS]

00:27:59   idiot didn't even realize that they were [TS]

00:28:00   like I i registered the different art [TS]

00:28:03   styles but I was just so wrapped up in [TS]

00:28:05   the story that it didn't even like the [TS]

00:28:07   practicality of like Oh clearly a [TS]

00:28:09   different person dropping this did not [TS]

00:28:10   happen permeate my brain yet to artists [TS]

00:28:12   and there's the care in how the artist [TS]

00:28:14   deployed that in the super firm stance [TS]

00:28:16   sandy issue which is very much written [TS]

00:28:18   topically and inserted in the run [TS]

00:28:20   because it happened and they wanted to [TS]

00:28:22   write a story about it and then sort of [TS]

00:28:24   the continuing story then continues the [TS]

00:28:26   next issue and and you get this done yet [TS]

00:28:29   another self-contained story in a single [TS]

00:28:30   issue which is great but it's the two [TS]

00:28:32   artists for the two different locales [TS]

00:28:34   and similarly we've seen in issue 10 [TS]

00:28:39   which is essentially it's it's Kate but [TS]

00:28:41   it's it's really told from the [TS]

00:28:42   perspective of the assassin there's a [TS]

00:28:45   different artist for that in the issue [TS]

00:28:48   where there are the the the the covers [TS]

00:28:52   the the comic book covers various of the [TS]

00:28:54   comics great [TS]

00:28:56   yeah that's right they have they have a [TS]

00:28:58   different artist draw those covers any [TS]

00:29:02   whoo-hoo-hoo and now what they're going [TS]

00:29:04   to be doing in in what will be the third [TS]

00:29:05   trade eventually is there's a story line [TS]

00:29:07   that's going to alternate between Clint [TS]

00:29:08   and kate and Rajas going to do Clint [TS]

00:29:11   story and he was going to do I believe [TS]

00:29:13   Kate story so they're they're trying to [TS]

00:29:16   have it be that the artists are [TS]

00:29:17   essentially standards for the for the [TS]

00:29:19   viewpoint character which is cool [TS]

00:29:23   that's a little art so as a way to deal [TS]

00:29:25   with the fact that that wa ha just he'd [TS]

00:29:28   do a full comic issue 1 month just [TS]

00:29:31   he can't do it so so they're they're [TS]

00:29:33   finding some other ways to do that [TS]

00:29:35   within the storytelling bounds which is [TS]

00:29:37   is a is very cool [TS]

00:29:39   Casca one logistical question that you [TS]

00:29:42   so much this is told out of sequence and [TS]

00:29:44   even in the trade in the second trade-in [TS]

00:29:45   little hits you probably noticed the [TS]

00:29:47   there about you know it goes seven i [TS]

00:29:50   literally just didn't notice that don't [TS]

00:29:52   write like seconds ago when I was like [TS]

00:29:54   waking up i think that's what says they [TS]

00:29:57   wanted to pop in and they jumped in the [TS]

00:29:58   continuity to do the sandy thing i think [TS]

00:30:00   what-whatever success story yeah yeah [TS]

00:30:03   because that's what that's what happens [TS]

00:30:04   is that six and eight really kind of [TS]

00:30:05   flow together but they inserted the [TS]

00:30:07   superstorm sandy issue [TS]

00:30:09   I'm really stupid but when so an issue 1 [TS]

00:30:11   Clint has that giant duffel bag of money [TS]

00:30:13   to buy the building for yeah that tracks [TS]

00:30:16   the Dracula's is that the money that he [TS]

00:30:18   gets an issue to from robbing the [TS]

00:30:19   robbers it suggested that some point [TS]

00:30:23   that he doesn't like it a lot of money [TS]

00:30:24   from his brother yeah it might be frying [TS]

00:30:26   it might be from his brother he also [TS]

00:30:27   mentions that he has no living expenses [TS]

00:30:29   and there's the throw throw a line where [TS]

00:30:31   he says he doesn't eat and I'm not she's [TS]

00:30:33   at the Avengers or on the roof yeah just [TS]

00:30:35   drinks coffee from the pot yes she does [TS]

00:30:38   yeah so so basically this is a guy in [TS]

00:30:40   peace slightly crappy crappy pizza that [TS]

00:30:43   he buys on the streets of New York and [TS]

00:30:45   feeds the dogs occasionally if he [TS]

00:30:47   doesn't like them such as such a [TS]

00:30:49   well-rounded character yeah you're right [TS]

00:30:50   well it that's all that is the constant [TS]

00:30:53   question Hawkeye is there are there's a [TS]

00:30:56   lot of mix-ups time sequences Merlin i [TS]

00:30:59   know i saw your I saw your note earlier [TS]

00:31:01   today of your of your outline document [TS]

00:31:04   for six nights in the life of Hawkeye [TS]

00:31:05   which it's six nights right before [TS]

00:31:07   christmas in the life of Hawkeye this is [TS]

00:31:10   issue 6 but they are not in any way [TS]

00:31:13   consecutive yeah right one always I end [TS]

00:31:16   up flipping back and forth I was [TS]

00:31:18   rereading it tonight and again trying to [TS]

00:31:19   like okay let me sort of like figure out [TS]

00:31:22   race how this exact they're dated I've [TS]

00:31:24   read it maybe six times and finally [TS]

00:31:26   reception he jumped into on the outliner [TS]

00:31:28   because i was like i'm gonna figure this [TS]

00:31:29   thing out and actually beautifully it [TS]

00:31:32   it's also send it to you it's very it's [TS]

00:31:34   a lot richer this way you realize it [TS]

00:31:36   tells this little story about him [TS]

00:31:37   deciding whether he's gonna you know [TS]

00:31:39   stereo and i have to say that I mean I [TS]

00:31:41   love them all [TS]

00:31:42   I really do love them all but you know [TS]

00:31:43   I'll [TS]

00:31:44   take the tape thing a lot the tape thing [TS]

00:31:46   really the two-parter on the the take of [TS]

00:31:48   him appearing to kill the guy i thought [TS]

00:31:49   that was really great especially as a [TS]

00:31:51   gate that the case that was fantastic [TS]

00:31:53   but to me six is where it really lit up [TS]

00:31:56   I mean that the opening scene where Tony [TS]

00:31:59   Stark you know can even in his darkest [TS]

00:32:01   by Manu audio-visual equipment yeah [TS]

00:32:03   because cutting the water there [TS]

00:32:05   diffusing their defusing a bomb except [TS]

00:32:07   it's actually just wiring this thing up [TS]

00:32:08   and and Tony Stark's like I'll just buy [TS]

00:32:10   you look forget it i'll just buy new [TS]

00:32:12   stuff and click click just wants his [TS]

00:32:14   laser discs but still watches laser [TS]

00:32:15   discs yes she finds her ASAP later yeah [TS]

00:32:18   well in the out-of-sequence stuff where [TS]

00:32:20   he's trying to keep the you know the [TS]

00:32:21   tracks of mafia from you know killing [TS]

00:32:23   people with everybody in the building [TS]

00:32:24   right and everyone in the building and [TS]

00:32:26   then the weaved in with the subplot [TS]

00:32:28   where Simone and her kids they can't [TS]

00:32:30   watch the Christmas special because he [TS]

00:32:31   accidentally shot an arrow into the [TS]

00:32:32   satellite dish right which window switch [TS]

00:32:34   we kind of learned in reverse and later [TS]

00:32:36   we find out why the arrow ends up there [TS]

00:32:37   is because he's firing at the tracksuit [TS]

00:32:39   mafia but he gets punched as he's firing [TS]

00:32:42   that arrow and it goes in their [TS]

00:32:43   satellite dish instead but that's clever [TS]

00:32:46   and it works better than you know in [TS]

00:32:47   some ways there than in linear order it [TS]

00:32:51   gets to what she said from the beginning [TS]

00:32:52   that Jason which is that these really do [TS]

00:32:54   stand alone on their own if you can you [TS]

00:32:56   know it's like reading Shakespeare you [TS]

00:32:57   can't read too fast or too slow [TS]

00:32:58   like if you go through this at the right [TS]

00:33:00   speed and just look over the parts you [TS]

00:33:02   don't understand right away you'll get [TS]

00:33:03   through each one of these and it's still [TS]

00:33:04   a complete the light but in retrospect I [TS]

00:33:06   mean what you mean [TS]

00:33:08   let's jump to for her but you look at [TS]

00:33:09   that scene of everybody on the roof an [TS]

00:33:12   issue one where grills is out there yeah [TS]

00:33:13   and every i add swear to God I read [TS]

00:33:16   these things over and over I didn't [TS]

00:33:18   catch this for so many you're so much [TS]

00:33:19   like it's not parody was sort of looking [TS]

00:33:21   for but echoes so you see all this [TS]

00:33:23   characters shown in foreshadowing sure [TS]

00:33:26   and didn't jump to 11 and when pizza dog [TS]

00:33:29   is detecting who everybody is and it's [TS]

00:33:30   all people that were on the roof in [TS]

00:33:32   issue 1 [TS]

00:33:33   yes absolutely you know we get a little [TS]

00:33:35   taste of them like talking talking to [TS]

00:33:37   the girl who's the bike messenger you [TS]

00:33:38   know with it with the pink hair and my [TS]

00:33:40   absolute favorite is again in that in [TS]

00:33:43   yeah i think it's six where Clint [TS]

00:33:45   finally decides it's past midnight the [TS]

00:33:47   next day and he goes outside with a bow [TS]

00:33:49   and arrow and stands in front of the [TS]

00:33:50   building right now he's going to affect [TS]

00:33:52   the building from the bad guys it's such [TS]

00:33:54   a beautiful image that I would love to [TS]

00:33:56   have a pose [TS]

00:33:56   and then flip to 11 and it's the same [TS]

00:33:59   thing but it's pizza dog standing in [TS]

00:34:00   exactly the same place in front of [TS]

00:34:02   exactly the same building but with no [TS]

00:34:03   color because it's colored one and he's [TS]

00:34:05   smelling everything and hearing [TS]

00:34:06   everything instead is that takes that [TS]

00:34:09   that's a lot of work and it's not [TS]

00:34:11   they're not they're not like stepping on [TS]

00:34:12   the accelerator going to look how clever [TS]

00:34:14   we are but they have all these little [TS]

00:34:16   threads to get picked up its careful [TS]

00:34:18   here we go take a drink like the wire [TS]

00:34:20   where you go I never realized that would [TS]

00:34:22   become you know I'm so glad you [TS]

00:34:23   mentioned that because one of the things [TS]

00:34:24   I i was thinking as I went back and [TS]

00:34:26   reread this is I thought that [TS]

00:34:27   stylistically this reminds me a lot of [TS]

00:34:29   mad men with the lushness and attention [TS]

00:34:31   to detail and the way it embraces [TS]

00:34:33   mid-century modern aesthetic especially [TS]

00:34:35   with the lines in whichever one is drawn [TS]

00:34:37   and then I thought but the plotting and [TS]

00:34:39   the rich background or more like the [TS]

00:34:41   wire so it's kind of mad men times the [TS]

00:34:43   wire / Marvel equals this comic don't [TS]

00:34:47   forget those the new our stuff here so [TS]

00:34:49   you have to run like the big sleep in it [TS]

00:34:51   ok yeah ok yeah that was throwing a [TS]

00:34:53   little bit i just napping with your bad [TS]

00:34:55   is your what is is that the wire you're [TS]

00:34:56   absolutely right though because it's [TS]

00:34:58   just it's very textured and I get the [TS]

00:34:59   feeling that fraction probably has like [TS]

00:35:01   an entire wall of his office just [TS]

00:35:02   devoted to putting up posters and [TS]

00:35:05   throwing strings between things [TS]

00:35:06   newspaper scraps and yarn either [TS]

00:35:10   tracking a serial killer or mapping out [TS]

00:35:12   hot guy it's unclear with well you know [TS]

00:35:14   if he could do like three-dimensional [TS]

00:35:15   holographic could do like [TS]

00:35:16   three-dimensional holographic modeling I [TS]

00:35:18   get the feeling he'd probably do that [TS]

00:35:19   too but it's aight i will eat my hat if [TS]

00:35:24   I find out that he hasn't already [TS]

00:35:25   thought this thing through all the way [TS]

00:35:26   to issue 24 and beyond yes it's just [TS]

00:35:28   there's it it's insanely layered what [TS]

00:35:32   about hot guys redheaded lady friend we [TS]

00:35:34   meet her [TS]

00:35:35   we meet her an issue 3 and then she [TS]

00:35:37   returns to make more trouble [TS]

00:35:40   she is the wife of one of the bros of [TS]

00:35:42   the track tracks in mafia is ok can get [TS]

00:35:45   new wife [TS]

00:35:46   yeah so interest interesting we get the [TS]

00:35:49   femme fatale all dan for your your your [TS]

00:35:51   nor she's gotta dodge challenger who is [TS]

00:35:55   car he says hey I always wanted a car [TS]

00:35:57   like that and then of course they end up [TS]

00:35:58   ramming it in in Kate's little uh little [TS]

00:36:01   folks will be other buttery volkswagen [TS]

00:36:04   well I love it with little details thing [TS]

00:36:06   that i love is that in in the that [TS]

00:36:08   before that her beetle is like a class [TS]

00:36:10   take vintage beetle and after that it's [TS]

00:36:11   one of the brand new ones like is subtle [TS]

00:36:14   but they like like one of the later [TS]

00:36:16   issues when they show it's the and I [TS]

00:36:17   mean like the last year's model would [TS]

00:36:19   like the sort of roadster looking thing [TS]

00:36:21   which I just thought was I didn't catch [TS]

00:36:23   that the first time around I just like [TS]

00:36:24   that and they have I mean there's no [TS]

00:36:27   modern cars there right he's got the [TS]

00:36:29   dodge the Challenger Kate has the [TS]

00:36:31   old-timey beetle and then the ridiculous [TS]

00:36:33   tracksuit mafia in there minis Jason yes [TS]

00:36:36   you're unfamiliar number took his yeah [TS]

00:36:38   because you're doing the things look at [TS]

00:36:39   the winter dress to there's a lot of [TS]

00:36:41   vintage and going on because when you [TS]

00:36:42   see the music of Natasha Bobby and [TS]

00:36:46   Jessica Hahn [TS]

00:36:47   oh yeah i mean that's that's completely [TS]

00:36:49   that's that's clearly meant to evoke [TS]

00:36:52   austin powers / james bond / ya go [TS]

00:36:54   dancing / laugh-in yeah you kind of [TS]

00:36:57   picture Jessica drew as like Megan [TS]

00:37:00   Draper a little bit your mind is [TS]

00:37:02   strawberry strawberry Jessica / a it's [TS]

00:37:05   amazing yeah generally not drawn like [TS]

00:37:07   how i view these characters in the [TS]

00:37:09   Marvel Universe there [TS]

00:37:10   yeah there's something completely [TS]

00:37:12   different here well it's really smart [TS]

00:37:13   but what they do with black widow too [TS]

00:37:15   because they've completely avoided [TS]

00:37:16   making her look like scarlett johansson [TS]

00:37:18   and reshape perform well in units and [TS]

00:37:21   like they're there they're beautiful [TS]

00:37:23   they look really beautiful but they're [TS]

00:37:24   not freakish I mean I'm a huge spider [TS]

00:37:26   woman fan i really like Spider Woman but [TS]

00:37:28   sometimes I'm not to go into a whole [TS]

00:37:31   thing but I guess she must be kind of a [TS]

00:37:32   buxom lady but the way they draw her is [TS]

00:37:34   sometimes but you know Emma Frost you [TS]

00:37:37   can expect that but but with you know [TS]

00:37:38   with Jessica it gets a little [TS]

00:37:40   over-the-top and the reason i mention [TS]

00:37:41   Spider Woman is you know Matt's wife [TS]

00:37:43   Kelly Kelly sue deconnick does the [TS]

00:37:46   wonderful Captain Marvel and it's so [TS]

00:37:47   funny to my favorite relationships in [TS]

00:37:49   the Marvel Universe are well I mean you [TS]

00:37:52   know Carol and and using spider-woman [TS]

00:37:55   have such a great relationship and I [TS]

00:37:58   love the relationship that with the [TS]

00:37:59   non-relationship the failed relationship [TS]

00:38:01   that she has with Clint I think it's [TS]

00:38:02   kind of great i love the way this [TS]

00:38:03   universe go together without needing a [TS]

00:38:05   big you know Santos crossover or [TS]

00:38:07   something like that I like that the [TS]

00:38:09   inmate in the am in the in the North [TS]

00:38:12   thing to not only do we do some Clint [TS]

00:38:14   beats a meets the lady with the car and [TS]

00:38:16   it turns out that she's she's got some [TS]

00:38:18   trouble [TS]

00:38:19   my bad penny and they end up and they [TS]

00:38:20   end up in bed together and all that but [TS]

00:38:22   then she comes back and it turns out [TS]

00:38:23   that [TS]

00:38:24   Stephen she needs his help again and [TS]

00:38:25   it's even she's even more trouble and [TS]

00:38:27   she gets him and he you know he's [TS]

00:38:29   committing crimes and it's and and he [TS]

00:38:32   anchors all of the the underworld boxes [TS]

00:38:34   because of a girl and you know other [TS]

00:38:36   than ok it looks it looks bad [TS]

00:38:38   you could easily have said well it all [TS]

00:38:41   happened because of a girl because that [TS]

00:38:42   is that is exactly what happens and it's [TS]

00:38:45   just it's I i really like those i really [TS]

00:38:48   like those issues and I like the fact [TS]

00:38:49   that there's a follow-up issue that's [TS]

00:38:51   the that's the complete opposites begins [TS]

00:38:54   exactly the same way and then traces the [TS]

00:38:57   story through the three women that we [TS]

00:38:58   ran into in the previous issue that's [TS]

00:39:00   another camera case where the story is [TS]

00:39:01   now not self-contained and doubling back [TS]

00:39:04   on itself in one issue but instead [TS]

00:39:05   you've got these parallel issues that [TS]

00:39:07   are that are building on each other so [TS]

00:39:10   it's a another way I I feel like [TS]

00:39:12   sometimes with the way we describe this [TS]

00:39:14   we're saying look at this puzzle box of [TS]

00:39:16   intricacy it's not really something you [TS]

00:39:18   can appreciate so much as appreciate the [TS]

00:39:20   workmanship but not you can enjoy it and [TS]

00:39:22   it's not true [TS]

00:39:23   this is an incredibly fun enjoyable [TS]

00:39:26   thing to read it's just that as you're [TS]

00:39:28   reading you're thinking well wait a [TS]

00:39:29   second that's just like that thing that [TS]

00:39:30   happened earlier and you realize that it [TS]

00:39:32   it's great on the surface but then [TS]

00:39:35   underneath it there is this huge [TS]

00:39:36   structure that's being built up that [TS]

00:39:39   unlike the guy i posted a link on [TS]

00:39:41   twitter a while ago about the guy who [TS]

00:39:43   says that if I can't read it and [TS]

00:39:44   understand the first time it's not worth [TS]

00:39:45   it [TS]

00:39:46   ok alright well I can appreciate Hawkeye [TS]

00:39:49   the first time but if you read it again [TS]

00:39:51   suddenly it's that much more interesting [TS]

00:39:54   and some comics you can do that and [TS]

00:39:55   that's why i love comics and some comics [TS]

00:39:57   you can [TS]

00:39:58   well you read closer to I mean you know [TS]

00:40:01   what we have talked probably at some [TS]

00:40:02   point about issue 11 but why things [TS]

00:40:03   hidden behind backs of panels right fish [TS]

00:40:07   but the issue 11 you know for me was [TS]

00:40:09   like alright I'm going to go very [TS]

00:40:11   carefully through all these panels and [TS]

00:40:13   then all the icons repeating things and [TS]

00:40:15   like think about them and figure out [TS]

00:40:17   okay i understand what is happening [TS]

00:40:18   there but we which is amazing with issue [TS]

00:40:21   with almost no words that has spent [TS]

00:40:23   longer on it than I do on most issues [TS]

00:40:25   that have words like when you get to the [TS]

00:40:27   last page of you know 11 i think it is [TS]

00:40:30   great that they stopped at 11-12 is [TS]

00:40:31   fantastic until and the annular both [TS]

00:40:33   really good but 11 is a perfect place to [TS]

00:40:34   stop a lot of ways but you know again I [TS]

00:40:36   have as much a time [TS]

00:40:37   but i just-i i think that is it [TS]

00:40:41   what are the two that were just talking [TS]

00:40:43   about seven and eight hours are eight [TS]

00:40:45   nine I guess 89 of the ones with penny [TS]

00:40:47   or AKA cherry yeah a time and but but [TS]

00:40:51   like you get to appear on the [TS]

00:40:53   penultimate pages that wonderful seen [TS]

00:40:55   mrs. chewing on a bone grills is [TS]

00:40:57   grilling right and and of course plan is [TS]

00:41:00   up there having a beer and talking to [TS]

00:41:02   girls and girls giving him advice and if [TS]

00:41:04   you just look at that point with page [TS]

00:41:05   like this is really great it's so warm [TS]

00:41:07   he's had this relationship with grills [TS]

00:41:08   he's finally learned his name and then [TS]

00:41:11   you flip the page was finally was game [TS]

00:41:14   and Paige don't involve and I've also [TS]

00:41:15   contended that that who's on first [TS]

00:41:17   moment of like hot guy hot [TS]

00:41:19   oh no I got hot guy no I I you you young [TS]

00:41:24   guy like Nash I guess what that way is [TS]

00:41:27   wearing my shirt I got my hot shirt but [TS]

00:41:29   that one that one thing right there you [TS]

00:41:31   you would just look at that people take [TS]

00:41:33   awhile that's really well done flipped [TS]

00:41:34   over 10 the club there's the clown many [TS]

00:41:37   kill drills but then that's the basis [TS]

00:41:40   for that's the basis for 11 [TS]

00:41:43   you don't know that yet so Yuri 10 which [TS]

00:41:45   i think i love the different style i [TS]

00:41:46   think it's great and you get a 10 you're [TS]

00:41:48   like wait a minute wait a minute would [TS]

00:41:49   you ever guess that the end of 10 is [TS]

00:41:52   what's happening at the same time as [TS]

00:41:53   what's happening in on the roof [TS]

00:41:55   no number nine and then you see the [TS]

00:41:57   clown walked by the window it's totally [TS]

00:41:58   bananas so here's the thing that they [TS]

00:42:00   this somebody on Twitter who said i [TS]

00:42:03   think that i think the second set wasn't [TS]

00:42:06   as strong as the first set I i I'm going [TS]

00:42:09   to disagree with that I i know i don't [TS]

00:42:11   agree with that but here's the thing as [TS]

00:42:12   i was reading 6 7 8 9 10 i was thinking [TS]

00:42:16   hot it's not what I what I had before [TS]

00:42:20   right it's not what I liked about it [TS]

00:42:22   when it started was issue 1 2 & 3 where [TS]

00:42:25   stand-alones issue 4 and 5 not as funny [TS]

00:42:28   they're not as like funny was a [TS]

00:42:29   two-parter they weren't they aren't as [TS]

00:42:31   funny the dialogue isn't as wacky but [TS]

00:42:33   looking back on it now and seeing that [TS]

00:42:35   if you take the hurricane issue out six [TS]

00:42:38   eight nine ten eleven are essentially [TS]

00:42:41   like overlaid with one another telling [TS]

00:42:44   one story because of course the end of [TS]

00:42:46   nine is led up to and it's also the end [TS]

00:42:48   of 10 and it also happens to be covered [TS]

00:42:51   I issue 11 then I find it incredibly [TS]

00:42:54   satisfying to look at that as a set of [TS]

00:42:57   issues and realize that it's telling [TS]

00:42:58   this one story and all these different [TS]

00:43:00   ways but when you're in the middle of [TS]

00:43:02   that I can sort of see it's like wow [TS]

00:43:03   this is different and i'm not quite sure [TS]

00:43:05   what's going on and now there's a cliff [TS]

00:43:06   hangers and you know and back used to be [TS]

00:43:08   self-contained now its cliffhanger [TS]

00:43:09   what's going on but I can't you know [TS]

00:43:12   having read that whole sequence now i [TS]

00:43:14   can't i can't say that because now i see [TS]

00:43:18   what it was building too and it makes me [TS]

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00:44:57   we talk about pizza dog yeah so the dog [TS]

00:45:01   is introduced a number one so you need [TS]

00:45:02   to keep an eye on things you instantly [TS]

00:45:04   loved him [TS]

00:45:04   he Hawkeye finds him and feed him his [TS]

00:45:07   crappy pizza [TS]

00:45:08   yeah I didn't want anyways crappy pizza [TS]

00:45:10   and the the bros in the tracksuit mafia [TS]

00:45:12   get distracted by him because they're [TS]

00:45:15   trying to kill Hawkeye and they kicked [TS]

00:45:16   him in the street and Hawkeye saves is [TS]

00:45:18   saved his life it's not my dog take some [TS]

00:45:20   home we find out that his name is arrow [TS]

00:45:22   in the very last page of the first issue [TS]

00:45:25   and he says I'll give you a better name [TS]

00:45:28   its lucky all AKP dog so an issue 11 it [TS]

00:45:34   is I would actually say it's yeah I the [TS]

00:45:38   best I don't know it is it is one of the [TS]

00:45:40   most remarkable if not the most [TS]

00:45:42   remarkable comic book issue i've ever [TS]

00:45:44   read its told entirely from the [TS]

00:45:46   perspective of the dog there are very [TS]

00:45:48   few words that are understandable in it [TS]

00:45:50   because dogs don't understand a whole [TS]

00:45:51   lot of words it's got this entire set of [TS]

00:45:55   symbols as Dan was saying earlier that [TS]

00:45:57   indicate facts that are known by the dog [TS]

00:46:00   based on smells or faces about everybody [TS]

00:46:04   in the building and show the chain of [TS]

00:46:06   associations that he makes to get from [TS]

00:46:08   this smell to that person his senses and [TS]

00:46:10   the way that he sends his things and the [TS]

00:46:12   way the colors are handled where the did [TS]

00:46:15   you know that the dog senses are not [TS]

00:46:16   like human senses [TS]

00:46:17   it's got the saul bass style pizza is my [TS]

00:46:20   business overhead shot which i have on a [TS]

00:46:22   t-shirt [TS]

00:46:23   um yeah yeah and it's got and it's yet [TS]

00:46:27   its own it's also with a little mini war [TS]

00:46:29   where there's a femme fatale all and [TS]

00:46:31   it's a dog has his own set of adventures [TS]

00:46:34   and it's it's amazing and i remember [TS]

00:46:36   reading this very clearly on an airplane [TS]

00:46:38   and turning 22 my wife who is sitting [TS]

00:46:41   across the island and saying oh my God [TS]

00:46:43   look at this again she humored me was [TS]

00:46:46   like huh dog [TS]

00:46:47   alright but it's like you it's good but [TS]

00:46:49   it's crazy it's amazing absolutely [TS]

00:46:52   amazing [TS]

00:46:53   well the thing that got me when I was [TS]

00:46:54   rereading it this time and you just [TS]

00:46:56   mentioned there you know there's not a [TS]

00:46:57   lot of words because doctors and what [TS]

00:46:58   words was how many of the words were [TS]

00:47:00   like these are words dogs would know [TS]

00:47:02   yes and no the one that got me was the [TS]

00:47:03   one work it's fixing his tie and says [TS]

00:47:05   collar stays and my collar stays [TS]

00:47:08   yes those are both those are both worth [TS]

00:47:10   the dogs okay dr. not understand what a [TS]

00:47:12   collar stay is but like yeah okay [TS]

00:47:14   apparently fraction also talked to a [TS]

00:47:16   somebody new who is polish and tried to [TS]

00:47:19   get what what somebody who speaks polish [TS]

00:47:21   would say as commands to dogs [TS]

00:47:24   yes so the things that I said that they [TS]

00:47:25   could have it when he hears the [TS]

00:47:26   tracksuit guys talking he understands [TS]

00:47:28   those words because they were the words [TS]

00:47:30   that they used to say to him when he was [TS]

00:47:31   their dog in Trivial toe [TS]

00:47:33   I know your brother's wife is broke [TS]

00:47:37   yeah also a hawk i is say it so it [TS]

00:47:40   doesn't i er work but you know there was [TS]

00:47:42   like like but don't have very much again [TS]

00:47:47   this is the just for people who are just [TS]

00:47:48   kind of getting started with this that [TS]

00:47:49   might miss it [TS]

00:47:50   so if you go and look at that amazing [TS]

00:47:51   first page you see darkness which i [TS]

00:47:54   always take me that maybe he's sleeping [TS]

00:47:55   that lucky sleeping and then you see a [TS]

00:47:57   big h and then what what what [TS]

00:48:00   it's now you guys know this is gonna [TS]

00:48:01   sound I think well yeah we'll flip back [TS]

00:48:03   in your trade four pages and that's the [TS]

00:48:06   exact conversation conversation yeah he [TS]

00:48:08   was having with Kate you know and so I [TS]

00:48:12   what I i miss that I totally missed that [TS]

00:48:14   we first time I read it and I also [TS]

00:48:16   thought why are they getting where they [TS]

00:48:17   can understand where they going to a [TS]

00:48:18   wedding like what's the problem know [TS]

00:48:20   where the girl is the girl's funeral and [TS]

00:48:23   girls is funeral [TS]

00:48:24   it's ya again points points of view [TS]

00:48:26   though because I mean you think there's [TS]

00:48:27   a dog eating a bone you see that twice [TS]

00:48:29   like that but that's that's is [TS]

00:48:32   suspenseful tell Mitzi oh yeah it's au [TS]

00:48:36   capricious bitch [TS]

00:48:38   so here's here's the thing that that is [TS]

00:48:40   the the mind-blowing thing is he finds [TS]

00:48:43   he finds the clown and the bros up on [TS]

00:48:45   the roof where they return to the scene [TS]

00:48:47   of a crime and he attacks them because [TS]

00:48:51   he knows the smell of the of the clown [TS]

00:48:53   of the killer [TS]

00:48:54   yes and they fire at the dog and and the [TS]

00:48:57   dog pushes them off the edge of the [TS]

00:49:00   building and then there's black and what [TS]

00:49:03   we see is the old lady and the clown and [TS]

00:49:06   one of the bros and the dog are all in [TS]

00:49:09   her apartment and she's serving them tea [TS]

00:49:11   is the close-up on her name her necklace [TS]

00:49:14   is a gun [TS]

00:49:15   yeah and we realize that this lady is [TS]

00:49:18   with the tracksuit mafia i think the [TS]

00:49:21   first shot you see of i don't know his [TS]

00:49:23   name is actually called Ivan but Clint [TS]

00:49:24   calls him ivan the first traction mafia [TS]

00:49:26   guy back an issue 1 [TS]

00:49:28   is wearing that yeah or you know is [TS]

00:49:30   equivalent of that necklace totally do [TS]

00:49:32   not get so but they don't kill the dog [TS]

00:49:34   the dog is you know the dog is but lucky [TS]

00:49:36   you know escapes and he runs away when [TS]

00:49:39   he hears a wetland yeah what we got me [TS]

00:49:42   that time was actually to speak to that [TS]

00:49:43   the the thing that you the necklace i [TS]

00:49:45   sort of pause that but everything I [TS]

00:49:46   realized this time looking closely at [TS]

00:49:48   the panels like clowns still wearing the [TS]

00:49:50   clown makeup and it's not like with some [TS]

00:49:52   of the nation's collective screwed with [TS]

00:49:53   pancreatic uncertainty that seems that [TS]

00:49:56   seemed off an Eastern European accent [TS]

00:49:57   and I just I so much your dreams now [TS]

00:49:59   when you switch back to the first trade [TS]

00:50:01   and you realize she's sitting right in [TS]

00:50:02   the middle of the rooftop with on ATM [TS]

00:50:04   and she's the one who kind of makes [TS]

00:50:07   disparaging comments and clean yeah must [TS]

00:50:09   be money money just money must be nice [TS]

00:50:12   to say i read this the first time I'm [TS]

00:50:13   like I'm not entirely sure what's going [TS]

00:50:14   on and I wrote the second time was like [TS]

00:50:16   oh oh yeah oh oh lady you [TS]

00:50:20   you betrayer of what I mean she's not [TS]

00:50:22   she's loyal to the people that [TS]

00:50:24   presumably that they put her up in the [TS]

00:50:25   apartment in their building perfectly [TS]

00:50:28   normal that they would do that anybody [TS]

00:50:31   hears that lucky here is that the the [TS]

00:50:33   somebody's coming to the door and [TS]

00:50:35   opening the door and it's another track [TS]

00:50:36   suit guy and he he bolts out [TS]

00:50:38   well the early on doesn't even say [TS]

00:50:40   something about it you know he's raising [TS]

00:50:43   the rent is tripling the right to get [TS]

00:50:45   them out of the building and clips like [TS]

00:50:46   i'll give you the money its annual some [TS]

00:50:48   money on something out about them so I'm [TS]

00:50:50   thinking she's she's the immediate [TS]

00:50:53   memory stating the obvious but I think [TS]

00:50:54   she's some kind of ring later and [TS]

00:50:57   there's something else it's gonna happen [TS]

00:50:57   with that building we just haven't seen [TS]

00:50:59   yet [TS]

00:50:59   my guess is that by the way they go over [TS]

00:51:01   the roof we don't see what's happened my [TS]

00:51:03   guess is that they slam into a fire [TS]

00:51:05   escape or something because otherwise [TS]

00:51:07   he's okay they would die you're hit well [TS]

00:51:09   you know and the one tracks your guy has [TS]

00:51:11   like his leg is all bandaged up right [TS]

00:51:12   yeah it and the dog he's still there's [TS]

00:51:14   okay so obviously they didn't fall to [TS]

00:51:16   their death because they're not that [TS]

00:51:17   yeah but who knows maybe they're playing [TS]

00:51:20   some other crazy trick on us there [TS]

00:51:22   anymore you know one of the tracks you [TS]

00:51:23   guys is dead under one of them fall off [TS]

00:51:26   the roof yet is she pretty [TS]

00:51:28   yeah we see only see the guide the ball [TS]

00:51:29   don't lie right that's not the guy who [TS]

00:51:31   is actually his owner right like that [TS]

00:51:33   somehow lucky maybe or lucky was lucky [TS]

00:51:35   and landed on that the guy or something [TS]

00:51:38   I don't know when we see his shoe right [TS]

00:51:40   like a shoe [TS]

00:51:41   right in the next shot but they don't [TS]

00:51:43   but they don't kill the dog and the dog [TS]

00:51:45   escapes so I think there's it's very [TS]

00:51:47   mysterious and I wonder if there's more [TS]

00:51:49   to be clarified there but that this [TS]

00:51:51   doesn't this leaves out the lab most [TS]

00:51:53   important thing which closes the second [TS]

00:51:54   trade which is a kate and and Clint have [TS]

00:51:58   a conversation that we don't understand [TS]

00:51:59   because we're just in the perspective of [TS]

00:52:01   a dog and she says goodbye and and [TS]

00:52:05   that's shocking and she's leaving with [TS]

00:52:08   her stuff and then she calls lucky and [TS]

00:52:11   he comes and they both leave and they [TS]

00:52:13   get my car in the drive to California [TS]

00:52:14   huh with a couple stops along alone why [TS]

00:52:17   stops along the way [TS]

00:52:18   yeah why for pete's sake why lucky sake [TS]

00:52:23   yeah I don't know I don't know the dogs [TS]

00:52:25   don't understand why these people do [TS]

00:52:26   what they do we'll be back [TS]

00:52:30   they killed captain america he came back [TS]

00:52:31   and we gotta go get on a plane [TS]

00:52:36   yes i would i would read that issue [TS]

00:52:39   well if you want to know what happens [TS]

00:52:40   next to Kate you have to read a Hawkeye [TS]

00:52:42   annual number one which is Kate's first [TS]

00:52:45   adventures upon reaching Los Angeles now [TS]

00:52:48   I have to get a comic book store and do [TS]

00:52:49   that yeah you know what [TS]

00:52:51   thanks Jason yea madam ass comes back [TS]

00:52:54   though who we saw in issues four and [TS]

00:52:56   five [TS]

00:52:57   yeah I didn't realize in the first the [TS]

00:53:00   first time [TS]

00:53:01   what's the issue where afterwards like [TS]

00:53:03   the the kingpins like all right we gotta [TS]

00:53:05   kill kill [TS]

00:53:07   Hawkeye cuz he's causing us trouble and [TS]

00:53:09   losing is money and all the they've got [TS]

00:53:11   like sort of their assortment of you [TS]

00:53:15   know crime lords or what have you but a [TS]

00:53:16   lot of them are at the hotel in issue to [TS]

00:53:19   write when the one that's crazy circus [TS]

00:53:22   folks are robbing everyone Robin had a [TS]

00:53:24   mascara is in the background there i [TS]

00:53:26   think which I didn't realize until [TS]

00:53:28   rereading it who were shadowing you know [TS]

00:53:31   what this this comic definitely has its [TS]

00:53:33   cast of characters right and they keep [TS]

00:53:36   bringing the mask is also funny because [TS]

00:53:40   one of the things that place on it is [TS]

00:53:41   she's a her bizarre kind of backstory [TS]

00:53:44   and lack of understanding of humanity [TS]

00:53:47   and this comes back in the annual but [TS]

00:53:49   where she does that thing where she's [TS]

00:53:51   like [TS]

00:53:52   your kid kids smoke do you have any [TS]

00:53:54   cigarettes and kids like what are you [TS]

00:53:56   talking about and I i assume that it's [TS]

00:53:59   also a commentary on Joe casadas [TS]

00:54:02   no-smoking policy and marvel comics [TS]

00:54:04   which I don't mind but it's kind of I [TS]

00:54:06   think it's kind of I think it's kind of [TS]

00:54:08   funny and i think it's i suspect that is [TS]

00:54:09   part of the commentary there but also we [TS]

00:54:11   just something about Madame masque is [TS]

00:54:13   this bizarre creature who is like not [TS]

00:54:16   connected to because she's like this [TS]

00:54:18   crazy crime lady who walks around in the [TS]

00:54:21   gold mask all the time and so I kind of [TS]

00:54:22   enjoy that she's portrayed as being like [TS]

00:54:24   completely disconnected from interacting [TS]

00:54:27   with other humans and I loved her [TS]

00:54:30   I like that she is a backup mask 4k to [TS]

00:54:32   steal that lets you you never travel [TS]

00:54:35   with just one mass come home you gotta [TS]

00:54:36   have the back of mass and then she's and [TS]

00:54:38   a wig [TS]

00:54:39   yeah it matches her natural hair yeah [TS]

00:54:41   also in that in that uh she tells kate [TS]

00:54:44   that she's gonna step out cigarettes [TS]

00:54:45   interface and kept and killer and kate [TS]

00:54:48   has a look that is that it's uh it's [TS]

00:54:50   essentially like so edition how is [TS]

00:54:52   something it's that it's she looks just [TS]

00:54:54   like her and she's like oh but I'm [TS]

00:54:56   America's Sweetheart you can't kill me [TS]

00:54:58   and get hot guy hit me and then of [TS]

00:55:01   course they show up on that like oh [TS]

00:55:03   aight aight smart with me when you have [TS]

00:55:04   the shit yeah the shield like shield [TS]

00:55:07   guys show up just to like hey you know [TS]

00:55:09   we don't forget we've got like a [TS]

00:55:10   helicopter lovely abducted him from the [TS]

00:55:13   roof everything I said nobody seems to [TS]

00:55:17   care because he's all Hawkeye who is [TS]

00:55:20   this hot i think it's so awkward because [TS]

00:55:21   they just like we're just gonna strap [TS]

00:55:22   this thing to do and just you know like [TS]

00:55:24   you know I like 10 point does the first [TS]

00:55:26   the first few issues when he tries to [TS]

00:55:28   like you sort of tries to deny these [TS]

00:55:30   Hawkeye and then kinda just gives up on [TS]

00:55:33   it to all the people in the building [TS]

00:55:34   except you know that conversation with [TS]

00:55:36   girls about being hot guy and we're [TS]

00:55:38   gonna do [TS]

00:55:38   wait did you say just don't make a big [TS]

00:55:41   thing of it he wants to have his [TS]

00:55:42   apartment is not gonna live in the [TS]

00:55:43   mansion go at once to have his apartment [TS]

00:55:46   to live his life I i like how Marvel [TS]

00:55:48   heroes are integrated in this case it is [TS]

00:55:49   a marvel comic and I've said before on [TS]

00:55:51   this podcast that it is kind of amazing [TS]

00:55:53   that a comic it with this this is the [TS]

00:55:57   way the the story is told the art all of [TS]

00:55:59   these things that it you know it proves [TS]

00:56:01   that you can make an amazing piece of of [TS]

00:56:03   of art [TS]

00:56:05   in a superhero comic from marvel comics [TS]

00:56:09   with a mainstream Marvel character it [TS]

00:56:11   can be done and the way the Marvel [TS]

00:56:13   characters get I mean that we've got [TS]

00:56:14   some villains but marvel heroes are very [TS]

00:56:17   seldom seen and when they are it's [TS]

00:56:19   interesting how to get dropped in that [TS]

00:56:20   the Christmas issue where Wolverine [TS]

00:56:22   spider-man appear very briefly along [TS]

00:56:24   with lackeys of Fame who are claiming to [TS]

00:56:27   be the one the the 99th respect [TS]

00:56:29   no you're not i don't know oh and Tony [TS]

00:56:32   Stark trying to get him to wire up is a [TS]

00:56:34   his DVD player and then Maria hill and [TS]

00:56:38   shield and nicks curious appear in the [TS]

00:56:41   Madame masque issue but it's very [TS]

00:56:44   limited and and there are often deployed [TS]

00:56:46   either as a kind of wacky plot [TS]

00:56:49   contrivance or just for q Murr value [TS]

00:56:51   which I like i enjoy that their that [TS]

00:56:54   they're still there they're just not [TS]

00:56:55   important i love that scene with a where [TS]

00:56:59   Captain America and and clinton and [TS]

00:57:00   agent Hellerman are sitting like in kind [TS]

00:57:03   of the interrogation room but kind of [TS]

00:57:05   like a card table and it's like man even [TS]

00:57:07   superheroes have to go to meetings and [TS]

00:57:09   i'm not even if they're not even [TS]

00:57:11   superhero cool meetings are just really [TS]

00:57:12   crappy office meetings know it's like [TS]

00:57:14   and the Lighting's not even great in [TS]

00:57:16   here [TS]

00:57:16   yy-you still wearing the mask bag [TS]

00:57:18   couldn't figure out like he's in a room [TS]

00:57:20   with like two people presumably know why [TS]

00:57:22   do you still have those deep cups and [TS]

00:57:23   his boots are dinner military [TS]

00:57:25   organization is your experience at Holy [TS]

00:57:29   uniform time at the end of the tape [TS]

00:57:30   two-parter again with that common or [TS]

00:57:34   hapless heroes kind of thing is Kate [TS]

00:57:36   almost dies and once all bandaged up a [TS]

00:57:39   Damascus very angry and and in the end [TS]

00:57:42   it turns out and we haven't known this [TS]

00:57:44   all along that this tape that supposedly [TS]

00:57:46   shows Clint killing somebody [TS]

00:57:47   it's a fake and this was all a leak to [TS]

00:57:49   find the gunman my child and there's a [TS]

00:57:52   tape of Captain America killing people [TS]

00:57:54   to know she's like the meeting with no [TS]

00:57:56   sense i realize meeting is no sense in [TS]

00:57:58   retrospect because it's like we're [TS]

00:58:00   having this conversation for the [TS]

00:58:01   audience I think I honestly think [TS]

00:58:03   they're having the conversation to try [TS]

00:58:04   and make sure that the mole was to test [TS]

00:58:06   it because they figure out the mole [TS]

00:58:07   season then they'll pass on information [TS]

00:58:10   and so on and so what's everybody has to [TS]

00:58:11   play along i just don't know where the [TS]

00:58:13   signal got past to barton that this was [TS]

00:58:15   going to be the [TS]

00:58:16   charade they were all going through yeah [TS]

00:58:18   it's really there for k2 public what [TS]

00:58:21   what what I put myself through all this [TS]

00:58:23   for that which is funny again it's [TS]

00:58:26   nothing but trouble and this is what [TS]

00:58:28   supposed to be with Hawkeye is doing [TS]

00:58:30   when he's not an adventure [TS]

00:58:32   I don't understand why he doesn't just [TS]

00:58:33   spend a lot of time sleeping on the [TS]

00:58:34   couch [TS]

00:58:35   I think he does i think that's like the [TS]

00:58:36   the stuff that doesn't even make the cut [TS]

00:58:38   for Hawkeye on his purple couch with the [TS]

00:58:41   dog 1 this is what Hawkeye does when he [TS]

00:58:43   is not in his heart is on my car [TS]

00:58:45   that's what that's what I think this [TS]

00:58:47   fraction said in this interview is [TS]

00:58:48   listening to that his original [TS]

00:58:50   conception was like this is Clint's [TS]

00:58:51   Thursday like this is his day off [TS]

00:58:54   you know what we're where he just does [TS]

00:58:56   his thing and so you know as you've [TS]

00:58:58   noted Jason there's a big barrier to get [TS]

00:59:00   past 20 people here this is a comment [TS]

00:59:02   about hockey and anybody's read comics [TS]

00:59:04   was gonna roll their eyes but I you know [TS]

00:59:06   it really is about all those little [TS]

00:59:08   details and the other thing is when you [TS]

00:59:09   talk about levels is gonna sound such a [TS]

00:59:11   cliche but you can really read this [TS]

00:59:12   however you want if you want to nerd out [TS]

00:59:14   with me and do things on the outliner to [TS]

00:59:16   understand what's happening here you can [TS]

00:59:17   but really you can I think you can look [TS]

00:59:19   at these especially not to diminish the [TS]

00:59:22   other ones but especially the other [TS]

00:59:23   issues [TS]

00:59:23   I mean you really can just look at the [TS]

00:59:25   art yes I just looking for coming in and [TS]

00:59:28   in the back of the trade and the second [TS]

00:59:30   one yeah yeah you should talk about [TS]

00:59:32   color you have a color history all its [TS]

00:59:33   coloring that beautiful [TS]

00:59:37   I you know and I'm again i'm i'm a word [TS]

00:59:39   guy i like reading words I'm not big on [TS]

00:59:41   some pictures but like I love the art in [TS]

00:59:43   these books and that's that's rare for [TS]

00:59:45   me and I yet but it's such a you know [TS]

00:59:46   that it's you know a cliche but I mean [TS]

00:59:48   like the writing and the art work so [TS]

00:59:50   well together like the idea of telling [TS]

00:59:51   somebody this joke you know I'm great at [TS]

00:59:53   boats but the expression on clinton days [TS]

00:59:55   when he says I married boats is [TS]

00:59:57   hilarious casino is no great but [TS]

00:59:57   hilarious casino is no great but [TS]

01:00:00   I don't know it's yeah I'm excited but [TS]

01:00:04   entirely delightful i am i'm just glad [TS]

01:00:07   that he does all the shopping at target [TS]

01:00:09   I just assume that well this one is on [TS]

01:00:13   my second throw the tracks if mafia [TS]

01:00:15   exactly i realized looks like this take [TS]

01:00:17   time and and it's it's but I asked her [TS]

01:00:20   yesterday I was talking to my I was [TS]

01:00:26   telling my comics store guy Winstone [TS]

01:00:29   that we're doing the show and we're [TS]

01:00:31   talking about is like you know we're [TS]

01:00:32   both just going on about it and you know [TS]

01:00:34   he said something that I've been [TS]

01:00:35   thinking about a lot [TS]

01:00:37   he says you know this has gotten so much [TS]

01:00:38   acclaim and it really deserves a claim [TS]

01:00:40   but you gotta wonder like if this worked [TS]

01:00:42   a marvel comic it might get ten times [TS]

01:00:45   more claim because it really doesn't [TS]

01:00:46   read like a marvel comic it really is i [TS]

01:00:49   would like something you'd see on image [TS]

01:00:50   get a lot of ways i'm actually you know [TS]

01:00:53   what kind of reminds me of what I'm [TS]

01:00:54   going away old school here is anyone [TS]

01:00:56   else familiar with the green arrow run [TS]

01:00:58   mike grell did the long bow hunters I [TS]

01:01:01   almost picked it up after react after [TS]

01:01:03   watching arrow because i heard there [TS]

01:01:05   were some relationship to it they could [TS]

01:01:07   not be more dissimilar in artistic style [TS]

01:01:10   at all because there's a lot of pastel [TS]

01:01:12   work and there's a lot about this that [TS]

01:01:14   screams 1980s but the whole premise [TS]

01:01:15   behind the long bow hunters is that [TS]

01:01:17   Oliver and Dinah or are out or out of [TS]

01:01:20   the art of the business and they want to [TS]

01:01:21   settle down in seattle and have a normal [TS]

01:01:23   life and naturally that doesn't happen [TS]

01:01:24   but a lot of it deals with how [TS]

01:01:27   superheroes try to live a mundane life [TS]

01:01:29   and still get the it and install respond [TS]

01:01:33   to the moral imperatives that drive them [TS]

01:01:35   and so it's kind of a nice you [TS]

01:01:39   30 there's like a 30-year difference [TS]

01:01:41   between the books because i think the [TS]

01:01:42   long bow hunters was published it [TS]

01:01:44   sometime ladies I think the lady yes [TS]

01:01:47   there's some excuse me 25 year [TS]

01:01:49   difference but it's it's got a very [TS]

01:01:51   similar sensibility in the whole well [TS]

01:01:53   this is what they do when they're not [TS]

01:01:54   offering silly costumes and running [TS]

01:01:55   around and dealing with space aliens and [TS]

01:01:57   insane organizations and so on and so [TS]

01:01:59   forth and presumably they're both about [TS]

01:02:01   Archer the book i wanted to mention is [TS]

01:02:05   immortal iron fist we have was by these [TS]

01:02:08   guys and it's got a very different tone [TS]

01:02:12   and and and also actually that's one of [TS]

01:02:14   the jokes when ru is ru iron fist I was [TS]

01:02:17   like that's like when they're when [TS]

01:02:20   they're arresting you may become yelling [TS]

01:02:21   at Milwaukee's like I'm an adventurer [TS]

01:02:23   are you iron fits but another another [TS]

01:02:27   one of those Marvel characters like you [TS]

01:02:28   know how many people go oh yeah iron [TS]

01:02:30   fist like he's my favorite right he is [TS]

01:02:31   such a badass he's so cool and you when [TS]

01:02:34   you think of him you think about half of [TS]

01:02:36   Power Man and Iron Fist perfect that [TS]

01:02:38   right I got the immortal iron fist [TS]

01:02:41   so yes immortal iron fist well there is [TS]

01:02:43   it the did you see the so I flipped [TS]

01:02:45   through the first couple pages of matt [TS]

01:02:47   fraction's Doctor Strange and there's a [TS]

01:02:49   scene in the very beginning we're like a [TS]

01:02:51   someone comes into like superhero like [TS]

01:02:53   this is like the clinic where the [TS]

01:02:54   superheroes go when they get beat up and [TS]

01:02:56   iron fists like sitting there like [TS]

01:02:58   reading through a magazine and was wait [TS]

01:03:00   aren't you r infinity goes yes and I [TS]

01:03:02   don't know where power handed her [TS]

01:03:03   partner's not a couple well so immortal [TS]

01:03:06   iron fist I recommend it highly really [TS]

01:03:08   great run i read all of it actually on [TS]

01:03:10   the Marvel unlimited app because i have [TS]

01:03:13   a subscription to that the entire run is [TS]

01:03:15   on there and it's great and I i went [TS]

01:03:18   back to it after realizing that the [TS]

01:03:19   people who were making this comic that I [TS]

01:03:21   really like that is very slowly [TS]

01:03:22   releasing new issues admitted that his [TS]

01:03:25   whole run of immortal iron fist and [TS]

01:03:27   again I thought iron fist [TS]

01:03:29   well i'm reading Hawkeye so why not iron [TS]

01:03:32   fist and it's great actually it's great [TS]

01:03:34   and there are interesting digression [TS]

01:03:36   again where there are these issues that [TS]

01:03:39   flashback as the idea is there are the [TS]

01:03:40   previous iron fists throughout history [TS]

01:03:42   and that story is interrelated to the [TS]

01:03:45   story arc that they're telling and you [TS]

01:03:47   know there's fascinating stuff with the [TS]

01:03:49   portal that goes from the the floating [TS]

01:03:52   city of Kunlun 7077 kingdoms and all of [TS]

01:03:56   that and then earth and what's going on [TS]

01:03:58   and that the whole plot and it's great [TS]

01:04:00   it really is a great story so i [TS]

01:04:02   recommend that to 44 people and and that [TS]

01:04:05   run is done so you can read all that [TS]

01:04:07   whole story [TS]

01:04:08   next up fraction takes on cipher but at [TS]

01:04:10   least it should be you should be next up [TS]

01:04:12   which may be more the x-men you don't [TS]

01:04:14   like one of the houses Cyclops justice [TS]

01:04:17   you know who likes I quite like Cyclops [TS]

01:04:19   yeah really seriously anything else to [TS]

01:04:22   talk about about Hawkeye it's great [TS]

01:04:24   it's great we like it we reckon colors [TS]

01:04:28   over the colors really love to show you [TS]

01:04:31   the colors on this podcast and [TS]

01:04:33   fortunately that technology is not yet [TS]

01:04:34   enjoy such colors purple and red are you [TS]

01:04:39   muted green read-only cherry and others [TS]

01:04:44   variety of how many comics can you buy [TS]

01:04:46   that feature all the shades of purple in [TS]

01:04:50   one book all the shades it's true [TS]

01:04:53   50 shades of purple be the third trade [TS]

01:04:55   volume 3 if you didn't like purple [TS]

01:04:59   before you will like purple [TS]

01:05:01   yeah after reading Hawkeye because i [TS]

01:05:04   didn't want guarantees are implied by [TS]

01:05:06   this endorsement [TS]

01:05:08   oh you know I didn't mention i don't [TS]

01:05:09   know a lot about the larger comics world [TS]

01:05:12   but does anybody else reminded of Chris [TS]

01:05:13   we're a little bit a little i forgot to [TS]

01:05:15   remember that kinda like a lot [TS]

01:05:17   yeah actually yeah look at this again [TS]

01:05:19   this is from the the wonderful christmas [TS]

01:05:21   episode [TS]

01:05:22   uh-huh the more clicks out front with [TS]

01:05:23   the with the bow and arrow just that [TS]

01:05:25   kind of 50 millimeter looking shot oh [TS]

01:05:27   yeah of the building with all the [TS]

01:05:29   straight lines [TS]

01:05:31   it reminds me of the layout visit this [TS]

01:05:33   is you could you could take i mean i [TS]

01:05:35   think Merlin use of the art you could [TS]

01:05:37   take pages of this panels of this [TS]

01:05:39   stripped of all the story stripped of [TS]

01:05:43   all the dialogue and it would be [TS]

01:05:45   beautiful [TS]

01:05:47   I think with the story the III there are [TS]

01:05:51   several issues that you can see they're [TS]

01:05:52   like textbook this is how you write a [TS]

01:05:55   comic a modern comic I i I'll of like [TS]

01:06:00   saga we talked about and saga is big and [TS]

01:06:02   weird and wild and i love it but it also [TS]

01:06:08   feels very much like it's almost [TS]

01:06:11   one-of-a-kind Hawkeye look at my say [TS]

01:06:13   this is this is like textbook this is [TS]

01:06:15   like you do more comics like this this [TS]

01:06:18   is this is like how you make a modern [TS]

01:06:20   comic this is what are the devil is in [TS]

01:06:22   the detail yeah i mean the details of [TS]

01:06:24   like again that interview heard and I [TS]

01:06:26   was talking about how he starts out [TS]

01:06:28   every sketch and it's a thousand lines [TS]

01:06:30   and then used to figure out how to try [TS]

01:06:31   to get that down to like four lines [TS]

01:06:32   yeah it'sit's it is very minimal in that [TS]

01:06:34   sense but also in the sense that it's [TS]

01:06:36   very small scale [TS]

01:06:37   it's very you know macro in some ways [TS]

01:06:39   and back to that layer of thing just [TS]

01:06:42   real quick the idea that you know you [TS]

01:06:44   can look at it as a lot about [TS]

01:06:45   relationships it's it's a lot about his [TS]

01:06:47   relationship with people but it starts [TS]

01:06:49   out with something in episode great [TS]

01:06:50   phrase everyone's calling dummy [TS]

01:06:52   he's calling himself dummy but you dummy [TS]

01:06:54   you dummy and but you know Clint you [TS]

01:06:56   dummy you think all you're gonna do is [TS]

01:06:58   go and deal with these guys that you can [TS]

01:06:59   easily take care of these the kind of [TS]

01:07:01   the Mafia but then suddenly now he [TS]

01:07:03   realizes that's making him more [TS]

01:07:05   it's been clear that there's an Avenger [TS]

01:07:07   who lives there which now all the people [TS]

01:07:09   he's trying to protect it puts them in [TS]

01:07:10   danger [TS]

01:07:11   he's gonna be a hero and so he buys the [TS]

01:07:13   buildings can be here and protect them [TS]

01:07:14   and how do we ever imagined that that [TS]

01:07:16   seemingly modest single issue at the [TS]

01:07:18   beginning would lead us to where we are [TS]

01:07:20   now and I mean I personally i'm just i'm [TS]

01:07:23   thrilled to see where it's gonna go I'm [TS]

01:07:25   glad it's been so successful and got so [TS]

01:07:26   many awards because just cause it'll [TS]

01:07:28   keep it alive [TS]

01:07:29   you know what I mean it's just something [TS]

01:07:30   it's to figure it's a very modest story [TS]

01:07:33   in some ways there's no Galactus or [TS]

01:07:34   anything like that it's that will be [TS]

01:07:37   weird when he eventually shows up in [TS]

01:07:38   like one panel and it's like oh yeah [TS]

01:07:40   collector now just you want dog was [TS]

01:07:42   waving this looks bad but I know it's [TS]

01:07:45   gonna be like he's got a he's driving a [TS]

01:07:48   dump truck and there's like a big piece [TS]

01:07:50   of purple scrap metal in the back and [TS]

01:07:52   he's gonna be like yeah this is like [TS]

01:07:53   collect part itself Galactus issue [TS]

01:07:56   that's what it's gonna be [TS]

01:07:58   uh no Galactus i'll also before we go [TS]

01:08:00   i'm not going to spoil issue 12 but I [TS]

01:08:02   want to bring up something about issue [TS]

01:08:03   12 one of the things I am I never really [TS]

01:08:06   thought about Marvel when I was a when I [TS]

01:08:07   was a kid but now that I'm a publishing [TS]

01:08:10   industry professional every now and then [TS]

01:08:12   I see something in a marvel comic that [TS]

01:08:14   fascinates me because it reminds me that [TS]

01:08:16   the comics industry is sometimes just on [TS]

01:08:19   the just on the razor's edge of [TS]

01:08:22   professionalism because the letter [TS]

01:08:26   column in issue 12 Hawkeye for those who [TS]

01:08:29   haven't gotten it you have to get the [TS]

01:08:31   single issue in order to get this letter [TS]

01:08:32   column literally has two covers from [TS]

01:08:35   forthcoming issues and a letter column [TS]

01:08:37   that says hey guys I was too busy to do [TS]

01:08:40   the letter column [TS]

01:08:42   normally we do a playlist i was too busy [TS]

01:08:44   to do the playlist [TS]

01:08:46   here's some dvds that i bought recently [TS]

01:08:50   yeah my baseball team is doing well this [TS]

01:08:54   year [TS]

01:08:54   see you next month i'm not kidding it's [TS]

01:08:58   like Stephen whackers personal blog and [TS]

01:09:01   and I read this and I think my why not [TS]

01:09:04   just put the covers then why even say [TS]

01:09:06   anything because it's embarrassing [TS]

01:09:08   landfill space they're essentially awful [TS]

01:09:10   so Matt Fraction putting in the work to [TS]

01:09:12   create one of the most amazing comics [TS]

01:09:14   being published now marvel editorial [TS]

01:09:16   kind of wasting time throwing pencils [TS]

01:09:19   into the ceiling and writing [TS]

01:09:21   embarrassing letter column so Bravo [TS]

01:09:23   Stephen wacker that's one of the babies [TS]

01:09:25   professional things I've seen a [TS]

01:09:27   professional published thing in a long [TS]

01:09:28   censored by wacker good job [TS]

01:09:31   we could probably tops out of work right [TS]

01:09:34   yeah well I'm glad to hear that he got [TS]

01:09:36   his criterion night DVD of night train [TS]

01:09:40   to munich for fifteen bucks that was [TS]

01:09:42   good to know thanks [TS]

01:09:43   oh good to know marvel keep up the good [TS]

01:09:47   work all about the macro and owned by [TS]

01:09:49   disney yeah i'm going to CS attention [TS]

01:09:53   disney don't get that don't get the [TS]

01:09:55   board fired come on that terrific movie [TS]

01:09:58   called planes [TS]

01:09:59   yeah that's right i could just run the [TS]

01:10:01   whole column about that right some fake [TS]

01:10:03   letters getting intern there are people [TS]

01:10:05   who would die to be a Marvel intern get [TS]

01:10:06   them to do the letter column is also [TS]

01:10:08   don't write into well I think we've done [TS]

01:10:11   enough damage for one episode of the [TS]

01:10:14   incomparable but I think we are all in [TS]

01:10:16   agreement that people should seek out [TS]

01:10:19   Hawkeye even if you don't like Hawkeye [TS]

01:10:20   or the Avengers or i would say or [TS]

01:10:24   superhero comics because it's really it [TS]

01:10:26   is the arterial comic it's a sitcom it's [TS]

01:10:29   a sitcom with arrows and occasionally a [TS]

01:10:31   drawer drama it's an action to come [TS]

01:10:33   right i mean there is there is some [TS]

01:10:34   action and there are people who died and [TS]

01:10:37   robinson comedy drama com something [TS]

01:10:42   arrows direction midi it's a direction [TS]

01:10:45   by fraction guys it's good i just don't [TS]

01:10:48   go to recommendation for people [TS]

01:10:49   especially who you know like like [TS]

01:10:51   fantasy and since I fine and [TS]

01:10:53   in books sure but you know one nice [TS]

01:10:56   thing about Hawkeye fractions talked [TS]

01:10:57   about this how he tries to write stuff [TS]

01:11:00   that he feels ok so in his kids and you [TS]

01:11:03   know there's some stuff in here that's a [TS]

01:11:04   little bit you know you know hot having [TS]

01:11:06   sex with the redhead [TS]

01:11:07   well I don't even think that you see [TS]

01:11:09   Hawkeyes a face over his general they [TS]

01:11:12   just take a nap together they they just [TS]

01:11:14   were both very tired there may be taken [TS]

01:11:17   sweet matt fraction's kids are very [TS]

01:11:20   mature and match but you can show this [TS]

01:11:24   you can show this to a young person and [TS]

01:11:25   anybody who is a comic nerd that wants [TS]

01:11:27   to I don't know it's perfect for showing [TS]

01:11:29   kids my daughter and I love reading this [TS]

01:11:31   we have put up a picture we buy some [TS]

01:11:34   time [TS]

01:11:34   how do you have how old is your daughter [TS]

01:11:36   and how do you handle the the love [TS]

01:11:37   affairs with that well I mean we don't [TS]

01:11:40   you go faster [TS]

01:11:41   I mean it's like anything you know if [TS]

01:11:42   you're gonna show me pg-13 movie you got [TS]

01:11:44   you know kinda kind of massage it but no [TS]

01:11:46   but I mean like for example the pizza [TS]

01:11:48   dog up we've bought well I've got one [TS]

01:11:50   song copy that we don't mess with and [TS]

01:11:53   then I've bought three beater copies [TS]

01:11:55   because we read it so much that it just [TS]

01:11:57   falls apart and what you know if I were [TS]

01:11:59   a writer and artist that would be like [TS]

01:12:01   the greatest compliment the world to me [TS]

01:12:02   it's like you know I sit down with my [TS]

01:12:03   with my freakin five-year-old kid and [TS]

01:12:05   she reads me quote unquote the pizza dog [TS]

01:12:07   comic and you know I I anybody who likes [TS]

01:12:11   a little a little a little love a little [TS]

01:12:13   story is the everyone say it's a puzzle [TS]

01:12:15   it's not impossible to figure out but i [TS]

01:12:18   would this is it's one reason i keep [TS]

01:12:20   talking about saga and Hawkeye is to [TS]

01:12:22   this day there are still people who say [TS]

01:12:24   oh you talked about that so much and i [TS]

01:12:25   finally got it i can't believe this i [TS]

01:12:27   have a second life now I think it's a [TS]

01:12:29   good one to introduce people or [TS]

01:12:30   reintroduce people to comics with I [TS]

01:12:31   really do ya I think the reintroduces is [TS]

01:12:34   big for me I think I recommended how [TS]

01:12:36   kind of people who read superhero comics [TS]

01:12:38   in the past and are interested in now [TS]

01:12:39   because it's a nice example of what a [TS]

01:12:41   superhero comic could be but usually is [TS]

01:12:43   Right saga something I recommended you [TS]

01:12:45   know people with eyes i'm not gonna give [TS]

01:12:47   everybody a copy of watch because that's [TS]

01:12:48   a big investment in this case you know I [TS]

01:12:51   think you can dive in and again it's a [TS]

01:12:52   good asset test for like whatever 10 or [TS]

01:12:53   15 bucks you're going to find out in [TS]

01:12:56   that first issue whether or not this is [TS]

01:12:58   for you and if you need a chance to [TS]

01:13:00   check in and find out if this is the [TS]

01:13:01   kind of thing you still might like I [TS]

01:13:03   think you could do a lot worse you like [TS]

01:13:04   stories do you like dogs [TS]

01:13:05   aerosil [TS]

01:13:06   tales about an average an average Joe [TS]

01:13:08   who is impossible posing arrows a yeah [TS]

01:13:11   your fan brezin eras frozen arrows and [TS]

01:13:14   that's the pilot on your fast rate their [TS]

01:13:18   brothers the bell merwin where's the [TS]

01:13:20   bel-air thank you i was good [TS]

01:13:23   alright and and with that because that [TS]

01:13:25   can't be topped [TS]

01:13:27   I'm gonna close up this edition of the [TS]

01:13:29   comic book club so i would like to thank [TS]

01:13:31   my guess who made this a very special [TS]

01:13:33   enjoyable our talking about this great [TS]

01:13:36   comic to trades by the way out now so [TS]

01:13:40   you should get them on amazon get at [TS]

01:13:42   your local bookstore government your [TS]

01:13:43   local comic shop highly recommended and [TS]

01:13:45   then there are now issues that are [TS]

01:13:47   coming out and they'll be a third-grade [TS]

01:13:49   pretty soon but you could get the issues [TS]

01:13:51   if you love the first two trades so a [TS]

01:13:53   time to say goodbye Dan Morgan thanks [TS]

01:13:56   for being here [TS]

01:13:56   always a pleasure Jason thanks for [TS]

01:13:58   having me yeah it's nice that when Tony [TS]

01:14:00   tells you to read comics and you read [TS]

01:14:01   them [TS]

01:14:02   he's my bro yeah bro Tony sindelar [TS]

01:14:05   thanks again for for not only being here [TS]

01:14:08   but also showing damn or in the proper [TS]

01:14:11   way to read comics I trust left to right [TS]

01:14:14   every day every day I tried [TS]

01:14:15   yes good good place miser it's always a [TS]

01:14:19   pleasure to have you on it's always a [TS]

01:14:21   pleasure to be here thank you talking [TS]

01:14:23   talking comics maybe get jason reitman [TS]

01:14:25   back sometime and we reunite the [TS]

01:14:26   original comic book club but he's very [TS]

01:14:27   busy guy these days we need to i just [TS]

01:14:30   read the first two volumes of Harbinger [TS]

01:14:32   and I'm dying to talk about them with [TS]

01:14:33   somebody and valiant together now I get [TS]

01:14:36   it yeah alright I want to talk morning [TS]

01:14:38   glories to which all because I feel like [TS]

01:14:40   they're kind of in that they're kind of [TS]

01:14:41   related because it's always the [TS]

01:14:43   structure of a school filled with people [TS]

01:14:44   who have special powers and it's not one [TS]

01:14:47   and there's a one world conspiracy [TS]

01:14:48   involved so that was just like just like [TS]

01:14:51   my high school will work on it does it's [TS]

01:14:52   pretty much like every high school and [TS]

01:14:54   merlin mann thank you for coming back to [TS]

01:14:56   Ashley bro thanks bro bro brothers [TS]

01:14:58   lowbrow bro and until next time I am [TS]

01:15:03   Jason still signing off the [TS]

01:15:05   uncomfortable [TS]

01:15:05   thanks for listening everybody [TS]