The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the Intolerable number 353 may 2017 [TS]

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00:00:13 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► incomparable we're doing a flash podcast [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► here to talk about trailer that's right [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► people are really just desperately [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► wanted us to talk about that uh that [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Star Wars trailer and we're not gonna [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► instead we're gonna talk about the Star [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► Trek Discovery trailer that got released [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► this week sorry [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► Star Wars fans but hey Star Trek fans [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► we're gonna talk and speculate a little [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► bit about the much promoted and not yet [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► you know much delayed but now we've got [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► something to talk about about Star Trek [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► discovery joining me to talk about Star [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► Trek discovery are these wonderful [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► people David Jay Laura hello hey may the [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► force be with you Jason thank you David [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► and also with you Tony Sindelar is also [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► there hello hi hi Scott McNulty is here [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► because he's a Star Trek expert and I [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► don't like to talk about Star Trek [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► without him this is a non random Trek [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► for you Scott that is true this is a [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► carefully selected Trek and for Star [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► Wars fans the trailer starts off on a [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► desert planet and you Star Wars people [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► love district planets right yeah totally [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► Moises Giuliana's here hello Jason snow [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► my old friend none of this would have [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► happened if Gene Roddenberry were a lie [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► sure he'd be Ferriero that very very old [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► and again another one of my Star Trek [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► ringers Brianna Wu is back hello what's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► up I has been we were born to sense [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► death and that's why I'm here I'm here [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► comprable today that's good are you not [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► feeling good about the are you stating [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► off death or are you welcoming death by [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► doing this I I'm welcoming it okay good [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► let's let's do it good that's all that's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► all for the best so we got we got two [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► two minutes and 24 seconds of a Star [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► Trek trailer to talk about Jason I think [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► we've done two minutes and 24 seconds [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► alright thanks everybody for listening [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► let everybody keep your real nerds but [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► that's good everybody signed off that's [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► great we do start out on a desert planet [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► so I guess we should talk about that icy [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► desert planets in Star Trek and I think [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► Vulcan but it could be Vulcan it could [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► be something totally different I mean I [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► don't know why they'd be walking around [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► in the desert on Vulcan and being lost [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► but that's where we meet [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► the the two characters here we have [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► Michelle Yeoh as Captain George Yeo and [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► also we have our series leads in equal [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► art and green as Michael Barnum and they [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► are walking across the desert having a [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► chat about Burnham's career prospects as [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► you do I should do she doesn't have a [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► she doesn't have a star to guide her [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► because they're in a cloudy desert [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that's right they Lindy they seem to [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► have tricorders which I would imagine [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► would help them if they were lost but [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► I'm assuming it's a sandstorm of yeah [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► interference Scotty yeah the big [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► billowing clouds suggest that there's [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► she actually glances over her shoulder [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► one point is like like why are we out [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► here we're before tos and after [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► enterprise all bets are off [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► well that's are off so it's Arrakis oh [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► the spice must flow so I'm not sure that [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► this that that there isn't something [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► that whether this is linear or not but I [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► think it's an interesting introduction [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► since since Burnham is going to be our [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► main character throughout the show we [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► get to see her talking to her captain [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► now what what they said in PR which I [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► guess we should believe is that Michelle [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► iya is being it she's the captain of the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► Shenzhen and that that's supported by [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► this trailer and that's a Western show [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► Sorry Sorry [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► Shenzhen is is where about whether big [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► actions [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► it's the Shenzhen Jojo name you're right [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► of the Chinese of the Chinese space [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► burger and there's a little robot that's [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► got a Shinjo like label on it later for [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► like a half a second which suggests that [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► that brilliant that Liu Sheng Joe is [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► indeed [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► well Star Trek is all about the branding [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► so this is this is obviously from the [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► beginning of the first episode because [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► the idea here is that this is where [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► Burnham starts but she doesn't end here [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► she will go on to beyond the titular USS [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► Discovery at some point none of which we [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► see we see in this trailer so I like [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► that about it that it doesn't seem to be [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► spoiling its entire premise by by what [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► it shows us in this first teaser it's [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► not we don't even see the the starship [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► discovery in the teaser at all yeah or [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► the captain or the composedly yeah it's [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► not bad [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► III don't mind I don't mind being teased [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► and not having the entire pilot of the [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► show strip-mine four parts to show [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► Oh totally I approve yeah that's good so [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► what people think about this the you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► want you want to break it down bit by [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► bit we've got to start the desert if we [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► do that if you gotta do it let's just [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► take it stick in order that's right I [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► will say that there was a really nice [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► Twitter thread that I liked that Liz [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► Myles who's often on our podcasts did [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► about how just she's blown away by the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► fact that the very first thing we see is [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► two women of color having a conversation [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► about their career in so it's not about [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► men passes the Bechdel test immediately [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► and she's like this is modern Star Trek [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► and it is pretty cool um so what yeah [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► what do people think about this a little [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► little desert walk that ends with a [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► surprise Kirk like almost like a ha but [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► I can call a spaceship and then we could [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► night I loved it but yeah that for me [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► was a big overriding feeling for the [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► whole trailer that we only get more of [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► as we go which is that it feels like [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► some of the cool nifty sci-fi stuff that [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► we've gotten in other mediums while [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► we've been waiting for a news Trek [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► series to exist [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► yeah Bri would you think about this [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► opening well obviously I'm very psyched [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► uh you know I was out I was out trying [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► to get of town and I was working on my [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► car and I get this frantic call my [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► husband's phone and I pick it up it's my [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► neighbor and he's so upset about the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► Star Trek trailer I thought it was just [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► absolutely terrible and he's just [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► blasting me I'm like oh go inside Frank [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► and I watch it and it was the same thing [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► like you see two women of color talking [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► to each other and I was just like this [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► is great this is awesome [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► it does worry me I am of the opinion the [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► Voyager is held in low regard by most [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► Trek fans because of unconscious sexism [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► I think a big part of it is that they [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► didn't actually why I also agree with [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► that well to be fair the first season [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► was not good I I don't agree with that [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► so I worry about I worry [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► I worry in talking about the show about [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► politicizing it from the very beginning [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► of it and I'm I'm hyper excited about [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► this like this is like I fought for this [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► so hard in my own career it's awesome [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► this is Star Trek in 2017 and that's [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► they're not in [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► this opening scene because they're women [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► that's the thing that is just irrelevant [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► they're Starfleet officers having a [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► conversation about her career the the [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► fact that Michelle Yeoh is is playing a [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► Starfleet captain and not just a [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► Starfleet captain who shows up in an [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► episode of something to say oh hello [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► Captain Picard how's it going yes we'll [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► help you with this blockade run that [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► you're doing the the fact that the [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► United Federation of Planets [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► right off the bat feels like the United [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► Federation of Planets with humans from [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► Earth that aren't just from the United [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► States and a couple of their funny [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► friends from other continents every once [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► in a while having her front and center [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► feels like the exact opposite of of [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► tokenism right off the start because [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► yeah she has the poise and presence of a [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► Starfleet captain whether we see her at [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► the forefront of this show as it goes [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► forward I mean we know that Michael [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► Burnham is is supposed to be our lead [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► but her having a prominent role whether [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► we see a little of her or a lot of her [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► she has the kind of presence that a [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► literal cinema legend that to me was was [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► the thing that just as we get this first [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► breadth of things that that really that [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► really made me feel good in particular [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► looking at the demographics of planet [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► Earth and humans on planet earth right [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► the fact that Star Trek has like not had [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► a whole lot of Chinese participation [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► over the years to have Michelle Yeoh as [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► a captain to have the shinzo as the ship [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► it's a big deal I like like it didn't [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► it's not logical that humans leaving [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► Earth would be largely Americans and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► Europeans right it should be a broader [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► worldview and so this a little bit like [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► having Chekov beyond the on the [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► enterprise looks like oh of course there [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► should be Russians in space so they [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► added Chekov it's like yeah because of [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► you know you're a government stuff yeah [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► yeah like he was a big deal to be the [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► first man in space whatever so to add a [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► Chinese presence and Starfleet here [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► right out of the bat it's like that's [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► smart it's the way the way it should be [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► Tony what do you think of this opening [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► any any any thoughts in the desert and [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► with the reveal of the ship coming [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► through the dust storm I guess I like it [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► it's a dramatic you know if you have the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► trailer magic where you don't know [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► what's going on in [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► is the context right like are they in [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► dire straits wandering through a [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► sandstorm or you know or they just just [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► doing their job are they talking about [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► this because this might be the last [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► conversation they ever have or this is [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► just you know they don't have a lot of [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► time away from the rest of the crew and [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► she wants to impart this wisdom before [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► they beam up so exciting and fun [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► introduction to these two characters we [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► get some we get some transporter being [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► action too which is nice yeah yeah Scott [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► what do you think of the transporter [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► beam in particular been offended you or [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► you found a sign or anything else about [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► the desert I thought it was interesting [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► I did think about the transporter beam [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► because that's the kind of Star Trek [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► nerd that I am I'm with you and so an [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► enterprise they established the fact [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that transporters not so reliable they [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► are still trying them out they don't use [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► them a lot so I was happy to see that [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► this is ten years old [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► I forget how what the difference between [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► enterprise in the original series is but [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► this is ten years before the original [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► series [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► so clearly the kinks have been worked [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► out yeah I did like that so it seems [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► like there's like a grid that appears on [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► the the targets of the transporting [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► which I thought was a cool effect of [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► them a little traditional swirl around [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► so thumbs up on the new transporter [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► effect nice that's right I company also [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► like the new Klingons so come at me yeah [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► yeah I'll get there is we do get the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► following there's some there's some [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► voiceover and we see we we see Burnham [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► on the bridge of her ship looks like [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► this is uh this is michelle yeoh ship do [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► we do we do we have the lengthy [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► discussion about the the meanings of [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► uniforms now or do we save that friendly [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► I think we got to talk about the [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► uniforms right now I think this is sorry [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► I'm but you know no you're right is this [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► is it I bet everybody who is in a [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► Starfleet uniform in this caste doesn't [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► understand how lucky they already have [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► pockets the uniforms because you know [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► back in the day being in Starfleet meant [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► not having any pockets and wearing a [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► body sock I assumed in the in the future [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I would not have any personal items I [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► would not need any pockets personal [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► items like hands where do hands go okay [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► I've seen some people being bummed out [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► about how it they don't look like [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► original series and while I would love a [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► show that just fully embraced the [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► original series aesthetic nobody else [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► would Jason Jason what what you really [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► need on a starship is a velour sweater [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► this feels a little more like uh taking [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► the enterprise design and evolving it [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► forward toward I think like sort of [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► toward the JJ Abrams Star Trek design [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► it's it's modern but there's it's it's [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► sort of familiar um and there's gonna be [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► a theme for I think many of us perhaps [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► is its different and I'm okay with it [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► being different but what do you think we [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► all think of a lot of blue a lot of [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► little kind of Gold's gold stripes in [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► that famous emblem and as like a zipper [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► it kind of made me think of you know [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► Nick Nick Meyer is involved in this and [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► he was the one who sort of said you know [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► what let's forget the motion picture [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► costumes and let's go naval and military [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► and all that and I think that's that [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► might be a little bit of his influence [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► saying all right the enterprise uniforms [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► kind of made sense but let's do [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► something a little nicer and and it [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► almost feels like it would evolve [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► eventually into the Wrath of Khan era [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► Wow you know Jim I haven't thought of [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► that but I think maybe you're right so [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► leo blue version that's headed toward [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► the Wrath of Khan kind of costumes what [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► right clothes I think that this also [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► doesn't necessarily preclude the notion [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► that ten years from now the right middle [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► manager inside of Starfleet middle [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► management decided you know what [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► everybody's always complaining they want [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► their uniforms to be less stuffy they [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► want to be more relaxed so they go they [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► have not too many pockets yeah too many [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► pockets I mean do you want a different [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► texture black slacks keys and uh [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► everybody gets a cup I got a deal on [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► these colored shirts so no we're gonna [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► go in that now you know it's something [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► that you know you can wear a girdle with [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► it'll look really good yeah and there's [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► an alternate rap for the captain's who [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► are large right right so something I [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► think is really interesting to think [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► about when you last television series [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► came out you know like CRTs were the [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► main way that most of the saw you know [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► Star Trek I mean when Enterprise came [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► out we were just barely like moving into [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► LCD and you know higher def formats [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► so something I notice is if you like [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► look at a Star Trek costume like from [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► Voyager or TNG on ebay it doesn't really [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► have the pop of a movie costume so I [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► look at this I see a live texture in the [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► fabric detail is just subtle it's like [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► it's it's cutting the difference between [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► like a more pragmatic like jumpsuit that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you might wear in space and you know [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► like a movie costume so I I like it I [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► think it's splitting the difference just [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► like you said Jason and it's it's [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► awesome I need a costume thoughts we [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► cannot get it out now let it out let [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► your inner cosmic there are pips pips on [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► the badges I like the design I think I [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► would I miss the the you know using [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► color to indicate what what their role [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► is right unless everybody that we see is [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► has the same role I like the more [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► dramatic but I do like the use of color [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► but well they they have different colors [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► I think because the alien but I mean [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► it's the dance color right yeah well [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► they have like those stripes or [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► different colors I think yes yeah that's [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► your rank insignia kind of thingy I [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► think we have we have our first glimpse [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► of a cannon character in the net very [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► next shot which is CEREC who's played by [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► james frain here he has a conversation [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► with Burnham in a couple of places and [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► we'll get more of Surak later there are [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► a couple of cannon characters that are [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► existing Star Trek characters that are [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► going to be dropping into discovery at [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► some point [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► how does every feel about you know 10 [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► years 10 years away from original series [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► you get to sort of do this younger [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► version of characters we saw in the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► original series thing in Serac's the the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► example how does everybody feel about [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► about this approach of you know [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► enterprise was harder to do this but [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► with with discovery they're going to be [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► able to do it and this is we've got a [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► new Sarek who's got obviously a personal [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► connection to our main character which [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► is kind of interesting [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► I can't wait for young sexy Harry Mudd I [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► mean I know I'm not alone I I did not [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► think that Harry Mudd was something I [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► needed more of in my life I thought it [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► was free of that and here it comes but [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► how do you how do you filled by Rainn [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► Wilson that's me that's me trying to [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► send Harry Mudd off into the Delta [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► Quadrant and as far away from this as [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► possible yeah hoping for it means that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► they just won't even touch it I I don't [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► understand how that happens yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► but Zarek i think makes a lot of sense [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► when i heard that they were doing this i [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► was like oh that's kind of cool right [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► cuz welcome to live a long time and he [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► would have been in an important position [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► at that point this is you know 10 or 15 [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► years before journey to Babel yeah and [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► he can be a mentor figure and I mean he [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► doesn't have to be the focus of anything [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► but he can be he can be a nice tether [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► where as Harry Mudd it's like why why [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► why why well we we have this plot about [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► sexy androids and who how would we how [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► would we make sexy androids believable [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► if we didn't have Harry Mudd it just it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► doesn't work and so here we are the the [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► presence of Sarac ties this to the canon [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► in a way that that in the first glance [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that this is makes me feel good about it [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► because with the weird divorce of the [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► Star Trek franchise where all the TV [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► stuff is in CBS's hands and the movies [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► or on Paramount's hands and it's kind of [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► a weird like Marvel TV versus movies [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► sort of a thing I'm much more [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► comfortable with the vast majority of [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► the Canon side of things where they're [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► at once visibly doing some new and [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► different things both aesthetically and [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► you know just with it the way that [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► they're telling the story where it's a [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► 15 episode show in sort of like 25 [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► episodes of season I like that I'm [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► seeing that mix of things that they are [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► distinctly trying new things and that [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► they are not afraid to dig into you know [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► what when we get to the Klingons [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► with stuff that could be some really [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► weird big time like deep cut Trek nerd [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► lore type of stuff but and that's that's [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► the thing that it really excited me in [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► the beginning was when when they first [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► announced Bryan Fuller is going to do [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► this and it's like yeah Bryan Fuller god [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► has got to start on Voyager and he is a [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► trek nerd and he is he knows you know [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► it's not like one of these people who [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► goes oh yes I was hired I've never seen [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► an episode of Star Trek [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► like Nick Meyer loved him but he had [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► never seen Star Trek before Wrath of [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► Khan [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► and so you know I was I was expecting [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► some deep cuts and I'm glad to see we're [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► gonna get them I love that kind of world [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► building and I if it's done really well [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► uh it should be alright even Harry Mudd [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► I'm okay with Harry Mudd and we'll see [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► how sweet see how it's done I guess I [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► don't understand why we keep returning [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► to this era you know like Tos is awesome [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► but you know Enterprise went back to it [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► and then you've got the movies that are [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► all around this era am i the only person [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► that like wants to find out more about [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► like what happened to the Borg after [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► Voyager what happened to the Dominion [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► after ds9 I mean I want us to I want to [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► find out the next chapter of the story [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► and it's it's sort of frustrating to me [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► that every time again new Star Trek [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► property it seems to be going backwards [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► in time like where's the faith that the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► ventures that are coming next or you [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► know worthwhile why do we keep like [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► retreading these same concepts because [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► it just it feels like this has been [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► everything we've done yet pretty much [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► this it turned the millennium there were [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► credible rumors that went around right [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► when the show was being announced that [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► this was going to actually be an [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► anthology show which it doesn't seem to [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► be necessarily but I agree like one of [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the things that struck me as odd was [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► again we're going back in time again [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► we're going back to origin story ish [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► kind of territory rather than just going [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► on the back you know even if you're [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► going to 10 20 years in the future of [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► Voyager why not do that you know why why [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► say that all of the next generation [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► forward stuff is yet to come [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you know what why are they telling this [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► story is a big question for me but you [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► know again like I'm cautiously [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► optimistic to where I trust that you [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► know I I have a very soft spot in my [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► heart for mirror universe episodes [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► I would love to a mirror universe [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► episode II house new show I would love [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► to see I would love to see this crew [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► somehow end up 150 years in the future [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► and be like the the USS Bozeman showed [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► up in TNG with with beardy mcfreak rain [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► captaining it [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► forward through time and having to deal [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► with having missed a ton of history and [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► be a crew out of time that's something [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► that they haven't really done with one [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► of these crews they've displaced them [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you know a quadrant away in Voyager [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► they've put them on not a Federation [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► Starship Enterprise with you space 9 I [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► I'm with you in that I would I would [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► like something different and at the very [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► at the base level I feel like I'm [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► getting some of that and I would just I [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► want them to not feel like they've got [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► to hedge their bets and just let loose [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► and go nuts and maybe they might I mean [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► and we still don't know what if there's [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► a second season what that second season [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► will be since the pattern right now for [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► anthology series seems to be a full [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► season and then something new so it [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► might still do that we don't know but [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► yeah I think part of the reason we all [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► come back to the the same era is just [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► because when most people around the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► world think Star Trek they think Kirk [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► Spock McCoy there's no there's no other [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► Star Trek those are other things they [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► might not even know them and and so it's [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► a calculated thing on the studio's part [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► I'm with you I want to see more I want [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► to see the future I want to see 20 years [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► after Voyager I want to see those people [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► who grew up in Starfleet you know [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► hearing about the stories of Janeway and [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► Cisco and all that I think it's fear on [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► the executive level in part I mean I [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► think Bryan Fuller had a thought he had [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► a good idea of something that sort of [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► calls back but I think the allure of the [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► Kirk Spock McCoy era is also buttress by [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► this fear that people think of Star Trek [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► and they think of that and that if they [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► make a show that is at the end of the [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► Canon as its established that they worry [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► like will it only appeal to people [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► who've seen all of the other shows will [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► it you know will they have to invent new [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► villains because if you keep the [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► Klingons as the villains and the [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► Romulans where you don't have to evolve [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► it at all although then you have to do [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► weird things to get things like the Borg [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► involved so I think it I think it's some [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► fear then again it is a little [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► surprising because maybe good idea from [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► Bryan Fuller here but like the lessons I [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► think this was a hard lesson of [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► enterprise that once you're in something [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► that's deep in the Canon and this isn't [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► set in the movie alternate universe this [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► is said in the prime television [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► basically to Moises [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► point cannon universe like well at that [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► point it's it's much harder to [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► contradict cannon and you have to do you [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► like no we can't show the Romulans faces [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► or we can't show the Borg unless we [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► cheat and even Enterprise tried to cheat [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► a little bit but it was really hard yeah [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► I think it's harder to make a show when [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► you've got this established cannon going [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► on so that III agree I think that it's [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► fear that is preventing them from going [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► further in the future and it's too bad [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► because I'd much rather see a next [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► next-generation then yeah then then sort [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► of retread over the same 20-year 30-year [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► period again and again but deep space 18 [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► this is where we are this is uh we do [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► get a view of this crew and there are [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► some interesting kind of character [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► design things here there's a guy with [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► like a thing wrapped around his head [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► there's another guy who's got like stuff [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► going up the side of his face and then [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► there's Doug Jones as a regular on the [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► show lieutenants aru who is the guy who [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► later will tell us as he sends his death [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► which people were laughing at that [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► dialogue it's like I I could tell you [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► what the context of that dialogue is [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► that it's not quite at this point but it [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► comes later which is you know his speed [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► he's gonna say his species evolved and [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► they were they were prey species and [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► they learned to have this ability to [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► sense you know when when they were going [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► to be attacked and I think that that's [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► you know it's creepy but I think that [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► there's probably a context that makes it [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► a little less silly that you don't get [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► in a trailer yeah it's a little goofy [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► yeah it's still it's still a little bit [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► theatrical a little bit silly I guess [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► but it's a science fiction universe [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► where matter can transport from one [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► place to another with a minimal of power [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► instead of weird you know weird and the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► face design is kind of fun it's not just [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► a thing on his forehead which is kind of [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► cool right so this at this point the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► trailer is were just sort of forwarding [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► they find an unknown object and Birnam [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► basically gets out in a spacesuit and [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► fires off her thrusters to go find this [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► unknown mysterious object that obviously [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► is the thing that sets off the plot of [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► this show yes this is I think this is a [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► very Star Trek II scene right there like [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► it's an unknown object and we can't just [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► leave it we have to go look at it [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► because that's what we do and then let's [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► hop into our motion picture [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► pack yeah and fly through the the cosmos [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► and get to this weird thing yeah there's [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► an asteroid belt over there and we are [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► gonna fly over to it we're not just [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► gonna scan it from a distance that's [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► lame yeah that's right [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► I need to touch it our scanners aren't [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► that good we have to do we have to send [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► somebody over we gotta go over there and [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► look at it write a report headed back to [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► Starfleet and it looks like it looks [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► like from the next scene that that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► there's a there's a lot of interesting [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► stuff happening over there this it's [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► edited together with some other shots [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► that suggests that maybe there's a [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► there's Klingon involvement and maybe [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► alien involvement in that but it's a [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► it's a bunch of quick cuts and it's [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► unclear there's some kind of alien [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► ceremony that there's a quick cut of [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► that III was unclear if that was Klingon [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► or not it it looked ambiguous it's some [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► sort of a Klingon ceremony and as far as [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► I can tell the object that they find is [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► this sarcastic saying you know I read a [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► couple of articles and you know I try to [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► be as skeptical of what people write [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► about the stuff as possible because then [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I find myself in my head Canon agreeing [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► with what somebody just puts forward as [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► a fact that may or may not be but it's [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► at least a close enough visual match [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► with the minimum amount of stuff that [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► they're showing us in this that that is [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► the thing that they find and I you know [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► I feel I feel like they're pretty [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► heavily hinting at yeah this is the [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► thing that works a bunch of Klingons [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► into into surrounding this one [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► Federation ship and it's a meaningful [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► object to this sarcophagus or whatever [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► it is is a meaningful Klingon object and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► they want it and our crew finds it a [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► bunch of Klingon symbols appear on on [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► the the screen of the ship suggesting [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that Klingons are attacking and and [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that's scary and then we get a shot of a [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► guy whose name is Takuma which is Chris [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► Obi and he is he is the the Klingon with [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► the with the you know it's a very [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► different Klingon look so I guess we [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► should talk about the Klingons you know [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► one of the problems with Klingons is [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that the original Klingons were like [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► let's get some guys with beards some [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► facial hair and that's what a Klingon [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► will be and then in next generation [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► they're like well we're going to do a [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► little more makeup and we're gonna have [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► a little bit more which was sort of [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► following on the motion picture the star [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► trek into darkness Klingons are [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► are also a little bit different and then [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► Enterprise tried to explain all of this [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► and say well there's the augments and [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► there's two versions and all that and [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► and it's this great thing that kind of [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense we do not speak [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► of it right the best thing that any Star [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► Trek ever did was have Worf just say no [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► don't don't even here here's the thing [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► is I feel like this show maybe is going [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► to speak of it here's the thing I hope [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► not either they're gonna speak of it or [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► they're gonna lean in and on this what [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► I'm hoping is they're gonna lean into [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► the idea that you know what every time [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► we show the Klingons they look different [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► it's because it's a different show and [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► the makeup is different and these are [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► better in designing these things and [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► like just you got to go with it just [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► like why do why aren't we wearing the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► pajamas from the original series because [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► it's a different show and you just have [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► to go with it it's not a photographic [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► representation of what really happened [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► because it's a TV show [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► why does the interior of the TARDIS look [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► different with each dot yeah so I'm kind [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► of going with that which is like [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► historical records from this era or [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► sketchy you know how do you solve how do [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► you solve the problem of like are they [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► guys with beards or are they people with [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► bumpy heads and the answers we're gonna [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► make totally new ones and then you're [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► really not gonna know what the Klingons [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► are but yeah moisés it is also true [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► they may try to explain that I kind of [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► want them to not but maybe they will [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► well here's the thing is I I see them [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► being able to go almost a half measure [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► and and speak to the divide in in in the [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► Klingon homeworld between the the people [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► who look like Takuma and the people who [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► look like the the racial appropriation [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► half fu-manchu's half Russian Jung ons [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► of the original shows the ones like you [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► know the Romulans and Riemann's sorry to [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► bring back memories of Nemesis I didn't [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► think we're gonna talk about that when [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► no yeah that's really uncalled for [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► really unfamiliar with this trip my [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► tests show me on the on the Nemesis DVD [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► where it hurt you yes okay the whole DVD [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► hurt me that's where but there yeah I [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► mean there's you know again because [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► they're going with the TV the TV Canon [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► of things and the deep Canon of all [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► kinds of stuff the untold story in the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► past of Star Trek lore that does [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► interest me that yes okay we got a [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► billion Klingon episodes in Deep Space [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► nine and there are people who hate them [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I love them you know there is there is [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► to be explored in looking at at this [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► relatively early stage of the Federation [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► dealing with Klingons in in a way that [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► establishes a way to move forward with [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► them where they don't necessarily have [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► to look one way or another way or they [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► can look half way between or you know [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► you can you can keep as much or use as [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► much or throw out as much of the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► production design as you want as [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► behooves you to make something look good [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► on high-def 4k TV screens in the year [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► 2017 as opposed to what looked totally [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► fine on a CRT in 1968 what I have seen [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► makes me trust whichever direction they [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► go whether they give in to the stuff [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► that I'm kind of okay with them doing [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► like the deep the deep lore like you [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► know not to say this is the only way to [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► describe the kind of schism but like the [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► difference between Sunni and Shia [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► Muslims that kind of major major [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► conflict within a specific culture that [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► is something that I think is a [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► fascinating thing to explore in a Star [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► Trek show and it's something that as [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► much as Star Trek lore has been steeped [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► in bringing a new perspective to [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► cultures and cultural divisions and [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► political strife that not everybody has [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► the same perspective on I think there [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► there could be something really [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► fascinating to that where it is less cut [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► and dry I so [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► I hear where you're coming from on that [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► this is this is what concerns me and [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► Jason was talking to you about this in [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► slack the other day like you know so [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► many Star Trek's they they kind of come [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► off with a premise that you can explain [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► this and write like TOS is a five year [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► mission [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► you know DSM's Space Station Voyager [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► they're trapped you know a long way from [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► home for this it it I don't see any [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► concept around the show that makes me go [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► that really pulls me in like I feel like [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► the the Klingons and humans and the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► relations that they had around this era [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► has been so hyper explored that I don't [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► like they can add a new subspecies it's [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► going on or [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► secret treaty which is why you know the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► the ship looks half Klingon they can do [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► that that doesn't innately like draw me [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► into it and maybe this ends up being the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► kind of show that's more character based [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► like homeland or billions like these are [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► shows that really aren't built off a [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► premise they are built around characters [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► and maybe you know this show will have [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the kind of acting and actors that can [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► pull that off but I I just have to say [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that the everything I'm seeing around [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► the show doesn't make me go oh cool [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► that's a premise I want to watch it's [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► just the Star Trek name that I feel like [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► cashing in on is this this trailer is [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► very much like Star Trek remember Star [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► Trek let's show you all these things [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► about Star Trek yeah like I feel like [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► it's missing because I mean my [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► assumption is that the premise for the [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► show is Birnam gets basically thrust [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► into a command position and has to [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► struggle with that and and challenges [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► are overcome but we don't we don't get [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that in that trailer right [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► the trailer is Star Trek they're kind of [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► hiding the premise for now it seems yeah [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► which which yeah I think I I think there [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► will be one although I think any [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► expectations there is going to be the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► show to have a premise yeah yeah the [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► premise is Star Trek yeah that's right [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► there you go to space that's the alien [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► that's that's oh yeah no I think but I I [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► do think that Star Trek that's why I'm [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► fascinated by the idea of the show is [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► Star Trek in 2017 and modern television [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► it's going to be different it is going [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► to be character driven it's going to be [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► a big story arc it's going to not be [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► episodes of the you know week where [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► there's an adventure and then it's over [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► and we move on to the next adventure [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► it's going to be a very different beast [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► than any Star Trek we've seen before [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► I think Eve it is not going to be an [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► episode where Doug Jones teaches Birnam [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► had it like jazz tap or something like [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► that no I mean ever since this is how we [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► apply decontamination gel on my planet [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► anything's possible but but I think I [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► also do think that there this is my [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► suspicion throughout this and the fact [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► that we don't see the discovery in this [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► and all it's like yeah they're trying to [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► keep quiet on what I think they're going [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► to do which is the classic TV fake-out [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► where they show you characters that you [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► think you're going to be seeing for the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► rest of the show and then very rapidly [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► they are either left behind or killed [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► and I suspect that's going to happen [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► there are a lot of actors that have been [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► named as being on this show I have my [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► doubts that all of them are going to [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► make it through but they're keeping them [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► on that right now because because that's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► an expensive cast for a streaming show I [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► feel like what they were trying to do [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► with this specific trailer was make [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► people go hey guess what Star Trek looks [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► really friggin expensive by the way [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► looks expensive [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► also the lens flares were brought in [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► spared no expense we bought them in bulk [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► the next shot here is uh is interesting [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► it's Eric again but what we get is the [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► suggestion that Birnam actually has a [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► long-standing connection to Sarah and [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► Vulcan that she seems to have grown up [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► at least in part on Vulcan shit there's [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► a little girl who looks like her with a [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► Vulcan haircut yeah but she can't speak [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► Vulcan right because she has a stupid [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► human tongue and can't do it so the this [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► this line posed a lot of questions for [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► me because so I mean for example do we [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► know that Birnam is human she looks very [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► he was around ears but well jason is you [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► know I mean she could be half-human yeah [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► I got a quarter or something else she's [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► a secret Vulcan aging the entire time it [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► seems unlikely to me because she's got [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► tears welling up and all of that but you [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► know you never you never know I think [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► she's a human her top half as human her [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► bottom half is locusts like I'm like a [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► merman yes although oddly enough now I [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► want to see a show just called Star Trek [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► secret Vulcan so I think totally watch I [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► think I'm intrigued by the premise we've [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► had all this stuff about Spock being [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► like Howard dealing with his human half [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► and and and this is more like Spock's [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► mom this is a was it being a human [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► growing up on Vulcan [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► it sounds like it kind of sucks from [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► this yes let's not look great well it [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► seems like being a Vulcan growing up on [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► Vulcan kind of sucks so yeah they should [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► fix that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► it's a choice so that's intriguing that [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► what we get out of this is that this is [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► not a drive-by necessarily performance [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► with CEREC but that actually Birnam has [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► a direct connection with CEREC which is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► kind of it I think in that in that shot [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► he's like a hologram right so I don't [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► know if that she's watching a past [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► message that she always goes back or [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► like you know he's just calling her all [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the time that he's not a hologram in [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► that there's there's also show where [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► he's not [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► Grammy's but that may be a flashback [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► that flashback of when when she was [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► living with the small girl yeah I think [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► it's totally a flashback yep she doesn't [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► turn into a small girl no a well and [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► cook time travel it is Star Trek well [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► it's true anything is possible [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► they she gets turned to a small group or [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► small girl along with three other crew [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► members they're stuck in a turbo lift [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► for an episode it's yeah can't wait [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► Sarek is there so we get a bunch of we [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► get a bunch of quick flashes of the ship [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► is in the shadow is in jeopardy uh [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► the Klingons do a lot of shouting we got [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► they do they all like to look up and go [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► wrong like they do like Klingons do well [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► to be fair that's what they always do [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► yeah Burnham uh says we need to we need [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► to attack them [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► and Michelle Yeoh says we do not fire [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► Starfleet doesn't fire first just like [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► we got to do this we gotta take them [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► that's a pretty good line um yeah I mean [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► I kind of questioned it as a strategy [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► but like that's that's an ethos it's [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► very Picardie with a good guys we don't [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► fire first it's all defensive our [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► weapons are for defense we're an [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► exploration ship right that's very Star [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► Trek yeah but that's how your ship gets [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► blown up and yeah that's how you die in [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► episode 1 and then episode discovery so [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that's true I think I'm pretty sure all [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► the Starfleet officers we see in this [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► trailer almost all of them are going to [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► be dead by the end of the first steps [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► except for maybe Doug Jones yeah some of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► them could be in Klingon work camps have [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► a little strip repented I'll come back [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► yeah good if you're that one of the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► things that happens is a bunch of [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► prisoners of war taken and somehow [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► they've got to be rescued or or you know [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► satisfy the Klingons forced to sit [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► through a Klingon biology class where [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► they explain the differences of the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► various excellent actually it's done out [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► for lunch today we will have gone well [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► we have that we have that shot of [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► Michelle Yeoh it looks like from behind [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► looking at the view screen and it's like [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► white like fleN it's like oh that that [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► doesn't look good and then they [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► immediately could they cut to black and [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► then they fade up on John Doug Jones's [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► character saying you know my race [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► evolved to sense death and I sent it now [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► which I you know what I like I really [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► like it cuz it's super creepy I think [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► that's going to like what did they do [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► like get a species of people invite them [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► into the Federation to be like [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► essentially Canaries in a coal [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► and like Harsha presents an idea you [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► hope that they have other skills [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► it's very Star Trek but like I said I [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► think it's gonna be like we're a prey [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► species yeah we know when this kind of [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► stuff is happening and not not as a we [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► were brought in to Starfleet for this [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► but more like we gotta get out of here [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► way to go Jonas you hope that it's just [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► a biological feature they have it not [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► like that their entire culture is based [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► around that like really you guys don't [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► have like one guy that builds spaceships [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► how did we let you into the Federation [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► knowing meerkats it's just a whole race [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► of meerkat people they pop up they look [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► for death and I pop back down Admiral my [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► death sensing officer has something to [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► add one moment please [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► I guess I guess maybe the qualifications [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► to get into the Federation were [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► different back then there'll only know [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► like seven aliens so like I have them [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► get in yeah and this this show is about [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► the reason why they had to tighten that [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► yes wooly it's could be the reason why [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► we never see them again later yes right [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► a premise it's guys know episodes about [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► people getting evicted for the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► Federation right yet I always assumed [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► that there there are lots of planets [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► very low populations and so they're [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► happy to be in the Federation but they [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► don't send a lot of people out there [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► just be there's only a few thousand [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► years and they just yeah I mean there's [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► got to be people who are in the [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► Federation they don't like they don't [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► have anyone in Starfleet earning right [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► they're just in the Federation like for [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► paper tax purpose yeah that's right they [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► just got a little an eye on what we send [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► you nobody to be officers and we just [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► let you mine all the ore that you want [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► just don't destroy our biosphere we want [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► replicators in holodeck so that we never [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► have to prepare our own food or work [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► jobs again oh and what could go wrong so [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the last shot of the trailer is back out [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► in space and burn them in this her [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► spacesuit and and there's like I guess [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► Klingon in a space suit with a big bat [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► left kind of thingy it looks like a bat [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► left if you show it if you slow it down [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► it looks definitely looks like a sword [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► of Kahless a bat'leth I agree yeah and [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► and he swings it at her and that's the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► end of the trailer that's all we get to [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► see ninja dies at the end how much you [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► want to bet the cliffhanger is her out [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► in space in the suit and the ship is [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► destroyed Oh interesting [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► and the discovery funds er I like that [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► we have to parse parse this out that [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► that they have been now it may [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that they've been squirrely about the [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► premise of the show in a lot of ways [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► because they've been figuring it out [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► because there's been so much turmoil [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► behind the scenes that maybe but I do [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► like the fact that we we don't really [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► have a great sense of what this of what [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► happens in the first episode [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► beyond this confrontation that that she [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► has out in his spacesuit and what might [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► be happening back on the ship [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► I love that I love the notion of her [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► maybe being demoted or somehow you know [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► somehow stigmatized for screwing [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► something up you know we get an [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► indication of her wanting to be [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► impulsive and her captain thinking [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► better and you know I I just love the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► idea of lucius malfoy as captain of a [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► starship you know giving her you've done [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► quite enough Glee I think everything we [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► know about Starfleet in that era would [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► reward that kind of behavior yeah yeah [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► like you did something ruthless and [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► brash here's your own starship please [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► enjoy [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► it's there's Klingons and aliens and [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► action and lens flares and a lot of [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► viral effects yeah I like it so yeah so [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► I mean there are a lot of people out [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► there breed mentioned earlier what [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► people are freaking out about this when [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► we go it looks so terrible I honestly I [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► don't get where that's coming from I [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► think it looks really good in fact my [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► worry about it is it looks so good that [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► they're over selling it and there's no [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► way it's going to look this good on a [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► week-by-week basis that they won't have [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► the budget for it I don't understand why [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► people are freaking out about this like [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► it looks I mean I'm not sold on it yet [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► I'm excited for this it it seems like [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► the building blocks are there but I [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► think I think the more interesting [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► questions are how are they going to like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► bring this to be a show in 2017 because [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► something they're saying earlier about [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► yeah the the the short script and the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► adventure of the week not working [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► I I can't help but think that we're [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► going to lose part of Star Trek if it's [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► not that you know we have a Star Trek [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► main franchise right now that is [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► essentially action movies in space and I [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► I don't think that I think they really [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► missed the entire point the series I [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► have liked every sequel less and less so [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► I want to I want to see something where [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► really wrestling with these deep [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► philosophical questions about what it [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► means to be human like where our better [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► nature is you know what is what our [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► epics in war like Star Trek really [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► helped shape my thinking and my politics [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► on that and I think we need a show that [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► can do that very bravely and what I'm so [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► worried about here is you know I feel [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► like I feel like Enterprise in Voyager [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► or two series that never got a fair [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► shake by the audience because I think [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► the half fans the fans at just like half [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► of it and they're just variant ly [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► against the rest of it [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► I really wonder worried that they're [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► going to come into this and they're not [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► going to give it a fair shot [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► particularly because it looks like it's [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► going to start to women into women of [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► color and I just really wonder if the [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► audience is going to hold them to [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► unconscious double standards I'll tell [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► you something based on my experience [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► actually with Doctor Who coming back in [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► 2005 which is I think the best thing to [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► do is to not care what the Star Trek [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► fans think because for the future of the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► franchise and the success of this show I [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► think they need to appeal to a new [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► generation of fans who will be super [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► into this people who grew up watching [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► Star Trek on Netflix not watching it [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► when it aired they're going to be a lot [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► younger if there's anything like the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► Doctor Who audience it's going to be a [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► lot younger and it's going to be a lot [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► more gender-balanced [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► than the old fandom was and I think that [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► that that the existing fans will come [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► along because it's Star Trek to a [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► certain degree and give it a shot but [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that they got to expand beyond that and [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► this is actually one of the reasons why [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► I'm a little frustrated that in the u.s. [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► it's going to be on CBS all access [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► because it seems to me like that she [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► should be on CBS it should just be on [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the network yeah because what they're [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► saying is it's really for the Trekkies [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► and they'll pay for it and that's gonna [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► that's going to limit their ability to [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► reach that new audience at least at the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► beginning everywhere else in the world [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► it'll be on Netflix and I think it'll be [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► a hit but in the u.s. will people see it [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► I don't see there being harm in giving [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► people who subscribe to all access like [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► a week advance access to it and then [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► playing that episode a week later on the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► network you could window it that way and [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► achieve the same [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► kind of thing the people who really want [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► it want it now and want to pay for it [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► are going to pay for it piracy is [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► something that if if you think out just [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► putting it on all access is going to [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► prevent people from pirating it guess [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► what and I you know Jason it sounds to [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► me like you're saying that a next [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► generation of fans could be born out of [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► this oh it's a tough one because I also [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► get that they're trying to kind of go [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► back to something that's familiar to [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► people in this in the in the kind of [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► Kirk Spock McCoy era but it's not that [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► same ground I don't know it's a tough [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► one right how do you bring back a [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► franchise that I point to Doctor Who [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► only because that is an example of a [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► completely dead franchise that they [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► brought back to life with a revitalized [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► fan base and they did it in continuity [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► without replaying you're saying no it's [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► we're going to start from scratch and [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► they managed to make it work so I have [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► some hope and they botched that launch [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► in the US and it's still managed to make [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► it after a few years so it's it's I have [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► some hope there that that the a lot of [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► the classic Trek fans will come along [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► but that there will be a new generation [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► of fans will be drawn into this and I [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► have actually a lot of hope Bri for what [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► you said about what Star Trek is that it [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► may be maybe summer tentpole action [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► movies in general can't do which is the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► classic social commentary and character [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► interaction I feel like long-form [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► television is a place where you can you [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► have the leisure to do that in a way [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► that you can't in a movie and that you [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► kind of can't in a classic TV series [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► that resets every week you can do a [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► little a little parable and then you [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► have to move on so I guess that puts our [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► hope in Bryan Fuller who came up with [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the story arc that the story arc he's [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► chosen is something that allows them to [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► explore the characters and explore [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► social issues and be Star Trek I think [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► if they haven't messed with it too much [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► since he left [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► I feel like Bryan Fuller gets that that [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► is what Star Trek is and I'm looking [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► forward to them having the the ability [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► to stretch that story out over 15 hours [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► instead of having these hour-long cycles [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► or a two and a half hour long movie and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► then they have to get out of town where [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► there's no way to do I feel like the the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► divorce the divorce between the TV [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► franchise and the movie franchise is [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► something that again makes me more [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► optimistic for this TV series because [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► you have Nicholas Meyer working on it [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► you have the movies having doubled and [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► tripled down on [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► action bang bang bang flash and look [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► here sexy people taking off the clothes [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► and here more sexy people taking off [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► their clothes and guess what we've got [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► new sexy people to take off their [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► clothes in the next movie and ride [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► motorbikes I enjoy the new movies [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► they're fine but I don't think that [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► they're trying to do that specifically [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► just you know from what we've seen and [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► from what we can extrapolate from what [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► we know about who they've cast what [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► they've put into it the fact that there [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► are a bunch of people saying that the [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► you know this trailer wasn't white or [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► male enough gentlemen I would like to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► direct you to literally olive starch I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► think you've not been watching a show [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► called Star Trek mm-hmm is all a Star [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► Trek still available to those people [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► they have hope that it hasn't [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► disappeared so I know it's gone it's [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► done they deleted it I mean the thing [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► that that excites me about the writing [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► staff is not just Nick Meyer but the the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► people who stayed behind after Brian [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► Foley left have worked with fuller for [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► years so I don't think they're gonna [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► deviate too far from where he was going [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► with it and and they have Crick visit [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► Kristen or Kirsten Bayer who wrote [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► several Voyager novels which are [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► actually very good they're very good [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah and she's on staff so so I'm [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► I'm kind of trust in the writing staff [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► and the story arc thing it's just like [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► modern modern TV storytelling I'm really [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► excited about that I mean Star Trek put [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► a tan in that with some of the arcs that [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► they had in in Deep Space Nine and [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► Enterprise and maybe a little bit [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► Voyager but here it's going to be you [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► know full-on 2017 TV series it's going [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► to be interesting to see how how that [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► plays out but I am hopeful that we're [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► going to get those moments also for the [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► fact that the trailer is high production [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► value and has lots of action in it you [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► know it's a trailer - that's right [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► they're not going to they start with a [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► quiet introspective moment and then they [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► have lots of explosions in action [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► because they do want to get people [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► excited but III imagine we'll have those [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► moments I don't think we've seen a third [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► of the named actors that have you know [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► had their names out in a variety and [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► deadlines press releases of so-and-so [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► has been cast in circle whole crew of [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► the USS discovery is not in this trailer [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► right and that includes several named [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► actors that we are just not seeing [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► oh the Klingon guy among multiple [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► Klingon guys yeah yeah well it's like [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► you know thinking about that next [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► generation of fans my boys watch the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► trailer and I mean yes they have been [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► inducted into Star Trek just by osmosis [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► because it's just on in our house but [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► but they're watching it going that looks [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► kind of interesting what's going on [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► I said let's watch it again I don't know [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► and we watched it you know four or five [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► times and and they really want to know [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► what's going on they want to know why we [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► haven't seen the discovery and why we [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► don't know what's going on they said [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► what's it about that's exactly that but [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► they weren't they weren't disturbed by [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► the lack of a premise they just wanted [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► to get to the premise it's like well [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► tell me more so I was just kind of like [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► okay they seem not to be ready to tell [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► her that that tell tell us more which is [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► probably again just speculating here but [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► it's probably that something bad happens [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► to that shape and that she is she is put [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► on a different ship and has to deal with [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► what happens so it starts out with them [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► talking and saying well you're my first [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► officer and you you really need a [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► command you need to move up now and we [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► know that she is not moving up right [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► she's not the captain so no something [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► has to keep her at that level right [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► maybe she just likes it interesting yes [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► is the Riker [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► it's a Riker fan she's a right now she [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► should do the Riker River before Riker [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► was even born [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► did this trailer make people uh excited [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► about new Star Trek to come yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► definitely [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► I watched on my phone and that's not [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► really the place to watch it so I was [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► kind of like well alright but then I put [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► it up on the on the Apple TV on the big [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► screen and and yeah I was I was ready [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► yeah I wanted more [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► I am ready I'm excited I am I'm in it [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► feels like Star Trek to me I am fine [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► with people not liking it that's fine I [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► am NOT fine with people saying it's not [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► real Star Trek which just means it's not [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the Star Trek I like which is fine it's [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► not real Star Trek says people who have [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► not seen the Star Trek yet [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► in Doctor Who fandom by the way that [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► phrase is it's not proper Doctor Who and [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► those people will exist for this too and [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► they're dumb people of course you didn't [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► like it as I like but it's dark magics I [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► fully expect a lot of hardcore Star Trek [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► fans to watch the show I'd just hate it [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► because there's no Captain Picard [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► they're not wearing colorful Captain [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► Kirk shirts even though that's stupid [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► whatevs [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► why doesn't why why aren't the sets made [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► of cardboard pepper knobs on the inner [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► this is ten years before the my [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► enterprise and it's too advanced and [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► guess what that's dumb and you're dumb [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► for thinking it I I will say I'm not [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► crazy about the title font but it's much [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► better than the next generation it's [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► grown on me fine David [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► I've got a theme song to talk to you [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► about oh yeah well we don't know that [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► like what's the theme song gonna be I [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► guess we're gonna have to find out [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► anything new I hope it's a remix of the [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► Enterprise theme so no I hope it don't [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► know Eric's no let's just go back to our [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► Kestrel I think everybody's learned [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► their lesson it's been a longer oh god [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► don't I will hang up the sky that's [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► right that's right so take a go guys [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► Tony you excited I'm excited I wish I [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► knew when this was coming exactly yeah [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► you know what Falls a big time yeah I [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► think it's awesome that they've really [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► committed to a three-month period that [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► happens in 2017 because I was a little [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► worried this was gonna be coming January [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► 28th day because they've only committed [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► to 2017 how many times now I think fall [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► means November 30th I don't know I'm [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► hopeful that that they will run the [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► whole of 15 episodes in in calendar 2017 [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► but who knows they we know that they [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► have been shooting already and they have [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► some stuff that looks like finished [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► effects so I mean yeah you know I I [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► would I would say that I'm bullish on [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► them actually delivering it now it's [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► good and I I don't think they would have [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► previewed it at the upfront if it were [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► in like somewhere within its absolute [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► Oberer absolutely I think that's right [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► plus I want to give it a boost they want [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► to they want to premiere it on CBS and [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► get people really intrigued by it and [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► and then fork out money on CBS all [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► access so I'm excited by it I think [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► we'll probably see more and they'll [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► probably give away the premise and [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► they'll take away all this air of [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► mystery that [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► built up with this with this teaser [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► trailer but new Star Trek right I mean [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► fundamentally how could you not be [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► excited about a new Star Trek my my [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► final thought is I mentioned Mass Effect [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► earlier and I am somebody who came very [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► very late to Mass Effect everybody was [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► talking about a great Mass Effect was [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► and and how fantastic it was and how [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► great the storytelling was and all that [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► stuff and it came during a very dark [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► period of me playing games and there are [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► a lot of people who have kind of dealt [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► with a dearth of I guess you would say [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► spaceship going science fiction shows on [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► TV for a while now [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► not just Star Trek and I feel like I [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► feel like you mentioned 2017 TV [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► serialized storytelling styles I think [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► there is that evolution that we've seen [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► in TV that has affected the way that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► stories and a lot of games have been [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► told where we have trilogies of games [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► that tell this big like season arc type [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► of a story per game and I like the idea [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► of you know they're being shows like the [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► good place out there that subvert [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► expectations for what you're going to [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► get by the end of a season of that show [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► and by the end of season one it's almost [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► like you're part of the way into season [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► three of how a network show would [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► ordinarily do things business as usual [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► and I I want to I want to say that my [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► optimism will be rewarded I hope so [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► because Bryan Fuller had so much of a [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► formative influence on this and he [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► trusted the right people to handle the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► show once he left it where we will get [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that kind of Oh God [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► Star Trek can be this now Star Trek can [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► do this kind of stuff it's not hampered [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► by this it doesn't have to meet a [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► specific order number [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► originally we were told it was going to [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► be what like 10 episodes 12 was going to [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► be 12 it was going to be less than 15 [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► episodes and I don't think that they [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► just wanted to add another three [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► episodes I think they found three more [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► episodes of story to tell and that's [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► just the shape that the story took and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► that if there's any of that kind of [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► Kremlinology that I can do about this [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► kind of stuff I really want that to come [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► through and deliver on yeah I I hate [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► even using the word franchise with Star [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► Trek even though it [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► help define what we think as a franchise [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► because to me it is about what it makes [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► me feel and what it has philosophically [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► behind it and I feel like we will get [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► will get breeze magic golden trophy of a [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► this is what this show is kind of [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► elevator pitch yeah I know that we're [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► gonna get that and I can't wait for us [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► to get that for it to hopefully confirm [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► a lot of the the optimism that I've got [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► for this show well you know you know [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► what those three episodes are once they [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► signed rain will scenario 3 order yep [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► the hearing but trilogy yes oh my god I [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► wonder where did that Harry Mudd come [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► I'll just go watch deep space 9 for [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► those uppers yes all right so the the [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► the last thing we got to to do is a [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► tease everybody about what we're going [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► to do at the incomparable about a weekly [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► Star Trek new Star Trek episodes we [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► don't know but I don't know if that's a [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► TV [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► YG's TV series or if it if it's if [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► random Trek does random Trek become [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► linear for 15-week waters and then go [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► back why I don't know what happens I [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► don't know I guess we've got until fall [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► to find out well and of course they have [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► also announced that they're going to [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► follow each episode with yeah talking [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► tracking Trek which is they should hire [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► why have they not hired us to do that [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► yet come on [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► right we're ready we're here yeah CBS [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► you have my numbered les Moonves you [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► know why do you know why all right we're [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► gonna wrap it up here for our flash Star [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► Trek discovery breakdown and enthusiasm [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► podcast and I'm going to thank my guests [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► for being on this last minute last [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► second put together podcast date Laura [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► thank you so say we all geez that's the [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► wrong show wrong show Scott McNulty beam [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► me up we have engaged the Klingons Tony [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► Sindelar live long and prosper [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► good night nerds Moises chu-young we [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► reach use the force Harry no and and [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► Brianna Wu fire phasers fire phasers [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► all right and thanks to everybody out [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► there for listening to the incomparable [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► we'll see you next week goodbye [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► kepta where are we going we have no map [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► and you can't set a course without a [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► star it's hard to imagine you've sucked [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► under me for seven years [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► come on two burner I think it is time we [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► talked about you having your own command [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► to to transport [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► great unifiers a few and far between but [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► they do come often such leaders will [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► need a profound cause for their [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► followers to rally era [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► what am I looking at objective unknown [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► origin we've come all this way captain [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► it would be irresponsible to leave [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► whatever that is unknown where have you [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► done out there on the edge of federation [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► space computer enable igniter [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► captain what signatures detective [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► context Starfleet Command we have [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► engaged the Klingons [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► you will never learn bulken her tongue [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► is too human [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► I'm trying to save you I'm trying to [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► save all of you [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► it's neck cut off its head [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► Starfleet it doesn't fire first we have [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► my people were biologically determined [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► for one purpose alone to sense the [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► coming of death I sense it coming down [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► Oh [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► Oh [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► you [TS]