Cortex 52: CORTEK - WWDC 2017


  I finally did it would you do we're in [TS]

  the same place we're working on [TS]

  something together in the same place [TS]

  it's really uncomfortable because Mike [TS]

  is looking directly into my eyes where [TS]

  are Sam I gonna look well you do this [TS]

  when you record in person for the [TS]

  listeners I'm looking to the side of the [TS]

  room I'm not looking directly at the mic [TS]

  well I don't you didn't know this before [TS]

  we started buying we'll be locking eyes [TS]

  of you for the next two hours oh I think [TS]

  I'm not sure what I've agreed to this [TS]

  are you really good look no I don't know [TS]

  okay thank God because it's really weird [TS]

  there will be times where I'm gonna like [TS]

  right now I'm looking at you but I'm not [TS]

  gonna look at you for the whole time [TS]

  okay I appreciate that I'm looking down [TS]

  now thank you [TS]

  rat WWC again we are but last year you [TS]

  made me record in a hotel room and you [TS]

  were in your hotel room and we use Skype [TS]

  yes that's true this year [TS]

  hmm you suggested why don't we record in [TS]

  person I didn't suggest it I feel like [TS]

  he did I didn't I didn't suggest it you [TS]

  suggested it okay and here's the thing I [TS]

  agreed because I have a lot of audio [TS]

  equipment in my room right now that I [TS]

  really didn't want to go in box ah that [TS]

  makes sense okay for the button on me [TS]

  last year I was all set to go and I was [TS]

  thinking oh I think shows a better if [TS]

  you record separately mm-hmm but this [TS]

  year I just didn't really feel like [TS]

  unboxing all of these boxes so here we [TS]

  are together in the same room if you [TS]

  thought about the potential issue if you [TS]

  really enjoy this no we would have to [TS]

  record in person all the time well [TS]

  that's fine okay you can you can come [TS]

  out to me every every time we record a [TS]

  show to your office uh no I uh I can [TS]

  have a rental space the recording studio [TS]

  you get on several recordings yeah we [TS]

  can have we can have a central London [TS]

  cortex recording studio okay but I don't [TS]

  I don't think this is going to happen [TS]

  Mike [TS]

  okay well we'll say you never know you [TS]

  might like it I don't know I'm feeling [TS]

  very uncomfortable right now would you [TS]

  like to turn around I am very surprised [TS]

  that we're looking at each of a face to [TS]

  face I did consider I did consider why [TS]

  are you shaking your head it would have [TS]

  been so ridiculous I Steve consider us [TS]

  facing in opposite directions in the [TS]

  same room but I thought let me try not [TS]

  to be a burden upon other people well [TS]

  all the time I would be turning around [TS]

  to look at you think what's he up to [TS]

  over there [TS]

  thinking well I just like I'd say [TS]

  something you know I turn around about [TS]

  what do you think but that wouldn't make [TS]

  any sense that wouldn't make any sense [TS]

  now [TS]

  no so I mentioned it but we're in we're [TS]

  in San Jose the WTC so we recorded last [TS]

  year at the BW C in San Francisco yeah [TS]

  so this is Apple's developer conference [TS]

  and we just come here to hang out right [TS]

  we have like a bunch of friends who [TS]

  attend the conference and there's a lot [TS]

  of periphery events and we were doing [TS]

  some stuff a relay FM and what do you [TS]

  think is San Jose well I'm really glad [TS]

  because last year I wasn't I wasn't a [TS]

  hundred percent sure if I was going to [TS]

  go to WWDC and I ended up just sort of [TS]

  going to see the thing and now I am [TS]

  doubly glad that I went last year [TS]

  because I have a frame of reference to [TS]

  compare the last San Francisco WWDC to [TS]

  the now San Jose WWDC that everybody's [TS]

  talking about what are all the [TS]

  differences mm-hmm and I would have felt [TS]

  very left out of 40% of the [TS]

  conversations about how San Jose is [TS]

  different from San Francisco so I'm [TS]

  super glad that I went to the one last [TS]

  year just for the comparison for this [TS]

  year I mean in many ways I have no [TS]

  business being here I'm not here as a [TS]

  developer so I have a very different [TS]

  perspective on it but my feeling from [TS]

  what I've seen is it seems like San Jose [TS]

  is a total win for the conference on [TS]

  almost every single metric and then [TS]

  there's one metric that everybody agrees [TS]

  it's not a win on and that's not a [TS]

  metric I care about so for me it's it's [TS]

  ticking 10 out of 10 boxes for better [TS]

  location than San Francisco yeah the [TS]

  metric that I'm assuming you don't care [TS]

  about is that Boz don't open his light [TS]

  yeah bars closed early restaurants [TS]

  closed early and on all the [TS]

  conversations everybody's complaining [TS]

  about it and I'm sitting there secretly [TS]

  thinking yes like I get an excuse to go [TS]

  to bed yeah or like it pushes us into [TS]

  more reasonable more quiet locations [TS]

  that's true [TS]

  oh no we can't be at a loud bar until [TS]

  1:00 in the morning oh what a shame cuz [TS]

  I actually chicken plus column so I [TS]

  think it's great yeah I think I spent [TS]

  more time in the hotel bar then than I [TS]

  would usually and until I do actually [TS]

  groove you like last night there was [TS]

  some kind of rowdy party [TS]

  in the hotel boss we came back from like [TS]

  a meal and we come into the hotel and [TS]

  there were just these two groups the [TS]

  table was about eight people and on them [TS]

  and they were just shouting each other [TS]

  like just just at the top of their [TS]

  voices nothing was happening but these [TS]

  people were just shouting alone [TS]

  Oh anything to do with this so we will [TS]

  so we will just bundled into my hotel [TS]

  room and just sat around Chang and it [TS]

  was like eight of us for a while we're [TS]

  just hanging out and that was way nicer [TS]

  because that's what you know that's what [TS]

  I like and and one of the things about a [TS]

  lot of these conferences is really what [TS]

  you want to do is just hang out with the [TS]

  people and talk to your friends because [TS]

  not only we catching up there's also [TS]

  just a lot to talk about this week [TS]

  hooray and everybody's sharing things [TS]

  that they found out and pieces of [TS]

  information and like experiences so [TS]

  people just want to do that but those [TS]

  places are usually where alcohol is [TS]

  served and where bars are and the stuff [TS]

  like so it gets a bit tricky like it [TS]

  reminds me whenever we set up meetup so [TS]

  we didn't meet up here and I've done a [TS]

  few in London now I always have to spend [TS]

  extra time explaining to the bar or or [TS]

  the venue that we're in that I want the [TS]

  lights on and no music and they can't [TS]

  understand why what they think it's [TS]

  going to be a party right would want [TS]

  that and like people just can be talking [TS]

  to each other like music makes it worse [TS]

  not a party we don't we don't want music [TS]

  please them music but I agree like this [TS]

  is a vastly superior location than [TS]

  downtown San Francisco for an event like [TS]

  this basically for WWDC the majority of [TS]

  attendees in the majority of people that [TS]

  are coming to attend periphery events [TS]

  like me and you we don't leave like a [TS]

  four five block radius of the hotel on [TS]

  the convention centre and that area of [TS]

  San Francisco as we discussed last time [TS]

  it's not organized part of San Francisco [TS]

  no and I mean I don't know how did this [TS]

  this five block radius of downtown San [TS]

  Jose compares to the rest of San Jose [TS]

  but it is vastly superior to that of San [TS]

  Francisco there's again that there are [TS]

  food options there aren't as many there [TS]

  are bar options there aren't as many [TS]

  none of them are open is late but it [TS]

  works out just fine like it I know why [TS]

  people have been looking for those [TS]

  things but [TS]

  iq I'm really good with what we've had [TS]

  and there's a nice little coffee place [TS]

  near our hotel and you know it's been [TS]

  really nice and I feel like I can walk [TS]

  around the streets and not worry about [TS]

  things like I do when I'm in San [TS]

  Francisco so I mean I think that's [TS]

  everything has been a big win oh yeah [TS]

  yeah and when you go to these places it [TS]

  is a thing that I'm very where you're [TS]

  judging a city on a three block radius [TS]

  yep Raisa oh yes San Jose I know the [TS]

  whole city I know three streets right [TS]

  but it's like that that is the entire [TS]

  perspective but the reality of it is [TS]

  that is the conference world [TS]

  so those streets matter a lot and you [TS]

  know we're where we were in in San [TS]

  Francisco and where the conference was [TS]

  those those streets were an apocalypse [TS]

  yeah they were terribly there I'm sure [TS]

  there are plenty of lovely areas of San [TS]

  Francisco I've been to them but the the [TS]

  place that the conference was it made [TS]

  San Francisco seem like a dystopian [TS]

  hellscape yes it's like there's a bunch [TS]

  of lovely places in San Francisco but [TS]

  you're either gonna be staying like a 20 [TS]

  minute journey away from where everybody [TS]

  is or go or like everyone's gonna have [TS]

  to pile into taxis and go out for any [TS]

  dinner like it doesn't work it's just [TS]

  where the venues are and the convention [TS]

  took the area around the convention [TS]

  centers here and there are just [TS]

  populated differently yeah and the [TS]

  tightness of the radius adds to the [TS]

  experience because it dramatically [TS]

  increases the probability of running [TS]

  into people which is which is nice which [TS]

  I also think is an additional benefit of [TS]

  San Jose is it really does feel like [TS]

  WWDC has descended on this area which [TS]

  was population wise much smaller than [TS]

  the same block radius in San Francisco [TS]

  and I have had the experience numerous [TS]

  times of walking between the various [TS]

  hotels because I'm on my way to go see a [TS]

  thing or go meet a person and while [TS]

  doing that bumping into somebody else [TS]

  and being able to say hi quickly yeah [TS]

  and that's really nice like that's such [TS]

  a nice experience that it almost makes [TS]

  it like a like a faux college campus for [TS]

  a brief period of time which is great [TS]

  like that that's that's what you want [TS]

  for this kind of experience [TS]

  oh I have I have chance random [TS]

  encounters with people that I know or [TS]

  yeah I've just met and it's very nice [TS]

  WWC is completely taken over at like san [TS]

  francisco takes the conference in its [TS]

  stride yes it's like it doesn't make a [TS]

  difference because there's always a [TS]

  conference or there's always something [TS]

  yeah I was really aware of that feeling [TS]

  in San Francisco of walking out of the [TS]

  hotel and standing on the street and [TS]

  feeling like I have been absorbed into a [TS]

  metropolis of San Francisco and the [TS]

  probability of bumping into someone was [TS]

  very low I think the number of times I [TS]

  bumped into someone on the street from [TS]

  the conference in San Francisco was [TS]

  maybe once or twice at most in the whole [TS]

  the whole time that I was there I think [TS]

  it's changing the mindset well I was all [TS]

  those people were also there you don't [TS]

  pay attention to people as they're [TS]

  walking around because Deb just Joe [TS]

  Schmo going to see Alcatraz right yes [TS]

  yes the other thing that I think helps [TS]

  with that feeling is I don't I don't [TS]

  know if I just tuned into it less in San [TS]

  Francisco but it feels like the [TS]

  developers have these really [TS]

  identifiable jackets okay so there are [TS]

  jackets every year but the jackets this [TS]

  year are more they stand out a lot more [TS]

  yeah they really do they have that they [TS]

  have these really the very cool-looking [TS]

  black Jean that Levi's jacket so Levi's [TS]

  denim jackets with which Apple kind of [TS]

  branded with WWDC 17 on them like [TS]

  previously they were these kind of like [TS]

  hoodie type things big numbers on the [TS]

  back so they're actually in theory more [TS]

  noticeable because it was people who [TS]

  known as huge numbers on their back but [TS]

  they were so nondescript that you kind [TS]

  of were playing them out I can't even [TS]

  remember what they look like but I feel [TS]

  like these jackets are super [TS]

  distinguishable and then a plus that I [TS]

  really like is it is I've heard from the [TS]

  people who have been inside the [TS]

  conference that they're able to do some [TS]

  kind of scavenger hunt for all of these [TS]

  pins they get on the jackets and I find [TS]

  I find my brain really Tunes into these [TS]

  little pins like a little swift pin or a [TS]

  smiley pin it seems like there's some [TS]

  kind of scavenger hunt going on and what [TS]

  I think this is great for just just an [TS]

  idea for a conference I think that is a [TS]

  genius conversation starter because you [TS]

  have the thing where you can identify ah [TS]

  here's the jacket the person's at the [TS]

  same thing and it gives you an in with [TS]

  almost every [TS]

  you want to be able to say oh what did [TS]

  you get that pin for they're also [TS]

  encouraging like it does encourage [TS]

  swapping and trading hmm WWC this year [TS]

  again so just from talking to people who [TS]

  have been inside and/or standing at the [TS]

  outside of the Convention Center past [TS]

  the barriers and longingly looking at [TS]

  the Convention Center [TS]

  that's been my experiences so far yeah [TS]

  but before we started recording I was [TS]

  telling Mike that the saddest I have [TS]

  been so far was on keno morning I [TS]

  thought I just arrived in the city and I [TS]

  thought oh I'm gonna go look and see [TS]

  what the conference center looks like [TS]

  and I went out there to take a look and [TS]

  I just felt like the saddest excluded [TS]

  person on the outside because I have no [TS]

  badge and then two to top it off I'm [TS]

  looking at who the conference center [TS]

  looks amazing and this is huge exciting [TS]

  line and as I'm standing there looking [TS]

  on the line like my friends start waving [TS]

  to me from the cool insider part and I [TS]

  was just like it might it the skies [TS]

  might as well have opened up and rained [TS]

  down upon just me and that well no [TS]

  colors right down this that is 100% how [TS]

  I felt in that moment I was like oh I'm [TS]

  so sad but so yes that is our experience [TS]

  from outside the conference yeah but [TS]

  it's it's it's more festively yeah that [TS]

  that is exactly it it feels like there [TS]

  is this festival throughout the whole [TS]

  thing people are engaged in all of these [TS]

  different activities all of the [TS]

  peripheral conferences are literally [TS]

  next door or just across the street [TS]

  yep so you can pop between different [TS]

  different things it's been really great [TS]

  it's really fun I think even if someone [TS]

  who's not directly participating it the [TS]

  collectible pins are a genius idea that [TS]

  other conferences should totally pick up [TS]

  on as a way to encourage communication [TS]

  and recognizability among conference [TS]

  attendees so I've been to a conference [TS]

  that did this and I actually think this [TS]

  is the conference that inspired Apple to [TS]

  do this so the last xoxo in Portland [TS]

  when you checked in they gave you three [TS]

  pin badges but there were like 12 hmm [TS]

  and if you found one you wanted they [TS]

  were couraging pin exchange and they [TS]

  were like on the slack and never like an [TS]

  xoxo slack for attendees they had like a [TS]

  whole room for like pin swapping and the [TS]

  pins are so [TS]

  reminiscent because there's these enamel [TS]

  pens and all these colors I think that [TS]

  they might have like cryptic idea from [TS]

  there but it's great it's a great one [TS]

  yeah whoever came up with say XOXO came [TS]

  up with it it's a great it's fantastic [TS]

  because it's like you'll see someone and [TS]

  be like oh hey I love your pen but I [TS]

  love that one and you swap in your chat [TS]

  it's like it's a nice thing and if you [TS]

  say like there is basically there were [TS]

  certain events certain talks or sessions [TS]

  as Apple calls them that if you went to [TS]

  them you were given a bow down so like [TS]

  and it was also I think it's a way for [TS]

  them to encourage attendance like there [TS]

  was a special badge for the [TS]

  accessibility sessions [TS]

  oh gee okay that is total genius right [TS]

  it was either the session or the labs [TS]

  you in the labs you go and talk to the [TS]

  engineers so they can give you advice on [TS]

  it so if you went and participated in [TS]

  that so to help people who have [TS]

  different disabilities use your [TS]

  applications they will give you a pin [TS]

  that is that is so smart [TS]

  I've been aware talking to some okay so [TS]

  here's the thing that use the thing that [TS]

  I would just never normally do because [TS]

  everybody is so recognizable and because [TS]

  of the pins I have on occasion struck up [TS]

  conversations just very briefly in the [TS]

  elevator right which is the thing like I [TS]

  would never do but it's like it's [TS]

  begging you to do it and some of the [TS]

  pins are really interesting and so I've [TS]

  just said like oh what you know what was [TS]

  out in where'd you get it from and I've [TS]

  been aware that there's that some of [TS]

  them seem rarer than others yeah but I [TS]

  didn't realize tying it to session [TS]

  attendants is an is like another great [TS]

  reason to do that to encourage people I [TS]

  guess we want as many people to just [TS]

  come to the accessibility session so [TS]

  that they're aware of what exists that [TS]

  is a really great it's really great and [TS]

  if you think like a conference like this [TS]

  there's so much standing in lines you [TS]

  know you're lining up for everything [TS]

  having an ability to be able to turn [TS]

  around and culture someone is great [TS]

  because so many people come on their own [TS]

  or like they know people that are here [TS]

  were on inside right right like I have I [TS]

  know a bunch of people like I know who [TS]

  they are like with their friends but [TS]

  they don't know anybody inside right or [TS]

  like I spoken to a bunch of people in [TS]

  the same way right like that none of [TS]

  their co-workers got tickets just them [TS]

  so they're going in and like it seems [TS]

  like I mean it seems like it's nice in [TS]

  there I would [TS]

  no we don't get to go in but it looks [TS]

  like it enables people to talk to each [TS]

  other in the inner in a fun way and I [TS]

  think that's really good yeah I do think [TS]

  that's really good but Monday you [TS]

  mentioned the keynote so it was quite a [TS]

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  their support of this show we watched [TS]

  the keynote together which you got to [TS]

  see me scream in a bunch I think with [TS]

  was something that you experienced yeah [TS]

  there was excitement all around on all [TS]

  sides it was it was [TS]

  really fun I think again to to compare [TS]

  the experience last year versus this [TS]

  year I really really like going WDC last [TS]

  year I felt like we had a very very [TS]

  great time watching the keynote last [TS]

  year at the Twitter headquarters it was [TS]

  awesome to be invited to that and it was [TS]

  super fucker that was the first time I [TS]

  had ever had the experience of watching [TS]

  a keynote not by myself I hate the other [TS]

  ones watching the other ones no because [TS]

  when the WWC I've lost like four years [TS]

  we'll watch the keynote with other [TS]

  people someone like the iPhone event [TS]

  comes around and I'm just sitting in my [TS]

  living room with Tim Cook on the TV it's [TS]

  so boring [TS]

  oh is it like the WDC stuff I always [TS]

  watch on my own but the iPhone keynote [TS]

  event my wife is always very interested [TS]

  in that and so we least watch it [TS]

  together yeah and she's very excited so [TS]

  I know I always feel like oh we watched [TS]

  the iPhone event together it's all pour [TS]

  a glass of wine like we'll sit back and [TS]

  now impress us apples show us your magic [TS]

  is so I have a very nice association [TS]

  with that one with the WWDC one for the [TS]

  past many years it's always been like oh [TS]

  I'm just a sad nerd on my own watching [TS]

  it so tell me about API yes well the API [TS]

  slide went by so quickly I'll have to [TS]

  wait for the technical yeah yeah yeah it [TS]

  was like it was it was really it was [TS]

  really interesting and a very [TS]

  interesting experience to watch it last [TS]

  year at Twitter in a room full of I [TS]

  don't know must been 50 people that was [TS]

  a love yeah there was a lot of people [TS]

  there that great food oh my god yes I [TS]

  swear I swear Twitter if you're [TS]

  listening I still think about your [TS]

  breakfast burritos I rely real everyone [TS]

  so I'll just remember like that [TS]

  breakfast burrito at Twitter so good if [TS]

  I remember you are a roof strict carb [TS]

  diet at that point ever you were just [TS]

  like it's going out of the window today [TS]

  yeah that that was it was too good it [TS]

  was too good to pass on but so that [TS]

  again it's it's great this year to have [TS]

  a mental comparison because this this [TS]

  year was a very different experience [TS]

  because there were I don't know what [TS]

  eight of us those eight of us eight of [TS]

  us in a hotel room watching it and [TS]

  obviously were people who have come to [TS]

  WDC we're all really interested really [TS]

  invested in what's happening and that [TS]

  felt like another whole very great way [TS]

  to watch the keynote with a smaller [TS]

  group of friends and also because you [TS]

  know everybody in that room you know [TS]

  what particular people care about or [TS]

  interest about so even in some of the [TS]

  sections where I'm less interested it [TS]

  was still fun to see the reactions of my [TS]

  friends who I know like Oh for them the [TS]

  Mack section like there they're really [TS]

  interested in what's happening here and [TS]

  and like I didn't come into this with [TS]

  big hopes with that so it's like I [TS]

  really enjoyed having those different [TS]

  perspectives live in the room so it was [TS]

  really it was really fun it was really [TS]

  fun yeah and also in those scenarios [TS]

  when it's just a group of friends like [TS]

  I'm more willing to show my true [TS]

  emotions right then it's like I'm in an [TS]

  office of it some big company right [TS]

  there was no whooping and hollering at [TS]

  the Twitter headquarters because you [TS]

  have to pretend like you're super cool [TS]

  in front of Twitter you sit back you're [TS]

  like oh yeah thing is there's this was a [TS]

  much more whooping and hollering year I [TS]

  think than last year I think one of the [TS]

  funny things about last year's WWDC I [TS]

  mean we did a big event that big live [TS]

  event that we did mm-hmm and we recorded [TS]

  a show and I remember the whole time I'm [TS]

  like okay whatever they talk about is [TS]

  what I'm gonna hell I'm gonna plan out [TS]

  the content and there wasn't really a [TS]

  lot you know like the plan initially was [TS]

  for me and you to talk about whatever [TS]

  happened to the iPad right nothing [TS]

  happened yeah so it was it was a kind of [TS]

  an underwhelming WWDC last year like it [TS]

  there wasn't there was some cool stuff [TS]

  like I still use in like stickers I [TS]

  think it was a good addition but that [TS]

  was like the biggest thing that was [TS]

  there headlining feature but for like [TS]

  consumers were just these changes to [TS]

  iMessage but this year is like [TS]

  everything everything everyone got their [TS]

  thing this year yeah like there is [TS]

  nothing going into the reader BC there [TS]

  is nothing that I wanted that they [TS]

  didn't address in some way here's here's [TS]

  my feeling of what they managed to pull [TS]

  off at this WWDC like every everybody in [TS]

  the world went into the this hall to [TS]

  watch to see Tim Cook came on stage and [TS]

  said look under your chair everyone [TS]

  there's a box for you and you could [TS]

  reach under your chair and you could [TS]

  open the box and there was something [TS]

  just for you in the box for everyone in [TS]

  that in that theater so that's what they [TS]

  managed to pull off like there was [TS]

  nobody [TS]

  who [TS]

  who didn't get something that felt like [TS]

  this is the thing you're waiting for or [TS]

  the thing that you want to hear about so [TS]

  very very aggressive keynote like I had [TS]

  some things that were on my total wish [TS]

  list mm-hmm like Apple embracing VR [TS]

  mm-hmm like oh man [TS]

  yeah I had no expectations honestly for [TS]

  that to ever happen I thought that [TS]

  they've missed the boat on it mm-hmm and [TS]

  you know and I've been talking to some [TS]

  people who know their stuff and people [TS]

  have been tweeting at me to kind of give [TS]

  me information about like some of the [TS]

  graphic stuff that they're using and [TS]

  again as you would expect it's nowhere [TS]

  near top-of-the-line mm but it for me [TS]

  it's the it's just that Apple or [TS]

  understanding that VR is something the [TS]

  Mac should be able to do yeah and [TS]

  they're starting to make machines that [TS]

  are powerful enough to cope with it [TS]

  mm-hmm that's what I want I mean I've [TS]

  been recently like we were talking about [TS]

  the Corsair recently and I've been just [TS]

  like thinking well I gotta do but now [TS]

  and now I just think if I just wait a [TS]

  little bit longer I don't think I don't [TS]

  think the iMac Pro is for me mm-hmm [TS]

  but like I'm just kind of keeping my eye [TS]

  on things that there are these external [TS]

  GPUs that they're working with and this [TS]

  may be this Mac Pro in 2018 like maybe [TS]

  some one one combination or not these [TS]

  machines could be all I need for decent [TS]

  gaming VR my Mac yeah yeah the the VR [TS]

  thing I also agree felt totally out of [TS]

  left field yes in an already very packed [TS]

  keynote and a thing that they gave a [TS]

  bunch of time to and I love that they [TS]

  did the VR demo on the regular IMAX yeah [TS]

  like I was good they weren't they [TS]

  weren't showing off like oh we have a [TS]

  pre-production I'm Mac Pro on stage and [TS]

  we're going to give you a demo VR demo [TS]

  with our $5,000 machine is I know our [TS]

  next generation of regular IMAX can do [TS]

  VR and I found that totally surprising [TS]

  and and really very welcome as I was [TS]

  watching it happen for like a feeling of [TS]

  just relief like just like we have had [TS]

  the conversation about VR and you have [TS]

  always very much been pushing this [TS]

  feeling of like I think they're missing [TS]

  the boat on this [TS]

  that that they're not placing a bet on [TS]

  the table and I too didn't expect they'd [TS]

  even address it but twos to see it done [TS]

  in such a way to given time and I also [TS]

  thought very interestingly done in a [TS]

  done in a way that's a demo about [TS]

  working in VR as opposed to yeah gaming [TS]

  in VR they aren't talking about making [TS]

  stuff hmm as opposed to playing games [TS]

  but the fact that they have support for [TS]

  the two two largest game engines and [TS]

  steam is that with their games apart of [TS]

  this yeah but like Apple is they're [TS]

  focusing more on the creation of 3d [TS]

  content right now because there are no [TS]

  games that can run right so I think [TS]

  that's why they're like oh make your [TS]

  games is kind of what they're saying [TS]

  yeah because that's the message because [TS]

  you can't take a current game and just [TS]

  start playing it so that I think they're [TS]

  pitching it right but I I think people [TS]

  are getting a little bit too hung up on [TS]

  the verbage to apples using VR is gaming [TS]

  and if they're not doing that then [TS]

  they're crazy and they are doing that [TS]

  it's a clear zone they put a steam slide [TS]

  up like it's gaming yeah but there's [TS]

  just no games even if in many ways was a [TS]

  demo out of necessity I still think it [TS]

  was a very Apple II demo to focus on [TS]

  creation that oh that always feels like [TS]

  one of the the bullet points that they [TS]

  want to hit with other products and [TS]

  their services is look at how we can [TS]

  enable you to create things and so if in [TS]

  in a year or two they may be able to [TS]

  demo an amazing VR game on the Mac but I [TS]

  can imagine them continuing that theme [TS]

  of liking to show off what you can make [TS]

  in VR yeah as opposed to just doing a [TS]

  graphics demo they really don't em in [TS]

  there as a company they have games as [TS]

  games on their platforms they are not a [TS]

  games company like this is the thing [TS]

  about Apple I think it's really funny [TS]

  when they say on stage something like oh [TS]

  we're the biggest gaming company in the [TS]

  world because of the iPhone and the FS [TS]

  like like yeah by default [TS]

  yeah it's exactly by default you are but [TS]

  you're not really no you just you let [TS]

  these games exist on your platform but [TS]

  you're not building controllers or all [TS]

  click you're not a gaming company in in [TS]

  the way Nintendo is a gaming company [TS]

  I mean this is like even like apples [TS]

  back-end systems are just not built for [TS]

  the way that game development work like [TS]

  that it's just not budget because they [TS]

  have the largest software distribution [TS]

  platform in the world right so people [TS]

  just keep putting games out on the [TS]

  system anyway right right because this [TS]

  is like a billion devices [TS]

  yeah something crazy right so it's like [TS]

  it you know it's similar to Android but [TS]

  there are many differences yes right and [TS]

  and I think that it's like they talk [TS]

  about games and they have games but then [TS]

  gaming company yeah no they're not [TS]

  they're not in their sole gaming come on [TS]

  it's like oh I guess we just sell games [TS]

  now too [TS]

  that's kind of how they kind of stumbled [TS]

  into it but I'm really happy like more [TS]

  powerful Max is a good thing right and [TS]

  the ability to do vr gaming is a good [TS]

  thing yeah it's a really good thing but [TS]

  of course the biggest the biggest stuff [TS]

  for me and you was iPad right that's [TS]

  what we were looking for I mean it was [TS]

  the make or break yeah yeah for the iPad [TS]

  because you know we've all Iowa's time [TS]

  we got all the stuff that meant that [TS]

  mean you could be working on our iPad [TS]

  all day because of iOS 9 nothing [TS]

  happened in 10 hmm and it was like wow [TS]

  okay show us what you got and they did [TS]

  they show us what they have and they're [TS]

  I think maybe to like hugely fundamental [TS]

  changes to iOS which is an exposed [TS]

  filesystem a management of that mm-hm [TS]

  and the way that they have adapted [TS]

  multitasking they're basically burnt [TS]

  multitasking down a rebuilt it and it [TS]

  all focuses around a dock now oh and [TS]

  drag and drop as well being the addition [TS]

  to multitasking right yeah my head I [TS]

  kind of roll that up with multitasking [TS]

  yeah even though it's an incredibly [TS]

  different thing yeah it the two of them [TS]

  on stage look like they go so well [TS]

  together that it's it's I find like my [TS]

  brain is not mentally separating them [TS]

  out as two distinct things even though [TS]

  obviously they are exactly and the way [TS]

  I've been hearing people talk about [TS]

  these advancements and I agree of it [TS]

  completely is that there's a lot of [TS]

  people saying oh they they told the iPad [TS]

  to be a Mac they thought that I've had [TS]

  to be at a real computer but I think the [TS]

  why Paul is actually done [TS]

  is taken these fundamental tenants of [TS]

  what it means to be a personal computer [TS]

  boil them down to what they are at their [TS]

  core and then built them for iOS so the [TS]

  ability to drag and drop them easily [TS]

  move around files and content in which [TS]

  apps are aware of each other the ability [TS]

  to be able to have multiple things on [TS]

  screen at one time and the ability to be [TS]

  able to access your files wherever you [TS]

  want them because all of these things [TS]

  especially drag and drop they make more [TS]

  sense to me here than they do on my Mac [TS]

  mmm [TS]

  well the iPad always has the advantage [TS]

  that you are directly manipulating the [TS]

  thing with either your hand or with the [TS]

  pencil and I think from a from a UI [TS]

  designer perspective that is quite a [TS]

  challenge to think of how do you want to [TS]

  make something that works like that but [TS]

  it also has the big advantage that once [TS]

  you see someone do it and once you [TS]

  yourself do it one or two times it's [TS]

  like your brain can lean on it's it's [TS]

  like muscle memory of the real world and [TS]

  so with the drag-and-drop so like oh yes [TS]

  of course I touch this thing and I know [TS]

  that in it in this digital universe when [TS]

  I touch something else like it will fly [TS]

  to my other finger and then I can move [TS]

  it around and you only have to do that a [TS]

  couple of times before your brain gets [TS]

  the metaphor yep there there isn't there [TS]

  isn't that level of indirection of oh [TS]

  I'm copying these files from this thing [TS]

  and I don't see the move I just see a [TS]

  progress bar I I think a lot of people [TS]

  have a hard time with that and it's it's [TS]

  why many people struggle with file [TS]

  management on a Mac and it's why a lots [TS]

  of people do like an iPad because they [TS]

  don't have to use that stuff but for the [TS]

  more pro power [TS]

  iPad users it's very great to be able to [TS]

  do the drag-and-drop stuff and also have [TS]

  that feeling of oh I just it's so easy [TS]

  because I'm just tap tap tap I can see [TS]

  what's happening and it just it slots [TS]

  into your brain in a in an easy way and [TS]

  just the things that I'm learning about [TS]

  the drag-and-drop in the way that it [TS]

  works just so very clever [TS]

  you know that is it's enabling and [TS]

  keeping all that security in place but [TS]

  it's apparently it's it's work for [TS]

  developers but not as much as it may [TS]

  seem to be initially and it's there's [TS]

  been some demos are some really [TS]

  interesting stuff about the way that [TS]

  other applications can extract relevant [TS]

  data so for example there's a demo that [TS]

  Apple has been doing as part of their [TS]

  presentations where they have the Photos [TS]

  app and the Maps app side by side and [TS]

  you take a photo and drop it onto the [TS]

  maps app and it takes you to the [TS]

  location the photo was taken ice so [TS]

  there is all of this stuff where like [TS]

  you as an app developer can say what [TS]

  types of data you're looking for and [TS]

  also what your files contain and when [TS]

  you drag one over the other that [TS]

  application is looking for the relevant [TS]

  information that it can extract from any [TS]

  file mm-hmm and then duals of it it was [TS]

  very very clever stuff and it really [TS]

  does feel like just a massive win mm-hmm [TS]

  like all of the really big things that [TS]

  we needed on the iPad have been [TS]

  addressed yeah I would agree with that [TS]

  and so it's it's very interesting [TS]

  because another reason why I like being [TS]

  physically here at WWDC is related to [TS]

  this because when you're sitting in a [TS]

  keynote and particularly this keynote [TS]

  which has the magic box for everybody [TS]

  they're running through everything [TS]

  onstage and I swear I've never seen them [TS]

  go through more stuff faster you know [TS]

  those words slides that they have at the [TS]

  end we're hilarious sometimes rather for [TS]

  they they run through the main things [TS]

  and they say oh we've done a bunch of [TS]

  other stuff for iOS and they put a word [TS]

  cloud up on the screen and they move on [TS]

  sometimes those word clouds are up for [TS]

  for like two seconds like we gotta keep [TS]

  moving on and they run for two seconds [TS]

  with many many words and we were all on [TS]

  Twitter it's gonna did anybody catch [TS]

  them with what was on there I need to [TS]

  know what was I couldn't even see it for [TS]

  two seconds um there was so much stuff [TS]

  and when when you're seeing them demo [TS]

  things like drag and drop on screen and [TS]

  demoing the new versions of app [TS]

  switching and all of this stuff [TS]

  I'm sitting here watching it I think I [TS]

  can see what they're doing and this [TS]

  looks amazing [TS]

  but there is always that part which is [TS]

  but I don't really get it until I can [TS]

  play around with it because you you know [TS]

  they're showing you things under certain [TS]

  circumstances and like they've set up [TS]

  demos to do particular things and you [TS]

  don't have an ability to understand how [TS]

  does this really work in what are the [TS]

  edge cases and so being a WWDC is [TS]

  fantastic because as soon as that [TS]

  keynote is over someone is going to be [TS]

  crazy enough to load the beta of the [TS]

  developer build right on their iPad [TS]

  immediately and this year it was David [TS]

  sparks who runs two podcasts if I'm [TS]

  right on this network he does which you [TS]

  should go listen to especially if you're [TS]

  listening to cortex you should in [TS]

  particular listen to free agents that he [TS]

  does with Jason's now if you like this [TS]

  show you will almost certainly like that [TS]

  check I think I think so there's gonna [TS]

  be a lot of overlap of a Venn diagram uh [TS]

  but yeah so David sparks had that the [TS]

  build on his iPad super fast basically [TS]

  immediately yes yeah he must have been [TS]

  one of the very first people in the [TS]

  whole of the conference to get it loaded [TS]

  and being here at WWDC then means it [TS]

  went very shortly after the keynote has [TS]

  happened ah he was nice enough to let me [TS]

  play around with his iPad uh mess up [TS]

  lots of things and and rearranging [TS]

  leaves rearranging all of his icons [TS]

  dragging and dropping emails and a room [TS]

  ever how does this work bird is this [TS]

  code what happens if I do it like oh god [TS]

  I would never let someone touch mode [TS]

  even though he was incredibly generous [TS]

  oh thanks again David but we got to play [TS]

  around with it and and that's the moment [TS]

  where as a person trying to understand [TS]

  what does this mean for how my workflows [TS]

  are going to happen what does this mean [TS]

  for the future of the way I do work on a [TS]

  device that's deeply important to me [TS]

  that's where the understanding comes in [TS]

  and in the first 20 minutes of playing [TS]

  with it I think we both have the same [TS]

  experience of okay now that we have our [TS]

  hands on it you start out with a bunch [TS]

  of concerns because what [TS]

  realizing is out of the way I do [TS]

  everything is broken and the way I'm [TS]

  used to managing a bunch of windows is [TS]

  not going to work and so you start out [TS]

  by thinking oh god I like I don't know [TS]

  how this is going I'm not sure if this [TS]

  is a good thing but I was very happy [TS]

  that over the course of those 20 minutes [TS]

  playing around I felt like okay I [TS]

  understand we're not now focused on [TS]

  individual apps were focused on the [TS]

  equivalent of spaces on the Mac and [TS]

  switching between these and playing was [TS]

  slide over and very quickly I could see [TS]

  how is this going to change the way I [TS]

  work and from from that's like hey [TS]

  something seemed a little clunky but [TS]

  it's partly me just getting used to it [TS]

  and I was overall very very happy at the [TS]

  end of it feeling like this is this is [TS]

  great like this new dock is incredibly [TS]

  strange I don't know what's going to [TS]

  happen there there's a bunch of stuff to [TS]

  figure out but I was I was really really [TS]

  happy to have an opportunity to play [TS]

  around with it and get a bit of muscle [TS]

  memory feel for how this is going to [TS]

  work and the Apple watch originally came [TS]

  out it was weird mm-hmm so my software [TS]

  perspective there were just a lot of [TS]

  things about really weird yeah and then [TS]

  watch OS 2 improved a little bit and [TS]

  then watch OS 3 felt like they had [TS]

  redesigned watch OS based on the fact [TS]

  that I'd actually used the watch right [TS]

  and I feel like that this version of iOS [TS]

  on the iPad has been made by people who [TS]

  have been using iOS on the iPad [TS]

  seriously over the last two years that [TS]

  that is a great comparison that's a [TS]

  great comparison because we have to [TS]

  start again in some ways but I feel like [TS]

  the scale is way better like it will [TS]

  scale better over time because you have [TS]

  more flexibility about the way that you [TS]

  arrange your workspace where if we would [TS]

  have just continued with the previous [TS]

  split view ├ępoca even with just [TS]

  additional tools to manage that I think [TS]

  the idea of this pulling in and pulling [TS]

  down would have eventually gotten to be [TS]

  feel really old where now we're like you [TS]

  can solve these pairs of applications [TS]

  and they live together you can swipe up [TS]

  from the dock and bring things over it's [TS]

  basically like oh we have used the Mac [TS]

  for such a long time [TS]

  and we've never needed to really change [TS]

  the way that you open and play of [TS]

  applications and this is very similar to [TS]

  that again I think that there are [TS]

  benefits there are things are good there [TS]

  are things that are not as good but [TS]

  overall I feel like it's really focused [TS]

  on trying to make this a more scalable [TS]

  and usable interface over time yeah [TS]

  without needing to burn it back down [TS]

  again in two years and restart mm-hmm [TS]

  Tim Cook started off the whole [TS]

  presentation about the iPad as this is [TS]

  the biggest iPad release ever which I [TS]

  hated that to begin the Urich you're [TS]

  setting expectations never do the way to [TS]

  hide like someone should have told you [TS]

  to do that at the end but me but it does [TS]

  feel that way like a comic coming [TS]

  onstage [TS]

  this is going to be the funniest show [TS]

  you've ever seen you have some real [TS]

  great job Jimmy folks well now it isn't [TS]

  a rebel of above self here we go [TS]

  and but it is though I mean he was right [TS]

  yes II and there are like a million [TS]

  little things and there are a million [TS]

  little things that me and you don't even [TS]

  know about yet like even there are [TS]

  things like you can record the screen [TS]

  now natively on iOS yeah which has been [TS]

  just like an eternal frustration for so [TS]

  long but you can do it now there are [TS]

  like that szimpla bility to record the [TS]

  screen I can think of so many times over [TS]

  the past few years where I have wanted [TS]

  to do something animation wise on the [TS]

  road and I thought oh if I could just I [TS]

  could just record the screen and oh yeah [TS]

  because you could just recall the screen [TS]

  and move stuff around so there are ways [TS]

  that I could have done not the greatest [TS]

  animation but I could have done fine [TS]

  mobile animation with some screen [TS]

  recording caught up but it's but the [TS]

  problem has always been like oh you need [TS]

  a second device to record yep and it's [TS]

  like okay it was a deal-breaker because [TS]

  the whole reason I want to record the [TS]

  screen as I don't have my Mac with me [TS]

  and now I might as well just use the Mac [TS]

  if it's here that's going to be really [TS]

  helpful to me so it was it was the thing [TS]

  I wanted to do for a vlog where it was [TS]

  the big travel vlog that I did recently [TS]

  mega vlog mega vlog to travel mega vlog [TS]

  and I wanted to you should trademark [TS]

  that I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best [TS]

  this is something that I wanted to do to [TS]

  show like you know you [TS]

  those old letters Maps like a plane [TS]

  moving place to place [TS]

  I know the exact thing that you're [TS]

  trying to do because I've tried to do [TS]

  this couple it's a hard to get to look [TS]

  right I couldn't do it yeah you want to [TS]

  do like the Indiana Jones effect yeah [TS]

  and I didn't even know where to start [TS]

  really with the Mack taps mhm but I [TS]

  could pull that together way easier on [TS]

  iOS yeah because now I could just recall [TS]

  the screen is physically moved a plane [TS]

  from the place to place if you can do [TS]

  screen recording on an iPad there are a [TS]

  lot of simple animations that become way [TS]

  easier if you want to do complex stuff [TS]

  you're still gonna want to go back oh [TS]

  yak but that like there's a I can see a [TS]

  lot of of things that people can do with [TS]

  the screen recording and I'm just [TS]

  thinking about animation but I feel like [TS]

  that really opens up a whole world of [TS]

  other things that people can do I mean [TS]

  even even just like doing tech support [TS]

  for other people like I just want to [TS]

  record me doing the thing and then I can [TS]

  send you the video file and you can just [TS]

  see it right now like this is what you [TS]

  do in the in fuss when mom calls and [TS]

  she's like I can't work out why my phone [TS]

  yeah is doing this like why do I have a [TS]

  little phone icon in the top left I was [TS]

  like I don't even know what you talking [TS]

  about that is that is only the biggest [TS]

  tech support problem is person on the [TS]

  other end who needs the tech support is [TS]

  also the person who very often doesn't [TS]

  have the technical vocabulary to [TS]

  describe what they're looking at in ways [TS]

  that makes it immediately understandable [TS]

  and sometimes you will hear a visual [TS]

  description of a thing you're like I [TS]

  don't know what the hell that is at and [TS]

  then when you see to go oh right it's [TS]

  the thing over there right that's called [TS]

  the wizzy walk right and look you just [TS]

  did you said wizzy walk I would have [TS]

  known immediately what it was an hour [TS]

  ago we had to go through that but you're [TS]

  describing the shape of it and it's like [TS]

  in my brain I just don't think of it [TS]

  that way yeah so like I think this the [TS]

  screen sharing it's such a little [TS]

  feature but it's it's one more thing [TS]

  that removes the need for a Mac for a [TS]

  bunch of stuff cuz you've been able to [TS]

  do it if you plug a cable in and you're [TS]

  in you QuickTime it is but it's just [TS]

  like I never think of it yeah and it is [TS]

  it's such a hassle that you're never [TS]

  going to want to do that as a workflow [TS]

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  apron a better way to cook while we're [TS]

  talking about the screen recording I [TS]

  will I will ask you cuz I don't I don't [TS]

  100% know what you think about this the [TS]

  very controversial change to the look of [TS]

  Control Center ah yeah okay where do [TS]

  where do you describe it for the [TS]

  listeners and camp they're unaware and [TS]

  then tell me where you come down on this [TS]

  with iOS 10 Control Center went from [TS]

  being this single panel page of short [TS]

  cuts to three pages you would swipe up [TS]

  there three pages if you had any homekit [TS]

  devices installed so you would have like [TS]

  play and pause and some actual cuts and [TS]

  then you'd have all this big music card [TS]

  and then you would have this like honk [TS]

  it says switches and now I think mostly [TS]

  because of how they've changed [TS]

  iOS on the iPad where that same [TS]

  animation now brings the doc up instead [TS]

  they have moved all of these switches [TS]

  into one [TS]

  place and it's now customizable to an [TS]

  extent where Apple has exposed more [TS]

  switches available of their own system [TS]

  stuff that you can add in and you can [TS]

  also 3d touch where you press into the [TS]

  screen on the newer phones and it'll [TS]

  bring up additional buttons like for [TS]

  example you can have an entire Apple TV [TS]

  remote control antenna so I thought that [TS]

  it's very funny looking at screen very [TS]

  strange but so they've moved it all into [TS]

  this one panel it is this big box of [TS]

  buttons and switches and faders and [TS]

  spinners and gosh knows what else in one [TS]

  screen in all different sizes so it [TS]

  looks like a kind of weird jigsaw puzzle [TS]

  of buttons I think it's beautiful I love [TS]

  it it is so my aesthetic mmm like I am a [TS]

  sticker person and it effective not oh [TS]

  my gosh they have just taken home I [TS]

  would never have thought about it that [TS]

  way I would never have thought about [TS]

  that way but as soon as you say it it [TS]

  does look like an array of stickers it's [TS]

  just like I can appreciate having as [TS]

  much functionality as possible in a [TS]

  smaller space as possible and just [TS]

  minimizing the UI that goes around it I [TS]

  think it looks brilliant I think it [TS]

  looks fun and weird and I can move stuff [TS]

  around I'm really I'm really on board of [TS]

  it is very interesting so this this is [TS]

  the thing that people seem very divided [TS]

  on and this is the same and a lot of [TS]

  people are coming down on the oh my god [TS]

  it's it's atrocious and I am with you [TS]

  that I I actually like the look of it I [TS]

  think it it is a bit messy in some ways [TS]

  and I can see why a lot of people would [TS]

  react poorly to it but as far as I'm [TS]

  concerned I think it's fantastic too [TS]

  mm-hm and if someone doesn't like the [TS]

  visual look of it I think you can still [TS]

  say that this is an appropriate place [TS]

  where Apple is making you have any of [TS]

  this this slider of like how good does [TS]

  it look versus how well does it work [TS]

  and Control Center is one of those [TS]

  places where I am very happy if I was on [TS]

  the design team to say look we need the [TS]

  slider very far over into the how well [TS]

  does it work because the whole reason [TS]

  Control Center exists is because you [TS]

  want to just do something quickly yeah [TS]

  and you want to just flip up and press a [TS]

  button and have a thing happen and I [TS]

  think the the redesign of Control Center [TS]

  you know really really for quite a while [TS]

  now has leaned too hard on the oh we [TS]

  want it to look nice and pretty when it [TS]

  comes up and has been a little bit [TS]

  frustrating on the usability side yep I [TS]

  love that you can add or subtract the [TS]

  buttons that you're not going to use [TS]

  haven't gone all the way to customizing [TS]

  those but next year I think looking at [TS]

  you calculator button yeah I just known [TS]

  desire yeah exactly it's terrible peak [TS]

  Aleks way better yeah um but I'm so yeah [TS]

  it's I wasn't sure what you would think [TS]

  of it but as soon as you say it looks [TS]

  like stickers of course you'd love it [TS]

  where's is everything about me as I've [TS]

  been saying here that is my aesthetic [TS]

  that is it that is 100% it yeah what I [TS]

  like about this is in regards for the [TS]

  function of a form that the whole point [TS]

  of control center is to give you quick [TS]

  access to things and quick access comes [TS]

  from muscle memory yeah the problem with [TS]

  control center now is when you swipe it [TS]

  up now I know what okay the way it is [TS]

  built on the way it works is it swipes [TS]

  up to the last panel you had open yeah [TS]

  but what that means is every time I [TS]

  swipe it up there is a pause where I [TS]

  have to realize if I'm in the right [TS]

  place yeah you have to visually look at [TS]

  the screen and your brain has to process [TS]

  which action is going that and already [TS]

  now that muscle memory is over because [TS]

  it's fine if I press play on a song and [TS]

  then I need to skip a song in two [TS]

  minutes right I know it's there and I [TS]

  swipe it up and I hit the button [TS]

  but tomorrow hmm when I need to change [TS]

  the color of my light it's not where I [TS]

  need it to be yeah and so that's why I [TS]

  am a big fan of this is you are putting [TS]

  as much functionality as you can into [TS]

  one screen which means I am gonna know [TS]

  after a couple of weeks where all of [TS]

  those buttons live yeah and I think that [TS]

  that's that's again so like this is [TS]

  another feature I think where they're [TS]

  like we've used this for a year and we [TS]

  have realized it sucks and we have to [TS]

  start again yeah the the the three panel [TS]

  swipe left swipe right it stays where [TS]

  you last left it control center was [TS]

  crazy making especially on a twelve [TS]

  point nine inch iPad is like it's like [TS]

  they could affect it all on they could [TS]

  they could have fit it all is it's it's [TS]

  it's like it's there intentionally to [TS]

  drive you crazy on the gigantic iPad [TS]

  that was the most egregious yeah like it [TS]

  works great an iPad no it doesn't that [TS]

  doesn't doesn't work great no bad at all [TS]

  it's enraging ah I've little things like [TS]

  that is what makes me realize that we [TS]

  got this version of iOS later than [TS]

  intended mmm cuz that's such a weird [TS]

  thing to do but they're just like well [TS]

  this is how I OS is because we haven't [TS]

  got anything else for the iPad yet so [TS]

  we're just moving these features onto [TS]

  all these devices right yeah this wasn't [TS]

  the only iPad news that we got though it [TS]

  wasn't just software we also got [TS]

  hardware mm-hmm go our hardware mm-hmm [TS]

  they refresh the entire line yeah I I am [TS]

  I am very happy about this because you [TS]

  know I had a deep fear going into this [TS]

  keynote so I was very confident yeah [TS]

  iPad hardware but I had a really deep [TS]

  fear that what we were going to get is [TS]

  the new 10.5 inch iPad which we did get [TS]

  and I thought it was going to be all [TS]

  quiet on the western front with the [TS]

  twelve point nine inch iPad do you [TS]

  remember what I said to you at dinner [TS]

  and that before gray [TS]

  what did you say it's we were sitting [TS]

  around at dinner and you imarco saying [TS]

  that useful it was dead dead dead [TS]

  forever and I said if they update one I [TS]

  believe they'll update both and I was [TS]

  really strong on this and you too like [TS]

  no no Tim Cook's a crazy man [TS]

  I wasn't sure I was gonna be dead [TS]

  forever but I I was just I was just [TS]

  concerned that it that something about [TS]

  it just felt in the it might stick [TS]

  around in the same form factor for a [TS]

  very long time without any internal [TS]

  updates or and [TS]

  thing I was just something about [TS]

  something was just really nagging my [TS]

  mind about that uh but that did not [TS]

  happen did not and I was super psyched [TS]

  about that I was so that was why that [TS]

  was the most excited part for me in the [TS]

  keynote was new twelve point nine inch [TS]

  iPad so happy so happy yeah the the ten [TS]

  point five is amazing mm-hmm and I'm [TS]

  gonna be buying one as soon as I get [TS]

  home mmm it isn't exactly what I wanted [TS]

  now why is that cuz I know you have been [TS]

  very excited for this and I feel like it [TS]

  looks just like you did in all the [TS]

  rumors like it's it seems like this [TS]

  looks exactly like what we were [TS]

  expecting it's exactly how I expected it [TS]

  to me it is not what I thought it was [TS]

  going to be from a software perspective [TS]

  so we had a nine point seven inch iPad [TS]

  pro and a twelve point nine inch iPad [TS]

  pro right a ten point five inch iPad pro [TS]

  kinda sits between the middle mm-hm [TS]

  but it is doing literally nothing for [TS]

  the software to make it any different so [TS]

  why I was hoping was going to happen was [TS]

  that the ten point five inch iPad pro [TS]

  would give me the exact same software [TS]

  experience as the twelve point nine but [TS]

  shrunk down so I would get two full [TS]

  sized iPad applications side-by-side [TS]

  mm-hmm but it isn't like that it's like [TS]

  with the nine point seven where you get [TS]

  this kind of like halfway between iPhone [TS]

  and iPad application if you have it [TS]

  split right down the middle so if you [TS]

  have like two thirds of the screen was [TS]

  one app and one third of screen is [TS]

  another you get one full iPad app and [TS]

  then iPhone it if you bring them to the [TS]

  middle on the nine point seven and on [TS]

  the ten point five you get this kind of [TS]

  like in between okay it's a different [TS]

  view controller on that one okay right [TS]

  and that's how he's been within ninety [TS]

  seven but on the big one on the big iPad [TS]

  pro twelve a nine sharp every K two [TS]

  full-sized portray iPad application [TS]

  side-by-side okay and I was hoping that [TS]

  the ten point five would be like the [TS]

  twelve point nine and then you would get [TS]

  like if you put two apps side by side is [TS]

  to portrait apps side by side but that's [TS]

  not what you get right the operating [TS]

  system would tell them you are a full [TS]

  screen app act like it but it does like [TS]

  they don't they still say it's small [TS]

  enough [TS]

  if you have a different view controller [TS]

  it's using the more mobile game [TS]

  controller that's interesting I've never [TS]

  even really tuned into that on the [TS]

  smaller iPad pro but I can I can see now [TS]

  immediately why that that is a a big [TS]

  considering factor in in which you're [TS]

  going to use because what I was hoping [TS]

  was whilst I'm thoroughly enjoy the [TS]

  multi pad lifestyle that if I got this [TS]

  iPad it might potentially mean I only [TS]

  need one mm-hmm because I will be [TS]

  getting what I hope to be best above [TS]

  what's and that's not the case [TS]

  yeah so it's like for me I'm like I'm [TS]

  I'm not trying to look a gift horse in [TS]

  the mouth with this but I don't [TS]

  understand why they increase the screen [TS]

  other than to differentiate it from the [TS]

  regular sized device called iPad which [TS]

  is $329 and is nine point seven inch in [TS]

  size and screen has the only reason is [TS]

  that they wanted to have nine point [TS]

  seven is the cheap one then you have [TS]

  these two pro ones one is ten and a half [TS]

  inches and one is twelve point nine [TS]

  inches and again like if you're a [TS]

  company making these products you should [TS]

  differentiate them but there doesn't [TS]

  seem to be anything in that iPad that [TS]

  takes a Vantage of the additional size [TS]

  of the screen and the reason that I'm [TS]

  annoyed about this is they made the iPad [TS]

  bigger hmm so the iPad itself is bigger [TS]

  to make the screen bigger I know where [TS]

  reason it seems right but the but the [TS]

  software is still treating it like it's [TS]

  was go different mobile version yeah [TS]

  interesting but I played with one I [TS]

  spent some time with one and when you [TS]

  hold it you don't know it's bigger right [TS]

  they kept the weight the same it doesn't [TS]

  feel bigger but it looks fantastic right [TS]

  having the bigger screen I'm looking at [TS]

  my old iPad right now and I'm like look [TS]

  at all that bezel you ugly ugly little [TS]

  thing right oh he's a nice little girl [TS]

  guys right there man all covered in his [TS]

  failed me [TS]

  Wow that's high there is and there is a [TS]

  new hotness in town and this little guy [TS]

  in it no more oh so sorry but but this [TS]

  is what Apple does right and it done [TS]

  that big date they they make the device [TS]

  you were perfectly fine with yesterday [TS]

  yeah hideous today right and that's what [TS]

  they've done with this they're like is [TS]

  I'm happy to have new hardware it's got [TS]

  some amazing new features which we're [TS]

  gonna talk about in a second but just [TS]

  from a pure like what the screen size [TS]

  has brought me there isn't really [TS]

  anything to that then okay that's [TS]

  interesting that's that's very [TS]

  interesting I think I didn't I think I [TS]

  didn't understand that with the view [TS]

  controllers and like this is what you [TS]

  were looking for with it so that makes [TS]

  it that makes it a lot more sense about [TS]

  why it's amazing but you're a little bit [TS]

  lukewarm on on it because of that lack [TS]

  of that feature yeah it's like I'm [TS]

  really excited about iPad software and [TS]

  I'm really excited about the new iPad [TS]

  hardware but the combination of those [TS]

  two on the 10.5 hasn't really changed [TS]

  any threat right like independently [TS]

  they're both brilliant but together [TS]

  there's nothing special going on but the [TS]

  crowning feature of this device it's a [TS]

  new display technology to apples calling [TS]

  promotion it encompasses a bunch of [TS]

  different things one of these things is [TS]

  a 120 Hertz refresh rate and the best [TS]

  way to try and describe this so it's [TS]

  it's refreshing to scream or from which [TS]

  means they could show more fluid [TS]

  animation right but you know when you [TS]

  see Apple do this you see lots of [TS]

  companies do this when you're watching a [TS]

  movie like a promo footage or an advert [TS]

  or something and you see someone holding [TS]

  a device and they're using it but it [TS]

  looks fake right and it's because [TS]

  they're using rendered animations of [TS]

  like a green screen that is overlaying [TS]

  it and it always looks weird like the [TS]

  fingers never really kind of exactly [TS]

  where it should be and all the [TS]

  animations look too smooth that's how [TS]

  these new iPads look because the [TS]

  animations are so smooth the first time [TS]

  you see it almost looks broken it just [TS]

  doesn't look real it's fantastic yeah I [TS]

  really wish I had seen one of these [TS]

  things in person you can say it's okay [TS]

  we're here people have them it's okay [TS]

  you can say it's [TS]

  fine okay just wanted someone clear yeah [TS]

  not a great reason to come to wAPT so [TS]

  yes people have hardware and you like to [TS]

  see it and thinking things get left on [TS]

  counters who knows how right no they [TS]

  don't have uh it's interesting I am I am [TS]

  I don't know how to put this but I am [TS]

  I'm gonna be real curious to see when I [TS]

  have one for a while playing around with [TS]

  it and what it what it's really like [TS]

  because there is a certain kind of [TS]

  unreality to its it yeah and it is I [TS]

  think I am in the minority of people who [TS]

  ok so there's there's two kinds of [TS]

  people in the world people who notice [TS]

  frame rates and people who don't and I'm [TS]

  kind of fascinated by some people just [TS]

  can't see the difference between like [TS]

  when you shoot on your iPhone if you put [TS]

  it in 60 frames per second mode versus [TS]

  30 frames per second mode and I think it [TS]

  looks like an abhorrent disaster people [TS]

  shooting 60 frames yeah okay so you're [TS]

  on the same page with me on this yeah [TS]

  it's like I will not shoot in 60 frames [TS]

  per second on my phone because it's like [TS]

  yeah like I hate it I it's it's you [TS]

  showing me too much it's almost like [TS]

  it's a reality uncanny valley yeah it's [TS]

  it's so close to infinite frames per [TS]

  second that's 60 inches away from [TS]

  infinite ahh [TS]

  but it's not actually looking through a [TS]

  transparent piece of glass at a thing [TS]

  happen like a that's sort of the feeling [TS]

  of looking at 60 frames per second [TS]

  footage and I have a little bit of that [TS]

  same feeling looking at the 120 frames [TS]

  per second animations and scrolling on [TS]

  the new iPad I think I'll get used to it [TS]

  but it is weird but what I but the thing [TS]

  that is a concern for me is it feels [TS]

  like a little bit of a retina transition [TS]

  is that I think when I got used to [TS]

  retina screens I had a hard time working [TS]

  with non retina screen yeah and I'm [TS]

  concerned about [TS]

  I think I will get totally used to the [TS]

  120 frames per second but what I'm [TS]

  worried about is then switching back to [TS]

  screens that are at a lower frame rate [TS]

  once my brain is used to the idea that [TS]

  o'the ings on a computer they move in [TS]

  this preternaturally smooth way and then [TS]

  if it doesn't quite look the same I [TS]

  think I think this is going to be coming [TS]

  everywhere I just really hope it's in [TS]

  the new iPhone I think it will be I [TS]

  really do think it will be I mean cuz [TS]

  again I don't know enough about how the [TS]

  technology works people smarter than me [TS]

  are telling me that it's the display [TS]

  technology in the chip well I mean the [TS]

  iPhones going to get the best display [TS]

  Apple can make and the best chip they [TS]

  can make it's not like something like [TS]

  the true tone stuff worried right [TS]

  the true tone stuff worried right [TS]

  additional sensors which is why it maybe [TS]

  hasn't come to the iPhone yet it seems [TS]

  like it would be easy to do then true [TS]

  tumbles in the iPhone yeah so I expect [TS]

  you're right about that [TS]

  so I'm a I'm very interested to see once [TS]

  I actually own one of these things and [TS]

  use it for a while like how it goes how [TS]

  this transition goes but the thing that [TS]

  to me is amazing is the decreased [TS]

  latency in terms of the pen usage so the [TS]

  other thing that happened this is part [TS]

  of this whole system called promotion is [TS]

  they have increased the refresh rate of [TS]

  what the pencil is able to provide so in [TS]

  the current versions of the iPad the [TS]

  frame rate on the screens is 60 Hertz [TS]

  was able to do is is 60 Hertz and it is [TS]

  refreshing the screen at 120 Hertz to [TS]

  find pencil input so it reduces lag and [TS]

  increase the smoothness in the new [TS]

  devices they have a 120 Hertz for the [TS]

  output of the screen and a 240 Hertz [TS]

  refresh rate for the pencil yeah so they [TS]

  are continuing the smoothness by [TS]

  doubling that the smoothness has been [TS]

  doubled yes more smooth I've also heard [TS]

  that they're doing some interesting [TS]

  things with better predictive technology [TS]

  about which way your hand is going sure [TS]

  with the pencil and all these things but [TS]

  I think if you go back if you go back [TS]

  last door I'm sorry if you go back to [TS]

  years ago when we were originally [TS]

  talking about how desperate we were to [TS]

  get our hands on a pencil and see what [TS]

  does it look like and how does it work [TS]

  oh gosh yeah well like I see good now [TS]

  you're right now you're here in person I [TS]

  see you making this face and you're [TS]

  trying to do the mental math on was it 2 [TS]

  years ago and the answer was yes Mike [TS]

  Wow yeah we've been we've been doing [TS]

  this for a long time I'm very episode 52 [TS]

  can can throw you off yes again but but [TS]

  so what if you go back and listen to [TS]

  those old episodes we were desperate [TS]

  because we wanted to see it because [TS]

  we're both very sensitive to the pencil [TS]

  latency and just a set essentially [TS]

  didn't trust anybody's reports of like [TS]

  oh it's great you can't tell the [TS]

  difference like I don't believe you for [TS]

  a [TS]

  like I'm sure I will be able to tell and [TS]

  I think if memory serves me my verdict [TS]

  was the latency was acceptable which as [TS]

  opposed to the previous style I that [TS]

  were like using hot dogs on a screen was [TS]

  just was totally unacceptable just up [TS]

  completely why even bother yeah why even [TS]

  bother just a tale of misery but so when [TS]

  I'm using like my current twelve point [TS]

  nine inch iPad I can see that there's a [TS]

  little bit of latency with the pen but [TS]

  it's fine like it is acceptable and I [TS]

  have gotten very used to it uh but when [TS]

  I got a chance just for a few minutes to [TS]

  try the pencil with what is my personal [TS]

  favorite handwriting app but I think the [TS]

  best which is good notes for I got to [TS]

  try those two together and it was ear [TS]

  even for the first few moments because [TS]

  it literally felt like oh I am I am [TS]

  writing with an ink pen on a piece of [TS]

  glass and there in mind like this [TS]

  without I assume the app developer being [TS]

  able to optima this is exactly it it's [TS]

  it's I wanted to see it on good notes in [TS]

  particular because I feel like that [TS]

  developer has done an amazing job with [TS]

  the handwriting like if you are really [TS]

  sensitive to this stuff you can see [TS]

  there's a there's ELISA my peon there's [TS]

  a very big difference between the [TS]

  handwriting on on something like [TS]

  notability versus good notes and I think [TS]

  good notes does a really great job but [TS]

  she was like pre developer optimizations [TS]

  it's it's uncanny and I and I'd say like [TS]

  this I only use it for a few minutes but [TS]

  in those few minutes I feel like I can [TS]

  say that the latency was unnoticeable [TS]

  that if it felt like it was right under [TS]

  the pencil tip the whole time and it [TS]

  really is a very big subjective feeling [TS]

  change using it that way so I am really [TS]

  looking forward to editing the scripts [TS]

  with the pencil on the screen and [TS]

  uh you you know we haven't discussed it [TS]

  but you know I put up a wishlist before [TS]

  my keynote went up of things that I [TS]

  wanted and one of those things was Apple [TS]

  pencil two there are a lot of things [TS]

  that I still wanted an Apple pencil [TS]

  mostly it not being in content wise uh [TS]

  and maybe aluminum with a little grip on [TS]

  it but all those things aside I feel in [TS]

  retrospect like I can half tick that box [TS]

  because even though the pencil isn't new [TS]

  the experience of using it with the new [TS]

  hardware makes it feel like it was a new [TS]

  one like if they if someone had handed [TS]

  me a pencil and said oh this is the [TS]

  Apple pencil too and use it on the [TS]

  screen I would be but I would be saying [TS]

  like I cannot believe how you guys got [TS]

  the latency down it's amazing yeah it's [TS]

  one of those things with each [TS]

  combination of two pieces of hardware [TS]

  and software yeah is they actually need [TS]

  to update the hardware the pencil at all [TS]

  yeah to make this change which is really [TS]

  impressive yeah it's it really is yeah [TS]

  that groove you are I was hoping that we [TS]

  were gonna get more from without [TS]

  immigrants to the pencil like an actual [TS]

  new model but that hasn't happened so I [TS]

  mean the things that I and you want with [TS]

  this I'm not surprised that they haven't [TS]

  bothered to change it yet mm-hmm I feel [TS]

  like you can do that down the line [TS]

  there's no there's no real need to make [TS]

  those changes right now other than to [TS]

  just placate me in you right in regards [TS]

  to the pencil there were two interesting [TS]

  things there one is if you have an Apple [TS]

  pencil now you can tap on an on a locked [TS]

  screen and start writing a note I [TS]

  thought that was a genius interface [TS]

  edition yeah so this is very similar to [TS]

  the way that the Samsung Galaxy Note [TS]

  series has been for a while there's is a [TS]

  little bit cooler in that you just start [TS]

  writing and you write on the black [TS]

  screen oh okay yeah which is really cool [TS]

  worthy with the on the iPad you tap it [TS]

  and it just brings up a note which is [TS]

  sandboxed you can't access your other [TS]

  notes until you unlock that's nice but [TS]

  you're able to just take notes really [TS]

  quickly which i think is really cool [TS]

  there's also like the ability to draw [TS]

  directly into some applications so notes [TS]

  and mail have it I assume this is a [TS]

  developer API as well where you're able [TS]

  to rather than enter a specific drawing [TS]

  mode you can just draw as well as this [TS]

  new screenshot function where you take a [TS]

  screenshot on the iPad it flies down to [TS]

  the bottom left hand corner you can mark [TS]

  right and there you can grab it drive [TS]

  yes so amazing but what they have made [TS]

  sure to keep is the ability to maintain [TS]

  what me and you fought hard to keep [TS]

  which is the ability to go to use the [TS]

  Apple pencil as a UI manipulation tool [TS]

  to use it as a replacement for the [TS]

  finger to the point where there is some [TS]

  settings somewhere where you're actually [TS]

  able to turn off it's instant drawing [TS]

  functionality so you can keep moving [TS]

  around notes now I was really surprised [TS]

  to see that I figured the applications [TS]

  where they allow you to just start [TS]

  drawing in them they would take it away [TS]

  yeah that I was anyone who's following [TS]

  on Twitter know like I was getting very [TS]

  anxious being I was looking at a lot of [TS]

  good because when they're demoing the oh [TS]

  here's how you draw on the screenshot [TS]

  thing here's how you do a whole bunch of [TS]

  stuff it looks like you're just drawing [TS]

  on the screen immediately and I was [TS]

  watching all the videos incredibly [TS]

  closely like I just want to see someone [TS]

  press a button with the Apple pencil and [TS]

  they never do and I was extremely [TS]

  worried about it but yeah it's such a [TS]

  huge deal such a big big relief that [TS]

  they were able to add all of these [TS]

  interesting features that are related to [TS]

  this instant drawing which which we [TS]

  think was they like the original vision [TS]

  of how the pencil would work they were [TS]

  able to add all of those features while [TS]

  keeping UI navigation with the pencil I [TS]

  think it's it's it's fantastic I feel [TS]

  like if anybody on that interface team [TS]

  is listening to this like I want to [TS]

  personally thank you for this because [TS]

  it's so important to us yeah as I cannot [TS]

  express in words adequately how much of [TS]

  a big deal that is to me so I my my [TS]

  personal thanks goes out to anyone who [TS]

  worked on that and I understand that [TS]

  adding that additional functionality [TS]

  while keeping UI navigation was not an [TS]

  easy thing to do like having a setting [TS]

  yeah as well right which I which rightly [TS]

  so in a lot of ways Apple was very [TS]

  reluctant to add settings to things to [TS]

  try and give the user interface simple [TS]

  so to have that is great I did say at [TS]

  the time and I do mean this that if it [TS]

  was gone in certain applications like [TS]

  notes on mail I would have accepted it [TS]

  and because my problem at the time was [TS]

  when an Apple originally took this away [TS]

  and like was it like iOS tens beta [TS]

  something yeah it was it was like yeah [TS]

  the second beta it disappeared there was [TS]

  no reason there was no added [TS]

  functionality and I think I remember [TS]

  saying at the time that I would have [TS]

  been happy if we could see why right it [TS]

  only seemed like at the time was boohoo [TS]

  I don't like you losing my software in [TS]

  this way yes because there was no [TS]

  functionality that was being added like [TS]

  this is function I think that is added [TS]

  yeah any like okay I can see why maybe I [TS]

  can't scroll in Apple notes anymore [TS]

  there was nothing like that it just [TS]

  seemed like they were preparing for this [TS]

  right then I just like take it away [TS]

  rather than trying to fix and provide [TS]

  this solution mm-hmm so if it would have [TS]

  been gone in notes hold on okay like [TS]

  there is additional functionality here [TS]

  I'll understand but I'm really happy [TS]

  that's not the case I'm very extremely [TS]

  and I'm more happy this way but I would [TS]

  have at least accepted it like we would [TS]

  be on the show right now and I wouldn't [TS]

  be complaining I wouldn't be begging [TS]

  like we did last time right I would say [TS]

  it's a shame I understand I use apps [TS]

  like this so like I use notability quite [TS]

  a lot and if you have the pencil you [TS]

  have to use your finger as well to move [TS]

  hmm or you switch into a different mode [TS]

  and I get it it's like but you know it's [TS]

  always there I can just swipe in a right [TS]

  swipe in them right it's fine it was [TS]

  just like I didn't then want it to be [TS]

  able to go back to the home screen and [TS]

  tap around as it right so the fact that [TS]

  it's all there and it's all maintained [TS]

  it's such a big win for usability and it [TS]

  it is an accessibility feature yeah it [TS]

  100% is like [TS]

  injuries for repetitive strain injury [TS]

  RSI which meaning you both have new tool [TS]

  much worse extent than me it allows us [TS]

  to continue to be able to work for long [TS]

  periods of time because we can switch [TS]

  modes yeah how I was at I was at [TS]

  breakfast this morning with essentially [TS]

  eight people and there was there was a [TS]

  the youngest one of us at the table was [TS]

  describing that she was beginning to get [TS]

  the first signs of RSI and and [TS]

  immediately but everybody at the table [TS]

  we are all people who make a living on [TS]

  computers it was like everyone leaned in [TS]

  and was just focusing on how central [TS]

  this is like you are you are younger [TS]

  than us if you're getting the beginning [TS]

  of this like focus on it right now it's [TS]

  like everybody at that table who makes [TS]

  living on on computers in one form or [TS]

  another has to focus on an RSI issue or [TS]

  an ergonomic issue in their own way for [TS]

  their own thing and and yeah that's why [TS]

  I think the pencil is a stylus for some [TS]

  people and I'm in that category is is a [TS]

  vital input accessibility feature and [TS]

  and it really helps avoid injuries to [TS]

  poor people the ability to use a pen on [TS]

  my Mac with my Wacom tablet and my saved [TS]

  my hand mmm like my right hand has been [TS]

  saved by the fact that I can use my left [TS]

  hand then I'm you know I'm unique in [TS]

  this way where I'm extremely lucky that [TS]

  I am left-handed for writing I'm [TS]

  right-handed for Mouse and trackpad [TS]

  manipulation because I can do the most [TS]

  magical thing if I give my hands a break [TS]

  yep it's not just that I'm able to swap [TS]

  around like I'm very lucky in this way [TS]

  so all of my teasing as a kid for being [TS]

  left-handed look at me now you know like [TS]

  so I'm really lucky that way but it is [TS]

  this ability to be able to switch modes [TS]

  to grip in a different way to be able to [TS]

  hold up him which is more natural to us [TS]

  because we do it from a much earlier age [TS]

  I don't think any of its natural but for [TS]

  whatever reason that is more than [TS]

  holding a mouse hmm which makes me think [TS]

  by the way I was talking to a dinner [TS]

  about this recently I wonder [TS]

  if and how these things will change in [TS]

  the next 10 or 15 years like if kids [TS]

  today maybe in a generation younger than [TS]

  me or you won't get RSI problems in [TS]

  their hands for using track pads and [TS]

  mice as much as we did [TS]

  well my suspicion my suspicion is that [TS]

  if I give and I know I don't we've [TS]

  discusses on the show back we were [TS]

  talking about this originally but if you [TS]

  think about your hand [TS]

  you're you're gripping muscles are much [TS]

  stronger than you're opening your hand [TS]

  muscles all right you can just feel it [TS]

  and if you hold out your arm in front of [TS]

  you and you open your hand you can feel [TS]

  particularly in your in your index and [TS]

  your middle finger that holding it up is [TS]

  much more of a strain than keeping a [TS]

  closed fist okay I see yes you can feel [TS]

  it in your hands and so the iPad as a [TS]

  touch surface is nothing but reach out [TS]

  with your hand and pull your index and [TS]

  middle finger back right you're doing [TS]

  that hundreds and hundreds of times so [TS]

  everybody's body is different in terms [TS]

  of what what are they more susceptible [TS]

  to but I'm willing to bet that a higher [TS]

  portion of the population if you expose [TS]

  them to that repetitive motion of keep [TS]

  your index and middle finger up I think [TS]

  a higher proportion of them will develop [TS]

  strange injuries as compared to keep [TS]

  your fists closed which is the hand [TS]

  position for holding a pen yeah yeah [TS]

  that makes alone since that explains so [TS]

  I wonder is like is it something [TS]

  anatomical or is it just that we start [TS]

  an earlier age like so that we're kind [TS]

  of just more used to it but that makes a [TS]

  lot of sense and I want I really wonder [TS]

  like all this time using touch screens [TS]

  hmm I don't know I don't know because I [TS]

  think it is unproven right now how [TS]

  organic the iPad is then the iPhone is [TS]

  like I don't think we really know yeah [TS]

  we really don't if it's just destroying [TS]

  us are not like I think with too too far [TS]

  I was in my hands are really hiding me [TS]

  now like that we've been talking about [TS]

  it's like oh my wrist yeah you can feel [TS]

  you can feel every muscle every muscle [TS]

  in tendon slowly degrading as you age in [TS]

  use them it's like I once wild I can't [TS]

  remember the story but I once read a [TS]

  science fiction book about a race of [TS]

  aliens that are essentially made of sand [TS]

  so they have to be very careful about [TS]

  everything that they do and touch so [TS]

  they're aware that every interaction [TS]

  with the world really cost them because [TS]

  they're like constantly rubbing off on [TS]

  all the surfaces and we are just like [TS]

  that over a longer time scale we're all [TS]

  fading into sand over time Mike every [TS]

  time you touch your iPad but anyway [TS]

  awesome to keep you on navigation thank [TS]

  you so much Apple team I really [TS]

  appreciate it [TS]

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  both currently in San Jose as I [TS]

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  back home to London tomorrow mm-hmm [TS]

  I knew iPads come out on like Tuesday of [TS]

  next week [TS]

  mmm so I'll hopefully own one by about [TS]

  the time this episode will be coming out [TS]

  uh-huh [TS]

  so I didn't actually I just I usually I [TS]

  didn't buy online I want to just go to [TS]

  the store get it in my little grubby [TS]

  hands I go back home again right and not [TS]

  waiting around from the delivery man [TS]

  whoa [TS]

  may I tell you about what happened we [TS]

  went a bought the switch no so I bought [TS]

  three Nintendo switches right Oh God [TS]

  okay three I think I heard I heard a [TS]

  while back you were planning on buying [TS]

  two I bought I would have pre-ordered [TS]

  three because I wanted to make sure I [TS]

  got on day one I've had so many problems [TS]

  especially of Amazon well like i when i [TS]

  pre-ordered the PS VR headset and then [TS]

  the email me in the morning they were [TS]

  like yeah when I've got him and just [TS]

  like the worst just so annoying because [TS]

  I'm terrible [TS]

  so you want to ensure delivery this is [TS]

  not the multi switch lifestyle exactly [TS]

  okay show delivery to one of them are [TS]

  sold tomorrow one I returned it okay it [TS]

  was purely just I was just spreading the [TS]

  risk right got it on the morning that [TS]

  they were making delivered I had a guy [TS]

  coming to fit a fan in the bathroom and [TS]

  he calls me and he's like you're [TS]

  intercoms broken hahaha I'm like fuck [TS]

  this I have three Nintendo switches [TS]

  coming did you oh no I did did you sit [TS]

  down in front of the door like a little [TS]

  sad oh got a chair i sat it by the [TS]

  window and I was watching out on the [TS]

  street for the delivery guy and I like [TS]

  half an hour later I see a guy like an [TS]

  Amazon guy walk in a bunch of boxes and [TS]

  I'm like just watching him and he comes [TS]

  to the door and I like just open the [TS]

  door I'm like I'm coming downstairs [TS]

  I got they all came I like the idea that [TS]

  as you were doing this the song the [TS]

  waiting is the hardest part by Tom Petty [TS]

  is playing in the background I can't do [TS]

  anything other than look right we gotta [TS]

  watch out for the delivery drivers right [TS]

  so I'm just sitting there the whole time [TS]

  I'm so pleased that every right Billy in [TS]

  the morning not like 2:00 p.m. in the [TS]

  afternoon I'm a terrible person I'm more [TS]

  my terrible person mess but I was really [TS]

  excited in its no switch and you know [TS]

  what it's freaking worth it because I [TS]

  love that thing you're very excited [TS]

  about it we took like an 11 hour flight [TS]

  me and Federico to get [TS]

  we were able to fill half of that time [TS]

  playing Mario Kart that that's that's [TS]

  good use it was really great so I'm [TS]

  gonna be getting an iPad I'm gonna be [TS]

  buying the 10.5 that's the one I'm gonna [TS]

  be buying because it's the new one [TS]

  mm-hmm and I want to try out only see [TS]

  what it's like however I do not foresee [TS]

  me moving away from the mod type at [TS]

  lifestyle because I bring the smaller [TS]

  iPad when I travel mostly it's mostly my [TS]

  out of the house computer so when I [TS]

  travel when I go out to work somewhere I [TS]

  will take the smaller one when I'm at [TS]

  home working I have the bigger one so [TS]

  over time what I originally thought was [TS]

  how it shake house house shaking out my [TS]

  large iPad pro is like my desktop [TS]

  machine and my small iPad pro is like my [TS]

  laptop that's kind of how it was shaking [TS]

  out for me but I want to get the 10.5 [TS]

  first because it's the newer one right [TS]

  it looks new it has new stuff bigger [TS]

  screen it just looks new but I intend on [TS]

  buying the bigger one at some point in [TS]

  the future as well and I'm wondering [TS]

  what your multi pad lifestyle plan is [TS]

  for these um I I would expect it's gonna [TS]

  be an inverse okay so my current setup [TS]

  is that I don't have a nine point seven [TS]

  inch iPad pro that is mine mm-hmm so [TS]

  what what happened in my household my [TS]

  household is in disarray right now [TS]

  because the iPad Mini seems to be going [TS]

  away okay so let's talk about the iPad [TS]

  Mini first okay [TS]

  where we should start the story is that [TS]

  over the past many years the iPad Mini [TS]

  has become for my wife her general [TS]

  purpose computer I am astounded at her [TS]

  ability to use that as her everything [TS]

  machine she must be proportionally the [TS]

  right size to use the key like that how [TS]

  fast she can type on the iPad Mini [TS]

  keyboard screen like it blows my mind [TS]

  and I look like a doddering old man when [TS]

  I try to use the software keyboard I can [TS]

  blame that on Dvorak but it still is [TS]

  like I could type so slowly but she's [TS]

  just you know types of Oracle [TS]

  perfect but they don't have a Dvorak [TS]

  keyboard for iPad that's what it is Mike [TS]

  um so she's been using that for years as [TS]

  her main yep computer now the position [TS]

  that she is in is going back to our [TS]

  earlier conversation she uh recently [TS]

  started developing her own RSI problems [TS]

  from using the iPad and I suspect the [TS]

  same way of holding her fingers back [TS]

  over the screen and so as soon as I [TS]

  started happening I'm like okay we can't [TS]

  you're not pushing this any further and [TS]

  I gave her my small iPad pro to use with [TS]

  the pencil hmm okay and she totally fell [TS]

  in love with using the pencil this is [TS]

  just like I was really pushing the Wacom [TS]

  tablet on you a long time ago like the [TS]

  pencil is a great interface and everyone [TS]

  I have ever been able to successfully [TS]

  get them to try using it on a computer [TS]

  they they've eventually adopted and [TS]

  loved it feel like it's the same thing [TS]

  with the pencil once again we will say [TS]

  buy a Wacom tablet set it to pen mode [TS]

  yes then try it for a week yeah yeah [TS]

  hearing has to do with that way that is [TS]

  the steps and also currently we are both [TS]

  using the into goes pro yep right yeah [TS]

  Fitz vent an absolutely fantastic has [TS]

  buttons that you can set to do shortcut [TS]

  is brilliant it's it's it's a really [TS]

  great piece of hardware but yeah so my [TS]

  wife then started using the pencil with [TS]

  her iPad which was my old nine point [TS]

  seven now where we were in what I [TS]

  thought was going to be the life cycle [TS]

  of the iPad I thought oh this will just [TS]

  be for a couple months all right and the [TS]

  visual you guys yeah it ended up being [TS]

  like a year and more sad without this [TS]

  small iPad which I think III know what [TS]

  this sounds like by like I cannot [TS]

  describe how much of a disruptor in this [TS]

  actually was because of the way that I [TS]

  like to split and divide my work and I [TS]

  just is this he's just his creeping [TS]

  delay of every month I thought well like [TS]

  well I'm not gonna buy another one now [TS]

  like it's great and every month that [TS]

  goes by it's crazier and crazier so [TS]

  she's been using that thing but sound [TS]

  sounds like we have something in common [TS]

  here because while my wife loves using [TS]

  the pencil as UI navigation she'll never [TS]

  go back [TS]

  it's not a big fan of the bigger size [TS]

  right she has been saying to me I can't [TS]

  wait for them to come out with the mini [TS]

  with Hansel support and I have been I [TS]

  have been trying so hard to be like I [TS]

  just want to be clear and don't think [TS]

  this is going to happen you just you [TS]

  need to prepare yourself for that and [TS]

  this has been a thought that has been I [TS]

  think like I have been incapable of [TS]

  putting it in her mot like lodging it [TS]

  properly in her mind because it keeps [TS]

  coming back ups where be like I'm really [TS]

  looking forward to having the mini with [TS]

  pencil support and like okay but I think [TS]

  you should you might want to prepare [TS]

  yourself that the mini might not be [TS]

  around like you bet you might need to do [TS]

  this so just just a small thing to cut [TS]

  just a double back again that UI that [TS]

  you were talking about before where you [TS]

  can have the pencil touch the screen and [TS]

  pop you right into a note and just start [TS]

  writing when I saw that that UI alone [TS]

  made me feel even more like I really [TS]

  wish they did make a mini that worked [TS]

  with a pencil because that's a notepad [TS]

  that UI is like it's begging to be a [TS]

  notepad it really really is begging to [TS]

  be a notepad [TS]

  I suspect since they didn't update the [TS]

  mini this time like it's not going to [TS]

  happen and especially not like pen [TS]

  support with the mini if they ever do [TS]

  update the mini current state of the [TS]

  mini is not good they are under selling [TS]

  one model of it it's the most expensive [TS]

  with the highest storage option yeah [TS]

  that is not a good sign along with a lot [TS]

  of rumors are sounding getting rid of it [TS]

  yeah it's it really isn't a good sign [TS]

  but but looking at that UI for quickly [TS]

  being able to write a note it just it [TS]

  feels like it's almost designed for [TS]

  someone to have a little notepad with [TS]

  them that they can write on it just it [TS]

  feels it feels so perfect but it's not [TS]

  around so so you know when you're a fan [TS]

  of a technology company especially Apple [TS]

  mm-hmm and someone in your life is upset [TS]

  at that company and then they start like [TS]

  treating you as if you're gonna hear yes [TS]

  is like why are you getting rid of the [TS]

  mini when you wanna argue on behalf of [TS]

  the calm [TS]

  you like where it's like you know um the [TS]

  argument that I had with a dinner about [TS]

  this not like we weren't showing each [TS]

  other how was I was being Apple in this [TS]

  right is it and is like they know how [TS]

  many of these devices they sell and if [TS]

  they sold lots of iPad minis they would [TS]

  keep making the iPad Mini I think [TS]

  they're not selling a lot of iPad minis [TS]

  and I know that there is this like there [TS]

  is a cycle which you can argue that if [TS]

  you're not updating it you're not going [TS]

  to sell it but I think they're smarter [TS]

  than that and they can look at trends [TS]

  over time and I think the iPad Mini used [TS]

  to sell really well but over time has [TS]

  not so much right and the iPad Mini that [TS]

  Edina owns is my old iPad Mini 2 and I [TS]

  had been trying to convince her for a [TS]

  long time to update that and now we're a [TS]

  point where updating is a ridiculous [TS]

  thing to do right because it is more [TS]

  expensive than the regular iPad now it's [TS]

  like it's like well are 500 pounds right [TS]

  to buy and iPad Mini right now so I mean [TS]

  the easy suggestion of maybe you should [TS]

  use the the kitchen iPad the iPad air 2 [TS]

  that was not met very kindly as a [TS]

  solution so I don't know what we're [TS]

  gonna do [TS]

  yeah it's it's interesting um I I know a [TS]

  bunch of people who are fans of the of [TS]

  the iPad Mini like really big fans and [TS]

  it's only the same reaction that me and [TS]

  you had when we thought that like where [TS]

  is our iPad right like it's the same [TS]

  reaction of how dare you yeah yeah it it [TS]

  definitely is just that it is a long way [TS]

  of saying one I'm I am sat on a personal [TS]

  level twice that there is not a mini pro [TS]

  because I know that could not be the [TS]

  more perfect machine for my wife and I [TS]

  also think there would be a real market [TS]

  for a like a notebook size thing to make [TS]

  handwritten notes on uh but I just don't [TS]

  think that's going to happen and the [TS]

  first rule of multipack club is more [TS]

  iPads right like you know like a reason [TS]

  to own a third for a different use is [TS]

  only a good thing I personally would not [TS]

  get a a mini pro I really like I'm okay [TS]

  I really wouldn't have a [TS]

  we're on it anyway like it's too close [TS]

  to the phone lights what yeah [TS]

  asterisk ear I love pencil support on [TS]

  the phone me too and and I'll tell you [TS]

  uh not from my end but someone in my [TS]

  household [TS]

  occasionally curse is very loudly when [TS]

  she's using her iPad pro give it a [TS]

  hassle not even not giving anything away [TS]

  she's using the iPad pro a nine point [TS]

  seven with her pencil and reaches over [TS]

  to tap something on her phone and it's [TS]

  like and it does nothing I was like Skyy [TS]

  right this is like being shocked with [TS]

  electricity I really hope they do bring [TS]

  pencil support to the iPhone at some [TS]

  point I'm not holding my breath but it [TS]

  would be nice ah but yeah so that so [TS]

  that is a situation uh I am planning on [TS]

  getting both of the new iPad pros at the [TS]

  same time I am planning on getting them [TS]

  at the same time because what I want to [TS]

  do is I want to go back to the situation [TS]

  that I had before [TS]

  when I had a smaller iPad pro before it [TS]

  got used in another way of having an [TS]

  ability to separate out different areas [TS]

  of my working life yeah and in [TS]

  particular I the the place I really do [TS]

  the only place that I don't like the [TS]

  12:9 is on the couch I feel like it is [TS]

  too big of a machine to be using on the [TS]

  couch yep I feel like it's like it's [TS]

  almost a wall between you and the other [TS]

  people on the couch it's too big of a [TS]

  screen it's like distracting for the [TS]

  other person who's on the couch is the [TS]

  only place I don't like it and that's [TS]

  where I would definitely want to use a [TS]

  smaller machine and when I had the 97 I [TS]

  always found that I was actually like a [TS]

  really great admin machine sitting on [TS]

  the couch and so that that is my plan [TS]

  for the 10 5 is to use it in in that way [TS]

  and like in that situation particularly [TS]

  a few other things but the 12 9 is still [TS]

  going to be my main general-purpose [TS]

  computer that I use for everything [TS]

  that's not a specialized task one thing [TS]

  those I haven't actually seen it well 9 [TS]

  yet hmm [TS]

  and I'm a little bit scared of that [TS]

  because [TS]

  the 12 point 9 inch iPad has also gained [TS]

  the true tone display hmm that display [TS]

  the true tone display with the 120 [TS]

  megahertz refresh rate is gonna be [TS]

  bonkers so I'm worried that like I'm [TS]

  gonna go to the store mm-hmm [TS]

  to get my 10.5 mm-hmm and I'm just gonna [TS]

  take a look at twelve point nine right [TS]

  and walk out with both of them [TS]

  I don't really going to show you a [TS]

  little sparkles around at this cool [TS]

  little spot light coming down from the [TS]

  ceiling happy music and you're not going [TS]

  to be able to resist is that your [TS]

  concern that is my concern [TS]

  I mean I have my iPad fund mmm because I [TS]

  got to save for longer than I was [TS]

  expecting [TS]

  right my refresh is right so the money [TS]

  is there anyway [TS]

  mmm oh it's it's it's bottle rate I [TS]

  probably we know how that I mean the [TS]

  reason is it's like I know I'm gonna do [TS]

  it is my plan to to refresh them both [TS]

  but it was I wanted to be able to spend [TS]

  more time with the the newest hardware [TS]

  like the 10.5 before okay having them [TS]

  both so I could really put a 10.5 [TS]

  through its paces mmm but we'll see how [TS]

  it ends up when I actually go to the [TS]

  store on new keyboards as well hmm so [TS]

  the 10.9 inches obviously it's a big [TS]

  goes it's bigger keys are bigger have [TS]

  you plated this new smart keyboard at [TS]

  all yeah I have had a chance to play [TS]

  with the smart Keyboard on the 10.5 it [TS]

  looks bigger I mean I want to look at it [TS]

  I can see it's bigger yeah it's I had an [TS]

  outside hope that maybe there'd be a way [TS]

  to use the 10-5 as the main machine [TS]

  because I really like the smart keyboard [TS]

  cover but I like I have to have a full [TS]

  size keyboard it's a real deal breaker [TS]

  the 10.5 smart keyboard it's so close [TS]

  but it's thick it's just maybe 2 [TS]

  centimeters too short right and that's [TS]

  just enough that when I start typing [TS]

  quickly I start like the number of [TS]

  mistakes goes up very very fast so I I [TS]

  can't use that as a general-purpose [TS]

  machine I do love the lightness of it [TS]

  big win because the 12:9 is like just [TS]

  under my heaviness threshold is a tank [TS]

  it is it is a total tank if it was two [TS]

  tenths of a pound heavier I would never [TS]

  use it but I find it like it's it's just [TS]

  under that threshold for me so I'm [TS]

  totally fine and the trade-off of having [TS]

  a real full size keyboard is is [TS]

  completely worth it if you're a person [TS]

  who found the old 9 7 smart keyboard [TS]

  just a little too small you might be [TS]

  perfectly fine with it with the 10 5 [TS]

  keyboard it is bigger but it's just a [TS]

  little too small for me still and [TS]

  there's like you seen this like sleeve [TS]

  oh yeah yeah this like well I looked and [TS]

  thought was a completely pointless thing [TS]

  this lever sleeve yeah they said that [TS]

  they showed that on screen at the kick [TS]

  at the keynote I was like well that's [TS]

  dumb and then I saw it in person and it [TS]

  looks real good [TS]

  it's the equivalent of will you'd see [TS]

  like an old desk and it would have a [TS]

  piece of lever built into the desk as [TS]

  the writing pad area yeah it reminds me [TS]

  exactly yeah that's exactly what it is [TS]

  so you take your iPad out and you put [TS]

  your little lever sleeve down and you [TS]

  take the pencil out the little well that [TS]

  they have for its really nice it's a [TS]

  nice accessory and it's if I was ever [TS]

  gonna use something like that it would [TS]

  be seen as I could something to put in [TS]

  and out of a bag yeah that's it I the [TS]

  thing that that made me reconsider that [TS]

  is one it looks really nice in person it [TS]

  works with the cover of the iPad which I [TS]

  I never I just assumed that it wouldn't [TS]

  right I thought like it would be a [TS]

  replacement for having this mark that [TS]

  you made for that yeah it has been [TS]

  measured to be used with the keyboard [TS]

  cover attached yeah that and and that [TS]

  totally changes it because in my mind I [TS]

  just assumed oh this is not what it's [TS]

  for it is an alternative cover it's not [TS]

  meant to be used with the keyboard cover [TS]

  so as soon as I realized I like that's [TS]

  great because when I'm traveling in [TS]

  particular that that's one time I'm very [TS]

  aware of trying not to lose the pencil [TS]

  and I'm like I feel like my brain is [TS]

  always on high alert about where's the [TS]

  pencil when I'm traveling and that makes [TS]

  that case really nice that I have a unit [TS]

  on an airplane that I can pull out it [TS]

  has both pieces that I need I can put [TS]

  both pieces back and slap it back into [TS]

  the suitcase when I'm done so [TS]

  I think I'll pick up one of those for [TS]

  travel usage if nothing else there is [TS]

  one number accessory which is just a [TS]

  leather key cover case yeah for the [TS]

  pencil I think it's that's not gonna [TS]

  happen but it's not gonna happen [TS]

  like it doesn't making it doesn't change [TS]

  it in any way like it doesn't do [TS]

  anything like the pencil is this [TS]

  indestructible piece of acrylic plastic [TS]

  like it doesn't it doesn't need [TS]

  protecting it doesn't it's like all we [TS]

  got scuffed yeah uh yeah I'm you know [TS]

  red ibly rough on my hardware I've never [TS]

  noticed anything with the pencil like [TS]

  scratch even scratches and Psyche um I'm [TS]

  rolling it through sand and gravel [TS]

  everyday I never notice anything good [TS]

  and on the construction site where the [TS]

  iPad is used yeah the last one of the [TS]

  last things on the multi-part lifestyle [TS]

  and it isn't it is a tenant of the of [TS]

  the the lifestyle is what happens to the [TS]

  previous devices mm-hmm so if we both [TS]

  replace our current equipment where the [TS]

  old ones go I wish I'm just looking [TS]

  around the room right now we're in your [TS]

  room I wish we were in my room because I [TS]

  would show you what my current twelve [TS]

  point nine inch iPad looks like and uh [TS]

  it had a big drop huh like a year ago oh [TS]

  oh there's like a like clunk is totally [TS]

  dented out the corner and I thought wow [TS]

  whatever it's not a big deal but over [TS]

  the months what has been happening is [TS]

  the screen is slowly slowly separating [TS]

  uh on my 12:9 and just like I kept [TS]

  thinking Oh any day now though a little [TS]

  bit bill release on its like I would [TS]

  never have lived with this as a hardware [TS]

  problem for as long as I did but I kept [TS]

  thinking like I'm gonna be replacing [TS]

  this machine any day now because it was [TS]

  like our pleasure in September um I'd be [TS]

  much yeah exactly right right yeah ever [TS]

  saw March is like well it's gotta be [TS]

  WWDC right as I yeah it use nothing [TS]

  forever yeah it's it is the the most [TS]

  banged up hardware that I have so that [TS]

  that that twelve nine is not long for [TS]

  this world anyway so [TS]

  that thing is going and nobody because [TS]

  it'll slice their hands open inside [TS]

  where the screen is so so that thing is [TS]

  is just gone my wife is going to keep [TS]

  using the smaller iPad Pro because she [TS]

  doesn't want anything that's bigger she [TS]

  already thinks that one is too big so [TS]

  that so that'll stick around so this is [TS]

  actually for me [TS]

  essentially a hardware replacement cycle [TS]

  yeah okay but for me I think I'm just [TS]

  gonna shuffle them down the line so like [TS]

  the current 97 will become the kitchen [TS]

  iPad right right or overcoming Dena's [TS]

  iPad if she can bear it mm-hmm [TS]

  and then the current kitchen iPad which [TS]

  is in there too will go to another [TS]

  member of my family at a 12-9 I have I [TS]

  have no idea then one can do with that [TS]

  yet because I I don't know if anyone [TS]

  will want it just because it's such a [TS]

  it's a specific device mmm for a [TS]

  specific type of person yeah exactly and [TS]

  so I'll have to ask around family and [TS]

  friends if anybody wants to take out [TS]

  man's the covered in sticker device that [TS]

  it is yeah I mean it's funny is you say [TS]

  it's a specific device for a specific [TS]

  person but I can't remember if I've [TS]

  mentioned on the show or not but when [TS]

  that iPad broke came out in my family we [TS]

  had a tech support decision which was [TS]

  transitioning my aunt from his MacBook [TS]

  that she had that was like an eight year [TS]

  old MacBook it was only lasting [TS]

  long-term yeah I was like this it was so [TS]

  old and uh it was so old that like Apple [TS]

  would refuse to do any support on it and [TS]

  it was a really interesting experience [TS]

  because her her needs were so minimal [TS]

  for computing and like she just does web [TS]

  browsing and email [TS]

  she doesn't even really do text or [TS]

  anything but when it came around to [TS]

  thinking like oh what are we going to do [TS]

  with my aunt because this thing is is [TS]

  not going to make it until the next time [TS]

  I come and visit right it's like all the [TS]

  tech support builds up for every time I [TS]

  go to visit my family and we're [TS]

  realizing like it's not going to last [TS]

  until the next time that I comes we have [TS]

  to do something and I took a gamble with [TS]

  that and I decided let's put my aunt on [TS]

  the twelve point nine inch iPad pro now [TS]

  she's the most unpro [TS]

  and she loves that machine it is it was [TS]

  itself it's so interesting to see [TS]

  they're like oh actually on the reverse [TS]

  end of the spectrum this is a perfect [TS]

  computer it has a hole size hardware [TS]

  keyboard and if you set it up so there's [TS]

  just a couple buttons on the home screen [TS]

  here's your email here's your web [TS]

  browser here's some maps and no one can [TS]

  mess around of it right no way it can be [TS]

  broken the tech support requirement is [TS]

  minimum and it has like we were saying [TS]

  before this feature of there's no [TS]

  drop-down menus to find stuff in it's [TS]

  like everything is just on the screen to [TS]

  touch so I have actually found like it's [TS]

  very interesting to me that my aunt has [TS]

  has taken to that and totally loves it [TS]

  and so in a weird way it's actually a [TS]

  very good machine on the total reverse [TS]

  end of the spectrum and she uses it just [TS]

  just like a little laptop 100% sure she [TS]

  knows the screen even comes off right [TS]

  business is like it's just a lot laptop [TS]

  to her and she's like oh the software is [TS]

  different and she's great no no problem [TS]

  at all Oh exactly Computer Group yeah [TS]

  it's just what we wanted great do you [TS]

  feel do you feel placate it isn't the [TS]

  word you satisfied when we spend a lot [TS]

  of time recently talking about but we [TS]

  were unhappy with the way that thing's [TS]

  gonna I've been kind of thinking about [TS]

  this that like WWDC 2016 2 wc 2017 was [TS]

  an error of dissatisfaction and [TS]

  pessimism in the Apple community which [TS]

  led to me and you rethinking how we [TS]

  wanted to move going forward it felt [TS]

  like we were on all fronts louisia right [TS]

  like even our max we're losing out which [TS]

  is the least important of our devices [TS]

  and we kind of felt like the pro users [TS]

  of Apple being left out in the cold it [TS]

  was it was a long walk through the [TS]

  valley of darkness yeah [TS]

  like without a doubt like it's just been [TS]

  bad hmm [TS]

  but as you said earlier in the episode [TS]

  every WC 2017 everyone got everything [TS]

  they wanted how do you feel so in our [TS]

  previous episode I mentioned that if I [TS]

  got everything that I wanted it would [TS]

  still not be enough mm-hmm and here's [TS]

  the thing that is that statement is true [TS]

  but I stand I stand by that statement [TS]

  because what I want to see is not just [TS]

  oh we've had a magical year and [TS]

  everybody got everything they wanted [TS]

  which while I'm extremely happy there is [TS]

  still that feeling of like some of the [TS]

  stuff just feels way overdue [TS]

  like it should have it should have been [TS]

  sooner like seeing it now I can [TS]

  understand maybe why like okay [TS]

  multitasking you were doing a UI refresh [TS]

  with it like I can see why these things [TS]

  took a long time but nonetheless there [TS]

  still is a little bit of a feeling of [TS]

  like okay Apple we're back on the level [TS]

  you put on an amazing show right it's [TS]

  like you've got elephants and lions and [TS]

  magic boxes and it's great [TS]

  you put an amazing stone I'm like I'm [TS]

  satisfied I'm satisfied very happy and [TS]

  also satisfied so I feel that way it was [TS]

  a great WWDC I really want to [TS]

  congratulate everybody was working on it [TS]

  like it's fantastic I do have that [TS]

  feeling of I will be truly happy when I [TS]

  see that it is less than two years until [TS]

  this happens again like on on uh on this [TS]

  on my personal wish list for WWDC [TS]

  the number one item was less than two [TS]

  years until the next major round of iPad [TS]

  improvements and I have that feeling but [TS]

  I can also say that I feel very [TS]

  confident that it won't be two years [TS]

  until that happens why [TS]

  because I don't think that the magic box [TS]

  with a gift for everybody was an [TS]

  accident [TS]

  like thinking back over that keynote and [TS]

  looking at all of the things that they [TS]

  did I didn't realize it until after the [TS]

  keynote was over how much of the stuff [TS]

  they talked about was future stuff right [TS]

  like they they wanted to hit everybody's [TS]

  got something and it's like hey we've [TS]

  got new Macs today but guess what [TS]

  there's going to be this totally awesome [TS]

  iMac Pro it's coming out in December [TS]

  right and it's like hey we're working on [TS]

  a speaker ok that's coming out later in [TS]

  the year like and they they went through [TS]

  everything so that everybody can feel [TS]

  happy and that is such it that is such a [TS]

  departure from the normal appellate alit [TS]

  done yeah well wait til it's done and [TS]

  we'll tell you when it's available for [TS]

  sale right now and I just maybe I'm [TS]

  interpreting it wrong but I really do [TS]

  feel like this was an intentional [TS]

  decision to have a total crowd pleaser [TS]

  and that is a great opportunity to be a [TS]

  reset button of like let's make [TS]

  everybody happy there's something for [TS]

  everybody and I am taking that as a very [TS]

  good sign that there's an internal [TS]

  reassessment and Apple of even if it's [TS]

  taking us longer to do stuff let's try [TS]

  to be better about communicating it at [TS]

  the very least and let's be aware of [TS]

  just updating stuff as we go along so [TS]

  and maybe proven wrong in the future but [TS]

  I feel very confident that it's not [TS]

  going to be two years until the next [TS]

  round that I'm going to see you in San [TS]

  Jose next year and I'll be able to tick [TS]

  off that top box on this year's wish [TS]

  list it's not going to take two years [TS]

  for this to happen again I feel exactly [TS]

  the same as you but a little bit more so [TS]

  in that I don't like having to be [TS]

  pessimistic all the time like it's no [TS]

  it's terrible it's very frustrating and [TS]

  it's not happy and it makes me not enjoy [TS]

  my job as much mm-hm you know my job has [TS]

  inbuilt and it's so much enjoyment for [TS]

  me because I get to do and talk about [TS]

  the things that I love [TS]

  spending the last maybe nine months [TS]

  being annoyed mmm and frustrated has [TS]

  made my job less fun yeah [TS]

  so I'm my current feeling right now [TS]

  going for the next 12 months is I'm [TS]

  gonna try and be as optimistic as I can [TS]

  because what I have in front of me right [TS]

  now is really exciting yes because I've [TS]

  been given all the tools that I was [TS]

  looking for so I'm gonna try and enjoy [TS]

  them as much as possible hmm because I [TS]

  feel like that that is a thing I can do [TS]

  like I always try but last year was not [TS]

  really given anything so it was really [TS]

  it was like a stretch you know after the [TS]

  first like three or four or five months [TS]

  it just got really tricky because it was [TS]

  like okay the software sucks [TS]

  but at least I'm gonna get on a new [TS]

  hardware ah right then fine I'll just [TS]

  well new iPhones are now or I'll stick [TS]

  with a car not the way they often looks [TS]

  right like yeah really [TS]

  we've got air pods which are fantastic [TS]

  mm-hmm that's kind of it really like in [TS]

  the grand scheme of things the things [TS]

  that really surprised and made me happy [TS]

  in the past year hmm that was the big [TS]

  one yeah and everything else that I was [TS]

  hoping for I had to wait a bit longer [TS]

  for so now I'm like well I have all this [TS]

  stuff that I wanted now they gave it to [TS]

  me in one day [TS]

  mm-hmm like even though things are not [TS]

  that gone like that the home pod the [TS]

  Siri speaker music thing it understand [TS]

  think is a product for me that they're [TS]

  focusing way more on music and I don't [TS]

  really consume music that way at home [TS]

  I'll just say I have a suspicion about [TS]

  the home pod I've been like I don't push [TS]

  on everybody which is I think the name [TS]

  makes sense if you think that the [TS]

  direction that Apple is going is this is [TS]

  good this device right now is not it's [TS]

  in Kent I don't know what its gonna be [TS]

  they're showing all the music stuff [TS]

  right now because Gary isn't at the [TS]

  point where they want it to be now and [TS]

  it seems like even by the time this [TS]

  ships in December the story could be [TS]

  really different but just where they are [TS]

  today they're focusing way more on the [TS]

  music aspect because that's the best [TS]

  feature of it because it's his [TS]

  incredible speaker like as they show it [TS]

  right now it's not for me but I'm sure [TS]

  it's actually a product for a lot of [TS]

  people and if you listen to music at [TS]

  home like this is a thing in your house [TS]

  this looks fantastic and I know people [TS]

  that I've heard it [TS]

  I've read some stuff about people that [TS]

  have actually heard the thing and for [TS]

  the money it seems to be an incredibly [TS]

  good speaker but like for me we like the [TS]

  Amazon echo at home because of its [TS]

  integrations for services and Apple is [TS]

  an at that point with this product yet [TS]

  so I have no desire to change but I'm [TS]

  not begrudging it yeah because they're [TS]

  not standing on stage and saying like [TS]

  this is our answer to the echo right [TS]

  right they showed the echo on stage and [TS]

  they're like they want to make a product [TS]

  that was a combination between a really [TS]

  great speaker like a Sonos and something [TS]

  smart like an echo and it seems to have [TS]

  that because you can do some serious [TS]

  talk with it but it's definitely not [TS]

  their answer to it not yet [TS]

  I believe like you that it will be [TS]

  because the clues in the name [TS]

  yeah that is like talking about what are [TS]

  we expecting in the future I feel like [TS]

  the home pod name is an arrow pointing [TS]

  in the direction of future development [TS]

  and it can do some stuff like it can act [TS]

  as the like base of your home kit [TS]

  devices I can't remember the actual [TS]

  terminology Apple use but effectively [TS]

  like the home server for those devices [TS]

  it can do that where the Apple TV can [TS]

  currently do it so like it has some [TS]

  functionality there or or an old iPad [TS]

  which or I old iPad which is my central [TS]

  server - by accident my kitchen iPad is [TS]

  by accident my home and the home port [TS]

  and we get thing but like so it's got [TS]

  that stuff but it's like I'm not annoyed [TS]

  about this like what I wanted was Apple [TS]

  to give me something I could replace [TS]

  mica with but they didn't but it's fine [TS]

  mmm Gaja keep using man was like man was [TS]

  Anika cool with it but I know that if [TS]

  they wouldn't have given me the iPad [TS]

  stuff my overall feeling would've been [TS]

  pessimism and I was really annoyed about [TS]

  the home pod right right yeah that's [TS]

  what the last year has been that every [TS]

  announcement [TS]

  Apple has had has not been good enough [TS]

  right because they weren't necessarily [TS]

  what I was looking for and they also [TS]

  hadn't given me anything else right I [TS]

  know and it's it's like there there's an [TS]

  alternate universe where this WWDC [TS]

  keynote has you know maybe no new iPads [TS]

  or like it's just missing a bunch of [TS]

  stuff but they still have that [TS]

  kaleidoscope watch face and I would be [TS]

  burning down the world right but you [TS]

  know the other thing is I've recorded [TS]

  two shows I've listened to two shows [TS]

  he talks about the opening video oh [TS]

  right yes of course which was funny but [TS]

  in points kind of tone-deaf that that [TS]

  video is going to come to bite Apple in [TS]

  the ass eventually because someday [TS]

  they're going to have a major iCloud [TS]

  like out in and that is going to be the [TS]

  first thing that people on the internet [TS]

  remixes like all right remember when you [TS]

  made the video about a big disaster at [TS]

  your data center yeah and those up [TS]

  nobodies iPhones and we've cited the [TS]

  apocalypse but that's not being bought [TS]

  up yeah [TS]

  where it would be usually yeah but we [TS]

  just haven't got time to criticize yeah [TS]

  and and it and it's also in in the scope [TS]

  of things I mean just to touch back upon [TS]

  it briefly like I I think maybe the [TS]

  worst decision that Apple made when we [TS]

  were in the valley of darkness was [TS]

  releasing the book about how fantastic [TS]

  all of their products are I think that [TS]

  is maybe the most tone-deaf getting [TS]

  Apple has ever done or a history of the [TS]

  company is like guys hold off that book [TS]

  just until after this WWDC right and [TS]

  it's like now that is an example of like [TS]

  it seems like you're showing off a bunch [TS]

  of stuff while you have you've got [TS]

  nothing to back it up [TS]

  and something like with this WWDC it's [TS]

  like okay is that for his video a little [TS]

  tone deaf [TS]

  is that Kaleidoscope watchface may be [TS]

  the worst thing i've ever seen but it [TS]

  does it like you're willing to go [TS]

  totally past it because it's like look [TS]

  at that sexy iMac Pro like Eggers dumb [TS]

  video whatever like who cares oh my god [TS]

  you put new processes in a MacBook Pro [TS]

  ready yes yes thumbs like and and so [TS]

  it's it's this feeling like when you're [TS]

  doing amazing things the people who like [TS]

  your products are also willing to cut [TS]

  you a lot of runway and if you're just [TS]

  silent and doing nothing and everything [TS]

  is unhappy then the story turns to like [TS]

  everything you do is a PR disaster and a [TS]

  waste of waste of resources so I feel [TS]

  that I feel like Apple has bought [TS]

  themselves a lot of runway with this [TS]

  WWDC and it's also because of that [TS]

  signaling that I've I feel confident [TS]

  that they're they're going to do more [TS]

  stuff in the future and I'm viewing this [TS]

  as like reset WWDC I'm ver I'm just [TS]

  really I'm relieved yeah cuz I was [TS]

  dreading [TS]

  like I was rage-filled on so many fronts [TS]

  dreading it right it's like I'm not [TS]

  gonna get the tools that I want to do my [TS]

  work and I'm gonna have to spend months [TS]

  more being just really frustrated yeah [TS]

  and I have to say other thing I've [TS]

  really liked about that that keynote [TS]

  going back to what we were talking about [TS]

  being in San Jose with everybody [TS]

  everybody's in such a good mood yeah [TS]

  it's it's like you can tell every person [TS]

  who is here is super happy that you know [TS]

  everybody has something everybody has [TS]

  excited things to talk about is like the [TS]

  whole mood of the Apple community which [TS]

  is orbiting around that convention [TS]

  centers like everybody is great [TS]

  whereas I remember last year there was [TS]

  really that feeling of like ooh sticker [TS]

  is this great but like what's happening [TS]

  where were the thing it was it was a [TS]

  totally different mood when you talk to [TS]

  people versus this year and this year it [TS]

  has made being in San Jose genuinely [TS]

  more enjoyable because you can [TS]

  everybody's excited about something and [TS]

  wants to talk about something so well [TS]

  done Apple yeah thanks to Mike for [TS]

  setting up this thing in person wasn't [TS]

  too bad we've been a little weird but [TS]

  it's been way it's been fine [TS]

  it's been easier yeah then I was [TS]

  expecting I think maybe actually this [TS]

  has made it a little bit more like our [TS]

  lunches actually are I feel like this [TS]

  conversation has been a bit more casual [TS]

  than other conversations mm-hmm [TS]

  but so we start looking into some don't [TS]

  count on this in the future that's what [TS]

  I'm saying don't count this in the [TS]

  future [TS]

  all right man we got to go there's more [TS]

  WWDC more things to do more things to do [TS]

  thanks for the horrible of the other [TS]

  yeah let's go let's get out of here [TS]