The Incomparable

◼   ► the Intolerable number 157 June 2017

◼   ► welcome back everybody to the

◼   ► incomparable I am NOT your host Jason

◼   ► Snell no I am Erika ensign and I'm

◼   ► usually a panelist here on the

◼   ► incomparable but alas our fearless

◼   ► leader is not able to be with us today

◼   ► if you are a regular listener to the

◼   ► podcast you'll know that one thing we do

◼   ► very rarely is talk about current movies

◼   ► films that are in the theater now and

◼   ► that is because it is so hard to find

◼   ► time for enough of us to get to the

◼   ► theater and watch them in time to record

◼   ► a sort of timely podcast about a new

◼   ► movie but this is one of those rare

◼   ► occasions when we are going to do just

◼   ► that we are here to talk about Wonder

◼   ► Woman starring gal gadot and directed by

◼   ► patty Jenkins I think Jason would

◼   ► probably have liked to have been here

◼   ► but there's this little thing this week

◼   ► called WWDC and apparently that doesn't

◼   ► stand for Wonder Woman from Detective

◼   ► Comics who knew so yeah what's that

◼   ► about yeah so while the host is a way

◼   ► the panelists will play and I have a

◼   ► fine assortment of panelists joining me

◼   ► today to talk about this blockbuster

◼   ► film first of all we have a Shannon

◼   ► ceteris welcome back to the podcast

◼   ► Shannon or lafa tikis and you heard his

◼   ► voice a moment ago and David J Laura's

◼   ► here what would that oh oh that's a

◼   ► watch Alyssa Frankie welcome welcome to

◼   ► be incomparable hello and a Kelly

◼   ► camonte how do you do buckaroos and last

◼   ► but not least I drag my spouse along

◼   ► Stephen Chbosky hello nanu-nanu huh yeah

◼   ► off the rails already and with with

◼   ► introductions but hey that means I'm

◼   ► pretty much on pace for many a typical

◼   ► Jason introduction so I don't feel so

◼   ► terrible about it but no no no as I said

◼   ► yes we are here to talk about Wonder

◼   ► Woman and there are a lot of us who not

◼   ► only were excited to see the film but

◼   ► actually got to see it on opening

◼   ► weekend at least once I think maybe some

◼   ► of us have seen it more than that so I

◼   ► think we're going to go around and and

◼   ► do some some maybe John Syracuse's style

◼   ► opening statements or just some rough

◼   ► overall stuff Before we jump into

◼   ► spoiler territory so so don't don't jump

◼   ► in with the spoilers right away

◼   ► but I would like to to kind of hear what

◼   ► your your opinions are in a general

◼   ► sense and how many times you've seen

◼   ► this what it was sort of the experience

◼   ► was like in the theatre anyone want to

◼   ► jump in basically I have been dying for

◼   ► this movie ever since it got greenlit I

◼   ► am a Wonder Woman fan going all the way

◼   ► back to my childhood

◼   ► Super Friends the Lynda Carter TV show

◼   ► subscribe to the comics for a while

◼   ► followed the DC Animated universe just

◼   ► because I loved the character so much

◼   ► and the movie lived up to my

◼   ► expectations

◼   ► beautifully I've left the theater I've

◼   ► only seen it once so far but I'm going

◼   ► back and it totally totally satisfied me

◼   ► awesome Kelly did you see this more than

◼   ► once I did I saw it three times holy cow

◼   ► your hero indeed that's about seven

◼   ► hours yeah so the first time was I have

◼   ► a regular movie going buddy

◼   ► so we will go in the afternoon when it's

◼   ► cheaper because what our schedules will

◼   ► flex that way and he was complaining

◼   ► about having nobody to go to movies with

◼   ► so we've gone and seen stuff and he shot

◼   ► me a note and said hey I'm going

◼   ► Thursday night we've got a bunch of

◼   ► people getting together do you want to

◼   ► go and I'm like sure so he showed up and

◼   ► so I actually got to see it with Greg

◼   ► Rucka whoa dude please tell those in the

◼   ► audience tonight who don't know who that

◼   ► is um he's a big deal hmm let's go with

◼   ► that um he he writes Wonder Woman

◼   ► currently and actually got to see the

◼   ► film earlier this year and said that

◼   ► they hadn't really made any sub citizen

◼   ► changes so he was looking forward to it

◼   ► with the score and some some finished CG

◼   ► and stuff because it didn't have music

◼   ► when he saw it and and was talking about

◼   ► how when he went in they really kind of

◼   ► had to he felt like they were going to

◼   ► really have to work to impress him and

◼   ► then they did and so he's been excited

◼   ► about it for ages and of course couldn't

◼   ► really say much about it to anybody so

◼   ► that was really great

◼   ► um and he's so nice and super friendly

◼   ► and like it was really great never met

◼   ► before and I got a chance to actually

◼   ► sit with him and we chatted a little

◼   ► before and after the movie and he's so

◼   ► nice so like on top of everything else

◼   ► like that was really great and then I

◼   ► saw it on Friday with some friends of

◼   ► mine and then again on Saturday with

◼   ► some friends of mine and one thing that

◼   ► I noticed is I saw it the first time in

◼   ► a local theater like an independent

◼   ► theater that's not a searchlight or

◼   ► Cinemark or any of those and then I saw

◼   ► the other the other two times I saw it

◼   ► in Cinemark theatres and Wow I just sort

◼   ► of forgot how many commercials um for

◼   ► those movies when you go to big places

◼   ► um I really enjoyed getting to see a

◼   ► movie where a woman was front and center

◼   ► and the whole thing wasn't about how is

◼   ► the woman gonna respond to this and I

◼   ► really felt like the performance of our

◼   ► two main characters was balanced I feel

◼   ► like Steve Trevor Chris Pine did a

◼   ► really good job of I don't know how to

◼   ► describe it but like he knew it wasn't

◼   ► his movie when right like I feel like

◼   ► that was kind of an important thing

◼   ► because it's not often that the guy that

◼   ► particularly for you Chris Pine who

◼   ► spent three movies as the center of the

◼   ► film is Captain Kirk you know um feeling

◼   ► like it was sort of interesting to watch

◼   ► him play second fiddle and so that was

◼   ► also a really interesting part of it I

◼   ► want to get into specific stuff later so

◼   ► I'm just going to leave it at I really

◼   ► enjoyed it and I would not be sad at all

◼   ► if I had accidentally ended up with

◼   ► plans to see it a fourth time today mhm

◼   ► yeah I I saw it Friday night and I loved

◼   ► it and I one of the things I was I was

◼   ► really impressed by was the chemistry

◼   ► between the two of them I thought that

◼   ► was delightful they were there were

◼   ► there were moments straight out of a 30s

◼   ► or 40s mid film and sometimes a

◼   ► screwball comedy and sometimes a drama

◼   ► and they they carried them beautifully

◼   ► and and you're exactly right about him

◼   ► knowing that it's not his film and

◼   ► playing that brilliantly I kind of wish

◼   ► his Jim Kirk were a little bit more like

◼   ► Steve Trevor at least in the first two

◼   ► movies there's a little better in Star

◼   ► Trek beyond but the

◼   ► JJ Abrams movies he's a little too bro

◼   ► and this was much more this this is a

◼   ► hero this is a good character yeah yeah

◼   ► I had a little eye rolling when I heard

◼   ► that he'd been cast because at that

◼   ► point all we had was two Star Trek

◼   ► movies and a Jack Ryan movie right you

◼   ► know to sort of look at and it was and

◼   ► I'm like oh that hurts a little you know

◼   ► I wasn't sure how they were gonna do

◼   ► that but I was I was really impressed

◼   ► with him and I actually came out of that

◼   ► with a much higher estimation of Chris

◼   ► Pine than I did going in nine so Alyssa

◼   ► what was your experience like so I saw

◼   ► it on Friday it was a birthday party

◼   ► actually for one of my gal friends and

◼   ► walking into the theater it was an

◼   ► amazing experience in and of itself

◼   ► there was these two little girls that

◼   ► were running up the street alongside me

◼   ► and they ran up and they ran to the

◼   ► movie poster they started shrieking and

◼   ► they ran up to the ticket box and they

◼   ► started shrieking and they were jumping

◼   ► up and down like absolutely gleeful just

◼   ► to be able to go and see this the movie

◼   ► theater was not all women unfortunately

◼   ► we did not get one of those showings

◼   ► where I am but the women kind of took it

◼   ► over it was a very vocal audience but

◼   ► sort of in the best way possible there

◼   ► was a lot of cheering for the fanservice

◼   ► we had with a lovely scene with Chris

◼   ► Pine and we'll talk later

◼   ► we talked more about it later but it was

◼   ► very vocally appreciated by the women in

◼   ► my audience fans and watches so many

◼   ► fans of watches in that theater and

◼   ► everyone was just powered up like every

◼   ► single fight scene every single amazing

◼   ► moment from Wonder Woman you could just

◼   ► hear the appreciation in the audience

◼   ► just everyone absolutely losing it so I

◼   ► was really excited you know I think

◼   ► we've had a lot of women in superhero

◼   ► movies this is the first time I felt

◼   ► that this was a very focused female

◼   ► superhero movie that was really designed

◼   ► to empower women

◼   ► and make them feel really like the stars

◼   ► of this you know we've talked a little

◼   ► bit but like he always feels like the

◼   ► second fiddle guy sort of comes in and

◼   ► takes a lot of the space in these movies

◼   ► but the journey was entirely about

◼   ► Wonder Woman and I just came out of

◼   ► there feeling absolutely fired up and

◼   ► amazing it was so exciting and I loved

◼   ► it mm-hmm

◼   ► I was kind of amazed actually that our

◼   ► guy I went to an independent theater -

◼   ► not crowded it was kind of a weird time

◼   ► from time of day but it was it was a

◼   ► fairly gender balanced group but there

◼   ► were a lot of little girls and as the

◼   ► movie went on they got louder and louder

◼   ► and louder and just a happier and

◼   ► cheering and clapping and everybody

◼   ► clapped at the end of the movie it's not

◼   ► often I've been in a theater here in

◼   ► Indiana where that happens so well

◼   ► Steven I know you saw this once with me

◼   ► and I don't think either one of us

◼   ► really knew anything about it going in

◼   ► did you I the only thing I knew about

◼   ► Wonder Woman is Lynda Carter because

◼   ► used to watch Wonder Woman when I was

◼   ► five or six and I had such a crush on

◼   ► her years before I knew why I should

◼   ► have a crush on her you're Canadian me

◼   ► and then the then I've played Lego

◼   ► dimensions where the Wonder Woman is a

◼   ► character this is so I and then there

◼   ► was this movie Andy and you told me

◼   ► Erica that we're going to this movie

◼   ► because you know it's important that we

◼   ► support this with the dolls I said sir

◼   ► absolutely let's watch it I had never

◼   ► seen a DC movie before of the current DC

◼   ► EU so already it's the best DC movie

◼   ► that I've seen uh technically it's also

◼   ► the worst though I suppose it is but if

◼   ► it was on the Marvel Universe B of which

◼   ► I've seen every single one this would be

◼   ► the best Marvel movie I think I just

◼   ► need to um it was really really good I

◼   ► think by about twenty or twenty five

◼   ► minutes and I was hooked

◼   ► um and and I I just adored that film

◼   ► tube it's possibly the most out of the

◼   ► three of us you me and our friend

◼   ► Annette which kind of surprised me I

◼   ► thought you were both really full-on on

◼   ► board with this as much as I was but I

◼   ► think um my level of enthusiasm talked

◼   ► to yours

◼   ► we walked out of the theater and Annette

◼   ► and I were kind of nodding like yeah I

◼   ► was those all right and Steven was like

◼   ► he had stars in his eyes and he was

◼   ► floating through the party so well Chris

◼   ► Pine is a handsome man it'd be a fair

◼   ► yeah yeah this is this is the first

◼   ► female superhero starring film since

◼   ► well I mean I guess technically we had

◼   ► Electra

◼   ► but I was going to say Supergirl 1984 um

◼   ► so this is this is this was a big deal

◼   ► from even before like the moment that it

◼   ► got greenlit and not only is it

◼   ► starring gal gadot a whose name I have

◼   ► been pronouncing wrong a lot so I

◼   ► apologize and I didn't run that on

◼   ► purpose but it's also directed by a

◼   ► woman which i think is kind of an

◼   ► interesting thing so we've got some

◼   ► double standards that have been that

◼   ► it's been sort of subjected to even

◼   ► before it hit the theaters and even

◼   ► before anybody anybody saw it

◼   ► I mean you you'd be surprised by some of

◼   ► the reviews you know there's a lot of

◼   ► positive reviews and certainly the movie

◼   ► has made enough money that I don't think

◼   ► anybody is seriously going to say that

◼   ► this wasn't successful but there's

◼   ► already people attributing the success

◼   ► of the movie to Zack Snyder there are

◼   ► people saying that Jenkins is being

◼   ► hired as a sort of political correctness

◼   ► nod and that they can't attribute the

◼   ► success of the movie to her so I'm sorry

◼   ► no no no the feel of the movie is

◼   ► obviously obviously a woman's viewpoint

◼   ► year was not a single shot in those

◼   ► fight scenes of deliberate let's get a

◼   ► close-up of her boobs let's get a

◼   ► close-up you know of this part of her

◼   ► body the warriors the Amazons fought

◼   ► like warriors fought just you know there

◼   ► was no titillation there was nothing

◼   ► about those fight scenes designed to say

◼   ► lookie here look at the girls yeah and

◼   ► you know it it takes so long for that to

◼   ► sink in because we are so used to how

◼   ► you know it goes back to comics how a

◼   ► lot of male artists draw women in comics

◼   ► that's been transferred a good deal too

◼   ► the movie universe to the Marvel movies

◼   ► of you know showing off the pretty

◼   ► woman's figure instead of showing off

◼   ► that she can kick ass it's going to be

◼   ► the the top grossing movie this weekend

◼   ► I'm really excited about that because

◼   ► that is math that's that's an objective

◼   ► thing that's not something like oh

◼   ► you're just saying you like it because

◼   ► because you're a girl or it gives you

◼   ► like her because this or because that

◼   ► like you can't dismiss math math is not

◼   ► math was not subject to I don't know in

◼   ► this society we can try want to but this

◼   ► is one of the few things where like you

◼   ► can't just chalk this up to me myself

◼   ► going well I really liked it well yeah

◼   ► but there's no but I'm not alone here

◼   ► right this is not a cult movie this is

◼   ► not a movie that lives underground and

◼   ► gets rediscovered 20 years later this is

◼   ► a hit out of the box yeah and it's all

◼   ► the one cautionary the one cautionary

◼   ► thing I'll say is that not to bring

◼   ► anybody down but just to fire you up for

◼   ► the next battles that need to be fought

◼   ► if that Hollywood sort of has a history

◼   ► of taking movies that were successfully

◼   ► directed by women on their first go and

◼   ► giving subsequent movies to male

◼   ► directors this happened with Twilight

◼   ► even though you know shattered records

◼   ► for the time raised a ton of money and

◼   ► was seen you know generally as the

◼   ► success subsequent movies getting passed

◼   ► on to male directors and the female

◼   ► director getting quite a bit of negative

◼   ► press related to that of saying that you

◼   ► know just couldn't work with them moving

◼   ► forward so keep fighting so that patty

◼   ► Jenkins can direct everything yeah

◼   ► whatever comes next after Justice League

◼   ► like you know we get the November

◼   ► Justice League and then she directs the

◼   ► next one yeah that's like I will will

◼   ► get to my Zack Snyder issue later I have

◼   ► a Syracuse's statement on Zack Snyder

◼   ► but but the things that I loved in this

◼   ► movie were clearly all patty Jenkins and

◼   ► all filtered to that sensibility and I

◼   ► have a friend who she doesn't she's not

◼   ► a big movie person she's really not a

◼   ► big superhero movie person and I said

◼   ► you know you might enjoy this partly

◼   ► because I mean the superior stuff is

◼   ► superhero it's great

◼   ► fine it's the human stuff and it's there

◼   ► is a believability and plausibility in

◼   ► everything about the human characters

◼   ► and then in Diana's discovering the

◼   ► human world that you don't get in a lot

◼   ► of superhero movies and I mean just the

◼   ► range of types of characters that

◼   ► surround her in this movie when have we

◼   ► seen that in a superhero movie it's it's

◼   ► really lovely and then there's then

◼   ► there's a little bit that's Zack Snyder

◼   ► II so what she does a great job at the

◼   ► the action sequence it's usually a

◼   ► sequences in comic book movies bore me

◼   ► to tears because they usually have an

◼   ► inevitable outcome which is usually

◼   ► nobody wins or nobody loses and they're

◼   ► just you know smashing parked cars for a

◼   ► few minutes before before it ends here

◼   ► there's almost like a billeted style to

◼   ► it where they just sort of slows down

◼   ► sort of hover in midair we focus on a

◼   ► move a little bit and then BOOM returns

◼   ► to like normal speed again like it never

◼   ► felt dizzying or disorientating or

◼   ► boring in any way there was always just

◼   ► enough of those little moves put into

◼   ► fight scene so that always just was

◼   ► super interesting and fun to watch with

◼   ► there are moments in there that almost

◼   ► look like Alex Ross paintings come to

◼   ► life which comparison if you don't know

◼   ► Alex Ross go look him up you know you've

◼   ► seen his stuff he does all the covers

◼   ► for aster city he did Kingdom Come and

◼   ► and it's amazing to me that they managed

◼   ► to get that look in that style in a lot

◼   ► of the fight sequences of this and a lot

◼   ► of the sort of slowed down almost glory

◼   ► shots right yeah sure I gorgeous I think

◼   ► another important thing is your rights

◼   ► even they had consequences it's not just

◼   ► bashing up cars for five minutes and

◼   ► then we move on every fight scene had

◼   ► consequences and they showed the true

◼   ► sort of human horror of all the

◼   ► destruction that they're going through I

◼   ► think my big problem with Marvel movies

◼   ► lately has it's been you know one big

◼   ► city destruction after another and you

◼   ► just sort of move on and there hasn't

◼   ► been a lot of focus on the horror that

◼   ► they must be witnessing there

◼   ► and Wonder Woman wasn't afraid of that

◼   ► it didn't shy away from that it really

◼   ► focused in on that horrific element to

◼   ► every single fight scene which is in

◼   ► keeping with the tone of the movie you

◼   ► know setting it during World War one and

◼   ► having the whole reason for Diana to

◼   ► emerge from Fennessy era to try and stop

◼   ► this huge horrific war that they didn't

◼   ► they didn't sugarcoat it that was the

◼   ► thing that I really noticed in this was

◼   ► aftermath there's there's a fair amount

◼   ► of like aftermath and consequence that's

◼   ► very visible and very upfront which I

◼   ► thought was impressive but the thing I

◼   ► liked about the fight scenes was they

◼   ► were longer shots yes yes usually I end

◼   ► up checking out of fight scenes because

◼   ► you're showing me a fraction of a second

◼   ► and then a new angle or a new place

◼   ► where fighting is happening and then you

◼   ► come back and Herc and jerk and like I

◼   ► have a TD and I can't keep up and so I

◼   ► end up just sort of letting it go by and

◼   ► not really paying attention until the

◼   ► fighting stops and there's no

◼   ► consequences so we just go back to

◼   ► whatever story is happening so I really

◼   ► liked the the speed manipulation and I

◼   ► also liked getting to actually see what

◼   ► was going on and understand what was

◼   ► going on and then see and understand

◼   ► those consequences afterwards like

◼   ► altogether it was much more impactful to

◼   ► watch the fighting in this film than in

◼   ► a lot of others it's it's the same

◼   ► reason Fred Astaire insisted on

◼   ► full-frame long shot take camera takes

◼   ► for all the dance sequences in his films

◼   ► because you need to see the whole thing

◼   ► it's not elements right you don't get

◼   ► anything from that you don't get

◼   ► anything from quick cuts you need to see

◼   ► the whole performance and and in your

◼   ► brain realize what went into making that

◼   ► right yeah and it's a problem with a lot

◼   ► of superhero movies these days and just

◼   ► a lot of action movies these days is

◼   ► that it's so much quick cutting and

◼   ► there's no you you you don't have to be

◼   ► decent at this to be able to pull that

◼   ► off right yeah you can mask a lot with

◼   ► with a lot of quick cutting and I tend

◼   ► to be the first person to say that

◼   ► action sequences are boring of any kind

◼   ► yes and yet honestly I think they were

◼   ► my favorite parts of the film and I mean

◼   ► I kind of walked out going you know I

◼   ► wonder if all of the other superhero

◼   ► films like had all of the dude heroes

◼   ► with long flowing hair and

◼   ► skirts and super kicky boots if I would

◼   ► appreciate them a little more and that

◼   ► might help but I do think that it was

◼   ► the the framing and the the sense of

◼   ► place that you have in in each one of

◼   ► the action sequences that made me more

◼   ► rooted in it so before we before we talk

◼   ► more about the consequences of the

◼   ► action sequences we should probably blow

◼   ► the spoiler horn but before that is

◼   ► there anything else that anybody wants

◼   ► to say is sort of an opening statement

◼   ► type of a thing quick shout out you know

◼   ► we've mentioned here and there the

◼   ► acting but I think gal gadot and Chris

◼   ► Pine Kelly earlier mentioned balance and

◼   ► I think that's just such a key element

◼   ► in the writing and the performances that

◼   ► the actors brought to the roles because

◼   ► you have this amazing balance of things

◼   ► that make up Wonder Woman you've got all

◼   ► of this education and wisdom from

◼   ► centuries of growing up with the Amazons

◼   ► and you smash that against her total

◼   ► ignorance of the rest of the outside

◼   ► world and just the her innocence and the

◼   ► delight she takes in so many things that

◼   ► she sees compared to you know the things

◼   ► that bother her or you know are horrify

◼   ► her and meet Chris Pine that this Steve

◼   ► Trevor I love this Steve Trevor

◼   ► um again not taking over the movie he is

◼   ► just enough of a flirt um he is smart

◼   ► he is capable he's not played to be some

◼   ► doofy sidekick that it drags her down

◼   ► they wind up making a really good team

◼   ► together and it all just balances so

◼   ► very well hey everybody it's Jason I'm

◼   ► here remotely it's going well so far

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◼   ► well I think that's a very good note too

◼   ► to bring us to the other part of the

◼   ► podcast which will balance out this

◼   ► first pot part and that it after the

◼   ► spoiler horn so if you don't be spoiled

◼   ► go see the movie really just go go see

◼   ► it go

◼   ► okay so I know that quite often when we

◼   ► talk about movies on this podcast Jason

◼   ► sort of takes us through them

◼   ► sequentially after only one viewing for

◼   ► some of us that's going to be a tough

◼   ► thing to do but I do think that we've we

◼   ► should start with with kind of the

◼   ► framing element we have the the very

◼   ► beginning the very end of the movie

◼   ► which I assume is sort of set and around

◼   ► the same time as the Man of Steel and um

◼   ► Batman versus other film doesn't exist

◼   ► those those I thought it was slightly

◼   ► after the film we dare not speak its

◼   ► name

◼   ► mm-hmm yeah that one and we do have that

◼   ► which I didn't understand what it was

◼   ► and I didn't know that if it was if it

◼   ► was following on to a conversation since

◼   ► I didn't see that movie that we don't

◼   ► want a name but she gets this really

◼   ► cool picture which later on at the end

◼   ► of the movie we find out that it's her

◼   ► and and all of her buddies from World

◼   ► War one which was kind of a I thought

◼   ► that was a nice frame II touch to sort

◼   ► of ground it in the world of the DC

◼   ► movies that exist now in a way that

◼   ► absolutely makes no difference to the

◼   ► story that's being told in this film

◼   ► right right yeah basically I went

◼   ► looking YouTube very handily has a few

◼   ► compilations of just the Wonder Woman

◼   ► minutes from that movie so you know

◼   ► that's all I needed

◼   ► that's all I needed but yes apparently

◼   ► Lex Luthor had found this photo and

◼   ► Bruce Wayne managed to get a copy of it

◼   ► and then you know sends it sends it to

◼   ► her to say you know found this why here

◼   ► the story sometime and as you said it's

◼   ► a really neat little framing device for

◼   ► the people who are in into comics and

◼   ► into the DC world and it does not

◼   ► distract the people who aren't sure

◼   ► what's going on I I was ok with the

◼   ► photograph and everything else about the

◼   ► sequence was like shut up and start my

◼   ► movie I don't I don't give it I don't

◼   ► give a flying something about any of

◼   ► this cake uh because yeah and flying

◼   ► dropkick yeah it was short enough for me

◼   ► it was short enough not said it was

◼   ► short it got it got out of the way I

◼   ► didn't I didn't need any of the

◼   ► narration you know that was extraneous I

◼   ► was okay with it I knew nothing

◼   ► you know of this universe going and so

◼   ► someone going into this this movie on

◼   ► this universe I was perfectly okay with

◼   ► the amount spent on the sort of the

◼   ► prologue and then the the origin story

◼   ► aspect of it I thought that was right

◼   ► nicely patient you know they they kind

◼   ► of had to do it because they've already

◼   ► set her in our present day so there had

◼   ► to be some kind of explanation and some

◼   ► kind of setup in there yeah I get it I

◼   ► get it I just don't think any of the

◼   ► other movies exist so one of the things

◼   ► I liked about how they did that with the

◼   ► with the case was a Wayne industries

◼   ► travel that's all yeah yeah great even

◼   ► if you don't know about that film um you

◼   ► still know like we've seen this other

◼   ► ones that Batman and then like you can

◼   ► kind of like you can kind of put

◼   ► together like oh that's right like she's

◼   ► not she doesn't run with the avengers

◼   ► she runs with like Batman in them so

◼   ► like I felt like it was a nice way to

◼   ► set it up because even people who don't

◼   ► necessarily know about the other movies

◼   ► would still be able to be like oh that's

◼   ► Batman and like know that I thought that

◼   ► that was really nice and I don't know

◼   ► about the rest of you the last trailer

◼   ► before our showing was Justice League so

◼   ► it so it was sort of a little bit of Yap

◼   ► teaser to that it was kind of funny

◼   ► because I felt like I was watching the

◼   ► trailer for the sequel before I've

◼   ► watched the movie that I'm there to see

◼   ► in the first place

◼   ► right and I and I again I much rather

◼   ► wanted to see the movie I was there to

◼   ► see but I was very curious you know what

◼   ► was in the case like what could Batman

◼   ► be sending her like I don't know to me

◼   ► it was it was sort of interesting to

◼   ► figure out like what that was going to

◼   ► be so I was I was interested in that

◼   ► first bit but when I first started

◼   ► hearing the narration I sort of thought

◼   ► like is this going to start like Lord of

◼   ► the Rings where we have to spend five

◼   ► minutes listening to a disembodied voice

◼   ► tell me what's what before we get in

◼   ► because like I don't know how much of

◼   ► this I need to know and then the armored

◼   ► truck rolled up and then I was sort of

◼   ► interested like what is Wayne industries

◼   ► doing you know and so for me it was a

◼   ► little bit different so I was at like my

◼   ► moment of dread was probably much

◼   ► shorter than shorter than your statement

◼   ► and I have the the thing with the

◼   ► narration was it's like okay well who

◼   ► this is one of the things I learned when

◼   ► I started writing one-person shows who

◼   ► is the person talking to and at the end

◼   ► we find out that none of that narration

◼   ► is in the email to Bruce so who is she

◼   ► talking to we don't that was just hurt I

◼   ► thought that was just sort of her inner

◼   ► monologue her her sort of I mean it

◼   ► could be it just didn't connect to

◼   ► anything I think you could do that

◼   ► without any narration whatsoever it

◼   ► would still work it would actually work

◼   ► better I think hmm maybe well let's

◼   ► let's jump into the to the mascara and

◼   ► her her life with the Amazons it starts

◼   ► off with an adorable adorable child oh

◼   ► yes my god is very low sotius little

◼   ► diana who really really wants to fight

◼   ► and as soon as she starts peeking over

◼   ► the wall and and sees her her aunt

◼   ► played by robin wright as a entire I did

◼   ► not recognize I'm still talking myself

◼   ► that I did not right and I recognized

◼   ► her right away and was just like I'm

◼   ► right cuz I didn't know she was going to

◼   ► be in this I was like she's in this and

◼   ► then not only was she in it but she was

◼   ► playing an older woman with you know by

◼   ► scars and wrinkles and you know like

◼   ► somewhat you know flabby arms a little

◼   ► bit edge not very not very but she

◼   ► looked like an older woman who was

◼   ► absolutely kicking asked just and no

◼   ► question all of it mmm-hmm all of it

◼   ► yeah yeah the casting of the Amazons in

◼   ► general there were star athletes hidden

◼   ► among the like there's a prize-winning

◼   ► boxer in there all of these women again

◼   ► female director directing women warriors

◼   ► not women just dressed up in cute

◼   ► leather armor and standing around

◼   ► imposing right and when I think of like

◼   ► all of the fighting that happens like

◼   ► one of the moments I think of as Robin

◼   ► Wright when she flips through the air

◼   ► and shoots the three arrows at once oh

◼   ► like that is so ha every time remember

◼   ► I've seen it three times and every time

◼   ► like Brett like it was breathtaking

◼   ► every time and that's why that's one of

◼   ► those super standout moments is cuz like

◼   ► even when like I know I I know

◼   ► what's coming and I know what's coming

◼   ► because now seeing it twice before still

◼   ► like huh every time when like launched

◼   ► up into the air and it's just amazing

◼   ► and watching that was I know it was a

◼   ► little bit 3d service but at the same

◼   ► time holy Wow it's just one of the like

◼   ► iconic when I think of like the the

◼   ► still frames from this movie that's one

◼   ► of the first ones that comes to mind I

◼   ► think one of the things that really

◼   ► struck me about this was sort of the

◼   ► diversity in the background right you

◼   ► know they really work should bring in

◼   ► various different types of women from

◼   ► all races and ethnicities and while I'll

◼   ► be the first to say I loved the Warriors

◼   ► to pieces they also show they also

◼   ► showed a fuller richer the mascara you

◼   ► know you had senators you had teachers

◼   ► you had academics you had this whole

◼   ► society that was there that women were

◼   ► active in all parts of it of course

◼   ► because there's only women but how often

◼   ► do you get to see that sort of ancient

◼   ► Greek style society where women are in

◼   ► all of those roles and you're not seeing

◼   ► you know old white men with big long

◼   ► beards taking on all of those positions

◼   ► so that to me was just amazing that they

◼   ► made it so rich and we took the time to

◼   ► fully develop this world that they were

◼   ► living in I was actually surprised at

◼   ► how much of the movie took place there I

◼   ► yes yeah I mean because they think it's

◼   ► not like I showed her entire youth and

◼   ► on all of her growing up but they gave

◼   ► you quite a grounding and who this

◼   ► person was from from a child who is you

◼   ► know really interested in fighting to a

◼   ► teenager to the woman that we eventually

◼   ► see absolutely kicking butt you know

◼   ► better than anybody else and you know I

◼   ► liked that they just sort of dribbled

◼   ► out hints about what her actual history

◼   ► was and we sort of you know for those of

◼   ► us who didn't already know discovered it

◼   ► along with her and I recognized that the

◼   ► comic books have had multiple different

◼   ► versions of her origin story depending

◼   ► on where you are in the comic book canon

◼   ► but I liked that the way that that it

◼   ► was sort of dribbled out before we even

◼   ► get the plane crash

◼   ► and and before things start start

◼   ► happening on the island it was it was a

◼   ► very smart way of starting a very

◼   ► meditative contemplative you kind of got

◼   ► into the life of the island which was a

◼   ► lovely way to establish everything and

◼   ► and I think this was a very good is this

◼   ► might be my favorite version of the

◼   ► origin it just kind of makes sense to me

◼   ► the way some of them did not yeah that's

◼   ► I'm very very relieved that they did not

◼   ► go the route of Diana entering this

◼   ► competition to see who would win the

◼   ► right to take Steve back and masking

◼   ► herself

◼   ► and because her mother forbade her to

◼   ► you know they went to it more directly

◼   ► you know her mother saying look you

◼   ► can't do this

◼   ► and Diana basically turning around and

◼   ► saying well yes I'm going to try so yeah

◼   ► I love how they handled the decision for

◼   ► her to go out and take take Steve Trevor

◼   ► back to the real world yeah she had to

◼   ► Shannon she had agency throughout the

◼   ► whole first part you know she was doing

◼   ► what she wanted to do which was nice

◼   ► she wasn't sort of pushed into it or

◼   ► like forced into it that was her choice

◼   ► and I loved how her mother and the

◼   ► leader of the of the the colony or

◼   ► whatever attended the was it called the

◼   ► island the the island of the Amazon the

◼   ► island Amazon's was was you know sad and

◼   ► that she was going but knew that she

◼   ► couldn't stop her I really like that

◼   ► aspect of it

◼   ► mm-hmm yeah and I think that it was

◼   ► important to establish the place that

◼   ► she came from and the person that she

◼   ► was before leaving because so much of

◼   ► the rest of the movie is about how she

◼   ► deals with the world outside of her

◼   ► Island and if you didn't have a good

◼   ► grounding in that it wouldn't it

◼   ► wouldn't play out quite as well so the

◼   ► moment that you see this airplane fly

◼   ► through and crash I mean that's kind of

◼   ► a an almost jarring moment because I had

◼   ► sort of been lulled into a sense of this

◼   ► place so well that I was like huh

◼   ► yeah this is this is nice I I like the

◼   ► blue skies and the and then the first

◼   ► time they cut to the outside and you see

◼   ► like with the boats out there and I was

◼   ► just it was incredibly jarring

◼   ► we charring which I guess it was for her

◼   ► to because she never she never seen a

◼   ► man before yeah one thing I did like

◼   ► about how they established the mascara

◼   ► was that they leaned very very subtly

◼   ► into sort of the queer themes of this

◼   ► whole island ruck has been explicit in

◼   ► his run that the mascara was going to be

◼   ► a place without heteronormativity so

◼   ► marriage wouldn't be called gay marriage

◼   ► on an island full of women it's just

◼   ► going to be marriage there was there was

◼   ► one moment when Robin Wright is killed

◼   ► where you have her mother and Diana

◼   ► coming but there's also another random

◼   ► unnamed woman who comes up and my first

◼   ► thought when I saw that was wife that's

◼   ► definitely got to be her wife mm-hmm and

◼   ► uh there was also that really just

◼   ► everything about the boat scene when

◼   ► Diana and Steve was yeah excellent the

◼   ► the whole line of men are necessary for

◼   ► procreation but unnecessary for pleasure

◼   ► that was the line where my audience

◼   ► completely lost their like all the girls

◼   ► were yelling one girl was like yeah girl

◼   ► our theatre did the same thing I've got

◼   ► a grin as about to split my face and

◼   ► chips just sort of looking down I just

◼   ► laughed yeah that's about right

◼   ► I think I'm funny but still I love the

◼   ► one review that was like confusingly she

◼   ► says this it's like without even looking

◼   ► I'm like oh that review was written by a

◼   ► man yeah you like by the Hat I do ever

◼   ► reviewed it for the Guardian jeepers

◼   ► oh yeah saw that go by and it was really

◼   ► awful one of the thing that might be my

◼   ► favorite images cuz it made me laugh the

◼   ► most this isn't true but it was one of

◼   ► the ones that mention something that we

◼   ► mentioned earlier is a good thing which

◼   ► was they didn't shoot her all sexy like

◼   ► at any point and not one of the like

◼   ► things against it in this review which

◼   ► should tell all you need to know about

◼   ► the survey

◼   ► her for drools or something I don't

◼   ► remember exactly what the phrase was but

◼   ► hey it was grammatically awful B it was

◼   ► an awful image to try to put in

◼   ► someone's head and see this movie didn't

◼   ► need that unless you're going to start

◼   ► doing that to Thor so yeah yeah I think

◼   ► I think that review like referred to

◼   ► like it ignored the SNM origins of the

◼   ► comic or something bla bla bla like so

◼   ► have most following versions of the

◼   ► comment exactly and I gotta say there is

◼   ► no way to shoot gal gadot poorly so I

◼   ► mean what is his problem and do you want

◼   ► proof of that she was five months

◼   ► pregnant when they did some of the

◼   ► reshoots and they green-screen to her

◼   ► Tommy so that they could get the the

◼   ► shots in so yeah think about that for a

◼   ► minute some of what she was doing there

◼   ► was more than halfway through a

◼   ► pregnancy and she still yeah Wow Wow

◼   ► well and and some of it was her fight

◼   ► and double she's not actually the

◼   ► greatest stage combat person but they

◼   ► did a very good job of masking that I

◼   ► believed it yeah yeah yeah it was

◼   ► totally believable yeah I liked Alec

◼   ► Guinness as obi-wan to and he wasn't the

◼   ► best sword fighter he was great in this

◼   ► before we leave the mascara which we

◼   ► probably should before too long or this

◼   ► podcast is going to be as long as the

◼   ► movie and we don't want that we can't go

◼   ► back yeah we we have to talk about the

◼   ► the purple hot tub scene we've mentioned

◼   ► to watch but I please let's talk about

◼   ► that scene I think I think it is

◼   ► important that you know we we mentioned

◼   ► that we we haven't we didn't have shots

◼   ► of gal gadot that were all like you know

◼   ► cheesecake II and and we didn't we

◼   ► really didn't have terribly cheese or

◼   ► beef cakey I guess shots of Chris Pine

◼   ► either but he was the one that was sort

◼   ► of the most objectified spell oh yeah

◼   ► it's certainly the most exposed how did

◼   ► you how did your theaters react to that

◼   ► I'm curious Oh ours how old are you

◼   ► Larry Asst yes and lots of giggles um

◼   ► and especially when because because it's

◼   ► framed

◼   ► very carefully in the beginning and then

◼   ► when it goes to the full shot and you

◼   ► could hear kind of gasps in the back of

◼   ► the room going oh my god they did the

◼   ► full shot yeah and and but you know and

◼   ► again played it beautifully under played

◼   ► you know it was just it was exactly the

◼   ► right tone for it it was there were very

◼   ► appreciative women and if you should

◼   ► have met in my audience had the sale

◼   ► yeah yep and even the you know that the

◼   ► careful framing of her looking down and

◼   ► you can't see what she's looking at and

◼   ► saying what's that and of course we you

◼   ► know mentioned the watch and and it's oh

◼   ► whoa it's a it's a watch and and that's

◼   ► that is sort of the first moment that

◼   ► you get a little bit of of the adorable

◼   ► sort of naivete I guess that's not

◼   ► really the word that I want innocent yes

◼   ► search for innocence about some of the

◼   ► things that happen off of off of her

◼   ► Island and you know you let this little

◼   ► little thing tell you what to do and

◼   ► when to do it and that was it was which

◼   ► has another double meaning to you let

◼   ► that little thing tell you what to do

◼   ► yeah and I gotta say I am not at all

◼   ► inclined to that way and even I kind of

◼   ► went wow he's pretty he is in fact above

◼   ► average what's the great me share that

◼   ► mm-hmm

◼   ► that got a great got a great laugh in

◼   ► our in our theater as well that day yep

◼   ► so of course she decides for herself

◼   ► that the you know mom you can't tell me

◼   ► what I do I do what I want I'm gonna go

◼   ► and and decides to leave which and I I I

◼   ► didn't know if she was just going to

◼   ► sneak off and I was really glad that she

◼   ► didn't because she got the goodbye scene

◼   ► with you know all these people that she

◼   ► is leaving behind forever and ever

◼   ► yeah I actually have a question for you

◼   ► guys about that because this is the

◼   ► thing that I've wondered about and I'm

◼   ► sort of taking this informal poll so mom

◼   ► says uh you know that if you leave you

◼   ► may never return now does she mean you

◼   ► can't or does she mean it's possible you

◼   ► won't because I couldn't really tell if

◼   ► what she meant was your

◼   ► check it out is one way or if she meant

◼   ► it's possible that once you leave you

◼   ► know you you may never be able to find

◼   ► your way back here and I couldn't really

◼   ► tell what she meant I took it as

◼   ► possible yes I took it as possible yeah

◼   ► that you might not come back

◼   ► yeah and I thought so too because I

◼   ► thought the I thought it was carefully

◼   ► written to sort of leave that door open

◼   ► and certainly the way the line was

◼   ► delivered I thought I thought that there

◼   ► was a bit of an emphasis on May so I

◼   ► didn't think that meant that the door

◼   ► was closed which makes me happy because

◼   ► I would I mean honestly I would be happy

◼   ► with an entire movie

◼   ► I'm Thomas Kira I would have a I would

◼   ► totally have a rogue one or yeah road

◼   ► one style movie of of just stuff that

◼   ► happens on the mascara like the the war

◼   ► we heard about with the book mm-hmm yeah

◼   ► you know like the book was a really nice

◼   ► sequence which i think is probably not

◼   ► going to get the attention it deserves

◼   ► instantly yeah I think she probably

◼   ► realized it at some point while Diana

◼   ► was out in the real world so to speak

◼   ► she would discover her true identity and

◼   ► her true destiny and you know as a god

◼   ► who would want to come back to you know

◼   ► the cocoon again so to speak I think

◼   ► there'd be a much greater world for her

◼   ► out there and I loved her question who

◼   ► would I be if I stayed right yes and it

◼   ► might be metaphorical too you know right

◼   ► the fact that she is a God you you may

◼   ► never come back as and you may never

◼   ► come back to this philosophy this world

◼   ► as a metaphysical space its existence

◼   ► exactly we can't go home again and and I

◼   ► can't I can't imagine that they would

◼   ► totally close the door or never

◼   ► returning there as a plot device but it

◼   ► it works either way it works if they

◼   ► want to go back it works if they never

◼   ► go back I mean it did seem kind of I was

◼   ► interested that it that everybody from

◼   ► the Army was just or the Navy I guess

◼   ► was was able to just plow right in there

◼   ► I assume that they were protected by

◼   ► something but I guess they're just

◼   ► disguised is that the case because who

◼   ► else it's that that sort of a cloaking

◼   ► device or you know the fog right yeah so

◼   ► it seems like if she could find her way

◼   ► back to that same location she might be

◼   ► able to just warn her back in but but as

◼   ► you said Steven you know she probably

◼   ► won't won't be the same person

◼   ► regardless you know it's like when you

◼   ► go home from college for the first time

◼   ► yours

◼   ► not the same person anymore right

◼   ► mm-hmm-hmm so yes then we get the lovely

◼   ► lovely boat scene with the two of them

◼   ► and yes the whole and that was beautiful

◼   ► I mean that was he sleep next to me that

◼   ► was that was like straight out of a

◼   ► preston sturges film right just this

◼   ► very just crackling comic dialogue but

◼   ► also human and and just filled with

◼   ► character and and I mean even his sort

◼   ► of fumbling and going well well well I'm

◼   ► above average right you know just sort

◼   ► of like trying trying not to be the

◼   ► matinee idol right nice yep and I knew I

◼   ► knew that Chris Pine could do comedy

◼   ► because he he is funny in in a lot of

◼   ► places in the Star Trek films but this

◼   ► was a different kind of comedy which I

◼   ► really appreciated

◼   ► I will admit that I I had trouble

◼   ► differentiating Steve here from from

◼   ► Kirk because that's the only thing I'd

◼   ► ever seen him as so I really did keep

◼   ► seeing him as Kirk most of the way

◼   ► through the movie but that doesn't mean

◼   ► I enjoyed his performance any less he

◼   ► was still he was really good and no he

◼   ► wasn't playing exactly the same

◼   ► character it was just in my mind but it

◼   ► was moments like yeah that helped yeah

◼   ► and I had the opposite effect I kept

◼   ► marveling about you know that you know

◼   ► this is not Kirk like this is heat Steve

◼   ► Trevor he's got this totally new

◼   ► character going and I love it this this

◼   ► is I always think of this when I see

◼   ► things like this my mother used to say

◼   ► this about some actors she and she

◼   ► thought that about George Clooney she

◼   ► would totally have thought this about

◼   ► Chris Pine that they are just there's a

◼   ► performance that where they become a a

◼   ► movie star and this might be it it's

◼   ► it's that same kind of you know it's a

◼   ► very casual very you know totally at

◼   ► ease Clooney has the same kind of

◼   ► comfort in these kind of roles yeah it's

◼   ► it's it's it shows that you know if

◼   ► they're any guys watching this movie

◼   ► that you don't need to do what many

◼   ► generations of men have done well

◼   ► actually do you do need to do what many

◼   ► generations of men

◼   ► told women over the decades and

◼   ► millennia is to know your place I there

◼   ► is a place for men and you know he's not

◼   ► subservient he's not as you said earlier

◼   ► ELISA he's not weak he is strong at his

◼   ► role but he knows where he isn't and

◼   ► that's where Diana comes in um for me I

◼   ► think I mean I I love I love the movie

◼   ► and everything else but I think honestly

◼   ► the the role of Steve Trevor and

◼   ► especially the way that Chris Pine plays

◼   ► it kind of reminds me of Han Solo in the

◼   ► first Star Wars film and that there's a

◼   ► lot of mystic mystic mumbo jumbo going

◼   ► on and like you know Amazon I mean Korea

◼   ► is a super serious place where not the

◼   ► humor goes down there's a lot of I must

◼   ► find Ares in that sort of thing and he

◼   ► sort of levels it he sort of brings it

◼   ► down to sort of like just a just a wry

◼   ► amount of cynicism just to keep everyone

◼   ► just sort of grounded a little bit and

◼   ► keep it real a little bit and that's

◼   ► that was successful to the movie if they

◼   ► you know it prevented it from becoming

◼   ► too much of a DC Philip let's put it

◼   ► that way yeah I think when I'm cleaning

◼   ► it I think one of the things I really

◼   ► loved about that scene is that Diana is

◼   ► uh earnest and not hung up on social

◼   ► convention the way Steve Trevor is but

◼   ► she's not innocent either you know

◼   ► they're having all these conversations

◼   ► and she you know never seen a man before

◼   ► but she has read plenty she understands

◼   ► what goes on sometimes between men and

◼   ► women she just doesn't have the hang-up

◼   ► about sleeping alongside men right she

◼   ► knows what she does and does not want to

◼   ► do she's perfectly happy either way but

◼   ► practically speaking it's better for

◼   ► both of them to sleep up on the front of

◼   ► the boat where they can stretch out and

◼   ► I thought she played that whole

◼   ► fish-out-of-water thing with so much

◼   ► earnestness that it never felt like we

◼   ► were taking Diana down a peg by putting

◼   ► her in a new environment she was ready

◼   ► to learn she was ready to be out there

◼   ► but some things about what women are

◼   ► expected to do in the early 20th century

◼   ► are just incredibly silly

◼   ► and I like that they move the movie try

◼   ► cuz apparently that the comics starting

◼   ► World War two I like it yes World War

◼   ► one because there's yes you know what we

◼   ► don't even have the vote but by World

◼   ► War one and so there's on there's even

◼   ► more restrictions on women in that time

◼   ► period to post them out of their dress

◼   ► their duty in society that sort of thing

◼   ► so there's even more barriers to sort of

◼   ► smash down I think if if you know that's

◼   ► the the you know always trying to sort

◼   ► of like stifle the reveal of her costume

◼   ► until until the grand moment in no-man's

◼   ► land it feels more natural here because

◼   ► all your barely dress - you know

◼   ► nineteen seventeen or eighteen of not

◼   ► dress yeah yeah yeah what's gonna be

◼   ► like a USO two or something if she was

◼   ► wearing that outfit in World War two so

◼   ► there would be as as out of place if you

◼   ► know what I mean right yes right yeah

◼   ► that was a good move I think the World

◼   ► War one move was brilliant it would it's

◼   ► kind of funny because the very first

◼   ► trailer I saw I was like wait a minute

◼   ► that's World War one isn't it and then I

◼   ► second-guess myself going like no no she

◼   ► started in World War two and then yes

◼   ► they did choose World War one number one

◼   ► distances itself from Captain America a

◼   ► bit which I think was a good idea and

◼   ► number two as you all said you know the

◼   ► the division between gender roles much

◼   ► stronger and also the fact that World

◼   ► War one was the first global modern

◼   ► conflict killing people by the millions

◼   ► that ties in with uh with the mythos

◼   ► that they used of Ares causing all of

◼   ► these problems and Wonder Woman having

◼   ► to go try to kill Ares I think you know

◼   ► World War two yes horrible and massive

◼   ► in its own way but that was the second

◼   ► time around and people had at least a

◼   ► grasp of of death on this scale by then

◼   ► what I think World War one fit in with

◼   ► the themes better that they created with

◼   ► the Wonder Woman origin story with her

◼   ► conflict with Ares but also with with

◼   ► the whole thing of you know Ares idea

◼   ► that I don't actually do this it's them

◼   ► they do this and so it doesn't matter if

◼   ► you kill me because they'll keep doing

◼   ► this so that kind of

◼   ► works to go all right you know not to

◼   ► get ahead of ourselves plot wise here

◼   ► but at the end when yes we've stopped it

◼   ► in World War one is over and we don't

◼   ► even call it World War one it's the

◼   ► great war to end all wars and of course

◼   ► it doesn't and we know that and the

◼   ► other the other thing I think which was

◼   ► a very smart decision on their part was

◼   ► at the end when Ares well see again I'm

◼   ► getting hit myself Franco but at the

◼   ► very end when Ares has been dispatched

◼   ► and everyone is sort of released from

◼   ► that spell for a little bit and you see

◼   ► the the Americans and the German

◼   ► soldiers kind of relieved and everything

◼   ► it's a little easier to watch German

◼   ► soldiers like that when they're not

◼   ► wearing swastikas that's what I was

◼   ► thinking was moving to World War one

◼   ► meant no swastika oh yeah yeah yeah and

◼   ► teenagers boys yeah and young teenage

◼   ► boys because that World War one was that

◼   ► the first one to take an entire

◼   ► generation of men and throw them into

◼   ► this conflict and one thing that I liked

◼   ► as as as a Canadian is that oftentimes

◼   ► Hollywood will turn World War 2 into an

◼   ► American war true whereas water 1

◼   ► America ride very late

◼   ► this is unapologetically set in Belgium

◼   ► you know it's a Belgian village it gets

◼   ► destroyed there are Germans uh all about

◼   ► Europe exactly it's all about Europe and

◼   ► I thought it was a from an American

◼   ► movie that was that was somewhat bold to

◼   ► sort of like take that decision to move

◼   ► it away from the origins of the comic

◼   ► and place it in a tear in an era that

◼   ► most Americans are a lot less familiar

◼   ► with Kelly what were you going to say

◼   ► yeah the thing I liked about also doing

◼   ► that was I feel like if they had tried

◼   ► to do this with World War two Steve

◼   ► comes out of World War two and tries to

◼   ► sort of sell them on helping him stop

◼   ► the war that it's going to be a harder

◼   ► sell because like you guys have done

◼   ► this once already and I felt like that

◼   ► moment when he said you know millions of

◼   ► people women and children slaughtered

◼   ► weapons like nothing you have ever seen

◼   ► it's the end of the world

◼   ► that only could have been effective in

◼   ► World War one because you know by the

◼   ► time you get to World War two everything

◼   ► has to have an asterisk

◼   ► I know we said this once before but now

◼   ► we mean it you know I know we tried to

◼   ► tell you it was the war to end all wars

◼   ► but here we are again and so I really

◼   ► felt like that was one of the smart

◼   ► things to do with it and then also I

◼   ► felt like the current political climate

◼   ► and I don't know how much this entered

◼   ► into it but you know now with less

◼   ► swastikas was a super smart move on

◼   ► their part because it doesn't derail the

◼   ► discussion of the film right into

◼   ► something political whether you're

◼   ► talking about politics that are politics

◼   ► now and I thought that that was also a

◼   ► really smart way to just sidestep all of

◼   ► that entirely and I really liked how

◼   ► they did that and I liked that it wasn't

◼   ► here and I liked that it wasn't an

◼   ► American war and Americans charging in

◼   ► to save the day and like when you look

◼   ► at who charges in you know the little

◼   ► fellowship that gets together to go off

◼   ► and stop the war is a woman who is

◼   ► basically not from Earth you know I mean

◼   ► only technically in that she's made of

◼   ► clay um you know so we've got her we

◼   ► have an American we have a Scotsman and

◼   ► we have a Native American who has I

◼   ► think one of the a very nice moment with

◼   ► Diana in his own right when they have

◼   ► the discussion at the campfire that we

◼   ► could talk about right and I and Sammy

◼   ► who was from I don't know where but I

◼   ► think his Egyptian Turkey I was from

◼   ► Turkey yeah okay oh well thanks oh and

◼   ► it was kind of neat that that little

◼   ► band because you know first I'm

◼   ► wondering what I could do do we need

◼   ► this we had you know Captain America had

◼   ► his ragtag group of folks do we need

◼   ► this and then I went looking online

◼   ► that's actually a callback to a DC comic

◼   ► property the Black Hawk squadron and

◼   ► world war two so it's like it's an

◼   ► easter egg I'll allow it and it's a

◼   ► really good Easter Egg yeah and I really

◼   ► enjoyed watching the chemistry between

◼   ► all of them like again Jay casting like

◼   ► this was a really fun group of people I

◼   ► could totally imagine them after

◼   ► spending all day shooting the scene

◼   ► where they celebrate with beers that

◼   ► they all go out and celebrate with beers

◼   ► like I could envision

◼   ► that one of my favorite moments is when

◼   ► when they're talking they're sort of

◼   ► getting to know one another in samia's

◼   ► you know I always wanted to be an actor

◼   ► but I am the wrong the wrong race I'm

◼   ► the wrong person color yeah we're on

◼   ► color and I immediately I wanted to see

◼   ► a movie with the rest of them again I

◼   ► just want to see them doing stuff

◼   ► because they all of them were great

◼   ► characters and he was delightful and

◼   ► that is such a heartbreaking line and it

◼   ► is a very meta line yes in its I think I

◼   ► think that that that group and Diana's

◼   ► place in it is really important to to

◼   ► show us how she is discovering the world

◼   ► outside and and you know later on when

◼   ► she gets to the point where she's having

◼   ► her conversation slash showdown with

◼   ► Ares the the feelings that she's

◼   ► developed for these people in the way

◼   ► that she has come to know them it's a

◼   ► big part of how and why she's able to

◼   ► make the decision she does toward the

◼   ► end so yeah the the travel along with

◼   ► with these folks is is important in that

◼   ► those relationships deepen as she goes

◼   ► but I think it's I think the film does a

◼   ► nice job of showing the relationships

◼   ► they're sort of blooming I mean they

◼   ► already have their little their little

◼   ► team and she's getting us there for the

◼   ► fresh part but when you see them

◼   ► reacting to her jumping up and you know

◼   ► running across no-man's land which was

◼   ► an amazing amazing yes it's it was that

◼   ► was just such a cool thing because you

◼   ► get to see them sort of discovering what

◼   ► she really is and each person's reaction

◼   ► to that and then the fact that you know

◼   ► it's a it's a war movie trope that

◼   ► battle brings people together so yes

◼   ► though when they're having the beers

◼   ► afterwards and they're celebrating it it

◼   ► feels earned and it feels like they have

◼   ► taken a step on there in their

◼   ► relationship it's great and one of the

◼   ► things I loved about them was they

◼   ► didn't care like that that she was a

◼   ► girl they didn't like and well I won't

◼   ► say they didn't care but it didn't seem

◼   ► to matter to them that she was that they

◼   ► were gonna drop her off at the war that

◼   ► she was going to go off and do some sort

◼   ► of fighting or something like they just

◼   ► sort of took her at face value and then

◼   ► when that value changed like

◼   ► they didn't and I thought that that was

◼   ► really great and wasn't like they sort

◼   ► of treated her with kid gloves or

◼   ► anything yeah you know like before they

◼   ► date yet it

◼   ► they internalized she can do that Wow

◼   ► okay let's use this one she made small

◼   ► crab for that guy in the bar yeah they

◼   ► realized she can handle it but then even

◼   ► after that one of the small things I

◼   ► noticed in the movie is when they're

◼   ► headed to the boat to go meet chief as

◼   ► they're walking and they're having the

◼   ► conversation about a liar a murderer a

◼   ► smuggler Charlie keeps sticking his arm

◼   ► out to her side to keep people from

◼   ► bumping into her mm-hmm yeah and I

◼   ► thought that was just a really kind

◼   ► thing and that seemed like like they

◼   ► were very friendly even then you know

◼   ► that he was like you you know that he

◼   ► had a certain amount of respect for her

◼   ► you know like as a woman like he would

◼   ► have opened the door for her you know or

◼   ► whatever I felt like they they sort of

◼   ► were we're still kind of formal and he

◼   ► was kind of you know trying to make sure

◼   ► that she wasn't getting bumped into by

◼   ► all these people and I thought that was

◼   ► a really a very small moment that was

◼   ► very nice that I really enjoyed and one

◼   ► I loved when they're in the town once

◼   ► they've saved the town and they're

◼   ► celebrating and we mean it's not like we

◼   ► take time to get to know anybody there

◼   ► but we get to know the town we get to

◼   ► know the the atmosphere of it and the

◼   ► feeling of it and that comes back in

◼   ► devastating manner later in the movie

◼   ► yes oh my god

◼   ► oh that comes again to the feeling of

◼   ► there are consequences to things yes

◼   ► they really didn't shy away from making

◼   ► us fall in love with this little town

◼   ► where they found a moment of peace in

◼   ► this war and this was Diana's big first

◼   ► triumph against this war of saving these

◼   ► people saving this town and that all got

◼   ► taken away so it's a very good moment of

◼   ► a human tragedy in the loss of the

◼   ► village and the personal tragedy for

◼   ► Diana to lose all of these people that

◼   ► she had just saved you know I thought

◼   ► that was so well done I can't believe

◼   ► they went there I can't believe they

◼   ► they really committed to that and didn't

◼   ► back off from it and I think it was also

◼   ► a kind of twofold important scene for

◼   ► developing the

◼   ► relationship between Diana and Steve

◼   ► because during the battle you actually

◼   ► have him running out with his with his

◼   ► buddies and you know getting that big

◼   ► piece of metal and doing the shield

◼   ► thing so it showed us he seen them do it

◼   ► before I love that bit too he was that

◼   ► he attention to to the battle enough and

◼   ► recognized that this is this is a thing

◼   ► that she is capable of this is the thing

◼   ► that I am not capable of I am literally

◼   ► going to bend down and and kneel so that

◼   ► she can do this thing that that is

◼   ► amazing and then I catch you steps on my

◼   ► back yep yes girls continue kicking ass

◼   ► right there and the beauty of it is it's

◼   ► both you know saying here I can be

◼   ► subservient and you know you can take

◼   ► the primary role and it's also saying

◼   ► I'm a really smart tactical yeppers

◼   ► right to do this as a team player and

◼   ► that's the thing you know yes she's

◼   ► taking the brunt of it but they are

◼   ► functioning as a team one of the things

◼   ► I also liked about that was the way they

◼   ► portrayed the Scottish sharpshooters

◼   ► PTSD riot in that everyone was super

◼   ► understanding and respectful of what it

◼   ► was that he was going through because

◼   ► that was also a major theme to come out

◼   ► of world war one is that you have all of

◼   ► these young men coming back with this

◼   ► incredible trauma and they don't really

◼   ► know how to cope with that how to deal

◼   ► with that how to diagnose or treat it

◼   ► and a lot of survivors with PTSD and

◼   ► other forms of trauma were not treated

◼   ► very well

◼   ► very well

◼   ► all right as a result of it so it was

◼   ► kind of nice to see this movie address

◼   ► it in a way that this group of people is

◼   ► going to understand the trauma that he

◼   ► is going through and be respectful of

◼   ► him and find other ways to work around

◼   ► it I felt like that was another thing

◼   ► that um sort of gave Diana evidence that

◼   ► that man is more than what Ares is is

◼   ► chalking up to them and I read that was

◼   ► one of the things I really enjoyed was

◼   ► that moment where she looked over and

◼   ► all three of them are like I'm out and

◼   ► they just held hands and put their heads

◼   ► together and waited for the end and I

◼   ► was heartbroken for them and yes I felt

◼   ► like them taking care of Charlie like he

◼   ► just that he is who he is and and you

◼   ► know he doesn't mean anything by it and

◼   ► they were very understanding of him and

◼   ► like chief still has a good relationship

◼   ► with Steve you who took this from you

◼   ► his people and you know and Sammy's

◼   ► declaration of I'm just the wrong color

◼   ► like all of them it was exactly what

◼   ► Sammy said everyone's fighting their own

◼   ► battles just as you're fighting yours

◼   ► and I really liked that they all had

◼   ► this this love and affection for each

◼   ► other genuinely that Diana was getting

◼   ► and so the demonstration you know the

◼   ► love that she believes in is not just

◼   ► I'm in love with Steve it was they love

◼   ► each other and they care about each

◼   ► other because they'd had this moment in

◼   ► the village with all these other people

◼   ► you know in that moment when like chief

◼   ► is refusing payment and you know Sammy's

◼   ► bringing beers around to everybody and

◼   ► like all of those little things that

◼   ► happened in the village where we really

◼   ► get those moments that was really

◼   ► fundamentally kind and it was one of the

◼   ► parts of people that I like to think

◼   ► about and Charlie was singing he hasn't

◼   ► sung in years yeah it was it was it was

◼   ► kind of a breakthrough for for a lot of

◼   ► them in many ways and I had to say that

◼   ► I found the the sequence with Diana and

◼   ► Steve dancing at the end and then you

◼   ► know going up and getting on it on much

◼   ► more sweetly sincere than a lot of

◼   ► similar romantic scene

◼   ► in other movies whether they be

◼   ► superhero movies or not because yeah

◼   ► this is right this is a film where

◼   ► sincerity and earnestness are not

◼   ► treated as a syrupy they are just right

◼   ► for character and they are a part of my

◼   ► world and and they're surrounded by all

◼   ► of these you know this darkness and

◼   ► these battles that like we keep saying

◼   ► have actual consequences it feels like

◼   ► like amidst all of that it's a much more

◼   ► realistic feeling relationship right

◼   ► it's going under it's under played it's

◼   ► realistic it's human and I loved that

◼   ► you know

◼   ► it starts off where it's like well

◼   ► you're you're standing awfully close

◼   ► because evil yeah that's going to do

◼   ► this yeah that's wrong and in most

◼   ► movies and TV these days it would

◼   ► continue being witty and snappy and

◼   ► funny and it just gets very quiet as

◼   ► they both realize oh oh you are standing

◼   ► a little close and then we go to another

◼   ► place where they're going to stand a lot

◼   ► closer and there's no there's no

◼   ► smirking about it there's no hey look at

◼   ► me I'm above average right it's just

◼   ► this is the next step that we're taking

◼   ► and that's that right and and then it

◼   ► fades out to the next scene

◼   ► it doesn't dwell on that but what I love

◼   ► is that you know probably a typically a

◼   ► male directed film would probably have

◼   ► Steve Trevor go into that room close the

◼   ► door

◼   ► crisp I've ever in this movie hesitates

◼   ► wonders where this is going is this is

◼   ► this what I think it is okay I guess it

◼   ► is now I close the door he you know he

◼   ► didn't assume he didn't assume that he

◼   ► was going to get some there he you know

◼   ► it was what Diana wanted and though

◼   ► that's when he closed the door that's

◼   ► what I really loved about that it was a

◼   ► beautiful moment yeah and it wasn't a

◼   ► prize you know Diana wasn't a prize that

◼   ► Steve had won and she was active had

◼   ► agency in that very much you know a

◼   ► driving participant in all of that

◼   ► happening which is just so so rare to

◼   ► see in any movie not just in the

◼   ► superhero genre that that was that

◼   ► absolutely made that scene for me mm-hmm

◼   ► okay well I want to we need to keep

◼   ► things really here so I want to take a

◼   ► sort of

◼   ► sharp left turn and actually talk about

◼   ► the the the villains in this this and

◼   ► I'm not talking about areas yet who

◼   ► actually did anybody else figure out who

◼   ► Aires was like and his first appearance

◼   ► on screen okay you know he had an

◼   ► inkling and then I forgot that I'd had

◼   ► that inkling until the reveal I see

◼   ► first basically you have David Thewlis

◼   ► in a movie so he's going to be a bad guy

◼   ► and because not always a bad guy well my

◼   ► name is Luton I know it's my problem I'm

◼   ► like reefer yeah whooping can't be the

◼   ► bad guy thing see I've been watching

◼   ► Fargo so I knew he was going to play uh

◼   ► and but but it was literally Chekhov's

◼   ► Aires they kept harping on it and

◼   ► harping on it and harping on it and with

◼   ► all of that you kind of go yes we're

◼   ► gonna find out that it's not really a

◼   ► big deal because we know that the second

◼   ► world war comes along but we're gonna

◼   ► run into him and it's probably gonna be

◼   ► David Thewlis I didn't mean to go Casey

◼   ► Kasem there but that's how I should be

◼   ► by surprise maybe I was clueless as to

◼   ► how superhero movies work like this but

◼   ► I I just thought he was a kindly I

◼   ► thought he was gonna like the Ray fine

◼   ► it's kind of like my work you in the

◼   ► body yeah and then like gives them the

◼   ► money and like yeah she can run it from

◼   ► my office and I've said I've said this

◼   ► before

◼   ► it's totally from being a writer I I

◼   ► think about plot things and I think

◼   ► about it's it's when a movie can

◼   ► surprise me and still work in context of

◼   ► the movie that is a fantastic thing and

◼   ► it happens to me very rarely I loved

◼   ► this anyway but yeah I knew instantly as

◼   ► soon as he walks is like up there is

◼   ► well it's because it's got any surprises

◼   ► right for seeing it again is now that

◼   ► you know when you go back and you watch

◼   ► then all of it makes perfect sense when

◼   ► you go in knowing who were after yeah

◼   ► because of course he's gonna send them

◼   ► to mess it up because he thinks they're

◼   ► gonna mess it up in the wars gonna get

◼   ► to continue and then he and he totally

◼   ► is playing them from the moment they

◼   ► show up and when you start there then

◼   ► you know when you know going in that

◼   ► Lupin is the bad guy uh-un

◼   ► up you know when he for 21st walks into

◼   ► that war room where he's trying to talk

◼   ► about the Armistice and and he's so

◼   ► ineffectual at it right yeah it's

◼   ► getting interrupted and talked over and

◼   ► huh you know it's like no he's he's

◼   ► playing something but at first like I

◼   ► didn't at first I didn't see it that way

◼   ► at all and then when I watched it the

◼   ► second time I could see that um it

◼   ► wasn't surprised at the lady in the war

◼   ► room it was surprised that she's off the

◼   ► island now right no it's an interesting

◼   ► turn of events

◼   ► I assume she's here for me and I felt

◼   ► like that was a big moment for him which

◼   ► is you know the first time we see him

◼   ► because like that I feel like that's

◼   ► what's driving the rest of his actions

◼   ► through the movie is that he recognizes

◼   ► Diana and when you go in knowing that's

◼   ► who that's what's gonna happen

◼   ► it's a little bit different when you

◼   ► watch him because I was like okay I'm

◼   ► gonna watch him this time now that I

◼   ► know that he's the bad guy because you

◼   ► see the weird stuff happened with

◼   ► Ludendorff and all of the things that

◼   ► that he's up to and then he starts um

◼   ► you know huffing the little perfume

◼   ► samples and like his face starts to

◼   ► light up and you know he turns into like

◼   ► superpowers like I sort of like it was

◼   ► to me the first time through it was very

◼   ► obvious oh well this is just him

◼   ► channeling his inner God you know and so

◼   ► this it's just peaking out you know in

◼   ► the in the light in his face and so you

◼   ► know so then I was sort of confused when

◼   ► she runs the sword through him and the

◼   ► roof and pins in there and like nothing

◼   ► changes I felt like Diana at that point

◼   ► like nothing changed I don't understand

◼   ► what's going on here and so when you go

◼   ► in and you know that he's a bad guy and

◼   ► you watch him you can see him do that

◼   ► whole like wait no stop don't you know

◼   ► like like yeah half-heartedly trying it

◼   ► and then playing everybody to his

◼   ► advantage I thought we were leading up

◼   ► to a bait-and-switch that dr. Maru was

◼   ► going to be Ares like right up until the

◼   ► point yeah that David Thewlis showed up

◼   ► in that Tower

◼   ► I was thinking see okay here's the bait

◼   ► and switch we're going to get

◼   ► dr. maura now and she's gonna have been

◼   ► Aries all along like nipple aiding him

◼   ► with the perfumed samplers he was

◼   ► huffing then I was like oh my god loop

◼   ► is the bad guy yeah I thought it was

◼   ► like how was it not him well obviously

◼   ► it's doctor poison like that was totally

◼   ► where I was right first him through yeah

◼   ► yes he I was going it's going to be the

◼   ► least likely person and you know and

◼   ► that's the twist it's got to be a

◼   ► surprise it's not a surprise if it's one

◼   ► of the two of them and but also when you

◼   ► go back and watch it now it works

◼   ► beautifully because either they're gonna

◼   ► screw it up or she's going to be seduced

◼   ► to his side cuz that's part of what he's

◼   ► after at the end and either way he comes

◼   ► out ahead exactly yep and it's

◼   ► beautifully constructed that way and

◼   ► it's really beautifully constructed too

◼   ► because his argument Ares argument that

◼   ► I don't make them do this this is just

◼   ► them I've you know I've given them some

◼   ► ideas but they're the ones that choose

◼   ► to carry them out that is absolutely the

◼   ► case with Ludendorff and and dr. poison

◼   ► because you know they they are the ones

◼   ► who did absolutely just completely

◼   ► killed that village that she that she

◼   ► fell in love in and with and it was it

◼   ► was it was he was human beings all along

◼   ► that were doing this yes killed but

◼   ► settled their own um their own

◼   ► commanders that were getting ready to

◼   ► sign the armistice it's like oh we're

◼   ► going to take care of this yeah and like

◼   ► like the first time I think we see

◼   ► Ludendorff he says you know I haven't

◼   ► eaten I haven't slept like what's your

◼   ► deal maybe we need to remind everybody

◼   ► that an attack can come at any moment

◼   ► let's do that bang mm-hmm and and the

◼   ► thing I will say about this is that it

◼   ► was a very emotional final battle for me

◼   ► as we talked about everybody bringing

◼   ► their own stuff in fighting their own

◼   ► battles because I live in Portland so

◼   ► this was just barely a week after the

◼   ► incident on the max so talking about how

◼   ► mankind is terrible and mankind is

◼   ► horrible and mankind does all this stuff

◼   ► to each other like I was totally sitting

◼   ► in my seat going yeah I know like it was

◼   ► very sad like from here because like I

◼   ► see that everywhere like it's happening

◼   ► in downtown Portland right now as we

◼   ► regard this as a matter of fact

◼   ► so it was it was one of those things

◼   ► where it was it resonated with me

◼   ► personally and you know everybody

◼   ► sitting in my room sure like as we were

◼   ► sitting there watching them talk

◼   ► watching Aires talk about how humanity

◼   ► is so terrible and you know yeah it did

◼   ► you know it it he's absolutely right

◼   ► I felt like you know it I was like I

◼   ► gotta see your point dude like there was

◼   ► a moment there where I'm like yeah he's

◼   ► kind of making a convincing argument

◼   ► like we kind of do suck and then when I

◼   ► knew it was him and we went back the

◼   ► next time like there was a lot of stuff

◼   ► going on in town where people have had

◼   ► crazy amounts of money donated to the

◼   ► families and donated to the guy who

◼   ► survived so that he can pay all of his

◼   ► medical bills and there's a company that

◼   ► donated a bunch of t-shirts say piece on

◼   ► them and they like went down to the max

◼   ► stop and started giving them away to

◼   ► people and like there's still a bunch of

◼   ► flowers there and people are talking

◼   ► about a permanent memorial to these

◼   ► people and and that like all of that

◼   ► news started coming out on Friday so

◼   ► when when I when I get went again on

◼   ► Friday I felt like I cited more with

◼   ► Diana at the end you know like they are

◼   ► more than that like yeah actually we are

◼   ► you know we need to be reminded of that

◼   ► so it was a very emotion a motional II

◼   ► between seeing at Thursday and seeing at

◼   ► Friday for that reason you know and it

◼   ► was really nice to sort of have that

◼   ► reminder and like be sort of reassured I

◼   ► guess yeah the one piece of his of areas

◼   ► argument that just didn't sit well for

◼   ► me and I don't think it was supposed to

◼   ► was his idea that okay so you have like

◼   ► you know if anybody in this movie could

◼   ► could be said to have been fringed its

◼   ► Steve because he is the one who

◼   ► sacrifices himself and dies I mean at

◼   ► least he but chooses to sacrifice

◼   ► himself so it's not like really yeah

◼   ► fridging but no but so he dies and she

◼   ► explodes with her anger which I thought

◼   ► that was a great teen she did a really

◼   ► nice job but then Aries is his point is

◼   ► sort of see he went and he left you

◼   ► alone so you should you should believe

◼   ► me and follow me and I was just like how

◼   ► dumb are you - thank you she's upset

◼   ► because she cared about him and you

◼   ► totally misread the situation while you

◼   ► must be a God of War and clearly not a

◼   ► God of love that's

◼   ► so so so then she goes on to to

◼   ► recognize that no people are better and

◼   ► and and she's she becomes our wonderful

◼   ► Wonder Woman what which I have to also

◼   ► say it's nice that nobody said Wonder

◼   ► Woman at all in the entire movie yeah

◼   ► yeah that's true her reaction to his to

◼   ► his death was was awesome and his

◼   ► reaction to her reaction to Steve's

◼   ► death was baffling to me the only

◼   ► downside for me for a lot of that is I

◼   ► thought David Thewlis was totally

◼   ► totally perfect as Sir Patrick and as he

◼   ► was turning into revealing himself to be

◼   ► Aerys it was still okay once we were in

◼   ► the full-on god I really kind of wish

◼   ► that they'd given him like a full-on

◼   ► helm that covered everything but his uh

◼   ► but his eyes because I'm sorry

◼   ► that is Ares does not wear that would be

◼   ► little mustache to me sitting there you

◼   ► know he was sitting there talking about

◼   ► after I fell to earth and I was too weak

◼   ► and whatever and they show him and he's

◼   ► like sad and uncloudy in that stash oh

◼   ► you've got to put it the 70s and now

◼   ► it's World War one I don't understand

◼   ► what happened here yes that's it's it's

◼   ► kind of it's the why the USS Enterprise

◼   ► makes noise in space it's so we can

◼   ► remember who he is because we can't

◼   ► possibly figure that out but I think

◼   ► that was the sex acts nighter thing I

◼   ► don't think that was the director

◼   ► because that's just dumb yeah and the

◼   ► wrists and the rest of this movie is not

◼   ► dumb that way well there was still a

◼   ► confrontation between the two there

◼   ► still had to be dialogue between the two

◼   ► so that's what you know that's why they

◼   ► couldn't necessarily turn we've got ears

◼   ► we've got ears we can hear him hahaha

◼   ► you just see this you know there there

◼   ► is a thing to be said about about

◼   ► humanity and movies and if it was just

◼   ► sort of a CG monster I think we would

◼   ► sort of lose that connection a little

◼   ► bit but I think we can see the eyes in

◼   ► the mouth moving of of the human that's

◼   ► under perhaps his mustache should have

◼   ► singed off I suppose that maybe we go

◼   ► for that

◼   ► I will give one very brief defense of

◼   ► his statement about he's gone and left

◼   ► you alone because that to me didn't

◼   ► actually feel odd i from a family where

◼   ► people have served in the US military

◼   ► particularly the US Navy I've got many

◼   ► friends who's had people serve in Iraq

◼   ► and Afghanistan and the thing that

◼   ► strikes me about the grieving process

◼   ► for people who serve in the military and

◼   ► put themselves in risky situations is

◼   ► that usually the anger part of that

◼   ► grief is they've gone and left you that

◼   ► nobody forced them at least for people

◼   ► who served after the draft and even then

◼   ► many people who serve during the draft

◼   ► had options to get out as did many of my

◼   ► family members who could have gone to a

◼   ► higher education rather than serve in

◼   ► the military at that time the anger part

◼   ► of that is you did not have to go and

◼   ► serve in this conflict you did not have

◼   ► to take that action that self-sacrifice

◼   ► to protect other people or in the case

◼   ► of what Steve's doing here you didn't

◼   ► have to go and decide that you and you

◼   ► alone could save everybody and decide to

◼   ► sacrifice yourself that that anger part

◼   ► of grief that that someone has made the

◼   ► decision to leave you is very real and I

◼   ► think the thing with Steve that struck

◼   ► me with Ares is that Steve is another

◼   ► one of in a way areas warriors he's not

◼   ► in love with war the way Ares is but

◼   ► he's participating in the conflict he's

◼   ► doing his best that he can to end the

◼   ► conflict but he is participating in it

◼   ► and Diana even expresses some discomfort

◼   ► at how Steve is valuing lives and how

◼   ► he's choosing to accept certain missions

◼   ► and who he's choosing to go in and save

◼   ► so for me that made perfect sense that

◼   ► this this might be a moment to convince

◼   ► Diana that

◼   ► man is weak man will continue to act out

◼   ► and be violent and that could have been

◼   ► seen as another failing of Steve's for

◼   ► Diana I'm glad that Diana reacted the

◼   ► way she did but that moment to me didn't

◼   ► seem at all odd thank you for putting

◼   ► that way because that's that is

◼   ► something I had not considered and now

◼   ► that moments it's much better with me

◼   ► thank you that that moment didn't seem

◼   ► odd to me either also because I mean I

◼   ► and this is part of my thing

◼   ► I didn't entirely by his resolution to

◼   ► this I don't think that was the best way

◼   ► to resolve things but in flying the

◼   ► plane up and getting it out of the way

◼   ► of everybody else

◼   ► he's showing that he's valuing everyone

◼   ► else who's on the ground he could have

◼   ► blown it up on the ground and that would

◼   ► have you know wiped out everybody else

◼   ► who was there but he took it out of the

◼   ► way by himself and now he's valuing only

◼   ► his he's valuing everyone else's lives

◼   ► above his own instead of saying well I'm

◼   ► gonna make a choice and destroy this

◼   ► here but you know maybe I'll survive and

◼   ► we'll go off and do whatever so it kind

◼   ► of made the sacrifice a little more

◼   ► meaningful I still don't quite buy it as

◼   ► an ending but and he did it without a

◼   ► quip too which is nice right you know

◼   ► man something he hesitated and he yeah

◼   ► exactly thinking and that's another

◼   ► thing I love I love to see characters

◼   ► think on stage and screen

◼   ► I don't care where and you don't get to

◼   ► see that often enough I really in like a

◼   ► team know enjoyed it but I was really

◼   ► impressed with that and then when we get

◼   ► the play back later where you can hear

◼   ► him and he tells Diana I can save the

◼   ► day but you can save the world and I

◼   ► really liked that he it sort of felt

◼   ► like he'd done the math on all of that

◼   ► you know even when when he said I need

◼   ► you guys to give me some cover and run

◼   ► into the plane or whatever it was you

◼   ► know and they all tried to talk him out

◼   ► of it and then he finds her and gets the

◼   ► chance to talk to her for a second and

◼   ► then goes up and that was the thing like

◼   ► he did hesitate and and you watch him

◼   ► like it sort of felt like when he grabs

◼   ► her lasso when he tells her they're

◼   ► going anyway and that he lied you know

◼   ► oh this is the to idea yeah and and I

◼   ► sort of felt like he was thinking about

◼   ► that like I even said this was a

◼   ► terrible idea and it's sort of like

◼   ► working through it in his head if he's

◼   ► like but it's what I have to do right

◼   ► and you know I know that there's a

◼   ► certain amount of that that probably had

◼   ► to happen for story reasons and you know

◼   ► one thing another like we can't make

◼   ► another movie with Steve Trevor and

◼   ► that'd that I have ideas now yeah you

◼   ► know and well he can come back to be a