00:00:00 ◼ ► why is chrome using a hundred percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► my CPU because Chrome oh I know why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► have an apple tab open that's why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► know when they added that thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► which by the way this is kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► telephone icon it's one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/11">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► that I wonder about people how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► recognize it except just by like pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► matching like you know the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► speaker icon looks like a paper cone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/19">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► with a little magnet coiled like but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/22">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► making sound yeah with the sound wave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/27">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► coming out of it do people even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/29">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► that that's supposed to be a speaker do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/30">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► they just think that's the sound symbol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/32">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► anyway because who the hell knows what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► speaker looks like these days right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/37">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► certainly the speakers in our phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/39">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► iPads don't look like that I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► similar parts fulfilling similar look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/44">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► like anyway they have that thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/46">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► you can find oh what tab is making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► noise like Safari has it in chrome has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/50">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► it they have some way for you to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/51">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► the tab that's making the noise which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/53">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► like oh that's great this is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/55">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► feature they recognize this this need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► it's annoying when you can't find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/58">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► tab that's making noise then you find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► and you know kill it or close it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/61">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► then we when you relaunch the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/63">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► and it like restores the state of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/65">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► previous session all of the tabs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► were they could possibly make noise like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/71">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► everything you start to autoplay yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► you have seven seven YouTube videos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/75">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► they all start playing it's like whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/76">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► you're so close you're like you've given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► the information to stop one when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/80">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► start spontaneously or lose track and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► you don't autoplay when tabs load in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► background but when i rewatch from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/85">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► note and restore a state it says you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/87">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► know what I bet this person wants seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/89">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► YouTube videos all play at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/90">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► let me do that and then yes I can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► them and stop them all one by one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► know what a solution of this problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► John having fewer tabs couple of tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► open that is a completely reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► solution doesn't say it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► many like I think I only had four tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► playing but you know because I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► bunch of YouTube videos up you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► doing YouTube research right and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► have a bunch of videos open in tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► which is fine you watch them one at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/115">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► time you leave them open some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/116">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► are like pause in the middle but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/117">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► you launch your browser for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► alright so I have some follow-up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► my MacBook / MacBook one slash Mac look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/126">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► you've made it already don't no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/130">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► there are people that are very perturbed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/133">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► about the MacBook adorable nickname and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► I think your monsters not really but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► don't understand why people are so upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/140">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► by this a lot of people wrote in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► recommend a particular kind of port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► replicator that apparently will solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► all of my problems because it has power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► in it has a thorough net it has USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► ports it has an SD card reader and on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/152">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► the surface they are correct but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► reason I didn't buy this was a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► one it was very expensive although the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► sum total of the other dongles I got was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/162">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► probably at least as much if not more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/163">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► than this is and we'll put an example on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/166">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► the show notes but there appear to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► like seven different manufacturers at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/169">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► all white label or excuse me sever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/171">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► different several different companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/172">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► that all white label the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► that's manufactured by gosh knows who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/175">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► yeah but anyway the main reason I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/176">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► not in terribly interested in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/179">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► from what I had seen when I did a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► bit of research in order to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/184">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► specific driver or whatever it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► nope I'm out and that was problem number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/195">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► one and problem number two is it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/198">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► very small and it appears on the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/200">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► to be very small but in actuality it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/205">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► quite large or larger than I would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► and like when I went to Chicago last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► week with the adorable I didn't bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► I almost said hub I guess it is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► a hub but anyway I didn't bring that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► dongle I only brought the HDMI dongle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► which I actually used more than a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/222">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► of times and it worked out very nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/225">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► but uh but my point is that I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/226">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► the flexibility of only bringing the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► or ones that I absolutely need and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► bringing the one or ones that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/233">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► need so I thought I would just mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► that but I do appreciate the feedback I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/238">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► honestly do because sometimes I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► see everything and then finally I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/241">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► wanted to point out that I also wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► adorable so if you want many more words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► podcast about the MacBook feel free to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► I enjoyed the review thanks thanks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► appreciate it it was actually a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/259">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► longer than I intended and for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/260">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► thought maybe I'll go through and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/262">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► cut what I can and then I thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/264">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► what I'm just gonna leave it because I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► love to say because I really like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/267">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► thing anyway we will put links in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► show notes but uh yeah I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/271">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► this adorable it is not the fastest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/274">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► thing in the world but it is quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► speaking of these sorts of things Connor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► Brooks writes in and says here's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► comparison pictures of the 27 excuse me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► 2016 vs. 2017 key caps there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/286">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► there's been a small revision this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► Connor says I've heard that the retrofit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► is known internally as a shim kit and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/293">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► be honest with you I can't really see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/297">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► the difference which probably means I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/299">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► completely missing it I'm sure this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► picture is completely fine I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► see it either okay good that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► feel a little better yeah I wish there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► was like red arrows or circle like look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► here here's the back and forth and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► like I could not speak am I looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► the underside of the key caps I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► though I have had a chance to I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► chance to try typing on a 2017 MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/318">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► Pro in a store and and it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► actually a different feeling they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► it is not like a dramatic difference it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► doesn't feel like a whole different type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► of keyboard but it does feel a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/331">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► softer at like almost as if they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► like a rubber mat under all the keys so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► like your like your your when you bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/338">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► bottoming out on something rubbery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/341">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► instead of something flat and it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► actually is a nice improvement is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/347">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► quieter slightly yeah it's it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► more dull sounding and a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► dull feeling like it really does feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► somewhere which i think is actually what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/356">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► they did but it it is it seems like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/358">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► better I still would not describe this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/362">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► incrementally making it more tolerable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► and if this if they also took this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► opportunity to fix whatever was causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► the keys to stick and fail then I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/372">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► too aggressive I know so but yeah I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► yeah it's and maybe this is it maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► maybe it needed some kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► rubber o-ring around a certain part or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► something I don't I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► details but the the 2017 s do definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► feel slightly but noticeably different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► yeah I gotta tell you and I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/393">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► this in my review so I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/395">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► belabor it but when I first got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/396">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► I was like oh I mean I knew what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► getting into but at the same time no and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► then I kind of got into like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► work I actually kind of liked it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► that's it I don't I don't know if I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/409">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► that I like it though because I love my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► magic keyboard I I can never come back I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/414">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► know so I I do prefer the magic keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► and I think in no small part because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/422">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► prefer a deeper throw and when I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/423">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► is that the right term for it basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► I want I want more travel when I push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/428">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► the travel on the key I want the key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► depress whatever amount I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/432">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► what the amount is on the magic keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/434">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► but I find that to be perfect and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/435">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► on the MacBook it does not travel into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► the into the MacBook as much as I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► like and that still frustrates me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► little bit but you know wait and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► couldn't figure out how to describe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/446">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► in and only you guys in you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/447">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► handful of people that read the review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/450">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► will truly understand what I meant but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/452">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► the only way I can describe it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► difference between like a proper shifter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► on a rear-wheel drive car you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► like the shifter is sitting directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► over the transmission so there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/464">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► rods that are connecting the shifter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► transmission itself like that feeling of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► sturdiness and notch enos and just good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► whereas especially the the on-board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► keyboard on my older macbook pro so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► before they went to the these and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/483">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► style keyboards that feels like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► actually understood Honda's to have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► good shift linkages but like my Saturn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► which admittedly yes it's a Saturn haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► sloppiest worst most disgusting shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► linkage in the world where he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/497">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► shimmy the stick left and right like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/498">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► inch either direction while the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/500">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► in gear it was terrible and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► like the old MacBook Pro feels like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/504">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► the magic keyboard is closer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/506">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► adorable z' keyboard but not quite as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► sturdy and that sturdiness is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► really really really nice and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/516">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► enjoy it and it seems so silly and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► if I was listening to this not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/521">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► really had this for a while I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/522">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► keyboard what but that's the best way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/527">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► can think of to describe it and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► Macbook what are we calling yours the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► that has the same keyboard that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/536">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► because you probably have the new 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/541">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► keys on that oh right yeah yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/543">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► right okay but it's very similar mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/545">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► so you find it to be more sturdy is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/548">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► a decent adjective for it can you figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► out a better way to describe it I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/552">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► what you mean it's it's basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► what Johnny I've and his white world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/555">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► video described as precise or stable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/556">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► so I know the feeling unfortunately I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/560">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► hesitate to use the word sturdy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/562">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► it's unreliable in the 20 and I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/563">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► gotten it replaced by the AppleCare bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/568">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► yet because I just don't I haven't at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/570">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► computer but yeah so i assuming that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► can get this fixed it'll it'll then be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► probably the same keyboard and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/581">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► will be precise and stable and sturdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/582">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► and everything else but until then i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► can't agree with the the specific words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► thirty because it keeps failing fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/588">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► enough so coming back to the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/590">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► point we're trying to make none of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► three of us can see the difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/594">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► these two pictures no but there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/595">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► different hundred out there right back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/598">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► in and like mark up these diagrams or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/599">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► you know tell us what we're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► be seeing cuz i've looked at them for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► long time and i I'm not I'm not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► it I I don't doubt that that this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► is accurate and you know I'm not trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/611">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► to say that this is fake news it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/613">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► that for my eyes I cannot tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/615">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► difference I'm sure there's a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/617">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► but darned if I can see where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/619">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► Joseph writes a very very fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/623">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► email about USBC yeah this was awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/627">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► because like his last episode we I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/630">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► complained that one of the problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/632">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► the USBC lifestyle is that you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/635">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► can't go all-in on it yet because see to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/637">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► me the one thing I just didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► ever come around to saying but I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/642">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► have said is like my goal here is okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/644">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► if I have a laptop that has all USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► ports on it let me go to Amazon and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► buy all new cables for everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/651">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► end in USB C and then I can totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/652">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► avoid having to use weird adapters a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/656">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► liver the place for almost anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/657">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► I'll just get USB C cables for all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► stuff and if I need to and I can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/662">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► couple of new things like a USB C card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► converted and I can just bring USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/667">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► cables with me on trips that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/670">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► dream and that is pretty much impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/672">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► to do in practice or it's hard to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/674">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► practice because my complaint last time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/677">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► is basically there are no USB C hubs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► that multiply USB C ports two more USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/681">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► seaports the only one I knew of was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/685">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► one that's inside the LG 5k display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► which converts one to three and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► are D and those are just USB C 3.1 not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► you know Thunderbolt or DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► which we'll get to in a second all week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/699">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► people have been sending me hubs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/701">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► they say oh I think this does it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/704">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► none of them actually do almost every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► other hub that people sent me this past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► week the only thing it did was it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/712">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► USB C import and and a single USBC out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/714">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► port so the best it could do is not lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► you the port but but it still would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► create more the only product I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► that actually created more there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► Belkin hub for like 30 bucks it has one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/728">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► star reviews everywhere because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► it's totally passive and unpowered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► converts one USB C port to two USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/737">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► ports and two USB a ports and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/740">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► bought one I have one right here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/742">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► it is unpowered so it can't like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/745">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► charge anything meaningfully and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/746">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► can't plug in like high draw current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/748">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► things to it but and and the reason it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/750">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► has one star reviews everywhere is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/753">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► nobody expected that when they bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/754">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► pass-through so Casey wouldn't help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► at all because you couldn't charge your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/760">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► bank adorable while you while this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► slow down but if you have anything but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/763">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► macbook one so if you have any more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/765">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► one USB port you can plug this into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/766">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► of the second ones that's not being used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/768">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► for power and you can you can turn more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► important so - so this is the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/771">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► out there and everything else does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/773">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► do this and and so Joseph C mail which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/777">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► is full of wonderful information about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► us PC spec that he's very familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► basically tells us why it's so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/784">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► basically why aren't their hubs out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► there that multiply USB seaports in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► capabilities as the ones built into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/794">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► laptop right and so I'm going to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► it's a little bit on the long side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/800">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► especially for feedback email but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/801">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► fascinating and I think it's worth it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/802">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► go on go on this journey with me kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/804">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► the problem this is Joseph now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/806">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► problem with doing USBC hubs is the spec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/808">TS</a>]
00:13:33 ◼ ► Thunderbolt and DisplayPort when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/813">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► into thunderbolt mode the wires are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► completely disconnected from the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/816">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► Thunderbolt controller when you go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/819">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► the DisplayPort mode the wires are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/821">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► completely disconnected from the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/822">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► controller and handed it over to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/824">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► display controller the key here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► this is all done at connection time so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► think you can see the problems with hubs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/829">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► if you plug in a hub and nothing's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/830">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► plugged into it from below then what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► it well to USB hub right so now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► upstream lanes from that hub or USB and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/837">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► this is connected inside the PC or Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/839">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► as USB but those ports below the hub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► haven't changed there's still the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► Thunderbolt or DisplayPort devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/846">TS</a>]
00:14:08 ◼ ► plugged in so now you go to plug in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/848">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► display to the downstream hubs ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► well it can't be a display because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► would mean you need to the upstream port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► to be renegotiated as a display you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/856">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► force the rego renegotiation but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/858">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► did that then none of the other ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► downstream from the hub can now be USP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► USB ports because the upstream port is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► no longer USB it's DisplayPort and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► can see a similar issue for Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► now there's an interesting thing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/871">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► and I'm sure somebody at Apple's thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► Thunderbolt itself can carry DisplayPort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/875">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► it's a Time multiplex bus and since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/877">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► Thunderbolt is really just PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/879">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► over a cable with the same multiplexing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/881">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► ability of a display you can build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/882">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► Thunderbolt hub or dock that has a USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/885">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► capable host controller in it and thus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/887">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► the upstream is Thunderbolt but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/890">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► downstream ports can still be USB C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/892">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► unquote route ports I think Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/895">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► adopting the u.s. PC connector here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► like a Trojan horse call it USB C but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/900">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► instead it's really thunderbolt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/902">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► Thunderbolt takes over the world from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/904">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► within the USB C spec by making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► default behavior of USB C to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► thunderbolt alternate mode that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► fascinating I read this email and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► like wow this is a lot of text this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► the sort of email I would normally be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/919">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► like okay whatever I am so glad I hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► spent the time because we actually did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/923">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► favorite team feedback emails ever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► everything you need to know yes I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/930">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► that you guys have some thoughts on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/933">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► yeah yeah I mean basically to summarize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/935">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► like because of the way it works you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► basically can't make a hub that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/939">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► reasonably good that multiplies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► port's that are on the laptop that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► all the same capabilities so you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► you're basically never gonna get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/949">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► that has that can multiply to like more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► displays or more high very high speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► Thunderbolt peripherals the the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► is that you know you buy USB C stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► don't really unless you're painting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/962">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► really close attention and you're a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► alternate mode if any it needs to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/967">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► like I have I have this card reader I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► have some Ethernet adapters and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/972">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► like well are any of these Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/974">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► devices or are they all us PC devices I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/976">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► don't actually know and as a nerd I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► figure out well the problem not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/981">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► normal devices because that would be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/982">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► know overkill but like how are regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/984">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► people supposed to navigate this weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/987">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► world like they tried to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/988">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► connector this one unified thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► this will solve all of our problems but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/993">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► in reality this is a world of hurt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► it's it's complicated by things like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► know by these alternate modes well yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► it's nice that you can put displays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► Thunderbolt over you know over the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► connector and stuff but like Casey's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► MacBook one doesn't have Thunderbolt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► only thing it's just I was just about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► interrupt you and say exactly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► because that reminded me one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► things that people were one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► common themes amongst what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1018">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► suggested for alternate dongles for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► is Oh use this thing that has everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► you want and a lot of the times it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► but it was Thunderbolt and not USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► and it wasn't until I got the adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► that it was really made clear to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► that just like you said Marco this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► machine does have USB see but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► connector so so I have a very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► subset of things that I can use that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► all on the same physical connector but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► internally are very very different yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► and so this whole that this these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► connectors are kind of a mess like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► standard works it's kind of like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► just look at USB see as USB 3.1 as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► protocol and you only connect USB 3.1 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► 3 devices to it that's great then it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► already had before with usb3 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► great because there's lots of USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► devices out there and USB 3 is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► standard relatively speaking and and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► can connect everything that's fine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► problem comes like that there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► these little asterisks on it and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► going to just end and those asterisks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► apply to devices computers cables and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► hubs all four of those things can screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► this up in some way and make something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► that you bought just not work for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► reason that to most people would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► mystery and and even though the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► can put up some kind of weird dialogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► of it smart that's still not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► helping the problem so it's it's nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► that they unify this all into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► connector but the implementation details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► make it kind of a mess so the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► the Thunderbolt being like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► catch-all or the Trojan horse like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► everyone's gonna put these ports in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► their machines but they'll eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► learn that you know it's neat that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► can connect display and also USB device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► to that thing but really the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► protocol that can tunnel everything over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► it and multiply stuff out is Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► so a thunderbolt will take over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► world because it's the it's the superset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► of everything like won't everybody just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► make everything Thunderbolt because once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► they learn oh you know if you give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► like this email says if you plug in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► hub you if the thing has to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► whether it is and you know sending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► through DisplayPort a USB or Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► and why wouldn't everybody just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► thunderbolt and the reason everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► won't do thunderbolt is because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► more expensive it's more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► everywhere it's more expensive in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► cables in the in the hardware that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► the hubs and the purpose like at USB is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► just cheaper to implement so it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► to be very difficult for Thunderbolt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► take over everywhere and maybe Intel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► opening up with Thunderbolt spec will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► help with this because people can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► like knockoff controllers legally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► knockoffs but like legally they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► implement their own spec router but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► think it's just more expensive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► implement even if you don't have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► the active cables with the chips in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► because you have a low speed device or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► whatever I'm not entirely sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► we're gonna get the Thunderbolt everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► I think it will help for the high end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► devices where people are spending gobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► and money on the you know upcoming Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► Pro and there's a bunch of Thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► peripherals that you can attach to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► and there's tons of you know PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► Lanes inside the box and you know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► think it will probably live on the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► end but for the medium to low end like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► around it's almost like this is yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► another problem the more port solve in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► theory again I'm not sure how many lanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► there are but if you know if you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► connected to redisplay so it has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► display and this one is USB so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► connected by USB hub like if if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► have more ports and have each individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► independently but you probably can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► completely independently once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► register a number of ports because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► controllers on the inside but surely you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► know in Casey's case if you had one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► port that one port could decide well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► he's gonna burn one in power so one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► power and then USB and then one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► display so so you had a 3 port computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► those three ports and those 3 ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► could decide individually what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► wanted to be if there was sufficient you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► independence inside the box maybe maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► forget about KC's thing sorry adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► you're stuck go to Markos computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► surely Markos computer you could put 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► ports in that thing one of the D power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1253">TS</a>]
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00:22:19 ◼ ► the home pod had a screen or not and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1339">TS</a>]
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00:27:24 ◼ ► of like Tiff's will ask it about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► weather in the morning it would be nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► to see that so as opposed to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► just having to sit through this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► four sentence long description of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► weather you know so a screen would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► helpful we thought and I convinced if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► - - let me preorder one and try it so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► get it here set it up plug it in and boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► the thing is hideous in person I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► is really ugly in person and and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► look at all the reviews and we got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► white one - I figured that would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► little bit less hideous no it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► hideous is it is it uglier than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► original Kindle no but it is larger all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► right like I think it is it can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► uglier but it does it doesn't pose the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► obvious that it has it doesn't pose that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► more in your face than the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► Kindle that is it right there and so let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► me expand on that so basically so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► would plug it and now like because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► hadn't opened up the Alexa app in a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► time I had not yet connected it to being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► a try to do it's like FaceTime or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► calling thing so I open it up in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► to set this up I'm required to give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► real name and confirm it and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► really tries hard to get me to give it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► phone number and access to my contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► list so we can periodically sync it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► us at the gammas on service and i say no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► no no and there's no that you can skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► that part you can skip the contact and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► phone number part but you can't skip the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► name part and you I don't see any way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► opt out of calling completely I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► want people calling me on my echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► I know Amazon just launched the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► where they you know they are doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► they had like their own like FaceTime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► network I could not possibly care less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► or be less interested in using it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► we have a million other ways to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► now that are all better and not run by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► could be companies like Amazon so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► the whole idea of being forced to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► this up and not having a clear opt-out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► really put me off so I was already kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► of unhappy and maybe that colored my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► later reaction so we set the thing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► the first thing that's to do is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► software B takes forever no can't walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► away you know obviously they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► update the software you know before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► ship to me two days ago but okay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► then the thing finally boots up and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► screen is super bright and I know we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► probably change that but the screen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► super bright and it's just blaring news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► headlines at you that you that lates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► it the frit it's like you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► celebrity baby thing I don't care at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► like the last thing I want is for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► screen to be blaring visually blaring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► news headlines at me and we tried a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► couple things okay I guess we'll set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► this up like we don't have calendars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► paired yet so the counter screen is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► usually yet but I really want to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► Amazon access to my calendar well maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► not me okay I won't judge it on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► let's try playing some music so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► first thing is it completely fails to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► recognize my Amazon music whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► whatever the subscription is that is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► the echo that like the premium thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► the echo there's like four bucks a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► we have that and it totally failed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► eventually started working the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► quality on it is really poor it is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► a very small improvement over the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► cylinder and I don't care for that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► this device costs two hundred and thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► dollars and granted yes it has a screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► and everything so that's that's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► couldn't improve the sound quality like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► that think that's like the one major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► problem with the echo cylinders sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► quality and they they really I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► they almost didn't improve it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► it's it's very very close to the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► and and it just like it just keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► blaring this this screen at us and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► TIFF was very quickly out of love and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► and I very quickly followed because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► I realized was regardless of what anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► else thinks of this product I had made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► mistake in thinking it was right for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► because one thing that I now realize in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► retrospect that we like about the echo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► cylinder is that it is it does not take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► visual attention away from anything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► is this you know it's not pretty but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► it's discreet you know it's this black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► cylinder you put somewhere they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► cylinder you put somewhere and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► really ever have to look at it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► doesn't draw attention to itself so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► the echo cylinder fits into your life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► a more discreet way the echo show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► the screen draws attention in it draws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► your eyes and it takes attention out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► the room and it does it for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► that really doesn't deserve that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► attention it is it is just this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► screen in your kitchen that's telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► you about Kanye's baby or whatever and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► could not possibly like and yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► sure I can figure those things in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► some different way but just like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► thing draws your eye and it's designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► to do that it's Amazon stuff is not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► enough to make it worth using they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► they're gooeys and I kind of knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► already I don't I don't know why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► thought those would be any different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► but for some reason I thought this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► be different and that was a mistake so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► this thing is not for us at all so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► returning it well that's disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► but maybe you got the Amazon echo show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► with special offers paid 50 bucks more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► without special offers yeah and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► what one of the things that makes me sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► about this is I realize like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► there is a future where they make their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► app even worse and they make me and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► require my calling information or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► whatever else or they require more stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► I don't want to give them or if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► a future in which all echos have screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► and and there is no more option to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► on that or or that the ones without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► screens start sucking because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► because the service assumes you always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► you know like it made me realize I quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► how fragile this ecosystem is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► this was depending on Amazon doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► one cool thing just just keep doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► like there's one thing they made it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► great this the cylinders like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► great just keep doing that but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► they're broadening outreaches weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► creepy things like the look and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► show that are going in a direction that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► I really don't like and again if you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► know if you listeners like this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► all I'm saying is this was dramatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► not for us and not but not the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► thing we were looking for even though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► probably should have no not going in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► I didn't oh well sometimes it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► but it made me think for a second like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► I'm actually gonna be really sad if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► ecosystem goes south in a way that ruins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► the cylinder for us because I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► like the cylinder the way it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► and if that goes away like I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► guess we could try the the Google air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► freshener but I'm not a big fan of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► the home pod might be great but we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► really know yet and honestly the more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► keep trying Syria I keep giving it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► benefit of the doubt and it keeps making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► I don't have a good luck with Siri so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► I'm not incredibly optimistic about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► and and the home pod is also larger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► much more expensive and so it'll be hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► to justify buying you know more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► of them or I don't know home pod is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► I hope Amazon does not screw up what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► they have that's really great with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► echo cylinders with the new weird creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► stuff they're trying to do now so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► did you think you were going to get from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► from the echo show when you bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► like I don't mean that in an in a nasty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► way I'm genuinely asking like did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► think oh it'll be really nice to have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► don't know a visible view of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► you'd made mention of your calendar like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► what sorts of things did you think this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► was going to help out with that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► to either not or do a crummy job of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► the only reasons I really wanted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► screen were to show me timers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► whether that's about it and and I and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► don't I didn't need the screen like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► get along just fine with a cylinder but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► it would just be nicer to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► like just glance at timer statuses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► just and just you know see the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► presented without having to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► description with all the words in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► like that would be nice and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► again like everyone out there is yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► at me to just you know we're an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► watch because then it really does solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► many of these problems and Siri even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► occasionally works on that so that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► that could be nice but it but it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► not the way I want to do things so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► know this is all really nitpicky stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► and this technology is all really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► amazing so it feels weird to complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► about any of it really because in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► absolute terms this is all amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► we should be thankful we have any of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► but in relative terms I never want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► use an Amazon GUI if I can help it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► think what I was what I was hoping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► is more like what we thought the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► pod might be before we read Apple's site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► which is like just a very small discreet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► screen output for small amounts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► information to be presented subtly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► it could even still be an echo cylinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► just with like a little like like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► OLED strip around the top to do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► Time Square kind of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► scrolling marquee kind of size something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► like something small and discreet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► does not draw your eye that that like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► there's no timers and if there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► that you've asked for recently it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► but that doesn't that is terrible by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► way nobody I know that actually is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► but like okay a small screen like like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► watch sized screen right you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► like two timer stack they're counting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► down and it would be fine you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► something small on the screen is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► wanted and this is not that this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► this becomes the center of attention in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► or wherever you put it it's like a tea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► it's like having a TV on and I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► restaurant that has TVs and there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► in my field of view I'm constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► distracted by it and I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► but my eyes just drawn to it that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► this is even though it's not always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► moving and stuff all that sometimes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► but like it just constantly drew my eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► to it and I couldn't ignore it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► really deserves to be ignored most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► the time so if if what you want is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► TV like screens that are always on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► your life this might be for you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► that's not what I want it feels like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► could have gotten this thing quieted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► down so to speak get it to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► where I mean I don't even know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► displays the time or in the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► stuff but in theory one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► that Amazon might have a leg up over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► Apple on is just saying oh we'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► make everything configurable like you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► just be you know turn things on turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► things off whatever and then you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► it to the point where all it ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► displays is your three timers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► weather and you start looking at it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► like like an old-style clock radio where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► yeah the light that's constantly on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► doesn't change much it just shows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► time all you know I mean yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► second-generation device instead of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► hideous thing but on the other hand look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► at your cylinder they haven't made great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► strides with that cylinder they did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► wouldn't worry too much about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► ecosystem going all screened because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► they still got the the dot and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► got the cylinder and then they got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► and now they've got like a three Park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► family not even counting all the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► buttons that you pressed to get paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► towels and stuff so I think Amazon will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► keep making one of everything but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► think if they actually iterate on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► which remains to be seen it they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► but if they do iterate on it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► this this approach is better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► hey just give me cylinder with a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► screen because so whatever the tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► screen is just has more limited use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► cases what you really want is instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► this this thing looks like like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► speaker grille housing apparently some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► crappy speakers and then a screen on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► of it what you really want is for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► be and what people are going to suggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► so why don't you have an iPad in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► whatever app you want you figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► whoever you want use hey Siri to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► everything you want and won't that solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► your problems and you already hear our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► doesn't listen to me and does dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► things but having a big giant screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► that can do anything is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► flexible than having a small screen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► can do the three things that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► provided you can make the big screen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► know quiet down not show you special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► offers by the way if people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► what that's a reference to the Kindles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► for many years perhaps they still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► this you get a Kindle cheaper if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► willing to have ads displayed on it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► you're not using it and Amazon had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► euphemism for this they called it Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► with special offers that way of saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► buy this Kindle for less money and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► constantly show you ads and if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► the as they go away give us a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► of more money and let me tell you that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► the best money you'll ever spend in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► life their book to show the special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► offers yeah it was only it was only 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► bucks it wasn't a massive amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► yeah like get the one by all means get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► the one with special offers and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► just say every quarter that you're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► like in the laundry just keep saving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► that until you get 25 bucks and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► spend it it's great yeah use your money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► but anyway I'm still a believer in a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► screen thing that is stationary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► microphones and good speakers in it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► apparently this is not yet it but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► think that Marco didn't quite give this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► a long enough chance to know exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► much he would hate her like because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► feel like if you had kept it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► couple weeks you could probably come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► some uneasy truce with this super bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► screen and get it settled down and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► then you really know whether like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► untenable and this needs to go or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► whatever but it's probably easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► all involved if you don't add more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► these devices to your house so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► stockpiling them now yeah it'll be Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► with the cylinders Gruber with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► keyboards john steven hackett with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► everything well see the thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► keyboards is you can probably keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► getting this to work but the cylinder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2501">TS</a>]
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00:43:56 ◼ ► talk a little bit about iOS drag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► drop and I have not really experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► this yet I don't have a new iPad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► haven't put the beta on my iPad Mini but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► there's there was a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► discussion that I think all of us had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► had overheard when we were in San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► DC and it was a really fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► conversation that I'm gonna try my best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► to summarize so dr. wave Michael Johnson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► of Pixar had an interesting use case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► that he didn't feel like the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► drag-and-drop API would work with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► his specific examples slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► than this but I heard him talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► this a couple of times with a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► people and I'm gonna use his example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► that is not really for Pixar but just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► general example so let's say you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► photograph that you were dragging from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► say photos into pages vo the Apple word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► processor app what what dr. wave was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► saying was in general like say on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► you would expect that as you're dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► this photo over the text that's in pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► say you're dragging it into the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► of like an essay or something you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► expect that the text would flow around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► the image such that it's hugging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► borders of the sandwich presumably this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► image is some sort of rectangle and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► know it's it's trying to hug the four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► edges of that image as best as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► so as you drag it up all the text moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► down as you drag it down all the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► moves up etc I'm trying my best to paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► a word picture here so what he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► saying was that's not really allowed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► way things work today and now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► talking a little outside my comfort zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► basically you're given a bare minimum of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► I guess metadata about what's getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► dragged if any and it's not until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► user releases the drag and thus commits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► yes this is the app I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► receive this thing I'm holding on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► that's the moment at which the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► destination app gets all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► information including actual object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► that's being dragged but the theory from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► Apple was until you have released your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► finger and you know taking it off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► screen and thus dropped what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► quote-unquote in your hand what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► drag across some other app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► anything about that informations let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► say you have you know one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► situations where you have three apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► open you're going from photos and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► going across Twitter and because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► a maniac you don't use Tweetbot you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► the official Twitter app don't at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► okay so you drag across Twitter app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► you don't want Twitter to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► photograph and then you go into pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and that's when we release so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► they don't want to give a not final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► destination any sort of real information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► about what's being dragged but that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► real bummer for cases where you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► do things like reflow text around an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► image so it was a very very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► use case and I actually witnessed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► couple of conversations between dr. wave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► and a couple of people including some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► extremely fascinating about what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► pros and cons of Apple's approach and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► you know what what could or should they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► do about it and there's a lot of gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► area here that I'm kind of fluffing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► as an example if they're - if the source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► and destination apps are from the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► developer you know say comics are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► whatever then there's I believe more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► information available to you than there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► would be otherwise but I don't recall if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► that's enough to get through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► particular problem or not but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► just a really really fascinating news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► case and I don't know if I should go so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► certainly it's not one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► where I heard this was like wow this API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► sucks it's actually wow they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► really thought about this API they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► a decision that may or may not have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► the best but I think that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► and I understand why they did it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► don't I have not experienced this myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► I've kind of summarized as best I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► mark oh you have a new iPad and you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► have the beta on it right so anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► add on this I thought you're wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► now I'm questioning it I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► there was a whole thing in DC sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► which I haven't I haven't finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► watching the dragon drop ones yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► yeah I've seen them either yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► thought that that they actually did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► dimensions and there was even some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► to to like to tell the drag agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► how to render a preview to see like show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► a thumbnail of the image here like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► and didn't figure federighi talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► that on the talk show like I for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► reason I think you might be wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► this entire this entire concept like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► think they're like you are right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► that they get that the apps don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► receive information I don't receive the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► data that's being right unless it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► dropped for security concern reasons but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► I think there's this whole API in place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► for like previewing that allows the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:10 ◼ ► the Windows Server to the the basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2950">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► the app can tell the server like well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► you happen to have an image let me know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► its dimensions and render it you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► this kind of alpha of level at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► scale here you know I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► actually is waiting that you're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► right Marco you you ever calling this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► and actually there's even more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► there's other places where you can stash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► a limited amount of actual data like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► 8k buffer or something and a case he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► right about the not friend apps but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► app groups and stuff they're all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► things are true but the specific use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► specifically protected against is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► getting it the actual data that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► behind that dragged item they have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► these things surrounding it to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► some way to let the destination know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► stuff about your thing without getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► it the actual data and there's a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► reasons that one is the thing the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► you talked about which is privacy and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► kind of makes sense in in in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► iOS ecosystem in the modern computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► ecosystem the idea of dragging an image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► across the Facebook app and the Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► app extracting all the image data and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► like analyzing it and uploading or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► whatever like that sounds crazy you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► just paranoid no we've seen we've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► we've seen worse from other applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► on iOS this is you know this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► Apple did this if they can't give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► the data and so if they if they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► gonna give you the data then all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► problems you're talking about well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► do I do for you know for a preview what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► should it look like what I'm dragging it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► can I give some metadata can I give some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► limited amount of other data of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► choosing you know a couple kilobytes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► information and a lot of times that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► be enough for example if the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► you're dragging is representable by URL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► jam that URL into that you know 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► kilobyte field then your destination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► application it's like oh hi you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► dragging this thing but I can't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► the real data it's like yeah but I my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► date is just a URL and I'll put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► little area and then you can read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► URL and then you can hit the URL and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► pull down the data and get it but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► something very large like a large data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► they don't want the application to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► at that actual data and all the preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► stuff you can do is never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► represent the thing I don't want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► into I know some more specific details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► about the use cases the Pixar thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► I don't want to talk about them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► there are situations where a preview is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► not sufficient a thumbnail preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► sufficient you can imagine things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► Pixar does that may not be adequately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► represented are nicely representable as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► merely some dimensions in the thumbnail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► right because picsArt of stuff in 3d so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► just feel free to extrapolate from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► and that's that's a user experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► thing where you would just expect on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► Mac or on a PC type operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► that the destination has access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► full set of data and can do whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► wants with it and not just say give me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► little placeholder because sometimes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► something or a kilobits is not adequate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► and so I think Apple made the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► decision for the environment because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► especially since it's so hard to ensure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► that you don't drag across something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► know that you like because everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► you know it's a tiling window manager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► essentially there is no dead zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► there's no demilitarized zone between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► the quote-unquote windows all right so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► guess if you invoke the multitasking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► switcher you've got you're sort of out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► of dragging across things until you pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► it back but maybe when you pull it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► the front to maybe you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► hovering over the right side of the pane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► as it zooms and like it's it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► not to accidentally hover over something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► and I don't know if it's just iOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► just modern computing in general but iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► grew up in an environment where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► not it is not overly paranoid to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► that applications will try to extract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► any piece of information they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► because they can do stuff with it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► can upload to a server they can analyze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► it they could figure out how to sell ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► you know like that that is real stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► that happens so I have to protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► against it and but after hearing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► specific use cases I think there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► there is a situation that Apple needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► address and I think the best way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► address it is probably by you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► same thing with the app group stuff of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► like opening the floodgates between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► applications that that know each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► right and I'm sure this use case beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► that was like all right well what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► you know third-party company that wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► to sell an application into professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► environment and they're not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► company they want to share things so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► there needs to be some sort of secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► companies to agree that it's okay that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► we show that we share each other's full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► data instead of doing a lot of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► stuff but I mean this this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► software design is about that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► you make the best decision for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► and then everybody who's who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► fall into that you know that 80% the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► fat part of the bell curve sends you bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► reports and you try to find some way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► accommodate them so I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► the outcome of this conversation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► other than I was fairly convinced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► this is a legit use case and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► Apple was as well on it hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► they'll do stuff to address it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► still think they made they made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► right decision for the majority of users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► you know it's sort of safety first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► security first privacy first approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► with many allowances to let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► your average application do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► reasonable and then the more demanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► applications have to find another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► anything else on drag-and-drop so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► there's a subsection here about dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► on a drag and drop on the phone this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► all this is all older notes but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► like right after the key knows like wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► does drag-and-drop work on the phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► does it work in the bay there's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► supposed to work or no there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► gonna intentionally make it not work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► because they don't want drag and drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► could be on the phone I don't have iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► lovin on a phone so I don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► current status is this mark oh do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3298">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► have it yeah can you drag between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► anything on the phone can you drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► between apps no you can drag within your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► own app though I'm not entirely sure why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► they impose this limitation like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► see why somebody might have argued for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► this but you know on the iPad you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► drag and drop within an app and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► between apps on the iPhone you can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► drag and drop within an app however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► if you if the argument is the screen is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► too small and so you can expect people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► to like you know cram their fingers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► or whatever that doesn't work because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► there's this awesome system that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► built where you can you can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► pick up some items in a drag and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► with another finger from an you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► maybe from your other hand with another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► finger you can navigate the interface to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► a different screen and then drop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► drag items somewhere else like not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► within the same list or within the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► screen but you can actually like go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► like a different level in the navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► hierarchy and drop them there or you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► drive them through the whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► app entirely and that's great that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► incredibly powerful system but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► gonna allow navigation within an app to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► happen while you're in mid drag on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► phone why not also allow you to kick out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► to a different app and along something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► else you know so the only thing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► think of is on the iPad you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► screen space to have two apps side by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► side or you know more than one app side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► by side so you have that ability on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► the iPad and you don't have that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► iPhone and that's that's fine I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► that makes sense given given the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► sizes in the in the app environment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► I don't see why there's a limitation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► that you that you can't do it between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► apps by like holding down your dragged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► items on the phone and then hitting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► home button and go into a different app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► and opening up a different apps like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► already enabled it within the app so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► responding some people offering them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► maybe it's because you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► phone's not powerful enough where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► want to save as an upsell feature for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► the next iPhone or whatever and from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► what he heard WWC is they just wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► this to be an iPad only feature for now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► eventually a lot of by the way related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► to this both on the phone not on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► iPad one of the things that kept coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► up during the keynote and afterwards is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► the idea of a shelf which is a concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► that pretty sure existed in next step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► but certainly they were there were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► probably still are on the Mac these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► it's just I think even Quicksilver has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► something like good it's a region of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► screen like a shelf like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► rectangular area that comes out and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► like hey put stuff here and when you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► actually move them to there that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► proxies like oh it's like if you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► dragging something just put it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► shelf here and it's as if you continued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► the drag but you don't have to you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► drop it on the shelf then you can go do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► whatever it is you want to do go find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► where you're gonna dress or we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► drop that drag thing then you open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► the shelf again you're like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► take the thing back off the shelf and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► put it in so it's it's a multi-part drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► operation with like a rest stop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3478">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► between you could have multiple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► on the shelf so you could but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► imagine it's like multiple clipboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► there's lots of things in the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► interface that are equivalent to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► the tricky bit in iOS and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► reason that Bowl hasn't committed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► anything like a shelf yet is where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► you put the shelf how do you activate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► do you want to hog the whole screen edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► with it how do you get it to appear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► disappear do you feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► burning are you burning parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► interface of this now you use entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► applications as a shelf you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► shelf application and dock it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► right side of your thing and like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► there's lots of ways you can work around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► this but all the demos in the keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► and a lot of the stuff that I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► online is people showing multi finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► drags with the thing I think I referred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► to at the live show is that holding your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► breath operation where you begin doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► bunch of stuff and now you got stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► flight like fingers are on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► and maybe and basically you can't let go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► like you you're dragging stuff and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► can't let go you haven't gotten to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► destination yet you're getting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► your other hand is navigating somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► you're you're doing this with one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3536">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► wrapped around your little phone or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► have two hands on the phone it's resting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► it whatever those type of operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► that's kind of the same reason that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► guys don't remember this but that on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► Mac originally the menubar worked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► the thing at the top of screen you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► have to hold down the mouse button so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► you go up to the file menu you click and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► hold down the mouse button and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► to keep holding down the mouse button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► until you mouse over the menu item you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► wanted and you would release and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► like the the smallest version of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► breath-holding maneuver because you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► mouse down and you've had to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► holding it down while you looked around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► the menus you'd go to the next menu go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► down go into a submenu try to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► thing you want but you're holding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► mouse button down this entire time which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► is a more difficult operation especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► Mack wasn't even knowing knew how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► a mouse it's a more difficult operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► than you might think like okay hold down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► the mouse button but keep moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► mouse you know what but I have to I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► to keep pressing the button so do I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► rest my finger on it and press it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► the table or do I push upward on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3598">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► the table or do I push upward on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► Allisyn things we take for granted now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► suggestiveness but believe me this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► manoeuvre that was difficult for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► to do much more difficult for people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► do than the equivalent which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► Windows did which is go to the file menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► and click Mouse down mouse up no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► know you'll have to hold anything down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► anymore the file menu will fall down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► now you're free to navigate and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► flipside of that and the windows roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► okay well I did this click on the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► menu and I decided I don't want anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► in the phone on you but now the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► menu was stuck down like how do I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► rid of it I think you move your cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► around the other menus come down and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► try to move your cursor off the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► it's like I just want to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► these menus how do I make them go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► you can drill on your Mac now click the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► file menu and then just move your mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► around it and pretend you're a novice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► user it's like how the file menu is down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► I don't want it to go and then you hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► the edit menu now the Edit menu is down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► your shake you have to find a safe place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► to click to deactivate it where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► with the old Mac's table when you hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► down you just release the mouse button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► anywhere that's not on the menu item and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► eventually Apple came around to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► Windows way of doing things because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► a list of a breath-holding maneuver you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► get to click and now you need to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► find the menu item scroll around or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► whatever and eventually people learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► safe areas to click to deactivate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► thing or whatever so on iOS all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► drag operations you're just holding your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► breath that whole time until you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► find a place to put these and worse this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► is my question after the Kuna and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► still kind of have this question even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► though I do have I always love it on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► iPad now is how do you safely cancel a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► complex drag operation you've got seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► things in flight you're swiping around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► and you're like you change your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► you're like no never mind if I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► the Mac I would hit the Escape key which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► nobody knows because uh people aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► old-school Mac users and it would cancel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► the drag off I didn't know that but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► in iOS I'm like what what do I do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► all scrappy I've got in my hand I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► holding my breath I gotta get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► this like a hangar and I gotta get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► accidentally drag all this stuff into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► so like you go off the screen edge maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3718">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► I mean there's a million places we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► is you probably go to springboard it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► probably safe you that's you're dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► applications in which case maybe you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► move them to there you can go to a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► they have different cursors of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► happen in this location at all one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► them is like the forbidden cursor which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► they tell you're not supposed to use but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► at least tells you like look you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► drag this here ever it's never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► work don't bother like oh now it's safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► to drop I can drop it there like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► don't show demos like that but having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► having a safe way to change your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► mid-flight and also having a way to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► mid-flight without the pressure without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► the literal pressure of having to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► your fingers down on the screen or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► mental pressure of knowing that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► this thing in flight those are problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► that can potentially be solved by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► shelf because then you have a two-part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► maneuver I'm gonna do something with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► this thing and this other thing chuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► them on the shelf and now I'm free I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► not holding my breath animo I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► holding my fingers on the screen I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3778">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► free to figure out what I'm gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► with that stuff if I decide I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► gonna do anything with it it's over like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► I can just leave it on the shelf it or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► could delete it from the shelf or it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► led to each other stuff or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► eventually do find the thing I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► do I can bring the Shelf back onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► screen take the thing off the shelf put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► it where I was going to put it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► think there's room for that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► interface element in iOS and I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► lot of these multi-finger drag things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► are cool to look at an impressive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► are way above the the physical mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► dexterity of most people most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► time and even people who can pull them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► off I think they are they're less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► comfortable than a more relaxed multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► part operation the same way that holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► down the mouse cursor on a menu is less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► comfortable for people on the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► Mac and why we're all used to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► single clicking if you want to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► feeling of this by the way just fire up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► an old Mac emulator everybody even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► old-school Mac users like me you fire up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► one of those old Mac emulators and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► go to go to go to menu and you click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► it and then you briefly flickers on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► remember this or if you're not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► old-school Mac user like this thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► broken and just quit so there was an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► there was an app that I loved that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► not being made anymore and I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:15 ◼ ► was like an API change or they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3855">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► booted from Mac App Store I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► remember what it was it was called drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► and drop that's dragon is in the animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► and it was a play obviously on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► phrase drag and drop yeah yeah funny huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► anyway but it did was on the Mac if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► start a drag and then wiggle your mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► the same way you wiggle your mouse to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► get the huge cursor in ceará what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► would do is it would pop up I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► there's a term for this kind of pain but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► whatever the term is it would bring up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► one of those like I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► describe it but it's like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► temporary window basically and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► drag or you could drop I should say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► whatever you have in your in your drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► onto this drag and drop pane and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► would stay there then you couldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► know mouse around and do whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► needed maybe get to a different path on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► your on your desktop you know or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► know and your harddrive whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► then you could go back to drag and drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► and drag out of that so it was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► a shelf like you were saying and dragged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► out of that and onto finder or what have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► you and it was amazing and it made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► computer so much better and easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► use and maybe there's another equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► of that and if there is that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► kind of like to know it but unlike 20 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► those apps for the Mac the drag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► drops innovation was the Wiggly cursor I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► think that was the first app that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► most of them use screen edges like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► said Quicksilver has one I'm sure yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► cursor yeah oh you want the wheely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► cursor out of them here's a copy copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► drag and drop but yeah I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► think if the next shelf was the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► one of these that I'm mostly coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► Mac world and even in classic Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► there was a ton of these things some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► them are really good sorry I I love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► thing and I also did know you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► some hit escape to cancel drag by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► way and I you lived this long not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► knowing this part what are you doing yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► to cancel a drag I never cancel a drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► never cancel I've committed to this drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► I'm seeing it's pretty good to the end I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► gotta find someplace to drop this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► damn it I know I'm doing Oh sick burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► yeah let's go to the Mac you can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► grab well you know I grabbed either one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► thing at once or multiple things all at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► once it is more difficult than most Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► programs do not allow you to do this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► add to your drag well as an iOS that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► all the demos look like I've gone into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► another app and you know what I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► add more crap to this drag add add add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► I'm running out of fingers but it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► you keep going oh one more thing on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► since we got to have an AP FS section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► every shown out as my legal agreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► with Apple another one of the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► know I keep brings up like why do I care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► about a BFS then snapshots everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► last time dragging a large thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► there'd be a photo or a giant audio file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► or a video file or you know a 3d model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► or whatever from some iOS application to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► another one when you drop it and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► committed to have all the data appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► over there sandboxing is still a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► in iOS and despite app groups and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► the things with the data sharing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► whatever especially if it's across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► applications from different vendors it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► has to get you all that data if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► a three gigabyte video file it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► just say oh you can just read that three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► gigabyte video file out of that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► application sandbox because you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► that's the whole point of sandbox you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► can't get to that other application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► stuff but you also don't want to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► and like throw up a progress bar of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► now copying three gigabytes of data from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► application eight application B which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► what would happen on the Mac if you drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► this huge thing someplace you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► in the Mac progress bars are everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► you know everyone gets a progress bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► it's it's part of thematic experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► progress bars are less a part of the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► experience massively less a part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► iOS experience the best forget our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► stupid little spinners in the App door [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► store that never actually terminated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► anyway those are circular those aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► progress bars those are progress of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► good old API FS to the rescue because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► drag and drop is only available in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► 11 and in the way that we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4093">TS</a>]
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01:11:07 ◼ ► more recently we've had discovery D lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4267">TS</a>]
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01:11:17 ◼ ► some sometimes the core parts of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► underlying base operating system darwin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► is underneath you know iOS and mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► you never hear that name anymore these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► days and apple will decide they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► rewrite it and that can be exciting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► also scary discovery d last time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► happened was a little bit scary because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► they what was the thing that was replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► can't forget mdns responders yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► endianness Runner was a mess and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► tons of bugs but the thing they replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► it had more bugs and was even a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► mess and so they wrote back that change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► but things like launch d where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► replace the the process that spawns off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► all the other processes and duns it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► doesn't million other things rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► that from scratch and replace the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► init process that worked out pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► did we ever find out whether it was bono [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► that rescued us from rescuing us from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4335">TS</a>]
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01:12:20 ◼ ► with that well there was some celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► complained of Tim Cook I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4343">TS</a>]
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01:12:28 ◼ ► how to use computers there was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► some big celebrity and like imagine like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4350">TS</a>]
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01:12:35 ◼ ► rescuing us from Discovery D that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► that would rank pretty high up on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► list John Mayer I'm trying to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4359">TS</a>]
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01:12:43 ◼ ► celebrity that that allegedly complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► to Tim Cook about this thing and got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► well fixes in rolling rolling it back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► whatever it was it was fixed yeah oh for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4373">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► in the upcoming operating systems in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► high sierra and iOS 11 Apple's core OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► group I'm assuming or some other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► who work down in the guts of stuff have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4391">TS</a>]
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01:13:16 ◼ ► linker which is a thing you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4396">TS</a>]
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01:13:46 ◼ ► application they're somewhere else in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4426">TS</a>]
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01:14:20 ◼ ► time : past present and future which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4460">TS</a>]
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01:14:56 ◼ ► old compiler around and the new dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► linker is gonna be used to link like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► everything in the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► itself and probably eventually all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4503">TS</a>]
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01:15:08 ◼ ► the skinny on this the old version dy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► ld2 will be completely replaced but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4511">TS</a>]
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01:15:27 ◼ ► is their phrasing for 2017 Apple OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4527">TS</a>]
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01:15:33 ◼ ► watch the home pod the Apple TV the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► and all iOS devices for system apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► which means Apple's own applications or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► mean I guess third party applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► will keep still be using dld 2.0 anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► the reason this session is called app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► start time past present future is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► because what they're pitching developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► on is this will let your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► launch faster and there's been a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► WABC sessions about that and you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► think this is like oh great my app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4558">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► slow and startup this D way ld3 will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► make my app lunch faster well maybe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► probably not because as the session says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► in the beginning to try to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► level set what they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► making startup time faster is everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► that happens before they call main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► you're like well wait a second my code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► doesn't even start until they call main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► but you know if your application is slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► on startup because you're doing a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► of stuff in your code this will not help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► you because this all the time they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► trying to remove is before main is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► called right you're like oh well nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► happens before you call main right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► not like the first thing that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► and from a dynamic language super second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► it's like no no no you think your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► program starts at main really we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► do a bunch of crap to find all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► stuff before we can even call main and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► so this team is like we are everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► that happens before developers think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► there is zero time before main is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► but that is not true at all and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► they're working in a much smaller level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4615">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► applications I would imagine the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► required and you know after main is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► called and before like your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► are usable Dwarfs all this time but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► very small simple applications or system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► demons or stuff like that maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► sorry I'm not gonna repeat everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► that's in the presentation but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► summary is that they are taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► dynamic linker and moving it out into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► daemon process which might be terrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► to people like wait how can how can a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► and as I don't like demon processes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► D well the RTA ends in D which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► convenient for them it's a call to dy LD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► d I don't know they tried to it's simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► caching mechanism there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► stuff that has to happen before you call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► me and of like figuring out where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► your stuff is and the addresses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► dependencies and stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► doing symbol lookups that doesn't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► unless the library has change and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► they're gonna do all that in an external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:56 ◼ ► process and catch the results of it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4676">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► someone subsequent launches they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► have to redo that they could say oh I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► launched you before I know where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► your crap is and so we can skip right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► the part where we start doing stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► executing and having it in a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► process even though it sounds terrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► like from a security perspective like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► that if you can hack that process you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► own the system it's actually better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► having in the process because if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► gonna try to mess with dynamic linker a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► dynamic linker is running in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► process as you if you can corrupt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► process you have access to all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► that I'm Ankur is doing because you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► in the same process whereas if it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► an external process and a program is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► corrupted it's gonna have a harder time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► leaping across the barrier to a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► separate process that it hasn't yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► corrupted I don't know we'll see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► this works out security wise I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► the argument for it that it is harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► hack with things in a separate process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► than in your own process but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► other hand this is now a very attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► target for all sorts of hack so I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► they're doing a good job with it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► they made a pitch from a development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► perspective of like developing this as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► separate process makes it easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► them to test like it's not a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► code running inside a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► people's applications right inside other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► people's memory spaces or who knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► the heck is going on it is a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► process and it's in its own memory space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► that other processes aren't messing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► because of memory protection and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► makes it more reproducible and reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► everything like that so I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► a fascinating presentation one most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► people probably haven't watched session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► everybody see videos are free for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► developer account you can just click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► the link in our show notes and watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► right away I think this stuff is super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► cool I love it when Apple replaces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► guts of operating systems I hope they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► don't screw it up because this is super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► important and terrifying but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► yeah one of my favorite sessions this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► year so there are a few people in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► life who are not programmers but listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► to this show anyway and there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► number of people who write in and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► comments that effect sometimes they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► gonna love this chapter of the show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► didn't go to that much detail but let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► put it this way here for regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► like again with a PFS like why do I care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► this happening in theory things could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► launch faster on your Apple platforms in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► theory will that be perceptible to you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► don't know maybe maybe not but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► the other and the potential downside is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► everything is broking and nothing works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► so if that doesn't happen consider it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► victory so you got a little bonus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► surprised at WDC Marco you also got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► little bonus surprised at WWDC did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► not I did last summer as I was writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► my mp3 encoder I ran into an issue you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► know mp3 has had for a very very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► time has had the option to have VBR or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► variable bitrate files the idea being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► that you know if different different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► parts of a file of like an audio track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► could have different complexity levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► you know in a podcast all of the gaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► that are between all the words that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► we're speaking that you don't need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► many bits to encode what's mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► silence to a level that most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► would not even notice right and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► can use more bits to encode complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► passages like music and a variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► bitrate file allows the encoder to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► decide like you know for this for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► few milliseconds I'm gonna use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► bitrate and then for the next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► milliseconds I'm gonna use a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► bitrate and and so on and it's a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► more efficient way to encode audio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► the problem is that the mp3 format does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► not have great ways at least it did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:41 ◼ ► start out having great ways to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4901">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► ahead of time before you've read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► entire file if you want to say jump to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► an hour and 10 seconds in what byte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► position is that if it's a constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► calculate well each second is this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► bytes so therefore jump to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► offset times bytes per second and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► where you go if it's a VBR file you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► can't guarantee that because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► know what the average bitrate is across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► the whole file and so in order to jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► to a precise point you have to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► kind of lookup table or something to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► you know for every second or for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► half second or for every tenth of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► second this is it's a byte position and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► maybe put that at the beginning of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► file in the mid the metadata section or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► something and then you can jump to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► and there were a few standards on how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► do this but Apple supported none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► so if you would load a very long file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► like a podcast in something that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► using an apple decoder which is every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► podcast player on iOS or Safari or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► you know any pretty much anywhere on app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► on Apple platforms that could play an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► mp3 would have this problem you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► jump ahead like if you were trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► seek and within that file you jump ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► and you would actually not be at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► right point because it was it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► having any kind of intelligence about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4978">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► VBR filed and how to seek within them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► it would just try to estimate based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► file size and it would say well you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► you you this file is you know 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► megabytes and it's I can read from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► duration header upfront that it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► hours long and you told me to jump to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► one hour so I'm gonna jump to the 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► megabyte mark and just assume that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► correct and that could be off by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► two minutes or more like that that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► be off by a lot depending on the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► on the content of the file like how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► variable bitrate stuff was allocated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► between different parts of it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► that's sucked so it basically meant that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► it was it was impractical for podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► or a lot of any kind of long-form audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► content to really ever use VBR encoding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:41 ◼ ► and I filed a bug report it's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5021">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► attention to it and heard nothing for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► very long time well for a year and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► in iOS 11 and in High Sierra that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5032">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► properly seek VBR mp3s that have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► seek tables at the beginning of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► there are three different formats of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► they support all three of them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► prioritize is the highest part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► highest precision one first which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► ML LTE id3 tag they prioritize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► first forecast my encoder now writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► those tags so now we will soon you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► there's always gonna be issues the VBR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► files on like random like car head units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► and stuff and you know like things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► aren't you know advanced computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► platforms but it will soon become more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► reasonable like you know once iOS 11 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► High Sierra are widespread it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► become more reasonable for podcasters to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► potentially use VBR encoding on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► mp3s and what this means for you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► listeners is better sound quality for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► things like dropped in music like if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► drop in a clip for music or if we play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► theme song whatever like you will hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► better quality on that and also you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► maintain the same level of quality for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► the whole file for just basic speech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► like what we're doing now and have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► take up like 25 to 50 percent less space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► and therefore also download faster use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► less battery while downloading you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► less space burn on your phone etc so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► it's a pretty nice gain it's like a 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► to 50 percent gain depending on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► content it's a pretty nice gain and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► can get better quality for dropped in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► clips and stuff all because now Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► will seek this properly now again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► there are gonna be non Apple platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► is gonna be ways in which like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► Android listeners for instance are kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► of a problem for this so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► podcasters like us will have to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► like what percentage of our audience is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► on platforms that don't support proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► VBR seeking and are we willing to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► them live with miscalculated durations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► or miscalculated seek points as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► seek throughout the file and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► that that's gonna be a trade-off for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► know any podcaster trim so I what format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► to encode their audio in but having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► in the Apple platforms is by far the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► biggest gain like it is like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► big one we needed like overcast already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► supports it because I use Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► supports all this stuff iOS 11 and high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► sierra well I don't have a Mac App sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► support the High Sierra and and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► other app that uses Apple's decoders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► which is as far as I know all of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► don't think any pond guys have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► funnel they're on mp3 decoders so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► this basically makes all I oh s apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► suddenly support this without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► changes whatsoever so that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► great I'm incredibly happy about this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► might be a while you know it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► another year or two before we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► practically use that but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► start of that like this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► first step and that's really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► audience Marco will make a VBR episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► of A to B way before you think he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5218">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► going to oh yeah definitely he's dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► to do it the episode you're listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► right now might be VBR that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► saying I wouldn't do during the the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► if I was sure he would you wouldn't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► anybody either I'll just be like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► know what that last episode that was VBR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► you didn't even know it yeah notice how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► good the theme song sounded want to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► more music clips like yeah explicably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► lots and lots of symbols and syncopated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► algorithms the funny thing is to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► also added in very few places but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► did add rudimentary support for the Opus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► interesting the open audio codec is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► of the successor to OGG Vorbis it's by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► the same people and it's it's this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► know it's open source and as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► anybody knows patent free other that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► you know that's that's always open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► like whether it's really been challenged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► or not but it's a very good codec very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► advanced very modern it have in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► small number of places iOS 11 and high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► sierra support that now so if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► might be a future in which mp3 might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► be the most practical solution anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► it might become you know if everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► support start supporting opus you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► possibility that's probably not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► happen in reality you just you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► probably always gonna be more practical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► to just ship mp3s because everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► supports them but you know maybe in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► future I get together with some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► podcast app makers and we figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► like how to advertise multiple formats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► of the same show and if you're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► compatible client that maybe maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► etter that said that that lets it say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► the downloading server you know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► can send me opus if you have it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► maybe you know maybe publishers then can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► publish files that are automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► transferred to multiple formats or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► something you know if this would take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► lot of a lot on the tooling side to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► this to make anybody actually do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:53 ◼ ► but this is this is the the start of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5333">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► making better quality podcasts that take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► up less space and I love that I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► having to make multiple video tags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► because with the whole was that a VC 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► or vp9 I forget the web of me would ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► WebM and all that other stuff because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► they wouldn't do h.264 and so all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► always 10 reviews I had to have multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► versions of every video so all devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► could see them but but anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► from a current production perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► it's annoying but it is nice to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► to do a cascade and say here's seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► versions of this thing and just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► browsers and between the browser and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► server you figure out which one you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► but I rank them like what kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► Apple did with the algorithms for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► VBR thing rank them and or from best to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► worst then you just go down the scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► until you find the one that you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► thanks much for three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► betterment fracture and Harry's we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► see you next week now the show is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► they didn't even mean to begin as it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:06 ◼ ► Marco and Casey wouldn't let him cuz it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5406">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► was accidentally was accidental and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► can find the show notes at ADP CAS UIL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► is esta that's Casey list and a are Co [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► so I was not entirely clear about why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► had experience with a 20-17 laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► I I lied I said I used it in a store I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► didn't use it in a store I use it in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► house and yeah so so here's here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► oh and a week's vacation I know come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► I'm trying to I'm trying to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► nineties references for you guys your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► so you know how I'm the chief summarizer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► in chief Marco is the chief justifier in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► chief yes what did you buy and how did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► you justify it my MacBook escaped as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► mentioned it you know I need to send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► and get the keyboard repairs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► started me thinking like alright when's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► a good him to do this and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► else I'm going away for a week we also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► will be at the beach for a month later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► this summer I have sent a I have placed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► an LG 5k display at the at the beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► house so I can work for a month because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5516">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► you know the summer time I record I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► a lot in the summer because as an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► developer you do make your upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► capabilities and everything and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► course I'm still gonna be recording with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► you guys gonna be podcasting awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► there it's gonna be you know a work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► month for the most part is it but I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► a lot during the summer would be a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► title for this episode so my plan was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► bring the MacBook Escape and connect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► to the LG 5k and work on that all summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► long wait on your on your LG 5k before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► you go on yeah do you did you get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► replaced with the one that doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► this draw it doesn't flicker off when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► Wi-Fi is nearby cuz then they like fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► that yeah as far as I know cuz I bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► it on the very last day of the discount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► mm-hmm because we were we were starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► to plan our summer and we were thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► we would probably you know do a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► month out there and so and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► you know I should have some big monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► to plug into and on the very last day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► that discount before I even had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5577">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► MacBook Escape I decided you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► I'm probably gonna do this you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► this was this was after they had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► selling them to fix the problem so as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► far as I know mine design have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► all right so anyway so this was my plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► bring the escape up there and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► you know work of it work on that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► summer long and I knew it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► slower than my iMac but fine you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► compromised situation but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► would deal with it because I love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► escape in so many other ways then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► escape keyboards are having problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► then I went on to WTC and hated having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► only two USB ports as we discussed last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► episode like that that got in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► a lot and even now the keyboard is fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► on the new ones probably that is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► the one thing that I can say I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► like about the MacBook Escape overall in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► my use of it so far I really don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► having only those two ports which if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► you're powered is really only one port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► but that was that's not a big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► problem to make me dump it but I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► this other problem now my iMac keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► having problems and these are problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► that I don't think we're gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► easily fixed my iMac is not only does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► have the image retention that it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► I complained about months ago and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► that's still getting worse and worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► I'm also getting what appear to be i/o [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► stalls on a pretty regular basis my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► noticeably worse I'm having weird pauses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► logic is giving me that wonderful disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► dialogue if you see a resume that I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► it so much I've never seen that dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► before two months ago and I'm having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► problems with my iMac is what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► now I really want either an iMac pro or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► probably a Mac Pro my plan has always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► been you know let me ride this iMac out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► the AppleCare on my iMac is up in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► months in October I think we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► whenever or whatever three years after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► the 5k came out is which I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► let me just last till then and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► can like sell it and get the mi Pro you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► should make a run at to getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► screen takes like before your thing runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► out just bring it in just be like look I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► have stalls on the screen has image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► trends and blah blah blah do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► and who knows I'm going to but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► is there's never a good time to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► there's never really or the beach for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► month but but you can't like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► have Apple send it back to you and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► it sit in a store for a month I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► think that would be a problem you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► so like that or likes it like on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► porch for a month so basically I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► having problems it with my iMac but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► is a terrible time for me to want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► replace my desktop because I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► wait even if the iMac Pro ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► for me what I should really do is wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► for the Mac Pro to come out before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► decide that just so I can see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► decisions equally and and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► they're Pro display is etc I already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:02 ◼ ► have this LG display so my new plan is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5762">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► let me use a laptop full time with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► LG display after vacation month this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► summer I'll bring the display home I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► will use it on my desk full time I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► send in my iMac to get serviced the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► laptop plus display will become my iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► you know effect it'll become like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► desktop my main computer and that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► bridge me over until the Mac Pro comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► out presumably like probably about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► year from now and then I can buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► desktop with all the options available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► to me and decide then T de passe in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► chat room has a good suggestion for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► it sounds like what you need is a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► subscription service and Apple just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► sends you every computer it makes just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► all with all of them whenever they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► a new computer you they just send them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► to you and you just you just keep paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► the subscription and the ones you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► like you return and it's like blue apron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► if you want to cancel a Mac you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► want the back to have to come this month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► that's fine and if you don't like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► the Macs you have you just send it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► to them they send you a different one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► that they actually have leasing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► business customers and I am a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► customer at my local store so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► actually started offering me the leasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► option which is not that different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► that the only reason I didn't take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► was that it's not that great of a deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► like it's like it's it's it's a two-year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► it's you know two or three years fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► of course you know because of the lease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► and it's like a fixed time scale and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► don't love having my computer purchases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► be tied to a fixed time scale like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► that's like a big deal to change and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► know when new minor revisions come out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► don't really care but like to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► tie a laptop to a two-year schedule that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► that that can't be slower or faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► that that I don't like that much and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► also the way it was priced is you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► pretty nice discount for doing the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► like if you add up all the payments you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► end up paying something like 20% less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► than the retail price but then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► end you have nothing on that like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► not paying it off at the end you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► it out for fair market value at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► but you're basically paying 80% of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► retail price over two years to at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► end have nothing whereas if you just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► you might only lose twenty to fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► percent instead of 80% and you can sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► whenever you want to so you got these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:24 ◼ ► these sticky keys and you had your image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5904">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► retention yeah your IO stalls we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► having a lot of problems the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► reliability if you're interested in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► couple years I may have a very reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► computer market if you're interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► this this is a proven track record I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► give you all the repair history totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► everything works you know one owner only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► drove it to church on Sundays it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► I've never been in an accident but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► been full of browser tabs the whole time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5934">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► yeah so basically I did have a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► use the LG display we went we went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► the to the beach couple of weeks ago or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► days ago whenever it was and and I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► to do some stuff on it with the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► Escape and the GPU and the Escape is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► operations on a 5k display and in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► fairness that's not what it's made to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► that like that's a hefty GPU load to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► on an intel integrated GPU there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► reason why like Apple does not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► advertise much with like the 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► class of laptops on the big 5k display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► they always show with a 15-inch because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► the 15-inch has a discrete GPU which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► way more powerful than the Intel one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► when you plug your 15-inch into just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► the discrete GPU locks itself on like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► always uses that it forces it on if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► ever kind to an external display because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► it knows like you kind of need that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► the MacBook escape while awesome for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► everything I needed before now with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► summer need that I need to have a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► big monitor and do big development in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► the open sometime I now have a need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► it does not cover very well it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► quite poor at it actually like even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► things like resizing windows is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► sluggish like that's because it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► made to be doing that I decided now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► my needs now that my iMac has caused me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► to have different needs and I now need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► desktop replacement to last me a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► until the Mac Pro comes out presumably I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► need something powerful so I got a 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► I got a 20-17 almost maxed out 15 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► and I see how this goes I mean I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► I'm still the return period business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► represent I can return however I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► this yeah he's a big pile in his office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► it just says Marco well technically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6051">TS</a>]
01:41:00 ◼ ► feel like this is oh I have a 15 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6060">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► again but you don't you have the 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► difference I'm sure honestly it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► feel dramatically better but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► know yet how reliable it is like I I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► fairly accustomed to the MacBook Escape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► keyboard like I didn't you know I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► don't love the butterfly keys but I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► used to it enough that I could operate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► but I can't operate when the keys fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► so that's I hope they have fixed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► I'll tell you because how know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► not a lot of grit in the beach house so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► nice I mean I don't use it in the sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► but yeah there's a you know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► what neither one kind of correction you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► two don't know if that's fine there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► one time I'm glad you didn't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► reference mmm anyway so yes I know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► is totally ridiculous yes I know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► completely wasteful but you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► requirements changed well it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► wasteful I thought you're throwing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► computers in the garbage like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► turning or selling them so other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► are getting use of them yeah and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► you know when they're this new like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► resale is not too bad it's a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► because I really do love everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► about the escape and and in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► you know once once my desktop situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► settles back down again once I get a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► Pro probably or an iMac Pro next year it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► wouldn't surprise me if whatever laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► I buy next after that I might then go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► back to the escape form factor because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► really do like it as a travel laptop but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:42 ◼ ► it is not what I want for a like desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6162">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► replacement you know I want more power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► for that you're gonna get an adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► you're gonna get a two-port adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► you'll see if that exists maybe but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► really do like the escape over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6173">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► adorable honestly it the adorable I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► a little bit too small to comfortably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6177">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► use in my lap like the way it sits on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► legs like I need a little bit more width [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► and and the 13 inch line offers that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► I'm a big fan of a 13 inch size overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► I think it really is I think for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► almost everybody the 13-inch is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:15 ◼ ► right choice it is really great and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6195">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► is a wonderful balance I will say though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► another I've used the escape for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► know three months or whatever whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:23 ◼ ► it's been the 15 days looks like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6203">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► aircraft carrier by comparison so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► now I mean Casey from even worse for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► right because you're like bouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► between the the adorable and the old 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► nation well right so I've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► adorable that I used from Wednesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► through Sunday when I was in Chicago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► then I came home to the 27-inch iMac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► then I needed to do something specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► for work so I got out the 15 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► iMac is a little different because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► kind of an it's like an external display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► I so to speak and that it's it's it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► occupies a different part of my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► a desktop but holy smokes when I grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► that 15-inch looked enormous an aircraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:08 ◼ ► carriers a perfect description and I li [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6248">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► computers back when they were yeah those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► were I kind I kind of want to just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► the adorable for a while and then have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► somebody hand me a 17-inch and I I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► I can't imagine what it was what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► would be like because the 15 just looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:26 ◼ ► obscenely large and I'd had 15s four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6266">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► years before the adorable probably six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:32 ◼ ► or so years by now and godly it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6272">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► looked massive I've got a Mac portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► if you're interested how do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► about a 16 pound portable Macintosh with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► a lead-acid battery somehow I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► that's gonna have trouble driving the 5k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:52 ◼ ► LCD display that's the thing I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6292">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► communicate to you youngsters adequately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► like the the idea that back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► every Mac had something amazing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► even this giant disgusting portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► computer and an active-matrix LCD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► display and all of the like that typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:11 ◼ ► PC laptops had passive-matrix screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6311">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► and I don't know if you remember what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► ghosting like you'd you would move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► cursor remove a windows and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► see like 17 ghost images of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► yeah yeah transistor behind every pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► and you can move your cursor and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► cursor would actually move and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► like it was like a portable a flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► screen can't do that because everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► knows what a flat screen looks like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► and yes it was monochrome I think yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► think the first backwards my room but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► active-matrix it was like well first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► it's like it was it was the promotion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► its day it was the 120 Hertz of its day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► it's like well once you see active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► matrix you can't go back my dad had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:50 ◼ ► had a think pad and I don't remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6350">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► model number but it was black and white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► or well I should say it's grayscale it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► was grayscale and and I remember running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► unplayable because of all the ghosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► it was ridiculous however I believe at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► dads house right now is an IBM PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► convertible in John you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► anything about these because you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► convertible came out in the early 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► three-and-a-half inch drives as a matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:25 ◼ ► of fact according to Wikipedia it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6385">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► the first IBM computer to use the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► and a half inch floppy disk format which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► went on to become the industry standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:30 ◼ ► you're welcome John anyway it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6390">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► complete piece of garbage anyway it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► wasn't IBM that made it the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► it weighed 13 pounds according to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► Wikipedia and it was an amazing machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► and I loved it and it's a total piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► garbage if I'm really honest with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► but it's worse than the Mac portable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► so the if you look at the image in Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► and you close so imagine you close the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► lid if you look at the very front of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► keyboard you see how there's like a grey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► bar going across the front and the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► of the it's a handle you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► being okay so yeah the thing would slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► out is you grabbed it and you can carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► this 13 I mean granted I am NOT the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:19 ◼ ► strongest man in the world but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6439">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► actually saw this thing than the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► year dad's and and I picked it up I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► just like oh god this thing is heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► like it is uncomfortably heavy at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► apparently 13 pounds which for those of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► you who believe in units that make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► that's almost 6 kilograms lighter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► the the Mac portable by almost an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► 15 inch like the the current 15 inch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► very light it's only 4 pounds but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► about the weight of the previous 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► generation and and so it really is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► light it's just large it has a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► footprint so it feels like you're waving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► around a lunch tray you know but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:05 ◼ ► know I do like a lot of that like if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6485">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► you're if you want a really powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:09 ◼ ► laptop that's a great one to have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6489">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► that's far the best one to have and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► really you know all my complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► battery life aside and I haven't had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► time to test this one really yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► haven't really used my battery yet it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► only a few days old but the form factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► of this current 15-inch is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► if you put it in a bag you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► like you it's like all the previous 13s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► like it you it doesn't feel any heavier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► than that but you have the power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► massive screen size relatively of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► 15-inch so it's a great computer and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:43 ◼ ► wasn't for me before but my requirements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► changed dramatically so and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► something that you're a convertible PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► can't do and didn't do which is it Auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► eject a floppy disk in space in space in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► space like it no gravity you mean well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► this gravity but you're falling on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► it's called orbit anyway if you brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► to a geostationary orbit satellite can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► you reject yeah Auto inject and eject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► drives on the max we're we're great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► auto-injectors is the feature yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► computers superior to pcs for I love you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► John but but you being smug about old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► have Apple hardware auto auto inject and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► eject will never die will never get old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► it they will live forever did though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► they will live forever no cuz the floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► disk so just went away I mean on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► other hand like you know you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► this IBM monstrosity like you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► know what's better than a laptop with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► floppy drive a laptop with two floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► drives well there was no our tribe what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► are you gonna do you had you know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6596">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► floppy for like Das or whatever and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► the other floppy for actually doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:02 ◼ ► it wasn't enough room in a 13 pound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6602">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► package for them to fit the hard your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:10 ◼ ► Welbeck portable had a 40 megabyte hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6610">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► drive so there you go 40 megabytes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQGPJjE/6612">TS</a>]