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little bit there is worth adding no well
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it wasn't bolded I got scolded earlier I
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should hi sorry alright we'll just we'll
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just have to edit all this out let me
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take a note John gets angry at Casey you
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gotta be you gotta be serious with these
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bowls John I already did trim this down
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you realize it's not like I just copied
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and pasted the thing you know this is
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the trim version the bowls just to let
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you know which parts are important
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alright so let's get started as we have
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to with follow up we have another
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instance of a fairly long email that I'd
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like to read most actually a couple
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instances of this that I'd like to read
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pretty much in their entirety because I
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think they're really really fascinating
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I would never generally do this but now
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I'm making the exception the rule
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because he's a really good email you do
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like every two weeks and ever and I
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always and I have to edit it in some
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ways it's like nothing is more boring
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and harder to follow then listen to
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somebody read like a six paragraph email
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in a podcast alright alright I'll try to
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I'll try to make this as quick as I can
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since John has done us the service of
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bolding certain sections in the show
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notes so we got some feedback from an
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anonymous Microsoft employee on the
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facial recognition in Windows and they
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said all the surface devices since the
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surface pro 4 which is the last two
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generations apparently have supported
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Windows hello this is different than
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High Sierra this is Windows hello which
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uses an infrared LED infrared depth
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camera and RGB webcam to authenticate
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via your face this technology's derived
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from the Kinect and in has in general
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been super well received it's fast very
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reliable and works in the dark and this
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includes a link to a video which we put
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in the show notes it's also tricky to
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fool arguably more secure than a
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fingerprint and you can it can even tell
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twins apart and we'll put a different
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link in the show notes for that when
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Microsoft tried to scale this down to
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mobile devices in the Lumia 650 and 650
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XL the same technology didn't work for a
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number of reasons including power cost
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and constraints size constraints it is
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the Lumia devices shipped in 2015 and
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while the surface solution didn't scale
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down effectively then I have no
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difficulty believing Apple could scale
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down to a full face solution like
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Windows hello in 2017 that said most
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good solutions I've seen require at
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least two cameras I are in our GP RGB to
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why it's a fleshie 3d object that's such
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a funny word fleshie but anyway and
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capture enough identifier x' as well as
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an ir LED to function and mix lighting
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conditions heavy backlighting and bright
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sunlight are especially challenging it's
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hard to see how these would fit into the
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quote unquote forehead of Abbas L I'm
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sorry bezel free iPhone without
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significant cutouts in addition to
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what's already required for the
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front-facing camera and proximity sensor
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blah blah blah all that to say it is
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fast dependable delightful face
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recognition that is absolutely possible
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and is in fact par for the course on
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some high-end Windows devices like the
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surface yes it does introduce some UI
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requirements for explicit confirmation
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of intent for example with purchases
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it's just a matter of time before
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someone makes it work on a phone I
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wouldn't be at all surprised if it to
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hear Apple had done that this isn't a
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thread of feedback with all the people
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all the windows users telling us about
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Windows hello many months ago and as
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this person point the reason I picked
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this email out is it is a Microsoft
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employee and they talk specifically
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about the challenges of getting it down
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into a phone because obviously you have
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luxuries on even just a laptop for in
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fact that you don't have on phones you
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got a lot of space to put sensors in
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there you got a lot more power a lot
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bigger battery usually you have more
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computing power these days the phone was
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probably faster than half of the things
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they listed so so we'll see so yes the
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face recognition on Windows hello is
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there we got varying reports some people
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say it's amazing it already exists that
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it's wonderful that people said I can't
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get it to recognize my face it takes
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like three to five seconds then it
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doesn't work half the time and I hate it
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so mixed results but in general I think
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mostly people like Windows hello and
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think that it works well there's just a
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question of can you get this in a phone
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I love that like the new like Windows
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did it is a lot like the old opera did
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it like that Windows is now so
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marginalized that like the cutting-edge
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features of like the surface hardware
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and like the stuff that's like the whole
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pure of Microsoft stack hardware
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software like so few people relatively
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speaking are using that and enjoying
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that to the point especially like around
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these parts around like you know Apple
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II tech podcast circles that we have no
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idea what they're doing and they're so
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like and they're doing important stuff
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and innovative stuff and they just want
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everyone to know that so much and
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we're all like no one's ever done this
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before like it's it's exactly what
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exactly why the Opera people have were
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always so mad because opera was doing
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all these great features that other
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browsers would add five years later and
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act like no one had ever done them
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before and everyone else believed the
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reason people didn't know about it
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because opera in the case of operas that
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opera was would fall down on like the
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basics like that it was people didn't
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use it not just because it was obscure
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and weird but because it just wasn't as
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good a web browser in most cases those
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other ones for like boring practical
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reasons Windows is not as good of an
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operating system that's what we use
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these things anyway certainly doesn't
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have the mind sure but like Windows
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hello like I said we talked we talked
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about it on this very podcast it's not
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like we didn't know that it existed and
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a lot of these features and I think we
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talked about the Samsung face
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recognition we a lot of these features
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we do know have even been tried in foam
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for it foam form factors before but you
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know the reason we don't like have them
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in front of mine is because I mean I
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mentioned the Amazon fire phone last
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time we like the five cameras and all
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the sensors and everything is like if
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they don't work really well it's like oh
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well yeah they tried to do a thing but
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they essentially failed and so it will
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rise to the level of public
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if it becomes popular and everyone
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agrees that it works really well and
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because if we're every where and every
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phone would be using it and so like no
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one has really cracked it kind of like
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fingerprint centers that essentially
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work really well everywhere now and so
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they're very very common so that's why
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everybody knows unlocking the phone with
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your finger as a thing whoever was first
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with that and getting it to work
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obviously we know about it from the
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Apple world but for all we know Android
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was doing it you know years before but
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anyway that technology is kind of
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settled and it works just fine face
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recognition is still in the realm of
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maybe on some desktop computers and some
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operating systems some people think it
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works great but no one has really nailed
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it on the phone to the point where it's
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better than fingerprint unlock or you
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know typing in a code or whatever I also
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do still do think that there are
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significant challenges with face
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recognition as an unlock method around
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the issues of how do you confirm the
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authentication and what do you do if you
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don't want to authenticate something you
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know and one one person I think it was
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on Twitter pointed out the example of
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like what if someone takes your phone
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out of your hand and hold it up to your
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face and then it like if the only come
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thing is recognize your face and then
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tap a thing on screen to say okay then
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somebody can take your phone and just
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authorize it right there in front of you
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and then walk away we're gonna make
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another Indiana Jones reference but a
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writ is lost our current so you know
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that one like the the watch
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authentication where once you unlock
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your watch as long as it's on your wrist
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it's it's you know it stays unlocked but
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if someone is to steal your watch it
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automatically locks when it leaves your
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wrist so I can imagine a similar feature
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where the gesture of picking it up and
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putting your finger on part of the
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screen your finger has to be there then
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then the camera recognizes you then you
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press the screen or slide in a direction
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or whatever and if any point in that
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chain like that your finger leaves the
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phone surface oh wherever you're
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supposed to be holding them then then
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it's all over so some pull the thing out
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here out of your hand and you know I
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don't know it's a difficult problem
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you'd have to incorporate you'd have to
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incorporate the fingerprint sensor I
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guess but right like and the thing is
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like the more complex that the gesture
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is or the more requirements it has to
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succeed in to unlock the phone and to
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keep the phone unlocked the more often
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that it won't work in legitimate use you
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know the more legitimate use cases I
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have were like okay well what if I want
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to often to keep my phone while it's
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sitting on a table and I could put my
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thumb on it now but you know if you have
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to have your hand on a certain part like
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touch ID is so good I feel like it
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solves so it solves or avoids so many of
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these other weird little problems that
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it would it would really take a lot to
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make it worth not using touch ID anymore
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I don't know I'm glad this is still a
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rumored feature so don't even know if
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shipping at all we won't have to
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consider this but oh I guess we'll all
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find out I still think it would be neat
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to like just have it sort of work by
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magic and just pick up your phone and
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using it's just automatically unlocked
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because you're you I would probably
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sacrifice that for for the security of
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like oh what if someone rips the phone
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out of your hand because you know that's
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not that common enough occurrence and my
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circles that I travel in but for other
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people I mean obviously if you have an
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option to turn this on or off
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really help let people decide what their
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security profile is and we said in the
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last show if you're in a situation like
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in an airport or you're going through
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immigration in some country you'd want
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to avoid both touch ID and deface
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recognition because you can be you know
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compelled to unlock your phone in that
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way there are other ways where you can
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lock down your phone so that you have to
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enter a big long password which they
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would have to you know use what was it
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rubber-hose cryptography pipe wrench
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retiree tog Rafi this depending on what
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version butters from the xkcd comic or
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from the idea that the ask a CD comic is
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derived from they just beat you with a
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pipe wrench until you tell them the
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password this reminds me also of the the
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watch unlock on the desktop so if you
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have an Apple watch that is actively
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unlocked you're I forget the exact
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requirements I think you're all on the
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same like iCloud account or something
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like that and you've enabled everything
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on every device then what you can do is
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if your watch is physically close to say
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your iMac or something like that and you
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tap a keyboard button or a mouse button
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to wake it up then it's it will see if
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your watch is nearby and if it's nearby
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and it's authenticated etc then it will
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go ahead and unlock the Mac for you and
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that seems perfectly reasonable until
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you think about say in office where you
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know most of us work in cubicles and so
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what if I'm a couple cubes down or maybe
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it the next cube over and somebody goes
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up to my work machine and neo smacks the
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keyboard and it feels like my watch is
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close enough then guess what that
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thing's getting unlocked and on the
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surface that's terrible but in reality
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you should in theory be close enough
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that you can hopefully see what is going
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on with your device and if you're not
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close enough to see what's going on it
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hopefully wouldn't allow itself to be
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unlocked but it's a similar kind of
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problem right where there's a pretty
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reasonable explanation or expectation I
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should say that you are close and that
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is the intended results for your device
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to unlock but you don't know for sure
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now the difference is which I didn't get
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a chance to talk to you before the chat
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rooms started yelling at me that you get
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a notification on your watch hey
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such-and-such has been unlocked
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but it to me rings a similar set of
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potential problems and for me it's been
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working out really well and it's super
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convenient so I kind of agree with you
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John that in the circles I travel in
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yeah I'm not too worried about it
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by the way Casey as the person who knows
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that they've seen Raiders can you do you
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know what reference I was going to make
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before I bail no I definitely
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I've seen Raiders many times but I do
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not know they're a beginning bit with
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the idol I gotta take the idol off but
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put a sandbag of equal weight like
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someone maintained at the part that
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you're it's kind of like stealing your
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watch while keeping something touching
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the sensor on the bottom so it stays
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unlocked you know I bet Apollo Robbins
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could do that yeah that's I was just
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about to ask who's that guy that can do
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that unbelievable like stealing stuff
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while you're talking to that but that's
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his next level you gets an Apple
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sponsorship like he can remove people's
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watches without them knowing but can you
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do it while at the same time like
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keeping something touching the proximity
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sensors underneath the watch so it
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remains unlocked that's the trick all
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right moving on before I get stuck in
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some Apollo Robbins videos they are
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mesmerizing all right an anonymous Apple
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source familiar with mdns responder has
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also written in they said now I'm
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mess and had tons of bugs John said that
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rewrite were entirely political nothing
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to do with mdns responder if your
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manager looking for something for your
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team to do rewriting some extra software
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seems much safer much existing software
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excuse me seems much safer much more
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predictable than thinking of something
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new for yourself rewriting something
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from scratch as we all know is that
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terrible idea and there's a link to the
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about this very thing coming back to the
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email if you measure it in admittedly
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of devices deployed mdns responders
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arguably the most successful piece of
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software ever to come out of Apple as
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well as being on an almost every Apple
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product it's also many other devices
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almost all network printers TiVo network
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cameras etc and in every Android device
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which is not just Android phones and
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tablets but also Android based
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accessories if you consider the quality
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and robustness of the mdns responder
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code is illustrated by the fact that
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even after being neglected for five
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years finding an old copy of mdns
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responder from a previous OS version and
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installing it on Yosemite still worked
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better than discovery d software Apple
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brief briefly shipped before reverting
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back to mdns responder I'm amused that
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you heard that the return to UM DNS
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responder was instigated by celebrity
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emailing Tim Cook you're right about
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that part except it wasn't Bono
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wasn't Bono was Vint Cerf fair enough
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and who is Vint Cerf can you explain to
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the audience that's why we have link to
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the Wikipedia page one of the fathers of
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the internet an old guy who did a lots
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of important work on the early internet
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is that you know I'm not that old so
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well first getting back to the part of
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this of NBS responder being a buggy
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there's a basis for that like first of
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all being neglected for five years it's
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never good for any piece of software
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second as a regular user it was not
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uncommon to have weird problems with
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your Mac and to have the solution be
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killing em DNS responder right I think I
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don't know if you guys remember that but
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I certainly do right so whether you want
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to consider it a buggy mess or whatever
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it is something that would be a
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candidate for hey this this essential
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piece of the system seems like it might
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be getting a little creaky and if
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someone has a good idea about how to
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vastly improve it by all means do it the
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Jones software thing about you should
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think you should never do you should
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never rewrite suffer a law that's been
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hashed out to death I mean it's it's a
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good presentation of a particular of one
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side of a particular issue but of course
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sometimes you do have to rewrite things
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so many good things that we love came
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from the decision to rewrite things you
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just have to know when to do it and when
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not to do it was basically Joel's point
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but it was expressed in a very
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hyperbolic way of like oh you should
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just totally never do this let me tell
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you all the great things that are about
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like software that already has all the
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corner cases and you know all the
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education all the things that you've
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learned over the years right baked into
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it but on the Mac we have examples of
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rewrites that are great and a lot of you
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know important things that we have on
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the Mac today are because someone
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decided to abandon some old code and
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rewrite it and we have some cautionary
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tales so I think there's a reasonable
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mix and I think it's not you know out of
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bounds to say the mdns responder as it
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was a candidate because it did cause
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real-world problems for regular people
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it wasn't exactly the P Ram point but it
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was the point at a certain point in the
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history of the Mac that killing him DNS
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responder to fix a whole host of
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problems it became like one of those
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things you might just want to try
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because it could be what's going now
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politically speaking who knows maybe
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this because they said oh just don't
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ever fix MDS respond over five years
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whoever this person who wrote it seems
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to think the project was neglected but
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obviously discovery D was not a
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successful rewrite and whatever reason
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that the rewrite was undertaken and the
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people who did it and whether that the
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expertise are really understood what
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mdns responder was doing and how it did
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it and all the decisions that led to its
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design all the things they learned it
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just seems like it was not it was not a
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project undertaken with the right
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attitude and by the right people but
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anyway this as to the idea of MDS
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responder being on lots of different
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systems this is news to me as well I
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suppose it's got to be an open-source
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component or maybe it's part of some
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wider like I don't whether it's part of
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Darwin or something even bigger
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open-source component I don't know I
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mean I only know it because it's that
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process that I had to kill my Mac
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sometimes it was super important and
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then most people know because it's the
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thing that came back to your place
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discovery didn't make your max work
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again well I did some very very quick
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research sorry for everyone who knows a
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lot more about it than this but so
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Bonjour is the is the zeroconf
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networking protocol that Apple
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popularized under that name and
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basically if you wanted to you know use
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like a network printer or I use network
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shares that were just listed by their
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names automatically find each other
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there's there's a very good chance it's
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using this Bonjour protocol part of the
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Bonjour software is M the NS responder
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which is like the daemon on the systems
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that manages that that apparently MDX
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responder itself is open-source under
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the Apache License and and so it
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apparently went into all sorts of things
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that had to support zeroconf networking
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and/or bond the Bonjour protocol I think
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you mean rendezvous right what a better
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name rendezvous it was like so zeroconf
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is the techie nerdy tech nology and then
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rendezvous was how Apple branded it but
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then in one of the rare cases or Apple
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lost or decided not to fight someone
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challenging their I figure what
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situation was whether they just said oh
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in your name or they actually lost the
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court case they have to change it so
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they changed upon her which is not bad
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but boy rendezvous it was better exactly
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so anyway so it appears that like lots
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of different operating systems and
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devices like printers and stuff all
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embedded ambience responder because it
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was open source so apparently that's why
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it kind of went in all these different
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things and went everywhere and is
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apparently in Android as well which is
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pretty pretty impressive that's that's
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you know that is okay I gotta give this
[TS]
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guy credit for pointing out the stuff
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like that is really quite widespread and
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I always just assumed it was just an
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apple thing but nope
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oh I would add the idea of it being
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successful in it being deployed
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everywhere two very different things
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there's lots of software that's deployed
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everywhere the success if your success
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is just measured by how far and wide you
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spread all sorts of terrible things can
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be quote unquote successful Windows that
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many but even if you just take some
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terrible code in the core of UNIX that's
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just been passed around because it's
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sort of unimportant but it's just that's
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where a lot of bugs and buffer overflows
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come from some really old library and
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some BSD UNIX variant that just gets
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passed around and no one ever looks at
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it and it's just gross crusty little
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corner and yeah anyway I don't know
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exactly why mdns responder was chosen as
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a victim for a rewrite but I think it
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was it was a reasonable decision but it
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was followed up by terrible executions
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so you gotta you get both parts of it if
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you if you identify the parts of justice
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and that could benefit from rewrites
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then you do a bad job you have not
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succeeded what it's worth open-source
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not Apple comm slash source slash mdns
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responder oh and by the way now that we
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know more about the open source nature
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of this maybe it wasn't such a good
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candidate because when there is a
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project like an open source project that
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lots of other people use that is sort of
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being worked on like other people have a
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stake in this like if mdns responder
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really is broken or whatever presumably
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there's lots of people from lots of
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different companies that are motivated
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to make it not suck right and you say
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you know what we're gonna write our own
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thing it's like saying we've been using
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WebKit which everybody helps update but
[TS]
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we would like our own engine so we're
[TS]
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just gonna start our own from
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scratch again it's probably not a great
[TS]
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idea now I'm DNS responders house same
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things web kid obviously in terms of
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complexity importance but if everyone
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else in the industry is using endianness
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responder and presumably updating it and
[TS]
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fixing it and you decide to go to on
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your own boy you better have the best
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team available with lots of people on it
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to equal the effort and smarts and
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experience of everyone else who's
[TS]
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maintaining in the as responder so
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perhaps it wasn't actually such a great
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when do you ILD to was developed and
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released there was a guy who worked on
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linkers he was bothered one day by how
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slow do LD was so he spent the weekend
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writing a new one from scratch because
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why not it was eventually released in a
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software update during the 10.3 cycle
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but the release notes for it were
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included in the 10.4 release the
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engineer who wrote dild 2 also wrote
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dild 3 I trust Kim's specifically also
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this is what public betas are for we did
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not have those in 2003 which is kind of
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funny I think people are surprised at
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exactly how few people are responsible
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for such important part so this isn't
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like they always assume is like hundreds
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of engineer and is like I figure what
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Twitter's employee count was some was
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something obscene like 3,000 employees
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or something like what are all those
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people doing and then you learn like how
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many people work on you know the dynamic
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linker for the Mac operating system and
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iOS and TV Oh us and watch OS and you're
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like boy that's probably a team of a
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couple hundred people it's like five
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people it's like five you know and
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really like like two or three of them
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are doing the bulk of the work and the
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guy who did the D way LD you know is
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largely responsible for the do LD three
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also was responsible to do lb 2 and he
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did it in a weekend and an earlier more
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innocent time push it out in a software
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update in the middle of the ten point
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three point next cycle you know this is
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a different time but even today like the
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teams are teams at Apple are smaller
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and that gets back to the whole like how
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money can't solve your your talent and
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retention problems like if you could
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mold money into the shape of people
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Gollum style or Gollum style and or how
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would do it but they can't they actually
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have to hire people and keep them happy
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and you need the right people and very
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written by very small teams of people
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who really know what they're doing and
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are very enthusiastic rather than
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hundreds and hundreds of people being
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directed by seventeen levels of
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management fair enough
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also it's Gangnam style actually I
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probably even pronounce that wrong there
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you go all right anyway please cut that
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from the show so I don't get a million
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pieces of feedback no anyhow hair in
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Kirkland writes in on my Mac to FX I had
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that is not a very good name of him
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on my Mac what's not good about 2fx
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that's one of the best Mac names ever
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one of the best Mac's everyone FX who
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does like FX it's pronounced effects
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it's got an accident so it's cool that's
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a it's a pun for effects it was the name
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of a movie in the 80s about special
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effects they don't make those anymore
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now you get now you see them which is
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about magic or something terrible
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remember movie magic that was a great TV
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show effects the whole yeah neither one
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of you is probably seeing that effects
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and that's probably a terrible 80s movie
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but Casey might like it don't you make
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fun of fun for October no I'm just
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saying like you're not gonna turn up
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your nose at a movie with like slightly
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dated sort of tropes or whatever anyway
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FX was a great movie to get movies
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terrible in case you would like it I
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know right great movie to catch on a
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Saturday when you're 12 years old I
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don't know if I love you John or both on
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my Mac two effects horrible name or not
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right snare in Kirkland I had a floppy
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disc or a little while why are we still
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talking about this i poppy disc
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autoloader that would hold 25 discs for
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unattempted retrospect backup and it
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relied on auto inject this is the
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discussion actually I was having with
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Merlin at some point oh I think it was
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off the air about I had this
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recollection that there were devices
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that would do the floppy swapping for
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you I'm like that's probably just
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something I was thinking of when I was a
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kid I don't think those things ever
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existed because when you're swapping
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floppies manually you're like surely I
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can make a machine do you know some sort
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of Rube Goldberg machine to do this for
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me right but this person says that
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apparently such thing actually existed
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so my I convinced myself that it was
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like a false memory but then I asked you
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remember the make and model and he
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didn't I would love to if anyone anyway
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if anybody has knows more about these
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can provide like a picture or a name or
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something to Google so we can find one
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of these things and see what it looked
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like I would love to see such a thing
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you can always you can't rely on the
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world of large-scale backup hardware
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like tape drives and everything else for
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the weirdest stuff out there you do a
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large-scale backups on to 3.5 inch
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floppy disks that sounds great right
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well you know and and because like there
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was a need for that like not everybody
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needed that at that time but someone
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needed it and someone was willing to pay
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thousands of dollars for that probably
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yeah retrospect whether it was a Mac
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backup program which someone the chat
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room was saying was terrible but I think
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had some kind of neat features I used it
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for many years all right any other
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follow-up kids we're still in follow up
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I know this was a long one those emails
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were good though so that's true
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they were pretty good I'll give I'll
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give John a bye on this one because we
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all know good follow-up is our fault but
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bad follow-up is John's fault that
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sounds right all right so chief waffler
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in chief what'd you buy these days this
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was not a waffle this was just straight
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up narrower down that question Casey
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what did you buy in the last four
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biggest thing physically speaking that
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you purchased recently what what impulse
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buy what multi-thousand dollar impulse
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buy did you just do so we've had our our
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wonderful plasma 42-inch Panasonic 85u
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TV for about ten years and it's fine
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it's great but you know in in the room
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that we have it in like we we have a
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pretty large like first floor great room
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in our house when I first got this TV I
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was still in apartments and it was great
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for apartment for apartments in the room
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we had it in it was a little small for
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like the setup we had in that room but
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it was still fine so I was just waiting
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for it to die before I replaced it I
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didn't want it to die for a long time
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because a nice 1080p plasma was still
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kind of the best thing you could get for
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a while and I often wanted to die for a
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while because over time like when I
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bought it you could get a 42 inch screen
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that was like the highest quality type
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of screen today if you want a great
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image quality TV the smallest you can
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get them in is usually 55 inches and for
[TS]
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a long time I was I was kind of hoping
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that my TV would hold out long or long
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or longer because
[TS]
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a 55-inch plasmas were huge like you
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know because plasmas still retained
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quite a bit of thickness and bezel with
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you know even even until the end of
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plasmas compared to the other
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technologies and so a 55 inch plasma was
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a pretty big thing and I thought that
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would be too big for the room and for
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the TV stand and everything else so I
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really didn't want to upgrade to that I
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also like 1080p was great and like i
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already had 1080p with great color great
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black levels like great you know great
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brightness everything else because
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plasmas are awesome so I was basically I
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didn't want to have to replace my TV
[TS]
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until he got a really great 4k HDR OLED
[TS]
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TV because I hate LCD like LCD is a
[TS]
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terrible TV technology the only thing
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good about it is that it costs almost
[TS]
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nothing that's it
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everything else about LCD TVs is
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terrible so I wanted to use go from
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plasma to OLED and don't don't even give
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me anything about LED TVs because we all
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know that's fake that's a wonderful
[TS]
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marketing sleight of hand I can't
[TS]
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believe they pulled it off but they did
[TS]
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when we were at the beach last week the
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house had a really big cheap LCD TV that
[TS]
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was about 50 inches and TIFF messaged me
[TS]
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one night saying ok we can get a bigger
[TS]
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TV I said nothing and within 45 seconds
[TS]
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it was already ordered in on its way why
[TS]
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was she saying that because she was
[TS]
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watching the cruddy LCD TV in there it
[TS]
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was like why does that mean we can get
[TS]
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AB it was the one in the house 2 small
[TS]
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I think she was fine I think seeing the
[TS]
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cruddy one finally convinced her that a
[TS]
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bigger TV can look really nice oh it was
[TS]
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this one bigger it's 50 you said yeah
[TS]
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it's 50 and I was compared to 42 and so
[TS]
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she was like wow this 50-inch does it
[TS]
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feels so much bigger sitting closer to
[TS]
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it then yeah she also was sitting closer
[TS]
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to it yes but anyway I've been dying to
[TS]
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get a know a 4k OLED TV ever since I saw
[TS]
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one and Best Buy like last year and I
[TS]
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already had all the research done that
[TS]
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►
like you know that if I had the reason
[TS]
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to get a 4k TV this year that I would
[TS]
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►
you know whatever the LG 4k OLED series
[TS]
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►
of the year was because all the reviews
[TS]
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►
seemed to be in pretty wide agreement
[TS]
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that that's basically the best one out
[TS]
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so finally TIFF said okay we can get a
[TS]
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bigger TV and I said absolutely nothing
[TS]
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about it until it arrived because I did
[TS]
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not want to bring the conversation back
[TS]
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up to have it maybe be back down or have
[TS]
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her mind changed this I'm not sure if
[TS]
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this is indicative of you having
[TS]
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mastered marriage or you having a real
[TS]
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and true problem with buying shit or
[TS]
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maybe both to be honest with you TIFF
[TS]
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did not appreciate this strategy where
[TS]
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are you sleeping tonight are you
[TS]
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this resulted in a she to get me back
[TS]
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for it she pairs got me undoing all the
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wires and stuff with the old one which
[TS]
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is basically used to periscope of my
[TS]
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butt leaning over the TV stand for like
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an hour and now we are even but by the
[TS]
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way the small TV problem remains we have
[TS]
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a small TV in our bedroom and it was so
[TS]
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hard to find a small television they
[TS]
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forget about like the best picture
[TS]
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quality just like not the worst picture
[TS]
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►
quality because small televisions are
[TS]
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like Oh someone's gonna use in the
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kitchen so put the crappiest thing you
[TS]
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can it hasn't gotten better over time as
[TS]
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everything's crept up it used to be the
[TS]
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good TVs were 42 that new go TVs were 50
[TS]
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this is the minimum size now like you
[TS]
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said the good TVs are 55 minimum size
[TS]
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everything's creeping up so to try to
[TS]
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find like now it's a choices kitchen TV
[TS]
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or 55 inch and in between the bill mans
[TS]
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land of crap yeah basically it's so I'm
[TS]
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sorry what model did you order Marco so
[TS]
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I I did what I had been researching to
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do I did a quick double-check before
[TS]
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just make sure nothing have changed
[TS]
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►
but everyone seemed to agree so I got
[TS]
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the LG 2017 4k OLED series that has
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sevens in the names and they have they
[TS]
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put a number in front of or a letter in
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front of them to indicate
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as far as I can tell nothing except like
[TS]
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the soundbar that's included so you can
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pay like a small or you well no no no
[TS]
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►
these are small amounts you can pay a
[TS]
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►
smaller amount to get one with just like
[TS]
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regular TV speakers in it like on the
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back and then you can pay like a
[TS]
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►
thousand dollars more to get a little
[TS]
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sound bar in the bottom and I hate sound
[TS]
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bars anyway so that that was not gonna
[TS]
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be a thing and then you could pay a
[TS]
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thousand dollars more than that to get
[TS]
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like even better of a sound bar on the
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bottom or something and and so the one I
[TS]
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got is the base model of the 2017 one
[TS]
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which is the LG c7 TV so it's amazing
[TS]
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that 55 inches yeah 55 yeah so why
[TS]
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didn't you go to 65 well first I knew I
[TS]
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wanted I knew I had to like sell this
[TS]
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when it arrived and and now that we see
[TS]
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it in the room I think I actually
[TS]
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probably could have pulled off 65 but
[TS]
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the reason why I'm glad I'm pretty sure
[TS]
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I'm happy enough with the 55 now is that
[TS]
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first of all it is a substantial upgrade
[TS]
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from 42 but the good thing is the TV
[TS]
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itself does not look that much bigger on
[TS]
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the shelf because there's such a
[TS]
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difference in bezel width like the the
[TS]
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new one has almost no bezel at all and
[TS]
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the old one the bezels were like you
[TS]
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know three inches on all sides it's a
[TS]
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huge difference in bezel width and
[TS]
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thickness like the new one looks really
[TS]
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sleek and has a screen that is more than
[TS]
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10 inches bigger but it doesn't look
[TS]
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like that that much bigger of a TV which
[TS]
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is nice because we we don't want the TV
[TS]
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to like dominate the look of the room
[TS]
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like when you get a TV that's too big
[TS]
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for the room or this even just like kind
[TS]
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of big for the room that is like your
[TS]
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eye is drawn to that even when it's off
[TS]
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like it's you just have like this big
[TS]
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black wall in your room like it's
[TS]
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something that is very dominant and
[TS]
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because like our TV is not like in some
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like back room of the house it's like
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the main room like we walk into our
[TS]
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house and you're in this like main room
[TS]
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that has the TV in the living room and
[TS]
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dining room all like in one big room to
[TS]
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make the TV substantially bigger I think
[TS]
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would would look too big for the room
[TS]
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but now we have the actual screen size
[TS]
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of the bigger TV without it looking that
[TS]
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much bigger so it's almost like we've
[TS]
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got the extra screen size like for free
[TS]
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visually but the head about the touch
[TS]
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the back though the only thing is TVs
[TS]
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have gotten a lot more full of crappy
[TS]
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►
software since I last bought a TV 10
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►
years ago or worse products through
[TS]
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►
software yeah exactly green like this TV
[TS]
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►
takes a good 20 seconds to boot I don't
[TS]
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►
know why a TV has to boot but
[TS]
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fortunately if you just put it in like
[TS]
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►
standby mode instead of turning it
[TS]
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►
because it's got away boss you have to
[TS]
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►
say it like yeah all software on TVs is
[TS]
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terrible but everyone agrees this is the
[TS]
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►
best software on TVs or close to the
[TS]
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►
best I mean there is there's some
[TS]
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►
disagreement but if you want any kind of
[TS]
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►
quote-unquote Smart TV features the
[TS]
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►
webOS things that that LG uses are the
[TS]
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►
least disgusting let's say that because
[TS]
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►
nobody does what Panasonic used to which
[TS]
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►
is completely utilitarian minimal like I
[TS]
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►
remember my first Panasonic Plasma had
[TS]
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like the volume the little volume bar
[TS]
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►
that appears and screaming you change
[TS]
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the volume mm-hmm
[TS]
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►
was really small and was jammed against
[TS]
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the bottom edge of the screen so it
[TS]
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►
obscured its little like nobody does
[TS]
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►
that now now you change the volume and
[TS]
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►
it's like a giant fairy comes out and
[TS]
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►
waves a magic wand that sparkles fly
[TS]
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►
from it and this bar from a bubbling
[TS]
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►
liquid moves forward in this pulsing
[TS]
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►
past I know my god just change the
[TS]
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►
volume the good thing is it's actually
[TS]
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►
you know even though that the software
[TS]
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►
is really kind of overbearing it is it
[TS]
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doesn't seem like it's horrible software
[TS]
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►
it's just it's software where I don't
[TS]
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►
really need there to be software but the
[TS]
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►
good thing is it also has built-in apps
[TS]
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►
for Netflix and Amazon video so every TV
[TS]
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►
has that excite no III this is this is
[TS]
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►
again like the offer people it's like
[TS]
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►
yes we know we invented those years ago
[TS]
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►
yeah I know but so it's new to me and
[TS]
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►
it's actually kind of nice and it's got
[TS]
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►
the the little accelerometer remote with
[TS]
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►
a little mouse cursor thing which I
[TS]
◼
►
thought would be terrible but having
[TS]
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►
used it it's it's actually pretty good
[TS]
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►
we have different opinions about that no
[TS]
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►
you know like it I mean the alternative
[TS]
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►
is using like a five-way pad to move a
[TS]
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►
little thing around I like the little
[TS]
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►
accelerometer of course we're thinking I
[TS]
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►
have not found it to be to have the
[TS]
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►
precision I want maybe that's just me
[TS]
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►
maybe I don't have the precision I want
[TS]
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►
but would you prefer to go tap tap tap
[TS]
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►
tap tap tap because I find it I find it
[TS]
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►
more precise than the other main thing I
[TS]
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►
use to navigate stuff on TV which is a
[TS]
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►
stupid Apple TV remote where I'm forever
[TS]
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►
trying to swipe vertically and
[TS]
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►
horizontally and that's true it's
[TS]
◼
►
misinterpreting me yeah yeah so for the
[TS]
◼
►
listeners who might have missed what we
[TS]
◼
►
were talking about here the remote to
[TS]
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►
this behaves a lot like a Wii mote where
[TS]
◼
►
the TV somehow senses I don't know if
[TS]
◼
►
it's only solar ometer or if it's also a
[TS]
◼
►
division based thing like the Wii mote
[TS]
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►
head with a little IR bar but somehow
[TS]
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►
they're remote you just wave it around
[TS]
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►
and it moves a little mouse pointer
[TS]
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►
thing on screen and it doesn't I don't
[TS]
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►
I'd say it does not work as well as a
[TS]
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►
Wii mote does in that way is it isn't as
[TS]
◼
►
precise or stable so it's fine
[TS]
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►
ultimately you know it I'm assuming that
[TS]
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►
there's gonna be a 4k Apple TV update
[TS]
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this fall once we have that 4k Apple TV
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having trying to find out how to make it
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look normal and then you just leave it
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after that so I I don't expect the
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software of this TV to matter at all to
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me you know after this way except for
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the volume control looks like when you
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TIF gets you back it's not the butt cam
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2017 edition it's giving John insight
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into how you set up the TV just come to
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our house and do it for me I mean it's a
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periscope and he's under the public eye
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and he's just fiddling around with
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things but in general what you were
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doing is exactly what people shouldn't
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do when they adjust the TV which is play
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with the settings and try to see it try
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to think does it look right turn this on
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turn this off what does this mode mean
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blah blah blah so you're never gonna
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you're never gonna arrive at anything
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that way so to first of all the thing
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that Marco knows and that everyone else
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should know is when you buy TV no matter
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where you get it from almost all the
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time it is configured badly it might
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still be in showroom demo mode where
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everything is like super saturated and
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super bright with all the effects on but
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even if it's not the sort of standard
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default modes on most TVs is not quote
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unquote accurate it's not what what the
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people who created the content we're
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expecting you to see because they're
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sort of creating it and you know
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mastering it in in a particular color
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space with the expectation things look a
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certain way the only way to get the
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television configured correctly is to
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use some sort of calibration thing
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whether it's an app or a blu-ray or
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whatever and the tricky part is the the
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place where your configuration thing
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comes from like the source affects how
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you're configuring it like if you can
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get a configuration thing to run on your
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Apple TV that will and your and your
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adjustments are per input that will
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correctly adjust the Apple TV input but
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then how do you correctly adjust the
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input that is you know if you use that
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same setting and apply it to your other
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inputs or some TVs don't even let you do
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like how do you apply that to the
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and how do you applied to one of the
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cables in or whatever that's something
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you have to sort it out in every TV but
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he did right you have to get a
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calibration thing and there's tons of
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calibration things that are out there
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they give you grayscale things they tell
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you what it should look like and then
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all sorts of color patterns and then you
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have to basically mess with the menus of
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your television to get the test patterns
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to look correct to do that to figure out
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I don't know what all these words mean I
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don't understand but what these you know
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the settings are like auto you know
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dynamic fresh dank like you know
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sometimes if you look in the manual
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they'll translate them to like the
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actual meaning but most of the time what
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you want to do is seek out on the
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one of those forums where people spend a
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million years adjusting their TVs and
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people have like basically Settings
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lists for the televisions say in order
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to get this particular exact make and
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model of television to pass a reasonable
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calibration test here's all the things I
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had to change it to and sometimes
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they'll hopefully say here's what these
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settings actually mean and this sounds
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like a long video or like I got to go to
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internet forums and scroll through like
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web bulletin boards like it's like 2003
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and just find setting packs for people
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and and download them sometimes and it's
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like here's the thing you only have to
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do this essentially once and then just
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to it you know just over every few years
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right once you get it set up and
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calibrated according to the calibration
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app and you and you kind of know what
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the settings do and you know which ones
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to how to turn everything off and what
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the different things mean mostly all you
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need to do is it just like contrast
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brightness and a few other things as the
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screen ages in it and it drifts a little
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bit and that's really the only way to do
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it you can't do it by looking at
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people's faces things that skin look
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right to you you will never do it that
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way you can't do it by looking at video
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and saying does that motion look right
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to you need to use a calibration app and
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there's tons of them out there or or you
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know calibration DVD or calibration
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blu-ray or whatever the hardest thing to
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do is cadence which you probably don't
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care about did you see if you're you
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didn't even have a blu-ray player do you
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like to see if you can have the ps4 yeah
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well do you ever watch it do you ever
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watch anything that you care is showing
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24 frames per second kids if you don't
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care about that you don't need to do it
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the hardest one to do the only way I've
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found to do that one is to use a camera
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and configure to use a shutter that's
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open for a second and run a pattern that
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you know does something over the course
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of a second and you can see if you see
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even lighting in the one second exposure
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if you don't see even lighting that
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you're seeing three to pull there pull
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down because one frame was on three
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times the frame was showing two times
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and the three times when it's brighter
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the entry times one so you get this sort
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of checkerboard bright dim bright dim
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thing that's how you know you're getting
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the wrong cadence true 24 frames per
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second cadence everything will be
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exactly equal brightness because it was
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24 frames in each one of them as shown
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you know for the same amount of time
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that's the hardest to calibrate I don't
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know how to do that with an app I just
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know I'd do it with a camera in an app
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but the other ones just you know get an
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app and easiest for you you have an
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Apple TV there are apps on the App Store
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like thx apps or whatever like go climb
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on download doesn't really matter which
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one it is they all kind of have a
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similar test pattern some of them might
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be better than others and just spend a
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day with it and it's important to
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calibrate it both during the day time at
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a night time and figure out the balance
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of brightness especially for televisions
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I don't know that oh it's not as bright
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as a LED backlit LCD but I think it's
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brighter than most plasmas but sometimes
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you have to make a trade-off between
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does this look right at night time
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versus does it look right in day and
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your television and I believe most
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televisions have an ambient light sensor
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they can be like don't worry about it
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you just calibrate it and I'll use the
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ambient light sensor to adjust the
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brightness for you sometimes you want
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that because it's helpful but other
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times it'll just screw with your
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settings so you calibrate it and then
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night comes and the ambient light sensor
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screws with all your settings and you
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can't see anything in the dark scene so
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if it's up to me I would pick a good
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medium setting and turn off all the
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dynamic stuff that this TV is gonna look
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like exactly like this all the time
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please do not dynamically adjust
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anything but anyway it's it's a lot
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harder than just let me go through the
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menus and try a few things and I think
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it's worth while I think it's worth
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adjusting because if you do if you spend
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the day adjusting it and you know maybe
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like three months later or six months
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later run through the adjustments again
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just to make sure the thing hasn't
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drifted and then like save the original
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setting and like in the middle and when
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we switch back to the other setting and
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be like oh god it's just it's terrible
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it's like it's like suddenly everything
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was you know you know that it's like a
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festival in India or something we use
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everything something everything is like
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super oversaturated it's like it doesn't
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it doesn't look right it doesn't look
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natural it looks like someone has thrown
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festive colored powders over everything
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in your television you don't want that
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just ask Merlin you know what the
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powders so did you did you just fiddle
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with controls and you like act good
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enough and that you're never gonna
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revisit it I at least did just finish
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fiddle with controls and say good enough
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I don't know if I will ever revisit it
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or not I probably will cuz we only been
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we only had like one night with it so
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far to really play with it so we will
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probably still be messing with some
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stuff I will say though that this is
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probably going to be an area of my life
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that I choose the kc path add a boy the
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path of not being very picky just one
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it's just one day pride in your case one
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day over the next ten years that you're
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going on this television just spend the
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time yeah you said it would also be one
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day doing bootcamp on Windows to set up
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the gaming fort if so come over you know
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take a day off for work that's the other
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option you can pay someone to calibrate
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it for you but I think it's a remor you
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just do yourself with an app but if if
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the next time I am at your house if you
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give me some time I will do this to your
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television because it's a service I
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provide how busy could you be just come
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tomorrow at the very least make sure you
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have the size set correctly can I at
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least convince you to do that you mean
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like I like instead of like fake over
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scanning and then uh exactly like make
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sure that it's actually showing I think
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I have it correct I haven't like tested
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anything like they can verify on the
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edges but you know how you can tell
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whether you have it correct calibration
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now this is like the first thing they're
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gonna do is like hey can you see all all
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the pixels of a 1080 in the 4k picture
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or is it cutting off the stuff around
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the border because you have fake
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overscan on alright send me send me the
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name or a link to an Apple TV app that
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do you think I should try and I will
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give it a shot yep but I really can't I
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don't think I'm gonna spend a day on it
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that seems like a lot well I I say a day
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cuz you know whatever you people but it
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could turn into a day depending on how
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obsessed you get about it let me guess
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not terribly obsessed also Marco there's
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an easy way to fix this problem stop
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that's the most easy way to the second
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most easy way and by the way I highly
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recommend that it's it's wonderful
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ignorance is list like AC where you
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can't tell what's going on anyway that's
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also that's also an easier fix but it
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also affects other parts of your life
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take your glasses off that's great but
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no the the second easiest way to fix
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this is to tell John that you have three
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dozen bagels of various varieties that
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are all on the approved bagel list and
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all he has to do is come pick them up
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from your house oh and by the way fix
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John is free time you can do it yeah
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that seems reasonable I would do it for
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three dozen bagels problem solved
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alright so you happy with it again I've
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only had like one night to watch it so
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far but so far yes it is not as dramatic
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of a change as I would have guessed you
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know maybe if we don't if we went all
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the way to 65 it might have been it if
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you went from a crappy LCD to this it
[TS]
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would be you're just used to black
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levels that are reasonable anyway but I
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mean I feel although I obviously have
[TS]
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many more sense into this than most
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people but when I went from my previous
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Panasonic Plasma to my current Panasonic
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Plasma I was startled by how much better
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the black levels improved Justin like
[TS]
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when you turn it on it's not like a logo
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like or whatever on a black background
[TS]
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and I could tell wow this is you know in
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my opinion quote unquote dramatically
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better than my previous plasma but if
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you had gone from LCD to OLED and you
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turn on the LCD and it just you know
[TS]
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like whatever Samsung and then a black
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background and this thing it turns it on
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that says LG and a black background you
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would be startled by exactly how black
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it is but going from plasma maybe not as
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startling to maybe you don't notice much
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although I have to say your plasma is
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old enough that it is you know still
[TS]
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several generations behind the best
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plasmas got before like plasmas went
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away so right because because I got so
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big I could I couldn't upgrade yeah yeah
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but but like yeah and also like I've
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seen very little 4k content on it so far
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because there just isn't that like right
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now the only way I had to get 4k in
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there is the built-in Netflix and Amazon
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apps the Amazon app I had a very hard
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time getting it to show me anything in
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4k the Grand Tour no it showed me Grand
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Tour in HDR but 1080p for some reason
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like I couldn't get it to set me up to
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4k I don't know I don't know why maybe
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it's the settings I couldn't file it in
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the settings couldn't find anywhere
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I did I was able to see real 4k with
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Netflix and well I watched a little bit
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house of cards and so that was nice but
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house of cards is a pretty dreary gray
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show it's like like there's so many ways
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yes so III wasn't able to really see
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like you know what is like a beautiful
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nature scene like I want like the stuff
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they show on the demo reels and Best Buy
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like all the beautiful nature scenes you
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need Planet Earth just go good Wow
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I have Planet Earth but I don't know how
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to get it in 4k yeah the other thing is
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that you should look go to one of those
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viewing distance calculators it could be
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that your viewing distance and your
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television size is such that you're
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gonna have difficulty discerning 4k vs
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1080 at that combination so you're
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saying I should have gotten the 75 yeah
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well you have to use one of those
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calculators to see but I was too proud
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when I did the tape measure thing to see
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like here's where I sit on my couch in
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here so far away my television is yeah I
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would have to step up to bigger than 55
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- to really get the benefit of 4k I mean
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not that it matters like you don't have
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a choice anymore essentially you're
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really had a 4k TV whether you want or
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not we're just fine but I'm saying is
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that don't don't get hung up on the 4k
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too much until you've done that
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measurement to see can my eye even
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resolve the difference in dot pitch
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essentially between 1080 and 4k at this
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size television of this distance well
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and isn't it isn't just about like being
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able to resolve individual pixels you
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know like you can you can look at the
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screen of an iPhone 7 and then next to
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it on iphone 7 plus the 7 plus screen
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has a much higher dpi and the 7 plus
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screen looks better and you might not be
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able to identify like oh that I can see
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pixels on this one on this one I can't
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like you can't I can't really see them
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on either of them but 7 plus is non
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native res though maybe you're just
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responding to the blurring yeah maybe
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who knows probably not but anyway so
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like and there's also HDR the different
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contrast ratios so like there's a huge
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amount of improvement to picture quality
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here that was not just the resolution
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yeah the framerate and color range
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potential framerate and color range
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differences are what you want although
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4k content especially like on Netflix is
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also very heavily compressed so you know
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you're gonna run out and buy a blu-ray
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player but if you really wanted to see
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what this television can do blu-ray is
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your highest quality the highest quality
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video that you can bring to your home
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still comes on a plastic disc which is
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sad but true but is there 4k blu-ray is
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mmm really I didn't know that can the
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ps4 non-pro do that I have no idea I
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don't even know this is one of these
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teeming away from 4k as I realize I have
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to just rip out my old set up because
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I'm pretty sure my receiver maybe it has
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4k passed through on like one of its
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inputs or whatever I just have to like I
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have to start over like 40 people in the
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chat just said no no no no none of the
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ps4 do this no please don't
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oh my god no no no so apparently I have
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to get an Xbox one s x1x
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but I don't know what that is don't you
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or you could just get a blu-ray player
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they're pretty cheap and you can get
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players or pieces of crap I hate them so
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much I hate like blue just the the
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blu-ray spec is the worst thing that has
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ever happened to movies you know
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everyone hates it but it still if you
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want to get like a hundred and something
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gigabytes of the highest quality video
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of your favorite movie okay the very
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least you got to get the blu-ray then
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rip it on your Mac and then find a way
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to play it losslessly off of whatever
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device you put it on which I also still
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haven't mastered because of the 24
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frames per second cadence problem as
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previously discussed although someone
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did mention this Plex valve for the ps3
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and when I revisited it and I saw Plex
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was already installed on my ps3 I think
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I already tried it but Plex changes fast
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so maybe it got fixed I don't know maybe
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the thing is like again like this fault
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when the Apple TV 4k presumably exists I
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have a feeling that's going to be my
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answer to this I think I'm just gonna
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like by 4k stuff on iTunes and call it a
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yeah you hope they have it for sale I
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know I really hope they have and I also
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I kind of hope that I can like maybe
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upgrade some things I've already bought
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like I bought Planet Earth 2 on iTunes
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and I know that is available on 4k
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somewhere and you know if I I would hate
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to have to like rebuy the whole thing at
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and like a none discounted new price to
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just get that but I probably would
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anyway because it's so good that that's
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on it like - if you really want to show
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off 4k you need like you know bright
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nature scenes but
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I uh or even just I want to see the
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Apple TV screen savers in 4k I was
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thinking look amazing
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I don't think the source video is 4k
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though it's like I've watched them so
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great I think this is 1080 like when
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you're on Ariel the screensaver on your
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Mac I'm always struck by how on the 5k
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iMac anyway I'm like ooh that's blurry
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like this looks much better I might lose
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my TV is 1080 in my 5k iMac because you
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know whatever giant resolution it is
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well that doesn't mean that the source
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is not 4k that just means that Apple is
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not publishing more than 1080 worth of
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you know stream yeah I understand like
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are they are they gonna quote they're
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gonna remaster is they gonna go back to
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the red 8k footage or whatever this
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stuff was taken from and and remake all
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those videos also if you happen to see
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the back of a truck roll by Marco from
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what I can tell Grand Tours between 20
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and 30 gigs for 4k and and there are
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trucks that haven't but how do I get
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them onto my TV in a way that actually
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can play 4k 4k content please don't make
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it the Grand Tour I know for 4k old man
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wrinkles no no I agree I agree I'm just
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trying to think of something that that
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you would potentially at least slightly
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enjoy and typically as well shot and
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pretty yes I understand your point about
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the old man wrinkles and you're right
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but I mean generally speaking it's it's
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it's visually a nice-looking show well
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anyways to get it on your TV well why
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not do can you do or you can do 4k over
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HDMI although usually it's 30 frames per
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second except in this case that'd be
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fine I mean I'm pretty sure that there
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is a new HDMI spec that this TV supports
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that does 4k 60 I think there you go I
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spent the money on it instead of after I
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got approval that I believed I had a
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narrow window of opportunity well here's
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the thing but what Marco did is like
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look if any TV is gonna support all the
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things make it the most expensive one
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and it's essentially what you did you
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didn't get the most most expensive only
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afforded that weird sound bar crap and
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everything which I agree is not a good
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idea but that's that's really all you
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can do the problem is though like
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sometimes you look at them
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most expensive one whose still doesn't
[TS]
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have support for the latest whatever
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that's just about to come out and so
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you're like okay I can't I can't buy a
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TV this year I wait till next year but I
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think you're probably safe yeah because
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it seems like that the the 4k world has
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has pretty much reach like the point
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that it's safe to buy it like we'd use I
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mean isn't a lot of people give better
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views of this TV it's like well it's the
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best picture Pali we've ever seen but it
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costs a whole jillion dollars so
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obviously it's not a barrier for you but
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for other people's like maybe maybe wait
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like maybe wait one more year or two
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more years for the same quality
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television to come down from the middle
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of the pack or whatever right and the
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other thing with the Smart TV stuff is
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over the over the years a lot of that LG
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Smart TV stuff like I don't know if they
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weren't using enough RAM or slower
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processors or whatever but that has
[TS]
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gotten faster too and it's like when it
[TS]
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first came out well it kind of works but
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in two years presumably they'll put
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better chips and their TVs and it will
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get faster and it has so I think you
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bought the you know the earliest you
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could possibly buy and still get all the
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things and all you had to sacrifice for
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it was you know a little bit of money
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and some yelling from your spouse we are
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trying to convince you / you / the
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audience to invest in a multi-channel
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audio solution no you think Sara's just
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fine I know you think you don't need a
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subwoofer and left her my channel is
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fine I mean the way I was gonna try to
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convince you was like to think about how
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how concerning it is when viewing an LCD
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screen and non-native res but that is
[TS]
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now an outdated analogy because as you
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were just saying with the 7 plus if you
[TS]
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make the pixel small off doesn't matter
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but there's no equivalent to making the
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pixel small enough in the world of audio
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so lots of these shows that you like
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including probably house of cards have
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5.1 mix like they have the six channels
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of audio maybe they have seven I don't
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know but they have they have
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multi-channel audio that's what they're
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putting out and some of them don't have
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a stereo mix so you have to take that
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5.1 and down mix it through some voodoo
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into you know you don't be Pro Logic or
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something into a stereo mix and that
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that adds stuff it adds artifacts and
[TS]
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weirdnesses that are not there like
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you're taking someone did what doesn't
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have a stereo mix I like whenever I've
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like rip DVDs and stuff there's always a
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stereo track the things that fall off
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the back of trucks sometimes on that
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stereo mix is to give this one example
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like most of the stuff I watch is legal
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like almost everything I watch is on the
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Apple TV and do I when I rip my own
[TS]
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blu-rays I don't put a stereo mix on
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them sometimes they anime thinks nice
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don't have stereo sometimes they'll be
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like stereo Japanese in 5.1 English but
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no stereo English I don't know about
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iTunes but I'm saying it's like the 500x
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is available right and a reasonable 5.1
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set up with a 5.1 mix going straight to
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it sounds better than stereo and may if
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you don't have places
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speakers I can kind of understand that
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we don't but I think you do you've got a
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big room it's great that room let me
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tell you about your house marker I I
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think you can find I mean I found places
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in my totally awful should never have
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any kind of television a carriage house
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weird thing it it it makes I didn't
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think it would be a big deal here I held
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off doing it forever I have some fairly
[TS]
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cheap cruddy 5.1 speakers it sounds so
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much better to have dedicated left right
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back you know center channel it's a big
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difference I would encourage you to if
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you I mean I know you don't care that
[TS]
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much about movies and but but these days
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TV shows have five phone line mixes it
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makes a difference five point I mean
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it's like games of Thrones or something
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a five point one mix with a subwoofer of
[TS]
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a good TV show is just plain better than
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stereo considerate is now like you
[TS]
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you've done nothing to preclude it you
[TS]
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didn't buy a TV with a weird sound bar
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which is like the worst of like let's
[TS]
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just forget about multi-channel and just
[TS]
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do some weird stuff up front and try to
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fake it out I think you have the room
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especially these very tiny speakers like
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mine are very small like I don't know
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big they are they're like the size of a
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big iPhone kind of speak you're like oh
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those can't possibly sound good they're
[TS]
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wired their passive wired you know they
[TS]
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don't need to be plugged in anymore
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they're not Bluetooth or any sort of
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other weird thing you can get those
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speakers for a reasonable price and and
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hide the subwoofer for somewhere in the
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corner and it sounds awesome consider it
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you know I don't think that either mark
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Ori is denying that it's better it's not
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that we're saying it's not better it's
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just and I'll now I'll speak for myself
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I I I would love to have that set up but
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it's not worth the energy to me to make
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it happen because to do it right I would
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have to put like wires under the floor
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and you know you don't always have to
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you just have to be a little bit
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creative like I don't have wires under
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my floor or through my ceiling right but
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you can you can find ways to make like
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the wires are smaller than you think
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they are and you can be creative with
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where you route them and I don't think
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Marco would even have to be that
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creative and worst case Marco can throw
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money at this problem and actually get
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wireless ones because
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then you know what to worry about it
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like if you if you want to spend more
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money than I was willing to spend on it
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cuz I was I was like I'm not gonna
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spending a lot of money on a 5.1 system
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I don't even know if I like this but
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since we're getting all this stuff I
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might as well try and I bought like the
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cheapest one I possibly could it was
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well rated you know if you don't want it
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if you'd want to spend a couple hundred
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bucks and get six speakers and a
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subwoofer do this and I did that and I
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was amazed and they're very small and so
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I'm not planning on replacing them with
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fancier more expensive ones but Markos
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excuse was he was tired of hooking up
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all that stuff moving from apartment
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apartment he's been in this house for a
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long time now so that excuse doesn't
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work doesn't work doesn't work in his
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room but you know again this would take
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more than a day I feel awesome so why
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are routes where to put them in places
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where you wouldn't notice them and hops
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wouldn't eat them and it would be just
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fine doesn't eat speakers my dog eats
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everything so now I'm mapping my dog on
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you can't put wires and a house dog
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leave them hops don't lick them yeah
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house will look at them and back away
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slowly because he's scared of them so
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yeah I mean and in case he's right I
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never said that surround is not good or
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better like surround I had surround for
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a long time granite this was a long time
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you know I stop hooking up the surround
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speakers at least 10 years ago and the
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the speaker set that they were part of I
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don't even own anymore so it died long
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so I know it's I know it's good but
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again I'm gonna have to pull a KC here
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and say like I just don't care like
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because most of the benefit is for
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movies but TV shows are in 5.1 now so
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I'm saying no I know but like what I
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care about is the sound should sound
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good and clear and it should be usable
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to make to fill the room with music when
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I want music in the room and a standard
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stereo set works great for that I should
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also point out I don't have a receiver
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I Drive the speaker's currently with a
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stereo with a little tiny stereo speaker
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amp that is about the
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size of like four decks of cards stacked
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like it's a really small speaker ramp
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one of these little like class D things
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and it's great and it's it has a remote
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support so the Apple TV controls the
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volume on it like there it's remote
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Clare on the IR thing like it's a great
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simple setup the TV stand that we have
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is a non-negotiable piece of furniture
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with the Historical Society discussions
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are ongoing with the Historical
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Commission receiver there is no receiver
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that exists that I have been able to
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find that will fit in this stand what I
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make a receiver the same size and shape
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as say an old Bell Telephone even the
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low end receivers have these giant cases
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now because they use the same case
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design whether you have like two or
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seven channels they just put like
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different numbers of cards in them so I
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think the solution here that we've
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learned is I just need to install a
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surround system and a receiver in the
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beach house and then have Tiff's watch a
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movie on it late at night and then
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she'll send you a text it says okay we
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can get a receiver maybe yeah well but
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but yeah so yeah I am totally fine with
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our basic stereo setup it's a really
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good stereo setup because the speakers
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are my one of my favorites the paradigm
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I love the paradigm atom speakers
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because they're like 200 bucks each so
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it's like about 400 bucks a pair and
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they are the best bookshelf speakers I
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have ever heard and I've heard many that
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it costs way more than that and they
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don't sound better like the the Adams
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embarrass everything else I've ever
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tried like they were just so damn good
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you can use them as your left and right
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channel and then only by the backs and
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the center and it's up over here's the
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problem now the new TV is just bigger
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enough that the Adams no longer fit on
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the stand next to us so I have to either
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get those you know a little pole speaker
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stands for them which I don't love that
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at that option because that seemed like
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it would be you know to me to get
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something top-heavy in a house that
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often has children running around and it
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does not seem like a good idea so I
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don't love that option also those stands
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are really expensive like and you can
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get new speakers for not not that much
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more money than those stands
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so I'm looking into for standing options
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now but it's very early in the search
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just screw some tiny little wings on to
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the edge but yeah right well if I can
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somehow like drag them behind a truck
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for a while first and like spray-paint
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them in weird ways it might distressed
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yeah yeah distress it in like the most
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hipster way possible and then it'll look
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learned about that on the upcoming
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directives just for you awesome but yeah
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so I'm now looking into like floor
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speakers but I'm probably just gonna get
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more paradigm you know paradigm makes
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floor speakers too and they're similarly
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from what all the reviews say they are
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amazing values an amazing sound quality
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foot for what you're paying so so I take
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it you didn't like measure the top
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surface of your table and the width of
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the television you didn't do this math
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beforehand so you got it you put took it
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out of the box you put it on there okay
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let me put the speakers back on you're
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like oh they don't fit pretty much I I
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did the math a year ago like with the
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TVs that were out of your eye when I
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first started when I was research I did
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it then and I knew then that I could get
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a 55 inch TV and that it would intrude
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roughly halfway into my speaker than
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either side so I knew this was never see
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I've seen this in a lot of people's
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houses to possible solutions I've seen
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in real life one put the speaker
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slightly behind the television to put
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the speakers in front of the television
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I seen both those solutions both of them
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boggle my mind those are both terrible
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solutions everything like this is fine
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like and I can't decide which is worse
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blocking the television or having
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speakers firing directly into the back
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that's I don't have a hard time figuring
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that out too I think I mean either way
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you're making something stuck terribly
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so yeah I don't know these bookshelf
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speakers that you love are they super
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expensive let me look at them no the 200
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bucks each so a pair of four bookshelf
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speakers made by a company that had that
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is like respected in the world of
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speakers 400 bucks for a pair is not
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incredibly expensive my whole set of
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speakers was like four hundred dollars
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it's six speakers for that price
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speakers our speakers are kind of like
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watches unfortunately we're like you
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think if you're not like a watch person
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you don't really know how expensive
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watches are and speakers or licensed
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because how much could they cost like
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what just filled with diamonds I don't
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yeah and those you're right those are
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cheeping the grand scheme of things but
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I was thinking bookshelf speakers and
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Marco likes them maybe they're you know
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50 bucks each nope nope sorry
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but they're come on first four good
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speakers that is not ridiculous it's not
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you're right it's not it's not like
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they're $900 each but like when I hear
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bookshelf speakers I start thinking like
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oh this is for people who don't want to
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spend big money on fancy speakers so no
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because I and I have I've I've had two
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pairs over the years the second pair of
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them is on my desk these are like my
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computer speakers because computer
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speakers are the biggest ripoff in the
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world they are the worst like my entire
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time using a computer ever since I have
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had a sound card I have used regular
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speakers instead of computer figures
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every time I've tried computer speakers
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I have been dramatically disappointed by
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how crappy they sound compared to how
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regular even cheap regular speakers like
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the firt when I first started doing this
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I just had like it was like a little
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pioneer integrated stereo thing that I
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just had like in my room like like you
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know with like the two speakers and the
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big unit in the middle that has like the
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cassette deck and the CD player
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all-in-one and the whole thing was
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probably like 200 bucks I just used
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those speakers as my computer speakers
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and that sounded a million times better
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than it has I've ever heard going
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through the big receiver ething yeah the
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big yeah and the ones my desk now I have
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a second one of those tiny little like
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Class D desktop amplifiers and that
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amplifies them just fine like there are
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better ways to amplify speakers but
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they're all much larger and so you know
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but you can you can do it
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i-i've tried powered monitors and
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powered monitors sound okay but these
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paradigm atoms again they just kick
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their butts like it's not even close
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they think you sound a million times
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better and like a pair of powered
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desktop speakers is not that much
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cheaper than then these paradigms like
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you're getting into the 400 our
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territory pretty fast with those and
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they really don't sound good
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I have never I even good one
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like like from brands like like clips
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and KEF and and bows and B and O like
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you know brands that like have a lot of
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fans and I know I know I shouldn't put
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Bozeman list I'm sorry but it has a lot
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of fans like I've tried a lot of these
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at some in some cases I've bought and
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returned them cuz they were so bad like
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for whatever reason there there seems to
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be very little correlation between how
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much you pay for a set of speakers and
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how good they sound and you know
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everyone has like their one thing that
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oh I bought this one pair of these like
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60 years ago they sound great and and
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that's like once you find that it's
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really hard like to try anything else
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because you know you try something else
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and you get and it's and it's on the you
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know worst end of the spectrum I get the
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feeling you can you know anybody can
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slap together some drivers into a box of
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particle board and say they're a speaker
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manufacturer and it shows I've got I've
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been surprised by the speaker system i
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got some logitech speaker you know
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typical desktop speaker computer
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speakers for my playstation 4 and i've
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gone through a series of quote-unquote
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computer speakers on my mac and they all
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sound terrible including the ones that
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i'm currently using but like I don't I
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don't use them for anything they're fine
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like it you know they're they were cheap
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and they're okay
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but for the ps4 again I'm playing games
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there which is mostly like gunfire and
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explosions I was surprised that how good
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the two point one set up like you know
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two stereo speakers and a comically
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large subwoofer to get that all those
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explosions to sound good
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makes a big difference when you know for
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a ps4 that you're not playing on a TV
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you have a gaming monitor you know 4k
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gaming monitor 2.1 logitech speaker
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system and a ps4 so much more impressive
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than just a ps4 hooked up to someone's
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car DLC DTV playing through the TV
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speakers I don't like an wholeheartedly
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recommend the product because it's kind
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of expensive and the power button flakes
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out but I did buy a second when I got my
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ps4 Pro and I shifted by old ps4 up to
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my son's room I got a second one of the
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exact same speaker size even knowing
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that the power button is going to
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eventually flake out you just have to
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wait at the right way and then it's
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but that is saying something that like
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if you're willing to like rebuy the same
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thing a second time that that that does
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say a lot yeah and and again this is
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after years and years of terrible
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computer speakers often by Logitech
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often by the same exact company and I
[TS]
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you know I realize how much I like them
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and I went to get speakers I'm like oh
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no what if they don't make these anymore
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that's always the problem with computer
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speakers like if you find a set that you
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like and they break you they don't make
[TS]
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them anymore so but they do still make
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them and I bought a second one and you
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know one mind eventually break I will
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scavenge the the new ones from my son's
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room and use them you know it's awesome
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about buying regular speakers first of
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all they're for sale for more than like
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a year and then second of all they last
[TS]
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forever they really you know you can get
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you can get speakers that last 50 years
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like you know eventually the cones often
[TS]
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dry out and have problems but like they
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last a long time because they're just
[TS]
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passive devices with that they don't
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they don't at least if they're usually
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if they're really good there's no
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electronics in them you know they're you
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know there's a there's a there are
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circuits inside of them there's like the
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crossovers and stuff but there's not
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much there and they just last and this
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it's it's like the Mac Pro thing like
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you know like my iMac is having all
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these problems now I'm gonna have to
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like upgrade the entire computer if I
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want an upgrade but like you got to do
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some pair of speakers and if the amp
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flakes out you can just replace the amp
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if you want like bigger speakers but you
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already have an awesome amp you can
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replace the speaker it's like having
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components is turns out really nice
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which like all of our parents discovered
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40 years ago yeah speaking of my dad who
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is a huge stereo file and you know this
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because he believes in vinyl anyway
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he he has a set of Dahlquist speakers
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that I he tells me were in his dorm room
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when obviously he was effectively a kid
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now I'm sure the cones have been
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replaced on these you know and
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presumably whatever minimal electronics
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are in there have been replaced from
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time to time but to your point Marco I
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mean these are 40 ish year old speakers
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that he is still using to this day not
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as not as his primary speakers on his
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nice stereo but as as kind of as the
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surround sound system in his accessory
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setup if you will his his second setup
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yeah this stuff lasts forever nothing I
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find about speakers as I was there very
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often ugly like that I wouldn't want
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them sitting next to my computer for TV
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usually you can hide them but some of
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them especially the the fancier they get
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like even the boring ones they're just
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too just plain ugly I don't I don't know
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why speakers need to look like anything
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except for like the world's most
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understated understated rectangular
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solid like why do they need to be weird
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shaped or have things poking out of them
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or be shiny or draw any attention to
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themselves at all so and even the ones
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that are supposed to look like boring
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little cubes always have some little
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flourish or chamfer or other thing to
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make the boxes look weird and I wish
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they didn't do that well there's another
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reason why I love my paradigm atoms
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because they come with you know they
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like the black cloth grills that you can
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just stick on there and then it just
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looks like a boring speaker like it's a
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black cloth rectangle sticking on the
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front of a wooden rectangular solid like
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that's it it's very simple it comes in
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like four different colors like it is
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again it's possible to do great speakers
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it's got the wood grain if I'm looking
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at the right one here I can't cuz I
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wouldn't I would not put that next to my
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computer I have it next my computer it
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looks great and you can also get it
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without you can get it in different
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colors different finishes
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yeah they look nice with them without
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the speaker converse in the front very
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simple that would be fine but and they
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are just normal rectangular solids but
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the wood grain I don't like that's part
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of the reason my current what do they
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use I don't know what the hell they are
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they're probably like creative yeah they
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are Korea this is terrible creative
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speakers I have hooked up to my computer
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they look nice no sounds right but they
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look okay I will say one of the most
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attractive speaker things I've ever seen
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was computer speakers it was what what
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was John you would know like the those
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clear plastic carbon-carbon sticks with
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the big like lamp thing as the
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subwoofers sound sex with the big
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jellyfish subwoofer yeah yeah I like the
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subwoofer yeah that looked cool like the
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subwoofer did look like a jellyfish and
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it was really neat and clear or whatever
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but the sound sticks
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and like I said like too many holes well
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I still don't see I'm not even sure I've
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ever even heard those so I have no idea
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how they sound but I honestly think like
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that should go down in history of
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computer industrial design like that was
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so it's such a great design
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I like the cube speakers better in terms
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of visuals like you remember the g4 cube
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came with like these two little round
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balls they were just a single single
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little cone and the same kind of the
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visual language of clear but yeah and
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you can see the electronics I thought oh
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I think I mean yeah they nicely match a
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thing to sound sick so we just seemed
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seems so they look like giant octopus
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tentacles on it I know people I think I
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think is Dan Morin I think some people
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we both know got those back in the day
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and still use them as laughing to your
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point about component stuff it's like oh
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you know what other stuff do you have
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from the era of the g4 cube that you're
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still using but if they're just plain
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old speakers you can just keep using
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them because their speakers and they
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work with every Mac that you buy and
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everything works out it something like
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so many so many of like and even you
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know getting back to receivers and stuff
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so many of the receivers these days like
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the receiver is integrating certain HDMI
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standards that go out of date quickly
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certain like you know maybe it has like
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network streaming standards maybe it has
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Bluetooth or airplay or integrates with
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like Pandora I mean even even my my new
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TV now has dedicated hardware buttons in
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the remote for and ones on video and
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Netflix and that's where we're not gonna
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age that well in the grand scheme of
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things if TV still last 10 years and you
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know it's it's nice to keep things you
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know it you give up on some of the cool
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integration of like having things all in
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one that this one this one box does all
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these different things and has
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integrated you know Bluetooth Wi-Fi all
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this stuff you give up on some of that
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if you go the separate component route
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there's usually still the way to achieve
[TS]
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it use many like multiple parts but I
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feel like long term you're setting
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yourself up for a better outcome and
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this is again why I really want to wait
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for the Mac Perot tower rather than
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buying the iMac Pro this this winter
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because I like having separate
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components because most of the time in
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my life I have done things that way and
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the few times I had
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I usually come to regret it but you
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won't you buy that like from so the
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sound sticks are still available by the
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way they're still for sale this sounds
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six finally up to three sound sticks
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three by Harman Kardon really 170 bucks
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you can order them right now that's
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actually not that expensive for what
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that is yeah I mean I think they look
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cool I've never heard them so I can't
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vouch for how good they sound compared
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to anything I mean you can look at I
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mean you can see the components like
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well there's that size driver for the
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subwoofer and there's these little tiny
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drivers for the left and right speakers
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and it is what it is the other thing is
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I have a feelin this is probably a
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design that looks better in pictures
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than it does like in real life covered
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in dust and with a thing with the
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plastic faded and cracked and scratch
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the plastic holds up pretty well but I
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just don't like how it even looks in
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pictures like I like the subwoofer I
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think that's a cute design but the sound
[TS]
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sticks they look like octopus tentacles
[TS]
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and I don't like the little cheerio
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life's a life preserver bass thingies
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don't like it yeah I guess those little
[TS]
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bases aren't that great either yeah you
[TS]
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know you're ruining this for me this is
[TS]
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what do I do if I can just get the
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subwoofer and keep on your destiny
[TS]
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curiosity but filled with M&Ms pour it
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down the little you know the other funny
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part two is like you put subwoofers
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usually out of sight but the floor like
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you're not supposed to have is anywhere
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where it's visible but anything about
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some horses you can put them anywhere
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who's to say you know you put them out
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of cycles you know these big black you
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know cubes that you just want to get rid
[TS]
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of but this one is so nice put it on
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your desk and you know because humans
[TS]
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cannot localize low frequency sound as
[TS]
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well as high frequency sound does matter
[TS]
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where you put it I will say on that
[TS]
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though I greatly prefer just big
[TS]
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speakers that have their own woofers
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that can produce the low frequencies
[TS]
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well enough to the sound of little
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satellites and then one sub woofer
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somewhere in the room like I've heard
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this frame before and I also I think
[TS]
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your opinion this is based on some very
[TS]
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terrible 5.1 setups early on I don't
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know my opinion this is based on liking
[TS]
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music that's what it is really like if I
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totally agree with you that if what
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you're optimizing for is movies and TV
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sound then having a subwoofer is cooler
[TS]
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like it sounds cooler that way like you
[TS]
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get more like the big booms from
[TS]
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explosions and stuff like that but I
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don't like the way music sounds through
[TS]
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that kind of setup I think it sounds
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weird and unnatural and not how that was
[TS]
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I would rather have speakers that are
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pretty good at TV and movies and and
[TS]
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also really great at music then the
[TS]
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opposite we gotta get you yeah I mean
[TS]
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you can choose your left and rights to
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be standalone left or right channels
[TS]
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that can reduce all the frequencies I
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mean your receiver usually controls like
[TS]
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you can control like the crossover like
[TS]
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what you know you could shift the cutoff
[TS]
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of which frequencies go to the subwoofer
[TS]
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for mixes that don't separately address
[TS]
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it but if you've got left and right
[TS]
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channel speakers that can handle all the
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frequencies you don't have to send
[TS]
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anything does that whatever in the case
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where you're just playing music although
[TS]
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multi-channel music is a thing over
[TS]
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Jason Snell's house I heard was a
[TS]
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crowded house 5.1 mix it's not
[TS]
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everybody's thing but it is a thing
[TS]
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thanks folks for three sponsors this
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week betterment audible and Squarespace
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and we will see you next week
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we have a multi-channel vinyl 5.1 well
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they don't even have stereo you just get
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yours and you play them all at the same
[TS]
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time like it was The Flaming Lips did a
[TS]
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thing where you buy wasn't it you buy
[TS]
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two vinyl albums and you play them both
[TS]
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at the same time anyway let me like what
[TS]
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mm-hmm let people enjoy things John I'm
[TS]
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telling you you might enjoy a thing
[TS]
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where you get to play two records at the
[TS]
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same time double the fun
[TS]
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right it's like Doublemint gum yeah is
[TS]
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that part of the challenge is that it's
[TS]
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a you know you like the ceremony now you
[TS]
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have a physical challenge where you have
[TS]
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to drop the needle hit the drop the
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needle on the beginning track and
[TS]
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exactly the same spot exactly the right
[TS]
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time because you don't want the music to
[TS]
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be out of sync was it uh waves arica was
[TS]
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a double dare that had physical
[TS]
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challenges they actually phrased it as a
[TS]
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physical challenge that was that was
[TS]
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double dare I was gonna make that
[TS]
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reference but I didn't bother but there
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you go you got it you proud of me John I
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am all I want is for you to be proud of
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me daddy did you read it story by the
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way uh the world out there and and there
[TS]
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was the big like you know inside story
[TS]
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of double dare I think there was a
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separate story about like the video
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phone that you get as a prize and double
[TS]
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their I know exactly the video phone
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you're thinking of I don't recall having
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seen the story about that but I did read
[TS]
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and freaking loved the oral history of
[TS]
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double dare which was which was actually
[TS]
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written which is a little weird I mean I
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guess was it was um it was a real
[TS]
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mystery do you exactly but nevertheless
[TS]
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it was I think there might have been an
[TS]
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Associated like brief podcast which I
[TS]
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never bothered listening to me that's
[TS]
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what it was it doesn't matter if you are
[TS]
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a child or if you were a child of the
[TS]
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80s and watch Doubleday or on
[TS]
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Nickelodeon this is absolutely worth
[TS]
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your time it was a fantastic read and
[TS]
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now you have to find that link for the
[TS]
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show notes I already have it this is my
[TS]
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other job other than being chief
[TS]
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summarizer in chief I love double dare
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the old air was the best and that's the
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thing like I've actually said to people
[TS]
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I don't think I've ever said it on the
[TS]
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show but I've said to people in in real
[TS]
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life because apparently this isn't real
[TS]
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but anyway do you remember
[TS]
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that when you were a kid the grand prize
[TS]
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from double-dare was as already
[TS]
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mentioned a video telephone where you
[TS]
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would get two of them I believe and he
[TS]
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could put one in one person's house and
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one in the other person's house and you
[TS]
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would get like a postage stamp and
[TS]
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that's not much of an exaggeration a
[TS]
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postage stamp-sized image that had a
[TS]
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frame rate of like one new image every
[TS]
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five to ten seconds in that blew my mind
[TS]
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when I was ten or whatever and now in my
[TS]
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pocket I can have an HD call with anyone
[TS]
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on the planet anywhere I am I mean the
[TS]
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future is amazing you know what else is
[TS]
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amazing about the Future speaking of net
[TS]
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neutrality that neutrality is pretty
[TS]
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mean isn't so easy for it I think it
[TS]
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would be amazing if we maintain it I
[TS]
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think I'm not sure the future is gonna
[TS]
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be so amazing in that department so true
[TS]
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so what's going on with this why are we
[TS]
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why do we care about that today as we
[TS]
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record on Wednesday the 12th I go
[TS]
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through a net neutrality all over again
[TS]
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I think people who don't know what it is
[TS]
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or what we're talking about there is a
[TS]
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video it's a video from vihart
[TS]
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explaining the neutrality in her in
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their unique way
[TS]
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it's actually an updated version of an
[TS]
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older video which goes gets us more
[TS]
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towards Bart we're talking about this
[TS]
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again where she just took her old video
[TS]
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and then bookended it by a preface and
[TS]
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then the things that have changed this
[TS]
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is a a battle that we thought we had if
[TS]
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not one of these sort of got things
[TS]
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moving in the right direction but for a
[TS]
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variety of depressing reasons things are
[TS]
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moving back in the wrong direction in
[TS]
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these parts I'm seemingly all fronts and
[TS]
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that rally is no exception so you get
[TS]
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someone who used to be obviously a
[TS]
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lawyer for a Verizon or whatever you get
[TS]
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some industry person in to come in and
[TS]
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do something that most people the United
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States don't want which is rollback net
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neutrality to make it so that big
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amounts of money for different customers
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of the internet instead of just being a
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common carrier blah blah blah watch the
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video to have explained the the annoying
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thing about this is like you get
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fatigued like how much do I have to here
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I didn't care about net neutrality like
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didn't we go through this all where we
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all got all up in a tizzy and everyone
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write your congressperson and that seems
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like we're doing that all the time and
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how many things can I possibly care
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about and I don't you know I've heard
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about net neutrality too much I don't
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even care anymore just don't bother me
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or if you do want to do something about
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you're like well what do I do I did a
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bunch of stuff last time do I do that
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same stuff again arts Technica has a
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good article here entitled how to write
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a meaningful FCC comment supporting net
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neutrality now the depressed person in
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me who sees everything falling apart in
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this country these days thanks it
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doesn't matter how meaningful your
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comment of the FCC is because the stupid
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Verizon lawyer who's running a thing is
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going to ignore it and do whatever the
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hell big corporations want because he
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doesn't care what people want he doesn't
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care what's good for a long term
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anything all he cares about is screwing
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everything up and that's exactly why he
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was going to do his position anyway but
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if you are not in that type of dark mood
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at the moment that you read this article
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this will help you do the best that you
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can possibly do instead of just clicking
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a bunch of buttons and filling out this
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thing or how can you write a meaningful
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comment that has a chance of influencing
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things and who knows it kind of sort of
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work last time before everything started
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moving backwards again and it might work
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this time so to two links in the show
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notes one watch my hearts video for it's
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not the best explanation net neutrality
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because it's a many-faceted and she
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particularly you know a lot of times
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they pick an analogy like it's kind of
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like if this happened and you know in
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some ways it's better just straight-up
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explain it without analogy but the
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analogy huge uses is reasonably
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representative even if it does gloss
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over a lot of things and there are other
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aspects there but anyway watch that to
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have explained and it's fun and
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interesting and if you already know what
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it is but you feel fatigued by the idea
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of trying to battle against this again
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give the how to write a meaningful
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comment thing a read to see if you can
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do more than just check a box or put
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your name on a list or whatever but
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actually pour out a little bit of your
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heart and your angst and even your anger
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in the most constructive way possible
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and you know do what you can do to fight
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the same fight that we continue to be
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fighting over and over and over and over
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and over again there's also a great
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video it's only about three and a half
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minutes from CGP grey that was from the
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we were all at this exact same rodeo
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this one's from 2014 so maybe it wasn't
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the last time but you get my point
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that is also very good I've seen this by
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heart video or at least the original
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iteration thereof probably also from
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2014 which it is excellent as well yeah
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this it's it's important I think and
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well I was gonna say I think that anyone
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who really has any inkling as to what's
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going on that isn't paid by one of these
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big corporations will say net neutrality
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is the only way to go but you know then
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we elected who elected so obviously
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people think differently so anyway if
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you care about things like this podcast
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and you want to get it reasonably
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quickly and not have people get in the
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way of it maybe talk to your
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representatives about net neutrality all
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right on that by the way a lot of the
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examples they give you of like here's
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what could happen if we didn't have net
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neutrality the the difficulty is if you
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wanted to be like if you wanted to
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actually extrapolate like you get to put
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money on it like what would actually
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happen if robach neutrality it's such a
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sort of systemic boil the Frog kind of
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thing that we're already halfway through
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- that is difficult to convince people
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exactly how bad it'll be like that like
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the things that we describe are like oh
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your podcasts will download slowly right
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yeah that could happen but in general
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the powers that be that the powers that
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are lobbying behind this that want this
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you know they want to you know they want
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the net not to be neutral they're not
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that dumb they would do it in the same
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way they've done everything else like
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how do we all of a sudden wake up and
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find ourselves with only one ISP choice
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and like half the country right they did
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that slowly and insidiously by merging
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and lobbying to allow larger and larger
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companies to merge together and it's
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kind of like a thing like what do I care
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if Time Warner is purchased by whatever
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or this cable company buys out I don't
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care whatever I just want my TV like
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people don't care at that level and
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slowly these giant giant companies are
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doing things behind the scenes that is
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making people's lives like that is
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closing the door and things that can
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make people's lives materially better
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you could have faster internet access
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for less money they're like they're
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essentially taking away something that
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you've never had the Beck Progress
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essentially like and you don't know how
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cheap broadband is in the rest of the
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world and how other people have choices
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if you have a common carrier that people
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can actually compete based on price and
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features like if you've never
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experienced that it's like it's a lack
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of something like I've never known it
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could be this way therefore the lack of
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it doesn't make me feel like I'm losing
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anything but you are right that's how
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they do it and so if they made the net
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non neutral and cut all these deals and
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extorted money from as they've already
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done from Netflix to get their bits to
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carry over the wires and and startups
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that you've never heard of and never
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will hear of are not allowed to enter
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it's the big like you will not notice
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that most people will not notice the
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lack of things that you could have had
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but that is really the worst-affected
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this stuff stuff that that people that
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you will never get because competition
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has been eliminated and you know people
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in the middle are extracting value from
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everybody else and it's like you may
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have like a mid-level malaise or like Oh
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Comcast is all I can get and I hate
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Comcast but it's like oh you know I
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airlines you know I don't have a similar
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problem of monopoly and consolidation
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but anyway it's it's usually not as
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comically evil as like I was watching my
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show and they turned it off and they're
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not gonna do that right they're going to
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do it in a much more insidious way and
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they're gonna end up you know finding a
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way to continue to charge you more for
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worse service and make you feel
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powerless against it and you were like
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had it how did we even get here and like
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net neutrality is like the last bash
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literally the last one because they've
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already got everything else that I've
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subscribed there's like if we could just
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get that one last little bit and be able
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to be the gatekeeper for all Internet
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content for the last mile for everybody
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and we've already chased that all
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competition and consolidated our power
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structure we just need this last little
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bit that's why I'd like everyone is
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fighting for this to them now because
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it's not as like we're fighting for some
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sort of YouTube utopia we're just trying
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to hold on to the last shred of what we
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have in this country and I'm sure people
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listening other countries it's better
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where you are but as with many things in
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the US for historical reasons and stupid
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governmental reasons many things are
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terrible and internet access is one of
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them and so send help yeah
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that's I can't say I can't add anything
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that wouldn't be just dark and
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depressing I mean if you want to if you
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want to be optimistic as people pointed
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out like the previous head of the FCC
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was also an industry person and I mean
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and you know all we did all the public
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comment and we'd almost rallying or
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whatever eventually we did you know we
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didn't get the result we wanted of
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course that was a very different
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administration and that's where Margo
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gets depressed again and we all get the
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prostate like that was a different
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administration but anyway but the fact
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that we have made progress on this in
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the past means it is not 100% impossible
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that we can make progress on the future
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and as we've learned administration's
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every 48 years so even if we lose this
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one we could still win the war unlike
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things like supreme I can talk about
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Supreme Court justices like this these
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are things that can change with the
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administration so anyway this is this is
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a great will be great rallying people to
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political action by telling them exactly
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how useless everything positive we have
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to do it it's like it's like all we can
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do we can vote and we can register to
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vote we can vote we can be active
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politically and we can do when they call
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for Hublot comment on things in the FCC
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does publicly comment you're part of the
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public comment that's what it's for even
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if you think you're gonna be ignored do
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you think the FCC gives a crap about
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public comments like do you think like
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who in what part of the population is
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asking for any of these laws that the
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trying to shove through like no one's
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asking for this big companies big
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companies with a lot of money that's
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right there's like four companies asking
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for it zero part of the population
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asking for it you know just like so much
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else that's going on there's like no one
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is asking for this except the people
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passing the laws well there you have it
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another rousing episode of a TV enjoy
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