The Accidental Tech Podcast

229: Just Smush the Screen Somewhere


  it would shoot out about halfway like [TS]

  kind of a tongue sticking out of your [TS]

  mouth that make this little noise yeah [TS]

  and then it would pop out okay we can [TS]

  get started as always with follow-up and [TS]

  approximately one tenth of the Internet [TS]

  I counted wrote in to tell us about a [TS]

  drag-and-drop replacement if you recall [TS]

  I spoke about drag-and-drop last week [TS]

  and it was a thing where if you wiggle [TS]

  your mouse you get kind of a shelf for [TS]

  lack of a better term where you can [TS]

  store things temporarily and then drag [TS]

  them off of that shelf into somewhere [TS]

  else so it allows for allows for you to [TS]

  you know manipulate your computer rather [TS]

  than having to commit to a drag start to [TS]

  finish all in one shot and a bunch of [TS]

  people wrote in very helpfully and [TS]

  suggested you Inc which I have installed [TS]

  there is a demo outside of the App Store [TS]

  I installed it ran the demo for about a [TS]

  day realized this is pretty much as [TS]

  close to drag-and-drop as I can possibly [TS]

  get without actually being drag and drop [TS]

  and so I then purchased it for $7 from [TS]

  the Mac App Store and it is quite good [TS]

  the only basically allows you to have a [TS]

  shelf not on like drag and drop in some [TS]

  ways it's actually better than drag and [TS]

  drop because it allows you to put [TS]

  multiple things on the shelf whereas my [TS]

  recollection of drag and drop was that [TS]

  basically it was one item and that's it [TS]

  or you know like one collection of items [TS]

  basically one drag operation into the [TS]

  shelf was all you got whereas with you [TS]

  link you can put several different [TS]

  things in the shelf all at once you can [TS]

  drag them out as one unit or drag them [TS]

  out as individual units etc etc etc it's [TS]

  very very good I like it a lot protip in [TS]

  the preferences which I don't have in [TS]

  front of me and I'm not gonna try to dig [TS]

  up but there's a way to say rather than [TS]

  having the Shelf appear on one of the [TS]

  edges of the screen you can have it [TS]

  appear very near where the drag is [TS]

  happening which is a faux replacement [TS]

  for the wiggle the mouse approach of [TS]

  drag and drop which I loved so yeah [TS]

  having used doing for all of two or [TS]

  three days two thumbs up from me I [TS]

  wonder if the reason why I drag and drop [TS]

  under business was that it's impossible [TS]

  to talk about on a podcast without [TS]

  saying the animal dragon and the word [TS]

  drop not drag that and - drop [TS]

  clarify all these things but yeah it's [TS]

  it's good stuff so I definitely [TS]

  recommend it and like I said there's a [TS]

  demo if you want to try it out for a [TS]

  little bit we'll put both a link to the [TS]

  developers website where you can grab [TS]

  the demo and the App Store link in the [TS]

  show notes so a several of you wrote in [TS]

  to encourage John siracusa to talk about [TS]

  old Mac stuff which is almost as bad as [TS]

  encouraging Steven Hackett to talk about [TS]

  old Mac stuff so let's talk about old [TS]

  Mac stuff John tell me about old Mac [TS]

  menu UI if you please this is a quickie [TS]

  we talked about a last show the old Mac [TS]

  way of doing menus in the menu bar [TS]

  having to hold down the mouse button and [TS]

  many people wrote in to tell me a thing [TS]

  that I guess they think I didn't know [TS]

  but maybe other people don't know as [TS]

  well that you can continue to do that in [TS]

  case that wasn't clear from the [TS]

  discussion last show you can continue to [TS]

  use the menus the old white because of [TS]

  course that way still works like it is [TS]

  it's kind of a subset of the regular way [TS]

  so go try it right now if you want to [TS]

  feel like you're living in the days [TS]

  before I'm gonna say Mac OS 8 Mac OS 7.6 [TS]

  I don't know if someone in the chat room [TS]

  can look up when the Mac operating [TS]

  system switch to the windows style of [TS]

  clicking on menus and though they stay [TS]

  down but anyway the window I love the [TS]

  way you say it the windows style I mean [TS]

  I guess you could say it's an X Window [TS]

  System stylized some some xx windows [TS]

  manager probably did it before Windows [TS]

  and next probably did it before Windows [TS]

  I don't know anyway certainly wasn't the [TS]

  Mac style the Mac style was the Mac [TS]

  style from the very beginning anyway you [TS]

  can continue to do it the old way if you [TS]

  want to some people have you to do it [TS]

  the old way I thought I was gonna [TS]

  continue to do it the old way in the [TS]

  same way that I continued to remap [TS]

  command end to create a new folder [TS]

  because you know I tried it the other [TS]

  way didn't like it some habits die hard [TS]

  but I totally switched to the windows [TS]

  Mouse technique way as soon as they [TS]

  added it not by any conscious choice it [TS]

  just happened and that's just the way it [TS]

  is but some people wrote in to say hey [TS]

  I'm still doing it the old way so it [TS]

  works some people so anyway give it a [TS]

  try all right so to keep with the theme [TS]

  jira Cox writes in and says I'm 33 and [TS]

  have used most Mac's since the PowerBook [TS]

  160 I've never even heard of quote [TS]

  floppy Auto inject quote when would you [TS]

  use that so they talked about floppy [TS]

  Auto inject in eject Glashow floppy auto [TS]

  eject is pretty self-explanatory max [TS]

  from the beginning could eject their own [TS]

  floppy disk there was no button that you [TS]

  would press to make the disk come out [TS]

  through software through the operating [TS]

  system you would do something to make [TS]

  the disk be ejected likes like this [TS]

  couldn't select eject from the file menu [TS]

  or wherever that was and the disk would [TS]

  come popping out not all the way like in [TS]

  the Mac portable and space shooting the [TS]

  disk out because we have gravity here [TS]

  and friction that caused by that gravity [TS]

  as the floppy the floppy disk rubs [TS]

  against the lower parts of the apparatus [TS]

  but anyway it would shoot out about [TS]

  halfway like kind of a tongue sticking [TS]

  out of your mouth and make this little [TS]

  noise I've heard that noise and that is [TS]

  perfect I heard that sound a lot havoc [TS]

  having an original Macintosh with one [TS]

  floppy drive and so I would have the [TS]

  operating system on one floppy and then [TS]

  you'd have the application and the data [TS]

  on the other floppity boot from the [TS]

  operating system floppy and then you [TS]

  deject that a ghost image of that disk [TS]

  would stay on your desktop so the [TS]

  computer still knew that was there but [TS]

  you would you would eject it but not [TS]

  unmount it then you would stick in like [TS]

  say the macpaint floppy disk which could [TS]

  contain macpaint [TS]

  plus maybe five or ten of your own [TS]

  images you know the app plus your files [TS]

  and you'd have to do this floppy disk [TS]

  dance of operating system disk [TS]

  application disk or whenever the [TS]

  computer asked for it and the computer [TS]

  would ask for it by spitting out one [TS]

  disk and saying please and start the [TS]

  disk system disk and you would take up [TS]

  whatever just it just spit out and put [TS]

  the system disk in and it would ask the [TS]

  application disk back and forth and back [TS]

  and forth being able to do that the the [TS]

  floppy swap of taking out the one that [TS]

  it has Auto ejected and putting in the [TS]

  other one with one hand was a very [TS]

  important skill for Mac users then you [TS]

  could have the mouse of the keyboard and [TS]

  be doing whatever and also be flawed be [TS]

  swapping this bag of worth it got a [TS]

  little bit ridiculous in certain points [TS]

  anyway that's Auto eject [TS]

  Auto inject is the more subtle and [TS]

  therefore the the more valuable the [TS]

  attribute of Mack floppy drives which [TS]

  was when you took a disk this had to do [TS]

  with the this switching back and forth [TS]

  auto ejectment that you didn't have to [TS]

  like press a button like the disk was [TS]

  already there you just grabbed it an [TS]

  inch of the thing was already sticking [TS]

  out of the thing [TS]

  Auto inject meant when you stuck a [TS]

  floppy disk in you wouldn't have to like [TS]

  you didn't on PC shove the three and a [TS]

  half inch floppy all the way in like in [TS]

  and down kind of like a Nintendo [TS]

  cartridge right an NES cartridge like [TS]

  you didn't have to shove it all the way [TS]

  in and down right it was so much work oh [TS]

  it was just egregious Marco do you [TS]

  remember the pain we went through yeah [TS]

  what you would do instead is you you [TS]

  would push the the floppy disk in and [TS]

  just as you were getting toward sort of [TS]

  towards the end of the travel when the [TS]

  the disk the edge of this would start to [TS]

  be flush with the edge of the case the [TS]

  drive would pull the disk out of your [TS]

  hand which is a spring-loaded mechanism [TS]

  it's not like it wasn't complicated it [TS]

  would suck the disk in so you just have [TS]

  to push it in and give it a little flick [TS]

  and I would go shrink and they were just [TS]

  sticking by itself so you didn't have to [TS]

  take the disc out yourself by pressing a [TS]

  button and you didn't have to shove the [TS]

  disk all the way in and down it would [TS]

  pull the thing it's kind of like like [TS]

  the Mercedes whatever Auto soft closing [TS]

  yes of course yeah yeah but it wasn't [TS]

  soft your Mercedes is not the only car [TS]

  that offers that feature I think they [TS]

  were the first one with the s-class many [TS]

  many years ago but anyway it was not [TS]

  soft this was very very hard and thing [TS]

  and and since I had you know the only [TS]

  thing I had used before the Mac were [TS]

  five and a quarter floppies which you [TS]

  know you just slide in and turn that [TS]

  little knob thingy down right there's no [TS]

  they didn't go in and down they just [TS]

  slid directly in and they were actually [TS]

  floppy right so I had never used a [TS]

  three-and-a-half inch floppy that wasn't [TS]

  an auto inject and eject until like the [TS]

  first time like I encountered a PC they [TS]

  used that maybe it was like the ps2 or [TS]

  whatever whenever PC makers finally [TS]

  started bundling three and a half inch [TS]

  drives and it was just so gross because [TS]

  you know you got that wait for the light [TS]

  to stop blinking and press the eject [TS]

  button across your finger is that on the [TS]

  Ajax I don't know man the index I'd I [TS]

  would push it the skin and we just come [TS]

  bouncing back at me like is this thing [TS]

  broken pushed it just comes bouncing [TS]

  back like now you have to shove it all [TS]

  the way in anyway that's Auto inject and [TS]

  it was awesome I love that we've become [TS]

  like the podcast all about you [TS]

  B ports and floppy drives the most [TS]

  important parts of computing the most [TS]

  relevant for today's do you know when [TS]

  when you see a BMW driver on the road in [TS]

  there driving aggressively not using [TS]

  their turn signals and just generally [TS]

  living up to the BMW stereotype you know [TS]

  that moment what are you like you know [TS]

  what yeah those are jerks well then you [TS]

  hear Jon Stark used to talk about how [TS]

  egregious it was to use a PC floppy disk [TS]

  drive back in the 90s and you think yeah [TS]

  those Mac guys yeah they were kind of [TS]

  obnoxious about the Mac now it's hard [TS]

  not to be obnoxious when you have [TS]

  something so much better than my eyes [TS]

  just rolled right the hell out of my [TS]

  head about Auto is like these are you [TS]

  know Apple didn't make these drives like [TS]

  their source from Sony or whoever makes [TS]

  them right every PC vendor could have [TS]

  had auto eject me inject the eject part [TS]

  was you needed OS support for that [TS]

  because that was just a philosophical [TS]

  and technical difference of like does [TS]

  the OS manage when the disc is unmounted [TS]

  or does the user manage it you know what [TS]

  Microsoft chose there but auto inject [TS]

  could have been added to pcs and [TS]

  probably was on a bunch of pcs it's just [TS]

  that PC makers you know ever pension [TS]

  those pennies would not spend two cents [TS]

  to add a feature like that which in the [TS]

  days of floppy of swapping floppy disks [TS]

  was a huge quality-of-life difference [TS]

  but there's no way they would buy the [TS]

  fancier drive that would do that because [TS]

  everything had to be as cheap as [TS]

  possible [TS]

  that's my PC suck I gotta say you know [TS]

  I'm a sucker for any kind of cool like [TS]

  fancy little luxury feature but Auto [TS]

  injecting ejects just never crossed that [TS]

  barrier for me we're both the the hassle [TS]

  of pushing a floppy drive in a floppy [TS]

  disk into the drive and pushing a small [TS]

  button to eject it was never a big deal [TS]

  to me and then having it be entirely [TS]

  software based and having to do software [TS]

  eject on the Mac always was more of a [TS]

  hindrance to me and I recognized you [TS]

  know things like we even mention about [TS]

  like unmounting the disk you know I [TS]

  recognize why it's useful to have that [TS]

  be software driven or software or hepps [TS]

  offer be involved but the fact is that [TS]

  it's worse as a user to to have that be [TS]

  software based and [TS]

  have all these additional parts that [TS]

  could fail in the drive like that drives [TS]

  did not fail first of all someone asked [TS]

  that in the thing no they did not fail [TS]

  and in my entire life of Max with floppy [TS]

  drives not a single one ever failed in [TS]

  any way no part of it inject eject the [TS]

  reading no part of the drive ever failed [TS]

  I got a lot of Mac's with floppy drives [TS]

  I am curious to know that whether that [TS]

  whether on a large scale there was a [TS]

  meaningful difference in failure issues [TS]

  III feel like in my life my lifetime [TS]

  usage of max represents a large scale it [TS]

  probably does I've never heard of a PC [TS]

  floppy drive feeling it never yeah I [TS]

  mean I think it's just a generally [TS]

  reliable thing like I'm not saying that [TS]

  not auto-injector eject one failed to I [TS]

  just think it's a very very chunky [TS]

  reliable Pisa and they got so much use I [TS]

  mean you know it was like flawless [TS]

  whopping yeah Buddhists they're pretty [TS]

  they were pretty solid moving on [TS]

  Lewis Garber writes in to say that I [TS]

  guess we as an Apple considered naming [TS]

  the daemon for this is dy LD we [TS]

  considered name in the daemon dy l DD [TS]

  for a while but settled on closure D [TS]

  naming is one of the hardest problems in [TS]

  CS he's the one who gave the [TS]

  presentation or part of the presentation [TS]

  on dy LD 3 at WWC I think his last name [TS]

  is gerberg not my father's sorry anyway [TS]

  it's anyway you can watch the [TS]

  presentation and see and or hear him I [TS]

  forget if he appears in the video but [TS]

  yeah dl DD was on the table sadly not [TS]

  chosen why is that so sad cuz it would [TS]

  have been funny [TS]

  yeah alright John one should cover this [TS]

  next piece of follow up for me here's [TS]

  another difficult name you're trying to [TS]

  give me a brass first name this is a [TS]

  problem I'm gonna go with you but anyway [TS]

  this is someone linking to a blog post [TS]

  I'm assuming is where some works that [TS]

  automatic the the company that this is [TS]

  the same company that makes the box that [TS]

  you put in the old dirty bastard port on [TS]

  your cars it's it's probably something [TS]

  like the Luba milkovic wow that was [TS]

  pretty good that was Jane you cheat with [TS]

  the internet no I'm just guessing [TS]

  right I'm wrong maybe it wasn't pretty [TS]

  good anyway this was that I'm sorry I [TS]

  apologize this this thing was added like [TS]

  while those two were talking on the live [TS]

  streams I'm a little bit behind [TS]

  insurance today I talk about automatic [TS]

  how they just cut their iOS apps launch [TS]

  time in half and how do they do it the [TS]

  obviously do ld3 isn't like out for [TS]

  everybody yet they're talking about like [TS]

  their existing iOS app they did it the [TS]

  old-fashioned way based on some advice [TS]

  they got from a WWC 2016 talk was like [TS]

  hey if your app is taking a long time to [TS]

  launch and you use a lot of dynamic [TS]

  libraries actually you may be spending a [TS]

  lot of your time in the whole part that [TS]

  happens before main is called where it [TS]

  figures out all of the dynamic libraries [TS]

  and loads them and loads all their [TS]

  symbols and does all the code signature [TS]

  verification all sorts of other stuff [TS]

  that happens before your code even [TS]

  begins executing and to avoid that you [TS]

  can take all that stuff and compile it [TS]

  into one giant static framework that's a [TS]

  part of your executable and you could [TS]

  skip all those steps and that's exactly [TS]

  but is not really what you probably want [TS]

  to do because you know it's convenient [TS]

  from both a development perspective and [TS]

  also obviously when you're dynamic [TS]

  linking to system libraries it's [TS]

  necessary to not have everything [TS]

  compiled into a giant static binary and [TS]

  so they talked about in this blog post [TS]

  what they had to do to make that happen [TS]

  it will be better if they could say oh [TS]

  we don't have to all this hack that we [TS]

  did to put everything into one giant [TS]

  static library we don't have to do that [TS]

  anymore in iOS 11 because closure D not [TS]

  do al D D will do all this caching for [TS]

  us and instead on startup on the second [TS]

  time we start people to say it will ask [TS]

  closure D hey do you all look up stuff [TS]

  for us good just give us the answers and [TS]

  then we'll continue from there [TS]

  but either way it's interesting blog [TS]

  post we will link it in the show notes [TS]

  and they break it down into like how [TS]

  much time was spent doing dynamic [TS]

  library loading rebasing and binding for [TS]

  all the addresses and everything an [TS]

  other category and you can see how they [TS]

  they cut it down so people are trying to [TS]

  I guess I maybe I underestimated exactly [TS]

  how much time is spent into the dynamic [TS]

  linker for large complicated [TS]

  applications versus how much time is [TS]

  spent like in your application launching [TS]

  loading all sorts of resources other [TS]

  things like that [TS]

  all right Walter writes in any ideas how [TS]

  Apple will handle the transition to new [TS]

  file [TS]

  formats on older Mac's that don't [TS]

  support hardware encoding and decoding [TS]

  of h.265 what will happen with users who [TS]

  have a mixture of old and new devices [TS]

  like a brand new iPhone and a 4-year old [TS]

  Mac how's that gonna work well we [TS]

  already have some indication of this [TS]

  because if you happen to have installed [TS]

  the beta on your phone and I've taken [TS]

  any pictures with your phone and you [TS]

  don't have the beta on your Mac of high [TS]

  sierra then you can see what happens in [TS]

  the Photos app where it actually is [TS]

  handled somewhat gracefully it downloads [TS]

  the the hief version as the photo and [TS]

  it's it's able to show you a render of [TS]

  it as a JPEG and some kind of fallback [TS]

  mode but if it's a live photo it can't [TS]

  play it and if you try to export the [TS]

  original or do any kind of meaningful [TS]

  operation on it it says something on the [TS]

  lines of the full resolution version of [TS]

  this isn't a 4-month isn't supported so [TS]

  it actually does like you know it has [TS]

  all these he files it in the other being [TS]

  sent over from the phone wearing I was [TS]

  11 but the Mac Photos app on whatever [TS]

  version I'm running that's not High [TS]

  Sierra what is this regular regular [TS]

  Sierra when they say that now the [TS]

  exchange names every year I lose track I [TS]

  like forget entire mountains and stuff [TS]

  but anyway so that's that's how they're [TS]

  doing it so far we'll see like you know [TS]

  like they they try to be smart about [TS]

  things like in share sheets and iOS like [TS]

  they like they'll share out a JPEG or [TS]

  they'll share out you know presumably [TS]

  for video the part we share out in h.264 [TS]

  mp4 file or something like that so their [TS]

  prop there trying to be smart about it [TS]

  but in certain places it's just you know [TS]

  if you have some devices that are [TS]

  greater than some that aren't it's gonna [TS]

  be little bumps in the road like this I [TS]

  think you can't actually export h.265 I [TS]

  remember one of the sessions talking [TS]

  about that like your export options if [TS]

  you use their framework the only option [TS]

  is they just explore like a subtle way [TS]

  of encouraging you hey if you're if [TS]

  you're about to share this out somewhere [TS]

  don't even try to do h.265 this question [TS]

  though specifically about Mac's that [TS]

  don't support hardware encoding decoding [TS]

  of h.265 what will they do well we've [TS]

  seen this before with Mac's that didn't [TS]

  support hardware encoding decoding of [TS]

  h.264 back when that was a thing because [TS]

  most of them do these [TS]

  but a long time ago they didn't and the [TS]

  same thing happens with every video [TS]

  Kodak whether it's uh what was the one [TS]

  that was the cool one on the in the [TS]

  error of the blue and white g3 the cool [TS]

  video Kodak DivX no no I like the [TS]

  QuickTime one like QuickTime always had [TS]

  a choice of like what which codecs you [TS]

  want and they would add new ones of oh [TS]

  yeah it was called mob come on oh this [TS]

  is gonna kill me I mean mpeg-4 is pretty [TS]

  old like it like before h.264 there was [TS]

  a regular mpeg-4 video I know I know [TS]

  it's not what I'm thinking of it was it [TS]

  was a codec that Apple was really [TS]

  excited about and would promote as as [TS]

  their fancy the Sorenson there we go [TS]

  someone got it finally anyway [TS]

  back when Sorenson came out it's like [TS]

  what if my or you know issue six for its [TS]

  better example cuz that is hardware [TS]

  support for that what if you can't [TS]

  support well your video playback is [TS]

  choppy or you can't play it at all worth [TS]

  a damn like it you you know it will fall [TS]

  back to software so for h.265 Apple is [TS]

  supporting decoding on like every Mac [TS]

  they sell obviously and lots of old Macs [TS]

  to and there is a software fallback if [TS]

  you don't have hardware gives a lot of [TS]

  Mac's don't have our in fact most Mac's [TS]

  don't have hardware for it and will the [TS]

  software a fallback would be fast enough [TS]

  you can find out now go find h.265 movie [TS]

  in MKV you know format on off the back [TS]

  of whatever truck you want to find it on [TS]

  and try to play it and if it is [TS]

  reasonable resolution and you play it in [TS]

  like mplayer x4 Mac or whatever it will [TS]

  play fine but you'll find one that's [TS]

  like 4k or even on some things 1080p and [TS]

  you'll try to play it an N player or VLC [TS]

  or whatever and it will chop it get be [TS]

  choppy and it will drop frames and it [TS]

  will be crappy but in general I think [TS]

  there Apple software implementation of [TS]

  h.265 encoding and decoding will be just [TS]

  fine for any reasonably modern Mac but [TS]

  just like the h.264 changeover did leave [TS]

  behind some acts that could play to play [TS]

  mpeg-4 video perfectly fine in the days [TS]

  before or MPEG 2 or whatever and had [TS]

  trouble with h.264 without any hardware [TS]

  to help it out really big videos that [TS]

  will happen but it will be fine like and [TS]

  I wouldn't be worried about this if you [TS]

  if you don't remember the super painful [TS]

  transition to h2 6 [TS]

  or you also won't remember the super [TS]

  painful transmission they've just [TS]

  expired of anything h.265 transition [TS]

  won't be easier because I think we'll [TS]

  see the hardware support for a come [TS]

  online sooner because a lot of it is a [TS]

  lot of the the hardware that they used [TS]

  to do it is similar enough to h.265 [TS]

  decoding that we already have close [TS]

  analogs to it so I think the hardware [TS]

  vendors won't it won't be too painful to [TS]

  add the hardware to do a 265 decoder [TS]

  it's already in the newer chips oh and [TS]

  related to this similar questions that [TS]

  any day a chance to put in here a lot of [TS]

  people asked kind of what Marko was [TS]

  getting at for the heath stuff [TS]

  actually it's tangentially related will [TS]

  they take all the my existing pictures [TS]

  on my phone for example is a common [TS]

  question and convert them all to Heath [TS]

  to save space right because I've got you [TS]

  know I've got 100 thousand pictures or [TS]

  whatever from I've had an iPhone since [TS]

  day one they took all these pictures [TS]

  they're JPEGs he was supposed to be half [TS]

  the size will Apple convert them all I'm [TS]

  how most hundred percent sure the answer [TS]

  that is no they won't because there [TS]

  would be a quality loss now that doesn't [TS]

  mean could Apple convert them or or [TS]

  could they be a way for you to convert [TS]

  them off of course yeah this I mean [TS]

  they're your photos you could convert [TS]

  them all you could buy a third-party [TS]

  program to convert them all and delete [TS]

  the JPEGs or whatever I don't think this [TS]

  is a feature that Apple add but they [TS]

  could they could have a big button and I [TS]

  cuz as I take all my JPEGs and convert [TS]

  them and I'll accept the quality loss [TS]

  which probably won't be that big deal to [TS]

  get the space segment or whatever but I [TS]

  really don't think they'll do that [TS]

  because converting a giant library would [TS]

  take a really long time unless they did [TS]

  it server-side which is not Apple's [TS]

  forte and you will lose quality on them [TS]

  and there's lots of things I've been [TS]

  doing losing edits and other type of [TS]

  things in lossy ways like that it's [TS]

  basically a destructive operation [TS]

  converting JPEGs to teeth would be if [TS]

  you want to get space savings out of [TS]

  them would be destructive because you're [TS]

  taking a lossy compressed format and [TS]

  you're doing another lossy compression [TS]

  on top of it and even if you you know [TS]

  even if you think you won't notice any [TS]

  difference or whatever and you're [TS]

  desperate to save the space you'd be way [TS]

  better off for both your sanity and like [TS]

  tech wise to just get a phone with more [TS]

  space on it then to try to convert all [TS]

  of your things so I don't recommend that [TS]

  and I don't think Apple will do it but [TS]

  there surely some third party will so if [TS]

  you're desperate to do it you will be [TS]

  able to [TS]

  sebastian Kraus writes in to say I think [TS]

  the reason why Apple's finally [TS]

  supporting the opus codec is that [TS]

  they've announced WebRTC support for iOS [TS]

  11 and hi Sierra and opus is one of the [TS]

  required codecs so you have to support [TS]

  in WebRTC and Sebastian has provided a [TS]

  couple links to put in the show notes [TS]

  this is also why I think that opus will [TS]

  see a very high adoption rate eventually [TS]

  because every device with a browser that [TS]

  supports web RTC according to spec also [TS]

  has to support opus which was news to me [TS]

  and I thought very interesting yes the [TS]

  news to me too and and I this is very [TS]

  promising because again as much as you [TS]

  know that I'm a huge fan of mp3 the fact [TS]

  is it would be nice to have a more [TS]

  modern codec that was as what the [TS]

  support of his mp3 and was unencumbered [TS]

  as far as we know by patents and that's [TS]

  what opus is and and that it would be [TS]

  wonderful if opus had widespread support [TS]

  because it is so much better than than [TS]

  mp3 at lower bit rates that there really [TS]

  are a lot of good uses for it and and it [TS]

  really might be you know worth [TS]

  developing standards for you know for [TS]

  things like podcasters to be able to [TS]

  offer multiple versions of the same file [TS]

  in a reasonable way and have that [TS]

  supported by the tooling and the hosting [TS]

  and everything else so if opus you know [TS]

  if opus can be more what more why they [TS]

  supported it makes all of those things [TS]

  more worth doing and so I donít know [TS]

  anything about web RTC all I know is [TS]

  that it is it is potentially useful for [TS]

  things like recording podcast [TS]

  double-unders in browsers and that's [TS]

  cool I don't know if I would use that [TS]

  but it's cool so I'm glad I'm glad [TS]

  salable so anyway this is nice we'll see [TS]

  what happens my I do still have [TS]

  reservations that I'm a little worried [TS]

  about possible patent issues with using [TS]

  a free codec that has not been under [TS]

  much pad and scrutiny yet but it is a [TS]

  really good codec so any support for it [TS]

  it is probably good let's think support [TS]

  making support for a codec mandatory as [TS]

  part of a standard it's good like it's [TS]

  better than not doing that but it's not [TS]

  a guarantee that people will actually [TS]

  support it especially if it's obscure [TS]

  people could say oh well you know we [TS]

  have WebRTC support but don't bother [TS]

  with the opus support or like do a [TS]

  half-ass job of it and [TS]

  really you know like because who uses [TS]

  opus it's not a big deal [TS]

  there is no no one's going to stop us [TS]

  from shipping a web browser and claiming [TS]

  WebRTC would support when our opus [TS]

  support is terrible and crashes are a [TS]

  slower only half exists or you know [TS]

  whatever so these type of formats all [TS]

  begin with oh whether they be our opus [TS]

  or whatever Vorbis all those stuff WebM [TS]

  all these supposedly patent free formats [TS]

  that are less popular because they don't [TS]

  have some big corporation that's [TS]

  monetarily motivated to spread them [TS]

  everywhere and put them and you know and [TS]

  platform owners are less motivated to [TS]

  support them because they have their own [TS]

  things that they want to do it's always [TS]

  an uphill battle for them but putting [TS]

  putting support for it mandatory support [TS]

  for it in the specs certainly helps so [TS]

  we'll see we'll see how this shakes out [TS]

  like like apples opus support like their [TS]

  limited support for opus if we talked [TS]

  about this three years from now and they [TS]

  still have a limited support for opus [TS]

  that's not a good sign because it's it [TS]

  would show that they have you know [TS]

  WebRTC itself they might decide is no [TS]

  one's using it it's not that big a deal [TS]

  and the safari team's priority should be [TS]

  elsewhere the WebKit steams priority [TS]

  should be elsewhere so concentrated [TS]

  other standards it takes a long time to [TS]

  stop for something to go from standards [TS]

  defined by stance to about standards [TS]

  body to being implemented widely enough [TS]

  in the browser's that people use to [TS]

  actually be useful to people I mean just [TS]

  look at CSS which I think was CSS was [TS]

  finalized in 1996 or something and we [TS]

  didn't get decent browser support for it [TS]

  for many many many years way too long [TS]

  and even even when people were claiming [TS]

  CSS support it took them so long to [TS]

  actually pass like remember the original [TS]

  CSS one acid test like do you actually [TS]

  comply with all the CSS my CSS 1 specs [TS]

  like no we just comply with the parts [TS]

  that most websites use and the answer is [TS]

  no that wasn't enough but it took so [TS]

  long so here's hoping opus those better [TS]

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  fracture for sponsoring our show what of [TS]

  you would like to talk about iOS 11 in [TS]

  use and I cannot because I have not [TS]

  installed it on any of my devices [TS]

  because I am NOT a maniac and I am [TS]

  traveling later this summer and even on [TS]

  my iPad which is the most non-essential [TS]

  of non-essential devices I don't want it [TS]

  to be on my iPad until it is extremely [TS]

  stable so speaking of me being quiet I [TS]

  am going to turn this over to Marco well [TS]

  I didn't put this here but I just [TS]

  kidding you think I added the show notes [TS]

  that's the door enough no but I [TS]

  so far you know I have I put I owe s11 [TS]

  on my iPad you know in the very first [TS]

  week and I put it on my phone with beta [TS]

  2 which was now about two weeks ago and [TS]

  so far it's mostly good there there are [TS]

  some things about it I'm I'm not crazy [TS]

  about yet and I guess I'll start with a [TS]

  bed so I can end with the good like it [TS]

  like a compliment sandwich in a big [TS]

  company like this is maybe an open-faced [TS]

  sandwich anyway I don't know open-faced [TS]

  sandwiches were terrible there anyway so [TS]

  I'm not crazy about the new like giant [TS]

  text navigation bar style and that that [TS]

  isn't all the system maps and everything [TS]

  with the big header and all that white [TS]

  space that's kind of weird [TS]

  I'm also the multitasking stuff on the [TS]

  iPad takes some getting used to because [TS]

  it feels like I have to do a lot more [TS]

  swipe gestures than before to set up [TS]

  apps that like in a multi window way and [TS]

  some of those swipe tests I just maybe I [TS]

  just because I haven't done it done them [TS]

  enough some of them don't make they [TS]

  don't make a lot of sense to me like if [TS]

  like the way you have to like pull up an [TS]

  app off the dock to create it and then [TS]

  you also have to then pull it again from [TS]

  a little dragging handle to like stick [TS]

  it down I don't love the way that flows [TS]

  I'm also not a huge fan at all of the [TS]

  new Notification Center it's the way you [TS]

  have to like swipe it down now and this [TS]

  one this is on the phone on the I think [TS]

  I think it's about the same on the iPad [TS]

  but it's mainly getting them getting my [TS]

  way on the phone if I have to swipe it [TS]

  down and then it looks like your [TS]

  lockscreen even though it isn't your [TS]

  lockscreen [TS]

  and then you have to in order to see [TS]

  more notifications than like the first [TS]

  little bit you have to swipe on the [TS]

  screen again to then show like the all [TS]

  notifications view I don't know why that [TS]

  isn't just the first view I don't know [TS]

  why the extra swipe is necessary and and [TS]

  it took me a couple of days to even find [TS]

  that and and to find where is the [TS]

  clear-all notifications button and so it [TS]

  there's stuff that's now like hidden [TS]

  behind these weird gestures that seem [TS]

  like it's actually just more manual [TS]

  work than before for common tasks so I [TS]

  don't love that however other stuff in [TS]

  the OS seems great you know on the [TS]

  multitasking side on the iPad I'm just [TS]

  glad they did so much and some of it is [TS]

  not the way I would do it you know the [TS]

  weird thing about how like apps are kind [TS]

  of fixed as they're like two by two or [TS]

  they're to two time sets and you like [TS]

  you kind of can't mix and match a gnat [TS]

  between different like quote spaces that [TS]

  whole things a little weird for me but [TS]

  I'm not an iPad powered user so it's not [TS]

  really getting in my way I pet power [TS]

  users who actually have better things to [TS]

  say about using the iPad in that way you [TS]

  know people like Mike and petite Fraser [TS]

  Spears you know they they they have more [TS]

  opinions on this and I suggest listen to [TS]

  all their shows you'll put in the show [TS]

  notes if they've been talking with us a [TS]

  lot recently and so and their opinions [TS]

  seem to be fairly mixed on the thing as [TS]

  well but how like everything is kind of [TS]

  like these groups are kind of fixed and [TS]

  these in these like at pairs and napkin [TS]

  only be in one pair and here we bring up [TS]

  the same pair of apps at a time and so [TS]

  if there's there's things about it that [TS]

  are clunky but it's really cool that [TS]

  they're doing as much as they're doing [TS]

  and all that stuff I think is going to [TS]

  be way better in time now the the [TS]

  problem the problem mainly though is [TS]

  that like with any iOS beta every summer [TS]

  most of the apps that we are using are [TS]

  not taking advantage of this because [TS]

  apps can't ship versions to the App [TS]

  Store that use iOS 11 API yet Apple does [TS]

  not accept submissions of apps built [TS]

  against the beta SDK you have to wait [TS]

  for its release in the fall so the only [TS]

  way to run iOS 11 apps that actually use [TS]

  iOS 11 capabilities that aren't built [TS]

  into the system to begin with is to get [TS]

  on developers test five betas and test [TS]

  flight is wildly broken for most people [TS]

  it's 11 so that isn't happening very [TS]

  much as far as I know so there's a great [TS]

  bright future here of things like the [TS]

  new multitasking stuff the new file [TS]

  stuff the new drag and drop stuff and [TS]

  some of the new API is that that make [TS]

  developers lives a lot easier and and it [TS]

  lead to better things for users there's [TS]

  a lot of great stuff here but most of it [TS]

  is still like on the horizon and on the [TS]

  phone it makes way less of a difference [TS]

  because most of the really big [TS]

  stuff that users can actually use right [TS]

  now and start taking advantage of right [TS]

  now instead of instead of waiting for [TS]

  the summer and waiting for the fall when [TS]

  everyone's apps get updated most of that [TS]

  stuff is that there's more of that stuff [TS]

  on the iPad than there was in the iPhone [TS]

  and especially if you are a a potential [TS]

  user and an Apple notes user so that [TS]

  it's really cool for you know iPad power [TS]

  users and pencil and note people [TS]

  everyone else I feel like and that's [TS]

  kind of a mixed bag for now John I think [TS]

  I put this in because I couldn't figure [TS]

  out multitasking I was lovin but a turn [TS]

  it just be a bug where just wasn't [TS]

  working on my iPad I mentioned it last [TS]

  week but like I I was doing the things [TS]

  that you're supposed to do to like [TS]

  combine apps into sets and stuff in like [TS]

  nothing was happening and I thought I [TS]

  was just crazy but it was just about [TS]

  restarting my iPad fixed it whatever [TS]

  it's a beta about the the things that [TS]

  people can be complaining about like the [TS]

  limitations of mixing and matching [TS]

  application stuff we're getting into [TS]

  some weird territory with kind of the [TS]

  the mental model of how things work on [TS]

  an iOS like the old build model was so [TS]

  simple and so straightforward like [TS]

  especially before multitasking like it [TS]

  was just such a solid mental model that [TS]

  it was obvious to anybody using it [TS]

  they're like when you hit the big the [TS]

  one and only big button on the face of [TS]

  your device you went back to springboard [TS]

  and that's where you saw all your [TS]

  applications and when you launched any [TS]

  application your entire phone became [TS]

  that application plus or minus the [TS]

  status bar which was small enough and [TS]

  incorporated into the application enough [TS]

  that people didn't think of it the same [TS]

  way we think of the menu bar right and [TS]

  if you wanted to do anything else you [TS]

  hit the home button again to go back to [TS]

  springboard but that was it that was the [TS]

  model you know springboard application [TS]

  application springboard and obviously [TS]

  that's not viable for a sophisticated [TS]

  workflow of any kind and so we had to [TS]

  leave that in multitasking came in and [TS]

  we had the multitasking switchers and [TS]

  now we've got this little floating don't [TS]

  call the window window things and [TS]

  combining multiple applications on the [TS]

  screen at the same time kind of a tiling [TS]

  window manager but the mental model is [TS]

  starting to break down and it like what [TS]

  is what is an iOS application in its [TS]

  running State is it just represented by [TS]

  a single rectangular region [TS]

  the screen that it controls and within [TS]

  that rectangle there can be other [TS]

  floating rectangles or like the the [TS]

  model did a lot of heavy iOS users are [TS]

  asking for which seems reasonable to me [TS]

  but is super-weird is like I have [TS]

  messages alongside my text editor I also [TS]

  want messages alongside my web browser [TS]

  why can't I have two spaces or whatever [TS]

  one of which is web browser messages and [TS]

  one of is my text editor messages it's [TS]

  like well you can't do that you got to [TS]

  pick which one you want messages next to [TS]

  but if you did have it next to both of [TS]

  them the easiest way to do it would be [TS]

  like right now it's next to both of them [TS]

  but it's not two instances of messages [TS]

  it's the one and only rectangle of [TS]

  messages right and it's exactly the same [TS]

  between the two places [TS]

  presumably like this is the way they [TS]

  could implement it right I think most [TS]

  people would be fine with that they [TS]

  don't think they have two separate [TS]

  copies of messages running like one is [TS]

  signed into something different thing or [TS]

  whatever it's like this is just the one [TS]

  and only messages but it appears in two [TS]

  places it's like having two copies of it [TS]

  while the finder does all the time two [TS]

  copies at the same window on your Mac [TS]

  like this is literally the same window [TS]

  anything you do in this window exactly [TS]

  happens in real time in the other window [TS]

  like you could move things around and [TS]

  they remove it that's that would be the [TS]

  mental model the other possible model is [TS]

  no you actually have two messages [TS]

  windows but now sudden they're Ram [TS]

  implications and application development [TS]

  implication it's like wait how do I [TS]

  manage that is my application in two [TS]

  states some application no it has two [TS]

  windows this is you know uncharted [TS]

  territory in terms of API and UI for iOS [TS]

  developers to handle this you might have [TS]

  multiple instances of you running so I [TS]

  hope you can manage that internally with [TS]

  the stuff that you're doing that's not [TS]

  how I OS applications work if they have [TS]

  multiple quote/unquote windows up it's [TS]

  still within the one only rectangle that [TS]

  is owned by that application it's not [TS]

  like you have to totally divorce once um [TS]

  but both of those things I describe are [TS]

  pretty weird both from a developer's [TS]

  perspective and trying to explain them [TS]

  to user I had a difficulty trying to [TS]

  explain them right now and I don't know [TS]

  if I could explain them to someone using [TS]

  the device like this is how things work [TS]

  and yes you don't have to use like oh I [TS]

  don't have to worry about that I'm never [TS]

  gonna do this thing where I split up my [TS]

  iPad screen I'm just gonna treat it like [TS]

  my old iPad where you go to the home [TS]

  button and that that it's good that the [TS]

  iOS falls back to that model you don't [TS]

  nobody has stuff you know it all that [TS]

  swipes you don't do them accidentally [TS]

  use it just like the old iPad [TS]

  application home okay [TS]

  home it's inefficient but you can stick [TS]

  with that model but if they're going to [TS]

  try to expand iOS with most guessing as [TS]

  they should to become more sophisticated [TS]

  there should be some kind of coherent [TS]

  explainable model for how things work [TS]

  and I don't think Apple has quite hit on [TS]

  that yet as evidenced by like the the [TS]

  immediate reaction of people who are [TS]

  every iOS users like oh this is great [TS]

  but here are a couple scenarios that are [TS]

  not possible within this current [TS]

  paradigm and it is mostly just so jazz [TS]

  to have a new paradigm to even talk [TS]

  about that you know this is the [TS]

  honeymoon period but I think eventually [TS]

  a year or two from now Apple will have [TS]

  to continue thinking about this and say [TS]

  all right how how do we address that is [TS]

  there is there a new mental model for [TS]

  rectangles in iOS and how they relate to [TS]

  applications that is understandable and [TS]

  also useful and generic in the same way [TS]

  that the you know the window implicit [TS]

  windows input mouse pointer what is wimp [TS]

  stand for I forget anyway the [TS]

  traditional you know Mac user interface [TS]

  the window style user interface for PCs [TS]

  that everyone is used to and a lot of [TS]

  things you talked about Marco were like [TS]

  the edge swiping and how Notification [TS]

  Center works and all the weird gestures [TS]

  or whatever like all that is made [TS]

  necessary by the simplified iOS [TS]

  interface that doesn't have essentially [TS]

  chrome there's no menu bar the end of [TS]

  title bars there's no scroll bars and [TS]

  that that's an advantage of iOS but the [TS]

  way PC operating systems get around all [TS]

  these things is you don't have to know [TS]

  any weird gestures if you want I mean [TS]

  just look at this like Notification [TS]

  Center on the Mac it's an icon in the [TS]

  menu bar it has a privileged place on [TS]

  the menu but then put the menu bar is [TS]

  always there and an icon is the thing [TS]

  you can bring cursor over and it's like [TS]

  there's always visible interface element [TS]

  and it slides in from the right it's [TS]

  very much like an iOS interface element [TS]

  but you deal with it like a Mac [TS]

  interface element even though you can't [TS]

  actually slide it with two fingers or [TS]

  whatever to make it appear on the Mac [TS]

  there's a place for visible UI to be for [TS]

  all this stuff that's what [TS]

  is that's what you know I mean they kind [TS]

  of wanted a little in that direction [TS]

  about bringing tabs to iOS [TS]

  whereas Safari has actual tabs like [TS]

  where that was kind of weird like [TS]

  where'd that come from there's no title [TS]

  bars or scroll bars or window widgets or [TS]

  menu bar but guess what tabs appear [TS]

  they turn out to be great so maybe maybe [TS]

  some chrome will start creeping into iOS [TS]

  as a solution and we kind of do it with [TS]

  the statusbar - hey you want to zoom to [TS]

  the top of really long document you can [TS]

  tap the status bar which we cheat and [TS]

  decide is a giant button in most [TS]

  scenarios because it's convenient to [TS]

  have a thing that you can press it's on [TS]

  the screen that does an operation so I'm [TS]

  keeping an eye on this that's a lot of [TS]

  talking for a topic that was really [TS]

  based on a bug I'm using I was loving on [TS]

  my iPad and I am using the most features [TS]

  and I'm hitting a lot of the same pain [TS]

  points albeit to a much lesser degree as [TS]

  all the super heavy iOS users because I [TS]

  mean I think about this sometimes think [TS]

  about this when I was listening to one [TS]

  of those podcast you've all using my [TS]

  iPad I'm like people think of me it's a [TS]

  Big Mac head and I do love my Mac and is [TS]

  the the thing that I care about the most [TS]

  but on a day to day basis I forget I'm [TS]

  on my phone I spend more time with my [TS]

  iPad than my Mac easy when I'm not at [TS]

  work when I'm at work obvious that's not [TS]

  true and I'm work it's you know I've sit [TS]

  in front of the Mac whole day but when [TS]

  I'm not at work like on weekends I use [TS]

  my iPad way more than my Mac and my [TS]

  phone probably more than my iPad so I [TS]

  think it's just everyone's reality these [TS]

  days so I'm not I'm I even though I'm [TS]

  not what you know heavy iOS user in that [TS]

  I need to use it for my work and no [TS]

  annoyed if this thing interferes my [TS]

  ability to perform supposed to get desk [TS]

  I do spend a lot of time in it and as [TS]

  someone well versed in the ways of the [TS]

  Mac and PC style operating systems I do [TS]

  I do feel those limitations actually and [TS]

  you know a little bit of a tangent on [TS]

  that note one of the reasons why I am [TS]

  pushing myself to try to do more on the [TS]

  iPad is because if I can set things up [TS]

  in such a way that I can get more of my [TS]

  work done on an iPad that also probably [TS]

  means I can get more of my work done on [TS]

  my iPhone and my phone is always with me [TS]

  I'm always given chances where I could [TS]

  use it where I wouldn't have a chance to [TS]

  use my computer and so anything I do to [TS]

  benefit my iPad working life will almost [TS]

  certainly help my iPhone working life [TS]

  which will help my working life [TS]

  regardless of what I think of the iPad [TS]

  so it like if you [TS]

  or you know a mostly or entirely Mack [TS]

  head like John or I or Casey that is one [TS]

  reason to investigate productive options [TS]

  for yourself on the iPad is that it'll [TS]

  it'll help you in general on your phone [TS]

  to one other item I had an iOS 11 that [TS]

  has been not a stumbling block but one [TS]

  of one of the things that I felt most [TS]

  immediately and continue to feel is the [TS]

  keyboard the new keyboard and iOS 11 and [TS]

  it's mostly just muscle memory because [TS]

  using iOS keyboards for so long I've [TS]

  become accustomed to where things are [TS]

  especially like and when you type your [TS]

  passwords and stuff you kind of memorize [TS]

  the pattern of where things are right [TS]

  now an iOS keyboard like the way you you [TS]

  know like and they move stuff around the [TS]

  iOS 11 keyboard they moved lots of stuff [TS]

  around like the punctuation characters [TS]

  and how you get it special characters [TS]

  and the the flick thing where they'll be [TS]

  you can get to like the number symbol [TS]

  you know how to switch the entire [TS]

  keyboard into like number mode the [TS]

  little number is like grayed out above [TS]

  one of the letters like one over the Q [TS]

  wherever the hell it is I don't have an [TS]

  iOS 11 device in front of me and you can [TS]

  get to that by putting your finger on [TS]

  the key that you're gonna hit and [TS]

  instead of picking it up slide it [TS]

  downward and as you do that the the [TS]

  higher item on the key like slides down [TS]

  it becomes bold to indicate if you were [TS]

  to release now you go to get a one [TS]

  instead of a letter and then you release [TS]

  when I first saw that feature described [TS]

  and the WWC I thought it meant to flick [TS]

  up so as soon as I first installed iOS [TS]

  11 and I saw this keyboard I'm flicking [TS]

  up on all the keys and it's not doing [TS]

  anything yeah let's flick down and I [TS]

  think them probably makes more sense [TS]

  because as you slide them you can see [TS]

  the key cap changing of what you know [TS]

  what you're gonna get at least I'm again [TS]

  I'm doing on the iPad I don't know what [TS]

  it doesn't the phone so I do like the [TS]

  flicking things but I cannot find the - [TS]

  for the life of me I'm like where the [TS]

  hell up I'm already switched into [TS]

  punctuation mode and then I can't find [TS]

  the - I need to just not switch into [TS]

  punctuation mode and like pull down the [TS]

  X or whatever the hell it is now and I [TS]

  thought I would have remapped but I [TS]

  guess using my iPhone which is still on [TS]

  iOS 10 [TS]

  it's not allowing me to remap so I would [TS]

  say that uh for all the people haven't [TS]

  tried on iOS 11 be warned that adjusting [TS]

  to the new keyboard might take a little [TS]

  doing I just can't wait until all my [TS]

  devices are I always eleven because then [TS]

  I can just convert and just forget the [TS]

  old keyboard the new keyboard is better [TS]

  I really do like the flicking I just [TS]

  need to break myself of these old stupid [TS]

  habits of like having to switch modes [TS]

  right it's much better to just remember [TS]

  all the flick things are inflicted them [TS]

  that's great I still used it like I said [TS]

  so I'm looking forward to it and I think [TS]

  once my beach trip in August is over I [TS]

  will absolutely put whatever the latest [TS]

  beta is on on my iPad but I am not [TS]

  touching my phone with this thing until [TS]

  it's done done and I don't touch my iPad [TS]

  with it until I'm done traveling [TS]

  perfectly safe for iPads yeah and you [TS]

  hate your a pen I don't eat my iPad that [TS]

  is fake news fake news I don't hate my [TS]

  iPad I just don't love it as much as I [TS]

  used to [TS]

  IIIi don't know because when you go to [TS]

  the beach as I'm doing at some point in [TS]

  August you never know what the internet [TS]

  situation is and in all likelihood if [TS]

  there isn't internet in the house I will [TS]

  be able to tether off my phone but I [TS]

  like having the backup of my iPad which [TS]

  is on a different network and thus I [TS]

  don't want to mess with anything just to [TS]

  be safe although the last time I heard a [TS]

  podcaster talk about this it was Mike [TS]

  early and he lasted approximately three [TS]

  seconds before he caved in put iOS 11 on [TS]

  one of his 17 iPads so it's probably [TS]

  gonna happen end up happening before I [TS]

  go on this trip in August but we'll see [TS]

  well but and like you know people like [TS]

  Mike these I've had power users they [TS]

  were like desperate for Elliot to show [TS]

  any kind of you know it's like if Apple [TS]

  released the new Mac Pro in an early [TS]

  beta tomorrow and they said all right [TS]

  you can buy it now but you'll have to [TS]

  reboot it once a day I would buy it in a [TS]

  heartbeat even though it because I just [TS]

  want a Mac Pro again so badly okay I [TS]

  would jump on that market if you want it [TS]

  that bad I can stick a sticker on your [TS]

  iMac and it didn't have it's a Mac Pro [TS]

  or I can give it you know what I'll do [TS]

  I'll buy you a trash can and imports on [TS]

  the back and right I am a new Mac Pro on [TS]

  the [TS]

  front of it and you'll never know the [TS]

  difference it'll probably be just as [TS]

  quick to just take a small amount of [TS]

  tape and onto my macbook pro and cover [TS]

  up the book there we go the day new Mac [TS]

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  talk about iPhone rumors this is the [TS]

  time of year where everything seems to [TS]

  amp up and and things and the rumor mill [TS]

  seems to get ever more aggressive and in [TS]

  the last few days as we record this [TS]

  recording on the Wednesday the 5th [TS]

  there's been some more rumors [TS]

  you literally around touch ID there's [TS]

  been a lot of waffling which Marco [TS]

  doesn't know anything about about [TS]

  whether or not there will be touch ID [TS]

  where will it be will be on the front [TS]

  under the screen will be on the front in [TS]

  the chin it will be on the back how [TS]

  angry are all the Apple users going to [TS]

  be if it's on the back and/or Willy [TS]

  maybe not exist at all some in Chi quo [TS]

  has said on the new iPhone that has OLED [TS]

  which is everyone is assuming is going [TS]

  to be called iPhone Pro they're saying [TS]

  that there will not be any touch ID at [TS]

  all and instead it will use some sort of [TS]

  face detection including depth mapping [TS]

  in order to authenticate you I don't [TS]

  know how I feel about this my initial [TS]

  reaction is no that's garbage my second [TS]

  reaction is well if Apple was gonna ship [TS]

  it I'm sure it'll be fine and my third [TS]

  reaction is basically the entirety of [TS]

  this week's connected where they went [TS]

  through this that this this face [TS]

  detection thing and I think all three of [TS]

  them kind of went through all five [TS]

  stages of grief right it really was [TS]

  exactly like everything from like you [TS]

  know like the anger and all that [TS]

  eventually to the acceptance like oh I [TS]

  guess this might be better a whole show [TS]

  on it but did anybody say my face is my [TS]

  passport verify me yeah nicely done [TS]

  nicely no I don't think yes remember [TS]

  that Mike hated that movie mati I know [TS]

  it's terrible it so well the movie isn't [TS]

  terrible it's terrible that Mike hated [TS]

  it [TS]

  great movie freakin green well I didn't [TS]

  hear that episode but I thought this was [TS]

  still I say we're far enough out now [TS]

  that these rumors about what will or [TS]

  won't be on this phone are still mixed [TS]

  up as Gruber pointed out this week like [TS]

  pretty sure Apple knows what's gonna be [TS]

  on this phone at this point but we don't [TS]

  know exactly what's gonna be on it and [TS]

  so this is this is what's in the next [TS]

  week we had a whole show where we talked [TS]

  about the fingerprint scanner on the [TS]

  back and the difficulty of putting it on [TS]

  the front of the everyone seems to agree [TS]

  that the whole front of this phone is [TS]

  gonna be mostly screen so there's no [TS]

  room for an actual home button even [TS]

  though home button that doesn't move [TS]

  like on the ones on our current you know [TS]

  the iPhone 7 so it's like well if I [TS]

  can't do a fingerprint scanner on the on [TS]

  the screen they'll do it on the back but [TS]

  here are the problems with the ones in [TS]

  the back but it'll be all Android has [TS]

  them on the back of it's fine again we [TS]

  had that whole show on that topic this [TS]

  is the new twist oh never mind that [TS]

  fingerprint stuff that's passe it's just [TS]

  gonna scan your face and this this seems [TS]

  like a lot of confusion in a short [TS]

  period of time about how we're gonna [TS]

  unlock our phones so from our [TS]

  perspective on the outside of like [TS]

  people trying to leak things and and [TS]

  rumors cycling through surely we are [TS]

  getting these rumors like a six month to [TS]

  a year delay of like things that Apple [TS]

  has considered and investigated for the [TS]

  upcoming iPhone but it Apple has picked [TS]

  something and boy I'll find out why they [TS]

  and reduce their phone it's just weird [TS]

  that none of the rumors so far present a [TS]

  product that we all agree that will be [TS]

  awesome and I can't wait to have it all [TS]

  of them are like hmm well you know like [TS]

  we we talked about the fingerprint thing [TS]

  on the back or USBC on the bottom like [TS]

  you think about it and it seems kind of [TS]

  weird and there's always some downside [TS]

  and you're not sure and there could be [TS]

  cool upsides but it's to the point where [TS]

  several times over the past few months I [TS]

  found myself thinking why are we doing [TS]

  all screen on the front of the phone [TS]

  again like remind me again what we're [TS]

  getting out of this because there's a [TS]

  lot of difficulties and you know Apple [TS]

  is giving themselves lots of challenges [TS]

  right and what we heard about this you [TS]

  know the OLED all screen phone for many [TS]

  years was like oh it didn't make it this [TS]

  year because they couldn't they couldn't [TS]

  sort this stuff out right and so Apple [TS]

  won't release this until they come up [TS]

  with a way to do this and I think you [TS]

  know the iPhone 7 year was like oh this [TS]

  was gonna be here for y'all screen phone [TS]

  nope never mind it's actually you know [TS]

  they couldn't do it and they they [TS]

  couldn't get the fingerprint scanner to [TS]

  work through the thing they couldn't get [TS]

  the camera to work through the screen [TS]

  you know whatever the rumour excuse was [TS]

  it's not ready [TS]

  right but everyone seems to say this is [TS]

  the year the OLED all screen phone is [TS]

  going to come out and we're all waiting [TS]

  to see okay how did Apple solve all [TS]

  those problems and every potentially [TS]

  rumored solution seems weird the face [TS]

  recognition one seems the most Apple II [TS]

  to me because it's kind of like cutting [TS]

  the Gordian knot of having to touch your [TS]

  body to something to unlock your phone [TS]

  it's like nope no don't worry about the [TS]

  touching don't worry about it at all not [TS]

  on the front screen not on the back it [TS]

  will you know will just happen like [TS]

  magic it'll read your face and by the [TS]

  way the same depth sensors can be used [TS]

  for the fake background blur effect too [TS]

  so we you know we put the hardware in [TS]

  there and it's great and we'll use it [TS]

  for all this and it's better than a [TS]

  fingerprint because it has more points [TS]

  of recognition and so on and so forth [TS]

  but you know again I didn't listen to [TS]

  the podcast you were referring to but I [TS]

  I kind of feel the same the same [TS]

  trepidation about about something that [TS]

  requires line of sight like that I mean [TS]

  that's what everyone immediately thinks [TS]

  about it's like what about all the times [TS]

  i unlock my phone when I can't see my [TS]

  face and all the rumors like don't worry [TS]

  when it's laying on the table it'll [TS]

  still be able to see your face it's got [TS]

  a real big wide-angle lens on it it'll [TS]

  pick up your face and you know or then [TS]

  you're like well what about when I when [TS]

  I exist near the phone but I don't want [TS]

  it to a lot unlock based on my face oh [TS]

  don't worry you'll have to hit a button [TS]

  you'll have to hit a button and then it [TS]

  will do recognition or whatever like [TS]

  these are all things where you want the [TS]

  Apple magic to come in like just like [TS]

  touch ID seem like a thing that would be [TS]

  terrible and not work and Apple I'd say [TS]

  pretty much hit it out of the park would [TS]

  touch ID like it was if you told told us [TS]

  about touch I'd be like where you read [TS]

  the rumors we'd be like that could be [TS]

  cool but I've never seen that work [TS]

  really well and guess what Apple made it [TS]

  work really well and then they fixed it [TS]

  again and made it work even better [TS]

  I love touch ID I think I said him and [TS]

  the you were talking about our favorite [TS]

  tech products that the iPhone 7 was my [TS]

  favorite tech product and I love the [TS]

  fast touch ID I loved it loved it so [TS]

  much I still love it if face recognition [TS]

  makes me do the same thing think like oh [TS]

  this I thought this was gonna be a crap [TS]

  technology because no one's ever done it [TS]

  well but guess what Apple finally did it [TS]

  well and it's awesome that's the best [TS]

  case scenario if this is as good as [TS]

  touch ID just right now I'm still in a [TS]

  doubting phase yeah I I really nothing I [TS]

  have heard so far [TS]

  about facial recognition speculation has [TS]

  made me say oh that sounds better than [TS]

  touch ID like touch ID is great it works [TS]

  really well it works the vast majority [TS]

  of the time the second-generation one [TS]

  got even better and it's it's so fast [TS]

  and it does solve a lot of those [TS]

  problems like it like you mentioned like [TS]

  what if you are there but you don't want [TS]

  to authorize something like with touch [TS]

  ID you can be physically present on the [TS]

  phone but you can be presented with a [TS]

  sheet or chenna with a lock screen and [TS]

  you can decline to authorize something [TS]

  if you don't want to authorize at that [TS]

  moment with facial recognition there [TS]

  would have to be another step you'd have [TS]

  to like you know hit a button on the [TS]

  screen or something like that it's that [TS]

  there are ways this is worse you know [TS]

  touch ID works no matter how you're [TS]

  holding the phone even if the phone is [TS]

  still in your pocket you can unlock it [TS]

  with touch ID to do something you can [TS]

  unlock it as you are taking it out of [TS]

  your pocket before you are fully holding [TS]

  it up which saves time you can unlock it [TS]

  in any lighting conditions you could [TS]

  like it is it is so incredibly versatile [TS]

  and it works in so many ways that I hope [TS]

  that what we're moving to with whatever [TS]

  come whatever comes in the new phone you [TS]

  know if we're actually gonna get rid of [TS]

  touch ID which by the way I'm not [TS]

  entirely sure that I thought I want to [TS]

  believe these rumors and we'll get to [TS]

  that in a second but in in so many [TS]

  recent Apple product developments [TS]

  because so much of the low-hanging fruit [TS]

  of modern hardware has been picked [TS]

  already we we are so often having to [TS]

  make progress only by making certain [TS]

  things worse or by giving up certain [TS]

  things that we're not quite ready to [TS]

  give up yet and we do this in order to [TS]

  get the new hotness we we judge okay [TS]

  well I really want my phone to be not a [TS]

  bigger phone but to have a bigger screen [TS]

  so I guess I'll give up X Y & Z is that [TS]

  is that by the way when I asked before [TS]

  what do remind me again why we're all [TS]

  about this all screen thing is that it [TS]

  is the only one they're just like more [TS]

  more pixels that's it yeah it's fitting [TS]

  a bigger screen in a smaller phone [TS]

  that's that's what it is I'm there [TS]

  I'm thinking that there are other that's [TS]

  the main thing I think there's at least [TS]

  a couple other small potential things I [TS]

  mean that's a big thing but the [TS]

  simplification of kind of like the [TS]

  simplification of making the whole thing [TS]

  screamed with the exception of the home [TS]

  button was such a vast simplification [TS]

  over you know the Blackberry or whatever [TS]

  that going a step farther and saying [TS]

  it's just all screen is you know further [TS]

  in Johnny I've you know distilling the [TS]

  thing to its essence getting rid of [TS]

  extraneous stuff can you you know like [TS]

  you with trying to make your app with no [TS]

  settings like this is this is part of [TS]

  the drive part of the simplification [TS]

  drive and the idea that this phone you [TS]

  know the rumors was delayed because they [TS]

  couldn't pull it off but then now that [TS]

  what we're talking about is like you [TS]

  keep talking about the brow you know the [TS]

  thing like where the cameras are [TS]

  whatever because they can't get them to [TS]

  go through the screen it's like are you [TS]

  kind of like the laptops are you just [TS]

  grasping for the bigger screen on a [TS]

  smaller phone and at a certain point [TS]

  you're like look we're gonna do bigger [TS]

  screen now smartphone and we're just [TS]

  gonna do it and we're gonna make it work [TS]

  we missed last year we're gonna do it [TS]

  this year no matter what it takes and [TS]

  that doesn't doesn't excite me that much [TS]

  I have to say like it might look cool [TS]

  but I would prefer that they delay for a [TS]

  third year if they can't get these [TS]

  issues worked out and you know again [TS]

  they haven't shipped and again we have [TS]

  no idea they may have hit this out of [TS]

  the park and maybe the delay was exactly [TS]

  you know it'll be fine but I am the more [TS]

  I hear about potential compromises the [TS]

  less excited I am about I get more [TS]

  pixels in a smaller case except for the [TS]

  brow which does something to the status [TS]

  bar but anyway like that doesn't excite [TS]

  me that much I really you know and again [TS]

  it'll probably excite me a lot if [TS]

  everything works awesome but I don't [TS]

  know I was trying to think of like what [TS]

  what else did we get out of this this is [TS]

  setting aside whole life which obviously [TS]

  all did we get a lot out of OLED but you [TS]

  don't need to do and all screen phone to [TS]

  get all that so slow down what makes [TS]

  OLED so much better because I genuinely [TS]

  know nothing about this stuff blacker [TS]

  blacks you know if you're watching video [TS]

  and your thing like oh all it takes less [TS]

  power so I mean you're not lighting up [TS]

  sections on OLED screen there's it's not [TS]

  con whereas with an LCD the backlight is [TS]

  on behind the whole screen even when [TS]

  it's entirely black which is all the [TS]

  black levels are terrible because we [TS]

  don't have dynamic [TS]

  why it's on our iOS devices as far as I [TS]

  know they're not dynamics and even if [TS]

  there were then I'd like to suck because [TS]

  they're not behind every single pixel [TS]

  they're regional and so on and so forth [TS]

  anyway lower power and much higher [TS]

  contrast and the challenge is to get one [TS]

  that has [TS]

  that has [TS]

  as the color reproduction of Apple's LCD [TS]

  screens because apparently you know [TS]

  getting a p3 OLED besides Apple wants [TS]

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  hesitant to believe this rumor and the [TS]

  only reason where everyone's talking [TS]

  about this is because Ming Sheikh will [TS]

  report it and Ming Chi quo has a really [TS]

  good record but his sources tend to be [TS]

  you know supply chain sources only and [TS]

  he doesn't have a perfect record [TS]

  he often misses the story and he often [TS]

  predicts things that are wild and then [TS]

  don't come true the entire Apple rumors [TS]

  game for a few years there were [TS]

  seemingly reporting on every single [TS]

  major product launch before it happened [TS]

  you know and we all joked about you know [TS]

  Tim Cook doubling down on secrecy a [TS]

  couple years ago when he said that but [TS]

  it really does seem like that has [TS]

  happened and you know in the last year [TS]

  or two we are seeing very few [TS]

  substantial leaks and and you know even [TS]

  fewer like lead parts and everything and [TS]

  we are basing all of our discussion [TS]

  about this this year's presumed new [TS]

  iPhone on almost zero good information [TS]

  like there's almost nothing solid out [TS]

  there there are still no credible parts [TS]

  leaks and for this point in the year [TS]

  that's saying something you don't think [TS]

  those I've been keeping up with a thing [TS]

  with like the the fact that the cameras [TS]

  are arranged vertically in all those [TS]

  things I'm assuming at this point that [TS]

  that is a pretty accurate representation [TS]

  even if it's not a real parts leak yeah [TS]

  I mean III think that's plausible but [TS]

  like that's not that's not that big of a [TS]

  thing you know it has two cameras you [TS]

  can hold the phone in an orientation you [TS]

  want so if you turn the iPhone 7s or [TS]

  seven plus sideways then they're [TS]

  vertical and it still works like what's [TS]

  the big deal that means nothing and and [TS]

  the material's rumors are pretty close [TS]

  to that glass front and back with [TS]

  stainless steel rim like that seems [TS]

  pretty solid everywhere but that has it [TS]

  converged on like no one's agreeing on [TS]

  any of these things it seems like Apple [TS]

  tried a bunch of stuff for this [TS]

  generation and it also seems like nobody [TS]

  has a credible report out there that [TS]

  indicates what direction they take show [TS]

  on almost any of these issues the only [TS]

  thing people seem to agree on is that [TS]

  they're probably launching three phones [TS]

  this fall someone's gonna be OLED and [TS]

  it's got more screen for Less front [TS]

  place that probably is not gonna have a [TS]

  physical home button like I feel like [TS]

  right before the phones come out it's [TS]

  inevitable that we'll see some kind of [TS]

  parts like legit parts yeah the front [TS]

  and the back of the phone and some [TS]

  cutouts and stuff but it is really [TS]

  interesting that we haven't seen them [TS]

  yet like in most most years in recent [TS]

  times by summertime we were seeing [TS]

  credible parts leaks and not even a [TS]

  small number we're seeing like starting [TS]

  to see substantial numbers of credible [TS]

  parts leaks and I don't know if the [TS]

  phone is behind schedule or maybe it is [TS]

  just that you know the the improve [TS]

  secrecy at Apple but it really does seem [TS]

  like we have less information than ever [TS]

  it's time on this phone so when you see [TS]

  a rumor come out even from somebody who [TS]

  is a pretty good track record like [TS]

  maangchi quo or like mark gurmann I [TS]

  honestly don't believe it [TS]

  because I I don't have much reason to [TS]

  because they're still all over the map [TS]

  and again these people with you know a [TS]

  really good track record for Apple rim [TS]

  prediction is like maybe your comically [TS]

  wrong less than half the time but that's [TS]

  not a very cute record still like the [TS]

  standards for what makes a good record [TS]

  and in Apple rumors are pretty low so [TS]

  which part of this is the part you don't [TS]

  believe the the face recognition or no [TS]

  touch ID all of that patient activation [TS]

  no touch ID rear touch ID what materials [TS]

  the case our unit is gonna be made of [TS]

  what the sides of the case we're gonna [TS]

  be made of I don't buy it whether [TS]

  there's gonna be that big notch in the [TS]

  top for the cameras and stuff that [TS]

  didn't interfere with the status bar [TS]

  right now I am not confident in any of [TS]

  those rumors to say oh yeah that sounds [TS]

  likely let's talk about it as if it's [TS]

  gonna happen like I it's because there [TS]

  there really is no coherent direction [TS]

  that everything is focusing in on [TS]

  there's no direction as how the hell [TS]

  that we get this whole this complete [TS]

  screen phone to work right direction and [TS]

  and that again that is interesting and [TS]

  and we saw there were there were some [TS]

  like you know allegedly [TS]

  parce earlier from a safety inspector [TS]

  who it was inspecting u.s. customs [TS]

  packages and they look they look pretty [TS]

  questionable it's probably fake but it [TS]

  did present like an interesting idea of [TS]

  like what if the new phone looked like [TS]

  this and it looked nice [TS]

  yeah it looks plausible and it's like oh [TS]

  here's how you can here so you can cram [TS]

  a big screen that is still rectangular [TS]

  that doesn't have a weird little cutout [TS]

  on the top for the camera and stuff you [TS]

  know here's here's how you can shove a [TS]

  big screen into a phone body that is [TS]

  still not that much bigger and that's [TS]

  nice that's fine but it was probably [TS]

  fake and it were probably was a [TS]

  different phone or something like that [TS]

  you like you can't draw any real [TS]

  information on any of this any of these [TS]

  things and this year more than ever [TS]

  because everything is so all over the [TS]

  map it seems like either Apple has [TS]

  gotten so good on secrecy that these [TS]

  rumors are all based on total BS and I'm [TS]

  not to say that like you know mark [TS]

  Berman and makes you go over making [TS]

  things up but that they are really [TS]

  grasping at straws and and that they're [TS]

  they're trying really hard to extract a [TS]

  coherent story out of very minimal and [TS]

  questionable information or that this [TS]

  phone is super late and that it's not [TS]

  going to be coming out or available in [TS]

  September or October and in which case [TS]

  who knows what's going on with it but I [TS]

  think it's more likely that it is coming [TS]

  out this fall that secrecy has just [TS]

  gotten better and that they're just [TS]

  getting less and less information to [TS]

  report on and they're trying like mad to [TS]

  try to get stories out of whatever they [TS]

  have oh it's a safe bet to say that the [TS]

  new iPhone were the Typhon Pro wherever [TS]

  the held like the fancy expensive all [TS]

  screen on will be supply constraint like [TS]

  more than usual because all we've heard [TS]

  about it is things that sound like they [TS]

  would be difficult to manufacture [TS]

  because they're unprecedented as far as [TS]

  an iPhone is concerned and you know [TS]

  rumors and delays and stuff like that [TS]

  it's gonna it's gonna be hard to get one [TS]

  of those it'll be at least as hard as [TS]

  getting a gold iPhone maybe even harder [TS]

  and I guess they control that by making [TS]

  the price more cuz obviously it'll be [TS]

  more expensive than the other ones and [TS]

  maybe that will help control demand a [TS]

  little bit but I think that's that's a [TS]

  safe bet [TS]

  and for these rumors I'm not sure what [TS]

  to believe out of them all I mean [TS]

  but I will say that face recognition [TS]

  sounds like something that sounds like [TS]

  an apple style thing that it's a type [TS]

  like I said what touch ID type of thing [TS]

  that sounds cool but every time we've [TS]

  seen it done before it's been crappy but [TS]

  if it worked well would be nice to have [TS]

  doesn't mean you have to get rid of [TS]

  touch ID to do it or whatever but face [TS]

  recognition definitely seems like an [TS]

  Apple feature is it an Apple feature for [TS]

  this year I don't know but I think it [TS]

  would it would fit in well and it would [TS]

  make Apple's products better if they [TS]

  actually worked on that and got it to [TS]

  the point like they did with touch ID [TS]

  where it passes over that barrier of [TS]

  being a technical curiosity and it is [TS]

  something that just naturally becomes [TS]

  part of a life and we take for granted [TS]

  especially if it's not the only way to [TS]

  unlock your phone if you can incorporate [TS]

  all of those sensors and all the inputs [TS]

  and user preferences I can imagine a [TS]

  phone that supports face recognition [TS]

  being better than one that just supports [TS]

  touch ID if done really well so I'm [TS]

  actually I'm you know I'm actually kind [TS]

  of excited for that being true trying to [TS]

  forget things like the fire phone from [TS]

  Amazon they tried to do stuff with [TS]

  multiple cameras that was just a giant [TS]

  mess and just assuming like Apple just [TS]

  won't ship it if it's crabs [TS]

  yeah and Samsung also had face [TS]

  recognition to it and in one of their [TS]

  recent phones and and the review is all [TS]

  crapped all over because it was terrible [TS]

  and they didn't hear about it again and [TS]

  and the good thing is like that [TS]

  you know Apple can ship a phone with a [TS]

  depth sensor and just said no we're not [TS]

  doing we couldn't get facial recognition [TS]

  to earth and damn but hey guess what [TS]

  that depth sensor is still really useful [TS]

  for features that we already have it [TS]

  will make what does it call I keep [TS]

  forgetting the name of the fake depth of [TS]

  field that they they call it portrait [TS]

  mode yeah portrait mode it'll make [TS]

  portrait mode better and so that you [TS]

  know it's not a waste of hardware and it [TS]

  will not be like well look at like what [TS]

  was the time like an iPod Touch or [TS]

  something shipped with a cutout for the [TS]

  camera would go but there was no like [TS]

  this won't be like that if they have [TS]

  depth sensors in there which this could [TS]

  also be the origin of these rumors say [TS]

  they have depth sensors there I think [TS]

  they're using haven't raised a [TS]

  recognition like one thing supply chain [TS]

  doesn't know about a software I'll tell [TS]

  you that because that [TS]

  in someplace else so also you know oils [TS]

  uses deaf sensing AR kit hello [TS]

  like there's lots of reasons why the [TS]

  phone could use depth sensing on front [TS]

  and back cameras that are not [TS]

  necessarily just for this I mean they [TS]

  could be using you this M depth sensor [TS]

  just to get the portrait mode on the [TS]

  selfie camera like that's not that [TS]

  unreasonable like that that could be it [TS]

  right but the ones you have the depth [TS]

  sensor like that almost guarantees that [TS]

  they looked into face recognition cuz [TS]

  you're you're you're almost all the way [TS]

  there at that point like you've got your [TS]

  core ml you've got these machine [TS]

  learning things you've got this vision [TS]

  framework where the hell it's called [TS]

  you've got a AR kit you've got portrait [TS]

  mode like everything is already there to [TS]

  say of course Apple has been looking [TS]

  into face recognition like they've got [TS]

  all the pieces the question is oh is it [TS]

  did they did it get to the point where [TS]

  they're gonna ship it and we'll see but [TS]

  I actually I kind of hope they do have a [TS]

  working is I think it would be a really [TS]

  cool reason to try the new iPhone [TS]

  because I have some confidence that they [TS]

  won't ship it if it's crap that they'll [TS]

  ship it if it's cool and great and I'm [TS]

  just really hoping that it's not the [TS]

  only way to unlock it because that'll be [TS]

  weird like you don't what Apple doesn't [TS]

  want to happen is for its expensive [TS]

  iPhone pro like the fancy one that is [TS]

  supposed to be the object of desire and [TS]

  lust causing everybody to make that [TS]

  noise even the people who you know the [TS]

  target audience of like reddit is there [TS]

  like I do want the fanciest and best [TS]

  phone but this has weird compromises [TS]

  that are confusing me and making me [TS]

  second-guess like you wanted to just be [TS]

  like better and everything or have some [TS]

  amazing feature that you can't resist [TS]

  even if you buy it and have buyer's [TS]

  remorse and turns out not to be as cool [TS]

  as you thought before you have in your [TS]

  hands it has to look like obviously I [TS]

  want the pro like if I've got the money [TS]

  I want the fancy phone because it's the [TS]

  cool one I really can't wait to try that [TS]

  face recognition or whatever but if it [TS]

  doesn't have touch ID and like you just [TS]

  you just think about it like won't they [TS]

  get like you know I don't why I'm [TS]

  locking when it's in my pocket well you [TS]

  don't how do i lock into that dark well [TS]

  it's got IR sensor so I can see in the [TS]

  dark okay well that's cool like there's [TS]

  all the sort of negotiation that you [TS]

  have to go through to convince yourself [TS]

  that you really do want the supply [TS]

  constrain you can't actually buy one for [TS]

  three months $1500 iPhone pearl yeah and [TS]

  it's also it's entirely possible that [TS]

  they do have [TS]

  a death sensor that it is IR that it can [TS]

  work in the dark that it is using facial [TS]

  recognition technology from that company [TS]

  they bought that does that that it is [TS]

  part of AR it's possible that's doing [TS]

  all those things but just isn't being [TS]

  used to unlock your phone like that is [TS]

  open that can all tell you if you're a [TS]

  hot dog or not that's right yeah I [TS]

  thought you're not like all of this [TS]

  could be them just you know adding all [TS]

  this technology for other uses for [TS]

  portrait mode for face recognition in [TS]

  the Photos app for AR Li there are so [TS]

  many other reasons that they could use [TS]

  all these technologies all these sensors [TS]

  and have them all work together to make [TS]

  cool features that people want they can [TS]

  do all of that and also decide you know [TS]

  what this isn't actually good enough for [TS]

  unlocking your phone and you know [TS]

  proving secureness for you know [TS]

  purchases and stuff but we're gonna ship [TS]

  all this stuff anyway because it's [TS]

  useful for all this other great stuff [TS]

  like that that is totally a thing so I'm [TS]

  guessing this is this is two different [TS]

  things that don't follow like it may be [TS]

  some analyst or rumor reporter got info [TS]

  this has apples building and facial [TS]

  recognition and maybe they also got info [TS]

  that we all heard months ago that said [TS]

  touch ID under the screen is proven to [TS]

  be difficult but that might not mean [TS]

  that they are canceling touch ID and [TS]

  using face recognition instead like [TS]

  those are separate things and that [TS]

  conclusion might not be the correct [TS]

  conclusion to draw from those two [TS]

  possibly totally independent pieces of [TS]

  information one more thing in the world [TS]

  of security and everything the whole [TS]

  idea of like that you can be compelled [TS]

  to unlock your phone with touch ID [TS]

  because of US law like they can they can [TS]

  push you you you know you they can just [TS]

  take your finger and put it on there in [TS]

  the same way they can take your finger [TS]

  and put it on an ink pad or whatever [TS]

  I don't think facial recognition changes [TS]

  that it just makes it even easier they [TS]

  don't even have they just have to hold [TS]

  the phone up to your face and you know [TS]

  can't turn your head away and guess what [TS]

  you just unlock your phone with your [TS]

  face so all the same all the same [TS]

  protocols apply to you know locking your [TS]

  phone so it requires your passcode and [TS]

  using a sophisticated passcode and all [TS]

  that stuff [TS]

  I don't think facial recognition changes [TS]

  that but just like your finger your face [TS]

  is your face your finger is your finger [TS]

  we talked about this before if your [TS]

  biometrics are compromised and you can [TS]

  compromise fingerprints [TS]

  you can lift them you can compromise [TS]

  faces you can fake them even if faces [TS]

  are better than fingerprints if someone [TS]

  is sufficiently motivated they can do [TS]

  this so you know as in all cases like no [TS]

  no the protocol if you find if you're [TS]

  gonna be in a situation where you don't [TS]

  want to involuntarily unlock your phone [TS]

  no the correct protocols to get it at [TS]

  the point where it demands your very [TS]

  arbitrary length alphanumeric password [TS]

  to be unlocked and you know continue to [TS]

  do those the really funny part is that [TS]

  somebody could like if the iPhone has [TS]

  all these technologies to measure like [TS]

  the depths of your face and everything [TS]

  the iPhone itself could be a wonderful [TS]

  tool to use to capture other people's [TS]

  faces to make clone models of also make [TS]

  them like I'm sure they have like heat [TS]

  signatures you'd have to make it like a [TS]

  like a fleshy [TS]

  you know hot thing that has to it would [TS]

  be a little bit more complicated but you [TS]

  know it could be done but yeah you're [TS]

  right they are giving you the tools and [TS]

  technology to do at least the depth part [TS]

  of it although presumably bad actors [TS]

  could get a fancier def sensor than one [TS]

  that fits inside a phone but who knows [TS]

  that feels pretty good this type of [TS]

  stuff on the face recognition another [TS]

  mark oh you didn't say regardless of [TS]

  whether you know like whether you think [TS]

  this is true or not would you would you [TS]

  find it attractive but do you think it [TS]

  was that a cool thing that you it are [TS]

  you hoping that they did actually figure [TS]

  it out me and setting aside whether [TS]

  touch ID is there and does it sound like [TS]

  a cool thing would it would it make you [TS]

  want to get the new phone more not at [TS]

  all [TS]

  it sounds like a gimmick and whether it [TS]

  would be or not I don't know but I'll [TS]

  tell you one thing you know when Samsung [TS]

  did it it sound like a gimmick then it [TS]

  sounds like a diesel II faked and [TS]

  unreliable whether it actually is or not [TS]

  who knows [TS]

  I don't think Apple would do it if it [TS]

  was that bad but the concept as it [TS]

  sounds to me right now [TS]

  sounds like a gimmick that I don't want [TS]

  a sound like that to you at first [TS]

  they're not honest I don't remember but [TS]

  I probably know well does okay so but [TS]

  that's that's a hard comparison though [TS]

  because touch ID I think was an easier [TS]

  sell in that it was a deliberate action [TS]

  that you can control that presumably is [TS]

  is something similar to the crappy [TS]

  things that we've all experienced in our [TS]

  past [TS]

  just not crappy but in every other way [TS]

  it was predictable and understandable [TS]

  whereas right now not having seen the [TS]

  keynote not having been instructed on [TS]

  how to hold your face and how to hold [TS]

  your phone to your face and etc it's [TS]

  hard to say what this would really [TS]

  entail and on the surface I would agree [TS]

  with Marco that this doesn't sound like [TS]

  it's for me but I also agree and I think [TS]

  that this is an important point that [TS]

  Apple wouldn't ship it unless it was [TS]

  really really solid and it worked really [TS]

  really well and had thought of these [TS]

  things like what happens in the dark [TS]

  what happens when the phone isn't [TS]

  pointed square at your face what happens [TS]

  when you have sunglasses on or different [TS]

  glasses what happens when there's direct [TS]

  sunlight and you're washed out what [TS]

  happens if you want to look at your [TS]

  phone but not authorize a charge I have [TS]

  to assume that Apple will have worked [TS]

  all this out so if this really is a [TS]

  thing I'm pretty amped to try it but I [TS]

  mean I'm still kind of excited to one [TS]

  day eventually get a touch bar Mac and [TS]

  everything I've heard from almost [TS]

  everyone is that that's a gimmick that's [TS]

  a waste of time so who knew that but [TS]

  keep in mind like Apple you know Apple [TS]

  for the most part you know they've had a [TS]

  couple of stumbles here and there in [TS]

  this way but for the most part what they [TS]

  won't release something unless it works [TS]

  reasonably well so I'm not worried that [TS]

  face recognition would be you know badly [TS]

  functioning but I think the touch bar is [TS]

  a wonderful example of how they will [TS]

  release things that aren't necessarily [TS]

  compelling you know they do occasionally [TS]

  have that kind of flop and the touch bar [TS]

  I think is one of those things you know [TS]

  as time goes on and one first email [TS]

  people oh well this is kind of [TS]

  interesting I guess we'll see what [TS]

  people do with it and yep turns out no [TS]

  one's doing anything with it and it's [TS]

  not that interesting and it just doesn't [TS]

  not it's not really I don't I don't [TS]

  think it was worth what they did [TS]

  simple as that face recognition might be [TS]

  one of those things too we like I don't [TS]

  think they would release it if it was [TS]

  much less secure than touch ID like you [TS]

  know they have very good security people [TS]

  work [TS]

  for them I don't think it and touch ID I [TS]

  don't think was ever really compromised [TS]

  it in a meaningful way in the security [TS]

  sense so if they release face [TS]

  recognition as an unlock thing or secure [TS]

  thing I bet it will work fine and I bet [TS]

  it will be very secure whether it will [TS]

  actually be compelling and and cool and [TS]

  whether you will want to use it all the [TS]

  time instead of using touch ID that's a [TS]

  different story that's a big unknown [TS]

  well but if it's if if it's really what [TS]

  it promises and of course there is no [TS]

  promise yet this is all hypothetical but [TS]

  I would assume the Apple pitch for this [TS]

  would be hey this is even faster than [TS]

  touch ID and you don't even have to [TS]

  think about think about it you just [TS]

  raised to wake and then suddenly your [TS]

  phone is already unlocked well I'm gonna [TS]

  say it like the sales pitch this is [TS]

  pretty easy like Casey went through all [TS]

  the things like what about this what [TS]

  about that like there are answers for [TS]

  all those pretty easy answers for all of [TS]

  them in terms of darkness and using IR [TS]

  and being washed out and it doesn't [TS]

  matter and security and using more than [TS]

  just the depth right and the solution to [TS]

  what if I don't want to authorize is [TS]

  what you just described like pitching it [TS]

  it's a better touch ID is that it's not [TS]

  just the face it's the face and you also [TS]

  have to press the screen right the face [TS]

  then you also have to force press the [TS]

  screen there it's imagine touch ID but [TS]

  doesn't matter where the heck you touch [TS]

  or with what finger and there's no [TS]

  training you pick the phone up and you [TS]

  just smush the screen somewhere the [TS]

  bottom half of the screen used to make [TS]

  sure anywhere maybe it's anywhere on the [TS]

  screen you smushed right but that it's [TS]

  two-factor right that your face has to [TS]

  be in view and what if it's in an angle [TS]

  that is really good doesn't matter if [TS]

  it's on a super oblique angle it's very [TS]

  wide angle whatever right just needs to [TS]

  be somehow able to view your face in [TS]

  some way and you swoosh the screen and [TS]

  in use that's like the world's fastest [TS]

  most efficient touch ID is yank the [TS]

  phone out of your pocket your pocket and [TS]

  squeeze it and by the time you're [TS]

  looking at it it's unlocked because the [TS]

  combination of your face being in view [TS]

  when its head is in you hit it with the [TS]

  rock anyway [TS]

  that combination what don't worry you [TS]

  know it'll be fine I just know this time [TS]

  you got notice a reference but a bad [TS]

  impression the bonus it feels like magic [TS]

  touch ID right and it solves all the [TS]

  problems you did combined all those [TS]

  things the only one who doesn't solve is [TS]

  when it's in your pocket [TS]

  and you want unlock up but that's kind [TS]

  of a weird thing to do anyway right so [TS]

  that's why I'm excited about it because [TS]

  I can imagine a version of this with [TS]

  current technology no magic involved [TS]

  that is really awesome but I can also [TS]

  imagine like Marco said that this is [TS]

  just people getting confused about heart [TS]

  rates available and this is not coming [TS]

  this year and that would be fine too but [TS]

  I'm actually kind of excited for it I [TS]

  think it will be more like a touch ID if [TS]

  they ship it and less like a touch bar [TS]

  which I think by the way the touch bar [TS]

  works like aside from weird graphical [TS]

  glitches having to do with like weird OS [TS]

  bugs and GPU things wherever it does [TS]

  what it's supposed to do like it looks [TS]

  good yeah it feels good the [TS]

  functionality that influence is there [TS]

  it's just like oh well it turns out no [TS]

  one is super excited about that [TS]

  functionality but but it actually works [TS]

  it's not kind of like the other example [TS]

  it says like Siri where or Apple maps or [TS]

  something where they shipped it and [TS]

  maybe it was like well even for the [TS]

  thing you were trying to do you didn't [TS]

  quite pull it off and so we can't really [TS]

  evaluate this idea the value of this [TS]

  idea because you kind of screw up the [TS]

  implementation initially and eventually [TS]

  we'll get better right so we'll say [TS]

  thanks punch or three sponsors this week [TS]

  Caspar Squarespace and fracture we will [TS]

  see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over [TS]

  they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

  accidental [TS]

  was accidental Johnny research Marco and [TS]

  Casey wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

  accidentally was accidental you can find [TS]

  the show notes at ACS URL ISS so that's [TS]

  Casey list and a acción de RM ante [TS]

  Marco Arment [TS]

  are [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  a real-time follow-up windows icons [TS]

  menus and pointer wimp [TS]

  ah I always forget the eyes icons I like [TS]

  input I beam cursor what the hell icons [TS]

  who ever I gotta follow the Reverend who [TS]

  ever made that up I really hope it [TS]

  wasn't an apple or a Mac person first [TS]

  it's a bad acronym and second icons [TS]

  anyway so uh what else is going on well [TS]

  so far my 15 inch MacBook Pro is doing [TS]

  just fine [TS]

  oh actually I'm its ASCII how's your [TS]

  monitor seriously I'm not trying to [TS]

  snark so the LG 5k whatever it's called [TS]

  ultra sharp but whatever it is the LG 5k [TS]

  that Apple pushed last fall that's Dell [TS]

  Dell has ultra sharp okay sorry they [TS]

  look about the same so that it is what [TS]

  you'd expect from if Apple dictated [TS]

  quality standards for a panel but had a [TS]

  PC manufacturer actually make and sell [TS]

  the case and everything else so it is a [TS]

  beautiful screen it is just as good as [TS]

  the iMac that I had that the 2014 one [TS]

  and I'm pretty sure this also supports [TS]

  display p3 color so it's actually better [TS]

  in that spec I have not compared it [TS]

  side-by-side to a modern iMac with with [TS]

  the the newest p3 screen so I don't know [TS]

  if it's better that way or if it's [TS]

  comfortable if comp little them or if [TS]

  it's like a little bit worse who knows [TS]

  it may be on some spec event a little [TS]

  bit worse but to my eyes it looks pretty [TS]

  amazing so the panel is awesome the rest [TS]

  of the monitor itself is you know [TS]

  generic PC maker stuff it has a big ugly [TS]

  black case around it it has a big ugly [TS]

  stand the speakers are embarrassing I'm [TS]

  not even sure why it has speakers [TS]

  they're so bad and the it has some [TS]

  useful it has three USB C output ports [TS]

  on the back and it charges my laptop [TS]

  when it's plugged in so it functions 400 [TS]

  and it has a webcam up top and because [TS]

  it has a webcam up top it has this giant [TS]

  like top bezel that does not match the [TS]

  bottom [TS]

  one looks weird I have not used a webcam [TS]

  yet I don't care I probably never will [TS]

  so it's fine but as soon as Apple says [TS]

  they're making a pro display with the [TS]

  next year's macro I'm probably gonna get [TS]

  that when I get the Mac bro because this [TS]

  is again this is fine it's over me fine [TS]

  for now but it certainly does not make [TS]

  me think wow this is an amazing piece of [TS]

  computer that I have here because it's [TS]

  just so bla ugly PC hardware I was at an [TS]

  Apple store recently and I saw the 5k [TS]

  and for Kay's sitting over there and [TS]

  they just looked so incongruous in an [TS]

  Apple store like it's all his Apple [TS]

  hardware and then these big black shiny [TS]

  PC looking things [TS]

  it's gross yeah they really are gross [TS]

  like but and the other thing is the [TS]

  panel does work great it is a beautiful [TS]

  5 K panel and it does work very well [TS]

  with all the recent laptops the only [TS]

  thing I will say is that as I mentioned [TS]

  last episode with with the MacBook [TS]

  escape the the GPU performance is not [TS]

  great on it so things like moving around [TS]

  or resizing large windows you actually [TS]

  see some stuttering there and so with [TS]

  that but on the 15-inch with the [TS]

  discrete GPU it's great totally fine [TS]

  there is a minor issue with the 15-inch [TS]

  that some people point out on Twitter [TS]

  that I don't think I care about because [TS]

  I don't think I can notice it a set of [TS]

  benchmarks but if you install the Intel [TS]

  power gadget which is basically Intel's [TS]

  little extension and widget thing to [TS]

  show you your CPUs dynamic clocking and [TS]

  temperature and everything as like in [TS]

  real time as like a little graph kind of [TS]

  like activity monitor but for your CPUs [TS]

  clock speed if you install that you will [TS]

  notice that when the 15 inch is plugged [TS]

  into an external display it actually [TS]

  throttles the CPU speed more so than it [TS]

  throttles it when it's running just by [TS]

  itself weird [TS]

  I assume this is for thermal reasons and [TS]

  that's kind of BSE I don't like that I [TS]

  feel like that's kind of cheating and [TS]

  that means that if you use this computer [TS]

  like and so it has power it's getting [TS]

  powered by the monitor so it isn't that [TS]

  it has to [TS]

  conserve power it seems to be thermal [TS]

  and I tried it both with open lid and in [TS]

  clamshell mode and it seems to be the [TS]

  same so it's kind of weird that if you [TS]

  plug this computer into an external [TS]

  monitor you get worse CPU performance [TS]

  but it doesn't seem to be bi enough to [TS]

  make me care it is frustrating but I I [TS]

  think I'm gonna just deal with that [TS]

  because well and this and I this might [TS]

  only be with the high end CPU model but [TS]

  it clocks it down pretty far it clocks [TS]

  it down from like 2.9 to 2.0 when it's [TS]

  in this throttling mode so that's a [TS]

  pretty big pretty big drop but anyway [TS]

  not a big deal I don't think again I've [TS]

  haven't using for that long so ask me [TS]

  again later but I think is probably fine [TS]

  sounds like somebody needs a Mac Pro I [TS]

  do yes [TS]

  tell me about it as far as you know [TS]

  people who use laptop is their main [TS]

  machines like yeah the fan noise alone [TS]

  is such a compromise because here you [TS]

  work it hard it's connected to your big [TS]

  screen you're gonna do your big [TS]

  important work you have it plugged in [TS]

  you think everything has adequate power [TS]

  and like even if everything is going off [TS]

  without a hitch [TS]

  still the thing sounds like a dentist [TS]

  drill over there and now it's like [TS]

  throttling stuff and it's getting too [TS]

  hot and you don't want to have it in [TS]

  clamshell no because it gets too hot and [TS]

  thermal throttles itself it's just yucky [TS]

  well it's just it's weird like that [TS]

  that's the kind of problem that I would [TS]

  not expect a brand-new computer in 2017 [TS]

  to have especially a revision to of a [TS]

  new hardware design I would definitely [TS]

  expect that and honestly I actually [TS]

  considered for my needs you know being [TS]

  all weird and temporary and changing and [TS]

  needing to be portable I actually did [TS]

  consider getting on the trash can and [TS]

  just using it for the next year oh and [TS]

  if that would have been awesome for [TS]

  Casey's brain would have exploded the [TS]

  only if Apple waits long enough [TS]

  Marco will rebuy the same computer [TS]

  multiple times and really want one of [TS]

  the biggest reasons I didn't do it is [TS]

  because it can't drive a 5k display very [TS]

  easily you can drive it a non-native res [TS]

  it interested in that right or yeah or [TS]

  like you know downscaling over the wire [TS]

  then reeling it yet I've seen in the [TS]

  Apple Store it does not look right but [TS]

  if it could drive a 5k display like [TS]

  nicely I might have actually gone that [TS]

  route instead because I do love desktop [TS]

  so much and like and there's some [TS]

  weirdness with clamshell mode like it's [TS]

  mostly fine you know it's it's fine [TS]

  enough for the next year for me to just [TS]

  deal with but boy I'm gonna as soon as [TS]

  that Nye Pro comes out I'm switching [TS]

  back while I was in the Apple Store [TS]

  recently I also saw the trash can you [TS]

  know what that looks cool it does if you [TS]

  get a trash can because you did sell it [TS]

  right you did yeah I sold it and I sold [TS]

  it for enough to cover the entire [TS]

  purchase of the iMac you can actually [TS]

  sell for quite a bit less hi that's so [TS]

  so tipster in the chat and this is [TS]

  actually not the first time this has [TS]

  been suggested why don't I just buy an [TS]

  iMac and bring it to the beach and this [TS]

  is actually something that I considered [TS]

  but the fact is like it's so expensive [TS]

  to get a decked out iMac and I already [TS]

  had this 5k display and so like if I was [TS]

  starting over again maybe I might do [TS]

  that but it also for whatever reason [TS]

  like like you know when next year when [TS]

  the new Mac Pro presumably comes out and [TS]

  when I presumably buy one this laptop [TS]

  will be freed up and then I just have a [TS]

  really nice laptop if I don't do that [TS]

  then you know then it doesn't do [TS]

  anything for my laptop needs so it's [TS]

  like eight I don't know somehow I [TS]

  rationalize this to make sense but you [TS]

  me yeah yeah but I really do honestly [TS]

  like desktops are really nice that the [TS]

  port said oh I also I have already found [TS]

  a USBC dongle that I don't like I have [TS]

  the anchor one I think it actually might [TS]

  be the same when you have KC it's the [TS]

  anchor one that has three USB ports and [TS]

  Gigabit Ethernet yeah what's wrong with [TS]

  it [TS]

  stuff like I plug in the USB a ports is [TS]

  not reliable oh really I don't know if [TS]

  I've ever plugged anything into the USB [TS]

  a ports I got it mostly for Ethernet so [TS]

  and I used it like twice oh that's [TS]

  that's unfortunate though [TS]

  it's unreliable oh and one awesome thing [TS]

  that I've found about this setup is that [TS]

  because everything's running over this [TS]

  Thunderbolt cable that goes to the [TS]

  laptop like right the way I have it set [TS]

  up now is everything I have plugged into [TS]

  the monitor and the only thing I have [TS]

  plugged into the computer itself is the [TS]

  cable from a monitor and then while I'm [TS]

  podcasting the USB interface because [TS]

  it's always nice if you're running like [TS]

  audio gear especially audio recording [TS]

  gear it's wise to plug that as directly [TS]

  into the computer as possible to try to [TS]

  avoid hubs and things like that [TS]

  I'm just adjust for various USB [TS]

  weirdness reasons otherwise I've [TS]

  everything one is one with this one [TS]

  cable so the laptop I actually have four [TS]

  feet away from the monitor like on the [TS]

  floor or leaning against the wall by [TS]

  some bags which is great because it's [TS]

  nowhere near me so if the laptops fans [TS]

  spin up I will hear them much less than [TS]

  I would if it were on the desk or if it [TS]

  were an iMac so that's kind of nice yeah [TS]

  of course now as John as John sits there [TS]

  with his decade old Mac Pro it's [TS]

  probably like dead silent down the floor [TS]

  as well sometimes I don't even know if [TS]

  it's on it was on all day today I forgot [TS]

  I forgot to put it to sleep when I went [TS]

  away from it and realized you know how I [TS]

  found out it was on all day cuz when I [TS]

  came in here to podcast and I'm like why [TS]

  I'm so hot it's because this is a space [TS]

  heater was running in it all day that's [TS]

  one thing my computer does do is take [TS]

  some cool air and it expels hot air and [TS]

  it does it very efficiently 10 years of [TS]

  heat right most most of the energy goes [TS]

  into my computer is converted to heat [TS]

  you have have you ever dusted the inside [TS]

  of that or is that 10 years of dust in [TS]

  there too oh yeah yeah it's yeah [TS]

  although it's so old now they're like [TS]

  despite being dusted many times you know [TS]

  it's pretty clean in there like the [TS]

  vents and heatsink are pretty clear but [TS]

  there's like the dust that like the thin [TS]

  layer of dust it welds itself to the [TS]

  services like I don't know what this [TS]

  phenomenon is but like it's dust free as [TS]

  far as like pressurized air is concerned [TS]

  but if you run your finger along the [TS]

  surface nothing comes off on your finger [TS]

  but you can feel this like there's a [TS]

  layer of dust that is fused to the metal [TS]

  now that has become part of the aluminum [TS]

  it's a hell of a thing I'll try to take [TS]

  some good macro photos over when this [TS]

  thing finally retires and glory to my [TS]

  attic this has to go into a museum or [TS]

  something yeah it's going into his attic [TS]

  not a mausoleum music mausoleum it's the [TS]

  thing from the end of Raiders which is [TS]

  reverence please tell me you both got [TS]

  come on you're gonna kill me it's been a [TS]

  long time since I've seen Raiders I'm [TS]

  not sure I have seen it I've seen it [TS]

  many times [TS]

  nothing is safe nothing is safe at least [TS]

  Casey got my damn sneakers reverence [TS]

  it's all I got this is all I've got to [TS]

  hold on to Casey's favorite movie he got [TS]

  a reference to yeah wait this is this [TS]

  were they were they like have the [TS]

  forklift and the ORAC or something like [TS]

  that is going into like this random ass [TS]

  warehouse where there's just a billion [TS]

  random boxes I got there just give me a [TS]

  second narco mate may or may not have [TS]

  seen Raiders of the Lost Ark ladies and [TS]

  gentlemen Mark Harmon [TS]