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Ep. 254: "One of My Favorite Actresses"

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0:00:05hello hi John hi Marilyn how's it going

0:00:11super good yeah me too

0:00:14oh good yeah pretty good good news you

0:00:20know it's nice to just have a normal day

0:00:23yeah yeah yeah yeah I slept pretty well

0:00:29Sunday night is usually my best night of

0:00:31sleep yeah I mean when I say I'm doing

0:00:35pretty good it's not today's not a

0:00:36normal day and I just I guess I slept

0:00:39sort of well no no well I mean that's as

0:00:43good as it gets for me these days really

0:00:46yeah but I have to leave after our

0:00:50program to go be on the radio

0:00:52ah the radio did the terrestrial radio

0:00:55not our modern radio oh we should talk

0:00:57more about things that you do you um you

0:01:01uh surprise that's the wrong word I'm

0:01:04frequently surprised I'm buoyed to see

0:01:06that you go in perform places I saw I

0:01:08saw a picture of you with long hair

0:01:09performing you played the Pledger song

0:01:13on the the brothers podcast you're still

0:01:15out there you're still getting stuff

0:01:16done oh you know you got to get stuff

0:01:18done Merlin if you don't get it done and

0:01:20how's it gonna get done it's gonna do

0:01:21this stuff yeah that's right what can I

0:01:28ask what kind of you know is it a KEXP

0:01:30is it a Luke Burbank it's a what kind of

0:01:32situation you got no none of the above

0:01:34is say it's a KUOW which is our local

0:01:38public radio station and they have a

0:01:40they have a culture panel where they get

0:01:44they sit around and discuss cultural

0:01:48moments they say relatively like a

0:01:51temper aeneas or like yeah yeah yeah

0:01:53okay all right yeah I mean it's a it's

0:01:56just filler it's filler which is well a

0:01:5998 percent of all content is oh my

0:02:01goodness really oh I think so about

0:02:03content yeah do you think most content

0:02:05is filler I really do think it's in

0:02:07substantial I think so

0:02:10sure I mean you know like is the Azalea

0:02:12let's say let's just say that for

0:02:14instance why do you want to know

0:02:16anything about is he as they Iggy Iggy

0:02:18Azalea

0:02:19she's so fancy she's fancy but do you do

0:02:22you want to know anything about her I

0:02:24had to learn a little bit about her I

0:02:29don't take you off your topic about her

0:02:32because I'm a fan of Charli XCX who's

0:02:37the lady who sings the good part of that

0:02:38one song oh sure the part where she's

0:02:41not acting like like a black person from

0:02:42New Orleans English which is which is a

0:02:47really good part of that song huh and

0:02:50then then I heard there was some kind of

0:02:52dust up about her bona fides I should

0:02:55add oh you were bad news was yeah with

0:02:59the bad-boy demeanor and yeah

0:03:02tattoos twos Nicki Minaj monster monster

0:03:06everybody knows so the thing is I don't

0:03:08know anything I don't think really I'm

0:03:10really up on the rap these days monster

0:03:19song it's a really good song when I see

0:03:21that hotline bling you got the guy who

0:03:27did the who did the the Marvin Gaye song

0:03:30that was I'm definitely not doing this

0:03:33with you know updates in rap what that

0:03:37comes up on your cultural panel what if

0:03:38you're expected to opine on the rap of

0:03:40the day well this is the danger for me

0:03:42now because since I'm not on Twitter I

0:03:44don't know what the of the day stuff is

0:03:46I didn't of the day thing on the

0:03:49television a couple of days ago what do

0:03:52you think about but it's up but it's all

0:03:54stuff that I wouldn't have encountered

0:03:56it anyway you know they'll hand you a

0:03:57piece of paper here at the King 5

0:04:00breakfast show and it said there's a

0:04:05there's a hotel for sale outside of Reno

0:04:08that's decorated 100% in clowns and you

0:04:12read the thing and you're like oh and

0:04:14then you get online and or you get on

0:04:16the TV with them and they're like what

0:04:17do you think about that and you know and

0:04:19people that are making pancakes or

0:04:21people that are like getting the kids

0:04:23off to school or whatever it is that

0:04:24people do that watch those shows yeah

0:04:26they're like law or the

0:04:29there's a football player who was jet

0:04:31skiing any and he crashed and he lost a

0:04:35hundred and fifty thousand dollar

0:04:36diamond earring what do we think about

0:04:39that boys got something to say about it

0:04:42John I don't know a lot about producing

0:04:44content but IIIi think those are as you

0:04:48say problematic yeah you don't start out

0:04:50with something that's already funny and

0:04:52then talk about it well the thing is

0:04:56public radio is gonna be a little bit

0:04:57it's you know it's not gonna be so the

0:05:01humor is not gonna be so broad right

0:05:02they're they're actually gonna say

0:05:04here's an interesting thing right let

0:05:07the state legislature of Oklahoma says X

0:05:11and then but you know it's not gonna

0:05:13actually be like it's not gonna be

0:05:15biting nice it's it's cultural gentle

0:05:19its gentle but that's one of the one of

0:05:22the many things I do Merlyn in or in

0:05:25order to get stuff done

0:05:26in order to to make content for people

0:05:29and to ultimately I guess to to be in

0:05:35the mix you gotta stay in the mix you

0:05:37follow the mix it's hard to get back in

0:05:39oh yeah you can't get out you can't get

0:05:41out of the mix and I'm like riding a

0:05:42bike mm-hmm if you cuz then the mix

0:05:46separates right and you can your sauce

0:05:49yeah make your sauce you don't want to

0:05:53break your sauce but this week is gonna

0:05:54be this week's gonna be a hot week for

0:05:57me because because it's a it's Seafarer

0:06:00week here in Seattle OC for a week is

0:06:02that like a Fleet Week type situation

0:06:04that's right oh really

0:06:06and I am be a king of the of the obscene

0:06:10fair because your military service

0:06:13because again they need some content

0:06:20certain number of cubic inches of

0:06:23content right and John can provide that

0:06:25he can come in whereas little doctor

0:06:26doctor whose suit and you come in and

0:06:28you provide some content we get a crown

0:06:30I have a crown this please

0:06:37Cromwell they're on the they're on my

0:06:39Instagram account Oh insta cuts right

0:06:41you're still in the Instagram

0:06:42oh yeah use Instagram crown sword I have

0:06:47a tunic and so what you get in a

0:06:50situation like this is get a lot of

0:06:52events I'm gonna welcome the Blue Angels

0:06:55to town oh my goodness oh my goodness

0:06:58you've got a sash I do this is

0:07:02outstanding I was at a parade I was in a

0:07:05big parade 150,000 people watch the

0:07:08parade tremendous parade it was a big

0:07:10parade and then so this week I go I have

0:07:14dinner on on the flagship the US Navy

0:07:18admiral Pacific Admiral flagship boat I

0:07:23shake Anza and kiss babies with the Blue

0:07:26Angels quite a few times a lot of a lot

0:07:31of events a lot of different category go

0:07:33to the largest Rotary meeting in the

0:07:36northwest which they have every year at

0:07:40this time too

0:07:41you know because the rotor is very

0:07:42involved Wow things some breakfast some

0:07:48dinners and then I watch the and oh and

0:07:52throughout all of this I'm doing

0:07:53ceremonial night ends oh my goodness you

0:07:56you were born for this role John well

0:07:59this is the thing this is the kind of

0:08:00content that that I am that I that I can

0:08:05freely give the City of Seattle because

0:08:10without a king wearing a sash and a

0:08:14sword all you have is a bunch of guys in

0:08:17Navy uniforms milling around and then

0:08:20some Chamber of Commerce types and some

0:08:21rotary types and you know that the usual

0:08:24suspects mm-hmm but then you throw then

0:08:27you can throw a guy in a sash in there

0:08:29and it's anybody's it's a buddy's game

0:08:34at that point well you know if you're

0:08:36gonna have a monarchy you should have a

0:08:38king otherwise she's gonna have a power

0:08:41vacuum well won't be a monarchy well in

0:08:44mmm-hmm the other day I was asked I'm

0:08:49sorry I'm kind of distract I don't look

0:08:51at Instagram but now I'm looking at your

0:08:52Instagram you have all kinds of photos

0:08:53on here you know that's right it's my

0:08:55picture that you

0:08:56the brothers there's you oh look at you

0:08:58look at you and a little little sweet

0:08:59baby brother and look at that yeah oh

0:09:01did you get your fill sandbag buck no

0:09:04okay

0:09:05you all set you a Catwoman a Catwoman

0:09:09and I were looking at some comics I was

0:09:11asking her some questions because she is

0:09:13running the she was running the the

0:09:15booth I was like hey I don't see in here

0:09:17what I'm looking for and she came over

0:09:19someone took a a candid photograph wait

0:09:22you looking for Oklahoma sex cat sex cat

0:09:28yeah yeah I wasn't looking for that but

0:09:30now that you remind me of Oklahoma the

0:09:32sex cat I'm you know I should add it I

0:09:35should add it to my list you should make

0:09:36an apple note oh there's your mom look

0:09:38at your mom oh so that they so like for

0:09:41instance the other day I think that when

0:09:45they asked me to be King Neptune they

0:09:49had in mind that they wanted Seafarer to

0:09:51be a little bit hipper than it's been

0:09:54last year the King Neptune was was a

0:09:57member of the Seattle Seahawks and and

0:10:02he had a fun time with it when he

0:10:07bothered but it was that that was their

0:10:12typical the typical mistake I think that

0:10:14that you make in a situation like this

0:10:16where you're like this is an this is an

0:10:18honorary position and we're gonna give

0:10:20it to an upstanding citizen and then you

0:10:22pick somebody that that is in your own

0:10:25world

0:10:26you're a Chamber of Commerce the kind of

0:10:28organization you pick somebody from that

0:10:30world yeah it's impressive in that world

0:10:34like a Seahawk but that's not very fun

0:10:39you know what I mean like you go to a

0:10:41Rotary meeting with a guy that has been

0:10:43to a lot of rotary meetings it's very

0:10:45it's just like it's very internal and

0:10:48then you realize oh we're producing an

0:10:50event for the whole city but but we're

0:10:53doing the we're making the old mistake

0:10:55of just like it's a circle jerk hit him

0:11:00where they ain't you yes you want power

0:11:02but you obviously you want somebody who

0:11:05you know has respect for the service

0:11:07mm-hmm

0:11:09drawing power somebody who loves the

0:11:11city of Seattle and who isn't just

0:11:13coasting yeah I also think you probably

0:11:15want somebody who's a good sport

0:11:16you gotta be a good sport right but

0:11:19there's the version of being King

0:11:20Neptune good sport where you stand there

0:11:22gamely with your sash and your crown on

0:11:25and they hand you a piece of paper and

0:11:27they say read this and then we're gonna

0:11:31Knight this your fellow citizen and you

0:11:37gamely read it and everyone gamely

0:11:39applauds but then there's then you there

0:11:44the UM another option which is swing for

0:11:48the fences and in this year they said

0:11:50why don't we get why don't we try and

0:11:51make C fare a little bit more fun and

0:11:52they got they asked me to be king them

0:11:55too and it's hard for me to tell I I do

0:11:59know that I'm putting pressure on the

0:12:02organization by being a little too fun I

0:12:05don't know how much sting it's kind of a

0:12:09Footloose type situation where a little

0:12:11bit where they bring you in because they

0:12:12say this guy's a good sport he looks

0:12:14great in an outfit and a crown but now

0:12:16now it's a in the second act things are

0:12:19turning around a little bit and they're

0:12:20going oh it's this guy cuz it's got

0:12:22gonna be a pistol well a little bit of a

0:12:24pistol right so the Seafarer grand

0:12:28marshals of the parade who are it's

0:12:30another honorary position there are a

0:12:32lot of these I think the grand marshals

0:12:35of the parade and a couple of years ago

0:12:37one of the grand marshals was Duff

0:12:39McKagan my my good pal who is also a

0:12:41Seattle light a very vociferous

0:12:44supporter of Seattle

0:12:45that's just what is it it's an honorary

0:12:47thing they hand you a scepter you go I

0:12:49hereby commence the parade and you know

0:12:52it's but it's a fun thing it's a nice

0:12:54honor well this year last year they had

0:12:57Chris Pratt and an actress who everybody

0:13:02talks about very excitedly and who each

0:13:05time her name is mentioned I can't

0:13:07remember which one she is okay but one

0:13:10that everybody was excited to meet last

0:13:11year now I would be very excited to meet

0:13:13Chris Pratt because he's my favorite

0:13:15actress yeah he's a very good actor

0:13:18and I have to say just for what it's

0:13:19worth he's also seems like a good sport

0:13:22for good sport right and so it was very

0:13:23exciting so this year again they tried

0:13:26to maybe maybe they tried to duplicate

0:13:29their success yet last year so he

0:13:31brought along his lady friend and Anna

0:13:33Faris Anna Faris that's right and

0:13:35everybody's very excited about Hannah

0:13:36Ferris mm-hmm

0:13:37this year they got James woke and Billy

0:13:40Burke of the television show zoo Y which

0:13:45is on I don't know what the WB your CBS

0:13:48I don't know oh my goodness

0:13:50zoo better Marshalls so these are these

0:13:53actors and what they are is some actors

0:13:57from a thing that TV show like if it was

0:13:59if we were at comic-con Waterson to you

0:14:02yes oh we're about this I mean who knows

0:14:06ya know if it was nothing I've heard

0:14:08about there's a comic-con and I walked

0:14:10past these guys at a booth I would go

0:14:11sure of course but here they are and

0:14:13they're presented to me as like here are

0:14:15the grand marshals of the parade and you

0:14:16are meant to Knight them and then they

0:14:20commence the parade and it's all this

0:14:22thing this the it's a little bit of it

0:14:25some song and dance is what we're doing

0:14:26we're going slightly absolutely so here

0:14:29they come in the way I met this event

0:14:31and there some there are quite a few

0:14:32Admirals which is very exciting I met

0:14:34the commander of the Coast Guard for the

0:14:36Pacific region I met the the compare the

0:14:40Admiral of the Stennis Strike Force

0:14:44sleeps the aircraft carrier strike force

0:14:48another Admirals I made some I made some

0:14:52business with some animals you know I

0:14:53did a little look some walls with them

0:14:56another talk about game those guys have

0:14:59to be game because they do a lot of this

0:15:00type of thing anyway so up they walk in

0:15:03here comes Billy Burke who's a guy

0:15:05clearly my age but handsome Billy Billy

0:15:09Burke okay Lee Burke he was in the

0:15:11Twilight series Oh anyway he's wearing

0:15:15son I know this guy I thought Billy

0:15:17Burke was the good Queen and Wizard of

0:15:19Oz that's why that's the difference a

0:15:21different Billy Burke okay but he's

0:15:24wearing sunglasses he's got his hair is

0:15:26dirty hair up in a man bun he's wearing

0:15:28a Seahawks t-shirt a dirty unzipped

0:15:33hoodie and some shorts

0:15:34Annie and I'm like seriously that

0:15:37doesn't bring much gravitas visa V

0:15:39marshalling know somebody somebody told

0:15:42you that you were gonna be the grand

0:15:44marshal of a parade and you show up in

0:15:47your pajamas I was offended and so did

0:15:52you try to keep it in no I'm standing in

0:15:56front of this group of local dignitaries

0:15:58and I call him up and as they as they

0:16:00walked out my mom like Billy you didn't

0:16:02have to get dressed up all special for

0:16:05the parade

0:16:06and Billy Burke I don't then he put on a

0:16:10strange smile but I don't think he liked

0:16:12being roasted and then I said a few

0:16:15times as I was knighting him like you

0:16:17know Billy Billy made the special effort

0:16:20to roll out of bed to come be the grand

0:16:22marshal of Seattle's parade and I think

0:16:23we should honor him with this great

0:16:25honor oh my goodness and it's and the

0:16:29thing is I'm not being hostile I'm being

0:16:31funny it's fun Billy Burke

0:16:34fifty-year-olds grand marshal of a

0:16:36parade and he you know he should be able

0:16:41to take a little bit of this because he

0:16:42chose he chose that outfit not you yeah

0:16:45that's right cuz fuck you Billy and

0:16:46thing is James woke a younger man the

0:16:50star of the star of this TV show James

0:16:52work he showed up in a collared shirt

0:16:54with some pants now he didn't tuck his

0:16:56shirt in but he's a young person and he

0:17:00was loving it he was loving that Billy

0:17:03was getting raked over the coals so it

0:17:05was a little bit of a roasty situation

0:17:07is what happened huh now that is not

0:17:11what is I think typical of this event

0:17:17you unintentionally or maybe you made a

0:17:20little edgy I made a little some fun

0:17:23here we're gonna have a little fun and

0:17:25since since I established that tone then

0:17:27I knighted a couple of admirals and I

0:17:30gave them a little bit of the same kind

0:17:32of business like oh here is the Admiral

0:17:36of the Pacific Coast Guard fleet

0:17:39commander and I said is Alaska part of

0:17:42your area and he said no they're a

0:17:44separate group and I said oh so then

0:17:48you you have Montana and Idaho the two

0:17:52great coastal states some boy and he was

0:17:55mad and then I realized oh right the

0:17:58Missouri River the Snake River the

0:18:00Columbia River like the Coast Guard is

0:18:02also in the rivers okay and so then I

0:18:05you know so I corrected myself and I was

0:18:07like oh you also are all the waterways

0:18:10all the great waterways he and I made

0:18:13good friends the Admiral and I but you

0:18:16know a little bit but I think the people

0:18:19at seif they're the ones who have asked

0:18:21me to do this job are now hopping up and

0:18:26down not in anger but in anxiety because

0:18:30what is the king gonna say next kind of

0:18:33thing which is I think the exact kind of

0:18:38fun that they were hoping to have in

0:18:40just slightly smaller measure and so

0:18:46this is the this is the fun for me right

0:18:48this is a ceremonial position I'm not

0:18:50getting paid it's this is all

0:18:51interesting this is a old boy know what

0:18:55about Chris Pratt is he doing it for

0:18:56free everybody does this for free this

0:18:58Chris Pratt brought his family to

0:19:00Seattle and did this job for free yeah I

0:19:05mean you know I'm sure they put him up

0:19:07yeah but uh you should check that out

0:19:09that mmm that sounds a little bit like a

0:19:11jamup to me it's the type of thing that

0:19:14is I think it falls into the the sort of

0:19:20general community service aspect of

0:19:22being famous you get honored with these

0:19:26things and if you say yes there's no you

0:19:30know what does Seafarer gonna give give

0:19:31him five grand I mean that's not that's

0:19:34not something Chris Pratt's gonna put

0:19:35his family and I think me I don't know I

0:19:39don't know how much of this is image

0:19:40management but I've seen tons of

0:19:42delightful pictures of him visiting kids

0:19:44in hospitals and bringing them Lego and

0:19:46doing things in costume and he seems

0:19:47like kind of a Mitch like I don't know

0:19:49if that's aI don't know if that's like a

0:19:51rock the Dwayne Johnson type situation

0:19:53where he's just doing image management

0:19:55who knows but but he seems he seems like

0:19:58he'd be like a pretty cool guy maybe

0:19:59just totally like him on Parks and Rec

0:20:02it's the reason why he's one of my

0:20:04favorite actresses yeah but I think past

0:20:07a certain point right what will what

0:20:10this will be is Chris Pratt probably has

0:20:13a foundation and then this he'll do this

0:20:18in return for the opportunity to put his

0:20:26foundation for kids on the masthead of

0:20:29some other you know what I mean like

0:20:31it's it's a different kind of currencies

0:20:34the wrong word but for lack of a better

0:20:35word it's a different kind of currency

0:20:37it's a kind of social tokens that we

0:20:40pass back and forth we try and do the

0:20:41right thing and these are the this is

0:20:44what the Rotary Club is all about right

0:20:46the Rotary Club sends some students to

0:20:48go bei Japan and Kobe Japan send some

0:20:51students to rotary and one of those

0:20:54students one day goes to college and

0:20:57become a majors in business management

0:20:59and ends up being the deputy director of

0:21:02the port and rotary pins appends a star

0:21:07on him and though her and the star then

0:21:13goes up on a on a piece of wood on the

0:21:16wall of a place and you know it's like

0:21:18there is a there is a world of

0:21:20honorarium a world of and everyone is

0:21:27very proud there's a lot of like pride

0:21:30in the work that they do

0:21:31it feels meaningful it feels like it

0:21:34spreads a fraternity thus the whole

0:21:38sister-city notion of like and now

0:21:41someone who's here from our sister city

0:21:43in Uzbekistan and they brought an

0:21:48entourage and you know and being like

0:21:53being is even tangentially involved in

0:21:59that in this kind of world like I have

0:22:01to I have to also realize they're

0:22:04creating content for their own markets

0:22:06and sure again it's it's a kind of thumb

0:22:11I don't visible but a kind of yes

0:22:14you're saying it's it's it's content and

0:22:16it's it's a kind of reputational Wafi

0:22:19tokens like there's it's interesting

0:22:20you're moving kind of invisible

0:22:22resources around yeah and and I think I

0:22:25think what what the benefit of these

0:22:28things is to the people that that are

0:22:31knee-deep in it is like this is where

0:22:34after you've awarded the the blue ribbon

0:22:37for the state's largest cow or after

0:22:41you've sent 25 kids to college and

0:22:44Antarctica for the semester then as

0:22:47you're standing around at the end of the

0:22:48meeting somebody like my dad says hey

0:22:53Bill I want to meet Tony and Tony goes

0:22:57hey Bill how's it going I'm trying to

0:22:59you know I'm the guy that's trying to

0:23:01get the permits to build the sixty five

0:23:03storey office tower on the land adjacent

0:23:07to where you are trying to also build a

0:23:10tower and you are holding up my permits

0:23:12haha why don't we figure that out and

0:23:15it's like oh you're a Rotarian Wow and

0:23:18like that kind of handshake II thing is

0:23:21what people that aren't in the room and

0:23:25what you know what democratic socialists

0:23:28are what makes them so suspicious and

0:23:31angry because it seems like that's where

0:23:34all chummy yeah that's where all the

0:23:36deals are getting made and that's why

0:23:37those organizations exist now being

0:23:41inside them right I see like oh that's

0:23:43not why they exist but it is a it is an

0:23:47element it is a fringe benefit of it

0:23:50that the people that are invited are the

0:23:53ones that are seen to need to be there

0:23:55and then that's how things get done and

0:24:01it's uh it's not very creative and it's

0:24:06not very it's not it's not fun by any

0:24:09standards that we have like it's not

0:24:12like the things that are supposed to be

0:24:14funny aren't funny the things that are

0:24:15supposed to be neat aren't neat there

0:24:18are a lot of PowerPoint demonstrations

0:24:20where people are showing slideshows of

0:24:22all the kids that they've helped but it

0:24:26really does

0:24:27come from I don't know a place in those

0:24:31people that is altruistic mm-hmm a

0:24:35desire to help and I have no idea how

0:24:40but but I now AM on not on the I'm in

0:24:46the anteroom of these people because I'm

0:24:50because whatever they pick me out as

0:24:53somebody that's game that will come to

0:24:56these things and be a little roasty and

0:24:59be a little bit because the thing is in

0:25:02a group of in a group where the

0:25:04admiral's are standing around right

0:25:05there's a lot of respect for the

0:25:09Admirals and the Admirals are standing

0:25:12around used to being respected it's

0:25:14their number one job description respect

0:25:17these guys right like they're every

0:25:19single room they've ever walked into

0:25:21from the time that they were a

0:25:23lieutenant junior grade some large

0:25:27proportion of the people in that room

0:25:28are respecting them mm-hmm no one ever

0:25:31disrespects them except maybe and part

0:25:34of it is um you learn so early on that

0:25:36you get respect by giving respect

0:25:38there's a tremendous respect as the

0:25:41currency right and so that but the

0:25:44Admirals in this situation are like

0:25:46they'd to go to a lot of rotary meetings

0:25:48they behaved respectfully but you don't

0:25:52get the sense that they you know part of

0:25:56respect sad to say is that you are

0:26:02impressed and maybe a little afraid

0:26:04right I mean certainly the respect

0:26:06they're used to commanding has a healthy

0:26:08element of fear in it because the people

0:26:12that are like yes sir are ones that can

0:26:17be in big trouble

0:26:18if they say yes sir wrong and so the

0:26:22Admirals are in this thing and there are

0:26:23a lot of rote Aryans and and people from

0:26:25the city and the animals aren't really

0:26:26very afraid of them you know they're

0:26:29it's not like somebody from Seattle is

0:26:31going to say we're not giving the Navy

0:26:34permits to park their boats here this

0:26:36year because we're making I mean it's

0:26:38possible if we elected a mayor

0:26:41was a real radical but ultimately the

0:26:45Navy's not worried about Seattle but a

0:26:49situation like that you know my job I as

0:26:54I see it is to because the lot of these

0:26:57animals aren't that much older than me

0:27:00right I know I know 54 and so although

0:27:06I'm iris I respect to the office and I

0:27:12respect the Navy let's say I don't have

0:27:16a lot of social fear because what is it

0:27:20Admiral gonna do to me what is what are

0:27:22these people gonna do to me and so no

0:27:27one ever roasts Admirals particularly

0:27:29not at a thing like this that's so low

0:27:31weight like this is these are low power

0:27:34events for these people the Seafarer

0:27:37parade you know they do they don't come

0:27:40expecting to be ribbed publicly and and

0:27:43I think personally that they love it I

0:27:46think it's fun for them I think that a

0:27:49everybody likes to be roasted a little

0:27:51and it's a like nobody ever

0:27:56nobody ever sidles up to them and says

0:27:58so tell me is that do you don't you get

0:28:01tired of wearing these uniforms that are

0:28:03half polyester I mean couldn't you have

0:28:05a uniform Taylor do you think they like

0:28:06that I think they do because it's a kind

0:28:10of banter that they it's the sort of

0:28:13banter that I would you know that I

0:28:14would lay on you yeah and they and they

0:28:17do have those feelings like so I'm

0:28:19standing next to the King County Sheriff

0:28:21who is a beep he's a big deal here and

0:28:25we're watching the opening remarks and I

0:28:29and there's a young deputy standing next

0:28:31to him who's not his who's it basically

0:28:34looks like his son and is sort of acting

0:28:37like his son and I don't think he's a

0:28:38bodyguard he's just his he's probably

0:28:42his aide-de-camp

0:28:43he says Ballena called Theia is his body

0:28:45manners back now but yeah he says he's

0:28:48the guy that's gonna eat his purse he

0:28:50gets his Leviathan and

0:28:51he needs a magnifying glass he knows

0:28:53where to pull it out right yeah so I'm

0:28:55standing next to the camp eight to camp

0:28:57what a great term aid to camp it's got

0:28:59to be what he is and I look over in the

0:29:02and the King County Sheriff has a side

0:29:04arm and the side arm you know it's

0:29:09unlikely that this sixty year old man is

0:29:12ever gonna draw his sidearm again but

0:29:14it's there because it's part of the

0:29:16uniform uh-huh and I looked down and it

0:29:19has a single piece of scotch tape

0:29:22wrapped around the handle wrapped around

0:29:25the grip and I look at him I kind of

0:29:29think about it for a second and I walk

0:29:31over and I say Sheriff and he looks at

0:29:36me and I'm wearing a crown yeah yes so

0:29:39he's so he's not gonna say hello citizen

0:29:41he's gonna say what the fuck is this now

0:29:44and I said sheriff I can't help but

0:29:47notice that your sidearm is held

0:29:48together with scotch tape can you and he

0:29:53starts to laugh and his aide camp starts

0:29:55to laugh and I said can you give me a

0:29:59some explanation for why the sheriff of

0:30:03King County can't find a screw for his

0:30:07or whatever and he says well you know

0:30:09the the grip is a little bit Wiggly and

0:30:14so I fixed it and you're the first

0:30:16person that's ever said anything about

0:30:18it and now my aide camp is laughing at

0:30:22me so thanks very much for that Wow and

0:30:25I figured either his kid put it on there

0:30:28he kept it on cuz it was sweet Oh cuz

0:30:31you know get a lot of that your kid put

0:30:32stuff on your things I'm sure it was

0:30:34that or there was maybe so he could get

0:30:37his fingerprints off there if you need

0:30:38it to no just a single piece of scotch

0:30:41tape all right and and so I said well

0:30:44you know sheriff that's wonderful

0:30:46because I'm gonna be able now to report

0:30:49to the citizens of King County that you

0:30:50are not wasting precious County

0:30:52resources on doing things like fixing

0:30:56the grip of your gun

0:30:57yeah which you're unlikely to draw and

0:30:59so then he's like oh here's I got a live

0:31:03one here and we sit and chat

0:31:05because in a way that kind of banter

0:31:10establishes establishes that there is a

0:31:16that my lack of fear is a kind of peer

0:31:21I'm establishing a peer relationship

0:31:24right like I am clearly not a peer of

0:31:27the King County Sheriff in any respect

0:31:30right sort of classic sense not in the

0:31:33classic sense but I'm also not

0:31:36intimidated by him and that's unusual

0:31:39for him right I mean the only people

0:31:42that aren't intimidated by the King

0:31:43County Sheriff are his wife and his kids

0:31:45probably because everybody else that he

0:31:48meets in it in the course of this

0:31:50situation is either someone who reports

0:31:52to him or someone who needs him needs

0:31:55his political support mm-hmm I mean

0:31:58that's it's um I don't mean this

0:32:00disparagingly but that's a managerial

0:32:02job big time right I mean I mean you

0:32:06know I wouldn't Domitian I'm sure that

0:32:08he would be happy to jump in and grab a

0:32:09broom if he needed to but like his job

0:32:11is very that's a high level

0:32:13administrative job he manages other

0:32:14managers and he came up through the

0:32:16ranks and you know one of the Dave

0:32:18Reichert who was a former King County

0:32:20Sheriff became a US congressman so it's

0:32:22a political job okay all right and he

0:32:25goes to these events and everything

0:32:28everything that we're looking at at this

0:32:30event is within his jurisdiction he is

0:32:33the sheriff of all of this and so

0:32:36everybody at this thing is like sheriff

0:32:39you know thanks for coming and also we

0:32:43you know we're looking for your help if

0:32:47next year at the whatchamacallit thing

0:32:50and so no one ever comes up and says

0:32:55what's the deal with your broken gun

0:32:56giggling yeah what's up with that and

0:32:58and he likes it right everybody likes

0:33:01that everybody wants somebody to come up

0:33:03and take the steam out of them or at

0:33:05least everybody who's normal like I'm

0:33:08sure there's a king I'm sure there's a

0:33:09sheriff somebody somewhere who's like

0:33:11move along citizen I mean in my

0:33:16estimation that

0:33:18is less bothersome to people who are

0:33:20both powerful and confident right there

0:33:22are there are people in positions of

0:33:24power that are not that confident

0:33:25nominee any names here and then there

0:33:28are other people who are very confident

0:33:29but don't have power and that kind of

0:33:31thing if you haven't gotten through the

0:33:33ranks and moved up feels like a slight

0:33:36that must be addressed in the moment it

0:33:39much like you went on like a playground

0:33:41right power you can you can laugh it off

0:33:44because you know let's just not gonna

0:33:46bother you well and he is a he's a he's

0:33:49a politician ultimately and so he's not

0:33:52gonna get to that job and be good at it

0:33:55if he doesn't have a sense of humor

0:33:56because it's you've got to you've got to

0:33:59be fielding a lot of crazy shit all day

0:34:01and a few minutes later I'm standing

0:34:04with the King County Executive who is

0:34:07the sheriff's boss nominally who's a

0:34:10young guy and actually a friend of mine

0:34:13like somebody that I know socially and

0:34:16he's the I think the greatest politician

0:34:19in the state by a large margin and

0:34:21everybody thinks so his name is Dow

0:34:22Constantine and he is a he's just a

0:34:26great politician and he's a he's a

0:34:29liberal he gets things done and he's

0:34:30also a cool guy right he's at this event

0:34:32he's dressed appropriately except he's

0:34:35wearing converse because he's a because

0:34:38he's a Justin Trudeau he's having a

0:34:41little fun he's having a little fun

0:34:43because it's a fun time but he's also

0:34:46got a blazer on and he's he he found in

0:34:49his collection of accoutrements all his

0:34:52little Seafarer pins and buttons that

0:34:54he's received over the years as various

0:34:56like every one of these little things

0:34:58that some King Neptune has given him

0:35:00like I hereby proclaim that you are the

0:35:03king of the day and they hand you a

0:35:06little pin Dow has them arranged

0:35:10somewhere so that when he's coming to

0:35:13this some assistant says and here are

0:35:15your Seafarer pins and he puts them on

0:35:17his blazer so that it's just like and

0:35:19that's how you're a good politician you

0:35:22know you show up at this and you're

0:35:23wearing the right pins

0:35:25and so you know that's let me pause you

0:35:28for a second because I like that phrase

0:35:30what was the phrase knowing the right

0:35:31pins that's really that's kind of a

0:35:35really good way to put it because it

0:35:36also encompasses a lot of the different

0:35:39kinds of things we're talking about

0:35:40whether that's Rotary Club or your

0:35:42father you know uh councilor you know

0:35:44like knowing all of the ways to like

0:35:47wear the right pin becomes very

0:35:49important in these situations right

0:35:51remember remember how politicians were

0:35:54being bullied into wearing American flag

0:35:56pins during the Bush administration oh

0:35:58it was it was this I remember after I

0:36:00want to say after 9/11 there was this or

0:36:02things like which late-night talk-show

0:36:04host will be the first to stop wearing

0:36:06up a flag pin yeah and if you if you

0:36:10appear there was a while there where if

0:36:12you appeared as a public figure without

0:36:14a flag pin on it was cause for censure

0:36:17especially if you were a Steph you were

0:36:19a a public servant and I think I think

0:36:23you will still see an awful lot of flag

0:36:25pins on the lapels of I mean I don't

0:36:28think there's a single Republican

0:36:30Congress person that doesn't have a

0:36:31flight well a lot of them wear that that

0:36:33goofy slightly oversized badge that

0:36:36Congress person's get that looks a

0:36:39little silly because when I see them

0:36:40talking on the MSNBC it looks a little

0:36:42bit like like a POG maybe or something

0:36:46you know it's a big pin trading culture

0:36:48at theme parks sure I think this is how

0:36:51that the sheriff with the cowboy hat got

0:36:52a lot of his Mad Max when Morton Joe

0:36:55pins is just trading with other cowboy

0:36:57sheriffs yeah this whole penetrating

0:36:59culture and I think that's part of what

0:37:01you're describing here knowing the right

0:37:02pin but but also it encompasses the

0:37:04things like the things that I look at

0:37:06and see as magical like the ability to

0:37:08remember people's names yeah what they

0:37:11do what they used to do who they know

0:37:14who their family is and to do that

0:37:17without going back like I are you you

0:37:20know that's I I just look at that and I

0:37:22just said look at something like that

0:37:23sheriff I just go man that guy's got it

0:37:25wired right well and you think about you

0:37:27think about Dow how many different

0:37:30events he goes to where they hand him a

0:37:33pin and he goes home and somehow puts

0:37:37that pin into a system

0:37:38where he says the next time I go to the

0:37:41to the King County reservoir maintenance

0:37:46directors Jamboree I'm gonna be able to

0:37:50put this pin on my lapel and and when I

0:37:52arrive and they see it they are going to

0:37:55be chuffed right there's no look that

0:37:56you can tell I'm excited and this is my

0:37:58fifth one of these look at my lapel I'm

0:38:00wearing I'm wearing my flight of pins

0:38:01it's it's phenomenal you know that

0:38:04ability and that and the knowledge that

0:38:07that is the thing you need to need that

0:38:08you need to do but so I'm standing there

0:38:11in down an hour just talking about our

0:38:12families and we're talking about our

0:38:13lives and a guy walks up and he's one of

0:38:17the people I've I have honored that day

0:38:19who's a who runs an organization that

0:38:22supports the Navy and he says you know

0:38:25hey sorry to interrupt I just wanted to

0:38:27say hi just wanted to say thank you

0:38:28Dowell remembers his name Dom knows who

0:38:30he is and he says just wanted to make

0:38:33sure you got my email inviting you to

0:38:36the event that we're doing and it's a

0:38:41little bit of a you know I know I know I

0:38:43know that message I've gotten a message

0:38:45and and this is a protocol breach

0:38:47because we're at a thing dows wearing is

0:38:49his fun shoes but you can tell that this

0:38:53man is very earnest about his work and

0:38:57as part of that earnestness he does not

0:39:00recognize social

0:39:04[Music]

0:39:05whatever the way the wiggle room is

0:39:07between this is an event where you say

0:39:10something like that this is not slightly

0:39:12cringy breach of protocol a little bit

0:39:15but Dow is very very graceful sure and

0:39:18Dow says you know I don't have any staff

0:39:22members with me right now and so and

0:39:25then he makes this self-effacement joke

0:39:28so he then he says and you know honestly

0:39:30like I just go where they tell me so I

0:39:33don't know I don't you know it's his

0:39:36kind of way of saying I don't answer my

0:39:38own email when it is things like this

0:39:40but when I get back to the office I'll

0:39:42ask them to make sure that I am you know

0:39:46right D write it down

0:39:48nope he just remembers just remembers

0:39:51and and the guy kind of presses his

0:39:54attack a little bit well we'd like you

0:39:55to be at the event and you know it's

0:39:57very important because we're doing it

0:39:58for the Navy and we in the you know we

0:40:00and support our troops and Dow says you

0:40:03know as soon as I get back a minute I'm

0:40:05going to talk to my staff about it and

0:40:06just sort of gracefully does his thing

0:40:08but that is what is happening at these

0:40:12things whether it is overt like that or

0:40:17whether a person walks up and says hey

0:40:21great to see you Dow and Dow knows that

0:40:24this person wants them at their at his

0:40:27event and he's able to send a coded

0:40:29message to them like hey great well I'll

0:40:31see you the LC in a week it's in a

0:40:33situation like that it's a little bit

0:40:35the phrase comes to mind is holding

0:40:36court where if you actually think about

0:40:38a regent sitting in some kind of a room

0:40:41where people come in and come in you

0:40:43know talk to them about things in that

0:40:45kind of situation dow is his name

0:40:47sheriff down no the sheriff is not down

0:40:51who's down Dow is the executive what am

0:40:55i sorry Dow is the executive is the

0:40:56nominal boss well he's that person if

0:41:01that person that person has the

0:41:03opportunity to say at that point to this

0:41:06person oh by the way I got your note I

0:41:10haven't had a chance to respond to it

0:41:12but I feel pretty sure we can get that

0:41:14on the schedule yeah how's the

0:41:15opportunity where he could say that but

0:41:17if he didn't say that you asking them

0:41:19about it you're basically doing that

0:41:20thing where you say did you get my email

0:41:22about about your email okay don't do

0:41:24that don't people especially in social

0:41:27situations it's it's such a it's such a

0:41:30PR bad PR person thing to do that whole

0:41:33like well if I do it in public and I'm

0:41:36smiling like you have to be nice to me

0:41:38yeah well and it's how I it's how a PR

0:41:41person justifies their their bowl of

0:41:45cereal right because they get to that's

0:41:47my job yeah that's their job and they're

0:41:49trying to get those Glengarry leads all

0:41:51the time but but an event like this

0:41:55every single person in there is holding

0:41:58court simultaneously there are no people

0:42:01in there that are not either with I mean

0:42:04everybody had stars on there

0:42:05and the sheriff has four stars on his

0:42:09collars but he are on his collar but he

0:42:11he reports to Dowe who is wearing

0:42:14converse but functions yeah yeah but

0:42:17Dalles got stars on his collar too and

0:42:19everybody knows it it's just down Stars

0:42:22our Seafarer pins cuz he knows how to do

0:42:24that the only people in there that

0:42:28aren't that don't have stars on their

0:42:30collars are Billy Burke and James woke

0:42:33who are there because they're rich

0:42:36Hollywood hansoms and then me

0:42:41yeah and I'm wearing a fucking crown

0:42:43yeah that speaks for itself

0:42:45it really does right a crown like you

0:42:48because the crown says suggests I am

0:42:50ceremonially the boss of everyone here

0:42:54obviously we all know that that is not

0:42:56true well I think the purpose is for the

0:42:59purposes of this event if that has been

0:43:02conferred on you I think people should

0:43:03be deferential to you and they are and

0:43:06that is part of the fun every one of

0:43:08these Admirals said do I bow mm-hm and

0:43:11each time I say yes and and bend the

0:43:15knee as they do the fucking two of these

0:43:18Admirals got down on their knees right

0:43:20that's a good sport

0:43:22it's a fucking good sport because

0:43:24they're politicians - mm-hmm you don't

0:43:26get to be a three-star general or

0:43:29Admiral without being pulled it's a

0:43:31little bit of what one might call social

0:43:33power exchange you have you're having

0:43:36fun with it

0:43:37fucking-a mm-hmm and Mike and what I the

0:43:41only thing I lack is a clown nose

0:43:42because that's that's what the crown is

0:43:45right come on and I went to great

0:43:48lengths because because you have a lot

0:43:51of dignity I would not call that a clown

0:43:53nose you're a very you have a you have a

0:43:55an excess of dignity thank you I grew my

0:43:58beard a little bit long so that I look

0:43:59like hanging up to it a little bit more

0:44:02mm-hmm but but I feel like the the job

0:44:06description that the Seafarer people had

0:44:09in mind

0:44:10was

0:44:12business-casual plus a sash and a crap

0:44:17[Music]

0:44:18that's what they expect okay and I have

0:44:23spent the last month putting together a

0:44:25pretty good replica of of like tsar

0:44:33nicholas ii tunic from just before the

0:44:38world war i have all the elements i have

0:44:42the you know i have the the star of

0:44:45Constantine and I have the the

0:44:48additional gold braid and the gigantic

0:44:51epaulets and the you've done some

0:44:53readings on your work here the sword

0:44:55belt and I mean if you take a picture of

0:44:57me and my tunic and you put it up next

0:44:59to Tsar Nicholas he's got a lot more

0:45:01bling

0:45:02and each one of the nice things about

0:45:04being a Tsar is that you can have

0:45:06knee-high patent leather boots made for

0:45:08yourself which would be set that I'm

0:45:11like I'm frankly teetering on making me

0:45:14- I just thought telling but so sweet in

0:45:16a tunic befitting a star and that is not

0:45:20what Seafarer expected they're not

0:45:23displeased

0:45:23it certainly is inhabiting the role what

0:45:26they expected was you come in looking

0:45:29like a golf dad basically they want to

0:45:31golf dad with a sash lalala and and

0:45:34that's but they got they got a little

0:45:36more than they bargained for they wanted

0:45:38to reach a younger demo and they brought

0:45:40in a new king with some of some fresh

0:45:41energy and he he brought a whole outfit

0:45:44yeah right and it's a you know like the

0:45:46outfit oh so fun to wear it's so fun to

0:45:49march around in this outfit with its you

0:45:51know the epaulets really the epaulets

0:45:54really communicate not only that you

0:45:55have broad shoulders but that those

0:45:57broad shoulders are covered with

0:45:58cthulhu's of gold which is you know like

0:46:04the fucking Admirals

0:46:07who are marching around this thing have

0:46:09giant gold epaulettes

0:46:11it's just that style has changed and the

0:46:14epaulets now are flat and have a lot of

0:46:15stars on them but they're still freaking

0:46:17gold epaulettes and my epaulets are just

0:46:19what they would have worn a hundred

0:46:20years ago a little bit more at Gilbert

0:46:22and Sullivan yeah I mean there's a you

0:46:25know I don't want to look like

0:46:26Nutcracker why'd you put that image in

0:46:35my head that's funny like the Nutcracker

0:46:39with some homemade makeup I am

0:46:43essentially I am essentially there is

0:46:45the Nutcracker the you know the the game

0:46:53I mean initially I what I wanted was to

0:46:55come dressed as Master and Commander and

0:47:01it was very difficult to put that outfit

0:47:04together so that it looked good with a

0:47:06crown and the problem of the problem of

0:47:11the crown is that it it's very important

0:47:17to see fair because that's what they

0:47:22made they made a crown and they thought

0:47:25they were having fun with that and that

0:47:28that's an example of like we are fun and

0:47:30we're having fun with but with this and

0:47:32we made a crown and a sash for our King

0:47:34and it's an easy thing to put on

0:47:36somebody who's wearing business casual

0:47:38and make it make the event fun it's like

0:47:43instant King just add crown right you

0:47:45can walk in and you're wearing a suit

0:47:47from Men's Wearhouse and they put the

0:47:48sash on you you put a crown on and then

0:47:50unite somebody everybody has a good

0:47:52laugh yeah but Seafarer when i was a kid

0:47:56was one of these regional festivals that

0:48:01used to happen in every in every town

0:48:03every small town every to local every

0:48:06town that wasn't because they're the

0:48:08country didn't have a unified culture

0:48:11Seafarer was an event that where seattle

0:48:14went off went bananas like king neptune

0:48:19had an entourage of 20 people oh my

0:48:23goodness they were all wearing giant

0:48:25hats with feathers in them everyone was

0:48:29drunk it was there were parties people

0:48:34would really get into the spirit oh my

0:48:36god I mean my mom talks about it she's

0:48:38she's like

0:48:40Seafarer was the event of the season

0:48:42there were multiple parades there was a

0:48:45giant parade to kick it off then there

0:48:48was a giant parade in the middle and

0:48:49then there was a giant parade at the end

0:48:51that's kind of event my late father

0:48:53would call it grab-ass

0:48:54it was a huge grab-ass and everyone came

0:48:57from miles around

0:48:58the mayor and that you know and the end

0:49:01Neptune was a was a big deal right

0:49:04during that time during the Seafarer

0:49:07month King Neptune never bought a drink

0:49:10in any bar in the city there are Seafair

0:49:13pirates and sea fair clowns and they

0:49:15would they would come into bars and

0:49:17restaurants and just start singing their

0:49:19body songs and they would take you know

0:49:22food off of people's plates and

0:49:24everybody had a grand old wry bald time

0:49:26and I'm sure at that during that era

0:49:29right there was also a lot of

0:49:30impropriety that wouldn't fly these days

0:49:33oh I would feel fairly certain about

0:49:35that and so that you know that is kind

0:49:38of taken out of it right as time goes on

0:49:40the mayor does not get publicly drunk

0:49:43during sea fair but watching them in old

0:49:49black-and-white photos like watching the

0:49:51town just go nuts and when I got when I

0:49:54was appointed King Neptune my brother

0:49:56Bart sent me a text and he said dad

0:49:59would be so proud oh that's nice

0:50:02dad loved sea fair and this is a you

0:50:05know this is an example of the kind of

0:50:09honorary position in the City of Seattle

0:50:12that my dad thrived on and no member of

0:50:17my family even in all of their many

0:50:21splendors no one ever was King Neptune

0:50:23before my dad and my my uncle al and my

0:50:28uncle Junius and george alfred caldwell

0:50:31rodchester before him none of them ever

0:50:33were afforded or recorded this honor

0:50:38so I don't want to show up in business

0:50:40casual and have a crown I wanted to come

0:50:44dressed as Russell Crowe and Master and

0:50:46Commander hmm but it but you can't take

0:50:49that big Napoleon hat off and put a

0:50:51crown on you just look dumb but you can

0:50:54come as Tsar Nicholas or King George the

0:51:00fifth or a little bit less Kaiser

0:51:04Wilhelm but you can you can come as

0:51:07those guys and it and it it looks it

0:51:12looks the part right because they were

0:51:13obviously like commanders of their

0:51:14navies to you you knew that Tsar

0:51:18Nicholas George the fifth and Kaiser

0:51:21Wilhelm were all first cousins right in

0:51:25thinking about what you were saying I

0:51:26was in my head something was swinging

0:51:28around about Germans there seemed

0:51:31something isn't there a lot of dramatic

0:51:34things running through a lot of

0:51:36different countries like a lot of the

0:51:39royal family has roots in Germany well

0:51:44they're all they're all related right

0:51:46the British royal family is a German

0:51:48house I seem to remember in that in the

0:51:51crown I remember that being kind of kind

0:51:54of a big deal like one of the one of her

0:51:55relatives still mostly spoke German and

0:51:57stuff like that well sure and the thing

0:51:59is the leaders of those three nations at

0:52:02that time 1914 the King of England the

0:52:06George is George v Elizabeth's father

0:52:13grandfather okay right I think

0:52:17yeah all right well they were all so all

0:52:21three of those yes either you're right

0:52:24I'm sorry yeah I think you're right the

0:52:27Kaiser of Prussia the the Czar of Russia

0:52:31and the King of England were all first

0:52:33cousins and they were all grandsons of

0:52:35Queen Victoria Wow

0:52:37and while Queen Victoria was alive they

0:52:42were all like oh and they and they look

0:52:44almost exactly alike like George the

0:52:47fifth and Tsar Nicholas look like twins

0:52:50you see them next to each other twins

0:52:52twins twins and no nobody in the family

0:52:57liked Kaiser Wilhelm he was the cousin

0:53:01that nobody liked how come he was a jerk

0:53:05okay he was like I think that he had

0:53:09when he was being born did there was a

0:53:13complication and one and you know it was

0:53:17it was all olden times so they weren't

0:53:19able to solve complications in being

0:53:22born did like on the spot and one of the

0:53:25results was that the Kaiser was had a

0:53:28deformed arm that it was like Gary

0:53:32Berghof right he he had one hand that he

0:53:36didn't like to show Erbs palsy Gary

0:53:38burghoff had an arm situation Gary

0:53:41burghoff if you I mean in in the ten

0:53:44years that we all watched mash every day

0:53:46we never ever noticed that Gary burghoff

0:53:48has one hand that is I think much

0:53:52smaller than the other I had no oh my

0:53:55god there it is I had no idea and he

0:53:58Gary

0:53:59Birkhoff who is by all accounts a

0:54:01reprehend reprehensible person oh no I'm

0:54:03so sorry you hear that is also a great

0:54:05drummer

0:54:06thank you so much he's a phenomenal

0:54:09drummer but everybody I don't so you

0:54:12weren't around maybe you were your

0:54:15attention was elsewhere you were

0:54:16probably watching Apple announcement

0:54:19events yeah developer conferences but

0:54:23at some point in the early-mid Twitter

0:54:26period

0:54:27Gary Birkhoff appeared on Twitter and he

0:54:29was one of those people that went from

0:54:32having 50 followers to 15,000 followers

0:54:35in two days because he was on Twitter

0:54:38just taking a dump on Alan Alda every

0:54:42day I see and was just he was going he

0:54:45was doing a James Woods he was just

0:54:47going crazy and it was oh I know oh no

0:54:52this is not good it sounds like oh I had

0:54:53some drinks it was the type of thing

0:54:55where Andy Richter was right in there

0:54:59you know like everybody was enjoying

0:55:00gary burghoff

0:55:02imploding online I love a Charlie Sheen

0:55:05I most of all right but but it caused me

0:55:09then to read some oral histories of mash

0:55:11and my favorite quote was somebody I

0:55:15don't know who said Gary Birkhoff was by

0:55:18far the best actor on mash he was doing

0:55:22a genius performance because he was

0:55:25creating a character that was beloved by

0:55:27everyone in the country when he himself

0:55:29was like the most awful man alive and

0:55:34was going up to Charles Nelson Reilly

0:55:36Herve Villechaize no one is spared no

0:55:40you see what's really on Olsen Reilly

0:55:43that's no good well it's like Gary also

0:55:46is is not a not a tall man and yeah

0:55:50thought he was lumped in there but so I

0:55:54think the Kaiser because of his because

0:55:57of his damaged arm had a chip on his

0:55:59shoulder and the Czar and the King

0:56:02looked so much alike and were very

0:56:05chummy like they vacationed together

0:56:07there was a lot of slap and tickle

0:56:08happening and the Kaiser felt left out

0:56:12but they all stayed very they all stayed

0:56:16very you know like pally

0:56:19because all three of them loved Queen

0:56:22Victoria their grandmother and there are

0:56:25all these pictures of them kind of like

0:56:26curled up at her feet while she pets

0:56:29their hair

0:56:30and when she died almost immediately the

0:56:36cousins were like they all squared off

0:56:38and of course they started a world war

0:56:43not that long after mm-hmm

0:56:46where and so the Kaiser and the king and

0:56:49the Czar are fuckin first cousins and

0:56:51they are they're like fighting this

0:56:54enormous conflict where millions died

0:56:58over some stupid shit and halfway

0:57:03through the war the Tsar is deposed by

0:57:07revolution and then at the end of the

0:57:10war the Kaiser loses his crown and there

0:57:16is no there is no monarch of Germany

0:57:18anymore it becomes a whatever funk

0:57:21semi-functional republic and the king of

0:57:23england is the last man standing so I

0:57:28guess really I'm really I'm dressing

0:57:30like King George the fifth I don't want

0:57:32to end up like the Tsar it's gonna be a

0:57:37busy week

0:57:38I have like six events a day oh my

0:57:41goodness that's too many events at six

0:57:43events a day Merlin and Wednesday is

0:57:45supposed to be a hundred and three

0:57:47degrees in Seattle that's a hot day to

0:57:49be the king well I'll see I don't want

0:57:51to wear my tunic on that day I'm gonna

0:57:53that's the day that I'm going business

0:57:54casual mm-hmm I'm going I'm going cruise

0:57:57ship casual on Wednesday this is another

0:58:00nice thing though is that you are I mean

0:58:03obviously you've put a lot of your own

0:58:05special preparation into this particular

0:58:08costume but like you've got a lot of

0:58:11stuff just sitting around that would be

0:58:12appropriate for almost any event like

0:58:14you're you seem like you're pretty good

0:58:16to go yeah as long as no one I I think

0:58:21that I have put myself now finally in a

0:58:24place that I've been that I've been

0:58:27shooting for my whole life which is a

0:58:31place with particularly in in wardrobe

0:58:34terms where whatever the invitation says

0:58:40is the Wardrobe

0:58:41I know that not only can I can I meet

0:58:47their expectations but that I will be

0:58:51able to show up in my own version of a

0:58:53thing like if it sells if it says

0:58:56cocktail formal or it says semi-formal

0:58:59or if it says I mean no one ever doesn't

0:59:01event that says that that says formal

0:59:05and means actual formal like the the

0:59:09nicest event in the country you can show

0:59:12up to an a rented tuxedo anymore but you

0:59:15might say black tie or white tie right I

0:59:17I do not think that you will ever see a

0:59:19thing invite where you are invited white

0:59:21tie I mean unless it's a Royal Wedding

0:59:23which no one's no one listening to this

0:59:26podcast is likely to get invited to

0:59:28least of all me yeah although you never

0:59:31know you never know

0:59:32I mean maybe Boris Johnson is listening

0:59:34to this but other times the dress code

0:59:36they give is a combination of two things

0:59:41on the one hand it's like hey you don't

0:59:45want to look like a ding-a-ling so make

0:59:46sure you dress at least up to this bar

0:59:48but it's also a kind of like a

0:59:50consolation of saying don't worry like

0:59:52you don't have to wear a necktie to this

0:59:54right I think you're trying to give you

0:59:56something to say like to provide comfort

0:59:57ultimately to say like if you're in the

0:59:59range of this

0:59:59range of this

1:00:00kind of garb you'll be fine right and

1:00:02that is antithetical to the idea of

1:00:05having a dress code right I mean that's

1:00:07a that is a modern that's a modern

1:00:09problem to say like here's the dress

1:00:12code don't feel bad

1:00:14you get to where you have to wear it up

1:00:18to this point but don't worry you can it

1:00:21you won't be uncomfortable poor person

1:00:23yeah and after an hour you can take your

1:00:25shoes off

1:00:25yeah and in the past right a dress code

1:00:28was almost almost explicitly like you

1:00:32are going to be incredibly uncomfortable

1:00:34this is not negotiable here is what the

1:00:40expectation is and you will come correct

1:00:43and that's gone from the world unless

1:00:46you're invited to something hosted at

1:00:48the White House or something right like

1:00:49like you go you go to a wedding where

1:00:52the where the people are putting on the

1:00:54wedding and they want everybody to be

1:00:56like really really formal and you see a

1:00:59bunch of guys in blue suits yeah I mean

1:01:01if it doesn't if the if the title of the

1:01:03event you know you look out for words

1:01:05like gala gala is a good indication you

1:01:09should up your game a little bit right

1:01:12but for a lot of people in the world

1:01:15that is a blue suit that's as high as

1:01:16they go blue suit with with the tie the

1:01:18ceiling I've been go any higher than

1:01:20that or a rented tux a mule an

1:01:23ill-fitting rented tux

1:01:25yeah so but but in most cases like

1:01:30formal I think formal involves like

1:01:34actual formal at night is white tie

1:01:40white waistcoat like when was last time

1:01:44you saw that that wasn't at it wasn't a

1:01:47member of a wedding party well and you

1:01:49have to be careful that you don't get in

1:01:50too jokey frat brother Brothers style

1:01:52formality right black black tie is after

1:01:57six is that right

1:01:58well white tie is like the super formal

1:02:01one right right time in olden times

1:02:06white tie was for dinner and black tie

1:02:09was like what you wore

1:02:12like then I mean a morning coat well

1:02:16this is when you white ties when you

1:02:17wear like a Jiminy Cricket outfit yeah

1:02:19at dinner every night I mean this is

1:02:21like this is like old Oh like 1910 and

1:02:24in England but you didn't show up with a

1:02:27Black Tie tuxedo at night at a gala for

1:02:32sure but now you do now that's the

1:02:35that's the peak and there are all kinds

1:02:39of rules right you don't wear a white

1:02:40dinner jacket unless you're in the

1:02:42tropics but people love the look of

1:02:46white dinner jackets and so now you see

1:02:48white dinner jackets above the tropics

1:02:52and also you don't wear a white dinner

1:02:54jacket in the winter hmm but people do

1:02:58now because there's a costume for speed

1:03:00since most people are having fun with it

1:03:02right they don't under they don't know

1:03:04what the they don't know that it

1:03:06actually signifies a Kemp some kind of

1:03:09like archaic social order but so if I'm

1:03:14invited to anything up to white tie

1:03:17which I cannot accomplish like Paul if

1:03:19Tompkins can accomplish white tie and

1:03:20wears it sometimes min wears it always

1:03:24as a costume so he wears it

1:03:26inappropriately in that it's too formal

1:03:28for some events he goes to but that's

1:03:30his bit he's like a he's like a friendly

1:03:31children's television host yeah that is

1:03:34that's his bit huh but almost anything

1:03:37else that you would invite me to I can

1:03:38come not only appropriately but also in

1:03:41my own vernacular right in my own

1:03:45vernacular precisely so you know I can

1:03:48come to a black-tie event in 1959 or in

1:03:521977 or then also the one that is just

1:03:57the appropriate one

1:03:59can I just I read you the description of

1:04:00white tie from the internet science site

1:04:02here according to the British etiquette

1:04:04guide Debrett's of which I do not own a

1:04:08copy the central opponents are

1:04:09components of full evening dress from

1:04:11men are a white Marcella shirt which is

1:04:14a kind of like a weave of shirt Marcella

1:04:17shirt with the detachable wing collar

1:04:19and single cuffs fastened with studs and

1:04:21cufflinks the eponymous white Marcella

1:04:24bowtie is worn around the collar while

1:04:26marcella waistcoat is worn over the

1:04:28shirt over this is worn a black single

1:04:31breasted bar Athiya that's like a very

1:04:33gameofthrones name Bharathi awal or

1:04:36ultrafine herringbone tail coat with

1:04:38silk peak lapels were not done the

1:04:40trousers have double braiding down the

1:04:42outside of both legs while the correct

1:04:44shoes are patent leather or highly

1:04:46polished black dress shoes although a

1:04:48white scarf remains popular in winter

1:04:50the traditional white gloves top hats

1:04:52canes and cloaks are now rare it's the

1:04:56end of the menses yes and so you lose

1:04:58the Canes you lose the Canes and cloak

1:05:02because in cloaks nak seem to like Tori

1:05:07and that's two costumes you look a

1:05:08little bit like you know the monopoly

1:05:10man it was like them enough women but

1:05:13single cuffs not French cuffs like there

1:05:18are a lot of mistakes that we make in

1:05:20thinking that the thing that is more

1:05:22ornate is also the most fancy like

1:05:27you'll see a lot of people a lot of men

1:05:28wear their wingtips to put wingtips with

1:05:33the tux because the wingtips have more

1:05:35fancy on them they are more bling they

1:05:38got more bling but in fact when you get

1:05:40up to this level the fanciest is the

1:05:43plainest so you're not meant to wear

1:05:46wingtips with a with a tuck so you want

1:05:48your plainest black shoes and it should

1:05:51be no except first right yeah that's

1:05:53right

1:05:55and and not French cups but single cuffs

1:05:58and so forth and so on and all this

1:06:00stuff is like that all signals whether

1:06:02or not you know and that's a huge part

1:06:05of what dress codes and what dress even

1:06:08is it signals whether or not you know

1:06:10what things are and now of course we

1:06:14think oh those things are unimportant or

1:06:16those that are worse those things are

1:06:18enforcing a social hierarchy that we

1:06:21abhor but those things are also part of

1:06:28our and this is the word that you know

1:06:30this is the bell ringing word right it's

1:06:32part of our patrimony pound sign not all

1:06:35tuxedos right pound signs you know wears

1:06:38why is it patrimony mm-hmm that's I am

1:06:41but but it's that stuff interests me not

1:06:45just because it's like cultural heritage

1:06:48but also because I love codes you know I

1:06:51love social codes I love in I love

1:06:55interpreting codes I love seeing when

1:06:57other people like Dow Constantine

1:07:00wearing those fucking ribbons is and the

1:07:04converse is expressing a knowledge of

1:07:11ultimately of people and of stories and

1:07:15of the stories that people want to tell

1:07:16and that's what all this stuff is about

1:07:18and I admire it when I see it

1:07:21and honestly I feel like the single

1:07:25piece of scotch tape on the sheriff's

1:07:27gun was a thing that he initially put on

1:07:33there because a screw fell out of his

1:07:34pistol and then he liked what it

1:07:37symbolized he's a man of the people he

1:07:41has a piece of tape on his gun and no

1:07:44one has said anything about it he's been

1:07:46wearing that tape on his gun for fucking

1:07:49ever I bet because looking at the tape

1:07:51it had been on there a long time it was

1:07:52all it was all used and it was put on

1:07:56there very you know not not with any

1:07:59attempt to be neat it was very like slap

1:08:02on some tape he'd been wearing that like

1:08:05a pin on his lapel as a way of signaling

1:08:09so many things and someone finally said

1:08:12something about it and he was thrilled

1:08:14and his deputy was thrilled

1:08:16all these little flags that we have all

1:08:19these flag lapels a flag pins on our

1:08:22lapels that are that are ways of saying

1:08:24like this is me like a sheriff can't

1:08:27bling out his outfit it already is

1:08:29completely composed I'm not sure if Sam

1:08:31you know he doesn't have any there's no

1:08:34opportunity for him to put them even a

1:08:36even a flower in

1:08:37lapel because it would be out of uniform

1:08:39huh but he can put a little tape on the

1:08:41handle of his gun like a like a lace

1:08:46brassiere

1:08:47now at some point do you think you

1:08:50should get that fixed I mean like it's

1:08:54fun he's having fun with it which I like

1:08:56I like that he's doing some bling and

1:08:58he's got his his version of a black

1:09:00brassiere but like damn certain points

1:09:01shouldn't police officer make sure his

1:09:02gun doesn't have tape on it and that's a

1:09:05throwaway piece I think they call it I'm

1:09:07hoping I'm hoping that this Sheriff has

1:09:11enough insulating sheriffs around him he

1:09:15has three or four there were the shit

1:09:17there there are the deputies you see and

1:09:19there that are the deputies you don't

1:09:21see and in Seattle at least in in in

1:09:26Palin around with Dow his driver and his

1:09:30the deputy that is assigned to shadow

1:09:33Dow is always a woman and there and at

1:09:38this event

1:09:39standing sort of back with my crown on

1:09:41that's another fun game is to pick out

1:09:44the people who are there because they

1:09:46are carrying guns because they're

1:09:49shadowing somebody right because a lot

1:09:51of the people at this event have a

1:09:53shadow and the shadow isn't standing at

1:09:56their elbow the shadow is standing in a

1:09:58corner somewhere and they will have an

1:10:01earpiece or they won't but they will

1:10:05definitely have a little twirly cable on

1:10:07it like you're like a Secret Service

1:10:08type situation yeah so there were four

1:10:10of those people at this event but there

1:10:13were also other people that didn't have

1:10:14twirl ease but that had on you know like

1:10:18bulges in their jackets and in King

1:10:23County at least it seems like often the

1:10:30like secret detectives the ones the ones

1:10:36who are standing at one remove are women

1:10:38because I think that the county

1:10:41recognizes that bad guys are there you

1:10:46know the the goal of somebody's standing

1:10:48there with a pistol is that you may not

1:10:50be notice

1:10:51mm-hmm and bad guys are gonna be less

1:10:54likely to think that the sheriff is

1:10:56being shadowed by a deputy who's a woman

1:10:59and that that's an extra layer of

1:11:02badassery that's super badass like Pussy

1:11:06Galore like you have your whole like

1:11:07your squad of action people that's

1:11:11really cool and so when the when the the

1:11:14gang was all finally arrayed on our on

1:11:19our big like parade of Corvettes which

1:11:24is how we were going through the parade

1:11:25and the mayor the the beleaguered mayor

1:11:28of Seattle also arrived and got in his

1:11:31Corvette and I was very interested to

1:11:33know because it's a parade and there's

1:11:36very little separation between you and

1:11:39the crowd in a parade yeah as he started

1:11:41having a rough time well I mean what

1:11:43what he is accused of he will never not

1:11:46have a rough time I mean I know you've

1:11:49been acquainted with him I'm trying to

1:11:50be classy about it but he's he's had

1:11:52kind of some a challenge our current

1:11:55mayor did not run for re-election even

1:11:57though he was until this scandal

1:12:00presumed to be a shoo-in he he bowed out

1:12:04of the race and now there are 21 people

1:12:06running for mayor of Seattle and I

1:12:07should have done it it should have done

1:12:08just film no no please don't even for 22

1:12:11it's done but but so he's in the parade

1:12:13Dow is in a parade they're both riding

1:12:15sort of next to each other in their

1:12:17Corvettes awkward and buff and it's very

1:12:20awkward because Dow is a very successful

1:12:22politician who will be a national

1:12:24politician at one point in his life for

1:12:26sure I mean unless he makes a real

1:12:30misstep which I don't foresee him making

1:12:34but so I walk up in my tunic to their

1:12:39cars to say good luck gentlemen have a

1:12:41great parade on behalf of King Neptune

1:12:43of Seafarer you know have a good time in

1:12:46your parade and as I step to their car

1:12:52you you notice that the secret people

1:12:57the secret deputies I like the secret

1:13:02people I like the secret people they

1:13:04reveal the

1:13:04selves because out of the stout of the

1:13:07scrum of people who are kind of milling

1:13:09around I walk up to these cars fairly

1:13:12quickly because I'm just like mayor good

1:13:16luck have a good race you no doubt good

1:13:18luck have a fun have a fun time I'm just

1:13:21sort of moving quickly to these cars

1:13:23which are which are surrounded with a

1:13:27bubble of nobody in them because again

1:13:30sort of the presumption is like there's

1:13:33a bubble around these people yeah an

1:13:35abundance of caution and so out of the

1:13:38out of the the crowd that's on the

1:13:40periphery I step to these cars and those

1:13:43four people step forward one step and

1:13:46it's not a thing you would notice mm-hmm

1:13:49unless you were conscious of them being

1:13:52there already and knowing that they are

1:13:53all four of them vigilant enough to say

1:13:55who's this fucking guy you move in a

1:13:58move you start you start moving toward

1:13:59didn't Daenerys on on the crown a few

1:14:01people are gonna change positions that's

1:14:02right they all change position to get a

1:14:04little bit better sight line yeah and

1:14:06and they see the mayor

1:14:07you'd recognise me and put out his hand

1:14:09and say hey you know thanks and and who

1:14:14our mare is he's like you know he we'd

1:14:18we don't know each other exactly

1:14:20socially but certainly we know each

1:14:21other and he's like hi great to see

1:14:23thanks for your support he didn't

1:14:25actually say that but no really no

1:14:27that's just in his eyes it's all he

1:14:28knows how to do and then I was like

1:14:31thanks you know and so the the sheriff's

1:14:33take a step forward or the the secret

1:14:35people take a step forward but they know

1:14:36they don't have to take a second step

1:14:37forward because they they see then I'm

1:14:40being acknowledged and recognized and

1:14:42welcome you're good mm-hm

1:14:44if they I think I probably almost

1:14:47certainly that Dow and the mayor both

1:14:49have a a way of posturing themselves

1:14:53which says secret people would you

1:14:56arrive with a quickness you know stiffen

1:15:00up a little bit or something and they

1:15:01know oh it's go time

1:15:02yeah they stiffen up or they look over

1:15:04their shoulder or in some way that

1:15:06recoil mmm-hmm where that where the

1:15:09deputies will arrive on the scene but

1:15:12all of that dance it's so it's just so

1:15:14interesting and so

1:15:18you know what the hierarchy among people

1:15:21with stars on their collars is mmm-hmm

1:15:25there were two Admirals and I wanted to

1:15:28know who reported to the other and so I

1:15:29walked up to one Admiral and I said

1:15:31who's you both that you both have three

1:15:34stars

1:15:35so who's the Kahuna and the guys like

1:15:38what

1:15:39and I'm like well he controls a carrier

1:15:41Strike Group you are commander of

1:15:44Pacific Fleet Operations who gets the

1:15:48bigger slice of cake at the at the

1:15:51reception and the guy that I'm talking

1:15:54to his wife starts to laugh and he said

1:15:57well we're in different we are different

1:16:00where we report to different we both

1:16:02report to the same guy like he doesn't

1:16:04report to me I don't report to him yeah

1:16:05yeah yeah but what's the real story

1:16:07exactly I said yeah okay so he brings

1:16:10his carrier Strike Force into your base

1:16:13if you're mad at him do you get to say

1:16:16like all right well sorry we're out of

1:16:18macaroni and cheese you don't we're not

1:16:20we're not gonna resupply you because of

1:16:23something and his wife is just fuckin

1:16:25cracking up at this point he's like well

1:16:27no first of all I'm not in charge of

1:16:29macaroni and cheese but yeah second and

1:16:39I said so what so it's the military

1:16:42there's no equal no one's equal to

1:16:45anybody that's what makes it the

1:16:47military it's like it's like when you

1:16:48get a pack of dogs yeah you can't write

1:16:50any question you got to know like here's

1:16:52your nose here's this but let's go and

1:16:55so finally he says well he has seniority

1:16:59and I said you mean he enlisted first or

1:17:03he was promoted to Admiral first oh boy

1:17:06you're not gonna let it go are you no no

1:17:08I want to know and his and his wife is

1:17:11is having the best time and he is he may

1:17:16not have thought of this for a long time

1:17:18it's so unconscious in them that he

1:17:22might not have had to break this down

1:17:24but he says both he joined before I did

1:17:27and he was promoted

1:17:30right before I was and I said but

1:17:32doesn't that make you the wunderkind

1:17:35like you are you're younger than him and

1:17:39promoted to the same rank as him and he

1:17:42ran outside agitator john roderick and

1:17:44he shows no he shows no emotion except

1:17:47just the slightest crinkle in his eye

1:17:51just the slightest flash at being

1:17:55complimented and at being recognized as

1:17:58as having made that accomplishment at a

1:18:01younger age

1:18:01mmm-hmm but he said that's not how it

1:18:04works its seniority works according to

1:18:08like age and i said thank you admiral

1:18:13you've Claire you've you know you've

1:18:15clarified things for me today and he the

1:18:17thing is both of these guys are sitting

1:18:18in the backseat of their Corvettes like

1:18:20I'm walking down the lawn okay they

1:18:22can't get away and they're kind of not

1:18:24supposed to say I don't want to talk to

1:18:27you anymore no cuz I'm the fucking King

1:18:29you're the King I have to talk to you

1:18:30and they're both sitting next to their

1:18:32wives which is a different power dynamic

1:18:34it liar hundred percent right I mean

1:18:38like we can all we can all we're doing

1:18:40our little boys thing together our men

1:18:42talking to men thing like you know

1:18:44nobody's gonna Pierce but like they each

1:18:46have their own court jester that

1:18:47actually is running the court yes and

1:18:49they are and the wives are really

1:18:51enjoying this kind of thing right this

1:19:01they're the Admiral except not not at

1:19:04home I'm sure that's true I'm sure

1:19:07that's their long-running gag but I'm

1:19:09also sure probably every single one of

1:19:10them owes their wife so much can you

1:19:13imagine all the bullshit that their

1:19:14family has gone through so that they

1:19:16could have that career all you have to

1:19:18do is watch the right stuff right oh I

1:19:20mean rather we were talking about that

1:19:21just this morning wouldn't know it was

1:19:22Sam Shepard in that yes okay that's why

1:19:24I mention it this morning because I've

1:19:25seen dally

1:19:26she loves Apollo 13 but we've never seen

1:19:29the right stuff and I was like we got to

1:19:31watch that movie it's long it's so good

1:19:33it's really long he played those ladies

1:19:36tough those are tough ladies they are

1:19:39tough and they were tough in in in

1:19:41precisely the era where

1:19:43they were expected to behave a certain

1:19:46way that you know that didn't allow them

1:19:49really to to be assertive publicly

1:19:53assertive it was a bit like like for

1:19:57generations or even millennia like they

1:19:59self-organized not de but any any group

1:20:01like that like self-organized is in the

1:20:04CIA we're like this is you know this is

1:20:06how the village gets things accomplished

1:20:07yeah

1:20:08yes still very related very related

1:20:12structures in like and you put in your

1:20:13anecdote about the the Admirals and the

1:20:16Corvettes you know it's like the part

1:20:19that makes that awkward is that they

1:20:22know the answer to that question

1:20:25I bet I mean they Co they feel it oh

1:20:27yeah I mean they feel it in there you

1:20:29walk into a room and anybody you give

1:20:31any of those guys two drinks and he

1:20:33could force rank that entire room

1:20:34without even thinking about it he could

1:20:36he could fully force rank that room and

1:20:38and I bet you most people in the room

1:20:40could do the exact same thing people

1:20:41given the same amount of information and

1:20:43expertise could go up absolutely top

1:20:45guys I'm Katherine Katherine Oh all the

1:20:47way all the way down the line it's just

1:20:49that it's awkward to talk about it and

1:20:52then how would you if you if they were

1:20:54to say that to you how would they

1:20:56support that in a way that didn't sound

1:20:58like mumbo-jumbo well and there are

1:21:00people who are listening right now who

1:21:02are in the United States Armed Forces

1:21:03and who are officers and who will

1:21:06probably report to us in greater detail

1:21:09but I wonder whether when those two

1:21:11Admirals meet coming through the Rye

1:21:14mm-hmm whether the junior Admiral

1:21:19salutes first because they both know

1:21:24like I'm pretty sure all the three-star

1:21:28all the three stars out there and I

1:21:31think they are lieutenant Admirals or

1:21:33something I don't know exactly which

1:21:35which it is I'm getting yelled at about

1:21:37that but I think they probably all know

1:21:40each other almost certainly they know

1:21:41each other they are there interacting

1:21:43with each other socially and

1:21:45professionally and when they see one

1:21:47another whether the junior one even

1:21:50junior by two days

1:21:54whether they know to salute first I

1:21:57don't know that is a that's a level of

1:21:59military protocol I don't know but but

1:22:02in this little in this little corral

1:22:06that I was in there's the mayor who is

1:22:10used to being the top guy in the city

1:22:12there's the Dow Constantine who is the

1:22:17executive of the county and the county

1:22:19incorporates the city but those two have

1:22:23a relationship that is defined the

1:22:24protocol of that relationship has been

1:22:26defined for decades but still Dow is the

1:22:30more successful of the two politicians

1:22:32the one who will be in office next year

1:22:34Oh interesting so how does that work now

1:22:36the Navy is in town and these guys are

1:22:39high-ranking Navy officers how do they

1:22:41interact with a mayor of a city

1:22:44the sheriff is there he's got four stars

1:22:47on his collar the Admirals only have

1:22:49three but you also know who's the home

1:22:50team right right I think when somebody

1:22:53else is the home team you are dignified

1:22:55but differential right but like sheriff

1:22:59stars and army stars oh yeah right they

1:23:03don't they don't there's definitely

1:23:06there's like a whole like it's like a

1:23:07British Pound type situation like that's

1:23:09that's a different kind of star

1:23:10different kind of stuff mm-hmm and then

1:23:13you waltz and then you plop down in the

1:23:16middle of all of this

1:23:17a rich person so let's say there's a

1:23:21billionaire and let me have an

1:23:22influential person let's say it's Jeff

1:23:25Bezos come to the events so now Jeff

1:23:29Bezos is in the middle so now all

1:23:32picture changes for me

1:23:34he's just cackling maniacally it's just

1:23:36he's there and he's in a hyperbaric

1:23:38chamber that's also a hovercraft

1:23:45[Laughter]