Top Four 3: Reality TV Shows
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I should probably have written something
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down you're the worst
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yeah all right so Marco was supposed to
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pick the topic tonight but he read me
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one of his topics from his topic list I
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asked him to actually give me the top
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four topics that he had had but he
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refused to give me the top four so he
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gave me one and it really bad it was
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terrible it was so bad I can't even
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remember what it is right now honestly I
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have no idea what you even told me but I
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know that when you told me I was
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horrified and it was terrible
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and that was so i-i've been keeping this
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list and notes on my phone never look up
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note - my phone - ooh well like your
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gift list is there - you don't - see
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that no so I like to be spoiled I've
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been keeping this list on my phone every
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time I think of a good idea for what we
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can do for top 4 and he's been hyping it
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up like it's the greatest list ever and
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he has secrets on there that he wasn't
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gonna tell me and so I could be
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surprised when he reveals it when we
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record and all his topics are so great
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turns out they're terrible all the words
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so I pick what I thought was the best
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one what you want me to do tell the
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audience now I forgot so yeah sure tell
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me - it's that good
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so I think what I thought was the best
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one which was roadtrip food options oh
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yeah I mean come on
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and even as I was saying I was like you
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know there won't like argue how yeah
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over like how there's only probably four
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choices that we'd even list so like it's
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not even a top fours are the only four I
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would eat Arby's period period there is
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no - three or four I will not eat
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anything else on the road
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everything else is vile and disgusting
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Arby's or a bag of gummy bears
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that's nope nope warm do that no yeah
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bad yeah well you'll everyone always
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wants one or two gummy worms but when
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you get the bag you have to eat 40 gummy
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worms and then nobody wants to feel that
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way afterwards and now you get like
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stomach aches and nightmares and it's
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you get nightmares from Commerce oh yeah
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they'll get you oh my god all right so
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our topic tonight is what so our topic
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mmm I don't think I'm ready to talk
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about the topic that we talked about in
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the kitchen ah I don't think I can do it
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yeah I have to do a little bit more
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research I don't know I don't want to
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hurt feelings I don't want to I don't
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think I want to go there yet okay
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all right we can wait so what's your
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topic for the night so I was trying to
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vary it up because Marco was supposed to
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pick the topic since I picked the last
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two topics but it looks like I am going
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to be the topic picker of the family
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since Marcos topics are awful as you
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heard oh yeah I mean you know you're
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typically I'm in charge of wires mm-hmm
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anything that includes wires and we
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sound really good because of your
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choices yeah yeah so so I got wires
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covered and things that things that have
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wires you have generally soft things and
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things that are supposed to look good in
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the house and also you manage the
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calendar yep I'm good calendar manager
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yeah and I and I do the grocery shopping
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and the school drop-offs and you do the
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putting to beds the laundries and lots
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of other stuff yep I do those things
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making the bed
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changing the sheets yeah well that could
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that soft things yeah that's true
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yeah so we're gonna add to your faith
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hops Ubaid hops hops is soft and he
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huffed but I walk hops which involves a
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leaf which is kind of like a wire that's
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true Wow all of this is really coming
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together yeah this is a very well
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thought out very well planned I don't
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like everything I always say very
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well-thought-out yeah Marco it didn't
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even oh my goodness no less nothing
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prepared oh I have a list it's just
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terrible okay all right let me get my
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paper here I have a notebook I write
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things down and stuff I don't know did
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you hear that
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microphones pretty good all right so
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since we're not doing the topic that we
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talked about in the kitchen that we kept
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telling each other stop stop stop
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talking stop talking say before the show
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we're not doing that so you're going to
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do top four reality TV shows okay I mean
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I wanted to vary it up a little bit and
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like you know maybe come back to this
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one later but because your topic was so
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awful you have forced my hand
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to the reality TV show topic now reality
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TV shows include a lot of things it
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includes competition shows it
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I don't know competitions well it
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includes category of like survivor and
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Big Brother like those kind of like what
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some of those like kind of competitions
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but wearing the country shows various
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finding things shows working in a store
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shows working I don't know wait so what
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is Hanks would that include things like
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diners drive-ins and dives
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absolutely yeah does it's based in
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reality they're going places and they're
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doing stuff even there's one host which
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is fine but they're like talking to
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people in real life see to me this I
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think there's a lot of overlap here with
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the Netflix garbage shows category now
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do if we still want to do a Netflix
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garbage show category no this is Netflix
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car my shows I mean like but it doesn't
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have to be on Netflix but we just happen
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to consume all of our television through
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Netflix so if it wasn't on Netflix in
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the last like six years so we probably
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haven't seen it right I don't have it
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the television actually yes we don't
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have we have a television set but we
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don't have cable yeah there's a word for
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we're cord cutters that sounds like a
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berthing thing well I mean I guess
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everybody would be no I guess no you
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could just wait for it to fall off right
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you know you have to cut it eventually
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I'd please don't god stop okay it's
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reality shows apparently we are called
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cord cutters yes you never heard that
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before I mean I guess I have but I just
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never thought of myself as one well we
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did it before was cool we did it in like
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2006 I did it before that because all my
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jobs I never bothered having TV cuz I
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was wandering the country that's true
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yeah anyway so we are cord cutters I'm
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sorry to tell you but we do have you
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know Netflix iTunes and occasional other
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trust me there are plenty of chords in
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this house yes I make sure of that so
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with that being said so see to me that I
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think the goal here you know we
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discussed having a Netflix garbage shows
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category and to me it's different
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because like something like top reality
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shows I would put Top Chef really high
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might be number one we'll see but Top
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Chef to me is really really high on that
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list but Top Chef is not a Netflix
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garbage show and when you go to the TV
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you're going to it with a certain role
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in mind if you just had a really tough
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day a really tiring day you're exhausted
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you want to go and sit on the couch and
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watch TV and maybe browse Twitter while
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you're watching TV you're not going to
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put on something like Top Chef it's
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actually good that you want to pay
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attention to you're gonna put on a
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garbage show so to me this might be a
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separate category hmm Joey split this up
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I think so I think this is chuh shows
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everything is ruined my shirt is just
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obliterated but I don't I can't think of
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anything else that's like a good reality
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show besides the two that I have is my
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top two Top Chef Project Runway yeah yep
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yeah so I don't I guess we could go
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further down but because like it just
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degrades from there it really does I
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don't so we both just said Top Chef
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would be our favorite show because I
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find that to be a fantastic reality show
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the camaraderie is usually really good
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between the contestants it is kind of
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classy you know they don't really fight
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that much it's not about the fighting if
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they do fight it's more about the
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cooking and the menus and the meals and
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who's good at their craft it's not so
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much about the the drama
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I guess that a lot of other reality
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shows kind of fall victim to and that's
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also kind of why I like Project Runway I
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mean yes there's plenty of drama and
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Project Runway but it's mostly about
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people being really really good at their
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craft and you watching them compete to
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be the best especially when contestants
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start helping each other which often
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happens on both of those shows and then
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you always have that one guy that's like
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I'm here to not make friends and I'm
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here to win I'm here to win I'm not here
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to make friends and I'm not gonna help
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anybody and it's like guys you're told
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those guys always win do you think it's
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a thing like you know how there's
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there's the Wilhelm scream have you ever
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heard of this no it's this very famous
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movie sound effect and it's kind of a
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thing to put it in every movie somewhere
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you know about movies no but I know
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it's like it's like an insider joke
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among filmmakers and film buffs that
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there's this one sound effect called the
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Wilhelm scream I think that that is just
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in like tons and tons of movies from you
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know decades ago and forward and it's
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it's like this joke to kind of put in
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everything do you think reality show
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producers have that kind of joke where
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they they just always have to have in
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every season of every series they always
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have to have somebody saying I'm not
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here to make friends I'm here to win I
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think so because I'm pretty sure I've
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heard it on every single reality show
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season of like a competition show that
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can possibly remember yeah I I'm I'm
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almost positive I have and it's it's
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funny cuz it's like it's the exact same
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phrase almost every time like if there's
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not a lot of variety in that phrase and
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it's in everything even the shows like
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Top Chef which you're pretty low drama
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and even even a lot of the shows like
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like chopped or you know some like the
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shorter shows but they don't even have
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that much time to throw in stuff like
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don't worry no they're still there not
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to make friends someone always make sure
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that they say that even if it takes like
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two or three episodes with a show like
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chop the contestants change every single
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episode there's still that guy that's
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gonna come on and say he's not there to
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make friends it's like you're here for
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like 30 minutes guy like you still there
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were these hairs like no no one cares to
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be here right like no one's jumping down
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your throat to be your friend like you
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can calm down see I I really hope that
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at some point they have somebody on
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there that says you know what I'm here
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to make friends I don't really care if I
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win yeah I'd like to hear that too
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it'd be cool to have to have some shows
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start throwing and throwing that and
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every time it's dead yeah but then they
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wouldn't get put on because then they're
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not like a personality well that's a
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personality just maybe a different one
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maybe maybe a less exciting one mm-hmm
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that's true you know there was a on
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project one way I think a lady named
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sweet pea she was very nice she was that
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kind of person how'd she do she do okay
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didn't get that far
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right cuz she was there to make friends
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I mean but she did make friends did she
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I don't know I kind of hope she did
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don't know think about have you ever had
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friends on a reality show see your
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essence because you know the inside you
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know and you know that the answer for
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you is yes so let me reflect your
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question back super famous so to other
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have you ever had friends on every aisle
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why funny you ask I really did really
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which show would that be Top Chef and
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Project Runway I forgot what the top
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chef won yeah well I mean okay they
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weren't like we're not like BFFs that we
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talk all day so my Top Chef connection
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when I was a senior when I was a
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freshman he was a senior and we went to
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prom together in the same limo because I
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went to prom as a freshman I was invited
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by a senior and so yeah we went to prom
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together in the same limo and hung out
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together afterwards and the next day and
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I knew him from school and theater stuff
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and singing and everything and yeah so
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he ended up being a chef on Top Chef and
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his name is Richard Sweeney I think
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never said that it was such a good
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friend didn't say that that's true well
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you should at least know the name of the
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contestant on and on it was one of those
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things that you look you watching a show
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and you're like that guy really looks
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familiar and then all of a sudden you're
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like oh my gosh that's someone I knew
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but when you knew someone from high
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school and he was 18 years old and come
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on now we're in our 30s and he's four
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years old three years older than me
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anyway this American boy okay that's me
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and his life is totally different now
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so you see I feel like you you probably
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can't claim him as a friend I'm not
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claiming you can traverse day I'm saying
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I've known people on reality shows from
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real life okay because I love to
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name-drop no I really don't look so so
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you said they were two and the second
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one was on Project Runway yes the second
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problem Project Runway a co-worker of
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Alexander Pope was on Project Runway was
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it last season I believe it was last
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season anyway he did really great and he
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didn't get to the end but I think he
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should have gotten further than he did
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and I worked with him for a number of
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years at making costumes so he is very
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very talented and really a hilarious
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person who loves roller coasters what
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was the topic again
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reality shows oh my gosh the reality
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shows that you're either good or bad
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that you watch either for the goodness
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or their badness but I thought you
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wanted to separate them I do because I
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think they should be different but you
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are saying they shouldn't I mean why
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don't it sounds like we only have one or
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two good ones so why don't we just talk
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about the bad ones okay it's cool right
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up me do you have any other good ones no
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I mean I do you want to hear my short
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long list you you you could seem to be
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the one that is more prepared than me on
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this show but in reality I think you are
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just as unprepared you just have a
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written down version of your
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unpreparedness and mine is just like a
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slacker I didn't do anything version
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I'll tear you alright what do you got
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alright cuz you're gonna forget about
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half of these shows absolutely okay so
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we got Project Runway Top Chef
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Mythbusters on Starz LA Ink storage wars
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Cake Boss a GT so you thinking can dance
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Pickers Hell's Kitchen Ramsay's Kitchen
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Nightmares Dog Whisperer hoarders
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hoarders what not to wear beauty and the
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geek did you forget about that one I
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didn't you know today Preppers man
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versus food and how the state's got
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their shapes which we've been recently
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watching always like four episodes of it
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so you had on there you ask me about
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beauty in the geek
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beauty and the geek to me it was I don't
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think it has drone for quite some time I
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think it's the only brand new four or
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five seasons maybe Last Comic Standing
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was good I never saw that we should
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watch it a beauty and the geek I thought
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like I liked it in the sense that I am a
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geek and that a lot of the people on
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there I could relate to in in a lot of
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ways but I didn't think it was that
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great of a show like I we watched it we
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enjoyed it at the time but I really
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don't think it would hold up if you
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actually tried to watch it again not
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that reality shows ever do but like I
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think I think if the same show aired
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today we wouldn't even try watching it
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because I think we would just assume no
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I mean terrible reality shows aren't
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really rewatchable know what I'm saying
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like you know if they if the show was
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still running if it if it if it had
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started today
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we wouldn't even a chance mmm probably
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not no no I watched a lot of garbage
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probably if it was on Netflix we would
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probably try it right
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what about Undercover Boss it so just so
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painful we can talk about it though
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because it's hilarious he has a bad
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reality garbage Netflix show I think
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it's great because you don't put a lot
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of thought into it
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it's incredibly repetitive and doesn't
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tie in between episodes so you can jump
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in and watch any of the episodes and it
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doesn't really matter whether you watch
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them all in what order you watch them
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they're self-contained so you don't like
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watch a whole season to know what's
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going on so as a garbage show it is very
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very good and it is so very very bad
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well because that's the best thing it's
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so commonly bad like I love when they
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put on their disguises oh yeah like
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who's gonna recognize the CEO of some
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random company like Oh 1-800 limos who's
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the CEO of that nobody knows but they
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need to put on disguise because someone
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might recognize you and then the big
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time like the couple times that like
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almost happened they hype it up so much
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like oh my god his covers gonna be blown
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and then that's it and the whole things
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of math it's all gonna be over uh and
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then it's not really and they're like
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you just need to keep it quiet if you
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know I am yeah and that's it and like
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and they go to like five different
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locations in each episode anyway so it
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doesn't even matter like if one of the
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managers recognize you but yeah you're
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right like like I mean I I used to work
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at Staples and I was in college I have
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no idea who the CEO of Staples was while
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I was working there no clue I would not
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I wouldn't even know their name let
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alone how to recognize them I can't even
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tell you what age or gender they were I
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have no idea who'd like it could have
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been anybody walking in the door I would
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have no clue and before that I worked at
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bruger's bagels same deal would have no
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idea who the CEO of bruger's bagels yes
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can we just automatically cross this one
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off the list because I it's just bad no
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but it'sit's bad in a way that you want
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and you're watching garbage and so is
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this on your top for for what purpose
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well now we've moved on because what you
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only had one on your other list yeah I
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only have top chef on my on my good list
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they have lots of my bad list so you
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have no you have number one is Top Chef
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and number two three and four
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nothing so you rather watch nothing well
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one of the reality shows do i watch that
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are actually good very few really all
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the other ones that I enjoy are actually
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pretty bad okay so we're onto the bad
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right so and let me just one more thing
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on Undercover Boss the best the best
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thing about that show is how incredibly
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terrible the prizes at the end are what
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about that one guy when they're like
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he's so down on his luck he like needed
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I don't know it's kid needed to go to
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college there was like crazy stuff that
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you know the people who are on the show
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would benefit from like cash a bonus a
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trip anything and someone's like I'm
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donating money in your name to this
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charity and they're like yeah this
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worker who could really use the money
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themselves and their boss is like I'm
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gonna give like a tree in your name yeah
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that was so painful I felt so bad for
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those people that got like the shaft
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prizes it was or like the one not that
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charity is a shaft but I'm just saying
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that you know the only people we're
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working really hard and being really
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awesome at their job and kind of
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deserved a bonus cuz like one person
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they'd be like you're getting a thousand
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dollar bonus and the other person is
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like I planted a tree for you and it's
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yeah it's that's that's weak it is yeah
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it's just is unbalanced yeah and and the
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worst ones that the ones that are like
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we're gonna put you in leadership
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training at our company so it's like
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they're putting the person in one of
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their own corporate programs that it's
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like it's even its work so we're we're
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giving you a different kind of work to
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do for two weeks
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oh my god no that's that that show is
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the best because of how terrible it is
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it is not my number one worst show but
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it is really it is really quite
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unchanged I think I got to say my number
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one worship worst show will have to be
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hoarders I thought you'd say that it's
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so awful I can't even watch it it like I
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that's so bad it's so disturbing to me I
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can't I can't no disturbing i watch it
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because i can't fathom how people could
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live like that and it fascinates me that
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people can live like that and not see it
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yeah and so that's why it's like I don't
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know that's what it's like the creepy
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fascinating other that I feel like when
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I watch that show I'm like what is what
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is going through your mind you know like
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yeah sometimes I walk past a piece of
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paper on the floor and decide not to
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pick it up but I eventually pick it up
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maybe like well days later oh my god now
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it's time for you to go in the trash but
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that's as far as I go but yeah some of
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these some of these ones who it's it's
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hard to watch a couple of them I cannot
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watch animal hoarders because I feel
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very bad for the animals yep but you
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know a good show hoarders doesn't
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doesn't end without a couple dead cats
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so I cannot lie I don't know how you can
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endure that show I cannot watch that
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show it's now that I'm talking about it
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I'm pretty embarrassed
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yeah I'm pretty embarrassed that I watch
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that see to me I think I'm trying to
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think of like my number-one garbage show
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and why not - where's I watch we watch
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totally different garbage shows yeah I'm
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thinking it might be Pawn Stars Pawn
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Stars is really it's really like when
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they had like the old musketoons and
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stuff on that show the old guns because
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I don't hear about guns at all no a gun
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person at all not even not even a little
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bit but no I just I like all like the
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weird stuff they find I'm sure a lot of
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it is like set up and stage and
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everything you know I don't care won't
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care that any of that stage do you know
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a lot of people are like oh how do you
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like that this is staged like I watched
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storage wars that's so bad
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Oh Sarge why that's so good ah yeah it's
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great I love all the crazy stuff they
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find but I mean we did a little
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periscope for like two seconds and
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someone said you know was working for
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them and I hope they're listening hi so
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but I mean even if they plant stuff in
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there which yeah changes things a little
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bit I still really like the show yeah to
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me yeah so so Pawn Stars I think is very
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very good it is very entertaining I also
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really really like cut through a kitchen
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and cut through a kitchen is my kitchen
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how I don't know it's not on the list
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putting it on right now
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so it cut their kitchen to me I mean
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there's lots of bad cooking reality
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shows and cutthroat kitchen I think is
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actually pretty good like when it first
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started I thought all this this has all
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the makings of a bad one like shock is
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the worst chopped
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I can't watch because it's so
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frustratingly bad the judges are bad
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that's why it's because the judges on
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chopped are so fickle when it comes to
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what they're choosing and why they're
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choosing it and they're just like you
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would think they'd say this horrible
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things about one person another person
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completely leaves off half the
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ingredients from their dish and then a
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third person like makes something that
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just needed a little bit of salt and
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you're like oh man it has to be the guy
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that like left everything off his dish
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and then this part of it that he did
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make didn't really taste very good and
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then when they go to reveal the person
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that got chopped it's the dude who left
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off a little bit of salt like right and
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they'll say well you're we had to chop
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you please because your dish was green
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it's like it'll be like some random
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reason and you're like that's the
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problem at that show is like I think to
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enjoy these kind of these judging shows
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he's judging competition shows I think
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the audience has to feel like they can
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predict what's going to happen right
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before it happens so the audience has to
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be able to say oh based on what they
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just said I bet they're gonna eliminate
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that guy you know like the audience have
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to believe that it it makes sense to
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them and the version they're seeing
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makes sense and then with chopped the
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judges like they're there they make the
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craziest comments and they they cut
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somebody random and it just feels like
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it feels like why am I even watching
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this if there's like kind of rolling the
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dice and for all we know it could be a
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good judging panel that's just edited
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very badly when it's shown on TV but it
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doesn't seem that way it seems like you
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know either they have really a bad
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editors or they have really a bad judges
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and I think it's most likely they really
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about judges they just they just judges
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the willy-nilly they don't even think
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about it there's a one woman that she's
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just always angry or at least she always
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looks angry and just everyone was angry
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I just don't even look like they want to
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be there and they're like yeah I'll just
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judge your food and then they're like
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yeah you're chopped and it just I don't
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feel like that the people that win
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necessarily deserve it and I think that
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that's frustrating but with cutthroat
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they have hilarious hilarious what do
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they call them the judges no sabotages
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yeah it was we really liked Alton Brown
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so we find him fantastic we really like
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to show good eat good eats and and we
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saw him do a show live which was really
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fun so we really liked him as a host and
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then the judges they have on or often
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people that were on Top Chef which is
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excellent and also they seem their
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judging is much more competent and yeah
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the sabotages are so funny I love the
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tiny kitchen yeah they're just a
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constantly something really funny that
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is gonna mess people up and then yet
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people overcome and it's very very good
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yeah it's like like usually the people
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who got the most sabotages like it
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doesn't seem to affect who loses or not
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like it doesn't seem to have a very
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strong correlation of like if you get
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sabotage the most you will lose like
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there's not it doesn't seem like that is
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the case yeah my I definitely I love the
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ones where they have where they get like
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funny-looking tools like either like you
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know factional you're too late' of tin
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foil or whatever like so there's so many
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good sabotages there well when they tape
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things to their hands that they can't do
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it like tape is an oven mitt to your
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hand or whatever it's like your only
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source of heat is this like tea light
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it's so bad or like they just give you
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this garbage ingredient to replace this
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beautiful fresh ingredient with I
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remember what we watching that that 100
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year old egg that was on that was truck
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hopped but what they should do on
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cutthroat kitchen if they haven't done
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it is replace all if they're making like
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egg salad replace all your eggs with 100
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year old eggs but if anyone doesn't know
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what that is look that up we'll put it
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in our show notes which we do now we've
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shot the way we have shown oh I think
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you just signed us up for show notes so
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you'll be in charge of that we do a show
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notes because the first show you
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mentioned like one article so that's our
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they are not extensive they're just you
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know what they are yeah I would say
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among the cooking garbage reality shows
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I would say cut through kitchen is
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almost good enough to be on the good
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list I think it is
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was good enough to be on the good list I
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was and I think about putting it there
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under my project runway I don't that
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good it is very good you you with your
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top three you can't just like pick spots
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this is this is about the top four is
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this is about how many like in order if
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you don't have anything else to put
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between it it's automatically your
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thirds like that's just how it happens
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last show you didn't have a second like
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you just didn't you didn't know there
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was no number two for you know you had
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you had three and you had like six on
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four the only thing I don't like about
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cut their kitchen is the prizes again
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are usually end up being kammath ly
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small like you know they have their own
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fault the most they can they can win is
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$25,000 but I've never seen anybody even
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go above like what about 12 or so I
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can't I can't say for sure and usually
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usually like what we end up seeing is
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somebody will win the show and they'll
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win like maybe 3,000 bucks
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and it's like a half-hour isn't so bad
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for a competition I don't
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that seems unreasonably cheap for what
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you're comparing it to competitions that
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last month's I I guess it still seems
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like a little bit too too small I don't
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know anyway so what what else do you
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have on your list for either good or bad
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reality shows slash competition shows
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slash Buster's well we have to talk
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about a little I like I like tattoo
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shows yeah much Markos chagrin I do not
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have any tattoos marco also does not
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have any tattoos I know of I'm pretty
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sure I know now okay so so so yeah I
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really like tattoo shows and we've been
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recently watching one that was that's
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called um bad tattoos I think yeah and
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it's about a guy who walks around Vegas
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fixing people's tattoos and he's very
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I mean Marco sat down and watched a
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couple with me and I think he kind of
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liked a little bit because it's very
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interesting how good they can cover up
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tattoos with other tattoos yeah I don't
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I don't like tattoos at all
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I it's not I don't like hate people with
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tattoos I just
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just don't do anything for me I just
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don't like they don't appeal to me at
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all and so I don't I can't look at the
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show and say oh that's a really awesome
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tattoo but what I can do is I can look
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at this show and I can say wow that was
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a really creative job and a really
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effective job at covering up that bad
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tattoo you know like that's what like
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any other tattoo show I wouldn't really
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enjoy you like tattoo makeover shows
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sure it's just like it's interesting
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it's like it's a design problem it's
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like how the heck do you cover that up
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and the guy is really good yeah you
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can't see like even when there's like
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crazy thick Fontan words they over them
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up I mean they have to come up with like
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tremendous tattoos but they do it and I
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also I love LA Ink that was one of my
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favorite reality shows which is Kat Von
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D's tattoo shop in LA and I love her
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show I think she's excellent and she's a
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fantastic artist if he's ever seen the
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show she can tattoo portraits on people
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that look real it's it's incredible she
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can also draw them so she is you know
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very very talented in many many ways and
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she just happens to be an incredible
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tattoo artist there's that I have
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nothing to say I've walked through and
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seen like five minutes of it and I can't
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get through it because that that seemed
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like a shift from the pit from the parts
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I've seen correct me if I'm wrong is
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that a show that's more about like the
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interpersonal relationships and drama
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and stuff it gets there but I watch it
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for the tattoos it's like I used to
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watch I to watch it for the tattoos
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because I like the art version I like
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read it I read the articles right I do I
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do read the articles like I watch it
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because I want to see it's like I want
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to see you know the finished product I
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want to see how it comes out because
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these people are really fantastic
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artists that just happen to be doing
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tattoos on people and I find it
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interesting what people decide to put on
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their body permanently and what their
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choices are yeah yeah so also I want to
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talk about to totally switch gears here
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Dog Whisperer that's interesting okay I
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guess that's a reality show yeah that
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makes sense it's wholly reality show and
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you know we watch Dog Whisperer a lot
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and we learned a lot
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Cesar who is the dog whisperer I want to
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say Cesar Chavez but that's not it Cesar
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Millan I know it's these are balloons
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yeah but you don't know what Cesar
00:31:17
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Chavez look like no nevermind anyway
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that Simpsons
00:31:20
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you're the worst okay right before we
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got hops we watched tons and tons of Dog
00:31:25
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Whisperer and when he was a puppy and we
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did almost everything that they said and
00:31:29
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he is an amazing dog now yeah and we've
00:31:32
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also we have we have done tricks like
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that or like training methods like that
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in small ways whenever we are around
00:31:40
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like you know our parents dogs or
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whatever and they work like instantly
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yeah it's it really is incredible how
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much Cesar is right about how dogs work
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and I know that there's there's a lot of
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controversy around his methods from some
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people and I don't have look too deeply
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into those into the controversy because
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all we know is that the parts that we do
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work really well well he's dealing with
00:32:05
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a lot of the times dogs that are
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problems or already like pretty bad and
00:32:10
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he needs to you know rehabilitate the
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dog so it's better and then train people
00:32:16
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that's there's a little logo line and to
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teach them how to communicate with dogs
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properly so that the dog understands
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what the human wants the dog to do and
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if you start off fresh with the puppy or
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a dog that's only slightly misbehaving
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and not like aggressively biting people
00:32:32
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you can take his methods and it really
00:32:36
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works like just simply taking your dog
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for a walk appropriately like not
00:32:41
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letting the dog pull you on a walk but
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farce forcing the dog to walk with you
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it just changes everything it doesn't
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matter what kind of leash you have on
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the way that it really doesn't like it
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just it matters how you are deciding to
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walk with your dog this is that's very
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hard for me to not say long island walk
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with your dog into the Long Island
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corner there yeah anyway so little
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things like that small training bits
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like making the dog wait before going
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through doorways sit and make eye
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contact before giving them food things
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like that just really very quickly make
00:33:20
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very well-behaved dog yeah it's really
00:33:22
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we have had such great luck with those
00:33:24
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methods and part of it you know
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obviously some dogs are easier to train
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than others because of their
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personalities and our dog is also just
00:33:30
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really easy because he's naturally very
00:33:33
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like a rabid and submissive and it's a
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natural rug so what's next on your list
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of good or bad reality we're still going
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are we done I don't know well do you
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have you now you're trying to get all up
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on my list you didn't want anything to
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do with my list
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well we watched so much garbage I have a
00:33:54
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GT on here but we didn't we haven't at
00:33:58
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which stands where America's Got Talent
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which we started watching because Howard
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Stern's on it where Howard fans yeah I
00:34:05
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really don't see us watching it after he
00:34:08
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leaves which is presumably after this
00:34:09
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season no I wouldn't either I have Cake
00:34:11
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Boss on here okay seemed like it was
00:34:14
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pretty good actually like as these shows
00:34:16
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go there's much more about like the
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family brush painting with each other
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and that gets really old fast I mean I
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used to love watching America's Next Top
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Model until it became the Tara banks
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look at me show and it also became about
00:34:28
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all of the models complaining to each
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other in the house pretty much the whole
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time because I was watching that show
00:34:34
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again for the photographs like I wanted
00:34:37
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to see the photos that they got out of
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people and you know how they look before
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before they're all like done up and then
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they're you know the artistic process
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that's what I found the show interesting
00:34:47
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for and then it just became total
00:34:49
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garbage fight fest so I quit watching
00:34:51
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that let's talk about man vs. food
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that's a pretty good one yeah I mean you
00:34:58
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you're more into it than I am because
00:34:59
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you just love crazy stuff I mean how do
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you rank that between your other because
00:35:07
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you had you seem like you have a lot of
00:35:09
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shows that are about the same rank yeah
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I'm pulling to you here I have like a
00:35:14
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whole bunch my number six shows and I
00:35:17
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have nothing three or four but I really
00:35:20
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like my own versus food because I like
00:35:22
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well I don't necessarily want like
00:35:24
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watching competitive eating but I do
00:35:26
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like when he goes around to the
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different restaurants all over the
00:35:29
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country and talked about like what their
00:35:31
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best thing is
00:35:33
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it just looks so delicious yeah like
00:35:36
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like the that show usually has a two
00:35:38
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segments that the first one is like I'm
00:35:40
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just going to go eat something that's
00:35:41
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really famous and the second half is
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like now I'm gonna go eat like the big
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challenge food and I usually I like the
00:35:47
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first half better most of the time
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because usually the first half is the
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part that's more like food tourism and
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the second half is more like let's see
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if you can finish this ridiculously
00:35:56
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seemingly impossible task of eating this
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pile of garbage well see if you just
00:36:00
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want food tourism you could always do
00:36:01
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guy Furies diners drive-ins and dives
00:36:03
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but I find I think his name is Adam
00:36:07
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actually yeah the guy's name is Adam who
00:36:10
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does members food man vs. food I find
00:36:12
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him more personable and I just I had the
00:36:17
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places he goes they're pretty neat I'm
00:36:18
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pretty sure there's been plenty of
00:36:20
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overlap between the two but I like that
00:36:22
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the show switches it up and then they
00:36:25
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have like this weird usually like
00:36:26
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strange competitive eating aspect to it
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at the end it's pretty gross when he
00:36:31
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vomits especially after having
00:36:33
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milkshakes he can't keep down those
00:36:36
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milkshakes I don't blame him
00:36:37
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trying to drink like 15 milkshakes and
00:36:40
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you know a half hours really unhealthy
00:36:42
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but yeah I like it needs very spicy
00:36:47
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foods very large foods seems to me like
00:36:49
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the the like stuff like the milkshake
00:36:52
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thing like that that is not interesting
00:36:53
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to me like I even as a viewer like that
00:36:55
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that doesn't seem like it's that
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interesting of a challenge to me like
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the best man vs. food challenges are the
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ones that are not just like here's a
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normal thing eat ten of them but instead
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it's like here's like a tremendous
00:37:09
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version of a normal thing or here's a
00:37:10
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really weird combination of things or
00:37:12
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here's like a really extreme version
00:37:14
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like some crazy hot pepper or something
00:37:15
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like you know that I think is more
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interesting than yours 15 milkshakes
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it's not like that that's true so it
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seems like we have found a topic that
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neither of us have strong opinions on
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because you know so it seems like with
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garbey shows like there is no ranking
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for garbage you know I think that
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there's just one big pool of garbage but
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yeah I mean it's just it's hard to rank
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things because the longer they last the
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worse they get in terms of seasons
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usually because they start you know
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stretching you know and reaching for
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straws is that the phrase I don't know
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grasping at straws sure she's reaching
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for the stars they start reaching for
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the stars yeah okay
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and then it's just it all falls apart
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and it's not very good and even when
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they switch the people if they try and
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do that then it's jarring it's just not
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good and then a lot of it's very
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repetitive or it's sad or it's you know
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like you know the addiction shows like I
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can't watch any of those they're just
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too depressing yeah yeah I liked what
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not to wear a lot but then that gets a
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repetitive - because they always put
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everyone in the same outfit they're like
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well we're gonna try and style this for
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you but it totally looks like the same
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dress that they put the other girl in
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that was a completely different person
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they've changed the color Holmes
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Inspection home done Holmes will see
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novel see Holmes on a home they don't
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actually enjoy that much
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we tried watching a few of them they
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aren't that good that's your home's
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inspection the same guy different
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different kind of show it makes you
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spanic about your house it may if you
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own a home it's like oh my god what are
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all the things there fuck with my house
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right this instant
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that is leaking creating mold and my
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walls are gonna fall down yeah you got
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to watch Homes inspection it's on
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Netflix at least at the time we were
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recording it I'm pretty sure it's still
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there and it there's only been a handful
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of season that that company unless yeah
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yeah homes inspection and it is oh my
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god it is so scary cuz like the guy Mike
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Holmes Mike on yeah he's great like he's
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an actor yeah Canadian of course
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although all the nicest people are
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Canadian so so he's great and he he
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basically goes and homes on homes I
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think was was less compelling because it
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was like we're gonna go help these
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people who were rich enough to renovate
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their house and they just got a crappy
00:39:35
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job done we're gonna finish it whereas
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like homes inspection is a lot more kind
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of morally justifiable or or more
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there's more empathy there where home
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inspection is like here are some people
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who got screwed on the house they bought
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and and they usually oftentimes as
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people who really couldn't afford to fix
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it yes or to fix it right at least you
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know and like that that I think is a
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more interesting emotionally it's more
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interesting show
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I don't think you could say that these
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people who were the regular homes on
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homes that I mean come on you save up
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money to do a home renovation because
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you want to do it you specifically like
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pick something out you're trying to get
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something fixed in your house it you can
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not have a you know you could have a lot
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of money or you could have very little
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money regardless of it was someone saved
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up to do this to their home and then it
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got done wrong and it was and they don't
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have enough money to do it again that's
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the problem with the ones that the
00:40:29
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contractors failed okay that's true I'll
00:40:31
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give you that that's fair I mean come on
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that's really crappy if like you know
00:40:34
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your contractor comes you take time you
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hire them they do the work and then they
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end up not doing it right and you have
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no repercussion to like find them if
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they ditch you if they leave a job
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half-done a lot of them were like jobs
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that were just never finished they just
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left you know like and then the people
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are like hung up for the money that they
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already gave them and they can't afford
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to have someone else in because they
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already spent half their money getting
00:41:00
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the first job done that didn't work out
00:41:01
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okay that's fair I'll give you that yeah
00:41:03
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but I still think that homes inspections
00:41:06
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inspection is a better show it's more
00:41:07
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relatable it's more like because you
00:41:10
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know everyone who buys a house or even
00:41:12
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lives in a rental house everyone who
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lives anywhere everyone who buys a house
00:41:17
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can relate to the problems that homes
00:41:20
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inspection uncovers whereas the problems
00:41:22
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at homes on homes addresses it's a it's
00:41:24
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a much smaller narrower audience if
00:41:26
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people who can relate to that because if
00:41:27
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that's the only people who have had
00:41:28
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renovation done whereas homes inspection
00:41:30
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is all homeowners that who could look at
00:41:33
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this show and not only enjoy it and feel
00:41:35
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empathy for the people but also like it
00:41:37
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freaks them out and it interests them to
00:41:39
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see all the different ways that these
00:41:41
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houses are terrible and then of course
00:41:42
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that prompts you to look at your own
00:41:43
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house and to see all the ways that your
00:41:45
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own house is terrible in all the ways
00:41:47
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they're discussing on the show oh yes
00:41:49
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it's really great yeah yeah it's awesome
00:41:52
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yeah yeah roof ventilation very
00:41:55
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►
important very important the mold will
00:41:57
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come alright so this episode of top four
00:42:03
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our top four lists are Top Chef
00:42:07
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from me project one runway number two
00:42:10
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from mark oh nothing
00:42:14
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number three nothing for either of us
00:42:18
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right number four
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giant pool of garbage of cars with I
00:42:25
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think cut through a kitchen bobbing at
00:42:28
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the top of that
00:42:29
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yeah cutthroat kitchen maybe that's our
00:42:30
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number three well that's what I said if
00:42:32
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it's if you don't have something in a
00:42:34
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slot and there's one that's over the
00:42:36
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other ones it's your number three like
00:42:38
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you you gotta put it in there I think we
00:42:40
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can leave gaps so here's a question
00:42:42
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think you are think that's that's why so
00:42:45
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to close this out
00:42:47
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let's talk critically about our topics
00:42:50
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►
about Top Chef and Project Runway now do
00:42:52
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you is there anything I don't watch
00:42:54
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►
Project Runway really so so I will
00:42:55
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address this only to you then instead of
00:42:58
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you know officer myself or anyone else
00:43:00
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here so I'll dress is only to you is
00:43:02
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there something about Project Runway
00:43:04
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that you think is declining because it
00:43:07
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has been running a while you said
00:43:08
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earlier shows that run a while have
00:43:10
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things that are declining is there
00:43:12
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something in Project Runway that you
00:43:13
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think is getting worse over time well
00:43:15
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they have new judges which is fine I
00:43:17
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think that they're good judges so it's
00:43:19
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pretty it's fine they are getting a
00:43:22
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little bit more into the drama of things
00:43:24
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and I guess that you know having it be
00:43:28
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on so long it might be getting a little
00:43:30
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long in the tooth is that the right
00:43:32
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thing to say I don't know I think so
00:43:33
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that sounds good
00:43:35
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so but in general I think it's standing
00:43:38
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up because everyone kind of wants to see
00:43:43
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it's fun to watch people make the things
00:43:47
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that they make on Project Runway you
00:43:49
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know because they the challenges that
00:43:50
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they have are usually very creative
00:43:57
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especially when they use an
00:43:58
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unconventional materials challenge or
00:44:00
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they do this kind of challenge or you
00:44:02
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know they have to get fabric from this
00:44:05
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place or they have to work within this
00:44:08
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restriction that they put on them for a
00:44:09
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challenge and that's very interesting to
00:44:11
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see how different people kind of adapt
00:44:16
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to that they had a moment in their
00:44:18
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reality in their show one of the years
00:44:20
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they did this teams thing they tried
00:44:22
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that out and that didn't work out so
00:44:24
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they reverted back the neck
00:44:26
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year and I think they even had a couple
00:44:27
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people on who were on the teams thing
00:44:29
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back because it was such a crappy year
00:44:33
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I think the sponsorship stuff is getting
00:44:36
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a little bad on Project Runway you know
00:44:38
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they're really kind of hounding the
00:44:40
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Lexus sponsorship and cramming it down
00:44:44
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your throat and being like this is the
00:44:45
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Lexus challenge or this is the yoke play
00:44:48
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►
challenge it's like how what does that
00:44:51
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have to do with Project Runway is
00:44:52
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running around some boardwalk trying to
00:44:54
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sell yogurt to people and get them to
00:44:56
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say the words that make them think of
00:44:58
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the yogurt and so then you have to use
00:45:00
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those words as your inspiration for your
00:45:01
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garment like the steps to that in order
00:45:05
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to get back to fashion did that take to
00:45:07
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connect yogurt to fashion it was
00:45:09
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horrible I don't know why they're doing
00:45:11
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that kind of stuff I think that that we
00:45:13
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know why you're doing it oh yeah well we
00:45:15
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know why but I'm saying it's such a good
00:45:17
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show they don't really need to I feel
00:45:20
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like they don't need to do that because
00:45:22
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►
they are a very good reality show
00:45:24
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they're not just like one of these
00:45:25
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one-off garbage pile shows but I mean in
00:45:29
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general I'll keep watching because I
00:45:30
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really like seeing again it's the it's
00:45:32
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►
the artistic creative results that I
00:45:37
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►
like to watch I love the very final part
00:45:39
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of this episode is when they're showing
00:45:42
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what came down the runway versus what
00:45:45
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they had to work with and I I find the
00:45:47
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creative creativity and the people the
00:45:50
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best part that's why I like Top Chef
00:45:52
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it's their creativity and their food
00:45:54
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►
that's why I like Project Runway and I
00:45:57
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like quarters no no well I like to see a
00:46:02
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clean house ish even though we know it's
00:46:05
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►
probably not going to stay that way but
00:46:07
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that's why I tried to like top model but
00:46:10
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that fell through for me and that's why
00:46:13
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►
I like Cake Boss because you get to see
00:46:15
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all the cakes that they make creatively
00:46:17
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►
after you know what someone ordered
00:46:19
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►
versus how they come up with it and how
00:46:21
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they build it and it's that part's I
00:46:24
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love the result the creative result you
00:46:27
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know in a in a reality show so now I'm
00:46:30
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gonna turn the question that I just
00:46:31
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►
asked you about Project Runway on to
00:46:33
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both of us for Top Chef Top Chef we both
00:46:35
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agree our number one pick right yeah
00:46:37
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►
definitely so what do you
00:46:40
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►
think about Top Chef if anything what do
00:46:42
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►
you think is is getting worse over time
00:46:46
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►
see to me I can point to definitely some
00:46:50
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►
of the corporate tie-ins while it
00:46:52
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►
doesn't sound like it's as bad as the
00:46:53
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Project Runway ones some of them are
00:46:55
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►
pretty painful and forced yeah yeah when
00:46:58
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they're like let's use the Reynolds Wrap
00:47:01
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►
challenge right right and you have to
00:47:04
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►
it's like and let's say we have to pile
00:47:06
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►
every one into this new Toyota and we're
00:47:07
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►
gonna talk about how spacious it is wow
00:47:09
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I can't believe no I hate them drive
00:47:11
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►
themselves to go shopping like well but
00:47:15
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what I mind is is when they make the
00:47:17
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contestants talk about how nice the car
00:47:20
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►
is yes it's so obviously forced and and
00:47:23
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►
you know they're feeding them line so
00:47:25
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►
obviously Showtime with watching them do
00:47:28
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►
like the automatic parking or something
00:47:30
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►
yeah like or like oh let's watch this
00:47:32
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►
trunk open wow that opens so smooth like
00:47:35
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►
they're wasting time it's like I want to
00:47:37
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►
the show I want you to spend time on
00:47:41
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►
showing me why you're like doing the
00:47:43
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►
thing you're doing and how you're
00:47:44
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►
creating it and what your thoughts are
00:47:46
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►
you know all the good parts of the show
00:47:48
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►
right it's like we're buying the show on
00:47:49
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►
iTunes so it's commercial free we don't
00:47:52
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want to see a Toyota commercial in the
00:47:54
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►
middle maybe that's why they're doing
00:47:55
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because they know so many people now are
00:47:57
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►
buying these kind of shows like
00:47:58
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commercial free and it's that's possible
00:48:01
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►
honestly I doubt that many people buy
00:48:03
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them on iTunes but that's that's just a
00:48:05
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guess but so I do think that that Top
00:48:07
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Chef has that problem of a lot of those
00:48:10
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corporate sponsorships are really forced
00:48:11
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and and and not only do they take up
00:48:14
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time but I think some of them actually
00:48:15
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make this show worse like like when they
00:48:17
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mess with the challenges and then
00:48:19
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►
another another big thing is when they
00:48:20
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have gimmick judges at the challenges so
00:48:24
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one example from from a recent season
00:48:26
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was when they had pee-wee Herman on and
00:48:29
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and and I like like I was a huge pee-wee
00:48:32
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Herman fan as a kid I loved pee-wee
00:48:33
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Herman why he's real you know well but
00:48:37
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they didn't have Paul Reubens on they
00:48:40
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had pee-wee Herman the character yeah
00:48:42
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you rode a bike in and everything Paul
00:48:44
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Reubens is like 60 so it was kind of
00:48:46
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weird but that's right he don't have
00:48:48
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that creepy makeup on and everything -
00:48:50
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yeah and and so like as much as I love
00:48:53
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Herman as a kid that just was weird it
00:48:56
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didn't fit it felt like both it felt
00:48:59
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like both Paul Reubens / pee-wee Herman
00:49:01
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and Top Chef were selling out to each
00:49:03
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other like they were both sellouts it
00:49:05
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made me think less of both of them that
00:49:08
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that happened and they'll and they'll
00:49:09
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have you know different like you know
00:49:10
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musicians and actors on sometimes two
00:49:13
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and we're like well I they like green
00:49:14
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things I really like eggs and Billy with
00:49:17
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peewee Herman it was like what do you
00:49:19
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make for a fictional character and then
00:49:21
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how does a fictional character judge
00:49:23
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things it was just weird yeah they'll
00:49:26
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have stuff like that where it's like you
00:49:28
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know some some of the gimmick challenges
00:49:30
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are a little weird and and sometimes
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they'll have them and this this is
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arguable whether this is a problem
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sometimes they'll have elimination
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decisions based on really kind of wacky
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challenges that you kind of think like
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that was kind of unfair to eliminate
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someone for that you know but that's
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less of a problem that the the tie-ins
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with the celebrities and the product
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endorsements are are I think the biggest
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challenge but for the most part you know
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I think Top Chef really holds up that
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the core of the show the judging seems
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like it's solid it seems like you know
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we've never had a serious problem with
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the top chef judging as viewers like we
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and we've watched every season so the
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the judging is solid it seems like the
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the the competition the core of it most
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of it is solid and the editing and
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everything still seems good it doesn't
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seem like it's getting too trashy or to
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into the drama or anything like that it
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seems like overall it's still very solid
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there's these few little cracks in the
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foundation that get me a little worried
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about it yeah I agree and Project Runway
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is very similar that yeah
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all right I think that's it hey make it
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work wait I want to add a segment to our
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show called I have made a huge mistake
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my huge mistake is in relation to our
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video game episode and thinking about it
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a little bit more because we recorded
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that episode kind of we were
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chit-chatting on the couch as couples do
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and talking about stuff and things that
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we like and you know and so we decided
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Mike as you know regular couples do and
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record a podcast and everyone does that
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for the most part I'm pretty solid with
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what I've chose but I think my number
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four was not well thought out I really
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like you know Dead Rising I think it's a
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good game but but I don't really think
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it deserves my four spot and my huge
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mistake I think I need to put in there I
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think I need to put journey I think I
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need to put journey on Syracuse or this
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is not Syracuse of pressure I made this
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decision after no before before I made
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this decision before he was bugging me
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on slack okay
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but the reason I decided to put journey
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on is because I played it again would be
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it was my third time now playing journey
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and normally I don't really care for
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games that have kind of a Japanese
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animation tone to it I just that art
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style isn't appealing to me and so I
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can't usually get very into games like
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that this game does have a little bit of
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that especially you know with the carpet
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dogs dragony creatures that are in this
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game but it is way more stylized than
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that and playing through it again and
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the magic of it I think I really do need
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to have it as my top four my number 4
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slot because it's so different I was
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writing it off because I was thinking it
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wasn't as joyful replaying it as I
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thought but since we recorded I had to
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replate it again and it really deserves
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a spot because it is unlike any other
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game and its really very it's a very
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special game and it deserves at least
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number four so I put that out there and
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I'm not ever there has been so much talk
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about journey if you want to know more
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about journey the incomparable has
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talked about journey we John siracusa
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and I talked about journey on ATP one of
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the episodes we'll put that in the show
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notes along with the incomparable
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episode and Mike on Mike and Federico
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talked about Israel on virtual yes so
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there's been lots of journey talk and
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you know a little bit of hearing your
00:53:27
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friends talk about journey kind of makes
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you love it a little bit more because as
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you hear people getting excited about
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playing it for the first time you get
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really it it because you want to know
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about someone else's first time and then
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that's exciting and I think that that
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aspect of it the camaraderie the joy the
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the delight the the magic that that
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journey has really elevates it up beyond
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what I would I originally you know one
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off thinking about I was thinking too
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much about the fun and the instant
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thrill and the excitement and the
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adrenaline of a lot of the other games
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that I've that I've chose and I wasn't
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thinking about the small independent
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games that I have played and so I think
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journey journey absolutely deserves a
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spot so I'm sorry journey I made a huge
00:54:21
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mistake but I hope I'm making it up for
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you now can I stop now yeah so you want
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to go watch something stupid