The Accidental Tech Podcast

◼   ► so you use the it's a 15 inch know you

◼   ► have but you know you have the the

◼   ► escape with the 5k and the escapes

◼   ► clamshell close its back to a 15

◼   ► remember I know I make it hard to keep

◼   ► track

◼   ► I can't keep track holy shit on a 15

◼   ► touch bar I'm a 15 touch bar which I

◼   ► never actually used the touch bar and

◼   ► that was because all the ports it was

◼   ► partially because of the ports it was

◼   ► partially because I tried the first few

◼   ► weekends I was spending here I used the

◼   ► the map book escape with the 5k and it

◼   ► was struggling to drive all those pixels

◼   ► like basic operations like window

◼   ► dragging was slow and and then and I I

◼   ► did want more performance if it was

◼   ► gonna be like my main computer for a

◼   ► month of heavy iOS development you know

◼   ► then I rationalize it away by saying

◼   ► well then when I go home I can bring the

◼   ► LG 5k and I can sell my iMac while it is

◼   ► still under any kind of warranty it has

◼   ► like it's I think it's under warranty to

◼   ► October and then you know use my

◼   ► clamshell with this but instead of I

◼   ► have now as my main set up until the Mac

◼   ► Pro comes out next year so I have

◼   ► appropriated a second 4k monitor which

◼   ► is a story that's not worth telling at

◼   ► the moment so I have two of these LJ 4k

◼   ► monitor LG for the Duchesse ALJ LG 4k

◼   ► monitors that are now being run off of

◼   ► my pre touch bar MacBook Pro and to be

◼   ► honest it actually seems just fine with

◼   ► these now granted there for K not 5k

◼   ► it's a big difference but it seems just

◼   ► fine with two 4k s however I have

◼   ► forgotten how persnickety and and fickle

◼   ► Mac OS is when it comes to clamshell

◼   ► mode there are lots of times that all

◼   ► like I put it to sleep and I open it up

◼   ► and it spurious and sometimes doesn't

◼   ► wake up I don't put it to sleep and I

◼   ► just rip all the cables out and I walk

◼   ► away and it goes to sleep and then may

◼   ► or may not wake up I'll open the lid and

◼   ► I'll rip all the cables out then

◼   ► everything just dances all over the

◼   ► place and then it may or may not

◼   ► actually be the way I want it to be its

◼   ► clamshell is not really what we should

◼   ► be doing with these things which is

◼   ► unfortunate because I do like it when I

◼   ► have either you know a 5k is you have or

◼   ► like a couple of for K's like I have and

◼   ► say what like as

◼   ► I've been using clamshell here at

◼   ► vacation times and I completely agree

◼   ► like it's been a while since I've used

◼   ► just a laptop with Mac OS at like laptop

◼   ► with a desktop screen connected to it

◼   ► like it's been a like I used to do it

◼   ► all the time I used my my main setup but

◼   ► that was probably a good six seven years

◼   ► ago at least and I had forgotten like

◼   ► quite how just inconsistent a lot of the

◼   ► stuff is like it just it doesn't work

◼   ► right and that le now with the touch bar

◼   ► it's even worse like every time I log in

◼   ► the text box won't show on the main

◼   ► screen I think you start typing because

◼   ► it's the laptop is waiting for touch ID

◼   ► but it's closed and so on the big LG

◼   ► screen it just shows me a login window

◼   ► and it will not show the text area

◼   ► unless you start typing it's like weird

◼   ► little stuff like that it's just it's

◼   ► just not it's not good I really honestly

◼   ► I'm rethinking my plan now of like

◼   ► getting rid of my iMac early I'm like oh

◼   ► god this is this is awkward

◼   ► not to mention like this lg screen is

◼   ► such a piece of crap really

◼   ► I rented a vanity for like it's not I

◼   ► mean so one thing is I had to get an

◼   ► Ergo Tron arm because the stand is so

◼   ► wobbly

◼   ► it just kept wobbling like every time I

◼   ► would like type on my keyboard I don't

◼   ► think I'm I'm that aggressive of a

◼   ► typist but every time I would type on

◼   ► the keyboard my monitor would wobble

◼   ► back and forth but yeah yeah LG is it's

◼   ► it's a piece of crap it's just it's not

◼   ► a good it's it's a PC monitor it has

◼   ► crap speaker that has crap frame around

◼   ► it it's you know it had that stupid

◼   ► interference problem with the early ones

◼   ► like it's just not a well engineered

◼   ► piece of anything and I I don't expect

◼   ► to be buying more non-apple monitors

◼   ► there if I can help it alright so this

◼   ► is a weird setup for tonight it is

◼   ► currently the evening of Friday the 4th

◼   ► of August and we are going to do a

◼   ► marathon recording session and we need

◼   ► to get this week's which probably won't

◼   ► be released until tomorrow on the fifth

◼   ► Saturday the 5th of August this week's

◼   ► recording which will probably be a

◼   ► mostly normal ATP recording and next

◼   ► weeks which will be released on or

◼   ► around Wednesday the 9th we are going to

◼   ► do a

◼   ► bit of Q&A probably for most of what

◼   ► ends up being the second episode but we

◼   ► are recording these both back-to-back

◼   ► and we may or may not have a cleaned

◼   ► separation between the first episode in

◼   ► the second depending on how aggressive

◼   ► Marko gets when he does the slicing and

◼   ► dicing so I have so many ideas I can

◼   ► only imagine this is like I'm thinking

◼   ► like so my two favorite ideas are either

◼   ► we do like next week on a TP like one of

◼   ► those like previous or we do like the

◼   ► classic cop-out of like I don't know how

◼   ► to end this song in the 80s so I'm just

◼   ► gonna fade it out I'll just be repeating

◼   ► the same sentence over and over again

◼   ► and just slowly fade way to spoil your

◼   ► two best ideas I hope you don't put this

◼   ► in the episode so anyway so this one it

◼   ► might feel this one in the next one I

◼   ► should say might feel slightly weird and

◼   ► I apologize if that's the case like we

◼   ► had mentioned I think on the last

◼   ► episode between the three of us we have

◼   ► planned our vacations to not overlap at

◼   ► all which is kind of unfortunate for

◼   ► times when you want to make sure all

◼   ► three of you are here to record so we're

◼   ► doing the best we can we apologize and

◼   ► thanks for bearing with us

◼   ► that being said John how was your beach

◼   ► vacation it's fine beat that I would

◼   ► have guessed let's talk about TSM C's

◼   ► ten millimeters excuse me ten nanometers

◼   ► versus Intel Intel's 10 nanometers and

◼   ► we had somebody in the know right in and

◼   ► that person said you know I work for one

◼   ► of the companies involved and they might

◼   ► be biased but I like the show this is

◼   ► this person talking and I just wanted to

◼   ► point out that like so many other things

◼   ► in technology naming of processed notes

◼   ► has become more marketing than reality

◼   ► so there's an article that talks about

◼   ► this and one of the recent tricks

◼   ► continues this anonymous email or one of

◼   ► the recent tricks is to quote a distance

◼   ► between features that are not

◼   ► electrically active so this allows you

◼   ► to quote a small number but of course

◼   ► doesn't do much for increasing

◼   ► transistor debt then

◼   ► and another person in a Julian Heather

◼   ► Bell wrote in to say that TSM sees ten

◼   ► nanometers is only a bit denser than

◼   ► Intel's 14 so Intel claims a three-year

◼   ► advantage on ten nanometers and wants to

◼   ► redefine everything we have another post

◼   ► about that and yet another post which

◼   ► will put them show notes about how Intel

◼   ► may still be set to lose process

◼   ► leadership after next year we're gonna

◼   ► race you in a hurry you got somewhere to

◼   ► be we have two episodes to fill here

◼   ► stretch it out you know do you know the

◼   ► TV stretch out motion looks like you're

◼   ► pulling taffy doing the opposite you're

◼   ► doing the the fingers rotate bring it

◼   ► together yeah yeah get it together

◼   ► do you really need to try hard to

◼   ► stretch out follow up apparently we do

◼   ► because Casey's going for a speed run

◼   ► again let me know there will be three

◼   ► links in those show nuts if you want to

◼   ► read more about this but the upshot is

◼   ► that a lot a lot of people rose to say

◼   ► hey until 10 nanometre isn't gonna be

◼   ► way smaller than TSMC Nana made 10

◼   ► nanometre and there's a lot of reasons

◼   ► for that and feature size is not very

◼   ► strictly defined as this couple is

◼   ► emails pointed out you know you can

◼   ► quote-unquote cheat by quoting distances

◼   ► that are in meaningful recording

◼   ► distances that make your particular

◼   ► arrangement look good because again

◼   ► these are when they're laying out the

◼   ► things on the chips it's a 3d

◼   ► arrangement of things there's a layering

◼   ► vertical horizontal you know it's it's

◼   ► three-dimensional it's not just like

◼   ► even though it's done with you know with

◼   ► ography it's not just two-dimensional

◼   ► like a drawing it's actually a 3d shape

◼   ► and it influences what the distances are

◼   ► between things anyway it's complicated

◼   ► but consensus was from all the different

◼   ► feedback and all that in articles that

◼   ► TSMC ten millimeter is not as small as

◼   ► until ten nanometer tint also has a lead

◼   ► and that final link is like well maybe

◼   ► they have lead now but they're gonna

◼   ► lose it and in 2019 and later and I

◼   ► guess we'll see that was still fairly

◼   ► quick thank you very much but you're

◼   ► right we should stretch it out so Steven

◼   ► Dean wrote in to say I can't even

◼   ► continue with it I thought you were

◼   ► struggling to pronounce his name even

◼   ► Dean that one's really difficult so

◼   ► Steven wrote in to say you're missing a

◼   ► lot of your movies sound

◼   ► without a subwoofer your atoms only go

◼   ► down to about 86 Hertz which is normal

◼   ► cutoff for a non full range can you

◼   ► translate that into English for me yeah

◼   ► so basically you know speakers because

◼   ► they are these giant moving things and

◼   ► everything there's a certain frequency

◼   ► range that they're able to reproduce and

◼   ► and what he's saying is that the low end

◼   ► of the frequency range of the woofers

◼   ► that are in my paradigm atom speakers

◼   ► are they can't reproduce very very very

◼   ► low frequencies and subwoofers have a

◼   ► lower floor they can reproduce

◼   ► frequencies much lower and and that is

◼   ► certainly one reason to have a sub

◼   ► woofer I think a better reason to have a

◼   ► sub woofer is to get like more bass

◼   ► energy you know more you can get more of

◼   ► that thump more of that slam I'm like

◼   ► and you know base hits and sounds and

◼   ► stuff and you can just also just get

◼   ► more volume and more spread that's

◼   ► probably a better reason to have it

◼   ► honestly but my my reasons for not

◼   ► liking subwoofers and not really wanting

◼   ► one remain I designed my TV speaker

◼   ► setup to be really good for music in a

◼   ► way that still is okay for TV and I

◼   ► think for music I still largely prefer

◼   ► two speakers not surround and for that

◼   ► to be not with some like big booming

◼   ► thumpy subwoofer you know on in the

◼   ► corner of the room now I know it there

◼   ► are ways to do it better

◼   ► however the arrangement of my living

◼   ► room is such that I don't really have a

◼   ► good place to put a subwoofer or maybe

◼   ► even a pair of subwoofers that would

◼   ► make any sense and that would sound good

◼   ► so you know it lots of people have

◼   ► written in saying you know you can put

◼   ► the subwoofer in good places there are

◼   ► good so but you know there are more of

◼   ► that more you know more ways to do it

◼   ► and then when I said last time and that

◼   ► is true you know in an ideal world but

◼   ► my living room is on an ideal world and

◼   ► so I have limitations of of you know

◼   ► what I can put where how much space I

◼   ► have in the current arrangement how

◼   ► things need to look because we don't

◼   ► want everything to just be this one like

◼   ► giant box so you know my setup is fine

◼   ► for me and if you want subwoofers and

◼   ► you were set up or if you want surround

◼   ► sound and your setup cool I don't really

◼   ► mind either

◼   ► I don't know how the setup is good for

◼   ► music if you're giving up 2286 hurts

◼   ► that entire frequency range that's it

◼   ► that president music - it's not just

◼   ► movies explosions that have it you know

◼   ► I mean all the things about volume

◼   ► obviously yeah maybe you want to

◼   ► exaggerate in a movie but just plain old

◼   ► music music has bass - I know you don't

◼   ► like bass you're doing your own reviews

◼   ► but that's not true i I don't like when

◼   ► basses all you hear and and so while

◼   ► again I agree that it would be nice to

◼   ► have you know solid response across the

◼   ► whole frequency range in practice that's

◼   ► hard it's easy it's way easier doing

◼   ► headphones than it is and speakers

◼   ► headphones you only have one driver and

◼   ► you can you know you can do a lot of

◼   ► even easier things with it but you know

◼   ► the speakers you have to have like large

◼   ► things that depend on the arrangement of

◼   ► your room and and large boxes and large

◼   ► transducers of some kind that vibrate up

◼   ► and down and just get a home pot it will

◼   ► figure out how your room is arranged and

◼   ► make sure everything sounds okay

◼   ► I actually really curious to hear how

◼   ► the home pod deals with bass because

◼   ► basically it's one of those things it's

◼   ► kind of like the it's kind of like how

◼   ► it's hard for very very small camera

◼   ► sensors to do things that require big

◼   ► glass bass reproduction is one of those

◼   ► things where like at some point you kind

◼   ► of just need largeness like you need

◼   ► like a large surface to vibrate slowly

◼   ► to get some of that you know and and so

◼   ► it's very very hard for any kind of very

◼   ► small speaker to have good bass response

◼   ► that's why once the trend moved in

◼   ► computer speakers and then later on home

◼   ► theater speakers once the trend moved to

◼   ► very very small speakers they also had

◼   ► to add subwoofers because the little

◼   ► tiny speakers would reproduce the higher

◼   ► frequency it's just fine but then they

◼   ► needed to add a sub woofer to get the

◼   ► low frequencies and there was no way to

◼   ► make like a small speaker that could

◼   ► also do the low frequencies so the

◼   ► Amazon echo definitely has this problem

◼   ► where the bass on it it's non-existent

◼   ► although the sound quality isn't very

◼   ► good anyway on it so maybe they just

◼   ► don't care but the home pod I would

◼   ► imagine they're gonna care a lot about

◼   ► sound quality so I am really curious to

◼   ► see how they solve that problem if they

◼   ► solve that problem or if they just you

◼   ► know crank up the bass in in DSP in

◼   ► wheaton within the speaker like

◼   ► artificially inflate the little bit of

◼   ► bass they have and just hope that's

◼   ► enough and call today what was the

◼   ► biggest driver in the home pot it was

◼   ► like four inches or six inches or

◼   ► something I don't know I have I sleuth

◼   ► it up six inches is pretty big the whole

◼   ► thing is not that big so we know it

◼   ► can't be it's not bigger than than the

◼   ► pot itself that's a pretty small little

◼   ► thing but yeah I can't yeah can't be

◼   ► that big of a speaker in there it's kind

◼   ► of a shame that you know it was a

◼   ► question I had about them and I still

◼   ► have that although I think it's mostly

◼   ► been answered if you buy two of them

◼   ► like they recommend it's not as if they

◼   ► act like stereo speakers it seems like

◼   ► they both just figure out how to best

◼   ► fill the room with sound but each one of

◼   ► them it's not like one is the left

◼   ► speaker more it's the right and

◼   ► similarly one is wooden doesn't just

◼   ► become the sub you know I mean like

◼   ► imagine if one could just do the low

◼   ► frequencies and it looks like a little

◼   ► subwoofer anyway looks like a jellyfish

◼   ► but apparently they don't work that way

◼   ► when when we were living in Connecticut

◼   ► so this is when I was in like high

◼   ► school and dad had decided that he

◼   ► wanted to take his home theater really

◼   ► seriously and so not only did we have

◼   ► some subwoofers somewhere in the corner

◼   ► of the room but he actually installed I

◼   ► believe the term was based shakers or at

◼   ► least maybe maybe that's a brand like a

◼   ► xerox thing and what is that a

◼   ► proprietary eponym or whatever it is but

◼   ► anyways basically under the floor of the

◼   ► room the the TV room there were a

◼   ► handful of basically vibrator motors

◼   ► like you would find in your phone just

◼   ► much bigger and they were wired into

◼   ► like the amplifier and acted as like

◼   ► ancillary subwoofers so you would

◼   ► literally feel explosions when you were

◼   ► watching movies is pretty cool at the

◼   ► time magic fingers right I'm sure that's

◼   ► a reference and I don't get it but I'm

◼   ► just gonna roll with it these terms all

◼   ► sound really gross and the modern

◼   ► parlance it's a book the local furniture

◼   ► store that has an IMAX theater this is a

◼   ► normal thing if you are from where I'm

◼   ► from oh my god has a thing called butt

◼   ► kickers oh yeah it's not similar yeah

◼   ► they call them butt kickers thing in

◼   ► everybody seat that shakes you it's it's

◼   ► novel it is novel that's well put also

◼   ► Marco I want to commend you for being

◼   ► okay with not perfection

◼   ► because I completely agree with you like

◼   ► it is unequivocally not perfection to

◼   ► not have a subwoofer

◼   ► to be okay with that it's kind of

◼   ► freeing well it's the best it could

◼   ► possibly be okay again it's the living

◼   ► room set up right leg first of all that

◼   ► is mostly not you it was mostly used for

◼   ► TV I still wanted to sound very good for

◼   ► music but it honestly is mostly used for

◼   ► TV and and it sounds very good enough

◼   ► for TV for us and like I even run this

◼   ► by tiff like when we start having all

◼   ► these discussions and everyone's telling

◼   ► us you have to get a center channel you

◼   ► have to you can't you can't use the

◼   ► stereo mix it's terrible I asked him

◼   ► like hey you wanna do other stuff it'll

◼   ► apparently sound betters like no that's

◼   ► it just no and okay really I don't

◼   ► either so I don't even know why I'm

◼   ► asking so there you go no we don't want

◼   ► it but yeah I do understand it would be

◼   ► better but there are there are different

◼   ► factors here also like you know how we

◼   ► want it to look how we actually use it

◼   ► how we actually live you know so that's

◼   ► different when it comes to my headphones

◼   ► on the other hand right I actually

◼   ► recently bought a second pair of my

◼   ► awesome best headphones in the world

◼   ► headphones the hi-fi man he6

◼   ► because they they were discontinued a

◼   ► couple years ago and you kick him

◼   ► anymore so I actually bought a used pair

◼   ► on a forum that was in really like

◼   ► brand-new condition basically and so now

◼   ► I have a backup of those and of course I

◼   ► brought one here so because we're in the

◼   ► middle of a huge long a huge run of new

◼   ► fish shows I'm not gonna listen to that

◼   ► on my crap headphones I want to listen

◼   ► with my awesome headphones so here I am

◼   ► right right in the middle of a huge run

◼   ► of fish shows that before you finish

◼   ► that census like it's like are the fish

◼   ► spawning are they coming up onto the

◼   ► shore and if you get into your house

◼   ► like now nope eh of course

◼   ► well yeah well only one of them is good

◼   ► but is this a thing that happens is like

◼   ► the weather like during the summer

◼   ► that's when the fish shows come

◼   ► [Laughter]

◼   ► Christmas Island crabs they just crawl

◼   ► across the landscape and though there

◼   ► was fish they surely you know the credit

◼   ► am I getting the reference Christmas

◼   ► Island crabs am I getting that right -

◼   ► you know zone no I'm talking about your

◼   ► I see us yeah you're asking the wrong

◼   ► persons person versus people's

◼   ► I think people's the word Rams if you

◼   ► have never googled Christmas Island

◼   ► crabs you need to do that after whatever

◼   ► caused the show Google Christmas on

◼   ► crabs you should watch the videos and

◼   ► look at some of the pictures then come

◼   ► back oh my gosh you have to keep doing

◼   ► the show oh my god what is that what is

◼   ► going on why are they doing this that's

◼   ► when the fish comes and that's the

◼   ► representation of gigabytes of live

◼   ► music of oh my god there's waves and

◼   ► waves of these things and see waves is a

◼   ► very good song there's like three lyrics

◼   ► I'm just just a lot of guitar oh my god

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◼   ► with opinions about bicycles who knew

◼   ► that so many people who listen this show

◼   ► at opinions about bicycles but there are

◼   ► a lot of people that do and one of the

◼   ► things that was striking to me and I

◼   ► wasn't really paying close attention to

◼   ► the feedback to this because quite

◼   ► frankly I don't care however a ton of

◼   ► people a ton of people wrote in to say

◼   ► that Eila bikes that's is LA which is

◼   ► apparently a UK company so this is

◼   ► www.hyken.com

◼   ► all right exactly so anyways almost

◼   ► unanimously almost everyone who wrote in

◼   ► said oh you should get an Iowa bike

◼   ► they're the best they're expensive but

◼   ► they're the best so I actually took a

◼   ► note that when Declan is of age we need

◼   ► to look at these I love bikes because

◼   ► there was not a single person that said

◼   ► oh don't get in Iowa they're overrated

◼   ► but no everyone said get them so we'll

◼   ► put a link in the show notes to their

◼   ► uk-based website and then what is this

◼   ► video that I presume John put we did get

◼   ► tons of suggestions at first when they

◼   ► first started coming in like boy we'll

◼   ► have lots of links for the show notes

◼   ► I'll put links to all these people's

◼   ► recommended bike manufacturers but then

◼   ► there were just too many like there were

◼   ► just too many things so is buy we just

◼   ► won't move the grd rules Iowa bikes got

◼   ► the most recommendations second most

◼   ► recommendations was whoom bikes wo om

◼   ► bikes calm I think they have a us

◼   ► location because the URL have here is us

◼   ► thought one bikes calm there were a ton

◼   ► of other places these are both obscure

◼   ► some people are recommending less

◼   ► obscure things like REI and specialized

◼   ► but a lot of anyway bottom eyes people

◼   ► are finding bikes that they find

◼   ► satisfying but we'll just put these two

◼   ► links in if you're looking for ones that

◼   ► the majority of parents and/or bike

◼   ► nerds recommending them it was these two

◼   ► yeah well and and there were there were

◼   ► a ton of bike recommendations for what I

◼   ► should get like not just what I should

◼   ► get for my son but also what I should

◼   ► get I think what I what I'd have decided

◼   ► and this is based on not actually riding

◼   ► any of these yet what I want is very

◼   ► very low maintenance and simplicity so

◼   ► there I basically came down to a few

◼   ► things that that became things I really

◼   ► consider requirements that end up ruling

◼   ► out most of what people recommend also

◼   ► preferences so you know because I'm like

◼   ► do be moved if I'm riding in a beach

◼   ► town for instance I wanted like two inch

◼   ► tires not the little skinny one-inch

◼   ► ones that are better for like going fast

◼   ► on roads

◼   ► I want big two-inch one so that it's

◼   ► more comfortable it's better you know

◼   ► better if I like have to go on the edge

◼   ► of one of the walks and go into a little

◼   ► packed sand for a second I won't

◼   ► immediately just like stop and fall over

◼   ► like a skinny tire might you know it's

◼   ► so like stuff like that so basically my

◼   ► list of requirements became I want

◼   ► something that could accommodate two

◼   ► inch tires with fenders and the big ones

◼   ► are I want belt drive instead of a chain

◼   ► and I want there to be no God I don't

◼   ► know how to pronounce

◼   ► do you really order a yearly whatever

◼   ► that thing is

◼   ► yeah whatever the thing is that moves

◼   ► the gears you want you want an internal

◼   ► internal geared hubs and a belt drive

◼   ► you're so you're so trendy like you've

◼   ► never you've never had a bike with any

◼   ► one of these things but you already know

◼   ► that you want them because somebody told

◼   ► you that belt drive is better than a

◼   ► chain internal well ok first of all

◼   ► because the bike I have here now that

◼   ► came in the house in the basement is you

◼   ► know a rusty old mountain bike that has

◼   ► a derailleur and rusty a chain yeah but

◼   ► what but when they work they work fine

◼   ► believe me they're fine no it's not no

◼   ► it's not fine

◼   ► because because now we have better

◼   ► things like it was fine when I was a kid

◼   ► when I had my mountain bike rounds like

◼   ► in high school

◼   ► modern bikes would derail as I swear to

◼   ► you are absolutely fine there and don't

◼   ► use your credit file whatever I didn't I

◼   ► haven't used them either I can't say

◼   ► that they're bad I'm just saying like I

◼   ► don't don't pull them as hard fast

◼   ► requirements they're really funny things

◼   ► John is that they now have bike CVTs oh

◼   ► my god yeah look up NuVinci

◼   ► and it's it they have there's a CVT

◼   ► that's it's like about this it seem like

◼   ► it's about in the same price tier as

◼   ► like

◼   ► decent like 11 speed internal hub I just

◼   ► thought like oh my god if I get a CVT

◼   ► John will die like I will never hear the

◼   ► end of it you know it'll be well you

◼   ► already I mean I was just thinking about

◼   ► this the other day both of you are

◼   ► slowly slowly fading from the manuals

◼   ► Marco doesn't even have anymore Casey

◼   ► well I guess you just replaced an on

◼   ► manual with an my manual but still

◼   ► exactly I'm the only one who's holding

◼   ► strong here anyway you take your CVT and

◼   ► just pretend it has gears just like the

◼   ► software does in most modern cars and

◼   ► it's making noises yeah so basically so

◼   ► my short list right now I'm still

◼   ► looking at various things some of the

◼   ► some of the headliners are priority the

◼   ► priority company and actually ordered

◼   ► our priority coast to have here at the

◼   ► beach house for like a general purpose

◼   ► bike because we have lots of people here

◼   ► TIFF wants to ride one also so I figure

◼   ► I'll get this try it out it's belt drive

◼   ► fixed gear coaster brake so it's very

◼   ► simple it's also fairly affordable it's

◼   ► like 400 bucks so I'm getting that to

◼   ► try it out at the high end if I get into

◼   ► this and I want a nice bike probably for

◼   ► home I am very very taken by the button

◼   ► it's bicycles or I don't I assume it's

◼   ► Browns button it's they're pretty

◼   ► expensive but they're very nice and that

◼   ► they basically make exactly what I want

◼   ► so I'm gonna try to find a showroom and

◼   ► try one of those out if I want a nice

◼   ► bike for home it's probably a little

◼   ► expensive for the beach so for the beach

◼   ► I'm looking at priority honorable

◼   ► mention for Breezer and Electra everyone

◼   ► recommended these two brands and I would

◼   ► like to investigate them like to see

◼   ► them neither of them really make what I

◼   ► want like they don't have all those

◼   ► things as a combination but yeah both

◼   ► Breezer and Electra look really really

◼   ► good also everyone says Trek you know

◼   ► there's a reason why Trek is so big and

◼   ► well-known I find the amount of branding

◼   ► on Trek spikes a little bit garish like

◼   ► they like across like the diagonal bar

◼   ► and the frame it just has those giant

◼   ► letters to say trick like I don't really

◼   ► want that like I want something a little

◼   ► more low-key and subtle which we get a

◼   ► Cannondale yes they do yeah like and

◼   ► yeah so like again like wanting a belt

◼   ► drive internal gearing 2h tires and

◼   ► minimal branding

◼   ► that rules out a lot of people suggest

◼   ► so I will I will follow up if I if I buy

◼   ► anything more I'm gonna do the priority

◼   ► for the you know for the next few days

◼   ► and then you know whatever it arrives

◼   ► try that out and then if I love it

◼   ► I'll just use that if I hate it it'll be

◼   ► the tif slash spare bike here and I'll

◼   ► keep Wow know she wants more question is

◼   ► why do you why do you want fenders

◼   ► because of the drainage on this island

◼   ► is not very good there's often in very

◼   ► large puddles I have to drive through so

◼   ► I just don't want it to splash back up

◼   ► on my back oh and for everybody who's

◼   ► sending me the IKEA bike I did look at

◼   ► the IKEA slaughter bike it is belt drive

◼   ► it has internal two-speed gear it is in

◼   ► my opinion one of the most boring

◼   ► looking bikes I've ever seen I would

◼   ► like a bike to have some visual

◼   ► personality it doesn't but not like not

◼   ► to scream its brand name and giant

◼   ► letters on the frame but to have like

◼   ► maybe a color that isn't just black and

◼   ► grey like that would be nice you know

◼   ► some kind of color is the guy who buys

◼   ► black cars my car is bright red mmm this

◼   ► one was although you know what though

◼   ► this priority beach cruiser bike that I

◼   ► ordered it does happen to be white you

◼   ► know it's funny Marco that can happen to

◼   ► a person from time to time can't it it

◼   ► was the only good color funny how that

◼   ► is Marco you know it can happen to a

◼   ► person from time to time

◼   ► can't it that's funny I can't wait to

◼   ► see pictures of you flow by on Instagram

◼   ► on your delete on your delightful white

◼   ► bike it honestly it looks really good in

◼   ► white white is not a bad bike color

◼   ► it's a terrible car color I think this

◼   ► bike looks super dorky which one the

◼   ► priority coaster I ordered it does yes

◼   ► super dorky this looks like a beach bike

◼   ► to me it's a beach bike yes and this

◼   ► company makes something they make other

◼   ► varieties per these priority bikes they

◼   ► make other varieties that are almost

◼   ► what I want like the the the continuum

◼   ► onyx and the classic Plus Gotham Edition

◼   ► like they're almost what I want but they

◼   ► only have skinny tires and because

◼   ► you know they're made for commuters and

◼   ► stuff so that so yeah that's I'm

◼   ► probably not gonna do that but I don't

◼   ► know anyway so this could be the one

◼   ► with us forever but we are in a huge

◼   ► hurry because we don't have any time to

◼   ► really talk about all these Apple rumors

◼   ► cuz I'm sure no one's heard enough about

◼   ► the MA there's that too we should we

◼   ► should also mention there's one of the

◼   ► link in the show notes with regard to

◼   ► bikes huffy apparently is being eaten by

◼   ► Walmart do you want to explain this John

◼   ► this is actually tangential to the

◼   ► larger Walmart it's a lot of stories

◼   ► about what is ruined by companies

◼   ► involved them pivoting to sell to super

◼   ► stores because that's where all the

◼   ► money is and then having to make

◼   ► crappier and crappier things and getting

◼   ► squeezed by the super stores that demand

◼   ► that you take smaller and smaller profit

◼   ► margins and that's this huffy store is

◼   ► actually something different it's for

◼   ► huffy got into deal with Walmart and

◼   ► didn't realize how many bikes they'd

◼   ► actually sell through Walmart and they

◼   ► couldn't actually manufacture them so

◼   ► they they let their competitors

◼   ► manufacture them and sell them don't

◼   ► make the money from them anyway Walmart

◼   ► is bad and we all feel bad but this is

◼   ► another bit of feedback from Ryan Ricard

◼   ► you said that uh Schwinn and Mongoose

◼   ► both pivoted to be bargain-basement crap

◼   ► for Walmart and Target you know a lot of

◼   ► these companies the name remains kind of

◼   ► like atari or commodore like the

◼   ► Mongoose name remains but it shares

◼   ► nothing with the brand of my youth you

◼   ► know everything about it

◼   ► the way the bikes are designed what

◼   ► they're made of what where they're

◼   ► assembled what their target market is

◼   ► everything is just you know so yeah

◼   ► that's a shame and you can kind of tell

◼   ► why he's looking at him but yeah super

◼   ► stores yeah and yet another thing super

◼   ► stores have tried to ruin bicycles I'm

◼   ► sorry John this is what it is John would

◼   ► you like to say face on your Christmas

◼   ► story line that you tried to quote ATP

◼   ► references uh do me the favor of looking

◼   ► at it's from IMDB and I always like

◼   ► here's what it whenever I look up movie

◼   ► quotes a lot because I want to get them

◼   ► right it's important for me to get them

◼   ► right and to revalidate the correct

◼   ► memory because very often I have a lot

◼   ► of movie quotes in my head and they

◼   ► mutate over time as you repeat them they

◼   ► change a little bit and so like 15 years

◼   ► and according something you're like

◼   ► super duper sure it's one way

◼   ► cuz you've said it a thousand times

◼   ► right but it's changed like through a

◼   ► game of telephone only it's been inside

◼   ► your head the whole time right and so

◼   ► it's changed inside your head anyway I

◼   ► always want to look them up but they

◼   ► don't trust in the internet texts of

◼   ► someone like oh here's this famous quote

◼   ► from this movie because text is not the

◼   ► movie you know the map is not the

◼   ► territory I need to see the video I need

◼   ► to see the clip from the movie and

◼   ► obviously that can be doctored too and I

◼   ► weep for our children who will be able

◼   ► to trust video even less than we do due

◼   ► to the easy ability to synthesize video

◼   ► sorry kids anyway that's progress for

◼   ► you but according to IMDB they up ramble

◼   ► aside the line I was trying to quote

◼   ► last time from Christmas story is the

◼   ► greatest Christmas gift I have ever

◼   ► received or ever would receive I think I

◼   ► missed the Hat greatest Christmas gift I

◼   ► had ever received or would ever receive

◼   ► anyway there it is dears with me but I

◼   ► do care awesome that's I should be the

◼   ► title of my biography no nobody cares

◼   ► but me but I do care

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◼   ► good news is not a lot happened this

◼   ► week no things have happened

◼   ► my friends things have happened so let

◼   ► me do my best job as chief summarizer in

◼   ► chief and kind of do a 50,000 foot

◼   ► summary and then we'll dig him to the

◼   ► details which inevitably means you too

◼   ► will interrupt me and I'm about since

◼   ► three and I will never get to complete

◼   ► my summary but there was a home pod

◼   ► firmware that was posted to the place

◼   ► one would expect home pod firmware to be

◼   ► do you guys say firmware firmwares I

◼   ► would say firmware is the plural you

◼   ► would say firmware is like like

◼   ► software's well that's why I would say

◼   ► growing up but for a fleeting moment

◼   ► there I just thought yeah this should it

◼   ► be firmwares no it shouldn't be Wayne

◼   ► isn't isn't where's how you should have

◼   ► your supposed to pronounce W a are easy

◼   ► oh yes that is true yeah yeah did you

◼   ► ever say it that way in your head

◼   ► growing because I always said Juarez and

◼   ► Mexico no I definitely said where's in

◼   ► my head oh my dad where's to this I was

◼   ► gonna say you should cut this but no

◼   ► this is worth it now alright so anyway

◼   ► so where wherever you would expect the

◼   ► home pod firmware singular yet plural to

◼   ► be is where they found somebody had

◼   ► stumbled across

◼   ► upon firmware download and so a couple

◼   ► of people seem to grab a grab onto that

◼   ► well many people but particularly a

◼   ► couple of people seem to grab on this

◼   ► and start digging it apart a friend of

◼   ► the show can you concentrate we're

◼   ► professionals that's seven second ago

◼   ► joke kiba all right let's bring it back

◼   ► together kids bring it back together so

◼   ► two people really dug into this in

◼   ► particular and the two people were Steve

◼   ► John Smith who is a dear friend of the

◼   ► show and gear may Rambo who also did a

◼   ► lot of digging on this and so they found

◼   ► a lot of interesting stuff and the

◼   ► highlights were an image that is for an

◼   ► iPhone that is codenamed D 22 that looks

◼   ► like the image that we've seen off and

◼   ► on of this supposed I phone pro where it

◼   ► seems to be an edge to edge screen

◼   ► there's like a little notch at the top

◼   ► which presumably holds the speaker in

◼   ► the FaceTime camera there was some

◼   ► information about how apparently there

◼   ► will be front-facing IR camera that

◼   ► presumably looks to be for face

◼   ► detection and a bunch of other stuff too

◼   ► but that's kind of the quick quick quick

◼   ► summary so how would we like to dig into

◼   ► this I'll tell you one way we did not

◼   ► want to dig into this is by spring bug

◼   ► spray on our legs earlier so I could

◼   ► we'd whack all the tick infested grass

◼   ► out in front of the house and then

◼   ► coming inside doing a podcast with you

◼   ► fine gentleman putting my hands on my

◼   ► legs and then member my eyes oh that's

◼   ► not wise do you need a moment to collect

◼   ► yourself it's slowly going away I think

◼   ► I might be okay or you might go blind

◼   ► soon next time just accept the bug bites

◼   ► well there's ticks out there oh I'm

◼   ► gonna try not to touch my feet I'm like

◼   ► I was just put it on my legs that way I

◼   ► won't be a problem for the rest of the

◼   ► night like it is when you put it like on

◼   ► your whole body because it's like all

◼   ► you really need for ticks is to put on

◼   ► here on your feet and legs and I found

◼   ► one tick on me I'm Laurie island just a

◼   ► couple days ago and it was not on my

◼   ► legs

◼   ► yikes all right

◼   ► I don't want to hear the rest of that

◼   ► story yeah this sounds super ominous it

◼   ► had not bitten me yet it was still

◼   ► crawling trying to find a place to bite

◼   ► that's good I removed it was prejudice

◼   ► all right so what do we think if d-22 so

◼   ► I think well here's a couple thing so

◼   ► this I don't know if you want to go into

◼   ► the leaking things I guess we're going

◼   ► to that at the end but the information

◼   ► revealed once you leak the home

◼   ► platformer people thinking okay so what

◼   ► who cares they leak the home plot of fur

◼   ► where what the home pods not out yet we

◼   ► already know what it is it's a speaker

◼   ► tourney thing why why would we get any

◼   ► information from that and it's because

◼   ► it runs iOS and iOS has a bunch of crap

◼   ► in it and normally that crap is removed

◼   ► from bills that they release to the

◼   ► public even in the betas they remove all

◼   ► the stuff that they don't want you to

◼   ► see what might they not want you to see

◼   ► icons frameworks you know the names of

◼   ► symbols programmer e-type stuff and the

◼   ► people who pulled down this home plot

◼   ► firmware you know extract that stuff

◼   ► they look at all the frameworks and look

◼   ► at the names of the frameworks and the

◼   ► names of the functions and the symbols

◼   ► that are in them they look at all of the

◼   ► resources for different kinds of icons

◼   ► and graphics and and stuff like that it

◼   ► appears and dialog boxes and in the UI

◼   ► and you can learn a tremendous amount

◼   ► without even executing any of this code

◼   ► just because it happens to be iOS and

◼   ► this bill doesn't help that stuff

◼   ► excluded from it so we learned learned

◼   ► quote-unquote a lot of interesting

◼   ► things just by looking at the framework

◼   ► commands and the symbols and this is the

◼   ► whole frameworks having to do and you

◼   ► know classes and methods having to do

◼   ► with things about face recognition and

◼   ► recognizing different kinds of faces and

◼   ► why would that be in there well we are

◼   ► have the rumors are better recognized in

◼   ► your face you put two together and you

◼   ► say that's probably what that is down to

◼   ► the point where you're looking at like

◼   ► attributes and classes that say like in

◼   ► said and border-radius and stuff that's

◼   ► sort of confirming the idea that the

◼   ► entire edge to edge screen will be

◼   ► addressable with sort of curves around

◼   ► the edges you know and classes that

◼   ► might indicate how they might handle the

◼   ► home button at the bottom of the screen

◼   ► and displaying things there and stuff

◼   ► like that so it's it's kind of tea leaf

◼   ► reading in that we don't have any actual

◼   ► leaked hardware for the phone or

◼   ► anything like that where we just have is

◼   ► a bunch of symbols it functions but if

◼   ► you're a program

◼   ► and you're familiar with uikit and the

◼   ► rest of iOS and just programming in

◼   ► general you can kind of piece together a

◼   ► surprisingly detailed picture of how

◼   ► this new phone might work based on the

◼   ► iOS that was released as part of the

◼   ► home pod you know home pods OS release

◼   ► and so it's kind of a weird kind of a

◼   ► weird leak but it just goes to show that

◼   ► like anything on the internet you don't

◼   ► like it security through obscurity is no

◼   ► security at all it never has been but in

◼   ► the age of the internet even even less

◼   ► so but I was I was fascinated to see the

◼   ► slow leak of people pulling out all the

◼   ► different details of the OS to the point

◼   ► where there was really good blog post by

◼   ► Allen pike where he put so it puts it

◼   ► all together and says based on

◼   ► everything that we've seen here's one

◼   ► way that I think the theoretical phone

◼   ► might work from a software perspective

◼   ► so we've got Hardware rumors and then

◼   ► we've got a link of the home pod thing

◼   ► and then we from that synthesize this

◼   ► entire complete picture of one way that

◼   ► the the OS might work now

◼   ► it could be entirely wrong it could be

◼   ► you know something different than this

◼   ► but I was pretty impressed by this to

◼   ► say you know just the normal parts leak

◼   ► that you get plus a bunch of class dumps

◼   ► and icon files and now we have like a

◼   ► complete iPhone Pro possible scenario

◼   ► supported by all the available leaked

◼   ► evidence though I think it actually is

◼   ► pretty cool if they don't do this I hope

◼   ► they do something just as cool because I

◼   ► read this thing I'm like that a makes

◼   ► sense B fits with everything that we've

◼   ► been leaked and C is pretty neat yeah I

◼   ► completely agree yeah I mean like this

◼   ► it does like I I'm not a fan of the idea

◼   ► of this weird cutout into the screen

◼   ► with the cameras and everything like I

◼   ► don't I don't like that it seems like a

◼   ► weird hack but if they're going to do it

◼   ► this looks like a really cool way to do

◼   ► it like with the the whole idea of

◼   ► having a split status bar such that

◼   ► basically you it's almost as if the

◼   ► screens not cut out it's almost like if

◼   ► applications don't really have access to

◼   ► that area or if you only get it in

◼   ► things like over scroll areas

◼   ► navigation bars and stuff like that then

◼   ► it's still weird but it's a clever it's

◼   ► a clever hack it's a good question about

◼   ► things like where the clock goes and

◼   ► what about a stuff that won't fit in the

◼   ► cutouts like there's a lot in the status

◼   ► bar these days things like not having as

◼   ► much on Android though well that's true

◼   ► yeah I was just about to say the same

◼   ► thing oh my goodness looking at my

◼   ► co-workers Android phone Android phones

◼   ► that have just a mountain of icons up

◼   ► there a new Android phone that I just

◼   ► saw like at fresh out of the box no

◼   ► weird stuff on the Samsung Android phone

◼   ► 100 icons in the status bar I may be

◼   ► overestimating but only slightly it's so

◼   ► true it's like a ticker-tape of icons

◼   ► and I think it's I think it's bad it's

◼   ► like a Mac user you've ever seen in your

◼   ► officers 100 icons of the menu bar Casey

◼   ► oh no I have fewer than most thank you

◼   ► very much you just start heating on the

◼   ► ISTEP menus that I have up there but no

◼   ► I like the the fact if you have to

◼   ► install bartender which I'm sure is a

◼   ► very great app if you have to install

◼   ► bartender you have bigger problems my

◼   ► friend then then just moving some of

◼   ► them out of your menu bar like you

◼   ► should just get them out into Oh God I'd

◼   ► hate apps that for some any bar icon of

◼   ► Trajan Hana's oh so actually I've

◼   ► derailed myself looking at the topless

◼   ► notes I mean look looking at the symbols

◼   ► and everything and having face

◼   ► recognition symbols like that is not a

◼   ► big a slam-dunk as people think if we

◼   ► didn't already have the face recognition

◼   ► rumor there's all sorts of weird symbols

◼   ► on there and maybe wouldn't ship maybe

◼   ► it's not ready like we didn't see we

◼   ► didn't see the internal builds of iOS 10

◼   ► for all we know these symbols could have

◼   ► been in there in iOS 10 they just didn't

◼   ► make the cut you know or something like

◼   ► that or whatever right but we have all

◼   ► those other rumors about being face

◼   ► recognition so this you know but it all

◼   ► adds up right the other part of this

◼   ► though is all the rumors about that a

◼   ► little unibrow thing a little notch to

◼   ► the cut I mean we talked we saw a little

◼   ► notch thing I think we talked about it

◼   ► when we're talking about touch ID being

◼   ► on the back and how they're gonna do a

◼   ► screen thing edge to edge and what they

◼   ► can and can embed in the screen and

◼   ► apparently they can embed like the

◼   ► cameras and if there's gonna be an IR

◼   ► sensor and the speaker and blah blah so

◼   ► this is not CH I think one of you may be

◼   ► Marco thought it was the not just

◼   ► doesn't seem like an apple thing to do

◼   ► way back when when we talked about it

◼   ► you know it's not elegant like you just

◼   ► said before like the notch seems weird

◼   ► doesn't it like it wouldn't it be great

◼   ► if the whole thing was

◼   ► it would be oh but we can't quite pull

◼   ► it off so what can we do well we'll do

◼   ► the best we can and leave this little

◼   ► notch right and that's always been the

◼   ► question though Apple wouldn't do it

◼   ► unless they could do the whole screen

◼   ► they're not gonna do a little notch

◼   ► thing kind of like people saying apples

◼   ► not going to put a camera that causes a

◼   ► bulge but they totally did because it's

◼   ► more worth it to have a really good

◼   ► camera than to make the back of a smooth

◼   ► so camera bulge here to stay and so in

◼   ► the home pod firmware at leak there is

◼   ► an icon for d-22 that is just it's not a

◼   ► picture of the new iPhone it is it's an

◼   ► icon like a little vector drawing or

◼   ► whatever other thing but it has to look

◼   ► like carnac that's let you know by

◼   ► looking at this little icon this is the

◼   ► phone we're talking about so if just

◼   ► basically like a rounded rectangle I

◼   ► imagine for the seven and seven plus

◼   ► sizes right but this one has the notch

◼   ► in it and it's the only thing in it it

◼   ► is a rounded rectangle and the only

◼   ► distinguishing characteristic Oh than

◼   ► the width and height and the border

◼   ► radius is the knotch

◼   ► and so this is a pretty hard

◼   ► confirmation of that notch because

◼   ► they're not waffling about whether it's

◼   ► give me a notch at this point there's no

◼   ► this this icon is in there and it

◼   ► doesn't seem like they would have this

◼   ► thing and the codename d-22 is right on

◼   ► what you expect it to be so this thing's

◼   ► gonna have a notch and that's weird

◼   ► and that's it's like the camera bump but

◼   ► even worse it's not as bad as touch ID

◼   ► on the back but it is a weird thing to

◼   ► do and so you know Apple rumors are that

◼   ► this this all screen OLED phone has been

◼   ► in the works for a long time and not

◼   ► them say it's behind schedule but I bet

◼   ► Apple would have loved to ship it last

◼   ► year but they couldn't it wasn't ready

◼   ► it now it's ready they're going with the

◼   ► notch so for me from this leak the most

◼   ► important thing about it is notches it

◼   ► go get ready get ready for not you're

◼   ► ready to love the notch get ready to

◼   ► deal with the notch get ready to fix

◼   ► your application that gets screwed up

◼   ► when the notches they're also on a press

◼   ► conversation about hey they change the

◼   ► dots to be bars you think they did that

◼   ► to get make room for the notch I think

◼   ► and it was like wow maybe but we didn't

◼   ► know if this is gonna be a notch well

◼   ► it's gonna be a notch so no more dots

◼   ► back to bars makes perfect sense I think

◼   ► what I like about this leak though is

◼   ► that it gives us enough to be really

◼   ► interested in this but there's still so

◼   ► much that we don't know that we're only

◼   ► going to know once we see the software

◼   ► running on this phone but we're probably

◼   ► we're almost certainly not going to see

◼   ► before the event so like even though

◼   ► like leading up to this we we had the

◼   ► idea of a lot of the major themes of

◼   ► this device leading up you know for

◼   ► almost the last year in all the rumors

◼   ► and everything but we didn't know many

◼   ► specifics and most of the most of the

◼   ► things we that we'd see like leaked or

◼   ► rumored or talked about here and there

◼   ► would be very vague and very unsure of

◼   ► themselves and oftentimes conflicting

◼   ► and so now even though this is now like

◼   ► pretty strong evidence of it being a

◼   ► certain way and so some of that surprise

◼   ► is now kind of spoiled what we have now

◼   ► learned you know and again it's not like

◼   ► knowledge it's not it isn't the fact it

◼   ► isn't a guarantee it's just very strong

◼   ► evidence in a certain direction

◼   ► but what this you know nearly confirms

◼   ► is not something that we is was totally

◼   ► unknown to us like there were rumors of

◼   ► all these things there were rumors of

◼   ► the notch there rumors of the face

◼   ► detection type stuff and depth cameras

◼   ► and everything like all that stuff what

◼   ► was rumored for months and that and that

◼   ► was already becoming the dominant

◼   ► narrative of the rumors that was

◼   ► becoming like where most of them were

◼   ► were kind of coalescing and gathering so

◼   ► it didn't actually spoil much surprise

◼   ► it just kind of like says all right this

◼   ► group of the rumors which was already

◼   ► the predominant ones this is probably on

◼   ► the right path but there's still so many

◼   ► questions that it's still very

◼   ► interesting to us and most of those

◼   ► questions are not going to be answered

◼   ► until the event they added some

◼   ► information to like again with the

◼   ► symbol dumps stuff that we wouldn't have

◼   ► known normally until the keynote because

◼   ► is software based right so there's a

◼   ► bunch of symbols having to do with

◼   ► apparently the camera detecting what it

◼   ► is you're taking a picture up you're

◼   ► taking a picture of person is it a plant

◼   ► it is a son is it a sunset is it you

◼   ► know whatever it might be

◼   ► most modern regular cameras have

◼   ► something oh I can tell it's portrait

◼   ► versus landscape as I do simple face

◼   ► detection but this was way more detail

◼   ► my friend a link to put all things but

◼   ► it was like figuring out in a fairly

◼   ► detailed manner what it is you're

◼   ► looking at and what we'll do with that

◼   ► information besides putting the word hot

◼   ► dog or not hot dog on the screen like

◼   ► presumably you can adjust the camera

◼   ► based on what it's looking at I get that

◼   ► good

◼   ► it could metadata tag them or something

◼   ► I mean who knows but like those symbols

◼   ► are in there for you know and there's

◼   ► all sorts of other stuff about face

◼   ► detection or we assume that face

◼   ► detection where is that the face is half

◼   ► covered the face is smiling or frowning

◼   ► or like all tons of symbols that only

◼   ► make sense if if this phone with these

◼   ► set of sensors on it can figure out way

◼   ► more about what it's looking at whether

◼   ► it's looking at it to take a picture or

◼   ► looking at it to unlock your phone or

◼   ► whatever all these symbols indicate that

◼   ► there surely features somewhere in iOS

◼   ► 11 running on this phone that are based

◼   ► on the camera having a much richer

◼   ► awareness of what's going on around it

◼   ► also including like presence detection

◼   ► are you in front of the phone or

◼   ► whatever so that I think added

◼   ► information none of that stuff had been

◼   ► rumored like wow you know we the rumors

◼   ► that oh it's gonna have camera and a

◼   ► notch and an IR sensor and face

◼   ► detection unlocking that's all the stuff

◼   ► that would leak but but the key note

◼   ► would be like oh and also now that we

◼   ► have all those sensors you know we can

◼   ► do we can know when you take a picture

◼   ► of a dog and tag it with dog and make

◼   ► this the smart search easier when you

◼   ► search for dog even if you took a

◼   ► picture of the tip of the dog's tail we

◼   ► you know we figured that out and like I

◼   ► don't like features like that are things

◼   ► normally we don't get to see until the

◼   ► day up so I think this is one of the

◼   ► biggest software leaks that has ever

◼   ► happened to Apple because I think it

◼   ► reveals potentially so much about stuff

◼   ► that they're gonna demo that they just

◼   ► assumed no one would know about because

◼   ► in general the software doesn't leak

◼   ► this I mean this is this is legal stuff

◼   ► this is a pretty big leak in terms of

◼   ► just oops

◼   ► like we didn't mean to put this build

◼   ► there by the way people wondering why

◼   ► why is this build accessible at all home

◼   ► pods have been testing on Apple

◼   ► employees and other people who were in

◼   ► the know have been testing home pods for

◼   ► a long time and they have a feed for

◼   ► software updates but that is a fee that

◼   ► is not accessible to the general public

◼   ► is only accessible to Apple employees

◼   ► right someone made a mistake and took

◼   ► the firmware that's supposed to go in

◼   ► that feed it's only accessible to Apple

◼   ► employees and put it on the public

◼   ► facing one and that is a pretty big

◼   ► mistake like it's kind of like taking

◼   ► you know I don't know like iOS 11 before

◼   ► any of the betas came out and putting it

◼   ► on a publicly accessible URL on the

◼   ► Internet and again it's security through

◼   ► obscurity it's like what

◼   ► you put something on a URL it's

◼   ► accessible Internet as long as no one

◼   ► knows the URL it's like people are

◼   ► randomly typing in URLs to guess where

◼   ► your thing might be that's exactly what

◼   ► they're doing and that you are always

◼   ► guessable because you just replace the

◼   ► word TV with the word audio in an

◼   ► existing URL for the TV OS updates and

◼   ► guess what you got this and somebody had

◼   ► a really bad day at Apple and I feel bad

◼   ► because you know it's you're human you

◼   ► make mistakes it just goes to show all

◼   ► the security and all these billions of

◼   ► dollars they spend you know it's not I

◼   ► don't think there's some malicious just

◼   ► someone someone made a mistake we don't

◼   ► like a snake sometimes you leave a phone

◼   ► in a bar sometimes sometimes you upload

◼   ► the the unredacted version of the new

◼   ► iOS that includes all the secret symbols

◼   ► for your new super secret phone onto a

◼   ► public URL and so I feel I feel kind of

◼   ► bad but I'm also kind of excited about

◼   ► exactly how much we were able to mine

◼   ► out of this and like Margot said and

◼   ► still and still we're not sure still we

◼   ► have to wait for the keynote to see

◼   ► which things are which it's a it's a

◼   ► little bit of spoiling Christmas morning

◼   ► to know how you know because I can

◼   ► extrapolate so many things that could

◼   ► possibly be there and the keynote will

◼   ► just be a narrowing but still pretty

◼   ► exciting do you um I don't have the link

◼   ► handy but there maybe it was now ins I

◼   ► don't think it was though but anyways

◼   ► there was someone who was critiquing no

◼   ► was a different UI designer critiquing

◼   ► what do you do with the knotch and

◼   ► there's like one of the approaches he

◼   ► approaches is you pretend the notch

◼   ► isn't really there and one of the

◼   ► approaches is you embrace the knotch and

◼   ► I think it was Steve trout and Smith

◼   ► that was saying oh I say embrace the

◼   ► notch you know make it visible make it

◼   ► plain but from what I see on like for

◼   ► example Alan's post where it's just a

◼   ► big black bar and presumably this is

◼   ► OLED so it would just kind of all blend

◼   ► in and there would just be this big gap

◼   ► in the center of the black bar but you

◼   ► wouldn't necessarily be able to tell

◼   ► very well what was there I think I like

◼   ► that at a glance more than this like

◼   ► embrace the notch make it white to the

◼   ► left and the right of the knotch what do

◼   ► you guys think about that let's start

◼   ► with Marco totally with you

◼   ► I think the design that makes the parts

◼   ► left and right of the not just black it

◼   ► makes it look like a big status bar that

◼   ► and to me is by far the best-looking

◼   ► option here

◼   ► and that is the one matter I think they

◼   ► should and hopefully will do but there

◼   ► is there is a risk I don't know if it's

◼   ► a big risk there's a risk that the

◼   ► desire to have these like over these

◼   ► like overflow areas these over scroll

◼   ► areas in the UI some wonder how like you

◼   ► know when I was seven ever since I was

◼   ► seven you've had like if you have like a

◼   ► navigation bar or a tool bar in an

◼   ► interface you could you have like the

◼   ► blurred version of the scroll view in

◼   ► the middle kind of under hanging though

◼   ► like the top and bottom like it kind of

◼   ► overflowed in those areas as you scroll

◼   ► I can see maybe the Apple UI designers

◼   ► wanting to do more of that with this

◼   ► newfound screen real estate and to have

◼   ► the to have these new areas both the

◼   ► little tabs next to the status bar and

◼   ► also the new like presumed home button

◼   ► area at the bottom I could see those

◼   ► becoming just over scroll areas but I

◼   ► hope they don't do that I hope if

◼   ► anything if they want to do that just

◼   ► make at the bottom one and not little

◼   ► tabs on top because having this big like

◼   ► you know file card shaped UI I think

◼   ► looks weird I don't like having those

◼   ► two tabs at the top be visibly like

◼   ► light-colored UI I think it should just

◼   ► look like a big status bar and you

◼   ► shouldn't even really really really

◼   ► think about the notch most of the time I

◼   ► agree so as I think it was Steve drought

◼   ► and Smith pointed this out but I think

◼   ► as well the thing that we extracted we

◼   ► the thing that has been extracted by an

◼   ► industrious hackers from the firmware is

◼   ► an icon of the phone and it's supposed

◼   ► to be identifiable so you look at that

◼   ► you know oh they're talking about

◼   ► whatever the iPhone Pro or the iPhone 8

◼   ► or wherever this thing's gonna be called

◼   ► so it needs to be a recognizable symbol

◼   ► at small sizes and the only

◼   ► distinguishing feature of that icon is

◼   ► the knotch

◼   ► so for in order to be able to look at

◼   ► that and say oh that means my phone

◼   ► which is the purpose of the icon that

◼   ► knotch has to be a distinguishing

◼   ► visible cat or visual characteristics of

◼   ► the phone as far as the users are

◼   ► concerned otherwise that icon is not

◼   ► useful for identifying it so that could

◼   ► be as simple as okay well it works

◼   ► exactly like you guys were just

◼   ► describing when you use it like it we

◼   ► pretend it's not there and just like the

◼   ► status bar but the lockscreen

◼   ► for example when we show your big

◼   ► lockscreen picture that shows with the

◼   ► notch all the time because that would

◼   ► make you know that's your first

◼   ► experience of turning on the phone you

◼   ► know we're seeing the lock screen or

◼   ► whatever that oh it's got a notch right

◼   ► if the knotch goes away when you launch

◼   ► apps you still recognize it as the phone

◼   ► with the notch because that's what you

◼   ► see when you first turn it on but I

◼   ► think at the very least Apple is

◼   ► embracing the notch to the degree to the

◼   ► degree that this icon is representative

◼   ► it doesn't mean you're gonna see it the

◼   ► whole time you're using it inside

◼   ► applications but it does mean that

◼   ► they're embracing it somewhere probably

◼   ► in the lock screen maybe also in

◼   ► springboard maybe also I mean I'm trying

◼   ► to think of you know if developers

◼   ► wanted to could they addressed it in

◼   ► show video and the knotch

◼   ► like overflow video bleeped like who

◼   ► knows how far it availables would be

◼   ► able to go but it seems clear to me that

◼   ► Apple in the same way they essentially

◼   ► embrace the camera by saying we're not

◼   ► hiding it it's there it's a camera bump

◼   ► look at it there's gonna be a notch and

◼   ► I think there has to be at least some

◼   ► context where the notch is absolutely

◼   ► visible and distinguished and a

◼   ► distinguishing characteristic to people

◼   ► I also would prefer like both of you

◼   ► alright fine I see the notch I get your

◼   ► branding I can identify my phone but

◼   ► once I'm using the application don't you

◼   ► know I know I don't need it doesn't need

◼   ► to be emphasized you can make it

◼   ► disappear with a nice status bar

◼   ► hopefully that's up to developers if

◼   ► developers want to do something fancy

◼   ► with the notch maybe they can and the

◼   ► same way you can mess with the status

◼   ► bar in weird ways to varying degrees and

◼   ► although I couldn't change the color of

◼   ► the status bar to anything you wanted

◼   ► back in the old days and they kind of

◼   ► clamped down on that no you could never

◼   ► you could have it be like white or black

◼   ► but you could never have it be arbitrary

◼   ► colors you could have a translucent one

◼   ► and kind of put like a window behind it

◼   ► you know to make it kind of fake to kind

◼   ► of fake it but I don't know of any apps

◼   ► that really ever did that with any

◼   ► success yeah and I actually you know

◼   ► either way they go with this I think the

◼   ► bottom part of the screen is actually

◼   ► more interesting that gets into what

◼   ► Allen Pike was talking about so the top

◼   ► line we assume it's a status bar and

◼   ► there's some interesting things you can

◼   ► do by you know getting you know going

◼   ► bleeding the pixels up higher on the

◼   ► screen because this it's almost edge to

◼   ► edge especially if you incorporate

◼   ► dodging to the status bar but the action

◼   ► happens down at the bottom where all of

◼   ► a sudden you've got all the screen

◼   ► where there used to be a hardware home

◼   ► button and of course you can draw a

◼   ► software home button there but you've

◼   ► got all this other space where you can

◼   ► draw things to what might you use that

◼   ► for and one of Allen Pike suggestions

◼   ► take your UI navbar wherever that class

◼   ► is called

◼   ► and take the current awkward arrangement

◼   ► with lots of white space and take those

◼   ► navigation controls like done or edit or

◼   ► whatever those little words that are up

◼   ► in the corner that are hard to reach in

◼   ► your big phone and shove them down next

◼   ► to the home button because now that's

◼   ► all a screen and it's actually easier to

◼   ► reach there's been a lot of articles

◼   ► recently about how it's easier to reach

◼   ► the bottom of your really big phone with

◼   ► your thumb the top of the really big

◼   ► phone so bottom navigation becomes more

◼   ► preferable than it was back in the days

◼   ► of the original iPhone size or even the

◼   ► 5 size and it makes a lot of sense like

◼   ► whether they do that or not you look up

◼   ► and you go oh ok well that would work

◼   ► and it would make sense based on the

◼   ► design we currently see in iOS 11 betas

◼   ► but maybe they won't do that maybe what

◼   ► can you do with the bottom you've got a

◼   ► lot of pixels down there apples is

◼   ► surely gonna reserve some of them for OS

◼   ► related functions in in the sort of the

◼   ► default case where you don't want to go

◼   ► you know a full bleed video or whatever

◼   ► you could do interesting stuff down

◼   ► there instead of just showing a circle

◼   ► where you put your thumb presumably to

◼   ► use touch ID sensor that's

◼   ► may or may not be buried under the

◼   ► screen yeah it's funny because I feel

◼   ► like we have learned a lot in this leak

◼   ► but I think you guys are right that I

◼   ► don't know that we've learned all that

◼   ► much but we've more gotten some soft

◼   ► confirmation of a lot of the things that

◼   ► were already suspected and though I

◼   ► still think this is the second biggest

◼   ► leak that I've ever witnessed as

◼   ► compared to the what was at the iPhone 4

◼   ► that was found in the bar yep so I think

◼   ► that still takes the cake for the

◼   ► biggest leak but man this is a close

◼   ► second and and it's fascinating like I

◼   ► feel kind of bad for the Apple

◼   ► developers like the developers within

◼   ► Apple that have been working on this

◼   ► stuff and have been really sweating this

◼   ► and and we're hoping for the big splash

◼   ► surprise like that article was I think

◼   ► was that article that float floated

◼   ► around a like a month ago that talked

◼   ► about this but any or but or maybe was

◼   ► on the talk show live

◼   ► what was it doesn't matter somewhere

◼   ► they were saying you know really it's

◼   ► it's a bummer for the employees when

◼   ► something leaks the other employees and

◼   ► that kind of stinks but I do think it is

◼   ► fascinating and super cool how you know

◼   ► a couple of

◼   ► a couple of

◼   ► developers in particular have been able

◼   ► to kind of figure out all of this stuff

◼   ► just by going spelunking into the

◼   ► firmware and I should have expected

◼   ► something like this from a man with the

◼   ► surname of Rambo I mean this is how it

◼   ► this is how the Rambo's work right

◼   ► that's what we learned from the movies

◼   ► before and I just got from the firmware

◼   ► but like it's interesting to me that

◼   ► with home pod we reverted to the old

◼   ► nomenclature is back on the original

◼   ► iPhone the iPhone came with firmware

◼   ► because the phone phones don't run OS is

◼   ► silly its firmware right I'm obviously

◼   ► that's before you know it was called

◼   ► iPhone OS after that I believe and then

◼   ► it switched to iOS right but now on the

◼   ► home pod because it's so we'll see and

◼   ► doesn't have a screen even though

◼   ► they've extracted a screen resolution as

◼   ► far as iOS is concerned a very small

◼   ► screen resolution and potentially an

◼   ► humble number of addressable LEDs blah

◼   ► blah blah anyway now it's back to

◼   ► firmware it's like it's called you know

◼   ► the reason I got this in the URLs they

◼   ► change TV OS to audio uh so if you want

◼   ► to give it a name TV OS runs on Apple TV

◼   ► I owe s runs on you know iPhones and

◼   ► iPods and iPads and audio us runs on the

◼   ► home pod but we don't call it audio as

◼   ► it's still it's stuck in from I guess

◼   ► you got a starting firmware and work

◼   ► your way up do we start referring you to

◼   ► your actual OS update yeah that's a

◼   ► little bit weird I guess I want to make

◼   ► it seem like an embedded things also in

◼   ► case you were wondering about the Amazon

◼   ► echo show and the potential we discussed

◼   ► many times of Apple's home thing that

◼   ► sits in your home having a screen on it

◼   ► naming the thing audio s obviously

◼   ► doesn't nothing because you can rename

◼   ► or whatever you want they renamed their

◼   ► rests all the time but it's a pretty

◼   ► strong stake in the ground of this

◼   ► product or this product we already know

◼   ► but like in case you're wondering do

◼   ► they expect the operating system to do a

◼   ► lot of displaying of pictures no it's

◼   ► called audio OS like whether or not it

◼   ► has a screen that can show weird symbols

◼   ► or an addressable grid of LEDs under a

◼   ► diffuser or whatever the OS is all about

◼   ► audio any other thoughts about all this

◼   ► not really sure there's stuff that I

◼   ► forgot to put in the notes but there was

◼   ► there was so much so much stuff that was

◼   ► leaked and so many people digging and

◼   ► this that I couldn't even keep up with

◼   ► it yeah I feel like this should be like

◼   ► a four hour conversation for us but I

◼   ► really feel like we've we've kind of

◼   ► touched on all of it so well and also

◼   ► like I mean as Parker said before

◼   ► everything that's in this leak have been

◼   ► discussed before with the exception of a

◼   ► few additional symbols that lean towards

◼   ► features that hadn't been you know that

◼   ► could have been imagined but that hadn't

◼   ► been thought about you know like the

◼   ► camera understanding was taking a

◼   ► picture of and adjusting things but you

◼   ► can extrapolate that from the sensors

◼   ► and it shows how imagination plus the

◼   ► usual hardware supply chain leaks can

◼   ► get us most of the way there anyway

◼   ► OLED we've known forever screen

◼   ► edge-to-edge we've also known forever

◼   ► face detection was a big leak and then

◼   ► IR a sensor isn't like that how to

◼   ► support it touch a D in the screen

◼   ► versus the back is still up in the air

◼   ► nothing in this it goes one way or the

◼   ► other I think and then the home pod leak

◼   ► would just nail all that dying for us

◼   ► but we were already talking about all

◼   ► those things like I feel bad for the

◼   ► employees blah blah blah well if this

◼   ► leak could not happen

◼   ► we'd all be watching that keynote saying

◼   ► I can't wait to see the OLED phone that

◼   ► does face recognition with the next ice

◼   ► cream potentially with a notch in it

◼   ► like we were already there it's just you

◼   ► know it's just confirming stuff we're

◼   ► you know so you know it's it continues

◼   ► to be hard for Apple to be secretive

◼   ► about something that it's going to build

◼   ► literally millions of like months ahead

◼   ► of time like someone's gonna build them

◼   ► human beings are gonna build them and

◼   ► this information has value to many

◼   ► different parties the least of which is

◼   ► a bunch of Apple in there it's like as

◼   ► values like people who are designing

◼   ► cases or making clones or competitive

◼   ► they're like it's it's really it's

◼   ► really hard to keep this kind of secret

◼   ► and Apple continues to prove that but no

◼   ► matter how much money you have no matter

◼   ► how careful you are we're gonna find out

◼   ► about your phone Mac Pro is gonna be

◼   ► pretty secret though let me tell you

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◼   ► show what do you have John about this

◼   ► nickname that a grouper reported the

◼   ► Ferrari nickname yeah iPhone D 22s

◼   ► nickname may have been Ferrari oh yeah

◼   ► that make that makes perfect sense

◼   ► because we've all been talking about

◼   ► this phone in in that kind of way as

◼   ► they're gonna make phones like the 7 and

◼   ► the 7 plus and they're gonna be fine

◼   ► phones and those the normal ones but

◼   ► then there's the fancy one a fancy one

◼   ► is you know edge to edge screen and made

◼   ► of exact materials and gonna be more

◼   ► expensive and you know Ferrari it's the

◼   ► perfect name for it it's like it's not

◼   ► the phone that everybody's gonna have

◼   ► and a lot of the stories and a lot of

◼   ► Gruber's writing about has been about

◼   ► how hey this will be phone to be more

◼   ► expensive because though I make it the

◼   ► same price as the other ones it's called

◼   ► you know you're going to segment the

◼   ► market like good better best or whatever

◼   ► and be how they probably can't make as

◼   ► many of these like if this was the only

◼   ► iPhone that potentially they wouldn't be

◼   ► able to make as many of them because one

◼   ► or more parts in that are not being able

◼   ► to be manufactured in volume and the

◼   ► meta point about the Ferrari phone is

◼   ► like if Apple can only ever put

◼   ► technology in its phones that it can

◼   ► make 60 million of like for a launch day

◼   ► or whatever it's going to be a

◼   ► disadvantage against competitors that

◼   ► only have to make like

◼   ► million phones if you can make two

◼   ► million phones feel like I just need two

◼   ► million of this special awesome screen

◼   ► and apples like oh that screen is

◼   ► awesome we would love to put that screen

◼   ► that iPhone is sorry we can only make

◼   ► two million of those and they will

◼   ► apples like well we need 60 million well

◼   ► we can't make them any of that screen

◼   ► you can't put that screen your phone so

◼   ► this gives them an addition to

◼   ► segmenting the market like oh you want

◼   ► to pay even more for an iPhone Apple is

◼   ► happy to accommodate you yay what can we

◼   ► put in this phone that's worth the extra

◼   ► money

◼   ► what could make it look cooler we could

◼   ► have fancy features like the face

◼   ► detection and the edge to edge screen

◼   ► and we can put components in it that we

◼   ► can only make 12 million over 15 million

◼   ► of them said of 60 mm making these

◼   ► numbers up but like whatever like and

◼   ► the Ferrari name fits of debt Ferraris

◼   ► cars that cost more than other cars they

◼   ► make fewer of them and they're really

◼   ► fancy so and Eddy Cue is on the board of

◼   ► Ferrari so everything fits it all works

◼   ► yeah yeah all right so no more thoughts

◼   ► on this leak I feel bad for the

◼   ► responsible party though my goodness I

◼   ► can't tell if my water smells like DEET

◼   ► or if my hands smell you deep that are

◼   ► handling the waters stop stop eating bug

◼   ► spray Marco it's gonna affect the show

◼   ► eventually Marco's I can tell Marc was

◼   ► drinking and I can tell when he's eating

◼   ► bug spray he is high today hey there's

◼   ► no more iPods except the iPod Touch

◼   ► which could be only one

◼   ► yeah that's Highlander John hi Liam yeah

◼   ► went over my head at least don't worry

◼   ► I'm still okay I didn't get a reference

◼   ► Oh can't get there can be only one this

◼   ► is a new low folks one isn't the most

◼   ► well-known reference the market will not

◼   ► get Highlander is now there can be only

◼   ► one is now in the lead

◼   ► I mean if you're talking about like most

◼   ► popular things that I haven't seen you

◼   ► got to go probably Lord of the Rings or

◼   ► Harry Potter or maybe Star Trek but but

◼   ► you but you know but this is differently

◼   ► you don't expect you to have seen

◼   ► Highlander we're not crazy but you know

◼   ► that is that is a reference to

◼   ► Highlander like it's at a very popular

◼   ► engine I mean we use many many times you

◼   ► don't have to have ever seen the movie

◼   ► to know that that anyway but I think

◼   ► that's the top of the leaderboard now

◼   ► because I would say that is pretty well

◼   ► known

◼   ► anyway no more ipods sometimes I forget

◼   ► they still make them like I feel like

◼   ► that's the like the best time for Apple

◼   ► to discontinue a product quietly like

◼   ► this is when half people who hear the

◼   ► news say oh they still made those yeah

◼   ► like that's that probably is a good

◼   ► indicator that they that they killed in

◼   ► an appropriate time it was not too soon

◼   ► it might have been too late but it was

◼   ► not too soon and yeah I mean this is if

◼   ► anything I think this is I mean first of

◼   ► all yeah probably long overdue but

◼   ► second of all this might help usher in

◼   ► the post iTunes era because one of the

◼   ► biggest reasons that iTunes has to keep

◼   ► existing is because it's the only way to

◼   ► sync music on to iPods so maybe this

◼   ► will help that I don't know I mean I

◼   ► know this is up there with like the Mac

◼   ► App Store rewrite as incredibly unlikely

◼   ► predictions I've made recently but I

◼   ► don't know that they if they're going to

◼   ► do it they have to lay the groundwork to

◼   ► finally like fix / replace iTunes and

◼   ► one of the biggest ways to do that is

◼   ► first of all get rid of the need for to

◼   ► ever run on Windows and then second of

◼   ► all get rid of the need for it to sync

◼   ► iPods and like if you can do those

◼   ► things which are related you can clear

◼   ► out a lot of the need for it to hold on

◼   ► to all this old Kroft there was a leak

◼   ► related to that actually I think it was

◼   ► actually a Mac OS leaked some sort of

◼   ► thing in Mac OS that was like oh you

◼   ► know like quick looking on a video or

◼   ► something was like open this in in

◼   ► movies or something like that instead of

◼   ► open in iTunes right it was like a

◼   ► string for a dialog box thing that

◼   ► opened it in one of Apple's incredibly

◼   ► boring Lee named applications like

◼   ► there's no more iTunes now we have an

◼   ► application called movies and an

◼   ► application called podcasts and an

◼   ► application called music and that is

◼   ► totally what Apple would do was their

◼   ► super boring games anyway that's coming

◼   ► we all know something like that is

◼   ► coming and you're right getting rid of

◼   ► the iPods does does help it what if they

◼   ► don't use those boring names

◼   ► what if they pull a planet of the apps

◼   ► and they call every single one of the

◼   ► new apps Apple music yeah that would

◼   ► make just as much sense as this TV shows

◼   ► on Apple music well they did call it

◼   ► Audio os2 they have they always have to

◼   ► every time they solve solve a naming

◼   ► problem by like a lining

◼   ► stupid capitalization of all the row

◼   ► asses to be worse uniformly worse then

◼   ► they make a new crisis of naming which

◼   ► is like you no audio OS and Apple music

◼   ► with TV shows on it but they'll sort it

◼   ► out yeah so I don't know what the

◼   ► timeline is and those things seems like

◼   ► a lot to bite off but I'm you know even

◼   ► though it is totally fine to get rid of

◼   ► the iPods like their time has come there

◼   ► are still people who miss things about

◼   ► them and you know not that I miss the

◼   ► products specifically about I miss Apple

◼   ► being in that market so what kind of

◼   ► mark are we talking about well a lot of

◼   ► people have been running about missing

◼   ► the shuffle because it's just so darn

◼   ► small and some people don't want to

◼   ► strap a phone to them and like oh I just

◼   ► got an Apple watch that's the the watch

◼   ► is the new shuffle right you don't you

◼   ► know you just wear your watch and does

◼   ► so much more than the shuffle does the

◼   ► shuffle is kind of like being in some of

◼   ► the same markets is Fitbit and make an

◼   ► incredibly cheap thing that you don't

◼   ► mind too much when you put it through

◼   ► the washing machine does one simple

◼   ► thing well now that it has them in the

◼   ► shuffle a long time it's that one simple

◼   ► thing not really well because getting

◼   ► music on it was super pain but imagine

◼   ► something that was similar form factor