233: Nobody Cares But Me, But I Do Care
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so you use the it's a 15 inch know you
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have but you know you have the the
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escape with the 5k and the escapes
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clamshell close its back to a 15
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remember I know I make it hard to keep
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I can't keep track holy shit on a 15
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touch bar I'm a 15 touch bar which I
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never actually used the touch bar and
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that was because all the ports it was
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partially because of the ports it was
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partially because I tried the first few
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weekends I was spending here I used the
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the map book escape with the 5k and it
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was struggling to drive all those pixels
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like basic operations like window
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dragging was slow and and then and I I
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did want more performance if it was
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gonna be like my main computer for a
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month of heavy iOS development you know
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then I rationalize it away by saying
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well then when I go home I can bring the
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LG 5k and I can sell my iMac while it is
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still under any kind of warranty it has
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like it's I think it's under warranty to
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October and then you know use my
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clamshell with this but instead of I
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have now as my main set up until the Mac
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Pro comes out next year so I have
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appropriated a second 4k monitor which
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is a story that's not worth telling at
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the moment so I have two of these LJ 4k
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monitor LG for the Duchesse ALJ LG 4k
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monitors that are now being run off of
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my pre touch bar MacBook Pro and to be
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honest it actually seems just fine with
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these now granted there for K not 5k
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it's a big difference but it seems just
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fine with two 4k s however I have
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forgotten how persnickety and and fickle
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Mac OS is when it comes to clamshell
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mode there are lots of times that all
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like I put it to sleep and I open it up
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and it spurious and sometimes doesn't
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wake up I don't put it to sleep and I
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just rip all the cables out and I walk
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away and it goes to sleep and then may
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or may not wake up I'll open the lid and
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I'll rip all the cables out then
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everything just dances all over the
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place and then it may or may not
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actually be the way I want it to be its
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clamshell is not really what we should
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be doing with these things which is
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unfortunate because I do like it when I
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have either you know a 5k is you have or
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like a couple of for K's like I have and
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say what like as
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I've been using clamshell here at
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vacation times and I completely agree
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like it's been a while since I've used
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just a laptop with Mac OS at like laptop
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with a desktop screen connected to it
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like it's been a like I used to do it
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all the time I used my my main setup but
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that was probably a good six seven years
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ago at least and I had forgotten like
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quite how just inconsistent a lot of the
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stuff is like it just it doesn't work
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right and that le now with the touch bar
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it's even worse like every time I log in
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the text box won't show on the main
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screen I think you start typing because
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it's the laptop is waiting for touch ID
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but it's closed and so on the big LG
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screen it just shows me a login window
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and it will not show the text area
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unless you start typing it's like weird
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little stuff like that it's just it's
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just not it's not good I really honestly
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I'm rethinking my plan now of like
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getting rid of my iMac early I'm like oh
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god this is this is awkward
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not to mention like this lg screen is
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such a piece of crap really
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I rented a vanity for like it's not I
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mean so one thing is I had to get an
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Ergo Tron arm because the stand is so
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it just kept wobbling like every time I
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would like type on my keyboard I don't
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think I'm I'm that aggressive of a
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typist but every time I would type on
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the keyboard my monitor would wobble
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back and forth but yeah yeah LG is it's
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it's a piece of crap it's just it's not
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a good it's it's a PC monitor it has
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crap speaker that has crap frame around
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it it's you know it had that stupid
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interference problem with the early ones
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like it's just not a well engineered
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piece of anything and I I don't expect
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to be buying more non-apple monitors
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there if I can help it alright so this
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is a weird setup for tonight it is
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currently the evening of Friday the 4th
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of August and we are going to do a
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marathon recording session and we need
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to get this week's which probably won't
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be released until tomorrow on the fifth
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Saturday the 5th of August this week's
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recording which will probably be a
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mostly normal ATP recording and next
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weeks which will be released on or
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around Wednesday the 9th we are going to
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bit of Q&A probably for most of what
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ends up being the second episode but we
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are recording these both back-to-back
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and we may or may not have a cleaned
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separation between the first episode in
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the second depending on how aggressive
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Marko gets when he does the slicing and
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dicing so I have so many ideas I can
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only imagine this is like I'm thinking
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like so my two favorite ideas are either
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we do like next week on a TP like one of
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those like previous or we do like the
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classic cop-out of like I don't know how
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to end this song in the 80s so I'm just
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gonna fade it out I'll just be repeating
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the same sentence over and over again
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and just slowly fade way to spoil your
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two best ideas I hope you don't put this
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in the episode so anyway so this one it
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might feel this one in the next one I
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should say might feel slightly weird and
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I apologize if that's the case like we
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had mentioned I think on the last
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episode between the three of us we have
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planned our vacations to not overlap at
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all which is kind of unfortunate for
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times when you want to make sure all
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three of you are here to record so we're
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doing the best we can we apologize and
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thanks for bearing with us
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that being said John how was your beach
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vacation it's fine beat that I would
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have guessed let's talk about TSM C's
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ten millimeters excuse me ten nanometers
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versus Intel Intel's 10 nanometers and
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we had somebody in the know right in and
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that person said you know I work for one
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of the companies involved and they might
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be biased but I like the show this is
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this person talking and I just wanted to
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point out that like so many other things
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in technology naming of processed notes
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has become more marketing than reality
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so there's an article that talks about
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this and one of the recent tricks
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continues this anonymous email or one of
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the recent tricks is to quote a distance
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between features that are not
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electrically active so this allows you
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to quote a small number but of course
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doesn't do much for increasing
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transistor debt then
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and another person in a Julian Heather
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Bell wrote in to say that TSM sees ten
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nanometers is only a bit denser than
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Intel's 14 so Intel claims a three-year
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advantage on ten nanometers and wants to
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redefine everything we have another post
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about that and yet another post which
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will put them show notes about how Intel
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may still be set to lose process
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leadership after next year we're gonna
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race you in a hurry you got somewhere to
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be we have two episodes to fill here
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stretch it out you know do you know the
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TV stretch out motion looks like you're
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pulling taffy doing the opposite you're
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doing the the fingers rotate bring it
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together yeah yeah get it together
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do you really need to try hard to
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stretch out follow up apparently we do
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because Casey's going for a speed run
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again let me know there will be three
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links in those show nuts if you want to
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read more about this but the upshot is
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that a lot a lot of people rose to say
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hey until 10 nanometre isn't gonna be
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way smaller than TSMC Nana made 10
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nanometre and there's a lot of reasons
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for that and feature size is not very
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strictly defined as this couple is
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emails pointed out you know you can
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quote-unquote cheat by quoting distances
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that are in meaningful recording
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distances that make your particular
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arrangement look good because again
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these are when they're laying out the
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things on the chips it's a 3d
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arrangement of things there's a layering
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vertical horizontal you know it's it's
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three-dimensional it's not just like
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even though it's done with you know with
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ography it's not just two-dimensional
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like a drawing it's actually a 3d shape
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and it influences what the distances are
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between things anyway it's complicated
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but consensus was from all the different
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feedback and all that in articles that
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TSMC ten millimeter is not as small as
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until ten nanometer tint also has a lead
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and that final link is like well maybe
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they have lead now but they're gonna
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lose it and in 2019 and later and I
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guess we'll see that was still fairly
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quick thank you very much but you're
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right we should stretch it out so Steven
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Dean wrote in to say I can't even
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continue with it I thought you were
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struggling to pronounce his name even
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Dean that one's really difficult so
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Steven wrote in to say you're missing a
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lot of your movies sound
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without a subwoofer your atoms only go
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down to about 86 Hertz which is normal
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cutoff for a non full range can you
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translate that into English for me yeah
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so basically you know speakers because
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they are these giant moving things and
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everything there's a certain frequency
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range that they're able to reproduce and
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and what he's saying is that the low end
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of the frequency range of the woofers
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that are in my paradigm atom speakers
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are they can't reproduce very very very
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low frequencies and subwoofers have a
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lower floor they can reproduce
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frequencies much lower and and that is
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certainly one reason to have a sub
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woofer I think a better reason to have a
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sub woofer is to get like more bass
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energy you know more you can get more of
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that thump more of that slam I'm like
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and you know base hits and sounds and
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stuff and you can just also just get
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more volume and more spread that's
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probably a better reason to have it
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honestly but my my reasons for not
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liking subwoofers and not really wanting
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one remain I designed my TV speaker
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setup to be really good for music in a
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way that still is okay for TV and I
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think for music I still largely prefer
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two speakers not surround and for that
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to be not with some like big booming
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thumpy subwoofer you know on in the
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corner of the room now I know it there
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are ways to do it better
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however the arrangement of my living
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room is such that I don't really have a
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good place to put a subwoofer or maybe
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even a pair of subwoofers that would
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make any sense and that would sound good
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so you know it lots of people have
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written in saying you know you can put
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the subwoofer in good places there are
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good so but you know there are more of
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that more you know more ways to do it
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and then when I said last time and that
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is true you know in an ideal world but
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my living room is on an ideal world and
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so I have limitations of of you know
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what I can put where how much space I
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have in the current arrangement how
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things need to look because we don't
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want everything to just be this one like
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giant box so you know my setup is fine
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for me and if you want subwoofers and
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you were set up or if you want surround
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sound and your setup cool I don't really
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I don't know how the setup is good for
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music if you're giving up 2286 hurts
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that entire frequency range that's it
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that president music - it's not just
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movies explosions that have it you know
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I mean all the things about volume
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obviously yeah maybe you want to
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exaggerate in a movie but just plain old
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music music has bass - I know you don't
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like bass you're doing your own reviews
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but that's not true i I don't like when
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basses all you hear and and so while
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again I agree that it would be nice to
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have you know solid response across the
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whole frequency range in practice that's
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hard it's easy it's way easier doing
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headphones than it is and speakers
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headphones you only have one driver and
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you can you know you can do a lot of
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even easier things with it but you know
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the speakers you have to have like large
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things that depend on the arrangement of
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your room and and large boxes and large
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transducers of some kind that vibrate up
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and down and just get a home pot it will
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figure out how your room is arranged and
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make sure everything sounds okay
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I actually really curious to hear how
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the home pod deals with bass because
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basically it's one of those things it's
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kind of like the it's kind of like how
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it's hard for very very small camera
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sensors to do things that require big
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glass bass reproduction is one of those
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things where like at some point you kind
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of just need largeness like you need
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like a large surface to vibrate slowly
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to get some of that you know and and so
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it's very very hard for any kind of very
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small speaker to have good bass response
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that's why once the trend moved in
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computer speakers and then later on home
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theater speakers once the trend moved to
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very very small speakers they also had
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to add subwoofers because the little
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tiny speakers would reproduce the higher
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frequency it's just fine but then they
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needed to add a sub woofer to get the
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low frequencies and there was no way to
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make like a small speaker that could
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also do the low frequencies so the
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Amazon echo definitely has this problem
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where the bass on it it's non-existent
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although the sound quality isn't very
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good anyway on it so maybe they just
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don't care but the home pod I would
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imagine they're gonna care a lot about
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sound quality so I am really curious to
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see how they solve that problem if they
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solve that problem or if they just you
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know crank up the bass in in DSP in
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wheaton within the speaker like
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artificially inflate the little bit of
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bass they have and just hope that's
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enough and call today what was the
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biggest driver in the home pot it was
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that census like it's like are the fish
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do be moved if I'm riding in a beach
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tires not the little skinny one-inch
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immediately just like stop and fall over
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know a rusty old mountain bike that has
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a derailleur and rusty a chain yeah but
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what but when they work they work fine
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believe me they're fine no it's not no
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modern bikes would derail as I swear to
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don't don't pull them as hard fast
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requirements they're really funny things
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my god yeah look up NuVinci
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that's it's like about this it seem like
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well I guess you just replaced an on
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just pretend it has gears just like the
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beach house for like a general purpose
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bike because we have lots of people here
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I'll get this try it out it's belt drive
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fixed gear coaster brake so it's very
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simple it's also fairly affordable it's
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like 400 bucks so I'm getting that to
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try it out at the high end if I get into
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they basically make exactly what I want
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so I'm gonna try to find a showroom and
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try one of those out if I want a nice
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bike for home it's probably a little
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expensive for the beach so for the beach
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I'm looking at priority honorable
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mention for Breezer and Electra everyone
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them neither of them really make what I
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things as a combination but yeah both
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there's a reason why Trek is so big and
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they like across like the diagonal bar
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want that like I want something a little
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more low-key and subtle which we get a
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Cannondale yes they do yeah like and
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yeah so like again like wanting a belt
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drive internal gearing 2h tires and
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minimal branding
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that rules out a lot of people suggest
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so I will I will follow up if I if I buy
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anything more I'm gonna do the priority
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for the you know for the next few days
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and then you know whatever it arrives
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try that out and then if I love it
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I'll just use that if I hate it it'll be
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the tif slash spare bike here and I'll
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keep Wow know she wants more question is
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why do you why do you want fenders
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because of the drainage on this island
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is not very good there's often in very
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large puddles I have to drive through so
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I just don't want it to splash back up
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on my back oh and for everybody who's
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sending me the IKEA bike I did look at
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the IKEA slaughter bike it is belt drive
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it has internal two-speed gear it is in
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my opinion one of the most boring
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looking bikes I've ever seen I would
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like a bike to have some visual
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personality it doesn't but not like not
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to scream its brand name and giant
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letters on the frame but to have like
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maybe a color that isn't just black and
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grey like that would be nice you know
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some kind of color is the guy who buys
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black cars my car is bright red mmm this
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one was although you know what though
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this priority beach cruiser bike that I
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ordered it does happen to be white you
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know it's funny Marco that can happen to
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a person from time to time can't it it
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was the only good color funny how that
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is Marco you know it can happen to a
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person from time to time
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can't it that's funny I can't wait to
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see pictures of you flow by on Instagram
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on your delete on your delightful white
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bike it honestly it looks really good in
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white white is not a bad bike color
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it's a terrible car color I think this
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bike looks super dorky which one the
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priority coaster I ordered it does yes
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super dorky this looks like a beach bike
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to me it's a beach bike yes and this
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company makes something they make other
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varieties per these priority bikes they
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make other varieties that are almost
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what I want like the the the continuum
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onyx and the classic Plus Gotham Edition
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like they're almost what I want but they
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only have skinny tires and because
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you know they're made for commuters and
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stuff so that so yeah that's I'm
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probably not gonna do that but I don't
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know anyway so this could be the one
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with us forever but we are in a huge
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hurry because we don't have any time to
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really talk about all these Apple rumors
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cuz I'm sure no one's heard enough about
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the MA there's that too we should we
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should also mention there's one of the
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link in the show notes with regard to
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bikes huffy apparently is being eaten by
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Walmart do you want to explain this John
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this is actually tangential to the
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larger Walmart it's a lot of stories
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about what is ruined by companies
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involved them pivoting to sell to super
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stores because that's where all the
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money is and then having to make
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crappier and crappier things and getting
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squeezed by the super stores that demand
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that you take smaller and smaller profit
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margins and that's this huffy store is
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actually something different it's for
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huffy got into deal with Walmart and
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didn't realize how many bikes they'd
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actually sell through Walmart and they
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couldn't actually manufacture them so
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they they let their competitors
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manufacture them and sell them don't
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make the money from them anyway Walmart
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is bad and we all feel bad but this is
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another bit of feedback from Ryan Ricard
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you said that uh Schwinn and Mongoose
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both pivoted to be bargain-basement crap
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for Walmart and Target you know a lot of
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these companies the name remains kind of
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like atari or commodore like the
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Mongoose name remains but it shares
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nothing with the brand of my youth you
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know everything about it
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the way the bikes are designed what
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they're made of what where they're
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assembled what their target market is
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everything is just you know so yeah
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that's a shame and you can kind of tell
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why he's looking at him but yeah super
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stores yeah and yet another thing super
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stores have tried to ruin bicycles I'm
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sorry John this is what it is John would
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you like to say face on your Christmas
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story line that you tried to quote ATP
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references uh do me the favor of looking
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at it's from IMDB and I always like
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here's what it whenever I look up movie
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quotes a lot because I want to get them
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right it's important for me to get them
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right and to revalidate the correct
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memory because very often I have a lot
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of movie quotes in my head and they
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mutate over time as you repeat them they
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change a little bit and so like 15 years
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and according something you're like
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super duper sure it's one way
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cuz you've said it a thousand times
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right but it's changed like through a
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game of telephone only it's been inside
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your head the whole time right and so
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it's changed inside your head anyway I
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always want to look them up but they
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don't trust in the internet texts of
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someone like oh here's this famous quote
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from this movie because text is not the
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movie you know the map is not the
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territory I need to see the video I need
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to see the clip from the movie and
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obviously that can be doctored too and I
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weep for our children who will be able
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to trust video even less than we do due
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to the easy ability to synthesize video
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sorry kids anyway that's progress for
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you but according to IMDB they up ramble
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aside the line I was trying to quote
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last time from Christmas story is the
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greatest Christmas gift I have ever
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received or ever would receive I think I
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missed the Hat greatest Christmas gift I
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had ever received or would ever receive
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anyway there it is dears with me but I
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do care awesome that's I should be the
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title of my biography no nobody cares
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but me but I do care
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week no things have happened
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my friends things have happened so let
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me do my best job as chief summarizer in
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chief and kind of do a 50,000 foot
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summary and then we'll dig him to the
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details which inevitably means you too
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will interrupt me and I'm about since
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three and I will never get to complete
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my summary but there was a home pod
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firmware that was posted to the place
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one would expect home pod firmware to be
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do you guys say firmware firmwares I
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would say firmware is the plural you
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would say firmware is like like
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software's well that's why I would say
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growing up but for a fleeting moment
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there I just thought yeah this should it
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be firmwares no it shouldn't be Wayne
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isn't isn't where's how you should have
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your supposed to pronounce W a are easy
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oh yes that is true yeah yeah did you
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ever say it that way in your head
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growing because I always said Juarez and
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Mexico no I definitely said where's in
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my head oh my dad where's to this I was
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gonna say you should cut this but no
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this is worth it now alright so anyway
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so where wherever you would expect the
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home pod firmware singular yet plural to
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be is where they found somebody had
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upon firmware download and so a couple
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of people seem to grab a grab onto that
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well many people but particularly a
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couple of people seem to grab on this
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and start digging it apart a friend of
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the show can you concentrate we're
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professionals that's seven second ago
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joke kiba all right let's bring it back
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together kids bring it back together so
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two people really dug into this in
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particular and the two people were Steve
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John Smith who is a dear friend of the
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show and gear may Rambo who also did a
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lot of digging on this and so they found
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a lot of interesting stuff and the
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highlights were an image that is for an
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iPhone that is codenamed D 22 that looks
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like the image that we've seen off and
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on of this supposed I phone pro where it
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seems to be an edge to edge screen
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there's like a little notch at the top
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which presumably holds the speaker in
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the FaceTime camera there was some
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information about how apparently there
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will be front-facing IR camera that
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presumably looks to be for face
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detection and a bunch of other stuff too
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but that's kind of the quick quick quick
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summary so how would we like to dig into
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this I'll tell you one way we did not
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want to dig into this is by spring bug
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spray on our legs earlier so I could
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we'd whack all the tick infested grass
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out in front of the house and then
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coming inside doing a podcast with you
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fine gentleman putting my hands on my
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legs and then member my eyes oh that's
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not wise do you need a moment to collect
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yourself it's slowly going away I think
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I might be okay or you might go blind
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soon next time just accept the bug bites
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well there's ticks out there oh I'm
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gonna try not to touch my feet I'm like
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I was just put it on my legs that way I
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won't be a problem for the rest of the
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night like it is when you put it like on
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your whole body because it's like all
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you really need for ticks is to put on
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here on your feet and legs and I found
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one tick on me I'm Laurie island just a
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couple days ago and it was not on my
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I don't want to hear the rest of that
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story yeah this sounds super ominous it
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had not bitten me yet it was still
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crawling trying to find a place to bite
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that's good I removed it was prejudice
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all right so what do we think if d-22 so
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I think well here's a couple thing so
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this I don't know if you want to go into
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the leaking things I guess we're going
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to that at the end but the information
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revealed once you leak the home
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platformer people thinking okay so what
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who cares they leak the home plot of fur
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where what the home pods not out yet we
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already know what it is it's a speaker
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tourney thing why why would we get any
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information from that and it's because
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it runs iOS and iOS has a bunch of crap
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in it and normally that crap is removed
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from bills that they release to the
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public even in the betas they remove all
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the stuff that they don't want you to
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see what might they not want you to see
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icons frameworks you know the names of
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symbols programmer e-type stuff and the
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people who pulled down this home plot
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firmware you know extract that stuff
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they look at all the frameworks and look
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at the names of the frameworks and the
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names of the functions and the symbols
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that are in them they look at all of the
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resources for different kinds of icons
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and graphics and and stuff like that it
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appears and dialog boxes and in the UI
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and you can learn a tremendous amount
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without even executing any of this code
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just because it happens to be iOS and
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this bill doesn't help that stuff
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excluded from it so we learned learned
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quote-unquote a lot of interesting
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things just by looking at the framework
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commands and the symbols and this is the
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whole frameworks having to do and you
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know classes and methods having to do
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with things about face recognition and
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recognizing different kinds of faces and
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why would that be in there well we are
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have the rumors are better recognized in
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your face you put two together and you
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say that's probably what that is down to
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the point where you're looking at like
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attributes and classes that say like in
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said and border-radius and stuff that's
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sort of confirming the idea that the
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entire edge to edge screen will be
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addressable with sort of curves around
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the edges you know and classes that
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might indicate how they might handle the
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home button at the bottom of the screen
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and displaying things there and stuff
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like that so it's it's kind of tea leaf
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reading in that we don't have any actual
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leaked hardware for the phone or
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anything like that where we just have is
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a bunch of symbols it functions but if
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you're a program
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and you're familiar with uikit and the
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rest of iOS and just programming in
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general you can kind of piece together a
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surprisingly detailed picture of how
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this new phone might work based on the
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iOS that was released as part of the
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home pod you know home pods OS release
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and so it's kind of a weird kind of a
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weird leak but it just goes to show that
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like anything on the internet you don't
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like it security through obscurity is no
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security at all it never has been but in
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the age of the internet even even less
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so but I was I was fascinated to see the
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slow leak of people pulling out all the
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different details of the OS to the point
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where there was really good blog post by
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Allen pike where he put so it puts it
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all together and says based on
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everything that we've seen here's one
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way that I think the theoretical phone
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might work from a software perspective
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so we've got Hardware rumors and then
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we've got a link of the home pod thing
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and then we from that synthesize this
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entire complete picture of one way that
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the the OS might work now
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it could be entirely wrong it could be
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you know something different than this
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but I was pretty impressed by this to
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say you know just the normal parts leak
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that you get plus a bunch of class dumps
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and icon files and now we have like a
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complete iPhone Pro possible scenario
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supported by all the available leaked
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evidence though I think it actually is
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pretty cool if they don't do this I hope
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they do something just as cool because I
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read this thing I'm like that a makes
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sense B fits with everything that we've
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been leaked and C is pretty neat yeah I
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completely agree yeah I mean like this
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it does like I I'm not a fan of the idea
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of this weird cutout into the screen
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with the cameras and everything like I
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don't I don't like that it seems like a
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weird hack but if they're going to do it
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this looks like a really cool way to do
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it like with the the whole idea of
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having a split status bar such that
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basically you it's almost as if the
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screens not cut out it's almost like if
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applications don't really have access to
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that area or if you only get it in
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things like over scroll areas
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navigation bars and stuff like that then
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it's still weird but it's a clever it's
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a clever hack it's a good question about
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things like where the clock goes and
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what about a stuff that won't fit in the
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cutouts like there's a lot in the status
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bar these days things like not having as
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much on Android though well that's true
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yeah I was just about to say the same
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thing oh my goodness looking at my
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co-workers Android phone Android phones
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that have just a mountain of icons up
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there a new Android phone that I just
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saw like at fresh out of the box no
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weird stuff on the Samsung Android phone
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100 icons in the status bar I may be
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overestimating but only slightly it's so
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true it's like a ticker-tape of icons
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and I think it's I think it's bad it's
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like a Mac user you've ever seen in your
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officers 100 icons of the menu bar Casey
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oh no I have fewer than most thank you
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very much you just start heating on the
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ISTEP menus that I have up there but no
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I like the the fact if you have to
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install bartender which I'm sure is a
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very great app if you have to install
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bartender you have bigger problems my
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friend then then just moving some of
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them out of your menu bar like you
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should just get them out into Oh God I'd
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hate apps that for some any bar icon of
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Trajan Hana's oh so actually I've
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derailed myself looking at the topless
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notes I mean look looking at the symbols
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and everything and having face
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recognition symbols like that is not a
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big a slam-dunk as people think if we
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didn't already have the face recognition
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rumor there's all sorts of weird symbols
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on there and maybe wouldn't ship maybe
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it's not ready like we didn't see we
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didn't see the internal builds of iOS 10
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for all we know these symbols could have
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been in there in iOS 10 they just didn't
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make the cut you know or something like
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that or whatever right but we have all
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those other rumors about being face
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recognition so this you know but it all
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adds up right the other part of this
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though is all the rumors about that a
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little unibrow thing a little notch to
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the cut I mean we talked we saw a little
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notch thing I think we talked about it
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when we're talking about touch ID being
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on the back and how they're gonna do a
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screen thing edge to edge and what they
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can and can embed in the screen and
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apparently they can embed like the
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cameras and if there's gonna be an IR
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sensor and the speaker and blah blah so
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this is not CH I think one of you may be
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Marco thought it was the not just
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doesn't seem like an apple thing to do
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way back when when we talked about it
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you know it's not elegant like you just
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said before like the notch seems weird
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doesn't it like it wouldn't it be great
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if the whole thing was
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it would be oh but we can't quite pull
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it off so what can we do well we'll do
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the best we can and leave this little
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notch right and that's always been the
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question though Apple wouldn't do it
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unless they could do the whole screen
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they're not gonna do a little notch
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thing kind of like people saying apples
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not going to put a camera that causes a
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bulge but they totally did because it's
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more worth it to have a really good
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camera than to make the back of a smooth
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so camera bulge here to stay and so in
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the home pod firmware at leak there is
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an icon for d-22 that is just it's not a
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picture of the new iPhone it is it's an
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icon like a little vector drawing or
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whatever other thing but it has to look
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like carnac that's let you know by
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looking at this little icon this is the
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phone we're talking about so if just
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basically like a rounded rectangle I
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imagine for the seven and seven plus
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sizes right but this one has the notch
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in it and it's the only thing in it it
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is a rounded rectangle and the only
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distinguishing characteristic Oh than
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the width and height and the border
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radius is the knotch
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and so this is a pretty hard
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confirmation of that notch because
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they're not waffling about whether it's
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give me a notch at this point there's no
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this this icon is in there and it
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doesn't seem like they would have this
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thing and the codename d-22 is right on
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what you expect it to be so this thing's
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gonna have a notch and that's weird
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and that's it's like the camera bump but
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even worse it's not as bad as touch ID
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on the back but it is a weird thing to
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do and so you know Apple rumors are that
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this this all screen OLED phone has been
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in the works for a long time and not
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them say it's behind schedule but I bet
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Apple would have loved to ship it last
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year but they couldn't it wasn't ready
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it now it's ready they're going with the
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notch so for me from this leak the most
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important thing about it is notches it
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go get ready get ready for not you're
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ready to love the notch get ready to
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deal with the notch get ready to fix
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your application that gets screwed up
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when the notches they're also on a press
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conversation about hey they change the
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dots to be bars you think they did that
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to get make room for the notch I think
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and it was like wow maybe but we didn't
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know if this is gonna be a notch well
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it's gonna be a notch so no more dots
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back to bars makes perfect sense I think
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what I like about this leak though is
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that it gives us enough to be really
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interested in this but there's still so
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much that we don't know that we're only
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going to know once we see the software
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running on this phone but we're probably
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we're almost certainly not going to see
[TS]
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before the event so like even though
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like leading up to this we we had the
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idea of a lot of the major themes of
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this device leading up you know for
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almost the last year in all the rumors
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and everything but we didn't know many
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specifics and most of the most of the
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things we that we'd see like leaked or
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rumored or talked about here and there
[TS]
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would be very vague and very unsure of
[TS]
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themselves and oftentimes conflicting
[TS]
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and so now even though this is now like
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pretty strong evidence of it being a
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certain way and so some of that surprise
[TS]
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is now kind of spoiled what we have now
[TS]
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learned you know and again it's not like
[TS]
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knowledge it's not it isn't the fact it
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isn't a guarantee it's just very strong
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evidence in a certain direction
[TS]
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but what this you know nearly confirms
[TS]
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is not something that we is was totally
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unknown to us like there were rumors of
[TS]
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all these things there were rumors of
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the notch there rumors of the face
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detection type stuff and depth cameras
[TS]
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and everything like all that stuff what
[TS]
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was rumored for months and that and that
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was already becoming the dominant
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narrative of the rumors that was
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becoming like where most of them were
[TS]
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were kind of coalescing and gathering so
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it didn't actually spoil much surprise
[TS]
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it just kind of like says all right this
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group of the rumors which was already
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the predominant ones this is probably on
[TS]
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the right path but there's still so many
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questions that it's still very
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interesting to us and most of those
[TS]
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questions are not going to be answered
[TS]
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until the event they added some
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information to like again with the
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symbol dumps stuff that we wouldn't have
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known normally until the keynote because
[TS]
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is software based right so there's a
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bunch of symbols having to do with
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apparently the camera detecting what it
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is you're taking a picture up you're
[TS]
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taking a picture of person is it a plant
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it is a son is it a sunset is it you
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know whatever it might be
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most modern regular cameras have
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something oh I can tell it's portrait
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versus landscape as I do simple face
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detection but this was way more detail
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my friend a link to put all things but
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it was like figuring out in a fairly
[TS]
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detailed manner what it is you're
[TS]
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looking at and what we'll do with that
[TS]
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information besides putting the word hot
[TS]
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dog or not hot dog on the screen like
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presumably you can adjust the camera
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based on what it's looking at I get that
[TS]
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it could metadata tag them or something
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I mean who knows but like those symbols
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are in there for you know and there's
[TS]
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all sorts of other stuff about face
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detection or we assume that face
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detection where is that the face is half
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covered the face is smiling or frowning
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or like all tons of symbols that only
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make sense if if this phone with these
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set of sensors on it can figure out way
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more about what it's looking at whether
[TS]
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it's looking at it to take a picture or
[TS]
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looking at it to unlock your phone or
[TS]
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whatever all these symbols indicate that
[TS]
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there surely features somewhere in iOS
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11 running on this phone that are based
[TS]
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on the camera having a much richer
[TS]
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awareness of what's going on around it
[TS]
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also including like presence detection
[TS]
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are you in front of the phone or
[TS]
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whatever so that I think added
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information none of that stuff had been
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rumored like wow you know we the rumors
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that oh it's gonna have camera and a
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notch and an IR sensor and face
[TS]
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►
detection unlocking that's all the stuff
[TS]
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that would leak but but the key note
[TS]
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would be like oh and also now that we
[TS]
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have all those sensors you know we can
[TS]
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do we can know when you take a picture
[TS]
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of a dog and tag it with dog and make
[TS]
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►
this the smart search easier when you
[TS]
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►
search for dog even if you took a
[TS]
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picture of the tip of the dog's tail we
[TS]
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►
you know we figured that out and like I
[TS]
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don't like features like that are things
[TS]
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►
normally we don't get to see until the
[TS]
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day up so I think this is one of the
[TS]
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►
biggest software leaks that has ever
[TS]
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happened to Apple because I think it
[TS]
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►
reveals potentially so much about stuff
[TS]
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►
that they're gonna demo that they just
[TS]
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►
assumed no one would know about because
[TS]
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►
in general the software doesn't leak
[TS]
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►
this I mean this is this is legal stuff
[TS]
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►
this is a pretty big leak in terms of
[TS]
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like we didn't mean to put this build
[TS]
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there by the way people wondering why
[TS]
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why is this build accessible at all home
[TS]
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►
pods have been testing on Apple
[TS]
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►
employees and other people who were in
[TS]
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the know have been testing home pods for
[TS]
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►
a long time and they have a feed for
[TS]
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software updates but that is a fee that
[TS]
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is not accessible to the general public
[TS]
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►
is only accessible to Apple employees
[TS]
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►
right someone made a mistake and took
[TS]
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►
the firmware that's supposed to go in
[TS]
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►
that feed it's only accessible to Apple
[TS]
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employees and put it on the public
[TS]
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facing one and that is a pretty big
[TS]
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►
mistake like it's kind of like taking
[TS]
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you know I don't know like iOS 11 before
[TS]
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any of the betas came out and putting it
[TS]
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on a publicly accessible URL on the
[TS]
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Internet and again it's security through
[TS]
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►
obscurity it's like what
[TS]
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you put something on a URL it's
[TS]
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►
accessible Internet as long as no one
[TS]
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►
knows the URL it's like people are
[TS]
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►
randomly typing in URLs to guess where
[TS]
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►
your thing might be that's exactly what
[TS]
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►
they're doing and that you are always
[TS]
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►
guessable because you just replace the
[TS]
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►
word TV with the word audio in an
[TS]
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existing URL for the TV OS updates and
[TS]
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guess what you got this and somebody had
[TS]
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a really bad day at Apple and I feel bad
[TS]
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because you know it's you're human you
[TS]
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►
make mistakes it just goes to show all
[TS]
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►
the security and all these billions of
[TS]
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►
dollars they spend you know it's not I
[TS]
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►
don't think there's some malicious just
[TS]
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someone someone made a mistake we don't
[TS]
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►
like a snake sometimes you leave a phone
[TS]
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►
in a bar sometimes sometimes you upload
[TS]
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►
the the unredacted version of the new
[TS]
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►
iOS that includes all the secret symbols
[TS]
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►
for your new super secret phone onto a
[TS]
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►
public URL and so I feel I feel kind of
[TS]
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►
bad but I'm also kind of excited about
[TS]
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►
exactly how much we were able to mine
[TS]
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out of this and like Margot said and
[TS]
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►
still and still we're not sure still we
[TS]
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►
have to wait for the keynote to see
[TS]
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►
which things are which it's a it's a
[TS]
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►
little bit of spoiling Christmas morning
[TS]
◼
►
to know how you know because I can
[TS]
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►
extrapolate so many things that could
[TS]
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►
possibly be there and the keynote will
[TS]
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just be a narrowing but still pretty
[TS]
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exciting do you um I don't have the link
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don't think it was though but anyways
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there was someone who was critiquing no
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what do you do with the knotch and
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there's like one of the approaches he
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notch you know make it visible make it
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OLED so it would just kind of all blend
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very well what was there I think I like
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that at a glance more than this like
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embrace the notch make it white to the
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left and the right of the knotch what do
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you guys think about that let's start
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with Marco totally with you
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I think the design that makes the parts
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left and right of the not just black it
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makes it look like a big status bar that
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and that is the one matter I think they
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should and hopefully will do but there
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is there is a risk I don't know if it's
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a big risk there's a risk that the
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desire to have these like over these
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like overflow areas these over scroll
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areas in the UI some wonder how like you
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know when I was seven ever since I was
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seven you've had like if you have like a
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navigation bar or a tool bar in an
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interface you could you have like the
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blurred version of the scroll view in
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the middle kind of under hanging though
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like the top and bottom like it kind of
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overflowed in those areas as you scroll
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I can see maybe the Apple UI designers
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wanting to do more of that with this
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newfound screen real estate and to have
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the to have these new areas both the
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little tabs next to the status bar and
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also the new like presumed home button
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area at the bottom I could see those
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becoming just over scroll areas but I
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hope they don't do that I hope if
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anything if they want to do that just
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make at the bottom one and not little
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tabs on top because having this big like
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you know file card shaped UI I think
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looks weird I don't like having those
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two tabs at the top be visibly like
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light-colored UI I think it should just
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look like a big status bar and you
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shouldn't even really really really
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think about the notch most of the time I
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agree so as I think it was Steve drought
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and Smith pointed this out but I think
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as well the thing that we extracted we
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the thing that has been extracted by an
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industrious hackers from the firmware is
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an icon of the phone and it's supposed
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to be identifiable so you look at that
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you know oh they're talking about
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whatever the iPhone Pro or the iPhone 8
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or wherever this thing's gonna be called
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so it needs to be a recognizable symbol
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at small sizes and the only
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distinguishing feature of that icon is
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so for in order to be able to look at
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that and say oh that means my phone
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which is the purpose of the icon that
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knotch has to be a distinguishing
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visible cat or visual characteristics of
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the phone as far as the users are
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concerned otherwise that icon is not
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useful for identifying it so that could
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be as simple as okay well it works
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exactly like you guys were just
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describing when you use it like it we
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pretend it's not there and just like the
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status bar but the lockscreen
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for example when we show your big
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lockscreen picture that shows with the
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notch all the time because that would
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make you know that's your first
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experience of turning on the phone you
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know we're seeing the lock screen or
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whatever that oh it's got a notch right
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if the knotch goes away when you launch
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apps you still recognize it as the phone
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with the notch because that's what you
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see when you first turn it on but I
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think at the very least Apple is
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embracing the notch to the degree to the
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degree that this icon is representative
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it doesn't mean you're gonna see it the
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whole time you're using it inside
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applications but it does mean that
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they're embracing it somewhere probably
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in the lock screen maybe also in
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springboard maybe also I mean I'm trying
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to think of you know if developers
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wanted to could they addressed it in
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show video and the knotch
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like overflow video bleeped like who
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knows how far it availables would be
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able to go but it seems clear to me that
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Apple in the same way they essentially
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embrace the camera by saying we're not
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hiding it it's there it's a camera bump
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look at it there's gonna be a notch and
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I think there has to be at least some
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context where the notch is absolutely
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visible and distinguished and a
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distinguishing characteristic to people
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I also would prefer like both of you
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alright fine I see the notch I get your
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branding I can identify my phone but
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once I'm using the application don't you
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know I know I don't need it doesn't need
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to be emphasized you can make it
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disappear with a nice status bar
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hopefully that's up to developers if
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developers want to do something fancy
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with the notch maybe they can and the
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same way you can mess with the status
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bar in weird ways to varying degrees and
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although I couldn't change the color of
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the status bar to anything you wanted
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back in the old days and they kind of
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clamped down on that no you could never
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you could have it be like white or black
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but you could never have it be arbitrary
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colors you could have a translucent one
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and kind of put like a window behind it
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you know to make it kind of fake to kind
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of fake it but I don't know of any apps
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that really ever did that with any
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success yeah and I actually you know
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either way they go with this I think the
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bottom part of the screen is actually
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more interesting that gets into what
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Allen Pike was talking about so the top
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line we assume it's a status bar and
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there's some interesting things you can
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do by you know getting you know going
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bleeding the pixels up higher on the
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screen because this it's almost edge to
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edge especially if you incorporate
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dodging to the status bar but the action
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happens down at the bottom where all of
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a sudden you've got all the screen
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where there used to be a hardware home
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button and of course you can draw a
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software home button there but you've
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got all this other space where you can
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draw things to what might you use that
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for and one of Allen Pike suggestions
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take your UI navbar wherever that class
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and take the current awkward arrangement
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with lots of white space and take those
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navigation controls like done or edit or
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whatever those little words that are up
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in the corner that are hard to reach in
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your big phone and shove them down next
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to the home button because now that's
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all a screen and it's actually easier to
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reach there's been a lot of articles
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recently about how it's easier to reach
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the bottom of your really big phone with
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your thumb the top of the really big
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phone so bottom navigation becomes more
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preferable than it was back in the days
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of the original iPhone size or even the
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5 size and it makes a lot of sense like
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whether they do that or not you look up
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and you go oh ok well that would work
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and it would make sense based on the
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design we currently see in iOS 11 betas
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but maybe they won't do that maybe what
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can you do with the bottom you've got a
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lot of pixels down there apples is
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surely gonna reserve some of them for OS
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related functions in in the sort of the
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default case where you don't want to go
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you know a full bleed video or whatever
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you could do interesting stuff down
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there instead of just showing a circle
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where you put your thumb presumably to
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use touch ID sensor that's
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may or may not be buried under the
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screen yeah it's funny because I feel
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like we have learned a lot in this leak
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but I think you guys are right that I
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don't know that we've learned all that
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much but we've more gotten some soft
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confirmation of a lot of the things that
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were already suspected and though I
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still think this is the second biggest
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leak that I've ever witnessed as
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compared to the what was at the iPhone 4
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that was found in the bar yep so I think
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that still takes the cake for the
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biggest leak but man this is a close
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second and and it's fascinating like I
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feel kind of bad for the Apple
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developers like the developers within
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Apple that have been working on this
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stuff and have been really sweating this
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and and we're hoping for the big splash
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surprise like that article was I think
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was that article that float floated
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around a like a month ago that talked
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about this but any or but or maybe was
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on the talk show live
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what was it doesn't matter somewhere
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they were saying you know really it's
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it's a bummer for the employees when
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something leaks the other employees and
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that kind of stinks but I do think it is
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fascinating and super cool how you know
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developers in particular have been able
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to kind of figure out all of this stuff
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just by going spelunking into the
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firmware and I should have expected
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something like this from a man with the
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surname of Rambo I mean this is how it
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this is how the Rambo's work right
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that's what we learned from the movies
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before and I just got from the firmware
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but like it's interesting to me that
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with home pod we reverted to the old
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nomenclature is back on the original
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iPhone the iPhone came with firmware
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because the phone phones don't run OS is
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silly its firmware right I'm obviously
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that's before you know it was called
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iPhone OS after that I believe and then
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it switched to iOS right but now on the
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home pod because it's so we'll see and
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doesn't have a screen even though
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they've extracted a screen resolution as
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far as iOS is concerned a very small
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screen resolution and potentially an
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humble number of addressable LEDs blah
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blah blah anyway now it's back to
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firmware it's like it's called you know
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the reason I got this in the URLs they
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change TV OS to audio uh so if you want
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to give it a name TV OS runs on Apple TV
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I owe s runs on you know iPhones and
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iPods and iPads and audio us runs on the
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home pod but we don't call it audio as
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it's still it's stuck in from I guess
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you got a starting firmware and work
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your way up do we start referring you to
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your actual OS update yeah that's a
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little bit weird I guess I want to make
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it seem like an embedded things also in
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case you were wondering about the Amazon
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echo show and the potential we discussed
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many times of Apple's home thing that
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sits in your home having a screen on it
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naming the thing audio s obviously
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doesn't nothing because you can rename
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or whatever you want they renamed their
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rests all the time but it's a pretty
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strong stake in the ground of this
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product or this product we already know
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but like in case you're wondering do
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they expect the operating system to do a
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lot of displaying of pictures no it's
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called audio OS like whether or not it
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has a screen that can show weird symbols
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or an addressable grid of LEDs under a
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diffuser or whatever the OS is all about
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audio any other thoughts about all this
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not really sure there's stuff that I
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forgot to put in the notes but there was
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there was so much so much stuff that was
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leaked and so many people digging and
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this that I couldn't even keep up with
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it yeah I feel like this should be like
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a four hour conversation for us but I
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really feel like we've we've kind of
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touched on all of it so well and also
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like I mean as Parker said before
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everything that's in this leak have been
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discussed before with the exception of a
[TS]
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few additional symbols that lean towards
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features that hadn't been you know that
[TS]
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could have been imagined but that hadn't
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been thought about you know like the
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camera understanding was taking a
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picture of and adjusting things but you
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can extrapolate that from the sensors
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and it shows how imagination plus the
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usual hardware supply chain leaks can
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get us most of the way there anyway
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OLED we've known forever screen
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edge-to-edge we've also known forever
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face detection was a big leak and then
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IR a sensor isn't like that how to
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support it touch a D in the screen
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versus the back is still up in the air
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nothing in this it goes one way or the
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other I think and then the home pod leak
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would just nail all that dying for us
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but we were already talking about all
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those things like I feel bad for the
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employees blah blah blah well if this
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leak could not happen
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we'd all be watching that keynote saying
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I can't wait to see the OLED phone that
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does face recognition with the next ice
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cream potentially with a notch in it
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like we were already there it's just you
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know it's just confirming stuff we're
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you know so you know it's it continues
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to be hard for Apple to be secretive
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about something that it's going to build
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literally millions of like months ahead
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of time like someone's gonna build them
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human beings are gonna build them and
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this information has value to many
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different parties the least of which is
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a bunch of Apple in there it's like as
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values like people who are designing
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cases or making clones or competitive
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they're like it's it's really it's
[TS]
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really hard to keep this kind of secret
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and Apple continues to prove that but no
[TS]
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matter how much money you have no matter
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how careful you are we're gonna find out
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about your phone Mac Pro is gonna be
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pretty secret though let me tell you
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show what do you have John about this
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nickname that a grouper reported the
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Ferrari nickname yeah iPhone D 22s
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nickname may have been Ferrari oh yeah
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that make that makes perfect sense
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because we've all been talking about
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this phone in in that kind of way as
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they're gonna make phones like the 7 and
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the 7 plus and they're gonna be fine
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phones and those the normal ones but
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then there's the fancy one a fancy one
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is you know edge to edge screen and made
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of exact materials and gonna be more
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expensive and you know Ferrari it's the
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perfect name for it it's like it's not
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the phone that everybody's gonna have
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and a lot of the stories and a lot of
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Gruber's writing about has been about
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how hey this will be phone to be more
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expensive because though I make it the
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same price as the other ones it's called
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you know you're going to segment the
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market like good better best or whatever
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and be how they probably can't make as
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many of these like if this was the only
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iPhone that potentially they wouldn't be
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able to make as many of them because one
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or more parts in that are not being able
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to be manufactured in volume and the
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meta point about the Ferrari phone is
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like if Apple can only ever put
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technology in its phones that it can
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make 60 million of like for a launch day
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or whatever it's going to be a
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disadvantage against competitors that
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only have to make like
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million phones if you can make two
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million phones feel like I just need two
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million of this special awesome screen
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and apples like oh that screen is
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awesome we would love to put that screen
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that iPhone is sorry we can only make
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two million of those and they will
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apples like well we need 60 million well
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we can't make them any of that screen
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you can't put that screen your phone so
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this gives them an addition to
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segmenting the market like oh you want
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to pay even more for an iPhone Apple is
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happy to accommodate you yay what can we
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put in this phone that's worth the extra
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what could make it look cooler we could
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have fancy features like the face
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detection and the edge to edge screen
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and we can put components in it that we
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can only make 12 million over 15 million
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of them said of 60 mm making these
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numbers up but like whatever like and
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the Ferrari name fits of debt Ferraris
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cars that cost more than other cars they
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make fewer of them and they're really
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fancy so and Eddy Cue is on the board of
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Ferrari so everything fits it all works
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yeah yeah all right so no more thoughts
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on this leak I feel bad for the
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responsible party though my goodness I
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can't tell if my water smells like DEET
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or if my hands smell you deep that are
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handling the waters stop stop eating bug
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spray Marco it's gonna affect the show
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eventually Marco's I can tell Marc was
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drinking and I can tell when he's eating
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bug spray he is high today hey there's
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no more iPods except the iPod Touch
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which could be only one
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yeah that's Highlander John hi Liam yeah
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went over my head at least don't worry
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I'm still okay I didn't get a reference
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Oh can't get there can be only one this
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is a new low folks one isn't the most
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well-known reference the market will not
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get Highlander is now there can be only
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one is now in the lead
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I mean if you're talking about like most
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popular things that I haven't seen you
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got to go probably Lord of the Rings or
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Harry Potter or maybe Star Trek but but
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you but you know but this is differently
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you don't expect you to have seen
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Highlander we're not crazy but you know
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that is that is a reference to
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Highlander like it's at a very popular
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engine I mean we use many many times you
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don't have to have ever seen the movie
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to know that that anyway but I think
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that's the top of the leaderboard now
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because I would say that is pretty well
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anyway no more ipods sometimes I forget
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they still make them like I feel like
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that's the like the best time for Apple
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to discontinue a product quietly like
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this is when half people who hear the
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news say oh they still made those yeah
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like that's that probably is a good
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indicator that they that they killed in
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an appropriate time it was not too soon
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it might have been too late but it was
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not too soon and yeah I mean this is if
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anything I think this is I mean first of
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all yeah probably long overdue but
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second of all this might help usher in
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the post iTunes era because one of the
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biggest reasons that iTunes has to keep
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existing is because it's the only way to
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sync music on to iPods so maybe this
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will help that I don't know I mean I
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know this is up there with like the Mac
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App Store rewrite as incredibly unlikely
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predictions I've made recently but I
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don't know that they if they're going to
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do it they have to lay the groundwork to
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finally like fix / replace iTunes and
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one of the biggest ways to do that is
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first of all get rid of the need for to
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ever run on Windows and then second of
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all get rid of the need for it to sync
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iPods and like if you can do those
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things which are related you can clear
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out a lot of the need for it to hold on
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to all this old Kroft there was a leak
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related to that actually I think it was
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actually a Mac OS leaked some sort of
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thing in Mac OS that was like oh you
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know like quick looking on a video or
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something was like open this in in
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movies or something like that instead of
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open in iTunes right it was like a
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string for a dialog box thing that
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opened it in one of Apple's incredibly
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boring Lee named applications like
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there's no more iTunes now we have an
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application called movies and an
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application called podcasts and an
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application called music and that is
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totally what Apple would do was their
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super boring games anyway that's coming
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we all know something like that is
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coming and you're right getting rid of
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the iPods does does help it what if they
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don't use those boring names
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what if they pull a planet of the apps
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and they call every single one of the
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new apps Apple music yeah that would
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make just as much sense as this TV shows
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on Apple music well they did call it
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Audio os2 they have they always have to
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every time they solve solve a naming
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problem by like a lining
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stupid capitalization of all the row
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asses to be worse uniformly worse then
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they make a new crisis of naming which
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is like you no audio OS and Apple music
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with TV shows on it but they'll sort it
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out yeah so I don't know what the
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timeline is and those things seems like
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a lot to bite off but I'm you know even
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though it is totally fine to get rid of
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the iPods like their time has come there
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are still people who miss things about
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them and you know not that I miss the
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products specifically about I miss Apple
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being in that market so what kind of
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mark are we talking about well a lot of
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people have been running about missing
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the shuffle because it's just so darn
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small and some people don't want to
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strap a phone to them and like oh I just
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got an Apple watch that's the the watch
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is the new shuffle right you don't you
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know you just wear your watch and does
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so much more than the shuffle does the
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shuffle is kind of like being in some of
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the same markets is Fitbit and make an
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incredibly cheap thing that you don't
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mind too much when you put it through
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the washing machine does one simple
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thing well now that it has them in the
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shuffle a long time it's that one simple
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thing not really well because getting
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music on it was super pain but imagine
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something that was similar form factor
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and price to the iPod shuffle but you
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never needed to connect the iTunes like
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they did everything wirelessly and it's
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sync with all your music and you know
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like people would buy that for 50 bucks
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Apple doesn't want to be in the market
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to sell you that little Terrier 50 bucks
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like they've stayed in it a lot longer
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than anyone thought they would
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who knows how cheaply they can
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manufacture those things now but it's
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kind of a shame that Apple doesn't want
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to go that far down they just want to
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sell you glass rectangles of varying
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sizes the smallest one they're gonna
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make so far it's gonna be on your watch
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that's probably great for everybody but
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the Apple watch is not the same market
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as 50 dollar piece of crap electronic
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thing that you just clip on to your
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clothes that is you know incredibly
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lightweight and that has access to all
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of your music like effortlessly so I
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hope to see like the return of the
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shuffle like if Apple if the Apple I
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used to be successful five years from
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now or whatever you know the watch gets
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super cheap and travels down to that
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segment or some other you know some
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other things some other sort of you can
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find it in a box of cereal incredibly
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cheap don't really worry about it too
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much but also incredibly light and also
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empowered by Apple's sort of ecosystem
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like all the stuff they have all you
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your podcasts or music and you know all
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the clouds stuff I mean talk about
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having cellular to the Apple watch which
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we talked about many years ago as an
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inevitability you know a tiny iPod
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shuffle that has access to your entire
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library of music and podcast
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it also has cell access that cost 50
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bucks like I would love that product in
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10-15 years so I hope not that the iPod
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comes back but that form-factor come
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back and that Apple doesn't rosanna it
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doesn't continue to travel up market
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without remembering they can also extend
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down market as well I think ultimately
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the the biggest problem and probably the
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reason why this was killed and why this
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doesn't exist you know it hops us Krantz
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I major let me let him in so I had a
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tough love I ferberize my dog he's
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whining out there she's whining out
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there and you know I just just wait it
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out eventually you know we put it on
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airplane mode what does that even mean I
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don't want to make fun of you so badly
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for that but that is genius all right so
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I think one of the reasons why they
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killed the iPods now and and why I think
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John your hope for a shuffle is totally
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futile is that my 15 years come on cut
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me a break here but like I'm going to
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come back tomorrow
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first of all I have own shuffles my
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first I think my first two iPods were
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shuffles and I was not as big of a fan
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but I think that the big problem now and
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and one of the reasons why they could
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probably do this now and kill all the
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iPods now is I think it's easy for
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people like like us basically old
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computer nerds to overestimate how many
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people actually still maintain their own
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music collections you know these days
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streaming is so popular it is it is the
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default of what everyone does so many
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people either never built up a music
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collection or have abandoned it you know
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years ago for streaming services that I
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think the whole idea of a music player
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that you sink a collection of you know
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DRM free locally stored files that you
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- this music player and bring it with
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you somewhere I think that whole idea
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has had it today and is done and I don't
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think it's coming back that's not really
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do the form factor I said it would have
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to have cell access and have access to
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the cloud stuff that includes Apple
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music that includes Spotify well then
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that's that's that's a cellular Apple
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watch basically and and there they might
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be allegedly making right but it's not a
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watch it's not a watch and it's not
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gonna be $300 like a $50 thing then it's
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a phone you can connect all your cloud
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stuff to and your podcasts which aren't
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the same as you know you could stream
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your podcast that's fine but yourself to
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know what podcast you subscribe do
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anyway all the existing cloud stuff the
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existing cloud stuff is Apple music you
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know iTunes Match your iCloud music
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library your podcasts Spotify everything
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all those ecosystems even if it just did
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like okay like the watch does now like
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well the watch can't get there by itself
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but it can go on Wi-Fi and it can talk
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to your phone or whatever they the whole
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point is they don't want to sell
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something that's 50 bucks that you can
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listen to music and podcasts on
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regardless of how you do this they just
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they're you know you can't
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technologically do what I'm describing
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right now cuz it would cost more than 50
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bucks and the $50 thing they have now
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sucks because it's so hard to get the
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music onto it and it's so hard to use
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right so I'm just hoping they come back
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to that when technology catches up I
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hope they don't say well you got to buy
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a watch in the watch out we starts at
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$1.99 like it never goes below that
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because you know Apple and prices that
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was keep going up market I hope I hope
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they extend back down because kinda like
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the iPod accidentally ended up 50 bucks
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or whatever the shuffles bar because the
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first shuffle was $1.99 or something
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820 just so happen I think yeah like in
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a rare case of it becoming cheaper or
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cheaper to make this type of thing it
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just so happened that the price dropped
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down and people didn't care about it and
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you know it's one of those cases where
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couldn't fight against the fact that
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this thing was incredibly cheap to make
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I wonder how much the shuffle that they
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were selling for whatever they were
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selling for actually cost them to
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manufacture the margins were probably
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big but they probably sold nine months
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um but that's what's happening with all
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electronics that's why the watch is
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going to get Cellular's because
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eventually you can do that that fits in
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that form factor and in that price that
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will eventually happen for something
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like a shuffle and so I hope when that
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does happen that Apple revisits that
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especially as they expand out there it's
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like they're doing it but the phone
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diversifying the phone to make a big one
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they're small and now they're gonna make
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a big one a small and and a medium
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expensive one like this always room like
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they were said they're not gonna leave a
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it's just that Apple loves to go upwards
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like how we make it even more expensive
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Foam let's make a bigger net 100 bucks
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let's make it all glass another hundred
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bucks like that's it's totally Apple way
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to do and that's great they should do
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that they should also make a really
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expensive Mac Pro that we'll all
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potentially buy but the other direction
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like don't just accidentally land there
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revisited and you know in many years
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when you can make the shuffle that I was
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describing because I think they can sell
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a lot of those things enough that to
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make it worth their while and people
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people do like them they don't like the
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old shuffle because now is out outdated
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but if they made a new one that did all
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that stuff a lot of people about it I
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say there's mostly because I see people
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with fit bits which fitbit's would do
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almost nothing and a junkie and people
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put through the washer all the time but
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I see a ton of them so I think there is
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you know there is a there is a market
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for so cheap you don't worry about it
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wearables that do something useful yeah
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there is in general but I think there's
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a lot more of that in the fitness
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community than there is in the audio
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playback market like it you know I think
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when you're looking at just having a
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small audio player the shuffle did make
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sense for a while too as a thing that is
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in life again I will stand by the fact
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that it was never good but but it was it
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made sense to exist in cell and it was
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fine for certain uses but now you are
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you're starting from a place where by
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default you assume everyone has a phone
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and then so you're what you're saying is
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basically like or like the the case that
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a shuffle would have to make is not I
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need some of the complete music on the
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go because your phone is that thing and
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you already have that so that's
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effectively free for you like there's no
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additional cost for you to have music on
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the go you already have that with your
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phone and so now it's well if you want
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to buy something else something smaller
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that you can clip onto your body maybe
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because of certain types of workouts
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that you do like running where you don't
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want to strap a phone to you or you know
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something like that
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well then their answer is the watch then
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their answer as well if you're doing
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these things we already have something
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small that completely you can clip to
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your body it's better than anything it's
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better than any shuffle ever made
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because it you don't have to clip it to
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some part of your clothing you just
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strap on your wrist in a location that
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people are totally fine wearing things
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most of the time and it doesn't you
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don't you there's no wires you can't
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plug a wire into even if you wanted to
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so you don't have a headphone wire they
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have to route somewhere along your arm
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or strap it down or through your shirt
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anything like that you can just use
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bluetooth you don't have to work with
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the air pods right exactly and so for
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the shuffle would do that too yes but if
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you're saying like Apple should sell a
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small inexpensive wearable device that
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you can sync music to in a modern way
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that can run modern apps and modern
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streaming services and can stream things
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to bluetooth that's smaller than a phone
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they do it's called the Apple watch and
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I don't think it's ever gonna get down
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to 50 bucks I already said that like
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they could if the way they can get to
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that market is they're making a fifty
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dollar Apple watch that's fine
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but if they never want the Apple watch
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to go down to 50 bucks what I'm saying
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is there's still place when to put
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something like that if they don't
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they'll put this way if they don't do it
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in a Fitbit is still in business Fitbit
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will make this because Fitbit already
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sells you something that is small
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lightweight cheap that does less than an
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Apple watch and eventually if they can
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sell something at that price and Apple
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doesn't then Fitbit will in the same way
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that Fitbit will sell a thing that
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counts your steps it's much cheaper than
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an Apple watch and Apple thus far can't
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make an Apple watch that's cheap because
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it's too complicated right so they could
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you know I'm just saying like don't
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don't leave this market out and I'm
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saying not to do it with the watch
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because thus far Apple has made the
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watch to be not upscale like the
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addition days are behind us but they're
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still making the ceramic ones and
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they're all about fashion and fanciness
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it seems to me that there is less of an
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appetite to bring the Apple watch down
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to 50 bucks even if they can technically
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so that leaves the room for if they
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don't want to do that and if they don't
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want Fitbit to sell that thing these
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room to bring back something like the
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shuffle in the future that is
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essentially it just an Apple watch
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without a strap and maybe without a
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screen on it even if you want to make it
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super cheap I think we can all agree
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though that no one is crying for the
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iPod Nano yeah and and that was so good
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for so long but that time
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long past yeah my first Apple products
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if memory serves were the original iPod
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shuffle that looked like a stick of gum
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or pack of gum I guess I should say and
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then following that an iPod Nano the one
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that was really easy to scratch the back
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of and I think there was like a
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class-action lawsuit or something
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scratch the front not the back the front
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what's the front okay yeah right way
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either way those were my first two Apple
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products so I think I have a similar
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reaction to every one or a lot of people
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which is well that that kind of sucks
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but no actually it doesn't because who's
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really buying these anymore anyway so
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yeah and they also do we already did we
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already mention that the capacity bumped
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the iPod Touch as well which is nobody
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cares I know you know is even worse than
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I have my phone I see users now it's
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been so lucky that's why I had to leave
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it like it was just fall you know
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getting a phone cuz I was gonna get
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phone but like they you know updated in
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forever and yeah they bumped the
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capacities but left the price is the
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same but it's still overpriced like the
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problem like it's not it's not super
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expensive but for what's in it like I
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find it hard to recommend that product I
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suppose if you want to get something for
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your kid and it's still cheaper than an
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iPad right but I find it really hard to
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recommend that product at the current
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price and capabilities if they want if
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they don't want to can the iPod Touch
[TS]
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which apparently they don't want to do
[TS]
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because it could have just canned it now
[TS]
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they need to get it on they need to give
[TS]
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a slightly better upgrade cycle I mean I
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guess they're not motivated to do that
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because you know it's it's uh it's like
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the Mac Mini of the iOS line it's like
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well it's the product exists in our
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lineup and people do buy it and it fills
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a role but we're not killing ourselves
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to make a new one so it's got what it's
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got the a8 in it now like when the a12
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is out can we update the iPod touch
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again you know a capacity bump like come
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on I just if you're gonna have it may be
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updated every once in a while that's all
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I'm saying it's also interesting like
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how it fits now in the lineup you know
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first so you have the iPod touch at what
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200 bucks even is that the base yeah I
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think so then you have at 3:29 the new
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cheap iPad it seems like you're getting
[TS]
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way more exactly you get way more with
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and then at 400 you have the iPhone se
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which if you still want a small device
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that is you're getting way more for the
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iPhone se than you are with an iPod
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Touch of 200 now granted that's I've now
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doubled the price but like I feel like
[TS]
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any discussion of what the iPod Touch
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should or shouldn't have or should or
[TS]
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shouldn't be updated or how it should be
[TS]
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priced has to also then consider how it
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fits in with these other low-end
[TS]
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inexpensive iOS devices yeah I mean it
[TS]
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is kind of you know people sound like
[TS]
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all the real iPods are on the iPod Touch
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was never really an iPod it was an iPod
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a name only but now it is it's actually
[TS]
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filling the role of the iPod because why
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in the world would like so you're gonna
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get a kid you know it's get a kid so
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then I can have a phone you don't want
[TS]
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to this kid doesn't have a cell number
[TS]
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this kid is 6 years old right you want
[TS]
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to get them an iOS device you're gonna
[TS]
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get that kid that iPad right unless what
[TS]
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the kid actually wants is a music player
[TS]
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because the iPad is not a great music
[TS]
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player to carry around with you at
[TS]
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school or whatever like say the kid is
[TS]
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you know 11 or 12 and maybe just want to
[TS]
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have fun yet right parents will want to
[TS]
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pay for a cell data plan so I thought
[TS]
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any kind of iPhone is out because
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they're not paying for a cell data plan
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it's a waste to buy an iPhone and pay
[TS]
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that extra Spencer or something it's not
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gonna be a phone but a kid would still
[TS]
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rather have it an iPad to watch YouTube
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on and stuff too
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unless they want to carry it around the
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school and listen to music or whatever
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they would run with it or you know take
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it with them to camp or whatever it's a
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music player as the only the only
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advantages has is its small size
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everything else about is a disadvantage
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like because the price is too close to
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the to the cheap iPad it's really slow
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the storage capacity so it's kind of
[TS]
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weird the iPod Touch just now is now
[TS]
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actually living up to its iPod name
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because literal only reason for
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existence in any sensible thing is to
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fill the role of a non phone thing that
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you can also get access to all of your
[TS]
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you know and I suppose text messages if
[TS]
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you have Wi-Fi but it is more iPod like
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than has ever been before which is kind
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of depressing because it you know as I
[TS]
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pointed out many times was once the
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fastest iPhone iOS device you could buy
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for a brief moment in time those days
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are long gone that was John's favorite
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brief moment in time that's what I feel
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like a part of the probably a big part
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of the market for the iPod Touch in
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addition to being eaten alive by the
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low-end iPad has probably also been
[TS]
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by the increasing numbers of people who
[TS]
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just give old iPhones to kids like it's
[TS]
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I now know a bunch of parents of young
[TS]
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children in like that that had age range
[TS]
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where like they could have an iOS device
[TS]
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but you don't want to give them a good
[TS]
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one and I don't know any of them that
[TS]
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have an iPod Touch they're all using
[TS]
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their parents old iPhones it's you know
[TS]
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like iPhone 4s and stuff like that like
[TS]
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that of that age range or maybe an
[TS]
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iPhone five like they're all using those
[TS]
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and so like granted not everybody keeps
[TS]
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their all devices a lot of people trade
[TS]
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them in or sell them to help fund the
[TS]
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new ones but I've had a lot of people
[TS]
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who want it who have you know children
[TS]
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of this age range they just give them
[TS]
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what is that what they already have in a
[TS]
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drawer somewhere which is a few years
[TS]
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old iPhone okay maybe a little but I'm
[TS]
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trying to think of why didn't we do that
[TS]
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with our kids I mean from the beginning
[TS]
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was because yeah I had the old iPod
[TS]
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Touches in them but we actually did buy
[TS]
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two brand-new iPod Touches it when we
[TS]
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ran out of my old supply of iPod Touches
[TS]
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right but the kids still wanted
[TS]
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something that was better and faster you
[TS]
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know that my old iPod Touches for two
[TS]
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crappy for them which they really were
[TS]
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at that point we had the choice we could
[TS]
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have said well why don't we take you
[TS]
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know the old iPhone for us and give it
[TS]
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to one of the kids or we could just buy
[TS]
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a brand new iPod Touch and we ended up
[TS]
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buying a new iPod touch you know twice
[TS]
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we did that for a variety of business
[TS]
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you know because it was cheap because
[TS]
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it's new because the battery will be
[TS]
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fresh all the kind of reasons you know
[TS]
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that you might so it's for us when we
[TS]
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had access to both of them you know we
[TS]
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could have gone either way on it so I
[TS]
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don't think it's always a slam dunk but
[TS]
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you know it depends on it depends on how
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often you upgrade your phones if y'all
[TS]
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read your phone every year you have a
[TS]
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much greater supply of reasonable ish
[TS]
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iPhones to go through something also
[TS]
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some people might want to resell their
[TS]
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iPhones like if you do upgrade every
[TS]
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year you can get some good money for
[TS]
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reselling your iPhone and maybe that
[TS]
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makes up the cost of the iPod Touch
[TS]
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anyway I'm sure they're not selling too
[TS]
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many of these but they don't gonna break
[TS]
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that out for us but they did keep it
[TS]
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around just like the Mac Mini so I'll
[TS]
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keep our eye on it
[TS]
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iPod Touch Deathwatch begins now oh my
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goodness and speaking of death watches
[TS]
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flash is on the verge of dead like for
[TS]
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real for real pleasure this is another
[TS]
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one of those things where the correct
[TS]
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response is they were
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making flash yeah I could tell they were
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the same as it always is I always go
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down to Long Island for it's usually
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just a week this time it was almost two
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weeks because reasons and we took the
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dog with us this time we've gone on
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there with dog before but that was our
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other dog and he was much better behaved
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than this little monster well she's
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still a puppy though yeah she was much
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older dog but we survived we had pretty
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okay weather took a lot of pictures
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filled up a lot of memory cards filled
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up my wife's iMac we came back home she
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got that warning that Ohio s will give
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you that says your disc is running low
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in space which is never good worrying to
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get because Mac OS like so many UNIX is
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before it does not behave well when it
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runs out of disk space things get very
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bad very quickly so I had to come home
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and well I try to delete a bunch of
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pictures but then you got to go into
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recently deleted and delete them and you
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know I do I did as much picture deleting
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don't pictures only accumulate
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essentially you know you just keep
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taking more of them and you don't delete
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the old ones and there have been more
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worthless into leaving them than they
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have in the past not just out of focus
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or bad ones but just like you know just
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deleting everything except for the ones
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I think are decent but then I have to go
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through her computer and delete a bunch
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of other stuff too so polla just can
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menteur EXI look for alternatives I know
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there's a bunch of alternatives that
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people like people like dayz disk grande
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perspective is a discriminatory acts
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look-alike type program space gremlin is
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my favorite oh I don't know about that
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one I got checked going up it's fairly
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hideous but it's pretty functional I
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like the the tree map view of the big
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rectangle I liked disconfort inventory
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axis I'm concerned that it's not being
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maintained and it sometimes does some
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weird stuff that bothers me a little bit
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so that's why I just download a grand
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perspective but anyway if you've never
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used one of these programs or omni just
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sweeper or Daisy disk whatever whichever
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one you want when you're trying to free
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up disk space this is the way to do it
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get a program that will show you somehow
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all the stuff that's on your disk and
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find the big things and don't spend a
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year going through a million tiny files
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to fair what to delete delete like three
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big ones right and that
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so deleted a bunch of games from Steam I
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moved my iTunes backups to a different
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volume yes speaking of things you can
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safely delete with this new modern age
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I tuned zdevice backups are huge most
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people have no idea that they're even
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still keeping those if they don't use
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them anymore and they take up tons of
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disk space so that's a number one hit is
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like you've got to get rid of those
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iTunes backups also if you're a
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developer Xcode keeps around all sorts
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of support files for old simulators and
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old devices that you probably don't use
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the Xcode developer directory is always
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a great source of clearing out stuff
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yeah I still keep the iTunes device
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backups just because it's is still even
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with the crappiness of iTunes slightly
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the fastest and most convenient way to
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restore like a kids a device that got
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totally hosed so I keep them around I
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didn't want to leave them all I didn't
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need to obviously all the old ones that
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for device that I'm using abroad just
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move them to a different volume that
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isn't backed up they don't like if I
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lose them oh well these are all the
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devices are all backed up the iCloud
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right so I just have local iTunes
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backups you know it's just convenient
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encrypted backups I have all the
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passwords though I think they added that
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to the iCloud backups - now didn't they
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anyway more backups is good so I didn't
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want to delete them I just moved them
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what else did I delete well the trick
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now is so if you want the password
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doesn't have to be saved they're still
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excluded from from iCloud backups but
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iCloud keychain now exists so the
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official the official word of like how
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you're supposed to do this is to use
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iCloud keychain also in addition to
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iCloud backups and then you will have
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those things work so that saves a lot of
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spend up freeing up like 130 gigs or
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something which gave me a little bit
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more breathing room but it's that you
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look at the disk inventory acts like
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giant rectangle picture and it's just a
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huge rectangle that is my photo library
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and there's a little skinny row with a
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bunch of tiny little things that is
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everything else on the system and what
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can you do like I got the biggest you
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know it's a one terabyte drive and her
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iMac and that's the time we moved you
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know we moved the photos from an
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external drive to an internal one it's
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so much more convenient and fast
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obviously to have everything in one
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volume before I have this even more
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complicated backup scheme where I had
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you know her internal drive on her old
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computer but then also my external
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and then you had to do like it just
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doubles the amount of backup headaches
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that you have to do and I like having it
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all one but at this point you know when
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we replaced this iMac I'm gonna get her
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one with a two terabyte disk or gonna
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move the iPhoto library to my Mac Pro
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with the 4 terabyte internal SSD where
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the hell are going to get in my fantasy
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world that's actually that's that's a
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non not crazy way to do it like one of
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the little hacks I've recently decided
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to try was I have you know my iMac and
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then a laptop and they have one terabyte
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each cuz that was like the most fecund
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iMac at the time and so I got that but I
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I'm pushing that so like on the iMac a
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couple of years ago now I bought a
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little external Samsung SSD too and I
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moved over it's very very easy to have
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iTunes and Apple photos store their
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giant libraries anywhere else like on an
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external driver and it's very easy to do
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that you'd like you don't have to do any
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kind of weird symlink trick or anything
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you can just tell it I'm now moving this
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here and and it just works and both for
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both photos and iTunes and so and
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because there's such big things for most
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people does you know that's like number
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one hit rate to move but one thing I
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started doing now with photos is I
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signed it so I have this Mac Mini server
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at home it's like a little home utility
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server among other things that usually
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runs the live stream for this show it
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also hosts a giant ice cozy volume on
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mine ass and this is I would not
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honestly recommend doing ice Guzzi it's
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too much of a pain if I were starting
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fresh today I wouldn't do it but what I
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would do is just plug in a couple of
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giant external hard drives to that Mac
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Mini which would serve the same function
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so anyway so I have this Mac Mini that
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thinks it has a whole bunch of locally
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attached storage so one thing I've
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started doing now is I signed in to
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photos app on that Mac Mini and I'm
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having it keep a local copy of a hundred
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percent quality of everything so now I
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can safely if I want to I'm not sure if
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I will but if I want to now I can I can
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have future computers not keep my entire
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photo library on them and therefore
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maybe I don't need to buy the giant
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expensive 2 terabyte or future 4
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terabyte options you know
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now maybe I could get quote only the one
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or two terabyte SSDs built-in so that
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now because I have this other of Mac
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press other Mac Mini in my house that is
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keeping a full resolution copy of
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everything locally and you know the
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third option is you could just trust
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cloud backup I don't like that option so
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I still have this thing locally I still
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have everything locally like it in my
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house but it's hard to you know because
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once as you said John like once you add
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photos to your life
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you're basically gonna keep paying for
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that storage forever like you know every
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computer you buy you're gonna have to
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get the bigger and bigger disk each time
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and you're gonna have to keep paying
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that giant has--is D tax over and over
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and over again every time you buy a
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computer so one way to solve it is see
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if there's some kind of clever way you
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can use other or different or cheaper
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hard drive space in your house and so
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for me having the Mac Mini signed into
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Photos app and having having that down
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all the originals then frees up the
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other computers to have it do the
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optimized storage thing and so yeah that
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that's one option this could be crazy I
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don't know but it seemed reasonable when
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I set it up no I mean I did the same
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thing I have another Mac that signed
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Emily one terabyte disk you know thing
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is I just don't like in the same way
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that raid is not a backup solution I
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don't consider that a backup like it's
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good to have it but I would never turn
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on up to my storage on my iMac because I
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need one canonical location that I want
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that backed up the old-fashioned way you
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know three times the time machine to two
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separate disks cloud backup and also
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super-duper clone like the photos are
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the most important thing that I backups
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so I bought them in more places not
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fewer so I never I'm never gonna uncheck
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I'm never gonna check that off to my
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storage box even though like I did this
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that's what I did in vacation I took a
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laptop with me on vacation with the one
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terabyte drive right and so I'm taking
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the pictures signed into the same
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account my wife's account like I made on
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this laptop and I'm doing all the
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pictures there and doing all the edits
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and everything and deleting and
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favoriting and doing all this stuff and
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then I come back home and the whole time
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I'm leaving my laptop open all night
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long I like to upload you know the
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iCloud photo stuff right and then I come
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home and look at her iMac and there all
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the pictures all the edits that I did on
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vacation are basically there except for
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a few stragglers and then I leave both
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computers like on and connected to Wi-Fi
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for a couple you know for like eight
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hours to make sure okay guys we're all
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in Sigma P said this
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point my photos are only on the laptop
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like I've had to overwrite I brought two
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SD cards with me but I had to overwrite
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one of them right so I don't even have
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the SD cards as the backup photos are
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only on the laptop and the laptop is
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pushing out to the cloud and then I want
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them to be pulled down from the cloud
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onto what's supposed to be by a
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canonical computer which is the iMac
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normally after I'm a hundred percent
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sure that no one is doing me syncing and
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everyone is all in the same page and
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everyone's got all the original quality
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images on two computers and they're
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backed up a hundred times only then can
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I turn on up to my storage on the the
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laptop or more likely I'm just going to
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you know delete that account on the
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laptop whatever because there's a
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temporary thing but I'm really like the
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thing with Mac Mini I would love to have
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a solution like that if I had the disk
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space and another Mac to throw at it
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but in general I don't I want my backup
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my backups to use different software
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than the regular functioning of stuff I
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think for a while I also had it on my
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Mac on my Mac Pro the same thing without
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in my storage on but not to my storage
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is to to blunt of an instrument like I
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wanted to I want some control over the
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optimized storage I don't want to be
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like will almost feel you're just giving
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back off I would love to say optimized
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storage and never get bigger than X size
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right or so I don't know something to
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let me have more control or like keep
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the originals for the last X months or
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years yeah for that you can start our
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coven you know stuff like that but also
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to clarify by the way that Mac Mini that
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hosts this full size library that
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everything it has is also back up to
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Backblaze yeah so there were always
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people in chat asking so I figured let
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me save myself a week of email just say
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that's also backed up too late
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yeah that's why it's I scuzzy speakers
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at that place doesn't do network discs
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so you need you know direct attached
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storage that's exactly it
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yeah and I have a feeling I don't think
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photos dot app would appreciate being on
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a network disk either anyway yeah if I
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were starting over honestly if I were
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starting over today with like large
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stories like this I would not get an ass
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I would just get I would just have like
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have another Mac somewhere or another
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computer somewhere in your house that's
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you know small speck inexpensive and
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just plug in a few large external hard
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drives and call it a day
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because and and then because then you
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can have things like Backblaze backing
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I have found that I don't you know
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unlike Casey like Casey you you use
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crazy cool features of the Nast like
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with its built-in apps I use none of
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them in practice like i the the Nass to
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me is just a giant external hard drive
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box you don't even use Plex on it no I I
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use Plex on that Mac Mini actually yeah
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that's the same setup I have on my iMac
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so I don't use Plex on the device but I
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mean I don't really do that much with
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the Synology although I didn't want to
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interrupt John earlier but I was
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surprised that you don't have the
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Synology hosting a VPN for you so you
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can like easily get to any device on
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your network and force all of those
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things to be uploaded you know yes
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analogy is not accessible to the
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Internet because it just it's a peace of
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mind thing like Synology and
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network-attached start like you can't
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reach I can't reach it no one can reach
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it from the internet I feel better that
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way I don't have any access to my home
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network from outside like I have
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anything like you know any kind of like
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dynamic DNS thing or any kind of like
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forwarded screen sharing or VNC I have
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no access to my home network anything I
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want to do that I don't want to access
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when I'm out on the go I have to either
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access it through sync services like
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Dropbox or if I really need something I
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can pull a file off a back plays but
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that's it all right is that good enough
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after sure what was I gonna say one more
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thing about my setup that I was gonna
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say so John I guess your vacation how'd
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your vacation go here's all the stories
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of a disk space my folks
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I mean you know my vacation is like it's
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for the kids and everyone to go to the
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beach and hang out and you know me
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taking care of the dog this time is a
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little bit of added hassle and stress
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and lots of waking up early but I take a
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lot of pictures like it you know I just
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well I brought both cameras cuz you
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gotta have a backups but I just used my
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new Sony camera didn't even use my super
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zoom at all super zoom was just there in
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case I dropped the Sony in the ocean I
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successfully did not drop it in the
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ocean once again I brought a new zoom
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lens for it which is longer zoom but a
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crappier lens but it was cheap then I
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used last time and it was alright I used
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most of the lenses I brought with me
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it's a lot took lots of pictures got
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some good ones but that's a lot of my
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beautification series I take a lot of
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pictures and then I edit them and mess
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with them and post a couple Instagram
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in general I don't post pictures of like
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pictures of my relatives who don't want
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to be featured on my Instagram and
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really don't post most pictures of my
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family alone now that my kids are older
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I post a few pictures of them here and
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there but yeah this is my the heaviest
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photography time of the year most if you
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look at when the most pictures taken by
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far it's these one or two weeks that I'm
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long I will come home from the ocean one
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day and I'll have 1600 pictures
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obviously I'm not keeping all posts I'm
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deleting a lot of them but that's what
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it looks like secret to good photography
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as far as I've been able to determine so
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far take a huge number of pictures and
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then delete most of them yeah the secret
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to give a target for you is lots of bad
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photography yeah so I'm definitely doing
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that what else that lens wise yeah I
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still don't have a really good zoom that
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I like because good zooms are really
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expensive and really heavy and it's like
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I'm just resigned to the fact that I
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will you know the smaller and you know
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my my 50 millimeter prime is still my
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favorite lens but that's not gonna cut
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it at the ocean and so as you as I get
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more flexible the image quality goes
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down and the size and weight go up and
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I've mostly accepted that but I'm still
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it's a pretty happy with my camera got a
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lot of good shots out of it and like I
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said didn't drop it in the ocean so
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that's key yeah I mean they're basically
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there is no good zoom like there every
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zoom is is a giant compromise and at
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least one factor either you're
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compromising image quality severely in
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order to get something reasonably sized
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and reasonably inexpensive or you are
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having really great image quality but
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then the thing is massive and probably a
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pretty small zoom range and probably
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very expensive like it's you can't there
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it's just impossible to make a great
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zoom lens that has a large range and is
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reasonably priced and it's reasonably
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small you just can't do it well in one
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brief dog story so I've been training uh
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to come one called like on you know in
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in adverse conditions when you really
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want it to happen like for example when
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all the other dogs in the Dog Fart run
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to the mud puddle and get covered head
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to toe in you know muddy water right and
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literally changes the colour of the dog
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and you don't want your or do that
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that's the time when you want to and
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every dog wants to go to the nub bottle
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they all start hitting there and all the
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orders like no that's when you need the
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come one called thing to actually work
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I call my dad today I used that was it
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today today yesterday exactly that
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happened you know I told her to come she
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came I was exciting right
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but I found limits to that on vacation
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because she was out in the backyard and
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we let her loose for a little bit and
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she's wandering around usually where she
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does the Sun rabbit turds and eat them
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because they're delicious
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well this time okay but this time she
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found a dead bird and I didn't know what
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she had found I started getting into
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something and I called her to come over
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and she comes running towards me she
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gets about three inches from my hand or
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I'm about to like grab her collar and I
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see the wing of the dead birds think I'm
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a small bird this is a pretty
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significant bird that's in her mouth
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that's like you know and she gets close
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to me and she sees that I'm gonna reach
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for the collar and she's like I'm out
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turns the other direction runs away as
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fast as she can I run after his front
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yard like I run after her I eventually
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catch up with her she as far as I can
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tell swallowed that bird whole like just
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you know dig the thing out of her mouth
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like so many things that I dig out of my
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dog's mouth that I don't want her to
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have she just you know like full like
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Python lizard just slurp down like whole
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dead bird beak feathers everything
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that's dogs for you so she will come
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when called when all the other dogs are
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running to the mud puddle but she gets
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dead bird just like I have made the
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mental calculation and whatever treat
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you're going to give me for coming when
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called does not match this dead bird so
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