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0:00:00you know it's the summertime it is time

0:00:02for vacations for a lot of people

0:00:04especially August especially August yeah

0:00:06August is like I think the top vacation

0:00:08month according to the zero research I

0:00:10did before the show about that but but

0:00:13you know there are some vacations a

0:00:14vacation I feel like is a relative term

0:00:17it's a thing that you can do but the

0:00:20things that people choose to do whether

0:00:23they consider that a vacation or not it

0:00:25seems to vary person by person you know

0:00:27but even that sometimes you go on

0:00:29vacation and when you get home you feel

0:00:31like you need a vacation from your

0:00:32vacation yeah exactly like some

0:00:35vacations are just exhausting and some

0:00:38of them are really actually not very fun

0:00:40or not very relaxing you know that very

0:00:42naked lady song never is enough yeah

0:00:47never wanna do that stuff well hearing a

0:00:51lot of our friends and family and loved

0:00:54ones talk about their vacations just

0:00:56sometimes make us say yeah I'm never

0:01:00doing that is plenty of doing that for

0:01:02me and I'm super happy that they enjoyed

0:01:06their vacations as you should but we

0:01:10would like to make a list of our top for

0:01:12vacation nightmares or nightmare

0:01:15vacations I guess

0:01:16or nightmare vacations and some of mine

0:01:18too are things that I actually have done

0:01:20yeah I mean fact I've done most of these

0:01:24and I don't want to do them again

0:01:25exactly

0:01:28yeah because you know it's for me like a

0:01:30vacation for me is I mean something like

0:01:33everybody wants different things out of

0:01:35their vacation some people want to do as

0:01:37little as possible some people want to

0:01:39travel as much as possible and and

0:01:41sightsee when they travel and and or do

0:01:44things like have big adventures when

0:01:47they travel stuff like that and for and

0:01:49you know for other people the the ideal

0:01:51vacation is just like just staying in

0:01:54their house doing as little as possible

0:01:55doing nothing some people want to want

0:01:58to or need to bring their kids or their

0:02:00pets and some people that's the last

0:02:02thing they want to do and and so there's

0:02:04a huge variety of like what people

0:02:06actually want out of a vacation so

0:02:09anyway so this is this is not to insult

0:02:12anyone elses

0:02:13vacation preferences this is gonna be

0:02:15just like the things that we really are

0:02:18not interested in doing do you think at

0:02:19this point people are really insulted by

0:02:21our opinions I guess we probably lost

0:02:23them a long time ago yeah I think the

0:02:25people that get easily insulted have has

0:02:27switched us off probably so anyway so

0:02:31for those of you who are left and not

0:02:32yet insulted prepare to be insulted so

0:02:35here you go we're gonna we're gonna

0:02:36trash everything you like to do oh sorry

0:02:39not sorry we don't want to do it it's

0:02:42our idea of vacation it's not ideal

0:02:46vacations in general because we did not

0:02:49take all vacations like we ate all the

0:02:51ice cream and just tried them out and

0:02:53report it back to you this one why the

0:02:55complete rejection oh we should have

0:02:58done that that would have been the real

0:02:59way to do it so sorry everybody we have

0:03:01we made a huge mistake we should have

0:03:04just taken all of the money that we make

0:03:06from the podcasts and run around and

0:03:08take in all of these vacations yeah just

0:03:10take it just take a bunch of vacations

0:03:12for a whole year and then review the

0:03:14vacations that we take that could be our

0:03:16next podcast actually mark joint if on

0:03:18vacation complain about everywhere we

0:03:25are we would be the worst travel show

0:03:27yeah we'd be like this is boring or

0:03:30weird or I'm tired or I'm hot Oh God

0:03:33that would be everything everywhere we

0:03:34went we would be so dull anyway let's

0:03:37talk about where we would be dull all

0:03:39right my number four are you ready I am

0:03:42ready let's do it alright so in the

0:03:44spirit of top four okay it's a little

0:03:48convoluted here but I have anything

0:03:51skiing cold weather or an ice hotel what

0:03:55is an ice hotel an ice hotel is exactly

0:03:58what it sounds like it's an entire Hotel

0:04:00made of ice that exists like not in

0:04:03movies like I know like you can go stay

0:04:05in nice hotels that sounds like the

0:04:07worst that does some pretty bad like you

0:04:09literally sleep on ice bed in like skins

0:04:12of animals that sounds that way it's

0:04:14p.m. people pay to do this yes they

0:04:16totally pay you this and go to the ice

0:04:18bar and like say in the Ice Hotel benya

0:04:21Lane I I like like a chilled environment

0:04:24like I I appreciate you know there's

0:04:26like two kills

0:04:27the signs freezer-burn like you all will

0:04:29be getting freezer burn if you lie on

0:04:33the floor for too long you get like like

0:04:35frostbite the quints yeah I don't know

0:04:38okay so I seen it like on Travel

0:04:39Channel's and stuff and like Rando

0:04:42internet things like 12 vacations you

0:04:44would don't believe but so easy man I'm

0:04:48like nope I never I never want to do

0:04:50that that's something I never cared to

0:04:52see yeah yeah that sounds awful I mean

0:04:54like I just see even like getting there

0:04:57to see it sounds cold like it sounds

0:05:00like too much to even see it I think

0:05:02seeing it on the TV is just plenty cuz

0:05:05you probably can't have a nice hotel in

0:05:07any remotely warm climate so you have to

0:05:11have to already be in a very cold

0:05:12location they might have one in Dubai

0:05:14well yeah that's everything you do by

0:05:17anyway I also made my list I put those

0:05:20with skiing because I used to really

0:05:22like skiing and I did it with my dad but

0:05:24now I feel like I'm too old and scared

0:05:27to do skiing well like I feel like I

0:05:29just might wet my legs start wobbling

0:05:32yeah as soon as I think about skiing

0:05:34it's exhausting yeah like I did I did go

0:05:37on a ski vacation

0:05:39as part of a bachelor party for my best

0:05:42friend for you know for his before his

0:05:45wedding right that's one of them yeah

0:05:46yeah yeah and and and we went skiing a

0:05:49couple years ago and it was it was in a

0:05:51great location near Seattle and I hadn't

0:05:53been skiing since high school and so I

0:05:56hadn't skied for whatever it was like 10

0:05:5815 years and dangerous it sounds

0:06:03terrifying and the good thing is I

0:06:05remembered how to do it like I did I

0:06:07hadn't lost the skill but as soon like I

0:06:10went down the slopes a few times and I

0:06:13was like oh my god like my knees are

0:06:14starting to get tired and I'm starting

0:06:16to get less stable now and I know like

0:06:18when I was 17 doing this I was probably

0:06:22still mostly made of rubber so that

0:06:24wouldn't really matter if I hurt myself

0:06:25but when I was like 33 or 34 doing it

0:06:28like I would have seriously injured

0:06:30myself and had a much worse longer

0:06:33recovery time if I would have you know

0:06:34fallen in some weird way I messed up my

0:06:35legs but the thing about skiing really

0:06:37is that it needs to have the absolute

0:06:40perfect

0:06:41conditions for it to be fun at all and

0:06:43you need to be in excellent physical

0:06:45condition and practiced at skiing and

0:06:48even if you're hanging out at the lodge

0:06:50it's really not that fun because on like

0:06:53peak ski seasons it's so crowded and

0:06:55it's noisier than it needs to be and you

0:06:58have to wear like weird fitting clothes

0:06:59and wear those stoppi boots and like hey

0:07:02there's just there's so many things

0:07:04there's just so many things and no it's

0:07:07just no so anyway I just don't want to

0:07:10pack for winter vacations it just sounds

0:07:13so bulky and packing for that it's just

0:07:16exhausting I don't want to be on

0:07:18anything treacherous outside like an

0:07:20Everest vacation where there's there's

0:07:22terrifying bridges or ledges or anywhere

0:07:25that I might die like I don't want to

0:07:28encounter any of that winter cold

0:07:31vacation tastic stuff so yeah I mean no

0:07:36thanks I think part of the reasons like

0:07:37we live in New York where we have

0:07:40winters with snow and everything it's

0:07:42like and even though it's not the same

0:07:43as like you know going up a huge

0:07:46mountain with like that kind of snow

0:07:47it's we still have enough snow in enough

0:07:50winters that the last thing we want to

0:07:52do is pay and spend vacation time to go

0:07:57somewhere to experience more winter yeah

0:08:00cuz I couldn't I couldn't even think of

0:08:02a season that I would want to go to

0:08:04winter so in winter I don't want to go

0:08:07to more winter when it's finally spring

0:08:09I'm like thank God spring like you don't

0:08:11want to go to winter when it's

0:08:12summertime it's summertime why waste the

0:08:14summer going back to winter and then

0:08:16when the fall it's almost winter so why

0:08:18[Laughter]

0:08:25that's yeah you're right that's totally

0:08:28amazing yeah it's like IIIi agree like

0:08:31there-there is no time of year where I

0:08:33we're like experiencing more winter like

0:08:36things would be considered refreshing

0:08:38like even now in August when we had were

0:08:41having some really hot days and hanging

0:08:44out in uh near conditioned places a lot

0:08:46of the time and and so we really should

0:08:48like if there was a time that we would

0:08:50want to do that it's probably now and we

0:08:52don't want it like it sounds uh so

0:08:53because I don't want

0:08:55think about putting on more clothes and

0:08:56when you go to the winter you have to

0:08:58put more clothes on so like I don't want

0:09:00to think about bundling up when I'm at

0:09:02my hot like feeling the hottest in the

0:09:04weather anyway so yeah

0:09:06number four never is enough winter so my

0:09:11number four I kind of went in the

0:09:13opposite direction and this is this is

0:09:16one of my only ones that's that's a very

0:09:18specific place and that is Phoenix

0:09:21Arizona and but with all due apologies

0:09:24to the great residents of Phoenix I'm

0:09:27not talking about you here this is very

0:09:30specific yes I'm very curious so the

0:09:33reason was so I I have been to Phoenix

0:09:35Arizona for a number of different things

0:09:38over the years most most notably my

0:09:41grandparents used to live there but now

0:09:43they don't so I don't really have any

0:09:45reason to go back there for any kind of

0:09:47like strong family connection or

0:09:48anything

0:09:49it would just be if I went back there it

0:09:51would be for some other random reason

0:09:52and Phoenix Arizona is a place where for

0:09:58most of the year it is oppressively hot

0:10:01you know so it is so hot and so sunny

0:10:04and so dry because they decided to build

0:10:07a city in the middle of a desert for

0:10:08some reason that they're you you

0:10:11basically can't go outside like it one

0:10:14of the reasons why I get kind of

0:10:15depressed and unhappy in winter is

0:10:18because I feel like the outside

0:10:21conditions are so hostile that I can't

0:10:23really go outside and enjoy myself I

0:10:24can't go like take a big dog lock or or

0:10:27just like walk around outside or do

0:10:29things outside because it's so

0:10:30impressively cold and crappy in the

0:10:32winter Phoenix has that problem in the

0:10:34opposite direction on the heat side like

0:10:36Phoenix is so hot that you basically end

0:10:39up spending all of your time indoors in

0:10:41air conditioning anyway so you can't

0:10:43you're still not going outside and able

0:10:45to really do much outside except for

0:10:47during you know very limited times of

0:10:49the year and limited times of the day

0:10:50but that could be like it that could be

0:10:52a lot of different hot places why

0:10:53Phoenix specifically because Phoenix

0:10:56does not offer me any reason why I want

0:10:58to endure that heat so like one of the

0:11:00reasons like so reason is they didn't

0:11:04give me a good enough reason yeah

0:11:06basically so like like what I want

0:11:08travel somewhere one of the things I'd

0:11:09like to do as you know one of the things

0:11:11that that we enjoy doing is getting a

0:11:14hotel room that has a decent view the

0:11:16kind of view I usually like to get is

0:11:18usually of water or at least a very high

0:11:22up view and one thing Phoenix does not

0:11:25have a lot of is high up hotel buildings

0:11:28and water so there's not a lot there to

0:11:31attract me there now that my family

0:11:33doesn't live there anymore it's also

0:11:34full of not only the the very hostile

0:11:39natural environment of Phoenix but also

0:11:41the wildlife in the in the Phoenix area

0:11:44is scary as hell like they have this the

0:11:48like you know scorpions and coyotes and

0:11:51super coyotes and mega coyotes and ultra

0:11:54coyotes everything that will try to eat

0:11:56you and kill you not to mention the gun

0:11:58people like there's I find the people in

0:12:01Phoenix to be not you do you listener

0:12:03and yeah you're gonna piss off people

0:12:05well you dear listener in Phoenix we're

0:12:07not this are not these people you're

0:12:09probably not the majority unfortunately

0:12:11the other people in Phoenix who are not

0:12:13listening to the show I find generally

0:12:16off-putting too scary and and there you

0:12:19know there's a big like you know

0:12:20conservative gun racists you know

0:12:22undertone of a lot of people there it's

0:12:24interesting very specific here I know

0:12:27something happened to you in Phoenix

0:12:28that you need to talk about no it's just

0:12:30to read to have a moment to get the

0:12:32culture there I feel like it is not a

0:12:33good fit for me either in addition to

0:12:35the climate being a very bad fit for me

0:12:36and then finally is the law of hot

0:12:39places the law of hot places is

0:12:42basically my rule that says that places

0:12:45with really hot letter tend to have

0:12:47really crappy coffee and Phoenix it's

0:12:50true Phoenix is the place where I came

0:12:52up with the law of hot places it is the

0:12:53place that inspired it's the birthplace

0:12:55of the law of hot places they should

0:12:57have a plaque actually at the Phoenix

0:12:59Airport

0:12:59yeah the airport the same Sky Harbor

0:13:00because there's no water anywhere nearby

0:13:02yes

0:13:03everyone wants to be port city it's fine

0:13:06everyone's jealous

0:13:07I respect the the level of denial

0:13:09they've achieved in that Airport with

0:13:11all like the nautical themes it's bad

0:13:14anyway so yeah like the law of hot

0:13:17places basically is you know places with

0:13:20very hot weather tend not to have a lot

0:13:23people seeking out hot coffee and you

0:13:26know most of the caffeine serving these

0:13:27places tends to be iced coffee or you

0:13:30know other like variations like

0:13:31Frappuccino kind of blended drink stuff

0:13:33like that and so ice coffee you're

0:13:36loading up with milk and sugar anyway

0:13:37like even people like me who enjoy black

0:13:39coffee

0:13:40you met most of us I would have eight I

0:13:42would wager will add some kind of

0:13:45sweetener or milk or something to iced

0:13:47coffee so the hot places tend not to

0:13:49have very good coffee because nobody

0:13:50ever really wants it like that there

0:13:52aren't a lot of like hot black coffee

0:13:53drinkers there and and those of us who

0:13:56are there have basically had to deal

0:13:58with whatever options we have and

0:14:00there's not very many of them so there's

0:14:02not really any incentive for them to

0:14:04have a great coffee and they usually

0:14:05don't so combine the relatively poor

0:14:09coffee options along with the miserably

0:14:12hot weather the the oppressive outdoor

0:14:15conditions the ultra maker coyotes and

0:14:17the gun people and I just don't want to

0:14:19go there anymore well there we go

0:14:22wow you feel really strongly about

0:14:24Phoenix sorry Phoenix people yeah I I

0:14:29know some very nice people from Phoenix

0:14:31unfortunately there's a lot more crazy

0:14:34woman sorry okay number three for me is

0:14:39at I know you're usually the one I'm

0:14:45getting my dues in here of screwing up

0:14:47the top forage of these things alright

0:14:52so my number three is a tie between a

0:14:54cruise anywhere and Branson Missouri

0:15:00okay let's I think we need to discuss

0:15:03these individually oh alright where

0:15:08would you like me to start we start with

0:15:09the cruise or bracelets were on specific

0:15:12places let's start with Branson Missouri

0:15:13I don't even know where that is what

0:15:14Missouri okay that's and it's quite

0:15:17brand I barely know where that is but

0:15:19it's this date I mean I in arc I know

0:15:21it's kind of in the middle and I mmm

0:15:25okay my Adam has a little like foam map

0:15:29and I'm trying to picture it and you

0:15:31stick on the wall and the big question

0:15:33is if you were faced with with I can

0:15:35find it well if you were face to the

0:15:37of the US with no lines in it I just

0:15:39know if a sign said Branson Missouri I

0:15:41wouldn't want to go there waiting the

0:15:43signs if you had a map but no with no

0:15:45state lines drawn it was just blank in

0:15:47the middle could you like pinpoint with

0:15:50a pencil like this is in Missouri like

0:15:52any point in there and we do you think

0:15:54you'd be right I'm guessing I have I

0:15:57think I might have the wrong hemisphere

0:15:59of the country honestly in my mind but

0:16:01it doesn't matter I'm not getting on a

0:16:03plane to Branson Missouri I am NOT

0:16:04driving to Branson Missouri I'm not

0:16:06doing it like it's not happening sorry

0:16:09Branson people it's not about the people

0:16:11it's not about the weather well maybe a

0:16:13little bit about the weather but it's

0:16:15really not because I can get over that

0:16:16kind of stuff it's about your content I

0:16:19have a problem with your content you're

0:16:21gonna have to explain this all right so

0:16:23Branson Missouri is kind of like a huge

0:16:25mega vacation spot for a whole bunch of

0:16:30theater and country music and Dolly

0:16:34Parton stuff whoo I really like Dolly

0:16:36Parton but all of that kind of Missouri

0:16:41country music yeah I don't mean to like

0:16:45crap on country music I really don't

0:16:47losing all the friends oh my gosh I know

0:16:49I'm so sorry

0:16:50no and and now I just sounded like such

0:16:52a lady saying crap on country music oh

0:16:55and I've got a choice

0:16:56all right I don't mean to put down

0:16:58country music it's fine but a location

0:17:00for vacation that is so centralized and

0:17:05so saturated with country music sounds

0:17:07like one of the least fun places for me

0:17:09to go so that's why I have it it's just

0:17:13it's a lot of stuff I hear it's very

0:17:15crowded I hear the weather isn't that

0:17:18fantastic and it's almost like you know

0:17:22it's just like a big theater party of

0:17:25country music and I don't want to go

0:17:29there all right so that's it's a tie for

0:17:33cruises wait so I'm home before we leave

0:17:35Branson Missouri have you even like

0:17:37you've never mentioned before how'd you

0:17:38even hear about this place we've never

0:17:40gone anywhere near Missouri you we've

0:17:42you've never as far as I know research

0:17:44to country music destinations how'd you

0:17:46even hear about it well I used to be a

0:17:48theatre kid so Branson

0:17:50Missouri is like a big place to work or

0:17:53have jobs or that people have you know

0:17:55have worked there and it's it's kind of

0:17:58like a mecca of this kind of thing and

0:18:01if you are at all interested in that

0:18:05like going to theater going to shows

0:18:08going to concerts that all happens in

0:18:12Branson it's almost it's like a it's

0:18:14almost like a Disney World for country

0:18:16music and different types of theater

0:18:18it's just it's a very busy and dense

0:18:20area for that more than any other city

0:18:24if you think of like okay like New York

0:18:25has Broadway but Broadway is so spread

0:18:28out Branson Missouri is its own like

0:18:30special little dome of coach of that

0:18:34kind of culture and I don't want to go

0:18:38there you made fun of me for Phoenix and

0:18:40that's like wow but it but Branson is

0:18:43like a destination like it's a big big

0:18:46destination and I just would never want

0:18:50to go so if anyone's like oh I'm taking

0:18:52a trip to Branson you want to come I'd

0:18:53be like even if you're my favorite

0:18:55person in the whole world no I don't

0:18:57want to go so never is enough Branson

0:19:00Missouri tie for number three because I

0:19:03couldn't I just couldn't not say

0:19:04anything about Branson because it was

0:19:05just it's such it's it's such a dense

0:19:08area and it's so prominent and it's it's

0:19:12so well known by almost everybody except

0:19:15for Marco anyway cruises never is enough

0:19:19except we did do one cruise and we were

0:19:22totally seasick the whole time and we

0:19:24kept taking Dramamine which we thought

0:19:26was drought non-drowsy Dramamine and we

0:19:28kept falling asleep at dinner

0:19:29the food isn't that great you're kind of

0:19:31trapped on a boat you are forced to have

0:19:33fun in ways that you don't want to have

0:19:34fun you feel like you're getting nowhere

0:19:36because you aren't really getting

0:19:38anywhere if there's bad weather you the

0:19:41boats rocky and it's terrible even we

0:19:43stayed in like a really good room and it

0:19:45was still the room was high up with a

0:19:48view of water it that that part was very

0:19:49nice but it would not make that alone

0:19:53does not make me want to get on a cruise

0:19:54again you don't have enough time in the

0:19:56port cities to really do much when you

0:19:59do stop it the even just walking past

0:20:02some of the interior

0:20:04cabin rooms made me nauseous because

0:20:06they have no windows in little beds and

0:20:08I'm like I don't know how anyone could

0:20:09stay in there I would get sick instantly

0:20:12and just all the things that were

0:20:14happening on the cruise were things that

0:20:16we never would want to even do we

0:20:18couldn't find anything to do on the boat

0:20:20that we like to do because we didn't

0:20:21want to do any of it like we don't want

0:20:23to eat half the food because it was all

0:20:25like fatty random super indulgent stuff

0:20:29that doesn't make you feel good

0:20:30especially when you're seasick half the

0:20:31time and we didn't want to go in the

0:20:33pool because almost all the other places

0:20:36were crowded we didn't want to drink

0:20:37because we were already nauseous like

0:20:39there was just so much happening on a

0:20:42cruise that we didn't want to do so I

0:20:46would never again do a cruise to

0:20:49anywhere so yeah see I feel like I feel

0:20:52like there there would be I'm sure there

0:20:55are cruises out there that we would

0:20:56enjoy more we just didn't find the right

0:20:59one and it doesn't seem like it's worth

0:21:01trying a bunch of them to find the right

0:21:03one okay so let me let me pitch it to

0:21:05you this way any kind of themed cruise I

0:21:07don't want to be forced into a theme on

0:21:10my vacation stuck on a boat with a whole

0:21:12bunch of people who are super excited

0:21:13about the theme number two an untamed

0:21:16Cruise what's happening on this cruise

0:21:19why are we even on this boat why can't I

0:21:21just be in a hotel somewhere that I can

0:21:23escape from if I wanted to and so there

0:21:26we go and I see this thing yeah like

0:21:28that for me like the I suppose the once

0:21:31we discovered Vegas which we thought we

0:21:33would hate and and we ended up you know

0:21:35finding a way that we like cruise but

0:21:38you don't move right oh it's better

0:21:40right like once we discovered that I I

0:21:42realized that most of the advantages

0:21:44that we liked about cruise is like you

0:21:46know you everything's kind of right

0:21:48there it's ah it's kind of all on

0:21:49property you don't really need to leave

0:21:52you know the cruise or the Vegas to like

0:21:56find good restaurants and stuff that you

0:21:58want to do it but I gotta say Vegas and

0:22:00cruises

0:22:01I don't mind kitschy I really don't rush

0:22:04sometimes kitschy is fun but I want to

0:22:06be able to control the amount of Kitsch

0:22:08that is entering my periphery I I do and

0:22:12I feel like when we go to Vegas we stay

0:22:14at a place that we can kind of control

0:22:16the amount of kitsch

0:22:17kind of get away from it we have times

0:22:19that we're outside like it's just it's

0:22:22it's a low-level hum of kitsch the

0:22:24entire time it's not the shouting of

0:22:27kitsch so yeah it's just I just feel

0:22:31like cruises are just too much and I

0:22:32think at one point I'll just be like I

0:22:35might jump off the boat I don't know I

0:22:37don't know I don't want to put myself in

0:22:38that position where I feel like I want

0:22:40to jump the boat yeah I feel like part

0:22:43of our problem was that we really did

0:22:44not react well to the you know really

0:22:46rough water that we had and like when

0:22:48you're on a cruise like you're you're at

0:22:49the mercy of the water conditions for a

0:22:51lot of your enjoyment like if if you're

0:22:53having or if you're having rough seas

0:22:55you're just kind of out of luck like

0:22:57you're just gonna have to deal with that

0:22:58and even the fact that that is a tiny

0:23:01factor at all I what I know I know I'm

0:23:05just saying it is like if someone's

0:23:06considering it a tiny factor out there

0:23:09at all it being a tiny factor that the

0:23:11place where I am sleeping and staying

0:23:13and living for the amount of time that I

0:23:16have to be there could possibly move and

0:23:18make me sick I don't want to deal with

0:23:20it yeah all right

0:23:22are you are you done with all of your

0:23:24number three if you have any more number

0:23:25three's to do nope I think I hit all

0:23:28those points Branson Missouri crews not

0:23:31enough time at ports trapped seasick yep

0:23:34done okay my sole number three looks I'm

0:23:39doing this right for once

0:23:40well you just that's just sad it's all

0:23:43by itself my soul number three is

0:23:46speaking at a conference

0:23:48what so okay wait hold on mister Armand

0:23:54yes it is fine to have this list say

0:23:58things like yeah we did it once and we

0:24:01would never do it again

0:24:02this sounds like a list of things that

0:24:05you have done and have hated not so much

0:24:08an a list of things that you would never

0:24:10want to do based on the description of

0:24:12them because I really like assuming

0:24:14things personally and then you know

0:24:16talking about them like it's our job

0:24:18don't okay I'll get to those okay those

0:24:20are higher on the list okay I feel like

0:24:22right now I feel like we're getting

0:24:23getting a little sad and sad no speaka

0:24:27conferences is very simple it basically

0:24:29like you know conferences are often

0:24:31in really interesting nice places or

0:24:34venues or cities or whatever and they're

0:24:36often a way to for for you know young

0:24:40professionals to travel around for

0:24:43discounted rates or for free or to even

0:24:45get paid for traveling to these awesome

0:24:47places in exchange for you speaking at a

0:24:50conference or taking some part in a

0:24:51conference like that these are often

0:24:53held in like a some really nice places

0:24:55that I would love to have time to

0:24:57explore but when I am there to speak or

0:25:01you have a presentation or something

0:25:02like that

0:25:02I get so nervous about that and so

0:25:06consumed in the preparation of it I have

0:25:08spent so much time preparing for it that

0:25:11I'm not able to enjoy the great places

0:25:13these conferences are and so I like the

0:25:17the beauty of the place or the

0:25:19interestingness of the city or whatever

0:25:21is wasted on me because I'm I'm nervous

0:25:24about my talk or I'm you're Herzing my

0:25:26talk or I'm still building my talk

0:25:28hold the phone yeah you're playing this

0:25:30game wrong this is nightmare vacations a

0:25:33conference that invites you to speak in

0:25:34some clothes vacation it's work well it

0:25:37kind of feels like a vacation especially

0:25:38a lot of times you're not getting good

0:25:40nightmares like a vacation vacations

0:25:43well but they do and a lot of a lot of

0:25:45the vacations we've taken in the last

0:25:47five years or so have been me speaking

0:25:49at a conference and so I am rejecting

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0:29:12did not have a number three what is your

0:29:13number two can't believe that was

0:29:17alright my number two is Florida Mexico

0:29:23Machu Picchu or anywhere with monkeys

0:29:26okay wait is that is that a list to

0:29:32represent all places with monkeys or is

0:29:35the monkeys a separate item on that list

0:29:36are there monkeys in Florida is is what

0:29:38I'm really asking here I don't think

0:29:40there are monkeys in Florida if they are

0:29:42they might be like performing street

0:29:43monkeys like the little ones with the

0:29:51hats okay I don't know monkeys freak me

0:29:54out don't like monkeys I don't want to

0:29:57be in any of those cities where there

0:29:59are monkeys everywhere just can't handle

0:30:02it

0:30:02yeah those look weird Florida sounds

0:30:05terrible I bit while I've been to

0:30:07Florida and I don't really want to go

0:30:09back for a vacation I will go back for

0:30:11things if I have to go do things in

0:30:13Florida but for a vacation like I'm

0:30:16gonna go on vacation yeah it's not gonna

0:30:19be Florida has heat humidity mosquitos

0:30:2120 something people slow drivers slow

0:30:23walkers hopefully be alligators and

0:30:25stuff alligators there's like apparently

0:30:27tons of serial killers according to

0:30:29Dexter so I mean it sounds like a place

0:30:32where it doesn't sound very fun to be

0:30:34down there I have Mexico on this list

0:30:37because I do believe they have monkeys

0:30:39they are also very hot but I think some

0:30:44people have had some really nice times

0:30:45in Mexico but from what I've heard again

0:30:48huge stereotype what I've heard what's

0:30:50going on the people often go to Resorts

0:30:52and that they do not leave the resort

0:30:54because it's very dangerous so that does

0:30:56not sound like a good vacation place to

0:30:58me where I would feel like oh I have to

0:31:00fly in and get to this one place and

0:31:02then everything's gonna be okay and I

0:31:03will have all the drinks that I want and

0:31:05party party party and then I just want

0:31:07to get on the plane and leave that

0:31:09doesn't make me feel great of a place to

0:31:11go visit

0:31:12and Machu Picchu it's a whole bunch of

0:31:15ruins which I think are probably very

0:31:17beautiful in real life but I seen

0:31:19pictures of them and generally I don't

0:31:21need to walk around a whole bunch of

0:31:23ruins I know there's a lot of culture

0:31:26and a lot of history and things like

0:31:28that and I love learning about that kind

0:31:30of stuff from the comfort of my own

0:31:31couch and so never is enough sorry

0:31:38Florida Mexico Machu Picchu and anywhere

0:31:40with monkeys how is that possibly one

0:31:44entry they seem like a little cluster

0:31:47like a group like an idea they all kind

0:31:50of went together in my mind

0:31:51so a hot weather dangerous resorts ruins

0:31:53and monkeys so that's that all sounds

0:31:55the same to you yeah cuz root the ruins

0:31:57sound dangerous too like I feel like I

0:31:59could get hurt or bit by a snake or

0:32:00something I'm not afraid of snakes but

0:32:02I'm afraid of very poisonous snakes and

0:32:04it seems like the very poisonous snakes

0:32:06would be in ruins or possibly something

0:32:10cursed don't want to encounter that but

0:32:12I'm sure stakes but I'm afraid of

0:32:14getting bitten by what well yeah I'm

0:32:15sure there's monkeys running around

0:32:16holding you know venomous snakes and

0:32:19throwing them they throw them at you

0:32:20that's how the snakes get to you

0:32:21obviously I know there just seems like

0:32:23there's just too much danger for me to

0:32:25ever want to actually vacation there wow

0:32:30I have nothing to add to that I don't

0:32:34even know where to add from this crazy

0:32:36Tower number to hear that Wow yep never

0:32:40is enough I will see that Florida I

0:32:42consider putting Florida on my list

0:32:44because it's also not really for me

0:32:46however you know compared to Arizona

0:32:48Florida while that it also has a lot of

0:32:51heat and a lot of crazy wildlife and

0:32:53what a crazy Florida is full of humidity

0:32:56it's that like wet so key grossie okay

0:32:59so so Florida yes Florida is indeed very

0:33:03very humid but the people in dry places

0:33:06like Arizona I don't sell they'll say

0:33:07well it's 115 degrees here but it's a

0:33:10dry heat you know everyone always says

0:33:11it's a dry heat it's not as bad and

0:33:12they're right a dry heat is not as bad

0:33:15as the crazy Florida heat however as hot

0:33:19as it is in Arizona is bad regardless of

0:33:21how dry it is like it is still really

0:33:23bad so Florida yes Florida is also

0:33:25really

0:33:26but horrible and that makes it bad - but

0:33:28Arizona people you you have nothing

0:33:30better to say like you you have no your

0:33:33honor but Florida here why are you

0:33:36bringing Arizona back into this you just

0:33:37keep wanting to beat them down

0:33:39reasonably my Arizona in my list in

0:33:41Florida didn't is because at least when

0:33:45you go to Florida you can find a high up

0:33:47hotel room with a view of the water that

0:33:50we want to actually go outside or go

0:33:52anywhere near the surface of the ground

0:33:55where all the crazy gun people and

0:33:56alligators are but you can at least stay

0:33:58in your nice hotel and look at the water

0:34:00and enjoy the breeze that is true if we

0:34:01did go to a wedding in Florida it was

0:34:03very very nice

0:34:04exactly and that's that's a place where

0:34:06we went in the winter and it was really

0:34:08nice to have like fresh warm air in the

0:34:12middle of the winter because it was more

0:34:14reasonable there I would not go to

0:34:15Florida anytime during the summer

0:34:17because they would be way too hot and

0:34:18horrible but that is a nice place to go

0:34:21in the winter if you just want to stay

0:34:22in a hotel and not do much else which

0:34:24does sound kind of like us actually I'm

0:34:27still keeping Florida on my list because

0:34:29I will go to Florida for an event that

0:34:31to me is not a vacation and that's why

0:34:33you have a void at your number three

0:34:34because so I will happily go to Florida

0:34:39when invited for an event or something

0:34:42like that

0:34:43okay that's out that but as in a choice

0:34:46to go to Florida generally no all right

0:34:51my number two is going back to my

0:34:54hometown for a high school reunion

0:34:58you're so bad at this list what is the

0:35:01bet that's a vacation yeah a one-time

0:35:04vacation high school reunions happen

0:35:06like three times ever

0:35:07you just country to yourself in one

0:35:09sentence that's fine I do what I want

0:35:12here man look good my pike so I haven't

0:35:14gone my ten-year reunion past how many

0:35:18years are your ten-year reunion and I'll

0:35:20tell you why you beat you we've gotten

0:35:25snake sorting by monkeys a much broader

0:35:30idea high school reunion really isn't

0:35:35events Marco doesn't want to attend

0:35:37podcast this is nice

0:35:40Kayson that's a vacation you know

0:35:42because some people considered a

0:35:44vacation I'm gonna go keep going you're

0:35:50ridiculous because these are events that

0:35:53you're saying you don't want to go to

0:35:54it's like saying like I don't want to go

0:35:56to my cousin's wedding like this isn't a

0:35:58vacation event that you have to travel

0:36:01to in another place it's not a vacation

0:36:03a vacation is something that you sit

0:36:05down and you plan and you decide we have

0:36:08nothing to do this weekend and we want

0:36:10to do something or this week or next

0:36:13month or first spring break your list

0:36:16and commit a mountain and an animal

0:36:24vacations are things that you plan to go

0:36:28to when you have nothing when no that is

0:36:31an event that is an event speaking at a

0:36:34conference is an event high school

0:36:36reunions is an event going to weddings

0:36:38is an event graduations event there is e

0:36:42these are events and obligations most of

0:36:44those things right this isn't the

0:36:46offense an obligations nightmare story

0:36:49nightmare vacations which you plan for

0:36:51leisure or leisure or however you want

0:36:54to say it the thing where you do or you

0:36:55hang out and you relax and you do

0:36:57something for fun that makes you happy

0:36:58because oh my god well no you're getting

0:37:06me all riled up because you're Julie

0:37:09think of a place that you would oh my

0:37:12gosh where would you not want to go on

0:37:14vacation uh a bar in Columbus Ohio that

0:37:18has people in my high school in it

0:37:22[Laughter]

0:37:25what quit anyway that's my number two

0:37:31[Laughter]

0:37:33what's your number one honey I don't

0:37:37know honey

0:37:37it's certainly not a high school reunion

0:37:40that only happens every five years that

0:37:42I wouldn't want to go to anyway what's

0:37:46your number one honey my number one

0:37:48nightmare vacation as in an event that I

0:37:53would plan and attend hmm

0:37:56I shouldn't say event I should say

0:37:58location Oh interesting you can cut that

0:38:01out that was a slip of the lip no I'm

0:38:03not cutting that up I don't it's not an

0:38:05event all right good night verification

0:38:10a place that I would plan to go to and

0:38:14enjoy some time there or not enjoy my

0:38:17number one is Disney Disney sounds like

0:38:21the worst oh you'd go there of our

0:38:25friends talk about going to Disney and

0:38:27everything that they talk about

0:38:29happening in Disney sounds terrible

0:38:33it just sounds terrible it is lines it

0:38:35is crowds its heat its people and giant

0:38:38character costumes which is slightly

0:38:39terrifying it's like you know I've been

0:38:42and I'm sure a little bit of Branson

0:38:50Missouri is in there too because they

0:38:51have that whole small world business

0:38:53going on so it just rolled into one

0:38:57giant aqua globe of just things not for

0:39:01you not fun no not fun yeah it's it's

0:39:04hard for it cuz like so many of our

0:39:05friends do go to Disney on a regular

0:39:07basis and enjoy it and tell us that we

0:39:09would like it or that we should go I

0:39:11would not land and every time they

0:39:12explained to us why we would like it and

0:39:16why it's not what we think the things

0:39:18they say are things that we don't like

0:39:20or would hate like it no one has ever

0:39:24made a good argument as to why we would

0:39:26like this they may they be convinced as

0:39:29to why they like it and that's fine as

0:39:30you mentioned it's at the start of the

0:39:32show people like different things but no

0:39:35one has ever

0:39:36it said anything about Disney or what

0:39:38it's like to actually go there that made

0:39:40it sound tempting for us and we we are

0:39:42it sounds terrible to go there with

0:39:44children because first of all you have

0:39:45to force them through all the crowds and

0:39:47the lines and the heat and the

0:39:49terrifying characters and the travel to

0:39:50get there to be in life and the travel

0:39:52to get there to begin with and then you

0:39:53either have to get there super early at

0:39:55the park or stay there for a really long

0:39:57time and there's all kinds of strange

0:39:58weirdo passes that don't seem to work

0:40:00the way they need to work to throw a

0:40:02whole bunch of money at the problem

0:40:04you have to like plan all of this stuff

0:40:07and have these silly little key fob e

0:40:10things all over the place that they're

0:40:12apparently some nice restaurants to go

0:40:14to but you have to go through all of the

0:40:16lines heat crowds and characters to get

0:40:18to the restaurants so why would I bother

0:40:20I can't go to a nice restaurant here

0:40:22without waiting online without going

0:40:24through all creepy characters without

0:40:25having all of this happen I have no

0:40:27heart connection to Disney whatsoever

0:40:30I really don't my son has really no

0:40:34heart connection to Disney yes we like

0:40:36to watch movies they are fine they're

0:40:38movies that's what they are I don't need

0:40:40to go get into the movie to enjoy it

0:40:42like I have no desire to that I see the

0:40:45movie I it's over I shut it off and I

0:40:46move on with my life I would not like

0:40:49Disney I just I wouldn't like it I've

0:40:51been there as a child I have very little

0:40:54memory of it I don't I don't think I had

0:40:57that much fun I mean I might have had

0:40:59some fun but I just remember it being

0:41:01hot I remember not wanting to walk and I

0:41:04remember waiting aligns so there you go

0:41:08and I remember goofy trying to bite my

0:41:10head at a restaurant and it was super

0:41:12awkward why did he do that I was a

0:41:14little girl didn't need to happen anyway

0:41:17probably like some poor high school kid

0:41:18in the summer job in that costume and I

0:41:20also feel bad for all the people who are

0:41:22working there right they all have to

0:41:23like sit in those sweltering costumes

0:41:25and like just everything surrounding the

0:41:29Disney I don't think I would like I I

0:41:32just don't know ride to me is worth a

0:41:34two-hour line nothing is like no ride to

0:41:38me is worth booking hours in advance and

0:41:40then trying to get back to it to go to

0:41:42it just if I wanted to go on rides I'll

0:41:45just go for a day at an amusement park

0:41:48and rainy days in amusement park

0:41:50are awesome actually rollercoasters in

0:41:52the rain amazing cuz they're not that

0:41:55scary but they're much better when the

0:41:57rains in your face is going to it's

0:42:00really very fun then but yeah I just

0:42:03yeah trams parking every I know

0:42:07everything about it yeah I think we are

0:42:10we are lucky in that our Sun is really

0:42:13has it really never gotten that

0:42:15interested in like the individual

0:42:17characters of the movies like he'll want

0:42:19to watch a movie a few times and then

0:42:21you know he'll be he'll like the movie

0:42:23for a little bit and then he'll be done

0:42:24with it he'll move on he doesn't get

0:42:25obsessed with the characters as much as

0:42:27a lot of kids do and so yeah we bought

0:42:29him some like little toys of things of

0:42:31characters for movies he likes and he

0:42:32likes it's like oh cool and then he

0:42:35moves on yeah yeah yeah so like we're

0:42:38lucky that like you know if your kids

0:42:41are super into it then I could see why

0:42:43you'd go that you know you were you'd

0:42:44endure all this stuff you know to give

0:42:46your kids a good time but why adults go

0:42:49there is for them for their own benefit

0:42:53is all for reasons that sound awful to

0:42:56me and like and I know we're getting the

0:42:59most feedback about this we're and we're

0:43:01gonna have the most of our friends

0:43:01telling us why we should do this and why

0:43:03we're all wrong about this

0:43:04I'm sorry folks never enough it sounds

0:43:07that what you're getting it sounds it

0:43:10sounds like it's not worth all the

0:43:11hassle and and also you know if we were

0:43:13if we were to go everybody has their

0:43:16tips about well it is horrible you're

0:43:19right unless you do tips XY and Z and

0:43:22everyone has a different list of those

0:43:24things and I know that in practice we

0:43:27wouldn't we would do something wrong we

0:43:29you know we would not do the tip

0:43:30correctly or we would not take the

0:43:32Fastpass Express line properly or

0:43:35whatever and like something we would do

0:43:36it wrong and then ever end we'd have a

0:43:39bad time and all these people who were

0:43:41telling us that we would love this would

0:43:43be like well you just did it wrong like

0:43:44I don't think it's just I don't want the

0:43:46possibility of going somewhere and just

0:43:50because I went there and I didn't do it

0:43:51right it was the reason I didn't want it

0:43:53didn't have fun I just want to be able

0:43:55to go somewhere and enjoy it for what it

0:43:58is I don't want to have to put in a

0:43:59whole bunch of research and work and

0:44:01like all of this

0:44:04overhead to have fun in a fake fun land

0:44:08yeah it seems like you can really have

0:44:10to try very hard to properly manage a

0:44:14successful Disney trip and I know there

0:44:17are people you can pay to help you

0:44:18manage it and even that sounds weird it

0:44:20sounds it just sounds like a waste of

0:44:22money to me like I really I wouldn't

0:44:23even feel good about throwing money at

0:44:25this problem because it doesn't sound

0:44:28like a great way for us to spend money

0:44:32in order to get back memories of

0:44:35enjoyment because I would spend the

0:44:38whole time

0:44:39having angry face the only thing I will

0:44:43say just agree with you on is you said

0:44:45you kind of said earlier that like you'd

0:44:47rather go there than other or you rather

0:44:49go go to just any amusement park I

0:44:51honestly I don't like any amusement

0:44:53parks if I'm going to go to one I would

0:44:57probably want to go to a really big

0:44:59well-run one and by most people

0:45:01description descriptions Disney is that

0:45:03so no see to me an amusement park is a

0:45:06getting get out you spent you go there

0:45:07you spend a couple hours there yeah but

0:45:11it's not like tons of it a week

0:45:14difference no and it's not like let me

0:45:16buy Fast Pass tickets to get on a line

0:45:19that other people are standing on for

0:45:20two hours it's literally like a

0:45:2215-minute line to go do the log flume or

0:45:25whatever and then you're done like well

0:45:27but like you know smaller parks are

0:45:29often you know not very well-run and you

0:45:32know at least it does it have to be for

0:45:35you to go there you get your dippin dots

0:45:36you get online for the roller coaster

0:45:38you use the bathroom four or five times

0:45:40you watch the bird show and then the

0:45:42spinning plates and then you get to go

0:45:44home like it's done yeah see I would

0:45:49rather just not go to him using Park at

0:45:51all and just do anything else in the in

0:45:53the world than that anyway so that's

0:45:55your number one yeah that is my hard and

0:45:59strong number one Disney no matter what

0:46:01anyone tells me it's not gonna happen

0:46:04and I respect that you enjoy it because

0:46:06it's your vacation it's not mine so

0:46:09there we go my number one is similar to

0:46:13some of your ones that you've been

0:46:14sprinkling throughout your various

0:46:16horrible

0:46:16horribly structured list you have over

0:46:19there okay is it monkeys or Branson

0:46:21Missouri its rocks no it's similar

0:46:23that's actually my number one is the

0:46:26general category of hiking and camping

0:46:27Oh see now that's that's a proper mode

0:46:31you get battery on the list yes the

0:46:35general category of hiking and camping

0:46:39this also includes tangentially related

0:46:42things like mountain climbing RV touring

0:46:47or caravana depending where you are the

0:46:49idea of going in a vehicle that's

0:46:51basically a big camper van thing so

0:46:53pretty much any form of roughing it

0:46:54which is outside of your own home yeah

0:46:56exactly and and it's like pretty much

0:46:59like everything Brady doesn't vacation

0:47:01like Brady goes to nice resorts as well

0:47:04these are grinding mountains and stuff

0:47:06and like diving into volcanoes like I

0:47:09don't want to do any of that or any

0:47:10outdoor hike or or any kind of camping

0:47:13or anything like camping I really prefer

0:47:17the not camping yeah I really prefer the

0:47:21the basic modern amenities of like

0:47:24bathrooms and walls climate control when

0:47:29necessary screens to block out things

0:47:32like mosquitoes all night or monkey um I

0:47:35like being able to have like a small

0:47:38snack in my bag without having to worry

0:47:39about bears you know stuff like that

0:47:41like I'm hiking or monkeys yeah I guess

0:47:44yeah like just everything about that

0:47:47about like the whole like you know

0:47:48camping scene that just is incredibly

0:47:53unappealing to me we have done it and it

0:47:55was far too many toenails - yeah that

0:47:57was not great they grew back it's fine

0:47:59yeah and and hiking as like a trip like

0:48:02I don't mind like a day hike where which

0:48:05is basically a fancy word for walking in

0:48:06the woods that's cool

0:48:07but like when you're like carrying days

0:48:10worth of stuff in a backpack and then

0:48:12camping at night and stuff that is

0:48:14really not at all for me we have a large

0:48:19supply of camping gear and hiking

0:48:22backpacks for sale if anyone is

0:48:24interested please contact Marco hmm yeah

0:48:27use it once yes please

0:48:31oh they were heavily used but for a

0:48:32short time that's true

0:48:34heavily used once heavily used for four

0:48:36days yeah

0:48:39God impression bags mm-hmm we got it all

0:48:43mm-hmm all sorts of stuff that I hope to

0:48:45never use again cuz we love gear mm-hmm

0:48:48we do like that the gear shopping and

0:48:49everything was much better than the

0:48:51actual use of subset gear our son plays

0:48:53in the tent in our playroom does yep yep

0:48:58yes five-year-olds and pillows and

0:49:01popcorn while watching movies inside

0:49:04yeah

0:49:05hiking camping that whole the whole

0:49:09outdoor holding the whole outdoor

0:49:11adventure category nothing not at all

0:49:15for me at all for people who this is for

0:49:19more power to you I respect that but

0:49:21please never never bring me again so

0:49:24yeah I could I could get into some small

0:49:27versions of those so that's why I didn't

0:49:29put them on my list like I could do a

0:49:31little bit of camping here and there I

0:49:32think I think campfires are fun I like

0:49:35wood walking I feel proud of the trip

0:49:39that we did even though it was

0:49:40exhausting and tiring and I probably

0:49:43wouldn't do it again but I'm proud that

0:49:44we did do it yeah but that is that is a

0:49:47legit entry I'm surprised Disney didn't

0:49:50make your list because I had Disney on

0:49:54my consideration listen I got some would

0:49:56you like to put Disney in either your

0:49:59number two or number three slots I was

0:50:02rejected by the top four committee I I

0:50:05dispute the rejection still it doesn't

0:50:08matter I'm a committee of one I guess

0:50:10yeah third in number three I guess all

0:50:11right there we go I don't know if I'll

0:50:13see I don't know if I'd hated enough to

0:50:15put it at number one number one I'm just

0:50:18asking if you wanted to pop it in to

0:50:20number two or three since you had some

0:50:22openings I never wanna do that stuff