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H.I. #86: Banana Republic


00:00:00   okay is not cutesy yeah you have not

00:00:02   understood what Icarus no uncle wouldn't

00:00:05   be cute

00:00:05   oka would be like there are the cash

00:00:08   bastard have you lose the cash bastard

00:00:10   yeah yeah I paid I paid for my toes with

00:00:13   the cash bastard hmm I'm thinking like

00:00:15   akka is is like the ha for getting the

00:00:18   word but like the Japanese word for

00:00:20   cuteness that a thousand people will put

00:00:21   it in the comments no awkwardness is

00:00:23   very masculine and it's very unrefined

00:00:27   not always obscene but someone who's

00:00:30   aqua is very likely to use a lot of

00:00:31   swear words haka in my head it feels

00:00:33   like a koala with big eyes that's what

00:00:35   aqua feels like really oh no you have

00:00:38   not understood okay I'm gonna improve

00:00:40   your education on that with some

00:00:42   materials I think I like this definition

00:00:44   of ARCA much better oka is like

00:00:46   Australian cuteness we have talked a

00:00:49   little bit about Disney we were talking

00:00:52   about the fastpasses

00:00:53   which yes I don't even want to get into

00:00:54   it but boy did I discover that fast

00:00:58   passes work different everywhere they

00:01:00   were different in different Disney parks

00:01:02   we got explained in the reddit all of

00:01:04   the various algorithms that exist with

00:01:07   fast passes everywhere in the world and

00:01:09   I left feeling ten times more confused

00:01:11   than it had started but I am

00:01:13   appreciative to everybody who wrote in

00:01:14   all that stuff but it's like holy hell

00:01:16   fast passes are complicated that must be

00:01:19   a in the top 10 or top 20 of most fed

00:01:21   back things we've ever got and I

00:01:24   understand maybe we made some mistakes

00:01:25   and if you want to understand it just go

00:01:27   to the subreddit from that previous

00:01:29   episode and knock yourself out

00:01:31   fill your books but one thing I did

00:01:34   notice is obviously a lot of people who

00:01:36   work for Disney listen to hello internet

00:01:38   because a lot of them got in touch and

00:01:39   one thing which I was obviously aware of

00:01:42   before and was emphasized by these

00:01:44   messages and I just wonder what you

00:01:45   think about it is the fact that Disney

00:01:47   call their staff cast members this is

00:01:51   like obviously a very Disney thing in

00:01:52   there I think they're known for it and

00:01:54   the staff seem to like it too because

00:01:55   they always like referring to themselves

00:01:56   as cast members what do you think of

00:02:00   that

00:02:00   alright are you giggling already baby

00:02:05   because I know what I'm talking

00:02:07   we will never discuss this but I know

00:02:08   you well enough to think you must have

00:02:10   used on this and I think that will

00:02:11   entertain me

00:02:12   I don't have use okay sort of do it cozy

00:02:17   day because this kind of crap I hate

00:02:20   when businesses do when it's like oh

00:02:23   we're a family and you're a guest in our

00:02:26   company here coming to visit us and the

00:02:30   like false familiarity and the false

00:02:34   chumminess it really rubs me the wrong

00:02:36   way yeah except somehow somehow the

00:02:40   magic Disney Tinkerbell pixie dust has

00:02:44   gotten into my brain and I feel like I'm

00:02:47   perfectly okay with the Disney staff

00:02:48   being called cast members I'm perfectly

00:02:50   happy with probably in Disney corporate

00:02:52   lingo than referring to the guests like

00:02:56   as guests right as opposed to customers

00:02:59   right so I feel like I'm perfectly fine

00:03:01   with this with Disney I'm not sure there

00:03:03   are very many other companies in the

00:03:05   whole world I would be okay with this

00:03:07   but I'm gonna give it a thumbs up I'm

00:03:09   perfectly fine with it all right

00:03:10   disappointed Brady do you think I'd be

00:03:12   angrier I did actually I'm a bit

00:03:14   disappointed I didn't think you'd give

00:03:15   Disney such a pass I didn't think he'd

00:03:17   be so suckered by the corporate behemoth

00:03:20   that is Disney into thinking it's like

00:03:21   Tinkerbell and stuff

00:03:23   isn't that what Disney is aren't they

00:03:25   small and vulnerable and charming like

00:03:28   Tinkerbell and you just have to believe

00:03:30   in them otherwise they'll go away and

00:03:32   not one of the world's largest companies

00:03:34   yeah that's why I think it's funny like

00:03:36   it totally shouldn't work on me but for

00:03:38   some reason it just does tell me why

00:03:40   that term though why cast members why

00:03:43   would that have been chosen as the way

00:03:45   to describe staff of the theme park I

00:03:48   just realized is this supposed to refer

00:03:49   to staff in addition to the people in

00:03:53   the costumes like does cast members

00:03:55   refer to everybody no I think Pete like

00:03:58   the person assuring you onto the roller

00:04:00   coaster is a cast member okay but what

00:04:03   what about the guy doing paperwork in an

00:04:06   office on the park now I don't know now

00:04:09   you've got me wondering is that guy a

00:04:10   cast member but see the thing is I feel

00:04:13   like I could actually make an argument

00:04:14   for him being a cast member because if

00:04:16   you're putting on a big show and it

00:04:18   feels like a Disney park is kind of like

00:04:20   a big show even though it's really a

00:04:22   machine lets you feed the mouse it's

00:04:24   kind of like a big show

00:04:26   so like on a Broadway show are members

00:04:29   of the crew are they called cast members

00:04:31   - I don't know if they are not I don't

00:04:33   know I imagined all the public facing

00:04:35   people were cast members not just the

00:04:37   person that dressed as Mickey I will

00:04:39   give Disney a pass for every person that

00:04:41   a guest would see in the park I think

00:04:45   that's okay to call them cast members

00:04:46   even if you're the person like saying

00:04:49   okay you go and sit in that seat on the

00:04:50   roller coaster yes I think I'm gonna

00:04:52   give Disney a pass on that one but only

00:04:53   Disney okay don't even think about it

00:04:55   Six Flags you're not getting a pass on

00:04:57   this one for me all right I'm only gonna

00:04:59   give it to Disney I think that's the way

00:05:00   this works

00:05:01   Amaya hello Internet cast member yes I

00:05:04   think you are Brady I am however I think

00:05:06   our corporate policy should not be to

00:05:08   use these terms like I think you are we

00:05:11   were better described as a co-host of

00:05:14   the show don't you think that's a more

00:05:15   accurate way to describe it do you think

00:05:17   describing me as a co-host rightly or

00:05:20   wrongly is belittling like because if

00:05:23   someone said they were the co-pilot that

00:05:26   doesn't sound as awesome as saying like

00:05:27   you're the captain or you're the pilot

00:05:29   the other copilot makes it sound like

00:05:30   you're the junior guy in the right seat

00:05:32   who occasionally gets to land if there's

00:05:34   no wind and stuff now I know you don't

00:05:36   describe yourself differently you also

00:05:37   call yourself a co-host but do you think

00:05:39   is the term co-host sounds like you're

00:05:42   the vice president because I say

00:05:44   sometimes I'm the co-host of a podcast

00:05:47   called hello Internet does that make me

00:05:48   sound less than if I said I was a host I

00:05:51   think what you've done here is that

00:05:52   you've done like an anchoring effect

00:05:53   that by mentioning pilots which is one

00:05:57   of the cases where the copilot does mean

00:06:00   something else

00:06:00   mm I can't wait to hear from all the

00:06:02   pilots co-pilots they should be called

00:06:04   sub pilots it's not the co-pilot

00:06:06   because the captain is right that's the

00:06:10   way that works well I don't want to be

00:06:11   called the sub host of hello intimate I

00:06:13   wouldn't mind being called the vice host

00:06:15   no but that's worse I know it's worse

00:06:17   but I just think it sounds funny no

00:06:19   that's way worse you can't be the vice

00:06:20   host of the show that makes no sense at

00:06:22   all that's what makes if you ever

00:06:23   incapacitated I would be the host no 3d

00:06:27   it's not how this works these titles

00:06:29   work so I think you have anchored it in

00:06:32   bringing up maybe the one or very few

00:06:35   places where Co actually means sub

00:06:38   that's fair enough I said I see you

00:06:40   you're saying and I agree with what

00:06:41   you're saying but I still think Co does

00:06:44   have a slight belittling effect because

00:06:47   it says you don't do it on your own like

00:06:50   if you were the co first person to step

00:06:52   on top of Mount Everest as opposed to

00:06:54   being the first person it's not as

00:06:55   awesome you've kind of lost a bit of

00:06:57   your glory because it's not all yours I

00:06:59   will totally grant that if Hillary and

00:07:02   Eva wrists held hands and stepped tents

00:07:04   on the mountain or Tenzing at the same

00:07:06   time

00:07:07   Tenzing siffredi right it would be

00:07:10   amazing if the first person on top of

00:07:12   Mount Everest also happened to be caught

00:07:13   Everest yeah like George Everest or

00:07:16   whatever that's right that's how it's

00:07:18   named after but he never climbed it well

00:07:20   I'm spinning a tale of magic here that

00:07:23   if Hillary and Eva is a held hands and

00:07:26   stepped on top at the same time yeah or

00:07:28   if Armstrong and come on Zizi

00:07:34   I'm strong and Buzz Aldrin Aldrin oh

00:07:40   thank you thank you like okay I should

00:07:43   have got that one I should have gotten

00:07:44   that if they held hands and jumped onto

00:07:47   the moon at the same time yeah like I

00:07:49   would be going back through the footage

00:07:50   and going frame by frame like whose foot

00:07:52   landed first right like I'm gonna

00:07:54   disallow this notion that your co first

00:07:58   men on the moon you're the co first

00:07:59   climbers of the mountain that's not how

00:08:02   this works this is a debate that centers

00:08:04   around the climbing of men Everest it

00:08:06   was always an often discussed topic as

00:08:09   to who actually led the way and stepped

00:08:12   on the summit of Mount Everest first out

00:08:14   of Hillary and Tenzing it was like a

00:08:15   huge debate and they never wanted to

00:08:18   answer the question and talk about it

00:08:19   because for all the sort of people of

00:08:22   Nepal they like to think it was Tenzing

00:08:24   and for people through the Commonwealth

00:08:25   I think they liked to think it was

00:08:27   Hillary and it wasn't until one of

00:08:28   Hillary's late autobiographies came out

00:08:30   that he actually put in writing that he

00:08:33   was actually in front and got to the top

00:08:35   first according to him

00:08:37   tensing's dead so he couldn't argue with

00:08:38   it but Hillary's dead too now by the way

00:08:40   but okay yeah time to wait right yeah

00:08:44   yeah we all know was a Sherpa right

00:08:46   that's the first person on the top of

00:08:47   the mountain let's the era clearly gonna

00:08:49   be the case that's not what Hillary said

00:08:51   in his book but anyway

00:08:52   I don't even know how we got onto this

00:08:54   topic we were talking about Disney cast

00:08:55   members the way we got onto this topic

00:08:57   is as always the Brady wandering through

00:09:00   the valley of misplaced metaphors and

00:09:02   analogies yeah and I think yes you are

00:09:05   correct that being the co person to

00:09:08   discover a thing or get to a place is a

00:09:10   ridiculous notion yeah I don't think Co

00:09:13   in the in the world of podcasts has any

00:09:17   kind of sub meaning yeah because I think

00:09:19   the most directly comparable thing is

00:09:22   like companies where people Co found a

00:09:26   company because you're not getting to a

00:09:29   place you're making a thing together but

00:09:31   even then and as I said it's still

00:09:33   awesome to found a company but isn't it

00:09:35   more awesome to be the only founder

00:09:37   rather than a co-founder like saying I'm

00:09:39   the co-founder of something means mmm I

00:09:42   wonder who like had more of the ideas

00:09:45   and who was cleverer and who's richer

00:09:47   and like it just shows those seeds there

00:09:50   CONUS it's like hmm you say you're the

00:09:53   co-discoverer of that comic but does

00:09:54   that mean the other guy actually saw it

00:09:56   first and this is just a technical

00:09:58   reason we have to call you the

00:09:59   co-discoverer you know what's really

00:10:00   funny about this Brady I think there is

00:10:02   something I have recently really gotten

00:10:04   an understanding of with you that I

00:10:05   haven't had over these lo these many

00:10:07   years hmm which is your competitiveness

00:10:11   you've mentioned to me about your

00:10:13   competitiveness and you we've talked

00:10:15   about it on the show sometimes like at

00:10:17   you're competitive person but I feel

00:10:18   like I have only recently actually

00:10:20   understood this on a more deep level and

00:10:22   somehow this conversation about the

00:10:24   nature of co versus solo yeah I feel

00:10:28   like I get this deep down this is a

00:10:30   question of competitiveness and Brady

00:10:33   there cannot be ties right someone must

00:10:36   win and isn't it better to win than to

00:10:39   tie I think that's what's going on here

00:10:41   Brady I think that's my interpretation

00:10:42   of what's going on in your Brady mind I

00:10:44   don't think that's true like in the case

00:10:46   of hello Internet I mean hello internet

00:10:47   was your idea you came up with a you did

00:10:50   all the work at start so like I would

00:10:52   consider if we had to say who is the

00:10:54   junior person of course it would be me

00:10:57   like I wouldn't doubt it for a second so

00:10:58   it's not like I'm thinking ah why am i

00:11:00   Co it's not fair like I have no problem

00:11:03   with that it just gets me thinking about

00:11:04   the word Co I think we are we are

00:11:07   because Brady no we're doing here yeah

00:11:10   we're building a beautiful thing

00:11:11   together in the last episode you

00:11:16   mentioned that you had a new wedding

00:11:18   ring that your wife got for you because

00:11:19   your previously chubby fingers have been

00:11:22   replaced with new alive 55,000 that's

00:11:27   exactly the way I phrased it yeah yes my

00:11:29   chubby chubby hands so as someone who

00:11:32   doesn't like to hoard objects I didn't

00:11:35   get the chance to ask because the topic

00:11:37   sort of moved on what have you done with

00:11:39   your old wedding ring the original uh I

00:11:42   don't know where it is all I know is

00:11:46   that it is somewhere under the aegis of

00:11:49   my wife's protection I can she has it

00:11:51   somewhere it still exists it's in the

00:11:54   house someplace it hasn't been thrown

00:11:57   into Mount Doom or anything like that no

00:12:00   it hasn't been thrown into Mount Doom I

00:12:02   don't think I could throw it into Mount

00:12:04   Doom I would I would stand upon the

00:12:05   precipice and resist wear that the case

00:12:07   speaking of dropping things into Mount

00:12:09   Doom you know I left my Segway so I'm

00:12:12   just gonna go with that you know how I

00:12:15   talk about how I'm invincible when it

00:12:17   comes to dropping phones and I can drop

00:12:18   I literally have dropped my phone off a

00:12:20   cliff and it didn't break mm-hmm I was

00:12:23   listening to the last podcast of ours

00:12:25   because I like to check to see what made

00:12:27   it into the final episode about me

00:12:30   saying how invincible I was dropping my

00:12:32   phone when I bumped into a lady I knew

00:12:35   at the park walking dogs so I stopped

00:12:37   the podcast and was started talking to

00:12:39   her and while I was fiddling with my

00:12:40   headphones and trying to put my phone

00:12:42   away I dropped my phone onto the

00:12:44   Ashville path we were standing on and it

00:12:47   landed facedown and went bang and the

00:12:50   woman oh my goodness oh no and I said to

00:12:52   her before I even pick up my phone I

00:12:54   said don't worry there's no chance it's

00:12:55   broken I leaned over turned around the

00:12:58   face pristine absolutely pristine she

00:13:01   was like oh my goodness how did you know

00:13:03   it wasn't broken

00:13:04   i lo my phone never breaks no case or

00:13:08   anything bang I think with that story

00:13:10   all of the credit goes to your

00:13:13   superpowers hmm and none of it goes to

00:13:16   the hundreds of materials engineers

00:13:18   who've been working on the magic

00:13:21   quote glass that isn't glass at all

00:13:23   that's on the front of those screens but

00:13:24   my wife sneezes on her iPhone and it

00:13:27   shatters into a thousand pieces that

00:13:28   sounds a little bit overblown that's a

00:13:30   description what skirt sounded good they

00:13:34   did it it does sound good

00:13:36   it would make a fantastic Android

00:13:38   commercial like they hire here wife she

00:13:39   sneezes on the phone into a thousand

00:13:43   pieces

00:13:43   hey what they've since then and since I

00:13:46   last saw you which wasn't long ago I've

00:13:47   changed my iphone Oh help me Brady you

00:13:51   were using the iPhone se mm-hm and you

00:13:55   have you've changed now I'm trying at

00:13:58   the moment the the newest one plus

00:14:01   you're trying the plus I am I'm trying

00:14:04   it I can't remember now cuz I feel like

00:14:06   we've switched phones a bunch of times

00:14:08   and though in the course of the podcast

00:14:10   have you ever used a plus phone before

00:14:11   no it's my first plus okay what do you

00:14:14   think of the plus pros and cons okay

00:14:16   pros and cons it's a hell of a thing to

00:14:18   go to after the SE it is an occasionally

00:14:21   I go back to my se for certain things

00:14:22   still and it does feel very small now

00:14:24   mm-hmm

00:14:24   of course but I'm undecided I'm gonna

00:14:27   stick with it for a while because it's

00:14:29   really expensive and I paid a lot of

00:14:31   money for us I'm gonna use it for a

00:14:32   while yeah this is that cheap no say I'm

00:14:35   kind of stuck with it now but it's good

00:14:38   for some things the main reason I got it

00:14:41   was because I found myself watching so

00:14:42   much a video on my phone that I wanted a

00:14:45   bigger screen for video watching like

00:14:47   whether it's just watching sports

00:14:48   highlights or graphs of videos that

00:14:51   people are editing with me

00:14:52   professionally and stuff and for that

00:14:53   I'm liking it it's nice to quickly you

00:14:55   know watch the goals that have been

00:14:56   scored in the football that day on on

00:14:58   the biggest ground but the reaching

00:15:00   around and navigating the screen with my

00:15:02   mortal human fingers which I don't think

00:15:05   I have overly small hands but there

00:15:07   certainly no match for the plus screen

00:15:10   nobody has hands that are a match

00:15:11   smartphone it's awesome no man can do it

00:15:14   only Giants I like using my phone while

00:15:17   I'm walking like you know walking down

00:15:19   the street and you don't want to use two

00:15:20   hands when you're doing that so I'm a

00:15:22   big one-handed phone user I find it very

00:15:25   hard to switch to two hand phone use I

00:15:27   just don't think it's a fit for me and I

00:15:29   don't think the plus is suited to

00:15:32   one-handed phone users so unless I get

00:15:34   down with the kids and start becoming a

00:15:36   two-handed phone user I'm gonna continue

00:15:39   to be frustrated by is that what the

00:15:41   kids do Brady the kids are the

00:15:42   two-handed phone users a parent that's

00:15:44   what someone told me apparently that's a

00:15:46   young person's game it's two-handed

00:15:48   phone use well I do have a little bit of

00:15:50   good news for you because I am running

00:15:53   the beta version of the next operating

00:15:55   system on my phone currently on my plus

00:15:58   size phone hmm and I've sent you a

00:16:00   picture that they have finally conceded

00:16:02   and acknowledged that this phone is too

00:16:05   big for people's hands and there is a

00:16:08   scrunched over to the left keyboard in

00:16:10   the iPhone plus that makes one-handed

00:16:13   texting easier to do see the one thing I

00:16:16   do want is a big keyboard because I was

00:16:18   having problems I'm a small phone of

00:16:20   miss typing all the time I felt like I

00:16:22   was making more typos so one of my

00:16:23   keyboard buttons further apart that's

00:16:25   the one thing I don't want okay then I

00:16:29   have no good news for you Brady I'm

00:16:30   sorry I thought you were going to be

00:16:31   happy the top of the phone is just like

00:16:34   a wasteland mm-hmm that I can't get to

00:16:36   right I'm using the plus you know I

00:16:39   haven't been happy with any of the

00:16:40   phones really for like what four years

00:16:42   now with this rounded design that I've

00:16:46   just been very sad and frustrated with

00:16:48   it is also frustrating that app

00:16:50   designers and everybody keeps putting

00:16:52   stuff at the top of the phone it's like

00:16:53   hey yeah that might as well be a hundred

00:16:56   miles away yeah I can't reach that why

00:16:58   don't you put all the controls at the

00:16:59   bottom of the phone the bottom of the

00:17:00   phone is where the action is yeah I need

00:17:03   to do a big icon rearrange I know

00:17:04   there's all these little trick things

00:17:05   but I need to start putting my go-to

00:17:07   apps like my Twitter and stuff like that

00:17:09   down low where my thumb can get to yeah

00:17:12   if you switch to the big phone you have

00:17:14   to reverse everything everything that's

00:17:15   a frequent use that's got to go at the

00:17:17   bottom yeah like my iMessages maps like

00:17:20   calendar all of that stuff have got to

00:17:22   be at the bottom of the phone I need to

00:17:23   do that and then I'll relearn it in a

00:17:25   day or two so it is very hard to get rid

00:17:27   of that muscle memory though yeah I

00:17:28   almost hate to bring this up Brady but

00:17:30   you do know the time that we're

00:17:32   recording this is this is like right

00:17:34   before new iPhone season are you aware

00:17:36   of this

00:17:37   I do but whatever he just couldn't wait

00:17:40   anymore I don't think I'm gonna like the

00:17:42   new ones as much like I'm liking them

00:17:44   less as they go

00:17:46   so I'm figuring they're gonna do

00:17:47   something else I don't like on the next

00:17:49   one you know they'll remove whatever

00:17:51   ports are left I would say no we don't

00:17:54   think screens are the way of the future

00:17:56   everything's just gonna be smelled now

00:17:59   like I don't know you never know what

00:18:01   they're gonna do so get in before they

00:18:02   ruin it more ill if the rumors are did

00:18:04   we believe they're taking away the home

00:18:05   button on the next phone yeah

00:18:07   we'll see but uh I wish you were happier

00:18:10   with your phone I wish I was happier

00:18:11   with my phone but it is a hell of a

00:18:13   transition going from the little one to

00:18:14   the big one

00:18:15   you've got to reverse absolutely

00:18:16   everything I'm sorry that the smouched

00:18:18   over keyboard is of no assistance to you

00:18:20   hmm

00:18:21   iPhones they've been frustrating for the

00:18:23   last four years yeah hopefully less

00:18:26   frustrating soon but I'm not necessarily

00:18:29   holding my breath on that one

00:18:30   you remind me of like those football

00:18:32   fans whose team loses every season and

00:18:34   at the start of every season they're

00:18:36   like this is the one this is the year

00:18:37   we're gonna get it together and go all

00:18:39   the way and then yet again disappointed

00:18:42   I am simply saying I am hopeful about

00:18:45   the next phone I'm not expecting to be

00:18:48   happy okay we'll see in a in a couple

00:18:50   short months but big phones too big

00:18:53   little phones too outdated middle phone

00:18:56   both too big and too small that's the

00:18:59   situation oh and they're all made of

00:19:01   soap I've actually put a case on this

00:19:03   one believe it or not why have you put a

00:19:04   case on these phones Brady you don't

00:19:06   have to worry about dropping them at all

00:19:07   you have some kind of superpower you can

00:19:09   confidently tell ladies in the street

00:19:10   don't worry my phone it's unbroken yeah

00:19:13   but the problem is the longer that goes

00:19:15   the more disappointed I'll be when I

00:19:18   finally break one so now I'm taking

00:19:20   steps to minimize breakage so I can keep

00:19:23   your streak yeah and like not only is

00:19:25   this one soapy but because I can't hold

00:19:27   it the way I like with my safe one hand

00:19:30   one finger underneath back up mm-hmm I

00:19:32   just know that more drops are imminent

00:19:34   so need a bit of friction

00:19:36   I'm not worried Brady I have confidence

00:19:38   in you from now until the end of time no

00:19:42   broken phones

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00:21:55   so Brady last time you mentioned that

00:21:59   you'd seen the Tim's come up with a

00:22:01   bunch of words to describe their actions

00:22:03   yep there was Tim foolery yes there was

00:22:07   Tim work there was Tim work that's right

00:22:10   a bunch of these different words going

00:22:12   around that the Tim's like I've seen

00:22:13   really run with this with many different

00:22:15   variations like a thousand let a

00:22:17   thousand Tim prefixes bloom as far as

00:22:19   words or concerns seems to be what the

00:22:21   audience is done yeah and they've really

00:22:23   build with that there was like an

00:22:25   explosion of hello internet creativity

00:22:28   on the subreddit recently and I just

00:22:31   wanted to point out that related to all

00:22:32   of this one of my favorite things that a

00:22:36   user put together Monken tarus is a

00:22:40   hello Internet

00:22:42   pirate flag that I absolutely adore

00:22:45   because I think it strikes an excellent

00:22:48   balance of being adorable and

00:22:52   intimidating I just thought yay what do

00:22:56   you think of this pirate flag that the

00:22:59   Tim's have made I do like it's sort of

00:23:01   like a slightly comic Jolly Roger but

00:23:05   with a few little hello Internet

00:23:06   flourishes like the famous gray glasses

00:23:09   my kind of side pattered hair and like a

00:23:13   robotic arm and a nail instead of the

00:23:15   two crossed bones it's worth a look I'm

00:23:17   sure gray link to it in the show notes

00:23:18   and I think you're right you sum it up

00:23:20   right it's like it's the perfect mixture

00:23:22   of cute yeah it has got a slight menace

00:23:25   to it like any Jolly Roger does I've got

00:23:27   to say I really like it it seems like a

00:23:29   great little logo for Tim mischief that

00:23:32   occurs it's really greatly put together

00:23:33   this is one of the reasons why I do love

00:23:35   having the hello Internet subreddit

00:23:38   where people just post whatever they're

00:23:39   working on and I really wanted to draw

00:23:41   attention to this one because I think

00:23:42   this is one of my favorite things to

00:23:44   come out of the show artwork in quite a

00:23:47   while I really like this flag it's

00:23:48   adorable and thank you for making it and

00:23:51   I hope you guys have fun with it it's

00:23:52   hilarious it was made in the context of

00:23:54   the recent voting hijinks which we might

00:23:56   come to later in the show and for that

00:23:58   reason I like it because I I think it

00:24:00   was sort of made in the context of when

00:24:02   you see this flying like when you see

00:24:03   this coming over the horizon you know

00:24:05   something is gonna happen that's not

00:24:08   necessarily good if you don't like

00:24:10   mischief so I do I do like it as a kind

00:24:14   of a warning sign like I can just see

00:24:16   it's striking fear into the heart of

00:24:18   Wikipedia editors everywhere yeah

00:24:20   there's an armada of Tim's approaching

00:24:22   that's what it is

00:24:22   [Laughter]

00:24:25   quick serious one because I know that

00:24:28   you have been giving me a hard time

00:24:30   about basically how I'd neglected to CGP

00:24:34   grey the penguin

00:24:35   oh yes forgot about her basically until

00:24:38   we found out about her demise so I was

00:24:42   trying to make this tragic I was trying

00:24:43   to make amends for this and I contacted

00:24:45   the zoo and I said I want to know how

00:24:48   she died

00:24:48   like I want details obviously we know

00:24:52   she died on this trip there this foreign

00:24:54   trip she was going on to go to another

00:24:55   zoo mm-hmm yeah we were awaiting that

00:24:57   penguin autopsy whirring yeah so I was

00:24:59   kind of I was tenacious I was you know I

00:25:02   was reminding them I wasn't gonna let

00:25:04   this one slip through the cracks I said

00:25:07   I insisted on you know and I said okay

00:25:08   we'll have someone from like the penguin

00:25:10   office call you when we know all the

00:25:11   details so I finally got the coal but

00:25:16   the coal came like while I was on

00:25:17   holiday and having a nice time and I was

00:25:19   just about to go down to the pool and

00:25:21   like my phone rings and I'm like this is

00:25:23   I think this was when I was in Greece

00:25:24   and my phone rings and I'm like duh

00:25:25   what's this it's a Bristol number I was

00:25:27   like ah you interrupting my holiday and

00:25:29   then it was the lady sang out so-and-so

00:25:31   from Bristol Zoo I'm calling with the

00:25:33   details of the penguin death it wasn't

00:25:36   the right time for it so I ended up

00:25:38   being one of those phone calls I was

00:25:39   like yep yep yep fine appreciate that

00:25:41   thank you and now I feel like I can't

00:25:44   contact them again asking for loads more

00:25:45   detail because they code me like the

00:25:47   person called me to give me all the

00:25:48   details so I feel like I failed again

00:25:52   basically I like this because it feels

00:25:53   like what you're basically saying is I

00:25:55   didn't want this penguin death for which

00:25:57   I am responsible to be a downer on my

00:25:59   vacation that's the story that you're

00:26:01   telling me well it sounds like you're

00:26:04   the one putting words in people's mouths

00:26:06   - I would never do such a thing that's

00:26:07   that's what I did glean because there

00:26:09   was talk that maybe

00:26:10   CGP grey the lady penguin had died from

00:26:13   maybe like some kind of disease or virus

00:26:15   that exacerbated when the plane travel

00:26:18   happened but I was told that's not the

00:26:20   case the penguin just died from like the

00:26:24   stress of the plane travel there were

00:26:26   lots of penguins that did it two or

00:26:28   three died from memory oh he's bad but

00:26:31   it sounds like it was just like CGP Grey

00:26:34   Lady ping which wasn't made of a stern

00:26:36   stuff as some

00:26:37   the other ones the zoo lady also did

00:26:39   tell me like you know they're taking

00:26:41   lessons from this and other measures are

00:26:43   going to be implemented to make sure

00:26:45   nothing like this can happen again

00:26:48   so CTP gray the lady penguin did not die

00:26:50   in vain it sounds a little bit like

00:26:51   you're saying that she wasn't hard as

00:26:53   nails like if she was made of sterner

00:26:55   stuff she would have survived the

00:26:56   journey is that what you're saying there

00:26:57   Brady I'm not gonna sit here on a

00:26:59   podcast and start bad-mouthing a dead

00:27:01   penguin I would never try to get you to

00:27:09   do that that would be ridiculous I'm not

00:27:11   gonna do that

00:27:11   penguin and I still feel a bit sad when

00:27:14   I think about it but I always had a

00:27:18   feeling that it was like a softer

00:27:20   penguin compared to the other ones which

00:27:21   it's you but maybe that's because I felt

00:27:23   protective of it but like if you were

00:27:25   gonna ship 20 penguins to another

00:27:28   country I felt like

00:27:30   CGP Grey Lady penguin might be the one

00:27:32   that would have struggled and it turns

00:27:34   out that was true well I mean this is

00:27:36   the thing with most animals pets in

00:27:40   particular we love them but they're all

00:27:43   just tragedies waiting to happen a

00:27:45   moment of silence for cgp grey the lady

00:27:47   penguin alright let's talk a bit about

00:27:58   shops been going to the shops lately so

00:28:03   I go to Tesco - supermarket quite a lot

00:28:04   these days like I go almost every day

00:28:07   now is like a quick shop rather than

00:28:09   doing like a one big shop I like just

00:28:10   going every day and buying two or three

00:28:11   things and we have talked about self

00:28:15   checkout before you like it and I don't

00:28:17   right I have now decided self checkout

00:28:21   at the shops I go - he's a mug's game I

00:28:25   see them queuing to use it looking for

00:28:29   the barcodes on their things and not

00:28:31   being able to find that they all look

00:28:33   miserable

00:28:33   it takes them ages and meanwhile where I

00:28:37   go there are like 20 checkouts that are

00:28:40   staffed usually there's no queue at all

00:28:42   you'll walk right up to it you don't

00:28:44   have to have a conversation if you're a

00:28:45   bit introverted you can just say hello

00:28:47   they scan your stuff they're so good at

00:28:49   it because they know

00:28:50   all the barcodes are because they've

00:28:51   seen everything before they do it for a

00:28:53   job they're way better at putting things

00:28:54   in bags than I am everything so fast and

00:28:58   now with like contactless payment like

00:29:00   the interactions even less most of the

00:29:03   time I think self checkout is bit of a

00:29:05   mug's game I keep having the feeling

00:29:08   that this is like a suburban versus

00:29:10   urban divide because you're a

00:29:13   description of this I find baffling and

00:29:16   doesn't match my experience now personal

00:29:18   preferences about which till to go aside

00:29:21   like when I think of all the

00:29:22   supermarket's I go to even the big

00:29:24   supermarkets around me that I think

00:29:26   might be more on the scale of what you

00:29:28   would find in a suburban environment

00:29:30   yeah they're always the case that it

00:29:32   looks like the lines with the actual

00:29:33   checkout people have long lines and

00:29:37   people with shopping carts filled with

00:29:39   three four five hundred items in them

00:29:42   that to me looks like boy I feel sorry

00:29:45   for you if you have to use the human

00:29:47   line because this this is the line for I

00:29:49   have a thousand things that need to be

00:29:51   checked out yeah whereas the self

00:29:52   checkout lines they're fast they're

00:29:55   faster they're smaller like they're

00:29:57   there's a bazillion machines in the same

00:29:59   amount of space that you could put like

00:30:01   a few checkout people so I feel like I

00:30:03   almost want to go with you on one of

00:30:05   your holiday excursions to pick up two

00:30:07   items at the supermarket okay and see

00:30:10   like what's the situation that Brady's

00:30:11   working with you see how the other half

00:30:12   lives

00:30:13   will arrange that I know that we must be

00:30:15   having different experiences how does

00:30:17   this country mouse go shopping that's

00:30:19   what I'm trying to find out here it

00:30:21   doesn't make any sense to me your

00:30:22   description of what's occurring but I

00:30:23   have to say while I am traditionally the

00:30:25   advocate of the old-fashioned way of

00:30:27   doing things and you are more the modern

00:30:29   man my goodness

00:30:31   contactless payment with cards what a

00:30:34   life-changing thing that is how quickly

00:30:36   I've become used to her how much I

00:30:39   resent having to even put my pin number

00:30:41   in when I'm buying things it is such a

00:30:43   wonderful innovation it's a much bigger

00:30:46   step up from going from money to pin

00:30:48   cards which is I don't think much of as

00:30:50   a step but there's a step up from

00:30:53   putting your PIN into contactless is

00:30:55   fabulous and places that don't take

00:30:57   contactless I think a barbaric and they

00:31:01   have to lift the limits on these things

00:31:02   like you know if

00:31:04   I spend 40 or 50 pounds on something

00:31:06   that's like I know you can't use

00:31:07   contactless I'm like what what are you

00:31:09   doing

00:31:10   since sane I need to use my contactless

00:31:12   I don't want to touch things I don't

00:31:14   want to press buttons I just want to do

00:31:17   the thing I think it's fabulous

00:31:19   literally just before this show was

00:31:21   starting I was running an errand to pick

00:31:22   up a few things from the local

00:31:24   supermarket for the house and the total

00:31:27   bill went over 30 pounds which at this

00:31:30   store is the limit for using contact

00:31:32   lists yeah and it was something like 33

00:31:36   pounds or like just barely over and I

00:31:39   caught myself

00:31:40   unfortunately there's no self checkout

00:31:42   at this thing I have to actually use a

00:31:44   person but I caught myself looking at

00:31:46   the guy and almost saying just wring it

00:31:49   as two separate things so I can tap

00:31:52   twice like because it's also about like

00:31:55   I don't want to touch your buttons that

00:31:58   have been touched by a thousand people

00:32:00   and the contact list is so pleasing like

00:32:03   you just Boop Bucky it just goes like I

00:32:05   use it on my phone or my watch all the

00:32:06   time it's the greatest thing in the

00:32:08   whole world I'm with you 100%

00:32:10   I absolutely love the contactless but

00:32:12   this is a case where I feel like I have

00:32:14   become so spoiled by it as well and I

00:32:18   did not realize until I had spent all of

00:32:22   this time in America this past summer

00:32:23   because in my world in all of the places

00:32:27   that I go I'm essentially 99.9% of the

00:32:30   time using contactless payment because

00:32:33   everything is under 30 or 40 pounds and

00:32:35   every single store that I go to takes it

00:32:38   and I can just use my watch or my phone

00:32:41   everywhere like I'm so ridiculously

00:32:43   spoiled and then going to America it

00:32:46   feels like stepping back in time a

00:32:48   hundred years when they ask you for your

00:32:50   signature on the card to do payments it

00:32:52   feels like why don't you bring out that

00:32:54   machine from my childhood where you like

00:32:56   put the credit card in the thing and

00:32:58   then you go over it and then I get like

00:33:02   a piece of yellow paper and you take two

00:33:04   pieces I don't even know what the hell

00:33:05   that machine is like what is this thing

00:33:07   even doing I don't understand how any

00:33:10   payment is getting processed by this

00:33:12   analogue thing yeah I never understood

00:33:14   that and you need that there rosetta

00:33:16   stone to read what's on the

00:33:18   bit of paper because it's so hard to

00:33:19   decipher I mean I guess thinking it

00:33:21   through that machine must be a

00:33:23   mechanical version of an IOU like is

00:33:26   that what those things were obviously

00:33:27   being sent off to like some head office

00:33:29   somewhere

00:33:29   how could anyone read those curb and

00:33:31   helping paper things they were awful

00:33:33   it's ridiculous but that but that's what

00:33:34   it felt like in America where I'm using

00:33:36   my card and they're like oh you have to

00:33:38   sign for this thing and I'm like

00:33:39   surprised and angry every single time

00:33:42   that I have I have to sign and the

00:33:44   signing is is also like it's just such a

00:33:46   ridiculous farce like you're not

00:33:48   checking my signature yeah right I had a

00:33:50   credit card that like four years went

00:33:53   unsigned before anybody ever commented

00:33:56   on it right like some picky rules

00:33:58   following person's like well you have to

00:34:00   sign the card but no the stuff just

00:34:01   feels it feels so arcane and so

00:34:02   ridiculous and I felt so happy coming

00:34:06   back to London and like we had

00:34:09   contactless payments everywhere

00:34:10   beep-beep-beep like it just works and

00:34:13   there's a thing in America that I don't

00:34:15   I had heard people describe but I sort

00:34:19   of didn't believe it because obviously I

00:34:21   know Americans I listen to podcasts that

00:34:24   have Americans on them and people

00:34:25   complain about these credit card

00:34:28   machines that are being rolled out in

00:34:29   America and I heard people complain

00:34:32   about them and I just like what is the

00:34:33   problem with this but there are these

00:34:35   like weird clunky gigantic credit card

00:34:39   machines that I guess are supposed to be

00:34:41   the American version of the little

00:34:43   wireless terminals that everybody in

00:34:45   Europe uses except there they're like

00:34:48   twice as big and huge and confusing and

00:34:51   what is baffling to me is that when you

00:34:54   make a successful payment they make a

00:34:56   noise like and they have like an angry

00:34:59   beeping noise which is confirmation that

00:35:03   everything went okay right it's like

00:35:05   everything's great alarm like it

00:35:06   confused me every single time I used it

00:35:08   and I was in a bunch of different places

00:35:10   in America and I came across them

00:35:12   and a whole bunch of different states I

00:35:14   was like oh ma why are you so behind the

00:35:17   times with payments like why are you so

00:35:19   bad at this there's a solution for

00:35:22   contactless new payments these little

00:35:25   machines that we use over here like why

00:35:26   don't we use these in America I don't

00:35:27   understand I don't understand it all it

00:35:29   was infuriating

00:35:31   okay people here we go I'm gonna ask you

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00:35:35   in your head no out loud because you

00:35:38   might get some funny looks

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00:35:42   automobiles do you ever walk places do

00:35:46   you ever just lay in bed at night do you

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00:37:34   them you know that bench

00:37:36   I sit on sometimes where I have lunch

00:37:38   where I was sitting a few months ago

00:37:39   when I saw like someone crash into

00:37:42   another car and try to sneak away and I

00:37:44   like

00:37:44   we've had this quandary about what do i

00:37:46   do do i dub them in do i leave a note

00:37:48   that sort of stuff you're wondering how

00:37:50   much of a Samaritan do you have to be

00:37:52   mmm is there a Good Samaritan law that

00:37:54   you need to worry about in this area

00:37:56   what is the right thing I was sitting on

00:37:58   that same bench yesterday just minding

00:38:01   my own business swinging your feet back

00:38:03   and forth eating a sandwich that's how I

00:38:05   imagined it in fact that is what I was

00:38:07   doing

00:38:08   and something caught my eye on the

00:38:12   ground a little flash of red and silver

00:38:14   glint ooh and it was a dropped these

00:38:18   occurred like a Visa debit card with

00:38:20   contactless payment and everything like

00:38:22   that and I had the person's name on it

00:38:23   it was brand-new in pristine condition

00:38:25   like it looked brand-new and the expiry

00:38:28   date was like matched the month we're in

00:38:30   so it made me think maybe it was a brand

00:38:32   new card so I picked it up and I sort of

00:38:35   looked around and there was no one

00:38:37   around so I went bought another sandwich

00:38:40   with that najin I looked around there

00:38:42   was no one around and I was like what do

00:38:44   I do like what are my responsibilities

00:38:46   here what is the right thing to do with

00:38:49   this card what would you have done

00:38:51   hmm it's one of those things that you're

00:38:54   not entirely educated about best

00:38:57   practices I'm just pausing here because

00:38:59   I feel like there is there's some

00:39:03   version of an old school teacher in my

00:39:06   head who is like well if you find a

00:39:08   thing you should take it to a police

00:39:09   station yeah I guess here's here's a

00:39:11   complication which you didn't find is

00:39:14   somebody's wallet no right just the card

00:39:17   yeah if you find somebody's wallet it

00:39:19   feels like okay I guess I'll take this

00:39:22   to the authorities yeah and the police

00:39:25   have a Lost & Found box in the station

00:39:28   yeah or they get the new guy to try to

00:39:32   track down the owner of a wallet in

00:39:34   between solving homicides like I don't

00:39:37   know what's gonna I mean to be honest if

00:39:38   I found someone's wallet I feel like I

00:39:40   would have enough information to

00:39:41   probably find that person in 10-15

00:39:44   minutes and get it back to them you know

00:39:46   I could google them or if the address

00:39:48   was nearby I could just walk to their

00:39:50   house like that seems easier in many

00:39:53   ways but yes if not I thought they would

00:39:54   take him to a police station but all I

00:39:56   had was a

00:39:57   name my you know mr. Jones and a card if

00:40:01   you have address information in the

00:40:03   wallet and that also makes it much

00:40:04   easier right that's that's a much

00:40:05   clearer thing to do

00:40:06   I don't think there's anything in my

00:40:07   wallet that actually I list my address

00:40:09   on it like if my wallet was lost someone

00:40:11   we need to take it to a police station

00:40:12   yeah you'd have a driver's license or

00:40:13   anything yeah I don't have a driver's

00:40:14   license so there's nothing in there with

00:40:16   with my address on it as far as I know

00:40:17   yeah but an individual card what we have

00:40:22   here is something that's on the spectrum

00:40:23   from how much burden do you feel versus

00:40:27   personal inconvenience yeah right and a

00:40:30   wallet feels like it's very far along

00:40:31   that spectrum of it's horrific ly

00:40:35   inconvenient for another person to lose

00:40:36   the wallet so you feel like oh I'm doing

00:40:38   a great thing by bringing the person the

00:40:40   wall I'm saving them an enormous amount

00:40:42   of here like if I happen to me I'd be

00:40:43   begging for someone to find that rather

00:40:45   than may have to deal with all of that

00:40:46   bureaucracy right but a single car yeah

00:40:50   a single card feels like it's sitting on

00:40:53   that knife's edge of is the personal

00:40:56   hassle to me worth this thing yeah or

00:40:58   like will the police officer laugh me

00:41:00   out of the station if I bring them a

00:41:02   single crap like I think they would I

00:41:04   think if I go in there officer McNulty

00:41:07   is gonna be like get the hell out of

00:41:08   here with this yeah with this credit

00:41:09   cards like why are you wasting my time I

00:41:11   just take it out of your hand and cut it

00:41:13   in half with a pair of scissors and say

00:41:14   thanks for coming that is exactly what I

00:41:15   expect would happen talking this through

00:41:17   I think that is what I would think is my

00:41:19   level of responsibility I would cut it

00:41:21   in half and leave it at that no further

00:41:24   Good Samaritan action to be required

00:41:26   than that okay the question is break

00:41:30   what did I do

00:41:30   what did you do I'm a bit reluctant to

00:41:32   say in case I broke some law or someone

00:41:34   says I shouldn't have done it well I

00:41:36   mean we cannot we can just say that this

00:41:37   is of course a fanciful story

00:41:39   it was just being told on a podcast yes

00:41:41   so there were one or two people in my

00:41:44   vicinity so I did say to them did you

00:41:46   just drop a card and if they'd said yes

00:41:48   I would have then said what's your name

00:41:49   and if they got the name right I would

00:41:51   have handed to the car what are the last

00:41:53   four did yeah but no one no one had I

00:41:56   walked into like the sandwich shop where

00:41:58   I had gotten my sandwich and I said has

00:42:00   anyone come in here saying they'd lost a

00:42:03   cut I don't know what I would have done

00:42:05   if they said yes cuz I guess I would

00:42:08   have said - have you got their details I

00:42:09   wouldn't have given it to st. people at

00:42:10   the shop

00:42:11   but they said no and the girl behind the

00:42:13   checkout said you should probably just

00:42:14   cut it in half because they probably

00:42:15   already canceled it there were two

00:42:18   restaurants right near where it had

00:42:20   dropped like a Italian restaurant and a

00:42:22   Chinese restaurant and I did think about

00:42:23   going in and asking if I should make

00:42:26   some kind of public announcement because

00:42:28   there's you know 50 or 60 people so it

00:42:30   was a good chance that the person who

00:42:31   dropped up was in the restaurant and

00:42:33   needed it to like pay for their meal or

00:42:35   something but I did feel like that was a

00:42:37   high level of disruption for maybe not

00:42:42   even success so I decided not to do that

00:42:44   what I did was I then went back to the

00:42:46   bench near where I found her

00:42:48   and I sat there for another 15 20

00:42:49   minutes just finishing my food and

00:42:51   faffing around on my phone to see if I

00:42:54   could see anyone walking around looking

00:42:55   for a card and no one no one emerged who

00:42:58   fit that description so then I went home

00:43:00   and I cut it into lots of small pieces

00:43:02   with scissors and threw it in the bin

00:43:04   you didn't shred it Brede you have a

00:43:05   shredder that can handle a credit card

00:43:07   know that a shredder I famously bought

00:43:10   right at the start of hello Internet

00:43:12   hasn't worked for about two years and I

00:43:13   haven't replaced it or fixed it it just

00:43:15   sits under my desk dormant that's very

00:43:17   sad a number of levels annoys me but I

00:43:19   yeah anyway let's not go there anyway

00:43:23   I'm much more interested in the shredder

00:43:24   underneath your desk taking up your

00:43:26   precious foot space that you haven't

00:43:28   fixed after two years it is still there

00:43:32   I do need to throw it away because I did

00:43:35   like it when I was running I just got

00:43:36   greedy and tried to put too many pieces

00:43:38   of paper in it one day

00:43:39   it jammed and like no matter what I

00:43:42   tried to do I couldn't fix it no of

00:43:44   course that's the call of the paper

00:43:45   shredder yeah I want to push it to its

00:43:47   breaking limit right you're never

00:43:48   satisfied until you get too many pieces

00:43:51   of paper five six six is for weaklings

00:43:56   what about seven seven yeah that's for

00:43:58   co-hosts why not oh yeah that's what

00:44:03   existence is for shredders it's like

00:44:06   some kind of hellish torment where no

00:44:08   matter how much they can eat like you're

00:44:09   constantly upping the spectrum of like

00:44:10   oh but you're gonna eat more until it

00:44:12   breaks I'm sorry that you broke your

00:44:14   shredder Brady I'm sorry that you had to

00:44:16   manually cut up this credit card by hand

00:44:19   it's quite pleasant cutting credit cards

00:44:20   with scissors because it's like a

00:44:21   naughty thing like it's quite fun I like

00:44:24   it I'm glad you got a naughty thrill out

00:44:27   of cutting up that credit card into

00:44:28   multiple pieces it must've been very

00:44:30   exciting for you it's quite a

00:44:31   pleasurable amount of resistance on the

00:44:34   scissors when you cut credit card to

00:44:35   like you don't normally get that level

00:44:37   of resistance on a cut it's nice

00:44:40   cutting a credit card is a nice with

00:44:41   scissors is a pleasant feeling no people

00:44:43   drop your credit cards around Brady so

00:44:47   he can get the naughty satisfaction of

00:44:49   cutting up other people's credit cards I

00:44:50   will have cut it in half before it even

00:44:51   hits the ground you'd be like wait wait

00:44:52   that's mine

00:44:53   I was bang you past the event horizon

00:44:55   you're gonna be carrying scissors to

00:44:57   that Park just just hoping just waiting

00:44:59   who knows what moral conundrum will

00:45:02   strike next on Brady's bench and you

00:45:05   know how you get those park benches

00:45:06   where it says you know Gladys and Ron

00:45:08   used to sit here and watch the Sun set

00:45:10   for 50 years maybe one day they'll put

00:45:12   like a little metal plaque on the back

00:45:13   of the bench saying this is where Brady

00:45:15   saw two cars hit and where he found a

00:45:18   credit card and like it could become

00:45:20   famous I don't know if this is a

00:45:21   national thing or if it's if it's just

00:45:23   in London but do you have those blue

00:45:24   badges that are the historical markers

00:45:27   it's more of a London thing but other

00:45:29   cities and parts of the UK do keep

00:45:31   trying to co-opt it so you do see blue

00:45:33   plaques around the place yeah there's

00:45:35   historic markers yeah that is a thing

00:45:36   that exists then where in your town

00:45:39   you're walking around there's a blue

00:45:40   plaque and it says Bobby Thorpe inton

00:45:44   the third yep writer of something you've

00:45:47   never heard of was born here yeah but

00:45:50   they're not usually as official outside

00:45:51   this is a how we could do a whole

00:45:53   podcast about blue plaques but yeah

00:45:54   there are a couple Whitney where I live

00:45:56   but they're not like officially

00:45:58   sanctioned ones well I guess where I was

00:46:00   going with this is these blue historical

00:46:03   plaques that I see all over the place in

00:46:06   London you can hardly move in London for

00:46:08   blue plaques

00:46:08   it's like wading through treacle I do

00:46:10   feel like hey guys maybe we should tone

00:46:12   it down a little bit especially there's

00:46:14   a couple that I love that aren't even

00:46:16   like oh this famous person was born here

00:46:19   there's a few that kind of make me laugh

00:46:20   every time because it's like oh this

00:46:22   person you never heard of lived in a

00:46:26   house on this site yeah from 1832 to

00:46:31   1835 yeah what is this plaque it's like

00:46:35   a Jane Austen stayed in a room in the

00:46:38   house for three hours while she was

00:46:39   smoking the second draft of Pride and

00:46:41   Prejudice yeah that's what it feels like

00:46:43   like the bar is just too low for some of

00:46:46   these things like there's too many of

00:46:47   them all over the place and I feel like

00:46:49   the number of times I have any idea who

00:46:51   the person they're referring to is is

00:46:53   very small compared to the number of

00:46:54   total plaques but I was just wondering

00:46:56   cuz we touched on the idea of Fame last

00:46:59   time now that you're talking about this

00:47:01   bench then you clearly want to be made a

00:47:05   historical object you think Brady that

00:47:10   after you're dead this is seriously yeah

00:47:14   you are

00:47:15   famous enough to get a blue plaque on

00:47:18   that bench that says this is Brady's

00:47:21   bench

00:47:21   Brady sat here eating lunch and thinking

00:47:24   about moral conundrum sometimes great I

00:47:27   can say without a shadow of a doubt that

00:47:29   I'm not famous enough to get a blue

00:47:31   plaque anywhere anything any time to do

00:47:34   with anything I've ever done I totally

00:47:36   disagree with that I think you should

00:47:38   have a blue plaque you're way more

00:47:40   famous than most of the blue plaques I

00:47:42   see where it's like oh some nobody 200

00:47:45   years ago no one's ever heard of gets a

00:47:47   blue plaque gray I can promise you in

00:47:49   two hundred years I'll be an even bigger

00:47:50   nobody I don't know man people might be

00:47:53   listening to the show in two hundred

00:47:54   years

00:47:54   well let's say let's say it's not over

00:47:57   yet I could still make that late move

00:48:00   into Test cricket and become the oldest

00:48:03   player ever to score 100 for Australia

00:48:04   yeah that's the thing that's gonna make

00:48:05   you the famous person yeah that's what's

00:48:07   gonna be it that's what I want to make

00:48:09   me a famous person no I understand that

00:48:11   Brady I understand that very clearly

00:48:13   yeah apparently you don't want to be

00:48:15   known as the mirror co-host a popular

00:48:18   podcast you want to be a man who strikes

00:48:22   out and does his own thing that's what

00:48:24   you want to be remembered for not a

00:48:26   co-host gray I want us to introduce the

00:48:29   term vice host from my position no I am

00:48:31   vetoing this is ridiculous title it

00:48:34   makes no sense for podcast co-hosts this

00:48:37   is gray the host of hello Internet and

00:48:38   I'm his vice host it's ridiculous and I

00:48:44   think it's self demeaning Brady I don't

00:48:46   agree with this I'd be quite happy to be

00:48:48   a vice host I think that's a really cool

00:48:50   name

00:48:51   like if it would be really a good

00:48:53   talking point like how many podcasts do

00:48:55   you know that have a vice host we might

00:48:57   be the first and that would make us

00:49:00   special it's like have you heard that

00:49:01   podcast they've got a host and a vice

00:49:03   host all right I'm gonna listen to that

00:49:05   just to check that out and then they'll

00:49:06   listen to me oh I thought this would be

00:49:08   boring but actually it turns out they

00:49:09   talk about blue Plex

00:49:10   penguin deaths it's really cool yeah

00:49:14   contactless payment cards that have

00:49:16   existed for two years it's brilliant

00:49:20   yeah I thought they were just a couple

00:49:22   of clowns but cutting-edge okay

00:49:24   so that'll be your blue plaque then

00:49:27   world's oldest cricketer and vice host

00:49:31   of hello internet podcasts and I sat on

00:49:33   this bench I've take that not whales I

00:49:36   was cricket at world's oldest cricketer

00:49:37   to score a hundred I have to score a

00:49:38   test century just being old is not good

00:49:41   enough I hope to score a ton it probably

00:49:44   is too late for me

00:49:45   sports-wise but you can always be the

00:49:47   world's first vice vice I host of a

00:49:49   podcast I don't like it I still don't

00:49:51   like you crazy that's out of the photo

00:49:54   now my friend I feel like I know you

00:49:55   will enough but sometimes get an idea in

00:49:58   your Brady head and there's just no

00:50:00   dislodging it this moment I'm ordering

00:50:02   the embroidered t-shirt across my back

00:50:07   in big red letters of Isis until the

00:50:13   buzz started I didn't realize how many B

00:50:16   stories were in the media every week

00:50:18   it's massive it is I feel the same way

00:50:21   like I was on Twitter earlier and I saw

00:50:23   someone had made a little logo for the

00:50:26   buzz with CGP grey like a like a cute

00:50:29   little turning a microphone into B wings

00:50:30   a little bit of a logo and I was making

00:50:33   a joke about how like everybody seems

00:50:36   really interested in all the B news but

00:50:38   like there really isn't like haha the

00:50:40   joke is over there really isn't enough B

00:50:42   news all of the time to have any kind of

00:50:45   regular segment that's the buzz and then

00:50:47   immediately people are like oh did you

00:50:50   know this week there was a million

00:50:51   dollars worth of bees stolen it a bee

00:50:53   heist like what all right and then it's

00:50:58   like oh not only was this a bee heist

00:51:00   but it's be heists our thing at least

00:51:03   stolen bees the

00:51:05   this is like a whole underground yeah

00:51:07   industry there are bay rustlers yeah I

00:51:09   know I think I can't believe like this

00:51:13   is really a thing that people go around

00:51:16   stealing bees so someone sent me this

00:51:19   article about like Fresno police

00:51:20   officers find 1 million dollars worth of

00:51:22   stolen bees in the great be heist it's

00:51:26   just it's it's crazy like the guy who

00:51:28   stole all these bees is facing 10 years

00:51:30   in prison if he's convicted yours

00:51:33   weren't even better one you've got the

00:51:34   American Bay hush there was a British

00:51:35   Bay heist as well just recently there

00:51:37   are multiple be heists going on I mean

00:51:40   of course America's be heists are bigger

00:51:42   and better than it be heist in England

00:51:44   yeah they're more small-scale here yeah

00:51:46   go big or go home with American be

00:51:49   heists yeah I guess is the way that

00:51:51   works today in The Times there was a

00:51:53   story about a new nature paper that's

00:51:55   just been published about some pesticide

00:51:57   that we all use that's devastating

00:51:59   bumblebees they found that bumble bee

00:52:02   Queens that are exposed to this New Yawk

00:52:04   denied thing a 26 percent less likely to

00:52:08   lay eggs and start a colony like how

00:52:10   detailed is that research they're like

00:52:12   exposing queen bees to this chemical and

00:52:15   then like that's detailed research they

00:52:17   go on hardcore they are going hardcore

00:52:19   and it was in The Times you know baby

00:52:21   news is big it's obviously like demand

00:52:23   for the sub editors of the newspaper

00:52:25   obviously thinking what are we going to

00:52:26   put in are we gonna put in this yet

00:52:28   another story about YouTube terrorism or

00:52:33   should we just have a break from that

00:52:34   and like put in this story about bees

00:52:36   and I put the base Torian this kind of

00:52:38   stuff is increasing like reading through

00:52:40   the bee heist news my favorite quote so

00:52:43   far is from Steve Godwin from the

00:52:46   California State Beekeepers Association

00:52:48   he says quote there used to be a code of

00:52:52   honor that you didn't mess with another

00:52:54   man's bees but the perpetrators of this

00:52:58   giant hive heist broke that code some

00:53:03   things are just wrong it's like the Wild

00:53:06   West out there with bees what's the

00:53:07   security measures one can put in place

00:53:09   to prevent ones Bay's being taken I mean

00:53:11   foolishly I would have assumed that the

00:53:13   bees themselves would be the security

00:53:14   measure you know I guess is like cattle

00:53:17   rustling

00:53:18   the bees are happy to go along with

00:53:19   somebody who's you know giving them some

00:53:22   smoke and then here they would get all

00:53:24   sleepy and you can just take them I

00:53:25   don't have any idea but I quote this guy

00:53:27   apparently the police got him in an

00:53:28   elaborate sting Jihad Brady that was

00:53:32   absolutely awful

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00:55:49   I caught up with gray and mrs. gray a

00:55:54   week ago or so was it yeah I saw you in

00:55:56   person

00:55:57   we had a lovely day together and the day

00:55:59   got off to a brilliant start because the

00:56:03   moment your wife walked in the room she

00:56:05   was carrying this incredibly huge

00:56:07   wrapped present for me wrapped in gold

00:56:10   paper with a big red bow mm-hmm I felt a

00:56:13   bit bad because like I hadn't turned up

00:56:16   with anything and you guys were

00:56:17   bestowing on me this enormous gift which

00:56:20   I have to say as one of the best wrapped

00:56:22   and ribbond gifts I've ever seen I will

00:56:26   put a picture of it wrapped in the

00:56:28   shownotes and I couldn't wait to open it

00:56:30   mm-hmm and then you guys told me I

00:56:32   couldn't open it until this episode so

00:56:35   it remains wrapped and it's sitting next

00:56:37   to me right this moment fantastic ready

00:56:39   yes we got a little gift for you huh and

00:56:43   I wanted to wait it's not little it's

00:56:47   massive you have a picture I'll put in

00:56:49   the show notes of the gifts with Audrey

00:56:52   for scale so people can immediately

00:56:54   understand how big the packages yeah but

00:56:57   yes there's a presence that we got for

00:57:00   you yeah that we wanted to have you open

00:57:03   on the show we thought would be the best

00:57:06   way to do it so we've made you wait a

00:57:09   week a suspense has been killing me has

00:57:11   it brainy hasn't actually been killing

00:57:12   you actually kind of has I've grown kind

00:57:15   of attached to it now that it's been

00:57:16   sitting in my office and cause it's so

00:57:17   such a beautiful object mm-hmm you know

00:57:19   it's big and gold with a big red sash

00:57:21   I've come to quite like it it's the

00:57:24   point where unwrapping it is gonna be

00:57:25   disappointed because the beauty of it

00:57:27   will be destroyed I'm not a very like

00:57:29   Nate and rapper either I wouldn't expect

00:57:31   you a very neat unwrapped er either I

00:57:33   figured this he'd go one of two ways

00:57:34   which is that one you would obsess over

00:57:36   what's in the box

00:57:37   hmm or two you might just totally forget

00:57:40   about it

00:57:41   did you put it in a room and it would

00:57:42   out of sight out of mind it didn't occur

00:57:44   to me that you would you would place

00:57:45   in a spot where you could see it and

00:57:47   gaze upon it all the time and then just

00:57:49   just like it as an actual object in your

00:57:51   office the only slight problem with

00:57:54   having a beautiful gold gift wrapped in

00:57:57   your office at a time that like it's not

00:57:58   Christmas and stuff like that is over

00:58:01   the past few days I've had a few people

00:58:03   visit my house like some of them have

00:58:05   been here for like extended stays as

00:58:07   well because they're like numberphile

00:58:08   guests who sometimes come here and we

00:58:10   make videos together for a day or two

00:58:11   and then they go off so all of these

00:58:14   people like when they come into my

00:58:16   office they see this wrapped gift and

00:58:18   I'm a bit worried in the back of their

00:58:20   head they've all been thinking oh I

00:58:21   wonder if that's for me is little thank

00:58:22   you for doing numberphile they never get

00:58:24   it and then I feel really guilty that

00:58:26   all these people have been coming and

00:58:27   thinking that the presents for them and

00:58:28   they they it's not it's for me if people

00:58:31   don't say anything I think you can kind

00:58:33   of assume that in the back of their mind

00:58:35   they were hoping what the gift is for

00:58:36   them cuz I don't go oh what's the gift

00:58:39   because you wouldn't say that yeah

00:58:40   exactly right like they're standing by

00:58:42   it like you know rubbing their toe into

00:58:44   the ground looking at you and going like

00:58:46   so is it time to go now that the day is

00:58:49   over

00:58:49   Oh big s I'll be here to go if there's

00:58:51   nothing else nothing else that I think

00:58:55   that's the implicit social thing that's

00:58:58   occurring there yeah feeling like it

00:58:59   gives her for them so I'm sorry about

00:59:00   that Brady maybe they just didn't notice

00:59:02   it although he's hard to miss because

00:59:03   it's gold and red it's crazy

00:59:06   so should I open up okay yes you can

00:59:09   open the gift now okay just preface yes

00:59:13   that there is some assembly required

00:59:17   just so that you know that you know that

00:59:19   going into it but yes you can open the

00:59:21   gift you can open the gift now Brady

00:59:22   okay here we go

00:59:24   oh I'm putting it on my lap and I'm

00:59:31   undoing this secure doesn't contain

00:59:35   basil yeah surprise it's a bag full of

00:59:39   live view that would make quite the

00:59:43   podcast Sigma all right I've done the

00:59:45   sides

00:59:52   Wow this is a new microphone

00:59:57   it's called Shore legend

00:59:57   it's called Shore legend

01:00:00   Darry performance 75th anniversary model

01:00:03   limited edition it's amazing looking

01:00:07   like it funnily enough it's the sort of

01:00:09   thing that I would quite like the look

01:00:11   of it's almost like the people who

01:00:12   bought it and you might taste it's

01:00:13   almost like we've been in your house and

01:00:15   know how things look again

01:00:18   top-of-the-line early 1900s

01:00:22   look for everything that's in your house

01:00:23   Brady this is gorgeous I'm actually

01:00:25   opening the box to look at the device

01:00:27   itself now this is what I was going to

01:00:28   say is what you have to understand is

01:00:31   that it is it's not just a microphone

01:00:34   that we got your Brady yeah this is a a

01:00:37   symbol of something so what I want you

01:00:40   to take a look at is the base because

01:00:43   what we got you is not just a microphone

01:00:45   but it is it is a trophy is what it is

01:00:49   Brady Wow

01:00:50   so oh wow so it's got like a numbered

01:00:54   certificate of authenticity mm-hmm so

01:00:56   like that that already it really excites

01:00:58   me and it's like wow this is amazing

01:01:03   it's in like a its own little steel

01:01:06   suitcase mm-hmm like you would see

01:01:11   someone carrying if it was like like you

01:01:13   play your head like like it should be

01:01:15   handcuffed to my wrist yeah that's

01:01:17   exactly what like that that case totally

01:01:19   looks like the case that's handcuffed to

01:01:22   a security guard kind of case so I'm

01:01:24   gonna I'm gonna undo the case now Wow

01:01:30   there's the microphone like in all

01:01:32   spongy sponginess mm-hmm

01:01:34   that's a good-looking microphone now it

01:01:38   doesn't appear the basis that looks like

01:01:40   the base is separate so I'm gonna open

01:01:41   the other box with the base in it

01:01:42   because you know it's all about the base

01:01:44   on hello Internet

01:01:47   well here's the base oh hang on no the

01:01:51   base isn't engraved there we know oh

01:01:55   well what is the base a Brady the base

01:02:01   says dr. Brady Haran radio and podcast

01:02:05   champion 2017 you're being naughty

01:02:14   we're not being Yeti because as the

01:02:18   audience already knows at this point the

01:02:21   people who follow hello internet

01:02:22   intensely now you won the internet radio

01:02:28   competition podcast voting extravaganza

01:02:32   that the Radio Times put on we were

01:02:34   discussing in the last episode yes you

01:02:37   won that you won that by an enormous

01:02:40   amount and what was there from the Radio

01:02:44   Times not but silence and my wife and I

01:02:50   thought that's not the kind of respect

01:02:52   and acknowledgement that dr. Brady Haran

01:02:54   deserves we need to give him a trophy to

01:02:59   embody this accomplishment and this

01:03:02   award that Brady has won so my wife went

01:03:05   out on the Internet's and we decided to

01:03:09   find a trophy for Brady and there was

01:03:13   nothing that was up to what we thought

01:03:15   would be the magnificent standard that

01:03:18   you deserve so we found this

01:03:20   limited-edition microphone and we got it

01:03:23   engraved in London and the base so this

01:03:26   is the trophy to represent your triumph

01:03:29   in podcasting Brady well I feel like I

01:03:33   should make a short speech I would just

01:03:37   like to say this is not just a victory

01:03:39   for me mm-hmm

01:03:40   this is a victory for my co-host

01:03:46   although he fell in the battle and was

01:03:49   not able to make it all the way to the

01:03:50   final stages I felt like he was with me

01:03:53   in spirit and he was certainly with me

01:03:56   on Twitter

01:03:56   [Laughter]

01:03:58   I was with you on Twitter every step of

01:04:00   the way buddy but also this is not about

01:04:03   me mm-hmm no and this is not a victory

01:04:05   for me this is a victory for the Tim's

01:04:07   and I mean that quite literally because

01:04:11   as we were discussed early they pretty

01:04:13   much did it and I was a slightly

01:04:16   confused and bemused passenger for their

01:04:21   mischief-making but before we talk about

01:04:24   this vote and how it came to be that I

01:04:26   am the Radio Times rarely on podcast

01:04:29   champion and we will talk about it

01:04:30   because it was fascinating and also I

01:04:33   need some of it explain to me there is a

01:04:35   group of people I want to thank and

01:04:38   these are not the people who are

01:04:39   responsible for the victory really but

01:04:43   they actually are a really sizable group

01:04:44   and that is the group of people that sat

01:04:48   at their computer and just clicked on a

01:04:51   button and refresh the page and waited

01:04:54   and click the button again and then

01:04:56   wouldn't had a coffee and click the

01:04:57   button again and I had like some friends

01:04:59   that dinner and like some friends wives

01:05:02   and people like that who were oblivious

01:05:04   to the technological firestorm that was

01:05:09   taking place behind the scenes on both

01:05:10   sides even people who were aware we're

01:05:13   still participating there were many a

01:05:14   manual vote cast in the gray household

01:05:16   for Brady I'll tell you them yes and

01:05:18   there are lots of people who used the

01:05:21   conventional way of mallets died think

01:05:23   of just voting over and over again on

01:05:26   their computer I seriously want to thank

01:05:27   them because some people like spent a

01:05:29   lot of time doing and it was really

01:05:31   sweet like Alan who famously composed

01:05:33   the hello internet jingle mm-hmm it'll

01:05:36   sound at the side of a show called me up

01:05:37   and said oh my wife and I so happy that

01:05:39   you weren't my wife like stayed up

01:05:41   really late and was sitting in bed

01:05:42   voting for you lots and lots of times

01:05:44   and then I sort of said to him like you

01:05:46   realized like that was quite a lot of

01:05:48   other stuff going on and he was like I

01:05:49   didn't I had no idea like so there are

01:05:52   lots of people who were just like really

01:05:54   sweet voting the old-fashioned way and

01:05:56   like that means a lot like you know the

01:06:00   whole thing doesn't mean anything cause

01:06:01   they silly vote but I want to thank

01:06:04   those people because they're like you

01:06:06   know they're old school I guess we'd

01:06:07   better talk about what happened in this

01:06:09   vote and discuss a few things about it

01:06:11   because

01:06:11   it had quite the conclusion let's talk

01:06:13   about that vote just to finish my speech

01:06:16   thank you to gray and mrs. gray because

01:06:18   this is actually a really lovely thing

01:06:20   you've given me as well like actually

01:06:21   does mean a lot to me so thank you very

01:06:23   much and I will thank her in person

01:06:25   that's well again we know physical

01:06:28   objects mean a lot to you Brady

01:06:30   we wanted you to have an embodiment of

01:06:32   this tremendous thing that we have all

01:06:35   gone through together as a big hello

01:06:39   internet group I mean should I use this

01:06:40   microphone now as my podcasting

01:06:42   microphone or should I put it on my

01:06:43   little shelf where I have like my

01:06:44   favorite because I do have three or four

01:06:46   trophies that means so much to me I do

01:06:48   have them on display so I could put that

01:06:50   up there on my little my mantle of Fame

01:06:52   this is 100% up to you it serves either

01:06:56   as a trophy or it can be a hell of an

01:06:58   Internet microphone it is a working

01:07:00   microphone it is a limited edition

01:07:01   working microphone so it looks like the

01:07:03   bangs nice to be honest

01:07:04   however it's your trophy now it is in

01:07:06   your hands

01:07:07   however it best serves you baby I just

01:07:09   don't want to sully it it's so lovely

01:07:10   like I don't want to scratch it and

01:07:12   knock it but maybe that will add you

01:07:14   know charm to it if it's like you used

01:07:16   in battle like it will increase its

01:07:18   value if hello Internet episodes were

01:07:20   actually recorded on it it's up to you

01:07:23   man it's up to you all right all right

01:07:25   so let me very quickly recap what

01:07:28   happened for people who are smart enough

01:07:30   to have taken absolutely no interest in

01:07:32   this debacle that happened a few weeks

01:07:34   ago now just before you even begin with

01:07:36   this like I just have to say I love kind

01:07:39   of sometimes getting involved in these

01:07:41   sort of silly internet things it really

01:07:43   is fun to let yourself get like swept

01:07:46   away in an event like this something

01:07:48   like that just really heightens the

01:07:50   feeling of even like you were saying

01:07:52   with with Alan and his wife who were

01:07:53   voting for you in the election that

01:07:56   people are just unaware of like to us

01:07:59   what seemed like this incredible

01:08:01   all-consuming Malstrom for a weekend

01:08:03   yeah there's Twitter and this

01:08:05   coordination on reddit and there's

01:08:06   messages going back and forth where I am

01:08:08   in and it's like this is this flurry of

01:08:10   activity that seems so all-consuming

01:08:13   which you realize is like just one of

01:08:15   like an infinite number of internet

01:08:17   maelstroms that are occurring and every

01:08:19   corner of the globe right it's like

01:08:21   outside of this world totally

01:08:24   meaningless

01:08:25   inside of this world to a sub community

01:08:28   all consuming like 40 points in 72 hours

01:08:32   I have followed no election in my life

01:08:36   more closely than this way so I'll give

01:08:39   like a brief summary of what I think

01:08:41   happened you can you can explain some of

01:08:43   it to me and tell me the parts of it

01:08:45   that tickled your fancy so last time

01:08:47   people listened if they listened to the

01:08:49   last episode they'll know the radio

01:08:50   times around this pole for their radio

01:08:53   and podcast champion they ran all

01:08:55   different polls for different categories

01:08:57   like TV stars and comedians and there

01:08:59   was a radio and podcast section there

01:09:01   was a huge big thing very elaborate with

01:09:03   all different groups and a knockout

01:09:05   section and it got to a point where I

01:09:07   was in this quarter-final up against

01:09:10   this guy called Steve Allen who gray and

01:09:13   I thought was a bit dismissive of us

01:09:14   within wait so we we sort of caused a

01:09:17   call to arms to try and win the vote let

01:09:19   me win the vote against this guy and

01:09:21   that's how the last podcast ended and we

01:09:26   deliberately released that podcast after

01:09:28   all the voting was over because we

01:09:29   didn't we didn't want to be seen to be

01:09:30   like you know getting involved

01:09:32   well at least via the back up that

01:09:36   phrasing we thought it would be better

01:09:38   to drop the episode after results were

01:09:41   closed yeah I mean releasing the podcast

01:09:43   to like you know 900 thousand downloads

01:09:45   whatever felt a bit like we'd be

01:09:46   bringing a gun to a knife fight

01:09:48   so it was like let's just do it they do

01:09:50   this the old-fashioned way

01:09:51   mmm-hmm so I won this vote against the

01:09:54   Steve Allen and I had said on the

01:09:56   podcast that was it this is a

01:09:58   meaningless silly vote to just drive

01:09:59   clicks to their website and increase

01:10:01   their advertising and I said I'm gonna

01:10:04   have anything more to do with it I want

01:10:05   to just jump in here as well that I to

01:10:08   at this point felt satiated in this

01:10:12   internet's kerfuffle I think my exact

01:10:15   words were that I wanted I wanted your

01:10:17   opponent crushed into the ground yeah I

01:10:19   feel like that was in internet terms

01:10:21   accomplished it was victory and I felt

01:10:24   like ah okay catharsis

01:10:26   it's all over oh good oh good so in the

01:10:30   semi-final I was paired up with someone

01:10:32   called lilah Parsons who is a DJ and a

01:10:35   TV presenter and a model and obvious

01:10:39   very talented and successful but it

01:10:41   turns out I won that vote as well I

01:10:43   didn't even follow that vote really but

01:10:45   it turns out I won that vote and that

01:10:47   put me into the final and the final was

01:10:50   against funnily enough a colleague a

01:10:52   radio colleague of Steve Allen like a

01:10:54   co-presenter on the same station threw

01:10:57   like mates and I was in the final

01:10:59   against him and he had taken an interest

01:11:01   in this whole vote and had been tweeting

01:11:04   about it and encouraging people to vote

01:11:05   now out of kind of respect I kind of

01:11:09   looked him up and who he was and found

01:11:11   out a bit about him and I listened to

01:11:12   his show and I just want to say from the

01:11:13   outset I quite like this guy like I

01:11:16   listened to his show a couple of times

01:11:17   I've read some of the stuff he writes he

01:11:20   seems reasonably like-minded to me on

01:11:22   some issues a lot of people who follow

01:11:24   it hello internet like him I found out

01:11:26   there was a lot of crossover seems of

01:11:28   sound guy and also before the vote

01:11:31   started he even tweeted me and like said

01:11:33   you know good luck mate haha and I sort

01:11:35   of tweeted back so no issues with this

01:11:37   guy at all sound guy everything's good

01:11:40   yeah so the vote started and there was a

01:11:44   bit of to and fro early and I think he

01:11:46   had a lead but what happened then was

01:11:48   the Tim's took over at this point and

01:11:52   they got really really into it and I

01:11:55   want to say Radio Times was really

01:11:57   whipping this up into a frenzy there

01:11:59   article and their website said in the

01:12:01   blue corner and in the red corner and

01:12:03   they all the way through the whole thing

01:12:04   they were tweeting about it all the time

01:12:06   they were inciting people to vote they

01:12:08   were using language that like made it

01:12:10   sound like a real war they were using

01:12:12   language like rally the troops oh yeah

01:12:14   they specifically said on their website

01:12:16   and in multiple places vote as many

01:12:18   times as you want vote often because I

01:12:20   think they wanted people to continually

01:12:22   refresh the pages and up their ad

01:12:24   impression exactly yeah that that's 100%

01:12:26   what it was I realized they were they

01:12:28   were retweeting everything that they

01:12:30   possibly could that was related to these

01:12:33   internet fights they were whipping it up

01:12:35   they were really whipping it up

01:12:37   so the Tim's took the gauntlet now I

01:12:39   decided to stay out of it that was my

01:12:41   decision I wasn't going to tweet about

01:12:42   it I wasn't going to get involved in the

01:12:45   end my only policy was to retweet

01:12:47   whenever this James O'Brien tweeted so

01:12:49   if he ever said come on everyone that's

01:12:51   vote lots of times

01:12:52   just retweet his thing and let people

01:12:54   decide what to do but the Tim's the

01:12:57   Tim's got really into it they created

01:12:59   this like battle command station on

01:13:01   River on a reddit thread where they

01:13:04   coordinated in ways that I still don't

01:13:06   understand

01:13:07   they were clearly using automated voting

01:13:09   and BOTS and things like that they were

01:13:12   creating pages where the voting could be

01:13:14   done automatically by your computer and

01:13:16   clearly a kind of arms war started

01:13:19   because James O'Brien fans who I want to

01:13:22   point out were doing the same thing and

01:13:23   I have lots of evidence they were doing

01:13:25   the same thing and the vote wouldn't

01:13:26   have been as close as it was if they

01:13:27   weren't doing the same thing but the

01:13:29   James some of the more old-fashioned

01:13:31   James O'Brien fans started crying foul

01:13:34   and because this was the teams were

01:13:36   doing this so openly they were doing on

01:13:38   reddit they were explaining their

01:13:39   tactics so that other people could do it

01:13:41   it was a real public communal effort

01:13:43   there wasn't it wasn't clandestine yeah

01:13:44   that's why the James O'Brien fans was

01:13:46   stealing all the technology and codes

01:13:48   that they were finding and using it to

01:13:50   vote for their guy so it was very open

01:13:52   but like the more old-fashioned fans of

01:13:55   James O'Brien probably a more typical

01:13:56   Radio Times readers I think when they

01:13:59   found this thread thought they'd found

01:14:01   something from like the dark web or

01:14:02   something some great secret yeah and

01:14:04   they were then tweeting it and sending

01:14:06   it to Radio Times going look what's

01:14:07   going on this cheating and they started

01:14:09   crying foul and they started saying some

01:14:11   like inflammatory things like I'm gonna

01:14:12   you know cancel my subscription and this

01:14:15   whole thing's corrupt and they got

01:14:16   really upset because their beloved radio

01:14:18   presenter looked like he might lose the

01:14:20   vote and at that point Radio Times were

01:14:23   like oh my god what have we done we've

01:14:26   created a monster yeah there was

01:14:28   definitely a tonal shift from Radio

01:14:30   Times they went deadly silent on the

01:14:33   whole thing they never said or tweeted

01:14:34   another word they still haven't to this

01:14:36   day even though they're happy tweeting

01:14:38   about other winners they went completely

01:14:39   silent but they obviously started trying

01:14:43   to implement technological solutions

01:14:45   like at one point they introduced

01:14:47   captures to stop people from using the

01:14:50   automated process but when they did that

01:14:52   yeah the lead I had actually started

01:14:53   increasing which makes me think maybe I

01:14:55   had more manual voters then than the

01:14:57   other guy I want to just point out a

01:15:00   couple things as we're going along this

01:15:01   along this road here right because yes

01:15:03   automated voting started

01:15:05   happening and and escalating at a rate

01:15:08   that almost felt like there's like

01:15:09   there's a self-learning artificial

01:15:11   intelligence here that is pulling apart

01:15:12   everything everything that has anything

01:15:15   to do with how the entire system works

01:15:17   and cranking out every advantage that

01:15:20   there could possibly be it's like yeah

01:15:21   it was very interesting to see in the

01:15:23   reddit threads slightly terrifying to

01:15:25   see what the audience can do if it could

01:15:28   it's like yeah Jesus Christ like I'd

01:15:31   like these guys might be rigging real

01:15:32   elections right it was it was amazing it

01:15:35   was very impressive what I really liked

01:15:37   is someone put together a data

01:15:39   visualization of the percentage win over

01:15:42   time which made it much easier to follow

01:15:44   the election this is like you know if I

01:15:46   was if I was the kind of person who

01:15:47   follow a real election you'd be checking

01:15:49   updates in the like the polls of the of

01:15:52   the predicted wins of candidates you

01:15:54   know once a day when the news publishes

01:15:56   it but like there's a graph that's

01:15:57   updating every 5 seconds with what the

01:15:59   current exact tenth of a percentage edge

01:16:01   is technology the technology was amazing

01:16:04   there's a few things about I want to

01:16:05   come to yeah it was really interesting

01:16:06   to follow like I kept refreshing the

01:16:08   graphs and seeing how things were going

01:16:09   and once the graph existed you could see

01:16:13   more clearly that at some point as the

01:16:17   bots were introduced it became entirely

01:16:20   about war because the graph just ended

01:16:23   up being just too smooth right like when

01:16:25   humans are voting it was much more spiky

01:16:28   but then at a point when you have BOTS

01:16:30   that are voting whatever it was like

01:16:31   hundreds and hundreds of times a second

01:16:33   yeah and you have BOTS on both sides

01:16:35   voting it ends up becoming like a smooth

01:16:38   curve because you're just looking at the

01:16:40   difference between the bots on either

01:16:42   side and this is where I would have paid

01:16:46   so much money to know what was going on

01:16:48   inside Radio Times headquarters because

01:16:51   they obviously built a clique machine

01:16:55   like they wanted this to be a bring your

01:16:59   audience

01:17:00   bring advertising revenue to us click

01:17:02   machine for Radio Times own benefit and

01:17:06   much like a shredder in which you keep

01:17:08   shoving in more paper until it breaks

01:17:11   this felt like the same thing like Radio

01:17:13   Times you want votes you're gonna get

01:17:16   votes you're gonna get millions and

01:17:19   millions of votes you're going to get

01:17:21   more votes than there ever will be

01:17:24   people in the universe like I wouldn't

01:17:26   be the least bit surprised if in the end

01:17:29   the results on that final vote were in

01:17:33   the billions like on either side I made

01:17:36   the percentages public but they didn't

01:17:37   make the number of votes public they

01:17:39   didn't make the number of votes public

01:17:40   you could only you can only see the

01:17:41   percentages so for me again it's like

01:17:44   just like in the the first round where

01:17:47   it's like Oh la-dee-da isn't this fun

01:17:49   and then I got angry when Steve Allen

01:17:52   tweeted the kind of dismissive of you

01:17:54   tweet like please vote for me over this

01:17:56   like I have never heard of thing then I

01:17:58   got riled up I was having the same

01:18:00   feeling with the later rounds at the

01:18:01   election like oh isn't this a kind of

01:18:04   fun thing to follow over the weekend

01:18:05   like let's see if Brady wins oh it's

01:18:07   it's now become a bot war like it

01:18:09   obviously would like lol it's hilarious

01:18:11   but then the thing that you just

01:18:13   mentioned is where once again I felt

01:18:16   myself turned from like happy fun gray

01:18:20   into like furious gray and it was when

01:18:24   very obviously someone at the Radio

01:18:28   Times was looking at the numbers looking

01:18:30   at the monster that they themselves have

01:18:34   summoned from the internet and they

01:18:36   wanted to turn it off right they wanted

01:18:38   to stop it and so they introduced the

01:18:41   CAPTCHA so the CAPTCHAs are those those

01:18:44   words you have to type in to prove that

01:18:46   you are not a robot right or that the

01:18:49   pictures that you have to click but they

01:18:50   were they were using like a

01:18:51   bargain-basement word CAPTCHA as the

01:18:54   thing that they were using to try to

01:18:56   determine that they were actually humans

01:18:57   voting this to me was when it's like oh

01:19:01   okay I see what's going on here you now

01:19:05   you've set up your dopey election which

01:19:07   has dumb rules in the first place where

01:19:09   you can vote as many times as you want

01:19:11   because it's not really an election it's

01:19:13   an impressions generating machine for

01:19:15   you now this has gotten out of control

01:19:17   because you radio times probably have

01:19:19   like actual people on the radio being

01:19:22   quite annoyed with you and your position

01:19:24   as you're trying to be like this thing

01:19:27   that radio people might care about so

01:19:29   like they suddenly found themselves in

01:19:30   awkward position

01:19:31   yeah

01:19:32   I do people didn't seem to take it as

01:19:33   quite the joke we did no and I think

01:19:36   obviously you know core business for

01:19:38   Radio Times is probably radio these

01:19:39   people probably buy ads in their

01:19:41   magazine they pay to have their listings

01:19:43   on there so the people they were pissing

01:19:45   off and the people who were losing

01:19:46   suddenly right would like the people who

01:19:48   actually put bread on the table and the

01:19:50   podcasters who they don't really care

01:19:52   about and they just put in there to try

01:19:53   and up their clicks by getting people

01:19:55   with like Twitter followers we're

01:19:56   suddenly winning and they're like oh no

01:19:58   this is the structural problem they have

01:20:00   is like this is why like it started to

01:20:02   get into my brain like it makes me mad

01:20:04   about the whole system because like you

01:20:05   obviously included podcasters in some of

01:20:08   these polls because you wanted to bring

01:20:09   in like those juicy juicy Internet

01:20:11   clicks but it's like none of these

01:20:13   people are your business you don't

01:20:15   actually want any of the podcasters to

01:20:17   win and we know that's the case because

01:20:21   like you said when they introduced the

01:20:22   CAPTCHA it actually made things worse

01:20:25   because like you said so many people

01:20:28   were manually voting for you from hello

01:20:31   internet versus the number of people

01:20:32   voting for the radio people that when

01:20:34   they introduced the CAPTCHA for a couple

01:20:36   of hours you could see on the graph that

01:20:37   is like your lead just kept increasing

01:20:40   even faster than without and so after a

01:20:43   couple of hours they pulled the CAPTCHA

01:20:44   and that was when is like my blood is

01:20:47   now boiling it's like oh okay

01:20:48   you're just being really open about this

01:20:50   banana republic that you're running over

01:20:52   here right like okay if you're gonna put

01:20:55   the CAPTCHA on and then you're gonna

01:20:56   take it away because you're obviously

01:20:58   trying to monkey with the results to get

01:21:00   the thing that is financially in your

01:21:03   own best interest like why don't you

01:21:04   just make up the results at this point

01:21:06   like this whole thing was a ridiculous

01:21:07   Sharad like before it even began now you

01:21:10   have made it into like an even more

01:21:12   ridiculous thing that the person who

01:21:15   clearly has more people manually voting

01:21:19   for him like you kind of wanted to have

01:21:21   happen in the first place but you don't

01:21:23   want him to win so you're switching it

01:21:25   back hoping that the radio personalities

01:21:28   bots will somehow win or that it won't

01:21:31   be such an incredibly crushing defeat if

01:21:33   you have the bots fighting it out versus

01:21:35   having the actual people fighting it out

01:21:36   so it made me furious to see this

01:21:39   election where they wanted to change the

01:21:40   rules to get the result they want and

01:21:42   when it wasn't working and it was

01:21:43   actually worse for them to like whoop I

01:21:45   guess we'll go back to

01:21:45   the other way and like change it back so

01:21:47   the whole thing was just ridiculous but

01:21:50   my like my blood was boiling after the

01:21:52   CAPTCHA incidents in this election it's

01:21:54   like my it's still like it still riles

01:21:56   me up that's when you started

01:21:57   marshalling a few troops and started

01:21:59   encouraging people on Twitter because I

01:22:01   was trying to be like president you know

01:22:03   and like stay out of it and I never

01:22:05   linked to anything that encouraged

01:22:08   multiple voting either manually or

01:22:10   automatically I was trying to rise above

01:22:13   it but then you energized and already

01:22:15   very energetic group my feeling of it

01:22:18   was like Radio Times you made me do this

01:22:20   like I didn't want to do this but you

01:22:22   made me do it because after the the

01:22:25   quarterfinals with Steve Allen when you

01:22:27   won I felt like oh we're done and this

01:22:29   is just a fun thing to follow and see

01:22:31   what happens over the weekend but after

01:22:32   the capture thing it was like no Brady

01:22:34   has to win this like I'm like I'm gonna

01:22:36   come in on Twitter and try to make sure

01:22:38   that like push as much as I can like I

01:22:40   want this thing to go a particular way

01:22:42   because Radio Times is like shown their

01:22:44   hand with this vote manipulation that

01:22:48   they wanted to have happen but didn't

01:22:49   happen you want to blow past the capture

01:22:51   thing like but if it's like to me this

01:22:53   was like that one of the major events in

01:22:54   the great election of 2017 well there's

01:22:57   a few other things I want to ask you

01:22:58   about and talk about but just to kind of

01:23:00   finish the the emotional story first I

01:23:02   didn't want to care but as you have

01:23:04   pointed out I have like this naturally

01:23:05   competitive you know streak like most

01:23:08   Australians I didn't want to win because

01:23:10   it would be a little bit embarrassing

01:23:12   but I also really didn't want to lose so

01:23:15   it got to a point where I was really

01:23:16   like consumed by it but trying not to be

01:23:19   and I kept I would look at the numbers

01:23:21   and like I would see myself like going

01:23:24   up and holding a lead but as the O'Brien

01:23:26   fans got more savvy with the automated

01:23:27   voting sometimes he would claw back some

01:23:29   ground

01:23:30   and I'd be thinking that's it I'm gonna

01:23:31   lose now this is the start of the

01:23:33   precipice and it's all gonna end and I

01:23:35   would you know and it got to a point

01:23:36   where I was so like worked up about it

01:23:38   over days because they made the final

01:23:41   last more days this is a prelim the

01:23:43   cruelty and their revenue of course it

01:23:44   got to a point where I was like just

01:23:46   going for walks like I would just go for

01:23:48   a walk out flight to the sea so that I

01:23:50   didn't have to think about it and like

01:23:53   then I would get my phone out just

01:23:55   quickly check the score

01:23:56   gone down another point one of a percent

01:23:58   and when whenever a trend started it

01:24:00   would continue you know you would drop a

01:24:02   you know a point one of a percent every

01:24:04   minute and then someone else would do

01:24:05   something technological and it would it

01:24:07   would change so anyway I decided I

01:24:10   thought the best thing for me would be

01:24:11   to win but to win narrowly so that

01:24:13   everyone saved face but that's not what

01:24:16   happened no and I ended up winning about

01:24:18   80% but never a word was spoken about it

01:24:22   by Radio Times they like they completely

01:24:24   disowned the whole thing which is again

01:24:26   exactly exactly shows you that this is

01:24:28   not what they wanted on all of the other

01:24:30   things they're very happy to promote the

01:24:32   winners and then suddenly this is like

01:24:33   silence I'm kind of a little bit glad

01:24:36   because like if they'd made a big deal

01:24:38   about it and stirred it up again then

01:24:41   all the O'Brien fans would have come

01:24:42   back online and said that it was a farce

01:24:44   and that would have all and that would

01:24:45   have riled me up again and it would have

01:24:46   riled you up and I just wouldn't I'm

01:24:48   quite happy for it to sort of just fade

01:24:51   a little bit out of existence but still

01:24:53   happy to of won and like to have my

01:24:55   trophy from you and mrs. gray but there

01:24:57   are a few things that I observed and

01:25:00   liked about it and a few questions I've

01:25:01   come out with mm-hmm

01:25:03   first is I said thank you to the people

01:25:06   who like voted manually but also thank

01:25:09   you to the people who did all this

01:25:10   technological stuff because like it was

01:25:14   awesome like they were awesome and it

01:25:15   was really interesting to watch as like

01:25:18   an outsider all the discussions they

01:25:20   were having and all the tactics they

01:25:21   were coming up with and all the things

01:25:23   they were doing and like the camaraderie

01:25:25   they were having and like the two camps

01:25:27   of like nailing gear and flag a flag got

01:25:30   together to work together for others

01:25:31   laughs so there was a it had a real fun

01:25:34   spirit to it and I've got a few friends

01:25:35   who are like just casual hello internet

01:25:38   observers and they went and had a look

01:25:40   at like that subreddit what was going on

01:25:42   and they said to me afterwards I didn't

01:25:44   realize like hello Internet had so much

01:25:46   like law about it like so many in jokes

01:25:50   and so many things and like all of that

01:25:52   stuff really bubbled to the surface in a

01:25:53   really fun way on that subreddit I did

01:25:56   enjoy that but an important question is

01:25:58   I'm not going to say is this cheating

01:26:00   because I think that's not even a valid

01:26:02   question it's not cheating because it's

01:26:04   not prohibited in the rolls but the

01:26:07   thing is is that morally right

01:26:09   and if you think it's morally shady to

01:26:12   be winning the election this way isn't

01:26:15   any more morally shady than auntie Doris

01:26:18   who likes listening to the radio sitting

01:26:20   there with a cup of coffee and the lamp

01:26:21   clicking over and over again because

01:26:24   they were told to you know with a sore

01:26:26   finger clicking a thousand times like is

01:26:28   that more legitimate than the people who

01:26:30   say well I'm not gonna get a sore finger

01:26:32   when I can just automate this mm-hmm

01:26:34   like are there moral shades here is it

01:26:36   the wrong thing is it the right thing

01:26:38   what do you think about that

01:26:39   I have zero moral qualms about this

01:26:41   whatsoever right Radio Times asked for

01:26:44   as many votes as humans could give them

01:26:47   and just panicked when when more votes

01:26:51   were being shoved down their throats

01:26:52   than they expected right but I don't

01:26:54   think there's a moral problem with this

01:26:56   that's why again like there's something

01:26:58   about this in my mind that it's just

01:26:59   like like a perfect little storm of

01:27:01   antagonism is a vote that is so

01:27:05   obviously intentionally set up to be an

01:27:09   illegitimate vote by an organization

01:27:12   that is sort of pretending like it's a

01:27:14   real thing you're taking a bit of shine

01:27:16   off this trophy right now by the way

01:27:17   great this is why I wanted to get you

01:27:21   this trophy is I think like the trophy

01:27:24   is a manifestation of like the thing

01:27:27   that the hello Internet audience did

01:27:29   that's my question is what did this vote

01:27:32   measure because it hasn't voted who's a

01:27:34   better radio presenter or podcaster or

01:27:36   champion of anything in terms of us as

01:27:38   individuals like me or James O'Brien or

01:27:40   Steve Allen or anyone what has this vote

01:27:43   established has established that hello

01:27:45   Internet listeners are the most

01:27:46   technologically savvy and determined or

01:27:49   has established that there's a size of

01:27:52   them what do you think this vote has has

01:27:55   established what has been won I think

01:27:57   what has been won is a kind of audience

01:28:00   intensity I think that's what has been

01:28:03   established here this is why I have such

01:28:05   a fun feeling about this meeting 'less

01:28:08   vote because of precisely what you were

01:28:10   saying before that it was enjoyable and

01:28:13   engaging to see everybody on the

01:28:18   subreddit like working toward a thing

01:28:21   yeah and working toward a thing in

01:28:23   complicated intricate manner one of the

01:28:27   things that that was happening just

01:28:28   before the Radio Times turned off the

01:28:31   CAPTCHA so like it was a couple of hours

01:28:33   in but there was like 30 minutes before

01:28:35   they actually ended up shining a thing

01:28:36   off was people who didn't have technical

01:28:39   skills were asking like oh what can I do

01:28:40   to help in addition to just manually

01:28:43   voting someone was was essentially

01:28:45   running the CAPTCHA through like a

01:28:46   Mechanical Turk system so that people

01:28:48   could decode what the words were and

01:28:50   then have a bot do the other parts of

01:28:53   doing the voting automatically it's like

01:28:55   they just got that system set up like

01:28:57   right before the CAPTCHA got shut down

01:28:58   that was the equivalent of Internet

01:29:00   users saying like and you have my axe

01:29:03   right like I don't I don't have

01:29:04   programming skills but like what else

01:29:06   can I bring to this table the hell yeah

01:29:07   and people building a system so that

01:29:09   there was something that was that was

01:29:11   there to help so I think it's a real

01:29:14   indicator of audience intensity and

01:29:17   interest that's why like when the Radio

01:29:20   Times doubled down on their silence it

01:29:22   felt even more intense to me like there

01:29:25   needs to be some acknowledgment of this

01:29:27   that's why this trophy exists right is

01:29:30   like hey Radio Times you thought you

01:29:32   were doing something you were not

01:29:34   remotely doing what you thought you were

01:29:36   doing something far more interesting

01:29:39   happened around this that's what this

01:29:42   trophy is about there Brady it was just

01:29:45   a very very fun and interesting weekend

01:29:48   and terrifyingly impressive to see what

01:29:52   an internet community can do so I guess

01:29:55   the next big question is when they do it

01:29:58   again next year and I think they will

01:30:00   because it seems to be something they're

01:30:01   quite proud of will you and I be put in

01:30:04   I mean I'm the defending champion you

01:30:07   know ad you are the defending champion

01:30:09   it wouldn't outrageous not included next

01:30:13   year it would be interesting to see how

01:30:15   they conduct the vote next year I

01:30:17   imagine it would be different it would

01:30:18   also be really interesting if next year

01:30:20   we were both put in because this kind of

01:30:22   slipped under the radar before the teams

01:30:24   were really onto it and you got knocked

01:30:26   out by the very zealous Steve Allen fans

01:30:28   before you know without us rallying the

01:30:31   troops so if you if this time we were

01:30:33   ready and troops were bradleyt before

01:30:35   the vote

01:30:36   you know we could get our long-awaited

01:30:37   showdown no no is I don't want there to

01:30:40   be a showdown I can click I will promote

01:30:43   no poles until after I have been

01:30:46   eliminated that is my policy so that's

01:30:50   the way that's gonna work I want to win

01:30:52   these things but when I won it was so

01:30:54   sweet I was like I saw some of the light

01:30:57   like teams and that was saying this is

01:30:58   so great that we're really pleased I

01:31:00   wonder if they're gonna do like a

01:31:01   magazine spread with Braley and an

01:31:03   interview and like I think they

01:31:05   genuinely thought like I was you know so

01:31:07   I have seen someone mock up a cover of

01:31:09   Radio Times with me on the cover

01:31:11   I think they genuinely thought like you

01:31:12   know there would be some celebration of

01:31:14   the wind as opposed to the Stoney Stoney

01:31:17   cold silence that it's been met by yeah

01:31:19   well again if it was how could we phrase

01:31:21   this a more legitimately intended poll

01:31:25   like yeah of course they would have some

01:31:27   some kind of photo shoot with Brady

01:31:29   you know you and Audrey they'd have

01:31:32   pictures the trophy my new trophy like

01:31:34   just lounging with the trophy yeah a

01:31:36   trophy they do all this kind of stuff

01:31:37   but of course no absolute silence on

01:31:39   their end but again that that's why

01:31:40   that's why you needed you needed a

01:31:42   physical tangible symbol of this thing

01:31:45   Brady this thing we will never forget

01:31:47   you my friend are a radio and podcast

01:31:50   champion you deserve that trophy