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00:00:00 ◼   ► I am delivery number 46 gray and the [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► courier is currently on delivery number [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► 41 and they're about 15 minutes away [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► delivery of what I'm getting some new [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► Apple products today like an Apple watch [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► who's on the way and an Apple TV is on [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► the way today is the day so during [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► today's show I'm gonna be taking receipt [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► of some new stuff so you'll probably [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► lose me for a while you know as I've [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► just gone press the buttons on my new [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► toys you you lucky jerk you got it you [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► got your orders in ahead of me [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► yep I am let me let me just look it up [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► really quickly according to my app from [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► my Apple watch I am delivery number ten [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► thousand four hundred and forty fourth I [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► presume because it's not coming in till [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► October well the early bird catches the [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► pre-orders or something I guess so yeah [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► so there's I guess so so you bought the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► Apple watch of LTE huh this is gonna be [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► part of the multi multi watch lifestyle [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► how many watches you're gonna keep [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► around when the third one is your life [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► what do you mean mult I'm like I already [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► lived the multi watch lifestyle I have [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► two watches that's two so then is there [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► a third gonna join or like what happens [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► you can oh that's crazy that doesn't [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► make any sense [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► I just thought if you bought two LTE [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► watches for yourself no I have bought [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► one ltu watch for myself right right cuz [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► it would be crazy to buy two right it [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► would be crazy to buy two right at the [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► start yeah Olaf occation there well I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► don't yet know I don't yet know how [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► useful the LTE watches are exactly how [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► it's going to fit into my life or how [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► it's going to work with my various [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► habits are you even on the correct [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► network for this I I have not [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► investigated that I didn't know that I [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► needed to look into networks if you're [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► not on a in the UK then you're then [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► you're out luck my friend oh really [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► hmm I just delivered some horrifying [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► news to you well maybe it's a good thing [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► then that my delivery is not until [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► number 10,000 or something I'm currently [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► on three is the young network provider [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► of choice and it's time for you to [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► switch network if you want to use an LTE [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► Apple watch [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► no but shortly surely the networks are [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► going to update with this surely yes on [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► a only be a couple of days I'm sure [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► until all of the other networks come on [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► boy [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► Oh like ah I was not expecting to get [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► this piece of news from you hmm [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► yeah I never never even occurred to me [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► that this might be limited to different [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► carriers yep it is [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► it is just one in the UK just one for [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► now so you've got some work to do my [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► friend I've got some life rearranging to [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► do yep okay I actually don't think it's [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► like it's at all possible to even get it [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► to work like it has to be the carrier [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► that you're on otherwise you've got no [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► no choice hmm the one thing that [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► frustrating me though again I don't know [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► if you know this it doesn't rum you [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► can't bro I'm not surprised by that I [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► didn't think about that but I'm not [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► surprised that at the start there's no [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► roaming with the Ltd was definitely [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► version one I mean and also like all of [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► the early reviews there's a bunch of [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► problems with it but apparently there's [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► some fixes on the way but I'm waiting to [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► see like I'm gonna reserve my own [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► judgement until I've actually had time [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► to play around of it which by the time [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► this episode comes out I probably will [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► have played around with it and will have [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► spoken about it on my various technology [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► focused podcasts of which I will include [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► links in the show notes gray yes you're [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► going to be wearing the watch while [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► we're doing this show and probably [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► simultaneously recording another one of [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► your shows to give you a first [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► impressions [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► yeah every time you're talking I'm [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► talking to somebody else yeah that's how [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that works [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► that's how Mike gets all these podcasts [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► done CT does simulcasting it's very [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► intense [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that's how you that's how you do 20 [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► shows it's the only way it is the only [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► way to do it and maintain work/life [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► balance you have to double it's like two [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► times work and then life balance that's [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► how you do it I don't think that formula [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► comes out the way you think it comes out [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► but but don't worry about it it's in [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► practice it works you know just just on [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► paper it seems a bit tricky let's come [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► back today I want to know what you think [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► about the iPhone 10 but let's come back [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► to that a little bit later on so we can [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► give you some respite to the people that [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► don't care about these types of things [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► because there has been some huge news [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► there's been a there's been a rift there [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► was that there was a I could feel a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► change in the force gray as you uploaded [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► a YouTube video okay well now that's [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► you're being a little dramatic there do [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► Q&A videos really count I feel like they [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► count for half a video well okay it was [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► like it was a minor rift it was a minor [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► disturbance [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and Morse as you uploaded a semi YouTube [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► video I guess but it still was one it [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► still had animations in it it still had [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► fun parts of it it still took work I'm [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► assuming right yeah there is a very [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► you've come back how does it feel to [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► make your triumphs huge what you're [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► really you're really enjoying this [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► aren't you [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► what I enjoy most is the comments that I [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► see so often oh yes I know these tickle [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► you podcast the CGP grey who sometimes [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► uploads YouTube videos do you know that [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► I mean I have no say in this kind of [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► thing but the consensus on my Wikipedia [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► page was to reverse the order in which [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► and which my professions are listed I [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► mean all you can do is just look at the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► facts I mean I'm not one to talk right [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► because I have not uploaded anything to [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► my YouTube channel for a while there is [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► a good reason for that which we'll get [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► into later like I just have a ton of [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► footage who's sitting on my iPhone that [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► I haven't been able to do anything with [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► because I've been working on some other [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► stuff but I'm pleased to see that you've [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► made your return I'm glad I'm glad that [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► - you're pleased that I've made a return [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► I always figure it's not for me to [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► determine how people want to describe [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► what it is that I do and I'll I'll let [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► them describe it however they want but I [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► do too think it's funny when people list [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► essentially in reverse order all the [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► things that I do [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► those are always entertaining comments I [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► think it makes sense though cuz like you [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► have to mostly regular shows like - [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► mostly regular podcasts in any YouTube [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► channel where you post stuff on an [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► incredibly sporadic basis I'm not [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► arguing with the Wikipedia here I just [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► think it's funny that someone went in [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► and changed it I am looking at CGP grey [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► podcaster and educational youtuber [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► mm-hmm that's wonderful that is one I'm [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► glad you liked it [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► did you go back into the swing of things [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► okay yeah yeah it was fine okay this is [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► this is one of these things that is it's [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► a bit weird to have a podcast where you [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► sort of talk about your working life in [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► public because like sometimes there are [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► things that you kind of [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► can't talk about and people know I [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► always whenever I can I tried to take [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► time off for the summer because it is [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the eternal teacher within me who feels [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► like summer time nobody should work [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► during the summer time but this past [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► summer just for various things that [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► aren't necessarily really interesting to [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► talk about on the show like I was really [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► busy with non public work stuff so the [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► YouTube channel was essentially on pause [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► for a couple of months and that's part [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► of what the part of what the delay was [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► but the Q&A video like people seem to [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► like it the reception seems to be good [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► I'm never quite sure with the Q&A video [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► as I always feel like since they're a [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► little bit of a different kind of video [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► I don't know how they're going to be [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► received but yeah I'm always happy to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► post up on the the YouTube channel like [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► I genuinely feel better when I do that [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► kind of thing is that that's the sort of [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► work that my brain treats as like the [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► realest most counting estate i do it's [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► like oh you've uploaded a YouTube video [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► that's that's real work like oh you put [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► out a bunch of podcast as months it's [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► like ah you were just talking to people [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► like that's not real work is is how my [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► brain sort of treats it okay okay you [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► keep treating it like that that's fine [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► and you keep treating it like no work if [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that helps you to continue to do these [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► things that's fine by me I'm not saying [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► that it helps me to continue I'm just [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► simply saying that's how my brain treats [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► it yeah and it's it's just like a you [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► can't argue with brains you know they're [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► gonna do what they do and like I would [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► genuinely try to argue with my brain and [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► be like you know podcasting is real work [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► too and my brain just kind of shrugged [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► at that it's like yeah I guess whatever [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► and it looks away whatever lazy planning [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► reacts yeah exactly exactly are you back [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► into the swing though like are you [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► working on meaty videos you know yeah [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► what are they they're historical science [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► videos that you make historical science [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► video yes yeah we did we actually we [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► didn't quite get into it last time but [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► we sort of touched on like our sleep [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► schedules being all messed up and you'll [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► have to tell me about that that sleep [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► survey later but gosh yeah we'll just [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► still didn't really understand what was [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► occurring with that but anyway I did we [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► were talking then about like [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► trying to have a regular sleep schedule [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► and how important it is and and it is [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► one of these things that I did I did [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► have this really exhausting summer and I [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► as I was mentioning last time like I [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► just felt like I could not get back into [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► the regular flow of things and so I did [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► end up taking a gradation to really [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► buckle down and be like okay brain you [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► and me like we're gonna get back into [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► the schedule of real work that's really [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► going to happen and we're going to be [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► getting up at 5:30 and you're not gonna [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► like any of it but we're gonna do this [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► and it's interesting it was it was [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► really quite brutal because my brain was [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► bucking very hard against this but I did [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► it it was important to do and like [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► that's part of the reason the Q&A video [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► came up and there's some other things in [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► the work it is interesting trying to do [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► the thing where you force yourself back [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► into a into a pattern so anyway that's [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► something that I was up to and I've been [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► now regularly getting up you know very [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► early in the morning which again is a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► thing that really is the number one like [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► contributing factor to how do I feel [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► about how my working life is going and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► how productive do I feel that I am at [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► any particular day so I'm pretty happy [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► about that well I'm pleased that you [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► were able to somehow get it back right [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► like my thing was just I came back to [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► work with a messed up schedule at one of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► the most important parts of my working [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► year so I had was forced into a actually [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► my sleep cycle wasn't forced at all like [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► it was still just a disaster for most of [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the last few weeks but there's kind of [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► not really been much choice like I just [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► have to kind of just live of it it also [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► didn't help that like the way in which [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► the work of curves during this period of [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► time meant that there was some times [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► where I was going to bed at 2:30 because [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► I had enough choice be me because you [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► were recording with somebody and like on [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► the west coast of the time they were [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► available [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► exactly right like that there's nothing [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► I can do about that and so that really [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► didn't help so like even because there [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► was a lot of stuff contributing to me [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► staying up later even if I didn't want [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► to so basically like [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► I'm still in a real bad way with sleep [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► right now mm-hmm but it's not jet lag [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► like I've just got a really screwed up [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► schedule because I haven't done a very [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► good job of managing it and maybe for [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► the first time in my life I have truly [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► recognized the effect of bad sleep on me [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► oh yeah I feel like maybe for the first [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► time I've really been able to be like oh [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► I feel really bad today [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► and I think it might be because I [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► haven't been sleeping mm-hmm and this is [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► maybe the first time this has ever [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► really happened and I think it's because [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► this has been the biggest shock to my [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► system like with the amount of time that [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► I spent in another time zone and then [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► not being able to get into a position [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► where I was able to change it even [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► though my life around me has dictated [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► that I had to change right so like I've [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► been having like errands to run or [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► meetings or things that were happening [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► in the morning in England mm-hmm but [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► everything else was happening in the [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► evening in the u.s. dark is you're a big [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► big stretch of time in-between so I was [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► having to cater to all of it in a way [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► that was also being quite badly [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► jet-lagged mm-hmm right like it was all [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► just happening and this is maybe the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► first time where I've been like I have [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► not felt great the last couple of weeks [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► and I and you know I've been getting [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► colds and stuff like that happening here [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► and there right like it keeps coming and [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► going and it's like yeah I need to sleep [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► more since you happen to have have had [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► this schedule where there's two blocks [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► of working time that are separated by a [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► great distance during the day have you [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► ever tried naps Mike I hate naps say I [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► hate them I used I used to be this guy I [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► got and I used to I used to have like a [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► moral rejection of naps as I go naps [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that's that's for lazy people and cats [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► right that you know like a grown man [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► it's not gonna lie down and take a [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► little nap but it is it is a thing that [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► I have tried and I feel like the most [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► beautiful and perfect sleep cycle for me [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► but that is yet also the [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► fragile is is the waking up early in the [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► morning and then taking a very brief [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► midday nap and kind of breaking the day [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► into two phases it's like when I can get [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► into that groove [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► it's everything everything is right in [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the world and I used to be really [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► opposed to naps and if you're really [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► opposed to then like I think you should [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► I think you should just give it a try [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► like a very very short naps like just 20 [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► minutes maybe 30 minutes you know not an [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► hour but it it it really is very helpful [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► I want to give you I've just written [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► this down in a notebook that I have in [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► front of me I have I have two points [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► here about naps okay point number one [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► every time I ever taken a nap we have a [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► purpose for accidentally mostly [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► accidentally I wake up and I don't know [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► where I am I don't know what day it is I [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► don't know what time it is and I just [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► feel atrocious [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► yeah no accidental naps are awful and [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► I'm with you there 100% of the time if [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► you wake up from an accidental nap it's [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► that feeling of like like what where am [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► I like what what happened in my was i [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► suffocating to death and then and then [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► you have that horrific sleep inertia [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► where it's like oh I'm sitting up from [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► the couch but it feels like only my soul [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► has sat up and my body is still lying on [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► the couch it's terrible yeah that sound [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► that you made is the perfect way of [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► describing the feeling mmhmm yeah that [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► that is also the the alarm went off when [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► I was in the middle of a dream waking up [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► sound that's right this is like getting [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► up earlier in the morning as a good [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► can't I just need air but actually I was [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► just asleep the second part is an issue [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► that I have about planning into my day [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► while I consider to be wastes of time [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► and how I feel about those I waste time [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► every day [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► procrastinating like every human being [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► right like I waste of time of course but [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it but if I plan into my day a period of [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► time where I won't be working I get very [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► anxious about that if I'm busy [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► this is my own problem that I need to [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► take steps to deal with and it's [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► something that I think about but it's [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► like if I shed you a lunch with a friend [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► whilst I'm also busy or I have a lunch [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► with a friend booked in and then my week [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► goes pear-shaped and I end up with a [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► bunch of tasks that need to be completed [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► I feel really anxious about that mmm so [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► the idea of having naps like planning to [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► take a nap I don't know I feel like I [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► would I feel like I would be very [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► uncomfortable about like oh I'm just [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► gonna go to sleep for an hour like no I [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► don't know yeah we can don't go to sleep [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► for an hour that's terrible Oh bad idea [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► well what are we talking here again 2030 [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► minutes that's all you need here and [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► also here's the trick with the 2030 [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► minute nap is you shouldn't really be [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► expecting to go into full sleep when you [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► get into this routine you're not you [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► know really sleeping what you're doing [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► is you're going into a kind of low power [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► mode for a little bit that that's that's [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► what's occurring and it makes it easier [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► to pull out of without feeling like [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► you're drowning and you're dying [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► don't do the hour thing if you're always [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► going to feel terrible with with an hour [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► sleep that's that's bad idea because it [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► always takes me a long time to go to [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► sleep always yeah but this is it you [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► don't don't think about it like I'm [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► going to bed in the middle of the day [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► think about it more I'm closing my eyes [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► for 25 minutes and that that's it that's [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► all you have to do just close your eyes [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► for 25 minutes and and that is that is [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the minimum that that needs to occur and [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► I guess at it in my experience this is [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► this is a fragile thing in in even in my [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► life which I try to keep as relatively [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► unscheduled as possible like stuff comes [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► up that'll always make it inconvenient [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► to just go to sleep for a little bit in [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► the middle of the day but when when that [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► works like it works really great and if [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► you if you know you're going to have to [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► be up later it's it's vital like one of [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► one of my top conference survival tips [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► like I was doing a bunch of conferences [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► over the summer [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► is you have to go back to the hotel and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► take a nap at some point in the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► afternoon and and like that that is for [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► me conference survival tip number one [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► like if you you do not do this you will [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► severely regret it later in the day well [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► but see then the thing is I know I know [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► that's gone wrong for you like I've been [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► in situations where I said to you where [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► were you yesterday and you said to me I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► was took a nap and didn't wake up I have [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► no memory of what when this is I think [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► you're like making up a story so that [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► you don't have to take it out this is [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► true I'm not a nine year old like no [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► one's putting me down right like we're [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► good I remember it was somewhere it was [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► even at all I was at a WWDC or something [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► I remember saying to you where did you [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► go and you were like oh well I went to [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► take a nap [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► and then I woke up I know what should I [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► know what you're talking about [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► I went upstairs in the evening and just [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► fell asleep on my bed because I was [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► exhausted and slept through the whole [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► night yeah that was a WWDC that was the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► first WI can see was I thought like oh [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► I'm gonna come back downstairs I'm just [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► gonna go upstairs for a little while but [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► this is actually my brain was tricking [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► me because I was really tired from the [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► time changes but that that was not a I'm [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► lying down to take a nap thing that was [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► is it was it was like 9 o'clock at night [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► already which by my measure is a [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► reasonable time for everyone to be [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► winding down the night but it seems that [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► for most people this is when they think [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the evening begins just kicking off yeah [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► which which I find very frustrating are [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► you sitting in front of your computer [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► right now if so I'd like you to think [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► about something if your computer crashed [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► crashed hard it circuits casting off [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► their mortal coils what would you lose [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► think about all of the documents [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► projects contracts photos videos that [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► you have on your computer that you'd [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► never see again you need to protect [TS]

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00:21:03 ◼   ► Backblaze calm / cortex I would suggest [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► that you try the NAP thing just try it [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► for a little while and I also I would [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► also want to make a suggestion out there [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► for you and for the listeners is to [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► reframe sleep as part of the working [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► cycle not to not necessarily think of it [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► in the way that you're thinking of it [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► like I'm planning in this period of time [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► where I'm doing nothing I think it's [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► it's important to reframe this as a [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► necessary part of work and that is part [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► of the reason why I like I specifically [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► took time in my schedule to say like the [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► number one thing that I am going to try [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► to fix is my sleep schedule and if I [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► have to mess up the rest of everything [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► that I'm working on like I don't care [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► because this is this is like the ground [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► bass level if this isn't fixed almost [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► nothing else matters so I think there [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► should be a reframing in your mind of [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► sleep as a part of work mm-hmm [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► this feels like a long-term project [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► honestly like if this is gonna be a [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► thing now I'm able to do because like [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► right now I'm listening to you and I'm [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► I'm not gonna nap this might have to be [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► a real long-term thing I just I don't [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► know maybe maybe I need to feel these [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► effects again right so this is the first [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► time it's ever happened to me and [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► they're still a part of my mind where [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► it's like these will really like [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► extenuating circumstances but there is [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► also a possibility that as I am [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► approaching my 30th year that this is [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► how I'm gonna be now right that like [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► every time I come back from a trip I'm [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► gonna feel like this so I need to see if [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► that's gonna be a thing that occurs as I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► take more trips throughout the rest of [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► the year then I'll maybe consider [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► nothing but right now I'm clutching onto [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► anything that still makes me feel like [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► I'm in my 20s so we're not taking naps [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► is one of those things I wasn't going to [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► bring it up Mike but of course like yes [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► this is this is one of these things that [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► as not it not you but like as one ages I [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► saw in my find that they need to focus [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► on some things in a different way than [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► they used to [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► well look I'm not an old man right and [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► it didn't say nighttime I'll say that [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► you were I know I know that I can and I [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► know that there's gonna be many people [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that hear me say as I'm approaching my [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► phase and they start rolling their eyes [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► but over the last couple of years there [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► have been a few things in my life that I [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► have felt change and I know it's because [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► I'm getting older [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► can you give me an example of a thing [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► that you have noticed as you've gotten [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► older that has changed are you able to [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► drink as hard as you used to Mike I [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► would say I've never really been a hard [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► drinker hmm but what I have noticed is [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► if I have any alcohol I can tell the [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► next day like if somebody was to sneak [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► alcohol into a beverage right like I [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► would know the next day because I would [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► feel like that they poisoned me [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► technically I think they have exactly [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► what yeah I'm yeah okay technically they [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► did but yeah I I would say that I feel [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► it now in a way that I never did before [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► like any amount of alcohol some like I [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► always get a bad hangover or I feel sick [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► or anything like that just my body knows [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► who that is probably the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► easiest one that like I have felt is [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► like yeah okay I feel like this is [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► probably a consequence of me get [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► becoming older those are two things in [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► this conversation one of one of which is [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► I do think that you do have to be aware [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► that things change over time and I think [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► you I think you are wandering into the [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► valley that many of us wander into which [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► is is recognizing likes you have to be [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► protective of sleep and I always found [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► myself very sensitive to changes in [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► sleep and I think that that is just [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► cranking up as time goes on and then [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► there's the other thing of just like [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► being aware of your own working habits [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► changing over time so yeah there's [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► something out like something I wasn't [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► really interested in was with his last [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► episode of trying to fix my own sleep [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► schedule is like I've always been very [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► naturally a morning person and I was [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► just having such a hard time booting [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► back into that that there is there is a [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► question in my mind of maybe it's time [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► to reevaluate what your schedule [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► actually looks like like maybe this [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► thing that was that was previously true [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► is no longer true that waking up super [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► early is is like the best way to for me [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► to have a good day because again I think [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► you have to constantly re-evaluate the [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► way that you work and the way that you [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► set up your schedule and what while I [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► have booted myself back into what I what [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► what for me I know is the ideal [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► situation where either wake up or I'm [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► pretty much half awake before my alarm [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► goes off anyway and that's like ah okay [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► great now I know I'm in in the perfect [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► zone but it took so long to get there [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► that I do wonder like hmm maybe this [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► early of a schedule just isn't for me [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► anymore and I'll have to just see over [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► the next several months like how do i [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► how do I feel about this maybe this is a [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► thing that needs to be adjusted or or [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► maybe it's just well I had an unusually [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► exhausting summer and it just took [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► longer than expected to get back into [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► things because stuff changes over time [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► but it it's like I think it's varying [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► this skill of observing yourself I think [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► is one [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► the most important skills that you need [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► to have and being sensitive to things [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► don't always stay the same as as part of [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► as part of that skill so gray I feel [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► like I'll you know I'll listen as [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► they're waiting on the edge of their [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► seats right for where my parcel is I [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► don't think they are but okay I'm afraid [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► to say that there will be no live on [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► boxing today on the show oh you're not [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► going to treat the listeners to a lot of [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► audio unboxing of your Apple watch nope [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► because I have been bitten by the bug [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► that is possible delivery in that [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► apparently I'm not in my home today [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► mm-hmm because they have attempted to [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► deliver to me and couldn't couldn't [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► couldn't find me so I don't really know [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► what happened I'm sitting right here but [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► yeah that's that so no I'm sorry I'm [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► sorry cortex listeners there will be no [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► there will be no live unboxing for an [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► Apple watch on the show today because [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► I'm I'm in some other dimension I think [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► I'm sorry Mike it's like you have my you [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► have my sympathies [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► I too have very many a time at the end [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► of the day gone down to the ground floor [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► in my building and discovered many a [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► letter informing me that I was not home [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► all day to receive my packages that I [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► was waiting for feel like you lazy back [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► I know what happened they gave me a [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► delivery window you know like we're [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► gonna deliver between 3:15 and 4:15 [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► mm-hm [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► 4:15 past mm-hmm so oh I see you think [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► I'm shenanigans here yeah somebody is [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► filling out on his tablet that he hit [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► his marks and you get whirring home yeah [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► because there's a lot there's always a [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► lot of things to deliver on a new iPhone [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► day breaks it's also a new iPhone day [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► today and I expect that they decided [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► that they were just gonna miss me out on [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► my window because he has double windows [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► he needs to hit [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► you know juicing the stats yep great [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► scourge of the world I said I get you [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► and then I want to change my delivery [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► day but the system is experiencing [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► difficulties all right from everybody [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► else who's really angry exactly we're [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► experiencing issues updating a possible [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► information at this time [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► me too me too I'm sorry Mike asked I'm [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► sorry that you didn't get your device's [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► on day one it's okay I genuinely am [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► sorry because I know this is a thing [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► that is actually part of your job is [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► getting these things on time yeah [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► luckily the Apple watch isn't as much of [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► a problem if it was a phone I would be [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► in in much more disarray right now but [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► this is just gonna be a mild [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► inconvenience honestly it's like I'll [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► block it out I've still got a few days [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► before see you've shown your hand then [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► you didn't buy an iPhone 8 no I didn't [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► buy an iPhone 8 oh yeah we're likes ever [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► so slightly sneaking towards the iPhone [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► discussion again which we're not gonna [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► have right now no of course I want to [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► talk about the sleep survey because it [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► kind of took a real turn gray in the [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► reddit it kind of got bit out of control [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► so my original conceit of my [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► ill-conceived survey was one quick [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► question just to try and get a rough [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► idea of do cortex listeners if given the [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► chance would they give up sleep right [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► like that was all the question was to me [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it was like do you prefer to sleep or [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► would you prefer to not sleep but you [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► know what Mike when you were talking to [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► me on the show I was very confused as to [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► what your question was okay and I was [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► also really aware when I was listening [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► to do my edit of the show that I still I [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► still felt like I don't understand what [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► the hell this guy's asking me I don't [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► under I don't I can't conceptualize what [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► this question really is the thing I mean [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► I think this is a problem that many [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► people had too many people were trying [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► to find this to be like a real [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► scientific survey that I was attempting [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► to conduct it was just a pure thing of [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► like if somebody said to you you can [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► never sleep again would you take it that [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► was a lot one to know is like is the [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► idea of do our listeners feel like they [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► enjoy sleep I guess is maybe a better [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► way to phrase the question yeah enjoy it [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► so much that they would never give it up [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that's kind of it but Mike I was looking [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► for this is like if you have a [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► conversation or someone [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► says like Oh what superpowers would you [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► want you have to get out the like the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► lawyer [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► yes alt about what the details are of [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► the superpower because it really matters [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► like I'm gonna belitz like okay well [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► yeah let me we need to go through a few [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► things here as like well when the heat [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► death of the universe arrives like am I [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► still around because I'm invulnerable [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► like well then I don't want you're just [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► like you need to get out the piece of [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► paper here and so when you say you don't [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► need to sleep is like okay well do I [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► live the same amount of time and my [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► lifespan has just increased a third or [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► am I still counting down the same number [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► of hours like this this really matters [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► just just take it as it was all it was [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► it was just a simple question anyway I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► know now I've learned a lesson because [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► the reddit thread is full of people [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► asking me for raw clarifications no [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► there's no rules everybody like they [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► though I wasn't trying to set up a world [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► for you you can't answer the question [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► without understanding the rules yes well [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► I mean it was meant to just be like [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► really like a litmus test a gauge like [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► just just a very rough idea was all I [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► was looking for but you really found out [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► is that there's there's two kinds of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► listeners the kind of listeners who [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► don't care and the kind of listeners [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► like me who get out the rulebook and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► they're like okay well now tell me where [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► on this D&D chart this is going to [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► follow right what do you mean by the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► word chaos right that's that's what you [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► discovered oh do you know what I can [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► actually see a delivery driver outside [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► my window go go get it a try and shout [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► go get him go run I don't know if he's [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► gonna make it guys I don't think you [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► listeners can hear it [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► I just heard mic through my headphones [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► yelling at the delivery driver to go get [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► his attention let's see what happens I'm [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► sure this is very dramatic for you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► listeners I'm I'm sure you're all very [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► invested in whether or not Mike is [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► getting his watches today doesn't sound [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► good doesn't sound good I don't believe [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► him [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► I didn't sound it didn't sound good when [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► you were coming back sitting outside the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► window he's like nah 62 like whatever [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► anyway alright now that you're back Mike [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► tell me the results of this sleep survey [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► that made no logical sense at all when [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► you really went just ask people do you [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► like sleep yes or no for the whole time [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► from the the beginning of the survey to [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► now it was around 60% to 40% and that [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► that's 60 percent people would say I [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► wouldn't want to sleep and 40 percent of [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► people said that they would sleep and [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► even though so many people required [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► rules there there were many thousands of [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► people that filled out the survey [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► without clurel clarifications and [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► basically my hypothesis that I had in my [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► mind came true which was that given the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► chance most of our listeners would [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► prefer to use that time for something [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► other than sleeping that was kind of all [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► I wanted to know really but for whatever [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► reason IVA I phrased it badly or like [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► just this isn't the type of question [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► you're allowed to ask people I don't [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► know who those people are who filled out [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► yes they'd go without sleep without [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► doing the rules clarification that's [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► it's like wishing with a genie you know [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► without getting out the rules as well so [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► I mean well you're gonna get out buddies [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► forever that you didn't ask for if you [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► do that this is one of those monkey pour [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► type situations that's all it is you [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► know you say you can't sleep well well [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► that means you lose your eyelids and [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► like ends up being but like there's a [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► bad situation in there somewhere [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► but that's not what I was looking for [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► but that's what I think most people in [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► our reddit thread we're expecting was [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► gonna happen but it was a simple [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► question I feel like you got a you got a [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► real bucket full of internet right there [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► Mike that's what I got I got a couple of [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► pistols of internet thrown at me over [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► over a couple of weeks and you know what [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► as well this is I know this is gonna be [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► one of these things it's gonna come back [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► to me forever this is gonna be one of [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► those things that in four years time I [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► will still be getting questions about [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► clarifications of the rules of the sleep [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► no sleep survey that'll teach you no [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► more surveys Mike Wow yeah [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► no most no more surveys I'm not gonna [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► say that though because I might have [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► surveys in the future [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► but next time I do a survey I'm at least [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► gonna know what I'm letting myself in [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► for instead I'll do a survey I'll ask [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► the people if they want surveys but but [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► what kind of survey is great this [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► episode of cortex is brought to you in [TS]

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00:35:42 ◼   ► you're building every single project I [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► have ever started I think one of the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► very first things that I do is go to [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► hover comm and check for domain names [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► when we were naming the name of our [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► company when we were coming up with the [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► name relay FM we went through lists and [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► lists of ideas that we had and one of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► the reasons that we decided to call our [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► company relay FM is because the domain [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► was available that's how important it is [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► in today's world for you to have the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► name of the thing that you want to make [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► you want to be able to protect the [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► identity and that's where hover comes in [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► I think about like myself I have Mike [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► Hurley dotnet Mike Hurley com [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► I have funny joke URLs like Mike was [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► right calm [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► I have jokes that I play on friends of [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► mine and I buy the URLs for them because [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► it's part of who I am online people know [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► what these things are and we find some [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► fun in it together if you want to put [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► your idea out into the world you need a [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► domain name for it it is that simple the [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► thing that's great about hover is that [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► they allow you to keep your domain [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► separate from your hosting so you never [TS]

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00:36:44 ◼   ► that doesn't meet your needs I love that [TS]

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00:36:49 ◼   ► if I've ever needed help with anything [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► I've just sent them an email and they [TS]

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00:36:53 ◼   ► they have over 400 domain name [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► extensions to choose from as well [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► including all of the classics and fun [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► niche extensions it's how I'm able to [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► get comms dot FM's and even dot pizza if [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► I want to if you want to show the world [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► what you're passionate about hover is [TS]

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00:37:09 ◼   ► head to hover.com slash cortex and [TS]

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00:37:14 ◼   ► I want to thank hover for their support [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► of this show and for helping me name the [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► things that I care about ok so one of [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► the reasons that I've struggled to sleep [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► is that I decided to take on a project [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► tied to the busiest part of my year [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► which was to record an audio book close [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► friend and colleague of mine mr. [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► Federico vtg he runs a website called [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► Mac stories and Mac stories is focused [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► on technology mostly around Apple [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► whether it's iOS devices Mac's I kind of [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► stuff they talk about these types of [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► things we spoken about Federico a lot on [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► this show because he's very good at [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► working on the iPad workflow and things [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► like that he writes a very in-depth and [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► interesting iOS review every year so he [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► was working on one for iOS 11 where he [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► goes into detail about all of the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► different features and facets of iOS 11 [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► the update and the released Apple put [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► out I would say that [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► Federico's review is the definitive [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► review yes iOS 11 yep because he [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► explores and talks about everything that [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► is coming into it and it's really great [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► you can pick it up you can read parts of [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► Federico's reviews are longer than the [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► types of things that I would usually [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► read I think I've said on this show many [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► times like I don't like to read like I'm [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► not a big reader I'm not a big reader I [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► struggled to keep focus and attention on [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► reading books I like to listen to books [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► I like audiobooks you know any book that [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► we've read for the book clubs all that [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► sort of stuff I I do in audio versions [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► which I have mentioned I think serves [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► you poorly for some of the books that we [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► have read but I can't imagine redo some [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► of those books that became what a scam [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► yeah but that's the thing is I would pay [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► no attention to it and give up if I had [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► to read like I would give up they would [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► it just never would have worked so I [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► have spoken to Federico a few times [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► about like you know why don't you have [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► an audiobook version of your review like [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► I would love that [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► it would be an easier way for me and I'm [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► sure many other people to consume the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► content and we spoke about this for a [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► couple of years and then I ended up [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► putting my money where my mouth is and I [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► recommend it to be the person that would [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► do it who we agreed upon it and I did it [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► and it was like 35 hours of work but I [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► narrated produced edited mastered an [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► audio book for Federico's iOS 11 review [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► and it's 5 hours and 22 minutes long [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► in total and it's available now you can [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► buy it there'll be links in the show [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► notes if you're interested I think it's [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► a really good way of consuming it if you [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► like podcasts and want this type of [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► information then go for it the reason [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► I'm bringing this up today is because [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► there are a couple of things through [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► this whole process that were interesting [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► to me the first of them being deadlines [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► and bosses because I've not really had [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► either of those things imposed on me in [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► a while oh don't you think but this the [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► the all of the shows that you do art are [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► deadlines like I think of you as [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► imposing deadlines upon me with regards [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► to this show like the podcasts are [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► deadlines yeah I imposed deadlines and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► other people know but not me I choose [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► the deadlines right like I choose them [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► the over the deadlines that I have these [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► days at deadlines that I choose the [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► deadlines for this will not chosen by me [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► I mean in some instances they were [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► chosen by Apple like whenever Apple [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► wants because we don't know when iOS 11 [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► is gonna come out until like a week [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► before it comes out I always forget that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► for some reason I in my head I'm always [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► thinking that that that is and that the [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► release date is announced at WWDC but it [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► isn't so there is like a time frame that [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► you can work to but so like there are [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► these issues where like we didn't know [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► when it was gonna come out so there was [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► like this deadline being set by the [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► universe and then you know also in [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► working with Federico like I'm working [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► for him I'm producing this book for him [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► he will put deadlines on me if like this [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► is when I'm gonna need it like they can [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► announce it on this date but I'm still [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► gonna need it X amount of time before [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► that so that was interesting yeah that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► there's there's some amount of you need [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► to have it ahead of time yet to get it [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► ready to actually go up and I had like a [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► real boss right I had someone setting [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► the tasks I had someone providing me [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► with the material they would set [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► deadlines they would make approvals and [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► request me to make changes I have not [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► done something like this in a very long [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► time how did you feel about having a [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► boss like are you going to badmouth your [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► boss on the podcast he was no it was [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► fine because it was also it's a [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► collaborative thing right but there were [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► parts of it that [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► reminded me of having a bus and working [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► in a process because you know like they [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► would give me something I would make [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► something out of it and they would be [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► like are you gonna change this word you [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► got to reread this sentence you haven't [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► done this in the right way like this is [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► what it was like when I was writing [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► advertising copy at the bank right like [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► that's that was this process and it's [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► been a really long time since I've done [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► it and it was very interesting it was [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► illuminating for me illuminating how it [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► was both better and worse than I [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► expected in its own weird and [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► interesting ways right like I have [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► worked for myself for long enough which [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► makes me believe that I could never work [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► for anybody ever again but like it was [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► fine like it wasn't a problem for me to [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► be told what to do yeah like okay you [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► you say that but I think this is such a [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► different situation because you [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► essentially talk to yourself into doing [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► this right [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► you really bullied your way into a job [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► or like there needs to be an audio book [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► version there needs to be an audio book [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► yeah yeah eventually like so I'm gonna [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► make an audio book for it I don't think [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► this is this is a normal boss employee [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► relationally it's not well that's why [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► I'm saying it's like it's better and [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► worse right because like the better part [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► is that oh it was fine and the worst [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► part is realizing that all maybe it's [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► true all along and I actually can't do [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► anything that people tell me right but [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► like just the idea of the process when [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► we sought it out like I was thinking [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► like oh I'm gonna be a real diva here be [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► like nobody can tell me how to pronounce [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► things differently like you know like I [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► do them my way that like I know what to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► do here but then when they would hand [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► things to me and be like oh you should [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► change this because of this it was like [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► okay you know that makes sense right so [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► it was it was interesting it was [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► illuminating to me in the instance of I [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► was able to break out of my own ego and [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► actually work with people in this way [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► which is different to how I work because [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► like in my mind it's like oh I'm the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► professional here right like I know what [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► I'm doing but I was still able to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► receive criticism and feedback in a way [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► that I was concerned that I might not be [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► able to because I've been out of this [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► world for so long who [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► so it that was an illuminating thing for [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► me which I found to be very useful to [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► know at least like for future projects [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► and stuff like that right like that I am [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► aware of the fact that I am able to take [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► on this type of feedback and make [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► changes like it was it was useful for me [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► to know that I have not completely lost [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► those skills when I was concerned that [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► maybe I would have who because for all [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► of my projects like I tend to be the [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► final say on most of them or at least if [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► I'm not final I feel like I have as much [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► say as everybody else because it's a [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► collaborative effort but this really was [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► a project that I was turning in you know [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► like this was somebody else's work that [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► I was just reading like I am merely a [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► method of delivery you're a cog in the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► machine like that that you are and if [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► there were changes that I felt should be [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► made because they sound better to read [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► that kind of thing I had to confirm them [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► with the person whose work I was [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► attempting to change right like this [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► wasn't I didn't have like complete [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► agency in this as I do in my other work [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► and so it was an interesting experience [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► in that way of becoming a cog in a [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► machine again like I was part of a team [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► producing a thing but it wasn't my [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► original work mm-hmm [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► so it was a very different thing which [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► felt a lot more like being part of a job [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► again because that was what it was like [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► I was flexing those muscles again like [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► the creative work that I would put [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► together for a piece of mail that went [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► through somebody's letterbox the artwork [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► I didn't make that it wasn't my idea [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► somebody in a design agency made the [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► artwork I just approved it and turned it [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► into a thing and put it through where it [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► needed to go right like it was very much [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► like that again and it was just [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► surprising to me that in that instance [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► like that was a thing that I was able to [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► still deal with work with and be happy [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► with so it was it was illuminating to me [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► because I wasn't sure when I want [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► took this project what it was gonna be [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► like to be a part of a thing which I [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► don't really have much control over hmm [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► are you going to give up relay and go [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► back to the bank yeah that's well I'm [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► that is what I'm building to here as I [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► was wondering is if you found you've [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► missed it and you want to go back to the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► bank I didn't miss it I didn't miss it [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► in that way right mm-hmm it was an [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► interesting learning experience for me [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► but this isn't how I want to do my work [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► like in every single day of my life it [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► was exhausting to produce this thing [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► because it felt completely different to [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► podcasting in a way that I wasn't [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► expecting well I mean you know you [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► mentioned everybody having to check with [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► the original author if you want to [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► change the wording of anything because I [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► mean this is this is a thing with the [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► written word that it totally sounds [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► different when you speak it aloud and [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► there's lots of ways that people write [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► and read things that are totally fine [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► when they're being written in and read [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► that if you actually say it out loud is [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► is awkward like I don't know what what [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► Federico's writing process is like but [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► I'm gonna I'm gonna guess he probably [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► doesn't have an outloud draft and so [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► then you are you are the person who is [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► doing the outloud draft and you need to [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► check with him and I just I happen to [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► know that with that when um when [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► companies Commission the audio books [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► versions to be made like they do like to [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► have the author's read it if if the [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► author has a reasonable enough voice but [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► one of the other reasons why they like [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► to have the author read it is because it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► closes that loop of the author can then [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► in the recording booth live just make [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► the changes to say like I know it is [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► better if I just say it this way and [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► they don't need to confirm with anybody [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► because like we have the author right [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► here he's the guy reading the book right [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► now but but you could not do that when [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► you're actually recording the thing and [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► I think it's like I imagine it's got to [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► be pretty tiring to read read [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► loud long stretches of something that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► somebody else has written like a thing [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► that is not in your authorial voice or [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► is not the way you would say things it's [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► tricky because you're constantly in the [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► mindset of knowing it's not you who and [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► the presentations different the way that [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► I'm talking now is just coming out of my [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► brain right so like the things that I'm [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► saying and the way that I pitch my voice [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► and all that sort of stuff it's just the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► way that somebody naturally speaks like [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► you know like the way that your voice [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► takes a little rhythm that it takes and [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► goes up and down here and there it's way [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► harder to do that sort of stuff when the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► words were already created because you [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► can either read them through and [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► practice it a bunch of times well you do [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► what I did where it's like well I'm just [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► reading it and if it doesn't sound right [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► I'll go back and fix it where like I'll [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► say something with like I don't [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► summarize so read it again read it again [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► read it again and then there's like [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► words that all of a sudden like you just [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► not in your mouth anymore [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► like this sentence of three four or five [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► words that somehow is impossible for you [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► to say [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► and it's like why is this happening to [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► me this you know it's tiring it's tiring [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► work because you are your brain is [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► working at a completely different rate [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► because like as I'm talking to you right [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► now I'm like looking around and I'm [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► looking at a document in front of me and [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► there are just like things that [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► happening in it it helps kind of just [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► focus my mind because there's all this [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► stuff and I can talk and make silly hand [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► gestures but like I'm looking at this [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► page and I'm just reading the words on [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► this page and it is like a it is a very [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► very different experience in a way that [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► I wasn't quite expecting it to be and [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► like the way that it made me feel like [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► me and you will sit here for like three [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► four hours like three or four hours and [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► we'll record this show I would sit in [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► front of the microphone for 45 minutes I [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► felt like I was gonna pass out okay so [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► I've never done audio book but I think [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► the closest like I'm realizing as you're [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► talking that is my experience is doing [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► the ads for the podcast well I thought [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► you were gonna say like doing the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► scripts for your YouTube videos that's [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► probably what it's closed [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► to nobody that that's different because [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► that that is a thing that is in my voice [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► that is also designed to be written out [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► loud yeah okay the reason why I'm saying [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► the ads is because like I have to [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► concentrate so hard when I'm doing the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► ads and part of that it part of that is [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► it like hearing you describe doing the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► audiobook it'sit's the same thing that [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► it's like when we're talking the words [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► just happen like if you if you pay [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► attention you don't even really know how [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► you talk or how sentences are formed in [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► your head like it just kind of comes out [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► and you're talking or like or like you [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► say as I'm talking to you right now I'm [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► moving my hands even though you're not [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► here to see that I can hear you moving [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► your hands even it's it's just part of [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► how conversation occurs but reading a [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► thing that has been written for you to [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► read is just it's just more different [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► and so yeah a guy I always find it's [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► like wow like the ads really take a lot [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► of mental focus that and that this is [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► exactly the reason it's the same thing [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► you're going through with the audiobook [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that it's because it is not in your [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► voice because it's a sentence that might [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► not have been read aloud by the person [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► who's originally writing it it's just [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► it's a different experience so I'm [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► thinking like if I if I was in a [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► situation where we said like hey you [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► know what we're gonna do we're gonna [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► record all of the year's cortex adds in [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► advance in one go in an hour [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► I feel like I would I would be [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► thoroughly drained by the end of that so [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► I can easily see that when you're doing [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the audiobook you know a 45-minute [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► stretches like as far as you would want [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► to go before taking taking a break I'm [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► really curious to know how long like a [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► real professional audiobook narrator [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► goes for I can't even imagine it [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► honestly like I can't uh the most I [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► could do was an hour at a time and I [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► would have to take a break mm-hmm like [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► if I would sit and talk for an hour and [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► that's like you know I'm not like [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► speaking constantly for that hour you [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► know if for every minute maybe I was [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► taking ten seconds right like you know [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► that I would take like maybe a couple of [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► minutes here and there to like just [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► relax and [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► like take a drink of water and just like [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► go over things in my head and just like [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► getting ready to start speaking again [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► but if I would do that process for more [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► than an hour like I just couldn't do it [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► anymore like I just have to get up and [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► walk away it was a it was a very [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► interesting and illuminating process I [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► wasn't expecting it to be as hard as it [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► was to do like it just it was it was a [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► surprise to me I thought that it was [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► like I'd do this all the time like this [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► is no problem I speak for a living like [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► it's fine my what my throat was getting [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► hoarse that doesn't happen to me like we [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► will finish today and I'll be fine [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► but I would spend a day maybe recording [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► like three or four hours for that day [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► and I could barely talk in the evening [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► there were just so many things about [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► this process that were surprising to me [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► in that way that it was like oh I just [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► think I have to be able to transfer my [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► skills it won't be a problem but a lot [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► obviously it was easier for me because [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► anywhere let the Edit was fine right [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► like I could edit things together no [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► there are points where like two halves [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► of one word or two completely different [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► times would be speaking right like no [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► one would ever know cuz like I've just [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► gotten good at that over time that that [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► was easy to do yeah that that's a more [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► direct transfer of skills but I was [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► expecting there to be a greater transfer [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► of skills for the speaking part than [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► there was obviously there are a lot of [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► things all right like I can present [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► things to people in a way that they can [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► understand because I'm used to speaking [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► and enunciate thing right like that is a [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► thing that I have built that's a skill [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► that I've built but it was just [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► surprising to me how taxing it was to [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► speak for long periods of time in that [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► way now for all these screenshots that [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► Federico includes in his review did you [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► paint a word picture for the people [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► right so this is part of it how do you [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► do that right these were things that I [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► had to do or like every time something [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► is in parenthesis now you have to use [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► the parenthesis voice everybody knows [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► like the parenthesis voice you use when [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► you're talking I use that voice but when [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you come back on the other side of it if [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► it's not written to be done that way [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► it's really tricky and like so there [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► were stuff that I had to move around [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► there or there were times when Federico [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► would include a stir [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► a small string of code mm-hmm how do you [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► read that in a way that makes any sense [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► to people you read it in a computer [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► voice you have to pretend that you're a [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► robot [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► in that loop yeah that's exactly right [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► and as string exactly you have to you [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► have to be the snella Tron for a moment [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► there and read it like that yeah it was [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► stuff like that was very tricky and so I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► think that's part of it is that like I [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► had to pay complete attention to every [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► word that I was reading in case there [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► anything like that was gonna happen [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► so like the attention as well I think is [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► what added to the fatigue like it was [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► just a complete like you must focus you [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► know and I expect a lot of the way as [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► the audiobook readers get around a lot [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► of this stuff is spending a lot of time [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► reading the text beforehand I didn't [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► have time to do that yeah well actually [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► when you just said that I'm just I was [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► just wondering [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► because I mean again Federico's reviews [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► it's a lot of words like do you know how [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► many what the word count was for the [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► book in the end I don't know off the top [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► of my head no it's gonna be like like [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► they are novella sizes I think we can we [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► can fairly say but I I'm just realizing [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► though that it's it's not like he's not [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► like he's just gonna finish the book on [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► on one particular day and then hand it [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► to you and it has to like yeah I think [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► there's not going to be enough buffer [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► time but I mean when he thinks the [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► review is finished because the review I [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► know is being like tinkered with until [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► the absolute last possible second so I'm [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► I'm gonna guess that you must have [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► gotten segments as it's gone along like [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► this segment is close enough just go [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► yeah that was how we decided to do it [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► like there would be chapters that could [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► be completed in advance and I was just [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► completing each chapter as they were [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► coming to me but it was a short period [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► of time right like the ones that were [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► done early they were done in like early [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► August mm-hmm because they were easy to [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► do they were done but then there was a [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► bunch that were done within a week to [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► ten fourteen days of the thing being [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► released so there was a real time [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► pressure [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► took having everything done so with me [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► also trying to work my usual life at the [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► busiest time in my working year right so [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► do so during hi iPhone season when your [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► life is the busiest it's going to be you [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► also decided to add in another 35 hour [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► project [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► yeah just on top of that for funsies so [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► there wasn't enough time for me to sit [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► and read the entire thing multiple times [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► before I read it so I had to read [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► everything as it was happening and would [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► make changes as I need it to right like [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► so I expect that one of the ways that it [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► is less mentally taxing is by having [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► already gone through it and having the [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► text in your mind in some way because [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► you probably then need to think less [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► about what you change and what you don't [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► and how you present things because like [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► I know that there is a part of my brain [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► that is able to capture this stuff [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► because when I edit this show four or [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► five days sometimes after we've recorded [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► it my brain knows the parts that need to [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► be taken out without me knowing it [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► we'll get to a section and I'll be like [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► I'm gonna cut this part or like there's [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► a part where I'm like oh I know I every [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► say this in a moment in a in a clearer [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► way yeah so I'm just gonna cut that but [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► I don't actively remember these things [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► I don't note them down but it's just [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► floating around somewhere in my brain so [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► I'm confident that if I would have been [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► able to sit and read that book in [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► advance it would have been easier for me [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► to record it mmm but I didn't have the [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► luxury of that time because the deadline [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► was any time you're is like you you were [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► doing just-in-time audio book production [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► that was it yep that was audio book on [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► demand so it was it was interesting for [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► that as well as like I don't have that [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► in my life like if there is a deadline [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► and I can't meet there are steps that I [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► can take to change it there was nothing [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► that we could do about this if it was [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► ever gonna happen it had to be on that [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► day right and so yeah that was [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► interesting as well the other part of [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► which I've never done before was [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► answering the question of how much [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► should I pay you for this do you mean [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► how much are you Mike going to charge [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► for the production of the book [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► for the production of the book [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► yeah so you know Federico asked me a [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► question like how much should I pay you [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► mm-hmm I didn't know how to answer that [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► question well Mike happen to you haven't [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► you spent a bunch of time tracking your [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► time yes you know exactly what what your [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► dollar value was worth every hour every [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► subtlest yes and that was how I actually [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► ended up coming to the figure ah right [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► is I had a rough idea of what I believed [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► my hours worth but the other thing is I [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► didn't know how long it was gonna take [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► me yeah that's the other problem [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► I didn't know what was fair I didn't [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► know how good it was gonna be or if [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► anyone would even want to listen to it [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► it's like all of these questions going [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► around in my mind is like so really I [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► didn't know how much money to to charge [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► now [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► I picked a number we agreed upon the [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► number I didn't want to go too high [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► right cuz it went to it felt like if I [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► go too high and this sucks [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► like this guy's one of my best friends [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► like I don't want to you know like there [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► were there were so many things in [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► writing on this decision that made it [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► really tricky hmm I actually we ended up [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► on an amount of money that I think was [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► fine for my time it actually ended up [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► being pretty much exactly what I [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► consider my hourly rate to be for the [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► amount of time like the amount of hours [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► that it took me to put this thing [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► together but I had no idea that was [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► going to be the case when I set out on [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► the project so it was an interesting [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► experience for me and like somebody [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► saying to me or how much should I pay [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► you for this and then I had to like way [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► up a bunch of factors that didn't have [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► any monetary value to them to pick out [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► an amount [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► hmm yeah I mean you've got a couple [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► things here because yes of course this [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► is this is where you do have the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► complication of you you're working with [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► someone who is also a friend which [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► always makes things harder interesting [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► makes them you're interesting and we [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► could say interesting but it's like or [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► perhaps less clear right is job is [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► another way to put it right it's it's [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► the waters are a bit more muddied [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► because like it's it's always tricky to [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► separate out these these kinds of things [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► and and yeah like you said you don't [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► know how much it's how much it's it's [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► going to like how many hours you're [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► gonna be putting into this this kind of [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► thing you're you're describing hard [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► the problems which in some sense where [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► you as you as the cog in the machine in [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► theory don't really have to worry about [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► the market demand for this product right [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► that like that is the burden that the [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► employer should be taking on and should [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► be he's like he's making a calculation [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► that people will want to buy it and he's [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► paying it for you but but like you as [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► someone who also was running a business [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► can't help but be running that side of [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► the equation in your head so I can see [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► why it's like a very hard thing to [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► figure out what is it that you actually [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► want to charge and in the end for this [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► thing but I'm glad that you came to what [TS]