0:00:00gray I need your help yeah how do you
0:00:02break a full week sleep cycle home Mike
0:00:06Mike I need your help where have you
0:00:16been
0:00:16we'll get to that tell me what's going
0:00:19on with you well I mean I've come back
0:00:21from my holy day my holy day is over and
0:00:24[Music]
0:00:25I'm suffering from pretty bad jetlag I
0:00:29thought that I had mostly gotten over
0:00:31jetlag as a problem in my life like it
0:00:33takes me a day or two and I just we
0:00:35think you thought you thought you saw
0:00:37jet lag no this is a general problem I
0:00:39wouldn't say that I feel like I solved
0:00:41it but it's more that like I've gotten
0:00:45used to my pattern that if I just do
0:00:47things in a certain way for like a day
0:00:49or two just like make sure I stay awake
0:00:51embrace the fact that I won't sleep the
0:00:53next day wake up at a normal time and
0:00:55then I'm good that's usually how I deal
0:00:58with this stuff no matter where I am
0:00:59like even if I'm on the west coast it
0:01:01just takes me like two days and I can
0:01:03get back into it and that's mostly
0:01:04because I tend to live like close to
0:01:08East Coast time in London you know like
0:01:11I'm usually like going to bed at 2:00
0:01:13a.m. and I wake up yeah you stay up
0:01:16pretty late yeah so so it helps me
0:01:18adjust relatively well but this time
0:01:22this time is not good like I've been
0:01:24home for three or four days and I'm just
0:01:26not sleeping and I feel terrible most of
0:01:30the day and then like it comes to about
0:01:327 o'clock at night and I'm wired and
0:01:34ready to go yeah you hope you have all
0:01:41of my sympathies jet lag jet lag is the
0:01:45absolute worst surely like how is nobody
0:01:47fixed this problem
0:01:48why isn't there like a surefire pill to
0:01:53take or some kind of beverage to drink
0:01:56it just fixes it yeah that is what I
0:02:00want I feel like there should be some
0:02:01kind of refreshing beverage you could
0:02:02just drink and it's like oh great they
0:02:04just give it to you when you get off the
0:02:05plane yeah now it turned out all I
0:02:08needed all I needed was some
0:02:09electrolytes at the right time
0:02:11and now now I'm set but now I've heard
0:02:15that there are like one of those
0:02:16Dreamliner planes changes the oxygen
0:02:18level and apparently that's supposed to
0:02:20help I'm not sure if I believe that
0:02:21either but obviously jet lag is one of
0:02:24those things because the symptoms are
0:02:27like they're hard to define symptoms and
0:02:30they're slightly different for everybody
0:02:31and this this then breeds a whole world
0:02:35of home remedies and just superstition
0:02:41around what works or what doesn't work
0:02:42just stand on your head and count
0:02:44backwards from ten you fixed it
0:02:47I I have tried so many so many different
0:02:51things and I just I have found nothing
0:02:54nothing has any consistent success with
0:02:57trying to minimize it okay I guess
0:02:59asterisk the only thing I have found
0:03:02that successfully works is simply
0:03:04refusing to acknowledge the time zone of
0:03:05the place that you are in that works
0:03:07yeah that no I have found no doesn't
0:03:11work for a month though like I feel like
0:03:13I would have not really gotten anything
0:03:15useful done if I spent four weeks on
0:03:18London time in various places in the US
0:03:21I feel like I would have I really should
0:03:23have just not made that trip if that's
0:03:24what I was planning to do right yeah
0:03:25it's impossible it's not gonna work out
0:03:28for you Mike so so I I have I have
0:03:33nothing to help you with this you were
0:03:35supposed to be my long-term travel guru
0:03:37oh and this is this is the one thing I
0:03:41truly need you know is this it this is
0:03:45the one this is the one thing that you
0:03:47truly need and I have I have failed to
0:03:48deliver on this you didn't help me with
0:03:50laundry really and or just dealing with
0:03:53emotional crawler so this was the one
0:03:56thing that I desperately need from you
0:03:58that I was hoping for real gist
0:04:00CGP grey Brandt life hack and I have
0:04:03received just deal with it and or don't
0:04:08change your time which is you know never
0:04:11of those things neither of those things
0:04:13are helpful to me now right yeah no I I
0:04:16I understand the reason why I was also
0:04:18asking like I need your help with this
0:04:20is because one I too would like a
0:04:22solution to jetlag that it's in
0:04:24magical but the other thing is I have I
0:04:29have also since this summer I have not
0:04:32been dealing with jetlag like I've been
0:04:35home long enough that jetlag is not a
0:04:37problem
0:04:38but what I have been dealing with is
0:04:41clearly my whole sleep cycle is just
0:04:44messed up from an entire summer of
0:04:47strain schedules and frequent travel and
0:04:50it's not jetlag but it's kind of a
0:04:54virtual jetlag when you're trying to
0:04:56simply iron out your sleep schedule and
0:04:59this has been the like the bane of my
0:05:03last several weeks is is just trying to
0:05:06get my brain back into what I know is
0:05:09the optimal schedule for me for work and
0:05:11for happiness and it's just like I
0:05:12cannot I cannot do it like I can feel my
0:05:16brain resisting getting put back into a
0:05:20regular schedule after two months three
0:05:23months without a regular schedule and as
0:05:26well for me the irony is not lost upon
0:05:28the fact that I have returned home with
0:05:30this terrible sleep cycle and what is
0:05:32probably the busiest two weeks of my
0:05:34year these two weeks are the busiest two
0:05:35weeks of your year iPhone season oh of
0:05:38course I was thinking I was thinking why
0:05:41is Mike so busy in early September
0:05:44but yes by the time of course episode
0:05:47comes out the iPhone will have been
0:05:49shown to the world or will about to be
0:05:51shown to the world so by the time most
0:05:54people hear this they're even getting
0:05:55ready for an iPhone keno or have already
0:05:57seen it that's exciting so they're
0:06:00living in a future where we have or do
0:06:04not have face unlocking we have or do
0:06:06not have touch ID and a big screen you
0:06:09know that the people they know gray they
0:06:11had they lured that over us right now
0:06:13we're stuck in the past we're stuck in
0:06:15the past
0:06:15yeah although somehow while we're
0:06:18recording this show it feels like we're
0:06:20already in in that glorious new iPhone
0:06:23future yeah so while I'm talking to you
0:06:25right now it feels slightly like
0:06:26time-traveling but it isn't but yes of
0:06:30course for for you in particular for a
0:06:33man who does so many tech and tech
0:06:36adjacent shows
0:06:37would be the busiest season and not a
0:06:40good time to have a bunch of jet lag
0:06:42interfering with the rest of your work
0:06:44no luckily they didn't have the event or
0:06:47announced the event before I came home
0:06:49like who or that it just didn't overlap
0:06:52that like it badly luckily when they
0:06:54announced it they announced it was like
0:06:56it's gonna be in two weeks time so I was
0:06:57able to just come home and then try and
0:07:00deal with myself and then get back to
0:07:02work again so unfortunately I will just
0:07:05I will just live with my weird sleep
0:07:07cycle for now and hopefully in October I
0:07:11will fixed it ready to go back to the US
0:07:13again so hooray pray for her jet lag I
0:07:18guess by the time that I get this thing
0:07:23fixed I'll have to break it again this
0:07:25is what happens this is what happens
0:07:27when you have to do a bunch of travel
0:07:29it's just it's it's frustrating and and
0:07:32this cut this kind of thing really does
0:07:35take a while to sort out like getting it
0:07:38getting into I find for me anyway
0:07:41personally like maybe the number one
0:07:44predictor of how well a day is going to
0:07:48go is if I got up at the time that I'm
0:07:51supposed to like if you had to if you
0:07:53had to take a single data point and see
0:07:56if it was most correlated with what I
0:07:59would consider a productive day that
0:08:00would be by far and away the single data
0:08:02point that would matter most and it's it
0:08:06is very because uh like unlike unlike so
0:08:11many other things in our working life
0:08:13sleep is a thing that is is like you you
0:08:17really have no control over it you can't
0:08:21you can't just knuckle down and and get
0:08:25to sleep harder then you're trying to
0:08:27get to sleep at this very moment and at
0:08:30least for me like if you wake up and
0:08:32your body wasn't ready to wake up it
0:08:34feels like you have woken up dead it's
0:08:37it's just awful and it's it's so it's so
0:08:39hard to do anything productive I don't
0:08:42know it's like a thing that is just
0:08:43interesting that at least I find that as
0:08:46as time has gone on like this matters
0:08:49more and more as a thing that is is
0:08:52super important it is the thing that I
0:08:53focus on and try to keep on a regular
0:08:57schedule but yeah after after the summer
0:09:01it like this is a this is a thing that I
0:09:03have personally been struggling to get
0:09:05back into a regular schedule for awhile
0:09:07but it's like I can just I can feel my
0:09:09brain just pulling against against the
0:09:12regular schedule even though of course
0:09:14like it would be better for me in the
0:09:16long run but like it doesn't that
0:09:18doesn't help you in the short run if you
0:09:20could choose to not sleep but lose 25%
0:09:25of your productivity would you take that
0:09:28wait I get an additional third of my
0:09:32life back so you get all the time back
0:09:34okay but you want 25% less productive
0:09:38would you take that deal
0:09:40yeah yeah that seems like a great deal
0:09:43I'm getting 33 I'm getting a third of my
0:09:46life back and I'm only losing a quarter
0:09:48of productivity but it seems like an
0:09:50amazing deal okay what if you lost a
0:09:52third of your productivity so it just it
0:09:55just ended up balancing out would you
0:09:57take it then okay so when you say when
0:10:00you say balance out you mean I get the
0:10:03same amount of stuff done that I get
0:10:05done now but I'm also I never have to
0:10:07sleep yeah yeah what's the trade-off who
0:10:11wouldn't take that but I feel like
0:10:12people enjoy sleeping right I thought
0:10:14that this is why I'm assuming so there
0:10:15are people in or that just will prefer
0:10:17to sleep if wishes have it all just
0:10:19ended up working out the same just take
0:10:21the sleep but like I would say even take
0:10:23the the option where it balances out
0:10:25because I would just end up playing more
0:10:26video games or whatever yeah I mean I
0:10:31mean I guess I guess I could say in a
0:10:34minor in a very minor way I enjoy sleep
0:10:37but that's only because sleep is it gets
0:10:39it's the your brain makes you like it
0:10:41because it's the solution to a problem
0:10:43I only ever enjoy after has happened I
0:10:46never want to do it yeah yeah oh yes
0:10:48right now actually right now saying that
0:10:53I it's half past 4:00 in the afternoon
0:10:55might be pretty feel like I could do
0:10:57have a good nap right now but I guess
0:11:00the answer to your question is now
0:11:01like I don't I don't feel like oh asleep
0:11:03is the best it's like I would much
0:11:06rather have the hours back I don't I
0:11:09don't see sleep as a recreational
0:11:11activity that is worth a third of my
0:11:14life and I can't imagine anybody would
0:11:16would see it that way I think it has a
0:11:21lot to do with how you'd like to spend
0:11:23your time right like part of it is
0:11:28because I would prefer to be working as
0:11:30much as I can when I'm awake and then
0:11:32spend the rest of the time just playing
0:11:35video games and doing the things that I
0:11:37don't want to do but not everybody wants
0:11:39to to work to that amount so I guess
0:11:42like if all you wanted to do was put in
0:11:43eight hours six hours seven hours of
0:11:46work a day or whatever it is that you
0:11:47end up putting in and you're cool with
0:11:48that like that's that's the way that you
0:11:50want to be then maybe you would want to
0:11:52sleep yeah but you could still do spend
0:11:54it as recreation time yeah but I assume
0:11:56that there are some people that enjoy
0:11:58the practice of sleep right they just
0:12:01like get into bed and cozying up and
0:12:03just just going away for a bit I don't
0:12:06think that's cortex listeners I think
0:12:08the people who listen to cortex they're
0:12:10not people who are who are big enjoyers
0:12:12of sleep I want to know in the reddit in
0:12:15the reddit I just want to know sleep on
0:12:17those leaps so you gotta tell me sleep
0:12:18on those sleep I'm interested to know
0:12:20this now if people would like to sleep
0:12:23or what wouldn't like to sleep I'll tell
0:12:25you what I'll do I will post in the
0:12:26reddit just a simple survey that you can
0:12:29click a link it will take you somewhere
0:12:31I just want to get a idea now sleep on
0:12:33those loop you'll be in the reddit
0:12:35thread you'll find it and of course all
0:12:37of the home remedies for how to take
0:12:39care of jet lag unsolicited but
0:12:41doubtless will be there you need to
0:12:42sleep Mike can take a little nap during
0:12:44the show yeah I'll uh
0:12:46I sure I see what's next in our document
0:12:49I'll just get you talking and I'll pop
0:12:51in towards the end assuming that I
0:12:54figure I know what you're gonna say so
0:12:56I'll just go away this is so far behind
0:12:59me I'll just go and sit there for a
0:13:01little bit
0:13:02mm-hmm and then I'll come back when
0:13:04you're done with your frustrations I've
0:13:06just come back from visiting my parents
0:13:08they've moved house and of course
0:13:10setting up a new house is big
0:13:13there's lots of things to do and one of
0:13:15the things you need to do when you're
0:13:16setting up a house is get a mattress for
0:13:19the guest bedroom now of course since my
0:13:21parents listen to cortex there was only
0:13:23one choice of mattress that they were
0:13:25going to get the Casper mattress was
0:13:27delivered before my arrival but as I had
0:13:30never tried one in person they saved it
0:13:32for me so when I got home on the very
0:13:35first day there was no mattress setup
0:13:37for me to sleep on but there was a big
0:13:39Casper box in the room and together we
0:13:43opened it up it was a genuinely exciting
0:13:46family event to open the box
0:13:48my dad and I arranged the mattress on
0:13:50the bed we removed the plastic covering
0:13:52and just like Casper promises the
0:13:56mattress self inflates with in mere
0:13:59moments it was ready to go that night at
0:14:02the end of a day of long travels I
0:14:04crawled into bed onto the Casper
0:14:06mattress for the first time how would
0:14:08mattress be without Springs inside how
0:14:11would a mattress be that came delivered
0:14:13in the mail well I'm here to report that
0:14:17it was good you could even say that it
0:14:19had just the right sink just the right
0:14:22bounce I was very glad that my parents
0:14:24had not carted with them the old guest
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0:15:43thanks to Casper for supporting this
0:15:45show and thanks to Casper for giving me
0:15:47excellent night sleep at my parents
0:15:49house so of course with the imminent
0:15:54release of a new iPhone comes a new
0:15:57release of iOS iOS 11 is just around the
0:16:01corner it's going to be with us soon and
0:16:05we have because we're the kind of people
0:16:08that we are Mike we've been running the
0:16:10betas for awhile I told myself like I
0:16:14tell myself every year look I'm not
0:16:16going to install the beta I'm gonna wait
0:16:18a while but of course I have to give in
0:16:20so I've been running the beta since the
0:16:22very first public beta that was
0:16:24available and I was not able to resist
0:16:26and just before it goes public I thought
0:16:30this is this is kind of a good a good
0:16:32time to talk about a couple of little
0:16:36frustrations and also what's going on
0:16:40with the doc and our home screens what
0:16:44do you say Mike are you there Mike I
0:16:46mean anytime you talk about home screen
0:16:48so I'm ready to go you said the magic
0:16:50word revival
0:16:52let's do this I think is worth
0:16:56mentioning for a piece of long-term
0:16:57follow-up that you did not get your wish
0:17:00right of the opening of applications via
0:17:02a keyboard shortcut that nobody either
0:17:04maybe people listened to you but
0:17:06nobody's put it into place I'm pausing
0:17:10here for a moment to think about how
0:17:11much I can say I'll put it in vague ways
0:17:13that I I could say that I know this has
0:17:17been received and that there may be
0:17:21reasons that it doesn't happen that
0:17:25maybe I don't necessarily agree with but
0:17:27I don't know who knows who knows knows
0:17:29if an email huh could have been received
0:17:32or sent no no one could know there is no
0:17:35way of knowing yeah who knows if like a
0:17:38frustrating non answer was received
0:17:39nobody know
0:17:40certainly not me a week anyway so yeah I
0:17:43was I was hoping last time that before
0:17:45just just barely just just like the
0:17:48tiniest of of keyboard shortcuts added
0:17:51and that hasn't happened and I don't
0:17:53think it's going to happen in the next
0:17:55two weeks or week until the final
0:17:58version comes out so we can assume that
0:18:00that's that's definitely not the case I
0:18:02think we can feel pretty sure the fact
0:18:04that we are currently at beta 10 we're
0:18:07good we this is what it's gonna be most
0:18:09likely yeah I think so so so around this
0:18:12one of the biggest changes with iOS on
0:18:15the iPad is the introduction of the dock
0:18:18on the bottom screen and for someone
0:18:21like me and someone like you who spends
0:18:23a lot of time working on the iPad I feel
0:18:25like that that dock on the bottom
0:18:28totally changes everything
0:18:30like it it really makes the iPad a very
0:18:34different feeling device to work with
0:18:36than on the previous version of iOS and
0:18:41I've been having just some some
0:18:43interesting interesting things about how
0:18:46do i how do I arrange my dock now on my
0:18:50iPad how do I arrange my homescreen on
0:18:53on my phone and I feel like I'm I'm
0:18:55slowly going crazy because I can't I
0:18:58can't figure out what it is that I want
0:19:02to do even though I've been working with
0:19:04this for a long period of time so I took
0:19:06some screenshots today like would you
0:19:09like to see what my current setup looks
0:19:10like my various devices you know I want
0:19:13to see you don't have to ask me you
0:19:15could send me a message it's just on a
0:19:17random day in the middle of the night
0:19:18and I'd be happy to get them you know
0:19:20anytime if you have your iPad around I
0:19:23am legitimately curious to see what your
0:19:26home screen looks like um I feel like
0:19:29I'm very open to trying to figure out
0:19:30how how have people set up things on
0:19:33their iPads and on their various devices
0:19:35do you want both oh just one hashtag
0:19:38multipad lifestyle and what whatever you
0:19:40will give me I'm going to give you three
0:19:42home screen shots and you can give me
0:19:44back whatever you okay so while yours
0:19:46come through to me I'm gonna go and get
0:19:48my I dive from the other room because I
0:19:50only have one of them with me right now
0:19:51and then I can send the both to you yeah
0:19:53you go do that
0:19:55[Music]
0:20:06okay so screenshots have been exchanged
0:20:09screenshots have been exchanged I have
0:20:12yours you have mine okay let me talk
0:20:15about what's what's going on in my mind
0:20:16here my man
0:20:17so in iOS 11 especially on the iPad that
0:20:21the doc is of paramount importance it's
0:20:26the way to get to your apps because if
0:20:31you have an app that's on the dock you
0:20:33can just drag it from the dock right on
0:20:36to the screen yep and so that you can go
0:20:37into the multi app mode or you can have
0:20:39it hover over
0:20:41whereas apps that are on your home
0:20:44screen to me the home screen now becomes
0:20:47like a dead space on your iPad their
0:20:50apps that you can launch but only if you
0:20:53are already at the home screen and
0:20:56there's no there's no way to like get to
0:20:58the home screen to get to an app to then
0:21:00put it into the multi view mode so
0:21:03because of this I have decided that on
0:21:06my iPads the home screen is dead to me
0:21:08huh I don't I don't want to put a single
0:21:13app on my iPad home screen because I
0:21:16feel like what is the point of this all
0:21:19it is is a worse app launcher there's
0:21:23there's no there's no point to this
0:21:25at all so I am I am I have banned all
0:21:28app icons from the home screen on my
0:21:32iPads the dock or nothing
0:21:35you took the nuclear approach well yeah
0:21:37I actually don't think this is the
0:21:39nuclear approach because I feel like the
0:21:41architecture of iOS 11 on the iPad so
0:21:47encourages you to use the the dock that
0:21:50it feels it feels like a penalty having
0:21:53apps almost anywhere else but here's
0:21:56what I'm here's where I'm going crazy
0:21:57Mike because the iPhone doesn't work
0:22:00this way oh okay right again I wanted to
0:22:04say where we are in the world right now
0:22:06mm-hmm
0:22:07because it might we don't know yet right
0:22:09we just as this is as we stand right now
0:22:12who knows what could happen the next
0:22:13iPhone but yeah go on the iPhone doesn't
0:22:15work in this way I understand that
0:22:17yeah the iPhone doesn't work like this
0:22:20now there may be if there is a merciful
0:22:25God in the universe mm-hmm
0:22:27when the next phone comes out the next
0:22:30phone may work more similarly to the way
0:22:33the iPads do yeah there may be a little
0:22:35dock that swipes up from the bottom you
0:22:38know it could be better when the next
0:22:40iPhone come one can only hope one can
0:22:44only hope but you know what it's it's
0:22:45not gonna be it's not gonna be the same
0:22:47because there's not going to be a
0:22:49universe in which you can put a tie cons
0:22:53in the dock on your phone yeah it's only
0:22:55gonna be full right and maybe a fold of
0:22:57still that's gonna be the same yeah yeah
0:23:00and there's not going to be multitasking
0:23:03on the phone presumably huh so lots of
0:23:07things lots of things work differently
0:23:09so I I feel like I am trapped and
0:23:13trapped in this universe where
0:23:16consistency is not possible that there
0:23:18there is no there is no solution that
0:23:22works everywhere the same that I want it
0:23:25to work I feel like when I'm using my
0:23:26phone I'm losing my mind about how do I
0:23:29launch apps on my phone versus launching
0:23:31apps on my iPad and as a result of this
0:23:36like what you are seeing what you were
0:23:39seeing in these screenshots is just my
0:23:41current state of arranging things which
0:23:45is not good but what I can't tell you
0:23:47well well I got what I I don't even want
0:23:49to know is how how many different ways I
0:23:52have tried arranging things how many
0:23:56different placements I have tried like
0:23:58different fault like I'm going crazy
0:24:00because there's a lack of consistency
0:24:02because as listeners to the show we'll
0:24:04know we've talked about home screens a
0:24:06few times and there's been something
0:24:10that for for the entirety of my iOS use
0:24:14has been exactly the same which is three
0:24:18icons in the dock and those icons have
0:24:21been incredibly stable notes launch
0:24:25Center pro and OmniFocus and I felt like
0:24:28that was a real a real sin
0:24:31during location two here is a thing that
0:24:34is consistent across all of the devices
0:24:37that you use there's like a little a
0:24:39little launching station for the things
0:24:41that you want to access quickly and
0:24:43consistently everywhere and it's the
0:24:45same on all of the devices and then
0:24:47above that because I live the multipad
0:24:50lifestyle and because I have a phone as
0:24:52well you can arrange the icons that you
0:24:54use in particular on this device on the
0:24:58home screen all right but it's like but
0:25:00all of that is gone now so I'm just
0:25:03going crazy I I deconstructed my dock
0:25:07I've put some new stuff in there and I'm
0:25:09trying to figure out what to do but I'm
0:25:11just I'm going crazy like I'm going
0:25:13absolutely crazy and I don't know what
0:25:15to do alright so episode 2 episode we've
0:25:18switched the crazy
0:25:19alright that's it's all on you now buddy
0:25:22I have we have a lot I think that we
0:25:25want to get to about this today but I
0:25:28just we need to just go over okay we're
0:25:32gonna come back to the dock alright and
0:25:33like kind of what that is but I just
0:25:35have a bunch of questions first because
0:25:37I'm looking at these images and it's all
0:25:39yeah here's like you you ask questions
0:25:42away because I don't even know what's
0:25:43happening in my world anyway so my god I
0:25:45don't I don't know what I don't
0:25:46understand from a fundamental
0:25:48perspective is you're complaining about
0:25:50consistency but you have inconsistent
0:25:52apps in both the dogs on your iPad's I
0:25:54don't get that I don't get it like you
0:25:57can look at my screen shots and you'll
0:25:58see the docks are the same the home
0:26:00screens stiffer in slight ways depending
0:26:02on what I do on those iPads but the
0:26:05docks are the same what I'm putting in
0:26:07them and where they go and you have like
0:26:09all different apps in all different
0:26:11placements and like some apps are on the
0:26:14dock on one and not on the other like
0:26:16there is no consistency and you are
0:26:18making it inconsistent for yourself okay
0:26:21Evernote look at Evernote just sitting
0:26:23there in the dock my word where are we
0:26:25in 2017 sitting in that in the dock
0:26:27laughing at me I know next - what is
0:26:31that that red fox arrow thing what's
0:26:34that oh that that's a wikipedia viewer
0:26:36oh yeah I've seen those before it's
0:26:39really good
0:26:40it's called vv4 wiki I think is the
0:26:42search for it
0:26:44so it's a really great Wikipedia viewer
0:26:46so here's where I'm trying to focus on
0:26:48consistency in my world okay step one I
0:26:51decided that it was it was time to let
0:26:56launch Center Pro go okay which threat
0:27:00may be one of the longest running apps
0:27:02on my phone that has changed the least
0:27:04it's like that has been around for
0:27:07forever we were just talking about it
0:27:09about the icon well well this is why I'm
0:27:11on the episode out of time it comes up
0:27:15as a thing and I didn't want to specify
0:27:17anything at that point in time but I had
0:27:19already when we recorded that show
0:27:20gotten rid of Launch Center right
0:27:22because on an episode out of time you
0:27:23cannot acknowledge at the time who knows
0:27:27when it a guy's is that the rule for
0:27:29episodes at a times I don't understand
0:27:30how that works
0:27:31so I got rid of that now I have tried I
0:27:33have tried other launchers and I think
0:27:36other launchers are probably fine for
0:27:39other people mm-hm but alright it's like
0:27:42I don't want to denigrate other
0:27:43launchers that people might use because
0:27:45they are they are good and they do but
0:27:46like there's bunch of things I didn't
0:27:48like and I'm very picky about this and
0:27:50there's like the reason I had stuck with
0:27:51launch Center Pro for as long as I had
0:27:53is because I could it solved a
0:27:55particular need very well so I was
0:27:56thinking it through and realizing 95% of
0:28:00what I was using launched Center Pro for
0:28:02in the past year was really as a way to
0:28:07kick off a bunch of workflows so I had a
0:28:10whole bunch of stuff in the workflow app
0:28:11and launch center Pro was just a faster
0:28:14way to launch a workflow than going
0:28:16directly into the workflow app itself
0:28:18this what I'm about to say is going to
0:28:20sound crazy to people but actually is I
0:28:23think is great and is that the part of
0:28:25the system on the happiest with is I
0:28:27replaced launch Center Pro with a folder
0:28:32that just has shortcuts to workflows
0:28:36this is better the way you were doing it
0:28:38was worse like opening launch Center Pro
0:28:41to launch workflows is a I think a
0:28:45slower way of doing it than what you're
0:28:46currently doing which is to save because
0:28:49you can save workflows to the iPhone
0:28:52homescreen with like this weird hack of
0:28:54Safari basically and this is quicker
0:28:57having
0:28:57folder there and then hittin the button
0:28:59that's one less tap the reason I stuck
0:29:01with LAN Center pro is as long as I did
0:29:03is it was lightning fast to do it it
0:29:05actually is a little bit slower with the
0:29:07folder okay because apples like look at
0:29:10our beautiful enemy okay Russian speed
0:29:13okay yeah whereas especially if launch
0:29:16Center Pro was still kept in memory it
0:29:18was essentially instant so there's a
0:29:20little bit of a speed trade-off here but
0:29:22it's fine I still think this is a battle
0:29:24way to do it though might not be faster
0:29:27but I think this is this is cleaner but
0:29:29yeah yeah so this is this is cleaner it
0:29:33does have a disadvantage that I have to
0:29:35manually arrange everything so that it's
0:29:38the same on all of the devices there's
0:29:39no syncing anymore the state of what the
0:29:42launch center is but that's that's fine
0:29:44that's a fine trade-off and if someone
0:29:46looks in the screenshots what they will
0:29:48see is dead center on all of my devices
0:29:52there is a folder and that folder has
0:29:55nothing but buttons which launch
0:29:57workflow yeah it's it's dead center but
0:30:00not always relative what do you mean not
0:30:02always relative it's not relative to the
0:30:04green and red okay no we'll get into
0:30:07this in a second we'll get into this in
0:30:08a second like right for a long time this
0:30:11is like the onion of home screens were
0:30:13in right now no but listen okay listen
0:30:15listen look at those three screens yep
0:30:17the workflow folder is that Center look
0:30:22look at those the little dots that are
0:30:24supposed to show you the home screen or
0:30:25the widgets I can see that is the center
0:30:28right it's fine the folder is directly
0:30:31below those dots are as close as a
0:30:32person can make it yes it is itis I'm
0:30:35sorry it's not it's not perfectly
0:30:37aligned because of some aesthetic
0:30:39choices that Apple has made but we'll
0:30:42just let that slide right now yeah that
0:30:43is we aligned it's finally iPhone not
0:30:47not not fine on the big iPad yeah not
0:30:50not fine on the I on the iPad so that
0:30:52doesn't bother you at all it does very
0:30:56much so okay alright so this is this is
0:31:00the anchor around which we're building
0:31:02everything is gotten rid of Launch
0:31:04Center Pro I have found an adequate
0:31:06solution it's going to go in the center
0:31:08on all of the devices this is where we
0:31:11begin
0:31:11my assumption here is that these are all
0:31:14to launch most likely toggle actions
0:31:18would be my assumption nothing in that
0:31:21center folder is for toggle we'll get to
0:31:23this okay good all right I was gonna be
0:31:25in the discussion and I was gonna lose
0:31:27my mind no actually uh most of those
0:31:34Launch Center things are pre-programmed
0:31:36stuff for OmniFocus and a like a couple
0:31:39of other okay the purple once I assume I
0:31:41OmniFocus and purple ones are OmniFocus
0:31:44stuff that's cool that's all I really
0:31:45need to know I just needed to know what
0:31:48they did and that's enough for me it's
0:31:49all inconsistent now because I haven't
0:31:51quite decided on like what this new
0:31:53setup is going to be so I haven't
0:31:54worried about making sure it's
0:31:56consistent on every single device but
0:31:58I'll get there at some point I've just
0:31:59noticed something else that you've done
0:32:01okay what have you noticed in the iPad
0:32:03folders you've put blank icons in there
0:32:06so it's always the same yes okay so this
0:32:09is this is one way this is one way I am
0:32:15trying to force consistency out of an
0:32:19operating system that is trying to force
0:32:21me into an inconsistent state if you
0:32:23want the three by three grid everywhere
0:32:25because the thing with a launcher is
0:32:27that it's muscle memory right it's
0:32:30you're not like scanning and looking for
0:32:33a thing you're trying to make it muscle
0:32:35memory gosh so the iPhone only allows a
0:32:39three by three grid in the folder so I I
0:32:42am forcing a three by three grid in the
0:32:45folder on the iPad but as you can see
0:32:48that means the 3 by 3 grid is not
0:32:51centered and it can't possibly be
0:32:53centered because the iPads want a four
0:32:56by four grid in the folder so this is
0:32:58this is a trade-off I'm just going to
0:32:59have to make that the grid will be
0:33:00off-center but there's there's no
0:33:02there's no way to manage that for the
0:33:04launcher one and the muscle memory of
0:33:06where the buttons are is vastly more
0:33:08important all of these images are in our
0:33:10show notes so you can play along at home
0:33:12I just wanted to read yeah I think I
0:33:14have to look at this yeah it does you
0:33:17cannot conceptualize this unless you're
0:33:18seeing it so you have to see it if
0:33:20you're driving just wait till later
0:33:22we're all good
0:33:24you need to see this rethink number two
0:33:26okay can't believe we're just done
0:33:28number two okay I know you can't you
0:33:30can't believe we're just not number two
0:33:31I feel like I'm barely halfway through
0:33:33whatever is going to happen like oh yeah
0:33:35so I'm still so dissatisfied like we're
0:33:37just solving our questions like this
0:33:39things I keep seeing things that make me
0:33:41love and I because I know what you're
0:33:43doing but I just need to double check
0:33:45thing number two that happened is
0:33:47there's a change in iOS 11 which I
0:33:50really like which is that you can put
0:33:53notes in control center and so I
0:33:57realized I don't need notes on the dock
0:33:59anymore because the way I use notes is
0:34:03probably different from the way almost
0:34:04everybody uses notes and that I I use it
0:34:07solely to just write down something and
0:34:10then once a week I kind of go through
0:34:12and call all these random pieces of text
0:34:15throughout the week look I don't use
0:34:17notes as an organizational system of any
0:34:20kind notes is just I need to write
0:34:22something down and I know future me will
0:34:25do whatever is necessary with this piece
0:34:26of text at a later point okay couple of
0:34:28questions on that yeah are you writing
0:34:30them down with a keyboard or with a
0:34:32pencil with it with the keyboard all
0:34:35most of it okay and so I'm assuming that
0:34:39you're taking these things and either
0:34:41putting them in a task manager or inside
0:34:44of a project that you're already writing
0:34:46and or inside of your beloved Evernote
0:34:48will be myself yeah it's like it's just
0:34:51anything right like if the simple case
0:34:54like somebody recommends a movie I'm
0:34:55like oh okay and I make it I'm making
0:34:56over the movie title and then later I'll
0:34:59properly sort that into like the place
0:35:00where I keep a list of here's a bunch of
0:35:02movies to watch or books that have been
0:35:03recommended all right it's it's just
0:35:05like little pieces of text that don't go
0:35:07anywhere in particular and it's not
0:35:08worth the effort of properly sorting
0:35:11them at the time right okay this is
0:35:13different to me where like if it's text
0:35:16it goes in notes right if it's not a
0:35:18task because tasks never go in notes it
0:35:21always just like so I would have my list
0:35:24of movies to see would be in notes for
0:35:26example I know that that is the way most
0:35:28people would use it but it's just it's
0:35:30just not the way that I you sure I get
0:35:32that if anybody uses the app called
0:35:34drafts I use notes the way drafts is in
0:35:37tended to be used like yes that's like a
0:35:40little comparison there so it's not a
0:35:42storage facility of any points a
0:35:44starting point for text never the final
0:35:46point yeah exactly
0:35:48and I really like this little change in
0:35:50iOS 11 that you can do it from control
0:35:52center because it also means that it's
0:35:54it's it's much more accessible much more
0:35:57quickly in a bunch of scenario so I love
0:35:59that the phone is locked and I can just
0:36:01swipe up from control center and and go
0:36:04to notes and type something and and it
0:36:06just goes into the system and I never
0:36:07even need to unlock the phone yeah
0:36:08that's that's a great that's a great
0:36:09thing that you can do that now yeah if
0:36:11you want to set it up that way it is a
0:36:13really nice addition and so that that
0:36:15change meant
0:36:17okay well notes doesn't need to be on
0:36:18the dock anymore
0:36:20right notes can just go away yeah and in
0:36:22an interesting way that kind of
0:36:24reinforces your use case it's almost
0:36:27like it's designed exactly for that like
0:36:30Oh someone just said a thing you want to
0:36:32write something down really quickly and
0:36:33you just want it to go into the system
0:36:35are you not
0:36:36you're not filing it at that point in
0:36:38time so I'm glad about that
0:36:41but again I'm all like muscle memory
0:36:42because this is a thing that happens
0:36:44lots so I want I just want to know that
0:36:48whatever device I'm using I've built it
0:36:51into my brain that oh the way you now
0:36:53type down a thing is just pull up
0:36:56control center hit new note and just
0:36:58type it and done right so this is no
0:37:00longer a dock first activity mm-hmm Omni
0:37:04focus has also been removed from the
0:37:06dock but this is a complicated thing
0:37:07we'll just we'll just have to get get to
0:37:09later right for very for various reasons
0:37:11OmniFocus is not going to be on the dock
0:37:13anymore but it's like I can't I can't
0:37:15even articulate a fiower I phone you
0:37:16mean yes it's not it's not on the dock
0:37:18of the iPhone because it's on the dock
0:37:19of one of the iPads I know I know and
0:37:22it's reinforcing the inconsistency but
0:37:24yes I know I know
0:37:26yes that's like well just it's not gonna
0:37:27be on the dock on the iPhone we'll just
0:37:29we'll give it oh I just noticed is there
0:37:31as well
0:37:32Wow look at you would you'd look at you
0:37:35mister to do pants you gotta go into
0:37:37stuff we just stop jumping ahead you
0:37:42shouldn't have given me the images you
0:37:43know like I can't I can't help it
0:37:45okay so there was then a long period of
0:37:48thinking well what the hell goes on my
0:37:50dog
0:37:50now for a while I tried nothing on the
0:37:54dock except that one folder but that
0:37:57looks really dumb and it makes it makes
0:37:59no sense on the iPads because again like
0:38:02you're punished for not using the dock
0:38:04on the iPads and just having the one
0:38:06little launcher folder is is ridiculous
0:38:08what I have eventually settled on for my
0:38:13dock icons there's a green plus and
0:38:15there's a red X and they're from I was
0:38:19trying to think what is that what is the
0:38:20thing that I now do the most in the day
0:38:24I've replaced I've replaced my launcher
0:38:26I've replaced the thing where I'm typing
0:38:28in stuff what is the next most frequent
0:38:31activity and of course that is
0:38:33everybody's favorite topic time tracking
0:38:36time tracking is the thing that I do the
0:38:39most promise we won't talk about things
0:38:40too long listeners I really I just want
0:38:42you we will get through this as far as
0:38:45quickly as we can but yes go on I
0:38:47promise you that we will as well because
0:38:49there isn't that much to say about it
0:38:50except what do these two buttons do
0:38:52they are also workflows yeah so the
0:38:56green one simply launches may a master
0:39:00workflow that allows me to very quickly
0:39:01select what is the activity that I'm
0:39:03doing right now this is what I'd assumed
0:39:05they were and I thought that the middle
0:39:07folder was related to just triggering
0:39:09specific trackers but that that makes
0:39:12sense like the green and red it make
0:39:14perfect sense one is to start and one is
0:39:17to stop I mean and I have these but
0:39:18they're in I have them in my widgets in
0:39:21Notification Center so this is a thing
0:39:23that I had tried for a long time
0:39:25workflow has a fantastic widget it's
0:39:28really really great but basically in in
0:39:31iOS 10 there was an option to say hey
0:39:34your Notification Center it's dumb I
0:39:37don't ever use it I don't care remember
0:39:39what the thing I swipe down last time
0:39:41was so if I've pulled down the widgets
0:39:45always just have the widgets there but
0:39:47iOS 11 seems really proud of their
0:39:49Notification Center and they've removed
0:39:51this option so I like in theory I would
0:39:55want to use the widget to launch and to
0:39:59stop my time tracking like across all
0:40:02devices that'd be a way to do it
0:40:04consists
0:40:04gently but that that extra swipe really
0:40:07annoys me every time doesn't it work if
0:40:10you just swipe to the left okay but this
0:40:13is this is a thing that then becomes a
0:40:15little bit in my mind like it like an
0:40:17inconsistent thing like which device am
0:40:20i using how do i open up that device
0:40:23like am i on the lock screen is the lock
0:40:26screen open or is a lock screen not I
0:40:28tried it with the widget but it's it's
0:40:32just a little bit of an annoyance I
0:40:35don't feel that it's also an annoyance
0:40:38but here's the use case that here's the
0:40:41use case that I will give you which is
0:40:42I'm on the iPad doing something and I
0:40:46want to trigger the timer okay yeah
0:40:49where do I have to pull down I can't
0:40:51home yeah it's right I can't yeah
0:40:54there's like in so it's not the same
0:40:56every time
0:40:57and this it this again is where muscle
0:40:59memory is really important like this is
0:41:00an activity that I'm going to do dozens
0:41:03of times a day it has to be something
0:41:07that I just don't think about so that
0:41:10that moment of being on the iPad with
0:41:12the apps open is like I'd it's I have to
0:41:14think about it for a second and now it's
0:41:16now it's all ruined so that this is what
0:41:19ended up with the like the the most
0:41:20sensible thing to do was to put the time
0:41:23tracking stuff in the dock and so I'm
0:41:26thinking of it from the perspective of
0:41:28the most space constrained device which
0:41:32is the iPhone which you can only put
0:41:35three icons in the dock if you want it
0:41:37to look nice so now I have my three dock
0:41:40icons and so now we come to the iPads
0:41:45okay and so I have given you two
0:41:50screenshots because we live the multipad
0:41:53lifestyle ashtag
0:41:54yes hashtag multi pad lifestyle the one
0:41:56with the standard Apple wallpaper which
0:42:00is like the exploding paint this is my
0:42:03office iPad so this is the one that I'm
0:42:05primarily using for writing and then the
0:42:08one with the black sand beach this is
0:42:10the everything else iPad okay so the
0:42:17writing I've had is reasonably okay
0:42:20because the use cases are are very
0:42:22constrained and this is where I feel the
0:42:25happiest because it's like I want to use
0:42:27Ulysses to write I want to use good
0:42:30notes for the physical writing I use
0:42:34bear as a to organize a bunch of notes
0:42:36and then then of course I have Evernote
0:42:38and a Wikipedia app and it's like this
0:42:42is easily 95 percent at the time I'm
0:42:45going to spend on this iPad so I can get
0:42:47it all in the doc and I can get it
0:42:49arranged reasonably nicely now the thing
0:42:51that I'm trying to do to preserve my
0:42:53mental muscle memory is because since
0:42:55Docs are variable in size there's three
0:42:59muscle memory points here center left
0:43:02hand side right hand side so this is
0:43:06what I want now to be the same across
0:43:07all devices so the launching folder is
0:43:10in the center the plus to start the
0:43:12timer is on the left and the X to stop
0:43:15the timer is on the right this is this
0:43:17is what's going to be the same across
0:43:19all devices and all that means now is I
0:43:22need to put a symmetrical number of apps
0:43:26in between those points so am I writing
0:43:29iPad I have three apps between the left
0:43:31and the middle and on the right hand
0:43:34side I have two apps plus a folder that
0:43:39contains everything else that's on the
0:43:41iPad since I've decided that there will
0:43:44be no apps on the home screen
0:43:46that means everything else goes into the
0:43:49infinity folder that holds all of the
0:43:52other apps that are going to exist on
0:43:54the iPad so this this is this is the
0:43:57idea of my doc solution is you have one
0:44:01folder that's the Infinity folder I have
0:44:04three muscle memory points and then I
0:44:07fill in the rest that's that's the idea
0:44:10of what's going on can I ask you a
0:44:11question about the muscle memory thing
0:44:13please why didn't you put all three in
0:44:15the middle on everything because on the
0:44:18big iPad because you have the recents
0:44:19it's not on the far right in iOS 11 you
0:44:23have this option of because the dock is
0:44:26so important
0:44:26iOS will put three suggested apps in
0:44:30your dock
0:44:30on the right side and these you don't
0:44:35have control over they just they just
0:44:37appear they're the suggestions they're
0:44:38they're what Apple thinks you want to
0:44:41have now there's there's like a funny
0:44:44bit of space that's between these apps
0:44:48and the other apps that makes everything
0:44:50kind of off-center and having the three
0:44:53right in the middle but not exactly in
0:44:56the middle is makes it more obvious that
0:44:59things are off-center to me it just
0:45:02visually bothered me more okay so you
0:45:05tried it yeah okay I tried it but it
0:45:08just looked weird and I can in my mind
0:45:12sort of mentally place those suggested
0:45:16apps in a different location and you'd
0:45:18like the suggested apps enough to keep
0:45:20it on the big iPad because it's not on
0:45:22the well well we're trying with we're
0:45:26trying a few things here all right but
0:45:27we'll get to this in a second it also
0:45:30helped that the the red X I press far
0:45:32less than the start button all right so
0:45:33it matters less that that one is in the
0:45:35exact right spot but for me from my
0:45:38brain this just works even though it
0:45:41should seem like keeping everything in
0:45:43the center would would make more sense
0:45:45but I don't for like for me for somehow
0:45:47this is just what seems to make more
0:45:50sense as put them at the edges even
0:45:52though on one of these devices there
0:45:53isn't quite an edge so that so this is
0:45:58what I am trying but this again like
0:45:59this world of inconsistency is
0:46:01crazy-making
0:46:02because on the iPad that I use for
0:46:05everything I do have these suggested
0:46:07apps because it's it's really useful to
0:46:10have them there but I I don't want them
0:46:13on my dedicated sort of writing office
0:46:16iPad because they're often just
0:46:18suggesting apps to me which are in the
0:46:21dock already right are there things that
0:46:22I've just used and and there changing is
0:46:25annoying like it's it's not helpful
0:46:26because on that device I'm able to get
0:46:28just about everything that I want in the
0:46:30dock in the dock this is this is where I
0:46:32am with the setup of things I have a
0:46:34couple of observations one I enjoy the
0:46:38fact that you have decided that you I'm
0:46:40willing to take the colors of some icons
0:46:42and
0:46:43we created icons of your own books and
0:46:46audiobooks
0:46:47I'm assuming that they are lot they are
0:46:49literally just shortcuts to launch by
0:46:52ebooks and audible and you have taken
0:46:56matters into your own hands and have
0:46:58gone for a more pleasing green to you
0:47:00green color than the yellows I have
0:47:04taken matters in my own hands there's
0:47:05another one that you have missed there
0:47:06was no I I hadn't missed that I had
0:47:09assumed that that wasn't real but the
0:47:12ebooks and audiobooks were more obvious
0:47:14to me yeah flashcards is a shortcut to
0:47:18the program I've been using for years
0:47:20and years which is called Anki which is
0:47:22it's great it's it's a fantastic
0:47:24flashcard program but it has a very ugly
0:47:27app that I don't think has been updated
0:47:30in years and years I can tell how long
0:47:32you've been using it because you keep
0:47:34calling it a program which is very
0:47:37that's you know what that's totally yeah
0:47:39it is a program because I started using
0:47:42it in college on a computer that is the
0:47:44program everything else is an app I love
0:47:47you know that your brain made that
0:47:49distinction this is a this is a computer
0:47:52program yeah I would never have used
0:47:55that and then because Amazon finally
0:47:57introduced proper text alignment in
0:47:59their app I don't switch back to using
0:48:02Kindles which is great but what but but
0:48:05that Kindle app icon is horrific Lee
0:48:09ugly do you know I was like I will not
0:48:12allow that on my screen like I don't
0:48:14want to have to look at that
0:48:15I hate that the apps have the words
0:48:17beneath the app to begin with and then
0:48:20any any app which also has to write its
0:48:22own name on the app icon in addition to
0:48:25the title underneath as I I can't deal
0:48:27with that it's it's horrible it's like
0:48:28Kindle like yeah I get it Kindle like I
0:48:31see the word twice I hate it so I just
0:48:34made a I made a much better icon using
0:48:36using workflows and then they use so yes
0:48:40that's I have some I have some
0:48:42replacements app icons cool for ones
0:48:44that are that are unacceptable except
0:48:46for the fact that you're running three
0:48:48to do apps on your iPhone I think that's
0:48:53most of my general questions
0:48:56on my phone there just just to be clear
0:48:58that that to do row which is four icons
0:49:02yeah it's a two-lane just quickly so
0:49:05people don't think I'm going crazy it's
0:49:07like the do is for reminders that are
0:49:09related to a particular time or timers
0:49:10that I want to run as we've discussed in
0:49:12the past but we don't need to go over
0:49:15here again it is useful to split certain
0:49:18kinds of tasks between to do and
0:49:21OmniFocus so OmniFocus is generally like
0:49:24big project stuff and to do is much much
0:49:27smaller things and then to do issed is
0:49:30what i use to communicate with my
0:49:33personal assistant so that is like
0:49:35shared tasks between the two of us Oh
0:49:37Vonda list is dead oh yes yeah wonder
0:49:41list is gone maybe I should call this
0:49:44one two diced like I have to give this
0:49:46one a new name now because vendor list
0:49:48is gone no you don't know we don't need
0:49:51to do that to joist is actually a pretty
0:49:53funny name I like that but I used to do
0:49:56it and loved it so I wouldn't give it a
0:49:59different name
0:50:00even though vendor list is the way that
0:50:01that app should be pronounced anyway
0:50:04yeah to do it interesting okay what do
0:50:08you think of to do this cuz this one I
0:50:09use every day I mean I install its
0:50:11virtues I like the automation a bit
0:50:13that's pretty good for you if you're
0:50:14using it for shared tasks to have things
0:50:16automated from it it's probably pretty
0:50:18good
0:50:18I actually actually don't use any of the
0:50:21automation features in it this this is a
0:50:24case where basically my assistant now
0:50:27we're running up against some
0:50:28limitations in wonder list we just ran
0:50:31into some things are like this isn't
0:50:32this isn't working great anymore
0:50:34and primarily one of the things was like
0:50:36the need to be able to prioritize
0:50:37certain tasks above others she is the
0:50:39one who is 95% using this and I am I'm
0:50:42simply like adding tasks and adding
0:50:44comments so I feel like I can't really
0:50:47give a fair review of two DUIs yeah like
0:50:50what what I would I do use of it I can
0:50:53say like I'm not a huge fan and it feels
0:50:57like there's some really obvious things
0:50:59that are missing but but I can say that
0:51:02it is definitely a better collaboration
0:51:05solution when your collaboration gets
0:51:07more complicate
0:51:08like that that's clearly the case
0:51:10goodbye Linda list goodbye it's been a
0:51:13it's been a pleasure I feel I feel a
0:51:15little exhausted from all the explaining
0:51:17I've done of this of this setup that I
0:51:19have here Mike and I feel like I've
0:51:22barely even scratched the surface it
0:51:24might be your time for a nap yeah it
0:51:26might be it might be my time for a nap
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0:53:13you use the two different eye pads for
0:53:17like what are those what are the use
0:53:18cases for you of your two devices right
0:53:20now
0:53:21so primarily like the primary use cases
0:53:24are home and out of home so I used the
0:53:30twelve point nine and away from home I
0:53:31used a ten point five but I do use the
0:53:35ten point five a lot at home
0:53:36if I'm going to be doing things like
0:53:40reading Twitter and stuff like that
0:53:43I may just grab the ten point five
0:53:44because it's just easier to hold in use
0:53:46because it's smaller and lighter but
0:53:49like the primary is home and away which
0:53:52is why I take steps to set them up very
0:53:55similarly they're not exactly the same
0:53:59select some of the folders and the
0:54:01placement some apps on the home screen
0:54:02is different but that's not a thing that
0:54:04I worry about too much because if it's
0:54:08not in the dock I'm opening it via
0:54:10spotlight right and so like for me I I
0:54:15am the reason I still have apps on my
0:54:17home screen is because they're really
0:54:19just a organization thing it's just like
0:54:21a place for me to put the apps because I
0:54:23open them the majority of apps from from
0:54:25spotlight all right okay so that makes
0:54:28sense since you are doing the same kind
0:54:30of things on both devices it's it's a
0:54:33simple it's simply the size factor and
0:54:36convenience factor of moving it or not
0:54:38moving it exactly that makes it so
0:54:40that's why you want the dock the same
0:54:41everywhere because otherwise you would
0:54:43be losing your mind and my steps are
0:54:44like so I have less I there are you can
0:54:50have more apps in the dock on the 12.9
0:54:53but I actually less because I like the
0:54:55consistency I have noticed an
0:54:57inconsistency which I want to rectify
0:54:59that Dropbox on the large iPad is in the
0:55:02dock on its own but on the the small
0:55:05iPad it's in a folder although I expect
0:55:07as soon as Dropbox update for the files
0:55:09app on iOS 11 I won't need it anymore
0:55:12really yeah I'm kind of just waiting for
0:55:15that point so the dock for me is really
0:55:19like these are the apps that I'm using
0:55:20most on my iPad and I think it
0:55:23reinforces the fact that I say I use the
0:55:25iPad for work because they are work apps
0:55:28like all of those that's what they are
0:55:31and the reason that they are all there
0:55:33is because these are the application
0:55:35that I'm most frequently using in split
0:55:38views so I keep them in the dock because
0:55:40it's way easier that way to just flick
0:55:42up and just drag it to where I need it
0:55:43to be which just all the record because
0:55:46there is a lot of a there's a lot of
0:55:48inconsistent opinions about how people
0:55:51feel about this
0:55:51I love the new multitasking in iOS 11 I
0:55:55think it's fantastic I think it is
0:55:57superior in almost every way it just
0:56:00takes time to get used to and learn but
0:56:02I absolutely love it I love all the
0:56:05dragging because I am able to visualize
0:56:08where everything's going to be is is
0:56:09very visual I think that that is a there
0:56:12I think there is a key to being able to
0:56:14work on iOS in the if you like things
0:56:17visual I think that is the thing you
0:56:19have to just get used to is that you'd
0:56:21like to be able to see things you like
0:56:23to be able to see the movement of things
0:56:25and being able to physically drag
0:56:28application to where I want them to be
0:56:30and have them snap into a place and move
0:56:32them all around and the additional
0:56:35flexibility that iOS Elevens
0:56:36multitasking has is amazing and I love
0:56:39it and I've changed some of my workflows
0:56:41and they're changed now and I would
0:56:42never want to change them back yeah I do
0:56:47again just want to make it really clear
0:56:48that I am also like in favor of the
0:56:51changes and I think it's I think it's a
0:56:53really great the way that they have done
0:56:55it I've just been advocating for
0:56:56something on top of that very minor
0:56:58thing on top of that but yeah yeah of
0:57:00course I mean that there are things that
0:57:01I would like to defer that for it to do
0:57:04that are different now um but on the
0:57:06whole I am a real proponent of the
0:57:09changes that Apple has made yeah so a
0:57:12thing that I have found really
0:57:13interesting about using iOS over this
0:57:17long period of time is with my two iPads
0:57:22one that has this dedicated purpose
0:57:24which is writing and research and the
0:57:27other one which is the everything iPad
0:57:30all kinds of administrative work I see
0:57:34both sides of how this works
0:57:36so on my dedicated iPad I feel like this
0:57:40is exactly what Apple is really
0:57:42optimizing for I can put essentially all
0:57:45of the applications that I want
0:57:47use on the dock and on my writing iPad
0:57:51every app does have a consistent buddy
0:57:54that it stays with Ulysses in bear
0:57:57I'm always opening together ones the
0:57:59main writing app and and the other one
0:58:01is for auxiliary notes workflow and do
0:58:05are side by side they're always together
0:58:07like to do an OmniFocus stay together as
0:58:11a little pair so on this device
0:58:14I have consistent pairs which is great
0:58:17it's nice to see the things that I want
0:58:19next to each other next to each other
0:58:20all the time and I also have the vast
0:58:24majority of my work is just there on the
0:58:25dock and easily accessible it's like
0:58:27this is great I feel like this is
0:58:29exactly what this was this was designed
0:58:30for but I do still feel like on my
0:58:34everything iPad like I'm just I'm losing
0:58:37my mind and it's it I still find it very
0:58:39clunky and frustrating to work with
0:58:42because there I just I just don't have
0:58:45consistent pairs of apps and I find
0:58:51myself always wishing it was it was a
0:58:53bit more like spaces on on Mac OS where
0:58:55I could say like I want to define these
0:58:59two APS's together and don't don't break
0:59:02them apart if I happen to go to
0:59:05something else briefly like it's I feel
0:59:09like like like I'm building castles out
0:59:11of sand like for like for example this
0:59:13morning they're doing like storyboarding
0:59:14feedback with the animator and so like
0:59:16that is a process that has a bunch of
0:59:19apps that I want to use and it's like
0:59:21it's just I just keep finding a clunky
0:59:23to be constantly like setting up pairs
0:59:25but then I want to break them down
0:59:27because I want to bring in a third app
0:59:29but I want to go back to the previous
0:59:31thing I'm still finding it frustrating
0:59:34for like intensive use of a large number
0:59:38of varied apps but I got on the smaller
0:59:42case it's it's great and perfect but
0:59:45it's it's more frustrating that the
0:59:47larger number of apps you use I think
0:59:49the fundamental problem of people that
0:59:52feel the way that you do is thinking of
0:59:54apps as pairs I don't think that Apple
0:59:57ever really
0:59:57ever really
1:00:00you to do that you decided to think of
1:00:02it that way on your own right but what I
1:00:04mean about the the pairs though is it's
1:00:08not the thinking of them as pairs
1:00:10it's the switching like here's the use
1:00:15cases like I have one major app so it's
1:00:18like what I was doing this morning is
1:00:19the perfect case so I am watching a
1:00:22movie that's a storyboard so this is
1:00:24like the main thing that I want to look
1:00:26at and then on the side I want to be
1:00:29able to switch between three different
1:00:30things like I want to have notes that
1:00:33I'm taking in bear I need to be able to
1:00:36talk to the animator in slack and
1:00:38there's a couple of other things where I
1:00:40need like I need to bring up good notes
1:00:41to be able to make a quick sketch to
1:00:43make something that's clear and then
1:00:45Dropbox to send a link back to the
1:00:47animator who I'm talking in slack but I
1:00:49never want to close the the movie that
1:00:52I'm watching which is the thing that is
1:00:54being comments I like that workflow
1:00:55which is still very easy to do on a
1:00:58computer is is frustrating because of
1:01:01the the time it takes to switch the app
1:01:04on the side and it's also frustrating
1:01:07because of the inconsistent steps of how
1:01:11do I summon these apps like what where
1:01:14is this app that I'm trying to summer
1:01:15and like let me get it from spotlight
1:01:17when I get it from spotlight I have to
1:01:18drag it over into just the right spot I
1:01:20have to wait for the little animation to
1:01:22show me that it's going to go there like
1:01:23rapid switching between a few things is
1:01:26is noticeably slower than rapid
1:01:30switching between a few things was under
1:01:32the old system and I want to be really
1:01:33clear I'm not asking for that old system
1:01:36that's in iOS 10 you could use the
1:01:39command tab action to switch out just
1:01:42what was in the left pane I understand
1:01:44that I do miss that but I don't want it
1:01:47back there's other weird consistency
1:01:50problems that I sort of thought were
1:01:52bugs at first in iOS but I think are not
1:01:54bugs which is when you do the command
1:01:58tab switcher what apps show up in that
1:02:01list doesn't show everything and I don't
1:02:03understand what it's supposed to be
1:02:05showing that is something that I think
1:02:06is wrong however Apple are deciding to
1:02:09make that list is is wrong because it
1:02:12should
1:02:13everything and it should show pairs but
1:02:16it doesn't yeah and it should show
1:02:18things that I've just touched so it
1:02:22feels like this the thing that it seems
1:02:24to miss the most is I've summon an app
1:02:26from spotlight and dragged it into an
1:02:29overview setting or like an OP main view
1:02:32and like then it doesn't show up in the
1:02:34command switcher it's like I want that
1:02:36thing I was just there like that also
1:02:38adds to this frustration of trying to
1:02:40switch between multiple apps like it's
1:02:42so so like I guess this is this is one
1:02:46of the things that also just doesn't
1:02:48help but like what is my doc setup going
1:02:49to be and how am I going to set these
1:02:51iPads is the use case where I want to
1:02:54have the most number of things I feel
1:02:57like I really need to cram the doc full
1:03:01of stuff and and this is where you can
1:03:03you can see on my everything iPad
1:03:06screenshot like I have I have the
1:03:08Infinity folder I have the launcher
1:03:10folder but I'm also trying to make a
1:03:11little communications folder which is
1:03:13like here here are the little apps that
1:03:15I'm I'm where I'm talking to people and
1:03:17I find myself switching in and out of
1:03:19very frequently and trying to put them
1:03:22in a folder on the dock so I can get
1:03:24access to them more quickly for dropping
1:03:27into the workspace that I'm that I'm
1:03:29using like I'm trying to get around this
1:03:31but I don't I don't have a great
1:03:33solution that feels like wow I'm really
1:03:36flying through my work on this iPad it
1:03:39still feels really clunky for me to do
1:03:42that so I can see in the specific use
1:03:46case that you've posted and that you
1:03:47want to use three apps plus for video
1:03:50right and I'm assuming picturing picture
1:03:53isn't working for you here for whatever
1:03:55reason that might be it's not really
1:03:57worth getting as - yeah the details
1:03:59don't matter but picture in pictures is
1:04:01either the view isn't large enough for
1:04:02the app that use and does support it
1:04:04whatever I can see for that where it's
1:04:06frustrating right but because you're
1:04:09watching a video I think for basically
1:04:11any other work flow issue you can just
1:04:14deal with switching into a different app
1:04:15for a moment right like if you need four
1:04:17apps well just using three of them
1:04:20because you can use three if you slide
1:04:21over and then you just come on tap out
1:04:23to the other app enter what we need to
1:04:25go in there
1:04:25go back the specific use case that
1:04:27you're posing is tricky because you want
1:04:29to be watching the video at all times
1:04:32but you know just I would just say like
1:04:34it's frustrating but pulls the video
1:04:35right like that that's that's the
1:04:37workflow you will end up getting
1:04:38yourself into erican just like well I'll
1:04:40pause for a moment and do what I need to
1:04:41do and go back I get that there have
1:04:46been some workflows I have had to change
1:04:48as well but I take this small
1:04:52frustration because the system as a
1:04:55whole
1:04:56is vastly superior to what has come
1:04:59before it and I really think that a lot
1:05:01of people are getting more frustrated
1:05:03about this just because of how close it
1:05:05is to the Mac now which I actually think
1:05:08is a testament to how good i OS 11 is
1:05:11that people are getting more frustrated
1:05:14about how it's different in the Mac
1:05:15because it is so good and it's so
1:05:18powerful it's almost like an uncanny
1:05:21valley thing where people are less
1:05:23comparing it to what iOS 10 was and
1:05:26comparing it to what they think it
1:05:28should be because of how the Mac works
1:05:30so yeah like I I will agree with that
1:05:33100% because there was no doubt in my
1:05:36mind that it's a bit of a frustration
1:05:37for me because like I don't know about
1:05:41you but on the Mac I am a very heavy
1:05:43spaces user I really like the ability to
1:05:46use lots of spaces I think most heavy
1:05:48iOS users use the Mac that way hmm maybe
1:05:52and so yes it does invite that
1:05:55comparison of on the Mac it's much
1:05:58easier to be fussy about my spaces and
1:06:00which apps go in what spaces and then it
1:06:03feels like I'm switching between a whole
1:06:05bunch of different virtual desktops that
1:06:09have been left just the way I want them
1:06:10to be and so like I will I will
1:06:12completely agree with you on that that
1:06:14that is it is impressive in a way that
1:06:17the comparison is now oh why can't I why
1:06:19can't I do this as lightning fast as I
1:06:21can do it on a full desktop computer you
1:06:23and I have always acknowledged that
1:06:25there are there are many things on the
1:06:26iPad that we have always known it is it
1:06:28is slower to do but it doesn't change
1:06:30the fact that we like working on an iPad
1:06:33way better like and that has always been
1:06:35a that has always been a trade-off that
1:06:37where where
1:06:38to make yeah like I know that dragging
1:06:40from the dock is slower than however any
1:06:43other system would use it even the
1:06:45previous system I don't care cuz I enjoy
1:06:47it more
1:06:48I like the multitasking because of
1:06:50multitasking with my hands like I like
1:06:52it I like the feeling of it but III
1:06:55understand I understand the concerns but
1:06:58like I think this is the best we could
1:06:59have got because any more than this
1:07:01would have been way too complicated I
1:07:04could jump bigger than the jump that
1:07:06Apple have made here would have been too
1:07:08much especially when at this stage that
1:07:11we're at right now and we'll still be
1:07:14out for a few weeks as Apple updates
1:07:15come out
1:07:16we haven't even realized the full
1:07:17potential of what this system is because
1:07:20we don't really have the opportunity to
1:07:22use drag and drop very heavily because
1:07:24the app support isn't there yet because
1:07:26they're not out yet so I think that like
1:07:30there are still things that we've yet to
1:07:32fully appreciate for what this system is
1:07:35doing so I think any more than what
1:07:39Apple is added in 11 would have been way
1:07:42too complicated like the idea of having
1:07:44persistent pairs and having apps that
1:07:47can be open with other pairs in multiple
1:07:50instances inside of the multitasking
1:07:52pane I think that kind of thing might
1:07:54come in the future but if they would
1:07:56have put that in now it would have been
1:07:58like a nightmare scenario to try and
1:08:00understand what was going on I will I
1:08:02will completely agree with that my
1:08:04frustration is is simply the the thing
1:08:06that I was trying to remedy with the
1:08:08keyboard shortcut is like I'm very used
1:08:11to just switching stuff fast with the
1:08:13keyboard yeah and my main frustration is
1:08:15is like I will happily learn complicated
1:08:18keyboard commands if it if it lets me
1:08:20move between a bunch of but it's like
1:08:21there's just no way to do that under the
1:08:24currents it's like it's like come on
1:08:25shift alt tab could change to left app I
1:08:30think I had some great suggestions for
1:08:31app shortcuts but whatever is is I think
1:08:36that that's one of the things that also
1:08:37just it feels like it slows it slows it
1:08:40down but again I keep thinking of the
1:08:43eye like I mentioned last time like for
1:08:45for my aunt who uses an iPad pro was her
1:08:48main computer this is a hell of an
1:08:51upgrade
1:08:51and she is not a very technical user but
1:08:55I think the system is brilliantly
1:08:56designed because I know it will take her
1:08:59no time at all to figure out what to do
1:09:00do you just move it with your hands like
1:09:02it's a physical object or ignore it
1:09:04completely right you can ignore it
1:09:06completely if you don't notice it and
1:09:08it's fine yeah or yeah it doesn't even
1:09:10matter
1:09:10that's why I like its it is a great
1:09:13solution to a very difficult thing I
1:09:15just I just wish for pro users there was
1:09:18like a faster way to do more precise
1:09:20stuff you got some beautiful wallpapers
1:09:22on your iOS devices here Mike thank you
1:09:26two of them are recreations of in 5k of
1:09:31old Apple Mac desktops which I'll put a
1:09:34link in the show notes
1:09:36stephen hackett and amazing designer
1:09:38frank put those together together the
1:09:41one on my iphone is actually a real afm
1:09:45members exclusive wallpaper so if you're
1:09:47really if a member you get loads of cool
1:09:50wallpapers we're just doing another plug
1:09:51here everybody and you yeah you get
1:09:54lovely wallpapers and that's one for
1:09:56remaster which is the video game show
1:09:58than i do you have that same black one
1:10:01on your phone that you've had forever
1:10:03that the fractal one although it's it's
1:10:05better than whatever that out of time
1:10:07homescreen was that weird
1:10:10dusty thing and i'm assuming i assumed
1:10:17that the other two are both apples ones
1:10:19right i think that that that's beech one
1:10:22is - i know the beach ones not apples
1:10:26one the the pink splash is an apple one
1:10:29I feel like in in in beta season I'm
1:10:33more daring with wood wallpapers I'm
1:10:35like use on now yeah so this is this is
1:10:40great gone wild with his wallpaper
1:10:42backgrounds I think after betas season
1:10:45is over what we want we might calm down
1:10:47a little bit and go to something
1:10:48something more more button-down and
1:10:51businesslike but where is the beach one
1:10:54from I don't know actually where that
1:10:56that Beach one is is from I can't
1:10:59remember where I got that original tub
1:11:00nobody wants it because if you don't
1:11:03know where is from I can't give people
1:11:04the links
1:11:05this is why we're mentioning the
1:11:06wallpapers because people always want
1:11:08them this is what reverse image searches
1:11:10for yep that's how people found the
1:11:13original one that you couldn't find oh
1:11:15actually I should I should make a plug
1:11:20yes I don't think I've mentioned I don't
1:11:22think I've mentioned it on the show
1:11:23before but the iPhone wallpaper it's
1:11:27done by this designer who's made a whole
1:11:29series of black wallpapers and they are
1:11:32fantastic and great looking and so it's
1:11:37it's similar to the old one that I used
1:11:38to have it's just less it's less
1:11:40contrasting it's more subtle and I will
1:11:44I'll put this link in the show notes for
1:11:46the designer of that has a whole series
1:11:49of similarly great black wallpapers that
1:11:52people should go check out
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1:13:32Mike I'm exhausted oh I'm sorry I really
1:13:38am because I feel like when we talk
1:13:40about this I have to mentally go through
1:13:42all of my thoughts for the past many
1:13:44weeks about decisions we've barely
1:13:48touched that touch this in in the depth
1:13:50that I feel is adequate but I cannot go
1:13:53on any further we've had we had topics
1:13:56planned for the show which have all been
1:13:58destroyed by home screen discussion
1:14:01which always eats everything everything
1:14:04and so what I really want to know about
1:14:08right now as we're ending the show is
1:14:12tell me more about your laundry I have a
1:14:16lot to say believe it or not about my
1:14:18laundry because I'm back home now and it
1:14:20was halfway through my trip so I needed
1:14:23to do more laundry before I got home the
1:14:26continuing adventure of Mike's laundry
1:14:28yeah I did laundry two more times
1:14:30in fact okay so when we last checked in
1:14:35with your laundry you you had asked for
1:14:39advice for people about what you were
1:14:41gonna do yeah so what happened what
1:14:44happened in America with with your
1:14:45laundry
1:14:46so remember last time I had done
1:14:50expensive hotel laundry and I had done
1:14:52one load of laundry at my co-founders
1:14:54house using a machine I didn't
1:14:56understand and that me and you were
1:14:59talking about the idea and how great it
1:15:01will be to use one of those apps you
1:15:03know like the laundry app so they come
1:15:04pick up the laundry for you I have some
1:15:07bad news gray all of the apps that I
1:15:10tried required a u.s. telephone number
1:15:12for sign up okay
1:15:15and I couldn't trick them what do you
1:15:17mean by trick them like entering a
1:15:19random number or entering a number that
1:15:21was my number but in some weird US
1:15:23format because they all want to send you
1:15:26a text message to confirm the phone
1:15:27number to confirm sign up
1:15:29yeah this is this is what Skype phone
1:15:31numbers are for no I didn't think of
1:15:35that did you know you know what's really
1:15:37annoying is I actually set up a Skype
1:15:39telephone them but two days ago because
1:15:41I needed it for a conference call and I
1:15:44didn't put two and two together can
1:15:47Skype numbers receive text messages I am
1:15:50fairly sure they can okay and if they
1:15:54can't I know a lot of these services do
1:15:56a fallback where they call and give you
1:15:58the pin mm-hmm yeah look at that I know
1:16:01I know for a fact I have verified stuff
1:16:04that demands a u.s. phone number with my
1:16:07skype u.s. phone number like I know I
1:16:09have done this okay you're making me
1:16:11slightly doubt myself about the text
1:16:13message but I know I have used it to
1:16:15verify these fucking is the Col fallback
1:16:17so this is this is a CGP grey brand life
1:16:20hack for everybody out there on this ice
1:16:23is good because this they're not cheap
1:16:25those Skype numbers but I do have one
1:16:27now because every now and then someone
1:16:29needs to call me I need to talk to
1:16:31someone on the phone and it's just like
1:16:33oh can we use Skype and it's like it's
1:16:35just like a whole big deal but now I
1:16:37have a phone number that people can call
1:16:38and we've I think it was about iOS 10 it
1:16:41if I'm signed in on skype it just rings
1:16:43as if it's so yeah that's good I have
1:16:46that set up now I didn't think of that
1:16:47at the time so there there you go you
1:16:49even need that well you can't do it so
1:16:52when I was in Brooklyn which by the way
1:16:54I love Brooklyn obviously loves Brooklyn
1:16:58wow what a surprise surprise surprise
1:17:01dear I you would like Portland to Mike I
1:17:04like Portland I like Brooklyn I also
1:17:06stayed in East like the Lower East Side
1:17:08like the East Village love that too
1:17:09obviously yeah well good all good stuff
1:17:12for Mike lots of my key things in those
1:17:15places and I took my clothes to a
1:17:18laundromat cert like a laundromat that
1:17:20had a wash and fold service I I wasn't a
1:17:23hundred percent sure what that meant but
1:17:25I assumed what it meant was they would
1:17:27wash and fold my clothes that's what it
1:17:29sounds like it's what it sounds like
1:17:30right saw was like I figured that this
1:17:32is what I'm looking for right but I'd
1:17:34never used one of these services before
1:17:36so I just took my I basically took my
1:17:39clothes in a bag into this place making
1:17:42an assumption
1:17:43what would occur and I put it down and
1:17:45said could you can you take care of
1:17:47these and they said yes and they gave me
1:17:48a piece of paper and that was it I was
1:17:51like all right well we'll see what
1:17:52happens that cost me $9 that that load
1:17:56of clothes and it was great and I was
1:17:58very happy and it came back basically
1:18:00exactly the same as the hotel stuff just
1:18:02not with a blue ribbon so you don't feel
1:18:06the need to bleep that number my $9 no
1:18:08I'm fine with $9 - can I let that go
1:18:11through uh-huh there was an unexpected
1:18:13side effect of the last episode for me
1:18:16yeah something I didn't anticipate was
1:18:18the amount of direct messages I was
1:18:21gonna get from friends asking me just
1:18:23one simple question can you guess what
1:18:26that question was how much did you pay
1:18:28for your laundry yes pretty much
1:18:31everybody that I know everybody wanted
1:18:33to know everyone wanted to know and as I
1:18:38assumed would happen all the listeners
1:18:42wanted to know - yeah that's what you
1:18:45get for bleeping yep I mean I knew it
1:18:46would happen I was fine with it but then
1:18:49something really interesting happened in
1:18:50the reddit thread someone with the
1:18:52username funk you put together a Google
1:18:58Form to employ the wisdom of the crowd
1:19:00which I found out was like this is this
1:19:04method of trying to guess something by
1:19:07using multiple people's guesses and you
1:19:09take the averages of the guesses and it
1:19:11gives you something which is expected to
1:19:13be correct now this person put together
1:19:18this survey they weeded out some of the
1:19:20more wild answers which was probably the
1:19:25right thing to do and came up with an
1:19:27answer of one hundred and fifty three
1:19:30dollars and 21 cents over one hundred
1:19:33and eighty three responses mm-hmm they
1:19:36then closed it down after that point
1:19:38just because they felt that they had a
1:19:40good sense of the answer from that point
1:19:43now because this number was so close to
1:19:47the actual number I felt that it was
1:19:51only fair for me to confirm it
1:19:56so the actual number that I paid for my
1:19:58laundry dear listeners was 116 dollars
1:20:02as pretty good for a wisdom of the crowd
1:20:06estimation and I didn't want to share
1:20:08the number at the time or cold because I
1:20:10still believe if I would have said 116
1:20:12dollars I would have been inundated by
1:20:14people saying how ridiculous that is
1:20:16this bond on laundry it is ridiculous it
1:20:19is ridiculous but also all of my friends
1:20:21that asked me how much did you spend I
1:20:23said to them my first answer for
1:20:26everyone was how much did you think and
1:20:28everyone went higher so I still believe
1:20:31that by not giving that number everyone
1:20:33thought it was worse then it actually
1:20:35ended up being because I still think a
1:20:37hundred and sixteen dollars is an
1:20:38embarrassing amount to spend on the
1:20:39lottery especially when I got the same
1:20:41amount down for nine dollars but I feel
1:20:43better about my 116 dollars on the M
1:20:46because most people thought it was a
1:20:48thousand which was wild to me people
1:20:50kept thinking I spent a thousand dollars
1:20:52I would say keep the clothes right like
1:20:55you can have them I don't want anymore
1:20:58take them a thousand dollars no that's
1:21:01that's ludicrous I'm I spend 116 was the
1:21:05amount so you feel like you've done
1:21:06successful expectation management here I
1:21:09do actually
1:21:10I feel like III I feel like I manage
1:21:14this best for my own personal well-being
1:21:19116 dollars was the amount
1:21:21congratulations to everybody for getting
1:21:23so close with 153 so I assumed that
1:21:27there was just a lot of people that have
1:21:28probably been through this themselves I
1:21:30also did hear from a lot of people that
1:21:32have been through this themselves who
1:21:33had a guess of the amount because they
1:21:35know how much this stuff costs so I
1:21:38think this can close out the laundry now
1:21:40because I'm back at home and I'm doing
1:21:42my laundry at home of a machine that I
1:21:44understand and it's effectively free
1:21:47because I our water is paid for by our
1:21:50building so I don't need to pay the
1:21:53water bill I guess it's just the
1:21:56electric that powell's the Washington
1:21:58anyway I expect it's less than nine
1:22:01dollars a property what do you want
1:22:02you're walking you're walking us into a
1:22:04kilowatt-hour cost conversion
1:22:07calculation
1:22:08that we're all good I'm cool with what
1:22:11it's costing me at home um but there we
1:22:14go so that's the laundry I'm glad you're
1:22:16back to your front loaded washer it's
1:22:19just so much more easy to understand
1:22:21I used a novel one of those top loading
1:22:24washers with some with some more friends
1:22:26because we went for a vacation with
1:22:28friends and I still don't understand it
1:22:31I just don't get it it doesn't make
1:22:33sense to me
1:22:33it's like this big wheel and it has like
1:22:35a million options on it I just I don't I
1:22:39think we're just gonna have to put this
1:22:40aside as cultural differences much it is
1:22:42100 percent I'm not saying it's wrong
1:22:44I'm just saying I don't understand it
1:22:46you know in the same way that I would
1:22:48imagine people that are used to the
1:22:49top-loading machines have to take some
1:22:51time to understand the front loading
1:22:53machines cuz they're different they're
1:22:54not that different I want it just before
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1:24:02want to specifically say a real thanks
1:24:05to you Mike and to Jason Snell for all
1:24:09of the work that YouTube put into that
1:24:11episode I feel like this is a thing
1:24:14where I get to just show up and like I
1:24:21I have a lot of fun doing those episodes
1:24:23but I I just I always feel the need to
1:24:26reinforce eyes like I like I am so aware
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1:24:33because Jason does just such a fantastic
1:24:36job of being the computer being the
1:24:39parser like that is that is a a much
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1:24:44to the listener like the things that he
1:24:46has to keep track of and all of the work
1:24:48he has to do live while we are recording
1:24:50so I really appreciate that and to you
1:24:54Mike for the I'm going to say insane
1:24:59amount of editing you do to these these
1:25:03member shows all of the special effects
1:25:06that you add all of the atmospheric
1:25:09sound effects which which people might
1:25:11not even notice when they're listening
1:25:12but really add to the feel of the show
1:25:15it's it's so I am very grateful to the
1:25:19tremendous amount of work that the two
1:25:21of you are putting into these shows and
1:25:24and I think it would it's what makes
1:25:26them fun to do and I have to say it
1:25:29makes them really great to listen to
1:25:31like I have listened to both of our
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1:25:36out of enjoyment like it's like oh is
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1:25:40I'm just listening because I like it
1:25:41like they're yeah they're they're great
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1:25:45man-hours that have gone into them so
1:25:48thank you for all the work that you do
1:25:49on that it's a pleasure genuinely is a
1:25:51pleasure because I I really really loved
1:25:54[Laughter]