Roderick on the Line

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00:00:21 ◼   ► Ferro hi John [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► hi Merlin how's it going everything's [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► it's so great everything's fine [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► remain calm all as well I got my bacon [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► number today oh you're making them no [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► this is boring stuff but I've struggled [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► I struggle with my computer machine Oh [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► your computer yeah you know I have a [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► computer here yeah is that right yeah [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► but I I felt like I needed another one [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► oh now I'm he's got my attention and so [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► I was like I've got the laptop which [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► already has more computing power than [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► all the computers that sent us to the [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► moon and I'll never use it I'll never [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► use any of that competing power I've [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► always felt with the computers that I [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► look at it it's you know it's this world [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► of potential that I'll never exploit I'm [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► just I'm just using word star but I got [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► this laptop and I didn't want it just [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► felt like it was a it was the special [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► box that I had the special things in but [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► I mean it like a big box that I put [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► other stuff in whoa and I wanted it to [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► be you know like that one that I used to [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► have that everybody laughed at me from [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► 2005 it was a big box it had stuff in it [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► so I was over at my friend Jason Finn [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► the drummer of the presidents the United [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► States of America's house and he had [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► this uh this Apple sitting there and I [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► said what are you doing with that he's [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► like oh you know cleaning up getting it [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► out of here he said I've got a laptop so [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► I don't need that anymore and I was like [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► hmm he said oh okay for a steak dinner [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► interesting so just sitting there doing [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► nothing for him it's just sitting there [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► doing nothing and he said it'll probably [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► take one more upgrade like it'll [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► probably it's not brand new [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► right but it's still useful for the for [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► the big box that I need that I feel like [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► it need tabletop box so he said doesn't [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► have a keyboard or anything you're gonna [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► have to do that yourself [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► and you know you taught me to buy those [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► solar-powered keyboards so I went I went [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► on to the online and I got one of those [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► sent to me and I went downtown to the [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► fancy coz Jason's like I don't know it's [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► got to be a good steak dinner went down [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► to the fancy steak house at lunch I walk [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► in he's sitting there with this computer [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► on the table like like some real suave [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► guys doing slick handoff but in the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► interim I remembered that I had found a [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► little bag that I had been meaning to [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► give to Jason which was a special bag [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► and I know how you feel about special [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► bags you know how I feel about special [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► Jason Jason feels this way too this was [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► a bag many many many years ago KEXP our [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► local alternative radio station gave [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► away a messenger bag as a bonus if you [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► donated some big amount of money okay [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► you got this messenger bag and we all [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► got them all the rock musicians at the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► time got these bags they were bright [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► orange they said KEXP on them some [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► people really and you know it was big [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► enough to put a put a stack of 12-inch [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► records in it this is like a Timbuktu [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► bag nope no it was just it's actually I [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► mean in my personal opinion kind of look [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► it has zero features it's just like a [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► it's just a bag made out of you know bag [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► made out bag that's KEXP honors bright [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► orange a lot of people took these bags [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► as their kind of signature at the time [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► Nabeel our drummer had one I had a [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► couple of them you know it's the bag you [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► throw some stuff in but it never didn't [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► it didn't mean that much emotionally to [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► me so I was going through I was going [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► through bags the other about a month ago [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► and I opened up a bag BIGBANG it was [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► full of bags like dougie and I was like [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► oh look at this look at that I pulled [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► out a pulled out a bag out of there [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► opened it up it had bags and and inside [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► that bag was one of these orange KEXP [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► bags that I hadn't seen in a long time [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► it was in perfect condition [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► Jason was one of these people that had [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► that KEXP bag and he took it everywhere [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► he wore his into the ground he wore out [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► he wore out this bag sounds keep really [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► bonded with the bag he the bag meant so [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► much to him and after he'd blown out [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► this bag he actually you know he made a [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► kind of stink about it around town like [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► he went to KEXP he said why don't you [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► guys make this bag again and they were [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► like that's from ten years ago and he [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► said I know but it's the best like could [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► you make this bag just like make just a [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► landfill at a special level nobody would [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► accommodate him and I knew he was [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► brokenhearted that he they couldn't [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► replace this bag so I'm down there and [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► I'm like surprised I brought you the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► like unobtainium bag hmm [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► oh he gets all teary-eyed he hugs it to [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► himself like you know like a like his [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► childhood teddy bear but now we're in [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► this uncomfortable position where I've [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► given him something worth a lot more to [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► him than this dump computer he's giving [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► me and yet I'm still on the hook for [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► buying him mistake and this is a topic [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► that has not been broached overtly no he [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► still thinks there's mistake coming well [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► cuz I'm mr. surprise person right um mr. [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► surprise person you brought me a cello I [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► brought you a cello yeah I like [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► surprised I didn't ask for it [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► I'd like to say surprise hey I I was [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► thinking of you I got you this thing I [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► found this thing is what often happens I [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► found this thing I thought of you [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► surprised and Jason Jason you know like [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► I say like you tear in his eye but he's [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► also a stickler for the deal [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► a stickler for the deal we come adjacent [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► fin by just letting it slide he's heat [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► like you he is dealt with the guy in the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► back room smoke on cigar and peeling off [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► the hundred dollar bills yes he knows [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► where he speaks he knows this whole like [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► oh you're negotiating the record [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► contract well we're giving you a 100 [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► percent control over the artwork in [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► exchange for ninety four percent of the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► creative output Jason loves a lot of [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► people's favorite part really listen we [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► negotiated hard for this one hundred [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► percent control over the artwork and the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► labels like fine kid Jason knows [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► so Jason sits down with his brand-new [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► bag [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► it's tear-stained bag tucks his napkin [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► into his shirt orders a $65 steak oh [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► that's a nice steak what was a nice [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► steak I have to say so good steak there [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► it's a good steak place not to be undone [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► of course I ordered it [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► $72 take myself you not meet a stone so [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► you know long story short I end up [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► footing the bill for for not a no small [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► amount of lunch I got this computer the [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► bag is gone the bag was not that was no [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► undue burden on me right I that's not [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► like I tearfully parted with the bag I [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► found that bag in a bag in a bag yeah [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that's the complexity is you both were [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► in some way proffer of current super [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► value to yourself he was not using his [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► desktop computer machine and you were [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► right using the bag in a bag in a bag [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► right okay but now that we can all agree [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► on steak we can all agree that steak is [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► a is a medium of exchange but so anyway [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► now I have this computer this big [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► computer and now it is sitting here on [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► the table but I haven't plugged it in [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► yet so I'm doing this show on my laptop [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► all good okay but it's here I'm looking [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► at it it looks like it looks like an [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► apple doesn't have a Big Apple on the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► front does and one on the back [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► back it's me it's big it's got its [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► silver it's um it's on a kind of stand [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► that looks like a paperclip [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► sulle you might have what's called an [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► iMac an iMac mm-hmm I think I do if I [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► had my druthers it's what I would be [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► recording on right now is that right yes [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► and circumstances I would be speaking to [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► you on my iMac what are you speaking to [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► me on right now a MacBook which is in [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► the parlance today in my circles [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► sometimes called the MacBook adorable [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► it's very very small and cute and mostly [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► useless unless your iMac is not working [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► and then you plug it in with mini mini [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► dongles and you talk to your friend on [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► the internet for a little while so he's [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► got your running dongles right now oh [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► I'm a dongle country this is one of [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► those part of that current spate of [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► Apple products that are really great as [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► long as you don't use them for anything [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► flawlessly in conditions where that you [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► don't try to do anything useful with [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► them huh yeah no in the iMac I don't [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know how old your iMac is but like do [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► you have a rough idea like what are we [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► talk about orders of magnitude how old's [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► that thing well old enough that he [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► bought it and then used it long enough [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► that it was sitting on the table at his [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► house and he was like I gotta get rid of [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► this thing so three to five or more [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► years yeah yeah let's put it at let's [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► split the difference at four four and a [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► half years okay it's not really [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► splitting the difference but I that's my [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► guess let's just not begging the [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► question that one drives me crazy right [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► people say begging the question when [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► they really mean raising the question [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► yeah no that's not begging the question [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► mm-hmm what is your opinion about this [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► that's four years [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► what say it's four years old well I can [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► in the fullness of time I will give you [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► an idea what kind of deal you got on it [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► but the truth is that that is a computer [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that unless it has some kind of problem [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► I mean it's sort of like you know Kramer [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► trading his radar detector to Newman for [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► the crash helmet and neither one of them [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► works right it becomes kind of sad Gift [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► of the Magi if that thing works you [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► might have something kind of good on [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► your hands that you can put on your mp3s [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► on isn't that kind of part of the deal [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► you want all your stuff on a thing I [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► want stuff on a thing but also [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► yeah like I I have a little bit of I [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► mean I don't have anywhere near the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► computer attachment anxiety that [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► probably I'm guessing 99.9% of the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► people listening to this program suffer [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► from they have a lot of feelings and so [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► like if my laptop got left somewhere or [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► if it got wiped or if it got stolen or [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► if it was you know or if god forbid [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► sat in the crackheads trunk for a year a [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► satyr crackheads drunk for a year or or [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► if he were to be shot by a policeman or [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► if he were to someone other unfortunate [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you're seeing like a Theodore Roosevelt [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► type situation like you're up there [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► giving a speech and a gunman takes a [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► crack at you mm-hmm stops the bullet he [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► takes the blow you continue speaking cuz [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► you're all fuckin Theodore Roosevelt [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► that kind of saturation that's right I'm [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► shot by a bullet but i but i apprehend [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► the culprit first of all and then [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► continue with my speech never pausing [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► never pausing okay all right so that's [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► not I don't have that problem what I [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► just have is the problem of a [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► proliferation of boxes yeah but also [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► justice you want to make sure this is [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► just if you turn this thing on and it [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► has a bomb on it or something you know [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► like a sad sad face or something if it [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► doesn't work the hard drives busted or [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► something you know Oh we'll go Jason and [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► I will go back to the start oh yeah I'm [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► sure I mean I I don't want to get a get [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► head in front of our skis on this one [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► but you know Jason's an art dealer and [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► he has a drummer right so these are [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► things we need to keep in mind I don't I [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► don't want to cast aspersions we're [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► living in a more woke and learning time [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and I don't want to just say things [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► about drummers even though we know it's [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► mostly true it's a cultural thing it's [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► it's it's not see I think it's a [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► difference in culture when you're [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► dealing with the drummer you're [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► absolutely right here absolutely not [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► that they're less intelligent or trust [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► the bull don't you think a lot of it is [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► how a drummer is raised you know it I [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► appreciate that you're trying to show [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► cultural sensitivity well I want to [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► become want to be culturally sensitive [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► I have never I've never walked in and [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► Romer shoes that's right and I imagine [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► they imagine they suffer a lot they're [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► the the brunt of a lot of jokes that are [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► very funny because they're true and [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► you're usually the least useful person [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► in the band including the bass player [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► I'm taken taken together mm-hmm [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► have you ever have to move your drummers [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► drums because they just weren't into it [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► they were talking to somebody doing a [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► lot of heavy lifting in my experience [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► the drummer's in like like a restroom [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► stall and can't figure out how to get [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► out there talking up a bird and you're [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► the one you're the one carrying the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► floor toms if you know what I'm saying [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► you remember one I had a guy that didn't [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► have that didn't have cases for his [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► drums or cymbals because he didn't [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► believe in them he would carry each is [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► that part of the century John is that [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► sialic it's symbolic no no no okay no no [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► I think other drummers also that was [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► anomalous but but you're you're right [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► there's I mean this is the problem with [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► stereotypes there's a stereotype for a [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► reason huh and talk about that anymore [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► no you can't really it's impossible to [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► say everything that we used to be able [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► to say about drummers yes because it was [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► understood in the culture that we were [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► that we were not only just kidding [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► mm-hmm [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► but also that we were serious that we [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► were serious and it was true yeah I mean [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► it's a kind of kidding that's that's [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► very very serious and a lot of people [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► don't have to live with a drummer they [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► don't have to you know deal with a [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► drummer in a business standpoint or with [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► trying to keep a beat or any of those [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► kinds of things and also they wanted to [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► do they got their crash cymbal that's [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► made out of a you know out of a crosscut [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► saw and that's like a funny thing to [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► them they strap it on to a stand and [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► pretty soon you're carrying that out to [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► the van well there's their bathroom [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► there are drummers and then there are [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► drummer you know you talk about [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► percussionists well I'm talking about [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► you know like the difference between a [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► drummer like I know a drummer I know a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► lot of drummers sure I'm friends with [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► drummer yeah well but then there are you [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► know then there are drummers that are [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like right everybody knows what we're [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► talking about here [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► at some point here's the thing let's not [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► get ahead of ourselves you need to get [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► this thing rolling make sure it even [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► just even starts up right that's at [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► first tasks I'm looking at it here in [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► the in the side light and there's a [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► shuts on it and I specifically said to [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► him when he handed it over to me I was [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► like this thing's not covered with [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► schmutz is it it was like no no no no no [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► no I'm not which immediately like yes it [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► was but he's also very he's fastidious [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► enough that I think he sprayed it down [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► with a cleaner that's nice but there's a [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► there's like something on the screen [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► that won't rub off it's like a like a [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► damage like something it's not cracked [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► but it's like it's got some kind of a [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► physical artifact of some kind of damage [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► yeah it's got like a like it looks like [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► you know cuz it's a it's like it's made [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► out of the same stuff as my electric [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► stove your core Cory and stovetop stuff [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► yeah and it looks like somebody put a [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► pot down on it I would not say this I [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► wouldn't put that past the drummer if a [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► drummer made some beans and need a place [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► to put them I could see him putting his [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► his iMac off-axis and using as a kind of [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► a trivet how do we know that he didn't [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► computer machine [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► he was website and and he was like doing [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► about a paddle oh he probably does that [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► adds value because that's what they do [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that on the dashboard of their car you [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► know you'll see that a lot yeah you'll [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► see that in traffic oh my I think that [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► this actually has a like well wait a [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► minute now I'm rub it I'm rubbing it [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► here no won't rub off careful you don't [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► get too many oils on there you should [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► get up you should get a product I like a [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► lot called woosh you can order this from [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► your retailer they're in town and whoosh [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► you get this nice bottle this is not an [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► endorsement but you get a retweets or [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► not endorsements but you get this bottle [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► of stuff called woosh and it comes with [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► what they call a microfiber cloth and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► you go since it's you put a little bit [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► of wish on the microfiber cloth and then [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► you gently gently rub it off and that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► will sometimes restore it to its [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► showroom shine [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► you did with your phone I did that with [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► all the devices the other day is this a [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► thing that I can just use this the [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► spritz and the microfiber cloth that I [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► get with the new pair of glasses [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► possibly there are products that are [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► made for electronic devices and I've [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► learned from friends of mine who have [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► been Jean I at the Apple store that you [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► want to not spritz directly onto the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► surface of the screen you want to spritz [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► under the microfiber cloth not too much [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► not too little then you rub it off you [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► won't be real channel real so these [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► friends of yours or friends of ours Oh [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► mostly friends of mine I don't think you [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► know that minnijean I do you have you [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► ever met a Jean I do you know people who [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► were geniuses in the growth well I have [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► a friend who is a Corson he was a genius [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► right he was Eric was a genius not ever [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► at the MAC store and not ever at the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► Apple store but at the MAC store hmm do [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► you remember before there were Apple [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► store oh yeah there were of course you [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► do they were authorized Mac stores they [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► would have a big neon Apple in the [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► window with colors and whatnot him yeah [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► but they also sold other things like [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► RadioShack yes they were independently [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► owned and operated they were like they [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► might have been likes I think you could [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► get like certified but they were doing [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► their own thing they still exist and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► they're real weird [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► they were always weird it always felt [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► like there was a guy with a gray [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► ponytail mm-hmm who would like had an [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► apple 2e yeah there were a lot of there [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► were people like Eric Corson back in the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► back doing Mac Mac attacks attacks yeah [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► back him back in the back of Mac tech [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► for Bobby the guy he's probably could be [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► a Gulf War vet but Bobby's the guy with [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► the ponytail and he's writing stuff yeah [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► and it was a great job for Eric because [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► he would say okay guys I'm going on tour [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► and they would take his like milk carton [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► that he sat on has also have detained [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► all of his stuff and they tuck it under [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the under the workbench and the rest of [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► the guys would you know they were all [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► like back there were backpacking Mac [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► attack Mac attackers him and then he'd [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► come back to work a month later two [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► months later and they [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► milk carton upside-down and all his [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► tools will be in there and he'd sit down [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► and get back to work making Santa's toys [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► feel like any of them had anything [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► valuable this episode of Roderick on the [TS]

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00:21:07 ◼   ► listen you spend one third of your life [TS]

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00:21:18 ◼   ► love it our cat still sleeps on a filthy [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► cushion near a heating vent because [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► frankly she's an unlovable Dickensian [TS]

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00:21:58 ◼   ► Casper for supporting Roderick on the [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► line and all the great shows I would not [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► leave quarters or weed in the milk [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► carnival no I do that all the time I'm [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► like let's see I've got all these little [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► bits I am and I throw me the milk [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► cartons I'm taking people's quarters [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► yeah but so but yeah so the MAC store [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► god I remember the first Mac store I [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► went to it it felt like a ha felt like a [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► hobby place exactly there was was a big [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► one in town here on 6th on 6th Street I [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► believe called Mac Adam and that was [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► like it was it was the Valhalla of nerdy [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► hobbyist Apple store so they would have [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► software they would have hardware they [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► had many many kinds of devices if you [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► want to get a scuzzy 25 or scuzzy 50 you [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► go there you want to get an Ethernet [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► adapter that's where you go yeah but it [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► always felt kind of they felt kind of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► shambling especially now compared to [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► what we think of as an Apple store [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► yeah the lighting was very dark and them [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► wasn't it and it was like there was [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► unfinished shingling carpeting often had [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► carpeting carpet carpeting in those in [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► the shells with holes in them like at a [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► hardware store an old hardware store yep [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► I have a friend here that is the [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► assistant manager he's either the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► assistant to the regional manager or [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► these is the assistant regional manager [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► of an apple store at one of the big [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► malls here in the region oh wow [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► and so I will go visit him sometimes and [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► it used to be that it felt like I got a [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► friend in the diamond business and I'd [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► go and he doesn't have to wear the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► t-shirt oh so he's like an enlisted man [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► he's a yeah like an officer he's an [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► officer he gets to wear a shirt with the [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► button-down collar that does not [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► indicate that he's a board member [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► okay and you know sometimes I'll go and [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► he won't be there and then I'll see him [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► walking the mall with with an employee [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► giving him giving the employee an [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► employee review so he's not like he's [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► not a low-level operative but he's [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► definitely at the level where if he [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► speaks to lord Vader he may get choked [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► at a distance yeah pray he doesn't alter [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► it further you're talking about second [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► lieutenant you know secondary well but [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► you know a left tenant like not oh I see [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► he's got like a riding crop in a [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► button-down shirt yeah maybe like a [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► jaunty beret [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► and it used to be that you could kind of [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► waltz in there and say like no to mean [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► nudge nudge [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► is your wife a goer yeah does she go and [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► he would it's not like he ever likes [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► Liddy anything oh but he'd say let me he [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► might crack your case without an [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► appointment [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► yeah he'd say let me facilitate that [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► okay like I like a friend in the diamond [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► business well me too oh that's nice to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► know you know I'll get into a whole line [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► of business that I don't even care about [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► if I have a friend in it [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► well it certainly opens the door I mean [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► I'm like I collect diamonds when did you [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► start doing that oh I had a friend in [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► the diamond but tell me more don't care [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► about diamonds I just ice got into it [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► cuz it's nice to have a pal but the last [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► couple of times he's like yeah there's [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► been a big crackdown from HQ and we [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► don't do anything nice for anybody [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► anymore it's not a very fun place to [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► work right now but you're welcome to [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► come down watch me in please [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► yeah you always come down and be in the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► store and get treated like a regular [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► person I mean he can still get me a [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► genius he can get me a genius to look at [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► my problem like without waiting for a [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► year that's it I think that part of it [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► like what's happening in the store I [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► don't want to go off on a rant here but [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► it is very ad hoc we're like I [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► fortunately not had that many occasions [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► where I had to take my computer in to [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► get looked at but I had a pretty good [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► record on what it was but you know might [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► be the logic board whatever but you take [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► it in and it is a Death March you got to [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► make an appointment it might be a week [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► before you get appointment and then you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► go ahead and you still gotta wait it [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► might be an hour you're sitting there no [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► of course it's like a lot of it [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► historically has been somebody with an [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► ancient Mac that might even be out of [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► it's a lot like the coupon situation at [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► Walgreens or people in there and they're [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► like I can't go I don't know what [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► happened the photos on my iPad Mini and [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► like there's a you know and you're gonna [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► walk through all that but nowadays [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► they're having actual problems with [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► their products and it's not a very fun [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► place to work [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► oh they're new keyboards are like bad [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and they're on the on the laptop so yeah [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► yeah this is a little bit inside [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► baseball but just to give you a feel for [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► this I've had friends that get like a [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► crumb or a hair or something in this [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► tiny little keyboard that has no key [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► travel how would you get a crumb or a [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► hair sometimes a person a sport [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► person has to eat what would you do [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► you'd be eating or something or having [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► hair you're reporting from the show [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► floor or something like that you're [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► having a dumpling but then they have to [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► go through these mandated these court [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► mandated tests that they gotta go [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► through and when the tiger gonna run the [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► Diagnostics John you gotta run the [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► Diagnostics come on you know I feel [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► about diagnostic Diagnostics tell you [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► nothing the diagnosis tell you the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► Diagnostics don't found nothing I've got [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► six on my skype for a week now [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► have you turned up you're compiling a [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► lot of pee do that but then apparently [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► turns out one of the things that they [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► need to chew part of that once they've [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► run the I guess the like software [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► diagnostics and hardware diet then the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► Geena genius goes through and has to hit [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► every key on the keyboard and see what [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► it does [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► no wonder it takes a week to get an [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► appointment those guys yeah exactly [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► haven't hasn't somebody I bet you [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► there's there is a rhotic on the line [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► listener who has already invented a [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► machine that hits every key on a [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► keyboard oh you know just for their own [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► amusement they've done it yeah [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► eventually they'll put it on Etsy but [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► for now it's just an articulated finger [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that hits all the keys like I knew a kid [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► up here whose band was him and a bunch [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► of machines he built to play instruments [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► oh so it was regular it's nice to have a [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► friend it's a nice to have little robot [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► friends and I think he had like I think [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► he took chopsticks and put little little [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► like tissue paper on the end of them and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► taught it how to play the piano oh and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► it had machines and the one of them [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► played the bass I think and I don't I [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► saw it a couple of times that it was it [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► was phenomenal [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► I don't know I don't know how hard it [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► would be to tour cuz I think you had to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► thank you to rebuild it every time I [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► mean isn't it fair to say that ever [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► since the 808 drummers have mostly been [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► optional it's mostly for optics that's [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► that's I have a little box that makes so [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► I'm a yeah I know you're a hobbyist [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► that's why I'm so popular little box [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► table music bye [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► you'd be daddy never sleeps at night for [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► the floor baby laughs this little thing [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► made by boss made the by the boss [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► company and and it just makes drum [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► sounds and I'm a terrible there are so [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► many cool drum machines including the [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► 808 I went into a music store don't wait [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► simulator on your freaking phone now [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► yeah but that doesn't make me happy okay [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► I decided those buttons you want to make [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► the patterns do that what I want to do [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► is sit what I want to do is sit on the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► couch as I've done for 25 years and say [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► to someone sitting at a computer or box [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► can you make it go just keep playing [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► until I tell you I'm not angry anymore [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► just keep trying different things I was [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► I did a recording day one time where the [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► drummer came up finally and said I've [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► played this song 40 times I'm not gonna [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► play it again and I said that's what [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► drummers do yeah they play it over and [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► over and over and he said I've played it [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► perfectly 40 times you you need to get [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► your shit together well and I said [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► here's what tremors do they played 41 [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► times yeah you played 42 again I guess [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► how I that's how I my shit together if [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► you had wanted to be in a if you'd [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► wanted to play an instrument that people [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► cared what you thought you would have [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► picked a better one yeah you wouldn't [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► you would have gotten a violin or an [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► oboe or something that people have a lot [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► of respect for but no you're in there to [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► keep playing you're like a mouse in a [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► maze I'll tell you when you found the [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► end of the maze don't you worry you just [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► keep walking I'll tell you when you're [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► done I picked up a chair and I had of [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► course I already had my whip and I put [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► him back in his cage and I said keep [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► fucking playing this you got to know how [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► to kennel a drummer [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► but so I have this box and basically it [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► has an it has two knobs one is tempo and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► the other is you can change what the [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► pattern is and you change the lit move [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► the knob one thing and it goes and then [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you move it again and it's like you move [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► it again it's like so it's really it's [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► just tempo and complexity ten tempo and [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► complexity and then there is a menu if [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► you want to go to [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► scroll Scroll scroll Scroll and you can [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► change time signature so the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► complexities find most drummers you know [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► they'll be able to rip out a little bit [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► of Tom Sawyer until it falls apart but [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► mostly you're gonna go back to 4/4 let's [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► be honest yeah well no see because I [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► like trick I like tricky tricks you talk [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► about drama drummers oh yeah there are [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► some I mean Barrett Martin loves to play [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► in in seven seven sixteen gotcha point [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► Matt Chamberlain like he's a drummer [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► drummer loves to play that guy's playing [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► on a different level he's got Galaxy [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► mind Matt Chamberlain Matt Cameron like [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► Cameron [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► all the great masters tricky dicks [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► anyway so I've got this thing and I just [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► like the way it sounds I run it into an [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► amplifier which is like the that's so [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► the thing itself has Mikey Mike the amp [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► or DDI damn I don't even do that I just [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► sit and I just sit and entertain myself [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► and it really disturbs me that I cannot [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► just I don't even have the technical [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► ability to just make that my sound it is [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► my sound it's the only thing I care [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► about I go into the studio and I'm like [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► well here's my thing that I made and and [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► like a live drummers like oh I can do [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► that and he starts to plan I'm like I [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► kind of just like the sound of my lock I [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► know it's almost like you want a sober [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► reliable grant Hart you and somebody who [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► can come in and like keep it beating you [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► say okay we'll do more or flippity [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► jibbity and then they can do more [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► flippity jibbety but they don't lose the [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► beat but still there's a purity to the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► to the what the what the krautrock hall [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► for on the floor I kind of know you know [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► before you on the floor beat that's [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► that's a fantastic beat well and this is [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► the thing with making music with other [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► people because there are a lot of times [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► when the bass line that I record myself [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► does didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► didn't didn't didn't [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► no chord change that let you know like [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► as I'm writing it I'm talking to the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► bass player who is me and I say I'm like [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► okay listen okay shake Racker okay [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► listen you're not going to do anything [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► in this song except this no no the other [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► instruments are gonna make changes [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► they're going to change chords and stuff [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the bass is only gonna go didn't didn't [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► didn't didn't didn't didn't do until the [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► song is basically a bass drum with an [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► open e yeah right yeah but it needs to [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► happen it's very crucial to the song if [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► it doesn't happen it's not bass well and [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► it's not yeah all right the song doesn't [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► have the thing and the song doesn't have [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► the D it's your the key thing yes and [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► and the amazing skill that some bass [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► players have is to realize that really [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► to play only one note through the entire [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► length of a song and to still like be in [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the pocket and make it groove is even [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► harder then moving stuff around because [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► you have to be like didn't didn't didn't [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► and I start thinking about something [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► else if you start thinking about [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► something else yeah then you're gonna [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► wander you're gonna wander away from the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► tune but if you can really be in that [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► bass really be in that bass moment and [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► just every single one of those dunes [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► matters just as much to you as the one [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► before it I'm the one after Wow [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► basically not get distracted like when [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► the words start you start thinking about [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► like what kind of sandwich are gonna [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► have right and the thing is this is a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► thing that this is why bass players are [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► often perfectly suited to this because [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► there's not a lot of other things [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► they're gonna think about right right [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► right oh we have that much to think [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► about like where where's my milk carton [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► basically it's kind of rhythmic fidget [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► spinner and its key its key key but [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► pretty soon then you're like pretty soon [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► then you're just you're sitting up there [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► with a bunch of instruments that you [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► made your [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► or you're playing everything through a [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► through a boss pedal into a single [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► amplifier and you're you're like LCD [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► Soundsystem guy except you can't afford [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► 25 people onstage with you yeah I don't [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► know people really like that LCD [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► soundsystem guy I like some of their [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► stuff quite a lot drummers music you [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► just did that Merlin thing where where [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► your voice went up an octave person says [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► oh I quite like it [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► oh yeah yeah no I mean like I've played [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► my problem is that like like so many [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► people I came at the base this is no [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► disrespect to the wonderful people who [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► play the bass but I came at the base as [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► a guitar player I'm a very loo Barlow [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► esque bass player where it's like I'm [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► playing a 1 and a 5 and I'm going up and [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► I'm playing a little melody and I'm [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► mostly I'm going boop boop boop boop [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► where I'm trying to be my quiet like I [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► don't I mean to me a bass playing was a [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► hack for me like guitar playing I never [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► like like like you I never bothered to [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► get very good at guitar but I knew my [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► way around I knew what my capabilities [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► were mostly you like and I knew them [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► like if I want to make a silly sounding [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► fake Eddie Van Halen solo I knew how to [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► make that funny but the bass I came at [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► it totally as a hack where it's like [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► okay I understand all these strings are [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► pretty much the same as the lower four [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► strings I can figure that out and then I [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► figured out how to roughly emulate [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► something that wasn't don't wasn't doing [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► a Ramones I wasn't trying to do just [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► what the guitar part was right and then [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► you know as again as a fan of who [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► screwed you I started loving that idea [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► of like counter posing what the bass is [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► doing melodically with the guitar but I [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► still came at it with the way of [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► thinking I think there's a guitar way of [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► thinking and a bass way of thinking and [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► I think they're worried I think they're [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► very different you approach the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► instrument your role and the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► capabilities and the place and the song [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► are very different from comparing [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► between a natural bass player and [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► natural guitar player yes that may sound [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► ridiculously obvious until you listen to [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► some guy who picked up bass over the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► weekend like you like you had to do one [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► time right so no musician would [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► disagree with what you just said but I [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► think most lay people are not aware of [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► how massively different the two [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► instruments are their role is [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► complementary but really a base is [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► closer to drums than it is to a guitar [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► and it's amazing to me that there are [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► lead singers who are bass players [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► because the two things mmm like playing [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► guitar and singing is very natural [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► you're you're throwing the chords down [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► in piles and you're building you know [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you're building the Lego structure of [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► the song and you're singing in the in [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► between your strums kind of you know [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► you're like and here I go strumming and [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► the strumming and singing in an [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► instrument and I'm singing in and but [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► the bass isn't doing that all you know [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► the bass is like I am holding it down [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► here with the kick drum and to sing over [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► that is SuperDuper different [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► and and you know you see it lead singer [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► bass guys sting and Geddy Lee and Paul [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► McCartney Jack blades Jack blades name [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► it was yeah Jack blades was he's the see [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► the basis I think Kelly Keegan Kelly [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► Keegan Kelly Kelly Kelly [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► I think Keegan Keegan Michael Kelly [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► Keegan Michael Kelly I think was that [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► was the drummer you got he got brake [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► blanket on home alone [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► which one took job alone one Joe Joe [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► Pesci Joe Pesci Joe Pesci was in a band [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► he was in a band with but he was in a [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► band with somebody else he was in band [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► with like a Joe Montana at one point I [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► think are you telling me Joe Pesci was [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► at home alone your are your guests [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► letting me know I've never seen home [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► alone what it had it had Jodie Foster [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► Wallace i fostered army was a funny name [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► mr. Wallace is a terrific name it was in [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► Joey D and the starlighter's hmm [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► no no this is back in the day and who [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► was he in with this he was in this with [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► somebody else who's famous and it's like [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► it's like a Joe [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► yeah I'm taking off your topic of base [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah well when I started playing [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► the bass as we've recorded this story [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► before of my like jumping into the base [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► as an epic story but I didn't have to [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► sing lead I only had to sing harmony and [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► that's easier it's easier to just be [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► like ah it's very hard for me to play [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► the bass properly and and sing because I [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► just because it's certainly my own songs [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► I did not write them or around the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► ability to do that [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► and at one point we always were have we [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► always had a hard time figuring out how [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► to play blue diamonds on tour around you [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► switch parts we'd switch around cuz the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► piano part on that song is not difficult [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► but it's sort of sig singly a thing that [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► I would write and do it's not a thing [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► that you'd say like hey piano player [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► here you go bomp bomp ed above it's just [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► not like a normal it's it's a piano part [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► written by somebody that doesn't really [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► play the piano and so it was we could [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► never figure out how to how to recreate [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► it on stage and so what we ended up [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► doing at one point was I played the bass [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► Erik Corson played the guitar and we [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► just eliminated the piano and I was so [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► terrible at the base we did this for an [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► entire tour I never figured out how to [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► do it and in fact a critic from The [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Village Voice came to our show in New [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► York and said in the review bar where [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► there's a great band lead singer can't [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► play the bass oh boy [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► but uh put that hasn't Chopin smoked [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► fortunately he only tries to do it once [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► yeah well I I deserved it I deserved it [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► can play your mind [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► kaboom yeah so Joe Pesci was in a band [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► he was friends with Frankie Valli ah and [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► so he was in a band I'm not seeing the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► name of the pin he was in a band with [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► Frank Vincent so do you remember the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► movie Goodfellas yes when he says get [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► your shine box yeah that actor [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► was in a band with with a Joseph [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► Pechersky yeah she yep there's photos Oh [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► whose photos go search for Joe Pesci [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► band well I think that she probably [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► means fish that's what I'm gonna guess [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► mm-hmm - fish fish [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► Choi fish [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► it's a it's a Sicilian message it means [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► joy sleeps with the fishes [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► he's Joyce sings with his co-star actor [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► Joe Pesci yeah I didn't know that he was [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► in a show called star time kids oh that [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► was that kids cartoon show by James [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► Brown start time babies look at them [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► they're so amazing their mustaches are [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► so moustachy high now that looks like [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► Tony Orlando is that Tony Orlando [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► oh the two guy it's a Joe Pesci and then [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► Tony Orlando and then dawn but Don it's [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► like the dawn that's funny [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► I like yeah you know what that said my [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► brother my brother and me Joe that yeah [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► that's fun that's yeah yeah it's not a [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► disrespectful thing it's it's [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► self-preservation you got to know what [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► you're in for with these people and this [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► is not to say that every guitar player I [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► mean guitar players mm-hmm if you're [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► just the guitar player even if you like [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► a really good guitar player mm-hmm see I [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► I feel like this is already problematic [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► a lot of what we're saying hmm you know [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► when you watch the Metallica documentary [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► if you were me and you thought you knew [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► what worked in Metallica mm-hmm yeah you [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► know how do you think things worked in [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► Metallica well I bought into the guitar [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► for the practicing musician idea the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► Kirk Hammett was a wonderful gift that [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► was brought to Metallica who had no idea [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► really what they were doing before then [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► no I mean that's not entirely true but [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► when you think of who in the 80's and [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► 90's unimpeachably who is the guitar [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► wizard and probably controlling cool [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► a Metallica if you had to say who in the [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► mythology it would that be James [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► Hetfield really see I came up thinking [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► that it was always Kirk Hammett Kirk [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► Kirk Hammett was always the one getting [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► before the YouTube age we could go in [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► and see who actually plays what parts [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► and does what you know we had Clues we [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► we well we had quizzes you you are [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► talking to pure crazy right now I now I [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► know that because I've seen that you [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► documentary and I've watched the YouTube [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► I knew it but the craziness that you are [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► you are talking pure crazy and I would [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► have said that in 1984 Kirk Hammett yeah [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► what was I think he knows I think a lot [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► of times he doesn't know what key it's [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► in no he was always a dingaling every [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► and everything was played by James James [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► Hetfield well my understanding is that [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► James is the guy who really brings the [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► personality and sound that makes [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► metallica metallica and his rhythm [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► guitar playing is monstrously good which [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► is all of the song that's yes and then [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► you got this guy over here and he's got [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► a block of cheese and he's grating it in [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► some kind of Phrygian mode but he might [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► be a couple of frets off and he just [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► gets a little squiggly seems to fade [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► away you get to the end of that boy and [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► he's he's doing his shredding and it's [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► it gets a little low raga my Mike my [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► experience of Metallica and this is than [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► this I think was every every true [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► because you weren't metal is the thing I [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► would not know I mean it wasn't like a [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► denim jacket guy but I deeply love mini [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► metal bands yes [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► but myself a metalhead I would call [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► myself a college rock guy you were a [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► college rock god that's right and but [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► you were not a denim jacket guy I mean [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► start but like going back up some iron [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► Iron Maiden and Metallica and some Judas [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► Priest and whatever and then into the [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► 80s like whatever was on headbangers [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► ball like that's a little later but like [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► no I mean I genuinely like I told you [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► before about my friend Phil and maybe [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► this mixtape of a metal mixtape in 1985 [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► - changed my life [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► and had so much great metal stuff on and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► Steve Lyon open all these doors to go [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► beyond what I knew of as classic rock [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► and that's where I first heard whiplash [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► shirt fade to black and like you know [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► the trap does rice and all that stuff [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► when you went to through that huge [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► accept phase we were just like all I [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► want to hear is except I believe his [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► name is but I know the singer except who [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► Dirkschneider there were two good [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► musicians in Metallica oh boy too bad [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► musicians in Metallica [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► I think we're probably gonna you know [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► what we're gonna get a lot ladders on [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► this one we're gonna get a lot of [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► letters confirming that there are two [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► good was not really playing drums he was [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► beating on a phone book when you accept [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the tonality of injustice for all and [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► realized that he was playing on a yellow [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► pages I'll you know you really [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► appreciate that boy could really play [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► some yellow pages it feels like a Bing [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► will ships an album that sounds like [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► that James Hetfield was a person and [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► this happens in music a lot of the time [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► where he's very loyal to his friend his [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► friend was there from the beginning his [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► friend was there as friends started it [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► with him and when the and when you're [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► first starting a band you start a band [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► with whoever's standing around how's it [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► else you know were they from oh yeah [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► something like he's ballet I guess they [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► technically every buddy says they're [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► from LA they're from San Francisco I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► thought they're from these bands out [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► there from like El Cerrito my thinking I [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► ccr know CCR's from LA what no teleca's [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► from San Francisco but they live they [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► live in fancy Robin Williams houses now [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► but I think they're from I think that [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► for me is BAE well no they I think they [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► are from the East Bay before we Los [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► Angeles in late 1981 when Danish born [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► drummer Lars Ulrich placed an [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► advertisement in the recycler you're [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► saying that Metallica started in LA and [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► then moved to San Francisco them is [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► being from the Oakland area Wow [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► see I don't know I'm really confusing [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► now then we're CCR from I swear to Clara [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► from LA I think come on really yeah [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► how'd that get on the Zant's label [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► that's like good east babe hmm [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► this is really upsetting to me I'm [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► taking you on four point you're gonna [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► tell me about friendship [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► Elsa no see [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► see ours from El Cerrito from the area [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► oh isn't that interesting [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► okay oh well what do you know we have [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► looked around we have that flipped [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► around you know metallic is from El now [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► what about green day the Green Day ban [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► aren't they from like mostly see ours [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► from East Bay Ocala is from LA every day [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► is from no way we're providing mnemonics [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► for future CCR is to East Bay as [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► Metallica is to LA okay okay and journey [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► journey city by the bay started out as a [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► song about la haha did you know that I [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► didn't know that yeah when let's go down [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► the city and the Sun shines on LA and [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► then they flipped it around it took and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► they turned is what they did [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► well everybody at these terrible 49ers [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► games that aren't even in the city of [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► San Francisco and they're singing along [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► on these songs their song about la [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► jumpers it's much better song about [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► about San Francisco that would have been [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► about la about it already I know the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► thing is James Hetfield he started this [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► band with this guy cuz the guy started [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► the band apparently Lars was the one [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► that put the ad in who put in the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► recycler that was him and James was like [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► a teenager and he said yeah sure and [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► then and I'm sure Lars is Danish this [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► was kind of exotic at the time you know [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► it's very metal to be from Denmark [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► Denmark is one of the more metal [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► countries that the dansk is is a very [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► metal and they're not as metal as in [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► Czechoslovakia well James had to know [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► that Lars was an albatross he was a [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► lodestone but he was a he's a man to [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► moil t matters but when they got kirk [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► hammett the only thing that he can do is [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► play a million notes those notes are non [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► melodic those notes are in my estimation [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► as a musician nonsensical [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► yeah he's there he's there Jimmy page a [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► little bit and as far what yeah [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► what do you mean Jimmy pages of genius [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► oh so much Blues so many losses oh my [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► gosh he has so many blues 'as he he's a [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► sloppy cheapskate is what he is he's [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► sloppy yes because he's feeling the [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► blues so intense it's the blues yes he'd [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► be so blue [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► what's John Paul Jones feeling because I [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► think I'm feeling what he feels John [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► Paul Jones is thinking about higher math [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► he's on different maths yeah he's like [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► Tom Schultz he's like salts whose home [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► is destroyed in the recent recent fires [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► r.i.p oh no real oh no that's terrible [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► John it's terrible wait I can't get into [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► that that's just too sad no bummers [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► Charles Schultz's home we're all great [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► laughs [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► rameneh PBP grew all the peanuts there [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► Oh [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► so anyway friendship is important and I [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► think you could agree the Jimmy Page [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► really dragged the band down and a lot [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► of points about Paige being sloppy which [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► is true yes is a it's a bonus that's a [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► blessing [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► it is a blessing because he was he's not [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► he was competing with Emerson Lake & [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► Project the the Emerson Lincoln project [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► era because that's where a lot of people [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► encoded is that the word for about prog [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► rock and it's easy to forget this really [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► good book by Dave waggle about prog rock [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► that's very very good [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► and about the culture of prog rock that [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► continues today mostly on cruise ships [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► but just me forget about this era how [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► influential all that stuff was at the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► time that's what people aspire to you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► they wanted to be freaking King Crimson [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► one that's why punk rock had to come [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► along that's that's what they say that's [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► what this one shows that's what they say [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► that's what flea says when they cut to [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► him at the in every document about every [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► classroom in John what does Chuck [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► Klosterman have to say would he be able [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► to come in and give an opinion do you [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► think I put a few words down Martin [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► Scorsese would there be an opportunity [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► for him to be sitting in a chair in his [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► little theater and be able to [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► because you know Isaac is very important [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► to Martin Scorcese he would it would [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► have another opportunity for ya / [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► opining and for for a girl to also be [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► there Oh Dave football with a big smile [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► and he'd say something very charming and [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► everybody would agree I watched his [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► documentary on Netflix now here's [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► another thing is I was watching a [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► program on Netflix and they played a [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► song that I must have heard before [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► because I had physical I used to make [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► out to Physical Graffiti in high school [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► and I owned an LP copy of it in college [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► and I listened to it like fairly often I [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► remember the song in the light the song [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► in the light is a very very good song I [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► had to hear it on a Netflix television [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► streaming program - really really she [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► ate it it was really really good and I [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► hear a song like that I hear a cashmere [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► I hear a song like that and I think I [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► think that's all John Paul Jones oh my [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► god I think I think I think Jimmy's just [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► just Jim is just sitting there counting [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► shekels he shows up he puts on a cape he [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► borrows a cape from Rick Wakeman he [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► shows up and he just he plays some [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► sloppy pentatonix for 10 minutes bananas [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► really you are literally banana took him [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that live Ron album or both or neither I [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► feel like John Paul Jones clearly a [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► genius clearly a great great great [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► player he's a good is he game no in the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► sense that like I think he genuinely [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► loves music as he doing I don't think [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► he's he's there to pull birds [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► necessarily to make shekels I think he's [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► partly there just out of a genuine love [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► of how nurten notes on a page like turn [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► into something beautiful but this is the [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► problem he's Rana Klee tragically [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► underused in Led Zeppelin mm-hmm because [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► I do not think he was given the mandate [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► at least very under-recognized I think [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► his tastefulness and like in some ways [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► maybe I don't say he was the pall of the [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► band but I think it's some ways he [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► brought things to that band that made [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► them so much more than what they [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► previously been capable of and will just [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► read it so like he's the piano player or [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► like he played the air bow here or [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► whatever he's very good but he didn't he [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► was not empowered because it wasn't his [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► band that's true if there's if there's [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► anybody in that band that's a hired gun [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► it's him and I don't think that I do not [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► think that the magic of Led Zepplin that [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► you are hearing and attributing to John [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► Paul Jones is actually coming from the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► fountain of John Paul Jones I mean he [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► does a great job at the things that he [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► does that he he kills those things that [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► were handed to him and I wish that he [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► had had more authority in the band [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► because I know you're doing that thing [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► you're saying okay what did they [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► actually put on the screen like let's [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► set aside all the Chuck Klosterman [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► ization of this like what actually [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► happened in terms of what made it onto [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► the final yeah I don't think that that [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► in the room those moments where where [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► the other dudes [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► we're probably page said okay and then [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► then all this needs to get done and he [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► pushed the big platter of hot turkey [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► dinner over and said like I don't want [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► to think or think about this or do this [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► okay it came back to him like absolutely [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► perfectly done like all that PA all that [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► keyboard stuff it's all him like he's [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► super big is that I think he's the [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► flautist [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► he's the flautist but Jimmy Page stole [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► the chord progression for stairway to [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► heaven but I think it's John Paul Jones [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► that made it work I'm sorry this is [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► fraud we can't put this out there's no [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► way page is the page is the one that is [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► coming up with all the riffs all the t's [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► that you think he's like the Pete [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► Townsend in the band uh yeah well I mean [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► the you because you know about his you [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► know page was like hot session guy he [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► was hot session guy he was a Yardbird [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► Donovan's magic carpet ride I think he [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► played on I think he played on a king [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► song possibly even you really got me [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► it's disputed whether his track made it [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► on to the final but he was on some early [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► Kings singles I think and I you know and [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► he was in the Beatles right yeah he's [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► considered the seventh Beatle seventh [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► Beatle the seventh son of the seventh [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► son mm-hmm that's where the Iron Maiden [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► album comes from there are two good [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► musicians in Led Zeppelin [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► mm-hmm and there are two people who [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► owned Led Zeppelin and made it and made [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► everything and now you're into a Jean [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► and Paul type situation there are two [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► right people in Led Zeppelin who died [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► yes there are two but none of these twos [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► overlap wait I was up one time uh Frank [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► Frank Frank Zeppelin right yeah he died [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► early he's like one he's the Nell Aspen [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► all it's banned he's like the eighth or [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► ninth member of Led Zeppelin he's like [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► the piano player of the Rolling Stones [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► who was in the Rolling Stones from the [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► very beginning but she had a certain [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► Jimmy Stone yeah yeah certain point he [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► got he got put behind the curtain yeah [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► you drive himself an electric bathtub I [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► think that's what happen easily played [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► that pretty ovation teardrop guitar [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► piano uh Rolling Stone [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► it gathers no moss but also a Rolling [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► Stone electric bathtub was actually a [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► great band that's a terrific band yeah [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► no I'm saying that there is there was a [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► guy mm-hmm not Brian Jones talk about [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► it's not not Ian mcLaughlin but one of [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► those it was a piano boy in the Rolling [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► Stones yeah yeah the piano key on please [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► I'm just kissing names at this point no [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► it's Ian Stewart Ian Stewart and he's [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► not he's not the guy from that English [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► band the other English band that's the [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► guy my thing I think it'd be in swayin [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► Stewart Ian [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► who's the guy hits you with your rhythm [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► stick that's Ian Dury he was thinking of [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► Ian Ian McKellen you McCallum Ian [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► McDermott eita Mederma no Roni Ian Loog [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► Oldham Ian Lou gold and he's the one [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► that got sampled by that fan who knocks [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► people down walking down the street [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► that's right all their money money right [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► cuz they got Peter Allen to be their [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► manager that's the guy guys was married [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► to Liza Minnelli and he stole all their [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► rights wasn't that him uh it was the was [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► he married to Liza Minnelli Peter Allen [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► Peter Allen and my baby smiles at me [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► y'all go to Rio who's the guy who stole [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► all the money he said look look look [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► look you guys you're not you're not [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► getting paid right I'm gonna set this [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► straight no that was uh that was dude [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► man it was [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► I was fun his name was Alan fun no it [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► was [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► Morty it was no I think you're right I [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► think your friendship a friendship is [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► very important but you have to know [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► where to draw the line like say for [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► example you let's just say [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► hypothetically you knew a drummer who [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► really wanted a mistake no please no [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► right right [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► it was that's like Allen Funt yeah Allen [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► Funt doer no I'm talking about Ian [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► Stewart who do you know this story no he [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► was a founding member of the Rolling [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► Stones [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► from the very beginning when they all [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► met on a railroad platform and Mick [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► Jagger was like a platform in economics [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► school that make one economics - he's [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► like hey is that a Muddy Waters record [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► and best pals and they for me is news to [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► me I thought I thought that they meant [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► that a corps Eamon show were Mick had [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► been doing some kind of an undergraduate [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► thesis [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► yeah and Keith of course was a pirate at [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► the time yeah splitting splitting a fact [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► as they were splitting effect okay so [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► this guy he and Stewart was a really [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► really good musician and he was one of [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► the Bros in the band and then Andrew [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► Loog Oldham their original manager said [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► in 1963 right before they became big he [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► was like hey mate because that's how [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► they talk to each other yeah you don't [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► look right oh because he looks kind of [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► like Huey Lewis or he looks like a bloke [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► keyboardist and he really does not look [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► like he's in the Rolling Stones he [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► doesn't and so yes yes or non Rolling [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► Stones shaped face like no matter what [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► he did with his hair couldn't have done [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► it [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► he always was gonna look wrong and so he [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► said and this is the one of the most [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► amazing things I've ever heard he said [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► okay I'll keep playing piano in the [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► Rolling Stones [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► over here Oh No just offstage and [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► everybody was like great and then [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► eventually he was like I'll carry the [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► bags you guys you guys run on ahead and [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► then pretty soon he was like he's like [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► mal Evans meets a girl with a bag on her [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► head that's not very nice [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► he was the road manager okay like my [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► goodness in whatever reason Bret and in [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► whatever how he continued to be in the [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► Rolling Stones and in their operation [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► and continued to play the piano [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► what he's doing is like straight up [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► Cyrano in the wings like he's not a [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► stage he's not acknowledged he's [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► certainly not gonna be in bands photos [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► he plays it on Beggars Banquet he plays [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► on some girls he plays he plays on honky [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► tonk woman he plays the piano oh my all [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► the Rolling Stone songs until they [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► started getting like you know Nicky [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► Hopkins and Billy Preston and stuff to [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► come do but he was those guys were all [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► coming and doing like flashy bits over [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► the top of his key piano that is on [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► every Rolling Stones record so he is the [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► bees in the bane on a heartbreaker none [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► of us have ever heard of him [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► because his face was wrong and Andrew [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► Loog Oldham was like uh sorry I mean you [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► still need a piano player but and you're [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► great and so and it's another one of [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► these you know if you put Keith Richards [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► on a camera and you say like what do you [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► think of Sheryl Crow Keith Richards be [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► like Oh shallow crush she's a fag she's [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► the brightest and so he's an he's in [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► that category of offering a plot it's [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► free in Stuart well no he would he'd be [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► like Oh according to Dawood Aryan he was [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► on honky tonk women look at that Stewart [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► loaded gear into his van drove the group [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► to gigs replaced guitar strings and set [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► up Wasa's drums the way he himself would [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► play them I never ever swore at him [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► Watts says with rueful amazement ya [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► never swore at him I never swore at him [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► once I swore at everybody else [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► is the implication well he [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► reasons I'm sure everyone everyone else [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► that ever setup my drums I swore out [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► let's do heroin in France it'll be fun [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► you guys can live on the other side of [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► the island it'll be great I just I feel [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► like I he played he played on the [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► Rolling Stones best track which is under [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► cover of the night Wow this may need to [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► be a bonus episode Harlem shuffle the [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► empirically greatest Rolling Stones song [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► is rocks off Harlem shuffle and it's got [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► that like it's got that's where we're [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► learning that Brown now that's where I [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► learned that yeah I disagree but yeah [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► the sunshine towards the daylights out [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► of me [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► everyone is entitled to their thing [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► that's the thing about the internet now [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► the O opinion is different from any [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► other all all animals are alike we're [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► all on equal footing at this point I [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► have what feels like at this point every [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► opinion is the same that your fear [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► feeling that rocks off is the best [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► Rolling Stone song yeah [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► which in the past would have been [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► demonstrably false now that science [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► doesn't matter anymore [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► now that could be just as it could be [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► taken as just as true as my opinion that [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► sway is the greatest Rolling Stone song [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► sway sway is a very good song which is [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► totally true unimpeachably that's got a [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► groove it's got a groove to it oh oh [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► breaks my heart still every time yeah [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► and it feels like they're playing like a [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► little bit behind the beat a little bit [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► it's got a what girl songs dance some [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► good songs they had some good songs for [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► sure [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► The Rolling Stones did yeah they do well [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► I yeah you know there are no Beatles [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► well now now what about nobody's there [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► no Hitler they're somewhere in between [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► what about Roger Daltrey's inferiority [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► complex [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► do you ever dwell on that I think it is [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► justified okay [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► maybe it right there [TS]