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◼   ► Brady's before gentlemen okay quite know

◼   ► how to parse that sentence but when I'm

◼   ► like checking my sound before like I

◼   ► found into you so I'm just checking it

◼   ► on my own mm-hmm I don't know what most

◼   ► people would do with they were just like

◼   ► I check one two or say hello hello but I

◼   ► always sing like I always sing to the

◼   ► microphone when I'm doing my check on my

◼   ► own and it just made me wonder to CGP

◼   ► grey ever sing I can't imagine you

◼   ► singing to yourself

◼   ► I mean Bria I am human after all if you

◼   ► prick me I will bleed right I don't

◼   ► think there is a human on earth who

◼   ► doesn't in some circumstance sing yeah

◼   ► it's a very very human experience that I

◼   ► definitely replicate on occasion try

◼   ► think like what is the best most

◼   ► probable singing time for me would be

◼   ► driving in a car on my own that's gonna

◼   ► be pretty high probability of singing

◼   ► time because I think that like that's

◼   ► the best time to sing to oneself okay

◼   ► you sing in the shower Brady you seem

◼   ► like a singing in the shower kind of guy

◼   ► I don't sing in the shower

◼   ► Shae I was like my thinking time I sing

◼   ► to the dogs a lot do you mean literally

◼   ► sing to the dogs or talk in a singsong E

◼   ► way no I'll sing to them but like I'll

◼   ► sing them a song but I'll change the

◼   ► words of the song to make it about the

◼   ► dogs

◼   ► so like you know instead of like singing

◼   ► like Brianna Gill I'll sing Brianna dog

◼   ► to the dogs and things like that

◼   ► mm-hmm or if it's songs got the name of

◼   ► a woman in it like a love song I'll

◼   ► change it to one of the dogs names or

◼   ► something that seems like a lot of

◼   ► effort for very little understanding on

◼   ► their part probably and singing to

◼   ► yourself in the car is like a good use

◼   ► of your time I don't think it's in our

◼   ► case at the time I was simply saying it

◼   ► seems like a lot of creative effort to

◼   ► change the song to be dog related like

◼   ► sit there and like write a few drafts oh

◼   ► just sing a song and just change the

◼   ► word on the spot there's no effort it's

◼   ► not like a difficult thing to do I don't

◼   ► think I could change your song on the

◼   ► fly like that to me it would seem like

◼   ► oh you'd have to really think about that

◼   ► I guess if you are as as good with words

◼   ► as a Brady is you can just spontaneously

◼   ► start singing in the words come out it's

◼   ► just

◼   ► poor like if this is the line of a song

◼   ► that says you know I love you baby you

◼   ► just change it to I love you Lulu

◼   ► there's no cleverness here I'm not like

◼   ► changing all the different words in the

◼   ► meaning of the song I'm just like

◼   ► changing one word to make it cute about

◼   ► the dogs I'm sure they appreciate it

◼   ► Brady

◼   ► the question I have is if you're not

◼   ► particularly into songs what songs do

◼   ► you sing like I can't imagine you

◼   ► knowing the words to any songs if more

◼   ► just that the like the music plays a

◼   ► very particular role in my life I don't

◼   ► have very many venues for new music to

◼   ► come into my life hmm I just don't

◼   ► follow it yeah I think like most people

◼   ► you get kind of largely stuck in the

◼   ► music that existed when you were younger

◼   ► so I feel like there's a bunch of song

◼   ► that I have on rotation that are from a

◼   ► while ago so you would sing along you

◼   ► would never sing without music to sing

◼   ► along with you wouldn't light as well on

◼   ► the stairs and sing like the first line

◼   ► of a song that's stuck in your head for

◼   ► some reason I'm literally not sure I

◼   ► could do like this didn't even occur to

◼   ► me as a scenario yeah when you're

◼   ► discussing you're singing to the dogs I

◼   ► presume that there's something on the

◼   ► radio and you're changing your X on the

◼   ► fly is you're singing along to dogs this

◼   ► changes the whole conversation baby

◼   ► because the singing is along with

◼   ► something yeah right and then the song

◼   ► is guiding your brain in this rut that's

◼   ► a very unfamiliar rut so I couldn't just

◼   ► do it spontaneously that's madness I

◼   ► don't know how you could do that like I

◼   ► wouldn't do a full song but like if like

◼   ► one or two lines of a song gets stuck in

◼   ► my head and often it's a song I don't

◼   ► like like I was at the gym a few days

◼   ► ago and they were playing the song hold

◼   ► on by Wilson Phillips which is a song

◼   ► from my youth but it's not a song I

◼   ► would like want anyone to ever hear me

◼   ► sing and it's just one line from the

◼   ► song it's been stuck in my head for days

◼   ► and days song as I walk up the stairs

◼   ► and I want it to go away

◼   ► but I will just sing it you know I'm

◼   ► sorry about that torment Brady this is

◼   ► not a frequent experience for me the

◼   ► line goes if you hold on for one more

◼   ► day but then if the dogs walk in the

◼   ► room I'll sing if you hold on for one

◼   ► more dog you know like right I'll just

◼   ► sing it to the dogs I see the pattern

◼   ► here everyone sings to their dogs you

◼   ► wait and say I don't think to Lucy

◼   ► ah and you could sing actual Lucy songs

◼   ► too I used to have a dog called Lucy and

◼   ► I had another dog called Carlos and they

◼   ► used to be out in the back

◼   ► together and my friend Tim used to come

◼   ► round and he would sing Lucy in the

◼   ► backyard with Carlos to the music of

◼   ► Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

◼   ► I guess Lucy is a name that has more

◼   ► song possibilities than Lulu yeah

◼   ► songwriters out there get on the Lulu

◼   ► songs when we used to have music lessons

◼   ► in school we used to have to sing out of

◼   ► the songbook there was a song about Lulu

◼   ► it was called don't bring Lulu and it

◼   ► was about someone was throwing a party

◼   ► and they didn't want them to bring this

◼   ► person called Lulu cause she always

◼   ► ruined the party

◼   ► I often sing add don't bring Lulu to

◼   ► Lulu what are you talking about sing out

◼   ► of the songbook we used to have these

◼   ► music lessons in primary school where we

◼   ► had these sing-along books and the

◼   ► teacher would then put on a tape that

◼   ► came with the book and the songs would

◼   ► play on the cassette tape and we would

◼   ► like have to sing along it was just one

◼   ► of the activities we would do okay so

◼   ► you're talking about little little kids

◼   ► school okay yeah yeah primary school but

◼   ► there was a song called don't bring Lulu

◼   ► and all the songs used to sing in school

◼   ► they're all burned into my head I still

◼   ► know the lyrics to don't bring Lulu so I

◼   ► have got a Lulu song ready to roll good

◼   ► you should think of to her after the

◼   ► show I can't she's not here tonight well

◼   ► where is she

◼   ► well I'm away for the next few days so

◼   ► the dogs are away at their holiday home

◼   ► it's a bit of a sad time for me when the

◼   ► dogs are away right holiday home in the

◼   ► country let's buy the beach by the beach

◼   ► they love it they get to walk on the

◼   ► beach every day I sometimes think

◼   ► they're a bit sad with regular listeners

◼   ► or even irregular listeners to hello

◼   ► internet we know that you and I have

◼   ► different attitudes to supermarket

◼   ► checkouts you prefer the self-checkout

◼   ► mmm-hmm because you don't like sort of

◼   ► awkward interactions with the people who

◼   ► are doing the checkout right and I

◼   ► prefer to go through with the people

◼   ► because I think the people working in a

◼   ► supermarket are quicker and better at it

◼   ► and I don't mind the interaction you're

◼   ► a man of the people you like to have a

◼   ► little chat hear what's going on in

◼   ► their life this has been well

◼   ► established so anyway an amazing thing

◼   ► happened tonight like a switch went

◼   ► tonight in a funny kind of way because I

◼   ► went to the supermarket tonight and it

◼   ► was just a quick smash and grab I just

◼   ► needed to grab three things dinner

◼   ► I just need a three thing look and I had

◼   ► my three things and then I got to the

◼   ► checkouts there's a long long row of

◼   ► checkouts where I shop very long human

◼   ► checkouts human checkouts and then right

◼   ► at the end are all the self checkouts

◼   ► but I was very far from the self

◼   ► checkouts and I walked up to the human

◼   ► checkouts with their big long conveyor

◼   ► belts and their spacious alleys for

◼   ► supermarket trolleys and write all of

◼   ► that and it was very quiet and there

◼   ► were two or three that had no people so

◼   ► I could have just walked up and said

◼   ► here my three things thank you very much

◼   ► and I was suddenly overcome with this

◼   ► sense of like guilt or they would think

◼   ► I was a bad person for going up to the

◼   ► normal check out with the big conveyor

◼   ► belt and all the infrastructure in place

◼   ► for a trolley and I was just going there

◼   ► with my three items I felt like if I

◼   ► went up I don't know I felt like I

◼   ► couldn't do it I felt like three items

◼   ► were too few so instead I traipsed all

◼   ► the way to the end to the self-checkout

◼   ► where I had to queue and where there

◼   ► were people using the self-checkout

◼   ► using trolleys with up to like 40 items

◼   ► laborious Lee self jerking themselves

◼   ► out and I stood there in the queue

◼   ► waiting to use my three items on the

◼   ► self checkout because I felt this

◼   ► pressure or guilt or something coming

◼   ► from somewhere that I couldn't use he

◼   ► came and check out with so few items oh

◼   ► really

◼   ► reading two things first of all that

◼   ► this story just confirms to me like you

◼   ► don't know how to supermarket there's

◼   ► something is that that that invalidates

◼   ► everything I've ever told me about your

◼   ► supermarket use and secondly I feel like

◼   ► you're also in a supermarket in an

◼   ► alternate universe like who's going to

◼   ► the self-checkout with a trough like

◼   ► I've never seen such a thing where

◼   ► someone goes to the self yet to be fair

◼   ► that freaked me out I swear she had at

◼   ► least 40 items in her trolley and she

◼   ► was very slow I was like why okay but

◼   ► does your supermarket not have a ten

◼   ► items or fewer Lane that would absolve

◼   ► your guilt of having the few items

◼   ► yeah and that's right next to the

◼   ► self-checkout but once I'd gotten there

◼   ► I thought I well I might as well do the

◼   ► self check but there were all these

◼   ► empty lanes up ahead and I don't know

◼   ► whether it's just in my head or there is

◼   ► some yeah it's just rescher that's

◼   ► happening in society now where if you've

◼   ► got few items it's considered bad to use

◼   ► a checkout person but I felt like I

◼   ► couldn't do it

◼   ► okay I think this is all in your head

◼   ► but I'm curious madness do you feel that

◼   ► there is some kind of social norm that

◼   ► is spreading here yet if you have small

◼   ► items you have to use the the

◼   ► self-checkout yeah I feel like if you're

◼   ► like a young able-bodied person there's

◼   ► a few items like where I was you know in

◼   ► looking all super fit in my gym gear and

◼   ► all my style yeah I'm a you know with my

◼   ► three items so then if I went into like

◼   ► the lane for the people with trolleys or

◼   ► people who struggle to do things

◼   ► themselves they'd look at me and go what

◼   ► are you doing here like okay you're

◼   ► doing this yourself you're like what are

◼   ► you so you feel like the human checkout

◼   ► lanes are not for it the physically fits

◼   ► and with small items like is that where

◼   ► you feel like this is going like you

◼   ► need a bunch of stuff yeah where you

◼   ► need difficulty that must be it I felt

◼   ► like I would be abusing a privilege hmm

◼   ► which I know is stupid and like it keeps

◼   ► people in a job if I use that line yeah

◼   ► but I felt like it would be lazy of me

◼   ► to have used it it just happened tonight

◼   ► I would I walk towards and I thought now

◼   ► I can't do it I've got to go and do the

◼   ► self checkout even though I've got to

◼   ► walk all the way to the other end of the

◼   ► store and then go in a line and then do

◼   ► the checking out myself which I hate

◼   ► doing and I'm not good at I have this

◼   ► mental image of you walking past ten

◼   ► cashiers every one of them with their

◼   ► eyes on you watching you walk past

◼   ► thinking that guy is part of the problem

◼   ► that guy is why I'm gonna get fired next

◼   ► week because he won't use one of these

◼   ► checkout lanes I know it may be a rut it

◼   ► was a weird thing I thought you'd be

◼   ► pleased by it but I couldn't believe I

◼   ► was doing it I think he just confirms to

◼   ► me that we have wildly different

◼   ► Supermarket experiences and that makes

◼   ► no sense I feel like there's a related

◼   ► question here about social expectations

◼   ► around the use of common areas in this

◼   ► way so here's a question hmm

◼   ► there's a bunch of bathrooms one of the

◼   ► bathrooms has the handicap symbol on it

◼   ► yeah all of the bathrooms that you could

◼   ► use except for that one are full hmm

◼   ► what do you do in the scenario Brady

◼   ► probably white you'd wait interesting is

◼   ► anyone there that can see me there is a

◼   ► security camera in the in the hallway

◼   ► all right so you're looking at like a

◼   ► bunch of doors and there's a hallway and

◼   ► there's a security camera I mean I'd be

◼   ► less worried about a security camera

◼   ► than actual

◼   ► the people but this is why I picked that

◼   ► in particular there's no human yeah but

◼   ► you are not purely on your own if I was

◼   ► capable of waiting okay I would most

◼   ► likely wait if the situation felt like

◼   ► it was becoming urgent I may go into the

◼   ► unused one but if I could wait I would

◼   ► probably wait what about you I have

◼   ► always been of the opinion very firmly

◼   ► that those bathrooms are handicap

◼   ► accessible they are not handicap

◼   ► exclusive right I am perfectly happy

◼   ► without any social guilt whatsoever to

◼   ► stroll right into the handicapped

◼   ► bathroom oh so though the times I have

◼   ► used those toilets I actually find all

◼   ► that extra space quite disconcerting to

◼   ► use a toilet and have like a really long

◼   ► long way away to the door and have all

◼   ► that open space around me I find quite

◼   ► unnerving don't you is it like bathroom

◼   ► agoraphobia is that what you're saying

◼   ► yeah kind of like I don't want to be

◼   ► using a bathroom with that much space

◼   ► around me and lend me that far from the

◼   ► door because if like someone opens the

◼   ► door or tries to open the door I'm too

◼   ► far away to do anything about it that is

◼   ► a good point if you forget to latch it

◼   ► you don't have the ability to emergency

◼   ► slam yeah at the door and save everyone

◼   ► the embarrassment of what's happening

◼   ► yeah

◼   ► all it's going to happen is the door

◼   ► opens and there you are exposed to the

◼   ► world I'm picturing that frog walking in

◼   ► there yeah he just opens the door and

◼   ► stands there and smiles at you that's

◼   ► what the Frog does he's not even there

◼   ► to use the bathroom he's just there to

◼   ► watch I noticed that you have changed

◼   ► your Twitter handle and picture to get

◼   ► into the Halloween theme you have

◼   ► succumbed to the pumpkin pressure how

◼   ► ways becomes a pumpkin pressure I don't

◼   ► know about that you did you think that's

◼   ► a fair description of what what occurred

◼   ► oh well I mean either that or someone

◼   ► just suggested such a cracking name

◼   ► you obviously have extremely creative

◼   ► friends here's the thing Brady sometimes

◼   ► you hear an idea and you just know the

◼   ► idea is irresistible I feel like it's

◼   ► not actually pumpkin pressure I just

◼   ► like that idea was too good to pass on

◼   ► and plus unbeknownst to you at the time

◼   ► of recording I was immediately after

◼   ► going to be posting a video that was

◼   ► related to death and so like as soon as

◼   ► that show was over I was like I can't

◼   ► not do this I have no free will in this

◼   ► scenario I'm going to have to change my

◼   ► name to r.i.p gray is not even a choice

◼   ► so are you happy though do you feel you

◼   ► feel pleased with yourself I do you feel

◼   ► like a little sense of ownership

◼   ► obviously because you then put a death

◼   ► video didn't make me wonder would you

◼   ► have done it if you didn't have a death

◼   ► video in the works but I think you would

◼   ► have I think it was a good enough idea

◼   ► that you would to be fair I the death

◼   ► video thing made it perfect it made it

◼   ► absolutely perfect in the world but it

◼   ► was it struck me as just such a good

◼   ► idea and said such again masterful

◼   ► wordsmithing partic of a Brady Haran

◼   ► mm-hmm I think had the stars not aligned

◼   ► you would still have had a pretty good

◼   ► chance of getting me to do that can I

◼   ► just say this whole with this people

◼   ► changing their names to halloween-themed

◼   ► and changing their avatars and that

◼   ► mm-hmm

◼   ► the thing about it that bothers me the

◼   ► most and I don't know if it was hammered

◼   ► home enough in the last episode so I

◼   ► just this is one point I want to make

◼   ► it's not so much my problem with doing

◼   ► it it's how long people do it for they

◼   ► should just do it on the day of

◼   ► Halloween like just on yeah first change

◼   ► your name to something spooky we all

◼   ► have a laugh doing it for the whole

◼   ► month you know did I don't think they

◼   ► celebrate at the end of World War 2 for

◼   ► a month we change things for Halloween

◼   ► for a whole month I have to completely

◼   ► agree with you on that and and also I

◼   ► agree that we didn't hammer at home well

◼   ► enough and in the previous show it's

◼   ► like it could be fun for a day but the

◼   ► length of time it's just too much it's

◼   ► just too long and even the whole r.i.p

◼   ► gray thing i was aware that i felt like

◼   ► it was a little soon to do it anyway hmm

◼   ► halloween is fantastic as we both agree

◼   ► one of the best holidays in the year

◼   ► everybody loves Halloween but doing it

◼   ► for an entire month is just too long I'm

◼   ► also gonna say like I especially think

◼   ► Halloween is a holiday that really

◼   ► doesn't serve being stretched out for a

◼   ► long period of time like Christmas I can

◼   ► kind of get on board with

◼   ► and Christmas from like Thanksgiving

◼   ► until Christmas it's like okay well we

◼   ► just have a time of year that is merry

◼   ► and filled with lights

◼   ► it's the season it's a season yeah it's

◼   ► a Christmas season and I'm fine with

◼   ► that I don't like it with it six months

◼   ► in advance right but I can deal

◼   ► essentially with two months of Christmas

◼   ► that's fine but a month of Halloween is

◼   ► like if we had Valentine's Day and you

◼   ► started Valentine's Day stuff January

◼   ► 7th yeah no more Halloween stretching

◼   ► people feet oh come on

◼   ► one day the build-up week I enjoy the

◼   ► week build at work yeah building like a

◼   ► week before seeing the decorations go up

◼   ► but but Lex they sell pumpkins so long

◼   ► before Halloween that I think there's no

◼   ► way those pumpkins are still gonna be

◼   ► good by Halloween I feel like there's a

◼   ► delicate line which I'm okay with sort

◼   ► of fall themed decorations maybe up to a

◼   ► month before Halloween and in that case

◼   ► is like while putting out some pumpkins

◼   ► okay pumpkins a little a little close

◼   ► but like if you want to put out a squash

◼   ► I'm very okay with that right but it's

◼   ► like where do we draw the line of what

◼   ► becomes a Halloween decoration between

◼   ► whatever it is just like seasonal

◼   ► decoration I don't know exactly where to

◼   ► draw that line but I just need to

◼   ► specify you know for the record here

◼   ► that I'm okay with some fall themed

◼   ► decorations leading up to Halloween but

◼   ► Halloween is spiders and ghosts and

◼   ► skulls and witches and werewolves and

◼   ► vampires and all that stuff that's week

◼   ► before tops in the previous episode I

◼   ► said and I spoke on behalf of my home

◼   ► nation of Australia that when we

◼   ► pronounce the word Lego we say Lego and

◼   ► you were quite surprised by this you

◼   ► were like oh what a funny way to say

◼   ► Lego and I'm telling you but it was an

◼   ► Australian ISM I had never come across

◼   ► it was an Australian in Australia we say

◼   ► Lego can you imagine my horror when my

◼   ► fellow Australians started calling me on

◼   ► and saying what are you talking about

◼   ► ready it's Lego goodness is this like

◼   ► have I just alone been doing it all this

◼   ► time

◼   ► yeah was this a joke that your family

◼   ► pulled on you yeah I think all families

◼   ► have that thing that they do which i

◼   ► think is kind of strange where a kid is

◼   ► mispronouncing something in a funny way

◼   ► and the whole family just lets it slide

◼   ► for what seems like a really long time

◼   ► like maybe your family did this with you

◼   ► and Lego well anyway I was a bit worried

◼   ► so I did a bit more research a bit more

◼   ► polling a bit more informal surveying of

◼   ► people out there and also reading some

◼   ► articles and it turns out saying Lego

◼   ► instead of Lego is a South Australian

◼   ► thing it's something that a lot of

◼   ► people from my home state of South

◼   ► Australia the capital of which is

◼   ► Adelaide right say so it's actually a

◼   ► regional pronunciation that I was

◼   ► forcing upon you not all Australians

◼   ► probably not even all South Australians

◼   ► for all I know but it's a very South

◼   ► Australian thing to say Lego and I've

◼   ► since learned there are other little

◼   ► enclaves of Canada and the United States

◼   ► like certain regions or states and areas

◼   ► where I was also getting a high Lego

◼   ► pronunciation so there are little

◼   ► pockets of Lego out there but it wasn't

◼   ► like a whole countrywide thing and I

◼   ► just wanted to clarify that I'm just

◼   ► pulling up a map of Australia here

◼   ► because when you say South Australia

◼   ► yeah do you do you mean oh this is

◼   ► embarrassing is the word province is

◼   ► what's the the subdivision there States

◼   ► States okay do you mean the state of

◼   ► South Australia or do you mean southern

◼   ► Australia like the bottom half of

◼   ► Australia I mean the state of South

◼   ► Australia because Victoria and New South

◼   ► Wales which Theora I would also appear

◼   ► to be southern states right other more

◼   ► popular states and they do not say Lego

◼   ► they were the ones who were jumping what

◼   ► do you mean - my eyes is there some way

◼   ► that they're not more southern it's a

◼   ► little known fact outside of Australia

◼   ► but South Australia which is not the

◼   ► southernmost Australian state by far is

◼   ► actually differently than it really is

◼   ► okay you are right but to defend myself

◼   ► if you lived in Australia you would

◼   ► refer to those as the eastern states

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◼   ► you would say the eastern states where

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◼   ► from the eastern states so even though

◼   ► Victoria and

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◼   ► referred to as eastern this is the

◼   ► linguistic southern verse yes yes I just

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◼   ► amount of feedback that you weren't

◼   ► getting from someone from Perth

◼   ► complaining that people in the southern

◼   ► part of Australia

◼   ► don't say leg oh I know my Australian

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◼   ► before so of course in the great

◼   ► tradition of hello internet it feels

◼   ► like as soon as we talk about a thing

◼   ► the whole world around that thing

◼   ► changes yeah I'm sure

◼   ► because of the show we are influences

◼   ► yes we are influencers shapers shapers

◼   ► of culture yeah by no means is this the

◼   ► car effect or when you buy a car you see

◼   ► it everywhere it's not that at all it's

◼   ► like it's it's like a reverse the secret

◼   ► right we think about a thing in the

◼   ► whole world around us changes to bend to

◼   ► our thoughts that's just a straight line

◼   ► of causation it's a straight line of

◼   ► causation yeah so one of the things that

◼   ► has happened is we have been discussing

◼   ► emoji we have we've been discussing

◼   ► animal emoji in particular in some

◼   ► detail and B emoji in particular and

◼   ► complained about Apple B emoji guess

◼   ► what emoji is being changed in the next

◼   ► release of iOS Brady really the B emoji

◼   ► is getting an update that Ronna yeah now

◼   ► this brings up a thing that I

◼   ► I want to discuss with you so if you

◼   ► look at the link in a hit put in the

◼   ► show notes I am it is not just the B

◼   ► emoji that is getting changed there are

◼   ► five animal emoji that are getting

◼   ► changed in the next update to iOS okay

◼   ► the B the snail the octopus the whale

◼   ► and the dolphin okay on the image you

◼   ► are looking at the top row is the new

◼   ► version and the bottom row is the old

◼   ► version yes can you describe for the

◼   ► listeners what you're looking at and

◼   ► tell me your thoughts on these changes

◼   ► alright well let me talk you through it

◼   ► we do spend a lot of time talking about

◼   ► emojis for an audio medium but anyway I

◼   ► think emojis and podcasts is like peanut

◼   ► butter and jelly right they just go

◼   ► together perfectly so the old bee was

◼   ► like a big fat bully be with little tiny

◼   ► tiny stick legs and stinking antennae

◼   ► and now it's getting more substantial

◼   ► realistic insect D legs and beefed up

◼   ► antennae more realistic beefed up wings

◼   ► got a slightly droopy a sting yes it's

◼   ► true it is it does have a do Priya sting

◼   ► is a big bi as well yes sorry of course

◼   ► the change of the eye is the probably

◼   ► the most significant change from just a

◼   ► little lazy white dot when someone

◼   ► really wasn't trying to a more sort of

◼   ► realistic being three-dimensional dome

◼   ► like dark eye with even with a little

◼   ► bit of white reflection in it from the

◼   ► light from the camera that is somewhere

◼   ► off screen for this emoji or the window

◼   ► or whatever here okay a snail the main

◼   ► changes to the snail it's just got more

◼   ► detail that it's putting more sort of

◼   ► photo realism in there and again they've

◼   ► obviously decided the previous eyes that

◼   ► are on the end of the stalks on the head

◼   ► of the snail were just too small and

◼   ► insignificant and they've given it sort

◼   ► of slightly larger darker eyes are the

◼   ► bay and the snail also used to have two

◼   ► little human eyes on top of it stalks

◼   ► like if you zoom in there basically

◼   ► human eyes like nose eyes like that

◼   ► yeah so yes more realism there a bit

◼   ► more realism but not a dramatic change

◼   ► the octopus on the other hand they've

◼   ► gone in hard hmm because the old octopus

◼   ► was quite cutesy

◼   ► and was sort of looking at you frontin

◼   ► and it looked like something that would

◼   ► be a child's toy or something you wanted

◼   ► to give a little cuddle to and

◼   ► significantly it also has four legs but

◼   ► the upgrade they've gone for more the

◼   ► killer octopus that you're scared will

◼   ► grab a ship and pull it underwater and

◼   ► again it looks more realistic it looks

◼   ► more aggressive if it's in a more

◼   ► aggressive pose oh yeah I just realized

◼   ► that actor pussy's doing like a little

◼   ► bicep curl with each arm they still have

◼   ► an up their game to eight legs they

◼   ► stopped at six well you know what can

◼   ► you do and you know there's just a

◼   ► little bit more texture on the head and

◼   ► again we've gone for more sort of

◼   ► realism moving on to the whale the whale

◼   ► again was super cute cutesy child's toy

◼   ► that would play with in the bath and

◼   ► they've kind of maintained the cutesy

◼   ► nurse it hasn't changed a tremendous

◼   ► amount they've put the eye in a more

◼   ► realistic place it still doesn't look

◼   ► like a very realistic whale and they've

◼   ► added a lot more fine detail to the

◼   ► water spout that it's blowing at the top

◼   ► and finally the dolphin dolphin again

◼   ► hasn't changed much it went from a

◼   ► pretty kind of run-of-the-mill artistic

◼   ► representation of a dolphin that's quite

◼   ► cutesy and they've pretty much kept it

◼   ► that way but they've just added more

◼   ► sort of texture and fluting and designed

◼   ► to the side of the dolphin and they've

◼   ► made the fins look a bit more real it

◼   ► still doesn't look like a real dolphin

◼   ► but they've given it more it looks more

◼   ► like something that would be a living

◼   ► thing rather than a drawing do you have

◼   ► a preference for the new versus the old

◼   ► like if you have to accept them as a

◼   ► package new versus old as a package I

◼   ► prefer the old I don't like the path

◼   ► they're going down here they're moving

◼   ► away from the spirit of emojis I agree

◼   ► with you 100% and in fact when I saw

◼   ► this image I liked I was thinking about

◼   ► our conversation last time about emojis

◼   ► a surprising amount you're talking about

◼   ► how songs get stuck in your head and

◼   ► you're thinking about them over and over

◼   ► again I found myself since our last

◼   ► recording constantly thinking about like

◼   ► what is the Platonic ideal of emoji

◼   ► right this is this is an idea that was

◼   ► just recurring in my brain over and over

◼   ► again

◼   ► and while I was thinking that of course

◼   ► like our show goes out and then a couple

◼   ► of days later Apple as a direct result

◼   ► announces that they're going to change a

◼   ► bunch of the emoji and this image like

◼   ► this side-by-side image here of the five

◼   ► animals and how they're changing it it

◼   ► really crystallized something in my mind

◼   ► which is like I didn't like the Apple

◼   ► emojis all that much to begin with and

◼   ► now I really don't like them and it is

◼   ► because it's like Apple has lost the way

◼   ► of what an emoji is and the thing that

◼   ► crystallized in my mind is like oh I

◼   ► know what emoji are emoji are modern

◼   ► hieroglyphics and as such they need some

◼   ► level of abstraction like emojis are

◼   ► almost like an alphabet and the more I

◼   ► think you make it like a photograph

◼   ► which is the way Apple is clearly going

◼   ► like they're making them more photograph

◼   ► like more impossible to draw the less I

◼   ► feel like their emoji the less I like

◼   ► them and I think there's also

◼   ► crystallized why in the last show we

◼   ► were talking about the blobs like the

◼   ► Android emojis would draw a family it

◼   ► would be a family of blobs like four

◼   ► little blob creatures like oh that's a

◼   ► family versus an increasingly realistic

◼   ► depiction of a family I could never

◼   ► quite put my finger on like why does

◼   ► that kind of bug me and now I know

◼   ► because I feel like some level of

◼   ► abstraction is intrinsic to what an

◼   ► emoji is and if you're taking away all

◼   ► abstraction I don't think it's an emoji

◼   ► anymore like it's just a picture

◼   ► I mean speculating on what's going on

◼   ► here because I think I kind of see

◼   ► what's going on here and why it's

◼   ► happening hmm and it all comes down to

◼   ► how you use your emoji okay tell me

◼   ► there are two main ways that I use my

◼   ► emoji the first way is when I'm sending

◼   ► text messages maybe to someone like you

◼   ► where we're exchanging a series of sms's

◼   ► and occasionally we'll drop an emoji and

◼   ► to be funny or express something and in

◼   ► that case the emoji is appearing in a

◼   ► line of text and ideally you want it to

◼   ► be about the size of the text

◼   ► yes it's sometimes it's in the line

◼   ► right and when that happens they small

◼   ► cute low detail emoji are ideal and the

◼   ► super detailed emoji seem in fact seem

◼   ► very very useless

◼   ► I can imagine these emoji at that size

◼   ► there is a second way that I use emoji

◼   ► though and there is when I'm on snapchat

◼   ► sometimes I'll take a picture and I want

◼   ► to add an emoji to the picture and when

◼   ► you do that you make your emojis much

◼   ► bigger where I drag them onto the screen

◼   ► and then you pinch with your fingers

◼   ► outwards to make them bigger and bigger

◼   ► so they become almost a feature of the

◼   ► picture like I might take a picture of

◼   ► the sea and then say oh wouldn't it be

◼   ► funny if I put a big emoji whale in

◼   ► there swimming in the sea right and if I

◼   ► do that the emoji becomes very big and

◼   ► in that case the detail starts having

◼   ► some use and in some ways I see more

◼   ► utility in the detailed ones and the

◼   ► very low detail emojis when they're

◼   ► blown up big become quite unusable and

◼   ► they just sort of look out of place and

◼   ► wrong they don't work so I don't use

◼   ► them so I think what's happening is

◼   ► they're seeing more and more people are

◼   ► using their emojis as these huge

◼   ► decorative ornaments in sort of picture

◼   ► based communication and they're being

◼   ► used to less and less as a punctuation

◼   ► mark in a sentence and maybe that's why

◼   ► they're changing the emojis in this way

◼   ► and for me that's a shame because I

◼   ► still prefer the use of emoji in

◼   ► sentences and text you know in a tweet

◼   ► or a text to someone so these detailed

◼   ► ones are doing me a disservice but I can

◼   ► imagine on snapchat these ones will be a

◼   ► bit handier that's an interesting

◼   ► distinction I have a like a slightly

◼   ► more cynical interpretation Apple is

◼   ► rolling out this an emoji feature with

◼   ► their new phone where you can have the

◼   ► emoji be animated okay I have a

◼   ► suspicion that Apple is setting up all

◼   ► of these emoji as being animated things

◼   ► in the future to maybe integrate with

◼   ► face recognition on their phone or to be

◼   ► able to do things with maybe or maybe

◼   ► not someone spent a lot of time looking

◼   ► through the history of all the Apple

◼   ► emoji and seeing the direction they were

◼   ► going in who knows but if you were to do

◼   ► that there's a clear arrow toward

◼   ► increasing detail and especially

◼   ► suddenly like way more detail I suspect

◼   ► that that's where they're going with

◼   ► this but that aside on all platforms

◼   ► you're totally right that there are two

◼   ► different use cases there's in line with

◼   ► text and there is out of line with text

◼   ► that's totally true

◼   ► but what makes an emoji and emoji versus

◼   ► like the concept of a sticker which many

◼   ► platforms have is that an emoji can

◼   ► exist in line with text that's what it

◼   ► is yeah like I feel very strongly that

◼   ► that is that at the level that the

◼   ► design should be at and at that level

◼   ► you have to have a some abstraction

◼   ► built into the design you can't just

◼   ► have a tiny picture of the thing you

◼   ► have to have some level of abstraction

◼   ► but yeah big giant detailed emojis

◼   ► everywhere that's where we're going I do

◼   ► think your emoji theory is more likely

◼   ► right actually if I have to weigh up my

◼   ► theory which involves Apple saying let's

◼   ► make emojis that are more useful for our

◼   ► customers or your theory which is let's

◼   ► make emojis which will sell more iPhones

◼   ► gee how does that board meeting go

◼   ► [Laughter]

◼   ► amongst the sort of the the first world

◼   ► youtuber problems that we grew up about

◼   ► most freebooting must be up there and

◼   ► I've been at another freebooting victim

◼   ► recently but it did highlight one of my

◼   ► little gripes about freebooters that I

◼   ► don't think I've raised before I know is

◼   ► there some depth left unplumbed on this

◼   ► topic is shocking I think you'll

◼   ► appreciate this one and I think it comes

◼   ► from a confusion that people have about

◼   ► using things fairly fair use and things

◼   ► like that and it's maybe a confusion

◼   ► that someone like you has helped foster

◼   ► with some of our previous conversations

◼   ► although I don't think like you're the

◼   ► root of the problem here I just think

◼   ► it's like because people have probably

◼   ► heard us in the past often talk about

◼   ► you know percentages like when we were

◼   ► talking about that recent fair use thing

◼   ► there was you know what percentage of

◼   ► the video was taken and stuff right so

◼   ► this is what I'll just give you the

◼   ► practical example because this shows the

◼   ► example perfectly I got some alert or

◼   ► something on my system saying or

◼   ► someone's you know free btg video go and

◼   ► check it so I went along and did my

◼   ► check because I always have a look and

◼   ► see what's this is in the YouTube

◼   ► content in the YouTube backend because

◼   ► sometimes they haven't free booted or it

◼   ► is fair use so it's not even my content

◼   ► and things like that so

◼   ► go and have a look so I find this video

◼   ► it's this math video of mine and the

◼   ► freebooter in question has taken like a

◼   ► huge chunk of the video like not the

◼   ► whole video but say three or four

◼   ► minutes consecutive unedited and

◼   ► commented it's just a really nice

◼   ► explanation of a mathematical concept

◼   ► with nice animations and it was very

◼   ► useful to this person so they've taken

◼   ► that piece of my video and they've

◼   ► dropped it into a video they've made

◼   ► that's about an hour long I imagine is

◼   ► made to be like a lecture or a lesson or

◼   ► something it's a big long video and

◼   ► partway through they've obviously said

◼   ► ah to understand this concept here we go

◼   ► and then they'll play my video for three

◼   ► or four minutes and then they crack on

◼   ► with whatever they were doing in their

◼   ► video just drummed it in and in there

◼   ► kind of thing that they wrote where they

◼   ► like defend to why this is fair use

◼   ► their defense was this is fair use

◼   ► because I used four minutes of your

◼   ► video but that is only ten percent of my

◼   ► whole video because my whole video only

◼   ► ten percent of it is to your video

◼   ► that's fair use because that's hardly

◼   ► anything and all the rest of it came

◼   ► from other places so I haven't free

◼   ► booted you and I think that's ridiculous

◼   ► I mean that's a new one to me I haven't

◼   ► come across that before I've seen it a

◼   ► few times I mean by that rationale I

◼   ► could upload all of Star Wars and as

◼   ► long as I tagged another 30 hours on the

◼   ► end of it of me just juggling I can say

◼   ► hey I didn't free boot Star Wars because

◼   ► it's only ten percent of my video yeah

◼   ► or anything like I'm just gonna go

◼   ► around and make a compilation of all of

◼   ► the funniest videos on YouTube right and

◼   ► for each individual content creator week

◼   ► oh but you're only 1% of the total thing

◼   ► that has been created yeah it's like if

◼   ► I walked around Bristol and punched 50

◼   ► people in the face and one of them came

◼   ► up to me said hey he just assaulted me

◼   ► and said hey no no I punched 50 people

◼   ► in the face metaphor escalation here

◼   ► you haven't been assaulted because lots

◼   ► of other stuff has happened so you

◼   ► haven't been wronged

◼   ► so I guess did you see this a lot like

◼   ► people are using your videos in in like

◼   ► a longer selection of other thing cuz I

◼   ► think that is interesting yes that is

◼   ► quite common like someone will make like

◼   ► a big long lesson and you know today I

◼   ► want to

◼   ► to you all the ins and outs of calculus

◼   ► and to do so I'm gonna like go and

◼   ► cherry-pick all the best explanations of

◼   ► every concept ever and put them all

◼   ► together in a big mashup hmm but it's

◼   ► not like they've taken like a few

◼   ► seconds and critiqued it or used it like

◼   ► it's just a complete section like a big

◼   ► section being used because that's just

◼   ► you know useful to them but don't you

◼   ► want to spread knowledge of calculus

◼   ► around the world I'm sure part of the

◼   ► justification also had some line about

◼   ► are this video is you know it's it did

◼   ► say although I'm making money from it

◼   ► it's educational I don't know what

◼   ► happened but basically I press the

◼   ► button to say I don't agree with this

◼   ► and I don't know what's gonna happen

◼   ► next I don't know how the system works I

◼   ► think after a while YouTube just drop it

◼   ► don't neighbor well you can end up

◼   ► getting all the revenue from the ads

◼   ► that are running on their video right

◼   ► that's the thing that can happen but if

◼   ► they then say no no I disagree ten

◼   ► percents fine

◼   ► what does YouTube do now do they then

◼   ► say well now what do you say Brady are

◼   ► you gonna take them to court if there's

◼   ► this Mexican standoff and you're no

◼   ► one's willing to go to court who wins in

◼   ► the end

◼   ► it's the person with the copyright claim

◼   ► win right we have this actually with the

◼   ► hello internet video that was uploaded

◼   ► several episodes ago when we talked

◼   ► about the I can't say the name of the

◼   ► song but the Melissa Florian whatever

◼   ► yeah that Italian one right the Italian

◼   ► one and so I put that song in the

◼   ► podcast for people to hear yeah just

◼   ► like a sample here's what it sounds like

◼   ► yeah

◼   ► hooligan debate whether or not that was

◼   ► like too much or not enough right this

◼   ► is always the ambiguities of copyright

◼   ► well greg was only 0.01% of our podcast

◼   ► so I think we're safe yeah I may have

◼   ► used thirty seconds of the song but the

◼   ► podcast is really long yeah but so

◼   ► anyway there was a like as I kind of

◼   ► expected there was going to be there was

◼   ► a copyright claim on that yeah and I

◼   ► went through the little appeals process

◼   ► like I think this is fair use and the

◼   ► copyright holder came back and said no

◼   ► they disagree and the way the YouTube

◼   ► system works which I think YouTube

◼   ► should definitely improve is that all of

◼   ► the ad revenue on that podcast goes to

◼   ► the copyright holder for that song yeah

◼   ► to me seems like a little much even if

◼   ► you were in the wrong and use too much

◼   ► of it which I don't think you did but

◼   ► even if you did yeah

◼   ► fact that from that hole to our podcast

◼   ► they now get all the revenue because we

◼   ► used 40 seconds of their song instead of

◼   ► 15 that's nuts

◼   ► yeah it's a weird system it seems like

◼   ► from everything I've seen with other

◼   ► Creators and the stuff I've had

◼   ► first-hand experience on that like one

◼   ► copyright holder becomes the one who

◼   ► wins like who's the one that's most

◼   ► wronged and that person is the one who

◼   ► ends up with the claim on the revenue

◼   ► from the advertising dollars no well

◼   ► what are you gonna do

◼   ► what are you gonna do you got to pick

◼   ► your fights don't you yeah then you pick

◼   ► that fight told that guy now well I

◼   ► don't know what's gonna happen

◼   ► sing we're talking about YouTube fights

◼   ► should we deal with my other one that's

◼   ► bubbling a look at the moment yeah so my

◼   ► other little YouTube problem at the

◼   ► moment gray is I have had another video

◼   ► demonetized put into the sin bin of

◼   ► advertising deemed inappropriate and

◼   ► unfriendly for advertising and instead

◼   ► of that nice green tick you get next to

◼   ► a video saying no you can have ads on

◼   ► this video I have the dreaded yellow

◼   ► tick of naughtiness brainy I just have

◼   ► to ask why do you keep uploading

◼   ► inappropriate videos to YouTube I mean

◼   ► where there's smoke there's fire right

◼   ► you give me an example

◼   ► oh there's one where you're uploading

◼   ► deranged videos to YouTube and you get

◼   ► this slap down but you keep doing it you

◼   ► seem to not be able to help yourself

◼   ► yeah I keep pushing the boundaries if

◼   ► it's allowed you keep uploading all

◼   ► these inappropriate videos do you do

◼   ► that they're not advertiser friendly I

◼   ► don't know what you're up to over there

◼   ► on objectivity those of you who don't

◼   ► watch objectivity and how dare you not

◼   ► watch it why how dare you but if you

◼   ► somehow a measly episode we did a video

◼   ► about this guy called Eadweard Muybridge

◼   ► who you may not know the name but in the

◼   ► 1800s was bit of a big deal he came up

◼   ► with this way of taking in the early

◼   ► days of photography of taking multiple

◼   ► pictures very quickly in succession

◼   ► sometimes being tripped by strings and

◼   ► things like that and he used other

◼   ► technology that he pioneered yeah to

◼   ► show things that were happening quickly

◼   ► like a horse running yeah I feel like

◼   ► everybody in the world even if you don't

◼   ► know his name

◼   ► everyone's seen that video clip of like

◼   ► here is the first time we had

◼   ► motion video in a way horse running he's

◼   ► the guy who did that because there was

◼   ► actually a debate whether you know all

◼   ► the horses hooves were off the ground at

◼   ► given time and stuff so he he wanted to

◼   ► break it down he then started filming

◼   ► everything he could use this camera

◼   ► system at so anyway he started taking

◼   ► all these pictures to show animal

◼   ► locomotion and then he also started

◼   ► showing human locomotion so he would

◼   ► show humans doing things like walking

◼   ► and running and using an axe and fencing

◼   ► and wrestling and all these different

◼   ► things so it could be studied in detail

◼   ► and not only was it like you know a lot

◼   ► of scientific breakthroughs were being

◼   ► made this was leading towards obviously

◼   ► movies and moving pictures because

◼   ► you've got this quick see he was like

◼   ► the first slow-mo guy I like to think it

◼   ► was it was in slow-mo they were playing

◼   ► it back in real time well no but like it

◼   ► was using like a high-speed camera to

◼   ► show things that were too fast for the

◼   ► eye to see okay he's kind of doing that

◼   ► same thing you know it was a high frame

◼   ► rate for the time okay

◼   ► all right because we had no frame yeah

◼   ► 12 frames per second it's amazing so you

◼   ► know when he was taking pictures of

◼   ► humans doing stuff they were usually not

◼   ► wearing clothing because you wanted to

◼   ► be able to see you know muscles and the

◼   ► way the leg was moving and the arm was

◼   ► moving and if it was all covered in

◼   ► clothes you wouldn't be seeing it so I

◼   ► uploaded this video all about all these

◼   ► old pictures and what he did and we

◼   ► showed videos of a rah rah rah you can

◼   ► imagine and in the course of the video

◼   ► we showed lots of these pictures we

◼   ► animated some of them to make them into

◼   ► little movies mhm now the video has

◼   ► naked people in it you know we left a

◼   ► lot out that we thought was a little bit

◼   ► maybe a little bit confrontational we

◼   ► haven't got like you know things

◼   ► dangling in people's faces and it's not

◼   ► - you know I thought we were restrained

◼   ► yeah you left out the slo-mo pillow

◼   ► fight that he had filmed as well in the

◼   ► off hours yeah like that stuff wasn't in

◼   ► there was a lot of stuff that maybe

◼   ► could be construed as a bit risque but

◼   ► you know that we didn't use any of that

◼   ► it was just you know it was all pretty

◼   ► normal stuff but there were occasional

◼   ► glimpses of parts of the body here and

◼   ► there but it was I thought it was a wrap

◼   ► the YouTube's automatic system to its

◼   ► credit unless someone flagged it to its

◼   ► credit flags this is inappropriate

◼   ► I disagreed with that I appealed it

◼   ► asking for a manual review the manual

◼   ► review has been conducted and the manual

◼   ► review has come back saying no that's

◼   ► inappropriate so as it stands now the

◼   ► video is unavailable for monetization

◼   ► objectivity videos aren't massively

◼   ► watched so like this is not costing me

◼   ► an amount of money that concerns me but

◼   ► I am concerned about like the bigger

◼   ► issue not like you know I'm a campaigner

◼   ► I'm gonna change the world kind of way

◼   ► but I do think it speaks to a bigger

◼   ► issue about like art and showing things

◼   ► and what's right and what's wrong and

◼   ► what's suitable and not suitable you

◼   ► have watch the video have you or yeah no

◼   ► I watch the video alright tell me your

◼   ► thoughts well first of all I recommend

◼   ► everybody watch it cuz it was just

◼   ► interesting to see I didn't know the

◼   ► extra detail is about this work somehow

◼   ► assume that the horse thing was like

◼   ► one-off and seeing the animated early

◼   ► videos of human motion was really

◼   ► interesting I just genuinely liked it as

◼   ► an objectivity video thank you but I was

◼   ► watching this video and my perspective

◼   ► on it was you selected video like so

◼   ► when people hear you describe it right

◼   ► you listener like whatever is in your

◼   ► head when Brady just described the video

◼   ► I can guarantee you what's in your head

◼   ► is ten times more explicit than what is

◼   ► in the actual video imagine a man

◼   ► walking in a low-resolution image who's

◼   ► walking sideways across the camera with

◼   ► extraordinarily convenient leg placement

◼   ► 95% of the time that's what's in the

◼   ► video the level of nudity for the parts

◼   ► that people care about is so trivial in

◼   ► this video now when you say it was

◼   ► flagged immediately that I'm not

◼   ► surprised because from talking to people

◼   ► who would know about these things

◼   ► my understanding is that if there is one

◼   ► thing that the army of artificial

◼   ► intelligence bots at YouTube are

◼   ► extraordinarily good at recognizing it's

◼   ► naked people know that this is a thing

◼   ► that the AIS have been trained on and

◼   ► they can spot very reliably very

◼   ► immediately

◼   ► they have high-class Willie recognition

◼   ► exactly right and this is to YouTube's

◼   ► total credit like I have in my whole

◼   ► life I think never ever seen anything

◼   ► that remotely is pornography on the

◼   ► channel right like they are deadly

◼   ► serious and it's a relatively

◼   ► straightforward thing for the system to

◼   ► try to automatically flag as people

◼   ► without clothing so I'm not surprised it

◼   ► was caught instantly in the trap yeah

◼   ► but I really think this is a very

◼   ► interesting case that if this was

◼   ► manually reviewed by an actual human I'm

◼   ► gonna say I think this is kind of

◼   ► outrageous to be classified as a video

◼   ► that cannot be monetized I really think

◼   ► this is like if you had a video where

◼   ► you showed the Statue of David yeah

◼   ► there's something about this that really

◼   ► bothers me right where it's like artwork

◼   ► or anything of scientific value is so

◼   ► far on the one end of this extreme that

◼   ► is like if we can't agree that this is

◼   ► acceptable I feel like all hope is lost

◼   ► if this is not acceptable I feel like

◼   ► we've fallen into some kind of crazy

◼   ► land where you can never know who knows

◼   ► what's acceptable now I find it

◼   ► genuinely upsetting that this has been

◼   ► again if it was a human that this is the

◼   ► verdict that has come down on this okay

◼   ► just very quickly on that if it's not a

◼   ► human that's even worse because that

◼   ► they make it absolutely clear you have

◼   ► no right to appeal there's nothing that

◼   ► can be done about it the judge's

◼   ► decision is final so if I've been turned

◼   ► down by AI twice mm-hmm and no

◼   ► correspondence will be entered into then

◼   ► that is a little bit unfair but yeah we

◼   ► don't know we don't know if it's a human

◼   ► or not so we don't know I just say if

◼   ► it's a human because I have some very

◼   ► strong suspicions that at least some

◼   ► portion of those manual reviews are not

◼   ► actually going to a human that there's a

◼   ► bot that's doing the first pass and

◼   ► maybe it gets kicked up to a human maybe

◼   ► it doesn't I don't have anything to

◼   ► prove that but I just have a suspicion

◼   ► that maybe that's partly the case yeah

◼   ► anyway on the broader issue I'm the

◼   ► first to admit if you pardon the pun

◼   ► that I have skin in the game here so I

◼   ► will

◼   ► from the start that okay I'm a bit

◼   ► biased but I also think it's a little

◼   ► unfair I will say I do recognize that

◼   ► Statue of David numerous famous

◼   ► paintings you could mention venus de

◼   ► milo all these things and not

◼   ► photographs they're artworks but i mean

◼   ► these things i was using a very old from

◼   ► the 1800s black-and-white grainy

◼   ► pictures that are really historically

◼   ► significant

◼   ► it was the pioneering images that led to

◼   ► cinema it was really scientifically

◼   ► significant work like this is like

◼   ► important stuff in art and science right

◼   ► it is in no way sexual or sexually

◼   ► suggestive and that's what the youtubes

◼   ► terms talk about they don't talk about

◼   ► nudity as much as things that are you

◼   ► know sexually suggestive these are in

◼   ► roadway sexual and in kind of my like

◼   ► amusement I went and had a look and

◼   ► Google's own YouTube channel for art and

◼   ► culture has numerous videos that show

◼   ► naked bits of art interesting they even

◼   ► have one where like it's popping up in

◼   ► front of a little kid and the little

◼   ► kids giggling although isn't that funny

◼   ► because you know the person's not

◼   ► wearing clothes and they have one way

◼   ► that they could person's on like an iPad

◼   ► screen and the kids like you know

◼   ► manipulating it to zoom in and look at

◼   ► it and things like that

◼   ► like on their own channel they're quite

◼   ► comfortable with nude art mm-hmm so I do

◼   ► know the difference between photos and

◼   ► art but if that's the defense which I

◼   ► don't know what the defense is because I

◼   ► haven't heard anything it doesn't wash

◼   ► with me and what do I have to do now

◼   ► should I have uploaded that video with

◼   ► big you know black boxes over the top

◼   ► supposed to do that kind of stuff drives

◼   ► me even more crazy that would make me

◼   ► look stupid

◼   ► that would make everyone look stupid and

◼   ► it makes everyone look stupid and it

◼   ► also falls again into my very strong

◼   ► feelings about this that like when you

◼   ► go crazy about the prohibition of a

◼   ► thing whatever that thing is is like

◼   ► guess what you're the one who's making

◼   ► it powerful or you're making it into a

◼   ► thing that it isn't and so that's why

◼   ► it's like if you start putting black

◼   ► bars over like as we're had

◼   ► this discussion I have on screen in

◼   ► front of me probably the most in quotes

◼   ► suggestive part which is a 135 where you

◼   ► have the three film strips of the man

◼   ► walking to the side the man walking

◼   ► front and the man walking back you have

◼   ► this blown up on a 27-inch screen that's

◼   ► two feet from my face at HD resolution

◼   ► right but of course I'm looking at a

◼   ► thing that's from the 1800s

◼   ► that's filmed at an angle there's not

◼   ► four pixels of detail in this image here

◼   ► to put a black bar over it is like a

◼   ► mockery it's like what are you hiding

◼   ► all that black bar is doing is like oh

◼   ► right this is the black bar of shame

◼   ► right because this is the thing that can

◼   ► never be seen putting black bars on it

◼   ► would sexualize err you don't get a

◼   ► picture of Michelangelo's David and you

◼   ► think that's a nice sculpture you put a

◼   ► big black bar over his private parts and

◼   ► suddenly it seems more sexual yeah it

◼   ► totally does there was a meme a few

◼   ► years ago which was fantastic where

◼   ► people were pixel izing parts of

◼   ► innocuous photos and it's amazing how

◼   ► sexually suggestive you can make a

◼   ► totally normal photo by very strategic

◼   ► pixelization of particular moments so

◼   ► the mean was you sure like the before

◼   ► and after like with the pixelization or

◼   ► without there's another meme which is

◼   ► about like seeing the nudity and it's it

◼   ► works surprisingly well were you take a

◼   ► photograph of a fully clothed person and

◼   ► you just put transparent circles on that

◼   ► photograph in strategic spots and it's

◼   ► so crazy but like your brain sort of

◼   ► fills in what the person looked like

◼   ► this kind of censorship I legitimately

◼   ► think makes it more of what it isn't it

◼   ► would be crazy for you to put black bars

◼   ► on this video it would 100% achieve the

◼   ► exact opposite purpose and make the very

◼   ► thing that isn't something into

◼   ► something so yeah it's so frustrating

◼   ► it's absolutely frustrating I'll just

◼   ► send you a tweet I did yesterday you

◼   ► know just as an another case in point I

◼   ► got a couple of famous cultural images

◼   ► yep perfect

◼   ► so Brady's just sent me his tweet with

◼   ► Leonardo da Vinci

◼   ► famous man in the circle right with the

◼   ► black bar a strategically placed and the

◼   ► Venus de Milo with a bar across her

◼   ► chest

◼   ► oh yeah unambiguously the bar makes the

◼   ► images worse than they are without the

◼   ► bar it's the thin end of a wedge isn't

◼   ► it in terms of culture and history and

◼   ► that when we start having to push this

◼   ► stuff aside because we want to cater to

◼   ► advertisers who they think might be

◼   ► sensitive I'd be surprised if any

◼   ► advertisers were sensitive about this

◼   ► video by the way because what they're

◼   ► going to do in the long run I mean

◼   ► they're not going to change me but in

◼   ► the long run people are going to stop

◼   ► making the videos about certain subjects

◼   ► because they can't monetize them and

◼   ► then those subjects just fade out of

◼   ► existence you know is there a whole

◼   ► generation in period in art history that

◼   ► is going to be disproportionately less

◼   ► covered on YouTube because people can't

◼   ► show the paintings yeah I mean we've

◼   ► sort of skirted around this issue a

◼   ► couple of times on the show but this is

◼   ► why I think it's always dangerous to get

◼   ► into the content filtering game yeah I

◼   ► feel like all platforms should stay as

◼   ► far away from this as they possibly can

◼   ► because it is the thin end of the wedge

◼   ► there's no winning even if you think

◼   ► you're doing the right thing is like

◼   ► this is a perfect case like would any

◼   ► advertiser in the world actually care

◼   ► about this no but I know for a fact that

◼   ► this kind of D monetization does have a

◼   ► chilling effect on the kinds of content

◼   ► that people produce for the platform

◼   ► we've said it before but I think YouTube

◼   ► and platforms like it are big enough

◼   ► that I don't think you can play the oh

◼   ► it's just a company card anymore I think

◼   ► at a certain point it becomes so vital

◼   ► for speech that this kind of stuff

◼   ► really matters and this objectivity

◼   ► video is just like a perfect example

◼   ► because you have everything going for

◼   ► you like it's historically significant

◼   ► it's barely visible is the most

◼   ► innocuous video imaginable and if this

◼   ► can't get through the filter like what

◼   ► hope is there for anything that is

◼   ► remotely near and interesting

◼   ► edge there's no hope at all for that

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◼   ► great you have been a school student and

◼   ► you also have been a school teacher tell

◼   ► me what comes into your head or your

◼   ► memories or how you feel or what you

◼   ► think when I say to you school photos or

◼   ► class photos what emotion does this

◼   ► bring out in you what do you mean like

◼   ► you know like in a yearbook

◼   ► well did you presumably when you're at

◼   ► school like once a year would you have a

◼   ► photo taken of the whole class that

◼   ► would go into like yeah a yearbook or

◼   ► and your parents could buy one and would

◼   ► they take a loved one one of you on your

◼   ► own as well each year school look here's

◼   ► CGP grey when he was in year 2 and here

◼   ► he is in year 3 here his class photos

◼   ► all through the years school photos I

◼   ► haven't thought about this in forever

◼   ► this is something that maybe in another

◼   ► five years would have totally passed out

◼   ► of my mind but yes I'm glad I saved it

◼   ► oh right these are some neural pathways

◼   ► left untouched for a very long period of

◼   ► time well they can be quite damaging

◼   ► memories too like maybe you have

◼   ► repressed memories thing the one kid in

◼   ► the class photo who like has his or her

◼   ► eyes shut that sticks with you for years

◼   ► I mean I'll take your word for it

◼   ► but none of my memories are surfacing

◼   ► that piece of information

◼   ► you obviously have good photo face I'm

◼   ► terrible at having my photo taken is

◼   ► that what we're going to have here is

◼   ► Brady therapy corner for your old school

◼   ► photos well maybe it is I don't know let

◼   ► me tell you what's got me thinking about

◼   ► this let me send you a photo okay

◼   ► unfortunately I can't share this with

◼   ► the collective because it's a it

◼   ► involves a whole bunch of people whose

◼   ► permission we don't have right but this

◼   ► is the class photo of my nephew so my

◼   ► sister sent it to me and said have a

◼   ► look at the cute class photo this is not

◼   ► how I remember class photos looking but

◼   ► you know we live in a new age now whoa

◼   ► what what what it no this is weird this

◼   ► is not a class photo what do you think

◼   ► of that okay let me just set the

◼   ► vacation so in my head need class photo

◼   ► is

◼   ► is

◼   ► is you shuffle everybody down to the gym

◼   ► yeah and you're sitting on the bleachers

◼   ► so there's some height difference

◼   ► between everybody yeah maybe there's

◼   ► like a little plaque in the front where

◼   ► someone has put the words on that says

◼   ► what this is a photo of yeah and that's

◼   ► where you take the picture Jones Smith

◼   ► high schoo year three yeah

◼   ► 1987 yeah you want to be real fancy you

◼   ► go outside into the bleachers so there's

◼   ► trees in the background that's wow you

◼   ► had some nice ones right I went to a

◼   ► very posh school would us be like the

◼   ► whole year level it would be broken into

◼   ► classes in homeroom so it's like groups

◼   ► of 30 or were you like a group of like a

◼   ► hundred or something like my rusty

◼   ► memories are that it like in primary

◼   ► school it was just the class yeah and

◼   ► that in high school they shuffled

◼   ► everybody out onto the bleachers yeah

◼   ► the whole bunch think but I could be

◼   ► wrong about that so explain this one

◼   ► that I sent to you I think most people

◼   ► have that image in their head hopefully

◼   ► that we've always done insane this is my

◼   ► nephew this is the new generation of

◼   ► class photos how would you describe this

◼   ► one okay well just like with movies I

◼   ► know you want my opinion at first I'm

◼   ► gonna give this class photo a thumbs

◼   ► down it's really weird

◼   ► and what makes it weird is okay so

◼   ► instead of the kids sitting in the

◼   ► bleachers they are all standing in a

◼   ► line next to each other so that it's

◼   ► just all of the kids in a big row facing

◼   ► the camera facing the camera facing wide

◼   ► like a panorama shot isn't it yeah it's

◼   ► I give you were there with your iPhone

◼   ► you would need to put it into panorama

◼   ► mode to take this picture

◼   ► yeah the background is an empty void of

◼   ► nothing it's just a pure white

◼   ► background which makes me wonder like

◼   ► was that they roll out the like the

◼   ► green screen for this this photograph it

◼   ► kind of looks like it is a clothing

◼   ► catalog for the uniform that these kids

◼   ► are wearing yeah like if I didn't know

◼   ► any better I would almost assume this

◼   ► was an advertisement in a magazine

◼   ► that's like hey look at these uniforms

◼   ► for these kids the kids are they're not

◼   ► just standing in a line all looking at

◼   ► the camera they look very posed and it

◼   ► looked very posed like it's and magazine

◼   ► was like oh here's a kid and the kids on

◼   ► either side have who were taller had

◼   ► their hands on his shoulder right Simon

◼   ► got their arms crossed and some have got

◼   ► like sassy poses with a hand on their on

◼   ► their hips yes I'm looking at a couple

◼   ► of the girls have like the very standard

◼   ► photo pose of hands on hips like one

◼   ► knee a little bit forward

◼   ► it looks really strange I have this

◼   ► feeling like a like again a kind of meme

◼   ► that you see sometimes on the Internet

◼   ► is where if you look in a catalog

◼   ► someone will sometimes post these images

◼   ► where you can see that the person doing

◼   ► the Photoshop job has messed up and

◼   ► there's an extra hand where a hand

◼   ► shouldn't be because someone was

◼   ► photoshopped out of the scene right or

◼   ► there's like something's really weird

◼   ► that you don't notice at first and this

◼   ► photo feels like I wouldn't be surprised

◼   ► to learn this is actually a composite

◼   ► photo of a bunch of shots gray it

◼   ► totally is they were photographed as

◼   ► like in twos or threes right okay

◼   ► separately and then they were all put

◼   ► together afterwards into this big long

◼   ► line yeah there's one that has like it's

◼   ► like a seam yeah it looks strange it's

◼   ► the one mistake they made the rest of it

◼   ► was actually done pretty well but I'm a

◼   ► little bit mortified by this I have some

◼   ► feelings about it but tell me why are

◼   ► you mortified I know I'm like old

◼   ► fashioned right and we live in this

◼   ► digital age but there are a few things

◼   ► about doing class photos so digitally

◼   ► and I've seen this a lot lately class

◼   ► photos now are amazing they're like

◼   ► they're so different to what they used

◼   ► to be they're like portraits one of my

◼   ► other nephews I saw his class photos the

◼   ► other day and it was like a photo shoot

◼   ► from another world with all that lovely

◼   ► bakker and you know everything's all

◼   ► amazing and there's like these candid

◼   ► poses rhinorrhea one thing which was in

◼   ► my old high school yearbook like the

◼   ► photographer came to the school and did

◼   ► the did the photo shoots and said

◼   ► everybody looks the same yeah but one of

◼   ► the girls her father worked in the

◼   ► fashion industry and like she had a

◼   ► photo that stood out right as as

◼   ► noticeably different because it was just

◼   ► crazy professional I do is never being

◼   ► like I was that kid I don't think I

◼   ► would want this so when you say that

◼   ► they look different I can easily imagine

◼   ► what you're talking about I don't know

◼   ► if there was just of rites of passage

◼   ► thing about class photos that I don't

◼   ► know it felt like it gave me life

◼   ► lessons and it was character building

◼   ► and I feel like that's all been taken

◼   ► away for example in the old days of

◼   ► photos when they didn't have you know

◼   ► digital cameras and we all lined up and

◼   ► had our individual photos taken it was

◼   ► like your one charts that would go bang

◼   ► and then you wouldn't say anything think

◼   ► weeks and six weeks later you'd be given

◼   ► like these envelopes to take home for

◼   ► your parents where they would say do you

◼   ► want to buy some of these I'm the kid

◼   ► and like if your eyes were shut or you'd

◼   ► go to prom or something like you'd blown

◼   ► your chance I had one chance and like

◼   ► you didn't know if you'd done it or not

◼   ► and that teaches you a lot about life

◼   ► like surreptitiously because laughs like

◼   ► that sometimes you know you had your one

◼   ► chance and don't blow it kid

◼   ► that's the lesson you should learn in

◼   ► life it's kind of like but now it's like

◼   ► let's take a thousand until we get it

◼   ► perfect and and it's the same with the

◼   ► class photo you know be having someone

◼   ► who has their eyes share in the photo I

◼   ► mean that doesn't happen now because

◼   ► they do them all separately that's why

◼   ► they're doing this so that no kid is

◼   ► gonna have a stinker because if you put

◼   ► twenty kids in a line you have to take a

◼   ► thousand photos until you get the one

◼   ► you need but here you're taking away

◼   ► that problem by just doing them in pairs

◼   ► making sure everyone's eyes are open and

◼   ► things like that and like so it's just

◼   ► taking away that kind of randomness and

◼   ► it's also taking away like the

◼   ► camaraderie of a class photo it was the

◼   ► one time you're all together and you be

◼   ► all lined up by height and you'd learn

◼   ► how tall you all were in relation to

◼   ► each other and you'd secretly be hoping

◼   ► that you'd end up in the photo somewhere

◼   ► close to like the girl you had a crush

◼   ► on or something and there's so much

◼   ► going on in the class photo and it was

◼   ► just all character building stuff and

◼   ► then you try to get bunny ears on the

◼   ► kid who's in front of you yeah and then

◼   ► you get to take a funny one at the end

◼   ► if you're like in the older kids like

◼   ► it's your final year school you'd say

◼   ► can we do a funny one where you all do a

◼   ► crazy pose and they'll take one of those

◼   ► and also like I don't know if it was

◼   ► just made me or not I've told people

◼   ► about this and they say it is just me

◼   ► but I never knew what day the school

◼   ► photos were gonna be and you just turn

◼   ► up one day and like the photograph

◼   ► company is there having taken over the

◼   ► gymnasium or something and it's like I'm

◼   ► a goodness at school photo day you know

◼   ► what a surprise and it's a big part of

◼   ► most memories of school and these photos

◼   ► become a big part of your life and you

◼   ► know you look back at your old school

◼   ► photos occasionally so I don't know this

◼   ► is a case where I think the digital path

◼   ► is getting rid of some problems but it's

◼   ► also taking away a lot of charm and a

◼   ► lot of character building and a lot of I

◼   ► don't know maybe I'm just overly

◼   ► sentimental I mean look I'm very happy

◼   ► to be the first one in the pylon of

◼   ► Brady is too sentimental I got my front

◼   ► row ticket to that party but like I am

◼   ► totally with you on this school

◼   ► photo thing great auks oh sorry one

◼   ► other point I didn't make it also like

◼   ► is instilling in a really interesting

◼   ► lesson about fakery because this photo

◼   ► is designed to look like they're all

◼   ► together at once these kids know they

◼   ► weren't riously because that incident

◼   ► never happened that's a moment in

◼   ► history that never happened that they've

◼   ► all now got as a keepsake for all time

◼   ► and it's just instilling at an early age

◼   ► that nothing is real yeah I mean maybe

◼   ► to be devil's advocate for a moment

◼   ► that's the most important lesson that

◼   ► you can teach children these days kids

◼   ► you live in a world where you can trust

◼   ► nothing that you see yeah okay they did

◼   ► the reverse is also true

◼   ► it also instills early on that nothing

◼   ► has to be real we'll fix it all in the

◼   ► Edit everything can be fixed in the Edit

◼   ► we'll fix it all in the edit but I don't

◼   ► like it because I said if you were going

◼   ► to take a picture of this with your

◼   ► iPhone you need to take it like a

◼   ► panorama but the thing that's that's

◼   ► weird isn't like in a panorama everybody

◼   ► would be at a different angle all right

◼   ► like you would be rotating the camera

◼   ► and so not all of the kids would be the

◼   ► exact same distance from the camera and

◼   ► in this photo it's like oh right of

◼   ► course all of these kids are looking

◼   ► straight ahead into a camera but there's

◼   ► a line of 20 of them side by side so

◼   ► there is no place you could put the

◼   ► camera to actually get this photo the

◼   ► way it looks with all of them standing

◼   ► in a straight line except a mile away

◼   ► with a telephoto zoom at an infinite

◼   ► distance you could capture this

◼   ► photograph right and since it seems like

◼   ► they're standing in a Euclidean fantasy

◼   ► land right where there's just infinite

◼   ► nothing in all direction maybe that's

◼   ► where this photograph was actually taken

◼   ► but this is a case where psych I'm all

◼   ► fine with digital stuff but if you're

◼   ► doing the digital stuff it has to look

◼   ► right this just looks terrible my big

◼   ► vote for why were school photograph days

◼   ► great is not for lessons learned or any

◼   ► of that sentimentality stuff my

◼   ► perspective on it was just oh thank god

◼   ► it's a day that's different

◼   ► it's a different day at the school we're

◼   ► not going through the same routine you

◼   ► would hope that it would land

◼   ► someday with the extra boring classes

◼   ► that you don't like and I feel like poor

◼   ► kids the school routine it's you know

◼   ► it's the same thing day in day out and

◼   ► any chance you can get to like go

◼   ► outside and sit in the bleachers that's

◼   ► way better whereas I can already see

◼   ► that from a school perspective they sure

◼   ► would love this because it can also be

◼   ► much less disruptive right you can just

◼   ► catch some kids whenever they're

◼   ► available you don't necessarily have to

◼   ► mess up the whole schedule take them out

◼   ► two or three at a time yeah this modern

◼   ► world Brady you know can I tell you one

◼   ► of my journalistic war stories that just

◼   ► came into my head please please do so

◼   ► back in the newspaper days when

◼   ► photoshopping was like a high-tech like

◼   ► normal people couldn't do it this was

◼   ► many many moons ago like analogue

◼   ► photoshopping is that the kind of stuff

◼   ► word document I don't know what we're

◼   ► exactly the technology was at but sort

◼   ► of certainly this story will give you an

◼   ► idea where the technology was at because

◼   ► my beat was covering like the City

◼   ► Council and I'd done it for a while and

◼   ► I had really good context and I was a

◼   ► really good mischief maker my favorite

◼   ► stories weren't like you know the

◼   ► important stuff that was being done in

◼   ► the council it was like making mischief

◼   ► as my specialty mm-hm and I knew the

◼   ► council was having like their official

◼   ► portrait taken this was the 20 members

◼   ► of the City Council whoever they the

◼   ► elected members I can't remember how

◼   ► many there were and they were having

◼   ► their equivalent of a class photo done

◼   ► and they were wearing all the official

◼   ► regalia all the formal robes of the City

◼   ► Council and the traditional stuff and it

◼   ► was being done in the council chamber

◼   ► which is a lovely ornate room where they

◼   ► would have their meetings but the doors

◼   ► were locked and I wasn't allowed in

◼   ► which made me suspicious but anyway I

◼   ► wandered by and I looked through the

◼   ► keyhole at one point and I saw them all

◼   ► in their robes and getting ready and

◼   ► standing in lions to have their photo

◼   ► taken they were doing it the

◼   ► old-fashioned way with you know short

◼   ► people at the front tall people in the

◼   ► second row mm-hm and one of like the

◼   ► council officials like one of like the

◼   ► PR people who was not a councillor he

◼   ► was just like a lackey a staff member

◼   ► was wearing all the regalia and the

◼   ► robes and I was so confused but an

◼   ► unlearning oven and then the next day I

◼   ► was talking to one of the other

◼   ► counselors and I said I was looking

◼   ► through the keyhole and I saw what's his

◼   ► chops wearing the robes what the heck

◼   ► was that all about and she said oh look

◼   ► I'm not supposed to tell you but I will

◼   ► because there were such gossips

◼   ► so and so the counselor couldn't be

◼   ► there because he was sick so they got

◼   ► this person to stand in the photo and

◼   ► then they used modern technology to put

◼   ► that person's head on the photo mm-hmm

◼   ► and I was like no way

◼   ► so like a couple of days later when the

◼   ► official photo got released to the press

◼   ► you know here's the council photo which

◼   ► is something we'd normally would have

◼   ► just ignored cuz who cares

◼   ► mm-hmm either cold the council and ask

◼   ► for an official statement about whether

◼   ► councillor Jones or whatever who's in

◼   ► the photo it was that really him so they

◼   ► had to like fess up that it wasn't and

◼   ► that was such an unusual thing to happen

◼   ► and it was considered like so scandalous

◼   ► that it became it was like page 3 or

◼   ► page 5 or the paper or something one of

◼   ► these counselors is not really there

◼   ► it's a you know it's a pretend photo it

◼   ► wasn't like a scandal like the count you

◼   ► know people should be sacked but it was

◼   ► like funny and embarrassing for them and

◼   ► it was a big thing yeah but now you

◼   ► think nothing of it you know school

◼   ► photos are Photoshop but back then

◼   ► having like someone's head put onto

◼   ► another body for the official portrait

◼   ► you know what I still think that's wrong

◼   ► to this day look at you Brady rustling

◼   ► up trouble where there's no trouble at

◼   ► all trying to kick up a scandal for some

◼   ► poor guy probably staying at home

◼   ► because he's sick no I took this day I

◼   ► think it's wrong when you go through the

◼   ► holes of City Council and you look at

◼   ► all those portraits over the year the

◼   ► photos of all the previous councils

◼   ► knowing that photos not a real photo and

◼   ► they all weren't there in one place it's

◼   ► wrong it's wrong it's not a document of

◼   ► a moment they were all together that's

◼   ► what bothers me photographs are

◼   ► sometimes documents of amazing times in

◼   ► history when you know you look at those

◼   ► photos where like you see all these

◼   ► famous scientists in one photo like

◼   ► Einstein and Niels Bohr and yeah and I

◼   ► know the exactly what you're thinking of

◼   ► yeah it leaps right to my head yeah

◼   ► imagine if you found out actually two of

◼   ► those people weren't there and they just

◼   ► put their heads on later the thing

◼   ► that's special about that photo is they

◼   ► were all in one place at one time yeah

◼   ► and it's the same with a school photo

◼   ► this thing about a school photo is they

◼   ► were all there if you were sick on

◼   ► school photo day back in my day you

◼   ► weren't in the school photo absent you

◼   ► know tuflow jones you've been erased

◼   ► from history and again that's a life

◼   ► lesson if you're not there you're not

◼   ► there but these days there's no lesson

◼   ► like that these days if you're not there

◼   ► we'll just put you there later

◼   ► that's not how life works but maybe it

◼   ► is Brady its how it works now gray it's

◼   ► plane crash corner time it'll be a quick

◼   ► one there's just been so much happening

◼   ► this car is bursting at the seams I feel

◼   ► like you're already contradicting