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fun fact listeners Syracuse is a much
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funnier person than you would ever
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expect like you hear bits of that on the
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show but born to laughing at me way than
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a laughing no that's not true
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that's not try really like but no really
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it he is way funnier in person when when
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not performing as you have as we are all
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doing that you trying to say I'm not
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funny on the podcast he's way funnier
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than he is in his podcast it's not what
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I was going for but if you wanna I'm too
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tired to argue with you so yes let's
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start as we have to do with follow up TV
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OS 11.2 beta is out tell me about the
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output format switching mr. siracusa if
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you please not only is it out but I
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actually got the the update I don't know
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what caused me to get it but I check for
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updates in there it was and I was very
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excited so I immediately went into that
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settings screen that lets you say match
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source format framerate or whatever and
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then the HDR one does not apply to me so
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I couldn't just try that one and then I
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played a movie and my television
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switched to what it displays as 24 Hertz
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but isn't really true because I'm pretty
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sure it's in some multiple that refresh
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rate but anyway it works it really
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really works ray of course with the
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movie I tried it with was a movie I
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purchased on iTunes so I was using
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Apple's built-in movie app which I
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assumed would have been updated to news
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the new api's and I guess it has been I
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haven't had time to try it with Plex and
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infused and all the other things because
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I just assumed they would not have had
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time to update but I'm just gonna wait
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until 11.2 is out and try them as well
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so I'm happy about this and I'm one step
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closer to the probably terrible mistake
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of losslessly ripping all of my blu-rays
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so that I can watch them on demand
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without touching a blu-ray disc at full
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quality but we'll see how that goes and
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one additional note from this Joe
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rosensteil has confirmed confirmed a
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while ago and now is in the process of
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complaining and finally radars with
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Apple about the fact that the previous
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generation Apple TV then not 4k Apple TV
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doesn't get these features
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whomp-whomp for me and also it doesn't
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apparently get a manual 24 frames per
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second option and like I said a couple
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shows ago I don't get a manual 24 frames
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per second naturally either in earlier
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versions of TV os even though my
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television supports it but anyway all
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these features are just for the fancy
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new Apple TV 4k I don't think that's
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unreasonable well it's the Apple way to
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do things like why I keep supporting the
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old thing right although as Todd busy
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RIA unfortunately found out they still
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sell the old one because he went to he
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was trying to order an Apple TV 4k and
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they didn't have any in stock so he went
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to the store and bought one he got a
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different size he would want to get the
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big one I think what he got the small
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one and brought it home only to find
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that he just purchased the previous
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generation Apple TV which looks very
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much the same if you're not very careful
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to look at the box and make sure it says
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Apple TV 4k on it so that's a shame and
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they course they continue to sell the
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other one because it hits a price point
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but they're not gonna support it with
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the latest version they've CEOs in the
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same way like maybe the technical reason
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I can't really think of one but it's
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conceivable there's some unknown
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technical reason why they can't do the
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switching but that's that's crappy they
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also in the most Tim Cook move ever
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didn't even lower the price of the now
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two year old one when they brought out
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the new you know the currency they have
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it to hit a price point but it's a very
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not competitive price point great new
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minds what plus you've got inflation
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right so it was a long time ago so
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money's worth less now all right and
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then tell me about AP FS snapshots as
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used by Time Machine and software update
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if you please there were a couple of
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articles about this but eventually they
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could all be traced back to a handy tech
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note thing on Apple's own site to
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explain how cool a PFS snapshots are
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being used by Apple's software at the
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very least so Time Machine is using them
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I'm assuming I don't know if this
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article says it but I'm assuming the
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obvious thing to do is take a snapshot
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and then do a Time Machine backup from
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that snapshot so you don't get the weird
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thing they used to get where a Time
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Machine backups takes a half an hour to
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run and files that are copied to the
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beginning of the backup are 30 min
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newer than files that are copied at the
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end and you sort of get this weird image
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of the disc that is like it's like a
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rolling shutter on a phone right it's
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like a rolling back up like I'll start
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backing up and while I'm backing up
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you're continuing to use your computer
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but if I already backed up the file you
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modify it I'll get it in the next backup
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it's weird snapshots you'd have to do
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that you can say shrink point-in-time
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snapshot that's what I'm gonna back up
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from that's exactly what this disk looks
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like at a particular point in time and
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it will back up from that but
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additionally time machine takes
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snapshots every 24 hours while your
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computer is turned on and it takes a
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snapshot every week as well and the
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remember of snapshots are just like a
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point in time on your disk it's not it's
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not a backup to your time machine in
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volume it's just snapshots of your
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regular disk as it was and those are
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convenient for like let me reach you can
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you know run time machine even if you've
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never had your time machine disk like
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your external time machine disk attached
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to your computer for a long time you can
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still use time machine to recover things
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from the local disk that were part of
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those snapshots and I heard some report
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someone saying I deleted a bunch of
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stuff on my free disk space didn't go
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down it really depends on how they were
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checking their free disk space because
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if you were checking it at the lowest
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level that would be true because if you
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make a snapshot and that snapshot
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includes like a 4 gig file then you
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delete that 4 gig file you don't get
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that space back because that snapshot is
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still holding on to those 4 gigs so that
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you could if you wanted to recover that
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file from the snapshot or whatever with
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time machine so that's a case where if
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you were getting your disc free disk
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space the lowest level you would see
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that I deleted this file why don't I get
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the free space back but this tech note
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has a thing at the end it says basically
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you know are you worried about these
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snapshots eating a disc case don't worry
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because if we the operating system need
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you know storage space gets low which is
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what the tech note says snapshots are
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automatically deleted starting with the
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oldest and I'm quoting right girthy from
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the document now that's why I find her
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and get info windows don't include local
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snapshots in their calculations of the
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storage space available on disk so yet
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another complication as foretold in many
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past episodes of how a BFS was going to
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make it much more complicated to even
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display things like free space having to
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do a bunch of math and subtract out the
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space taken by snapshots and all the
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other stuff so they just lie to you and
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say oh yeah no we freed up at search but
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they didn't they didn't
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hurry it up unless you need more disk
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space unless you really really need it
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it won't delete the snapshots until
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eating shop such as easy so I like ice
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to delete a bunch of files it just says
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okay forget about that snapshot all
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those discs all those blocks that were
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part of that snapshot that are not part
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of any other snapshot are now free so
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it's the magic of AP FS and I final note
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on this this tech note which I think
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everyone should read is it has it is
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forced to explain the horrendous UI of
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Time Machine
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specifically the weird timeline
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scrolling thing on the right with like
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that like is it a little zooming
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timeline some poor tech writer had to
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had to write out if you have one of
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these versions the operating systems a
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bright red tech more tick mark means
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this a dimmed red tick mark means that
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if you have a different version the
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operating system a great tick mark means
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this a bright pink tick mark means this
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and a dim it pink tick mark means this
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word these are these colors are very
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similar to that having I would never
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have guessed all this stuff how you use
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the interface many many times and
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there's not a lot of text it's like time
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machine good technology even though they
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got rid of the swirling vortex which I
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would argue is the best part of this
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interface they got rid of that right
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though it's not like ably frivolous but
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the rest of the UI is not it's not great
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I don't know what these colors mean I've
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read this tech note I'm never gonna
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remember this I don't know what dimmed
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pink means what what is bright pink and
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dimmed pink it's if you only have dimmed
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pink how can you help them think and
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it's not bright pink unless you have a
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bright pink to compare it to this is a
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bad interface Apple please work on this
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oh wow how do you really feel John back
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this time this is a time machine who's
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just one of the many things that like as
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we have gotten you know the transition
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of the whole world and all that balls
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focused to iOS it's one of the many
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things on Mac OS I look at and it's I'm
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just kind of sad that like if Mac OS was
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was still getting seemingly meaningful
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effort put into it this could be so much
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more by now like this this could be so
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much better but it just seems like most
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of Mac OS is not only in maintenance
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mode but seems to have the B team
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working on it and it's just it makes me
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sad and it's a little bit buggy too like
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I spent time in the interface trying to
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find things and sometimes it does weird
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stuff and you just just shake
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didn't try it for a second time and it
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usually works a second time who knows
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why it didn't work the first like
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there's a lot of cool tech under there
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and you could build lots of interesting
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new eyes on top of it and the initial UI
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was fun and cool and interesting and had
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good ideas behind it simplified it but
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the the way it's evolved our weather
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hasn't evolved is kind of depressing
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well one more minor part in this they do
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take snapshots before software updates
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as well I don't know if they do anything
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with that like I don't know if is it if
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there's any actual feature that says you
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don't like the software update you did
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don't worry we took a whole snapshot of
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your disk and you can roll back to it
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three of our hearts we tend to sponsor
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cities and they need a whole pile of
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of thing is not cheap so we will put a
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they are only about a little under
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hint hint hint hint so app camp is a
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the kind of apps that mark when I create
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these young girls to use pearl because
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in the show notes and send them any of
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your money even a dollar would help and
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it would mean a lot to all three of us
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let's see right I always absent pearl
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makes it work that's that's how it is
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around our house we also give them as
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about ask ATP Nathan Wallace writes in
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now that you have iPhones 10 in hand is
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it iPhones 10 I know that's the way they
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usually do a cut no it's iPhone 10s
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exactly I just know that the Apple
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guidance is always so bananas anyway now
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that you have iPhones 10 in hand are you
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using or wanting to use a case with it
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which cases are you using things I'll
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start off if you recall my iPhone 7 was
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the first phone in a long time that I
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had naked and I paid the price because I
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dropped it on the pavement and shattered
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my first screen luckily I had Apple care
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and so that was taken care of and then I
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quickly scratched the screen within
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about two weeks of getting it replaced
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which is delightful anyway for the
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iPhone 10 it's apparently I don't recall
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if we talked about this last episode of
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a pair it's like $200 or something like
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that to do a front screen replacement
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and something like $500 to do a back
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glass replacement yes I mean we didn't
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talk about it you're very tired yeah but
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anyway so the point is that it's
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extremely expensive to replace anything
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on this phone I personally have not
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ordered Apple care for my phone I've
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been debating it and I don't think I
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will which we can play this clip when I
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inevitably break this phone in a few
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months but I have put the official Apple
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leather case on it I do quite like the
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Appl other cases however the thing that
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bothers me about the most cases
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including the Apple leather case is that
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it makes doing gestures from the edge of
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the screen considerably more difficult
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and that bums me out but otherwise it's
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a nice case it's expensive it's like 50
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bucks but it's a nice case Marco what do
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you got going on I am also caseless
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that's almost case ulis I bet you
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haven't thought of that many times sorry
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yeah I'm also going caseless I I too was
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cased only with the 6 and 6s not before
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or after the 7 I got in jet-black as it
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was grippy and I love that the 10 is you
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know with the glass back and the smooth
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metal sides the I would say overall so
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far it does not seem as grippy as the
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iPhone 7 but it's not as slippery as the
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6 and 6s so I'm a little well slow down
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they'll slow down though it is way
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grippier than my beautiful but bar of
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soap matte black or whatever they call
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yeah yeah iPhone 7 right yeah just
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whatever it was called but the jet black
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is obviously a whole different animal
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I'm not trying to argue that but if you
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happen to be coming from a matte black
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iPhone or you know whatever the
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equivalent was that I would say that the
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iPhone 10 is considerably more grippy
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than that but it sounds like you're
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saying mark oh it is less grippy than
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the jet black that's what it feels like
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so far you know it could just because
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like it's new and doesn't have all my
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hand oil on it firm from a year worth of
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handle just really gross but that's how
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it works yeah it could be that you know
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the end but you know compared to the jet
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black it is not as grippy and it could
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also be that like while the glass is
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kind of grippy the sides are now just
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regular metal again and so they're not
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so it could be that I don't know I have
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considered looking into some kind of
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like film or maybe like a little stick
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on like leather thing just for the back
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of it with not even the sides like they
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may you know they make is like kind of
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single panel decals or stickers or
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protectors for phones generally so I was
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think about doing that just to make them
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back a little bit grippier 4n just for a
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small amount of protection I too did not
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get AppleCare as I
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plain last week so I figure like you
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know I'll see how it goes if I drop it
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you everyone can make fun of me and
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maybe I'll start you know spending $200
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a year at Apple care from that point
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forward but right but I mean it's tilt
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like until I start typing my phones that
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I I'm coming out ahead by not doing that
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so you're still doing your math wrong
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you have to drop your phone enough times
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to equal all the $200 all the money you
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would have paid for all your phones it's
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not $200 for each one because they used
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to be cheaper but you have to add up all
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that money and then if you wanted to try
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to balance the scales you should really
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only start buying Apple care after you
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match that amount right exactly and so
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far I haven't had to do that yet and an
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ad like I would have to I would have to
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pay full price for a lot of replacements
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to make my policy worth reconsidering
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and and also you know cases are also
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part of that deal like cases are 50
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bucks at least you know for like for a
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decent one from Apple or you know a
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decent from anybody else you know you're
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generally looking at around that price
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range so like this stuff that you know
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you're paying for all these protective
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things but you're paying a lot for that
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protection and so you really have to be
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breaking things on a regular basis to
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make that to make you come out ahead
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with that so anyway I am caseless you
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are case ulis I you are also caseless
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and I don't know I'm not caseless this
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time I was that's right I am I'm rocking
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the black leather this time yeah how so
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so how is it it's like every other black
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leather leather case I've had I mean I
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like it it's very nice but like about
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the same one that they've been making
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since the sexes Bailey absolutely yeah I
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really patina but it has that like look
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cup of tea
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always had black leather cases my curly
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received it at this point but it was
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looking into getting a bumper which
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actually sounded really interesting to
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me I don't think it would be what I
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that back glass if you shatter that
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that's a bad day so I'm I'm gonna stick
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with the black leather case and we'll
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see how that goes
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the other thing with any kind of case
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and bumper is that it does interfere
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with the side gestures and even though
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like you know and once you get one like
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you know I use my 6 and 6s the entire
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case and and you do get used to it and
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but but it does make the swipe in from
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the side gesture a little harder to do
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do it and also it just collected dust
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around that edge and everything it's I
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don't I just I prefer not to use a case
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unless I really have to or unless I feel
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like I really have to and so far with
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the 10 I don't think I'll need it the
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only thing that makes me nervous is just
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how expensive it is to repair and that
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it is a new size that I'm still getting
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used to holding and using so I'll get to
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that later on in the show a little bit
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but but so far I think I'm gonna
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probably stay either caseless or with
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some kind of minimal like stick on decal
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thing on the back just to increase grip
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alright moving on
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John you do not have an iPhone 10 in
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hand is that correct I thought you were
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gonna move on like last week where Marco
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edited out the part where I said whether
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or not I got Apple Care Plus just it was
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all about your wife it wasn't even about
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yours so it wasn't you know that's the
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iPhone 10 we're talking about it's the
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only one I have I didn't get one anyway
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to reiterate we got Apple Care Plus
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because my wife drops her phone she
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drops her previous one twice also on the
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leather case the leather case for the 7
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is way better than the level the other
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case for the 6 was if they change to
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like metal volume buttons that poked out
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through where is the 6 headlock these
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lumps in the leather I don't know what
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the leather case for the 10 is but I can
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tell you the leather case for the 7 is
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big upgrade over the 6 for all the
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buttons and I heard people saying they
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really like the leather case for the 10
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that it had like aluminum buttons or
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whatever same thing with it with the 7
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case and that is much much better than
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the lumps as for cases I've always used
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the case on all of my iOS things
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well you've used a case and and what and
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you yeah whatever I saw you you had like
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a little baggie that you would put your
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phone on couch yep yeah I use the pouch
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mostly I mean I don't know why I started
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using I think I got it from my applied
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touches mostly just so I can shove it in
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my pocket without worrying about
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anything hitting the screen and also it
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basically cleans the screen every time I
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do that around the house I don't use it
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obviously right it's only you know when
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I'm when I'm going out or run it's in my
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most of the reason I'm getting the cases
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is for hand grip and for surface grip
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but in the modern era I think the main
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reason I probably will never go without
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a case despite everything Marco said
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about gestures were just true is because
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it evens out the camera bump and that is
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super drew on the 10 as we will talk
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about so yes I'm using a case on my
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iPhone 7 my wife got silicone cases for
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her iPhone 10 and because she is
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impatient and loves different colors she
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got two of them just like she did by the
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commuters you got three for a success
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Plus anyway so the second case looks
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good yeah actually the be leveling out
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the camera bump is a is a real thing
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that's another reason because like the
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camera bump on the six is noticeably
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larger I think than the in the previous
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ones and so like for the for the first
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time I'm actually interested in leveling
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out the camera bumper I didn't care
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before all right so yeah I have our next
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to ask ATP from Kapila wa mala Ratan a
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hope I got that right do you think Siri
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lagging behind Google assistant will
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eventually hurt iPhone sales and this
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individual says I'm currently very
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tempted by the pixel to uh I don't know
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it's an interesting question I can tell
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you that I've gone through I feel like
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I'm I feelings about Siri go through
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kind of a sine wave where the the peak
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of the sine wave is like the grudgingly
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accepting how bad Siri is and right now
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I'm in a valley because I friggin hate
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Siri and I feel like it's constantly
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giving me wrong data or not
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understanding what I'm trying to tell it
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but I don't have an Alexa in the house I
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don't have a Google home in the house I
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don't really ever use any Android or
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Amazon devices so I don't really know
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what I'm missing and because of that for
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me I mean obviously and obviously I'm
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all in on Apple anyway but I don't think
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for me in people who don't have like
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these multicultural households if you
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will in terms of you know assistance I
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don't know that anyone really realizes
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how crappy Siri is including myself
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but I'm curious to hear for like you
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guys that have multiple you know talking
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tubes in the house do you think that
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this is a much bigger risk you know for
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me it depends on what you're using it
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for you know for me Siri is a is just
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one part of why I choose Apple products
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and why I love the iPhone so much and
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why I use the iPhone over other phones
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I think Siri not being as good as it
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should be is a real problem and but it's
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a real problem that is of different
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degrees of severity depending on the
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product you're talking about so for
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something like the home pod that's a big
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problem like if Siri is not somehow
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miraculously way better and way more
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consistent and way less aciem that way
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less personality on the home pod then it
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is everywhere else right now then the
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home pod is gonna be I think really
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annoying to use in practice because when
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it's when well that's the only interface
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you have to something it really has to
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be good and consistent and smart and it
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has to do the right thing like every
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time and that's what the Amazon echo
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does like it yep the echo is really
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really good it's really consistent it
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hardly ever fails and when it does fail
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it doesn't do so with a cutesy response
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where it's trying to be funny that
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really just makes you want to set the
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world on fire Siri in that kind of
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context is gonna be a problem I think
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but in you know for my phone the the
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other reasons I choose the iPhone are so
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much greater than the variance between
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Siri and the other voice assistance that
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the other reasons will always overpower
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that difference even if the iPhone
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didn't have Siri at all even if it did
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not have any voice interface at all I
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would still choose the iPhone over
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anything else just because the rest of
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it is so compelling compared to that now
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other people might have different
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responses to that but for me and I think
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for a lot of people I think the voice
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features are really secondary and and
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their convenience features on a phone
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most of what you do on a phone is not
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through that voice interface for most
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so you know again like if your use case
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may vary but for me it's like I want
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Siri to be better for lots of reasons
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and I think it needs to be better for
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lots of reasons
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but it's not gonna kill iPhone sales in
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a meaningful way if it's not so you
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missed the key booby trap in this
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question here which is the word
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eventually yes that's right it's
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everybody's favorite it's gonna rain so
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we'd like an infinite times to Gale horn
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or something ya Gong do you think Syria
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lagging behind Google system will
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eventually hurt iPhone sales so there's
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two aspects of this and the reason I
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picked this question I'm never gonna put
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a gong in my office I have to bail up
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here but the bells nice and small a gong
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is not small at a time scale Gong yeah I
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mean you can get a little desk gone but
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I mean if you're gonna get a gong get a
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real one you know get like the one like
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on the floor stay and ear your
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accessories need to be under control air
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so the the eventually part of this if
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voice assistants become more and more
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important on phones and Siri continues
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to lag behind Google assistant then I
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think your calculus might change Marco
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if everyone else is talking to the
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phone's constantly and get an awesome
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response from it and it's like the most
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convenient way to do a whole bunch of
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things but cereal continues to lag
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behind that may change your calculus on
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exactly how important you feel is
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nothing to make you buy an Android front
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or whatever but the other angle on this
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is that Google assistant is available on
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iOS the only difference is that Apple
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privileges Siri to be the one with the
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good system integration so Apple's
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ultimate out if it can never get Siri to
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be as good a Google assistant and if a
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voice assistance on phones become much
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more important than they are today Apple
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always has the ability to say assuming
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you know Google Danes to continue to be
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on the iOS which I assume they will
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because if they're on now and they have
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80% market share I don't see why they
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wouldn't be forever is okay we will just
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make api's so that any voice assistant
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has the same kind of integration that
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Siri does and then voila your iPhone has
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just as good a voice assistant as Google
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because it's the same voice assistant
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that would be kind of a failure scenario
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and showed that they couldn't hack it
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with Siri but I think it is likely that
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voice assistants will
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become more important on phones than
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they are today I'm not sure how far
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it'll go but certainly I'll become more
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important and more important to KC's
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point about us having cylinders in the
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house I continue to have really good
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customer status of but every once in a
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while in addition to asking you to set
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timers and do math for me right I I will
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yell from three rooms away not even yell
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just like like this is the most recent
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like I'm in my TV room but just like two
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rooms away it's like kind of on the
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floor and we were having debate about
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the ages of actors on the show we were
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watching and I just asked to the air in
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a slightly louder voice than normal but
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not screaming you know name of actor how
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old how old is this actor and how old
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was that actor it gave me the answers
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like it didn't say I can't find a person
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by that name or didn't misspell it or
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mistranslate it because it's powered by
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Google and Google is the ultimate engine
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for typing a bunch of characters that
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you think might approximate the spelling
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of a celebrity's name and because
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they're celebrity it goes I think I know
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who you meant even though you got that
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name totally wrong and it works over
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voice too that's not a very you know
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amazing thing to do but if I had taken
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out my phone and asked Siri to do it or
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asked the home pod I can just imagine it
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picking a name for my contacts that
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sounds like the celebrity name and
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giving me their age or saying there's no
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birthday information or saying it
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couldn't provide that information so I
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think the lead is real and I think it
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will eventually be a problem for Apple
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but I think Apple has the ability to
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turn back the clock to 2007 and say
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Google powers all of our cool cloud
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stuff because they're great at that and
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we make the hardware in the OS which
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would be bad as far as Apple's concerned
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but it's always there as an out you know
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I would say though is like in the
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context of phone sales which is worth
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with a question which really about we've
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had voice input on laptops now for a
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while but it hasn't really resulted in
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people talking to the laptops very often
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the the primary way that people interact
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with their laptops by far is still
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typing and looking at things on the
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screen my mom my mom talks to her laptop
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a lot more than you would
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I think there is a there is a kind of a
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divide of traditional computer users and
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people who for whom even crappy voice is
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better than mouse and keyboard it's not
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it's not widespread you're right most
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people don't talk to their computers but
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if voice assistants become better I feel
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like that could start to change too oh
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yeah but but I'm saying like it's we've
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had it now for a while and it's still
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while some people do it it still is not
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the primary way most people interact
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with it and phones we don't even we've
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now had voice assistance on phones for
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one day longer than Steve Jobs has been
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gone so that's it's a while now and they
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still have not become the primary
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interface for interacting with phones
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and I feel like every form factor of
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computing device you know they become
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compelling they become useful and
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popular to be used in certain ways and
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you know the laptop is established as
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like the mainstream PC thing and there's
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the way you use a laptop it's with a
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keyboard and a trackpad and that's been
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established for some time and nothing's
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really going to change that meaningfully
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probably a phone has been established to
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be a screen that's hand held or
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approximately hand held that you can
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touch with your finger and do
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multi-touch gestures and type on the
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glass and everything and like have that
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be the primary interface you can do
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other things with them you can control
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it by voice you know you can do other
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methods with these things but those have
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been the primary interfaces and over
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time we really haven't seen anything to
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suggest that these basic form factor
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categories and the way you interact with
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them really meaningfully changes or
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dramatically changes over time you know
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a laptop that you buy today while the
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keyboard sucks and it has no ports is
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roughly the same proportions and form
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factor as laptops we had 15 years ago
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it's just better you know but it's the
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same general thing the same approximate
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size the same approximate you know class
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of device and you interact with roughly
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the same way so a phone over time if you
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think about like even on your infinite
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time scale argument like you know phones
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might be replaced by something else down
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the road you know but eventually they
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probably will oh they're pretty they're
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compelling now for and they they
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probably will be for quite some time a
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phone's primary interface is very likely
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to remain touch for a very long time
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probably for the entire rest of the time
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that phones are relevant devices that
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people carry but doesn't matter what the
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primary interface is though like I I
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agree with you like it's got it's a
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giant screen that you touch like of
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course that's gonna be how you're gonna
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interact with but if voice becomes a
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more important part of how you interact
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with the phone doesn't be the primary
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way doesn't mean you stop touching the
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screen you're always gonna touch screens
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the whole point like you said it's in
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your hand it's a little thing in your
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hand until it's replaced by like magic
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eyeglasses or some other thing in your
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ear or something or whatever yes you're
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gonna be touching it primarily but
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imagine I imagine very frequently how
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much better voice could be when I'm
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driving a car and I hear my little phone
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being in my pocket I would love to say
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read the text for me but I can't say
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that I can't even say hey Siri read the
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text for me because it won't hear me
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because it's in my pocket but it's
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connected to bluetooth through my car so
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it's using my car's crappy microphone
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like it could be it could be better and
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for for you know when the voice didn't
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exist on iOS devices people were just
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touching them entirely right there was
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no no sirree right when voice was added
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it didn't really change our lives that
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much except for maybe we use a set
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timers and stuff but it radically
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changed the way my mother uses iOS
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devices and Macs because her primary
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typing interface is speaking to her
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devices now does not mean that the
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primary way she uses her laptop or her
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phone is by voice of course not she's
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using the mouse or the trackpad or you
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know their fingers to use the iOS device
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but anytime text netbook comes along she
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dictates it I can tell because I see the
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dictate O's and all four stop I'm
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picturing as a vegetable even though I
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know what you meant but yeah sometimes
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it's funny you have to kind of sound it
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out to figure out what she was to be she
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doesn't she doesn't go back and edit
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because editing would require her to try
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to like place the cursor in iOS on her
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phone and you know it's not gonna work
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with her vision and her fingernails is
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just not gonna happen but I think that
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really has changed how she's done things
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and if you said you can have a computer
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or a phone but it won't do you know
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speech to text she would not like it
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so all I'm saying is I think it could
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potentially become more important and if
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Google assistant gets to the point where
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I can do things like
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who just texted me was that my wife like
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if I can interact with it in kind of a
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naturalistic way and a regular tone of
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voice and have an expectation that it'll
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know what the heck I'm talking about and
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responded in a reasonable way that is a
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game-changer right you you cross some
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threshold just like touch responsiveness
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cross some threshold with the iPhone
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it's like oh I see that Touch is
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supposed to be voice it's not there yet
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but I feel like it could get there and
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become a more important part of how your
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phone worked any of you saw everyone
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else driving with their Android phones
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interacting doing those interactions not
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as their primary using the phone but
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just like sometimes it's that's the most
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convenient way to do stuff if you see
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that happening and your iPhone can't do
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it because every time you try to talk to
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it like the bloops at the wrong time or
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like tells you it can't help you or runs
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like a web search and says I found five
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things about is that for my wife yeah
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that's fair and and I do you know you're
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right that like if there's radical
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differences between Syria and its
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competitors that it does start become an
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issue but it's only an issue to the
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degree that voice input is important to
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that device and so if input is always
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the secondary way you're interacting
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with this thing if you're mostly still
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touching it and you and voice is just
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like the secondary set of features it's
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way less important whether the voice
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input is mediocre or excellent and so I
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think Siri can continue and it's and
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because the rest of the phone is so much
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better than its competitors and for
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almost everybody for almost every recent
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sorry Android people that's that's the
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way it is because the primary interface
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is so advanced and so compelling
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the secondary interface I think has way
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more tolerance to be mediocre and still
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not make people change their buying
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habits really like I'm always depressed
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that I can't even get like my immediate
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family to to get on board with iPhones
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and this is the thing where I start to
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worry that even though it seems clear to
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us that iOS has advantages like there
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are you know advantages that we
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appreciate it's very clear that they are
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advanced just that most of the rest of
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the world does not appreciate or at
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least they do not appreciate them enough
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to pay for them so I you know my sister
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has an Android phone and she replaced it
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with another Android phone and I
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couldn't convince her to get an iPhone
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you know why because well I got was
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Android phone and it
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$200 but I got $150 Costco rebate so it
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even cost less than that can you show me
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the iPhone I can buy $450 and I was like
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no I can't show you the iPhone you can
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buy for $150 and there's no way I could
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convince her that a difference between
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$50 net and $800 for an iPhone like but
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don't you see how much better iOS is
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it's like I do not see $750 or the
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difference and that's why I'm Android
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has 80% market share like bones are such
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a commodity now that people just want a
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phone any casually they want a new phone
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but it's like it's like who buys
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batteries from the Seinfeld episode like
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how you pay money for your phone I got
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this one for 50 bucks and it's fine I
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got this one 50 bucks and it's fine
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might as well be the Android slogan like
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it is an incredible you cannot there's
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nothing you can say to someone who says
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I got this for me dollars and it's fine
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because they don't care about phones
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they're not phone enthusiasts they're
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not phone power users they just want a
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phone that lets them do phone things and
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it's 50 dollars and there's nothing you
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can say to them I say this thousand
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dollar iPhone 10 that reads your face
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you were charging constantly so - is
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couldn't handle that very well and so a
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sluggish and when you when I switched
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back to Canon 4 and I got the 5d Mark 4
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it's only 30 you don't quote only 30
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instead of 42 but processing those
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pixels and navigating and shooting and
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reviewing the images and zooming into
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the images to see if they're sharp but
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everything like it's just a million
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times faster on the 5d Mark 4 than it is
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on the a7 are - so the a7 r3 we just
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shortly or now and I when I sold by a7
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r2 to Stephen Hackett I kept my two
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favorite lenses the the 55 and a 35
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primes because I thought you know Len
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lens resale value is not going to change
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much in a year and if I end up buying
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back into the Sony ecosystem you know I
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have these lenses I'd have to rebuy them
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so I I kind of left the door open that I
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could go back if I wanted to
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the a7 r3 promises to it uses the new
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batteries that the a9 introduced in 89
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is it's like a fast sports camera that
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I be looking for it uses the same
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batteries that does which have allegedly
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I think like two-and-a-half times the
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capacity of the old ones and allegedly
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the a7 r3 also has a faster image
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processor but until it's actually out
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and until people can actually review it
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and maybe I can rent one it's it's hard
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to quantify that it's like well how much
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faster is it and how much better are
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those batteries if it's only a little
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bit better that's not good enough for me
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if it can make it to the speed and
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responsiveness level of a Canon
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full-frame SLR and with the battery life
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that could be similar then we'll talk
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but it's too early to know that yet I am
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very tempted though because as you know
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absolutely love the speed and the
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handling and the basically infinite
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battery life the full-size SLRs have
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compared to perilous I do miss those 42
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in-body stabilization to make every lens
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stabilize basically so i i'm curious to
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can get my hands on a rental it might be
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because I I think the most likely
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sounds like all three households have
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received at least one iPhone 10 in the
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case of our house I got one and Aaron
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got one I got the whatever we're calling
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it whatever the Apple term is for black
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2:56 Aaron got whatever the Apple term
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is for white 256 Marco how did your
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house end up white 256 and then John how
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did you end up I didn't receive a phone
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I had to go out and get it alright I our
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phone but it was like two or three weeks
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wait but I in the days since ordering
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the phone I've been using the store app
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to try to do in-store pickup and I
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forget one morning like one weekend
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morning or an 8 a.m. I did my typical
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order and went to see what's available
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for in-store pickup and I saw that my
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local Apple Store has the phone that I
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wanted so I said please reserve that
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from me I will come pick it up at the
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appointed time and we did and we came
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picked up at the appointed time now it
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was tricky because this is my wife's own
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remember she had an outstanding order
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and we did the Verizon Way where you
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enter all the information so that when
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you get the phone it's basically already
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assigned to her phone number when you
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take it out of the box and activate it
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it deactivates your other phone and
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everything right and like that's we had
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that in process it would not let me
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reserve for in-store pick up a phone
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with her same number on it right because
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it says you already have a phone that's
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you know in process the only way you can
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do this it said basically was to receive
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the order and then like I don't know
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return it or something like it didn't
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even give you the option to say if you
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can't see the other order will let you
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go through this or it said no you cannot
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do another order until that order
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arrives so we're never so instead I
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ordered the iPhone 10 from me with my
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telephone number
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because my wife just wanted to get the
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phone she's like just do it just do
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whatever it takes to get the phone we'll
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start it out afterwards and so we did we
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ordered it with my phone number and my
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thing and took the iPhone 10 went to the
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store to pick it up took it out of the
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box it activated as my phone a
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deactivated my phone then we did some
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sim swapping and a couple minutes later
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we were busily updating the stupid thing
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to iOS 11.1 because it shipped with
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eleven point 0.1 and restoring from
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backup and completely forgetting to do
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the watch thing which we'll discuss in a
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little bit but all in all she eventually
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got her whatever the hell it is black
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Space Gray 256 that now is correctly
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assigned to her telephone number and I'm
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back on my iPhone 7 alright I'm going to
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just start with some of my impressions
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and if you guys let me I'll carry on
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until I'm done but in all likelihood
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we're gonna end up just all of us
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talking about everything so oh wait
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before you begin the point I wanted to
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make what the in-store pickup if you
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have an order with Apple and you're
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waiting and like oh man I go wait three
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weeks just everyday in the morning go to
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the Apple Store app on iOS try to order
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it and see it and do in-store pickup
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it's before you complete the order it'll
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show you what stores have the model and
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the model and size available in your
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area available for pickup there's a lot
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of availability every single day new
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stuff comes in every single day in the
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morning just do that it's really easy to
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get a phone for local pickup before your
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one that you are comes you can always
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just cancel your order which is what we
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did so I would encourage everyone who is
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being a patient or the phone do that
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look for in-store pickup everyday so
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initial impressions at the time I tried
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to take some very very very brief notes
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it's heavy or at least I feel like it's
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not bad heavy just oh this is heavier
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kind of heavy curiously though the size
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doesn't act I don't get actively
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reminded that it's bigger if that makes
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sense like if I think about it for a
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half second oh yeah this feels bigger
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than what I'm used to but it's not like
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the Plus Club where I feel like I'm
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holding a dinner tray it's just it's
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it's close enough to my old one that it
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feels about the same do you do you feel
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similarly or do you feel like you
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definitely notice the size Marko so I
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took notes as I was
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like experiencing it just so I could you
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know get some opinions down my first two
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notes are it looks great period it's
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heavy period my first to my initial
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I actually just for the second compares
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and I just pulled my iPhone 7 out of the
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drawer and first of all man this is way
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grippier have a no question way grippier
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but yeah the weight difference is
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immediately apparent going either
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direction you know it's it's definitely
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a weighty phone but you know I will say
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you know about the size I agree with you
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that it does not feel that it doesn't
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feel like a plus phone I will say though
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it is like having a regular iPhone 7 in
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your pocket and in other places like you
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know in Docs and in cars and then cup
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holder isn't like it feels like an
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iPhone 7 physically but when actually
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using it it feels like using a plus
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because it's so much harder to reach
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things hmmm I see your point so it likes
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to summarize like it's like having a
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plus in your hand but a7 in your pocket
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I mostly agree with that but I think in
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in my hand that in my pocket my main
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impression of it is is that it's taller
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like I know it's not actually thinner
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but because it's taller when I mentally
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envision it and think about holding it I
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think oh that's the one that's like
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skinnier than my iPhone 7 but taller
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it's not right but because it's taller
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that's my impression and Margot is 100%
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right with like okay that's how it feels
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as a physical object what happens when
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you start trying to touch your screen
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you're like oh there's a lot more screen
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than they used to be and some of its
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harder to reach I can get behind that I
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do feel like the width is is the thing
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that I notice most or that makes me most
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uncomfortable it's not I don't feel like
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I don't have numbers in front of me it's
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not egregiously wider than what I'm used
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to but it's wide enough that it's just
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ever so slightly uncomfortable and I
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think Marco you're a hundred percent
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right that yeah the screen is big enough
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that this is really a two hand phone but
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I think because I just knew that the
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screen was going to be much bigger that
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I was like mentally prepped for that but
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I was not mentally or physically prepped
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being noticeably wider and if it ever if
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there's ever a time that I'm reminded
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about the physical differences of the
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phone it's because I'm trying to hold it
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and I feel like it's just just the hint
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wider than I want it to be it's thicker
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than me it may just be because my wife's
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got a silicone case which might be
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thicker than the other one that I'm used
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to and I have no idea if it actually is
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thicker than the Sun but this is just
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how it feels when I think about the 10
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and the silicone case versus the 7 in
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the leather like I said at the opposite
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of Casey that I feel like the 10 is
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skinnier even though it isn't and like
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like not as wide right and I also have
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the impression that the 10 is thicker I
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didn't notice the weight as much as you
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- I know I recognize that it is heavier
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and I guess I'm I did him side by side I
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would notice that but just having
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attended myself I don't notice the
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weight as much but I noticed that it's
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thicker and taller it is thicker I just
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put them on a desk with their Kimber was
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hanging off to normalize that for the
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non bump space and yeah it is thicker
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noticeably I will so they're like I
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don't actually like what I'm not doing a
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flat on the desk comparison test it
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doesn't read to me as thicker yeah I
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would agree with that I agree with what
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you said Marko that it's beautiful one
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of the first things I noticed and
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somebody else had said this on Twitter
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and I don't I don't recall who it was
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but they had said it looks manias Panza
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reno they had said that it looks as
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though the screen is photoshopped onto
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the device you're holding and I don't
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know if I would have character
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characterized it that way
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had I not read it already but that was a
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perfect description of it that it seems
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like the screen is just photoshopped on
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to this like object that you're holding
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it is so I'm assuming it's just that
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it's so close to the glass even closer
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than it ever has been I can't wait till
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they actually get a screen on the
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surface of something because this is
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exactly what we used to say like when
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they did the fused glass on the floor I
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was like wow the pixels are coming
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they're so close to your fingers and
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it's true over time that pickles have
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been getting closer to your fingers and
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this is the closest yet but I definitely
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I think it was slightly overblown to say
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they look like it was far shot line yes
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it does look like it's closer than other
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phones but it doesn't feel to me as if
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I'm running my fingers over our magazine
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picture cut out of a magazine right like
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it doesn't feel like the picture the
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picture
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on the surface there yes barely below it
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yeah either way yeah it just it I think
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it's beautiful the screen looks great I
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am I don't have a good enough I to be
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able to tell tell you anything about
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color reproduction or anything like that
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you don't notice the blacks you know
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unless the black levels you don't watch
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a movie on it no I haven't really
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watched movie with credits in a darkroom
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that as a black screen with the white
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title in the middle okay and then hold
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up your seven with the same movie and
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realize the seven is showing a gray
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background with white text in the middle
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yeah yeah no I'm with you I I just don't
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think I I'm discerning enough to be
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wowed by that until to your point I do a
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side-to-side test or side by side test
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that does HDR too I realized that this
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iPhone 10 is the only HDR screen I have
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in my house find some HDR movies and
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iTunes it looks pretty good turns out
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but yeah the screen looks great I will
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say that when I was on the plane earlier
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today I haven't be sitting in the middle
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of two gentlemen that both had plus
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phones I couldn't tell you specifically
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what vintage but they were both plus
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size phones and looking over at one of
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them and I this is probably just telling
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you how much of a jerk I am but I was
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kind of repulsed by how big the chin and
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forehead work I looked over and I was
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just like oh god those look ancient and
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they do it's a place for you to stick
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your gum when you're not using it just
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the table right John because at least
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you know which one's yours no seriously
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though like they both look so ancient
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and just oh like oh god that looks so
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old and in mine
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like I feel like this unequivocally
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looks like the future and we'll see what
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happens with the notch but it just looks
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way newer and way more modern so while
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we're talking about the screen and one
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of the you know typical like Apple
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problem with the new iPhone stories that
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went around was about the blue shift and
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in the screen there's you know Aaron
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quality all LEDs that it apparently it
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is I don't have no experience is always
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too low that when you're looking for
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screen head on looks gorgeous but if you
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tilt the screen a little bit away from
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you or too
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or whatever that the the colors shift
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towards blue and so when I got phone I
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tried this and they're right it shifts
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blow it definitely does but without
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looking no cheating what happens on a
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pre 10 iPhone when you tilt the screen
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off axis don't do it don't pick up your
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phone and do it don't look okay just
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tell me this is the pop quiz what
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happens on a pre iPhone screen when
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utility yellow I have no idea because it
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doesn't matter because I always look at
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my phone straight on or not at all and
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if I'm gonna have to look at it
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diagonally I won't care if it shifts
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slightly like this is such ironic I
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don't think you actually do always look
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at it on axis like and I because I think
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you do look at it tilted I just think
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that changes in color like this blue
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shift are subtle enough that nobody
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cares and to spoil it for you what
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preten I phones do what essentially IPS
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LCD do as they get dimmer instead of
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getting dimmer in all spectrums RGB
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spectrum equally the ten gets dimmer in
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the R and the G leaving the be a little
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bit more I'm not quite sure why it does
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this but that's how it works but if you
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now take them both and put them in front
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of you and tilt them both their their
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off axis viewing it's not greater than
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either one of them right
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but as Marco said either you're always
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looking at a head-on or it's tilted to
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such degree that you don't care so if
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you read a story about the iPhone 1000
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it's green-blue shifting it does but it
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is no more egregious than what every
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iPhone you've ever done has done and I
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think most people well even if they've
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read a hundred stories about this and
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are terrified about it you will not
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notice it in practice and this screen
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looks amazing from from from any angle
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in all situations yeah it's a total
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non-issue because the fact that neither
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of us neither me or Casey could tell you
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what happened if you looked off access
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to the all the previewing I couldn't
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have told you either I had to do it I'm
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like well maybe you know LCD is
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especially IPS LCD SAR well known for
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really good of you know so I'm like oh
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well I guess it's just a disadvantage of
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all LEDs I'll take it because I like the
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black levels but LCDs don't do that
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right then I took my iPhone 7 and tilted
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I'm like nope pretty bad pretty bad tilt
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it and it gets very dim very fast like
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oh I never noticed that before and why
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because you just don't you just don't in
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normally use
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yeah after 10 years are using these
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things neither none of us can tell you
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what happened so it's like it's
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obviously not a big problem practice and
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and now that you look like go look for
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go take your iPhone 7 and put it on a
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white screen tilted it's not subtle like
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it gets really dark really fast like
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noticeably like if you put this on
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camera be like terrible flaw iPhone
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screen like that's just how the LCDs
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working we're all just used to it and
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it's fine and the blue thing should not
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bother most people speaking of things
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that should not bother most people not
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in portrait is a hundred percent a
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non-issue for me maybe you guys feel
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differently I'll give you a chance in a
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second but for me and portrait a hundred
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percent a non-issue in landscape it's
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I don't think it's as egregious as I
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expected we'll eat in either direction
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but particularly landscape but it's
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definitely weird and noticeable in
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landscape it doesn't actively offend me
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but it is kind of like huh that's funny
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so John in the in your usage what have
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you thought of the knotch so the the
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notch itself in portrait the only way it
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what it does to the UI in terms of well
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this is not really the fault with much
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but I suppose but like the the control
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center and the notifications as I said
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in past shows I think it's a really
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clever use of you know making lemons
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that are making lemonade out of lemons
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really clever used to decide okay now we
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have this physical blob there we have
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two distinct regions that are
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distinguishable and can do different
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functions so they put control centre in
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one and notifications on the other but
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due to the very large size of the phone
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I don't want to go all the way to the up
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left to get notifications if I could go
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to the top middle or top right for
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notifications that would be way more
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convenient for me as someone who mostly
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holds their phone in their right hand
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and that's that's how the notch is
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annoying me because it's pushing a semi
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commonly-used control farther away from
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my thumb right so that's yeah but but
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other than that like the actual notch
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itself like mucking up my screen and
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portrait I don't even notice that it's
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there and it's an
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there and it's an
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escaped I don't tend to use my phone
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landscape landscape the main thing that
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annoys me is the proportion of the phone
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in terms of like viewing video which is
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what I'm gonna do it seems like a lot of
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the screen is wasted depending on what
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the the aspect ratio is that all the
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chat room is saying that the entire
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thing is notification except for the
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right corner yeah but I can't use the
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right corner and also it doesn't occur
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to me to swipe my fingers over the not
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to do it most of the time even though
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you can if only because I don't want to
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smear my greasy fingers over the lenses
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of the cameras which probably makes some
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difference because of focal distances
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but it's still something that I am
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averse to and likes it's it's not like
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oh do you always use the upper right
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hand corner of your 7 no but my 7 is not
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this damn tall so did you know it's it's
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stressing us out in landscape like I
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said it's I feel like a lot of the
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screen is often wasted in landscape and
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applications that do go full with the
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landscape I don't really need I don't I
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don't need them to say oh I wish you
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could have used that last little bit is
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like imagine if you're reading like a
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web page and landscape or very often I'm
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rotating some stupid person's image of
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text like they upload a heavily
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compressed JPEG of text that I can't
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read in portrait because the line length
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is 700 characters long so I have to
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rotate to landscape just so their image
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can get big enough for me to read their
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paragraph of screenshotted text without
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scrolling the image left to right like I
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thought okay yep yep yep I've been here
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a thousand times right even then I don't
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think that bothers me it looks awkward
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in screenshots and if you're designing
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an app I can imagine going am I going to
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deal with this thing in landscape but so
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far in practice the knotch hasn't
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bothered me you know its presence and
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its and the the lack of me but having
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those pixels between the two ears has
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not bothered me in any orientation and
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just in portrait it's the reach ability
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thing that's bothering me a little bit
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yeah I I have basically the same opinion
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the not really has not bothered me much
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it annoys me a little bit sometimes but
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in practice it's it's almost like the
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the iPhone 7 virtual home button thing
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like I thought beforehand you know many
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of us thought beforehand like this is
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gonna be a big problem it's gonna be a
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huge thing to get used to it's gonna be
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really annoying and then in practice it
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just wasn't and that's how the not just
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is proving to be for me like as a
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developer it's a huge pain in my rear
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end it's mostly in landscape
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but but as a user of the phone it really
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is not that noticeable most of the time
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I will say I do notice it when
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transitions happen
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that push content under it or pull
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content out from below it so leaving an
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app opening an app any kind of full
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screen that gets presented in an app and
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then later dismissed like you kind of it
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when your eye is kind of drawn to notice
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vertical things like that that reach the
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top of the screen I do notice it more
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but most of the rest of usage I don't
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notice the knotch it really isn't a
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problem the only other time I noticed it
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is when I try to tap it to scroll to the
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top and it doesn't work like because the
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nots is not touch sensitive so you can
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tap near the notch and it will scroll
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the top you can tap the ears it'll
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scroll the top but the actual not
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yourself is not touch sensitive they
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should just do it a drawing app it
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doesn't make the camera button yeah
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leave the camera on it just since when
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you put your finger over it it blacks it
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out oh what a hilarious but clever hack
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that was it didn't make it their app
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review turns out what a surprise but
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anyway yeah so yeah not so far
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I really it really doesn't seem to be a
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problem
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you can argue whether whether they need
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it to be there whether they could have
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done something more like the s8 but I
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think what they did actually works
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I paint me to say that because the notch
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is so weird and in landscape it really
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is a mess but I never use my phone in
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landscape
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unless I'm watching a video in which
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case I can have it do the zoom thing
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where it doesn't show over the knotch
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which I think any right-thinking person
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should but but you wouldn't want it
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you'll never like the video thing is not
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something that people should worry about
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because very little video unless you're
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watching like Lawrence of Arabia or
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something it's like you know really
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really wide aspect great right right the
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phone is not the same aspect ratio as
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most TV in movies it's wider than most
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TVs in movies it's the only time the not
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to interfere with your video is if
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you're zooming to cut off the top to the
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bottom of your pictures it's a really
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tall phone and when you turn sideways
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it's really wide yeah so overall not not
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really a problem it is it isn't perfect
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it's a little weird sometimes but
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overall it's
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seems fine so unlike the iPhone 7 home
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button or whatever was the home button
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is introduced I don't think it will be
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here next year saying and you know what
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I actually prefer the knotch to having
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no not like you want no reference and as
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I said I think when we were talking
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about the notch a couple episodes ago
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Apple doesn't want the notch to be there
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it's a compromise that is necessary for
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a whole bunch of other stuff that we're
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gonna get to in a little bit right if
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Apple can get rid of the knotch they
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will and no matter how big a part it
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becomes as a branding eventually this
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notch is going away when the tech exists
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to do it because if Johnny eyes is still
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bless his heart the true in the mental
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form of the iPhone is to be an unbroken
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it's not a round rack hyper ellipsoid
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whatever that shape completely uniform
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and by the way it's speaking of the
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uniform that's another thing about this
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phone it is more symmetrical more
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physically tactically tact
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yeah what's the tactile means like yeah
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tactile and touch sensitively like the
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surface features of it are more
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symmetrical than almost any other phone
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certainly I think it than any other
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iPhone right because they all had
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something that was indented in some way
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on the bottom to tell you that's the
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chin and then the thing without the
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indents is the forehead or you could
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feel the little speaker slit for the
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forehead or whatever it's not like an
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Apple TV remote and especially if you
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have a case it's pretty easy to tell
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what's up and what's down because the
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case Apple's cases at least don't have
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anything on the bottom which will become
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super important when we start talking
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about how you use this damn phone but it
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have come closer than I've ever come
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before to briefly attempting to pick up
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a phone in the wrong orientation so that
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is a factor and when Johnny gets his way
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and it is really truly uniform and
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there's no notch and like everything is
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it's the police featureless beautiful
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polished stone I mean maybe we won't
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matter because maybe like you can pick
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it up any way you want and the
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orientation won't matter because at that
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point Johnny's removed the volume
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buttons as well and we just all talk to
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it to change the volume it's really
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convenient just tap triple tap three or
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tap over to via Morse code and it will
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change the volume or just say hey Siri
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turn the volume up 80%
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I'm getting all snarky but but either
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way that is a factor with the 10 it is
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more symmetrical than previous iPhones
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and there is the possibility of you
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occasionally getting confused about
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which way is up but only briefly I don't
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think it's really a problem but it's in
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in the first few days with the phone I
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had that experience I will say one area
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where they changed the symmetry aspect a
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little bit I think for the better is
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that unlike the 6 7 and 8 and their plus
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varieties the sleep/wake button is now
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no longer perfectly overlapping
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symmetrically with the volume up button
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now the sleep/wake button has moved down
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slightly so it is centered between the
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volume up and down buttons so now it is
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substantially easier to hit sleep-wake
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or volume up without hitting the other
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one accidentally but then you do have to
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hit them for that's how you get like the
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the shutdown thing to come yeah usually
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still be squeezing do it yeah or during
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the command all delete sequence anyway
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yeah but you don't
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the other thing I will say though about
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the sleep/wake button I do love finally
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that it is no longer lined up perfectly
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with volume up however it is fairly
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difficult to double click it which makes
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it really annoying to use Apple pay you
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actually take 7 screenshots when you try
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to pay for something yeah like I have
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found Apple pay is is fairly tricky to
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invoke with that double click my poor
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wife would like I told her how to use
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Apple pay I didn't tell her the story
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about the people being confused about
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that the touch thing but it did say oh
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you know when you do Apple hey now just
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so you know you hit the power button
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twice right but you know what it's like
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when you're in like a checkout line and
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like this is the pressure for you to
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perform it's your new phone and you're
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not you know you haven't used it before
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but you don't want to look silly you
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don't want to hold people up and I think
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what she was doing was like you know it
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to activate yeah mum pay or whatever you
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on that on the screen and of course it's
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not doing anything and she's being
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flustered and she I think she eventually
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figured it out but first experience it's
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just I think
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that Guy'd that thing trying to tell you
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what to do is a good interface and that
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will help people but under pressure with
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people behind you at the checkout line
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everyone can be a little silly so tiny
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bit of learning curve there practice
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beforehand and I am sure it will be fine
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also and it's also annoying when you're
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downloading a new app from the App Store
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after purchases have the same thing
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where you have to double tap that thing
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at the other side button and if you hold
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your phone in your left hand that's
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surprisingly hard to do without hitting
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any other buttons accidentally so that's
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it's just it's it's not a good gesture I
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also wonder like why does that need to
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be there why can't you just tap on the
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screen or swipe up from the bottom or do
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anything anything else yeah why can't
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there be an on screen gesture to do that
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I don't understand why that has to be
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the only way to approve payments like
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maybe if you're like holding your phone
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down like on a subway turnstile you want
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something that's not on the screen to
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activate it I guess yeah yeah yeah I
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think you want a hardware thing as a
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fallback but yeah but like why can't I
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just have a button on screen saying you
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know pay like what no I don't understand
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why I need to double tap a hardware
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button while face ID has already
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authenticated me that doesn't make sense
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to me right yeah especially since you
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have to do face idea anyway before that
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so it knows I'm right here like it's
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just yeah that that that's like the one
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it's there's one of two changes to iOS
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that really I think were wrong calls to
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it to accommodate for this phone that
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and control centers location though I
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really hope that iOS 12 changes both of
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those things or gives us options to
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change those things because like most of
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iOS has adapted somewhat gracefully at
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least to this phone but that DoubleTap
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second to confirm payment and the
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control center being completely
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unreachable is those are big problems
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where would you put control center if
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not there because I agree with you a
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hundred percent that it is really an
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inconvenient location but I'm I'm at a
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loss as to where it should go
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it's swap it for reach ability swipe
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down on the home indicator which doesn't
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make sense physically but you can try it
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yeah I turned on reach ability to I
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figured I might need to use it because
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the phone so tall and I really have a
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hard time activating that honestly
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it isn't on it is not an easy gesture to
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do because the the area if you have to
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swipe down in doesn't have a lot of
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height and it's already the very bottom
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the phones if I reach all the way at the
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bottom which ironically for feature name
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reach ability is actually not that easy
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and then swipe down which is also not
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that easy from already being at the
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bottom so it's that's not an easy
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gesture to do there's lots of options
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where they could put Control Center I
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think some of them could be like you
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know certain you know maybe if you swipe
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up when you're already on the home
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screen you know something like that or
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it could be like the top half of
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Notification Center somehow there's
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other you could like swipe and it could
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be on the widgets screen like there are
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so many places they could put it you
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know I I hope they figure something out
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that's better because where they put it
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now is they basically taken the controls
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that you are more likely than average to
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have to use while holding the phone
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one-handed on the move and they have put
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them in the location that has the least
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possible to reach in that situation so I
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I think where they put it now is so bad
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that pretty much any other option would
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be better yeah I think control center
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itself could use some help and other
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people mention this like I'm the
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lockscreen now suddenly becomes much
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more usable when like it's not you know
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when face ID is in the mix like the fact
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that we can wake the phone up by
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touching the screen now means that
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suddenly if I could configurable things
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from control center on the screen
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instead of just flashlight and what is
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the other one it's flashlight and camera
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camera which you don't even need a
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camera there because because you can
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swipe from the side there are a few
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other options there's like Apple TV
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remotes and stuff but they made it
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slightly configurable in Iowa's 11i
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which was nice it was welcome but yeah
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they could do a lot more there's a lot
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of room on the screen and control center
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itself from from whenever they change
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this new control center I guess it was
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iOS 11 yeah you can configure it by
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saying which things you want it but you
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can't rearrange it and the ones you can
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figure get to go down and like the the
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other area as they slowly build like
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it's there's a lot of room for
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improvement in customization there and
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some of that might actually help with
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the reachability controls that are not
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the activation but once you activate it
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if things can be nearer the upper right
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because that's where your thumbs gonna
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be because that's where it just was to
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activate it like it just changes the
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calculus and how easy
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then while we're on this topic of Marco
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talking about the reachability gesture
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being tricky before we get to face ID
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the other important aspect of this phone
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the lack of a home button manifests in
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in all of us learning about the lovely
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swipe up from the bottom of your iPhone
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10 gesture which is the replacement for
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hitting the home button and also
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depending on how fast you do it to get
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you into multitasking and stuff like
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that but really one of the most common
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operations we all do and iPhones that
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have doing for a long time is
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essentially hitting the home button to
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go home right face ID and touch ID which
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we'll talk about in a bit is a separate
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thing and when you talk about touching
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the home button sometimes it gets
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confuse the face ID it's like well you
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have to try face any multiple times
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sometimes your finger is wet and
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sometimes you just don't have it the
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right angle all that is true but there's
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one thing I never have to try to do
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twice and that's pressing the home
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button for a non face non touch ID
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purpose yes I do have to futz with face
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touch ID I do it all the time
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touch of these really fast it works
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great most of the time but everyone
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someone had to futz with it but never
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when I'm using my phone I'm I'm in an
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app and I still I still go back to the
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home screen I tend not to double tap for
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you know multitasking but even if I did
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that single tap or Delta it works every
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time I never missed the tap I can feel
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where the button is and when I press it
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works physical button fake home button
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that doesn't move either way it works
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with iPhone 10 that gesture to go home I
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don't know how frequently but a nonzero
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amount of the time I have to make a
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second or even a third attempted to
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swipe up from bottom gesture and
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remember there's no case they're
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interfering with me the Apple cases do
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not extend across the bottom and I watch
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my wife use the phone and she too every
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once in a while has to try that swipe
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again it's not particularly time
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consuming but for a very common
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operation this is one of the aspects of
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using the phone that feels like a slight
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downgrade the reliability of what used
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to be a very very reliable thing
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pressing the home button now has entered
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the realm of sort of like touch ID where
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you might have to try it again and I'm
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not sure why I'm missing am I missing
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because I'm not
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meaning my hand lower and the phone is
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larger I'm not getting good swipe on it
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and I'm missing because I'm just not
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good at edge swipes because I've had a
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case and it's a different thing the
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thing when the edge has no case and I'm
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missing the target area am I starting
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too high am i starting too low I don't
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know what it is but I'm having to swipe
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multiple times if you guys have this
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experience where you got to make a
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second attempt at the home gesture I
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feel like I have but it very quickly got
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a lot better over time yeah I have not
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had any unreliability for that I mean it
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took me maybe a half a day to get used
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to it yeah you should watch watch
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yourself or have someone else watch you
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to see if you're just instinctively
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doing it consuming the second you're
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already there the second swipe is pretty
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quick and I don't think I ever have to
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do it more than two or three times but I
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thought maybe it's just me so I watch my
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wife without telling her that I'm
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watching her do this I've seen her do it
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as well to live in your house
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it could it's her phone so she's mostly
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using it it could it be a learning curve
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thing I'm willing to dodge that I'm just
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saying like first week impressions first
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few day impressions that is happening to
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me a little bit I mean while we're on
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the subject of the home swipe I think
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that another kind of questionable area
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for me is the multitasking gesture I
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know you know everyone has their little
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tricks for like oh you do a little
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circle or used to press and hold or
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whatever else but no matter how you do
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it bring up multitasking takes a little
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bit more time now it's a little bit more
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error-prone and if you want to force
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quit an app now granted I know this is a
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controversial topic and you shouldn't
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need to force quit apps but sometimes
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you need to force quit apps and that is
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now significantly slower than it was
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before because now you have to unless
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I'm missing something let's now rest at
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home yeah you have to bring up the old
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switcher which itself is slow then you
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have to like press and hold on the app
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to enable like a little wiggle mode like
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they have in the home screen either they
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don't wiggle anymore and then hit the
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minus button to force quit it and that
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is significantly more gestures and more
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time than double tap the home button
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swipe up which is the previous way to
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terminate that I like that because it
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because it's punishing habitual force
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quitters it is but I but it is also like
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you know the the problem with the force
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quit controversy the reason why you know
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we can't just say
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oh you should never need to force craps
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is because sometimes you do need to
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force quit apps it's hard to look at
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something like this where it makes the
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force quit a lot harder to do and a lot
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more hidden of a thing you can do it's
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hard to look at that and say well it's
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heat that's a definite clear win because
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you shouldn't need to do this cuz yeah
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you shouldn't need to do it but you do
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need to do it you know it's like and and
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maybe not for battery life reasons
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necessarily although sometimes that is
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the reason some have to do that battery
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life but you know it's it's a kind of
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thing where it would be nice if if you
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never had to do this and then you could
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make it impossible to quit an app
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because why I even have a way if you
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never have to do it but we do still have
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to do it and so to make it harder is
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annoying
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that much harder the prescient hold I'm
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the hater of Preston old as much as
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anybody I hit any action where I have to
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do something for a set amount of time
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there's no way to speed it up but for
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this action I mean I don't do it often
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enough that I would be annoyed by the
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press and hold because once you press
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and hold you're in the mode and you can
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kill multiple apps bug on kill kill kill
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kill kill so people can still do that
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there's just a slight delay when you do
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press and hold to get into the mode I'm
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more with you on multitasking which I
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find very difficult to get into mostly
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because you have to like either pull up
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slowly like there's there's a whole
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bunch of moves you can still the thing
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that the end of that I think is nice is
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if you want to switch back and forth and
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apps you could swipe side to side with
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no delay like you don't have to do any
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weird motion but if you want to bring up
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the switcher especially especially this
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kills me if you want to bring up the
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multitasking switcher from the home
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screen I would wonder if you just
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surveyed people new iPhone 10 users ask
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them it new this is hard find new iPhone
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10 users who know about the multitasking
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switcher but don't know that you whether
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or not you can bring it from the home
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screen and ask them hey can you bring up
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the multitasking switch are from the
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home screen I bet people think you can't
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do it because that gesture for some
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weird reason is so much harder for me to
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do than it is from within an application
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do you guys find that no you don't have
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a go do it now take out your phone right
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now I've been doing it during this
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entire conversation and I have about a
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maybe two-thirds success rate you're
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talking about this the come up and stop
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or the environment from from the homes
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from springboard go to springboard and
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bring up the multitasking switcher
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mm-hmm I find that very
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bring up the message which from apps is
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just slow but I don't fail at it from
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the home screen I fail at it it's the
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same exact juice I know it shouldn't be
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but what's the different I don't know
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what's different all I know is I am NOT
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as is it because they hide the home
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indicator and I somehow need that line
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on the bottom of the screen I don't know
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what the problem interesting ok I can
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understand that maybe I miss aiming like
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I'm swiping up is not my friend the
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bottom is not my forte let me tell you
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this could just be a learning curve but
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but initially like the first 10 seconds
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I'm using the phone I thought oh you
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can't bring up the Maltese for sure
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that's what I thought and then
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eventually I figured I had to do it but
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you despite that after figuring out how
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to do it like I would I would go to the
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home screen like alright we're gonna do
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it we're gonna do it this time and
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nothing I'm swiping up uselessly
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try again and do I have to go faster
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slower am I starting in the wrong spot
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and then eventually it comes up but I'll
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point out this is another area double
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tapping the home button works every time
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the first time I can find the button I
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double tap it not if you have a triple
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tap shortcut for an accessibility
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feature enabled for app development I'm
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sure that you have to test all this
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stuff but I don't have this oh my life
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changed when I could just have Siri turn
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on a voiceover then I can finally turn
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off the triple click because there were
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so many times when I would try to open
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up the app switcher accidentally triple
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click instead of double clicking because
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the button was a little bit mushy or
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something and then somewhere out in the
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world where I'm in public my phone says
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voiceover on I will say that I spoke to
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Erin very briefly before I recorded and
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asked her what she thought of her phone
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and one of the things that she really
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did not like was the change in
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multitasking she because she felt like
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it was considerably more fiddly and and
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there are like Marco was saying there
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are occasions when she will want or need
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to force quit an app and it was really
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annoying to her that that the new
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mechanism is so slow
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what are these occasions and why are you
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both encouraged you know what it's gonna
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be really bad it's gonna be next next
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fall when we're trying to order our
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replacements to this phone using the
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Apple Store app on the phone and trying
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to force quit it over and over again to
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get it at the morning
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just gonna be existing think about that
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we're all gonna fail
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okay see when are you encouraging Aaron
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why don't she force quitting apps why
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what are you doing this for I don't know
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why you're so deeply offended by this
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like she is not a habitual force quitter
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but there are times when apps do things
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that are not right well yes she does use
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Facebook but I don't have to frickin
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justify her actions to you you're not
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the boss of her I know but I'm just
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saying like shouldn't you be like saying
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if you think if force quitting is such
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an important part of your iPhone
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workflow what's going on there are you
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using an application that always
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misbehaves that you have to use anyway
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like what's the because I don't think it
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should be a regular part of people it
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should only be like when an app is
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broken or misbehaving and you know what
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a lot of apps are broken and misbehave
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all the time like Facebook yeah but if
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they're broken or misbehaving frequently
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you stop using that app like broken
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means like I'll come back to the app and
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stop using Facebook good luck with that
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I'm asking if it's Facebook you can say
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oh it's because she uses Facebook and
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I'd say okay well that's why it's
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important but if you forget you know
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what it is I don't pay attention to how
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often I force quit apps but I feel like
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maybe once a day I'll force quit an app
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and and I would say the only reason I do
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it is because I feel like that app is
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misbehaving now which add huh that's
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where you start getting into the booty
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you feel like like I feel like this app
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is bad I want to make it stop being bad
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and then using you force quit it and
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you're like I've stopped it from being
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bad now I feel better
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you're misconstruing me not being able
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to cite a specific example with me just
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doing it because magic it's not that I'm
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doing it because magic it's not magic
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but you don't have enough
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instrumentation in iOS to really really
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know whether what you're doing is
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helping or not it makes you feel better
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but are you doing like scientific tests
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to you know a be test for scoring not
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force according with no you're not
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you're just saying I got the feeling
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that this thing is doing a thing that I
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don't want I want to stop it no no
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that's okay so let me give you an
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example that does not happen often but I
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know you're not going to let this go
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until the king is satisfied
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so as an example on occasion Tweetbot
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will be and I know who Twitter if ik
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blah blah
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we thought would be the Tweety pot we'll
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be confused as to whether or not it can
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be in streaming mode and when I'm on
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Wi-Fi I prefer to use the bottom stream
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like you but you're not letting this go
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until I cite a specific example that is
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a specific example yeah all right all
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right I mean we're saying is that you
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have a higher tolerance for using bug
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applications than you deal with that by
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saying well I know sometimes I know
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sometimes it gets confused when I change
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from cellular Wi-Fi about whether it can
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use screening but my fix is I just force
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quit it and that becomes part of your
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workflow essentially you know that's the
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thing that happens with the app but you
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still want to use the app so you force
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quit it and I guess I just don't have
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apps in my that I use that do that maybe
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and you're all again you're over blowing
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the amount of times that I do this maybe
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yeah maybe once a day across all the
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different apps that I use during the day
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I'm trying to think back to the last
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time I force quit anything on my phone I
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guess it was probably the night we
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ordered the the thing because you know
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you had it to make the Apple Store app
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refresh your stuff I think that's the
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last time I did it and had I not ordered
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an iPhone at 3 a.m. I would have like
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what's the time before that that I had
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forced quit I would be hard-pressed to
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say hey Marco can you defend me on this
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one or you leave me I'll try he's forced
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quitting his own apps cuz he's writing
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them and they have bugs no idea before
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script my own app I if you hit stop and
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Xcode of course quits it no I I will
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usually force quit maybe one app every 1
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to 2 days for some reason and and
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they're usually I think decent reasons
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it and I don't think that's I don't
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think that's an unhealthy frequency or
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unusual one I I was I would be I would
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not have guessed those numbers he's like
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I said I just maybe use more apps than I
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do or try and more new apps or more of
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the apps use every day because if you
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use an app every day that has like an
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annoying thing like that like for
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example the last time I force quit an
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app on my wife's phone it was we were
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setting up her iPhone 10 and for
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whatever reason Twitter if occur you go
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KZ Twitter if ik was having some problem
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where it was we could switch to one of
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her Twitter accounts but not to another
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one don't even ask
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and like it would just go on the screen
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or be I would say like contacting
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Twitter services out of that and
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deleted the cash in Twitter if occur
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which is a nice diagnostic tool a
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Twitter who gives you and that and that
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did not help in this case and so I had
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to force quit it because it was just
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kind of like stuck on that screen and I
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think that was like you should be less
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buggy apps
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crap about the notch either in a good
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way you know she doesn't really notice
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she was very in and this is gonna I
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guess segue a segue us into into face ID
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she was very grumbly about the angle of
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attack necessary for face ID to work so
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by that I mean I think a lot of times
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she'll be like sitting on a couch or
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something like that and maybe reclined
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or it just in a position where the phone
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she wants to unlock her phone but the
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phone isn't necessarily looking at her
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and she was really annoyed that she has
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to have some amount of consideration of
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what the phone needs in order to unlock
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her phone and she found that really
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frustrating and you know what I I think
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she's right now it doesn't bother me as
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much I don't think because I think more
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often than not the phone is staring I'm
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staring longingly into my phone's
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infrared eyeballs as I'm trying to
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unlock it but but but I guess for
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whatever reason I mean because Mom
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because Aaron because any number of
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reasons she she felt like she was
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frequently getting tripped up by face ID
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not unlocking because the phone was
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entangled exactly right and where it
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seemed to bother her quite a bit it
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bothers me only a teeny bit and the
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other thing she said was and not
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specifically around face ID but mostly
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around face ID like this did bleed into
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other places like multitasking as an
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example but she just said that every is
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she said everything just seems slower
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you know so as an example double tapping
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a home button is much quicker than the
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swipe up and stop the the most recent
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touch ID is instant and face ID is not
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instant and I was talking to somebody
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just earlier tonight actually and I was
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saying to them you know if I if I take
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off my developer hat I am actually
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lightly annoyed about how slow - how
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slow face ID is because it is noticeably
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is it egregiously slow no it is not but
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it is noticeably slower than the most
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recent touch ID now when I put my
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developer hat back on
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it is a friggin miracle that this thing
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shipped in this quantity in the year
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2017 like how is this even possible how
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is it this quick how is it possible to
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do all that computation that quick but
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when I take my developer hat off how is
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this how is it this slow why would they
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have shipped it it's too slow
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does that make any sense at all yeah I
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think so I mean you know to me I mean
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first of all so to get back to what
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Aaron was saying like the angles of it I
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definitely hit that being like this is
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now a thing I have to adjust with like
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and consider yeah I just didn't consider
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a couple of people in the chat were
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suggesting that maybe tried turning off
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the attention detection to make you like
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a lot happier I think I'm gonna try that
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because I honestly don't need incredibly
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high security what like I don't think
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there's a there has never been a
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situation where somebody has forcibly
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unlocked my phone by showing it to my
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face or putting my thumb on it or
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anything like that so I don't think I
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really need that level of security so
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I'm gonna try that but but it definitely
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is like it takes some some habit
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changing and you know what touch ID
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maybe it did like that was so long ago
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now I don't really remember like did I
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have to you know suddenly press my
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finger in a different way the answer is
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probably that I probably had to adjust
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to that too and and part of what makes
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you know you were saying like some of
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this is just you know it's slower I'm
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multitasking like that's slower some
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things are slower touch ID speed does it
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mean sorry face IDs speed does seem to
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be certainly between touch ID first and
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second generation but a lot closer to
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the first generation and the second I
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would agree it's it's almost as slow as
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first generation touch ID which was
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still totally usable like it just we are
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spoiled by how fast second generation
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touch ID was you know so it is some it
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is a step back in that regard overall
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speed to unlock the phone you know in
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terms of taking it out of your pocket
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unlocking it and go into the home screen
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I don't think it's that different I
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think it might be a little slower but I
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don't think it's a big difference you
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know just because that swipe is is
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fast and integrated in like one
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continuous motion with face ID being
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recognized like I think that's mostly
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fine for accuracy I think it's pretty
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it seems again similar to touch ID
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between first and second generations and
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maybe close to the first but I have
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found that in you know I've had this
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phone now for a little less than a week
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and I have mostly adjusted myself to
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optimize face ID recognition you know
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both accuracy and speed like it did take
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some adjustment I do have to then you
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know have it faced me at a certain angle
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and everything get within a certain
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angle you know it's like every other IO
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iOS developer who has phones tethered to
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a lightning cable sitting on their desk
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most of the day running apps on it it is
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really annoying that it doesn't work
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while lying face-up on a desk because
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the angle is just too steep to see you
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when you're sitting at the desk and it's
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like well you're you are right but I
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will say in the defense of this thing I
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was just venting that I've been
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pleasantly surprised by how aggressive
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the angle can be when it is sitting on a
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desk you are right that it does not work
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you know nearest reliably is like touch
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ID but I was surprised that at a
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reasonably extreme angle it would still
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unlock itself when it's on the desk so
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I'm not like directly over the phone I'm
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you know offset by like 30 40 50 degrees
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and it still was able to work which
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doesn't mean nothing of what I said
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makes you wrong all I'm saying is that
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even though it doesn't work as much as
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I'd like it worked better than I would
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have expected so I haven't been
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unlocking this phone with face it
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obviously because you only put one face
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in it in the faces my wife's on but what
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I have been doing is a watching her use
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her phone and be paying more attention I
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was doing this even before iPhone paying
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more attention to the way that I have
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changed how I use iOS devices in
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response to touch ID because we've all
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made changes to work with touch ID even
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if those changes are the sort of
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instinctive thing I do when I'm locking
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my phone that if it doesn't immediately
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unlock lift my finger and try again
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right or grabbing my phone in a way that
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my finger is on what would previously be
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a point was place to put my finger like
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before there was a
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sensor why would I be picking up my
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phone and having any fingers on the home
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button right unless that's how I'm gonna
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wake the phone up or something right so
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the but I have made adjustments in my
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life to become a touch ID to make it so
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you know to give me the final experience
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so that when I take out of my pocket I
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can start using it as soon as possible
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and a lot of those are like you're
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gripping the phone or in a weird way and
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then you touch this thing and then you
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immediately bring your thumb up to touch
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other stuff because you expect the thing
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to be unlocked the thing about face ID
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before we get into all the technical
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jumble of stuff is you have to address
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yourself in the same way but with touch
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ID what you were adjusting is where and
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when your fingers touch different parts
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of the phone with face ID you are
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potentially adjusting your entire body
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posture to a company to accommodate face
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ID like so when it's on your desk yeah
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it can work at pretty steep angles but
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for people who are accustomed to leaving
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their phone face up on a flat surface
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and waking and unlocking it with touch
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ID being glancing on something and
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putting it back to sleep that's not
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gonna work if you if the phone is like
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off to your right like it's by your
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right hand or whatever and you can just
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glance at it you have to kind of not Lee
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over your phone but you kind of got to
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get in the zone of the phone sensing and
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you can't put your finger in the zone or
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your hand in the zone you've got to put
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your head in the zone your head is
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connected to your neck which is
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connected to your body which means your
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entire body
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that's leaned over to be like hi phone
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and is impressively wide but you do need
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to get not getting the phone space but
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you kind of got a hover with the phone a
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little bit here I am phone and what I'm
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finding from watching my wife work with
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the phone and for most other people's
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stories is that a surprising number of
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people use their phones in a way that
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does not involve their face being over
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the screen of their phone casually on
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the arm of the sofa unlocking it even
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just waking it from sleeping glancing at
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but you can still do is you don't need
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to unlock it to do that while you're
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looking your notifications or whatever
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or really far down where you pull it out
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of your pocket like but your hands are
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still down by like your thighs and you
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just turn the phone up and look at
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whenever and it can't get your face from
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that angle or it's being blocked by your
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these are habits that will have to
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change for people to to use face ID
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because it's got to see your face right
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and maybe the second gen will be better
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about seeing your face and more
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distances and more angles but that is a
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change in habits which we expected but
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it's a change in habit that involves
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more of your body than the change in a
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house for touch of yeah I don't want to
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minimize the changes retouching because
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as I've been noticing them there's a lot
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of them and I find my characterization
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of how fast it is again just watching my
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wife do it because I can't be doing it
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myself well I did use the demos in the
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store which isn't we're just neat you
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can have a little thing that just you
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know you if you learned that your face
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then you just unlock this pointless
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screen that just says we recognized you
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I'm pretty surprised at how fast it is
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like a little bit of what Casey said
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being a computer nerd like you know what
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it must take to do this and it is all
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inspiring that they are able to award
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innate hardware and software and do this
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thing it's it's really fast like when I
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see my wife use her phone
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it really does look like with all the
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defining stories say which is like it's
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like that phone has no lock on it
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because when I see her phone you her use
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her phone and when everything works the
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way it's supposed to I never see her
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unlock her phone I see her pick up her
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phone swipe and start using it that's
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what I see her do I never I never see I
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don't even notice the little lock
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animation thing you it just seems like
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she picks up her phone in August you
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don't have a lock on that phone right
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that's how it's supposed to work but in
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all those other scenarios where your
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face can't be over your phone it's not
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like it works too slow or recognition
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fails it's like okay sorry can't I don't
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see a face anywhere around here so and
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then your fallback unfortunately is not
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touch ID which I said that unfortunately
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got me thinking about this too a phone
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with both touch ID and face Eddie would
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be bad for reasons that don't really
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have time to get into right now but when
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it's in all the positions that we've
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trained ourselves to be able to you know
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unlock and use with touch ID you've
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either got a loom over your phone a
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little bit more or change your habits to
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bring your phone a little bit more
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closer or don't leave it flat on the
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table or whatever and I think this
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trade-off will be worth it but for now
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it seems I don't know I don't know
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I wish I could have had my wife come on
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the show and see what she really thinks
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but she's only use it for a short period
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of time but her only really strict
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complaints and these are things that
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give you fix and software is it doesn't
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work when she's laying down in bed
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because I think it just doesn't work
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sideways is that been your experience
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yeah yeah it it doesn't work in port in
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landscape but when I am laying down and
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the phone is figuratively stand down it
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doesn't work in that drives me bananas
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cuz I use my phone like that a lot
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yeah not and she's doing it laying on
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her side to be clear so that in bed and
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pulls the phone off for a nightstand and
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there's no reason it can't work like
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that it should work fine like distances
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are all fine good view of the face blah
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blah blah unless your face is squished
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into the pillow make me I guess and
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doesn't have a good angle a side of it
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feels like it should work like that so
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that's one annoyance and she did have
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some complaints about using you in the
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dark but I I think that's mostly about
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angle and distance because the phone
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doesn't care about the dark because face
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IDs done entirely and IR and IR doesn't
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care about the dark that's my is that
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right am I getting that right yeah yeah
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and although IR I'd also like to build
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on that and say so when I'm in bed I I
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don't have my contact lenses in because
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I wear hard contacts because my eyes are
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really weird
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and what I'll notice is in order to see
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well I'll have the phone extremely close
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to my face like uncomfortably for any
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normal person close to my face and and
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it's way too close for face ID and
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that's kind of annoying to like not
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annoying enough that that it it didn't
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occur to me until you said something
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about it but that's also a little
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frustrating but I feel like I'm pooping
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all over face ID
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it is a mainly truly even as a consumer
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it is amazing what's happening and then
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once you layer on top of that like John
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and I were both saying you know how much
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computational how many computational
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things just how much effort must this
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take to work how can it possibly be
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working this quickly and battery power
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like you know it's like spraying your
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face with this ion the IR flood
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illuminator and the dot thing and then
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you're using that the
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the IR camera to pick up the dots and
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then you're processing them it's like
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it's like the being paralyzed by that
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first voice-activated phone tree you're
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like what but how how can this even work
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and but I said when it works when I
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watch my wife use her phone and it works
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it's like her phone does not have a lock
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and from her maybe I'm consciously
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making sure that it's got a view of my
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face I'm hoping that will become like
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Marco said more or less second nature
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and we will all adjusted our body
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posture to always make sure the camera
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can see us and it's pretty forgiving
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like if you get the impression of like
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oh I have to be in just the right
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position you don't like you just happen
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to be remotely in the ballpark and it
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gets the job done that's what's so
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amazing about it you feel like it
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couldn't possibly even read my face
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because I wasn't even I wasn't even
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paying attention to like exactly what
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viewer gets of my face like I'm just
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kind of used in my phone normally like
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if you're if you're in the ballpark of
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holding your phone and looking at it in
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any way this is with attention on I
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haven't tried to turn attention off it
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is pretty magical and in fact I think
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the I have she's told me face ID has
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failed for her several times mostly what
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I've seen happen is I've seen her miss
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the home swipe many more times than I've
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seen her fail face ID I don't know if
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that means is one is more likely than
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the other or maybe you just go home more
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often like you unlock it once but you go
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home seven times during that session or
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whatever but I will I don't think you
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just survey her this is bad because I
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mean this is all secondhand account
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because again I have never trained this
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thing on my face and she'll probably
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never let me do that so I'll just have
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to live vicariously but you two will be
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the real guinea pigs to see two weeks
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from now have you completely adjusted
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your entire body posture around face ID
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or and here's the real thing what
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happens when face ID doesn't work like
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you're laying down in bed or Casey's got
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his phone really close to his face I do
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that too because my vision is bad not as
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bad as Casey's but it's still pretty bad
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the fallback is like okay I couldn't get
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faced I need to work and it's not just
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because like it was at the wrong angle
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like I'm not gonna sit up on my bed to
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get face lady to look the fallback is
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you have to type in your passcode right
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so the real test is preface ID I typed
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through my passcode this number of times
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for a day post space ID two weeks later
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a month later how many times per day do
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I type in my passcode I'm gonna say that
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pre you know like I'm
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still preface ad with my touch ID iPhone
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7 the only time I type in my passcode is
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when it insists that I do so because
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like it's either than 48 hours since I
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unlocked it or it's like an OS update or
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something I don't think there is any
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time even with wet hands with wet hands
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I will do the thing where you remove
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your thumb put it down remove your thumb
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and put it down try it out I will I will
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do a surprising number of attempts of
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like wiping my finger or whatever that
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would do anything to avoid typing it
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very long passcode right and so I
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basically never type in my passcode
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but when face ID fails if it fails her
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reason that you know like is not there's
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no help like you don't want to sit up in
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bed the next thing you do is probably a
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resign yourselves type in your passcode
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which means no more giant alphanumeric
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pass codes because you'll drive yourself
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insane because who wants to like when
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you're laying down sideways in bed and
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you're all groggy you do not want to
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type out a 17 digit alphanumeric
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punctuation capital and lowercase
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passcode that super security you feel
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awesome nobody wants to do that
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downgrade to a shorter numeric passcode
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or you will really start to hate face ID
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because there is no other option it's
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not like well face ID failed I guess you
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can use touch of it you can't like it's
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face ID or it's typing oh I actually
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have a tangential question about this so
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what is the best protocol for when
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somebody has grabbed my phone and looked
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at it which is not unreasonable maybe I
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asked them to look at it or something
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like that but face ID has recognized
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them and the phone is still on and then
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they hand the phone to me and then I
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enter my password is it that the the
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other person's face is different enough
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that it's not gonna train on their face
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do you know what I mean because my
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understanding is I had an item in their
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notes about that because there was that
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uh the video or whatever where two
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siblings who they're not twins but two
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siblings who look very alike said hey
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look at this my brother whoever was can
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not the same person right and what was
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happening in that scenario is it's one
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brother's phone and he's got trained on
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his face
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it works fine and the other brother
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tries to unlock it and it doesn't work
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because he's got a different face but
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then he types in his brother's passcode
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which he knows and enters the phone and
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that happens a few time and so the
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theory goes what he's doing is
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essentially trained like Casey was
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saying he is training the phone like Oh
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silly phone you said you couldn't
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recognize this face but because I
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immediately enter the passcode what I'm
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telling you phone is no no it's me it's
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me the owner of the phone so that face
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that you just tried to recognize that
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you said was not the right face it
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obviously was the right face because I
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just unlocked the phone I'm assuming
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just like Casey said that this training
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only happens if the face is close to the
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face that it knows but not quite so that
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it if an entirely different person whose
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face is nothing like yours tries to use
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face ID fails but then enters your code
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which I've done a little eyeful at many
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times because it always fails because my
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face has never succeeded in unlocking
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your phone but I have unlocked your
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phone many many times over the course of
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setting it up and playing with it and
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you know practicing my home gestures and
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all the other things that I do with
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their phone right I am pretty sure that
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I am not messing up her training because
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my face is too different from her things
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and that the phone is not going to
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accept the fact that I unlocked after
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face ID failed as additional training
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data I don't know that for a fact but
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that seems like the logical thing to do
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an apple is a smart company so I think
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both things are smart thing is both to
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ignore my face cuz is different and also
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it's smart to train on that brothers
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face which so if you have a sibling who
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looks a lot like you do not let them
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repeatedly pick up your phone and fail
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face ID and then to the coat because it
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may eventually learn that this alternate
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face that's kind of like yours is also
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and it just looks different from time to
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time so don't do that so L bruise from
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the chat has pulled this quote which i
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think is from the face ID security guide
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which we'll put in the show notes
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if face ID fails to recognize you but
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the match quality is higher than a
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certain threshold and you immediately
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follow the failure by entering your
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passcode face ID makes and takes another
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capture so interesting so that's only
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once the pass codes been entered so at
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this point it would be of me anyway yeah
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yeah you have to successfully enter the
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pass code like if someone knows your
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passcode like the sibling knew the
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passcode yeah and so this is saying it
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has to pass a threshold so that's
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I am not training my own to recognize me
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right but you know I'm on a different
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point I had assumed that it took the so
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so the our order of operations is
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picture it takes a picture of Erin
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because she's the one that's trying to
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open the phone says you're not Casey the
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phone's handed to me and I enter the
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code what what I'm reading here is that
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it actually takes a second picture I had
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assumed it was still working off that
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original picture of Aaron but this says
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a face ID fails to recognize you but the
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match equalities heart of them certain
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threshold you immediately follow the
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failure by entering a passcode face ID
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takes another capture and augments it's
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enrolled face ID data with a newly
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calculated mathematical representation
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yeah because you because it's facing
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your face for the new capture but if she
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knew your code and she entered your code
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it's still not gonna pass the threshold
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it's not gonna pass the threshold so the
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match you know it's higher than a
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certain throat hers is not within the
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thresholds of learning of your face I'm
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assuming because yeah different yeah I
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hear you one one of the other things
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that's been really great about face ID
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is it has been surprisingly willing
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almost uncomfortably willing to unlock
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when my face is occluded or or otherwise
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messed with and by that I mean I often
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have a finger like on my chin or I maybe
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have a finger in my mouth cuz I'm biting
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my nails are doing something I shouldn't
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be doing or well I went to a football
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game the day after we got the phones and
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I had like a hat on and I didn't have a
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hat on I had a hat in a hood and then
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just a hood and so now granted a lot of
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this is over your face but as in above
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my face but my point is and you got your
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weekend beard do it this is a multi this
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and this might be a multi-month beard at
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this point but it's gonna go soon
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when spring is whenever we're really
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close to sprigs time of arrival I'm
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going to shave it all off cuz sprig is
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gonna beat me as I should be met which
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is without hair on my face eyes aren't
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gonna work for a while you know that is
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that this is how we played this game
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before you know how this guy is but
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anyway the point is it did a really
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really good job and continues to do a
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very good job of being willing to unlock
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when portions of my face are
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are occluded and so like maybe I'm
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resting my hand on my chin and my my
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fingers are kind of rolled up and in
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front of my mouth you know or something
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like that it's it's done a very very
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good job surprisingly good job of
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rolling with that to the point that it
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almost feels like and I bet this isn't
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true but it almost feels like the maybe
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eyes or or cheekbones are the things
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that matter most to face ID because it's
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rare that I'll have my hand in front of
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my eyes are like up on my cheekbones or
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anything like that but it is not unusual
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for me to have my fam I hands in or
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around my mouth and so I don't know if
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that's true but it just feels like eyes
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and cheekbones matter a lot more than
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mouth the the mouth area if you will so
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on the topic of Aaron saying that things
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just seem slower what I thought she
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might have been getting at before you
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went off to describe the home
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multitasking thing which I totally agree
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with is the animations and I realize I
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probably only say that because I run
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reduce motion and have for really a long
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time so my iPhone 7 doesn't do almost
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any animations everything is these silly
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crossfades right but here's the thing
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about the iPhone 10 well first of all
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using in its and it's like default out
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of the box thing the animations do not
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bother me as much as they did on the 7
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and I guess the 6 or whatever like and
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why don't they bother me like they're
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even more egregious even more like
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swooping you like your things are flying
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in from here and going out to there I
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think they bothered me less because the
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gesture I'm performing for example to go
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back to the homescreen swiping up from
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the bottom matches with the idea of
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chucking the current app back into its
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little Heidi home inside the icon you
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don't I mean like how it flies into the
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icon yeah right and so I'm doing
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something that matches the gesture
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versus I press the button and everything
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went shrinky zoomy right they feel
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disconnected again I've it's not my
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phone I've just played with it a lot
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like but it doesn't bother me as much
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but I'm like ok well even though it
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doesn't bother me if I got an iPhone 10
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I'm sure I've returned under his motion
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so let me go into settings in turn I'm
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reduced No
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I doubt either one of you have tried
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this but if you introduce motion on this
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loan very strange things happen and
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there's not really good solution to make
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them not strange you turn on reduce
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motion what happens is this you're in an
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app you do the home gesture to get back
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to home and it starts to make as you
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swipe up it starts to make the app that
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you're in kind of fly upwards and start
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heading back into its little icon home
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but then abruptly once that animation
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has started it switches to a crossfade
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and I thought oh let's do it why don't
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they just do the crossfade the whole
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time but because of the way the
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multitasking gesture like you know you
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can do it slow or whatever like I think
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it has to start the animation because if
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it didn't start the animation like if if
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it was going back to home screen you
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could say oh I'll just wait until you
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cross the threshold of oh I see you're
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under the home screen and I'll cross
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fade with doing no animation before him
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but if you're going for the multitasking
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switcher one says oh they're not going
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to the home screen this is slow enough
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for me to bring up the multi Texas which
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was then it's gonna be like oh crap I
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didn't do it I haven't been doing any
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animations this whole time and they're
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activating the multi-thousand switcher
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quick catch up and make it look like
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they're animated up to the point where
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their thumb is and that would be weird
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too so if you turn and go turn it on on
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iphone 10 turn reduce motion now and do
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the home gesture and just look at what
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it does it is a mess it is an animation
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mess it's half one animation interrupted
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by a crossfade and honestly I think if I
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had an iPhone 10 I would not turn on
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reduce motion because that just it
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doesn't feel faster like a half an
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animation but that feels worse than like
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the full animation and I don't have a
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good solution so I like Apple did
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something dumb here I don't know what
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they can do to fix this problem I think
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we just all have to use the animations
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and like it which I realized you to do
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anyway but I haven't been so I don't
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know I have an animation dilemma with
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the iPhone 10 I think maybe you know in
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the same way that before iOS 7 we
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realized that we had kind of gone too
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far with skeuomorphism I think we might
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be at that point with animations where
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like the the amount of
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unnecessary and almost like overly
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exuberant animations that we have for
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common actions in iOS 11 I think is a
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little excessive like one of the weird
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things is like when you go to the home
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screen how your wallpaper kind of like
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slams up from beneath I guess like it's
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a very it looks very weird and jarring
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and I've never seen that one because it
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may need a hundred percent black
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background actually recently switched to
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100% black background in part for that
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and in part because it just looks so
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awesome on the OLED screen I've always
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had a black back right but didn't you
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not weren't you not able to have a
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background in the early days of iPhone
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on us yeah it wasn't until I think iOS 4
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that you could have a background at all
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and it was and before that it was
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hundreds on black right yep yep so I
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think that's why I never changed once
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you could get a background I think I
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tried some backgrounds couldn't find
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them they I like them like well
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everything's been under percent black
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for us let me try that and and that's it
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and now I've been using how to present
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black and the great thing is in iOS 11
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you don't have to upload a black image
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like I've had to do for every person
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yeah finally they have a solid color
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section and black is available to you
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and yeah it does look great oh no way
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but but no they didn't notice that the
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slamming and so like it comes up from
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below kind of yeah it's it's almost as
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though you're falling onto your
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wallpaper it's very it's a very jarring
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animation and I really don't like it and
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and yeah tips if comes out of it - it's
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a very weird thing anyway so I hope that
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we have reached the point with
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animations now where we can start to
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pull back it's almost it's almost part
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of what I was saying last week about how
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I wish Apple would have like a maybe a
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more confident design in that like
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confident in the way they don't they
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don't need to show off that like that
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they know they're good and they don't
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need to show off how good they are to
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the world they could just be good right
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I feel like a lot of these animations
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now have gotten to the point where they
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are just showing off like this a
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designer showing off and it's it's
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getting annoying how do you do the most
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attacking gesture if without animations
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that's what I'm stuck on like if if you
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do not change the way you get into the
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multitasking switcher how do you do that
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with no animations because like you can
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do the home screen
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quick swipe up from the bottom and we
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cross straight to the home screen or we
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just bring the home screen up right but
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a slow swipe up from the bottom bring
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you into multitasking like I don't know
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maybe though it would feel kind of
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disconnected like what I get what you're
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saying about the animations going too
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far and again if someone who's
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run-throughs motion all the time I am
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NOT a fan of animation but I was
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surprised by how much I liked the
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animations in the 10 because they were
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connected to things my fingers were
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doing and like Twitter if ik and lots of
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other applications where they actually
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make the animation track your finger I
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don't know if the iOS 11 ones are doing
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that on the iPhone 10 but they feel like
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they're tracking your finger and that
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feels good that it doesn't feel like
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you're a triggering animation it feels
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like you are moving things on the screen
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which is a big kind of like sideswipe
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going from screens and like home screens
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on springboard right the reason that
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feels so good is you you don't feel like
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you are triggering the slide in
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animation you feel like you're moving
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the screen you feel like you're moving
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the icons with your finger and it's such
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a big difference and so I'm actually a
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pretty big fan of the animations maybe I
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wouldn't be if I didn't have a black
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backer and I had seen that slamming and
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I think I would still prefer reduce
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motion if implemented like it is on the
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7 and earlier phones where it's just you
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know like you really are treating
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animations and they're all crossfades
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but I think there's something to be said
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for a UI that is so fundamentally based
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on swipey crap having that's my crap
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make you feel like you're moving things
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on the screen rather than triggering an
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animation I've still prefer no
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animations at all but I honestly I'd
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with this many swipes I don't know how I
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don't know how you pull it off and don't
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make you feel like disconnected from you
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know like that you are just drawing
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magic spells and hieroglyphics on the
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screen and your magic incantations
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caused things to change but there's no
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real connection between them like it's
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yeah and I don't think it has to be that
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I don't think it has to be dramatically
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like no animations ever again like I
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just think the animations need to be
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toned down you know we've gone too far
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they need to be brought back a little
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bit you know that and and not totally
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removed like so many of these things
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like whole new tasks and everything yeah
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they should be animated like that and
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most of the things that are animated now
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should still be animated it's just a
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question of what that animation is and
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how many
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things are happening when it happens and
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how long does it take these things could
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all use some
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all use some
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tweaking I think you know so and and
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some restraint yeah the homescreen is
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probably the best example because what
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you want to happen is I want to go to
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the home screen but you don't need to
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see the home screen assemble itself like
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you know like like a deconstructed
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sandwich a fruit from the restroom
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