The Accidental Tech Podcast

247: A Place to Stick Your Gum


00:00:00   fun fact listeners Syracuse is a much [TS]

00:00:02   funnier person than you would ever [TS]

00:00:03   expect like you hear bits of that on the [TS]

00:00:06   show but born to laughing at me way than [TS]

00:00:08   a laughing no that's not true [TS]

00:00:10   that's not try really like but no really [TS]

00:00:17   it he is way funnier in person when when [TS]

00:00:21   not performing as you have as we are all [TS]

00:00:23   doing that you trying to say I'm not [TS]

00:00:25   funny on the podcast he's way funnier [TS]

00:00:27   than he is in his podcast it's not what [TS]

00:00:30   I was going for but if you wanna I'm too [TS]

00:00:32   tired to argue with you so yes let's [TS]

00:00:36   start as we have to do with follow up TV [TS]

00:00:38   OS 11.2 beta is out tell me about the [TS]

00:00:42   output format switching mr. siracusa if [TS]

00:00:45   you please not only is it out but I [TS]

00:00:47   actually got the the update I don't know [TS]

00:00:50   what caused me to get it but I check for [TS]

00:00:52   updates in there it was and I was very [TS]

00:00:53   excited so I immediately went into that [TS]

00:00:54   settings screen that lets you say match [TS]

00:00:57   source format framerate or whatever and [TS]

00:01:00   then the HDR one does not apply to me so [TS]

00:01:02   I couldn't just try that one and then I [TS]

00:01:06   played a movie and my television [TS]

00:01:09   switched to what it displays as 24 Hertz [TS]

00:01:13   but isn't really true because I'm pretty [TS]

00:01:15   sure it's in some multiple that refresh [TS]

00:01:17   rate but anyway it works it really [TS]

00:01:19   really works ray of course with the [TS]

00:01:22   movie I tried it with was a movie I [TS]

00:01:24   purchased on iTunes so I was using [TS]

00:01:26   Apple's built-in movie app which I [TS]

00:01:28   assumed would have been updated to news [TS]

00:01:29   the new api's and I guess it has been I [TS]

00:01:31   haven't had time to try it with Plex and [TS]

00:01:35   infused and all the other things because [TS]

00:01:37   I just assumed they would not have had [TS]

00:01:38   time to update but I'm just gonna wait [TS]

00:01:40   until 11.2 is out and try them as well [TS]

00:01:43   so I'm happy about this and I'm one step [TS]

00:01:46   closer to the probably terrible mistake [TS]

00:01:48   of losslessly ripping all of my blu-rays [TS]

00:01:51   so that I can watch them on demand [TS]

00:01:53   without touching a blu-ray disc at full [TS]

00:01:55   quality but we'll see how that goes and [TS]

00:01:57   one additional note from this Joe [TS]

00:01:59   rosensteil has confirmed confirmed a [TS]

00:02:02   while ago and now is in the process of [TS]

00:02:03   complaining and finally radars with [TS]

00:02:05   Apple about the fact that the previous [TS]

00:02:07   generation Apple TV then not 4k Apple TV [TS]

00:02:10   doesn't get these features [TS]

00:02:13   whomp-whomp for me and also it doesn't [TS]

00:02:15   apparently get a manual 24 frames per [TS]

00:02:17   second option and like I said a couple [TS]

00:02:18   shows ago I don't get a manual 24 frames [TS]

00:02:21   per second naturally either in earlier [TS]

00:02:22   versions of TV os even though my [TS]

00:02:24   television supports it but anyway all [TS]

00:02:28   these features are just for the fancy [TS]

00:02:29   new Apple TV 4k I don't think that's [TS]

00:02:32   unreasonable well it's the Apple way to [TS]

00:02:34   do things like why I keep supporting the [TS]

00:02:35   old thing right although as Todd busy [TS]

00:02:38   RIA unfortunately found out they still [TS]

00:02:40   sell the old one because he went to he [TS]

00:02:42   was trying to order an Apple TV 4k and [TS]

00:02:44   they didn't have any in stock so he went [TS]

00:02:45   to the store and bought one he got a [TS]

00:02:47   different size he would want to get the [TS]

00:02:48   big one I think what he got the small [TS]

00:02:49   one and brought it home only to find [TS]

00:02:51   that he just purchased the previous [TS]

00:02:53   generation Apple TV which looks very [TS]

00:02:56   much the same if you're not very careful [TS]

00:02:57   to look at the box and make sure it says [TS]

00:03:00   Apple TV 4k on it so that's a shame and [TS]

00:03:04   they course they continue to sell the [TS]

00:03:05   other one because it hits a price point [TS]

00:03:07   but they're not gonna support it with [TS]

00:03:08   the latest version they've CEOs in the [TS]

00:03:09   same way like maybe the technical reason [TS]

00:03:11   I can't really think of one but it's [TS]

00:03:13   conceivable there's some unknown [TS]

00:03:15   technical reason why they can't do the [TS]

00:03:17   switching but that's that's crappy they [TS]

00:03:20   also in the most Tim Cook move ever [TS]

00:03:22   didn't even lower the price of the now [TS]

00:03:24   two year old one when they brought out [TS]

00:03:25   the new you know the currency they have [TS]

00:03:28   it to hit a price point but it's a very [TS]

00:03:30   not competitive price point great new [TS]

00:03:35   minds what plus you've got inflation [TS]

00:03:37   right so it was a long time ago so [TS]

00:03:40   money's worth less now all right and [TS]

00:03:45   then tell me about AP FS snapshots as [TS]

00:03:47   used by Time Machine and software update [TS]

00:03:49   if you please there were a couple of [TS]

00:03:51   articles about this but eventually they [TS]

00:03:53   could all be traced back to a handy tech [TS]

00:03:56   note thing on Apple's own site to [TS]

00:03:58   explain how cool a PFS snapshots are [TS]

00:04:02   being used by Apple's software at the [TS]

00:04:04   very least so Time Machine is using them [TS]

00:04:08   I'm assuming I don't know if this [TS]

00:04:10   article says it but I'm assuming the [TS]

00:04:11   obvious thing to do is take a snapshot [TS]

00:04:13   and then do a Time Machine backup from [TS]

00:04:15   that snapshot so you don't get the weird [TS]

00:04:17   thing they used to get where a Time [TS]

00:04:19   Machine backups takes a half an hour to [TS]

00:04:21   run and files that are copied to the [TS]

00:04:23   beginning of the backup are 30 min [TS]

00:04:26   newer than files that are copied at the [TS]

00:04:27   end and you sort of get this weird image [TS]

00:04:29   of the disc that is like it's like a [TS]

00:04:31   rolling shutter on a phone right it's [TS]

00:04:33   like a rolling back up like I'll start [TS]

00:04:34   backing up and while I'm backing up [TS]

00:04:36   you're continuing to use your computer [TS]

00:04:37   but if I already backed up the file you [TS]

00:04:39   modify it I'll get it in the next backup [TS]

00:04:40   it's weird snapshots you'd have to do [TS]

00:04:42   that you can say shrink point-in-time [TS]

00:04:43   snapshot that's what I'm gonna back up [TS]

00:04:45   from that's exactly what this disk looks [TS]

00:04:47   like at a particular point in time and [TS]

00:04:48   it will back up from that but [TS]

00:04:50   additionally time machine takes [TS]

00:04:52   snapshots every 24 hours while your [TS]

00:04:55   computer is turned on and it takes a [TS]

00:04:57   snapshot every week as well and the [TS]

00:05:00   remember of snapshots are just like a [TS]

00:05:01   point in time on your disk it's not it's [TS]

00:05:03   not a backup to your time machine in [TS]

00:05:05   volume it's just snapshots of your [TS]

00:05:07   regular disk as it was and those are [TS]

00:05:11   convenient for like let me reach you can [TS]

00:05:12   you know run time machine even if you've [TS]

00:05:14   never had your time machine disk like [TS]

00:05:15   your external time machine disk attached [TS]

00:05:18   to your computer for a long time you can [TS]

00:05:19   still use time machine to recover things [TS]

00:05:21   from the local disk that were part of [TS]

00:05:24   those snapshots and I heard some report [TS]

00:05:27   someone saying I deleted a bunch of [TS]

00:05:28   stuff on my free disk space didn't go [TS]

00:05:30   down it really depends on how they were [TS]

00:05:32   checking their free disk space because [TS]

00:05:33   if you were checking it at the lowest [TS]

00:05:34   level that would be true because if you [TS]

00:05:36   make a snapshot and that snapshot [TS]

00:05:38   includes like a 4 gig file then you [TS]

00:05:40   delete that 4 gig file you don't get [TS]

00:05:43   that space back because that snapshot is [TS]

00:05:45   still holding on to those 4 gigs so that [TS]

00:05:47   you could if you wanted to recover that [TS]

00:05:49   file from the snapshot or whatever with [TS]

00:05:51   time machine so that's a case where if [TS]

00:05:52   you were getting your disc free disk [TS]

00:05:54   space the lowest level you would see [TS]

00:05:56   that I deleted this file why don't I get [TS]

00:05:57   the free space back but this tech note [TS]

00:05:59   has a thing at the end it says basically [TS]

00:06:01   you know are you worried about these [TS]

00:06:03   snapshots eating a disc case don't worry [TS]

00:06:05   because if we the operating system need [TS]

00:06:08   you know storage space gets low which is [TS]

00:06:10   what the tech note says snapshots are [TS]

00:06:12   automatically deleted starting with the [TS]

00:06:13   oldest and I'm quoting right girthy from [TS]

00:06:15   the document now that's why I find her [TS]

00:06:17   and get info windows don't include local [TS]

00:06:19   snapshots in their calculations of the [TS]

00:06:20   storage space available on disk so yet [TS]

00:06:22   another complication as foretold in many [TS]

00:06:24   past episodes of how a BFS was going to [TS]

00:06:26   make it much more complicated to even [TS]

00:06:28   display things like free space having to [TS]

00:06:31   do a bunch of math and subtract out the [TS]

00:06:33   space taken by snapshots and all the [TS]

00:06:35   other stuff so they just lie to you and [TS]

00:06:37   say oh yeah no we freed up at search but [TS]

00:06:39   they didn't they didn't [TS]

00:06:40   hurry it up unless you need more disk [TS]

00:06:42   space unless you really really need it [TS]

00:06:44   it won't delete the snapshots until [TS]

00:06:46   eating shop such as easy so I like ice [TS]

00:06:47   to delete a bunch of files it just says [TS]

00:06:48   okay forget about that snapshot all [TS]

00:06:50   those discs all those blocks that were [TS]

00:06:52   part of that snapshot that are not part [TS]

00:06:53   of any other snapshot are now free so [TS]

00:06:55   it's the magic of AP FS and I final note [TS]

00:06:58   on this this tech note which I think [TS]

00:06:59   everyone should read is it has it is [TS]

00:07:02   forced to explain the horrendous UI of [TS]

00:07:04   Time Machine [TS]

00:07:06   specifically the weird timeline [TS]

00:07:10   scrolling thing on the right with like [TS]

00:07:11   that like is it a little zooming [TS]

00:07:13   timeline some poor tech writer had to [TS]

00:07:16   had to write out if you have one of [TS]

00:07:19   these versions the operating systems a [TS]

00:07:20   bright red tech more tick mark means [TS]

00:07:22   this a dimmed red tick mark means that [TS]

00:07:24   if you have a different version the [TS]

00:07:26   operating system a great tick mark means [TS]

00:07:27   this a bright pink tick mark means this [TS]

00:07:30   and a dim it pink tick mark means this [TS]

00:07:32   word these are these colors are very [TS]

00:07:35   similar to that having I would never [TS]

00:07:37   have guessed all this stuff how you use [TS]

00:07:38   the interface many many times and [TS]

00:07:39   there's not a lot of text it's like time [TS]

00:07:42   machine good technology even though they [TS]

00:07:44   got rid of the swirling vortex which I [TS]

00:07:46   would argue is the best part of this [TS]

00:07:47   interface they got rid of that right [TS]

00:07:48   though it's not like ably frivolous but [TS]

00:07:50   the rest of the UI is not it's not great [TS]

00:07:53   I don't know what these colors mean I've [TS]

00:07:55   read this tech note I'm never gonna [TS]

00:07:56   remember this I don't know what dimmed [TS]

00:07:58   pink means what what is bright pink and [TS]

00:08:00   dimmed pink it's if you only have dimmed [TS]

00:08:03   pink how can you help them think and [TS]

00:08:04   it's not bright pink unless you have a [TS]

00:08:06   bright pink to compare it to this is a [TS]

00:08:07   bad interface Apple please work on this [TS]

00:08:10   oh wow how do you really feel John back [TS]

00:08:14   this time this is a time machine who's [TS]

00:08:16   just one of the many things that like as [TS]

00:08:18   we have gotten you know the transition [TS]

00:08:21   of the whole world and all that balls [TS]

00:08:23   focused to iOS it's one of the many [TS]

00:08:26   things on Mac OS I look at and it's I'm [TS]

00:08:28   just kind of sad that like if Mac OS was [TS]

00:08:31   was still getting seemingly meaningful [TS]

00:08:34   effort put into it this could be so much [TS]

00:08:37   more by now like this this could be so [TS]

00:08:39   much better but it just seems like most [TS]

00:08:41   of Mac OS is not only in maintenance [TS]

00:08:43   mode but seems to have the B team [TS]

00:08:45   working on it and it's just it makes me [TS]

00:08:47   sad and it's a little bit buggy too like [TS]

00:08:49   I spent time in the interface trying to [TS]

00:08:51   find things and sometimes it does weird [TS]

00:08:52   stuff and you just just shake [TS]

00:08:54   didn't try it for a second time and it [TS]

00:08:56   usually works a second time who knows [TS]

00:08:57   why it didn't work the first like [TS]

00:08:59   there's a lot of cool tech under there [TS]

00:09:00   and you could build lots of interesting [TS]

00:09:01   new eyes on top of it and the initial UI [TS]

00:09:03   was fun and cool and interesting and had [TS]

00:09:05   good ideas behind it simplified it but [TS]

00:09:07   the the way it's evolved our weather [TS]

00:09:10   hasn't evolved is kind of depressing [TS]

00:09:11   well one more minor part in this they do [TS]

00:09:13   take snapshots before software updates [TS]

00:09:15   as well I don't know if they do anything [TS]

00:09:16   with that like I don't know if is it if [TS]

00:09:18   there's any actual feature that says you [TS]

00:09:20   don't like the software update you did [TS]

00:09:22   don't worry we took a whole snapshot of [TS]

00:09:23   your disk and you can roll back to it [TS]

00:09:25   right now I don't think there's any UI [TS]

00:09:27   to that but if third-party tools have [TS]

00:09:31   enough access to snapshots they could [TS]

00:09:32   offer that option just by listing all [TS]

00:09:34   your snapshots um and same thing with [TS]

00:09:35   Time Machine there was a backup program [TS]

00:09:38   I don't know if it's still in [TS]

00:09:38   development called backup loop that was [TS]

00:09:41   like hey Time Machine is cool why don't [TS]

00:09:43   we make a cool powerful UI on top of it [TS]

00:09:45   for people who want to nerd out a little [TS]

00:09:48   bit more than is possible with the [TS]

00:09:49   default UI and that's the fun type of [TS]

00:09:53   stuff that's the third party opportunity [TS]

00:09:54   but also at this point the bill Tilghman [TS]

00:09:56   should be better - I don't I don't mind [TS]

00:09:58   time machine but I think it's because [TS]

00:10:00   I'm almost never in time machine so it [TS]

00:10:02   doesn't have I don't have to deal with [TS]

00:10:04   the crummy UI very often but did you [TS]

00:10:06   know about the dim dread no and the [TS]

00:10:08   bright pink no no no I didn't but now I [TS]

00:10:11   know and knowing is half don't know [TS]

00:10:13   that's the whole thing you didn't read [TS]

00:10:14   this document and even if you read it it [TS]

00:10:16   will just bounce off your brain there's [TS]

00:10:18   no way anybody remember this there [TS]

00:10:21   enough this is not a sponsor but we [TS]

00:10:24   wanted to take a moment out of our day [TS]

00:10:26   to call your attention to the app camp [TS]

00:10:28   fundraiser app camp for girls is a [TS]

00:10:30   organization that's near and dear to all [TS]

00:10:32   three of our hearts we tend to sponsor [TS]

00:10:35   their get-togethers WDC when we can and [TS]

00:10:38   they are trying to expand to three new [TS]

00:10:41   cities and they need a whole pile of [TS]

00:10:42   money to do that because doing this sort [TS]

00:10:44   of thing is not cheap so we will put a [TS]

00:10:47   link in the show notes to a fundraiser [TS]

00:10:50   on IndieGoGo that I have not yet had the [TS]

00:10:53   opportunity to back because I've been [TS]

00:10:54   traveling for work but I will do so as [TS]

00:10:57   soon as I am human again so anyway it [TS]

00:11:00   they are only about a little under [TS]

00:11:02   halfway there as we record today and it [TS]

00:11:06   would be pretty awesome if we made them [TS]

00:11:07   all [TS]

00:11:08   the way there by the time we record next [TS]

00:11:10   hint hint hint hint so app camp is a [TS]

00:11:13   great organization it does really great [TS]

00:11:15   work in trying to encourage young girls [TS]

00:11:17   to young young women to explore [TS]

00:11:20   technology and and you know try to maybe [TS]

00:11:22   see if they have a future in creating [TS]

00:11:25   the kind of apps that mark when I create [TS]

00:11:27   and they they're smart enough not to ask [TS]

00:11:29   these young girls to use pearl because [TS]

00:11:32   then they would never want to program [TS]

00:11:33   ever again so if you want to give money [TS]

00:11:35   to people who don't program in pearl [TS]

00:11:37   please feel free to check out this link [TS]

00:11:40   in the show notes and send them any of [TS]

00:11:41   your money even a dollar would help and [TS]

00:11:43   it would mean a lot to all three of us [TS]

00:11:45   you know they don't probably don't be [TS]

00:11:47   using pearl it's probably some framework [TS]

00:11:49   let's see right I always absent pearl [TS]

00:11:50   right one for every other language I'm [TS]

00:11:53   sure there's something on Sipan that [TS]

00:11:54   makes it work that's that's how it is [TS]

00:11:56   right we respond to this week by [TS]

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00:12:11   incredible they really do print photos [TS]

00:12:14   on pieces of glass and they print it on [TS]

00:12:17   the backside of a thin piece of glass so [TS]

00:12:18   the side that you see is very slightly [TS]

00:12:20   glossy but not so much that it's like to [TS]

00:12:22   glare your reflected like you see the [TS]

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00:12:26   really brings out the color and contrast [TS]

00:12:28   of the photos and they just look great [TS]

00:12:30   they look modern because they go edge to [TS]

00:12:32   edge you don't need any kind of frame or [TS]

00:12:34   mat it is a completed thing so like you [TS]

00:12:37   know before you'd have to like get [TS]

00:12:38   things framed and it was expensive and [TS]

00:12:40   time-consuming kind of a pain and the [TS]

00:12:41   things we get there be so heavy fracture [TS]

00:12:44   prints or nothing like that they are [TS]

00:12:45   affordable they are great values they [TS]

00:12:47   look great they go edge to edge and [TS]

00:12:49   they're actually very lightweight [TS]

00:12:50   because the glass is nice and thin and [TS]

00:12:52   it's in front of this little kind of [TS]

00:12:53   like foam board backing to make it [TS]

00:12:55   easier to hang so furniture prints are [TS]

00:12:57   incredibly practical and they look great [TS]

00:13:00   we get tons of compliments on them all [TS]

00:13:01   around our house we also give them as [TS]

00:13:03   gifts very often if you have someone in [TS]

00:13:05   your life who you want to give photos to [TS]

00:13:06   as gift maybe it's a grandparent or [TS]

00:13:09   something like that that you know giving [TS]

00:13:10   photos of your family this is a very [TS]

00:13:12   common thing and fracture prints are [TS]

00:13:14   wonderful for gifts people love them the [TS]

00:13:17   only thing is every fracture is handmade [TS]

00:13:19   and what that means is they can get [TS]

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00:13:23   people actually making these things from [TS]

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00:14:08   for sponsoring our show so let's talk [TS]

00:14:14   about ask ATP Nathan Wallace writes in [TS]

00:14:16   now that you have iPhones 10 in hand is [TS]

00:14:19   it iPhones 10 I know that's the way they [TS]

00:14:21   usually do a cut no it's iPhone 10s [TS]

00:14:24   exactly I just know that the Apple [TS]

00:14:26   guidance is always so bananas anyway now [TS]

00:14:29   that you have iPhones 10 in hand are you [TS]

00:14:31   using or wanting to use a case with it [TS]

00:14:32   which cases are you using things I'll [TS]

00:14:35   start off if you recall my iPhone 7 was [TS]

00:14:38   the first phone in a long time that I [TS]

00:14:40   had naked and I paid the price because I [TS]

00:14:43   dropped it on the pavement and shattered [TS]

00:14:45   my first screen luckily I had Apple care [TS]

00:14:47   and so that was taken care of and then I [TS]

00:14:50   quickly scratched the screen within [TS]

00:14:52   about two weeks of getting it replaced [TS]

00:14:53   which is delightful anyway for the [TS]

00:14:56   iPhone 10 it's apparently I don't recall [TS]

00:14:59   if we talked about this last episode of [TS]

00:15:00   a pair it's like $200 or something like [TS]

00:15:02   that to do a front screen replacement [TS]

00:15:05   and something like $500 to do a back [TS]

00:15:10   glass replacement yes I mean we didn't [TS]

00:15:12   talk about it you're very tired yeah but [TS]

00:15:16   anyway so the point is that it's [TS]

00:15:18   extremely expensive to replace anything [TS]

00:15:19   on this phone I personally have not [TS]

00:15:21   ordered Apple care for my phone I've [TS]

00:15:24   been debating it and I don't think I [TS]

00:15:26   will which we can play this clip when I [TS]

00:15:27   inevitably break this phone in a few [TS]

00:15:29   months but I have put the official Apple [TS]

00:15:32   leather case on it I do quite like the [TS]

00:15:35   Appl other cases however the thing that [TS]

00:15:39   bothers me about the most cases [TS]

00:15:41   including the Apple leather case is that [TS]

00:15:43   it makes doing gestures from the edge of [TS]

00:15:45   the screen considerably more difficult [TS]

00:15:46   and that bums me out but otherwise it's [TS]

00:15:50   a nice case it's expensive it's like 50 [TS]

00:15:51   bucks but it's a nice case Marco what do [TS]

00:15:54   you got going on I am also caseless [TS]

00:15:58   that's almost case ulis I bet you [TS]

00:16:00   haven't thought of that many times sorry [TS]

00:16:03   yeah I'm also going caseless I I too was [TS]

00:16:06   cased only with the 6 and 6s not before [TS]

00:16:10   or after the 7 I got in jet-black as it [TS]

00:16:13   was grippy and I love that the 10 is you [TS]

00:16:16   know with the glass back and the smooth [TS]

00:16:19   metal sides the I would say overall so [TS]

00:16:22   far it does not seem as grippy as the [TS]

00:16:26   iPhone 7 but it's not as slippery as the [TS]

00:16:28   6 and 6s so I'm a little well slow down [TS]

00:16:30   they'll slow down though it is way [TS]

00:16:32   grippier than my beautiful but bar of [TS]

00:16:35   soap matte black or whatever they call [TS]

00:16:38   yeah yeah iPhone 7 right yeah just [TS]

00:16:41   whatever it was called but the jet black [TS]

00:16:44   is obviously a whole different animal [TS]

00:16:45   I'm not trying to argue that but if you [TS]

00:16:47   happen to be coming from a matte black [TS]

00:16:49   iPhone or you know whatever the [TS]

00:16:51   equivalent was that I would say that the [TS]

00:16:54   iPhone 10 is considerably more grippy [TS]

00:16:56   than that but it sounds like you're [TS]

00:16:58   saying mark oh it is less grippy than [TS]

00:17:00   the jet black that's what it feels like [TS]

00:17:02   so far you know it could just because [TS]

00:17:04   like it's new and doesn't have all my [TS]

00:17:06   hand oil on it firm from a year worth of [TS]

00:17:08   handle just really gross but that's how [TS]

00:17:10   it works yeah it could be that you know [TS]

00:17:12   the end but you know compared to the jet [TS]

00:17:14   black it is not as grippy and it could [TS]

00:17:15   also be that like while the glass is [TS]

00:17:17   kind of grippy the sides are now just [TS]

00:17:20   regular metal again and so they're not [TS]

00:17:22   so it could be that I don't know I have [TS]

00:17:25   considered looking into some kind of [TS]

00:17:28   like film or maybe like a little stick [TS]

00:17:31   on like leather thing just for the back [TS]

00:17:34   of it with not even the sides like they [TS]

00:17:36   may you know they make is like kind of [TS]

00:17:37   single panel decals or stickers or [TS]

00:17:39   protectors for phones generally so I was [TS]

00:17:42   think about doing that just to make them [TS]

00:17:43   back a little bit grippier 4n just for a [TS]

00:17:45   small amount of protection I too did not [TS]

00:17:48   get AppleCare as I [TS]

00:17:49   plain last week so I figure like you [TS]

00:17:53   know I'll see how it goes if I drop it [TS]

00:17:55   you everyone can make fun of me and [TS]

00:17:57   maybe I'll start you know spending $200 [TS]

00:17:59   a year at Apple care from that point [TS]

00:18:00   forward but right but I mean it's tilt [TS]

00:18:03   like until I start typing my phones that [TS]

00:18:05   I I'm coming out ahead by not doing that [TS]

00:18:07   so you're still doing your math wrong [TS]

00:18:09   you have to drop your phone enough times [TS]

00:18:11   to equal all the $200 all the money you [TS]

00:18:13   would have paid for all your phones it's [TS]

00:18:15   not $200 for each one because they used [TS]

00:18:16   to be cheaper but you have to add up all [TS]

00:18:18   that money and then if you wanted to try [TS]

00:18:20   to balance the scales you should really [TS]

00:18:21   only start buying Apple care after you [TS]

00:18:23   match that amount right exactly and so [TS]

00:18:25   far I haven't had to do that yet and an [TS]

00:18:27   ad like I would have to I would have to [TS]

00:18:29   pay full price for a lot of replacements [TS]

00:18:31   to make my policy worth reconsidering [TS]

00:18:33   and and also you know cases are also [TS]

00:18:35   part of that deal like cases are 50 [TS]

00:18:37   bucks at least you know for like for a [TS]

00:18:39   decent one from Apple or you know a [TS]

00:18:40   decent from anybody else you know you're [TS]

00:18:43   generally looking at around that price [TS]

00:18:44   range so like this stuff that you know [TS]

00:18:46   you're paying for all these protective [TS]

00:18:48   things but you're paying a lot for that [TS]

00:18:50   protection and so you really have to be [TS]

00:18:52   breaking things on a regular basis to [TS]

00:18:55   make that to make you come out ahead [TS]

00:18:56   with that so anyway I am caseless you [TS]

00:18:59   are case ulis I you are also caseless [TS]

00:19:03   and I don't know I'm not caseless this [TS]

00:19:06   time I was that's right I am I'm rocking [TS]

00:19:09   the black leather this time yeah how so [TS]

00:19:11   so how is it it's like every other black [TS]

00:19:13   leather leather case I've had I mean I [TS]

00:19:15   like it it's very nice but like about [TS]

00:19:17   the same one that they've been making [TS]

00:19:17   since the sexes Bailey absolutely yeah I [TS]

00:19:22   mean I choose black because when it [TS]

00:19:25   wears it doesn't really look any [TS]

00:19:26   different I know there's a lot of people [TS]

00:19:28   that like what is it like saddle brown [TS]

00:19:30   or whatever and once it gets worn it it [TS]

00:19:33   kind of gets that that that I don't know [TS]

00:19:36   I don't know how to describe it's not [TS]

00:19:37   really patina but it has that like look [TS]

00:19:38   to it and I know a lot of people that [TS]

00:19:40   really like that that's not really my [TS]

00:19:41   cup of tea [TS]

00:19:43   and I personally like a very quiet case [TS]

00:19:46   in the sense of visually quiet so I've [TS]

00:19:48   always had black leather cases my curly [TS]

00:19:51   is apparently I don't know if he's [TS]

00:19:52   received it at this point but it was [TS]

00:19:53   looking into getting a bumper which [TS]

00:19:55   actually sounded really interesting to [TS]

00:19:57   me I don't think it would be what I [TS]

00:19:58   would choose because that especially [TS]

00:20:00   that back glass if you shatter that [TS]

00:20:02   that's a bad day so I'm I'm gonna stick [TS]

00:20:05   with the black leather case and we'll [TS]

00:20:07   see how that goes [TS]

00:20:08   the other thing with any kind of case [TS]

00:20:10   and bumper is that it does interfere [TS]

00:20:12   with the side gestures and even though [TS]

00:20:16   like you know and once you get one like [TS]

00:20:17   you know I use my 6 and 6s the entire [TS]

00:20:19   time I had them with with apples other [TS]

00:20:21   case and and you do get used to it and [TS]

00:20:23   but but it does make the swipe in from [TS]

00:20:26   the side gesture a little harder to do [TS]

00:20:28   and it gives you a little less room to [TS]

00:20:30   do it and also it just collected dust [TS]

00:20:31   around that edge and everything it's I [TS]

00:20:33   don't I just I prefer not to use a case [TS]

00:20:35   unless I really have to or unless I feel [TS]

00:20:37   like I really have to and so far with [TS]

00:20:38   the 10 I don't think I'll need it the [TS]

00:20:41   only thing that makes me nervous is just [TS]

00:20:43   how expensive it is to repair and that [TS]

00:20:46   it is a new size that I'm still getting [TS]

00:20:47   used to holding and using so I'll get to [TS]

00:20:49   that later on in the show a little bit [TS]

00:20:51   but but so far I think I'm gonna [TS]

00:20:53   probably stay either caseless or with [TS]

00:20:57   some kind of minimal like stick on decal [TS]

00:20:59   thing on the back just to increase grip [TS]

00:21:01   alright moving on [TS]

00:21:03   John you do not have an iPhone 10 in [TS]

00:21:05   hand is that correct I thought you were [TS]

00:21:06   gonna move on like last week where Marco [TS]

00:21:08   edited out the part where I said whether [TS]

00:21:09   or not I got Apple Care Plus just it was [TS]

00:21:17   all about your wife it wasn't even about [TS]

00:21:19   yours so it wasn't you know that's the [TS]

00:21:21   iPhone 10 we're talking about it's the [TS]

00:21:22   only one I have I didn't get one anyway [TS]

00:21:25   to reiterate we got Apple Care Plus [TS]

00:21:28   because my wife drops her phone she [TS]

00:21:29   drops her previous one twice also on the [TS]

00:21:31   leather case the leather case for the 7 [TS]

00:21:33   is way better than the level the other [TS]

00:21:35   case for the 6 was if they change to [TS]

00:21:38   like metal volume buttons that poked out [TS]

00:21:40   through where is the 6 headlock these [TS]

00:21:41   lumps in the leather I don't know what [TS]

00:21:43   the leather case for the 10 is but I can [TS]

00:21:45   tell you the leather case for the 7 is [TS]

00:21:47   big upgrade over the 6 for all the [TS]

00:21:49   buttons and I heard people saying they [TS]

00:21:51   really like the leather case for the 10 [TS]

00:21:52   that it had like aluminum buttons or [TS]

00:21:54   whatever same thing with it with the 7 [TS]

00:21:56   case and that is much much better than [TS]

00:21:57   the lumps as for cases I've always used [TS]

00:22:01   the case on all of my iOS things [TS]

00:22:03   well you've used a case and and what and [TS]

00:22:08   you yeah whatever I saw you you had like [TS]

00:22:10   a little baggie that you would put your [TS]

00:22:11   phone on couch yep yeah I use the pouch [TS]

00:22:15   mostly I mean I don't know why I started [TS]

00:22:17   using I think I got it from my applied [TS]

00:22:19   touches mostly just so I can shove it in [TS]

00:22:21   my pocket without worrying about [TS]

00:22:22   anything hitting the screen and also it [TS]

00:22:24   basically cleans the screen every time I [TS]

00:22:27   do that around the house I don't use it [TS]

00:22:29   obviously right it's only you know when [TS]

00:22:30   I'm when I'm going out or run it's in my [TS]

00:22:32   pocket [TS]

00:22:32   most of the reason I'm getting the cases [TS]

00:22:34   is for hand grip and for surface grip [TS]

00:22:38   but in the modern era I think the main [TS]

00:22:40   reason I probably will never go without [TS]

00:22:43   a case despite everything Marco said [TS]

00:22:44   about gestures were just true is because [TS]

00:22:47   it evens out the camera bump and that is [TS]

00:22:50   super drew on the 10 as we will talk [TS]

00:22:52   about so yes I'm using a case on my [TS]

00:22:54   iPhone 7 my wife got silicone cases for [TS]

00:22:57   her iPhone 10 and because she is [TS]

00:23:00   impatient and loves different colors she [TS]

00:23:02   got two of them just like she did by the [TS]

00:23:04   commuters you got three for a success [TS]

00:23:05   Plus anyway so the second case looks [TS]

00:23:07   good yeah actually the be leveling out [TS]

00:23:09   the camera bump is a is a real thing [TS]

00:23:11   that's another reason because like the [TS]

00:23:13   camera bump on the six is noticeably [TS]

00:23:15   larger I think than the in the previous [TS]

00:23:17   ones and so like for the for the first [TS]

00:23:19   time I'm actually interested in leveling [TS]

00:23:21   out the camera bumper I didn't care [TS]

00:23:22   before all right so yeah I have our next [TS]

00:23:25   to ask ATP from Kapila wa mala Ratan a [TS]

00:23:27   hope I got that right do you think Siri [TS]

00:23:29   lagging behind Google assistant will [TS]

00:23:31   eventually hurt iPhone sales and this [TS]

00:23:33   individual says I'm currently very [TS]

00:23:35   tempted by the pixel to uh I don't know [TS]

00:23:39   it's an interesting question I can tell [TS]

00:23:41   you that I've gone through I feel like [TS]

00:23:43   I'm I feelings about Siri go through [TS]

00:23:46   kind of a sine wave where the the peak [TS]

00:23:48   of the sine wave is like the grudgingly [TS]

00:23:51   accepting how bad Siri is and right now [TS]

00:23:54   I'm in a valley because I friggin hate [TS]

00:23:55   Siri and I feel like it's constantly [TS]

00:23:57   giving me wrong data or not [TS]

00:23:58   understanding what I'm trying to tell it [TS]

00:24:00   but I don't have an Alexa in the house I [TS]

00:24:03   don't have a Google home in the house I [TS]

00:24:04   don't really ever use any Android or [TS]

00:24:07   Amazon devices so I don't really know [TS]

00:24:09   what I'm missing and because of that for [TS]

00:24:11   me I mean obviously and obviously I'm [TS]

00:24:13   all in on Apple anyway but I don't think [TS]

00:24:16   for me in people who don't have like [TS]

00:24:19   these multicultural households if you [TS]

00:24:22   will in terms of you know assistance I [TS]

00:24:25   don't know that anyone really realizes [TS]

00:24:27   how crappy Siri is including myself [TS]

00:24:30   but I'm curious to hear for like you [TS]

00:24:32   guys that have multiple you know talking [TS]

00:24:35   tubes in the house do you think that [TS]

00:24:38   this is a much bigger risk you know for [TS]

00:24:40   me it depends on what you're using it [TS]

00:24:43   for you know for me Siri is a is just [TS]

00:24:46   one part of why I choose Apple products [TS]

00:24:50   and why I love the iPhone so much and [TS]

00:24:52   why I use the iPhone over other phones [TS]

00:24:55   I think Siri not being as good as it [TS]

00:24:58   should be is a real problem and but it's [TS]

00:25:01   a real problem that is of different [TS]

00:25:03   degrees of severity depending on the [TS]

00:25:05   product you're talking about so for [TS]

00:25:07   something like the home pod that's a big [TS]

00:25:09   problem like if Siri is not somehow [TS]

00:25:12   miraculously way better and way more [TS]

00:25:14   consistent and way less aciem that way [TS]

00:25:17   less personality on the home pod then it [TS]

00:25:19   is everywhere else right now then the [TS]

00:25:22   home pod is gonna be I think really [TS]

00:25:23   annoying to use in practice because when [TS]

00:25:25   it's when well that's the only interface [TS]

00:25:27   you have to something it really has to [TS]

00:25:29   be good and consistent and smart and it [TS]

00:25:34   has to do the right thing like every [TS]

00:25:35   time and that's what the Amazon echo [TS]

00:25:38   does like it yep the echo is really [TS]

00:25:41   really good it's really consistent it [TS]

00:25:44   hardly ever fails and when it does fail [TS]

00:25:47   it doesn't do so with a cutesy response [TS]

00:25:49   where it's trying to be funny that [TS]

00:25:51   really just makes you want to set the [TS]

00:25:52   world on fire Siri in that kind of [TS]

00:25:56   context is gonna be a problem I think [TS]

00:25:59   but in you know for my phone the the [TS]

00:26:03   other reasons I choose the iPhone are so [TS]

00:26:05   much greater than the variance between [TS]

00:26:08   Siri and the other voice assistance that [TS]

00:26:12   the other reasons will always overpower [TS]

00:26:14   that difference even if the iPhone [TS]

00:26:16   didn't have Siri at all even if it did [TS]

00:26:19   not have any voice interface at all I [TS]

00:26:21   would still choose the iPhone over [TS]

00:26:24   anything else just because the rest of [TS]

00:26:25   it is so compelling compared to that now [TS]

00:26:27   other people might have different [TS]

00:26:28   responses to that but for me and I think [TS]

00:26:31   for a lot of people I think the voice [TS]

00:26:33   features are really secondary and and [TS]

00:26:37   their convenience features on a phone [TS]

00:26:39   most of what you do on a phone is not [TS]

00:26:41   through that voice interface for most [TS]

00:26:42   people [TS]

00:26:43   so you know again like if your use case [TS]

00:26:46   may vary but for me it's like I want [TS]

00:26:50   Siri to be better for lots of reasons [TS]

00:26:52   and I think it needs to be better for [TS]

00:26:54   lots of reasons [TS]

00:26:55   but it's not gonna kill iPhone sales in [TS]

00:26:57   a meaningful way if it's not so you [TS]

00:26:59   missed the key booby trap in this [TS]

00:27:02   question here which is the word [TS]

00:27:04   eventually yes that's right it's [TS]

00:27:06   everybody's favorite it's gonna rain so [TS]

00:27:09   we'd like an infinite times to Gale horn [TS]

00:27:11   or something ya Gong do you think Syria [TS]

00:27:14   lagging behind Google system will [TS]

00:27:16   eventually hurt iPhone sales so there's [TS]

00:27:18   two aspects of this and the reason I [TS]

00:27:20   picked this question I'm never gonna put [TS]

00:27:21   a gong in my office I have to bail up [TS]

00:27:23   here but the bells nice and small a gong [TS]

00:27:25   is not small at a time scale Gong yeah I [TS]

00:27:27   mean you can get a little desk gone but [TS]

00:27:29   I mean if you're gonna get a gong get a [TS]

00:27:30   real one you know get like the one like [TS]

00:27:32   on the floor stay and ear your [TS]

00:27:34   accessories need to be under control air [TS]

00:27:36   so the the eventually part of this if [TS]

00:27:41   voice assistants become more and more [TS]

00:27:44   important on phones and Siri continues [TS]

00:27:48   to lag behind Google assistant then I [TS]

00:27:50   think your calculus might change Marco [TS]

00:27:51   if everyone else is talking to the [TS]

00:27:53   phone's constantly and get an awesome [TS]

00:27:54   response from it and it's like the most [TS]

00:27:56   convenient way to do a whole bunch of [TS]

00:27:57   things but cereal continues to lag [TS]

00:28:00   behind that may change your calculus on [TS]

00:28:02   exactly how important you feel is [TS]

00:28:03   nothing to make you buy an Android front [TS]

00:28:05   or whatever but the other angle on this [TS]

00:28:07   is that Google assistant is available on [TS]

00:28:10   iOS the only difference is that Apple [TS]

00:28:12   privileges Siri to be the one with the [TS]

00:28:14   good system integration so Apple's [TS]

00:28:16   ultimate out if it can never get Siri to [TS]

00:28:20   be as good a Google assistant and if a [TS]

00:28:21   voice assistance on phones become much [TS]

00:28:24   more important than they are today Apple [TS]

00:28:26   always has the ability to say assuming [TS]

00:28:29   you know Google Danes to continue to be [TS]

00:28:31   on the iOS which I assume they will [TS]

00:28:33   because if they're on now and they have [TS]

00:28:34   80% market share I don't see why they [TS]

00:28:35   wouldn't be forever is okay we will just [TS]

00:28:40   make api's so that any voice assistant [TS]

00:28:42   has the same kind of integration that [TS]

00:28:43   Siri does and then voila your iPhone has [TS]

00:28:46   just as good a voice assistant as Google [TS]

00:28:47   because it's the same voice assistant [TS]

00:28:49   that would be kind of a failure scenario [TS]

00:28:51   and showed that they couldn't hack it [TS]

00:28:52   with Siri but I think it is likely that [TS]

00:28:56   voice assistants will [TS]

00:28:57   become more important on phones than [TS]

00:28:59   they are today I'm not sure how far [TS]

00:29:00   it'll go but certainly I'll become more [TS]

00:29:02   important and more important to KC's [TS]

00:29:05   point about us having cylinders in the [TS]

00:29:06   house I continue to have really good [TS]

00:29:09   customer status of but every once in a [TS]

00:29:16   while in addition to asking you to set [TS]

00:29:17   timers and do math for me right I I will [TS]

00:29:21   yell from three rooms away not even yell [TS]

00:29:23   just like like this is the most recent [TS]

00:29:25   thing where I was blown away with it [TS]

00:29:26   like I'm in my TV room but just like two [TS]

00:29:29   rooms away it's like kind of on the [TS]

00:29:30   other side of the house but on the same [TS]

00:29:32   floor and we were having debate about [TS]

00:29:35   the ages of actors on the show we were [TS]

00:29:37   watching and I just asked to the air in [TS]

00:29:39   a slightly louder voice than normal but [TS]

00:29:40   not screaming you know name of actor how [TS]

00:29:44   old how old is this actor and how old [TS]

00:29:46   was that actor it gave me the answers [TS]

00:29:47   like it didn't say I can't find a person [TS]

00:29:50   by that name or didn't misspell it or [TS]

00:29:52   mistranslate it because it's powered by [TS]

00:29:54   Google and Google is the ultimate engine [TS]

00:29:56   for typing a bunch of characters that [TS]

00:29:58   you think might approximate the spelling [TS]

00:30:00   of a celebrity's name and because [TS]

00:30:01   they're celebrity it goes I think I know [TS]

00:30:03   who you meant even though you got that [TS]

00:30:04   name totally wrong and it works over [TS]

00:30:06   voice too that's not a very you know [TS]

00:30:09   amazing thing to do but if I had taken [TS]

00:30:12   out my phone and asked Siri to do it or [TS]

00:30:14   asked the home pod I can just imagine it [TS]

00:30:17   picking a name for my contacts that [TS]

00:30:19   sounds like the celebrity name and [TS]

00:30:20   giving me their age or saying there's no [TS]

00:30:22   birthday information or saying it [TS]

00:30:23   couldn't provide that information so I [TS]

00:30:25   think the lead is real and I think it [TS]

00:30:27   will eventually be a problem for Apple [TS]

00:30:29   but I think Apple has the ability to [TS]

00:30:31   turn back the clock to 2007 and say [TS]

00:30:33   Google powers all of our cool cloud [TS]

00:30:35   stuff because they're great at that and [TS]

00:30:36   we make the hardware in the OS which [TS]

00:30:38   would be bad as far as Apple's concerned [TS]

00:30:40   but it's always there as an out you know [TS]

00:30:43   I would say though is like in the [TS]

00:30:45   context of phone sales which is worth [TS]

00:30:47   with a question which really about we've [TS]

00:30:49   had voice input on laptops now for a [TS]

00:30:52   while but it hasn't really resulted in [TS]

00:30:54   people talking to the laptops very often [TS]

00:30:55   the the primary way that people interact [TS]

00:30:58   with their laptops by far is still [TS]

00:31:01   typing and looking at things on the [TS]

00:31:03   screen my mom my mom talks to her laptop [TS]

00:31:05   a lot more than you would [TS]

00:31:06   I think there is a there is a kind of a [TS]

00:31:10   divide of traditional computer users and [TS]

00:31:13   people who for whom even crappy voice is [TS]

00:31:16   better than mouse and keyboard it's not [TS]

00:31:18   it's not widespread you're right most [TS]

00:31:19   people don't talk to their computers but [TS]

00:31:22   if voice assistants become better I feel [TS]

00:31:24   like that could start to change too oh [TS]

00:31:25   yeah but but I'm saying like it's we've [TS]

00:31:27   had it now for a while and it's still [TS]

00:31:29   while some people do it it still is not [TS]

00:31:31   the primary way most people interact [TS]

00:31:33   with it and phones we don't even we've [TS]

00:31:36   now had voice assistance on phones for [TS]

00:31:39   one day longer than Steve Jobs has been [TS]

00:31:41   gone so that's it's a while now and they [TS]

00:31:46   still have not become the primary [TS]

00:31:47   interface for interacting with phones [TS]

00:31:50   and I feel like every form factor of [TS]

00:31:52   computing device you know they become [TS]

00:31:55   compelling they become useful and [TS]

00:31:57   popular to be used in certain ways and [TS]

00:31:59   you know the laptop is established as [TS]

00:32:02   like the mainstream PC thing and there's [TS]

00:32:05   the way you use a laptop it's with a [TS]

00:32:07   keyboard and a trackpad and that's been [TS]

00:32:09   established for some time and nothing's [TS]

00:32:10   really going to change that meaningfully [TS]

00:32:12   probably a phone has been established to [TS]

00:32:14   be a screen that's hand held or [TS]

00:32:18   approximately hand held that you can [TS]

00:32:21   touch with your finger and do [TS]

00:32:23   multi-touch gestures and type on the [TS]

00:32:24   glass and everything and like have that [TS]

00:32:26   be the primary interface you can do [TS]

00:32:28   other things with them you can control [TS]

00:32:30   it by voice you know you can do other [TS]

00:32:31   methods with these things but those have [TS]

00:32:33   been the primary interfaces and over [TS]

00:32:35   time we really haven't seen anything to [TS]

00:32:37   suggest that these basic form factor [TS]

00:32:41   categories and the way you interact with [TS]

00:32:43   them really meaningfully changes or [TS]

00:32:46   dramatically changes over time you know [TS]

00:32:49   a laptop that you buy today while the [TS]

00:32:51   keyboard sucks and it has no ports is [TS]

00:32:53   roughly the same proportions and form [TS]

00:32:55   factor as laptops we had 15 years ago [TS]

00:32:58   it's just better you know but it's the [TS]

00:33:00   same general thing the same approximate [TS]

00:33:02   size the same approximate you know class [TS]

00:33:05   of device and you interact with roughly [TS]

00:33:07   the same way so a phone over time if you [TS]

00:33:10   think about like even on your infinite [TS]

00:33:12   time scale argument like you know phones [TS]

00:33:13   might be replaced by something else down [TS]

00:33:15   the road you know but eventually they [TS]

00:33:17   probably will oh they're pretty they're [TS]

00:33:19   pretty [TS]

00:33:20   compelling now for and they they [TS]

00:33:21   probably will be for quite some time a [TS]

00:33:23   phone's primary interface is very likely [TS]

00:33:26   to remain touch for a very long time [TS]

00:33:29   probably for the entire rest of the time [TS]

00:33:31   that phones are relevant devices that [TS]

00:33:33   people carry but doesn't matter what the [TS]

00:33:35   primary interface is though like I I [TS]

00:33:36   agree with you like it's got it's a [TS]

00:33:38   giant screen that you touch like of [TS]

00:33:39   course that's gonna be how you're gonna [TS]

00:33:41   interact with but if voice becomes a [TS]

00:33:43   more important part of how you interact [TS]

00:33:45   with the phone doesn't be the primary [TS]

00:33:47   way doesn't mean you stop touching the [TS]

00:33:48   screen you're always gonna touch screens [TS]

00:33:49   the whole point like you said it's in [TS]

00:33:50   your hand it's a little thing in your [TS]

00:33:51   hand until it's replaced by like magic [TS]

00:33:52   eyeglasses or some other thing in your [TS]

00:33:54   ear or something or whatever yes you're [TS]

00:33:55   gonna be touching it primarily but [TS]

00:33:57   imagine I imagine very frequently how [TS]

00:34:00   much better voice could be when I'm [TS]

00:34:02   driving a car and I hear my little phone [TS]

00:34:04   being in my pocket I would love to say [TS]

00:34:06   read the text for me but I can't say [TS]

00:34:09   that I can't even say hey Siri read the [TS]

00:34:11   text for me because it won't hear me [TS]

00:34:12   because it's in my pocket but it's [TS]

00:34:14   connected to bluetooth through my car so [TS]

00:34:15   it's using my car's crappy microphone [TS]

00:34:16   like it could be it could be better and [TS]

00:34:19   for for you know when the voice didn't [TS]

00:34:22   exist on iOS devices people were just [TS]

00:34:23   touching them entirely right there was [TS]

00:34:25   no no sirree right when voice was added [TS]

00:34:27   it didn't really change our lives that [TS]

00:34:28   much except for maybe we use a set [TS]

00:34:30   timers and stuff but it radically [TS]

00:34:31   changed the way my mother uses iOS [TS]

00:34:33   devices and Macs because her primary [TS]

00:34:35   typing interface is speaking to her [TS]

00:34:38   devices now does not mean that the [TS]

00:34:40   primary way she uses her laptop or her [TS]

00:34:41   phone is by voice of course not she's [TS]

00:34:43   using the mouse or the trackpad or you [TS]

00:34:45   know their fingers to use the iOS device [TS]

00:34:47   but anytime text netbook comes along she [TS]

00:34:49   dictates it I can tell because I see the [TS]

00:34:51   dictate O's and all four stop I'm [TS]

00:34:58   picturing as a vegetable even though I [TS]

00:34:59   know what you meant but yeah sometimes [TS]

00:35:03   it's funny you have to kind of sound it [TS]

00:35:04   out to figure out what she was to be she [TS]

00:35:05   doesn't she doesn't go back and edit [TS]

00:35:06   because editing would require her to try [TS]

00:35:08   to like place the cursor in iOS on her [TS]

00:35:10   phone and you know it's not gonna work [TS]

00:35:12   with her vision and her fingernails is [TS]

00:35:14   just not gonna happen but I think that [TS]

00:35:17   really has changed how she's done things [TS]

00:35:18   and if you said you can have a computer [TS]

00:35:20   or a phone but it won't do you know [TS]

00:35:22   speech to text she would not like it [TS]

00:35:25   so all I'm saying is I think it could [TS]

00:35:28   potentially become more important and if [TS]

00:35:30   Google assistant gets to the point where [TS]

00:35:31   I can do things like [TS]

00:35:33   who just texted me was that my wife like [TS]

00:35:36   if I can interact with it in kind of a [TS]

00:35:37   naturalistic way and a regular tone of [TS]

00:35:39   voice and have an expectation that it'll [TS]

00:35:41   know what the heck I'm talking about and [TS]

00:35:42   responded in a reasonable way that is a [TS]

00:35:45   game-changer right you you cross some [TS]

00:35:47   threshold just like touch responsiveness [TS]

00:35:49   cross some threshold with the iPhone [TS]

00:35:50   it's like oh I see that Touch is [TS]

00:35:52   supposed to be voice it's not there yet [TS]

00:35:54   but I feel like it could get there and [TS]

00:35:55   become a more important part of how your [TS]

00:35:57   phone worked any of you saw everyone [TS]

00:35:59   else driving with their Android phones [TS]

00:36:00   interacting doing those interactions not [TS]

00:36:02   as their primary using the phone but [TS]

00:36:03   just like sometimes it's that's the most [TS]

00:36:05   convenient way to do stuff if you see [TS]

00:36:08   that happening and your iPhone can't do [TS]

00:36:10   it because every time you try to talk to [TS]

00:36:11   it like the bloops at the wrong time or [TS]

00:36:13   like tells you it can't help you or runs [TS]

00:36:14   like a web search and says I found five [TS]

00:36:16   things about is that for my wife yeah [TS]

00:36:21   that's fair and and I do you know you're [TS]

00:36:23   right that like if there's radical [TS]

00:36:25   differences between Syria and its [TS]

00:36:27   competitors that it does start become an [TS]

00:36:28   issue but it's only an issue to the [TS]

00:36:31   degree that voice input is important to [TS]

00:36:34   that device and so if input is always [TS]

00:36:37   the secondary way you're interacting [TS]

00:36:38   with this thing if you're mostly still [TS]

00:36:39   touching it and you and voice is just [TS]

00:36:41   like the secondary set of features it's [TS]

00:36:43   way less important whether the voice [TS]

00:36:45   input is mediocre or excellent and so I [TS]

00:36:48   think Siri can continue and it's and [TS]

00:36:50   because the rest of the phone is so much [TS]

00:36:52   better than its competitors and for [TS]

00:36:54   almost everybody for almost every recent [TS]

00:36:56   sorry Android people that's that's the [TS]

00:36:58   way it is because the primary interface [TS]

00:37:02   is so advanced and so compelling [TS]

00:37:05   the secondary interface I think has way [TS]

00:37:08   more tolerance to be mediocre and still [TS]

00:37:11   not make people change their buying [TS]

00:37:12   habits really like I'm always depressed [TS]

00:37:15   that I can't even get like my immediate [TS]

00:37:16   family to to get on board with iPhones [TS]

00:37:19   and this is the thing where I start to [TS]

00:37:21   worry that even though it seems clear to [TS]

00:37:23   us that iOS has advantages like there [TS]

00:37:26   are you know advantages that we [TS]

00:37:28   appreciate it's very clear that they are [TS]

00:37:30   advanced just that most of the rest of [TS]

00:37:32   the world does not appreciate or at [TS]

00:37:34   least they do not appreciate them enough [TS]

00:37:36   to pay for them so I you know my sister [TS]

00:37:39   has an Android phone and she replaced it [TS]

00:37:40   with another Android phone and I [TS]

00:37:42   couldn't convince her to get an iPhone [TS]

00:37:43   you know why because well I got was [TS]

00:37:45   Android phone and it [TS]

00:37:46   $200 but I got $150 Costco rebate so it [TS]

00:37:50   even cost less than that can you show me [TS]

00:37:53   the iPhone I can buy $450 and I was like [TS]

00:37:56   no I can't show you the iPhone you can [TS]

00:37:58   buy for $150 and there's no way I could [TS]

00:38:01   convince her that a difference between [TS]

00:38:03   $50 net and $800 for an iPhone like but [TS]

00:38:07   don't you see how much better iOS is [TS]

00:38:09   it's like I do not see $750 or the [TS]

00:38:12   difference and that's why I'm Android [TS]

00:38:14   has 80% market share like bones are such [TS]

00:38:16   a commodity now that people just want a [TS]

00:38:18   phone any casually they want a new phone [TS]

00:38:20   but it's like it's like who buys [TS]

00:38:22   batteries from the Seinfeld episode like [TS]

00:38:23   how you pay money for your phone I got [TS]

00:38:25   this one for 50 bucks and it's fine I [TS]

00:38:26   got this one 50 bucks and it's fine [TS]

00:38:28   might as well be the Android slogan like [TS]

00:38:30   it is an incredible you cannot there's [TS]

00:38:34   nothing you can say to someone who says [TS]

00:38:36   I got this for me dollars and it's fine [TS]

00:38:37   because they don't care about phones [TS]

00:38:38   they're not phone enthusiasts they're [TS]

00:38:40   not phone power users they just want a [TS]

00:38:42   phone that lets them do phone things and [TS]

00:38:44   it's 50 dollars and there's nothing you [TS]

00:38:46   can say to them I say this thousand [TS]

00:38:48   dollar iPhone 10 that reads your face [TS]

00:38:50   like magic is like don't you want this [TS]

00:38:51   now it's like maybe if I have an infant [TS]

00:38:54   money but I got this is $150 and it's [TS]

00:38:56   fine this is the show we're about to [TS]

00:39:01   talk about how much we love our iPhone [TS]

00:39:02   10 so you know spoilers well we still [TS]

00:39:06   have one more one more ask a TV to go [TS]

00:39:08   through Ananda would like to know is [TS]

00:39:10   Marco getting in a Sony a7r 3 since they [TS]

00:39:14   addressed the battery concerns he had [TS]

00:39:16   with the mark 2 so my understanding is [TS]

00:39:19   you're a 7 r2 if memory serves the [TS]

00:39:21   battery was just it won't fly under [TS]

00:39:25   under suited for the for the device and [TS]

00:39:26   you were charging constantly so - is [TS]

00:39:29   that an accurate retelling and does the [TS]

00:39:32   a7 r3 fix that by the answer I love how [TS]

00:39:35   this question calls is the previous [TS]

00:39:37   version of the Sony camera the mark 2 [TS]

00:39:39   that's kind of crossing the streams [TS]

00:39:40   there it's not the market that's the [TS]

00:39:42   Canon lingo and before that many of the [TS]

00:39:45   things anyway the a7 r2 that I had two [TS]

00:39:48   main problems with it the battery life [TS]

00:39:49   was one and the other was the general [TS]

00:39:52   speed of handling things like you know [TS]

00:39:55   like reviewing an image that I just shot [TS]

00:39:59   or just you know speed and [TS]

00:40:01   responsiveness of the controls in the [TS]

00:40:02   system and shooting and everything else [TS]

00:40:04   it was you know capturing those giant 42 [TS]

00:40:08   megapixel images off that sensor the the [TS]

00:40:11   camera is image processor I think just [TS]

00:40:13   couldn't handle that very well and so a [TS]

00:40:15   lot of operations on the 5d Mark are [TS]

00:40:17   sorry Wow on the a7 r2 are just really [TS]

00:40:20   sluggish and when you when I switched [TS]

00:40:22   back to Canon 4 and I got the 5d Mark 4 [TS]

00:40:25   instead it's night and day difference I [TS]

00:40:28   mean it isn't as many megapixels I think [TS]

00:40:30   it's only 30 you don't quote only 30 [TS]

00:40:33   instead of 42 but processing those [TS]

00:40:37   pixels and navigating and shooting and [TS]

00:40:40   reviewing the images and zooming into [TS]

00:40:41   the images to see if they're sharp but [TS]

00:40:43   everything like it's just a million [TS]

00:40:45   times faster on the 5d Mark 4 than it is [TS]

00:40:48   on the a7 are - so the a7 r3 we just [TS]

00:40:51   announced I I don't know if it's out yet [TS]

00:40:53   but it's could either way it's it's out [TS]

00:40:54   shortly or now and I when I sold by a7 [TS]

00:40:59   r2 to Stephen Hackett I kept my two [TS]

00:41:03   favorite lenses the the 55 and a 35 [TS]

00:41:06   primes because I thought you know Len [TS]

00:41:09   lens resale value is not going to change [TS]

00:41:11   much in a year and if I end up buying [TS]

00:41:14   back into the Sony ecosystem you know I [TS]

00:41:16   have these lenses I'd have to rebuy them [TS]

00:41:17   so I I kind of left the door open that I [TS]

00:41:19   could go back if I wanted to [TS]

00:41:21   the a7 r3 promises to it uses the new [TS]

00:41:26   batteries that the a9 introduced in 89 [TS]

00:41:28   is it's like a fast sports camera that [TS]

00:41:30   and that's not really what I would what [TS]

00:41:32   I be looking for it uses the same [TS]

00:41:35   batteries that does which have allegedly [TS]

00:41:37   I think like two-and-a-half times the [TS]

00:41:39   capacity of the old ones and allegedly [TS]

00:41:42   the a7 r3 also has a faster image [TS]

00:41:45   processor but until it's actually out [TS]

00:41:48   and until people can actually review it [TS]

00:41:51   and maybe I can rent one it's it's hard [TS]

00:41:54   to quantify that it's like well how much [TS]

00:41:55   faster is it and how much better are [TS]

00:41:58   those batteries if it's only a little [TS]

00:42:00   bit better that's not good enough for me [TS]

00:42:02   if it can make it to the speed and [TS]

00:42:05   responsiveness level of a Canon [TS]

00:42:07   full-frame SLR and with the battery life [TS]

00:42:09   that could be similar then we'll talk [TS]

00:42:12   but it's too early to know that yet I am [TS]

00:42:14   very tempted though because as you know [TS]

00:42:16   in the Canada world while I do [TS]

00:42:18   absolutely love the speed and the [TS]

00:42:21   handling and the basically infinite [TS]

00:42:23   battery life the full-size SLRs have [TS]

00:42:25   compared to perilous I do miss those 42 [TS]

00:42:29   megapixels when I try to shoot myself a [TS]

00:42:30   new 5 K wallpaper and I also miss the [TS]

00:42:34   in-body stabilization to make every lens [TS]

00:42:38   stabilize basically so i i'm curious to [TS]

00:42:42   rent one when it comes out whenever i [TS]

00:42:44   can get my hands on a rental it might be [TS]

00:42:46   a while but I'm not rushing out to buy [TS]

00:42:49   it yet [TS]

00:42:50   because I I think the most likely [TS]

00:42:52   outcome here is that it will be better [TS]

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00:44:58   sounds like all three households have [TS]

00:45:00   received at least one iPhone 10 in the [TS]

00:45:04   case of our house I got one and Aaron [TS]

00:45:06   got one I got the whatever we're calling [TS]

00:45:09   it whatever the Apple term is for black [TS]

00:45:12   2:56 Aaron got whatever the Apple term [TS]

00:45:15   is for white 256 Marco how did your [TS]

00:45:18   house end up white 256 and then John how [TS]

00:45:23   did you end up I didn't receive a phone [TS]

00:45:25   I had to go out and get it alright I our [TS]

00:45:29   phone but it was like two or three weeks [TS]

00:45:30   wait but I in the days since ordering [TS]

00:45:35   the phone I've been using the store app [TS]

00:45:37   to try to do in-store pickup and I [TS]

00:45:39   forget one morning like one weekend [TS]

00:45:40   morning or an 8 a.m. I did my typical [TS]

00:45:43   order and went to see what's available [TS]

00:45:45   for in-store pickup and I saw that my [TS]

00:45:47   local Apple Store has the phone that I [TS]

00:45:48   wanted so I said please reserve that [TS]

00:45:50   from me I will come pick it up at the [TS]

00:45:52   appointed time and we did and we came [TS]

00:45:54   picked up at the appointed time now it [TS]

00:45:55   was tricky because this is my wife's own [TS]

00:45:57   remember she had an outstanding order [TS]

00:45:59   and we did the Verizon Way where you [TS]

00:46:01   enter all the information so that when [TS]

00:46:02   you get the phone it's basically already [TS]

00:46:03   assigned to her phone number when you [TS]

00:46:05   take it out of the box and activate it [TS]

00:46:07   it deactivates your other phone and [TS]

00:46:08   everything right and like that's we had [TS]

00:46:10   that in process it would not let me [TS]

00:46:12   reserve for in-store pick up a phone [TS]

00:46:14   with her same number on it right because [TS]

00:46:16   it says you already have a phone that's [TS]

00:46:18   you know in process the only way you can [TS]

00:46:20   do this it said basically was to receive [TS]

00:46:22   the order and then like I don't know [TS]

00:46:24   return it or something like it didn't [TS]

00:46:26   even give you the option to say if you [TS]

00:46:27   can't see the other order will let you [TS]

00:46:28   go through this or it said no you cannot [TS]

00:46:30   do another order until that order [TS]

00:46:32   arrives so we're never so instead I [TS]

00:46:34   ordered the iPhone 10 from me with my [TS]

00:46:37   telephone number [TS]

00:46:39   because my wife just wanted to get the [TS]

00:46:41   phone she's like just do it just do [TS]

00:46:42   whatever it takes to get the phone we'll [TS]

00:46:43   start it out afterwards and so we did we [TS]

00:46:45   ordered it with my phone number and my [TS]

00:46:47   thing and took the iPhone 10 went to the [TS]

00:46:49   store to pick it up took it out of the [TS]

00:46:50   box it activated as my phone a [TS]

00:46:52   deactivated my phone then we did some [TS]

00:46:53   sim swapping and a couple minutes later [TS]

00:46:56   we were busily updating the stupid thing [TS]

00:46:59   to iOS 11.1 because it shipped with [TS]

00:47:01   eleven point 0.1 and restoring from [TS]

00:47:03   backup and completely forgetting to do [TS]

00:47:05   the watch thing which we'll discuss in a [TS]

00:47:07   little bit but all in all she eventually [TS]

00:47:09   got her whatever the hell it is black [TS]

00:47:12   Space Gray 256 that now is correctly [TS]

00:47:16   assigned to her telephone number and I'm [TS]

00:47:17   back on my iPhone 7 alright I'm going to [TS]

00:47:23   just start with some of my impressions [TS]

00:47:25   and if you guys let me I'll carry on [TS]

00:47:27   until I'm done but in all likelihood [TS]

00:47:29   we're gonna end up just all of us [TS]

00:47:31   talking about everything so oh wait [TS]

00:47:33   before you begin the point I wanted to [TS]

00:47:35   make what the in-store pickup if you [TS]

00:47:36   have an order with Apple and you're [TS]

00:47:37   waiting and like oh man I go wait three [TS]

00:47:39   weeks just everyday in the morning go to [TS]

00:47:41   the Apple Store app on iOS try to order [TS]

00:47:43   it and see it and do in-store pickup [TS]

00:47:45   it's before you complete the order it'll [TS]

00:47:47   show you what stores have the model and [TS]

00:47:49   the model and size available in your [TS]

00:47:50   area available for pickup there's a lot [TS]

00:47:53   of availability every single day new [TS]

00:47:55   stuff comes in every single day in the [TS]

00:47:56   morning just do that it's really easy to [TS]

00:47:59   get a phone for local pickup before your [TS]

00:48:02   one that you are comes you can always [TS]

00:48:04   just cancel your order which is what we [TS]

00:48:05   did so I would encourage everyone who is [TS]

00:48:06   being a patient or the phone do that [TS]

00:48:08   look for in-store pickup everyday so [TS]

00:48:10   initial impressions at the time I tried [TS]

00:48:13   to take some very very very brief notes [TS]

00:48:15   it's heavy or at least I feel like it's [TS]

00:48:18   heavy [TS]

00:48:18   not bad heavy just oh this is heavier [TS]

00:48:22   kind of heavy curiously though the size [TS]

00:48:27   doesn't act I don't get actively [TS]

00:48:30   reminded that it's bigger if that makes [TS]

00:48:33   sense like if I think about it for a [TS]

00:48:34   half second oh yeah this feels bigger [TS]

00:48:35   than what I'm used to but it's not like [TS]

00:48:37   the Plus Club where I feel like I'm [TS]

00:48:39   holding a dinner tray it's just it's [TS]

00:48:42   it's close enough to my old one that it [TS]

00:48:44   feels about the same do you do you feel [TS]

00:48:47   similarly or do you feel like you [TS]

00:48:48   definitely notice the size Marko so I [TS]

00:48:50   took notes as I was [TS]

00:48:52   like experiencing it just so I could you [TS]

00:48:54   know get some opinions down my first two [TS]

00:48:56   notes are it looks great period it's [TS]

00:48:59   heavy period my first to my initial [TS]

00:49:03   reaction to it very very clear [TS]

00:49:06   I actually just for the second compares [TS]

00:49:08   and I just pulled my iPhone 7 out of the [TS]

00:49:09   drawer and first of all man this is way [TS]

00:49:13   grippier have a no question way grippier [TS]

00:49:17   but yeah the weight difference is [TS]

00:49:19   immediately apparent going either [TS]

00:49:22   direction you know it's it's definitely [TS]

00:49:24   a weighty phone but you know I will say [TS]

00:49:26   you know about the size I agree with you [TS]

00:49:28   that it does not feel that it doesn't [TS]

00:49:31   feel like a plus phone I will say though [TS]

00:49:33   it is like having a regular iPhone 7 in [TS]

00:49:37   your pocket and in other places like you [TS]

00:49:40   know in Docs and in cars and then cup [TS]

00:49:42   holder isn't like it feels like an [TS]

00:49:44   iPhone 7 physically but when actually [TS]

00:49:48   using it it feels like using a plus [TS]

00:49:50   because it's so much harder to reach [TS]

00:49:53   things hmmm I see your point so it likes [TS]

00:49:56   to summarize like it's like having a [TS]

00:49:57   plus in your hand but a7 in your pocket [TS]

00:50:00   I mostly agree with that but I think in [TS]

00:50:03   in my hand that in my pocket my main [TS]

00:50:05   impression of it is is that it's taller [TS]

00:50:08   like I know it's not actually thinner [TS]

00:50:10   but because it's taller when I mentally [TS]

00:50:12   envision it and think about holding it I [TS]

00:50:15   think oh that's the one that's like [TS]

00:50:16   skinnier than my iPhone 7 but taller [TS]

00:50:18   it's not right but because it's taller [TS]

00:50:20   that's my impression and Margot is 100% [TS]

00:50:22   right with like okay that's how it feels [TS]

00:50:25   as a physical object what happens when [TS]

00:50:26   you start trying to touch your screen [TS]

00:50:27   you're like oh there's a lot more screen [TS]

00:50:29   than they used to be and some of its [TS]

00:50:30   harder to reach I can get behind that I [TS]

00:50:32   do feel like the width is is the thing [TS]

00:50:35   that I notice most or that makes me most [TS]

00:50:39   uncomfortable it's not I don't feel like [TS]

00:50:41   I don't have numbers in front of me it's [TS]

00:50:43   not egregiously wider than what I'm used [TS]

00:50:45   to but it's wide enough that it's just [TS]

00:50:47   ever so slightly uncomfortable and I [TS]

00:50:50   think Marco you're a hundred percent [TS]

00:50:51   right that yeah the screen is big enough [TS]

00:50:54   that this is really a two hand phone but [TS]

00:50:56   I think because I just knew that the [TS]

00:50:59   screen was going to be much bigger that [TS]

00:51:00   I was like mentally prepped for that but [TS]

00:51:03   I was not mentally or physically prepped [TS]

00:51:05   for [TS]

00:51:06   being noticeably wider and if it ever if [TS]

00:51:09   there's ever a time that I'm reminded [TS]

00:51:10   about the physical differences of the [TS]

00:51:12   phone it's because I'm trying to hold it [TS]

00:51:14   and I feel like it's just just the hint [TS]

00:51:16   wider than I want it to be it's thicker [TS]

00:51:19   than me it may just be because my wife's [TS]

00:51:20   got a silicone case which might be [TS]

00:51:22   thicker than the other one that I'm used [TS]

00:51:25   to and I have no idea if it actually is [TS]

00:51:27   thicker than the Sun but this is just [TS]

00:51:28   how it feels when I think about the 10 [TS]

00:51:30   and the silicone case versus the 7 in [TS]

00:51:32   the leather like I said at the opposite [TS]

00:51:34   of Casey that I feel like the 10 is [TS]

00:51:35   skinnier even though it isn't and like [TS]

00:51:37   like not as wide right and I also have [TS]

00:51:40   the impression that the 10 is thicker I [TS]

00:51:41   didn't notice the weight as much as you [TS]

00:51:43   - I know I recognize that it is heavier [TS]

00:51:45   and I guess I'm I did him side by side I [TS]

00:51:46   would notice that but just having [TS]

00:51:48   attended myself I don't notice the [TS]

00:51:50   weight as much but I noticed that it's [TS]

00:51:52   thicker and taller it is thicker I just [TS]

00:51:54   put them on a desk with their Kimber was [TS]

00:51:56   hanging off to normalize that for the [TS]

00:51:57   non bump space and yeah it is thicker [TS]

00:52:00   noticeably I will so they're like I [TS]

00:52:02   don't actually like what I'm not doing a [TS]

00:52:04   flat on the desk comparison test it [TS]

00:52:06   doesn't read to me as thicker yeah I [TS]

00:52:08   would agree with that I agree with what [TS]

00:52:12   you said Marko that it's beautiful one [TS]

00:52:14   of the first things I noticed and [TS]

00:52:15   somebody else had said this on Twitter [TS]

00:52:17   and I don't I don't recall who it was [TS]

00:52:19   but they had said it looks manias Panza [TS]

00:52:21   reno they had said that it looks as [TS]

00:52:23   though the screen is photoshopped onto [TS]

00:52:26   the device you're holding and I don't [TS]

00:52:29   know if I would have character [TS]

00:52:30   characterized it that way [TS]

00:52:32   had I not read it already but that was a [TS]

00:52:35   perfect description of it that it seems [TS]

00:52:39   like the screen is just photoshopped on [TS]

00:52:42   to this like object that you're holding [TS]

00:52:43   it is so I'm assuming it's just that [TS]

00:52:47   it's so close to the glass even closer [TS]

00:52:49   than it ever has been I can't wait till [TS]

00:52:51   they actually get a screen on the [TS]

00:52:52   surface of something because this is [TS]

00:52:54   exactly what we used to say like when [TS]

00:52:55   they did the fused glass on the floor I [TS]

00:52:57   was like wow the pixels are coming [TS]

00:52:58   they're so close to your fingers and [TS]

00:53:00   it's true over time that pickles have [TS]

00:53:02   been getting closer to your fingers and [TS]

00:53:03   this is the closest yet but I definitely [TS]

00:53:05   I think it was slightly overblown to say [TS]

00:53:07   they look like it was far shot line yes [TS]

00:53:08   it does look like it's closer than other [TS]

00:53:10   phones but it doesn't feel to me as if [TS]

00:53:13   I'm running my fingers over our magazine [TS]

00:53:15   picture cut out of a magazine right like [TS]

00:53:17   it doesn't feel like the picture the [TS]

00:53:18   picture [TS]

00:53:18   on the surface there yes barely below it [TS]

00:53:21   yeah either way yeah it just it I think [TS]

00:53:24   it's beautiful the screen looks great I [TS]

00:53:26   am I don't have a good enough I to be [TS]

00:53:28   able to tell tell you anything about [TS]

00:53:30   color reproduction or anything like that [TS]

00:53:32   you don't notice the blacks you know [TS]

00:53:34   unless the black levels you don't watch [TS]

00:53:35   a movie on it no I haven't really [TS]

00:53:37   watched movie with credits in a darkroom [TS]

00:53:39   that as a black screen with the white [TS]

00:53:40   title in the middle okay and then hold [TS]

00:53:42   up your seven with the same movie and [TS]

00:53:43   realize the seven is showing a gray [TS]

00:53:44   background with white text in the middle [TS]

00:53:46   yeah yeah no I'm with you I I just don't [TS]

00:53:48   think I I'm discerning enough to be [TS]

00:53:51   wowed by that until to your point I do a [TS]

00:53:53   side-to-side test or side by side test [TS]

00:53:56   that does HDR too I realized that this [TS]

00:53:58   iPhone 10 is the only HDR screen I have [TS]

00:54:00   in my house find some HDR movies and [TS]

00:54:06   iTunes it looks pretty good turns out [TS]

00:54:09   but yeah the screen looks great I will [TS]

00:54:13   say that when I was on the plane earlier [TS]

00:54:14   today I haven't be sitting in the middle [TS]

00:54:17   of two gentlemen that both had plus [TS]

00:54:20   phones I couldn't tell you specifically [TS]

00:54:22   what vintage but they were both plus [TS]

00:54:23   size phones and looking over at one of [TS]

00:54:26   them and I this is probably just telling [TS]

00:54:30   you how much of a jerk I am but I was [TS]

00:54:32   kind of repulsed by how big the chin and [TS]

00:54:34   forehead work I looked over and I was [TS]

00:54:36   just like oh god those look ancient and [TS]

00:54:40   they do it's a place for you to stick [TS]

00:54:43   your gum when you're not using it just [TS]

00:54:46   the table right John because at least [TS]

00:54:49   you know which one's yours no seriously [TS]

00:54:52   though like they both look so ancient [TS]

00:54:53   and just oh like oh god that looks so [TS]

00:54:57   old and in mine [TS]

00:55:00   like I feel like this unequivocally [TS]

00:55:01   looks like the future and we'll see what [TS]

00:55:04   happens with the notch but it just looks [TS]

00:55:07   way newer and way more modern so while [TS]

00:55:11   we're talking about the screen and one [TS]

00:55:12   of the you know typical like Apple [TS]

00:55:15   problem with the new iPhone stories that [TS]

00:55:17   went around was about the blue shift and [TS]

00:55:19   in the screen there's you know Aaron [TS]

00:55:22   quality all LEDs that it apparently it [TS]

00:55:25   is I don't have no experience is always [TS]

00:55:26   too low that when you're looking for [TS]

00:55:28   screen head on looks gorgeous but if you [TS]

00:55:29   tilt the screen a little bit away from [TS]

00:55:31   you or too [TS]

00:55:32   or whatever that the the colors shift [TS]

00:55:34   towards blue and so when I got phone I [TS]

00:55:38   tried this and they're right it shifts [TS]

00:55:40   blow it definitely does but without [TS]

00:55:41   looking no cheating what happens on a [TS]

00:55:44   pre 10 iPhone when you tilt the screen [TS]

00:55:47   off axis don't do it don't pick up your [TS]

00:55:49   phone and do it don't look okay just [TS]

00:55:51   tell me this is the pop quiz what [TS]

00:55:53   happens on a pre iPhone screen when [TS]

00:55:54   utility yellow I have no idea because it [TS]

00:55:59   doesn't matter because I always look at [TS]

00:56:00   my phone straight on or not at all and [TS]

00:56:02   if I'm gonna have to look at it [TS]

00:56:03   diagonally I won't care if it shifts [TS]

00:56:05   slightly like this is such ironic I [TS]

00:56:07   don't think you actually do always look [TS]

00:56:09   at it on axis like and I because I think [TS]

00:56:13   you do look at it tilted I just think [TS]

00:56:14   that changes in color like this blue [TS]

00:56:18   shift are subtle enough that nobody [TS]

00:56:21   cares and to spoil it for you what [TS]

00:56:24   preten I phones do what essentially IPS [TS]

00:56:26   LCD do as they get dimmer instead of [TS]

00:56:30   getting dimmer in all spectrums RGB [TS]

00:56:32   spectrum equally the ten gets dimmer in [TS]

00:56:35   the R and the G leaving the be a little [TS]

00:56:38   bit more I'm not quite sure why it does [TS]

00:56:39   this but that's how it works but if you [TS]

00:56:43   now take them both and put them in front [TS]

00:56:44   of you and tilt them both their their [TS]

00:56:47   off axis viewing it's not greater than [TS]

00:56:49   either one of them right [TS]

00:56:50   but as Marco said either you're always [TS]

00:56:51   looking at a head-on or it's tilted to [TS]

00:56:53   such degree that you don't care so if [TS]

00:56:55   you read a story about the iPhone 1000 [TS]

00:56:58   it's green-blue shifting it does but it [TS]

00:57:00   is no more egregious than what every [TS]

00:57:02   iPhone you've ever done has done and I [TS]

00:57:04   think most people well even if they've [TS]

00:57:06   read a hundred stories about this and [TS]

00:57:08   are terrified about it you will not [TS]

00:57:09   notice it in practice and this screen [TS]

00:57:10   looks amazing from from from any angle [TS]

00:57:13   in all situations yeah it's a total [TS]

00:57:15   non-issue because the fact that neither [TS]

00:57:18   of us neither me or Casey could tell you [TS]

00:57:20   what happened if you looked off access [TS]

00:57:22   to the all the previewing I couldn't [TS]

00:57:23   have told you either I had to do it I'm [TS]

00:57:25   like well maybe you know LCD is [TS]

00:57:27   especially IPS LCD SAR well known for [TS]

00:57:29   really good of you know so I'm like oh [TS]

00:57:30   well I guess it's just a disadvantage of [TS]

00:57:32   all LEDs I'll take it because I like the [TS]

00:57:33   black levels but LCDs don't do that [TS]

00:57:34   right then I took my iPhone 7 and tilted [TS]

00:57:36   I'm like nope pretty bad pretty bad tilt [TS]

00:57:39   it and it gets very dim very fast like [TS]

00:57:41   oh I never noticed that before and why [TS]

00:57:42   because you just don't you just don't in [TS]

00:57:45   normally use [TS]

00:57:46   yeah after 10 years are using these [TS]

00:57:48   things neither none of us can tell you [TS]

00:57:49   what happened so it's like it's [TS]

00:57:51   obviously not a big problem practice and [TS]

00:57:53   and now that you look like go look for [TS]

00:57:55   go take your iPhone 7 and put it on a [TS]

00:57:56   white screen tilted it's not subtle like [TS]

00:57:58   it gets really dark really fast like [TS]

00:58:00   noticeably like if you put this on [TS]

00:58:02   camera be like terrible flaw iPhone [TS]

00:58:04   screen like that's just how the LCDs [TS]

00:58:05   working we're all just used to it and [TS]

00:58:07   it's fine and the blue thing should not [TS]

00:58:10   bother most people speaking of things [TS]

00:58:13   that should not bother most people not [TS]

00:58:15   in portrait is a hundred percent a [TS]

00:58:19   non-issue for me maybe you guys feel [TS]

00:58:21   differently I'll give you a chance in a [TS]

00:58:22   second but for me and portrait a hundred [TS]

00:58:25   percent a non-issue in landscape it's [TS]

00:58:27   weird [TS]

00:58:28   I don't think it's as egregious as I [TS]

00:58:31   expected we'll eat in either direction [TS]

00:58:33   but particularly landscape but it's [TS]

00:58:36   definitely weird and noticeable in [TS]

00:58:38   landscape it doesn't actively offend me [TS]

00:58:41   but it is kind of like huh that's funny [TS]

00:58:44   so John in the in your usage what have [TS]

00:58:47   you thought of the knotch so the the [TS]

00:58:50   notch itself in portrait the only way it [TS]

00:58:54   manifests for me in a negative light is [TS]

00:58:58   what it does to the UI in terms of well [TS]

00:59:02   this is not really the fault with much [TS]

00:59:04   but I suppose but like the the control [TS]

00:59:06   center and the notifications as I said [TS]

00:59:09   in past shows I think it's a really [TS]

00:59:11   clever use of you know making lemons [TS]

00:59:13   that are making lemonade out of lemons [TS]

00:59:14   really clever used to decide okay now we [TS]

00:59:16   have this physical blob there we have [TS]

00:59:17   two distinct regions that are [TS]

00:59:19   distinguishable and can do different [TS]

00:59:21   functions so they put control centre in [TS]

00:59:22   one and notifications on the other but [TS]

00:59:25   due to the very large size of the phone [TS]

00:59:28   I don't want to go all the way to the up [TS]

00:59:30   left to get notifications if I could go [TS]

00:59:32   to the top middle or top right for [TS]

00:59:34   notifications that would be way more [TS]

00:59:36   convenient for me as someone who mostly [TS]

00:59:38   holds their phone in their right hand [TS]

00:59:39   and that's that's how the notch is [TS]

00:59:42   annoying me because it's pushing a semi [TS]

00:59:46   commonly-used control farther away from [TS]

00:59:47   my thumb right so that's yeah but but [TS]

00:59:52   other than that like the actual notch [TS]

00:59:55   itself like mucking up my screen and [TS]

00:59:57   portrait I don't even notice that it's [TS]

00:59:58   there and it's an [TS]

00:59:58   there and it's an [TS]

01:00:00   escaped I don't tend to use my phone [TS]

01:00:01   landscape landscape the main thing that [TS]

01:00:03   annoys me is the proportion of the phone [TS]

01:00:05   in terms of like viewing video which is [TS]

01:00:07   what I'm gonna do it seems like a lot of [TS]

01:00:08   the screen is wasted depending on what [TS]

01:00:10   the the aspect ratio is that all the [TS]

01:00:13   chat room is saying that the entire [TS]

01:00:14   thing is notification except for the [TS]

01:00:17   right corner yeah but I can't use the [TS]

01:00:18   right corner and also it doesn't occur [TS]

01:00:19   to me to swipe my fingers over the not [TS]

01:00:21   to do it most of the time even though [TS]

01:00:22   you can if only because I don't want to [TS]

01:00:23   smear my greasy fingers over the lenses [TS]

01:00:25   of the cameras which probably makes some [TS]

01:00:26   difference because of focal distances [TS]

01:00:27   but it's still something that I am [TS]

01:00:29   averse to and likes it's it's not like [TS]

01:00:33   oh do you always use the upper right [TS]

01:00:34   hand corner of your 7 no but my 7 is not [TS]

01:00:36   this damn tall so did you know it's it's [TS]

01:00:39   stressing us out in landscape like I [TS]

01:00:40   said it's I feel like a lot of the [TS]

01:00:42   screen is often wasted in landscape and [TS]

01:00:44   applications that do go full with the [TS]

01:00:46   landscape I don't really need I don't I [TS]

01:00:48   don't need them to say oh I wish you [TS]

01:00:50   could have used that last little bit is [TS]

01:00:52   like imagine if you're reading like a [TS]

01:00:53   web page and landscape or very often I'm [TS]

01:00:55   rotating some stupid person's image of [TS]

01:00:58   text like they upload a heavily [TS]

01:01:00   compressed JPEG of text that I can't [TS]

01:01:01   read in portrait because the line length [TS]

01:01:03   is 700 characters long so I have to [TS]

01:01:05   rotate to landscape just so their image [TS]

01:01:07   can get big enough for me to read their [TS]

01:01:08   paragraph of screenshotted text without [TS]

01:01:10   scrolling the image left to right like I [TS]

01:01:12   thought okay yep yep yep I've been here [TS]

01:01:14   a thousand times right even then I don't [TS]

01:01:17   think that bothers me it looks awkward [TS]

01:01:19   in screenshots and if you're designing [TS]

01:01:21   an app I can imagine going am I going to [TS]

01:01:23   deal with this thing in landscape but so [TS]

01:01:25   far in practice the knotch hasn't [TS]

01:01:28   bothered me you know its presence and [TS]

01:01:32   its and the the lack of me but having [TS]

01:01:34   those pixels between the two ears has [TS]

01:01:35   not bothered me in any orientation and [TS]

01:01:37   just in portrait it's the reach ability [TS]

01:01:39   thing that's bothering me a little bit [TS]

01:01:40   yeah I I have basically the same opinion [TS]

01:01:43   the not really has not bothered me much [TS]

01:01:46   it annoys me a little bit sometimes but [TS]

01:01:49   in practice it's it's almost like the [TS]

01:01:52   the iPhone 7 virtual home button thing [TS]

01:01:54   like I thought beforehand you know many [TS]

01:01:56   of us thought beforehand like this is [TS]

01:01:58   gonna be a big problem it's gonna be a [TS]

01:02:00   huge thing to get used to it's gonna be [TS]

01:02:01   really annoying and then in practice it [TS]

01:02:03   just wasn't and that's how the not just [TS]

01:02:06   is proving to be for me like as a [TS]

01:02:08   developer it's a huge pain in my rear [TS]

01:02:11   end it's mostly in landscape [TS]

01:02:13   but but as a user of the phone it really [TS]

01:02:17   is not that noticeable most of the time [TS]

01:02:20   I will say I do notice it when [TS]

01:02:23   transitions happen [TS]

01:02:24   that push content under it or pull [TS]

01:02:27   content out from below it so leaving an [TS]

01:02:29   app opening an app any kind of full [TS]

01:02:31   screen that gets presented in an app and [TS]

01:02:33   then later dismissed like you kind of it [TS]

01:02:35   when your eye is kind of drawn to notice [TS]

01:02:37   vertical things like that that reach the [TS]

01:02:40   top of the screen I do notice it more [TS]

01:02:42   but most of the rest of usage I don't [TS]

01:02:45   notice the knotch it really isn't a [TS]

01:02:47   problem the only other time I noticed it [TS]

01:02:48   is when I try to tap it to scroll to the [TS]

01:02:50   top and it doesn't work like because the [TS]

01:02:53   nots is not touch sensitive so you can [TS]

01:02:55   tap near the notch and it will scroll [TS]

01:02:57   the top you can tap the ears it'll [TS]

01:02:58   scroll the top but the actual not [TS]

01:03:00   yourself is not touch sensitive they [TS]

01:03:03   should just do it a drawing app it [TS]

01:03:05   doesn't make the camera button yeah [TS]

01:03:07   leave the camera on it just since when [TS]

01:03:09   you put your finger over it it blacks it [TS]

01:03:11   out oh what a hilarious but clever hack [TS]

01:03:16   that was it didn't make it their app [TS]

01:03:18   review turns out what a surprise but [TS]

01:03:21   anyway yeah so yeah not so far [TS]

01:03:24   I really it really doesn't seem to be a [TS]

01:03:26   problem [TS]

01:03:28   you can argue whether whether they need [TS]

01:03:31   it to be there whether they could have [TS]

01:03:32   done something more like the s8 but I [TS]

01:03:35   think what they did actually works [TS]

01:03:38   I paint me to say that because the notch [TS]

01:03:40   is so weird and in landscape it really [TS]

01:03:43   is a mess but I never use my phone in [TS]

01:03:45   landscape [TS]

01:03:46   unless I'm watching a video in which [TS]

01:03:47   case I can have it do the zoom thing [TS]

01:03:49   where it doesn't show over the knotch [TS]

01:03:51   which I think any right-thinking person [TS]

01:03:52   should but but you wouldn't want it [TS]

01:03:54   you'll never like the video thing is not [TS]

01:03:56   something that people should worry about [TS]

01:03:57   because very little video unless you're [TS]

01:04:00   watching like Lawrence of Arabia or [TS]

01:04:01   something it's like you know really [TS]

01:04:03   really wide aspect great right right the [TS]

01:04:05   phone is not the same aspect ratio as [TS]

01:04:07   most TV in movies it's wider than most [TS]

01:04:09   TVs in movies it's the only time the not [TS]

01:04:10   to interfere with your video is if [TS]

01:04:11   you're zooming to cut off the top to the [TS]

01:04:13   bottom of your pictures it's a really [TS]

01:04:14   tall phone and when you turn sideways [TS]

01:04:16   it's really wide yeah so overall not not [TS]

01:04:21   really a problem it is it isn't perfect [TS]

01:04:24   it's a little weird sometimes but [TS]

01:04:26   overall it's [TS]

01:04:27   seems fine so unlike the iPhone 7 home [TS]

01:04:32   button or whatever was the home button [TS]

01:04:33   is introduced I don't think it will be [TS]

01:04:35   here next year saying and you know what [TS]

01:04:36   I actually prefer the knotch to having [TS]

01:04:38   no not like you want no reference and as [TS]

01:04:41   I said I think when we were talking [TS]

01:04:42   about the notch a couple episodes ago [TS]

01:04:44   Apple doesn't want the notch to be there [TS]

01:04:46   it's a compromise that is necessary for [TS]

01:04:47   a whole bunch of other stuff that we're [TS]

01:04:48   gonna get to in a little bit right if [TS]

01:04:51   Apple can get rid of the knotch they [TS]

01:04:53   will and no matter how big a part it [TS]

01:04:54   becomes as a branding eventually this [TS]

01:04:56   notch is going away when the tech exists [TS]

01:04:57   to do it because if Johnny eyes is still [TS]

01:04:59   alive [TS]

01:05:00   bless his heart the true in the mental [TS]

01:05:03   form of the iPhone is to be an unbroken [TS]

01:05:05   it's not a round rack hyper ellipsoid [TS]

01:05:08   whatever that shape completely uniform [TS]

01:05:12   and by the way it's speaking of the [TS]

01:05:13   uniform that's another thing about this [TS]

01:05:15   phone it is more symmetrical more [TS]

01:05:19   physically tactically tact [TS]

01:05:22   yeah what's the tactile means like yeah [TS]

01:05:25   tactile and touch sensitively like the [TS]

01:05:28   surface features of it are more [TS]

01:05:30   symmetrical than almost any other phone [TS]

01:05:32   certainly I think it than any other [TS]

01:05:33   iPhone right because they all had [TS]

01:05:35   something that was indented in some way [TS]

01:05:38   on the bottom to tell you that's the [TS]

01:05:41   chin and then the thing without the [TS]

01:05:42   indents is the forehead or you could [TS]

01:05:44   feel the little speaker slit for the [TS]

01:05:46   forehead or whatever it's not like an [TS]

01:05:48   Apple TV remote and especially if you [TS]

01:05:50   have a case it's pretty easy to tell [TS]

01:05:52   what's up and what's down because the [TS]

01:05:55   case Apple's cases at least don't have [TS]

01:05:57   anything on the bottom which will become [TS]

01:05:58   super important when we start talking [TS]

01:06:00   about how you use this damn phone but it [TS]

01:06:04   have come closer than I've ever come [TS]

01:06:07   before to briefly attempting to pick up [TS]

01:06:09   a phone in the wrong orientation so that [TS]

01:06:11   is a factor and when Johnny gets his way [TS]

01:06:13   and it is really truly uniform and [TS]

01:06:16   there's no notch and like everything is [TS]

01:06:17   it's the police featureless beautiful [TS]

01:06:20   polished stone I mean maybe we won't [TS]

01:06:22   matter because maybe like you can pick [TS]

01:06:24   it up any way you want and the [TS]

01:06:25   orientation won't matter because at that [TS]

01:06:26   point Johnny's removed the volume [TS]

01:06:27   buttons as well and we just all talk to [TS]

01:06:28   it to change the volume it's really [TS]

01:06:30   convenient just tap triple tap three or [TS]

01:06:32   tap over to via Morse code and it will [TS]

01:06:33   change the volume or just say hey Siri [TS]

01:06:35   turn the volume up 80% [TS]

01:06:38   I'm getting all snarky but but either [TS]

01:06:40   way that is a factor with the 10 it is [TS]

01:06:42   more symmetrical than previous iPhones [TS]

01:06:43   and there is the possibility of you [TS]

01:06:45   occasionally getting confused about [TS]

01:06:47   which way is up but only briefly I don't [TS]

01:06:48   think it's really a problem but it's in [TS]

01:06:50   in the first few days with the phone I [TS]

01:06:52   had that experience I will say one area [TS]

01:06:54   where they changed the symmetry aspect a [TS]

01:06:56   little bit I think for the better is [TS]

01:06:59   that unlike the 6 7 and 8 and their plus [TS]

01:07:02   varieties the sleep/wake button is now [TS]

01:07:04   no longer perfectly overlapping [TS]

01:07:07   symmetrically with the volume up button [TS]

01:07:08   now the sleep/wake button has moved down [TS]

01:07:11   slightly so it is centered between the [TS]

01:07:13   volume up and down buttons so now it is [TS]

01:07:16   substantially easier to hit sleep-wake [TS]

01:07:19   or volume up without hitting the other [TS]

01:07:21   one accidentally but then you do have to [TS]

01:07:23   hit them for that's how you get like the [TS]

01:07:25   the shutdown thing to come yeah usually [TS]

01:07:28   still be squeezing do it yeah or during [TS]

01:07:31   the command all delete sequence anyway [TS]

01:07:42   yeah but you don't [TS]

01:07:43   the other thing I will say though about [TS]

01:07:44   the sleep/wake button I do love finally [TS]

01:07:47   that it is no longer lined up perfectly [TS]

01:07:48   with volume up however it is fairly [TS]

01:07:51   difficult to double click it which makes [TS]

01:07:54   it really annoying to use Apple pay you [TS]

01:07:57   actually take 7 screenshots when you try [TS]

01:07:59   to pay for something yeah like I have [TS]

01:08:00   found Apple pay is is fairly tricky to [TS]

01:08:03   invoke with that double click my poor [TS]

01:08:05   wife would like I told her how to use [TS]

01:08:07   Apple pay I didn't tell her the story [TS]

01:08:09   about the people being confused about [TS]

01:08:11   that the touch thing but it did say oh [TS]

01:08:13   you know when you do Apple hey now just [TS]

01:08:15   so you know you hit the power button [TS]

01:08:16   twice right but you know what it's like [TS]

01:08:18   when you're in like a checkout line and [TS]

01:08:19   like this is the pressure for you to [TS]

01:08:20   perform it's your new phone and you're [TS]

01:08:24   not you know you haven't used it before [TS]

01:08:26   but you don't want to look silly you [TS]

01:08:27   don't want to hold people up and I think [TS]

01:08:30   what she was doing was like you know it [TS]

01:08:32   brings up that little thing on the [TS]

01:08:33   screen that has like a highlight on the [TS]

01:08:34   screen says here press this button twice [TS]

01:08:36   to activate yeah mum pay or whatever you [TS]

01:08:38   know that thing I think she was tapping [TS]

01:08:40   on that on the screen and of course it's [TS]

01:08:42   not doing anything and she's being [TS]

01:08:44   flustered and she I think she eventually [TS]

01:08:46   figured it out but first experience it's [TS]

01:08:51   just I think [TS]

01:08:52   that Guy'd that thing trying to tell you [TS]

01:08:53   what to do is a good interface and that [TS]

01:08:55   will help people but under pressure with [TS]

01:08:57   people behind you at the checkout line [TS]

01:08:59   everyone can be a little silly so tiny [TS]

01:09:04   bit of learning curve there practice [TS]

01:09:06   beforehand and I am sure it will be fine [TS]

01:09:07   also and it's also annoying when you're [TS]

01:09:10   downloading a new app from the App Store [TS]

01:09:11   after purchases have the same thing [TS]

01:09:13   where you have to double tap that thing [TS]

01:09:15   at the other side button and if you hold [TS]

01:09:17   your phone in your left hand that's [TS]

01:09:19   surprisingly hard to do without hitting [TS]

01:09:21   any other buttons accidentally so that's [TS]

01:09:23   it's just it's it's not a good gesture I [TS]

01:09:26   also wonder like why does that need to [TS]

01:09:28   be there why can't you just tap on the [TS]

01:09:30   screen or swipe up from the bottom or do [TS]

01:09:32   anything anything else yeah why can't [TS]

01:09:35   there be an on screen gesture to do that [TS]

01:09:37   I don't understand why that has to be [TS]

01:09:38   the only way to approve payments like [TS]

01:09:40   maybe if you're like holding your phone [TS]

01:09:42   down like on a subway turnstile you want [TS]

01:09:44   something that's not on the screen to [TS]

01:09:45   activate it I guess yeah yeah yeah I [TS]

01:09:47   think you want a hardware thing as a [TS]

01:09:49   fallback but yeah but like why can't I [TS]

01:09:50   just have a button on screen saying you [TS]

01:09:52   know pay like what no I don't understand [TS]

01:09:54   why I need to double tap a hardware [TS]

01:09:57   button while face ID has already [TS]

01:09:59   authenticated me that doesn't make sense [TS]

01:10:00   to me right yeah especially since you [TS]

01:10:01   have to do face idea anyway before that [TS]

01:10:03   so it knows I'm right here like it's [TS]

01:10:05   just yeah that that that's like the one [TS]

01:10:07   it's there's one of two changes to iOS [TS]

01:10:11   that really I think were wrong calls to [TS]

01:10:13   it to accommodate for this phone that [TS]

01:10:16   and control centers location though I [TS]

01:10:19   really hope that iOS 12 changes both of [TS]

01:10:22   those things or gives us options to [TS]

01:10:24   change those things because like most of [TS]

01:10:27   iOS has adapted somewhat gracefully at [TS]

01:10:31   least to this phone but that DoubleTap [TS]

01:10:34   second to confirm payment and the [TS]

01:10:35   control center being completely [TS]

01:10:37   unreachable is those are big problems [TS]

01:10:40   where would you put control center if [TS]

01:10:43   not there because I agree with you a [TS]

01:10:44   hundred percent that it is really an [TS]

01:10:48   inconvenient location but I'm I'm at a [TS]

01:10:50   loss as to where it should go [TS]

01:10:52   it's swap it for reach ability swipe [TS]

01:10:54   down on the home indicator which doesn't [TS]

01:10:56   make sense physically but you can try it [TS]

01:10:57   yeah I turned on reach ability to I [TS]

01:10:59   figured I might need to use it because [TS]

01:11:01   the phone so tall and I really have a [TS]

01:11:03   hard time activating that honestly [TS]

01:11:05   it isn't on it is not an easy gesture to [TS]

01:11:07   do because the the area if you have to [TS]

01:11:09   swipe down in doesn't have a lot of [TS]

01:11:12   height and it's already the very bottom [TS]

01:11:14   the phones if I reach all the way at the [TS]

01:11:15   bottom which ironically for feature name [TS]

01:11:17   reach ability is actually not that easy [TS]

01:11:18   and then swipe down which is also not [TS]

01:11:20   that easy from already being at the [TS]

01:11:22   bottom so it's that's not an easy [TS]

01:11:24   gesture to do there's lots of options [TS]

01:11:27   where they could put Control Center I [TS]

01:11:28   think some of them could be like you [TS]

01:11:30   know certain you know maybe if you swipe [TS]

01:11:32   up when you're already on the home [TS]

01:11:34   screen you know something like that or [TS]

01:11:36   it could be like the top half of [TS]

01:11:39   Notification Center somehow there's [TS]

01:11:41   other you could like swipe and it could [TS]

01:11:43   be on the widgets screen like there are [TS]

01:11:45   so many places they could put it you [TS]

01:11:48   know I I hope they figure something out [TS]

01:11:50   that's better because where they put it [TS]

01:11:52   now is they basically taken the controls [TS]

01:11:56   that you are more likely than average to [TS]

01:11:58   have to use while holding the phone [TS]

01:12:00   one-handed on the move and they have put [TS]

01:12:02   them in the location that has the least [TS]

01:12:04   possible to reach in that situation so I [TS]

01:12:07   I think where they put it now is so bad [TS]

01:12:10   that pretty much any other option would [TS]

01:12:12   be better yeah I think control center [TS]

01:12:15   itself could use some help and other [TS]

01:12:16   people mention this like I'm the [TS]

01:12:17   lockscreen now suddenly becomes much [TS]

01:12:19   more usable when like it's not you know [TS]

01:12:22   when face ID is in the mix like the fact [TS]

01:12:25   that we can wake the phone up by [TS]

01:12:26   touching the screen now means that [TS]

01:12:28   suddenly if I could configurable things [TS]

01:12:30   from control center on the screen [TS]

01:12:31   instead of just flashlight and what is [TS]

01:12:33   the other one it's flashlight and camera [TS]

01:12:34   camera which you don't even need a [TS]

01:12:37   camera there because because you can [TS]

01:12:38   swipe from the side there are a few [TS]

01:12:40   other options there's like Apple TV [TS]

01:12:41   remotes and stuff but they made it [TS]

01:12:43   slightly configurable in Iowa's 11i [TS]

01:12:46   which was nice it was welcome but yeah [TS]

01:12:47   they could do a lot more there's a lot [TS]

01:12:49   of room on the screen and control center [TS]

01:12:50   itself from from whenever they change [TS]

01:12:52   this new control center I guess it was [TS]

01:12:53   iOS 11 yeah you can configure it by [TS]

01:12:55   saying which things you want it but you [TS]

01:12:56   can't rearrange it and the ones you can [TS]

01:12:58   figure get to go down and like the the [TS]

01:13:00   other area as they slowly build like [TS]

01:13:02   it's there's a lot of room for [TS]

01:13:03   improvement in customization there and [TS]

01:13:05   some of that might actually help with [TS]

01:13:07   the reachability controls that are not [TS]

01:13:08   the activation but once you activate it [TS]

01:13:10   if things can be nearer the upper right [TS]

01:13:13   because that's where your thumbs gonna [TS]

01:13:14   be because that's where it just was to [TS]

01:13:15   activate it like it just changes the [TS]

01:13:17   calculus and how easy [TS]

01:13:18   then while we're on this topic of Marco [TS]

01:13:21   talking about the reachability gesture [TS]

01:13:23   being tricky before we get to face ID [TS]

01:13:26   the other important aspect of this phone [TS]

01:13:29   the lack of a home button manifests in [TS]

01:13:32   in all of us learning about the lovely [TS]

01:13:35   swipe up from the bottom of your iPhone [TS]

01:13:37   10 gesture which is the replacement for [TS]

01:13:39   hitting the home button and also [TS]

01:13:40   depending on how fast you do it to get [TS]

01:13:42   you into multitasking and stuff like [TS]

01:13:43   that but really one of the most common [TS]

01:13:45   operations we all do and iPhones that [TS]

01:13:47   have doing for a long time is [TS]

01:13:49   essentially hitting the home button to [TS]

01:13:51   go home right face ID and touch ID which [TS]

01:13:55   we'll talk about in a bit is a separate [TS]

01:13:57   thing and when you talk about touching [TS]

01:13:59   the home button sometimes it gets [TS]

01:14:02   confuse the face ID it's like well you [TS]

01:14:03   have to try face any multiple times [TS]

01:14:05   sometimes your finger is wet and [TS]

01:14:06   sometimes you just don't have it the [TS]

01:14:07   right angle all that is true but there's [TS]

01:14:10   one thing I never have to try to do [TS]

01:14:12   twice and that's pressing the home [TS]

01:14:14   button for a non face non touch ID [TS]

01:14:16   purpose yes I do have to futz with face [TS]

01:14:19   touch ID I do it all the time [TS]

01:14:20   touch of these really fast it works [TS]

01:14:22   great most of the time but everyone [TS]

01:14:23   someone had to futz with it but never [TS]

01:14:25   when I'm using my phone I'm I'm in an [TS]

01:14:27   app and I still I still go back to the [TS]

01:14:29   home screen I tend not to double tap for [TS]

01:14:31   you know multitasking but even if I did [TS]

01:14:33   that single tap or Delta it works every [TS]

01:14:35   time I never missed the tap I can feel [TS]

01:14:38   where the button is and when I press it [TS]

01:14:39   works physical button fake home button [TS]

01:14:42   that doesn't move either way it works [TS]

01:14:43   with iPhone 10 that gesture to go home I [TS]

01:14:48   don't know how frequently but a nonzero [TS]

01:14:51   amount of the time I have to make a [TS]

01:14:53   second or even a third attempted to [TS]

01:14:55   swipe up from bottom gesture and [TS]

01:14:56   remember there's no case they're [TS]

01:14:58   interfering with me the Apple cases do [TS]

01:14:59   not extend across the bottom and I watch [TS]

01:15:01   my wife use the phone and she too every [TS]

01:15:04   once in a while has to try that swipe [TS]

01:15:06   again it's not particularly time [TS]

01:15:09   consuming but for a very common [TS]

01:15:11   operation this is one of the aspects of [TS]

01:15:13   using the phone that feels like a slight [TS]

01:15:15   downgrade the reliability of what used [TS]

01:15:17   to be a very very reliable thing [TS]

01:15:20   pressing the home button now has entered [TS]

01:15:24   the realm of sort of like touch ID where [TS]

01:15:25   you might have to try it again and I'm [TS]

01:15:28   not sure why I'm missing am I missing [TS]

01:15:30   because I'm not [TS]

01:15:31   meaning my hand lower and the phone is [TS]

01:15:33   larger I'm not getting good swipe on it [TS]

01:15:35   and I'm missing because I'm just not [TS]

01:15:37   good at edge swipes because I've had a [TS]

01:15:39   case and it's a different thing the [TS]

01:15:41   thing when the edge has no case and I'm [TS]

01:15:42   missing the target area am I starting [TS]

01:15:43   too high am i starting too low I don't [TS]

01:15:47   know what it is but I'm having to swipe [TS]

01:15:48   multiple times if you guys have this [TS]

01:15:50   experience where you got to make a [TS]

01:15:51   second attempt at the home gesture I [TS]

01:15:53   feel like I have but it very quickly got [TS]

01:15:57   a lot better over time yeah I have not [TS]

01:16:00   had any unreliability for that I mean it [TS]

01:16:02   took me maybe a half a day to get used [TS]

01:16:03   to it yeah you should watch watch [TS]

01:16:06   yourself or have someone else watch you [TS]

01:16:07   to see if you're just instinctively [TS]

01:16:08   doing it consuming the second you're [TS]

01:16:12   already there the second swipe is pretty [TS]

01:16:14   quick and I don't think I ever have to [TS]

01:16:15   do it more than two or three times but I [TS]

01:16:17   thought maybe it's just me so I watch my [TS]

01:16:19   wife without telling her that I'm [TS]

01:16:20   watching her do this I've seen her do it [TS]

01:16:21   as well to live in your house [TS]

01:16:24   it could it's her phone so she's mostly [TS]

01:16:25   using it it could it be a learning curve [TS]

01:16:27   thing I'm willing to dodge that I'm just [TS]

01:16:29   saying like first week impressions first [TS]

01:16:30   few day impressions that is happening to [TS]

01:16:33   me a little bit I mean while we're on [TS]

01:16:34   the subject of the home swipe I think [TS]

01:16:36   that another kind of questionable area [TS]

01:16:38   for me is the multitasking gesture I [TS]

01:16:41   know you know everyone has their little [TS]

01:16:43   tricks for like oh you do a little [TS]

01:16:44   circle or used to press and hold or [TS]

01:16:47   whatever else but no matter how you do [TS]

01:16:49   it bring up multitasking takes a little [TS]

01:16:52   bit more time now it's a little bit more [TS]

01:16:54   error-prone and if you want to force [TS]

01:16:57   quit an app now granted I know this is a [TS]

01:17:00   controversial topic and you shouldn't [TS]

01:17:02   need to force quit apps but sometimes [TS]

01:17:03   you need to force quit apps and that is [TS]

01:17:05   now significantly slower than it was [TS]

01:17:08   before because now you have to unless [TS]

01:17:10   I'm missing something let's now rest at [TS]

01:17:12   home yeah you have to bring up the old [TS]

01:17:14   switcher which itself is slow then you [TS]

01:17:16   have to like press and hold on the app [TS]

01:17:17   to enable like a little wiggle mode like [TS]

01:17:19   they have in the home screen either they [TS]

01:17:19   don't wiggle anymore and then hit the [TS]

01:17:21   minus button to force quit it and that [TS]

01:17:23   is significantly more gestures and more [TS]

01:17:26   time than double tap the home button [TS]

01:17:29   swipe up which is the previous way to [TS]

01:17:31   terminate that I like that because it [TS]

01:17:33   because it's punishing habitual force [TS]

01:17:35   quitters it is but I but it is also like [TS]

01:17:38   you know the the problem with the force [TS]

01:17:41   quit controversy the reason why you know [TS]

01:17:44   we can't just say [TS]

01:17:45   oh you should never need to force craps [TS]

01:17:46   is because sometimes you do need to [TS]

01:17:48   force quit apps it's hard to look at [TS]

01:17:50   something like this where it makes the [TS]

01:17:51   force quit a lot harder to do and a lot [TS]

01:17:53   more hidden of a thing you can do it's [TS]

01:17:56   hard to look at that and say well it's [TS]

01:17:57   heat that's a definite clear win because [TS]

01:17:59   you shouldn't need to do this cuz yeah [TS]

01:18:02   you shouldn't need to do it but you do [TS]

01:18:03   need to do it you know it's like and and [TS]

01:18:05   maybe not for battery life reasons [TS]

01:18:07   necessarily although sometimes that is [TS]

01:18:10   the reason some have to do that battery [TS]

01:18:12   life but you know it's it's a kind of [TS]

01:18:15   thing where it would be nice if if you [TS]

01:18:17   never had to do this and then you could [TS]

01:18:19   make it impossible to quit an app [TS]

01:18:21   because why I even have a way if you [TS]

01:18:23   never have to do it but we do still have [TS]

01:18:25   to do it and so to make it harder is [TS]

01:18:28   annoying [TS]

01:18:29   that much harder the prescient hold I'm [TS]

01:18:31   the hater of Preston old as much as [TS]

01:18:33   anybody I hit any action where I have to [TS]

01:18:34   do something for a set amount of time [TS]

01:18:35   there's no way to speed it up but for [TS]

01:18:38   this action I mean I don't do it often [TS]

01:18:40   enough that I would be annoyed by the [TS]

01:18:42   press and hold because once you press [TS]

01:18:43   and hold you're in the mode and you can [TS]

01:18:45   kill multiple apps bug on kill kill kill [TS]

01:18:47   kill kill so people can still do that [TS]

01:18:49   there's just a slight delay when you do [TS]

01:18:51   press and hold to get into the mode I'm [TS]

01:18:53   more with you on multitasking which I [TS]

01:18:55   find very difficult to get into mostly [TS]

01:18:56   because you have to like either pull up [TS]

01:18:59   slowly like there's there's a whole [TS]

01:19:01   bunch of moves you can still the thing [TS]

01:19:02   that the end of that I think is nice is [TS]

01:19:03   if you want to switch back and forth and [TS]

01:19:05   apps you could swipe side to side with [TS]

01:19:06   no delay like you don't have to do any [TS]

01:19:08   weird motion but if you want to bring up [TS]

01:19:10   the switcher especially especially this [TS]

01:19:12   kills me if you want to bring up the [TS]

01:19:14   multitasking switcher from the home [TS]

01:19:15   screen I would wonder if you just [TS]

01:19:17   surveyed people new iPhone 10 users ask [TS]

01:19:19   them it new this is hard find new iPhone [TS]

01:19:21   10 users who know about the multitasking [TS]

01:19:23   switcher but don't know that you whether [TS]

01:19:26   or not you can bring it from the home [TS]

01:19:27   screen and ask them hey can you bring up [TS]

01:19:28   the multitasking switch are from the [TS]

01:19:30   home screen I bet people think you can't [TS]

01:19:32   do it because that gesture for some [TS]

01:19:33   weird reason is so much harder for me to [TS]

01:19:35   do than it is from within an application [TS]

01:19:37   do you guys find that no you don't have [TS]

01:19:41   a go do it now take out your phone right [TS]

01:19:42   now I've been doing it during this [TS]

01:19:43   entire conversation and I have about a [TS]

01:19:45   maybe two-thirds success rate you're [TS]

01:19:49   talking about this the come up and stop [TS]

01:19:51   or the environment from from the homes [TS]

01:19:53   from springboard go to springboard and [TS]

01:19:55   bring up the multitasking switcher [TS]

01:19:57   mm-hmm I find that very [TS]

01:19:59   bring up the message which from apps is [TS]

01:20:01   just slow but I don't fail at it from [TS]

01:20:03   the home screen I fail at it it's the [TS]

01:20:05   same exact juice I know it shouldn't be [TS]

01:20:08   but what's the different I don't know [TS]

01:20:09   what's different all I know is I am NOT [TS]

01:20:11   as is it because they hide the home [TS]

01:20:12   indicator and I somehow need that line [TS]

01:20:14   on the bottom of the screen I don't know [TS]

01:20:15   what the problem interesting ok I can [TS]

01:20:17   understand that maybe I miss aiming like [TS]

01:20:20   I'm swiping up is not my friend the [TS]

01:20:23   bottom is not my forte let me tell you [TS]

01:20:25   this could just be a learning curve but [TS]

01:20:27   but initially like the first 10 seconds [TS]

01:20:30   I'm using the phone I thought oh you [TS]

01:20:31   can't bring up the Maltese for sure [TS]

01:20:32   that's what I thought and then [TS]

01:20:34   eventually I figured I had to do it but [TS]

01:20:35   you despite that after figuring out how [TS]

01:20:37   to do it like I would I would go to the [TS]

01:20:39   home screen like alright we're gonna do [TS]

01:20:41   it we're gonna do it this time and [TS]

01:20:42   nothing I'm swiping up uselessly [TS]

01:20:44   try again and do I have to go faster [TS]

01:20:46   slower am I starting in the wrong spot [TS]

01:20:47   and then eventually it comes up but I'll [TS]

01:20:50   point out this is another area double [TS]

01:20:51   tapping the home button works every time [TS]

01:20:54   the first time I can find the button I [TS]

01:20:55   double tap it not if you have a triple [TS]

01:20:59   tap shortcut for an accessibility [TS]

01:21:00   feature enabled for app development I'm [TS]

01:21:06   sure that you have to test all this [TS]

01:21:07   stuff but I don't have this oh my life [TS]

01:21:09   changed when I could just have Siri turn [TS]

01:21:11   on a voiceover then I can finally turn [TS]

01:21:14   off the triple click because there were [TS]

01:21:15   so many times when I would try to open [TS]

01:21:17   up the app switcher accidentally triple [TS]

01:21:19   click instead of double clicking because [TS]

01:21:21   the button was a little bit mushy or [TS]

01:21:22   something and then somewhere out in the [TS]

01:21:24   world where I'm in public my phone says [TS]

01:21:26   voiceover on I will say that I spoke to [TS]

01:21:32   Erin very briefly before I recorded and [TS]

01:21:35   asked her what she thought of her phone [TS]

01:21:37   and one of the things that she really [TS]

01:21:39   did not like was the change in [TS]

01:21:42   multitasking she because she felt like [TS]

01:21:44   it was considerably more fiddly and and [TS]

01:21:48   there are like Marco was saying there [TS]

01:21:50   are occasions when she will want or need [TS]

01:21:52   to force quit an app and it was really [TS]

01:21:55   annoying to her that that the new [TS]

01:21:57   mechanism is so slow [TS]

01:21:59   what are these occasions and why are you [TS]

01:22:01   both encouraged you know what it's gonna [TS]

01:22:02   be really bad it's gonna be next next [TS]

01:22:04   fall when we're trying to order our [TS]

01:22:06   replacements to this phone using the [TS]

01:22:07   Apple Store app on the phone and trying [TS]

01:22:09   to force quit it over and over again to [TS]

01:22:10   get it at the morning [TS]

01:22:11   just gonna be existing think about that [TS]

01:22:14   we're all gonna fail [TS]

01:22:17   okay see when are you encouraging Aaron [TS]

01:22:19   why don't she force quitting apps why [TS]

01:22:21   what are you doing this for I don't know [TS]

01:22:24   why you're so deeply offended by this [TS]

01:22:26   like she is not a habitual force quitter [TS]

01:22:28   but there are times when apps do things [TS]

01:22:29   that are not right well yes she does use [TS]

01:22:35   Facebook but I don't have to frickin [TS]

01:22:36   justify her actions to you you're not [TS]

01:22:38   the boss of her I know but I'm just [TS]

01:22:41   saying like shouldn't you be like saying [TS]

01:22:43   if you think if force quitting is such [TS]

01:22:45   an important part of your iPhone [TS]

01:22:47   workflow what's going on there are you [TS]

01:22:50   using an application that always [TS]

01:22:51   misbehaves that you have to use anyway [TS]

01:22:53   like what's the because I don't think it [TS]

01:22:55   should be a regular part of people it [TS]

01:22:57   should only be like when an app is [TS]

01:22:58   broken or misbehaving and you know what [TS]

01:23:03   a lot of apps are broken and misbehave [TS]

01:23:04   all the time like Facebook yeah but if [TS]

01:23:07   they're broken or misbehaving frequently [TS]

01:23:08   you stop using that app like broken [TS]

01:23:10   means like I'll come back to the app and [TS]

01:23:14   stop using Facebook good luck with that [TS]

01:23:17   I'm asking if it's Facebook you can say [TS]

01:23:20   oh it's because she uses Facebook and [TS]

01:23:21   I'd say okay well that's why it's [TS]

01:23:22   important but if you forget you know [TS]

01:23:24   what it is I don't pay attention to how [TS]

01:23:27   often I force quit apps but I feel like [TS]

01:23:28   maybe once a day I'll force quit an app [TS]

01:23:31   and and I would say the only reason I do [TS]

01:23:33   it is because I feel like that app is [TS]

01:23:35   misbehaving now which add huh that's [TS]

01:23:37   where you start getting into the booty [TS]

01:23:38   you feel like like I feel like this app [TS]

01:23:41   is bad I want to make it stop being bad [TS]

01:23:46   and then using you force quit it and [TS]

01:23:48   you're like I've stopped it from being [TS]

01:23:50   bad now I feel better [TS]

01:23:51   you're misconstruing me not being able [TS]

01:23:53   to cite a specific example with me just [TS]

01:23:55   doing it because magic it's not that I'm [TS]

01:23:58   doing it because magic it's not magic [TS]

01:24:00   but you don't have enough [TS]

01:24:01   instrumentation in iOS to really really [TS]

01:24:03   know whether what you're doing is [TS]

01:24:06   helping or not it makes you feel better [TS]

01:24:08   but are you doing like scientific tests [TS]

01:24:10   to you know a be test for scoring not [TS]

01:24:13   force according with no you're not [TS]

01:24:14   you're just saying I got the feeling [TS]

01:24:15   that this thing is doing a thing that I [TS]

01:24:17   don't want I want to stop it no no [TS]

01:24:18   that's okay so let me give you an [TS]

01:24:20   example that does not happen often but I [TS]

01:24:22   know you're not going to let this go [TS]

01:24:23   until the king is satisfied [TS]

01:24:25   so as an example on occasion Tweetbot [TS]

01:24:28   will be and I know who Twitter if ik [TS]

01:24:30   blah blah [TS]

01:24:30   we thought would be the Tweety pot we'll [TS]

01:24:33   be confused as to whether or not it can [TS]

01:24:34   be in streaming mode and when I'm on [TS]

01:24:36   Wi-Fi I prefer to use the bottom stream [TS]

01:24:42   like you but you're not letting this go [TS]

01:24:45   until I cite a specific example that is [TS]

01:24:47   a specific example yeah all right all [TS]

01:24:50   right I mean we're saying is that you [TS]

01:24:51   have a higher tolerance for using bug [TS]

01:24:53   applications than you deal with that by [TS]

01:24:55   saying well I know sometimes I know [TS]

01:24:56   sometimes it gets confused when I change [TS]

01:24:57   from cellular Wi-Fi about whether it can [TS]

01:24:59   use screening but my fix is I just force [TS]

01:25:01   quit it and that becomes part of your [TS]

01:25:02   workflow essentially you know that's the [TS]

01:25:03   thing that happens with the app but you [TS]

01:25:05   still want to use the app so you force [TS]

01:25:07   quit it and I guess I just don't have [TS]

01:25:09   apps in my that I use that do that maybe [TS]

01:25:11   and you're all again you're over blowing [TS]

01:25:14   the amount of times that I do this maybe [TS]

01:25:18   yeah maybe once a day across all the [TS]

01:25:21   different apps that I use during the day [TS]

01:25:22   I'm trying to think back to the last [TS]

01:25:24   time I force quit anything on my phone I [TS]

01:25:26   guess it was probably the night we [TS]

01:25:27   ordered the the thing because you know [TS]

01:25:28   you had it to make the Apple Store app [TS]

01:25:30   refresh your stuff I think that's the [TS]

01:25:32   last time I did it and had I not ordered [TS]

01:25:33   an iPhone at 3 a.m. I would have like [TS]

01:25:35   what's the time before that that I had [TS]

01:25:36   forced quit I would be hard-pressed to [TS]

01:25:38   say hey Marco can you defend me on this [TS]

01:25:40   one or you leave me I'll try he's forced [TS]

01:25:43   quitting his own apps cuz he's writing [TS]

01:25:44   them and they have bugs no idea before [TS]

01:25:46   script my own app I if you hit stop and [TS]

01:25:48   Xcode of course quits it no I I will [TS]

01:25:53   usually force quit maybe one app every 1 [TS]

01:25:57   to 2 days for some reason and and [TS]

01:25:59   they're usually I think decent reasons [TS]

01:26:00   it and I don't think that's I don't [TS]

01:26:02   think that's an unhealthy frequency or [TS]

01:26:03   unusual one I I was I would be I would [TS]

01:26:06   not have guessed those numbers he's like [TS]

01:26:07   I said I just maybe use more apps than I [TS]

01:26:09   do or try and more new apps or more of [TS]

01:26:12   the apps use every day because if you [TS]

01:26:13   use an app every day that has like an [TS]

01:26:15   annoying thing like that like for [TS]

01:26:16   example the last time I force quit an [TS]

01:26:18   app on my wife's phone it was we were [TS]

01:26:20   setting up her iPhone 10 and for [TS]

01:26:22   whatever reason Twitter if occur you go [TS]

01:26:24   KZ Twitter if ik was having some problem [TS]

01:26:26   where it was we could switch to one of [TS]

01:26:28   her Twitter accounts but not to another [TS]

01:26:30   one don't even ask [TS]

01:26:32   and like it would just go on the screen [TS]

01:26:35   or be I would say like contacting [TS]

01:26:36   Twitter services out of that and [TS]

01:26:38   deleted the cash in Twitter if occur [TS]

01:26:40   which is a nice diagnostic tool a [TS]

01:26:41   Twitter who gives you and that and that [TS]

01:26:42   did not help in this case and so I had [TS]

01:26:45   to force quit it because it was just [TS]

01:26:47   kind of like stuck on that screen and I [TS]

01:26:49   think that was like you should be less [TS]

01:26:51   buggy apps [TS]

01:26:52   yeah well that's like you ported [TS]

01:26:53   yourself from into a new phone and we're [TS]

01:26:55   trying you know like it was like [TS]

01:26:56   restored from iCloud backup and [TS]

01:26:58   sometimes there are some problems like [TS]

01:27:00   getting back up and running on that but [TS]

01:27:02   that's it like after that it's fine so [TS]

01:27:04   that's the last time I did it for a [TS]

01:27:05   buggy app reason but that wasn't on my [TS]

01:27:07   phone and that was like a first setup [TS]

01:27:08   where you're you know trying to make [TS]

01:27:10   sure you signed into all the accounts [TS]

01:27:11   and re adding everything the Apple [TS]

01:27:12   wallet and it's in the middle of God [TS]

01:27:14   knows whatever photo analyzing stuff [TS]

01:27:15   that's doing like the initial setup is [TS]

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01:28:51   in any case so at one of the things that [TS]

01:28:54   Aaron said was that she's frustrated [TS]

01:28:56   with the multitasking she didn't give a [TS]

01:28:59   crap about the notch either in a good [TS]

01:29:00   way you know she doesn't really notice [TS]

01:29:01   it [TS]

01:29:02   she was very in and this is gonna I [TS]

01:29:05   guess segue a segue us into into face ID [TS]

01:29:08   she was very grumbly about the angle of [TS]

01:29:13   attack necessary for face ID to work so [TS]

01:29:16   by that I mean I think a lot of times [TS]

01:29:19   she'll be like sitting on a couch or [TS]

01:29:21   something like that and maybe reclined [TS]

01:29:22   or it just in a position where the phone [TS]

01:29:25   she wants to unlock her phone but the [TS]

01:29:28   phone isn't necessarily looking at her [TS]

01:29:31   and she was really annoyed that she has [TS]

01:29:35   to have some amount of consideration of [TS]

01:29:37   what the phone needs in order to unlock [TS]

01:29:40   her phone and she found that really [TS]

01:29:42   frustrating and you know what I I think [TS]

01:29:44   she's right now it doesn't bother me as [TS]

01:29:45   much I don't think because I think more [TS]

01:29:48   often than not the phone is staring I'm [TS]

01:29:50   staring longingly into my phone's [TS]

01:29:52   infrared eyeballs as I'm trying to [TS]

01:29:54   unlock it but but but I guess for [TS]

01:29:58   whatever reason I mean because Mom [TS]

01:30:00   because Aaron because any number of [TS]

01:30:02   reasons she she felt like she was [TS]

01:30:05   frequently getting tripped up by face ID [TS]

01:30:09   not unlocking because the phone was [TS]

01:30:12   entangled exactly right and where it [TS]

01:30:16   seemed to bother her quite a bit it [TS]

01:30:17   bothers me only a teeny bit and the [TS]

01:30:20   other thing she said was and not [TS]

01:30:22   specifically around face ID but mostly [TS]

01:30:25   around face ID like this did bleed into [TS]

01:30:27   other places like multitasking as an [TS]

01:30:29   example but she just said that every is [TS]

01:30:31   she said everything just seems slower [TS]

01:30:34   you know so as an example double tapping [TS]

01:30:36   a home button is much quicker than the [TS]

01:30:38   swipe up and stop the the most recent [TS]

01:30:42   touch ID is instant and face ID is not [TS]

01:30:46   instant and I was talking to somebody [TS]

01:30:48   just earlier tonight actually and I was [TS]

01:30:51   saying to them you know if I if I take [TS]

01:30:52   off my developer hat I am actually [TS]

01:30:56   lightly annoyed about how slow - how [TS]

01:30:59   slow face ID is because it is noticeably [TS]

01:31:02   slow [TS]

01:31:03   is it egregiously slow no it is not but [TS]

01:31:06   it is noticeably slower than the most [TS]

01:31:08   recent touch ID now when I put my [TS]

01:31:10   developer hat back on [TS]

01:31:12   it is a friggin miracle that this thing [TS]

01:31:13   shipped in this quantity in the year [TS]

01:31:15   2017 like how is this even possible how [TS]

01:31:18   is it this quick how is it possible to [TS]

01:31:20   do all that computation that quick but [TS]

01:31:23   when I take my developer hat off how is [TS]

01:31:24   this how is it this slow why would they [TS]

01:31:26   have shipped it it's too slow [TS]

01:31:27   does that make any sense at all yeah I [TS]

01:31:30   think so I mean you know to me I mean [TS]

01:31:32   first of all so to get back to what [TS]

01:31:33   Aaron was saying like the angles of it I [TS]

01:31:36   definitely hit that being like this is [TS]

01:31:38   now a thing I have to adjust with like [TS]

01:31:41   and consider yeah I just didn't consider [TS]

01:31:44   a couple of people in the chat were [TS]

01:31:46   suggesting that maybe tried turning off [TS]

01:31:48   the attention detection to make you like [TS]

01:31:50   a lot happier I think I'm gonna try that [TS]

01:31:51   because I honestly don't need incredibly [TS]

01:31:54   high security what like I don't think [TS]

01:31:57   there's a there has never been a [TS]

01:31:58   situation where somebody has forcibly [TS]

01:32:00   unlocked my phone by showing it to my [TS]

01:32:02   face or putting my thumb on it or [TS]

01:32:03   anything like that so I don't think I [TS]

01:32:05   really need that level of security so [TS]

01:32:08   I'm gonna try that but but it definitely [TS]

01:32:10   is like it takes some some habit [TS]

01:32:13   changing and you know what touch ID [TS]

01:32:15   maybe it did like that was so long ago [TS]

01:32:17   now I don't really remember like did I [TS]

01:32:18   have to you know suddenly press my [TS]

01:32:21   finger in a different way the answer is [TS]

01:32:22   probably that I probably had to adjust [TS]

01:32:24   to that too and and part of what makes [TS]

01:32:27   you know you were saying like some of [TS]

01:32:29   this is just you know it's slower I'm [TS]

01:32:31   multitasking like that's slower some [TS]

01:32:33   things are slower touch ID speed does it [TS]

01:32:36   mean sorry face IDs speed does seem to [TS]

01:32:38   be certainly between touch ID first and [TS]

01:32:42   second generation but a lot closer to [TS]

01:32:44   the first generation and the second I [TS]

01:32:46   would agree it's it's almost as slow as [TS]

01:32:49   first generation touch ID which was [TS]

01:32:50   still totally usable like it just we are [TS]

01:32:53   spoiled by how fast second generation [TS]

01:32:55   touch ID was you know so it is some it [TS]

01:32:58   is a step back in that regard overall [TS]

01:33:01   speed to unlock the phone you know in [TS]

01:33:03   terms of taking it out of your pocket [TS]

01:33:06   unlocking it and go into the home screen [TS]

01:33:08   I don't think it's that different I [TS]

01:33:10   think it might be a little slower but I [TS]

01:33:12   don't think it's a big difference you [TS]

01:33:14   know just because that swipe is is [TS]

01:33:17   fast and integrated in like one [TS]

01:33:19   continuous motion with face ID being [TS]

01:33:20   recognized like I think that's mostly [TS]

01:33:22   fine for accuracy I think it's pretty [TS]

01:33:26   good [TS]

01:33:26   it seems again similar to touch ID [TS]

01:33:31   between first and second generations and [TS]

01:33:33   maybe close to the first but I have [TS]

01:33:37   found that in you know I've had this [TS]

01:33:39   phone now for a little less than a week [TS]

01:33:40   and I have mostly adjusted myself to [TS]

01:33:45   optimize face ID recognition you know [TS]

01:33:47   both accuracy and speed like it did take [TS]

01:33:50   some adjustment I do have to then you [TS]

01:33:51   know have it faced me at a certain angle [TS]

01:33:52   and everything get within a certain [TS]

01:33:54   angle you know it's like every other IO [TS]

01:33:56   iOS developer who has phones tethered to [TS]

01:33:59   a lightning cable sitting on their desk [TS]

01:34:01   most of the day running apps on it it is [TS]

01:34:03   really annoying that it doesn't work [TS]

01:34:05   while lying face-up on a desk because [TS]

01:34:07   the angle is just too steep to see you [TS]

01:34:08   when you're sitting at the desk and it's [TS]

01:34:10   like well you're you are right but I [TS]

01:34:12   will say in the defense of this thing I [TS]

01:34:14   was just venting that I've been [TS]

01:34:16   pleasantly surprised by how aggressive [TS]

01:34:19   the angle can be when it is sitting on a [TS]

01:34:21   desk you are right that it does not work [TS]

01:34:23   you know nearest reliably is like touch [TS]

01:34:25   ID but I was surprised that at a [TS]

01:34:29   reasonably extreme angle it would still [TS]

01:34:31   unlock itself when it's on the desk so [TS]

01:34:33   I'm not like directly over the phone I'm [TS]

01:34:36   you know offset by like 30 40 50 degrees [TS]

01:34:39   and it still was able to work which [TS]

01:34:41   doesn't mean nothing of what I said [TS]

01:34:44   makes you wrong all I'm saying is that [TS]

01:34:46   even though it doesn't work as much as [TS]

01:34:48   I'd like it worked better than I would [TS]

01:34:50   have expected so I haven't been [TS]

01:34:52   unlocking this phone with face it [TS]

01:34:53   obviously because you only put one face [TS]

01:34:54   in it in the faces my wife's on but what [TS]

01:34:57   I have been doing is a watching her use [TS]

01:35:00   her phone and be paying more attention I [TS]

01:35:03   was doing this even before iPhone paying [TS]

01:35:04   more attention to the way that I have [TS]

01:35:06   changed how I use iOS devices in [TS]

01:35:09   response to touch ID because we've all [TS]

01:35:11   made changes to work with touch ID even [TS]

01:35:15   if those changes are the sort of [TS]

01:35:18   instinctive thing I do when I'm locking [TS]

01:35:19   my phone that if it doesn't immediately [TS]

01:35:21   unlock lift my finger and try again [TS]

01:35:23   right or grabbing my phone in a way that [TS]

01:35:26   my finger is on what would previously be [TS]

01:35:28   a point was place to put my finger like [TS]

01:35:29   before there was a [TS]

01:35:30   sensor why would I be picking up my [TS]

01:35:32   phone and having any fingers on the home [TS]

01:35:34   button right unless that's how I'm gonna [TS]

01:35:36   wake the phone up or something right so [TS]

01:35:38   the but I have made adjustments in my [TS]

01:35:41   life to become a touch ID to make it so [TS]

01:35:44   you know to give me the final experience [TS]

01:35:45   so that when I take out of my pocket I [TS]

01:35:47   can start using it as soon as possible [TS]

01:35:48   and a lot of those are like you're [TS]

01:35:50   gripping the phone or in a weird way and [TS]

01:35:52   then you touch this thing and then you [TS]

01:35:53   immediately bring your thumb up to touch [TS]

01:35:55   other stuff because you expect the thing [TS]

01:35:56   to be unlocked the thing about face ID [TS]

01:35:59   before we get into all the technical [TS]

01:36:01   jumble of stuff is you have to address [TS]

01:36:03   yourself in the same way but with touch [TS]

01:36:06   ID what you were adjusting is where and [TS]

01:36:10   when your fingers touch different parts [TS]

01:36:12   of the phone with face ID you are [TS]

01:36:15   potentially adjusting your entire body [TS]

01:36:17   posture to a company to accommodate face [TS]

01:36:21   ID like so when it's on your desk yeah [TS]

01:36:24   it can work at pretty steep angles but [TS]

01:36:26   for people who are accustomed to leaving [TS]

01:36:28   their phone face up on a flat surface [TS]

01:36:30   and waking and unlocking it with touch [TS]

01:36:32   ID being glancing on something and [TS]

01:36:34   putting it back to sleep that's not [TS]

01:36:36   gonna work if you if the phone is like [TS]

01:36:38   off to your right like it's by your [TS]

01:36:39   right hand or whatever and you can just [TS]

01:36:41   glance at it you have to kind of not Lee [TS]

01:36:44   over your phone but you kind of got to [TS]

01:36:46   get in the zone of the phone sensing and [TS]

01:36:50   you can't put your finger in the zone or [TS]

01:36:53   your hand in the zone you've got to put [TS]

01:36:55   your head in the zone your head is [TS]

01:36:56   connected to your neck which is [TS]

01:36:57   connected to your body which means your [TS]

01:36:59   entire body [TS]

01:37:00   that's leaned over to be like hi phone [TS]

01:37:02   even if attention is off it needs to see [TS]

01:37:04   the shape of your face from some angle [TS]

01:37:06   and is impressively wide but you do need [TS]

01:37:09   to get not getting the phone space but [TS]

01:37:12   you kind of got a hover with the phone a [TS]

01:37:13   little bit here I am phone and what I'm [TS]

01:37:17   finding from watching my wife work with [TS]

01:37:18   the phone and for most other people's [TS]

01:37:20   stories is that a surprising number of [TS]

01:37:22   people use their phones in a way that [TS]

01:37:25   does not involve their face being over [TS]

01:37:27   the screen of their phone casually on [TS]

01:37:29   the arm of the sofa unlocking it even [TS]

01:37:32   just waking it from sleeping glancing at [TS]

01:37:33   but you can still do is you don't need [TS]

01:37:34   to unlock it to do that while you're [TS]

01:37:35   looking your notifications or whatever [TS]

01:37:36   or really far down where you pull it out [TS]

01:37:39   of your pocket like but your hands are [TS]

01:37:41   still down by like your thighs and you [TS]

01:37:42   just turn the phone up and look at [TS]

01:37:44   whenever and it can't get your face from [TS]

01:37:45   that angle or it's being blocked by your [TS]

01:37:46   leg [TS]

01:37:47   these are habits that will have to [TS]

01:37:48   change for people to to use face ID [TS]

01:37:50   because it's got to see your face right [TS]

01:37:53   and maybe the second gen will be better [TS]

01:37:55   about seeing your face and more [TS]

01:37:57   distances and more angles but that is a [TS]

01:37:59   change in habits which we expected but [TS]

01:38:01   it's a change in habit that involves [TS]

01:38:03   more of your body than the change in a [TS]

01:38:05   house for touch of yeah I don't want to [TS]

01:38:06   minimize the changes retouching because [TS]

01:38:07   as I've been noticing them there's a lot [TS]

01:38:09   of them and I find my characterization [TS]

01:38:12   of how fast it is again just watching my [TS]

01:38:14   wife do it because I can't be doing it [TS]

01:38:16   myself well I did use the demos in the [TS]

01:38:17   store which isn't we're just neat you [TS]

01:38:19   can have a little thing that just you [TS]

01:38:20   know you if you learned that your face [TS]

01:38:21   then you just unlock this pointless [TS]

01:38:23   screen that just says we recognized you [TS]

01:38:25   I'm pretty surprised at how fast it is [TS]

01:38:29   like a little bit of what Casey said [TS]

01:38:32   being a computer nerd like you know what [TS]

01:38:35   it must take to do this and it is all [TS]

01:38:38   inspiring that they are able to award [TS]

01:38:41   innate hardware and software and do this [TS]

01:38:44   thing it's it's really fast like when I [TS]

01:38:47   see my wife use her phone [TS]

01:38:49   it really does look like with all the [TS]

01:38:51   defining stories say which is like it's [TS]

01:38:52   like that phone has no lock on it [TS]

01:38:54   because when I see her phone you her use [TS]

01:38:56   her phone and when everything works the [TS]

01:38:58   way it's supposed to I never see her [TS]

01:39:00   unlock her phone I see her pick up her [TS]

01:39:02   phone swipe and start using it that's [TS]

01:39:04   what I see her do I never I never see I [TS]

01:39:06   don't even notice the little lock [TS]

01:39:07   animation thing you it just seems like [TS]

01:39:09   she picks up her phone in August you [TS]

01:39:10   don't have a lock on that phone right [TS]

01:39:11   that's how it's supposed to work but in [TS]

01:39:14   all those other scenarios where your [TS]

01:39:15   face can't be over your phone it's not [TS]

01:39:17   like it works too slow or recognition [TS]

01:39:19   fails it's like okay sorry can't I don't [TS]

01:39:23   see a face anywhere around here so and [TS]

01:39:26   then your fallback unfortunately is not [TS]

01:39:27   touch ID which I said that unfortunately [TS]

01:39:29   got me thinking about this too a phone [TS]

01:39:30   with both touch ID and face Eddie would [TS]

01:39:32   be bad for reasons that don't really [TS]

01:39:34   have time to get into right now but when [TS]

01:39:36   it's in all the positions that we've [TS]

01:39:38   trained ourselves to be able to you know [TS]

01:39:39   unlock and use with touch ID you've [TS]

01:39:42   either got a loom over your phone a [TS]

01:39:43   little bit more or change your habits to [TS]

01:39:45   bring your phone a little bit more [TS]

01:39:46   closer or don't leave it flat on the [TS]

01:39:47   table or whatever and I think this [TS]

01:39:50   trade-off will be worth it but for now [TS]

01:39:53   it seems I don't know I don't know [TS]

01:39:57   I wish I could have had my wife come on [TS]

01:39:59   the show and see what she really thinks [TS]

01:40:01   but she's only use it for a short period [TS]

01:40:02   of time but her only really strict [TS]

01:40:05   complaints and these are things that [TS]

01:40:06   give you fix and software is it doesn't [TS]

01:40:07   work when she's laying down in bed [TS]

01:40:08   because I think it just doesn't work [TS]

01:40:10   sideways is that been your experience [TS]

01:40:11   yeah yeah it it doesn't work in port in [TS]

01:40:16   landscape but when I am laying down and [TS]

01:40:20   the phone is figuratively stand down it [TS]

01:40:23   doesn't work in that drives me bananas [TS]

01:40:24   cuz I use my phone like that a lot [TS]

01:40:27   yeah not and she's doing it laying on [TS]

01:40:28   her side to be clear so that in bed and [TS]

01:40:31   pulls the phone off for a nightstand and [TS]

01:40:33   there's no reason it can't work like [TS]

01:40:34   that it should work fine like distances [TS]

01:40:36   are all fine good view of the face blah [TS]

01:40:37   blah blah unless your face is squished [TS]

01:40:39   into the pillow make me I guess and [TS]

01:40:41   doesn't have a good angle a side of it [TS]

01:40:42   feels like it should work like that so [TS]

01:40:44   that's one annoyance and she did have [TS]

01:40:47   some complaints about using you in the [TS]

01:40:49   dark but I I think that's mostly about [TS]

01:40:52   angle and distance because the phone [TS]

01:40:54   doesn't care about the dark because face [TS]

01:40:56   IDs done entirely and IR and IR doesn't [TS]

01:40:58   care about the dark that's my is that [TS]

01:41:01   right am I getting that right yeah yeah [TS]

01:41:03   and although IR I'd also like to build [TS]

01:41:06   on that and say so when I'm in bed I I [TS]

01:41:09   don't have my contact lenses in because [TS]

01:41:11   I wear hard contacts because my eyes are [TS]

01:41:13   really weird [TS]

01:41:14   and what I'll notice is in order to see [TS]

01:41:18   well I'll have the phone extremely close [TS]

01:41:22   to my face like uncomfortably for any [TS]

01:41:24   normal person close to my face and and [TS]

01:41:27   it's way too close for face ID and [TS]

01:41:29   that's kind of annoying to like not [TS]

01:41:31   annoying enough that that it it didn't [TS]

01:41:34   occur to me until you said something [TS]

01:41:35   about it but that's also a little [TS]

01:41:38   frustrating but I feel like I'm pooping [TS]

01:41:40   all over face ID [TS]

01:41:41   it is a mainly truly even as a consumer [TS]

01:41:44   it is amazing what's happening and then [TS]

01:41:46   once you layer on top of that like John [TS]

01:41:48   and I were both saying you know how much [TS]

01:41:51   computational how many computational [TS]

01:41:53   things just how much effort must this [TS]

01:41:56   take to work how can it possibly be [TS]

01:41:59   working this quickly and battery power [TS]

01:42:01   like you know it's like spraying your [TS]

01:42:03   face with this ion the IR flood [TS]

01:42:05   illuminator and the dot thing and then [TS]

01:42:07   you're using that the [TS]

01:42:08   the IR camera to pick up the dots and [TS]

01:42:10   then you're processing them it's like [TS]

01:42:11   it's like the being paralyzed by that [TS]

01:42:13   first voice-activated phone tree you're [TS]

01:42:15   like what but how how can this even work [TS]

01:42:18   and but I said when it works when I [TS]

01:42:21   watch my wife use her phone and it works [TS]

01:42:22   it's like her phone does not have a lock [TS]

01:42:24   on it [TS]

01:42:25   and from her maybe I'm consciously [TS]

01:42:28   making sure that it's got a view of my [TS]

01:42:29   face I'm hoping that will become like [TS]

01:42:31   Marco said more or less second nature [TS]

01:42:32   and we will all adjusted our body [TS]

01:42:34   posture to always make sure the camera [TS]

01:42:36   can see us and it's pretty forgiving [TS]

01:42:38   like if you get the impression of like [TS]

01:42:39   oh I have to be in just the right [TS]

01:42:40   position you don't like you just happen [TS]

01:42:42   to be remotely in the ballpark and it [TS]

01:42:44   gets the job done that's what's so [TS]

01:42:45   amazing about it you feel like it [TS]

01:42:47   couldn't possibly even read my face [TS]

01:42:49   because I wasn't even I wasn't even [TS]

01:42:50   paying attention to like exactly what [TS]

01:42:52   viewer gets of my face like I'm just [TS]

01:42:54   kind of used in my phone normally like [TS]

01:42:56   if you're if you're in the ballpark of [TS]

01:42:58   holding your phone and looking at it in [TS]

01:43:00   any way this is with attention on I [TS]

01:43:02   haven't tried to turn attention off it [TS]

01:43:04   is pretty magical and in fact I think [TS]

01:43:07   the I have she's told me face ID has [TS]

01:43:10   failed for her several times mostly what [TS]

01:43:13   I've seen happen is I've seen her miss [TS]

01:43:15   the home swipe many more times than I've [TS]

01:43:17   seen her fail face ID I don't know if [TS]

01:43:19   that means is one is more likely than [TS]

01:43:20   the other or maybe you just go home more [TS]

01:43:23   often like you unlock it once but you go [TS]

01:43:24   home seven times during that session or [TS]

01:43:26   whatever but I will I don't think you [TS]

01:43:28   just survey her this is bad because I [TS]

01:43:29   mean this is all secondhand account [TS]

01:43:31   because again I have never trained this [TS]

01:43:33   thing on my face and she'll probably [TS]

01:43:34   never let me do that so I'll just have [TS]

01:43:35   to live vicariously but you two will be [TS]

01:43:37   the real guinea pigs to see two weeks [TS]

01:43:40   from now have you completely adjusted [TS]

01:43:42   your entire body posture around face ID [TS]

01:43:45   or and here's the real thing what [TS]

01:43:47   happens when face ID doesn't work like [TS]

01:43:49   you're laying down in bed or Casey's got [TS]

01:43:51   his phone really close to his face I do [TS]

01:43:52   that too because my vision is bad not as [TS]

01:43:54   bad as Casey's but it's still pretty bad [TS]

01:43:56   the fallback is like okay I couldn't get [TS]

01:43:59   faced I need to work and it's not just [TS]

01:44:00   because like it was at the wrong angle [TS]

01:44:02   like I'm not gonna sit up on my bed to [TS]

01:44:03   get face lady to look the fallback is [TS]

01:44:05   you have to type in your passcode right [TS]

01:44:07   so the real test is preface ID I typed [TS]

01:44:10   through my passcode this number of times [TS]

01:44:12   for a day post space ID two weeks later [TS]

01:44:14   a month later how many times per day do [TS]

01:44:16   I type in my passcode I'm gonna say that [TS]

01:44:18   pre you know like I'm [TS]

01:44:21   still preface ad with my touch ID iPhone [TS]

01:44:24   7 the only time I type in my passcode is [TS]

01:44:27   when it insists that I do so because [TS]

01:44:28   like it's either than 48 hours since I [TS]

01:44:30   unlocked it or it's like an OS update or [TS]

01:44:32   something I don't think there is any [TS]

01:44:34   time even with wet hands with wet hands [TS]

01:44:36   I will do the thing where you remove [TS]

01:44:37   your thumb put it down remove your thumb [TS]

01:44:38   and put it down try it out I will I will [TS]

01:44:40   do a surprising number of attempts of [TS]

01:44:42   like wiping my finger or whatever that [TS]

01:44:44   would do anything to avoid typing it [TS]

01:44:45   very long passcode right and so I [TS]

01:44:49   basically never type in my passcode [TS]

01:44:50   but when face ID fails if it fails her [TS]

01:44:54   reason that you know like is not there's [TS]

01:44:56   no help like you don't want to sit up in [TS]

01:44:58   bed the next thing you do is probably a [TS]

01:45:00   resign yourselves type in your passcode [TS]

01:45:02   which means no more giant alphanumeric [TS]

01:45:04   pass codes because you'll drive yourself [TS]

01:45:05   insane because who wants to like when [TS]

01:45:07   you're laying down sideways in bed and [TS]

01:45:08   you're all groggy you do not want to [TS]

01:45:10   type out a 17 digit alphanumeric [TS]

01:45:12   punctuation capital and lowercase [TS]

01:45:13   passcode that super security you feel [TS]

01:45:15   awesome nobody wants to do that [TS]

01:45:18   downgrade to a shorter numeric passcode [TS]

01:45:23   or you will really start to hate face ID [TS]

01:45:25   because there is no other option it's [TS]

01:45:27   not like well face ID failed I guess you [TS]

01:45:29   can use touch of it you can't like it's [TS]

01:45:31   face ID or it's typing oh I actually [TS]

01:45:33   have a tangential question about this so [TS]

01:45:37   what is the best protocol for when [TS]

01:45:43   somebody has grabbed my phone and looked [TS]

01:45:46   at it which is not unreasonable maybe I [TS]

01:45:48   asked them to look at it or something [TS]

01:45:49   like that but face ID has recognized [TS]

01:45:53   them and the phone is still on and then [TS]

01:45:57   they hand the phone to me and then I [TS]

01:46:00   enter my password is it that the the [TS]

01:46:03   other person's face is different enough [TS]

01:46:05   that it's not gonna train on their face [TS]

01:46:09   do you know what I mean because my [TS]

01:46:10   understanding is I had an item in their [TS]

01:46:12   notes about that because there was that [TS]

01:46:14   uh the video or whatever where two [TS]

01:46:16   siblings who they're not twins but two [TS]

01:46:18   siblings who look very alike said hey [TS]

01:46:20   look at this my brother whoever was can [TS]

01:46:22   unlock my phone with his face but we're [TS]

01:46:24   not the same person right and what was [TS]

01:46:28   happening in that scenario is it's one [TS]

01:46:31   brother's phone and he's got trained on [TS]

01:46:34   his face [TS]

01:46:35   it works fine and the other brother [TS]

01:46:37   tries to unlock it and it doesn't work [TS]

01:46:40   because he's got a different face but [TS]

01:46:41   then he types in his brother's passcode [TS]

01:46:43   which he knows and enters the phone and [TS]

01:46:45   that happens a few time and so the [TS]

01:46:47   theory goes what he's doing is [TS]

01:46:49   essentially trained like Casey was [TS]

01:46:50   saying he is training the phone like Oh [TS]

01:46:52   silly phone you said you couldn't [TS]

01:46:55   recognize this face but because I [TS]

01:46:57   immediately enter the passcode what I'm [TS]

01:46:59   telling you phone is no no it's me it's [TS]

01:47:01   me the owner of the phone so that face [TS]

01:47:03   that you just tried to recognize that [TS]

01:47:04   you said was not the right face it [TS]

01:47:06   obviously was the right face because I [TS]

01:47:07   just unlocked the phone I'm assuming [TS]

01:47:10   just like Casey said that this training [TS]

01:47:13   only happens if the face is close to the [TS]

01:47:16   face that it knows but not quite so that [TS]

01:47:18   it if an entirely different person whose [TS]

01:47:20   face is nothing like yours tries to use [TS]

01:47:23   face ID fails but then enters your code [TS]

01:47:25   which I've done a little eyeful at many [TS]

01:47:26   times because it always fails because my [TS]

01:47:28   face has never succeeded in unlocking [TS]

01:47:29   your phone but I have unlocked your [TS]

01:47:31   phone many many times over the course of [TS]

01:47:33   setting it up and playing with it and [TS]

01:47:34   you know practicing my home gestures and [TS]

01:47:36   all the other things that I do with [TS]

01:47:37   their phone right I am pretty sure that [TS]

01:47:40   I am not messing up her training because [TS]

01:47:42   my face is too different from her things [TS]

01:47:44   and that the phone is not going to [TS]

01:47:45   accept the fact that I unlocked after [TS]

01:47:48   face ID failed as additional training [TS]

01:47:49   data I don't know that for a fact but [TS]

01:47:52   that seems like the logical thing to do [TS]

01:47:54   an apple is a smart company so I think [TS]

01:47:56   both things are smart thing is both to [TS]

01:47:58   ignore my face cuz is different and also [TS]

01:48:00   it's smart to train on that brothers [TS]

01:48:02   face which so if you have a sibling who [TS]

01:48:05   looks a lot like you do not let them [TS]

01:48:07   repeatedly pick up your phone and fail [TS]

01:48:09   face ID and then to the coat because it [TS]

01:48:10   may eventually learn that this alternate [TS]

01:48:12   face that's kind of like yours is also [TS]

01:48:14   yours [TS]

01:48:15   and it just looks different from time to [TS]

01:48:16   time so don't do that so L bruise from [TS]

01:48:19   the chat has pulled this quote which i [TS]

01:48:21   think is from the face ID security guide [TS]

01:48:23   which we'll put in the show notes [TS]

01:48:24   if face ID fails to recognize you but [TS]

01:48:27   the match quality is higher than a [TS]

01:48:28   certain threshold and you immediately [TS]

01:48:30   follow the failure by entering your [TS]

01:48:31   passcode face ID makes and takes another [TS]

01:48:33   capture so interesting so that's only [TS]

01:48:36   once the pass codes been entered so at [TS]

01:48:38   this point it would be of me anyway yeah [TS]

01:48:40   yeah you have to successfully enter the [TS]

01:48:41   pass code like if someone knows your [TS]

01:48:43   passcode like the sibling knew the [TS]

01:48:44   passcode yeah and so this is saying it [TS]

01:48:46   has to pass a threshold so that's [TS]

01:48:48   I am not training my own to recognize me [TS]

01:48:50   right but you know I'm on a different [TS]

01:48:52   point I had assumed that it took the so [TS]

01:48:56   so the our order of operations is [TS]

01:48:58   picture it takes a picture of Erin [TS]

01:49:00   because she's the one that's trying to [TS]

01:49:02   open the phone says you're not Casey the [TS]

01:49:05   phone's handed to me and I enter the [TS]

01:49:07   code what what I'm reading here is that [TS]

01:49:09   it actually takes a second picture I had [TS]

01:49:12   assumed it was still working off that [TS]

01:49:14   original picture of Aaron but this says [TS]

01:49:16   a face ID fails to recognize you but the [TS]

01:49:18   match equalities heart of them certain [TS]

01:49:19   threshold you immediately follow the [TS]

01:49:20   failure by entering a passcode face ID [TS]

01:49:22   takes another capture and augments it's [TS]

01:49:24   enrolled face ID data with a newly [TS]

01:49:25   calculated mathematical representation [TS]

01:49:27   yeah because you because it's facing [TS]

01:49:29   your face for the new capture but if she [TS]

01:49:32   knew your code and she entered your code [TS]

01:49:33   it's still not gonna pass the threshold [TS]

01:49:35   it's not gonna pass the threshold so the [TS]

01:49:37   match you know it's higher than a [TS]

01:49:39   certain throat hers is not within the [TS]

01:49:40   thresholds of learning of your face I'm [TS]

01:49:42   assuming because yeah different yeah I [TS]

01:49:44   hear you one one of the other things [TS]

01:49:46   that's been really great about face ID [TS]

01:49:48   is it has been surprisingly willing [TS]

01:49:52   almost uncomfortably willing to unlock [TS]

01:49:56   when my face is occluded or or otherwise [TS]

01:50:00   messed with and by that I mean I often [TS]

01:50:03   have a finger like on my chin or I maybe [TS]

01:50:06   have a finger in my mouth cuz I'm biting [TS]

01:50:07   my nails are doing something I shouldn't [TS]

01:50:09   be doing or well I went to a football [TS]

01:50:12   game the day after we got the phones and [TS]

01:50:14   I had like a hat on and I didn't have a [TS]

01:50:16   hat on I had a hat in a hood and then [TS]

01:50:18   just a hood and so now granted a lot of [TS]

01:50:20   this is over your face but as in above [TS]

01:50:22   my face but my point is and you got your [TS]

01:50:24   weekend beard do it this is a multi this [TS]

01:50:27   and this might be a multi-month beard at [TS]

01:50:29   this point but it's gonna go soon [TS]

01:50:31   when spring is whenever we're really [TS]

01:50:33   close to sprigs time of arrival I'm [TS]

01:50:35   going to shave it all off cuz sprig is [TS]

01:50:36   gonna beat me as I should be met which [TS]

01:50:38   is without hair on my face eyes aren't [TS]

01:50:41   gonna work for a while you know that is [TS]

01:50:42   that this is how we played this game [TS]

01:50:47   before you know how this guy is but [TS]

01:50:49   anyway the point is it did a really [TS]

01:50:52   really good job and continues to do a [TS]

01:50:55   very good job of being willing to unlock [TS]

01:50:58   when portions of my face are [TS]

01:51:02   are occluded and so like maybe I'm [TS]

01:51:04   resting my hand on my chin and my my [TS]

01:51:06   fingers are kind of rolled up and in [TS]

01:51:08   front of my mouth you know or something [TS]

01:51:09   like that it's it's done a very very [TS]

01:51:11   good job surprisingly good job of [TS]

01:51:13   rolling with that to the point that it [TS]

01:51:15   almost feels like and I bet this isn't [TS]

01:51:17   true but it almost feels like the maybe [TS]

01:51:20   eyes or or cheekbones are the things [TS]

01:51:23   that matter most to face ID because it's [TS]

01:51:27   rare that I'll have my hand in front of [TS]

01:51:29   my eyes are like up on my cheekbones or [TS]

01:51:31   anything like that but it is not unusual [TS]

01:51:33   for me to have my fam I hands in or [TS]

01:51:36   around my mouth and so I don't know if [TS]

01:51:38   that's true but it just feels like eyes [TS]

01:51:40   and cheekbones matter a lot more than [TS]

01:51:44   mouth the the mouth area if you will so [TS]

01:51:48   on the topic of Aaron saying that things [TS]

01:51:50   just seem slower what I thought she [TS]

01:51:52   might have been getting at before you [TS]

01:51:53   went off to describe the home [TS]

01:51:54   multitasking thing which I totally agree [TS]

01:51:56   with is the animations and I realize I [TS]

01:52:00   probably only say that because I run [TS]

01:52:03   reduce motion and have for really a long [TS]

01:52:05   time so my iPhone 7 doesn't do almost [TS]

01:52:08   any animations everything is these silly [TS]

01:52:10   crossfades right but here's the thing [TS]

01:52:13   about the iPhone 10 well first of all [TS]

01:52:15   using in its and it's like default out [TS]

01:52:18   of the box thing the animations do not [TS]

01:52:21   bother me as much as they did on the 7 [TS]

01:52:25   and I guess the 6 or whatever like and [TS]

01:52:27   why don't they bother me like they're [TS]

01:52:28   even more egregious even more like [TS]

01:52:30   swooping you like your things are flying [TS]

01:52:32   in from here and going out to there I [TS]

01:52:34   think they bothered me less because the [TS]

01:52:38   gesture I'm performing for example to go [TS]

01:52:40   back to the homescreen swiping up from [TS]

01:52:41   the bottom matches with the idea of [TS]

01:52:45   chucking the current app back into its [TS]

01:52:47   little Heidi home inside the icon you [TS]

01:52:49   don't I mean like how it flies into the [TS]

01:52:51   icon yeah right and so I'm doing [TS]

01:52:53   something that matches the gesture [TS]

01:52:55   versus I press the button and everything [TS]

01:52:58   went shrinky zoomy right they feel [TS]

01:53:00   disconnected again I've it's not my [TS]

01:53:04   phone I've just played with it a lot [TS]

01:53:05   like but it doesn't bother me as much [TS]

01:53:07   but I'm like ok well even though it [TS]

01:53:09   doesn't bother me if I got an iPhone 10 [TS]

01:53:11   I'm sure I've returned under his motion [TS]

01:53:12   so let me go into settings in turn I'm [TS]

01:53:14   reduced No [TS]

01:53:14   I doubt either one of you have tried [TS]

01:53:16   this but if you introduce motion on this [TS]

01:53:18   loan very strange things happen and [TS]

01:53:21   there's not really good solution to make [TS]

01:53:23   them not strange you turn on reduce [TS]

01:53:25   motion what happens is this you're in an [TS]

01:53:27   app you do the home gesture to get back [TS]

01:53:29   to home and it starts to make as you [TS]

01:53:34   swipe up it starts to make the app that [TS]

01:53:36   you're in kind of fly upwards and start [TS]

01:53:39   heading back into its little icon home [TS]

01:53:42   right [TS]

01:53:42   but then abruptly once that animation [TS]

01:53:47   has started it switches to a crossfade [TS]

01:53:50   and I thought oh let's do it why don't [TS]

01:53:52   they just do the crossfade the whole [TS]

01:53:53   time but because of the way the [TS]

01:53:57   multitasking gesture like you know you [TS]

01:53:58   can do it slow or whatever like I think [TS]

01:54:00   it has to start the animation because if [TS]

01:54:02   it didn't start the animation like if if [TS]

01:54:06   it was going back to home screen you [TS]

01:54:08   could say oh I'll just wait until you [TS]

01:54:10   cross the threshold of oh I see you're [TS]

01:54:12   under the home screen and I'll cross [TS]

01:54:13   fade with doing no animation before him [TS]

01:54:14   but if you're going for the multitasking [TS]

01:54:16   switcher one says oh they're not going [TS]

01:54:17   to the home screen this is slow enough [TS]

01:54:19   for me to bring up the multi Texas which [TS]

01:54:20   was then it's gonna be like oh crap I [TS]

01:54:22   didn't do it I haven't been doing any [TS]

01:54:23   animations this whole time and they're [TS]

01:54:25   activating the multi-thousand switcher [TS]

01:54:26   quick catch up and make it look like [TS]

01:54:28   they're animated up to the point where [TS]

01:54:29   their thumb is and that would be weird [TS]

01:54:30   too so if you turn and go turn it on on [TS]

01:54:33   iphone 10 turn reduce motion now and do [TS]

01:54:34   the home gesture and just look at what [TS]

01:54:36   it does it is a mess it is an animation [TS]

01:54:38   mess it's half one animation interrupted [TS]

01:54:42   by a crossfade and honestly I think if I [TS]

01:54:45   had an iPhone 10 I would not turn on [TS]

01:54:46   reduce motion because that just it [TS]

01:54:49   doesn't feel faster like a half an [TS]

01:54:51   animation but that feels worse than like [TS]

01:54:54   the full animation and I don't have a [TS]

01:54:58   good solution so I like Apple did [TS]

01:54:59   something dumb here I don't know what [TS]

01:55:01   they can do to fix this problem I think [TS]

01:55:04   we just all have to use the animations [TS]

01:55:06   and like it which I realized you to do [TS]

01:55:08   anyway but I haven't been so I don't [TS]

01:55:10   know I have an animation dilemma with [TS]

01:55:12   the iPhone 10 I think maybe you know in [TS]

01:55:15   the same way that before iOS 7 we [TS]

01:55:18   realized that we had kind of gone too [TS]

01:55:20   far with skeuomorphism I think we might [TS]

01:55:22   be at that point with animations where [TS]

01:55:25   like the the amount of [TS]

01:55:28   unnecessary and almost like overly [TS]

01:55:33   exuberant animations that we have for [TS]

01:55:36   common actions in iOS 11 I think is a [TS]

01:55:37   little excessive like one of the weird [TS]

01:55:40   things is like when you go to the home [TS]

01:55:41   screen how your wallpaper kind of like [TS]

01:55:42   slams up from beneath I guess like it's [TS]

01:55:46   a very it looks very weird and jarring [TS]

01:55:48   and I've never seen that one because it [TS]

01:55:51   may need a hundred percent black [TS]

01:55:52   background actually recently switched to [TS]

01:55:56   100% black background in part for that [TS]

01:55:58   and in part because it just looks so [TS]

01:55:59   awesome on the OLED screen I've always [TS]

01:56:03   had a black back right but didn't you [TS]

01:56:04   not weren't you not able to have a [TS]

01:56:06   background in the early days of iPhone [TS]

01:56:07   on us yeah it wasn't until I think iOS 4 [TS]

01:56:10   that you could have a background at all [TS]

01:56:11   and it was and before that it was [TS]

01:56:13   hundreds on black right yep yep so I [TS]

01:56:15   think that's why I never changed once [TS]

01:56:17   you could get a background I think I [TS]

01:56:18   tried some backgrounds couldn't find [TS]

01:56:19   them they I like them like well [TS]

01:56:20   everything's been under percent black [TS]

01:56:22   for us let me try that and and that's it [TS]

01:56:24   and now I've been using how to present [TS]

01:56:25   black and the great thing is in iOS 11 [TS]

01:56:27   you don't have to upload a black image [TS]

01:56:30   like I've had to do for every person [TS]

01:56:32   yeah finally they have a solid color [TS]

01:56:35   section and black is available to you [TS]

01:56:36   and yeah it does look great oh no way [TS]

01:56:38   but but no they didn't notice that the [TS]

01:56:40   slamming and so like it comes up from [TS]

01:56:41   below kind of yeah it's it's almost as [TS]

01:56:43   though you're falling onto your [TS]

01:56:44   wallpaper it's very it's a very jarring [TS]

01:56:46   animation and I really don't like it and [TS]

01:56:49   and yeah tips if comes out of it - it's [TS]

01:56:52   a very weird thing anyway so I hope that [TS]

01:56:55   we have reached the point with [TS]

01:56:58   animations now where we can start to [TS]

01:57:00   pull back it's almost it's almost part [TS]

01:57:01   of what I was saying last week about how [TS]

01:57:03   I wish Apple would have like a maybe a [TS]

01:57:05   more confident design in that like [TS]

01:57:08   confident in the way they don't they [TS]

01:57:10   don't need to show off that like that [TS]

01:57:12   they know they're good and they don't [TS]

01:57:14   need to show off how good they are to [TS]

01:57:15   the world they could just be good right [TS]

01:57:17   I feel like a lot of these animations [TS]

01:57:19   now have gotten to the point where they [TS]

01:57:20   are just showing off like this a [TS]

01:57:22   designer showing off and it's it's [TS]

01:57:24   getting annoying how do you do the most [TS]

01:57:26   attacking gesture if without animations [TS]

01:57:28   that's what I'm stuck on like if if you [TS]

01:57:30   do not change the way you get into the [TS]

01:57:33   multitasking switcher how do you do that [TS]

01:57:37   with no animations because like you can [TS]

01:57:40   do the home screen [TS]

01:57:41   quick swipe up from the bottom and we [TS]

01:57:43   cross straight to the home screen or we [TS]

01:57:44   just bring the home screen up right but [TS]

01:57:46   a slow swipe up from the bottom bring [TS]

01:57:48   you into multitasking like I don't know [TS]

01:57:51   maybe though it would feel kind of [TS]

01:57:52   disconnected like what I get what you're [TS]

01:57:54   saying about the animations going too [TS]

01:57:55   far and again if someone who's [TS]

01:57:56   run-throughs motion all the time I am [TS]

01:57:58   NOT a fan of animation but I was [TS]

01:58:00   surprised by how much I liked the [TS]

01:58:02   animations in the 10 because they were [TS]

01:58:04   connected to things my fingers were [TS]

01:58:06   doing and like Twitter if ik and lots of [TS]

01:58:07   other applications where they actually [TS]

01:58:09   make the animation track your finger I [TS]

01:58:11   don't know if the iOS 11 ones are doing [TS]

01:58:13   that on the iPhone 10 but they feel like [TS]

01:58:15   they're tracking your finger and that [TS]

01:58:17   feels good that it doesn't feel like [TS]

01:58:19   you're a triggering animation it feels [TS]

01:58:21   like you are moving things on the screen [TS]

01:58:23   which is a big kind of like sideswipe [TS]

01:58:25   going from screens and like home screens [TS]

01:58:26   on springboard right the reason that [TS]

01:58:28   feels so good is you you don't feel like [TS]

01:58:30   you are triggering the slide in [TS]

01:58:31   animation you feel like you're moving [TS]

01:58:34   the screen you feel like you're moving [TS]

01:58:36   the icons with your finger and it's such [TS]

01:58:38   a big difference and so I'm actually a [TS]

01:58:40   pretty big fan of the animations maybe I [TS]

01:58:43   wouldn't be if I didn't have a black [TS]

01:58:44   backer and I had seen that slamming and [TS]

01:58:45   I think I would still prefer reduce [TS]

01:58:47   motion if implemented like it is on the [TS]

01:58:50   7 and earlier phones where it's just you [TS]

01:58:52   know like you really are treating [TS]

01:58:54   animations and they're all crossfades [TS]

01:58:55   but I think there's something to be said [TS]

01:58:58   for a UI that is so fundamentally based [TS]

01:59:02   on swipey crap having that's my crap [TS]

01:59:06   make you feel like you're moving things [TS]

01:59:09   on the screen rather than triggering an [TS]

01:59:11   animation I've still prefer no [TS]

01:59:13   animations at all but I honestly I'd [TS]

01:59:14   with this many swipes I don't know how I [TS]

01:59:15   don't know how you pull it off and don't [TS]

01:59:17   make you feel like disconnected from you [TS]

01:59:20   know like that you are just drawing [TS]

01:59:22   magic spells and hieroglyphics on the [TS]

01:59:24   screen and your magic incantations [TS]

01:59:26   caused things to change but there's no [TS]

01:59:27   real connection between them like it's [TS]

01:59:29   magic [TS]

01:59:29   yeah and I don't think it has to be that [TS]

01:59:31   I don't think it has to be dramatically [TS]

01:59:32   like no animations ever again like I [TS]

01:59:35   just think the animations need to be [TS]

01:59:36   toned down you know we've gone too far [TS]

01:59:38   they need to be brought back a little [TS]

01:59:41   bit you know that and and not totally [TS]

01:59:43   removed like so many of these things [TS]

01:59:44   like whole new tasks and everything yeah [TS]

01:59:46   they should be animated like that and [TS]

01:59:48   most of the things that are animated now [TS]

01:59:50   should still be animated it's just a [TS]

01:59:52   question of what that animation is and [TS]

01:59:54   how many [TS]

01:59:55   things are happening when it happens and [TS]

01:59:57   how long does it take these things could [TS]

01:59:59   all use some [TS]

01:59:59   all use some [TS]

02:00:00   tweaking I think you know so and and [TS]

02:00:01   some restraint yeah the homescreen is [TS]

02:00:03   probably the best example because what [TS]

02:00:04   you want to happen is I want to go to [TS]

02:00:06   the home screen but you don't need to [TS]

02:00:07   see the home screen assemble itself like [TS]

02:00:10   you know like like a deconstructed [TS]

02:00:12   sandwich a fruit from the restroom [TS]