The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► fun fact listeners Syracuse is a much [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► funnier person than you would ever [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► expect like you hear bits of that on the [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► show but born to laughing at me way than [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► a laughing no that's not true [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► that's not try really like but no really [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► it he is way funnier in person when when [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► not performing as you have as we are all [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► doing that you trying to say I'm not [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► funny on the podcast he's way funnier [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► than he is in his podcast it's not what [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► I was going for but if you wanna I'm too [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► tired to argue with you so yes let's [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► start as we have to do with follow up TV [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► OS 11.2 beta is out tell me about the [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► output format switching mr. siracusa if [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► you please not only is it out but I [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► actually got the the update I don't know [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► what caused me to get it but I check for [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► updates in there it was and I was very [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► excited so I immediately went into that [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► settings screen that lets you say match [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► source format framerate or whatever and [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► then the HDR one does not apply to me so [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► I couldn't just try that one and then I [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► played a movie and my television [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► switched to what it displays as 24 Hertz [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► but isn't really true because I'm pretty [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► sure it's in some multiple that refresh [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► rate but anyway it works it really [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► really works ray of course with the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► movie I tried it with was a movie I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► purchased on iTunes so I was using [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► Apple's built-in movie app which I [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► assumed would have been updated to news [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► the new api's and I guess it has been I [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► haven't had time to try it with Plex and [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► infused and all the other things because [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► I just assumed they would not have had [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► time to update but I'm just gonna wait [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► until 11.2 is out and try them as well [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► so I'm happy about this and I'm one step [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► closer to the probably terrible mistake [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► of losslessly ripping all of my blu-rays [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► so that I can watch them on demand [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► without touching a blu-ray disc at full [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► quality but we'll see how that goes and [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► one additional note from this Joe [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► rosensteil has confirmed confirmed a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► while ago and now is in the process of [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► complaining and finally radars with [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► Apple about the fact that the previous [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► generation Apple TV then not 4k Apple TV [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► doesn't get these features [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► whomp-whomp for me and also it doesn't [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► apparently get a manual 24 frames per [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► second option and like I said a couple [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► shows ago I don't get a manual 24 frames [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► per second naturally either in earlier [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► versions of TV os even though my [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► television supports it but anyway all [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► these features are just for the fancy [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► new Apple TV 4k I don't think that's [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► unreasonable well it's the Apple way to [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► do things like why I keep supporting the [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► old thing right although as Todd busy [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► RIA unfortunately found out they still [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► sell the old one because he went to he [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► was trying to order an Apple TV 4k and [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► they didn't have any in stock so he went [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► to the store and bought one he got a [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► different size he would want to get the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► big one I think what he got the small [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► one and brought it home only to find [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► that he just purchased the previous [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► generation Apple TV which looks very [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► much the same if you're not very careful [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► to look at the box and make sure it says [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► Apple TV 4k on it so that's a shame and [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► they course they continue to sell the [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► other one because it hits a price point [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► but they're not gonna support it with [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► the latest version they've CEOs in the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► same way like maybe the technical reason [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► I can't really think of one but it's [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► conceivable there's some unknown [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► technical reason why they can't do the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► switching but that's that's crappy they [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► also in the most Tim Cook move ever [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► didn't even lower the price of the now [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► two year old one when they brought out [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► the new you know the currency they have [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► it to hit a price point but it's a very [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► not competitive price point great new [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► minds what plus you've got inflation [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► right so it was a long time ago so [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► money's worth less now all right and [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► then tell me about AP FS snapshots as [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► used by Time Machine and software update [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► if you please there were a couple of [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► articles about this but eventually they [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► could all be traced back to a handy tech [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► note thing on Apple's own site to [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► explain how cool a PFS snapshots are [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► being used by Apple's software at the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► very least so Time Machine is using them [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► I'm assuming I don't know if this [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► article says it but I'm assuming the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► obvious thing to do is take a snapshot [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► and then do a Time Machine backup from [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► that snapshot so you don't get the weird [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► thing they used to get where a Time [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► Machine backups takes a half an hour to [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► run and files that are copied to the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► beginning of the backup are 30 min [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► newer than files that are copied at the [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► end and you sort of get this weird image [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► of the disc that is like it's like a [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► rolling shutter on a phone right it's [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► like a rolling back up like I'll start [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► backing up and while I'm backing up [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► you're continuing to use your computer [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► but if I already backed up the file you [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► modify it I'll get it in the next backup [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► it's weird snapshots you'd have to do [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► that you can say shrink point-in-time [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► snapshot that's what I'm gonna back up [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► from that's exactly what this disk looks [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► like at a particular point in time and [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► it will back up from that but [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► additionally time machine takes [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► snapshots every 24 hours while your [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► computer is turned on and it takes a [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► snapshot every week as well and the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► remember of snapshots are just like a [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► point in time on your disk it's not it's [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► not a backup to your time machine in [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► volume it's just snapshots of your [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► regular disk as it was and those are [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► convenient for like let me reach you can [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► you know run time machine even if you've [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► never had your time machine disk like [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► your external time machine disk attached [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► to your computer for a long time you can [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► still use time machine to recover things [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► from the local disk that were part of [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► those snapshots and I heard some report [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► someone saying I deleted a bunch of [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► stuff on my free disk space didn't go [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► down it really depends on how they were [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► checking their free disk space because [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► if you were checking it at the lowest [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► level that would be true because if you [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► make a snapshot and that snapshot [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► includes like a 4 gig file then you [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► delete that 4 gig file you don't get [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► that space back because that snapshot is [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► still holding on to those 4 gigs so that [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► you could if you wanted to recover that [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► file from the snapshot or whatever with [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► time machine so that's a case where if [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► you were getting your disc free disk [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► space the lowest level you would see [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that I deleted this file why don't I get [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► the free space back but this tech note [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► has a thing at the end it says basically [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► you know are you worried about these [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► snapshots eating a disc case don't worry [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► because if we the operating system need [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► you know storage space gets low which is [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► what the tech note says snapshots are [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► automatically deleted starting with the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► oldest and I'm quoting right girthy from [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► the document now that's why I find her [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► and get info windows don't include local [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► snapshots in their calculations of the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► storage space available on disk so yet [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► another complication as foretold in many [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► past episodes of how a BFS was going to [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► make it much more complicated to even [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► display things like free space having to [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► do a bunch of math and subtract out the [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► space taken by snapshots and all the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► other stuff so they just lie to you and [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► say oh yeah no we freed up at search but [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► they didn't they didn't [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► hurry it up unless you need more disk [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► space unless you really really need it [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► it won't delete the snapshots until [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► eating shop such as easy so I like ice [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► to delete a bunch of files it just says [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► okay forget about that snapshot all [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► those discs all those blocks that were [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► part of that snapshot that are not part [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► of any other snapshot are now free so [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► it's the magic of AP FS and I final note [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► on this this tech note which I think [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► everyone should read is it has it is [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► forced to explain the horrendous UI of [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► Time Machine [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► specifically the weird timeline [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► scrolling thing on the right with like [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that like is it a little zooming [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► timeline some poor tech writer had to [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► had to write out if you have one of [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► these versions the operating systems a [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► bright red tech more tick mark means [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► this a dimmed red tick mark means that [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► if you have a different version the [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► operating system a great tick mark means [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► this a bright pink tick mark means this [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► and a dim it pink tick mark means this [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► word these are these colors are very [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► similar to that having I would never [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► have guessed all this stuff how you use [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► the interface many many times and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► there's not a lot of text it's like time [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► machine good technology even though they [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► got rid of the swirling vortex which I [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► would argue is the best part of this [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► interface they got rid of that right [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► though it's not like ably frivolous but [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► the rest of the UI is not it's not great [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► I don't know what these colors mean I've [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► read this tech note I'm never gonna [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► remember this I don't know what dimmed [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► pink means what what is bright pink and [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► dimmed pink it's if you only have dimmed [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► pink how can you help them think and [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► it's not bright pink unless you have a [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► bright pink to compare it to this is a [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► bad interface Apple please work on this [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► oh wow how do you really feel John back [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► this time this is a time machine who's [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► just one of the many things that like as [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► we have gotten you know the transition [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► of the whole world and all that balls [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► focused to iOS it's one of the many [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► things on Mac OS I look at and it's I'm [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► just kind of sad that like if Mac OS was [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► was still getting seemingly meaningful [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► effort put into it this could be so much [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► more by now like this this could be so [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► much better but it just seems like most [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► of Mac OS is not only in maintenance [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► mode but seems to have the B team [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► working on it and it's just it makes me [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► sad and it's a little bit buggy too like [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► I spent time in the interface trying to [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► find things and sometimes it does weird [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► stuff and you just just shake [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► didn't try it for a second time and it [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► usually works a second time who knows [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► why it didn't work the first like [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► there's a lot of cool tech under there [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► and you could build lots of interesting [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► new eyes on top of it and the initial UI [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► was fun and cool and interesting and had [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► good ideas behind it simplified it but [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► the the way it's evolved our weather [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► hasn't evolved is kind of depressing [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► well one more minor part in this they do [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► take snapshots before software updates [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► as well I don't know if they do anything [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► with that like I don't know if is it if [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► there's any actual feature that says you [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► don't like the software update you did [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► don't worry we took a whole snapshot of [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► your disk and you can roll back to it [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► right now I don't think there's any UI [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► to that but if third-party tools have [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► enough access to snapshots they could [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► offer that option just by listing all [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► your snapshots um and same thing with [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► Time Machine there was a backup program [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► I don't know if it's still in [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► development called backup loop that was [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► like hey Time Machine is cool why don't [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► we make a cool powerful UI on top of it [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► for people who want to nerd out a little [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► bit more than is possible with the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► default UI and that's the fun type of [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► stuff that's the third party opportunity [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► but also at this point the bill Tilghman [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► should be better - I don't I don't mind [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► time machine but I think it's because [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► I'm almost never in time machine so it [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► doesn't have I don't have to deal with [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the crummy UI very often but did you [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► know about the dim dread no and the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► bright pink no no no I didn't but now I [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know and knowing is half don't know [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► that's the whole thing you didn't read [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► this document and even if you read it it [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► will just bounce off your brain there's [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► no way anybody remember this there [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► enough this is not a sponsor but we [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► wanted to take a moment out of our day [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► to call your attention to the app camp [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► fundraiser app camp for girls is a [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► organization that's near and dear to all [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► three of our hearts we tend to sponsor [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► their get-togethers WDC when we can and [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► they are trying to expand to three new [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► cities and they need a whole pile of [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► money to do that because doing this sort [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► of thing is not cheap so we will put a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► link in the show notes to a fundraiser [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► on IndieGoGo that I have not yet had the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► opportunity to back because I've been [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► traveling for work but I will do so as [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► soon as I am human again so anyway it [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► they are only about a little under [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► halfway there as we record today and it [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► would be pretty awesome if we made them [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the way there by the time we record next [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► hint hint hint hint so app camp is a [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► great organization it does really great [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► work in trying to encourage young girls [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► to young young women to explore [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► technology and and you know try to maybe [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► see if they have a future in creating [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► the kind of apps that mark when I create [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► and they they're smart enough not to ask [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► these young girls to use pearl because [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► then they would never want to program [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► ever again so if you want to give money [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► to people who don't program in pearl [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► please feel free to check out this link [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► in the show notes and send them any of [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► your money even a dollar would help and [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► it would mean a lot to all three of us [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know they don't probably don't be [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► using pearl it's probably some framework [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► let's see right I always absent pearl [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► right one for every other language I'm [TS]

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00:13:06 ◼   ► as gift maybe it's a grandparent or [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► something like that that you know giving [TS]

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00:14:14 ◼   ► about ask ATP Nathan Wallace writes in [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► now that you have iPhones 10 in hand is [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► it iPhones 10 I know that's the way they [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► usually do a cut no it's iPhone 10s [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► exactly I just know that the Apple [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► guidance is always so bananas anyway now [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► that you have iPhones 10 in hand are you [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► using or wanting to use a case with it [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► which cases are you using things I'll [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► start off if you recall my iPhone 7 was [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the first phone in a long time that I [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► had naked and I paid the price because I [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► dropped it on the pavement and shattered [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► my first screen luckily I had Apple care [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► and so that was taken care of and then I [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► quickly scratched the screen within [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► about two weeks of getting it replaced [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► which is delightful anyway for the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► iPhone 10 it's apparently I don't recall [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► if we talked about this last episode of [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► a pair it's like $200 or something like [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► that to do a front screen replacement [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► and something like $500 to do a back [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► glass replacement yes I mean we didn't [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► talk about it you're very tired yeah but [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► anyway so the point is that it's [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► extremely expensive to replace anything [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► on this phone I personally have not [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► ordered Apple care for my phone I've [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► been debating it and I don't think I [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► will which we can play this clip when I [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► inevitably break this phone in a few [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► months but I have put the official Apple [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► leather case on it I do quite like the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► Appl other cases however the thing that [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► bothers me about the most cases [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► including the Apple leather case is that [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► it makes doing gestures from the edge of [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► the screen considerably more difficult [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► and that bums me out but otherwise it's [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► a nice case it's expensive it's like 50 [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► bucks but it's a nice case Marco what do [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► you got going on I am also caseless [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that's almost case ulis I bet you [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► haven't thought of that many times sorry [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► yeah I'm also going caseless I I too was [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► cased only with the 6 and 6s not before [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► or after the 7 I got in jet-black as it [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► was grippy and I love that the 10 is you [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► know with the glass back and the smooth [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► metal sides the I would say overall so [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► far it does not seem as grippy as the [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► iPhone 7 but it's not as slippery as the [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► 6 and 6s so I'm a little well slow down [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► they'll slow down though it is way [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► grippier than my beautiful but bar of [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► soap matte black or whatever they call [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah iPhone 7 right yeah just [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► whatever it was called but the jet black [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► is obviously a whole different animal [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► I'm not trying to argue that but if you [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► happen to be coming from a matte black [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► iPhone or you know whatever the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► equivalent was that I would say that the [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► iPhone 10 is considerably more grippy [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► than that but it sounds like you're [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► saying mark oh it is less grippy than [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► the jet black that's what it feels like [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► so far you know it could just because [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► like it's new and doesn't have all my [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► hand oil on it firm from a year worth of [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► handle just really gross but that's how [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► it works yeah it could be that you know [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► the end but you know compared to the jet [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► black it is not as grippy and it could [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► also be that like while the glass is [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► kind of grippy the sides are now just [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► regular metal again and so they're not [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► so it could be that I don't know I have [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► considered looking into some kind of [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► like film or maybe like a little stick [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► on like leather thing just for the back [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► of it with not even the sides like they [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► may you know they make is like kind of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► single panel decals or stickers or [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► protectors for phones generally so I was [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► think about doing that just to make them [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► back a little bit grippier 4n just for a [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► small amount of protection I too did not [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► get AppleCare as I [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► plain last week so I figure like you [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► know I'll see how it goes if I drop it [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► you everyone can make fun of me and [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► maybe I'll start you know spending $200 [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► a year at Apple care from that point [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► forward but right but I mean it's tilt [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► like until I start typing my phones that [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► I I'm coming out ahead by not doing that [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► so you're still doing your math wrong [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► you have to drop your phone enough times [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► to equal all the $200 all the money you [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► would have paid for all your phones it's [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► not $200 for each one because they used [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► to be cheaper but you have to add up all [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► that money and then if you wanted to try [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► to balance the scales you should really [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► only start buying Apple care after you [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► match that amount right exactly and so [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► far I haven't had to do that yet and an [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► ad like I would have to I would have to [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► pay full price for a lot of replacements [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► to make my policy worth reconsidering [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► and and also you know cases are also [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► part of that deal like cases are 50 [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► bucks at least you know for like for a [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► decent one from Apple or you know a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► decent from anybody else you know you're [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► generally looking at around that price [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► range so like this stuff that you know [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► you're paying for all these protective [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► things but you're paying a lot for that [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► protection and so you really have to be [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► breaking things on a regular basis to [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► make that to make you come out ahead [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► with that so anyway I am caseless you [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► are case ulis I you are also caseless [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► and I don't know I'm not caseless this [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► time I was that's right I am I'm rocking [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► the black leather this time yeah how so [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► so how is it it's like every other black [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► leather leather case I've had I mean I [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► like it it's very nice but like about [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the same one that they've been making [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► since the sexes Bailey absolutely yeah I [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► mean I choose black because when it [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► wears it doesn't really look any [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► different I know there's a lot of people [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► that like what is it like saddle brown [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► or whatever and once it gets worn it it [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► kind of gets that that that I don't know [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► I don't know how to describe it's not [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► really patina but it has that like look [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► to it and I know a lot of people that [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► really like that that's not really my [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► cup of tea [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► and I personally like a very quiet case [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► in the sense of visually quiet so I've [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► always had black leather cases my curly [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► is apparently I don't know if he's [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► received it at this point but it was [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► looking into getting a bumper which [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► actually sounded really interesting to [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► me I don't think it would be what I [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► would choose because that especially [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► that back glass if you shatter that [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► that's a bad day so I'm I'm gonna stick [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► with the black leather case and we'll [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► see how that goes [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► the other thing with any kind of case [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► and bumper is that it does interfere [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► with the side gestures and even though [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► like you know and once you get one like [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► you know I use my 6 and 6s the entire [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► time I had them with with apples other [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► case and and you do get used to it and [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► but but it does make the swipe in from [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► the side gesture a little harder to do [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► and it gives you a little less room to [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► do it and also it just collected dust [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► around that edge and everything it's I [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► don't I just I prefer not to use a case [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► unless I really have to or unless I feel [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► like I really have to and so far with [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► the 10 I don't think I'll need it the [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► only thing that makes me nervous is just [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► how expensive it is to repair and that [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► it is a new size that I'm still getting [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► used to holding and using so I'll get to [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► that later on in the show a little bit [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► but but so far I think I'm gonna [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► probably stay either caseless or with [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► some kind of minimal like stick on decal [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► thing on the back just to increase grip [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► alright moving on [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► John you do not have an iPhone 10 in [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► hand is that correct I thought you were [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► gonna move on like last week where Marco [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► edited out the part where I said whether [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► or not I got Apple Care Plus just it was [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► all about your wife it wasn't even about [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► yours so it wasn't you know that's the [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► iPhone 10 we're talking about it's the [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► only one I have I didn't get one anyway [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► to reiterate we got Apple Care Plus [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► because my wife drops her phone she [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► drops her previous one twice also on the [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► leather case the leather case for the 7 [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► is way better than the level the other [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► case for the 6 was if they change to [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► like metal volume buttons that poked out [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► through where is the 6 headlock these [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► lumps in the leather I don't know what [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the leather case for the 10 is but I can [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► tell you the leather case for the 7 is [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► big upgrade over the 6 for all the [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► buttons and I heard people saying they [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► really like the leather case for the 10 [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► that it had like aluminum buttons or [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► whatever same thing with it with the 7 [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► case and that is much much better than [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► the lumps as for cases I've always used [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► the case on all of my iOS things [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► well you've used a case and and what and [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► you yeah whatever I saw you you had like [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► a little baggie that you would put your [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► phone on couch yep yeah I use the pouch [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► mostly I mean I don't know why I started [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► using I think I got it from my applied [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► touches mostly just so I can shove it in [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► my pocket without worrying about [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► anything hitting the screen and also it [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► basically cleans the screen every time I [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► do that around the house I don't use it [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► obviously right it's only you know when [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► I'm when I'm going out or run it's in my [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► pocket [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► most of the reason I'm getting the cases [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► is for hand grip and for surface grip [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► but in the modern era I think the main [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► reason I probably will never go without [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► a case despite everything Marco said [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► about gestures were just true is because [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► it evens out the camera bump and that is [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► super drew on the 10 as we will talk [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► about so yes I'm using a case on my [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► iPhone 7 my wife got silicone cases for [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► her iPhone 10 and because she is [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► impatient and loves different colors she [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► got two of them just like she did by the [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► commuters you got three for a success [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► Plus anyway so the second case looks [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► good yeah actually the be leveling out [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► the camera bump is a is a real thing [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► that's another reason because like the [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► camera bump on the six is noticeably [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► larger I think than the in the previous [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► ones and so like for the for the first [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► time I'm actually interested in leveling [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► out the camera bumper I didn't care [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► before all right so yeah I have our next [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► to ask ATP from Kapila wa mala Ratan a [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► hope I got that right do you think Siri [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► lagging behind Google assistant will [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► eventually hurt iPhone sales and this [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► individual says I'm currently very [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► tempted by the pixel to uh I don't know [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► it's an interesting question I can tell [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you that I've gone through I feel like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► I'm I feelings about Siri go through [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► kind of a sine wave where the the peak [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► of the sine wave is like the grudgingly [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► accepting how bad Siri is and right now [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► I'm in a valley because I friggin hate [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Siri and I feel like it's constantly [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► giving me wrong data or not [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► understanding what I'm trying to tell it [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► but I don't have an Alexa in the house I [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► don't have a Google home in the house I [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► don't really ever use any Android or [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► Amazon devices so I don't really know [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► what I'm missing and because of that for [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► me I mean obviously and obviously I'm [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► all in on Apple anyway but I don't think [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► for me in people who don't have like [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► these multicultural households if you [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► will in terms of you know assistance I [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► don't know that anyone really realizes [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► how crappy Siri is including myself [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► but I'm curious to hear for like you [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► guys that have multiple you know talking [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► tubes in the house do you think that [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► this is a much bigger risk you know for [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► me it depends on what you're using it [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► for you know for me Siri is a is just [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► one part of why I choose Apple products [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► and why I love the iPhone so much and [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► why I use the iPhone over other phones [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► I think Siri not being as good as it [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► should be is a real problem and but it's [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► a real problem that is of different [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► degrees of severity depending on the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► product you're talking about so for [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► something like the home pod that's a big [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► problem like if Siri is not somehow [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► miraculously way better and way more [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► consistent and way less aciem that way [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► less personality on the home pod then it [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► is everywhere else right now then the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► home pod is gonna be I think really [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► annoying to use in practice because when [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it's when well that's the only interface [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► you have to something it really has to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► be good and consistent and smart and it [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► has to do the right thing like every [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► time and that's what the Amazon echo [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► does like it yep the echo is really [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► really good it's really consistent it [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► hardly ever fails and when it does fail [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► it doesn't do so with a cutesy response [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► where it's trying to be funny that [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► really just makes you want to set the [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► world on fire Siri in that kind of [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► context is gonna be a problem I think [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► but in you know for my phone the the [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► other reasons I choose the iPhone are so [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► much greater than the variance between [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► Siri and the other voice assistance that [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the other reasons will always overpower [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► that difference even if the iPhone [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► didn't have Siri at all even if it did [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► not have any voice interface at all I [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► would still choose the iPhone over [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► anything else just because the rest of [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► it is so compelling compared to that now [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► other people might have different [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► responses to that but for me and I think [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► for a lot of people I think the voice [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► features are really secondary and and [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► their convenience features on a phone [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► most of what you do on a phone is not [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► through that voice interface for most [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► so you know again like if your use case [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► may vary but for me it's like I want [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► Siri to be better for lots of reasons [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► and I think it needs to be better for [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► lots of reasons [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► but it's not gonna kill iPhone sales in [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► a meaningful way if it's not so you [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► missed the key booby trap in this [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► question here which is the word [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► eventually yes that's right it's [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► everybody's favorite it's gonna rain so [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► we'd like an infinite times to Gale horn [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► or something ya Gong do you think Syria [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► lagging behind Google system will [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► eventually hurt iPhone sales so there's [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► two aspects of this and the reason I [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► picked this question I'm never gonna put [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► a gong in my office I have to bail up [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► here but the bells nice and small a gong [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► is not small at a time scale Gong yeah I [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► mean you can get a little desk gone but [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► I mean if you're gonna get a gong get a [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► real one you know get like the one like [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► on the floor stay and ear your [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► accessories need to be under control air [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► so the the eventually part of this if [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► voice assistants become more and more [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► important on phones and Siri continues [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► to lag behind Google assistant then I [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► think your calculus might change Marco [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► if everyone else is talking to the [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► phone's constantly and get an awesome [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► response from it and it's like the most [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► convenient way to do a whole bunch of [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► things but cereal continues to lag [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► behind that may change your calculus on [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► exactly how important you feel is [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► nothing to make you buy an Android front [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► or whatever but the other angle on this [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► is that Google assistant is available on [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► iOS the only difference is that Apple [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► privileges Siri to be the one with the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► good system integration so Apple's [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► ultimate out if it can never get Siri to [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► be as good a Google assistant and if a [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► voice assistance on phones become much [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► more important than they are today Apple [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► always has the ability to say assuming [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► you know Google Danes to continue to be [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► on the iOS which I assume they will [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► because if they're on now and they have [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► 80% market share I don't see why they [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► wouldn't be forever is okay we will just [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► make api's so that any voice assistant [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► has the same kind of integration that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► Siri does and then voila your iPhone has [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► just as good a voice assistant as Google [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► because it's the same voice assistant [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► that would be kind of a failure scenario [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► and showed that they couldn't hack it [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► with Siri but I think it is likely that [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► voice assistants will [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► become more important on phones than [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► they are today I'm not sure how far [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► it'll go but certainly I'll become more [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► important and more important to KC's [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► point about us having cylinders in the [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► house I continue to have really good [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► customer status of but every once in a [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► while in addition to asking you to set [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► timers and do math for me right I I will [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► yell from three rooms away not even yell [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► just like like this is the most recent [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► thing where I was blown away with it [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► like I'm in my TV room but just like two [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► rooms away it's like kind of on the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► other side of the house but on the same [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► floor and we were having debate about [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► the ages of actors on the show we were [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► watching and I just asked to the air in [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► a slightly louder voice than normal but [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► not screaming you know name of actor how [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► old how old is this actor and how old [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► was that actor it gave me the answers [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► like it didn't say I can't find a person [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► by that name or didn't misspell it or [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► mistranslate it because it's powered by [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► Google and Google is the ultimate engine [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► for typing a bunch of characters that [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► you think might approximate the spelling [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► of a celebrity's name and because [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► they're celebrity it goes I think I know [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► who you meant even though you got that [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► name totally wrong and it works over [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► voice too that's not a very you know [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► amazing thing to do but if I had taken [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► out my phone and asked Siri to do it or [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► asked the home pod I can just imagine it [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► picking a name for my contacts that [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► sounds like the celebrity name and [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► giving me their age or saying there's no [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► birthday information or saying it [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► couldn't provide that information so I [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► think the lead is real and I think it [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► will eventually be a problem for Apple [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► but I think Apple has the ability to [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► turn back the clock to 2007 and say [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► Google powers all of our cool cloud [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► stuff because they're great at that and [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► we make the hardware in the OS which [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► would be bad as far as Apple's concerned [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► but it's always there as an out you know [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► I would say though is like in the [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► context of phone sales which is worth [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► with a question which really about we've [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► had voice input on laptops now for a [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► while but it hasn't really resulted in [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► people talking to the laptops very often [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► the the primary way that people interact [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► with their laptops by far is still [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► typing and looking at things on the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► screen my mom my mom talks to her laptop [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► a lot more than you would [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► I think there is a there is a kind of a [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► divide of traditional computer users and [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► people who for whom even crappy voice is [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► better than mouse and keyboard it's not [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► it's not widespread you're right most [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► people don't talk to their computers but [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► if voice assistants become better I feel [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► like that could start to change too oh [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► yeah but but I'm saying like it's we've [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► had it now for a while and it's still [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► while some people do it it still is not [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► the primary way most people interact [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► with it and phones we don't even we've [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► now had voice assistance on phones for [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► one day longer than Steve Jobs has been [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► gone so that's it's a while now and they [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► still have not become the primary [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► interface for interacting with phones [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► and I feel like every form factor of [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► computing device you know they become [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► compelling they become useful and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► popular to be used in certain ways and [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► you know the laptop is established as [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► like the mainstream PC thing and there's [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► the way you use a laptop it's with a [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► keyboard and a trackpad and that's been [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► established for some time and nothing's [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► really going to change that meaningfully [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► probably a phone has been established to [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► be a screen that's hand held or [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► approximately hand held that you can [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► touch with your finger and do [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► multi-touch gestures and type on the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► glass and everything and like have that [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► be the primary interface you can do [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► other things with them you can control [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► it by voice you know you can do other [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► methods with these things but those have [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► been the primary interfaces and over [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► time we really haven't seen anything to [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► suggest that these basic form factor [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► categories and the way you interact with [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► them really meaningfully changes or [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► dramatically changes over time you know [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► a laptop that you buy today while the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► keyboard sucks and it has no ports is [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► roughly the same proportions and form [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► factor as laptops we had 15 years ago [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► it's just better you know but it's the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► same general thing the same approximate [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► size the same approximate you know class [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► of device and you interact with roughly [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► the same way so a phone over time if you [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► think about like even on your infinite [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► time scale argument like you know phones [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► might be replaced by something else down [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the road you know but eventually they [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► probably will oh they're pretty they're [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► pretty [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► compelling now for and they they [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► probably will be for quite some time a [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► phone's primary interface is very likely [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► to remain touch for a very long time [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► probably for the entire rest of the time [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► that phones are relevant devices that [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► people carry but doesn't matter what the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► primary interface is though like I I [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► agree with you like it's got it's a [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► giant screen that you touch like of [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► course that's gonna be how you're gonna [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► interact with but if voice becomes a [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► more important part of how you interact [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► with the phone doesn't be the primary [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► way doesn't mean you stop touching the [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► screen you're always gonna touch screens [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► the whole point like you said it's in [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► your hand it's a little thing in your [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► hand until it's replaced by like magic [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► eyeglasses or some other thing in your [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► ear or something or whatever yes you're [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► gonna be touching it primarily but [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► imagine I imagine very frequently how [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► much better voice could be when I'm [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► driving a car and I hear my little phone [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► being in my pocket I would love to say [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► read the text for me but I can't say [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► that I can't even say hey Siri read the [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► text for me because it won't hear me [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► because it's in my pocket but it's [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► connected to bluetooth through my car so [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► it's using my car's crappy microphone [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► like it could be it could be better and [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► for for you know when the voice didn't [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► exist on iOS devices people were just [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► touching them entirely right there was [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► no no sirree right when voice was added [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it didn't really change our lives that [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► much except for maybe we use a set [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► timers and stuff but it radically [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► changed the way my mother uses iOS [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► devices and Macs because her primary [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► typing interface is speaking to her [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► devices now does not mean that the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► primary way she uses her laptop or her [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► phone is by voice of course not she's [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► using the mouse or the trackpad or you [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► know their fingers to use the iOS device [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► but anytime text netbook comes along she [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► dictates it I can tell because I see the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► dictate O's and all four stop I'm [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► picturing as a vegetable even though I [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► know what you meant but yeah sometimes [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► it's funny you have to kind of sound it [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► out to figure out what she was to be she [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► doesn't she doesn't go back and edit [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► because editing would require her to try [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► to like place the cursor in iOS on her [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► phone and you know it's not gonna work [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► with her vision and her fingernails is [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► just not gonna happen but I think that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► really has changed how she's done things [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► and if you said you can have a computer [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► or a phone but it won't do you know [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► speech to text she would not like it [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► so all I'm saying is I think it could [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► potentially become more important and if [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► Google assistant gets to the point where [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► I can do things like [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► who just texted me was that my wife like [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► if I can interact with it in kind of a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► naturalistic way and a regular tone of [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► voice and have an expectation that it'll [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► know what the heck I'm talking about and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► responded in a reasonable way that is a [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► game-changer right you you cross some [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► threshold just like touch responsiveness [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► cross some threshold with the iPhone [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► it's like oh I see that Touch is [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► supposed to be voice it's not there yet [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► but I feel like it could get there and [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► become a more important part of how your [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► phone worked any of you saw everyone [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► else driving with their Android phones [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► interacting doing those interactions not [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► as their primary using the phone but [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► just like sometimes it's that's the most [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► convenient way to do stuff if you see [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► that happening and your iPhone can't do [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► it because every time you try to talk to [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► it like the bloops at the wrong time or [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► like tells you it can't help you or runs [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► like a web search and says I found five [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► things about is that for my wife yeah [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► that's fair and and I do you know you're [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► right that like if there's radical [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► differences between Syria and its [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► competitors that it does start become an [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► issue but it's only an issue to the [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► degree that voice input is important to [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► that device and so if input is always [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► the secondary way you're interacting [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► with this thing if you're mostly still [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► touching it and you and voice is just [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► like the secondary set of features it's [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► way less important whether the voice [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► input is mediocre or excellent and so I [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► think Siri can continue and it's and [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► because the rest of the phone is so much [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► better than its competitors and for [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► almost everybody for almost every recent [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► sorry Android people that's that's the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► way it is because the primary interface [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► is so advanced and so compelling [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► the secondary interface I think has way [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► more tolerance to be mediocre and still [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► not make people change their buying [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► habits really like I'm always depressed [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that I can't even get like my immediate [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► family to to get on board with iPhones [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► and this is the thing where I start to [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► worry that even though it seems clear to [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► us that iOS has advantages like there [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► are you know advantages that we [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► appreciate it's very clear that they are [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► advanced just that most of the rest of [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► the world does not appreciate or at [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► least they do not appreciate them enough [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► to pay for them so I you know my sister [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► has an Android phone and she replaced it [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► with another Android phone and I [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► couldn't convince her to get an iPhone [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► you know why because well I got was [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► Android phone and it [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► $200 but I got $150 Costco rebate so it [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► even cost less than that can you show me [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the iPhone I can buy $450 and I was like [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► no I can't show you the iPhone you can [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► buy for $150 and there's no way I could [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► convince her that a difference between [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► $50 net and $800 for an iPhone like but [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► don't you see how much better iOS is [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► it's like I do not see $750 or the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► difference and that's why I'm Android [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► has 80% market share like bones are such [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► a commodity now that people just want a [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► phone any casually they want a new phone [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► but it's like it's like who buys [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► batteries from the Seinfeld episode like [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► how you pay money for your phone I got [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► this one for 50 bucks and it's fine I [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► got this one 50 bucks and it's fine [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► might as well be the Android slogan like [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► it is an incredible you cannot there's [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► nothing you can say to someone who says [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I got this for me dollars and it's fine [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► because they don't care about phones [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► they're not phone enthusiasts they're [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► not phone power users they just want a [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► phone that lets them do phone things and [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► it's 50 dollars and there's nothing you [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► can say to them I say this thousand [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► dollar iPhone 10 that reads your face [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► like magic is like don't you want this [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► now it's like maybe if I have an infant [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► money but I got this is $150 and it's [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► fine this is the show we're about to [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► talk about how much we love our iPhone [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► 10 so you know spoilers well we still [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► have one more one more ask a TV to go [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► through Ananda would like to know is [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► Marco getting in a Sony a7r 3 since they [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► addressed the battery concerns he had [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► with the mark 2 so my understanding is [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► you're a 7 r2 if memory serves the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► battery was just it won't fly under [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► under suited for the for the device and [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► you were charging constantly so - is [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► that an accurate retelling and does the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► a7 r3 fix that by the answer I love how [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► this question calls is the previous [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► version of the Sony camera the mark 2 [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► that's kind of crossing the streams [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► there it's not the market that's the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► Canon lingo and before that many of the [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► things anyway the a7 r2 that I had two [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► main problems with it the battery life [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► was one and the other was the general [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► speed of handling things like you know [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► like reviewing an image that I just shot [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► or just you know speed and [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► responsiveness of the controls in the [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► system and shooting and everything else [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► it was you know capturing those giant 42 [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► megapixel images off that sensor the the [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► camera is image processor I think just [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► couldn't handle that very well and so a [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► lot of operations on the 5d Mark are [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► sorry Wow on the a7 r2 are just really [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► sluggish and when you when I switched [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► back to Canon 4 and I got the 5d Mark 4 [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► instead it's night and day difference I [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► mean it isn't as many megapixels I think [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► it's only 30 you don't quote only 30 [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► instead of 42 but processing those [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► pixels and navigating and shooting and [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► reviewing the images and zooming into [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the images to see if they're sharp but [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► everything like it's just a million [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► times faster on the 5d Mark 4 than it is [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► on the a7 are - so the a7 r3 we just [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► announced I I don't know if it's out yet [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► but it's could either way it's it's out [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► shortly or now and I when I sold by a7 [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► r2 to Stephen Hackett I kept my two [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► favorite lenses the the 55 and a 35 [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► primes because I thought you know Len [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► lens resale value is not going to change [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► much in a year and if I end up buying [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► back into the Sony ecosystem you know I [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► have these lenses I'd have to rebuy them [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► so I I kind of left the door open that I [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► could go back if I wanted to [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► the a7 r3 promises to it uses the new [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► batteries that the a9 introduced in 89 [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► is it's like a fast sports camera that [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► and that's not really what I would what [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► I be looking for it uses the same [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► batteries that does which have allegedly [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► I think like two-and-a-half times the [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► capacity of the old ones and allegedly [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► the a7 r3 also has a faster image [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► processor but until it's actually out [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► and until people can actually review it [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► and maybe I can rent one it's it's hard [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► to quantify that it's like well how much [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► faster is it and how much better are [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► those batteries if it's only a little [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► bit better that's not good enough for me [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► if it can make it to the speed and [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► responsiveness level of a Canon [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► full-frame SLR and with the battery life [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► that could be similar then we'll talk [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► but it's too early to know that yet I am [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► very tempted though because as you know [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► in the Canada world while I do [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► absolutely love the speed and the [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► handling and the basically infinite [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► battery life the full-size SLRs have [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► compared to perilous I do miss those 42 [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► megapixels when I try to shoot myself a [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► new 5 K wallpaper and I also miss the [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► in-body stabilization to make every lens [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► stabilize basically so i i'm curious to [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► rent one when it comes out whenever i [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► can get my hands on a rental it might be [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► a while but I'm not rushing out to buy [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► it yet [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► because I I think the most likely [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► outcome here is that it will be better [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► but not better enough we our sponsor [TS]

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00:44:58 ◼   ► sounds like all three households have [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► received at least one iPhone 10 in the [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► case of our house I got one and Aaron [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► got one I got the whatever we're calling [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► it whatever the Apple term is for black [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► 2:56 Aaron got whatever the Apple term [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► is for white 256 Marco how did your [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► house end up white 256 and then John how [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► did you end up I didn't receive a phone [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► I had to go out and get it alright I our [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► phone but it was like two or three weeks [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► wait but I in the days since ordering [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the phone I've been using the store app [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► to try to do in-store pickup and I [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► forget one morning like one weekend [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► morning or an 8 a.m. I did my typical [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► order and went to see what's available [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► for in-store pickup and I saw that my [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► local Apple Store has the phone that I [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► wanted so I said please reserve that [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► from me I will come pick it up at the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► appointed time and we did and we came [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► picked up at the appointed time now it [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► was tricky because this is my wife's own [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► remember she had an outstanding order [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► and we did the Verizon Way where you [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► enter all the information so that when [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► you get the phone it's basically already [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► assigned to her phone number when you [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► take it out of the box and activate it [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► it deactivates your other phone and [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► everything right and like that's we had [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► that in process it would not let me [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► reserve for in-store pick up a phone [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► with her same number on it right because [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► it says you already have a phone that's [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► you know in process the only way you can [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► do this it said basically was to receive [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► the order and then like I don't know [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► return it or something like it didn't [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► even give you the option to say if you [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► can't see the other order will let you [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► go through this or it said no you cannot [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► do another order until that order [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► arrives so we're never so instead I [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► ordered the iPhone 10 from me with my [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► telephone number [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► because my wife just wanted to get the [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► phone she's like just do it just do [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► whatever it takes to get the phone we'll [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► start it out afterwards and so we did we [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► ordered it with my phone number and my [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► thing and took the iPhone 10 went to the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► store to pick it up took it out of the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► box it activated as my phone a [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► deactivated my phone then we did some [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► sim swapping and a couple minutes later [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► we were busily updating the stupid thing [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► to iOS 11.1 because it shipped with [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► eleven point 0.1 and restoring from [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► backup and completely forgetting to do [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the watch thing which we'll discuss in a [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► little bit but all in all she eventually [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► got her whatever the hell it is black [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► Space Gray 256 that now is correctly [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► assigned to her telephone number and I'm [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► back on my iPhone 7 alright I'm going to [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► just start with some of my impressions [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and if you guys let me I'll carry on [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► until I'm done but in all likelihood [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► we're gonna end up just all of us [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► talking about everything so oh wait [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► before you begin the point I wanted to [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► make what the in-store pickup if you [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► have an order with Apple and you're [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► waiting and like oh man I go wait three [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► weeks just everyday in the morning go to [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► the Apple Store app on iOS try to order [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► it and see it and do in-store pickup [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► it's before you complete the order it'll [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► show you what stores have the model and [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► the model and size available in your [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► area available for pickup there's a lot [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► of availability every single day new [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► stuff comes in every single day in the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► morning just do that it's really easy to [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► get a phone for local pickup before your [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► one that you are comes you can always [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► just cancel your order which is what we [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► did so I would encourage everyone who is [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► being a patient or the phone do that [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► look for in-store pickup everyday so [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► initial impressions at the time I tried [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► to take some very very very brief notes [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► it's heavy or at least I feel like it's [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► heavy [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► not bad heavy just oh this is heavier [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► kind of heavy curiously though the size [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► doesn't act I don't get actively [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► reminded that it's bigger if that makes [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► sense like if I think about it for a [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► half second oh yeah this feels bigger [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► than what I'm used to but it's not like [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► the Plus Club where I feel like I'm [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► holding a dinner tray it's just it's [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► it's close enough to my old one that it [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► feels about the same do you do you feel [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► similarly or do you feel like you [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► definitely notice the size Marko so I [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► took notes as I was [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► like experiencing it just so I could you [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► know get some opinions down my first two [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► notes are it looks great period it's [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► heavy period my first to my initial [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► reaction to it very very clear [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► I actually just for the second compares [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► and I just pulled my iPhone 7 out of the [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► drawer and first of all man this is way [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► grippier have a no question way grippier [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► but yeah the weight difference is [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► immediately apparent going either [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► direction you know it's it's definitely [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► a weighty phone but you know I will say [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► you know about the size I agree with you [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that it does not feel that it doesn't [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► feel like a plus phone I will say though [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► it is like having a regular iPhone 7 in [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► your pocket and in other places like you [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► know in Docs and in cars and then cup [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► holder isn't like it feels like an [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► iPhone 7 physically but when actually [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► using it it feels like using a plus [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► because it's so much harder to reach [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► things hmmm I see your point so it likes [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► to summarize like it's like having a [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► plus in your hand but a7 in your pocket [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► I mostly agree with that but I think in [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► in my hand that in my pocket my main [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► impression of it is is that it's taller [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► like I know it's not actually thinner [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► but because it's taller when I mentally [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► envision it and think about holding it I [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► think oh that's the one that's like [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► skinnier than my iPhone 7 but taller [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► it's not right but because it's taller [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► that's my impression and Margot is 100% [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► right with like okay that's how it feels [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► as a physical object what happens when [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► you start trying to touch your screen [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► you're like oh there's a lot more screen [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► than they used to be and some of its [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► harder to reach I can get behind that I [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► do feel like the width is is the thing [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► that I notice most or that makes me most [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► uncomfortable it's not I don't feel like [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► I don't have numbers in front of me it's [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► not egregiously wider than what I'm used [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► to but it's wide enough that it's just [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► ever so slightly uncomfortable and I [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► think Marco you're a hundred percent [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► right that yeah the screen is big enough [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► that this is really a two hand phone but [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► I think because I just knew that the [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► screen was going to be much bigger that [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► I was like mentally prepped for that but [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► I was not mentally or physically prepped [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► being noticeably wider and if it ever if [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► there's ever a time that I'm reminded [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► about the physical differences of the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► phone it's because I'm trying to hold it [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► and I feel like it's just just the hint [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► wider than I want it to be it's thicker [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► than me it may just be because my wife's [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► got a silicone case which might be [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► thicker than the other one that I'm used [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► to and I have no idea if it actually is [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► thicker than the Sun but this is just [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► how it feels when I think about the 10 [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and the silicone case versus the 7 in [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► the leather like I said at the opposite [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► of Casey that I feel like the 10 is [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► skinnier even though it isn't and like [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► like not as wide right and I also have [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► the impression that the 10 is thicker I [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► didn't notice the weight as much as you [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► - I know I recognize that it is heavier [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► and I guess I'm I did him side by side I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► would notice that but just having [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► attended myself I don't notice the [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► weight as much but I noticed that it's [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► thicker and taller it is thicker I just [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► put them on a desk with their Kimber was [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► hanging off to normalize that for the [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► non bump space and yeah it is thicker [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► noticeably I will so they're like I [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► don't actually like what I'm not doing a [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► flat on the desk comparison test it [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► doesn't read to me as thicker yeah I [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► would agree with that I agree with what [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► you said Marko that it's beautiful one [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► of the first things I noticed and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► somebody else had said this on Twitter [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► and I don't I don't recall who it was [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► but they had said it looks manias Panza [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► reno they had said that it looks as [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► though the screen is photoshopped onto [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► the device you're holding and I don't [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► know if I would have character [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► characterized it that way [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► had I not read it already but that was a [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► perfect description of it that it seems [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► like the screen is just photoshopped on [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► to this like object that you're holding [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► it is so I'm assuming it's just that [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► it's so close to the glass even closer [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► than it ever has been I can't wait till [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► they actually get a screen on the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► surface of something because this is [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► exactly what we used to say like when [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► they did the fused glass on the floor I [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► was like wow the pixels are coming [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► they're so close to your fingers and [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► it's true over time that pickles have [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► been getting closer to your fingers and [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► this is the closest yet but I definitely [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► I think it was slightly overblown to say [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► they look like it was far shot line yes [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► it does look like it's closer than other [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► phones but it doesn't feel to me as if [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► I'm running my fingers over our magazine [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► picture cut out of a magazine right like [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► it doesn't feel like the picture the [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► picture [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► on the surface there yes barely below it [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► yeah either way yeah it just it I think [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► it's beautiful the screen looks great I [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► am I don't have a good enough I to be [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► able to tell tell you anything about [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► color reproduction or anything like that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► you don't notice the blacks you know [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► unless the black levels you don't watch [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► a movie on it no I haven't really [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► watched movie with credits in a darkroom [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► that as a black screen with the white [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► title in the middle okay and then hold [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► up your seven with the same movie and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► realize the seven is showing a gray [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► background with white text in the middle [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah no I'm with you I I just don't [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► think I I'm discerning enough to be [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► wowed by that until to your point I do a [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► side-to-side test or side by side test [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► that does HDR too I realized that this [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► iPhone 10 is the only HDR screen I have [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► in my house find some HDR movies and [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► iTunes it looks pretty good turns out [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► but yeah the screen looks great I will [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► say that when I was on the plane earlier [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► today I haven't be sitting in the middle [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► of two gentlemen that both had plus [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► phones I couldn't tell you specifically [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► what vintage but they were both plus [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► size phones and looking over at one of [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► them and I this is probably just telling [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► you how much of a jerk I am but I was [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► kind of repulsed by how big the chin and [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► forehead work I looked over and I was [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► just like oh god those look ancient and [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► they do it's a place for you to stick [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► your gum when you're not using it just [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► the table right John because at least [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► you know which one's yours no seriously [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► though like they both look so ancient [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► and just oh like oh god that looks so [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► old and in mine [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► like I feel like this unequivocally [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► looks like the future and we'll see what [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► happens with the notch but it just looks [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► way newer and way more modern so while [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► we're talking about the screen and one [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► of the you know typical like Apple [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► problem with the new iPhone stories that [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► went around was about the blue shift and [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► in the screen there's you know Aaron [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► quality all LEDs that it apparently it [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► is I don't have no experience is always [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► too low that when you're looking for [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► screen head on looks gorgeous but if you [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► tilt the screen a little bit away from [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► you or too [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► or whatever that the the colors shift [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► towards blue and so when I got phone I [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► tried this and they're right it shifts [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► blow it definitely does but without [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► looking no cheating what happens on a [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► pre 10 iPhone when you tilt the screen [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► off axis don't do it don't pick up your [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► phone and do it don't look okay just [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► tell me this is the pop quiz what [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► happens on a pre iPhone screen when [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► utility yellow I have no idea because it [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► doesn't matter because I always look at [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► my phone straight on or not at all and [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► if I'm gonna have to look at it [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► diagonally I won't care if it shifts [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► slightly like this is such ironic I [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► don't think you actually do always look [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► at it on axis like and I because I think [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► you do look at it tilted I just think [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► that changes in color like this blue [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► shift are subtle enough that nobody [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► cares and to spoil it for you what [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► preten I phones do what essentially IPS [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► LCD do as they get dimmer instead of [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► getting dimmer in all spectrums RGB [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► spectrum equally the ten gets dimmer in [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► the R and the G leaving the be a little [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► bit more I'm not quite sure why it does [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► this but that's how it works but if you [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► now take them both and put them in front [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► of you and tilt them both their their [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► off axis viewing it's not greater than [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► either one of them right [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► but as Marco said either you're always [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► looking at a head-on or it's tilted to [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► such degree that you don't care so if [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► you read a story about the iPhone 1000 [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► it's green-blue shifting it does but it [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► is no more egregious than what every [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► iPhone you've ever done has done and I [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► think most people well even if they've [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► read a hundred stories about this and [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► are terrified about it you will not [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► notice it in practice and this screen [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► looks amazing from from from any angle [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► in all situations yeah it's a total [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► non-issue because the fact that neither [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► of us neither me or Casey could tell you [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► what happened if you looked off access [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► to the all the previewing I couldn't [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► have told you either I had to do it I'm [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► like well maybe you know LCD is [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► especially IPS LCD SAR well known for [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► really good of you know so I'm like oh [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► well I guess it's just a disadvantage of [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► all LEDs I'll take it because I like the [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► black levels but LCDs don't do that [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► right then I took my iPhone 7 and tilted [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► I'm like nope pretty bad pretty bad tilt [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► it and it gets very dim very fast like [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► oh I never noticed that before and why [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► because you just don't you just don't in [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► normally use [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► yeah after 10 years are using these [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► things neither none of us can tell you [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► what happened so it's like it's [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► obviously not a big problem practice and [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► and now that you look like go look for [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► go take your iPhone 7 and put it on a [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► white screen tilted it's not subtle like [TS]