Roderick on the Line

Ep. 268: "A Principled Ohioan"


00:00:01   [Music] [TS]

00:00:05   hello daijaan hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:13   [Music] [TS]

00:00:20   about three days ago I got a pair of [TS]

00:00:24   pants at a thrift store and they were [TS]

00:00:29   called Adriano or Adriano gold Schmiedt [TS]

00:00:35   and I had never heard the name Adriano [TS]

00:00:40   gold Schmiedt and I thought I thought me [TS]

00:00:43   that's a pretty cool name [TS]

00:00:45   mm-hmm and that you know the pants were [TS]

00:00:48   like three dollars or something so I was [TS]

00:00:50   like yeah you know that's cool Oh get [TS]

00:00:53   him let's stand up scale well I did that [TS]

00:00:56   thing where I was like I got a I gotta [TS]

00:00:58   figure out what Adriano Goldschmidt is [TS]

00:01:00   and and normally before I buy something [TS]

00:01:03   like that I've looked it up right there [TS]

00:01:04   mm-hmm oh that's smart and so did you [TS]

00:01:09   you don't rep the wrong thing no you [TS]

00:01:11   don't want to get so you don't want to [TS]

00:01:12   get something that looks fancy that's [TS]

00:01:13   fake fancy and you don't want to get [TS]

00:01:15   something that is like I'm just gonna [TS]

00:01:18   wear these around the house your company [TS]

00:01:20   and your product I think there's very [TS]

00:01:24   few even customs or laws the concern [TS]

00:01:30   that I think you can name it whatever [TS]

00:01:31   you want [TS]

00:01:32   yeah you could you could say fanciest [TS]

00:01:34   giant somebody yeah exactly right yeah [TS]

00:01:36   be it's AG Adriano gold Schmiedt Inc [TS]

00:01:41   right but I so I had him in my arms at [TS]

00:01:46   the thrift store and I was like Adriana [TS]

00:01:50   Goldschmidt Autry on a gold meet and [TS]

00:01:53   because I wanted to look it up but I was [TS]

00:01:55   you know I was like I'll do that in a [TS]

00:01:57   second because I was yeah halfway [TS]

00:01:58   through searching for a rack or [TS]

00:02:00   something [TS]

00:02:00   and then I went over to the thing and I [TS]

00:02:04   wandering around the store and then I [TS]

00:02:06   was like what was I gonna do [TS]

00:02:08   oh right Adriano gone I looked at the [TS]

00:02:09   pants again to remember the name [TS]

00:02:11   Jan Goldsmith Audrianna gold Reid and [TS]

00:02:15   then for whatever reason something else [TS]

00:02:17   has so the person said something to me [TS]

00:02:19   anyway I bought the pants having not [TS]

00:02:22   looked up Audrey on her Goldschmidt but [TS]

00:02:24   as I was walking out of the store I was [TS]

00:02:25   like oh right I want to look up what [TS]

00:02:27   these are for three bucks you know geez [TS]

00:02:30   so in the dungarees yeah they're like [TS]

00:02:32   black soft jeans okay so I looked at it [TS]

00:02:37   I looked at it begin Audriana colt sweet [TS]

00:02:40   right I'll you know as soon as I get to [TS]

00:02:42   my truck I'm gonna sit there and look it [TS]

00:02:44   up before I you know while the trucks [TS]

00:02:45   were warming up somehow I didn't do that [TS]

00:02:48   so when I got home and I was unloading [TS]

00:02:50   the groceries and stuff and I and I kept [TS]

00:02:53   the little thrift store package and I'm [TS]

00:02:55   like all right right right right and I [TS]

00:02:56   look at the pants Audrianna cold sweet [TS]

00:02:58   right as soon as I get in the house I'm [TS]

00:02:59   gonna look it up anyway for the last [TS]

00:03:02   three days I have looked at the jeans [TS]

00:03:05   and I have memorized the name Audria of [TS]

00:03:08   Goldschmidt Anna gold Smith and I've [TS]

00:03:10   repeated it to myself like five six [TS]

00:03:12   times like a mantra and then each time [TS]

00:03:15   it's like the name hypnotizes me or [TS]

00:03:20   somehow it's like an incantation [TS]

00:03:23   so almost like I like a spell like a [TS]

00:03:25   spell and and if I say it five times I [TS]

00:03:28   will I will forget to look it up it's [TS]

00:03:31   like a spell about itself oh it's doing [TS]

00:03:33   like a like a mine white thing yeah so [TS]

00:03:36   I've done a goldsmith Audrianna gold to [TS]

00:03:37   meet and then it's it's well there may [TS]

00:03:40   be more to it but it appears that at [TS]

00:03:42   least one performance characteristic of [TS]

00:03:43   this incantation is that as soon as you [TS]

00:03:45   say the words you forget the words and [TS]

00:03:48   that you said them yeah right I have to [TS]

00:03:51   then remember oh right I was gonna look [TS]

00:03:53   up with those jeans what were those [TS]

00:03:54   jeans again with no I don't I don't [TS]

00:03:57   retain Adriano [TS]

00:03:58   I don't retain gold Schmiedt I retained [TS]

00:04:01   nothing not even the initials so on my [TS]

00:04:05   way in here to sit down I was like right [TS]

00:04:08   right right [TS]

00:04:09   Adriano Gold's made I mean I I pulled [TS]

00:04:13   them out of the washing machine to look [TS]

00:04:16   at the name on them and then I was like [TS]

00:04:18   you know they're my new jeans I'll just [TS]

00:04:19   put him on and I put them on I'm wearing [TS]

00:04:21   them [TS]

00:04:21   right now oh wow like debut and as I was [TS]

00:04:27   sitting down at the computer as we [TS]

00:04:29   called I was like Audrey on a culture [TS]

00:04:30   meet Audrey or gold mean but I'm already [TS]

00:04:34   deciding that I don't like them I'm [TS]

00:04:35   gonna give them back to the thirst [TS]

00:04:37   oh what a journey well because they're [TS]

00:04:41   not inexpensive if you go to your local [TS]

00:04:43   Nordstrom and you pick these up you're [TS]

00:04:46   gonna spend so you're gonna spend some [TS]

00:04:47   money the thing is that it it's very [TS]

00:04:50   very very rarely happens because usually [TS]

00:04:52   I only buy things that are that are [TS]

00:04:54   pretty unworn you know you don't want to [TS]

00:04:58   just go buy somebody else's where it [TS]

00:05:02   pays to be picky and bees as I sat down [TS]

00:05:07   they didn't they don't smell bad they [TS]

00:05:10   don't smell thrift story they just smell [TS]

00:05:13   like somebody else oh I see I don't want [TS]

00:05:16   to sit around and smell up somebody else [TS]

00:05:18   can't imprint on them yeah so anyway [TS]

00:05:23   what's the story with Audrey no gold [TS]

00:05:24   tree did you look him up I looked on the [TS]

00:05:26   internet science site [TS]

00:05:27   Adrian Adriano Goldschmidt he's an [TS]

00:05:29   Italian fashion designer who focuses on [TS]

00:05:31   denim jeans known as The Godfather of [TS]

00:05:33   denim and the originator of premium [TS]

00:05:36   denim he created he created bezel replay [TS]

00:05:39   gap 1969 and AG Adriano Gulch meet and [TS]

00:05:43   is currently directing gold sign and [TS]

00:05:46   men's citizens of humanity design and [TS]

00:05:51   citizens he's kind of a kind of a kind [TS]

00:05:54   of a big wheel yeah this is a pants [TS]

00:05:56   baller created premium denim yeah [TS]

00:06:05   premium denim yeah were you were you [TS]

00:06:09   around for the for the transition to [TS]

00:06:11   premium I mean I you know I was extant [TS]

00:06:14   but it was not I just remember having [TS]

00:06:17   one of those old man moments where you [TS]

00:06:19   know you hear like oh you can buy these [TS]

00:06:20   jeans now and they're $400 and I was [TS]

00:06:23   like that seems like a lot of money for [TS]

00:06:24   jeans pretty much makes that I feel like [TS]

00:06:28   I feel like I'm aware that diesel is a [TS]

00:06:31   brand from a time when jeans got costly [TS]

00:06:34   and [TS]

00:06:35   presumably fancy but the funny part is [TS]

00:06:38   like you think about the 80s I mean not [TS]

00:06:40   not to make this totally an old man [TS]

00:06:41   thing but like when with the call of [TS]

00:06:45   designer jeans got popular in the late [TS]

00:06:46   70s kind of associated a little bit with [TS]

00:06:49   the disco movement you get you're very [TS]

00:06:51   tight you think you look at it you look [TS]

00:06:52   for a band to go to Vanderbilt [TS]

00:06:54   Jordache Georgia oh oh I my home in [TS]

00:06:59   Seattle but I live in Britannia also the [TS]

00:07:08   Jordache look oh yeah what were some [TS]

00:07:11   other ones you got we're so dark [TS]

00:07:19   okay clients nothing comes between me [TS]

00:07:22   and my cow me and my Calvin's yeah [TS]

00:07:24   that's right [TS]

00:07:26   and and so then so in my head I you know [TS]

00:07:28   it's funny $40 is such an interesting as [TS]

00:07:31   they say price point like you know a or [TS]

00:07:34   four four zero four zero dollars like if [TS]

00:07:36   you watch if you're watching you're in a [TS]

00:07:38   hotel room and you get regular TV on [TS]

00:07:40   you'll notice how many things that you [TS]

00:07:41   order off the TV regardless of how many [TS]

00:07:44   you end up getting cuz of this special [TS]

00:07:45   offer you call next hundred minutes as [TS]

00:07:47   39.95 at that and and now when I was a [TS]

00:07:51   youth two things were $40 two very [TS]

00:07:54   important things a pair of like pretty [TS]

00:07:56   good Nikes $40 $40 a pair of what they [TS]

00:08:00   think all designer jeans that's $40 huh [TS]

00:08:03   now and now in my household both of [TS]

00:08:05   those that was that made it at like a [TS]

00:08:06   vellum good like you've got to be [TS]

00:08:08   kidding me like you could get these [TS]

00:08:10   perfectly serviceable JCPenney shoes [TS]

00:08:12   that are blue and orange and have the [TS]

00:08:14   wrong number of stripes on it absolutely [TS]

00:08:16   you get those for maybe eight eight or [TS]

00:08:18   ten dollars ditto for a pair of Levi's [TS]

00:08:20   that you pick up at Sears or tough skins [TS]

00:08:23   right yeah I know I wouldn't wear tough [TS]

00:08:26   skin cuz you're hot [TS]

00:08:27   yeah I was too husky yeah and I've never [TS]

00:08:30   been able to wear any kind of Wranglers [TS]

00:08:32   or anything like that [TS]

00:08:33   husky Huskies like the boy version of [TS]

00:08:35   women oh it's available in women's sizes [TS]

00:08:39   horrible code word like literally half [TS]

00:08:42   of the population has [TS]

00:08:45   their clothes is like your little bigger [TS]

00:08:47   than we'd like well I get twelve let's [TS]

00:08:50   go over to women's to Walker to walk [TS]

00:08:52   around with the word husky around your [TS]

00:08:55   neck was was really a Scarlet Letter I [TS]

00:08:58   know but I I the the the original run of [TS]

00:09:03   fashion jeans in the 70s and early 80s I [TS]

00:09:07   didn't I obviously was too young to [TS]

00:09:09   really participate in because yeah like [TS]

00:09:10   you say $40 for appearances your style [TS]

00:09:13   yeah but but the second wave of what I [TS]

00:09:18   think here is being described as premium [TS]

00:09:20   denim mm-hmm I was standing at Ground [TS]

00:09:22   Zero of premium denim because my [TS]

00:09:27   girlfriend at the time worked in the 90s [TS]

00:09:31   at a store sort of pioneered this this [TS]

00:09:36   this whole concept of thought technology [TS]

00:09:39   was pioneered in Seattle which was and [TS]

00:09:42   pioneered by like a specific couple of [TS]

00:09:44   people which was go out to the Rocky [TS]

00:09:47   Mountain States drive around oh yeah you [TS]

00:09:50   talked about this yeah yeah you [TS]

00:09:52   mentioned you did talk about just so you [TS]

00:09:53   know you did talk about this your lady [TS]

00:09:55   friend who would go off on journeys to [TS]

00:09:57   try and find this she decided this would [TS]

00:09:59   become her business she could go out and [TS]

00:10:01   find some trousers that she could sell [TS]

00:10:03   for a way above what she bought them for [TS]

00:10:04   right now's her chance and so she worked [TS]

00:10:07   at a storefront here in Seattle and the [TS]

00:10:09   hole and this was later right after it [TS]

00:10:12   wasn't so easy to just go find jeans [TS]

00:10:13   lying around the whole point of the [TS]

00:10:16   storefront was it was just like walk in [TS]

00:10:19   the door there were four shelves maybe [TS]

00:10:23   in the store and one of the shelves had [TS]

00:10:25   a pair of original Air Jordans mm-hmm [TS]

00:10:30   one of the shelves had a pair of [TS]

00:10:32   original something you know is like [TS]

00:10:34   there were four things for sale in the [TS]

00:10:35   store it was not a store that you went [TS]

00:10:37   to buy things and she was sitting behind [TS]

00:10:40   the counter looking at a magazine and [TS]

00:10:42   the point is you would walk in there and [TS]

00:10:44   try and sell her your jeans and her job [TS]

00:10:48   was to sit there and look at your jeans [TS]

00:10:50   like no you're not the ones on you [TS]

00:10:52   mmm-hmm [TS]

00:10:53   like you'd walk in with an armload of [TS]

00:10:54   jeans and go hey what do you think of [TS]

00:10:56   these and then she would [TS]

00:10:58   sneer at your genes and then you would [TS]

00:11:01   walk out of there feeling bad and [TS]

00:11:03   sometimes you would argue with her and [TS]

00:11:05   she would just like look at her she'd go [TS]

00:11:08   back to reading her that's like they're [TS]

00:11:09   gonna fight with a frat boy that you [TS]

00:11:11   just can't ya can are you with the girl [TS]

00:11:14   whose sole job it is to mock your gene [TS]

00:11:18   the most important part of her job is [TS]

00:11:20   what she doesn't buy right and so she [TS]

00:11:23   would sometimes somebody would walk in [TS]

00:11:26   and say uh could I saw these jeans who [TS]

00:11:29   would grandfathers and she'd be like [TS]

00:11:32   those jeans and give you some amount of [TS]

00:11:36   money I don't I was never like to 100% [TS]

00:11:38   privy to how much you know money went [TS]

00:11:41   back that's interesting but so she man [TS]

00:11:44   he would have been bragging about it [TS]

00:11:45   yeah well she's playing it close to the [TS]

00:11:48   vest you know that this is the thing [TS]

00:11:50   that was an era when thrift store [TS]

00:11:52   Pickers I think I've told you about this [TS]

00:11:55   we would go to thrift stores it way way [TS]

00:11:57   out in the country and we'd be walking [TS]

00:12:00   around and there'd be five other people [TS]

00:12:01   in the store and they would all know [TS]

00:12:04   each other and glare at each other and [TS]

00:12:06   we'd be walking through the aisle and [TS]

00:12:08   dadada and then you know somebody would [TS]

00:12:11   be coming the other way with a shopping [TS]

00:12:12   cart full of stuff and they would pass [TS]

00:12:14   her and they'd be like hi Meegan mm-hmm [TS]

00:12:17   and she'd go hi and it was like wow we [TS]

00:12:21   are 80 miles out of Seattle like what [TS]

00:12:24   are you people and she's just like oh my [TS]

00:12:26   god that person is just the worst they [TS]

00:12:29   run a little store somewhere in there [TS]

00:12:30   you know grudging level of respect to it [TS]

00:12:33   though or absolutely like it was he [TS]

00:12:36   might be a little envious it's somebody [TS]

00:12:37   somebody got got to the trousers first [TS]

00:12:39   some of that but they all were very [TS]

00:12:41   detailed about what they bought on what [TS]

00:12:43   they liked and what their thing was [TS]

00:12:45   right so Meegan would walk through and [TS]

00:12:47   just she'd pick stuff out and be like oh [TS]

00:12:49   yeah this is worth ninety dollars but [TS]

00:12:50   gross huh and I never got into it right [TS]

00:12:56   I did not [TS]

00:12:57   that whole resale of things I just [TS]

00:12:59   didn't have any interest in if it wasn't [TS]

00:13:01   my size and if I wasn't gonna wear it [TS]

00:13:03   personally I had no it's nice lifestyle [TS]

00:13:05   job though cuz I think about my daughter [TS]

00:13:07   who loves all these different brands of [TS]

00:13:09   little crappy tiny plastic toys and [TS]

00:13:11   each one when you get these crappy toys [TS]

00:13:13   there's very many many varieties of [TS]

00:13:14   these but they each come with like a [TS]

00:13:16   sheet sort of like when you get tops [TS]

00:13:18   baseball cards I'm going to show you [TS]

00:13:19   like which which sometimes you get a [TS]

00:13:20   card in there it's a meta card of what [TS]

00:13:22   cards to collect and oh oh this [TS]

00:13:24   particular little lip balm cover it [TS]

00:13:26   looks like a hat is a is like a pretty [TS]

00:13:29   normal one this one's like a super rare [TS]

00:13:30   I was like well you seem to get a super [TS]

00:13:32   rare every time we buy these are you [TS]

00:13:34   sure that that's not super rare but that [TS]

00:13:36   was your phone like you know how to get [TS]

00:13:38   the right pokemons and whatnot and like [TS]

00:13:40   you can find a way to turn those other [TS]

00:13:41   people's pants into a business if you [TS]

00:13:43   buy a tootsie roll with our tootsie roll [TS]

00:13:45   pop with an Indian on it shooting an [TS]

00:13:47   arrow at a star you get a free one I've [TS]

00:13:49   heard that or something no roll pop huh [TS]

00:13:54   I used to collect those wrappers because [TS]

00:13:58   they had because you'd find the one with [TS]

00:14:00   the Indian with the star arm they [TS]

00:14:01   weren't that rare and I never traded one [TS]

00:14:02   in for a free one but that's how you [TS]

00:14:04   could save your fingernail clippings and [TS]

00:14:06   solid SD water you remember that I do [TS]

00:14:08   not remember that mm-hmm saving the top [TS]

00:14:12   from a pop top like that that's like [TS]

00:14:13   super aluminum or something you get [TS]

00:14:15   extra money for super aluminum school [TS]

00:14:19   like our school God God God bless the [TS]

00:14:21   hard-working people at our school and [TS]

00:14:23   and the people who dozens of years ago [TS]

00:14:25   came up with these really terrible ideas [TS]

00:14:27   for raising money and can they continue [TS]

00:14:29   to do them today to bring in oh you [TS]

00:14:32   bring in your your label tops from [TS]

00:14:34   cereal and we'll make like half hold [TS]

00:14:39   this garbage at your house until you [TS]

00:14:41   bring it to our house you know she could [TS]

00:14:42   do you bring the super aluminum from the [TS]

00:14:44   top of your pop top so we treat those [TS]

00:14:50   well so a good thing about Meighan was [TS]

00:14:53   that she hurt her raven hair girl you're [TS]

00:15:01   with for a while that's not her [TS]

00:15:02   she was raven haired mm-hmm did we go to [TS]

00:15:04   dinner one time it's different [TS]

00:15:06   it's like that's her name I never met [TS]

00:15:11   her she's just she's just a mythical [TS]

00:15:14   character she's just in the pantheon for [TS]

00:15:16   me completely a mythic gold Kelly I [TS]

00:15:18   still think about it [TS]

00:15:23   did I tell you I told you I tried to get [TS]

00:15:26   my daughter on that and she wouldn't she [TS]

00:15:28   didn't buy it because the the way the [TS]

00:15:30   story goes and John Syracuse it reminds [TS]

00:15:31   me that I'm remembering this story wrong [TS]

00:15:33   but your story is what was is your is [TS]

00:15:35   your good buddy from Alaska right well [TS]

00:15:37   it was it was tell the story again cuz [TS]

00:15:40   it's been a long time I refer to it a [TS]

00:15:42   lot and it'll help me tell this it'll [TS]

00:15:44   come back welcome back to the pants in a [TS]

00:15:45   minute but tell me tell me the story [TS]

00:15:47   wasn't Mike I want to sell no no Eric [TS]

00:15:49   Eric okay and and so and Jonna siracusa [TS]

00:15:53   remembers this story you told as being [TS]

00:15:55   like it was an important like end of [TS]

00:15:57   high school end of an era kind of thing [TS]

00:15:59   and you guys were parting ways and he [TS]

00:16:01   had he had a message for you know how do [TS]

00:16:03   you remember it I just remember it as [TS]

00:16:05   your friend who in my head I know it's [TS]

00:16:07   not Mike Squires but it feels like a [TS]

00:16:08   very Mike Squires thing to do it might [TS]

00:16:10   the story is you and you and your buddy [TS]

00:16:12   are out your buddy goes to a drinking [TS]

00:16:13   fountain gets a drink of water and then [TS]

00:16:15   he says to you from now on for the rest [TS]

00:16:16   of your life every time you take a drink [TS]

00:16:19   from a water fountain I want you to [TS]

00:16:20   think of me that's the way I remember it [TS]

00:16:23   that that that is how it happened but [TS]

00:16:25   it's um and the rub is you told me that [TS]

00:16:29   story and now in my broken brain every [TS]

00:16:33   time I drink from a water fountain which [TS]

00:16:35   is not that often but now which makes it [TS]

00:16:37   even more acute is every time I stick a [TS]

00:16:40   drink of water from a water fountain I [TS]

00:16:41   think of you remembering your friend [TS]

00:16:44   whom I've never met so that's on me now [TS]

00:16:46   so that the story was Eric Spurlock okay [TS]

00:16:52   was a guy who moved to Alaska with his [TS]

00:16:56   his parents after he was already a [TS]

00:17:01   teenager they they live they live back [TS]

00:17:03   east in upstate New York in like Geneseo [TS]

00:17:06   New York and they moved to Alaska [TS]

00:17:08   because Eric's dad's brother lived up [TS]

00:17:10   there already or whatever and Eric's [TS]

00:17:13   Eric's cousin was a guy named John what [TS]

00:17:21   the hell was his last name John was like [TS]

00:17:24   the year ahead of me okay and John was [TS]

00:17:27   the funny guy in school [TS]

00:17:29   the guy that uh oh fuck his name I just [TS]

00:17:32   it just passed god that's so frustrating [TS]

00:17:34   John [TS]

00:17:35   was was Adriano gold goldsmith John was [TS]

00:17:39   one year older than me and he was the [TS]

00:17:41   funny guy in the senior class when I was [TS]

00:17:42   a junior the funny guy in the class [TS]

00:17:46   clown and cut-up he's legit made people [TS]

00:17:47   laugh he was the funny guy and he had a [TS]

00:17:50   pockmarked face like he was never gonna [TS]

00:17:52   be one of the handsome guys and he was [TS]

00:17:56   just he was just viciously funny and and [TS]

00:18:00   and awful right I mean he was he was [TS]

00:18:03   scary he was a he was he was a bully [TS]

00:18:07   well he's fast at knowing where to go [TS]

00:18:10   right he was super fast and the thing is [TS]

00:18:12   that you know despite because in Alaska [TS]

00:18:14   it's kind of cut cutthroat a little bit [TS]

00:18:17   and no oh jon-jerale [TS]

00:18:19   jon-jerale nobody could get jon-jerale [TS]

00:18:22   nobody backed jon-jerale and into a [TS]

00:18:24   corner nothing right I mean you couldn't [TS]

00:18:26   you couldn't you couldn't like rich [TS]

00:18:29   clothes shame him you couldn't like [TS]

00:18:33   classic a classic maybe not not to say [TS]

00:18:36   these an unattractive man but like the [TS]

00:18:37   kid and in my case felt a little bullied [TS]

00:18:39   sometimes that's where the humor comes [TS]

00:18:41   from it comes from this deflection and [TS]

00:18:42   being ill that becomes your strength yes [TS]

00:18:44   sir he absolutely and that was how I [TS]

00:18:46   felt right I was chubby and I was I was [TS]

00:18:50   sears we'll call you husky husky I was [TS]

00:18:53   universally considered a dork you know I [TS]

00:18:56   was I was a year younger than everybody [TS]

00:18:58   else because my parents put me in [TS]

00:19:02   kindergarten when I was four and so I [TS]

00:19:04   was just a dork I couldn't grow a [TS]

00:19:06   mustache I didn't I was just sort of [TS]

00:19:08   like really was and scallop I just [TS]

00:19:15   looked like a scalpel so unfinished and [TS]

00:19:17   my mom kept cutting my hair until I [TS]

00:19:19   absolutely pushed her hand away one time [TS]

00:19:22   like yeah I went to school just hidden [TS]

00:19:32   this is worse than a principled Ohioan [TS]

00:19:35   she was so principled and so watching [TS]

00:19:39   jon-jerale just be like just like watch [TS]

00:19:41   on people I really did admire him but I [TS]

00:19:46   also was terrified of him and [TS]

00:19:48   he never gave me any praise or [TS]

00:19:50   acknowledgement he was always he saw me [TS]

00:19:52   as a holding he was and he saw me not as [TS]

00:19:55   a even a comer but just like you know [TS]

00:19:57   right get away from me scallop like the [TS]

00:19:59   last thing I need is a bunch of fanboys [TS]

00:20:01   I was like a bunch of fanboys I'm your [TS]

00:20:03   only fan boy yeah he was just like dick [TS]

00:20:05   and everything I you know I wanted to do [TS]

00:20:08   he he kind of did before me like he [TS]

00:20:10   wanted to be a DJ a radio DJ and that's [TS]

00:20:13   what I wanted to be he got a job at a [TS]

00:20:16   radio station his junior year house it's [TS]

00:20:18   coming back to me yeah you know as a [TS]

00:20:20   sophomore I was just like Chuck girls [TS]

00:20:22   we're getting a radio station like me - [TS]

00:20:23   would be President and then one time [TS]

00:20:26   right there I'm like our president it [TS]

00:20:29   was our president one time jon-jerale [TS]

00:20:32   I remember the day I actually remember [TS]

00:20:34   the moment and where I was standing in [TS]

00:20:35   the high school where I work it was a [TS]

00:20:37   group of people standing around he was a [TS]

00:20:38   senior by then I was a junior which is [TS]

00:20:41   when I really kind of came into my world [TS]

00:20:42   and I said something to a group of [TS]

00:20:45   people and John turned and he was like [TS]

00:20:46   huh that was I was pretty good and I was [TS]

00:20:50   just like the crown has passed mm-hmm [TS]

00:20:53   boom but anyway Spurlock was John [TS]

00:20:57   Gerald's cousin and he was my age and it [TS]

00:20:59   kind of looked like John but even kind [TS]

00:21:02   of more dorky John had a pock pockmarked [TS]

00:21:05   face but not but he wasn't unhandsome [TS]

00:21:08   eric was just sort of like me kind of [TS]

00:21:10   unformed a guy that was gonna be an [TS]

00:21:12   attractive man but not a very attractive [TS]

00:21:15   teen that's how it works [TS]

00:21:16   eric was also very funny but he was [TS]

00:21:21   coming from outside he was coming from [TS]

00:21:23   New York [TS]

00:21:24   and he really strongly strongly felt [TS]

00:21:28   that Alaska was something he didn't he [TS]

00:21:32   couldn't penetrate like he just was [TS]

00:21:35   never gonna be Alaskan and he felt it [TS]

00:21:39   really acutely right you could just feel [TS]

00:21:41   that he was the insecurity of not [TS]

00:21:44   understanding what all the rules were [TS]

00:21:46   and not getting the inside you know not [TS]

00:21:50   comprehending it but he's super funny [TS]

00:21:53   and he became a very close member of our [TS]

00:21:55   of our group but he never accepted [TS]

00:21:58   entirely how close he was to us [TS]

00:22:01   we all thought he was integral and he [TS]

00:22:06   always couldn't let that be he he always [TS]

00:22:09   felt outside and at the end of high [TS]

00:22:12   school we were we were all kind of at [TS]

00:22:18   that point in time like yes sure going [TS]

00:22:20   off to college but Alaska was all we [TS]

00:22:23   knew and we we all assumed we would go [TS]

00:22:28   to college and then come back to Alaska [TS]

00:22:29   that was that was the whole universe [TS]

00:22:31   there I don't think it occurred to any [TS]

00:22:34   one of us that we would ever live [TS]

00:22:35   outside of Alaska we were going off to [TS]

00:22:38   college yeah but we were coming back and [TS]

00:22:42   we're whatever big plans you've got for [TS]

00:22:44   the long long future they end up you [TS]

00:22:47   know very much not nearly as important [TS]

00:22:50   it's like what that next thing is [TS]

00:22:52   like the college thing is a big thing [TS]

00:22:53   that's a good step going to college but [TS]

00:22:56   then at Christmas time we'll be back [TS]

00:22:57   here to compare notes and then you know [TS]

00:22:59   what we're gonna do we're gonna graduate [TS]

00:23:01   we're gonna be in college cotillion [TS]

00:23:02   mm-hmm not high school Kentucky moc yeah [TS]

00:23:06   and so Jim McNeal who was from Arkansas [TS]

00:23:11   but Jim always felt very much part of [TS]

00:23:13   Alaska because Jim igneel didn't have [TS]

00:23:15   insecurities Jim Jim even spoke with a [TS]

00:23:19   southern accent but in Alaska that's [TS]

00:23:20   just an advantage he was out of Arkansas [TS]

00:23:23   accent thick one but he was just like [TS]

00:23:24   I'm from Alaska what are you talking [TS]

00:23:26   about and Eric and I were walking in the [TS]

00:23:29   Sears Mall and we stopped to go to the [TS]

00:23:30   bathroom and there was a drinking [TS]

00:23:32   fountain and we stopped to get a drink [TS]

00:23:33   of water and Eric had just a few minutes [TS]

00:23:36   before we had this great reveal this he [TS]

00:23:40   dropped this bomb which was we're moving [TS]

00:23:44   my folks are leaving Alaska home on [TS]

00:23:47   they'd only been there for three years [TS]

00:23:48   and this is how you tell me is he [TS]

00:23:51   telling them all this is how you tell me [TS]

00:23:53   right and his father bought the his [TS]

00:23:56   father came up to Alaska he to I guess [TS]

00:24:00   start over I don't know why you would do [TS]

00:24:03   this but he came up and bought a bakery [TS]

00:24:09   and the bakery was for sale [TS]

00:24:14   because it had formerly been owned by [TS]

00:24:17   Robert Hanssen who was the Alaska Baker [TS]

00:24:20   who would who would kidnap prostitutes [TS]

00:24:25   put them in his airplane take them up to [TS]

00:24:27   his take them up to wilderness locations [TS]

00:24:31   set them free and then hunt them hmm [TS]

00:24:35   there's a there's a movie made about him [TS]

00:24:38   Robert Hanssen yeah it's a terrible [TS]

00:24:40   movie butcher baker right but he would [TS]

00:24:43   like he would yeah he would like the [TS]

00:24:47   greatest game or whatever like set them [TS]

00:24:48   loose and most dangerous game right and [TS]

00:24:53   so Hanson had just been caught mm-hmm [TS]

00:24:57   like that year and all of a sudden his [TS]

00:25:00   bakery was like for sale oh now you're [TS]

00:25:02   gonna want to burn a lot of sage in that [TS]

00:25:04   place and Eric Spurlock's dad came up [TS]

00:25:07   and bought the bakery so all of a sudden [TS]

00:25:09   we're like did they disclose something [TS]

00:25:11   like that is that something where [TS]

00:25:12   they've got to let you know I think so I [TS]

00:25:14   mean I think I think there was a lot of [TS]

00:25:16   like wow why is that bakery so cheap [TS]

00:25:18   yeah and and and my understanding of the [TS]

00:25:20   story is that he did not use the bakery [TS]

00:25:22   as a as part of his thing it was just [TS]

00:25:24   for work that was where you went to work [TS]

00:25:26   yeah but you know one of those things [TS]

00:25:28   that a lot of people didn't have in high [TS]

00:25:30   school but I did was a friend whose dad [TS]

00:25:32   owned a bakery so he were like we could [TS]

00:25:35   as we were driving around town I was [TS]

00:25:36   like oh let's let's uh swing into [TS]

00:25:38   Spurlock's bakery go in there and get [TS]

00:25:40   some big bakery things pretty pretty [TS]

00:25:44   cool mm-hmm [TS]

00:25:45   so Eric says yeah we're moving and and [TS]

00:25:49   my reaction was like we can't move like [TS]

00:25:53   he made it you made it all the way [TS]

00:25:55   through high school you can make it well [TS]

00:25:56   you're an Alaskan like what do you mean [TS]

00:25:58   you're moving and he was like yeah we're [TS]

00:26:00   going back to New York [TS]

00:26:01   and then he drops this verse down I'm [TS]

00:26:04   drinking water and he like standing by I [TS]

00:26:07   mean he goes every time you see that [TS]

00:26:09   that the writing on the train at the [TS]

00:26:13   bottom of the water family I want you to [TS]

00:26:16   think of me oh man I was like I hate how [TS]

00:26:20   effective that is Wow Wow and you know [TS]

00:26:24   of course there it is it lives in infamy [TS]

00:26:26   it's [TS]

00:26:26   so it's so good because if you're doing [TS]

00:26:29   to somebody who's really suggestible [TS]

00:26:30   like I am it's really good because it's [TS]

00:26:33   also one of those things where how are [TS]

00:26:35   you gonna like prevent that if it does [TS]

00:26:37   start to drive you crazy and you can't [TS]

00:26:39   unthink the thought like what are you [TS]

00:26:41   gonna do is the whole point of a thing [TS]

00:26:43   like that is it doesn't happen often [TS]

00:26:44   enough that you'd like get used to it [TS]

00:26:45   and you know be able to kind of ride it [TS]

00:26:47   off it's like ah it would be like from [TS]

00:26:49   now on every time you see a urinal cake [TS]

00:26:51   I want you to think of me like you would [TS]

00:26:52   like you wouldn't even see it coming [TS]

00:26:53   how do you reprogram yourself from [TS]

00:26:55   something I don't know but I need to [TS]

00:26:57   find out cuz I'm very vulnerable well [TS]

00:26:59   and you're absolutely right like you [TS]

00:27:02   don't see it isn't like saying every [TS]

00:27:04   time you drink water right that would be [TS]

00:27:06   just that would be too much and that [TS]

00:27:08   would it wouldn't work yeah yeah I mean [TS]

00:27:09   it's like gambling paying off [TS]

00:27:10   periodically like the way it would [TS]

00:27:12   really get in your brain is Oh God [TS]

00:27:14   see now I'm gonna think about urinals no [TS]

00:27:16   now I'm gonna think about this episode [TS]

00:27:17   well every time I see a urinal cake you [TS]

00:27:19   don't see your own cakes as you used to [TS]

00:27:21   if you worked in an office where there [TS]

00:27:23   was a urinal cake in the urinal yeah [TS]

00:27:25   nothing like that could could work [TS]

00:27:27   because you use it three times a day and [TS]

00:27:29   you'd see the urinal cake like you're [TS]

00:27:30   saying it wouldn't it wouldn't stick but [TS]

00:27:32   somebody wear it out somebody like you [TS]

00:27:35   or me where where if the number of times [TS]

00:27:38   we use a public urinal is somewhat [TS]

00:27:40   limited and then yeah like you say there [TS]

00:27:42   aren't urinal cakes anymore for those [TS]

00:27:43   listeners who don't know what a urinal [TS]

00:27:45   cake is I'm sure there are zones well if [TS]

00:27:48   you know baked goods you know about [TS]

00:27:49   Hanson's bakery you can know about [TS]

00:27:51   Anchorage yeah so this is a thing where [TS]

00:27:57   you get this I don't know what it's made [TS]

00:27:59   of but I don't know it's almost like a [TS]

00:28:01   bar of soap yeah kind of wax waxy foamy [TS]

00:28:05   off in pink and it sits at the bottom of [TS]

00:28:08   the urinal and I think its purpose is to [TS]

00:28:11   make it smell less like urine and then [TS]

00:28:13   people urinate on it and ironically [TS]

00:28:15   enough I think that releases some of the [TS]

00:28:18   urine cakes powers and the smell of a [TS]

00:28:21   urine cake is distinctive so and it's [TS]

00:28:23   not unpleasant so that you very sweet [TS]

00:28:25   yeah it replaces the smell of urine with [TS]

00:28:28   this this other smell yeah yeah yeah but [TS]

00:28:32   I think part of the urine cake have you [TS]

00:28:34   have you been to a [TS]

00:28:36   like men's rooms in Europe no no [TS]

00:28:41   well European I've ever been on the [TS]

00:28:43   continent no never been on the continent [TS]

00:28:45   my bent - I've been tingling that's it [TS]

00:28:47   England well and they I'm not sure they [TS]

00:28:49   have them there but I think they'll sit [TS]

00:28:51   down there I think yeah I think the UK [TS]

00:28:54   that's an entire like island of sitters [TS]

00:28:56   but they don't I don't think they use [TS]

00:28:59   they might but there's a the the [TS]

00:29:01   universal universally popular urinal [TS]

00:29:04   manufacturers in Europe have now put in [TS]

00:29:10   their urinals a little painting like [TS]

00:29:15   they put a fly in there something of a [TS]

00:29:16   fly or a bee or a little thing to aim at [TS]

00:29:20   that's that's never centered it's always [TS]

00:29:22   to the side you must physics physics [TS]

00:29:25   yeah in a spot that will reduce splatter [TS]

00:29:28   mm-hmm and if you stand there and pee on [TS]

00:29:31   the B or pee on the fly it will it's [TS]

00:29:35   like I have to assume maximum efficiency [TS]

00:29:38   of the of the urinal yeah and I have [TS]

00:29:40   found it impossible to not pee on the [TS]

00:29:43   fly you would have a B you would have to [TS]

00:29:45   be such an iconoclast he would have to [TS]

00:29:49   be make a point of saying I am currently [TS]

00:29:51   not peeing on a fly because that's a [TS]

00:29:52   thing that I'm doing [TS]

00:29:53   you would have to hopefully sick cuz [TS]

00:29:55   your mind what's the pee on that fly so [TS]

00:29:56   hard no you don't get any coupons or [TS]

00:29:59   anything out of it but like it's a sense [TS]

00:30:01   it's a sense of achievement I hit the [TS]

00:30:02   fly with my pee the thing is you would [TS]

00:30:04   have to be stronger than that because [TS]

00:30:06   I'm the type of person that would go to [TS]

00:30:08   a urinal and say like I'm not gonna pee [TS]

00:30:10   on the floor I mean that's the type of [TS]

00:30:12   thing I would do sure but I can't I'm [TS]

00:30:14   powerless against that fly I know I know [TS]

00:30:16   because it's otherwise it's just a big [TS]

00:30:18   white emptiness it's a it's a it's a [TS]

00:30:21   bowl of it's an infinite bowl I would [TS]

00:30:23   like more things like that in life I [TS]

00:30:24   would like more things where you don't [TS]

00:30:27   need to necessarily have instructions or [TS]

00:30:29   tutorial you don't need to take an [TS]

00:30:30   extension class but I would like more [TS]

00:30:32   I'm gonna call it hinting more like [TS]

00:30:34   hinting at like okay you know what this [TS]

00:30:36   is gonna go well we put a thing in here [TS]

00:30:37   that's not a real fly you don't have to [TS]

00:30:39   feel bad mmm-hmm we're being flyest [TS]

00:30:40   that's an image of a fly that you that [TS]

00:30:43   we're just gonna put this here and we [TS]

00:30:45   find that people will hit it with their [TS]

00:30:46   pee and you don't get a bank shot you [TS]

00:30:48   know it's not like going straight up [TS]

00:30:49   against [TS]

00:30:50   you know in a really brightly lit room [TS]

00:30:52   what one may not realize I don't want to [TS]

00:30:53   be too graphic here I think most people [TS]

00:30:55   don't realize how much spotter there is [TS]

00:30:56   with P noise there's more spotter than [TS]

00:30:59   you would imagine especially if you're [TS]

00:31:00   wearing khaki pants and this is a thing [TS]

00:31:02   that they solved a problem yeah they [TS]

00:31:04   probably they probably have saw they [TS]

00:31:06   probably saved let's say conservatively [TS]

00:31:09   a hundred billion man-hours of cleaning [TS]

00:31:13   and the shame you know but the thing is [TS]

00:31:17   they should do freakonomics should do [TS]

00:31:18   like a whole episode on this because you [TS]

00:31:20   think about this first of all less [TS]

00:31:21   stress let's just start with the [TS]

00:31:23   beginning you're not gonna get your [TS]

00:31:24   khaki pants I'll cover with splatter [TS]

00:31:25   that's good right now right you're also [TS]

00:31:27   gonna waste the more productivity you [TS]

00:31:29   last time spent trying to dab dab dab to [TS]

00:31:32   get PP off of off of your pants also you [TS]

00:31:34   know what less money spent on laundering [TS]

00:31:36   now that might have a knock-on effect [TS]

00:31:37   mmm for the be laundering industry [TS]

00:31:39   that's good for everybody you ready for [TS]

00:31:40   this one less splatter on the floor [TS]

00:31:42   let's need to overtly send in janitor [TS]

00:31:44   man to come in and clean them the [TS]

00:31:45   splatter it's good for everybody you put [TS]

00:31:48   a fly in there they say art isn't useful [TS]

00:31:49   it's very useful you put a fly in a [TS]

00:31:51   urinal I feel like well first of all in [TS]

00:31:54   Europe I feel like the bee is more [TS]

00:31:56   popular than the fly oh because the fly [TS]

00:32:00   conveys dirtiness right it's a fly in [TS]

00:32:04   your bathroom that's not what you want [TS]

00:32:05   oh I see I see yep yep yep yep apply is [TS]

00:32:08   gross but uh this is probably [TS]

00:32:09   evolutionary psychology on some level at [TS]

00:32:12   least a couple ways so you think if you [TS]

00:32:14   could if you were out in the world just [TS]

00:32:16   sort of peeing in the gravel and there [TS]

00:32:18   was an opportunity to pee on a bee well [TS]

00:32:20   I peed it moves wouldn't you do it I [TS]

00:32:23   mean there's ants I'd follow it along I [TS]

00:32:25   mean I it's you got to do that that's [TS]

00:32:27   just it's in your brain but it gives you [TS]

00:32:30   that sense of accomplishment like I've [TS]

00:32:32   been I just peed on that B for a long [TS]

00:32:34   time but but I do feel I I hear what [TS]

00:32:40   you're saying and I agree and I'm [TS]

00:32:41   thinking like what are the what are the [TS]

00:32:42   other what are the analogues to this [TS]

00:32:44   like like if you paint lines on a [TS]

00:32:47   highway right that's all that's also [TS]

00:32:49   just I think give you some examples of [TS]

00:32:53   this one example that comes up for me [TS]

00:32:56   several times a year is that I will see [TS]

00:32:59   an occurrence of a three-digit number [TS]

00:33:02   and that was my laundry number [TS]

00:33:04   when I was in military school which [TS]

00:33:06   meant that every single item that I [TS]

00:33:07   owned with a sharpie or with a white [TS]

00:33:10   laundry marker every single item that I [TS]

00:33:12   owned had this three digit number on it [TS]

00:33:15   and it basically equalled me like for [TS]

00:33:17   practical purposes it was almost like a [TS]

00:33:18   serial number [TS]

00:33:19   it was technicals laundry number but [TS]

00:33:21   I'll cement that if I ever lost anything [TS]

00:33:22   he would have that three digit number on [TS]

00:33:24   it and it would return to me because you [TS]

00:33:25   would even know what everybody else's [TS]

00:33:27   number was all right so now whenever I [TS]

00:33:30   see that three-digit number in the wild [TS]

00:33:32   of course the very first thing I think [TS]

00:33:34   of is that hey that's weird that's my [TS]

00:33:37   laundry number well what was your [TS]

00:33:38   laundry I don't know I mean should I say [TS]

00:33:40   for OPSEC reasons it's 207 I don't want [TS]

00:33:43   people I don't people trolling me about [TS]

00:33:44   it but um like that or like my PO Box [TS]

00:33:46   and College was 289 and so you know I'm [TS]

00:33:49   just this is just a random example but [TS]

00:33:51   those are kinds of things where that's [TS]

00:33:52   just digits that doesn't mean anything [TS]

00:33:54   we imbue these digits you know you get a [TS]

00:33:56   420 or 69 nice like or you get you know [TS]

00:33:59   you got a lucky number like a like a 37 [TS]

00:34:01   right mm-hmm and then you start noticing [TS]

00:34:04   that but I think it has to be that kind [TS]

00:34:06   of thing it can't be oh I saw a number [TS]

00:34:08   that wouldn't work it's got to be [TS]

00:34:10   something that appears somewhat randomly [TS]

00:34:12   like unto a water fountain right a [TS]

00:34:15   payphone [TS]

00:34:16   the rapidly disappearing payphone yeah [TS]

00:34:18   the payphones are gone now the other day [TS]

00:34:24   nobody's having a good day when they're [TS]

00:34:26   using a pencil and I and that's actually [TS]

00:34:29   been true for a while yes to these when [TS]

00:34:32   they were still kind of pick on dirty [TS]

00:34:34   this thing sorry to put that on your [TS]

00:34:36   face [TS]

00:34:36   well I mean we all did it for decades [TS]

00:34:39   think about that mouthpiece think about [TS]

00:34:41   how many mouths have been right there [TS]

00:34:42   well just you know think about I mean [TS]

00:34:44   huh what at what age did you stop [TS]

00:34:46   sucking on quarters stop sucking on [TS]

00:34:49   course I'd say sometime between 3 and 11 [TS]

00:34:51   yeah yeah but sucking on a quarter well [TS]

00:34:54   yeah I know I know I know and my [TS]

00:34:56   daughter loves like like my god like me [TS]

00:34:57   I think you've talked about this too I [TS]

00:34:59   used to love collecting change and [TS]

00:35:01   rolling it up and just playing with it [TS]

00:35:03   and acting like that was in monopoly man [TS]

00:35:05   like running my hands through it smell [TS]

00:35:07   your hands smell my hands after you [TS]

00:35:09   played with money all right it's not a [TS]

00:35:11   nice smell oh it's a something smell [TS]

00:35:13   yeah [TS]

00:35:15   it smells like blood yes there's no [TS]

00:35:17   you're right you're right yeah yeah [TS]

00:35:18   absolutely bloody smell well you know [TS]

00:35:20   they say every hundred dollar bill in [TS]

00:35:21   America is got cocaine residue that's [TS]

00:35:24   what they say [TS]

00:35:24   boss skanks they also say that you happy [TS]

00:35:27   if you collect a tootsie roll pop with [TS]

00:35:29   an indian and shooting a star it's the [TS]

00:35:31   show art for this week already [TS]

00:35:32   uh-huh got it right here apparently [TS]

00:35:35   turns out you don't get frequency puffs [TS]

00:35:37   from it it's there's many many Indians [TS]

00:35:39   shooting stars and people have gotten [TS]

00:35:40   tattoos of it is a thing I just learned [TS]

00:35:42   right and it's some kind of I wonder you [TS]

00:35:44   know there's got to be a website that [TS]

00:35:47   deals with that kind of urban legend oh [TS]

00:35:49   no I just felt five yeah my sources [TS]

00:35:52   people here clicking because I'm working [TS]

00:35:54   on the program while we're doing that [TS]

00:35:56   yeah other things like that but I think [TS]

00:35:59   it needs to be some combination of [TS]

00:36:00   something very concrete it can't be as [TS]

00:36:02   general as like I say just the existence [TS]

00:36:05   of a number or the color blue or [TS]

00:36:06   something that it has to be something [TS]

00:36:08   that you don't have time to think about [TS]

00:36:11   processing that once you see it on some [TS]

00:36:14   kind of like um Subrosa level you're [TS]

00:36:18   processing that you oh that's that thing [TS]

00:36:20   and I'm thinking of Eric now Eric [TS]

00:36:22   Spurlock I feel like I feel like this is [TS]

00:36:25   one of the things that is going to make [TS]

00:36:28   it's gonna popularize AR and it's gonna [TS]

00:36:32   it's going to facilitate the transition [TS]

00:36:34   to AR because what well I think one of [TS]

00:36:38   the main main main first uses and maybe [TS]

00:36:42   primary uses of AR is going to be to [TS]

00:36:45   gamify regular life mmm game uh so [TS]

00:36:48   regular life yeah so like you know so [TS]

00:36:51   everything is gonna turn into there's a [TS]

00:36:53   little coins floating above your tasks [TS]

00:36:57   or coins floating above things in the [TS]

00:37:00   world you're gonna Mario over to there [TS]

00:37:01   and then you jump left left right contra [TS]

00:37:03   code you grab your you grab your your [TS]

00:37:04   grab a coin [TS]

00:37:06   you're not goes into your virtual purse [TS]

00:37:08   yes exactly and and that gamification [TS]

00:37:10   will be used by companies and you know [TS]

00:37:14   if they're smart by governments but [TS]

00:37:16   certainly by by companies get your [TS]

00:37:19   coffee somewhere and like you get [TS]

00:37:22   half off 20% off if you agree to watch a [TS]

00:37:25   15-second and that or as you're walking [TS]

00:37:28   through the mall companies will pay to [TS]

00:37:31   have gold coins floating over the front [TS]

00:37:33   of their store and you never would have [TS]

00:37:35   gone over to the Gucci store but you go [TS]

00:37:37   over there and click and clean collect [TS]

00:37:41   your coin and then you're standing in [TS]

00:37:43   front of the store you know or you have [TS]

00:37:45   to go inside the store to the store rack [TS]

00:37:47   to collect clean a version of that in [TS]

00:37:50   this neighborhood near my house over in [TS]

00:37:52   West Portal where once a year [TS]

00:37:54   many of the merchants participate in a [TS]

00:37:56   Where's Waldo [TS]

00:37:58   tournament so there's a cutout Waldo you [TS]

00:38:01   put the cutout Waldo somewhere in the [TS]

00:38:03   store and then you're supposed to go to [TS]

00:38:04   all the stores and find Waldo and then [TS]

00:38:06   you can turn that in for I don't know [TS]

00:38:07   significant prizes and coins [TS]

00:38:09   yeah significant prizes but if you think [TS]

00:38:12   about the things that we want people to [TS]

00:38:14   do right edge the attention economy [TS]

00:38:16   right it's not it's not as so obviously [TS]

00:38:18   we already want you to buy stuff that's [TS]

00:38:19   why there are ads thank you - hello [TS]

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00:39:32   because many different pieces they take [TS]

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00:39:44   have any more time than that now [TS]

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00:39:47   the recipes my lady friend tells me she [TS]

00:39:49   especially loves how the ingredients are [TS]

00:39:50   packaged and labeled it's so 88 proof [TS]

00:39:52   it's like it's like color coded it's [TS]

00:39:54   like they're animals for your food [TS]

00:39:55   they're just gonna have to run with that [TS]

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00:40:09   fresh all right thank Stella fresh for [TS]

00:40:11   supporting Roderick on the line and all [TS]

00:40:13   the great shows which is a kind of a [TS]

00:40:22   gold coin just in this case a gold coin [TS]

00:40:24   goes to president Zuckerberg Winklevoss [TS]

00:40:30   but I'm thinking about the other things [TS]

00:40:32   that we want people to do right like [TS]

00:40:34   during rush hour traffic now we're [TS]

00:40:35   talking about a thing we're talking bout [TS]

00:40:36   a time driving zipper merge we want you [TS]

00:40:42   to zipper merge stop doing that thing [TS]

00:40:43   where you going through early or too [TS]

00:40:44   late [TS]

00:40:44   zipper merge is what it's all about [TS]

00:40:45   that's it now we're going to be driving [TS]

00:40:47   at that point it's all gonna be a [TS]

00:40:50   driverless cars futurist cuz you did it [TS]

00:40:53   you took an eternity you jump you left [TS]

00:40:54   you left you took two assumptions and [TS]

00:40:56   two plus two x equals like seven you [TS]

00:40:59   just went to a whole other place [TS]

00:41:00   somebody told me the other day that [TS]

00:41:02   there's actually a master's degree in [TS]

00:41:05   futurism available at the university of [TS]

00:41:07   hawai and they said why are you not in [TS]

00:41:10   the master's program at the University [TS]

00:41:11   of Hawaii why are you why are you even [TS]

00:41:13   not there yeah and I was like there's a [TS]

00:41:16   lot of reasons that I'm not but you know [TS]

00:41:18   what I am a master's degree I don't like [TS]

00:41:20   the food there at the University of [TS]

00:41:22   Hawaii well just Hawaii in general it's [TS]

00:41:24   nothing against the good people of [TS]

00:41:25   Hawaii I'm so they really do not want me [TS]

00:41:27   to be there I don't I felt very [TS]

00:41:28   unwelcome and I felt like I should feel [TS]

00:41:30   very unwelcome there it's not a good [TS]

00:41:32   scene but the food I just I can't I [TS]

00:41:34   can't get with the food there I couldn't [TS]

00:41:35   do what master's program was that could [TS]

00:41:36   be two years and you got to write a [TS]

00:41:37   thesis got a very futuristic thesis yeah [TS]

00:41:40   probably [TS]

00:41:41   look you got a living a wife or two [TS]

00:41:43   years we're gonna semesters degree in [TS]

00:41:45   futurism I don't see why you can't do [TS]

00:41:47   that from your home you should [TS]

00:41:48   able to do that should be a cyber [TS]

00:41:49   University thing know what I mean your [TS]

00:41:52   watch but think about how we how people [TS]

00:41:56   will be controlled by this Spurlock Ian [TS]

00:41:59   like sync concept but by their own you [TS]

00:42:04   know by their own volition they'll [TS]

00:42:06   direct the Spurlock effect they'll be [TS]

00:42:09   out there being asked to to put put that [TS]

00:42:14   little bit of like dystopian game onto [TS]

00:42:18   all the things that they're doing these [TS]

00:42:20   little like oh well if you're over here [TS]

00:42:22   I want you to you know it but it's all [TS]

00:42:24   gonna be they're all gonna be it's gonna [TS]

00:42:25   be collecting in their in their virtual [TS]

00:42:29   reality account yes right their life [TS]

00:42:31   account their credit card like the [TS]

00:42:35   Minority Report movie and Facebook right [TS]

00:42:37   so again Minority Report which i think [TS]

00:42:39   is a very good movie this is thinking [TS]

00:42:41   about majority reported I haven't seen [TS]

00:42:43   it in a long time it's movie I think [TS]

00:42:44   about fairly often who owned there's one [TS]

00:42:46   one particular scene where Mission [TS]

00:42:49   Impossible guys was walking around [TS]

00:42:51   I've memory serves he's walking through [TS]

00:42:53   a public area Oh abs are talking the ads [TS]

00:42:56   are talking to him specifically [TS]

00:42:57   addressing him see I think you combined [TS]

00:43:00   something like that with you obviously [TS]

00:43:01   with a Facebook type thing [TS]

00:43:02   sure so they know lots of stuff about [TS]

00:43:06   you and then now I realize I'm not being [TS]

00:43:08   a true as for locking in futurist [TS]

00:43:09   because I haven't made the leaps that [TS]

00:43:11   you're late making but I bet in the near [TS]

00:43:12   term that's gonna be the case [TS]

00:43:13   it's kind of the case right now like [TS]

00:43:15   we're a few there's all these dingaling [TS]

00:43:17   apps where if you're not paying any [TS]

00:43:18   attention and you should be paying [TS]

00:43:19   attention and do you want to do location [TS]

00:43:21   do you want to do notifications do you [TS]

00:43:23   want to do beep-beep-beep-beep and like [TS]

00:43:24   a lot of times when you do that even [TS]

00:43:26   though it breaks the Terms of Service it [TS]

00:43:28   does lots of stuff to push you things [TS]

00:43:31   based on where you are or what you [TS]

00:43:32   haven't done for a while it is doing [TS]

00:43:34   that open your treasure chest from this [TS]

00:43:37   from this screen white face guy in app [TS]

00:43:42   purchase peas double-click to continue [TS]

00:43:45   and then you've agreed the terms in [TS]

00:43:47   service and now that yeah that's that's [TS]

00:43:49   your gold coin for now but you're saying [TS]

00:43:51   this could be a Mario type situation [TS]

00:43:52   well what what Minority Report this is [TS]

00:43:56   the great thing about the about science [TS]

00:43:58   fiction right they get it they get 80% [TS]

00:44:00   of it but they don't [TS]

00:44:01   they it's never really possible to see [TS]

00:44:03   so clearly like it when we were kids we [TS]

00:44:06   never would have imagined there wouldn't [TS]

00:44:07   be a NASA now the science the wonderful [TS]

00:44:11   science fiction movies I mean setting [TS]

00:44:12   aside the haha never got a jetpack stuff [TS]

00:44:14   but you think about how many science [TS]

00:44:16   fiction movies well so fancifully cover [TS]

00:44:20   the idea of like even hyperspace travel [TS]

00:44:23   this is a really obvious one but I think [TS]

00:44:25   that the one that everybody missed was [TS]

00:44:26   communications an amazing thing that [TS]

00:44:29   happen is communications there's so many [TS]

00:44:31   movies from the 70s 80s 90s that fall [TS]

00:44:33   apart if you have a wireless phone [TS]

00:44:35   uh-huh [TS]

00:44:36   it does not a plot anymore and now you [TS]

00:44:39   can look up a word on your phone while [TS]

00:44:41   you're at the cabin the the thing that [TS]

00:44:43   that Minority Report didn't get was that [TS]

00:44:47   VR was going to be personal individual [TS]

00:44:49   so that the plot point of that moment as [TS]

00:44:53   he's walking through this mall and all [TS]

00:44:54   the all the video ads are like hello [TS]

00:44:56   protagonist who's name is ringing out as [TS]

00:44:59   bad guy and he's like people can hear my [TS]

00:45:02   name but it will that will all just be [TS]

00:45:04   in your little heads-up display yeah all [TS]

00:45:06   that personalization fuck you asshole so [TS]

00:45:15   but what's gonna be fucked up about that [TS]

00:45:17   I think is that every person's this is [TS]

00:45:19   this will this will be playing to the [TS]

00:45:21   the intrinsic narcissism of modern [TS]

00:45:24   people every person will be experiencing [TS]

00:45:27   the world completely personalized and it [TS]

00:45:30   won't be very long it won't take very [TS]

00:45:32   long for us to believe that the world [TS]

00:45:35   actually does belong to oh my god in my [TS]

00:45:38   mind how different is it from going into [TS]

00:45:40   one of those massively multiplayer [TS]

00:45:41   massive games and you get to pick what [TS]

00:45:43   kind of cloak and sword and are you this [TS]

00:45:45   kind of hell for that kind of how far [TS]

00:45:46   yeah hi alpha or a wood elf like are you [TS]

00:45:49   you know what I mean and see like and [TS]

00:45:50   now maybe you see everybody else becomes [TS]

00:45:53   your own little deviantART well you [TS]

00:45:55   start thinking oh you know everybody [TS]

00:45:56   should look like a monkey or something [TS]

00:45:57   well every single store every single ad [TS]

00:45:59   every single thing would be for [TS]

00:46:03   everybody else parents man it's the same [TS]

00:46:06   Walmart that doesn't make any sense you [TS]

00:46:07   should have the lobby spoke a are [TS]

00:46:10   Walmart but but like most people's minds [TS]

00:46:13   are [TS]

00:46:14   not most people's minds are vulnerable [TS]

00:46:16   enough or lazy enough I guess that they [TS]

00:46:18   will not be who they will not be [TS]

00:46:21   thinking to themselves this is true for [TS]

00:46:24   everyone they're just gonna be just [TS]

00:46:26   bathing in the fact that they're hearing [TS]

00:46:28   their name spoken over and over and over [TS]

00:46:30   by everything yeah and it's gonna create [TS]

00:46:33   if we didn't think we already had a [TS]

00:46:35   nation of monsters it's going to that is [TS]

00:46:39   gonna be a technology that divides us [TS]

00:46:41   rather than unites so you give me much [TS]

00:46:43   to think about I think you should be [TS]

00:46:44   teaching in Hawaii I teach you know what [TS]

00:46:47   I'm teaching in virtual Hawaii professor [TS]

00:46:57   John turn up your brass valves to to psi [TS]

00:47:05   Broderick you think you have a steampunk [TS]

00:47:09   virtual class i we were we were trying [TS]

00:47:12   to we the Jules Verne desk it's like you [TS]

00:47:15   covered wood we're doing a photo shoot [TS]

00:47:18   the other day Ken Jennings and I and we [TS]

00:47:21   were trying to communicate futurism [TS]

00:47:25   without without using steampunk yeah we [TS]

00:47:36   determine that it's goggles you cannot [TS]

00:47:39   communicate anymore the future without [TS]

00:47:41   without Jules Bernie and so we're there [TS]

00:47:45   and it's just like no goggles and then [TS]

00:47:47   Ken just slowly starts putting these [TS]

00:47:48   goggles on and I'm like no goggles and [TS]

00:47:50   the goggles just go on you kept out we [TS]

00:47:52   were in a lab coat so way absolutely lab [TS]

00:47:55   coat this is like what can you do you [TS]

00:47:57   can't fight it may be holding bloody [TS]

00:48:00   baby dolls like the Beatles yesterday [TS]

00:48:02   and today or or her again the the the [TS]

00:48:05   dance the dancing scenes from Buck [TS]

00:48:07   Rogers the television show mmm that's a [TS]

00:48:11   warm fuzzy I keep I keep wanting to I [TS]

00:48:13   should go on YouTube it's like Audrey on [TS]

00:48:15   a gold Schmiedt mm-hmm [TS]

00:48:17   for years I've been saying funny it's [TS]

00:48:20   still it's still don't jump ahead but [TS]

00:48:21   isn't that funny it's still there I have [TS]

00:48:23   an entire text file called mystery [TS]

00:48:25   something that's called mystery memories [TS]

00:48:27   and it's all things I remember that are [TS]

00:48:29   very weird that I mean some of its stuff [TS]

00:48:32   as quotidian as like ancient Chinese [TS]

00:48:34   secret it's done like that remember I [TS]

00:48:37   had one time my clothes nation oh it's [TS]

00:48:42   kind of kind of obscure once I was [TS]

00:48:44   driving around went on Colerain Avenue [TS]

00:48:46   with my grandmother and I thought a [TS]

00:48:47   water tower look like a baseball [TS]

00:48:48   baseball mitt and I still think about it [TS]

00:48:50   today sliced tomatoes so thin your [TS]

00:48:52   mother-in-law will never come back big [TS]

00:48:55   Griz today at the plate speed whenever [TS]

00:48:57   has a second cup of my coffee [TS]

00:48:59   uh-huh ancient Chinese secret huh I had [TS]

00:49:02   a I had a little text file on my phone [TS]

00:49:05   [Music] [TS]

00:49:08   about the Bionic Woman doll Steve Austin [TS]

00:49:13   they put out Oscar Oscar gold Gulch Mead [TS]

00:49:16   and those it was like a little thumb [TS]

00:49:18   button in the back right I think so but [TS]

00:49:20   this yeah all I know is the song starts [TS]

00:49:22   Jaime Sommers all day all night Marianne [TS]

00:49:36   I still have that in my head [TS]

00:49:37   that was a commercial for the first date [TS]

00:49:42   to all of these is it's so of all of [TS]

00:49:45   these are so many of these is setting us [TS]

00:49:47   up my hallucinations from when I was [TS]

00:49:48   eight there are so many things in here I [TS]

00:49:50   could go on YouTube and I could probably [TS]

00:49:52   find it and never occurs to me to go [TS]

00:49:54   find the gravy train or chuck wagon ad I [TS]

00:49:55   should go find that wouldn't remember [TS]

00:49:57   when the little cover wagon the [TS]

00:49:58   Conestoga wagon goes under the rug the [TS]

00:50:00   dogs confused that was the world that I [TS]

00:50:02   wanted to live in a little mini chuck [TS]

00:50:04   wagon world where that where underneath [TS]

00:50:06   the sink there was like a whole cowboy [TS]

00:50:08   universe why do only people in [TS]

00:50:12   commercials get that well and the thing [TS]

00:50:15   is that the only person that ever saw [TS]

00:50:16   that was the dog I know [TS]

00:50:17   wasn't that tragic yeah bit like so you [TS]

00:50:22   could go here's cash Amburgey catches [TS]

00:50:24   big barking bar [TS]

00:50:25   south Lebanon Ohio [TS]

00:50:27   follow the cars fallen science the cash [TS]

00:50:30   is big bargain barn in south Lebanon [TS]

00:50:32   Ohio anyway [TS]

00:50:36   you there uh yeah I just I'm sorry I [TS]

00:50:39   thought I thought I finally ended the [TS]

00:50:41   podcast I definitely have a text file of [TS]

00:50:47   like weird memories that aren't related [TS]

00:50:50   to commercials but like those memories [TS]

00:50:52   where you think I've got to write this [TS]

00:50:56   down because this is such a powerful [TS]

00:50:58   every time you think it it's emotional [TS]

00:51:00   memory every time you three experience [TS]

00:51:02   it gets more faded but more edited like [TS]

00:51:05   you've got to like capture the pure [TS]

00:51:06   memory when it comes to you when I read [TS]

00:51:09   them now even the ones that I wrote [TS]

00:51:11   fairly recently like in the last couple [TS]

00:51:13   of years like oh shit I've got to put [TS]

00:51:14   this down I read it now and it just [TS]

00:51:16   doesn't I didn't write it well enough or [TS]

00:51:20   something and I just and the and the [TS]

00:51:22   memory is kind of lost by trying to [TS]

00:51:24   capture it the sense impression it's [TS]

00:51:26   like trying to remember a dream like [TS]

00:51:28   it's like saying through your fingers [TS]

00:51:29   the harder you try the faster it goes [TS]

00:51:30   away yeah lieutenant well because there [TS]

00:51:34   because they're all those there's [TS]

00:51:35   there's all those feelings like I [TS]

00:51:37   remember the feeling of sitting in a [TS]

00:51:39   booth and my mom said maybe and I [TS]

00:51:43   thought that meant that yes and here's [TS]

00:51:45   like what I you might start making it [TS]

00:51:48   too specific and you go okay do I really [TS]

00:51:50   remember those being those red plastic [TS]

00:51:52   cups that they Pete had a Pizza Hut did [TS]

00:51:53   Pizza Hut even have booths and you find [TS]

00:51:55   yourself going wait and they start [TS]

00:51:56   fact-checking yourself and pretty soon [TS]

00:51:57   you're crushing the bunny yeah you don't [TS]

00:52:00   want to crush the bunny [TS]

00:52:03   yeah I have a couple of those memories [TS]

00:52:05   right the time that I lost my horse [TS]

00:52:07   wallet in the water [TS]

00:52:08   oh they're odd yes there was a very [TS]

00:52:10   specific memory I have in in Hawaii when [TS]

00:52:15   I was a kid I was with my dad [TS]

00:52:16   we were try and this was back when Maui [TS]

00:52:19   didn't most of Maui didn't have paved [TS]

00:52:21   roads it was all dirt roads and we were [TS]

00:52:24   at some little store and they had a rack [TS]

00:52:27   of comic books which I'd been you know [TS]

00:52:29   there hadn't been comic books anywhere I [TS]

00:52:31   had gone in Hawaii it was like my kind [TS]

00:52:33   of found comic books and I said dad can [TS]

00:52:36   I have [TS]

00:52:37   can I have a comic and he said you get [TS]

00:52:40   him a couple comics and I brought three [TS]

00:52:43   up to the cash register but I told you [TS]

00:52:44   this how's it going I brought three and [TS]

00:52:47   my dad said I said you could have a [TS]

00:52:48   couple and I said three as a couple and [TS]

00:52:51   dad said three is a few uh I had that up [TS]

00:52:56   until junior high I thought a couple [TS]

00:52:57   meant like a handful you know a couple I [TS]

00:52:59   think it was five a couple is two a few [TS]

00:53:02   is two two four yeah a few was to 250 I [TS]

00:53:06   didn't realize a couple always meant to [TS]

00:53:08   I didn't realize that until like junior [TS]

00:53:09   high [TS]

00:53:09   well I still don't believe it no but my [TS]

00:53:11   dad said you can't you know you can have [TS]

00:53:14   zero because I said you could I said you [TS]

00:53:17   could have a couple and you brought up a [TS]

00:53:18   few seconds there oh shit dog that is [TS]

00:53:21   harsh well that's why I remember this [TS]

00:53:23   was it was probably snow I don't know I [TS]

00:53:26   don't know it was a hard become okay but [TS]

00:53:30   I I remember the store I remember the [TS]

00:53:32   light in of the day I remember the dirt [TS]

00:53:35   of the road and the little town that we [TS]

00:53:37   were in and the whole experience of [TS]

00:53:39   being on this long car ride with him in [TS]

00:53:40   Hawaii because it was just solidified in [TS]

00:53:44   this moment of like I had three comic [TS]

00:53:47   books in my hand I was at the cash [TS]

00:53:49   register and those comic books went away [TS]

00:53:51   because I didn't I did not parse the [TS]

00:53:55   difference between a couple and a few I [TS]

00:53:57   remember I I did not buy a lot of comic [TS]

00:54:00   books gonna have a lot of dough for that [TS]

00:54:01   kind of thing but I feel this might been [TS]

00:54:03   when my dad was alive was definitely [TS]

00:54:05   more still at our other house where he [TS]

00:54:07   had lived but so I might have been eight [TS]

00:54:08   maybe nine and I had some kind of a DC [TS]

00:54:11   comic I picked up you know 25 cents 35 [TS]

00:54:14   cents I am I'm it had hippies in it and [TS]

00:54:18   I think I've tried to find this over the [TS]

00:54:21   years I feel like it might have been a [TS]

00:54:22   Superman or probably a Batman or maybe [TS]

00:54:24   like a Justice not Justice League [TS]

00:54:26   whatever was called whatever the [TS]

00:54:27   Superfriends were the Superfriends I [TS]

00:54:30   guess but my mom I remember feeling very [TS]

00:54:34   ashamed that my mom took it away from me [TS]

00:54:36   because she thought it was objectionable [TS]

00:54:38   I think she thought it had like drug [TS]

00:54:39   things I remember she put it on top of [TS]

00:54:41   the dresser and I at one time I snuck [TS]

00:54:43   into her room and got one last look at [TS]

00:54:46   the forbidden comic and that I never saw [TS]

00:54:47   it again [TS]

00:54:48   the forbidden comic were hip [TS]

00:54:50   he's appeared hippies and and where the [TS]

00:54:52   hippies like bad with a lot of hippies [TS]

00:54:55   were like we're getting into a Pizza Hut [TS]

00:54:57   tumblr type situation cuz I feel like I [TS]

00:55:00   remember it having like I was probably [TS]

00:55:02   titillated [TS]

00:55:03   I'm gonna guess by like girls in [TS]

00:55:06   lavender or mini dresses because I was a [TS]

00:55:08   big fan of Mod Squad and I had a huge [TS]

00:55:10   crush on Julie she was one of my first [TS]

00:55:12   crush crushes and then you get that [TS]

00:55:15   Peggy Lipton right so like you know her [TS]

00:55:18   daughter was on the Parks and Rec it's [TS]

00:55:19   crazy stuff I don't know it was on the [TS]

00:55:21   Mod Squad [TS]

00:55:22   I don't we didn't get the Mod Squad okay [TS]

00:55:24   was that a good show was it like [TS]

00:55:27   untouchable it was one of those like TV [TS]

00:55:30   is trying to get cool in the late [TS]

00:55:32   sixties shows - yes and it was it was a [TS]

00:55:37   it was the main guy the black guy and [TS]

00:55:39   the pretty girl and and the three of [TS]

00:55:41   them were the Mod Squad and they would [TS]

00:55:43   solve crimes but doing undercover things [TS]

00:55:44   you know like 21 Jump Street yeah I [TS]

00:55:47   guess so I reckon it was I reckon yeah [TS]

00:55:49   but I think it also I feel like in my [TS]

00:55:51   head in this guy again this could be a [TS]

00:55:52   Pizza Hut tumblr situation cuz I very [TS]

00:55:54   clearly remember those red Tom where's [TS]

00:55:55   the Pizza Hut and also I think it had [TS]

00:55:57   like guys with roger McGuinn glasses and [TS]

00:56:00   like indian headband oh sure of course [TS]

00:56:02   of course you know the look like I'm 21 [TS]

00:56:05   Jump Street was exactly like that they [TS]

00:56:07   wanted to do stories about gangs but [TS]

00:56:08   they couldn't they couldn't use actual [TS]

00:56:11   red or no colors and so like their gang [TS]

00:56:15   yellow and the cruds [TS]

00:56:18   yeah the lemon drops and I think they're [TS]

00:56:31   wearing roger mcginn glasses like man [TS]

00:56:37   you wanna buy some squeak-squeak not a [TS]

00:56:39   thing yeah this new drug it's called [TS]

00:56:42   pistol-whip the kids are doing it [TS]

00:56:43   and yes so anyway that's I got you away [TS]

00:56:47   from your pants hey Adriano Goldsmith [TS]

00:56:49   you know I'm telling you I'm here to [TS]

00:56:50   tell you like Peter Schaffer says in the [TS]

00:56:52   play Equus moments snap together like [TS]

00:56:54   magnets [TS]

00:56:55   there's no way to have any you don't get [TS]

00:56:58   much control over what decides to stick [TS]

00:57:00   around how you remember it whether you [TS]

00:57:01   remember it and having just watched [TS]

00:57:03   cocoa yesterday [TS]

00:57:03   which is a very very good movie now of [TS]

00:57:07   course I'm thinking a lot about memory [TS]

00:57:08   it's Coco the movie about about a an ape [TS]

00:57:12   I loved this movie so much I don't want [TS]

00:57:16   to say too much I would just say it's a [TS]

00:57:18   very good Pixar movie it has a lot is [TS]

00:57:22   based around the Day of the Dead and a [TS]

00:57:25   Mexican family Oh on day the day and [TS]

00:57:27   it's it's really really good I didn't [TS]

00:57:32   cry oh yeah I love that gorilla yeah [TS]

00:57:35   like a hundred different sign languages [TS]

00:57:37   if I'm a different Coco different Coco [TS]

00:57:39   yeah [TS]

00:57:40   Coco cool I got the kitten and then it [TS]

00:57:45   was terrible watching it was wonderful [TS]

00:57:47   it was beautiful shining disc meet [TS]

00:57:51   Coco's new kittens I gotta stop the show [TS]

00:57:53   is Coco alive still uh I think Coco I [TS]

00:57:59   don't know it's gonna be a Rosanna [TS]

00:58:00   situation did they replace the Coco it [TS]

00:58:02   looks to be according to the internet [TS]

00:58:03   science site looks like Coco still alive [TS]

00:58:05   you know Coco I mean girl was 46 years [TS]

00:58:08   old dude and she's still out there [TS]

00:58:10   talking to kittens and we don't we don't [TS]

00:58:13   have like a lot [TS]

00:58:14   I mean God bless the hippo at the [TS]

00:58:16   Cincinnati Zoo it's a really cute hippo [TS]

00:58:18   god bless all my cute animals that said [TS]

00:58:20   why are we just not getting 24/7 Coco [TS]

00:58:22   well yeah why doesn't Coco's why don't [TS]

00:58:25   we have a Coco in every community that [TS]

00:58:27   people could just go interact with I [TS]

00:58:28   think it's got to be pretty labor [TS]

00:58:30   intensive to teach a a gorilla how to [TS]

00:58:34   sign but I also think why are we not [TS]

00:58:37   doing that I mean we're spending we're [TS]

00:58:39   spending tons and tons of money building [TS]

00:58:41   the f-35 and that sister it's a lot less [TS]

00:58:44   useful than being able to sign with apes [TS]

00:58:47   did I tell you I got scammed by cheetahs [TS]

00:58:50   owner say what okay so you're in for [TS]

00:58:53   Tarzan movies yes okay I'm pretty sure I [TS]

00:58:56   got scammed cuz here's the thing there's [TS]

00:58:58   this guy I gotta look this up see this [TS]

00:58:59   is another thing I hadn't even bothered [TS]

00:59:00   to look up but cheetah the original [TS]

00:59:04   cheetah from the Tarzan movies was like [TS]

00:59:06   basically in this you know not a hospice [TS]

00:59:10   but like a retirement like a like a [TS]

00:59:11   monkey retirement home [TS]

00:59:13   jim-jim sorry chimps are monkeys anyway [TS]

00:59:16   you know I'm staying here you [TS]

00:59:17   don't don't write us don't add us no no [TS]

00:59:20   no but basically this guy took care of [TS]

00:59:22   cheetah and the idea was we're gonna [TS]

00:59:24   cover cheetahs expenses oh by the way I [TS]

00:59:27   didn't mention cheetah reportedly loves [TS]

00:59:29   to paint she cheated and cheetah would [TS]

00:59:33   make these paintings and this fella you [TS]

00:59:35   could buy an original Chi cheetah canvas [TS]

00:59:38   and that money was used to help cheetah [TS]

00:59:41   I still had in my house one of these [TS]

00:59:44   that I bought and I remember from the [TS]

00:59:45   moment I got it I thought huh I'm not [TS]

00:59:49   I'm not an artist or an art critic but [TS]

00:59:51   looking at this this does not look like [TS]

00:59:53   knowing a little bit that I know about [TS]

00:59:56   people and children in particular in [TS]

00:59:57   some animals if you give an animal [TS]

00:59:57   some animals if you give an animal [TS]

01:00:00   Oh paint what they make will not look [TS]

01:00:02   anything like what you would expect [TS]

01:00:05   imagine it's gonna be like there's gonna [TS]

01:00:07   be big splotches in this area nothing [TS]

01:00:09   over here this is a very uniform like [TS]

01:00:11   strokes of purple and kind of [TS]

01:00:13   complementary colors and I was like this [TS]

01:00:15   I don't know about this I'm pretty sure [TS]

01:00:17   I'm pretty sure as a jamup I'm pretty [TS]

01:00:19   sure the dude painted it I feel like if [TS]

01:00:22   you went on line and said cheetah paint [TS]

01:00:25   and see now I got a look I bet you [TS]

01:00:27   there's a video of cheetah actually [TS]

01:00:28   painting paintings and you can you can [TS]

01:00:31   go and verify this cheetah no H because [TS]

01:00:35   ice I actually there's a place there's a [TS]

01:00:38   place where elephants are given paint [TS]

01:00:40   brushes and and canvases okay and and [TS]

01:00:44   it's the similar type of thing they sell [TS]

01:00:46   the paintings in order to raise money [TS]

01:00:48   for the elephants yeah and I work well [TS]

01:00:52   yeah right but also you know the idea [TS]

01:00:54   being that an elephant has all this [TS]

01:00:56   depth and sensitivity and if you get if [TS]

01:00:59   you teach them to paint they can I mean [TS]

01:01:01   it really helps them emotionally oh okay [TS]

01:01:04   all right that's super interesting to me [TS]

01:01:06   I have watched hours and hours of maybe [TS]

01:01:08   not hours but let's say I've watched a [TS]

01:01:10   lot more than one of elephants painting [TS]

01:01:13   okay and they seem to really really do [TS]

01:01:17   it enthusiastically and and you do [TS]

01:01:19   really feel like they get the idea they [TS]

01:01:21   understand that they're making art and I [TS]

01:01:24   I was on the very very edge of buying a [TS]

01:01:29   giant elephant artwork several times and [TS]

01:01:32   the thing was they they put them up at [TS]

01:01:34   each individual piece and I went through [TS]

01:01:37   them many times like which one of these [TS]

01:01:39   you know and I would narrow it down to a [TS]

01:01:41   couple and then I I never pulled the [TS]

01:01:43   trigger because I honestly I felt like [TS]

01:01:45   the elephant had yet to do its best work [TS]

01:01:46   oh okay it's still a young artist I was [TS]

01:01:49   waiting for them to mature I was waiting [TS]

01:01:51   for their paintings to mature and so [TS]

01:01:53   that I mean because they the painting [TS]

01:01:55   spoke to me but there was just there was [TS]

01:01:56   this feeling of like nascent talent that [TS]

01:01:59   was like it just needed a little bit [TS]

01:02:01   more time with paint a little bit more [TS]

01:02:03   time it's like wackadoo enough to feel [TS]

01:02:05   like naive art like your friend your [TS]

01:02:07   friend they are collecting drummer now [TS]

01:02:09   does he have anything that's been [TS]

01:02:10   painted by animals [TS]

01:02:11   no he does not does he likes folky naive [TS]

01:02:17   art is that his thing no not quite not [TS]

01:02:20   quite all the way to that he likes but [TS]

01:02:23   it's all his art is mostly figurative [TS]

01:02:26   it's not just like splattered paint on a [TS]

01:02:28   canvas it's usually like a painting of a [TS]

01:02:31   thing no my friend rainy Egan who lives [TS]

01:02:35   with you in San Francisco California he [TS]

01:02:37   does so he lives over over by the park [TS]

01:02:48   got the guy insulted when I was drunk [TS]

01:02:50   that time that was a total moment one [TS]

01:03:05   day I will be as absolutely unfiltered [TS]

01:03:08   as Merlin Mann in this moment of your [TS]

01:03:13   clients to be able to afford this house [TS]

01:03:15   forgetting for alcohol reasons I don't [TS]

01:03:17   think you see me like not being quite [TS]

01:03:19   myself maybe I was too much myself that [TS]

01:03:21   night there was also some herbs involved [TS]

01:03:26   that night and that might have been part [TS]

01:03:27   of it you were tying it on sometimes [TS]

01:03:30   rock and roll buddy and we're having a [TS]

01:03:32   this was after MC Hammer's birthday [TS]

01:03:34   party wasn't it yeah yeah same night [TS]

01:03:36   after you spit on the streetcar and they [TS]

01:03:38   went to this guy's massive massive house [TS]

01:03:39   where he lived alone in a streetcar [TS]

01:03:43   [Music] [TS]

01:03:45   yeah the streetcar Twitter account said [TS]

01:03:48   hey that still has an impact [TS]

01:03:53   we watched elf last night and I as of [TS]

01:03:56   last night I'm giving up on trying to [TS]

01:03:58   help my daughter remember this I was [TS]

01:03:59   like hey hey that time that guy came [TS]

01:04:01   over in the wind Burke of that morning [TS]

01:04:02   when that tall guy with the dark hair he [TS]

01:04:03   used to be married to that elf girl hmm [TS]

01:04:06   she's like I don't know I don't [TS]

01:04:07   understand any of the words that he just [TS]

01:04:08   said she's not usually blonde but they [TS]

01:04:12   used to be married and she was a singer [TS]

01:04:13   with them Ward and she's like why are [TS]

01:04:14   you still talking let's just watch the [TS]

01:04:15   movie [TS]

01:04:15   what no who do you who you impressing [TS]

01:04:17   with this me showing her the email the [TS]

01:04:19   time I emailed Bill Hader like I'm [TS]

01:04:21   supposed really impress her or something [TS]

01:04:22   yeah yep yep the kids don't care [TS]

01:04:24   they don't care although I it was nice [TS]

01:04:27   he was a gentleman he came over the [TS]

01:04:28   house was like hey what's this guy doing [TS]

01:04:29   in my house look at this guy yeah he's a [TS]

01:04:31   gentleman he's a gentleman I'm friends [TS]

01:04:32   with Casper baby pants yes and being [TS]

01:04:35   friends with couchsurfing dance within [TS]

01:04:37   the kid universe yeah water in that [TS]

01:04:41   seaside town he does and and it is a I [TS]

01:04:44   mean all of the other things that I can [TS]

01:04:45   talk about about about timer nice man [TS]

01:04:51   he's a nice man he's got a lot going on [TS]

01:04:53   but i tough man kids are Havel they say [TS]

01:04:56   never work with with children or animals [TS]

01:04:57   is what they say you know he Casper baby [TS]

01:05:01   pants he he raised his son to our [TS]

01:05:03   program and daughter is really really [TS]

01:05:06   really nice email that kind of made my [TS]

01:05:07   month he's nice I think about him all [TS]

01:05:09   the time because what about the guy [TS]

01:05:11   insulted well the guy where I told him [TS]

01:05:13   is his bathroom was too expensive for [TS]

01:05:14   living alone what was that he didn't [TS]

01:05:16   listen to our show does he know no he [TS]

01:05:21   but he's you know he's just sitting on a [TS]

01:05:24   big big pile of money he's like Absalom [TS]

01:05:27   the caterpillar room over sting but [TS]

01:05:35   there are people periodically that will [TS]

01:05:37   come through town or that I'll talk to [TS]

01:05:39   who are like I remember that night in [TS]

01:05:40   San Francisco with that we spent with [TS]

01:05:42   Merlin man and I'll be like Shirin and [TS]

01:05:45   and then they'll tell a story about how [TS]

01:05:47   you got rowdy yeah and took a took a [TS]

01:05:50   Subway sandwich and stuck it in two [TS]

01:05:52   different nights a bellhops here or [TS]

01:05:54   whatever sandwich is over a sewer with [TS]

01:05:58   pollen storm and I think that's you know [TS]

01:06:00   that's been pretty well documented I [TS]

01:06:02   have a photo of Jonathan Coulton [TS]

01:06:05   standing standing in a subway at like [TS]

01:06:06   2:00 in the morning looking with his [TS]

01:06:08   eyes closed his eyes are always closed [TS]

01:06:09   in photos if you ever notice sign [TS]

01:06:11   I think his eyes were always closed he's [TS]

01:06:14   a Dracula he puts his he puts like a [TS]

01:06:17   little hologram of an eyeball in front [TS]

01:06:20   of his eyelid by using Cylons anybody [TS]

01:06:24   who could benefit from the AR economy [TS]

01:06:27   that is coming down the road it is your [TS]

01:06:29   friend Jonathan Coulton it's true [TS]

01:06:30   although I had an interesting [TS]

01:06:32   conversation the other day this is this [TS]

01:06:35   may be this may be a thought technology [TS]

01:06:37   that [TS]

01:06:38   you do not want our listeners do not [TS]

01:06:40   want Jesus I had a conversation with a [TS]

01:06:44   with a good friend who is a friend of [TS]

01:06:45   yours and a friend of the program and a [TS]

01:06:47   friend of our universe who said I feel [TS]

01:06:50   like the up-and-coming the next gen the [TS]

01:06:55   kids who are like walking into the world [TS]

01:06:57   right now they do not have any loyalty [TS]

01:07:02   to nerd and so this thing though this [TS]

01:07:08   thing that we have been living in the [TS]

01:07:09   last 10 years is like so many other [TS]

01:07:12   things in our lives a thing where as [TS]

01:07:15   we're in it we're thinking this is the [TS]

01:07:18   future forever Oh sort of like the [TS]

01:07:21   embalming years like I felt like that [TS]

01:07:22   was gonna take yeah or like we've talked [TS]

01:07:25   about before all through the 90s I was [TS]

01:07:27   thinking that the that the information [TS]

01:07:31   that I was that I was really honing the [TS]

01:07:34   skills that I was honing to be able to [TS]

01:07:36   tell a 1954 Fender Telecaster from an l5 [TS]

01:07:40   Telecaster it became useless to me [TS]

01:07:44   I mean useless less than used it went [TS]

01:07:46   from it went from being fairly useful as [TS]

01:07:48   an obscure thing not many people knew to [TS]

01:07:50   like being like tears in rain yeah well [TS]

01:07:52   it was not not just obscure I mean it [TS]

01:07:55   was a way you could make a living you [TS]

01:07:56   could be a person who sat behind a desk [TS]

01:07:58   and somebody came in and said you'd be [TS]

01:08:00   able to go like oh this is not an [TS]

01:08:01   original truss rod for sure thank you [TS]

01:08:04   for Telecaster and you're like sorry [TS]

01:08:06   buddy that's not the real tuning pegs [TS]

01:08:08   now who cares and so all of this [TS]

01:08:11   investment that a lot of us have put [TS]

01:08:13   into and and all of the rewards we've [TS]

01:08:15   reaped but the investment into this idea [TS]

01:08:18   of like nerd culture yeah the the [TS]

01:08:22   supposition is that's all going away and [TS]

01:08:25   when it goes away it's not one of these [TS]

01:08:27   things that's going to go away gently [TS]

01:08:30   over eight years it's a thing that's [TS]

01:08:32   gonna go away pretty fast because it's [TS]

01:08:34   going to become and I think it maybe [TS]

01:08:36   already is true that it's it's already [TS]

01:08:39   transitioning to nostalgia culture so [TS]

01:08:43   well put [TS]

01:08:46   or 2008 when nerd was new or remember [TS]

01:08:51   2011 when we first like when the first [TS]

01:08:54   Iron Man movie came out and people were [TS]

01:08:56   like oh my god [TS]

01:08:57   that he's not he's fairly obscure as [TS]

01:09:01   these kinds of things go and it's Robert [TS]

01:09:03   Downey jr. and it's good and like for [TS]

01:09:05   the first time like a superhero movie [TS]

01:09:07   made since Superman could be good like [TS]

01:09:10   what is happening yeah and I think I [TS]

01:09:12   think the idea now is that that young [TS]

01:09:15   people coming up or like what they're I [TS]

01:09:17   mean nerd has become meaningless phrase [TS]

01:09:19   right it's everybody is one yeah you [TS]

01:09:22   just want my hot topic and it's just [TS]

01:09:23   like wow that's stuff I could never have [TS]

01:09:25   imagined just special edition Doctor Who [TS]

01:09:28   Funko dolls and stuff like what is [TS]

01:09:30   happening and it's complete it's so [TS]

01:09:33   completely Universal that the idea of [TS]

01:09:35   for instance going on a nerd cruise or [TS]

01:09:37   or being a nerd artist or something it [TS]

01:09:41   just is not meaningful to somebody [TS]

01:09:43   that's under the age of 25 so taken to [TS]

01:09:45   its extreme that's somebody like a [TS]

01:09:46   Jonathan Coulton probably like maybe [TS]

01:09:48   they might be giants MC Frontalot right [TS]

01:09:50   that's front in particular or maybe [TS]

01:09:52   Weird Al like these people who were like [TS]

01:09:54   part of their bona fides were like they [TS]

01:09:56   are very talented at doing something [TS]

01:09:59   that feels like a little bit of an [TS]

01:10:01   outsider thing for weirdos but I feel [TS]

01:10:03   like the talent will always win out [TS]

01:10:05   right they might be giants have never I [TS]

01:10:07   mean they might be giants have [TS]

01:10:09   definitely not there they haven't like [TS]

01:10:13   suffered during the nerd years but also [TS]

01:10:16   they are great right so they figured a [TS]

01:10:20   diversify their income stream which i [TS]

01:10:21   think is pretty amazing yeah they sell a [TS]

01:10:23   literally a ton of t-shirts but like [TS]

01:10:26   literally one ton but like that music [TS]

01:10:31   will always appeal to people not [TS]

01:10:33   necessarily through them reflecting on [TS]

01:10:36   their own identity as a nerd right and [TS]

01:10:38   that's true of Jonathan Coulton too but [TS]

01:10:40   there are an awful awful awful lot of [TS]

01:10:42   people out there whose whole business [TS]

01:10:44   and their whole thing is just like you [TS]

01:10:49   know the t-shirt actually says like nerd [TS]

01:10:50   exclamation point and and that is gonna [TS]

01:10:54   be that's all nostalgia now even already [TS]

01:10:57   yeah [TS]

01:10:58   I yeah you think about look at how many [TS]

01:11:00   movies slated freely and this is the [TS]

01:11:02   result of many many market conditions [TS]

01:11:04   that are too complicated into here but [TS]

01:11:06   your look at the number of movies coming [TS]

01:11:07   out in 2018 that are either sequels part [TS]

01:11:11   of a franchise or like repurposed from [TS]

01:11:13   something like look up I mean they've [TS]

01:11:15   made movies from books for a very long [TS]

01:11:17   time but like for so many things to be [TS]

01:11:20   part of a franchise it's it's it's it's [TS]

01:11:22   it would be and then to say that like [TS]

01:11:25   these 35 superhero movies look at all [TS]

01:11:27   the nerds of one right right but we now [TS]

01:11:33   get three hundred thousand dollar movies [TS]

01:11:34   that are way too dark getting made yay [TS]

01:11:36   thank you barely see anything [TS]

01:11:38   nerds I'm a nerd the thing about the [TS]

01:11:41   Nerds winning is what we who we don't [TS]

01:11:43   remember is all the times in the past [TS]

01:11:45   where X has won and then that's just [TS]

01:11:48   mainstream culture now and we never [TS]

01:11:50   think about it again right like that's [TS]

01:11:52   that's how the hegemony works it is and [TS]

01:11:54   so so as nerd passes like what's next I [TS]

01:11:58   don't know when I was on the when I was [TS]

01:12:00   on this submarine the other day I was [TS]

01:12:03   talking to the captain and he was saying [TS]

01:12:05   I can't use sports metaphors there none [TS]

01:12:08   of the crew like I have 300 people on [TS]

01:12:11   this boat and not a single one of them [TS]

01:12:12   understands what I mean when I say let's [TS]

01:12:14   take this let's let's gain some yards on [TS]

01:12:16   this let's take this let's take this [TS]

01:12:18   project and go in for a touchdown I just [TS]

01:12:20   get blank looks and he says you know [TS]

01:12:22   this guy's he has to say let's collect [TS]

01:12:24   the infinity gems he's yeah he's foot [TS]

01:12:27   he's 41 or whatever and he's a he's a [TS]

01:12:28   commander of a submarine he's like [TS]

01:12:30   they're all gamers and I have no idea [TS]

01:12:32   what what they are what it motivates [TS]

01:12:35   them because sports metaphors just go [TS]

01:12:37   right over their head and and that is a [TS]

01:12:39   thing that's a language gulf that will [TS]

01:12:41   that exists now and it's like not just a [TS]

01:12:44   language gulf but like a like a [TS]

01:12:46   comprehension gulf I have never played a [TS]

01:12:48   game like that there are lots and lots [TS]

01:12:51   of people now who are making a pretty [TS]

01:12:53   good living just being professional [TS]

01:12:54   gamers where they just play games and [TS]

01:12:57   other people watch them and I'll never [TS]

01:12:59   be in that I'll never I mean you know [TS]

01:13:02   I've made it this far I can I made it [TS]

01:13:06   all the way to doing stuff on apps [TS]

01:13:11   and and knowing enough to disable in-app [TS]

01:13:14   purchases but you're also two point [TS]

01:13:15   laughs where you get to begin your [TS]

01:13:16   sentences with dependent clauses like [TS]

01:13:18   the other day when I was on a submarine [TS]

01:13:23   just go by but as far as me being like [TS]

01:13:27   like ground zero and opulent culture [TS]

01:13:30   right I totally missed the window mr. [TS]

01:13:32   new song it's about I was at a store [TS]

01:13:39   yesterday and some music came on the [TS]

01:13:42   internet overhead the internet overhead [TS]

01:13:45   which I guess used to be called music oh [TS]

01:13:48   yes yes yes speaker they called speaker [TS]

01:13:52   content now speaker content I was like [TS]

01:13:56   I've heard this song before I've heard [TS]

01:13:57   it enough now and it feels like is this [TS]

01:14:01   a song that was really popular nine [TS]

01:14:02   months ago and I missed it or two years [TS]

01:14:06   ago and I missed it because this is a [TS]

01:14:07   really good song how did I miss this [TS]

01:14:10   going by so I so I Sam dit mhm [TS]

01:14:14   Sam's gotten very fast Shazam TM it's [TS]

01:14:17   gotten really fast and sound [TS]

01:14:19   they're just crazy fast now I don't know [TS]

01:14:21   what they've done to tweak that but it [TS]

01:14:22   fits the song that you're pretty sure it [TS]

01:14:24   should know it'll know in seconds now [TS]

01:14:25   and it's gotten really good at at doing [TS]

01:14:28   it in a noisy restaurant or in a room [TS]

01:14:30   where there was a lot of ambient noise [TS]

01:14:31   where it's magic to me that that would - [TS]

01:14:35   and that's an app where it's like you [TS]

01:14:38   know I have all those apps where you [TS]

01:14:40   point your phone up at the stars and it [TS]

01:14:43   tells you about the constellations last [TS]

01:14:44   night to find the super moon and those [TS]

01:14:46   are those are wonderful but in terms of [TS]

01:14:48   being able to be in a store and go [TS]

01:14:50   what's this song and hold your phone up [TS]

01:14:51   and it tells you I still am amazed by [TS]

01:14:53   that [TS]

01:14:54   it's almost always pink remember that [TS]

01:14:57   time when you and I were in your living [TS]

01:14:59   room and you had me sing my own song [TS]

01:15:01   into the phone it was just like is that [TS]

01:15:09   Tom flicker I think yeah but but so I [TS]

01:15:13   pulled my phone up and it tells me that [TS]

01:15:15   this song is effectively brand new this [TS]

01:15:19   fall it's number one on the charts and [TS]

01:15:21   it's by Portugal the man who are [TS]

01:15:24   hey friends of mine and be from Alaska [TS]

01:15:26   Portugal the man and it's this song [TS]

01:15:29   where it basically sounds like a CeeLo [TS]

01:15:30   green song it doesn't sound it's such a [TS]

01:15:33   hooky hook and it doesn't feel like [TS]

01:15:37   indie rock necessarily it feels like [TS]

01:15:39   this other thing this kind of thing that [TS]

01:15:42   could be like andre 3000 song off of an [TS]

01:15:45   outcast record the song is 2 minutes and [TS]

01:15:49   40 seconds long I mean genius length [TS]

01:15:52   where it comes to the end and you're [TS]

01:15:53   like wait wait is that all played again [TS]

01:15:56   and so I texted a friend of mine like oh [TS]

01:16:00   man [TS]

01:16:01   Portugal the man has got a legit hit [TS]

01:16:05   torch another man and the friend of mine [TS]

01:16:07   was like I'm playing in the in that band [TS]

01:16:10   now I've been in Portugal demands since [TS]

01:16:12   2015 and you didn't even know it and I [TS]

01:16:14   was like what and then he sent me a [TS]

01:16:16   picture of himself on an airplane [TS]

01:16:18   wearing a hat that said Alaska and he's [TS]

01:16:21   like we're on tour right now we're [TS]

01:16:22   flying out to somewhere stand and those [TS]

01:16:27   guys are from Alaska right we're all [TS]

01:16:28   from there from Matanuska Valley I just [TS]

01:16:31   found out my my niece is going out with [TS]

01:16:33   a guy who's his podcast is more popular [TS]

01:16:35   than mine I mean I wasn't familiar with [TS]

01:16:39   it but I I see I realized now this guy [TS]

01:16:42   whose name I keep seeing turning up in [TS]

01:16:43   various places you imagine how that [TS]

01:16:44   feels to me is it Travis McElroy I [TS]

01:16:46   couldn't say yeah but anyway Paul the [TS]

01:16:51   man this tune that they're doing they're [TS]

01:16:53   younger than me Portugal they're in [TS]

01:16:54   Portugal Portugal the man is the name of [TS]

01:16:56   the band that's the name of the band and [TS]

01:16:57   they did that thing with the where they [TS]

01:17:00   did like bad punctuation it's Portugal [TS]

01:17:02   period the period man what Portugal [TS]

01:17:06   Portugal the period man they put like [TS]

01:17:09   extra punctuation god speed you pluck [TS]

01:17:12   amber gets a pass on that but everybody [TS]

01:17:14   else needs to quit doing that just well [TS]

01:17:15   it's too late they've been doing it for [TS]

01:17:17   like nine years so Portugal now anyway [TS]

01:17:20   they are Portugal the man they are [TS]

01:17:22   they're not like young they've been and [TS]

01:17:25   they've been a band for 10 years but [TS]

01:17:27   they're still in there I think early 30s [TS]

01:17:29   and this tune and the whole vibe of it [TS]

01:17:32   porch another man like he's wearing a [TS]

01:17:34   mustache and it's like post-ironic [TS]

01:17:37   - into like normcore mustache and the [TS]

01:17:40   whole thing just feels like musically [TS]

01:17:43   I'm super into it but culturally it's [TS]

01:17:46   just a little bit out of my reach like I [TS]

01:17:50   can't quite even though they're only [TS]

01:17:53   there 35 they're not even music facial [TS]

01:17:56   hair music has changed a lot in your 40s [TS]

01:17:59   I used to be the only people who look [TS]

01:18:01   like you were what [TS]

01:18:02   who's that band I like granddaddy like [TS]

01:18:04   you me the grande a granddaddy would [TS]

01:18:06   look like you you get an iron wine it [TS]

01:18:09   looks like you may be a Dave bazan [TS]

01:18:10   but like you did not see that many [TS]

01:18:12   bearded people and now it's just all [TS]

01:18:13   beers a whistle isn't you oh hey [TS]

01:18:17   speaking of which did you know the page [TS]

01:18:19   where the lines getting back together I [TS]

01:18:20   did I heard that yeah and they're going [TS]

01:18:22   right left I follow him on Twitter he's [TS]

01:18:24   a good man yeah he's good he's good and [TS]

01:18:27   it's gonna be the next few years all [TS]

01:18:30   about Pedro by the way because you know [TS]

01:18:35   they're young enough that they could get [TS]

01:18:37   into this black man young [TS]

01:18:39   well he's younger than me is he [TS]

01:18:41   everybody's an old soul that's true [TS]

01:18:44   that's true a lot of people get old [TS]

01:18:46   young mmm Portugal - man Portugal period [TS]

01:18:51   the man no period Portugal period the [TS]

01:18:56   man no Peter no period right and then [TS]

01:18:58   got a black Emperor they it is Godspeed [TS]

01:19:02   you exclamation point [TS]

01:19:03   black Emperor I believe that's right how [TS]

01:19:05   to look well there's ellipses and you'll [TS]

01:19:08   know us by the trail of death that's [TS]

01:19:10   true we will that's right Friday Night [TS]

01:19:15   Lights band that's like the MTV version [TS]

01:19:18   of guts beat you black rapper what do [TS]

01:19:19   they call what's that band called the [TS]

01:19:20   Friday Night Lights Friday Night Lights [TS]

01:19:23   oh come on it's that one band that's a [TS]

01:19:25   show about a football right yes - true [TS]

01:19:28   true high true eyes big hearts we're not [TS]

01:19:31   gonna lose true eyes big heart song used [TS]

01:19:35   on explosions in the sky oh this guy do [TS]

01:19:38   they have weird punctuation no I I like [TS]

01:19:41   their music fine but they remind me of [TS]

01:19:43   like a little bit of like they are the [TS]

01:19:45   Coldplay - Godspeed You black hampers [TS]

01:19:47   Radiohead Oh interesting [TS]

01:19:50   interesting I have not spent enough time [TS]

01:19:51   in the Canon of all of that oh really [TS]

01:19:55   is it all isn't that all like Mogwai [TS]

01:19:57   derived no no I feel step on your shoe [TS]

01:20:04   oh no just it concerns me because there [TS]

01:20:08   was a point probably in the year that [TS]

01:20:10   didn't exist there's a point at some [TS]

01:20:12   point 1987 1987 point in the mid to late [TS]

01:20:15   90s it suddenly became clear that I was [TS]

01:20:18   supposed to really like a band called [TS]

01:20:20   tortoise I was supposed to really like [TS]

01:20:23   they all had names that sound like like [TS]

01:20:25   a Mexican cactus cactuses or something [TS]

01:20:27   like these bands use and I would just be [TS]

01:20:29   like I don't get i this feels it feels [TS]

01:20:31   like a jamup I get it it's slow and [TS]

01:20:34   there's a vibraphone what is happening [TS]

01:20:36   now god speech about Goepper you could [TS]

01:20:37   call them a post rock band you could but [TS]

01:20:40   like they're doing a whole different [TS]

01:20:41   thing they're kind of what is that thing [TS]

01:20:45   did I have their songs on my phone and [TS]

01:20:47   it's uh but I don't know I never [TS]

01:20:50   understood what post rock is I I don't [TS]

01:20:52   either [TS]

01:20:52   I don't either it all was that one guy [TS]

01:20:54   what's his name John McEnroe there's [TS]

01:20:56   that one guy that's in all those bands I [TS]

01:20:57   think his name's John McEnroe John [TS]

01:20:59   McEnroe was one of the greatest the [TS]

01:21:01   greatest vibraphonist something he [TS]

01:21:03   married to Brookfield he was now he's [TS]

01:21:05   married - are you thinking of paper [TS]

01:21:07   paper chase what's the right no no I got [TS]

01:21:14   all I got is this twenty dollar bill [TS]

01:21:15   paper moon he's married paper moon one [TS]

01:21:20   of those long pillows with a Neil Young [TS]

01:21:25   album it's only available streaming on [TS]

01:21:27   that Orange Box down on paper moon no [TS]

01:21:29   Tatum O'Neal Tatum O'Neal was married to [TS]

01:21:32   the guy from tortoise I'm pretty sure my [TS]

01:21:33   right what are those pillows fit that [TS]

01:21:36   like that are waifu's uh-huh spiky blue [TS]

01:21:41   haired girl you sleep with pillow yeah [TS]

01:21:43   yeah yeah yeah well pillow but why [TS]

01:21:47   everybody have holidays oh shit oh shit [TS]

01:21:52   well should I bleep it what happen oh [TS]

01:21:54   yeah you probably did [TS]

01:21:55   [Laughter] [TS]