Roderick on the Line

Ep. 267: "Vintage Mops"


00:00:01   [Music] [TS]

00:00:04   hello guy John man how's it going good [TS]

00:00:12   how are you going I'm going pretty good [TS]

00:00:16   all right yeah yeah it feels weird to do [TS]

00:00:19   this on Thursday yeah it's weird right [TS]

00:00:22   what do you normally do on Thursdays [TS]

00:00:23   Thursdays usually my um my admin day oh [TS]

00:00:26   you do admin well you know people love [TS]

00:00:28   people have jobs there's that phrase I'm [TS]

00:00:30   working from home yeah yeah yeah so [TS]

00:00:33   Thursday I mean oh you know well for men [TS]

00:00:36   it usually means masturbation um but it [TS]

00:00:40   this Thursday's my day when I usually [TS]

00:00:42   take care of lots of little things that [TS]

00:00:44   just kind of keep things running do you [TS]

00:00:47   do you - do you do that I mean do you [TS]

00:00:50   take care of little things or is it just [TS]

00:00:51   the day that you set aside to take care [TS]

00:00:53   of little things and then get distracted [TS]

00:00:56   well you know it is it's an ongoing it's [TS]

00:00:59   like painting the Golden Gate Bridge [TS]

00:01:00   right you're always paying the Golden [TS]

00:01:02   Gate Bridge you're never done painting [TS]

00:01:04   the Golden Gate Bridge hmm you know but [TS]

00:01:06   that's like there's always like [TS]

00:01:07   basically it takes a year the way it's [TS]

00:01:09   scheduled is and supposedly it takes a [TS]

00:01:11   year to paint the Golden Gate Bridge and [TS]

00:01:12   so basically you know you're just you [TS]

00:01:14   you're painting it your painting parts [TS]

00:01:15   you're painting it you're never not [TS]

00:01:17   painting the Golden Gate Bridge does it [TS]

00:01:18   always need some painting I understand [TS]

00:01:21   that and I love that yeah it's like life [TS]

00:01:22   has boat ownership so it could be stuff [TS]

00:01:25   that's as simple as it could be just [TS]

00:01:27   like day-to-day stuff like I want to [TS]

00:01:29   make sure we're caught up on dishes and [TS]

00:01:30   pans cuz maybe got a chicken pan that's [TS]

00:01:32   been sitting around for a day or two [TS]

00:01:33   tricking Ramji chicken pan sometimes you [TS]

00:01:35   just don't clean the chicken pan right [TS]

00:01:37   you know what I mean I've never cleaned [TS]

00:01:39   a chicken pan but then I don't generate [TS]

00:01:41   chicken pans we generate chicken pants [TS]

00:01:43   were a chicken family we do a lot of [TS]

00:01:45   things in pans and and but then it could [TS]

00:01:47   be stuff moving up the ladder you get [TS]

00:01:48   into the equally boring stuff like make [TS]

00:01:51   sure that there is toilet paper in the [TS]

00:01:53   house and that it has been properly [TS]

00:01:54   located to the bathroom where needed [TS]

00:01:56   deployed cats don't this applies I hate [TS]

00:01:59   to interrupt but no doesn't your toilet [TS]

00:02:01   paper isn't that on some kind of Amazon [TS]

00:02:03   Prime alert the system where it's [TS]

00:02:06   connected to your nest or something and [TS]

00:02:08   when you when you get down at just Auto [TS]

00:02:10   or yeah yeah yeah it knows that when we [TS]

00:02:13   drop down to about [TS]

00:02:13   see 8 degrees it's time for toilet paper [TS]

00:02:15   some of those things you can do but you [TS]

00:02:17   gotta be careful because then you end up [TS]

00:02:19   with too many paper towels and then you [TS]

00:02:20   gotta put that somewhere buddy it's a [TS]

00:02:23   little bit of an art but I go through I [TS]

00:02:24   go through all the pantries because this [TS]

00:02:26   is super interesting but this is what I [TS]

00:02:28   do on Thursdays I go through all the [TS]

00:02:29   pantries to make sure are we running out [TS]

00:02:31   of that soy milk drink my daughter likes [TS]

00:02:33   all the stuff all the stuff that nobody [TS]

00:02:35   but me thinks about are we running out [TS]

00:02:37   of half-and-half I do all those things [TS]

00:02:39   and I take care of those kinds of things [TS]

00:02:42   and I try to fit in on a Thursday I try [TS]

00:02:45   to fit in some kind of a nice to have [TS]

00:02:47   like I try to do a nice family thing [TS]

00:02:50   surprising family thing on Thursdays and [TS]

00:02:52   then Friday 3 times I go see a movie you [TS]

00:02:54   ever get a you ever get a bag of lint [TS]

00:02:56   lint balls just for the table you come [TS]

00:03:00   in you see a table just want that pizza [TS]

00:03:02   right up but it's my idea power [TS]

00:03:05   puttering in a lot of ways and you know [TS]

00:03:07   but it's nice to talk to you they feel [TS]

00:03:09   like it's been a long time does anybody [TS]

00:03:11   in the house your house use half and [TS]

00:03:13   half besides you [TS]

00:03:15   honestly I am mostly off half and a half [TS]

00:03:20   well which makes it difficult because if [TS]

00:03:22   everybody's doing lots of half and half [TS]

00:03:24   it's actually easier to manage if you [TS]

00:03:27   have zero people doing half a half it's [TS]

00:03:30   not a problem right if you have somebody [TS]

00:03:33   to people who are doing lots of [TS]

00:03:34   half-and-half you're getting it [TS]

00:03:35   regularly enough the trouble is you get [TS]

00:03:37   yourself you get a quart of [TS]

00:03:38   half-and-half and it goes a lot faster [TS]

00:03:40   than you think especially if you don't [TS]

00:03:42   remind your husband you need to get more [TS]

00:03:43   of it uh back in the day you went [TS]

00:03:46   through more half-and-half than anybody [TS]

00:03:48   that any two people I ever saw I made it [TS]

00:03:51   it was more like a Starbucks drink what [TS]

00:03:52   I used to make it now right here like [TS]

00:03:54   the thing I just made for for our [TS]

00:03:57   program that's just black coffee [TS]

00:03:58   not just black Petes coffee but people [TS]

00:04:00   calling Brooklyn's favorite sign he's a [TS]

00:04:06   big part of the Dutch culture oh yeah [TS]

00:04:09   yeah yeah he had to change his name in [TS]

00:04:10   Ellis Island [TS]

00:04:11   [Music] [TS]

00:04:12   what's stupid mmm but you know what I've [TS]

00:04:17   also what I do now I do a very Roderick [TS]

00:04:20   ish thing a lot of days especially I'm [TS]

00:04:23   gonna do some morning puttering at the [TS]

00:04:24   house hmm and so I'm really into those [TS]

00:04:27   like you get some you know I like [TS]

00:04:29   beakers and flasks I just like the way [TS]

00:04:31   that they look what I do too so I'll [TS]

00:04:33   take a 1 take a 1000 milliliter a 1 [TS]

00:04:36   liter beaker like a regular old [TS]

00:04:39   straight-up beaker still do the top with [TS]

00:04:41   ice and then I'll cover that with hot [TS]

00:04:42   coughing I'll drink that oh no [TS]

00:04:44   half-and-half oh that's beautiful it's [TS]

00:04:46   real real good I have some giant beakers [TS]

00:04:50   Easter Stein's [TS]

00:04:52   I'm drinking out of a Stein right now my [TS]

00:04:55   current today's Stein is a vintage oh [TS]

00:04:58   it's a Lowenbrau Stein from Munchen in [TS]

00:05:04   Deutschland here's to good friends [TS]

00:05:06   tonight is kind of special that's right [TS]

00:05:08   I think this is a different kind of [TS]

00:05:09   lowenbrau but but yeah yeah but I in the [TS]

00:05:13   summertime I use my giant beakers to [TS]

00:05:17   make iced tea mm-hmm and then it's [TS]

00:05:21   somewhere between a personal amount and [TS]

00:05:22   something you'd share with others it's [TS]

00:05:24   mostly just a very very large portion [TS]

00:05:25   for you well these beakers that I have [TS]

00:05:28   are a foot tall or Oh 18 inches tall [TS]

00:05:34   they're like very very you can barely [TS]

00:05:36   fit them in the refrigerator well it's a [TS]

00:05:38   multi liter unit yeah right and I [TS]

00:05:41   sometimes I'll make one with ice tea and [TS]

00:05:43   one with lemonade and then you know and [TS]

00:05:45   then I just feel like I don't want to [TS]

00:05:47   drink anything out of them because [TS]

00:05:48   they're so perfect as they are looking [TS]

00:05:51   here 2 liter graduated I'll look at that [TS]

00:05:54   Oh see now this is a real oh this is [TS]

00:05:56   made by Corning so it's very costly [TS]

00:05:58   mm-hmm I don't usually get the Corning [TS]

00:06:00   brand because they're very very costly [TS]

00:06:01   do other brands meet your specs well not [TS]

00:06:05   as much as I'd like but the truth is you [TS]

00:06:07   can get a lot of knockoff stuff feel [TS]

00:06:08   cheap you know what they want what these [TS]

00:06:09   with these animals a Corning one for a [TS]

00:06:11   two liter graduated low form Gryphon [TS]

00:06:14   beaker $12 hundred and $19 that's [TS]

00:06:18   outrageous that's that's a little more [TS]

00:06:20   than I'd like to spend I feel like you [TS]

00:06:22   can get these at medical and scientific [TS]

00:06:24   supply [TS]

00:06:26   auction type there are situations like [TS]

00:06:28   surplus situations but you don't know [TS]

00:06:31   what's been in those beakers I know I [TS]

00:06:33   know it's certainly something to think [TS]

00:06:34   about [TS]

00:06:34   yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah you see [TS]

00:06:37   there's a lot here but you know this is [TS]

00:06:39   a lot this is not so dissimilar from our [TS]

00:06:41   philosophy of making all the bacon mm-hm [TS]

00:06:44   you know when you're gonna make the tea [TS]

00:06:45   might as well make all the tea think as [TS]

00:06:46   I make a tea and this is really bad but [TS]

00:06:48   we don't we haven't for a while had like [TS]

00:06:50   an iced tea [TS]

00:06:53   would you call it like a we call it [TS]

00:06:55   pitcher so I just use a blender I'm [TS]

00:06:57   making the blender that's sad [TS]

00:07:00   yeah yeah it's real sad what I'll do is [TS]

00:07:01   I'll so here what I use I make that [TS]

00:07:03   linton's that really cheap Lipton's iced [TS]

00:07:05   tea mix mix look you don't tell me you [TS]

00:07:09   put in a bag or two of that and used up [TS]

00:07:11   his Finn Taft a liter of boiling water [TS]

00:07:12   and then you just cover it with ice and [TS]

00:07:15   you got iced tea so I gotta do well you [TS]

00:07:17   put the you put the boiling water okay [TS]

00:07:20   all right I mean you always add an extra [TS]

00:07:23   step that feels fancy oh thank you thank [TS]

00:07:26   you yeah it's the little things you know [TS]

00:07:28   the little things and then drinking it [TS]

00:07:29   you know then you put it put a put it [TS]

00:07:31   put a blender in your fridge makes your [TS]

00:07:35   wife happy to come home and see a black [TS]

00:07:36   40 but you don't know it's um you don't [TS]

00:07:38   blend it right you don't you don't use [TS]

00:07:41   it as a blender function I should have [TS]

00:07:45   said no no no no it's the picture for [TS]

00:07:48   the blender device that is water [TS]

00:07:50   you know resistant what would happen if [TS]

00:07:53   you blended iced tea just keep itself [TS]

00:07:57   just with itself [TS]

00:07:58   you didn't blend it with anything else I [TS]

00:08:00   have to imagine it would be different [TS]

00:08:01   just for because of physics yeah I would [TS]

00:08:03   aerate it it would make you light and [TS]

00:08:05   fluffy you know me er you get it you get [TS]

00:08:07   a foamy foamy fluffy or you get like a [TS]

00:08:10   Vitamix you get one of those really [TS]

00:08:11   serious ones that you can grind up a [TS]

00:08:12   celery in yeah mm-hmm well now take the [TS]

00:08:16   tea put in the boiling water which seems [TS]

00:08:18   like the fancy step extra fancy put the [TS]

00:08:22   ice in on the top of it in the blender [TS]

00:08:24   and then blended the bags right yeah [TS]

00:08:28   okay you wouldn't want to have the bags [TS]

00:08:29   and oh wait so you're saying let it [TS]

00:08:31   steep yeah what I do is this is I'm just [TS]

00:08:34   following the directions on the cheapo [TS]

00:08:35   Lipton tea but I think it's Fred forgets [TS]

00:08:38   if it's one giant bag or two giant bags [TS]

00:08:39   I [TS]

00:08:40   in a while yeah yeah you didn't put the [TS]

00:08:42   Boy Wonder now you got a super strong [TS]

00:08:43   tea you couldn't lend that and then add [TS]

00:08:45   the water but I'm guessing just because [TS]

00:08:47   of the the accretion of molecules that [TS]

00:08:50   adding ice to basically bring it up [TS]

00:08:53   you could make a slushy you can make an [TS]

00:08:55   iced tea slushy an iced tea slushy and [TS]

00:08:57   drink it out with a little baseball cap [TS]

00:08:58   like from a 7-eleven but if your iced [TS]

00:09:00   tea slushy then melted in the in the [TS]

00:09:03   refrigerator over the course of days [TS]

00:09:04   [Music] [TS]

00:09:06   turns EMT it's a good thing it's though [TS]

00:09:14   be indistinguishable from an iced tea [TS]

00:09:17   made conventionally find out and that's [TS]

00:09:20   science I'm gonna need to buy it two [TS]

00:09:21   blenders and I'm gonna do a side-by-side [TS]

00:09:23   a a longitudinal study two blenders [TS]

00:09:30   because in order for the study to have a [TS]

00:09:32   control blender you'd have the normal [TS]

00:09:35   tea in the blender that you're not using [TS]

00:09:36   as a blender I mean how would you do it [TS]

00:09:39   well you could instead of buying another [TS]

00:09:41   blender you can just buy a picture but [TS]

00:09:43   isn't that that's not science is it no I [TS]

00:09:45   wouldn't be you wouldn't have a control [TS]

00:09:46   cuz then you get leaching you get [TS]

00:09:48   molecular leaching off the edges of the [TS]

00:09:51   the other one well and who knows how [TS]

00:09:53   much like psychic reverberation there is [TS]

00:09:55   inside a blender yeah I mean I can kind [TS]

00:09:59   of blender ever really be empty I mean [TS]

00:10:01   the very if you're an ice cube or a tea [TS]

00:10:03   bag and you go and you go in a blender [TS]

00:10:07   okay you've got to be conscious of those [TS]

00:10:09   blades even if they're not hooked up to [TS]

00:10:12   the blender treat to every firearm like [TS]

00:10:14   it's loaded that's exactly it [TS]

00:10:16   I can't kid to understand that concept [TS]

00:10:20   like play with a bunch of unloaded [TS]

00:10:22   firearms and I'm like yeah no I got a [TS]

00:10:25   wrist rocket that I have to have not put [TS]

00:10:27   into production yet and she really likes [TS]

00:10:28   to play with it I'm really trying to [TS]

00:10:30   persuade her to not play with the wrist [TS]

00:10:31   rocket she'd like to play with it in the [TS]

00:10:33   house well it's not loaded but it is if [TS]

00:10:36   you imagine you may this is a really [TS]

00:10:37   really nice wrist rocket [TS]

00:10:39   it's got like surgical tubing and it's [TS]

00:10:40   got a compound crossbow type component [TS]

00:10:43   to it and I member serves I think it has [TS]

00:10:46   a camo grip what is your imagined use [TS]

00:10:50   for this high-tech wrist [TS]

00:10:53   I loved wrist rockets as a kid and I was [TS]

00:10:56   very destructive with them and that was [TS]

00:10:58   that was something I think actually it [TS]

00:11:00   was somebody got it for me as a gift off [TS]

00:11:01   my Amazon list and I had not put it into [TS]

00:11:04   production yet I'm imagining my daughter [TS]

00:11:05   will and I will go into the woods and we [TS]

00:11:07   will bond we're not gonna hide four [TS]

00:11:09   things because nothing sadder than [TS]

00:11:10   winning a bird you know it's true [TS]

00:11:13   did you do it don't don't points this [TS]

00:11:16   number - don't point it don't point [TS]

00:11:18   anything in any anyone you know unless [TS]

00:11:21   you're trying to kill it yeah unless [TS]

00:11:22   you're gonna send a marble up its ass [TS]

00:11:25   did you gut did you get good at risk [TS]

00:11:28   rocket it sounds like you did I get [TS]

00:11:29   pretty good at rest rocket I I was [TS]

00:11:31   pretty good those kinds of peasant [TS]

00:11:33   weapons you get you get the capoeira you [TS]

00:11:36   get the bo staff you get all the stuff [TS]

00:11:38   like oh-ho yeah you know the the guy who [TS]

00:11:41   owns all the land says you're not [TS]

00:11:42   allowed to learn how to fight so you got [TS]

00:11:43   to come up with all these like like hey [TS]

00:11:44   I got a pitchfork or whatever I was good [TS]

00:11:46   with that I was good at snapping towels [TS]

00:11:48   I was great in shooting paper clips from [TS]

00:11:50   rubber bands [TS]

00:11:51   I could shoot I was really good at [TS]

00:11:53   shooting McDonald's coffee stirrers with [TS]

00:11:55   a rubber band [TS]

00:11:56   pretty much all of the ad hoc child [TS]

00:11:59   weapons I was pretty good at I could [TS]

00:12:02   have been on some kind of a Ocean's [TS]

00:12:04   eleven team I think so like how about [TS]

00:12:08   spit balls pretty good with spitballs [TS]

00:12:11   you're talking like with a straw spit [TS]

00:12:13   balls with a strong spit balls as a [TS]

00:12:15   weapon any kind of Oh like yeah it's a [TS]

00:12:17   weapon of annoyance obviously but yeah I [TS]

00:12:19   mean but like when you're lonely [TS]

00:12:20   everything is fun so I just sit in the [TS]

00:12:23   room and just spot on the wall with them [TS]

00:12:24   can you imagine an Ocean's eleven [TS]

00:12:27   scenario where there's like the the [TS]

00:12:30   peasant peasant weapons kid and there's [TS]

00:12:32   some button all the way across the room [TS]

00:12:34   and everybody's like how do we get to [TS]

00:12:36   the button like the alarm or whatever be [TS]

00:12:38   like it's sharp and it can't be a bullet [TS]

00:12:41   what do we have that's hard but soft and [TS]

00:12:43   can be shot from a distance by somebody [TS]

00:12:45   who's some kind of a genius with [TS]

00:12:46   accuracy yeah and we couldn't get in [TS]

00:12:49   here with anything metal because of the [TS]

00:12:50   metal detectors and then the kid pulls [TS]

00:12:52   out the straw and it's just like leave [TS]

00:12:54   it to me his name's Steven he never [TS]

00:12:56   talks and then does it yeah how about [TS]

00:13:00   did you did you have the did you make [TS]

00:13:02   wooden guns with with like paperclip or [TS]

00:13:06   like [TS]

00:13:06   go close they write know that girls like [TS]

00:13:10   a Boy Scout kind of thing right yeah [TS]

00:13:11   yeah I don't think I ever did you like [TS]

00:13:14   to set things on fire is that right I [TS]

00:13:16   was a pyro yeah and I was always trying [TS]

00:13:19   to I was always trying to use household [TS]

00:13:21   items to make bombs or napalm yeah and I [TS]

00:13:26   didn't really you made homemade homemade [TS]

00:13:28   napalm I did yeah [TS]

00:13:31   and you know it's not that hard to make [TS]

00:13:33   there are a lot of different recipes for [TS]

00:13:35   it it's not safe no I mean it's not [TS]

00:13:38   napalm isn't gonna spontaneously explode [TS]

00:13:40   but if it does get on you you're in it's [TS]

00:13:44   harder to get off that's the that's why [TS]

00:13:45   yeah so they do it's why they call that [TS]

00:13:48   napalm mm-hmm look at jelly gasoline is [TS]

00:13:53   the idea yeah it's like gasoline with [TS]

00:13:55   any kind of laundry detergent or you [TS]

00:14:00   know I was making malt off bills all the [TS]

00:14:02   time and trying to figure out what the [TS]

00:14:03   best recipe for those was and I know I [TS]

00:14:06   guess partly it's growing up in a rural [TS]

00:14:08   or semi-rural area where a kid can go [TS]

00:14:13   out into the into the acre forested lot [TS]

00:14:17   in between the two apartment complexes [TS]

00:14:19   and just start fires all day and yeah [TS]

00:14:22   nobody ever that was back when nobody [TS]

00:14:24   ever like went up to a kid and said what [TS]

00:14:27   are you doing kid it was just like oh [TS]

00:14:29   yeah I've just over here starting fires [TS]

00:14:31   and there were adults around they drove [TS]

00:14:34   by they drove by and could see the [TS]

00:14:36   bonfires I was great citizens I just [TS]

00:14:39   picture what it must have looked like me [TS]

00:14:42   like like stirring a big cauldron of you [TS]

00:14:45   would be in a special school so freakin [TS]

00:14:47   fast today yeah I would I mean and who [TS]

00:14:53   wasn't cool who's the guy who found [TS]

00:14:54   stuff in your locker was disappointed [TS]

00:14:56   jackal FIR disappointed by that point in [TS]

00:15:00   time I was in high school but this is [TS]

00:15:02   all stuff that I would I've told you [TS]

00:15:03   before right though being a latchkey kid [TS]

00:15:06   was its own kind of like joy and also [TS]

00:15:14   psychic punishment none of my friends [TS]

00:15:17   were latchkey kids they all came home [TS]

00:15:19   and their mom [TS]

00:15:19   was there mm-hmm and she had little [TS]

00:15:21   sandwiches for them and then there was [TS]

00:15:23   TV time and disc hits and I got home and [TS]

00:15:28   at my mom's house you know I carry the [TS]

00:15:30   key around my neck on a piece of red [TS]

00:15:32   yarn just a single key [TS]

00:15:37   my dad didn't lock his house so [TS]

00:15:41   depending on whose house I went to after [TS]

00:15:43   school you know I'd go in and then it [TS]

00:15:45   was like okay entertain yourself for the [TS]

00:15:49   rest of the day and I would do a lot of [TS]

00:15:50   things that I imagined were scientific I [TS]

00:15:52   mean even involved like mixing things [TS]

00:15:54   together laundry detergents seeing how [TS]

00:15:56   much stuff I could flush down the toilet [TS]

00:15:58   did you ever go through a phase like [TS]

00:15:59   that no I was I I was always toilet [TS]

00:16:02   reverse did you have did you did you [TS]

00:16:07   have a like junior science kit no John [TS]

00:16:12   did and I envied it a little bit but and [TS]

00:16:15   this was even back in the day when you [TS]

00:16:16   could make little explosions and stuff I [TS]

00:16:17   think I I liked again once again I like [TS]

00:16:20   the beakers and a cam I think with some [TS]

00:16:22   tweezers and a dropper maybe some [TS]

00:16:25   reagent whatever that is all the science [TS]

00:16:28   things that you did you have stuff like [TS]

00:16:30   that that did that appeal to you [TS]

00:16:33   the science kit was like the book and [TS]

00:16:36   and devices that tried to teach you how [TS]

00:16:40   to do magic mm-hmm [TS]

00:16:41   I loved people would give me like junior [TS]

00:16:44   magician kid or junior scientist kit and [TS]

00:16:46   like you I loved the beakers I loved the [TS]

00:16:49   little hollow coins and the foam balls [TS]

00:16:52   and the rings and you put out microfilm [TS]

00:16:54   in there all that stuff but what I [TS]

00:16:57   didn't love was reading the instructions [TS]

00:17:00   and I didn't love going through I think [TS]

00:17:06   one reason I despised magicians today is [TS]

00:17:08   because I had such a difficult time [TS]

00:17:10   trying to make the cup of balls happen [TS]

00:17:13   it was you know or the coin where you [TS]

00:17:16   got to do the sleight of hand work and [TS]

00:17:17   all that kind of stuff you know being a [TS]

00:17:20   magician is I have always felt like it's [TS]

00:17:23   an example kind of like being a really [TS]

00:17:24   good guitar player or really good at [TS]

00:17:26   anything all of those things require the [TS]

00:17:30   yeah that weird that weird feeling where [TS]

00:17:34   you envy someone for what must have been [TS]

00:17:37   a really boring young life and you envy [TS]

00:17:43   them their anxiety or whatever it was [TS]

00:17:46   that that that that drove them to sit [TS]

00:17:49   and play six hours a day [TS]

00:17:53   loneliness combined with like obsessive [TS]

00:17:57   nature and the curiosity combined with [TS]

00:18:00   the willingness and time frame to be [TS]

00:18:02   able to practice this for hours and [TS]

00:18:03   hours and hours until it seemed like a [TS]

00:18:04   normal thing it's crazy because you look [TS]

00:18:06   at Ricky Jay there you go this guy I [TS]

00:18:09   watch him all day I love him so much but [TS]

00:18:13   to get that good at cards and stay that [TS]

00:18:16   good at cards you would have to be so [TS]

00:18:21   different from me mmm-hmm and and and to [TS]

00:18:26   do it just seems like murder I bet he [TS]

00:18:28   never thinks about toilet paper the way [TS]

00:18:30   they make it look in those mini movies [TS]

00:18:32   I've seen about him is that he just sits [TS]

00:18:33   in a hotel room and like basically just [TS]

00:18:35   shuffles cards for six hours a day [TS]

00:18:36   that's just like it he does yeah which [TS]

00:18:39   is which is great you know considering [TS]

00:18:42   like there are a lot of people that sit [TS]

00:18:43   in a hotel room and just bite their [TS]

00:18:45   fingernails or or I mean it's it'd be [TS]

00:18:48   great to have a thing that you swatch [TS]

00:18:49   was chopped yeah but but as someone who [TS]

00:18:55   didn't have that kind of patience or [TS]

00:18:58   makeup and and I think part of it and [TS]

00:19:01   probably as he's doing it his mind is [TS]

00:19:04   elsewhere but I I always had what I [TS]

00:19:08   consider to be the advantage of being [TS]

00:19:12   able to sit for long periods of time and [TS]

00:19:14   just stare at a spot on the wall I [TS]

00:19:17   always thought I always felt like in [TS]

00:19:19   some ways that was my superpower because [TS]

00:19:21   I never got bored I could just you could [TS]

00:19:22   just sit me somewhere and turn my chair [TS]

00:19:25   facing the corner and I would just drift [TS]

00:19:28   off into a world of make-believe ding [TS]

00:19:31   ding said of mr. Rogers reference yeah [TS]

00:19:38   Lady Elaine and I would stay I would sit [TS]

00:19:41   in my land of make-believe until [TS]

00:19:43   something some [TS]

00:19:44   times someone had to come and actually [TS]

00:19:45   shake me because from across the room [TS]

00:19:47   they'd been saying John John and I was [TS]

00:19:49   just a thousand miles away I used to [TS]

00:19:52   really worry my dad but my mom was very [TS]

00:19:55   protective of it I think because her dad [TS]

00:19:58   was like that mm-hmm so I was just [TS]

00:20:00   sitting staring out the window and I [TS]

00:20:01   didn't need couldn't I it was so much [TS]

00:20:05   more preferable to do that than it would [TS]

00:20:07   have been to be manipulating cards or [TS]

00:20:09   reading instruction manuals but but now [TS]

00:20:13   I see it as kind of like oh that was [TS]

00:20:17   maybe a disadvantage in that all all [TS]

00:20:19   that does is train you to well either [TS]

00:20:23   train you to do that or like it makes [TS]

00:20:27   your land of make-believe very real to [TS]

00:20:30   you is it possible that these are [TS]

00:20:32   different flavors of a young person [TS]

00:20:35   dealing with young demon dogs we're like [TS]

00:20:37   you discover like I was not cut out for [TS]

00:20:40   magic because I don't have the patience [TS]

00:20:42   or the dexterity or really to be honest [TS]

00:20:43   the interest but for somebody else like [TS]

00:20:45   I'm like a Ricky J or like like my [TS]

00:20:48   friend Jaime like somebody who will just [TS]

00:20:49   sit there and like every spare moment [TS]

00:20:52   they'll be like there's a coin in their [TS]

00:20:53   hand or there's a card in their hand [TS]

00:20:55   it's it's more like a lifestyle right [TS]

00:20:58   for you that might be conjuring a [TS]

00:20:59   fireball or looking at a window or [TS]

00:21:01   playing World War two again like but I [TS]

00:21:03   wonder if in some ways like we you find [TS]

00:21:05   an accommodation for your for your [TS]

00:21:06   little your your demon puppies I think [TS]

00:21:09   so I mean you think about kids that [TS]

00:21:11   suffering from anxiety there are a lot [TS]

00:21:13   of them and you know rather than sit and [TS]

00:21:16   fidget with your thumbnail until you [TS]

00:21:19   don't have a thumbnail anymore if you [TS]

00:21:21   could put cards in that kid's hand and [TS]

00:21:23   say like just do the cards I think [TS]

00:21:27   probably people self-soothe a lot like [TS]

00:21:30   that and my self-soothing yeah was there [TS]

00:21:33   was a lot of world war do okay and the [TS]

00:21:36   fire the burning I'm sure there's been [TS]

00:21:40   plenty of like science around pyromaniac [TS]

00:21:46   kids I didn't want to hurt anybody I [TS]

00:21:49   didn't want to burn out of control fires [TS]

00:21:51   I loved keeping the fire under control [TS]

00:21:53   there's a lot [TS]

00:21:55   I don't think it's just as simple as [TS]

00:21:56   like oh you're a psycho bed-wetter like [TS]

00:21:59   calcula kid who sets fires there's like [TS]

00:22:01   you say they're the element control [TS]

00:22:03   there's the element of like [TS]

00:22:04   theatricality there's there's a lot to [TS]

00:22:06   it I would dig pits [TS]

00:22:08   I would I would slip down I mean I would [TS]

00:22:12   go through people I'd find like an open [TS]

00:22:15   garage and I'd go in there and I would [TS]

00:22:17   find everything that said flammable on [TS]

00:22:18   it and I would collect an armload of of [TS]

00:22:22   different stuff right different kinds of [TS]

00:22:25   flavors of things and I would go see [TS]

00:22:26   what how they burned and what happened [TS]

00:22:29   if you put them together did they burn [TS]

00:22:31   differently and the colors that they [TS]

00:22:33   made and I loved aerosol stuff because [TS]

00:22:37   just give you some right guard and a [TS]

00:22:39   lighter that's living but I often did it [TS]

00:22:46   I often would just sit in the house my [TS]

00:22:49   dad had one of those fireplaces that was [TS]

00:22:52   you could flick a switch and some fire [TS]

00:22:55   would come like a gas gasp a gas [TS]

00:22:57   fireplace but it but you could put logs [TS]

00:23:00   in it to cool the gas was kind of a fire [TS]

00:23:06   starter maybe you'd put some logs in [TS]

00:23:08   turn on the flip the switch and it would [TS]

00:23:09   start a fire for this episode of [TS]

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00:25:05   that's a controlled environment you got [TS]

00:25:06   it you got a pit that you can live with [TS]

00:25:07   there it was nice I would and I was home [TS]

00:25:10   alone you know after school and I would [TS]

00:25:12   sit there sometimes with spray paint [TS]

00:25:13   which also is a great flame thrower and [TS]

00:25:17   I would just light the spray paint and [TS]

00:25:19   just blow it into the fireplace just [TS]

00:25:22   like and and looking at that now in my [TS]

00:25:27   imagination it seems a little crazy I [TS]

00:25:30   think about some I was such a safe unday [TS]

00:25:34   ngerous non-threatening good kid but I [TS]

00:25:37   think just just the toilet alone I'm [TS]

00:25:39   terrified of what could happen to our [TS]

00:25:41   toilet just because I think about oh [TS]

00:25:43   please be careful with what you put down [TS]

00:25:44   the toilet cuz now you know I'm an old [TS]

00:25:47   man and it's my obligation to think [TS]

00:25:48   about what we put in the toilet [TS]

00:25:49   I used to ruin the toilet I put so many [TS]

00:25:51   things in the toilets just a little to [TS]

00:25:53   see what will it accommodate a sponge [TS]

00:25:54   like I would just do that oh wow a [TS]

00:25:56   sponge minor recoils you put things in [TS]

00:26:01   there and it just goes away but the nice [TS]

00:26:03   thing about your dad's gas fire [TS]

00:26:05   situation is you've already it's got its [TS]

00:26:07   own little I'm not a crucible but it's [TS]

00:26:09   AB it's a fire resistant area so you're [TS]

00:26:12   a safe space but when he came home at [TS]

00:26:14   night I can't imagine what like residue [TS]

00:26:19   in terms of smell and other just [TS]

00:26:22   like the just the poly fluorocarbons in [TS]

00:26:24   the air chlorofluorocarbons he walks in [TS]

00:26:28   the door and his sons been been burning [TS]

00:26:31   gold spray paint in the fireplace all [TS]

00:26:34   afternoon what does that smell like what [TS]

00:26:38   is that what are the what are the [TS]

00:26:39   psychic reverberations in the air of [TS]

00:26:41   that oh yeah when I come in the house I [TS]

00:26:44   can tell if my daughter's been doing [TS]

00:26:46   like nail stuff like it soon as I open [TS]

00:26:48   the door I'm super sensitive like what [TS]

00:26:49   is that that benzene we got a link [TS]

00:26:51   what's going on in here what's what's [TS]

00:26:53   like 50s dad all of a sudden yeah I you [TS]

00:26:57   know okay so what's funny is life right [TS]

00:26:59   if you're just if one were to say to me [TS]

00:27:00   I know you're not but if one were to say [TS]

00:27:01   to me did you ever play with matches my [TS]

00:27:04   mind would instantly like I would do the [TS]

00:27:07   heads up scan and I would go no I didn't [TS]

00:27:09   play with matches because you say so [TS]

00:27:10   many plays with matches it's somebody [TS]

00:27:12   who goes and sets fires right that's [TS]

00:27:14   somebody who's eight as they say a [TS]

00:27:15   pyromaniac in the usual sense I'll tell [TS]

00:27:18   you though dead honest I didn't [TS]

00:27:20   generally play with matches I very [TS]

00:27:22   specifically played with matches if I'm [TS]

00:27:25   honest I liked taking a match and then [TS]

00:27:28   taking another match you'd like one [TS]

00:27:29   match and then you'd like the other [TS]

00:27:31   match from the first match then you [TS]

00:27:33   could make a little teepee you can make [TS]

00:27:35   a little teepee with all the little [TS]

00:27:36   little fiery parts all together at the [TS]

00:27:39   top that might be ping pong you like the [TS]

00:27:41   bottom of the teepee and guess what you [TS]

00:27:43   get wasn't that sad it's fine when you [TS]

00:27:46   get up and I say one time at our [TS]

00:27:49   restaurant I was killing time over the [TS]

00:27:51   anklet room and the in the side room we [TS]

00:27:54   used for for catered affairs and yeah I [TS]

00:27:56   had a big big ball of fire and an [TS]

00:27:59   ashtray shattered and then everyone came [TS]

00:28:01   running in yeah maybe maybe you should [TS]

00:28:05   be a busboy or something cuz this the [TS]

00:28:07   fire in the restaurant situation this [TS]

00:28:13   was in a time for our younger listeners [TS]

00:28:18   there were cigarette machines everywhere [TS]

00:28:20   everywhere matches matches matches and [TS]

00:28:23   toothpicks matches in toothpicks [TS]

00:28:24   everywhere you go all the matches you [TS]

00:28:26   could ever want all the matches you [TS]

00:28:27   could want and cigarette machines also [TS]

00:28:29   often the deluxe ones had a button on [TS]

00:28:32   them that if you bought a pack of [TS]

00:28:34   cigarettes and you push the [TS]

00:28:36   it would also give you a pack of matches [TS]

00:28:38   like a little fold over paper Jesus that [TS]

00:28:43   had the logo of the of the bar well huh [TS]

00:28:45   and most people who bought a pack of [TS]

00:28:48   cigarettes did not also need a pack of [TS]

00:28:51   matches because they had fancy lighters [TS]

00:28:53   from Vietnam and so as a kid who was in [TS]

00:28:59   and out of bars a lot because of my [TS]

00:29:02   father and the fact that he didn't have [TS]

00:29:05   clear boundaries [TS]

00:29:06   well his work anytime I saw a cigarette [TS]

00:29:10   machine I would walk over find the [TS]

00:29:12   button and push it did you find yourself [TS]

00:29:14   having to kill time in a bar oh I was [TS]

00:29:17   constantly killing time in bar got to [TS]

00:29:18   talk about this okay so you get the free [TS]

00:29:21   matches that somebody left behind yeah [TS]

00:29:23   go get the free matches I would go you [TS]

00:29:25   know I've told you before right then I [TS]

00:29:27   would I'd go grab a barstool and ask the [TS]

00:29:29   bartender for a shot of whipped cream [TS]

00:29:30   and you know 80% of the time the [TS]

00:29:36   bartender and the person sitting next to [TS]

00:29:38   me on a barstool thought it was great [TS]

00:29:39   and the bartender bring me a shot of [TS]

00:29:41   whipped cream and then you know it's [TS]

00:29:43   kind of like putting peanut butter in a [TS]

00:29:44   Kong you can't just get whipped cream [TS]

00:29:49   out of a shot quest that easily that [TS]

00:29:52   John might be a golden retriever [TS]

00:29:54   [Music] [TS]

00:29:58   grown-ups thought that was great and [TS]

00:30:00   then somebody would bring me a basket of [TS]

00:30:02   peanuts or popcorn and but you know [TS]

00:30:05   there that was in an era when nobody [TS]

00:30:07   felt it was their responsibility to mind [TS]

00:30:09   somebody else's kids so after a while [TS]

00:30:11   I'd get bored I climbed down off the [TS]

00:30:12   barstool it's terrible wandering around [TS]

00:30:14   the bar trying doorknobs yeah oh I'm a [TS]

00:30:16   big dude I'm still a big doorknob Trier [TS]

00:30:18   you always try I always try a doorknob [TS]

00:30:21   goes where it leads it may lead into [TS]

00:30:24   fuckin area it could be not it could [TS]

00:30:27   just it's an invitation to mystery and [TS]

00:30:29   you'll never know you lose every [TS]

00:30:31   doorknob you don't try I try to get my [TS]

00:30:33   daughter to understand this I really [TS]

00:30:34   like woods well the phrase we use for it [TS]

00:30:36   I call it quote breaking into things so [TS]

00:30:38   we like to like places with his offense [TS]

00:30:40   I'm super into crawling under the fence [TS]

00:30:42   geez now that she's older she doesn't [TS]

00:30:44   like it she's scared she'll get in [TS]

00:30:45   trouble I'm still super into breaking [TS]

00:30:48   into the local high school and trying [TS]

00:30:49   every door [TS]

00:30:49   and seeing what room we can get into [TS]

00:30:51   because somebody's always you think this [TS]

00:30:53   coach you know those coaches are making [TS]

00:30:54   they leave so many things unlocked they [TS]

00:30:57   do there's so many you can get one day [TS]

00:30:59   we got in under the stands one day we [TS]

00:31:00   got in with the weightlifting equipment [TS]

00:31:01   one day we got in where they keep the [TS]

00:31:03   shot puts oh my god I love a doorknob my [TS]

00:31:06   eyes I'm in a hotel I'm walking around [TS]

00:31:08   we state the hotel over Thanksgiving [TS]

00:31:10   that was brand brand new hotel in [TS]

00:31:12   Sacramento I tried every doorknob it's [TS]

00:31:14   amazing how weak the security is on a [TS]

00:31:16   new hotel fuck yeah you go right into [TS]

00:31:19   you go right into a hotel room you just [TS]

00:31:20   walking anywhere in that area where it [TS]

00:31:22   says no entry that's usually not lock [TS]

00:31:23   now what the keycard thing it's gotten [TS]

00:31:25   more complicated but a lot of times they [TS]

00:31:27   just leave that open and then you see [TS]

00:31:28   their sheets and they're you going - oh [TS]

00:31:29   my god there's an elevator here I didn't [TS]

00:31:30   know about that's good to know [TS]

00:31:32   now you know there's an elevator there I [TS]

00:31:33   spent that when keycards first got [TS]

00:31:35   introduced a friend of mine and I were [TS]

00:31:37   in a hotel that had brand-new keycard [TS]

00:31:39   you know locks we were just trying [TS]

00:31:42   doorknobs door opened it was into a [TS]

00:31:44   hotel room we went in there and started [TS]

00:31:46   ordering room service and watching cable [TS]

00:31:47   TV and they brought us food to the room [TS]

00:31:51   because I guess the the room service [TS]

00:31:52   there weren't computers exactly or like [TS]

00:31:55   not all hooked together now when you [TS]

00:31:56   pick up the phone they go mr. Roderick [TS]

00:31:58   in 1:03 floor well how can I help you [TS]

00:32:00   today but then it was like can we get [TS]

00:32:02   two pizzas two room you know for 74 and [TS]

00:32:05   I mean we were definitely like sitting [TS]

00:32:06   on the edge of the bed waiting like that [TS]

00:32:09   we were in a state of mild panic the [TS]

00:32:11   whole time like what are they gonna find [TS]

00:32:12   us when are we gonna get busted but we [TS]

00:32:14   never did and eventually we we we [TS]

00:32:17   worried about the house dick some of the [TS]

00:32:19   house dick to come get you well but it [TS]

00:32:21   was like a Sheraton thanks probably but [TS]

00:32:25   the thing that the thing that I think [TS]

00:32:27   it's hard to convey is that in the 70s [TS]

00:32:32   and the early 80s there was a lot of [TS]

00:32:36   stuff left over from the 50s [TS]

00:32:39   everywhere because this 80s made the 50s [TS]

00:32:42   look like this one and you know there [TS]

00:32:46   hadn't been a tremendous in downtown [TS]

00:32:50   areas especially there hadn't been a [TS]

00:32:51   tremendous like urban renewal or [TS]

00:32:56   revitalization like old buildings were [TS]

00:32:58   old and if he if you tried enough doors [TS]

00:33:02   like [TS]

00:33:03   you would find the civil-defense bomb [TS]

00:33:05   shelter door and you would find the big [TS]

00:33:08   bins of old flowers if you just made it [TS]

00:33:13   into an old storeroom nobody counts [TS]

00:33:15   what's in the storeroom they just don't [TS]

00:33:17   want to see it out in the non storeroom [TS]

00:33:18   area you go in the you know how much [TS]

00:33:19   shit there could be in a storeroom that [TS]

00:33:21   you could play with there were things in [TS]

00:33:23   there that were 40 50 years old he would [TS]

00:33:25   find like just stuff leaning in the [TS]

00:33:27   corner even in the early 80s it was [TS]

00:33:30   still kind of the 50s in a lot of places [TS]

00:33:32   especially in like places like [TS]

00:33:33   restaurants and bars it was like a time [TS]

00:33:35   capsule [TS]

00:33:36   it really was he'd find you know like [TS]

00:33:38   you'd go back in some storeroom it's [TS]

00:33:39   like oh look it's a 48 star flag like [TS]

00:33:42   they took this flag down in 1950 put it [TS]

00:33:45   rolled it up and put it in the corner [TS]

00:33:46   and and there's you know space was cheap [TS]

00:33:50   so I mean I got a lot of education by [TS]

00:33:54   just trying doorknobs because you know [TS]

00:33:57   well like store rooms that had office [TS]

00:33:59   supplies store rooms that had just mops [TS]

00:34:03   in buckets but the mops were old mom's [TS]

00:34:06   like they were think they were hafsat [TS]

00:34:08   yeah mom said you kind of wanted to be [TS]

00:34:10   with because they were they felt like [TS]

00:34:13   like adult stuff like look at these mobs [TS]

00:34:17   like this is what grown-ups know about [TS]

00:34:19   mops and files and I mean when when when [TS]

00:34:25   Watergate was going on I was just old [TS]

00:34:29   enough to be kind of in the room while [TS]

00:34:32   the TV was on and it was a lot that's [TS]

00:34:34   some people I sure was people were [TS]

00:34:36   talking about it a lot and this idea of [TS]

00:34:39   these burglars but they weren't like the [TS]

00:34:42   Pink Panther they weren't there to steal [TS]

00:34:45   a diamond they like went in and we're [TS]

00:34:48   going through files files and and the [TS]

00:34:51   enduring image I saw I saw the movie [TS]

00:34:53   yeah no probably junior high or high [TS]

00:34:54   school but the enduring image for me was [TS]

00:34:56   when the cop rolls up in the in the [TS]

00:34:58   beginning to the garage not the cop the [TS]

00:35:00   a security guard notices what would he [TS]

00:35:02   notice they put the tape the tape on the [TS]

00:35:05   door tape on the doors like that [TS]

00:35:07   so fucking smart the number of times [TS]

00:35:11   I've put tape on a door in emulation of [TS]

00:35:13   G gordon liddy I can't even tell you and [TS]

00:35:16   that's you know and I learned sometime [TS]

00:35:18   after that probably I must have been [TS]

00:35:21   nine or ten when someone taught me how [TS]

00:35:24   to jigger a latch with a credit credit [TS]

00:35:27   card yeah and for a long long time you [TS]

00:35:30   could get into sixty percent of the [TS]

00:35:32   doors between I'll tell you buddy I [TS]

00:35:34   don't even say this I think the times [TS]

00:35:36   the change is probably safe to say this [TS]

00:35:37   now something rigid but a little [TS]

00:35:39   flexible like a credit card and a paper [TS]

00:35:42   clip almost every house in America every [TS]

00:35:44   door in every house in America could be [TS]

00:35:46   unlock with a paper clip paper clip or [TS]

00:35:48   up or in in in my case it was we had [TS]

00:35:53   seasons passes for to the ski resort [TS]

00:35:54   starting when I was seven or eight and [TS]

00:35:57   there so you didn't have to slide in [TS]

00:35:58   yeah you had a little laminated card [TS]

00:36:01   that you could that you carrying around [TS]

00:36:03   all the time then you could like pop [TS]

00:36:07   doors and yeah I didn't I never stole [TS]

00:36:09   anything I mean I never stole anything [TS]

00:36:11   that seems that seemed like anybody was [TS]

00:36:15   using it I mean obviously like half half [TS]

00:36:17   of a cannibal paint and some some paper [TS]

00:36:21   clips or file folders or whatever empty [TS]

00:36:23   file folders I would liberate those [TS]

00:36:25   sometimes in the in the process of a [TS]

00:36:27   game right if I was like if I'd broken [TS]

00:36:29   into a storage closet and I was [TS]

00:36:32   pretending to be the Watergate burglars [TS]

00:36:34   and I would steal a couple file and then [TS]

00:36:39   oh I always think about this the other [TS]

00:36:40   day I was driving downtown and I looked [TS]

00:36:42   over at a building and it was one of [TS]

00:36:45   those office buildings from the 1930s [TS]

00:36:49   that now you kind of don't see them [TS]

00:36:53   because when you're in a downtown the [TS]

00:36:56   buildings that are most visible are are [TS]

00:36:59   all these skyscrapers and everybody [TS]

00:37:01   trying to you know have like an arcade [TS]

00:37:03   and the downstairs and and then then [TS]

00:37:06   they're the the iconic buildings the [TS]

00:37:09   beautiful ones but in the thirties and [TS]

00:37:11   forties they built a lot of middle [TS]

00:37:14   height [TS]

00:37:14   20-story imposing office buildings [TS]

00:37:19   but that are and they're made out of [TS]

00:37:21   stone or brick or you know they're not [TS]

00:37:25   they're not metal in glass and I was [TS]

00:37:28   driving past one of these and they have [TS]

00:37:31   very distinctive vibe and all of a [TS]

00:37:33   sudden I could just smell it in there I [TS]

00:37:35   knew those buildings so well because my [TS]

00:37:38   dad was in government mm-hmm and we were [TS]

00:37:40   always going into these buildings and [TS]

00:37:42   you know those buildings are incredible [TS]

00:37:43   like this the stairwells are all the [TS]

00:37:46   step the stair steps are marble even [TS]

00:37:49   even not the formal stairs but like the [TS]

00:37:51   back stairs the the railings are brass [TS]

00:37:55   the the doors are solid oak leather [TS]

00:37:59   there's only restrooms well the quality [TS]

00:38:03   of restrooms used to be crazy so [TS]

00:38:06   phenomenal like the the the dividers [TS]

00:38:09   between stalls were giant slabs of [TS]

00:38:11   polished marble inna left and you know [TS]

00:38:14   and that's the sound of of people [TS]

00:38:16   walking in the halls and those buildings [TS]

00:38:19   back when every woman was in high heels [TS]

00:38:21   and every man had leather-soled shoes so [TS]

00:38:24   you'd stand in those places and [TS]

00:38:26   government buildings and just hear this [TS]

00:38:27   like clack clack clack everybody knew [TS]

00:38:29   that serious adult business was getting [TS]

00:38:30   done yeah people were snapping their [TS]

00:38:33   their their shoes I remember when I [TS]

00:38:36   first had a pair of shoes that that like [TS]

00:38:39   made that slap slap slap sound on marble [TS]

00:38:41   I didn't talk talk talk with like a hard [TS]

00:38:42   heel yeah I felt so adult I bought a [TS]

00:38:45   pair of shoes like that claw with Tom [TS]

00:38:47   Waits shoes I bought those at a goodwill [TS]

00:38:49   probably 1985 and boy I felt very [TS]

00:38:51   decisive yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:53   do you ever was when somebody addresses [TS]

00:38:56   you do you ever click your heels oh I [TS]

00:39:00   would I should I should do that it is [TS]

00:39:02   that kind of an Austrian thing that's [TS]

00:39:04   Christoph Waltz kind of young to do yeah [TS]

00:39:08   I could see you doing that I got in the [TS]

00:39:11   habit of clicking my heels sometimes [TS]

00:39:12   when when someone addressed me with like [TS]

00:39:15   hey can you help me over here you know [TS]

00:39:16   like when when there was an air of [TS]

00:39:19   authority or finality to what somebody [TS]

00:39:21   was saying I would kind of like if the [TS]

00:39:24   if the expected reply for me was yes or [TS]

00:39:26   at your service brass or something if [TS]

00:39:29   I'm holding a door for somebody to huh [TS]

00:39:32   and click by here it's not it's not a [TS]

00:39:35   thing that people do anymore and I feel [TS]

00:39:37   like it has a little it's a it there's a [TS]

00:39:39   militaristic aspect to it there's a [TS]

00:39:41   there's a long arc of history that bends [TS]

00:39:42   toward you eventually being called [TS]

00:39:44   Commodore I think you're not far off [TS]

00:39:49   from just wearing a captain's hat all [TS]

00:39:50   the time thing about a Commodore you [TS]

00:39:52   know that's um zen l ron hubbard well [TS]

00:39:55   it's a kind of weird rank I'm looking at [TS]

00:39:58   because it's because it's not a rank [TS]

00:39:59   it's a it's an office oh look at that [TS]

00:40:03   the president ok says a naval officer of [TS]

00:40:06   high rank in particular an officer in [TS]

00:40:08   the u.s. Navy or Coast Guard ranking [TS]

00:40:09   above captain and below Rear Admiral [TS]

00:40:11   the president also bullet one the [TS]

00:40:14   president of a yacht club or the senior [TS]

00:40:16   captain of a shipping line a whole Wow [TS]

00:40:21   dress for the job you want John so even [TS]

00:40:23   in the Navy senior captain of a ship how [TS]

00:40:26   fun for you to be the senior captain of [TS]

00:40:28   a shipping line well I think that's what [TS]

00:40:30   what the Hazelwood was or like the [TS]

00:40:34   senior captain of a shipping line but [TS]

00:40:36   you've got to be good at the sea oh you [TS]

00:40:38   can probably get pretty good at the sea [TS]

00:40:40   I feel like getting good at the sea is [TS]

00:40:42   like getting good at card so you have to [TS]

00:40:43   have been getting good at the sea girl [TS]

00:40:45   you're getting the right kind of lonely [TS]

00:40:46   with the right timing but you've been on [TS]

00:40:47   a lot of cruises yeah but I don't think [TS]

00:40:50   that has anything to do with getting [TS]

00:40:51   good at the sea I mean I I love to sit [TS]

00:40:53   and look at the sea but when I get close [TS]

00:40:56   to the sea the sea you know the sea like [TS]

00:41:00   has a very low hum yeah the sea is oh [TS]

00:41:06   the sea is see stuff it's a that's a [TS]

00:41:10   that's a tough opponent it is it is the [TS]

00:41:13   sea the sea sea not care know about you [TS]

00:41:19   they try you throw throw a gallon of [TS]

00:41:22   water at somebody really hard it kind of [TS]

00:41:24   hurts and that's just one gallon right [TS]

00:41:27   you know I'm saying think about think [TS]

00:41:28   about how many gallons are in the seat [TS]

00:41:30   like 100 it's gotta be at least 60 or 80 [TS]

00:41:32   there's so many gallons in there so [TS]

00:41:35   let's see Commodore I like Commodore [TS]

00:41:36   also because Commodore extract Smee is [TS]

00:41:38   the kind of thing we're like you know [TS]

00:41:40   you can get like a [TS]

00:41:42   what is it when they give you an [TS]

00:41:44   honorary Doctorate Commodore seemed like [TS]

00:41:47   a rank that somebody could convey on you [TS]

00:41:49   it's exactly right it's exactly right I [TS]

00:41:51   mean are you familiar with the Kentucky [TS]

00:41:53   Colonels yes I've known some Kentucky [TS]

00:41:55   Colonels have you mm-hmm I don't know [TS]

00:41:57   what tone about it but yeah I mean might [TS]

00:41:58   we're from Cincinnati the part of [TS]

00:42:00   Cincinnati that's basically Kentucky [TS]

00:42:01   yeah yeah absolutely [TS]

00:42:03   oh my dad knew a lot of Kentucky [TS]

00:42:04   Colonels I know what's the process for [TS]

00:42:06   that that's an honorary thing done as [TS]

00:42:10   far as I understand you have to have [TS]

00:42:12   done some measurable service to the [TS]

00:42:14   state of Kentucky you probably have to [TS]

00:42:16   be in Kiwanis or similar well Jason [TS]

00:42:19   Isbell the singer/guitarist is a [TS]

00:42:22   Kentucky Colonel and he said that he [TS]

00:42:25   would recommend me as a Kentucky Colonel [TS]

00:42:27   because my people are from Kentucky but [TS]

00:42:31   I do not feel like I have really done [TS]

00:42:35   that much in the service of the state of [TS]

00:42:36   Kentucky and so it would feel like a [TS]

00:42:40   Pyrrhic honor I don't think I would wear [TS]

00:42:43   context like you would ring hollow but [TS]

00:42:46   this is the thing I don't want to I [TS]

00:42:47   don't want like like false honor no yeah [TS]

00:42:51   I steel valor no and and and I don't [TS]

00:42:54   want like I don't want a bunch of [TS]

00:42:56   appendages you don't need another white [TS]

00:42:58   ribbon no thank you [TS]

00:43:00   if I'm sorry this is the thing about [TS]

00:43:04   about King Neptune they can never take [TS]

00:43:05   that away from me to try dad oh yeah of [TS]

00:43:07   course that's right that's right you [TS]

00:43:10   mm-hmm I'm not gonna show up to things [TS]

00:43:12   in a sash but I do have a lapel pin [TS]

00:43:14   that's just I have a lapel pin that says [TS]

00:43:17   I was a King Neptune and a couple of [TS]

00:43:21   times during my King Neptune reign this [TS]

00:43:23   past summer like little old man would [TS]

00:43:26   you know kind of toddle up to me with [TS]

00:43:29   their ear horn and and they would say I [TS]

00:43:33   was King Neptune in 1961 and we would [TS]

00:43:37   have this like wonderful little bonding [TS]

00:43:39   moment because you realize like oh well [TS]

00:43:42   for you to have been King Neptune in [TS]

00:43:43   1961 you must have been like a prominent [TS]

00:43:47   citizen oh well I was you know oh I [TS]

00:43:50   would never say that but anyway and you [TS]

00:43:52   know of course they were sure [TS]

00:43:55   and it was a nice little thing so I mean [TS]

00:43:57   I'm there's some future King Neptune - [TS]

00:43:59   King Neptune of 2060 is gonna get in [TS]

00:44:02   here are you expected to be grooming [TS]

00:44:04   that person should you be out there [TS]

00:44:05   seeking out the next Neptune is that [TS]

00:44:07   part of your is that part of your duty [TS]

00:44:09   as a king I had this conversation last [TS]

00:44:11   night I went to dinner with Peter sagal [TS]

00:44:16   America's Sweetheart Peter sagal and as [TS]

00:44:21   the wait wait don't tell me program [TS]

00:44:22   that's correct they're on tour and so [TS]

00:44:26   you know when people come through on [TS]

00:44:28   tour of course I'm I'll go have dinner [TS]

00:44:30   with them Feuer was like Paula [TS]

00:44:33   Poundstone Mo Rocca anybody else come [TS]

00:44:35   along none of those people know but but [TS]

00:44:37   my - but Curtis didn't come Bill Curtis [TS]

00:44:40   was not there I think all those guys [TS]

00:44:42   have sex abuse accusations and with with [TS]

00:44:48   Ken Jennings my little pal that's right [TS]

00:44:50   from your new program millennium program [TS]

00:44:53   your new programs there's another show [TS]

00:44:55   chuckle omnibus there it is oh and you [TS]

00:44:58   remember that as being an old show for [TS]

00:45:00   CBS show oh god yes yeah I love my [TS]

00:45:04   podcast goes the other day they had [TS]

00:45:06   heard a podcast about Martha Mitchell [TS]

00:45:07   and they said oh you know Martha [TS]

00:45:08   Mitchell and I was like shit do I know [TS]

00:45:11   about Martha Mitchell you're adorable [TS]

00:45:14   when you when you say one of your other [TS]

00:45:16   podcast host I know these people named [TS]

00:45:18   who can make you can name them by name [TS]

00:45:20   Tom it's unseemly John don't do that so [TS]

00:45:24   you went to dinner with Peter sagal [TS]

00:45:25   who's in the clear so far I was [TS]

00:45:27   explaining oh that's right barely I was [TS]

00:45:29   explaining a King Neptune and then the [TS]

00:45:32   question came up do I have a hand in [TS]

00:45:35   picking the next Neptune and I thought [TS]

00:45:37   about it it hadn't occurred to me right [TS]

00:45:40   it had not occurred to me that that [TS]

00:45:41   would be some that would be some [TS]

00:45:43   authority that I should wheel because [TS]

00:45:46   toward the end of the summer some of the [TS]

00:45:49   people from Seafarer started sideling up [TS]

00:45:52   to me and saying we've never done this [TS]

00:45:54   before but would you be willing to be [TS]

00:45:56   Neptune again next year well you don't [TS]

00:45:58   get termed out well you do that's the [TS]

00:46:01   thing they've never done that before [TS]

00:46:02   there's never been a King Neptune two [TS]

00:46:03   years ago so you're like the Franklin D [TS]

00:46:05   Roosevelt of Neptune's the first King [TS]

00:46:08   Neptune - ever [TS]

00:46:09   well I don't know maybe they say that [TS]

00:46:11   every year and then when it comes time [TS]

00:46:14   sure a little bit oh you're so good [TS]

00:46:18   maybe you should do this next year and [TS]

00:46:19   then you never hear about that again I [TS]

00:46:21   get that a lot but but I did figure I [TS]

00:46:25   did get a little I was flattered by that [TS]

00:46:27   and I would do it again and so I I think [TS]

00:46:31   that probably clouded my my my sense of [TS]

00:46:36   duty what I should do I should be the [TS]

00:46:38   George Washington of King Neptune you [TS]

00:46:41   hold you hold the country together by [TS]

00:46:43   not continuing in the job that's right [TS]

00:46:45   they ask you to be President for life [TS]

00:46:47   and you say that's not how democracy [TS]

00:46:49   works and then you'll retire to teach [TS]

00:46:52   them how to say goodbye [TS]

00:46:55   so I do feel like I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:46:58   start thinking about who the next King [TS]

00:47:00   Neptune should be and start a kind it's [TS]

00:47:03   clear to me that if you lead they will [TS]

00:47:07   follow by which I mean if you get out in [TS]

00:47:09   front of this and you start you make [TS]

00:47:11   this the new Kentucky kernel maybe [TS]

00:47:12   you're out there and like I say grooming [TS]

00:47:14   well that's the word with this [TS]

00:47:15   problematic word but you you you get out [TS]

00:47:17   there and you figure out you try to find [TS]

00:47:18   some new talent for this some new [TS]

00:47:21   Neptune material well there's a Neptune [TS]

00:47:24   yet well there is a there's a Queen [TS]

00:47:26   Alfea on yeah but I mean has there been [TS]

00:47:28   a King Neptune that's a woman you could [TS]

00:47:30   really you could really just try the [TS]

00:47:32   patriarchy with this you could destroy [TS]

00:47:34   the patriarchy there was for many many [TS]

00:47:36   years within the Seafarer organization [TS]

00:47:37   there was a King Neptune [TS]

00:47:38   and then there was a Miss Seafarer and [TS]

00:47:42   King Neptune was some Rotary Club doofus [TS]

00:47:46   like myself and Miss Seafarer was a [TS]

00:47:49   glamour it was a glamour position like a [TS]

00:47:52   like a Miss Mary did she have any point [TS]

00:47:58   did miss miss affair which really sell [TS]

00:48:01   the Scientology to me did Missy fair at [TS]

00:48:04   any point ever appear in a bathing suit [TS]

00:48:06   no I don't think so I think it was a [TS]

00:48:08   ball gown style pageant okay but she did [TS]

00:48:12   have like her attendant princesses hmm [TS]

00:48:16   so she had a whole Court of people and [TS]

00:48:19   then the king and they they appeared [TS]

00:48:21   together but it wasn't like [TS]

00:48:22   we're always sitting next to each other [TS]

00:48:24   miss Seafarer was off doing these things [TS]

00:48:25   the King was off doing these things like [TS]

00:48:28   the King was drinking Boilermakers [TS]

00:48:30   somewhere with a bunch of cigar chompers [TS]

00:48:33   and Missy bear was doing a charity work [TS]

00:48:36   for the blind okay okay that's nice and [TS]

00:48:39   then at a certain point in the 80s I'm [TS]

00:48:43   gonna say they introduced Queen Elsie on [TS]

00:48:47   who was like separate from Missy fair [TS]

00:48:51   and it freed Missy Fair up to become [TS]

00:48:54   kind of like a it's like a scholarship [TS]

00:48:57   position whoever Missy Fair is there [TS]

00:49:00   still a pageant aspect to it she still [TS]

00:49:02   has her her attendants but they're very [TS]

00:49:06   they're very directed at at charity work [TS]

00:49:09   they're there they work with young girls [TS]

00:49:12   they're you know it's there's a lot of [TS]

00:49:16   the work in the community and typically [TS]

00:49:18   miss Seafarer at least in recent years [TS]

00:49:21   has been from one of Seattle's immigrant [TS]

00:49:25   communities oh that's cool [TS]

00:49:27   yeah and often am I being weird that's [TS]

00:49:31   kind of a cool thing to do it's often [TS]

00:49:33   Asian Pacific island communities I [TS]

00:49:36   approve of that that seems kind of like [TS]

00:49:38   a cool thing to do it's great and what [TS]

00:49:40   it means is that this year miss [TS]

00:49:41   seafarers from the Philippines next year [TS]

00:49:44   miss seafarers from Samoa [TS]

00:49:46   and so so forth and so on so it like it [TS]

00:49:50   really brings it it sort of illuminates [TS]

00:49:56   Seattle's diversity and connection to [TS]

00:49:59   the Pacific Rim and so forth and then [TS]

00:50:03   Queen Elsie on is a businesswoman [TS]

00:50:06   somebody that is prominent in the [TS]

00:50:09   community the expectation you know is [TS]

00:50:12   that you know she's prominent in the [TS]

00:50:14   same way that King Neptune is and the [TS]

00:50:16   two of them are expected to be sort of [TS]

00:50:18   yeah right Chamber of Commerce types [TS]

00:50:20   business booster or types yeah until me [TS]

00:50:25   the the closest thing that Seattle had [TS]

00:50:28   to a hipster King Neptune [TS]

00:50:31   was tom skerritt tom skerritt was king [TS]

00:50:35   neptune Skerritt was it was he Trapper [TS]

00:50:38   John he was Trapper John and mash okay [TS]

00:50:41   he was he was in he was in Top Gun Tom [TS]

00:50:43   Skerritt oh how I do the danger zone [TS]

00:50:45   yeah Tom Skerritt is you know Seattle's [TS]

00:50:51   yes yeah everybody loves Tom Skerritt [TS]

00:50:54   he's not problematic is he he's not tom [TS]

00:50:57   skerritt is and I don't think I'm giving [TS]

00:50:59   away too much here tom skerritt is [TS]

00:51:01   pro-marijuana he likes the marijuana and [TS]

00:51:04   has four years old yeah holy shit always [TS]

00:51:10   stoned like probably really so he's so [TS]

00:51:14   delightful to have around [TS]

00:51:16   because he's very got a beautiful face [TS]

00:51:18   he's very charming [TS]

00:51:20   that's very amiable he's so amiable he's [TS]

00:51:23   so wonderful he was in the up in smoke [TS]

00:51:26   movie with Cheech and Chong he's had [TS]

00:51:31   quite a career tom skerritt and he's got [TS]

00:51:33   a he's got a nice little drawl he's just [TS]

00:51:36   very juicy and Harold and Maude up in [TS]

00:51:39   smoke oh he's an ice castles oh of [TS]

00:51:42   course he was if he was an alien he was [TS]

00:51:44   Dallas an alien naturally known from and [TS]

00:51:47   so good in that he was also King Neptune [TS]

00:51:50   really a kind of career capper so you [TS]

00:51:52   feel like he was the first hipster King [TS]

00:51:54   Neptune yeah but he's also like he's and [TS]

00:51:58   he's an actor he's a Hollywood star I [TS]

00:52:00   mean he's uh it's the type of thing that [TS]

00:52:03   the people at sea fair would say here's [TS]

00:52:05   a good idea and you know we have a [TS]

00:52:08   Hollywood person that we can ask I'm [TS]

00:52:10   kind of the first one that's just like [TS]

00:52:14   yeah like whatever however you would use [TS]

00:52:18   the term hipster to denigrate someone [TS]

00:52:20   that's being basically his pants are [TS]

00:52:25   pretty tight tom skerritt pretty tight [TS]

00:52:31   pants yeah you know he's 50 years old [TS]

00:52:33   but he still cuffs his jeans good [TS]

00:52:35   looking good nice cuff hehe he lives in [TS]

00:52:38   Lake Washington in suburban Seattle he [TS]

00:52:41   lives in Lake Washington yes [TS]

00:52:44   it's true I feel like now that now that [TS]

00:52:55   it's happened for them to pick their [TS]

00:52:58   next King Neptune out of just that you [TS]

00:53:00   know whatever that burbling cauldron of [TS]

00:53:04   local dimwits that you know that are [TS]

00:53:09   like weather men and and Restaurant [TS]

00:53:12   tours [TS]

00:53:13   I feel like fans it's only the Lumineers [TS]

00:53:23   [Applause] [TS]

00:53:24   ukulele ukulele I've got to figure out [TS]

00:53:28   who exactly is right for the job because [TS]

00:53:31   they have to care about Seattle they [TS]

00:53:33   have to be since might find yourself [TS]

00:53:34   into this this you could help define [TS]

00:53:36   this for the next generation I think [TS]

00:53:39   that 20 years from now it's gonna be [TS]

00:53:41   Macklemore like it's the type of things [TS]

00:53:43   that he will graduate into one day cuz [TS]

00:53:45   he loves here anyway [TS]

00:53:49   I'm gonna think about this I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:53:51   gonna I'm gonna point myself part of [TS]

00:53:52   this search see we can do and they say [TS]

00:53:55   we fall or get out of the way you're the [TS]

00:53:57   fucking king man fuckin a I'm looking at [TS]

00:53:59   the page this is that KY kernels that's [TS]

00:54:03   unfortunate [TS]

00:54:04   KY kernels org I sent this to you [TS]

00:54:08   accidentally twice famous Kentucky [TS]

00:54:10   Colonels I don't wanna go through all of [TS]

00:54:11   these Walt Disney John Depp you get Mae [TS]

00:54:17   West Betty White Zakk Wylde [TS]

00:54:19   the fiddly guitar guy I know him well [TS]

00:54:22   Dwight Yoakam but you know what's kind [TS]

00:54:24   of strange about this under why this [TS]

00:54:25   bothers me so much Pete Peter kinder the [TS]

00:54:28   lieutenant governor of Missouri many [TS]

00:54:31   people who are President and you notice [TS]

00:54:32   here though for each person who is [TS]

00:54:34   president they always see former US [TS]

00:54:37   president you're never a former [TS]

00:54:39   president that's like a Marine Henry [TS]

00:54:42   Cuellar I hope I'm pronouncing that [TS]

00:54:44   correctly [TS]

00:54:45   it says you're never a president it says [TS]

00:54:46   US Representative of Texas now John a [TS]

00:54:49   scooper they do say former US [TS]

00:54:51   Representative I don't think you should [TS]

00:54:53   refer to people as a former president I [TS]

00:54:54   think you say they were a US president [TS]

00:54:56   so Lee Majors it doesn't say former key [TS]

00:54:58   the actor right you know something [TS]

00:55:00   that's true of him right did he pee past [TS]

00:55:03   didn't he did I think I wouldn't gonna [TS]

00:55:06   say former in that sense I was gonna say [TS]

00:55:08   like what is Lee Majors done lately yeah [TS]

00:55:10   that's true Colonel Colonel Harland [TS]

00:55:11   Sanders he's referred to here as a [TS]

00:55:13   businessman but like a former president [TS]

00:55:16   if someone says President George Bush [TS]

00:55:20   you had better know that he's not [TS]

00:55:24   president anymore [TS]

00:55:25   right a former is is superfluous well I [TS]

00:55:28   think when you do one of those events [TS]

00:55:29   where you get three four or five it's [TS]

00:55:31   like it's like a doctor whose situation [TS]

00:55:32   when you get three four or five of them [TS]

00:55:34   together in a room I think then you [TS]

00:55:37   could refer to them as the former [TS]

00:55:38   presidents I might be doing a Robert [TS]

00:55:40   Smigel joke at this point I don't mean [TS]

00:55:42   to but I think I think former presidents [TS]

00:55:44   is useful to say that however many is I [TS]

00:55:46   think it's the group the longest largest [TS]

00:55:48   number current the current number of [TS]

00:55:50   living presidents is the greatest in [TS]

00:55:51   history I believe yeah I think it's true [TS]

00:55:53   you got Carter HW Clinton W know what [TS]

00:56:03   I'm missing anybody it's at least I [TS]

00:56:07   would know that's it for Ford is gone [TS]

00:56:10   Reagan's Khan Nixon's gone yeah so [TS]

00:56:14   Carter is Carter is the oldest and then [TS]

00:56:16   oh wait a minute [TS]

00:56:18   Carter and George Herbert Walker Bush [TS]

00:56:20   they're contemporary are very similar in [TS]

00:56:23   age we both in the Navy in World War two [TS]

00:56:25   I believe yeah and maybe Herbert Walker [TS]

00:56:27   is actually older than then Jimmy Carter [TS]

00:56:30   I'm not sure those videos Jimmy Carter [TS]

00:56:33   just walking around doing stuff he's [TS]

00:56:35   really something isn't he you see him on [TS]

00:56:36   the plane you see that [TS]

00:56:37   I didn't see a video of him on a plane [TS]

00:56:40   Jimmy Carter fucking love this guy Jimmy [TS]

00:56:42   Carter [TS]

00:56:43   these guys have gotta be 90 Jimmy Carter [TS]

00:56:45   just walking down first of all to have [TS]

00:56:48   the presence of mind to walk through [TS]

00:56:50   coach he's got a very low-key Secret [TS]

00:56:53   Service person with him literally [TS]

00:56:55   walking through coach and shaking the [TS]

00:56:58   hand in the seat of any person who wants [TS]

00:57:00   to shake his hand and you know who was [TS]

00:57:02   to shake Jimmy Carter's hand [TS]

00:57:03   fucking everybody dance where everybody [TS]

00:57:06   is thrilled this sweet gentle kind old [TS]

00:57:09   man with a fucking bullet [TS]

00:57:11   is spending taking his time he could go [TS]

00:57:14   be sitting in first class you know [TS]

00:57:15   probably having a beverage he's walking [TS]

00:57:17   through a coach smiling broad smile [TS]

00:57:19   shaking hands and a kind word to every [TS]

00:57:21   person who wants to greet him [TS]

00:57:22   that's graciousness that is a gracious [TS]

00:57:24   man so he's always had a lot of class [TS]

00:57:28   will you be like that as king will you [TS]

00:57:30   keep that in mind how important it is [TS]

00:57:32   first of all obviously to reach out to [TS]

00:57:33   young people and to groom them but also [TS]

00:57:36   how important it is that you be out [TS]

00:57:38   there putting a good face on on the the [TS]

00:57:40   Neptune Kingdom let me just throw this [TS]

00:57:42   out there Jimmy Carter was born October [TS]

00:57:44   1st of 1924 and George Herbert Walker [TS]

00:57:49   Bush was born in June of 1924 so they're [TS]

00:57:53   three months apart in age I'll be damned [TS]

00:57:56   or four months and HW was a head of CIA [TS]

00:58:00   under what probably forward under under [TS]

00:58:04   Nixon wasn't it's in okay all right [TS]

00:58:08   let's make sure of that George HW [TS]

00:58:12   pushing there wasn't the ambassador to [TS]

00:58:14   China I want to say let's see here [TS]

00:58:19   looking on the Internet science site for [TS]

00:58:21   George HW Bush internet science okay so [TS]

00:58:26   under Ford 76 okay it was that late [TS]

00:58:30   the second chief of the 4090 Republican [TS]

00:58:32   National Committee second chief of the [TS]

00:58:34   US liaison office to the People's [TS]

00:58:36   Republic of China [TS]

00:58:37   that's 74 to 7,500 Ford the United [TS]

00:58:41   States the tenth United States [TS]

00:58:43   ambassador to the United Nations under [TS]

00:58:45   President Richard Nixon George Herbert [TS]

00:58:49   Walker Bush yes he was the so he was the [TS]

00:58:53   tenth United States ambassador to the [TS]

00:58:55   United Nations from March of 1971 to [TS]

00:58:57   January of 1973 isn't that wonderful [TS]

00:59:00   mm-hmm you know he and my uncle Jack [TS]

00:59:03   were in college together yeah no kidding [TS]

00:59:08   uncle Jack yeah uncle Jack and he went [TS]

00:59:11   to school together and and were [TS]

00:59:15   contemporaries and knew each other [TS]

00:59:19   uncle jack yeah I've ever told about the [TS]

00:59:22   time that Uncle Jack was tapped for [TS]

00:59:25   going bones I don't care tell me again [TS]

00:59:28   no no no I don't care in the sense that [TS]

00:59:30   I don't care how many times you hook [TS]

00:59:31   told the story I would like to hear it [TS]

00:59:33   again please [TS]

00:59:33   I love any story you have that includes [TS]

00:59:36   an uncle yeah [TS]

00:59:37   Uncle Jack was a football star and in [TS]

00:59:42   the Navy he was a football star here at [TS]

00:59:45   Seattle's Broadway high school and then [TS]

00:59:47   he joined the Navy toward the end of the [TS]

00:59:49   war and he was down it in Olathe Kansas [TS]

00:59:55   getting his flight training and he was [TS]

00:59:59   playing on [TS]

00:59:59   playing on [TS]

01:00:00   some intramural football team and it was [TS]

01:00:04   very much like the plot of the movie [TS]

01:00:05   mash some flight instructor some you [TS]

01:00:12   know major in the Navy saw him running [TS]

01:00:16   in touchdowns on this on this field and [TS]

01:00:19   said we've got to get you we've got to [TS]

01:00:24   transfer you to this other unit because [TS]

01:00:26   we've got a very competitive football [TS]

01:00:28   team over there [TS]

01:00:30   little by little he got in front of [TS]

01:00:32   somebody who said after the war we'd [TS]

01:00:37   like to help you use the GI Bill to go [TS]

01:00:40   to Yale because we are Yale alumnus [TS]

01:00:44   alumni and we're trying to you know and [TS]

01:00:49   we want we want Yale to beat Harvard in [TS]

01:00:51   the big football game and so uncle Jack [TS]

01:00:54   ended up at Yale on the GI Bill after [TS]

01:00:56   the war as their star end and during [TS]

01:01:03   that immediate after the war period he [TS]

01:01:05   was he was a big shot there and his [TS]

01:01:09   there there there's a copy of the New [TS]

01:01:12   York Times with the big headline like [TS]

01:01:14   top of the fold [TS]

01:01:15   you know Yale beats Harvard or whatever [TS]

01:01:19   and big picture of my uncle running in [TS]

01:01:21   the the winning touchdown he was an [TS]

01:01:24   all-american damn and and so was BMOC [TS]

01:01:29   there during that period mm-hmm and so [TS]

01:01:34   and this was the period immediately [TS]

01:01:35   after the war where all these guys that [TS]

01:01:36   had fought in the Navy were coming back [TS]

01:01:38   to college so like George Herbert Walker [TS]

01:01:39   poppy was a Navy pilot also and and [TS]

01:01:43   actually like a war hero [TS]

01:01:46   and they were all returning returning to [TS]

01:01:49   college so they weren't a bunch eighteen [TS]

01:01:50   year olds right they were twenty four [TS]

01:01:53   year olds and some of them had had had [TS]

01:01:56   some hard times out there and but [TS]

01:02:01   they're back in college now and they're [TS]

01:02:02   just like you know college men mm-hmm so [TS]

01:02:10   my uncles take on it as [TS]

01:02:13   Seattle ight and as a a northwestern er [TS]

01:02:18   from a time when the Northwest was still [TS]

01:02:19   pretty isolated from the rest of the [TS]

01:02:20   country in the world and also because he [TS]

01:02:23   was a roderick he had what you could [TS]

01:02:27   describe as a very strong reverse [TS]

01:02:30   snobbery against institutions and [TS]

01:02:35   institutional wealth and what even then [TS]

01:02:41   would have been called privilege and so [TS]

01:02:46   he kept this chip on his shoulder this [TS]

01:02:49   sort of flannel and cedar chip on his [TS]

01:02:53   shoulder whenever he encountered any [TS]

01:02:56   kind of East Coast money or East Coast [TS]

01:02:59   attitude which of course then there was [TS]

01:03:03   a lot of so poppy as he calls him was an [TS]

01:03:07   example of this sort of very blue blood [TS]

01:03:11   East Coast's mane you know how summer [TS]

01:03:15   house in Maine kind of elitism and he [TS]

01:03:22   George Bush was dating his wife whose [TS]

01:03:28   name I was just on the tip of my tongue [TS]

01:03:30   Barbara uh-huh yeah uh-huh he was dating [TS]

01:03:33   Barbara Bush even then and I think they [TS]

01:03:35   married at Yale and had George Walker [TS]

01:03:39   Bush at Yale because they were this was [TS]

01:03:42   you know they were college people which [TS]

01:03:43   was which meant full grown people mm-hmm [TS]

01:03:46   but anyway so the night of the big the [TS]

01:03:50   night where all of the secret societies [TS]

01:03:53   all tapped their new members I think [TS]

01:03:56   you're out on the quad or something and [TS]

01:03:59   there's torchlight I mean it's all the [TS]

01:04:01   old the old scary rituals that date back [TS]

01:04:05   to Egypt [TS]

01:04:08   Uncle Jack felt a tap on his shoulder [TS]

01:04:10   and a and a whisper in his ear [TS]

01:04:14   skullenbones yes he got the tap you got [TS]

01:04:18   the tap for skullenbones yes or no and [TS]

01:04:21   Jack said no [TS]

01:04:25   like because skullenbones was elitist oh [TS]

01:04:31   my goodness and he was a man of the [TS]

01:04:35   people he was a lumberjack from out west [TS]

01:04:37   he was a man of the people now he and I [TS]

01:04:40   have talked about this 100 thousand [TS]

01:04:43   million times and even back in the 80s [TS]

01:04:48   when when men of his age were not at all [TS]

01:04:53   self reflective and he was not at all [TS]

01:04:55   self reflective my father was not they [TS]

01:04:58   did not engage [TS]

01:04:59   they did not indulge themselves in a lot [TS]

01:05:01   of where did I go wrong [TS]

01:05:02   yeah what could have done better but I [TS]

01:05:05   said to be more vulnerable yeah exactly [TS]

01:05:08   what if I had talked to people more [TS]

01:05:10   nicely I wish I'd listened more I said [TS]

01:05:13   to him of course like oh my god like [TS]

01:05:16   that's dumb did you do you regret it and [TS]

01:05:21   he said yes very much I was an idiot I [TS]

01:05:25   should have joined Skull and Bones are [TS]

01:05:26   you kidding me everything was no [TS]

01:05:27   different I was like oh fuck mm-hmm come [TS]

01:05:31   I was wondering I was also wondering if [TS]

01:05:33   like when you get the tapping you say no [TS]

01:05:35   is it kind of like a mafia type [TS]

01:05:36   situation where now you know now it's [TS]

01:05:39   you're not only not in but now you're [TS]

01:05:40   out like you're way out like you're [TS]

01:05:42   gonna you're gonna have some problems [TS]

01:05:43   now I can't imagine that they get a lot [TS]

01:05:46   of nose mm-hmm now maybe they did before [TS]

01:05:50   I'm sure there are still reverse snobs [TS]

01:05:52   I'm sure there are still people who are [TS]

01:05:53   like I'm too good for skull and bones [TS]

01:05:55   but I bet you they make a short list I [TS]

01:05:58   don't I don't think that they go out and [TS]

01:06:00   say let's get 500 names and and we'll [TS]

01:06:02   pick the first 15 mm-hmm but it's a [TS]

01:06:06   small list and and and probably was then [TS]

01:06:08   too but you know that you never see a [TS]

01:06:12   Roderick coming am i right you guys are [TS]

01:06:17   slippery get your own thing going on [TS]

01:06:19   really got your own thing going on [TS]

01:06:21   Oh infuriating and the thing is you know [TS]

01:06:24   that butterfly flaps its wings problem [TS]

01:06:26   spooky action at a distance sure [TS]

01:06:28   everything lines up this moment pointing [TS]

01:06:29   to Germany cue man they're so used to [TS]

01:06:32   everybody begging to get in right and [TS]

01:06:34   say no no first of all no [TS]

01:06:37   also there's a tap if there if so if [TS]

01:06:40   this were you there'd be a tap you get [TS]

01:06:42   into tap but then on top of it you they [TS]

01:06:44   probably vetted they vetted your uncle [TS]

01:06:46   they've they've gone through all the [TS]

01:06:47   steps they've they even might feel like [TS]

01:06:49   oh we're pretty sure he's gonna say yes [TS]

01:06:51   cuz obviously the man's not an idiot he [TS]

01:06:53   knows this is gonna change his game [TS]

01:06:54   right well thank you know and and and he [TS]

01:07:00   was like the contextualizing the [TS]

01:07:02   important context is that he was a huge [TS]

01:07:05   star he was not just a star at Yale but [TS]

01:07:10   he was like a national star he was one [TS]

01:07:12   of these college football guys that was [TS]

01:07:14   that rose up to the point that people in [TS]

01:07:17   the country knew him by name because he [TS]

01:07:19   was that he was the guy from Yale they [TS]

01:07:21   kept scoring touchdowns and so he had I [TS]

01:07:25   think at that moment a feeling of a [TS]

01:07:28   feeling that he was too good for [TS]

01:07:30   skullenbones mm-hmm Wow and it was [TS]

01:07:33   during a time when the idea of being a [TS]

01:07:35   student athlete had much more of a kind [TS]

01:07:39   of Greek associations like being a [TS]

01:07:42   soldier scholar yeah right I mean the [TS]

01:07:44   idea you come back from the worn you get [TS]

01:07:45   the GI Bill right somewhat kind of thing [TS]

01:07:48   like that was a - it that mattered [TS]

01:07:50   student it was didn't scholar it was and [TS]

01:07:53   he so he didn't feel like he was just [TS]

01:07:55   there on a football scholarship [TS]

01:07:57   he felt like I mean I think there was a [TS]

01:08:00   part of him that felt pretty justified [TS]

01:08:03   in in his feeling that he wasn't here [TS]

01:08:07   because of old money he wasn't here [TS]

01:08:09   because of who his dad was he had earned [TS]

01:08:11   this place okay by virtue of being an [TS]

01:08:16   athlete and what if you talk to him now [TS]

01:08:19   and he is self-reflective now after [TS]

01:08:23   being forced to become self-reflective [TS]

01:08:25   by his daughters he will say that he [TS]

01:08:29   felt very insecure they're coming from [TS]

01:08:31   the north west everybody was friends [TS]

01:08:35   everybody there knew what the rules were [TS]

01:08:37   they they did have money they did they [TS]

01:08:41   they had the that etiquette they had [TS]

01:08:43   class they had connections and he was a [TS]

01:08:47   hayseed or worse he wasn't a hayseed [TS]

01:08:49   they we didn't even have Hey [TS]

01:08:51   out here hmm you know he smoked like [TS]

01:08:55   pines and owl poop so he was insecure [TS]

01:09:00   and and he says like part of that [TS]

01:09:02   attitude part of saying no to them was [TS]

01:09:04   because I was totally insecure and [TS]

01:09:07   didn't feel like I would if I got in [TS]

01:09:09   there I would just be a rube [TS]

01:09:11   right but I can't know because of course [TS]

01:09:17   this is lo long time before I was born [TS]

01:09:18   before my dad and my mom even met is [TS]

01:09:21   there a world in which uncle Jack could [TS]

01:09:24   have been in skullenbones and also that [TS]

01:09:26   not affect the timeline where my dad [TS]

01:09:30   meets my mom and I I see yep yep because [TS]

01:09:35   I think if Jack was in Skull and Bones [TS]

01:09:37   then when Jack graduated he wouldn't [TS]

01:09:41   have gone out to Alaska and gotten into [TS]

01:09:44   the oil business I think he probably [TS]

01:09:47   would have gone into the CIA or some [TS]

01:09:50   other kind of thing gone to work on to [TS]

01:09:52   run General Motors and my dad would not [TS]

01:09:54   have let that little thing not affect [TS]

01:09:59   the course of his life as well so it may [TS]

01:10:02   be that you know that the polaroid [TS]

01:10:04   picture of me starts to fade it's been [TS]

01:10:08   stored in a certain kind of timeline [TS]

01:10:11   what if for the sake of argument uncle [TS]

01:10:14   Jack had accepted the tap realized it [TS]

01:10:16   was wrong that it would lead to all [TS]

01:10:20   kinds of problems which it did in this [TS]

01:10:22   one timeline and he went back and [TS]

01:10:24   changed it what if you're looking at a [TS]

01:10:26   timeline runkle Jack definitely made the [TS]

01:10:27   right decision you know saying mm-hmm [TS]

01:10:31   all right all right people are always [TS]

01:10:33   saying you know you think about well you [TS]

01:10:34   know what you do in time travel [TS]

01:10:35   be careful butterflies wings yeah who's [TS]

01:10:38   to say that the time travel wasn't [TS]

01:10:40   available or will be available at some [TS]

01:10:42   point and Uncle Jack goes back and fixes [TS]

01:10:44   everything there's so much that could [TS]

01:10:48   have been different if Uncle Jack had [TS]

01:10:49   been in the CIA through the 50s he would [TS]

01:10:52   work at a point would have worked for [TS]

01:10:53   fellow veteran George HW Bush he would [TS]

01:10:57   have entirely been a Commodore by that [TS]

01:10:58   point problem he might have been George [TS]

01:11:00   Herbert Walker Bush shit maybe maybe [TS]

01:11:02   Bush wasn't the director of [TS]

01:11:04   CIA under Ford maybe it was Uncle Jack [TS]

01:11:06   it's a Dibble ganger I like it did a [TS]

01:11:08   face off or something maybe a little bit [TS]

01:11:10   of a face off I I wonder if I wonder it [TS]

01:11:14   you know these days on the internet [TS]

01:11:17   don't find things I wonder I've never [TS]

01:11:19   gone and looked at Uncle Jack's Yale [TS]

01:11:21   career but I'm sure some intrepid person [TS]

01:11:24   will know no don't do that [TS]

01:11:25   let's not dredge up the past I'll talk [TS]

01:11:26   about time travel all right good [TS]

01:11:28   I think there's something to be said [TS]

01:11:31   though well first of all in the one hand [TS]

01:11:33   yeah there is this certain thing if you [TS]

01:11:35   figure you got a guy here a little bit [TS]

01:11:38   you know seed without the hey he's come [TS]

01:11:40   up he's been and you know it served he's [TS]

01:11:42   done adult things and that might have [TS]

01:11:47   been a great honor of his life to say [TS]

01:11:48   fuck you to skullenbones well time [TS]

01:11:52   frettin this is the thing for both my [TS]

01:11:54   dad and my uncle which is that they made [TS]

01:11:57   a lot of decisions like that both of [TS]

01:11:58   them did a lot of like go fuck yourself [TS]

01:12:02   and later in life they did both reflects [TS]

01:12:08   on it and say well I fucked up there and [TS]

01:12:12   in the case of my dad I you know I would [TS]

01:12:14   grab him by the shirt and say like no no [TS]

01:12:17   everything you did was consistent with [TS]

01:12:19   them with a plan with a worldview like [TS]

01:12:21   you didn't fuck up that was just what [TS]

01:12:23   you did this is Wow that was part of [TS]

01:12:25   what made you and I think my uncle is [TS]

01:12:30   much more sanguine about that than my [TS]

01:12:32   dad ever was I think my uncle Jack does [TS]

01:12:34   believe that and he's like yeah well [TS]

01:12:36   what kind of what can you say like will [TS]

01:12:39   and this guy keeps on turn [TS]

01:12:42   whereas my dad my dad didn't a hundred [TS]

01:12:47   percent reconcile himself to the idea [TS]

01:12:49   that there's no such thing as a mistake [TS]

01:12:53   and I think part of it is that sometime [TS]

01:12:59   in the 1950s my uncle went down in his [TS]

01:13:02   little Piper Cub and hammered some [TS]

01:13:05   stakes in the ground in the Kenai [TS]

01:13:07   Peninsula and went and filed with the [TS]

01:13:10   with the state surveying board that he [TS]

01:13:15   was claiming [TS]

01:13:17   this he was claiming the oil rights to [TS]

01:13:20   this hundred acres on the Kenai and it [TS]

01:13:25   was a hundred acres that we're all was [TS]

01:13:28   discovered when did he do this in the [TS]

01:13:30   50s in the 50s there was a time that [TS]

01:13:32   there was a kind of gold rush of oil [TS]

01:13:40   okay yeah just like staking a claim for [TS]

01:13:44   a gold claim you could just go down you [TS]

01:13:47   they had all the land you claim the land [TS]

01:13:49   and improve it and that's here no no no [TS]

01:13:52   no you just claim you just made the [TS]

01:13:54   claim like the land was divided up into [TS]

01:13:58   grids and you could kind of go down [TS]

01:13:59   there and you could speculate based on [TS]

01:14:02   the geology like huh I think this looks [TS]

01:14:04   like there might be oil under here and [TS]

01:14:05   this looks like better whatever that and [TS]

01:14:07   every citizen had as much a right to do [TS]

01:14:11   it as a company because it wasn't a [TS]

01:14:15   bidding process it was just on first [TS]

01:14:20   surf yeah you just go file a claim it [TS]

01:14:22   costs $15 to process the paperwork Wow [TS]

01:14:24   it was a little more complicated than [TS]

01:14:26   that yeah um but so he got some he [TS]

01:14:31   claimed some he had some oil claims well [TS]

01:14:35   he wrote a book about this called crude [TS]

01:14:38   dreams crude dreams by Jack Roderick [TS]

01:14:41   you're kidding because Uncle Jack was [TS]

01:14:44   front and center for the big oil rush in [TS]

01:14:47   Alaska of the 50s and 60s and when they [TS]

01:14:51   discovered oil on the North Slope at [TS]

01:14:53   Prudhoe Bay there was a real tussle [TS]

01:14:57   within the state [TS]

01:14:58   that the oil claims for that property be [TS]

01:15:04   apportioned out by this same process [TS]

01:15:06   file a claim file um you know pay your [TS]

01:15:09   $500 fee and everybody gets their shot [TS]

01:15:14   assam which would have produced multiple [TS]

01:15:20   billionaires of just regular Alaskan [TS]

01:15:23   mainly the fairly small not Al and [TS]

01:15:25   because there's so much oil up there I [TS]

01:15:27   mean like when when I was living in [TS]

01:15:31   in the 1980s they passed 1 billion [TS]

01:15:35   barrels of oil I don't know how many [TS]

01:15:37   barrels of oil they've taken out of [TS]

01:15:38   Prudhoe Bay but it's a lot of oil and so [TS]

01:15:43   all you would need is to have a small [TS]

01:15:45   you know like point zero zero one [TS]

01:15:47   percent of any of that would be an [TS]

01:15:50   enormous amount of money for end and [TS]

01:15:52   there was this there was this argument [TS]

01:15:54   that we should open this up to Alaskans [TS]

01:15:58   this is the this is the the yeah that's [TS]

01:16:05   right it's in the spirit of the state of [TS]

01:16:07   the of the new state and the [TS]

01:16:12   counter-argument was if we put these up [TS]

01:16:16   for auction [TS]

01:16:18   yep then the oil companies will pay a [TS]

01:16:22   lot of money for them and that money [TS]

01:16:25   will go into the state coffers and [TS]

01:16:30   conference customers love money yeah and [TS]

01:16:32   they will pay for schools or whatever [TS]

01:16:33   yeah and so there was a they held like a [TS]

01:16:38   big Congress up there where these things [TS]

01:16:41   were these ideas were argued and then [TS]

01:16:44   eventually it did it did become a system [TS]

01:16:46   where where in those leases were [TS]

01:16:49   auctioned but uncle Jack's little little [TS]

01:16:54   claim his oil claim down on the Kenai [TS]

01:16:57   Peninsula was predated that process and [TS]

01:17:03   it's not like he sank a well on his land [TS]

01:17:08   and had a gusher mm-hmm but as the years [TS]

01:17:12   went by and the oil companies [TS]

01:17:14   consolidated their land down there and [TS]

01:17:18   you know they had offshore drilling rigs [TS]

01:17:20   and they pumped a lot of oil out of out [TS]

01:17:22   of Turnagain arm they bought his claim [TS]

01:17:27   and gave him a small a tiny fractional [TS]

01:17:31   percentage but it was put the arm on him [TS]

01:17:35   no it was just like what are you gonna [TS]

01:17:37   do what are you gonna do Jack Roderick [TS]

01:17:38   can go out there with a shovel and a bus [TS]

01:17:40   comes up in you kiss comes up in that [TS]

01:17:42   Daniel day-lewis [TS]

01:17:44   it comes up in their show godless they [TS]

01:17:46   say like oh you got you got all the oil [TS]

01:17:48   what are you gonna do with it how you [TS]

01:17:49   gonna get it out well smart guy yeah [TS]

01:17:51   what you gonna do you know you're gonna [TS]

01:17:53   you refine it there and fill up your [TS]

01:17:55   yeah give me the tap [TS]

01:17:57   so yeah they say like there is a little [TS]

01:18:02   bit of take it or leave it but but at [TS]

01:18:03   the time they're there they're good [TS]

01:18:05   deals in bad I think he got a fine deal [TS]

01:18:08   so Uncle Jack reflects on his life from [TS]

01:18:12   a position of a little bit I mean he [TS]

01:18:17   still lives in the same house he lives [TS]

01:18:19   they lived in in 1956 but he had the [TS]

01:18:25   luxury of not having to scramble because [TS]

01:18:28   he did have this guaranteed constant [TS]

01:18:30   kind of income right it was just like [TS]

01:18:36   it's nice to have a little bait just [TS]

01:18:38   cover the rent that would be nice that's [TS]

01:18:39   right it's nice to have a little base [TS]

01:18:40   and my dad as he got older had not made [TS]

01:18:45   any he didn't have any plan like that he [TS]

01:18:49   didn't he never for a second in the [TS]

01:18:51   course of his life thought well what [TS]

01:18:53   happens one day kind of like me right [TS]

01:18:57   when the new house really think about [TS]

01:18:59   the future that much yeah I know [TS]

01:19:00   but then at the end he's kind of like oh [TS]

01:19:03   shit it's a little bit harder for him to [TS]

01:19:07   say I don't give a shit about [TS]

01:19:08   skullenbones because he I think that [TS]

01:19:13   little cushion makes a big difference in [TS]

01:19:15   how you how you see now you're gonna got [TS]

01:19:17   the phone for the timeshare yeah that's [TS]

01:19:19   right that sucks [TS]

01:19:21   push we get the tap I know could use a [TS]

01:19:26   tap right now if I go use a tap I'm all [TS]

01:19:29   I've been waiting for the tap for a long [TS]

01:19:30   time you're ready for the tap you're the [TS]

01:19:32   anchorman at Gonzaga mm-hmm when I went [TS]

01:19:36   to guns that they had eliminated [TS]

01:19:38   fraternities and sororities because of [TS]

01:19:40   all the problems that they had with [TS]

01:19:42   those organizations in the 70s they said [TS]

01:19:46   their solution Gonzaga solution I think [TS]

01:19:48   some colleges tried this they just [TS]

01:19:49   eliminated fraternities and sororities [TS]

01:19:52   but they had one group which they called [TS]

01:19:55   a service [TS]

01:19:55   organization which was called the [TS]

01:19:58   Knights and Spurs and the Knights were [TS]

01:20:01   the boys and the Spurs were the girls [TS]

01:20:03   and they had matching polo shirts the [TS]

01:20:07   boys and the girls had matching I don't [TS]

01:20:09   know what blouses blue zhe's chemises [TS]

01:20:13   those eye and they would supposedly go [TS]

01:20:19   out and do service and I don't know what [TS]

01:20:23   that meant you know they would like do [TS]

01:20:26   beautification of something or I don't [TS]

01:20:28   they were not a by as far as I could [TS]

01:20:31   tell any kind of service organization [TS]

01:20:33   they were a fraternity and sorority and [TS]

01:20:36   there was a night early on in the year [TS]

01:20:39   when the Knights and spurs would go out [TS]

01:20:41   and tap their members for the coming [TS]

01:20:45   year and once you were a knight in a [TS]

01:20:46   spur you were always a knight in this [TS]

01:20:47   burg right I mean you got tapped in just [TS]

01:20:49   like you were tapped for skull and bones [TS]

01:20:51   or the presidency or marine yeah exactly [TS]

01:20:54   are you tapped for the presidency and I [TS]

01:20:58   remember the night that the Knights and [TS]

01:21:00   spurs went out to tap all their people [TS]

01:21:04   and I was sitting in my dorm room [TS]

01:21:07   reading something really hard to read [TS]

01:21:10   something super deep and you could hear [TS]

01:21:14   them out you could hear the shriek hear [TS]

01:21:17   the tapping you could hear the tapping [TS]

01:21:19   the shrieks of girls when they realized [TS]

01:21:20   they'd been tapped by the Spurs you [TS]

01:21:23   could hear dudes going like all this [TS]

01:21:26   kind of stuff there's a lot of noise a [TS]

01:21:28   lot of energy in on the campus and you [TS]

01:21:31   could also feel the energy of a handful [TS]

01:21:36   of thousand of people who were not going [TS]

01:21:38   to get tapped by the Knights and Spurs [TS]

01:21:40   sitting and either feeling small and [TS]

01:21:44   isolated or seething or or just putting [TS]

01:21:48   ear plugs in and trying to ignore it and [TS]

01:21:51   and I remember that feeling of sitting [TS]

01:21:55   in my room in the full breadth of [TS]

01:21:58   knowledge that there is no way in a [TS]

01:22:00   billion trillion years that I was going [TS]

01:22:02   to get tapped by the Knights and spurs [TS]

01:22:04   unless like a clerical error I was the [TS]

01:22:06   opposite the absolute opposite of it hmm [TS]

01:22:10   and also I would have hated being in the [TS]

01:22:14   night since birth and yet I've never [TS]

01:22:19   been tapped for anything [TS]

01:22:20   mmm-hmm and I wanted to get that I [TS]

01:22:22   wanted to get that tattoo so Tom and [TS]

01:22:24   John I think it's still coming I just so [TS]

01:22:26   I could have said no you could be the [TS]

01:22:29   anchorman I mean you got to have to be [TS]

01:22:31   king there's nothing wrong with that you [TS]

01:22:33   know what you're right I did get tap to [TS]

01:22:35   be that type now you got to have [TS]

01:22:36   somebody else nobody came up behind me [TS]

01:22:38   in like and tapped me on the shoulder [TS]

01:22:39   but you know be kind of did they just [TS]

01:22:40   came right for you problem or something [TS]

01:22:42   you know yes I still run tapping people [TS]

01:22:44   elbow to the nose I like this idea maybe [TS]

01:22:46   I start the tradition through the tap or [TS]

01:22:49   you're the one he taps I'm the tap or I [TS]

01:22:50   tap the next King please go buy a [TS]

01:23:04   t-shirt oh yeah if you don't have a [TS]

01:23:07   t-shirt yet you got to get one man these [TS]

01:23:09   t-shirts are great yeah mark on the line [TS]

01:23:11   calm yeah [TS]

01:23:11   rhetoric on the line calm get a t-shirt [TS]

01:23:13   get one for your get one for your [TS]

01:23:16   significant other get one for your dog [TS]

01:23:17   or your kids there are lots available [TS]

01:23:19   tapri John great incredible Christmas [TS]

01:23:22   presents am i right Merlin yes I totally [TS]

01:23:25   agree these cannoli given us gifts these [TS]

01:23:26   are really good I wish they give us a [TS]

01:23:27   better you can give us better URL [TS]

01:23:29   christmas is coming [TS]

01:23:31   hmm kind of so hard yeah winter is [TS]

01:23:34   coming [TS]

01:23:34   yes shirts because they're warm you know [TS]

01:23:37   nothing John Roderick pepper pepper [TS]

01:23:39   pepper gone all right [TS]

01:23:42   right Christmas everybody [TS]