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I'm fired up tonight in the sense that I
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i love hate my phone and we're gonna
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have to talk about this later there are
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some parts i really really really love
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in some parts that are driving me
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freakin crazy and we should talk about
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that later that that's what the that's
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what we in the business like to call a
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teaser mmm if this stays in the show i
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guarantee someone will write in and say
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so that's actually not a teaser that's
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actually a sting preview the blast
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reference god it's a miracle that anyone
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puts any content on the internet by
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choice ever ever well if we ever want to
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get to that i do want to talk about the
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feedback to my laptop article oh I have
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feedback I would like to file actually
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unfortunately siracusa covered it pretty
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well today no I didn't talk about and I
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purposely didn't try and not to talk
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about your article we have still plenty
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of things to talk about on your article
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with you specifically alright good
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yeah and I have plenty of complaints to
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levy so I would like my chance let's
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start with some follow-up about the
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multitasking Jax gesture on the iPhone
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10 it was funny because as a podcast
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listener I have listened to every Apple
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related tech podcast that I listened to
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yet all of the feedback about the one
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true way to do the multitasking gesture
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the one true way that is flawless and
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will never ever fail it just so happens
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that there are about 75 one true waste
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multitasking gesture on the iPhone 10
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and I had thought by the time we had
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covered it
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perhaps the internet will have gotten
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this out of their system oh no my
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friends the internet is not done so one
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of you has comically put in the show
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notes and I'm guessing this is John the
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tyranny the tyranny tyranny tyranny the
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the the angst of the pause tyrany the
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digit or an e the tyranny of the pause
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tell us about this yeah this was the
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implied context of all of my calm
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the multitasking gesture last year we
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talked about how I had difficulty doing
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it from the home screen but how was as
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far as I can tell the same gesture is
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elsewhere and why I had difficulty doing
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it the home screen and at one point I
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rattled off a bunch of gestures that I
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had tried things that people had
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suggested and things that work elsewhere
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the implied but not stated part of that
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conversation was that all the things I
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was describing I was doing instead of
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the one where you you drag up and then
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pause for a little bit and then you know
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like like basically what I think of as
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the sort of standard one I think it's
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the one they demoed in the keynote where
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you know pull up from the bottom but
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don't take your finger off the screen
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and then wait a little bit and then the
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multitasking thing comes and and the
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reason that was my implied context is
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because I hate pauses I hate you know
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tap and hold I hate anything where I
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have to do something for a set amount of
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time and there's no way I can speed it
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up that's why I was interested in the
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you know j-turn 45-degree angle swipe
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all sorts of other little things
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so everybody who wrote in to tell us why
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are you doing all these strange gestures
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just pull up from the bottom and then
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wait a second and it will come up I
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definitely knew that I don't want to
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wait the second category of people are
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saying you actually don't have to wait
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if you pull up a precise amount from the
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bottom and immediately remove your
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finger from the screen it will bring up
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the multitasking gesture and I guess
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that gets rid of the weight but I find
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it more difficult to exactly get that
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distance right than I do to do one of
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the j-turn or a 45-degree angle x-ray
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over so anyway so it wasn't clear and
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you didn't know you can pull up from the
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pause her on with your finger on the
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screen and the multitasking thing will
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come up and that is probably easier to
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pull off than any of the gestures that I
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was describing and what you don't have
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to do that but you do have to wait and I
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don't like waiting I had no idea it's
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like you grew up in the New York area we
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got a little bit of feedback about the
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refund request for Apple Care Plus I
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could have sworn I had put this in the
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show notes but I was wrong for that for
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the past episode so will be in the show
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notes for this episode and John him was
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first person I saw to write in with a
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link to K base article hello Stephen
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Hackett we're in its entitled how to
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request a refund for an Apple care plan
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blah blah blah there are a few important
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things to keep in mind when you cancel
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in return now care coverage plan if your
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if you can't see your plan within 30
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days your purchase date you'll get a
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full refund minus the value of any
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service already performed if you cancel
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your Apple care plan more than 30 days
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after purchase we'll get a refund based
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on the percentage of unexpired Apple
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care coverage minus the value of any
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service already provided and so it's the
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thing which I didn't know and we even
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heard a couple people say that they told
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geniuses or perhaps on geniuses and
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perhaps it was salespeople one way or
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they're not one way or another told
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Apple retail employees that this was the
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thing and they didn't even know it was
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the thing as it turns out so yeah it's a
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thing we'll put a link in the show notes
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alright who is it that put this weird
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Kickstarter that I'd never heard about
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before in the show notes it was me it's
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always me last week about the advantages
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of face idea for touch ID especially if
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you're of things wrong with the tips of
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your fingers or they're dirty you're
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scratched up stuff like that and also if
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you're wearing gloves and I mentioned
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that they had gloves that will let you
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use your touch screen but those gloves
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don't let you activate touch ID well
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someone sent me it's linked to a
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Kickstarter for gloves that let you
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touch your screen you know with with
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gloves on like they work with a
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touchscreen but also they provide not
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your finger prints through the gloves
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like I was suggesting last show like
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there are no gloves it's magically
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surface your finger prints but instead
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give you a bunch of stickers with
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ostensibly unique fingerprints on every
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single sticker they work with touch ID
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so what you do is you'd put on these
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gloves or put on these little stickers
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on your gloves right and each one is
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unique like every single person who gets
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one I guess yeah unique fingerprint
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thing train it on your gloved
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fingerprint thingy and then you can
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unlock your phone and use it with that
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glove of course what that means is that
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if someone's unlock your phone they just
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need to steer your glove instead of
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cutting off your finger
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lifting your prints off a glass of water
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or whatever mission impossible type
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thing they're gonna do but anyway it's a
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Kickstarter all the normal caveat set by
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Kickstarter but
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you know this someone's always got an
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interesting idea and here's another one
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unique fingerprint stickers I had no
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idea this was the thing well it's a
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Kickstarter so is it a thing a few
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shades there well played uh yeah yeah
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alright so apparently we have some
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things to talk about with regard to
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iCloud restores during iPhone 10 setup I
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spoke too soon last week we all spoke
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well maybe you didn't but I did about
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like oh I cloud restored during setup
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it's much faster now everything works
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great that was all true up until the
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point where my wife's phone wanted to
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update to whatever I think it's like the
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the iOS update that gets rid of the
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weird funny character thing you tried to
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have capital I whatever whatever update
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that was and she normally updates her
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phone and eventually tried to do the
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update and it said something to the
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effect of oh yeah no this this OS update
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will run as soon as your iCloud restore
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finishes and it said that for about two
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weeks now and that's bad Oh lovely and
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whatever questions to me it was like can
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I just cancel this iCloud restore and
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it's like oh no like it's another one of
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those iCloud things where reboot your
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phone as far as I'm aware the iCloud
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restore finished the day we set up your
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phone like all the apps are there what
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what remains to be done I don't know
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it's not like I have some view into the
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system that tells me what the iCloud
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restore process is doing so I find this
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mildly upsetting and I don't as yet have
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a solution I assume what I'm just gonna
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do is Google the error message because
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that's the level of debugging we're at
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in the iOS world these days especially
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as it relates to iCloud things so you
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can find how many other people have this
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problem but in the end yeah it's like
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reboot the phone step zero and see if
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that magically changes something we got
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some bad news from Apple and I'm quoting
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now we can't wait for people to
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experience home pod apples break through
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wireless speaker for the home but we
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need a little more time before it's
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ready for our customers we'll start
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shipping in the US UK and Australia in
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early 2018 this was not given directly
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to ATP but it was given to a couple of
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news sites or bloggers or what-have-you
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the home pot is indeed delayed so I
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guess next week or perhaps later this
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week we'll hear the same for the iMac
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Pro because what we're both promised
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this year is that right yeah but my pro
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is gonna make it is it because like five
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people will buy them and it doesn't
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really matter and it will probably make
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it I mean technically the 2013 Mac Pro
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was available in December 2013 but if
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you actually wanted to try to order one
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you weren't gonna get until February
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so the iMac Pro might follow a similar
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path I I don't really know if anything
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in particular is holding up yeah my pro
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they have their reasons but I'm sure
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they have nothing to do with whatever's
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holding back the home pod the home pod
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seems like it's just very like it seemed
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like it was in such an early state when
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they announced it last June that it's
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slipping a few months now is not that
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big of a surprise and it's all new you
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know all new hardware more importantly
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probably all new software relying on
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they're fairly shaky service back-end
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for Siri so lots of possible things
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could have gone wrong here or could have
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missed deadlines here to make that get
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delayed by a few months so this is not
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at all a surprise and and I hope you
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know from what we've seen from the home
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pod so far which is admittedly very very
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little it sure doesn't seem like it's
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that competitive with the other products
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in that market so maybe they're making a
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little bit better that that's kind of my
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hope here is like maybe this will be a
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getting they showed the hardware but
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delayed and as I said on upgrade today
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home pod would be yeah
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really send me I'm a crow for that
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the iPhone offenders that was it in June
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the WC keynote is the only time you've
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announce December they pre announced
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that they would not make the holiday
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season right so now when they're
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delaying it until you know early 2018 is
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not as if suddenly they're missing the
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holiday season they already pre
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announced they were missing the holiday
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season this is not a new change all they
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boundary and it's probably because you
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of year that's our stretch goal team and
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they didn't make it so it gets pushed
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you cross the year boundary but if you
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say December 31st like oh but you know
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better PR story and then as December
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you're not gonna do that and people just
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then they can ounce that had too late so
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of the year and they just didn't make it
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that's not done at no point was this
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going to be a holiday purchase and it's
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still not a holiday purchase so it'll be
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fine so one possibly worrying thing
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about this is that nobody seems that sad
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about this is that a concern well what
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are you gonna be sad about I want that
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amazing demo that they show they didn't
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show demo they showed of playing music
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like they we don't even know what to
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expect other than it will play your
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music and some people said it plays
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music nicely and sounds good right there
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is no wow factor to this especially with
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the Sonos announcements right if you
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want a speaker that sounds good that you
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can talk to Sonos tells you that and
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this is just like oh it sounds good and
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you could talk to it and you can talk to
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it and make a play it make it play Apple
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music whereas on this will play Apple
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music but not when you talk to it right
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to enter a market that it's currently
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not in but if they have something
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special
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to to show this market here's Apple's
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entry and this is the special Apple
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magic they haven't shown that yet so
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what is there to really get excited
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about I don't know all I know is I feel
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less and less confident in Siri as time
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goes on and there was actually a really
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really tremendous crossover between
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welcome to Macintosh and 20,000 Hertz
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both of which are phenomenal podcasts
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that you should be listening to and I
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think it was Mark Graham Hill of welcome
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to McIntosh had said he was of the
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opinion that as Siri sounds more in more
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in more lifelike and less robotic we as
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human beings and I think I certainly
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fall into this are less and less and
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less tolerant of it being anything but
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perfect because the voice is getting
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eerily close to to maybe not perfect but
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really good and so you expect the best
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out of this and man III don't know if
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it's me or what I just feel like serious
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been garbage the last few months but you
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know what isn't frustrating kids me
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being vindicated in a boy am i
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vindicated we have some follow-up about
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the great dust-up of November 2017 the
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chili cook-off the chili cook-off if you
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recall I had put an ask ATP question
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into the show notes that John had tried
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to move out of the episode and then
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obnoxiously I'd pretty much forced all
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of us to drag it back in and we quickly
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discovered that John had built himself a
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beautiful mind style conspiracy theory
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as to what the actual intention of this
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questions author was during the
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recording of that episode I tweeted at
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the author whose name is Jonathan
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bowling I said to him was this an honest
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question or were you making an in-joke
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about Jon Merlyn etc to which he replied
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at the time on his question but I was
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betting something pretty funny might
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happen in the answers and I believe we
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brought all this up during the show and
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John said see it's he's thought
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something funny would happen he's
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setting his heart go cut that part out
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of the episode did he fly yes wait did I
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yeah that's why I put it back in this
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one because it was like in the after
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after after show this response did come
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in and so it's honest question but I was
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betting something pretty funny might
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happen and my reading of that question
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was but I was betting something pretty
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funny might happen and Casey's reading
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is there but anyway go ahead so we got
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an email from Jonathan I will not read
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all of it but I will read some of it
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episode 248 chili cook-off turned out to
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be more fun than I could have imagined
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I was just hoping that you would include
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my question so I had no idea that it
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would cause him any siracusa rant TM
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that would backfire and make the
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question stay in the show Thank You
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Casey for defending my good intentions
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I've been a big fan of hypercritical
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build and analyze in a teepee longtime
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listener first-time quote close to the
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medal or quote John suspicions were
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unfounded
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I do enjoy reconcilable differences
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which by the way is a tremendous program
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which he should listen to but I didn't
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have anything from reqtest in mind when
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I asked the question I'd be curious to
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know which episode or episodes he
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thought I was referencing Casey I look
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forward to hearing you point out to John
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that he was wrong in the next episodes
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follow-up copy right John Syracuse of
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2011 I should note that's in the email I
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also look forward to his continued good
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humoured suspicions with a winking emoji
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John would you like to try to defend
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yourself at this time well there's not
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really much to defend here because well
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first of all I would say that my hope
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after last week's episode was that you -
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based on the feedback from everyone else
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would come to a better understanding
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what my objection was because if you
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recall I'm more confused than ever maybe
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I can help you I'm saying what my hope
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was if you recall the idea was there was
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this question in there I moved it down I
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said I don't like this question in case
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he asked me and then he asked me on the
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show why don't you like this question
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and I explained why I don't like this
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question and Casey said that my reasons
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were dumb please tell me why don't you
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like this question I feel like I tried
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my best to explain why I don't like the
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question there's no being right or wrong
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about why I don't like the question but
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obviously you two have not come to a
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deeper understanding why I didn't like
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the question and I don't know why this
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example didn't occur to me but I think I
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have a better example to hopefully bring
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you to that understanding
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if someone had written into the show ask
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ATP say should I buy a white car
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if Casey said I don't like that question
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I would understand why he doesn't like
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that question that's it okay right I
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wouldn't understand now imagine that
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person had never heard the show before
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except like friends said that we talked
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about car sometime and was legitimately
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thinking about buying a white car and
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you know they talk about cars all the
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time and maybe in the F she'll talk
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about white cars maybe I'll just ask
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them should I buy my car because you
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know they're hard to keep clean and so
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on and so forth right still still if you
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said that like that question I would say
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I understand well you don't like that
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question right and if that person wrote
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and said I don't know what this thing
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you're talking about the white cars they
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just for you I heard you guys talk about
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cars sometimes something gonna get in
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one and white is hard to clean the stuff
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set for you you have an opinion even if
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there were 100 percent honest I would
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still understand why you don't like that
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question and it wouldn't say it was
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Syria now imagine further still that
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Marco and I said Casey I don't know what
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you're talking about this person is just
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asking about white cars I have no idea
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because this was like seven years in the
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future and we didn't remember this white
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car gag oh I assure you I will never be
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allowed to forget the white car gag but
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I'm with you to principle I'm with you
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this is the situation I find myself in
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because believe me
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the closer the metal thing was as real
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as the white car as evidenced by all the
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people who wrote in to say that person
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is 100% trolling and John is right I
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mean they don't know what's in this
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person's heart any more than I do right
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but that it is legitimately a thing as
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much a thing as white cars bar and you
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two have no recollection of it and this
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person claims to have no recollection I
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would despite listening all the way back
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to hypercritical which is where this is
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from not reconcilable differences anyway
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all this is to say I hope you now
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understand where I was coming from and I
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hope you can use the white car example
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as instructive to say maybe you wouldn't
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mind that question maybe you a bomb
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saying as if you said you didn't like it
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I would understand why and I think Marco
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would too because we both have the
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shared context without the shared
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context would you seem like a conspiracy
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theory person what is this about white
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cars what are you even talking about
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imagine how frustrating it would be for
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you to explain to me and Marco what the
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deal with the white car thing
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I do think okay I am laughing but I do
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think I understand your point better
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I think the difference for me and we can
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move on but the difference for me is
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that I it the white car thing is is for
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better or worse like the defining gag
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about me it's it's that and who the
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hell's your suppose you'd only have one
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Casey well - but I'm with ya again I'm
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with you what's the second one water on
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the computer no well okay three I said
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who the hell is Casey in the computer
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yeah in the computer if I say I'd
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forgotten about that one you've got to
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explain that context and I would say
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you're crazy everyone knows who you are
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who the hell is Casey but my point is
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just that there there are a handful of
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things that I feel like all of us upon
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hearing them would say yes of course
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who the hell is Casey I remember and
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this one to my eyes anyway was way more
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esoteric in in Wayne it's an older I
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mean it's older like it was we traced it
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hypercritical that's like six years ago
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so you know me I guess you can forgive
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infer Cleaver getting about it I was
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just very surprised that neither one of
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you could even vaguely remember that it
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whole cloth as if I was just making this
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up I assure you I am NOT no I never
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really thought you were making it up it
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just seemed it seemed kind of bananas to
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me that you were so unequivocally
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convinced that this was that this was
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trolling I thought you would remember I
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thought I mean obviously it's not as
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recent as a white car but I thought one
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or both of you would certainly remember
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it and either way by the way I will
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point out like at the end of this thing
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I also look forward to John's you know
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continued good-humoured suspicions I
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mean obviously if someone was trolling
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the trolley thing to do is not to tell
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you they're trolling people on the
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internet like it's it's really easy to
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type words into a text box but I'm I'm
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sure this person is being honest and
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like you too has just completely
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forgotten about this from labor critical
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days cuz that was a long time ago
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although to be honest so when did we
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record neutral that would that started
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in January of 13 is that right I think
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that's right yeah that's better so that
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was almost five years ago in
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hypercritical was six or seven years ago
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so I mean the white car thing is far
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closer to hypercritical than it is to us
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today you know what I mean like that's
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which is weird right because I feel like
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that was yesterday in so many ways but
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anyway it was I was I was very punchy
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when we recorded but I was never like
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genuinely upsetting you I just thought
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you were being utterly preposterous I
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wasn't that's what I'm getting at but
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just because you don't have the context
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doesn't mean there isn't a context and
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it's and it's completely irrelevant
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whether he was being honest or not
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that's why I was trying to get with the
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white car think is legit someone could
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listen to the show that's a that's a
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real question the people asked should I
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get a white car I've had that question
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asked to me before I even came in the
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show but it would be a hell of a
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coincidence if they asked that on s KDP
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wouldn't it why would any
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you ask if they want to get a white card
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on yeah exactly why would that matter
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but why would they ask at ATP maybe this
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just of legitimist quite honest question
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but I would understand if Casey if Casey
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gave it a little bit of side-eye and
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maybe said maybe I'm not I mean it seems
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to me that white car has just happened
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to Casey he never has to actually have
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you exactly you've owned like 17 white
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cars have you ever had to ask anybody if
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you should get a white car or not no
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I've never asked anyone if I should it
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doesn't seem like he had a choice right
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yeah one of them one of them was a
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choice I guess fall from from this guy
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into your driveway and then their
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engines break
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can you just dubbing like the first 15
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minutes of the first neutral where we
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discussed this one of them was
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absolutely unequivocally my choice I
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specifically requested white for one
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every other one happened to me I'm
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sticking with and for the record I'm
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pretty sure Marcos are the only one he
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obviously originated the white car thing
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and I think he's the only one who really
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cares my first car was a white car too
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and I think all I said under trouble is
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that if you have a really nicely shaped
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car then you can get it in a white but
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in your car isn't ugly don't get in a
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white because it highlights how badly
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shaped it is but beyond that I have no
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objections to white cars we are
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think using chi chargers everywhere and
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topping off the iPhones batteries all
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the time will impact battery health I
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question so I think this is probably
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the years with computers there is
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probably some truth to the fact that
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charging lithium batteries all the time
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you know does actually shorten their
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lifespan if they're if they're not kept
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within their ideal long-term charging
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health range which is usually not fully
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charged usually it's closer to like
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middle of the battery charge like if you
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want it looking better to last as long
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as possible keep the source level
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somewhere near the middle or something
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some kind of range near the middle and
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that tends to keep them lasting longer
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the reason I added this and what I
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thought was kind of worth talking about
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is like I feel like with with your phone
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that you're using every day that you are
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charging every night then you are using
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it throughout the day you know you're
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putting like a good part of a full cycle
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on the battery every day sometimes more
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if you use it heavily I feel like your
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battery is not going to be very useful
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for more than about two years maybe
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three years if you if you're more gentle
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on it but like no matter what you do
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this is really hard on a battery to be
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used to be basically cycled a full side
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meaning like you know full charge to
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nearly empty to have to be going through
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flows like almost every day you're gonna
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wear out that battery pretty much no
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matter what you do and so the
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alternative which is you know topping it
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off on these little charges all over
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your house and car and workplace all the
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time I don't think that's that much
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worse you know it might actually be
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better even like what's worse for a
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lithium-ion battery
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keeping it at a full charge for a day or
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going through a full cycle I don't know
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but it's probably not gonna be that
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different either way you're using it
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heavily you know like if you have a
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laptop and you use it on battery for its
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full range every day that's going to do
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the same thing at the laptop if you keep
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it plugged in all the time that's gonna
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be better for it but you know again like
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maybe not that much better because of
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the full charge being bad thing so I
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think the answer here is keeping them
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uncharged all the time will probably
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impact battery health but the
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alternative would probably impact it
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more and in the grand scheme of things
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your phone battery no matter what you do
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is gonna be is gonna have a not that
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useful amount of charge after two or
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three years no matter what you do there
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are other factors here as well that make
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it I don't know what the answer is just
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muddies the water even more of whether
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this is better worse or the same but to
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start like I bet people are not going to
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buy such a tremendous number of t
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chargers that they are now charging
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their phone appreciably more than they
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used to if only because T chargers
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charge your phone so much more slowly
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battery life is really fast charging so
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your desk that you plug your thing into
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to get as much juice as possible when
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you're at your desk versus putting in on
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a Qi charger the charger is much more
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slowly the slower one is going to be
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kinder on your battery and if you but it
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won't charge as much obviously in the
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same amount of time but if you have a
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bunch of key charges around in the house
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what you're instead doing instead of
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charging very quickly in one location
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you're charging more slowly in multiple
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locations which again I think is better
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for the battery so there's you know
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you'd really need to come up with an
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exact regime of where you're going to be
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and what you're going to charge to
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compare exactly this pattern of use to
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exactly this pattern of use but in
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general I would say don't worry about
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this don't don't worry about the battery
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life being affected because there are
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just so many variables and
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depending on how they're each weighted
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in this giant equation you could get
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better worse of the same battery life
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chart if you use your phone the same
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amount every day that's in the end
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you're using your phone that amount it's
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got two or three years of that many
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cycles even if you don't psyche although
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by two or three years or just that much
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putting energy into the battery and
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taking energy out even if you could
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always do it in the fat part of the
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curve where it's all good
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your battery's gonna be a lot worse than
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it was when you bought it and you're
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probably gonna want a new phone and
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that's just the way things are indeed
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all right JT you would like to know what
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are your thoughts and feelings on Apple
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TV remote redesigned for air power into
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fix other issues you know a lot of
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people have been writing in about what
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about this for air power our air power
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what about that for air power I don't
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get it like I think I said this last
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episode but I will be very surprised if
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anything else gets air power support
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except maybe the pencil anytime soon I
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don't think this is going to be like the
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catch-all you know cover your all of
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your desks and all of your you know uh
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kitchen counters and air power sort of
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thing I think this is only going to be
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for iOS devices and you know the air
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pods and and and I guess watch OS is
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strictly speaking different OS but you
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know what I mean like I don't think it's
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gonna be keyboard and mouse and Apple TV
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remote in any of those send MacBook in
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MacBook yeah exactly and especially like
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the Apple TV remote I've charged that
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thing probably four times or feels like
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I've charged it four times in the year
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I've had it I mean that may not be
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accurate but it just at my point is just
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it almost never needs a charge same with
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my keyboards and my mice mouse's nieces
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they almost never need a charge so what
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are you really solving if it's at worst
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a you know momentary inconvenience if
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you know once a quarter or something
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like that but I don't know what do you
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think Marco I pretty much the same I
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mean I I have not you know we use our
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Apple TV almost every day at least we
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did before he got stuck in stardew
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valley and yeah I think I've charged it
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yeah maybe maybe three times you know
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it's it's not a high drain device so the
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need to make charging especially
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convenient is is not that high
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also that tends to be a different place
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in your house or your office or you
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might have when your office and you tend
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not to travel with it so like if if the
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benefit of an air power mat is like the
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thing that you stick on your nightstand
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table that you put all your stuff on at
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night well you're probably not going to
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have your Apple TV remote you know in
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your in your bedroom if you if your
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Apple TV is not there
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similarly you know if the appeal of this
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thing ends up being those really
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convenient while traveling you're
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probably not going to travel with your
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Apple TV remote either and if you do you
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probably won't need to charge it on the
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trip so you know it's it's a nice theory
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but I don't think it matters that much
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the Apple TV remote has so many other
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problems that they refuse to address so
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if they aren't even gonna bother making
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it usable while it's charged I don't
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think they're gonna care that much that
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it's slightly inconvenient to charge it
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when you do it you know every six months
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I frequently forget that the Apple TV
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remote has a battery and it's not like
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there's a battery door and it like I'm
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not sure if I have ever charged my
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applet I think I replaced my Apple TV
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before I charge the battery on it it
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lasts or I don't use as much as mark
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obviously it lasts a really really long
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time although I have a too quick Apple
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TV remote stories the last time I lost
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it I'm always losing the Apple TV remote
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because it's skinny and it goes down
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couch cushions stuff like that you know
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my kids use it and so it's not like who
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knows but like they carry it into the
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kitchen they you know they it's in the
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bathroom who knows where they're taking
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this road it's just everywhere right and
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there's no as far as I'm aware please
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tell me if I'm wrong there's no like
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fine your remote function where you can
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make it make a beeping sound I would
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love that that they that hence the
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feature they should add but anyway I
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lost my remote and I thought like this
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is it I've well and truly lost it I know
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I was thinking like boy I'm glad they
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reduced the price to $60 down from 80
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because I'm gonna have to buy another
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remote and even though you got the
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remote on your iOS device where you can
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use that instead of the thing as far as
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I'm aware you can't can you wake your
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thing from sleep with that I don't know
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and I didn't try it but I was like well
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I'd like do I think I can't use my Apple
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TV until I get a replacing remote
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because I don't think you can wake the
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little black cube from sleep without the
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real remote yeah you can if you gotta
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airplay to it I believe it'll wake
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itself up
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yeah that's good yeah I was thinking
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like I would guess the RemoteApp would
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let you do it but I can't I haven't
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tried it so I don't know one way or the
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other but I can tell you I'll L airplay
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to it from time to time and that will
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wake it up right anyway
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I was halfway through that thought when
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I looked up at my little black thing and
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the little white light was on so like
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you know I don't have to wake it up it's
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already awake and I'm like but how can
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it already be awake I've been looking
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for this road for 15 minutes and I know
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it goes to sleep like no one has been in
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his room for a while and based on that
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information I realized I must be sitting
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on the remote somehow and that's what's
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waking up and sure enough I took yet
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another run at the couch cushions and
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the little things that are between them
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it's like a sleeper sofa or whatever and
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eventually I found the remote somewhere
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underneath my butt where I was squishing
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it and turning it on the second story is
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about someone had realized there was a
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bunch of iTunes purchases going through
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where they'd purchased like every
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episode of Seinfeld and a bunch of TV
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I'm a or you know it was like a husband
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and wife and they were asking each other
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did you buy these did you buy these
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things turns out it was the cat the cat
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would lay on top of the remote and buy
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things for them on the turned off
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television through their Apple TV remote
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so I don't know if that makes us a
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better motor a good remote it's bad
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because it's lost easily it's probably
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bad because the cat can buy things but
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maybe not like cats are very devious all
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and Kent eken Gore writes how can a
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polemic ated things with software like
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face detection and they are yet still
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get so many simple things consistently
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wrong like 1 plus 1 or 1 plus 2 plus 3
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on the iowa's calculator and UI bugs
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related to device orientation such as
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the attached we'll put a link in the
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show notes and it's a picture of what
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appears to be the phone or iPad I think
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phone in portrait mode yet
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the volume indicator is shown in
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landscape whoops with regard to rotation
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I can say that rotations are pain in the
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bud yeah yep any eye any iOS developer
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will tell you that so that I give them a
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buy on although it does seem that there
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are a lot more rotation bugs in iOS 11
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than there were before there's a lot
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everything bugs every weapon in a while
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but yeah you're right I don't have a
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good answer for this I I guess in to
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some degree it's easy to get amazed by
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the new and shiny and and it's hard to
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it's hard to build software reliably and
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predictably that's why you know agile
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software development became a thing was
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it was an attempt to be better about
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building up be better about predicting
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when software would be complete right
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and in the whole shtick of it was that
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you wanted to be able to predict future
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the future based on your performance in
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the past rather than oh well I should be
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able to get that done in two weeks you
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can look at your past history and say no
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actually that'll take you a month and a
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half and you know it all of the stuff
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around enterprise level software
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development which I know Marco doesn't
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understand but John and I all it's hard
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it's hard work it's hard to figure out
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the balance between how much you know
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how many unit tests you should write in
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how many shouldn't and what your
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continuous integration story is like all
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of the stuff is hard and it's not to
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most people it's not very sexy and so
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what is sexy face detection what is sexy
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augmented reality what's not sexy
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Jenkins oh it's it's understandable if
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not necessarily excusable that this
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would be the case but I don't know John
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as my fellow boring old man when it
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comes to writing software how do you how
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do you describe this I'm not sure you
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need to bring software methodologies and
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software in general entry even if they
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weren't talking about software even if
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this was talking about like you notice
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that dudes car analogies that's the
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other thing we go to like how can they
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get this amazing you know engine new
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engine technology working but their
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climate controls suck and it's you know
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it's just human nature and priorities
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and with anything were you especially in
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a business like Apple's where you're
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it's not that it's a hit driven business
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but that you you're only as good as your
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last success things like the calculator
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the iOS calculator bug where like some
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animations in the calculator caused it
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to be less responsive right
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how many people are scrutinizing how
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good the calculator is from release to
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release it's not a head lighting feature
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there are not a lot of resources put
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towards the calculator when it was first
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made there was probably more than there
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are now
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but there is an inclination in companies
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that have to make money to say we'll put
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time and resources and people into this
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thing because it's the thing that we
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need and then when we're done with it
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we'll be like great we did that what's
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the next thing move on to the next thing
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right and take people off of that and
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say those people are working and you
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have to leave somebody there but this
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some poor maintenance engineer is
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responsible for the calculator and seven
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don't notice that maybe the animations
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you're adding are making the thing less
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responsive because like you know do you
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have a test where it's something some
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automated thing presses the buttons
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really fast to make sure you know it's
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just it's just less important it's lower
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priority there are fewer people on it
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and that's just the nature of the nature
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of humans the nature of work and the
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nature of a business so many many things
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you know that that we did that and we
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can't afford to leave our very best
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engineers maintain the calculator for
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the rest of their careers because
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they're not going to like that they're
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going to leave the company and it
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wouldn't be efficient use of our
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resources so we get our best people
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working on the next hard problem and
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everything else gets less priority and
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because humans do humans sometimes those
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things mess up everything after that
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that's like the easy thing to explain
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everything after that like why is iOS
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love and have more bugs does it seem
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like it actually has more bugs is your
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perception different than their metrics
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are they measuring the wrong thing all
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the way down to software is hard and
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software methodologies and all that
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stuff so from the outside it might seem
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inexplicable but as Casey I think was
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trying to express software and any large
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enterprise including making a car or any
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sort of thing is much more complicated
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than you think it is as a consumer of
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that thing and complicated systems are
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hard to predict and hard to manage and
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you know that's it there's no you know
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it's not it's not the apples being mean
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or it's still people who don't know what
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they're doing
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nobody knows what they're doing there
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there are no adults there is no silver
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yada yada Apple has for a very long time
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shown that they are not very good at
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multitasking and that whatever is the
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current hotness gets all the attention
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and whatever isn't gets either complete
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neglect or at best like drive-by updates
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O'Hare they like you know like like Disk
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Utility on Mac OS is like a great
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example of it where like you know the
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met the entire Mac is pretty neglected
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much of the time and when things do get
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updated on the Mac they tend to get
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updated in these drive-by fashions where
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like someone seems to be assigned like
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hey wait
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rewrite this whole thing this app that
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nobody would really need to be rewritten
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rewrite at all and then they're given
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enough time to rush together an almost
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complete version and then it ships and
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then it seems like no one's allowed to
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fix any bugs in it ever again or they're
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not on the project anymore or they don't
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have time or they're assigned to other
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things and have moved on and so things
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get updated or created from scratch on
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these low in these low priority areas
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and then whatever is released as like
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1.0 which was probably rushed to meet a
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very tight deadline those bugs basically
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stick around for a very long time or
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forever anything that is not the current
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hotness that tends to be the case of
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Apple as John said there are lots of
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good reasons for that involving money
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and priorities I think Apple standards
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should be higher you know Apple
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standards are higher than average in
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most other ways I think their standards
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for how to deal with they're not as
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quite high priority products should be
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also similarly high but they're not and
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that's not a new thing even you know
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even that that isn't even Tim Cook thing
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like even under Steve that was always
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the case we're like whatever was was not
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the current hotness got pretty badly
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neglected and there's also a secondary
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divide here where Apple's frameworks
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have almost always been really really
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good like in in the entire era of modern
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Apple I don't know what it was like
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before you know before I was tanner like
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in the entire era of modern Apple the
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frameworks have always been amazing
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you know things like you know the AR kit
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you know things like court makes core
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audio the foundation like all that stuff
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they make amazing frameworks and that
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stuff has been solid pretty much you
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know the vast majority of the time and
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very advanced the applications on that
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they that Apple ships at the OS and the
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built and the table on top of that on
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top of this frameworks have had a much
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spottier past and a much spotty record
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the applications definitely seem like a
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lower priority for them then that also
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seems like an area where in recent years
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applications have struggled way more
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than the foundation stuff so it might
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just be Apple is not has not figure out
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how to manage this well it certainly is
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certainly that that's what the results
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seem to indicate but it's like that for
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everybody like you there is no you can't
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just say oh let's keep all the best
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people working on the things that they
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originally create because they don't
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want doing that and now it's a retention
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issue like they don't want to work
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forever on this one thing they helped
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create they want to move on to the next
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thing because they're smart ambitious
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people and if you don't let them you
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know then you'll have a retention
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problem in if you even if you you know
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it's a hyper competitive world where
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everyone is scrutinizing what Apple does
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so closely that if they actually did
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leave significant sort of standing
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armies attached to everything they ever
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made to make sure the thing that
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everything they make is continuously
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improved and maintained
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that's an inefficient use of resources
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with like why are you spending all this
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money why are your margins going down oh
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we needed to leave a team of seven on
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the calculator forever and multiply that
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by every piece of software we ever make
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so I was in the calculator done what
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needs to be updated on it's like well if
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we just leave one person on it then
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there's a chance that that one person
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can make a silly mistake and make us
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look bad and so everything has to be
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higher quality so you know we'll leave
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this team of seven on calculator in it
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and no matter what team of seven guy
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said they won't want to do it and like a
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lot of these things you feel like
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they're a training program for less
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experienced people like before you get
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to be in the Big Show and you know work
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on a super important new feature in UI
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kit or work on a major new feature in
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the OS maybe you have to maintain disk
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utility for a few years and that's how
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you learn right like there's no there's
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no easy solution
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people are not interchangeable cogs
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programming is a complicated endeavor
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and Apple doesn't actually have
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unlimited money and does actually have
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people scrutinizing every cent that it
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spends and at telling them that they
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should have margins that are higher than
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they do so you know I don't know there's
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you know it is a spectrum it's not as if
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a saying Oh a blow everything apples
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doing they're doing as well as they can
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they can and should adjust things right
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they can and should pay more attention
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to things that you know they shouldn't
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let as much slip as they do and they
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should be not be Pennywise pound-foolish
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where are we saved a couple bucks here
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by moving some people around what is
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what are the potential downsides for the
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image of the company all the way up to
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what are the potential downsides if we
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invest a lot in a feature and spend a
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lot of time and energy on it and it
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doesn't turn out that well how do we fix
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that or burn you know insert your
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favorite feature there whether it be the
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touch bar or the new keyboard
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reliability or any other thing whether
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they really did dedicate a lot of
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resources and doesn't turn out as well
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as they wanted like software's hard life
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is hard yeah but I think there's also a
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middle ground here like the the
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impression I I have gotten from reports
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from people within over the last many
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years this seems to always be a
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consistent story that we hear from
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people at Apple is that it's not like
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there were seven people on the
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calculator team and they reduced it down
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or they couldn't have those people
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forever or that it was done none of
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those things were true what was probably
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true is the calculator had zero people
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working on it for a very long time then
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when a new system design or style or
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marketing heavy feature was being added
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to iOS or new hardware somebody was
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somebody who was already very busy was
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tasked with update updating this app
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along with probably as you mentioned
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probably seven other apps to the new
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animation style or the new design style
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or with or take advantage of the new
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feature of the phone or just the new
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size of these phones or whatever else so
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that was someone's job they had enough
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time to do a two-thirds complete job so
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they because they had to rush to meet
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the deadline for when this OS and phone
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shipped and then after it shipped the
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staff was returned back to zero
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so that we have heard that story so many
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times from people inside so it isn't
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that it isn't that things are just done
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and that the markets demanding that they
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you know or that you know that all of a
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sudden they're undone like it's
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following marketing features they have
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to keep things updated and they had and
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they keep seemingly very very small
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staffs available to do things that
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aren't high priority apps or features or
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platforms like the calculator app or
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like you know the Mac head and then as
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soon as that thing is is done the am at
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the budget of time allocation for that
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that's available to fixed bugs in it
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literally drops to zero not some zero
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that is a management problem that needs
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to be adjusted
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other perverse and perverse incentives
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too and and yeah and and that's and
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we've heard that too like we've heard a
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lot of reports also from people that one
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of the issues that causes this kind of
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thing that leads to this kind of thing
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is the incentive structure in the
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company seemingly favors rewriting large
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projects are being on high profile
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platforms and doesn't favor doing more
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boring things that's something to be
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done and that's also a management
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problem like that's like they need to
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find ways to to adjust their internal
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structures and policies and workflows
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and incentives to make high quality
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platforms and apps happen more often
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than they do the incentive that I was
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thinking of was if you're on if you're a
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cast with doing something with
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calculator or if you're one person who
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is responsible for seven applications
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and the max utility folder or something
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you're not particularly incentivized to
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slowly make the thing better by adding a
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silly feature two-terminal and now I
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terminal and justify them and say why I
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because every feature I add is a new
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backlog that we're probably just
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ignoring forever if we haven't fixed it
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by now and there's nothing new to do and
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what you were getting as the you know
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being on the glory projects like no one
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ever notices bah this guy's great he's
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slowly improved the terminal over the
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course of eight years and has had very
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few bugs and every new feature that he
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added versus this person worked on
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career inside Apple more than the other
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would love a slowly improving terminal
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that had like the equivalent of one or
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you motivated indie developers working
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on it who like terminal was their entire
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livelihood and they had that kind of
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motivation but that doesn't exist inside
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Apple no one inside Apple is going to
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work on terminal the same way like the
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the I term authors are going to work on
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their thing as if their entire
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livelihood depends on constantly
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improving and maintaining the terminal
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application which you know is a shame
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know everyone always says everyone we
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were making like a start-up inside a big
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company but I've never seen that done
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what the culture is like with an apple
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just not and how do you maintain and
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text offer you thankful for this year I
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this year and I'm just super running low
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on time but you only got four items but
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there's a tie for number three
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all done sir yeah I actually do it four
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times so one of them is my wonderful
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beloved 2015 MacBook Pro we will get to
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that in more detail later oh my god I
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you know look I just love it I wrote a
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whole blog post about how much I love it
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it's great and it's it is exactly what
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text should be which is it just works it
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delights me and I don't really have to
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think about it if I don't want to it
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just works
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incredibly happy with the 10.5 inch iPad
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pro and the smart Keyboard that I bought
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with it you know I'm I don't use my iPad
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for very complicated things but I do use
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it frequently every day I use it it's
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always in the kitchen or on the table or
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on the couch and every day I use it to
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only play podcasts in the kitchen and
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dining area but then I will often then
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use it as my couch browsing device and
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things of that and it's it's just very
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pleasant to use I'm not an iPad power
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user by any means I still bring a laptop
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one night when I'm working
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but I'm doing anything that's not really
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work especially you're on the house the
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iPad is wonderful and the 10.5 inch was
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such a great update in so many ways the
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screen size is great and especially once
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you see it next to and 9.7 again you
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realize that quite have much of an
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improvement it was it seemed like a
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pretty small improvement at the time but
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it's really nice so it's a great device
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I always have it propped up in the smart
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Keyboard so text-entry is nice and fast
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on it if I need that and it's just it's
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great I'm very very happy with my iPad
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pro 10.5 third I will add the general
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category of power and charging gear by
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Ankur this is you know it's not that new
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of an opinion to like anchor gear the
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world of dealing with our tech these
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days especially iOS devices with
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lightning ports and everything else
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things become a lot more convenient and
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easier and more pleasant when you can
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get plentiful charging and power and
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gear for not that much money and that's
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pretty high-quality an anchor is not the
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only brand that does this but I think
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they are the brand that does the most of
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it and the most consistent
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and so very very happy with anchor gear
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both like the the multi USB port wall
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chargers their standalone batteries are
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also great and of course they're they're
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like heavy-duty braided cables lightning
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cables are great and they cost so little
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relatively speaking that you can have a
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bunch of them and you can put them all
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over your house you can carry extras
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around and bags and you can set up like
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you know different charging stations at
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different different rooms in different
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places like your office in your house in
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your car and it's just really really
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nice to have all that stuff become
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inexpensive and good it really it really
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makes art digital lives with all these
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charging things a lot easier and finally
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a special honorable mention to
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everything I have ever bought from the
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company sound devices this is very
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specialized if you are not a sound or
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video pro you probably have never heard
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of this company and you probably
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shouldn't ever hear about this company
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but if you work with sound or video gear
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well haven't used their video stuff if
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you work with sound gear at all the
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devices by sound devices are not cheap
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at all but this is truly ProGear is I
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use a USB pre - for recording here for
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our live show and for my increasing live
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and multi port needs
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I recently splurged and bought one of
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their 6 Series mixers their stuff is
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just so damn good and it just works this
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for most podcasters but it's the exact
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definition of like if you have a problem
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money at it to make that problem
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completely go away sound devices trust
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me anyway that's it all right so we can
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go in either surname or age order either
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way that makes me next and so I will run
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through my list I will try to do this as
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quickly as possible in no particular
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order air pods
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I freaking love my air pods and I was
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just thinking a couple hours ago about
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how as far as I can tell I haven't
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noticed any particular degradation in
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battery quality despite the fact that
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these things have been in my ears for a
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probably
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concerning amount of time particularly
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during the work week and I think that's
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partially because anytime I take them
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out of my ears there immediately
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charging so although I said no
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particular order I lied because that is
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definitely number one the remainder
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however is not in any particular order
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carplay believe it or not in this
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surprises even me
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it's got a lot of problems it is not
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perfect by any stretch but it is very
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very nice and I like that I can take
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pretty much any iOS device plug it into
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Aaron's car and immediately I have the
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entire devices experience in her center
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console so that's really convenient
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because my caller my phone isn't maded
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paired to her car via bluetooth but I
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can try to find an address to somewhere
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in Apple Maps and get the directions
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ready to go plug in my phone and
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suddenly she's got my navigation on her
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laptops that were built in this century
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so I love my macbook adorable again it's
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got problems but I love it and the
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problems it has slower than my ancient
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laptop by quite a margin that that's one
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of the problems coincidentally you could
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but yeah I mean it is not perfect and
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the past if this was my only computer
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I'm not sure I would have such fond
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feelings for it but in the same way you
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have such fond feelings for your 10 inch
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iPad pro I have tremendously fond
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feelings for this macbook adorable
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because it is to me anyway the ultimate
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travel can
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travel can
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computer and that can mean the couch or
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it can mean a cross-country trip and I
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just love this thing
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also on the list I in in the process of
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filming the Alfa Romeo video which I
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have a first draft complete and I'm now
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refining it anyway in the process of
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filming that I borrowed a GoPro from
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work which I think I mentioned in the
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turns out GoPros are really cool and if
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you're in a situation where you want to
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have a pretty decent camera that if for
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some reason it broke you wouldn't be
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financially ruined and you want to do
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something with that camera like mounted
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to the outside of a car or put it
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somewhere there that's there's not a lot
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of room the GoPros are really really
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cool very much a niche use case but man
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are they agree it's like your sound
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devices right you know it's it's a very
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niche thing but holy cow does it work
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out well for those for those little
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niches and finally I love my LTE Apple
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watch I had already started taking
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Fitness a lot more seriously before my
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LTE Apple watch but it is much more
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pleasurable to go for a run without
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having to carry anything on my person
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and and still know that I can call for
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help God for if God forbid something
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really bad happened and so I am super
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thankful for my Apple watch even though
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it is about 50% more expensive on a
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monthly basis than it should be yeah
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maybe even a hundred that's okay anyway
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that's my list a mega list but I can go
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off the top of my head for the show
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yeah well Casey stole my first one with
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air pods my name problem with all these
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things I can never remember what
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happened this year like it's this you
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know what things were thankful for this
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year was that we're apart this year I
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don't even know but since Casey listed
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them I'm gonna say they were but they
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they were since Thanksgiving
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ah shoot I'm saying so I received mine I
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think lately late December and so I'm
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counting it as Thanksgiving to
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Thanksgiving thing yes certainly for
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most people they were this year yeah so
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they have definitely just changed I
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think I was thinking about this the
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other day just how much they've changed
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my my life
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because I'm constantly singing to
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podcasts inside and outside of the house
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and maybe it's not as big a deal I know
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I know the air pods everybody likes them
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like if you ask someone who has the
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motive great or whatever but for me I
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think I there's a little bit of extra
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attraction to them because I'm I don't
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know how to describe this but I'm the
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kind of person I'm one of those people
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who's like disturbed by disorder I think
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I described it to Merlin once bird like
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there was some pictures on the internet
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that show like a bunch of pencils all
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lined up but one pencil is poking out
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right or like just things that are a
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bunch of physical objects that look like
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they you know they could be nicely
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arranged but there's just something
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wrong with them this is Aaron's
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kryptonite yeah and whatever that is
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people say OCD but that isn't incorrect
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use of that term it's not what is it all
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that's a whole different thing but if
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you're just generally like disturbed by
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disorder and headphone chords for me are
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were always a big source of disorder
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they're tangled in your pockets you have
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all these techniques for coiling them
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they get caught on things I think as I
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tweeted one of the other tweets that I I
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think back on every time this happens to
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me nothing makes me more instantly
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enraged than having my headphones yanked
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out of my ears
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that just makes me want to immediately
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kill right like easy going through a
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door and your headphone cord gets caught
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on something and the earbud is yanked
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out of your ears the worst right and
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it's not a big deal like whatever all
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the cords bother you oh it's just too
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crippling you know it really is ruining
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your day that you have cords it wasn't a
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big deal but it was always there and I'm
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the type of person who was bothered by
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this kind of disorder who was bothered
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by having to deal with it and having to
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have all these techniques for dealing
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with it now and be aware of it and being
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careful within threading the cords
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through my clothes and doing all of this
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stuff earpods get rid of all of that
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there is no more cord and despite being
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annoyed by not being able to change the
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volume and all the other things and
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having to be able to charging and all
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that other stuff boy they have really
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just ambiently increased my quality of
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life by a tiny amount but the tiny
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amount is spread through like the whole
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day so I really love them I'm gonna give
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a slot to the Apple TV the new Apple TV
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now that the beta OS does the
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the frame matching stuff mostly because
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I hadn't realized how much I had written
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off the Apple TV as sort of a video file
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audio file like whatever like a sort of
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device in which I can indulge my love of
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beautiful movies and stuff is like yeah
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that's a thing that we use it to watch
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TV shows and the kids play with it but
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that's outside the realm of my sort of
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TV nerd experience but suddenly it's
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it's right back in now it's back in the
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mix because now it can actually show
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things of the correct frame rate and as
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hgr support and its 4k and its back on
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the board and so I'm excited by that
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because I never really dislike the Apple
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TV and I dreaded having to go to a
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geekier device like a build-your-own
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Raspberry Pi and you can make your own
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thing or use the Nvidia shield and don't
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worry you know like I I didn't want to
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deal with all that so I was just you
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know stuck with my plastic blu-ray discs
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in my TV and everything but now I'm more
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optimistic about the future of the Apple
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TV in my life not just this a thing that
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my kids used to watch stuff sometimes
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what was my third one oh yeah my camera
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which I don't think was this year either
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but going through my pictures I've been
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printing books from the Apple photo book
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thing and so I've been going through a
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lot of old pictures and everything and
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it's so clear where the dividing line is
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between my old cameras and my new one
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which is the sony a6300 not that it's
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the world's best camera but it was a
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significant leap in image quality and
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sensor size over my old superzoom
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cameras and i notice it when i'm going
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through the pictures and I'm much
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happier with the pictures I'm taking
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with my new camera then I was in my old
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ones I got some good ones at that one
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too but I see the difference and now of
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course I wish I could go back in time
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and you know take take pictures of my
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son it was born 13 years ago with a
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camera from 2017 that's not the way the
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world works
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but I really I really do enjoy my camera
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and it's making me as making me think
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that maybe like oh wait I'll wait for a
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Parkers review of the of the bigger Sony
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that maybe I should start cranking up
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the size of the camera I'm willing to
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carry just to see if I can go all the
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way up to
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a larger sensor size and make it
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worthwhile but anyway I really enjoy my
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camera let's see the final thing I guess
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I have to give a shout out for the Mac
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Pro how can I be thankful for a thing I
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don't actually have I'm thankful that
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this year again I'm pretty sure this
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year is the year that Apple said you
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know what we should make it a Mac Pro
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and I agree Apple you should and I'm
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waiting patiently I haven't had enough
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to drink
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to handle the Mac Pro conversations so
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let's just move on and let's talk about
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how I did not bring up the iPhone 10 and
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in fact none of us brought up the iPhone
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10 as one of our things that we're
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thankful for
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to be fair John doesn't really have one
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eye I've had it for two weeks it is
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really good so far I really enjoy it
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it's just a little early for me to say
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for sure that it's like a clear positive
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win in all fronts but I think it's
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heading in that direction for me but
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apparently not for you so I I'm having
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some troubles and I feel like it is
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clear that Apple has done something that
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they have no bin I think I said this
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originally when we reviewed the iPhone
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10 iPhones 10 they've done something
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that they have no business doing and
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brought technology that really should
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not exist in 2017 and and ripped it from
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the future and put it in 2017 so in a
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lot of ways I am delighted and
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mesmerized by this device and certainly
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every time I look at any other devices I
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think I described last episode any time
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I look at any other device that has the
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big chin and forehead I look at it and
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it just feels friggin ancient like I'm
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poking fun at your laptop but really and
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truly that these old devices look just
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ancient by comparison in a way that your
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laptop actually doesn't although I'll
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deny that in about 10 minutes they're so
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in so many ways this thing is is
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wonderful and my goodness when face ID
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works right boy does it feel amazing it
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feels like back in the day when I didn't
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put a passcode in my 3GS because why
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would you there's no need for it
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so in so many ways the these phones are
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so great but I am getting more and more
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and more infuriated about the fact that
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I feel less and less and less able to
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use my phone at night or potentially in
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the morning and let me tell you why
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so well I think I described last episode
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that I have a very peculiar eye problem
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it's called keratoconus which means that
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I wear hard contact lenses and it means
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that if I were I glasses which I do have
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a pair of eye glasses they get me from
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unable to do almost anything to somewhat
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functioning human being but I would
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never drive with my eyeglasses it's very
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difficult to work on a computer with
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eyeglasses I need my contacts and so at
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night when I'm in bed or in the morning
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when I'm in bed and I don't have my
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contacts in I have to keep the phone
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uncomfortably close to my face well it's
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screen off and this is happening a lot
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it's not dimming before the screen is
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turned off I'm not in low-power mode I
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am usually and do not disturb but I'm
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not in low-power mode and often times I
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expect it would dim I would you know
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touch the screen to remind it don't know
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I'm here don't don't go away I'm here
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but off it happened this morning like
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two different times I'm sitting there
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I'm reading something and next thing you
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know all of a sudden the phone turns
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itself off well I shouldn't say turns
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itself off are you sure you're not a
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ghost I know I'm not sure is this real
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life there's just a bit see I don't
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No okay sorry did you mention whether
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you what's your auto lock timeout set to
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whatever the default is but I will stall
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for time and I will tell you but I'm
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pretty darn sure it's whatever the
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default is and I feel like that's like
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30 seconds or something yeah which
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should be the default with the OLED
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screens
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well I'd argue it shouldn't because it
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sucks well Touche
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it is absolutely unequivocally set for
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30 seconds yeah that's bad but you said
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it doesn't dim first no that's the thing
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that's driving me bananas because if it
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was dimming and what I shouldn't say
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that occasionally it will dim and then
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I'll touch the screen and everything
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will be fine but there have been times
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where I will be looking at the screen
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and again in the defense of the phone my
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devices is very close to my face and all
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of a sudden will just turn itself off
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and yes I do have a tension detection on
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and no I have not tried turning it off
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but I want attention detection on I like
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it in every other circumstance but when
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I have my phone so close to my face it
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just suddenly decides no you're done now
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in turns itself off and I I don't know
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what to do to fix it other than I mean I
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I suppose I could turn attention
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detection off but my goodness is is
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frustrating and it's grating on me like
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it's it's that thing that when you hear
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somebody else talk about like like
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John's phone or headphone cables like
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okay yeah that's annoying but whatever
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get over John know like I can't get over
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this it's killing me you know like this
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is my headphone cables and I don't know
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what to do about it and it's getting to
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the point that it's kind of ruining a
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phone that I otherwise really really
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really really love did you put the RAM
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from your iMac into your just turn it
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indeed is the phone also just rebooting
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itself like every few hours and you
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weren't telling us that because you
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figure that's fine but he's complaining
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about his progress he's complaining
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about his look I'm using my features
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turns off whereas before he's like
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sometimes when I use my iMac it turns
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off whatever I mean it seems like you
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know step one is try turning off
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attention detection yeah you're
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absolutely right why haven't you tried
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that yet that's my question like so you
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have this problem what's been stopping
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you from saying oh I'm going to
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that obvious setting and flippant
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because I don't want to turn it on and I
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think that more of the stories I need to
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try but I don't want to turn it off I
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don't wanna have to flip that switch
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every morning either because why don't
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you want it off permanently like what
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it's what's stopping you from saying why
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don't you want it off because I like the
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whole like the phone knows when I'm
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looking at it and will show me the
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details of my messages now the next
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question you're gonna ask me is did I
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ever bother with that before no I did
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not my text messages could be seen by
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anyone who had access to my phone I
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don't think that's mutually exclusive I
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think it's as soon as the phone is
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unlocked it will show you the content
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your text messages and it's unlocked
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whether attention detection is enabled
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or not just it uses face ID for that
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interesting point okay that makes me
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feel a little better that's okay that's
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an interesting point I didn't think of
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it that way I see what you're saying
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though so attempt number one
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turn off the engine detection and then
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if that doesn't do it enough for you
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raise that auto walk time out be above
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thirty seconds and that should
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significantly reduce the chances of this
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this problem affecting you yeah but the
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interesting the interesting life lesson
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here is I don't view this as my fault
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and the chat room is already saying it's
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my fault I'm sure if you're listening
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you're saying it's my fault but I don't
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view this isn't that is my fault I'm
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just trying to use my phone the way I
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want to use my phone and although by any
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normal metric I am in no way differently
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abled or whatever the correct phrasing
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is that I'm looking for but this is this
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is the first time perhaps in my entire
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life that an ailment of mine has caused
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me to have a problem with the way
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something's designed because I don't
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think apples designers I I don't think
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had ever really had to worry about well
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what happens if somebody has really
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really poor eyesight and is basically
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touching their nose to this phone like
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then what do we do and and so I feel I
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feel neglected and that's a weird
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feeling for me because as a able-bodied
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person by any other metric this is the
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first time I've really have to have to
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deal with this and it's been a really
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good and useful lesson that it's easy to
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feel marginalized that's prob about the
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word I'm looking for it but I can't
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think of a better one it's easy to feel
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marginalized just by being overlooked
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the littlest tiniest bit
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and that's been kind of interesting too
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it's a glimpse of your future as I think
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we've said many times when we talked
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about accessibility features your
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choices are you will eventually use
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accessibility features or you'll be dead
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and in general I think people will
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choose the accessibility features like
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it's not a question maybe you'll need
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accessibility features no you will these
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the only way you won't need
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accessibility features is if you die or
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if they cure aging I suppose but don't
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hold your breath for that
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sorry CGP grey yeah yeah we're all gonna
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need these features in everything that
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we do if we just keep living and our
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bodies keep deteriorating you may be
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perfectly healthy now and everything
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works but eventually it won't and then
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you are suddenly a customer for all the
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features that you are not using in all
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your electronic devices and all of the
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appliances in your home and all the
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places you go and your car and
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everything else and so there's it's not
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speculative and it's not likely there's
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some chance you might need accessibility
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features you will need them and I also
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some obviously I don't have I content
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but I also do exactly what Casey does I
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don't have his exact vision problem but
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I have terrible vision and when I use my
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phone without my glasses in my bed it
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might as well be touching my nose like
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is that's when I get really intimate
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with the retina screen and be like look
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I can see the subpixels my close-up
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vision is still pretty good although
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maybe not true for Casey but bad news
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for other young people who think that
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yeah you know I need glasses to see far
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away but I can see close up real great
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well guess what when you get old that
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goes to so that you have that to look
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forward to but yeah and I think I would
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have the exact same problem as you and I
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think I would be the same situation
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where I'd have to be considering turning
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off the attention thing just because I
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don't want to give up like that and you
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know it's not a long time but I do use
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my phone in my bed either before going
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to bed or just after waking up and I
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don't want to have to toggle setting to
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do that and I don't want the screen to
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turn off while I'm doing it so yeah it's
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a thing so I'm looking at the settings
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right now and in face ID and attention
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there are two settings require attention
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for face ID and then separately
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attention to where features and then the
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the footer under that says treat up the
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camera will check for attention before
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the display or lowering the volume of
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alerts I am bummed to give away the
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lowering the bar the volume of alerts
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thing because although it doesn't happen
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but once or twice a day that is a super
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nice feature that when I look at the
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phone it will duck the audio or maybe
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that's not the right term for it but
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it'll lower the volume of the the the
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alarm or the timer what-have-you and you
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know the thing that I I guess really
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capable of making decisions based on
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that's so cool me I I'm seriously it's
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super cool and now I feel like I'm
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giving up on a little bit of that and
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that bums me out because I like my new
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toy otherwise and it's a really nice new
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toy and I don't want and I want all
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exactly how this is going to go all
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current generation of MacBook Pros and I
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price and I just loved it I absolutely
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loved it you know the the the wonderful
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design of it just resonates well with me
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it fits my needs incredibly well even
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though it might not fit more modern
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needs in certain ways if it's my you
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well it's incredibly convenient to have
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all the nice old ports on it that I
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don't need dongles for I can have only
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USB a cables in my travel bag and be
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able to plug my phone into either
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chargers or my laptop with the same
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cable and not have to worry about two
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different kinds the keyboard is
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wonderful it just works its reliable
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it's the kind that I like the trackpad
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battery life is wonderful and the
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went back to it was that it would feel
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old or that it would that I would miss
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some of the advances the new stuff and
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in fact that didn't happen at all it
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doesn't feel old to me at all it doesn't
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look old to me at all and I don't miss
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the advances of the new stuff at all so
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it basically was all good switching back
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to it and I've been thinking for a while
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about whether I wanted to write a big
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blog post about just how much worse I
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felt the the new generation of MacBook
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Pros is and I decided to take a more
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positive approach and not even not do
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that at all I do that enough here
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but to instead really celebrate quite
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how good this laptop is and in the
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entire post while some of the things I
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point out are kind of you know
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subtly in in comparisons to the current
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model I never actually call out the
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current model I never actually named it
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I'm just talking about the context of
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how great this laptop is and that's
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really how I meant it you know the you
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know certainly it's going to serve the
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function also of serving as a critique
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of the new ones but I didn't want this
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to be a negative article I wanted this
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to be a positive article about just how
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much I love that generation of laptops
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and the great thing is you can still buy
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them if you if you if you agree with me
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Apple still sells it still sells them
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brand new if you score onto the bottom
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of the 15-inch MacBook Pro by page they
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still have this model brand-new you can
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get them plentifully on ebay and other
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resellers if you want to pay use instead
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and so it's I just love this laptop a
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lot and so I brought this big blog post
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I took some pretty pictures of it and I
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hire it's big blog post about just some
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some of the good design decisions and
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some of the things that just resonate
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with me and just how nice it is and I
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named it best laptop ever or something
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like that and I thought well I had a
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hard time coming up with a title for
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this and I and when I decided to go with
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for this I like you put something on the
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internet that says best ever and you're
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gonna hear from a lot of people who
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disagree with that
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hey especially especially when the thing
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you're saying is the best ever is not
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the current thing and the people who
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bought the current thing you're kind of
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implicitly telling them you made a
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mistake you made a bad buying decision
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although I'm telling them from the
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perspective that I too made that mistake
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and I too bought the new one twice three
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times if you count the escape and so I
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expected this to be a highly
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controversial article and I also thought
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I must be the only person who cares as
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about this generation of MacBook Pros is
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no one's really talking about them
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anymore and everyone's just kind of
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swallowing the new ones and so I really
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didn't I thought that this wouldn't go
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that far and wide and that if it did the
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response would be really really mixed
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and I'd get a lot of complaints and a
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lot of flaming and a lot of disagreement
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about what was the best ever that was
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totally not what happened it immediately
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went very far and wide even like you
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know top a hacker news immediately it
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got you know all over the place even Mac
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firm referred about it for some reason
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even though it was not news at all
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whatever and it went far and wide very
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very quickly and the shocking thing to
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me is that the response even on Hacker
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News which is horrible the response
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pretty much everywhere was nearly
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universally positive and with very very
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strong agreement not a hundred percent
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agreement but like I can write the sky
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is blue and I will get more disagreement
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than what I got from saying this was the
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best laptop ever and that's really
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saying something like if Apple has any
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reason to be concerned it's not that I
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wrote this article they don't care about
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that it's how many people agree with it
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I have gotten I'm still every day still
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responses from this but I got hundreds
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of responses hundreds of comments on
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other sites tons of inbound links and
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almost all of them agreed and that to me
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is shocking even the people who like and
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I thought for I thought like maybe the
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MacBook Air people would have a problem
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with it or maybe the 13-inch MacBook Pro
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people would have a problem with it and
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they largely didn't even the people who
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like those most of them said but you're
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right so I am just blown away by how
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much people agree with this and I got I
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heard from lots of people both who have
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the old laptops who you know who had the
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2012 through 2015
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book pro who I've heard it from tons of
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who said I'm holding on to mine I love
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it I see no reason to upgrade I hope it
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never dies tons of them who were like I
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don't know what I'm gonna get when it
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does die who I guess didn't know that
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there still make these tons of people
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who have the new ones and who regret it
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and who wish they would have kept the
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old one or have been thinking about
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switching back to the old one a handful
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of people who did what I did and who did
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switch back to the old one and are very
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happy having done that again I can't
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underestimate I can't understate how
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many people supported this this point of
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view in their responses also I think
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worrisome for Apple is pretty much no
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one cares about the touch bar and in any
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of these responses that the big
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headlining feature of this laptop touch
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bar not a lot of people care the few
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people who disagreed with it
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most of them decided that the best left
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I've ever was actually a think pad I
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disagree that wasn't me surprisingly
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yeah like so you know the most of the
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disagreement was once it's spread beyond
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the Apple crowd that the PC people
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really good though it's not it's the
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best I've ever is not it's not an apple
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you know but but they think they can
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have that I guess no no that that is is
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a die-hard I think Pat fan you are way
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closer to right than they are so anyway
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so if you if you rule out the windows
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people the the biggest counter-argument
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was that was was more theoretical it was
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more like well someone needs to push the
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industry forward and that's why Apple
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needed to go all USB see what about the
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original iMac going all USB blah blah
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blah and most of those arguments were
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honestly pretty bad I don't I disagree
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with many of those arguments I don't
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think we have time to talk about that I
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don't really care but if we do I will
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but for the most part the the response
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was just so positive and almost none of
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the people who disagreed even mentioned
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the touch bar well I guess it wasn't a
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surprise honestly but it was damning I
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would say how few people cared about the
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touch bar people to care about touch ID
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sometimes even that not not as often as
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I would have expected but for the most
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part the touch bar didn't get much of I
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mentioned
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the the new keyboard does have some fans
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people who said you know I prefer it and
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that's fine I get that if you prefer it
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that's fine I think we can all still
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agree that it's unreliable for a lot of
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people and that's a big problem but you
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know for the people who like it you can
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like it that's fine but I think the
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whole package of the old one I just
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loved so much and it just is a workhorse
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it just works and works and works for
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years and and some people did that did
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point out that that generation has had
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its issues you know the first one I got
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in 2012 had image retention that was a
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common thing that's why I made my little
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grid page it was for the 2012 right I'm
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a pro and over the years they seem to
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have fix that so that had some issues
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with some of those really screens if
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they were made by algae instead of
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Samsung that it had it has this
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continued screen delamination problem
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for some people that hasn't ever
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affected me but well and the ones with
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discrete GPUs as every MacBook Pro with
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a discrete GPU has had in the last
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probably decade or so those GPUs tend to
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die at a higher rate than an average and
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so that causes problems for people but
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we but not only have they all done that
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but we don't even know yet if the
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current generation will also do that I
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think it probably will so the overall
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the response was great and pretty much
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everybody agrees with me I guess except
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casing so I think your point is fair and
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such good coverage of this is because
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you did take the high road and said hey
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rather than telling you about why
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everything else is garbage let me tell
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you why this is good and if that
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implicitly means that other things are
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garbage then so be it
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the problem I have with it is that it is
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far more absolute or it reads is far
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more absolute then then I think is
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really true you know this the best
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laptop ever made period I mean it's not
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the best laptop for Marco it's the best
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laptop ever made and this is it yeah you
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know the look at your opening paragraph
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Apple has made many great laptops 15
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inch retina MacBook Pro 2012 2015 is he
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epitome of usefulness elegance and
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practicality and power for an overall
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package that still hasn't been and may
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never be surpassed
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like it's number it's not an
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unreasonable thesis but it's I feel like
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just some degree this entire article was
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that's fine for Marco and then and
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that's okay
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I mean it's Marco org it's not it's not
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people that are like Marco org it's
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Marco to work so I mean to some degree I
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really need to give you a bye on this
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but that's that's I think we're my
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primary complaint lies is that there are
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there are other uses for Mac laptops
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besides what you need to do as an
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example a lot of people and I think you
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were one of them had had many many
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beehives full of bees and their bonnets
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about the removal of the SD card slot in
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your right and and you were particularly
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perturbed about the removal of the SD
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card slot obviously I have no idea how
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many people do or do not use the SD card
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slot but I can tell you that I had never
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ever ever used an SD card reader ever
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until 2014 when I bought our big camera
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and I would argue that most people that
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I know anyway don't have big fancy
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cameras that take SD cards so to me if
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you were to lament the loss of the SD
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card slot that's fine for mark oh really
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I guess the loss is not fine for mark oh
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but you know what I mean like for you
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that's a big friggin problem and I'm not
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trying to patronize you like it for you
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that is a big friggin problem that's a
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big deal but for me it may not be as it
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turns out it actually is but do you see
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what I'm driving at and so I think I
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think that the thing is is that I have
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one of these computers that I use every
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single day because that's my work
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computer and you know what it's a damn
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fine computer it really really is but
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there's a lot that I wish was different
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about it as a perfect example I wish it
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had the new keyboard until it inevitably
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breaks but until that moment I wish have
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had the new keyboard because when I type
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on this thing when I go from my magic
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key my beloved magic keyboard to this it
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feels like I've gone from a steel roller
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coaster to a wooden roller
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everything is creaky and loose and just
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mushy and just just gross and I I can't
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it's not fair of me to just hand wave
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away the reliability problems are the
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new keyboards and I recognize that
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that's not fair but for me I'd love the
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feel of the new keyboards if they could
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only make a reliable version of it it
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would be tremendous well and they have
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that's not a great counter-argument like
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until they don't is until they can make
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that keyboard without pretty horrible
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side effects then you can't say well I
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wish they had that keyboard everywhere
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because trust me you don't you're right
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in now in my defense my beloved MacBook
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adorable has yet to have any keyboard
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problems that compressed air couldn't
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fix it but I haven't had and to be fair
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to you I didn't have compressed air in
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the house I had to buy myself compressed
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air to fix my six month old laptop what
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year is this pretty freakin preposterous
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and like and how often did you have to
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use compressed air to fix your keyboard
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I'm the one that you could that you
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don't like I never write but it feels
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like mush though right I really do it
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and I do I I also I want to push back a
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little bit on what you said about the SD
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card slot also because you know it seems
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like one of the counter arguments to
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this or one of the general arguments in
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support of the new direction Apple's
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taken is you know the whole thing about
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moving forward and everything people
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always say well if we dabble didn't move
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forward we'd still have VGA ports and
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guess what the world does still have EGA
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ports I believe I made that exact
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argument right you're not the only one
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but like the there there seems to be
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like a few like like brain virus themes
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among defenders where they repeat back
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some kind of dogma that doesn't actually
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apply very well or is not a very good
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argument and you know the the imac going
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all USB is a great one which doesn't
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apply at all because that was one
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desktop going all USB a consumer level
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one no less in a lineup that had plenty
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of other options that didn't go all USB
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and also it went all us being it was a
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big problem
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hidden away and then future versions
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added back a lot of ports that weren't
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you that's B so that's that's of one bad
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example there were you know other ones
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you know things like like VGA ports you
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know well VGA ports like people still
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complain well yeah you know what VGA
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ports are still around because they're
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still unwanted projectors and stuff and
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that's reality that's fine you know
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there's all sorts of bad examples but I
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think one of the thought viruses that
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that is common among Apple defenders is
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that if something is not used very often
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but or by a large percentage of people
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it should be removed that that the
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removal in and of itself is progress and
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that's not always the case you know
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there like every Apple product every
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desktop every laptop every phone I have
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ever owned has features on it that I
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have never used for instance on my
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macbook pro on all MacBook Pros
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including the current ones I never use
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the front-facing camera for anything
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ever I don't take selfies and if I'm
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going to use FaceTime I use it on my
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phone or my or an iPad I never use the
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front-facing camera on a Mac for
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anything but it has them should they
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remove the front-facing camera because I
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don't use it
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no because its presence there doesn't
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affect me in any way it's an inexpensive
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part very expensive example never
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updates them in there they're always
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terrible oh it's an inexpensive part it
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doesn't add a meaningful amount of size
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or weight or technical complexity in a
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way that gets in my way at all and for
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the few people who do use them it's
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there and if I ever really need it it's
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there for me too so even if I think I'll
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never use it it's there similarly I
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never use video output on my laptops
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because that's just on how I use laptops
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I don't have to connect into projectors
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really ever and I don't use it at home
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like that and so I don't need I don't
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need I never used the HDMI port on my
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laptops before when they still had those
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and with the new ones I never use video
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output on them either should they remove
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it because not a lot of people use it
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because it doesn't get in the way at all
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it doesn't matter at all that I never
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use it it's not a problem in my life at
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all if I ever need it it's there and
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it's there without me having to buy
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anything so like if I happen to be like
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in a hotel room or something and all of
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a sudden oh crap I have a quick need to
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show something for my laptop on this TV
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that has an HDMI port I can just take a
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regular HDMI cable it's probably already
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behind the TV unplug it from whatever
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garbage DVD player that's already there
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and plugs my laptop and haven't and I
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didn't need to go to an Apple store and
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buy a dongle I can use what I already
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have and that will probably suffice that
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is called versatility so when you when a
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computer has things on it that you might
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not think you need it there is still
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value to have them be available just in
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case you do need them sometime and as
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long as they are not really getting in
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the way like it was not necessary when
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designing the 2012 MacBook Pro to get
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rid of all these ports for like fitness
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or lightness reasons or anything else
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they're all pretty thin they're all
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pretty light they don't add a lot of
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cost or complexity or anything else that
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left them in because people use them
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sometimes on the new ones I don't know
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the details of exactly what would have
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fit in the slightly thinner case by the
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way using the old one don't notice the
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thickness difference at all don't notice
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the weight difference at all but that's
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fine you might that's good for you in
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the new ones wouldn't have killed them
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could they have included an SD card slot
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for people who use that and need that I
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think they probably could could they
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have included any other ports I think
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probably yes
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they didn't as a feature because this
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the thinking that removing things is
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itself a feature has infected Apple to
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the highest levels in addition to the
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Apple defenders so now Apple views it as
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progress or courage whatever word they
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want to use and all the defenders
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support this that removing things is
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itself a commendable thing and it's
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quote moving forward which is a
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meaningless phrase moving forward only
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means doing what we did this year like
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it's not there is no such thing like
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moving forward suggests there's like a
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certain like there's one future that
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you're moving towards inevitably
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that's not true at all like you create
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that future anyway that's that's a BS
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phrase it bothers me but the idea that
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removing things is itself something that
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we should do as soon as we can we should
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drop things as soon as we can that's not
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true for everything and I think the more
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high-end and pro you get with computing
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gear the less true that becomes because
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what pros need is not only for their
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gear including their keyboards to work
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incredibly reliably as reliably as
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possible but also pros need that
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versatility pros need the idea that if
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you're gonna be traveling somewhere with
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your gear or on some are honest set or
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instrument production environment and
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something comes up that you didn't
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foresee and because you didn't foresee
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it you probably don't have the right
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dongle if it's true Pro gear it will try
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to accommodate as many of those
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situations as possible
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that's what pros actually need an apple
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has been great at doing that in the past
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and now they're really taking I think a
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pretty quick nosedive in that area and I
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really really love so much of the old
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one because it has so much of his
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versatility and the new one took us such
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a stark change such a rapid turn in the
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much see you know I understand
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everything you just said and I can't
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with an honest heart sit here and say
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you're wrong but I can say I look at it
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differently you said just a moment ago
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if it's true boat ProGear it will try to
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accommodate as many of these situations
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these basically oh crap situations as
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possible there is a very compelling
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argument that you just made that the
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best way to do that is to have as many
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ports as possible on that device and as
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many different kinds of ports as
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possible on that device but another
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approach is what if you had one port
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that can do anything in which case yes
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you're right Marko that I would have to
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carry an HDMI dongle with me full-stop
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there's nothing I can do to argue that
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fact and buy one for $80 and by oh I
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didn't pay 80 for mine but you're still
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more right than you are wrong yeah I
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would have to buy one
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but the fact of the matter is for any
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situation that I Casey could possibly
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face any situation that I would that I
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would want to be prepared for I have
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three different USBC things that I would
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need to carry with me none of which are
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particularly large one of them is triple
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old USB and Ethernet one of them is HDMI
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and pass through USB C and by the way
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has a old usb on it and what was the
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other one shoot
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oh they the USB Sita lightning adapter
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which truth be told I could just use one
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of the dongles and in a traditional
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cable so I think the problem is is that
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your perception of versatility is
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requiring nothing but the device in my I
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shouldn't say that that I don't agree
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with that I'm implying I don't agree
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with you I do agree with you but another
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perception of versatility is we have one
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port that can do friggin anything it can
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do anything so if you need an SD card
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reader Marco and actually I do and come
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to think of it maybe that would be
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number four dongle number for like cats
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you think you have two and then
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eventually it may be more like rabbits
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than cats but but you know what I mean
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like a finding this SD card reader then
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fine I pay ten dollars or 12 or whatever
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wasn't mana price to get one but for
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Aaron who doesn't need one she doesn't
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have to have one her computer has one I
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know you know what I'm saying though you
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know what I'm saying and so it what was
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the other one oh like Ethernet ports
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like no normal human needs Ethernet
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ports anymore I do because I'm a weirdo
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you do because you're a weirdo but no
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normal human needs Ethernet ports
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anymore this is where the entire in its
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gonna write into actually you really do
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new teeth reports for the Ethernet ports
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for this then okay fine whatever
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but I would say most people who buy
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MacBook Pros don't need Ethernet ports
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and I think the problem that you and I
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have is actually the same problem and
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although we disagree on the best
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possible mechanism for fixing the
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problem I think I share most
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of your complaints and I think that by
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and large were of the same mind even if
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we're arguing about the particulars and
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I think the real honest-to-goodness
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problem and I read this I'm parroting
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somebody maybe it was you for all I know
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but somebody said to me Mary was John
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somebody said recently the problem is
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the lack of diversity in the lineup that
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Jason's no there oh is that who it was
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okay thank you there's no like 17-inch
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aircraft carrier option and I bring that
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up not because I think 17 inches is the
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right answer although here again all the
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fanboys for the 17 are gonna come out of
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the woodwork but there's no way for you
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to get the Mac Pro god help me laptop's
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right there's no way for you to say
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money be damned maybe even portability
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be damned maybe I want the most flexible
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versatile device I can get by both
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definitions I want a couple of USB C
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ports I want a couple of USB whatever
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the hell the old one is I want a seat I
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want SD card reader he'll give me a
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thicker computer so I can have onboard
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Ethernet I'll take it whatever and I
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think the problem is that there's no
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option for that and so I think it would
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make all of us feel better if there was
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an option because at least then we could
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say you know what I really don't want to
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have to buy the aircraft carrier laptop
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but it's worth it to me because I want
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all of these things and that's what
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stinks and I think that and it might
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have been you that said months ago the
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problem with one of the problems with
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MacBook Pro is that pro implies things
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but the reality of the situation is the
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MacBook Pro is the every person computer
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unless you want an adorable which I
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would argue is a much more niche device
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or a MacBook Air of course but does that
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make sense like the MacBook Pro is
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covering college students who are doing
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nothing but Google Docs all the way up
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through you know people are doing Final
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Cut Pro on film sets in and doing 3d
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rendering your VR development like
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spoiler VR people can't expect right now
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with the external GPUs yes I know okay
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right so I think the problem is what's
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now had
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I think a little while ago now was that
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there are there is no choice and that
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means that if I want to choose to have
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more ports or if I want to choose to
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have a laptop that is actually reliable
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or a keyboard that's actually reliable
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I'm screwed because I got nothing it's
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then I'm good buying a think pad and
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that's not a fun place to be
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or 2015 which is still a valid choice
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they won't be in forever but right now
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adays yeah no I mean that's that's all
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very very fair and and I will say also
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you know to to defend to refute
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something which you didn't quite argue
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but that people will hear in your
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argument and will argue with me against
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sorry USBC can be great you had the the
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idea of having versatile USB seaports on
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a laptop is is great and you're right
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that USB C port scan offer a great
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degree of versatility my problem with
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USB C one of my problems the USB see a
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whole article about some other ones but
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one of my problems with USB C is that I
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don't think that I don't think the
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ecosystem is ready for that to be our
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only port I think I think the the last
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year or so has has really supported that
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view that the ecosystem just is not
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there and it's going to be maybe be a
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few more years before it's there and one
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of the counter-arguments I've heard over
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the last few days about this is Apple
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needed to do this because it would push
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the industry to finally make more USB C
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peripherals just like the iMac push them
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to make USB peripherals to things a the
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iMac didn't push them to make USB
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peripherals the iMac wasn't that popular
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relative to the entire world of pcs the
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entire world of pcs was already making
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USB peripherals they were going to make
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them anyway and it just so happened the
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Mac benefited from some of them with the
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iMac secondly the the the idea that
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Apple going all USB C will push the
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energy to make USB C peripherals that's
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a great theory so far that hasn't
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happened
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the original USB see MacBook the map
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book 1 slash adorable slash 12-inch came
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out now but two and a half years ago
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that would that was the first Mac with
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you it with USB C port and MacBook Pros
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went all USB C now a little over a year
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and we still have a fair
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immature fairly incomplete and fairly
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unreliable selection of USBC gear out
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there it's still a really immature and
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inconsistent market that has a lot of
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big holes in it I don't think that the
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industry has been forced by Apple to
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make great stuff the reality is there's
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a lot of media crap and some of its good
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most of it isn't
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I think if Apple would have continued to
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ship old ports alongside USBC basically
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like if you SBC ports became the new
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Thunderbolt ports where most Apple
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laptops would have two of them along
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with other ones you know maybe it meet
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you know me and maybe you can keep maybe
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even have for them on the on a MacBook
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Pro on the fifth the big ones you know
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and and because you know you can do that
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there they're pretty small there you
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know they have very high technical needs
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you know the idea that all of them can
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be charging ports and Thunderbolt ports
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means that Apple pretty much can't make
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say a 15-inch with six of them are eight
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of them because they can do too much you
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know whereas like the old ones you can
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connect a total of more devices before
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you have to go to dongles or hubs
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because some of those ports are pretty
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simple to add there you know that
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they're pretty low needs dumb ports on
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the old ones but when every single port
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you add has to be able to charge the
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computer and be a thunderbolt port by
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your own design you can't have as many
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of them that you know that you run into
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issues with maximum bandwidth on the
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Thunderbolt controllers you know
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chipsets costs running wires etc so I
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think the better way to do this
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transition would have been you know have
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an actual transition happen not just
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like jumping to the deep end with all
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USBC to have an intermediary generation
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or at least like a high-end model like
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at least the 15-inch where there's more
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room for things and more budget for
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things have an intermediate where like
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you basically have some of the old ports
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and an SD card reader and some like that
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and then you you have replaced
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thunderbolt ports with USBC ports that
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would have been great if that laptop
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would ever exist from Apple that would
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have a high chance of being the best
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laptop ever be
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because then you have all the
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versatility of USBC you have the higher
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bandwidth for the higher you know needs
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of it for things like 5k displays that
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would be awesome but then you don't have
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to I don't think I think in this world I
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don't think you have to give up the
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versatility of having one or two USB a
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ports on there also and having an SD
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card reader and maybe an HDMI port
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because these are things that are either
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difficult clunky or unreliable to do
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with adapters and dongles so far that
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would have been a very different
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reception to this machine I think than
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what we actually got John you've been
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quiet I did already talked a lot about
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this today's episode of upgrade I
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haven't more in-depth commentary for me
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on this but I did one thing I didn't
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talk about specifically about this
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article is and I just scroll through it
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again to see if I was mistaken
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I seem to have recalled something in the
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article it's not actually there but I
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not really the substance of what you're
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the title is the best laps I've ever
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they're like it's not actually that much
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Intel's progress on their laptop CPUs
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hasn't been that great and because you
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know like think it's not it doesn't feel
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like you're using an old computer and
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part of that like that's what I'm
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wrapping up this like okay well I can
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see where you come from this article
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because if that's part of your
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definition what that does is it excludes
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all the other laptops it excludes the
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power book 101 70 it excludes the wall
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excludes the 13-inch MacBook Air because
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all those are really old and really slow
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by modern standards or don't have Retina
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screen so don't have color screens or
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whatever the case may be right and if
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you narrow your definition in that way
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the only real contenders are the other
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laptops that can kind of hang with the
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modern ones so that's basically just
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this generation which Apple still sells
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and maybe one generation before you can
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make some arguments for depending on how
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you're going to do trade-offs or
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whatever and
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I think that narrowing of the definition
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is lessens the idea that this is the
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best laptop ever made because if I'm
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thinking of the best laptop I read I'm
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not going to put that qualifier on I'm
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not gonna say I don't by the way it has
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to be like something that is that I
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could reasonably use today and it
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wouldn't feel slow because that includes
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too many great laptops and then you know
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if and I think most people took that
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implicit framing right because if they
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didn't everyone would be you know bullet
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coming out of the woodwork and saying
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that their old favorite laptop from like
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20 years ago or something right it's the
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best one arguably to think that people
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are actually doing that but modern thing
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pads are really as great as whatever one
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they're trying to decide I have no idea
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they're not even though I would probably
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go for like the 2011 ish 13-inch MacBook
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Air as a better overall laptop this one
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big is this 15-inch like you know you've
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heard my complaint said before but like
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design wise like the keyboard is too
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small the the arrow keys should be
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full-sized not like the current ones but
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like an actual inverted T that Dix tends
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downward from the keyboard like it is
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very wide at large and not particularly
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portable as far as portables go and I
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just feel like the 13-inch air is a
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better laptop but you're not gonna use a
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13-inch air to get your job done today
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it is slower and it's worse and it's
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non-retina and it's just you know it's
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not a better laptop in this but if you
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do best ever made you know so that is
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anyway that is more of a meta issue that
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I think you know I think most people
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took it in the spirit that Marko
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intended it but the the title doesn't
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doesn't reflect that and that the spirit
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Marko intended it excludes
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uh you know saves him from a lot of
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criticism that would be warranted if the
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scope was widened up because honestly I
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don't think this laptop in the in the
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pantheon of Apple laptops is the best
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one or two or three like it's maybe in
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the top five really but you know it
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really depends like I was never I was
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never in love with this model of laptop
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and I there are a lot of things about it
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that are suboptimal it only really
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shines when you consider that hey it's
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still a pretty great laptop and when and
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when you you know whether again implied
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and that supposedly stated when you
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start to compare it to
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the 2016-2017 months because I don't
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think those laptop struck a good balance
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and I don't think a lot of people really
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love them and I think the touch bar is
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kind of a dud and all the things that we
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talked about a million times that that's
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sort of the opposite of reflected glory
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like you know as compared to the current
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line suddenly this 2015 looks a hell of
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a lot better and I feel like that sort
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of the opposite of the basking in the
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reflected glory like I'd be basking in
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the reflected crappiness of the the
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modern ones is what makes this laptop
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seem so great so I think this is more
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like how Marco has found love with it
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with an older computer it's really not
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that much older but is less about in the
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pantheon of all laptops or even just all
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Apple portables how great this one
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particular model is because there there
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are many things to not recommend this
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model and when I look at it all I can
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see is all the things I've always
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complained about it that I just feel
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like this exact laptop could have been
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better with all the same features but
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but that's not what we're talking about
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here that sometimes already get hung up
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on that but that's this that's what I
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came away from sorry the larger point
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about the balance being struck what I'm
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you know the mark I said before that so
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many people agree with it the main thing
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I am i I kind of can't get past is the
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idea that like so many so many of the
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people so often when you complain about
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a product like I don't know what Apple
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should have done instead but I don't
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like this one and it's not really
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helpful and it's kind of apples job to
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figure out like you know it's not it's
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not customers job to tell Apple exactly
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what to do they just can be satisfied or
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not satisfied and their customer sad
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about their but in the case of the new
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laptops I think people who have
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complaints know exactly what they
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specifically want that like that it
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would be so easy to make a laptop that
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was satisfied all the people who were
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dissatisfied with the current one like
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and maybe it's 17 different laptops from
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17 different people but there's no
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mystery like and you know just you know
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experience of dealing with this input
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and going conference rooms if you're in
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a conference room every single day and
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you constantly have to deal with that
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dongle to plug in HDMI all people are
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not there's no mystery they say put an
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HDMI port on right yep I would be
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I you know can you make this computer
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better put max iPhone app an HDMI port
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an SD part like and throw that in front
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of all these people actually that would
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probably be enough it really and they'll
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be like well you know I don't use the
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HDMI but I care about the SD I don't use
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the SD but I care about the HDMI I don't
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really care about mac safe but I would
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like it's so easy to just say you like
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it's not a mystery what you need to do
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Apple make it slightly different
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slightly different feature set like
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Marco said you don't have to have all
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the ports but like everyone loves all
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the USB C and Thunderbolt notes are all
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great and everything just a few little
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tweaks here in there and don't make the
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keyboard so damn small to make me happy
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and make it more reliable right there
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close but everybody knows every it's an
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open secret like how can you make these
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Wow I wonder how we can make these more
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appealing we all know how to do it more
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for the better ports like bigger
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keyboard arrow keys that are easier to
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find reliable like it's it's right there
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and touch bar you know do you need it do
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you not lead it no one really loves it I
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don't even know how to go with that and
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that's what's frustrating normally if
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people don't like something or it's
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unsatisfactory in some way they don't
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know like exactly how to fix it and this
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the solutions just seems so obvious and
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not to say that that's what Apple should
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do because we're always asking up like
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don't do the obvious thing that people
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know that they want do the thing they
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didn't even know they wanted right
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that's apples job well so I'm not saying
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how to do it right exactly but but I'm
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not saying Apple should like oh just
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just do what people expect right they
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have to do what people don't expect they
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have to try to go above beyond they have
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to you know push the limits with you
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know touch ID and face ID and all the
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things they do but when they miss then
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it starts to feel like oh I wish they
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had just on the obvious thing all right
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so what's the solution should they
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now backpedal into the obvious thing or
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this should make should they make try
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number two at the transcendent thing and
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I think Marcos criticized them a lot in
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the past of like Apple don't feel like
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you always have to like every single
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time be transcendent because we wait too
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long these big transcendent things and
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so if you miss one of them nobody wants
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to wait around for another five years of
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unsatisfying unreliable laptops that are
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shaped like this backpedal and do the
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obvious thing while you regroup you know
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and and as I think I said an upgrade
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they could be doing that right now
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hardware timelines being
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hardware timelines being
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they are there's only so much they can
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do in response to dissatisfaction and
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the final thing like we've done in this
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novel coil but before we get off it is
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like Apple just reported its results and
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they're selling a ton of Max and I think
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they're selling a ton of these laptops
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and we're just we're back to success
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Heights problems yeah people have
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complaints but look at the numbers if if
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the metrics you're looking at don't
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reflect the supposed to dissatisfaction
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then either we're all wrong and we're in
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the minority and Apple is on the right
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path and everything will be fine or
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they're measuring things the wrong way
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so I I you know I think based on vague
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hints from the roundtable that I
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continue to read things into that Mac
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roundtable that and the fact that they
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did try to adjust the keyboard and the
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fact that the keyboards really do appear
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to have reliability problems that Apple
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will do something and make different
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decisions about the next major revision
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to the laptop line not just putting
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rubber gaskets in the keys because
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that's all they can do in the time
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allotted to them but in whatever the
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next round of MacBook Pros that come out
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that actually get to meaningfully
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incorporate the the feedback that we
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feel like we're all providing and that
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people may be providing with all their
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lives in different services whatever
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that I think Apple will make different
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choices and I think they will make
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adjustments that make these more
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satisfactory and perhaps will make Marco
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revisit whether this 2015 computer is
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indeed the best laptop that Apple ever
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can make because like he said he really
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hopes that that's not the case and I
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think it won't be the case he just needs
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to wait a little bit longer all right
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thanks for sponsors this week simple
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contacts Squarespace and betterment and
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now the show is over they didn't even
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mean to begin because it was accidental
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oh it was accidental
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johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't
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let him because it was accidentally was
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I think we have one obvious choice for
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the after show what is up with this
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Tesla Roadster yeah
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actually honestly I think the semi it
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might be the more interesting one but
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you're wrong about that the semi is now
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this morning I mean maybe more impactful
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or maybe they're both vaporware but the
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Tesla Roadster is obviously much more
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exciting
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so no snark or joke intended can you set
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up for me what this event was because I
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had heard that there was going to be a
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Tesla event but I really honestly didn't
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know much about it and I don't follow
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Tesla that closely so I don't I don't
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have a good feel for what the
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significance of this event was John D I
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mean I I don't honestly I don't follow
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them that closely I don't I never watch
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their events live because I find them a
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little bit insufferable that's oh I just
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kind of see we know what news comes out
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of them afterwards so this was as far as
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I know this was an event ostensibly to
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reveal the Tesla semi truck and then the
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Roadster I think was the one more thing
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even though it has been kind of teased
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for a little while but no one really
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knew anything about it yet yeah that's
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my impression do I also don't follow
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that closely but yeah this was a semi
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event but I wasn't shocked to see the
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secret for such a long time the Roadster
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was their first car and you know they're
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gonna revisit that it seemed like an
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obvious thing they were going to do and
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guess what they did it and yeah so I
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didn't watch it live you there I just
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caught the news after the fact but I
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think it's I think it's interesting
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because if you said oh Tesla is gonna do
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a roadster that makes perfect sense they
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make a big four-door sedan and they make
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a smaller four-door sedan and the
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original car was the Roadster and it's
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obvious that there's probably a market
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for a sporty car and so here is their
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sporty car but I was surprised at
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exactly the form this sporty car took in
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many respects like so it's called the
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but there's not much air above your head
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like just before I even think about what
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this car does if you look at it
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more like a coupe with a section of the
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roof that comes off and I feel like the
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sort of open air that's not unusual
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that's like Porsche was huge into that
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think of even thinking I know it's more
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like a targets Leslie even the Boxster
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has more open air let alone like a you
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know a proper convertible right so it is
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it feels less open than I would have
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expected it to be it looks just more
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like a coupe and so it'd be have to call
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it roadster because you know the first
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thing was called the roadster and
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there's like the family thing or
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whatever but what they've essentially
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made is like you said like a target type
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of thing which is fine it just doesn't
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match with the name and the second thing
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I was surprised by was like it's not
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just like oh here's a sporty er you know
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it's a two-door sporty version so you
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don't have to have a big family sedan
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it's a kind of a fun sporty car seem
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like in typical Tesla fashion they were
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going for the jugular and saying no no
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you don't understand we're making a
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hyper car look at these numbers right
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250 mile an hour plus top speed which is
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pretty impressive even for hyper cars
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because they generally then tend to go
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for a downforce and the cost of top
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speed unless you're talking about the
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Veyron or something or the cheer on or
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whatever the new one is 0c in 1.9
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seconds which is a very typical Elon
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doubt this car can hit but you know they
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just wanted to have a number with a 1 in
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front of it for the shock value is it
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necessary and then the price like