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251: Uninstall Your Water Reminder App!

 

02:00:00   they expect a certain level of support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:01   for that money and I did not want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7201">TS</a>]

02:00:03   offer that level of support for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7203">TS</a>]

02:00:05   anticipated very low customer volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7205">TS</a>]

02:00:07   that this would probably generate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:09   then secondarily I realized like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7209">TS</a>]

02:00:11   actually like strategic benefits to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7211">TS</a>]

02:00:14   for overcast where if I supply the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7214">TS</a>]

02:00:17   encoder and I and and I'm and I control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7217">TS</a>]

02:00:20   the encoders UI and features for a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7220">TS</a>]

02:00:23   of popular podcasts and I also control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7223">TS</a>]

02:00:25   the podcast app then I can do cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7225">TS</a>]

02:00:28   features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7228">TS</a>]

02:00:29   I can implement new features I can I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7229">TS</a>]

02:00:31   extend the implementations of current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7231">TS</a>]

02:00:33   features so for instance one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7233">TS</a>]

02:00:34   features that observant listeners might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7234">TS</a>]

02:00:37   have noticed in a TP and an overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7237">TS</a>]

02:00:39   over the last couple of months is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7239">TS</a>]

02:00:42   I've had the ability to basically create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7242">TS</a>]

02:00:45   invisible chapters chapters that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7245">TS</a>]

02:00:48   show up in the chapter list but that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7248">TS</a>]

02:00:50   a certain time stamp show a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7250">TS</a>]

02:00:52   image or a link or both and but-but-but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7252">TS</a>]

02:00:56   just are not in the table of contents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7256">TS</a>]

02:00:57   not in the list of chapters this is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7257">TS</a>]

02:01:01   of the mp3 chapter spec there's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7261">TS</a>]

02:01:02   they actually say like oh not every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7262">TS</a>]

02:01:04   chapter needs to be a member of a table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7264">TS</a>]

02:01:05   of contents you could for instance show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7265">TS</a>]

02:01:07   us just show something at a certain time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7267">TS</a>]

02:01:09   but no apps implemented that both in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7269">TS</a>]

02:01:12   encoding or the playing side because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7272">TS</a>]

02:01:15   controlled the encoder and the player I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7275">TS</a>]

02:01:16   implemented that and so now we have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7276">TS</a>]

02:01:19   cool feature that we can do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7279">TS</a>]

02:01:20   podcasts where you can have invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7280">TS</a>]

02:01:22   chapters so if you don't if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7282">TS</a>]

02:01:25   show a certain link like right now or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7285">TS</a>]

02:01:26   certain picture right now without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7286">TS</a>]

02:01:28   disrupting the semantic structure of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7288">TS</a>]

02:01:31   chapter that you're currently in or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:33   you want to show links or images at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7293">TS</a>]

02:01:36   certain times without having the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7296">TS</a>]

02:01:38   the show even have chapters without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7298">TS</a>]

02:01:41   having a chapter structure for the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7301">TS</a>]

02:01:43   of the show at all you can now do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7303">TS</a>]

02:01:45   that's a cool feature and I'm only able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7305">TS</a>]

02:01:47   to do that feature because I control an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7307">TS</a>]

02:01:49   encoder and the player and so I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7309">TS</a>]

02:01:53   like the more people who use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7313">TS</a>]

02:01:55   encoder the better it works out for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7315">TS</a>]

02:01:59   overcast and for podcasting as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7319">TS</a>]

02:02:00   and so I decided you know what because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7320">TS</a>]

02:02:04   of the combination of those strategic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7324">TS</a>]

02:02:05   benefits and the fact that any paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7325">TS</a>]

02:02:08   income would probably be pretty small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7328">TS</a>]

02:02:10   and would probably bring a large support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7330">TS</a>]

02:02:12   burden for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7332">TS</a>]

02:02:13   smallness I decided free was the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7333">TS</a>]

02:02:17   approach so it's free but it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7337">TS</a>]

02:02:21   free you have an interesting business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7341">TS</a>]

02:02:23   model sort of at the bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7343">TS</a>]

02:02:26   forecast page at overcast FM / forecast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7346">TS</a>]

02:02:29   oh yeah I say something along the lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7349">TS</a>]

02:02:31   of like you know if you use this and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7351">TS</a>]

02:02:34   find it useful for your podcasts I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7354">TS</a>]

02:02:37   appreciate if you occasionally promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7357">TS</a>]

02:02:38   it overcast and you don't have to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7358">TS</a>]

02:02:40   it's not a requirement and if it's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7360">TS</a>]

02:02:42   it's a show where that doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7362">TS</a>]

02:02:43   sense like I was thinking of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7363">TS</a>]

02:02:45   look nice today like I know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7365">TS</a>]

02:02:46   not really production anymore but like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7366">TS</a>]

02:02:48   show like you look nice today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7368">TS</a>]

02:02:50   or even like Dubai Friday which I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7370">TS</a>]

02:02:52   of use it's like a spiritual successor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:54   it doesn't make sense to promote things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7374">TS</a>]

02:02:57   in a show like that like that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7377">TS</a>]

02:02:58   contextually fit it would sound weird so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7378">TS</a>]

02:03:02   like I don't want you promoting overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7382">TS</a>]

02:03:04   in a show like that but if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7384">TS</a>]

02:03:06   show which most people do of like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7386">TS</a>]

02:03:09   end you have like oh please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7389">TS</a>]

02:03:10   you know rate us on iTunes and subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7390">TS</a>]

02:03:12   and just it sure whenever else occasion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7392">TS</a>]

02:03:15   we throw an overcast there that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7395">TS</a>]

02:03:16   that's my business model is like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7396">TS</a>]

02:03:18   feel like it and if you can I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7398">TS</a>]

02:03:20   appreciate if you promoted overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7400">TS</a>]

02:03:21   sometimes but you don't have to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7401">TS</a>]

02:03:25   are you hiding this application I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7405">TS</a>]

02:03:26   read the web page when you linked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7406">TS</a>]

02:03:27   Twitter but now mark org slash apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7407">TS</a>]

02:03:30   doesn't list it that seems like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7410">TS</a>]

02:03:31   oversight yeah I still have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7411">TS</a>]

02:03:33   places I need to update this it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7413">TS</a>]

02:03:35   of a soft launch I was basically launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7415">TS</a>]

02:03:36   it on Twitter the overcast site does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7416">TS</a>]

02:03:38   link to it from anyway overcast FM / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7418">TS</a>]

02:03:45   forecast all right know what the icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7425">TS</a>]

02:03:48   looks like the icon is is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7428">TS</a>]

02:03:51   tongue-in-cheek joke it was created by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7431">TS</a>]

02:03:54   this wonderful the wonderful forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7434">TS</a>]

02:03:57   towel the designer who does all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7437">TS</a>]

02:04:00   relay FM artwork I hired him to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7440">TS</a>]

02:04:02   icon and it's so good point nine come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7442">TS</a>]

02:04:06   you're better than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7446">TS</a>]

02:04:08   what is it at one point I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7448">TS</a>]

02:04:12   release hi Sierra - don't you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7452">TS</a>]

02:04:15   semver has weird problems with version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7455">TS</a>]

02:04:17   numbers that begin with zero you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7457">TS</a>]

02:04:18   know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7458">TS</a>]

02:04:19   yeah anyway I should I should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7459">TS</a>]

02:04:23   put the icon on the app page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7463">TS</a>]

02:04:27   downloaded to see the icon so what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7467">TS</a>]

02:04:29   the joke you don't get the joke oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7469">TS</a>]

02:04:30   so good it's a German flag but an F [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7470">TS</a>]

02:04:34   alright yeah I see I thought it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7474">TS</a>]

02:04:36   some sort of I should have known I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7476">TS</a>]

02:04:38   should some sports thing like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7478">TS</a>]

02:04:39   sports logo or something I see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7479">TS</a>]

02:04:41   German flag colors now yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7481">TS</a>]

02:04:43   yeah and a few Germans got it in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7483">TS</a>]

02:04:44   and therefore that made it worth it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7484">TS</a>]

02:04:46   how do you look at this application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:49   how do you how do you feel about I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7489">TS</a>]

02:04:52   I know this is like a utility and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7492">TS</a>]

02:04:54   like you don't really care that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7494">TS</a>]

02:04:55   about the UI it's very utilitarian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7495">TS</a>]

02:04:56   applications for all the reasons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7496">TS</a>]

02:04:57   listed and even some part of the UI you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7497">TS</a>]

02:05:00   don't even use but it also doesn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7500">TS</a>]

02:05:03   like you spent much time worrying about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7503">TS</a>]

02:05:06   what the window would look like like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7506">TS</a>]

02:05:08   might have if this was gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7508">TS</a>]

02:05:09   commercial application like it just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7509">TS</a>]

02:05:11   of is just kind of there like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7511">TS</a>]

02:05:13   things aren't badly aligned except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7513">TS</a>]

02:05:15   maybe a little bit too much space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7515">TS</a>]

02:05:16   between the buttons and the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7516">TS</a>]

02:05:18   thing but it certainly is not not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7518">TS</a>]

02:05:22   particularly showy application let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7522">TS</a>]

02:05:23   no it really isn't at all and and I take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7523">TS</a>]

02:05:26   full ownership of that that this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7526">TS</a>]

02:05:28   a pretty UI this is not a highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7528">TS</a>]

02:05:30   polished UI if you do what I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7530">TS</a>]

02:05:33   never do which is if you manually enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7533">TS</a>]

02:05:35   chapters it's really unpolished so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7535">TS</a>]

02:05:39   this is not you know something that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7539">TS</a>]

02:05:42   really proud of the UI this to me is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7542">TS</a>]

02:05:45   is a highly functional app you know most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7545">TS</a>]

02:05:47   of what I like and I mentioned on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7547">TS</a>]

02:05:50   show a few times before but I also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7550">TS</a>]

02:05:53   a tool that helps align double ender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7553">TS</a>]

02:05:55   files and and remove drift in them this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7555">TS</a>]

02:05:58   is not that tool and I understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7558">TS</a>]

02:06:01   people think it might be because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7561">TS</a>]

02:06:02   talked about that tool before this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7562">TS</a>]

02:06:04   separate tool that tool is an even less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7564">TS</a>]

02:06:06   polished command line app that has tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7566">TS</a>]

02:06:10   of weird bugs edge cases if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7570">TS</a>]

02:06:12   use it exactly the way I use it and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7572">TS</a>]

02:06:14   then sometimes if you do and so that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7574">TS</a>]

02:06:17   nowhere near releasable state and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7577">TS</a>]

02:06:19   doesn't even have a GUI at all and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7579">TS</a>]

02:06:21   the command line version is really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7581">TS</a>]

02:06:22   particularly releasable this is a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7582">TS</a>]

02:06:26   step above that you know this has a GUI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7586">TS</a>]

02:06:28   it is not a good interface it is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7588">TS</a>]

02:06:31   polished interface but this is a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7591">TS</a>]

02:06:33   for pro workflows that are like mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7593">TS</a>]

02:06:38   even if no one else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7598">TS</a>]

02:06:41   every uses it it works great for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7601">TS</a>]

02:06:43   so I'm happy with that it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7603">TS</a>]

02:06:45   justify spending a lot of time on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7605">TS</a>]

02:06:48   like polishing it up when I also am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7608">TS</a>]

02:06:50   maintaining overcast and having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7610">TS</a>]

02:06:52   update that and move that forward on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7612">TS</a>]

02:06:53   everything so it's probably never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7613">TS</a>]

02:06:56   be incredibly polished in the UI I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7616">TS</a>]

02:07:00   want to make sure that it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7620">TS</a>]

02:07:01   useful and so you know like many Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7621">TS</a>]

02:07:04   Tools its kind of ugly but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7624">TS</a>]

02:07:06   functional you should a drawer I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7626">TS</a>]

02:07:09   actually had a drawer and one of the bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7629">TS</a>]

02:07:11   one of the early versions I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7631">TS</a>]

02:07:14   like you know it would be like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7634">TS</a>]

02:07:16   the things that was an obvious next step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7636">TS</a>]

02:07:19   for features for this app is to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7639">TS</a>]

02:07:21   little player and to have it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7641">TS</a>]

02:07:23   preview and simulate like you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7643">TS</a>]

02:07:25   the chapters would look in a player and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7645">TS</a>]

02:07:27   and be able to seek to them and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7647">TS</a>]

02:07:28   them and everything to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7648">TS</a>]

02:07:29   they're right you gotta bring back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7649">TS</a>]

02:07:31   old visualizer from overcast yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7651">TS</a>]

02:07:33   still have all that code obviously yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7653">TS</a>]

02:07:36   and and so if you're gonna add a player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7656">TS</a>]

02:07:37   to this a drawer is kind of the obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7657">TS</a>]

02:07:40   way to just deprecated that like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7660">TS</a>]

02:07:47   year I probably no I mean I wouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7667">TS</a>]

02:07:49   it but I was tempted to do it floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7669">TS</a>]

02:07:53   brush metal window is the clear way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7673">TS</a>]

02:07:54   do that oh yeah definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7674">TS</a>]

02:07:56   textured sorry it's not brush man yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7676">TS</a>]

02:07:58   looks like I sink alright so I have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7678">TS</a>]

02:08:01   questions for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7681">TS</a>]

02:08:02   number one do you have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7682">TS</a>]

02:08:05   analytics anywhere just so you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7685">TS</a>]

02:08:08   was this market as small as you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7688">TS</a>]

02:08:09   or have you had you know eleventy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7689">TS</a>]

02:08:11   billion downloads and turns out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7691">TS</a>]

02:08:13   might have miscalculated I can figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7693">TS</a>]

02:08:16   this out now or later I don't need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7696">TS</a>]

02:08:18   this like in the app and so I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7698">TS</a>]

02:08:20   yet in order to distribute this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7700">TS</a>]

02:08:23   outside of the App Store which and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7703">TS</a>]

02:08:25   honestly like I wasn't trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7705">TS</a>]

02:08:26   some kind of giant political statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7706">TS</a>]

02:08:27   by not being in the App Store there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7707">TS</a>]

02:08:29   just no need for me to be in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7709">TS</a>]

02:08:30   Store so I wasn't I did I didn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7710">TS</a>]

02:08:32   that it was worth the the burdens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7712">TS</a>]

02:08:34   being in the App Store for no benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7714">TS</a>]

02:08:36   really so I'm not in the App Store so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7716">TS</a>]

02:08:40   had to build in distribution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7720">TS</a>]

02:08:42   functionality I had to build an auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7722">TS</a>]

02:08:44   updating and the way you do are updating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7724">TS</a>]

02:08:46   in Mac apps is through the sparkle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7726">TS</a>]

02:08:48   framework this how pretty much everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7728">TS</a>]

02:08:50   does it everyone who used a Mac app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7730">TS</a>]

02:08:52   that is not from the App Store has seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7732">TS</a>]

02:08:54   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7734">TS</a>]

02:08:55   little windows and say like you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7735">TS</a>]

02:08:56   it's available do you want to install an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7736">TS</a>]

02:08:57   app you know ROM me later or skip this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7737">TS</a>]

02:09:00   version and you click install now and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7740">TS</a>]

02:09:01   shows like a little like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7741">TS</a>]

02:09:02   progress bar then it quits and relaunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7742">TS</a>]

02:09:04   is the app there's a reason why those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7744">TS</a>]

02:09:06   are the same across pretty much every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7746">TS</a>]

02:09:08   app they all use the same framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7748">TS</a>]

02:09:09   called sparkle and so the way sparkle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7749">TS</a>]

02:09:12   works is once a day or whatever when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7752">TS</a>]

02:09:16   launch the app it checks a server's RSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7756">TS</a>]

02:09:20   feed and it's a special RSS feed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7760">TS</a>]

02:09:22   ink that is four versions of the app so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7762">TS</a>]

02:09:25   for me to distribute this I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7765">TS</a>]

02:09:27   basically build all that and I when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7767">TS</a>]

02:09:29   made quitter I built like a very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7769">TS</a>]

02:09:31   basic version of that that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7771">TS</a>]

02:09:32   basically all like shell scripts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7772">TS</a>]

02:09:34   would generate static files and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7774">TS</a>]

02:09:36   upload them to my server for forecast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7776">TS</a>]

02:09:38   this is an overcast product I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7778">TS</a>]

02:09:40   this live to live on the overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7780">TS</a>]

02:09:41   servers I wanted to finally do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7781">TS</a>]

02:09:43   little bit better of a job so I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7783">TS</a>]

02:09:45   made my own crappy little version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7785">TS</a>]

02:09:47   iTunes Connect or hit where like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7787">TS</a>]

02:09:50   upload a build and a script on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7790">TS</a>]

02:09:53   server reads the build number and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7793">TS</a>]

02:09:55   version number out of that build signs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7795">TS</a>]

02:09:58   it for for sparkle update mechanism like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7798">TS</a>]

02:10:01   there's a signature involved so signs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7801">TS</a>]

02:10:04   for that and then creates like an entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7804">TS</a>]

02:10:07   then I can enter release notes in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7807">TS</a>]

02:10:08   entry and I can say whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7808">TS</a>]

02:10:10   released or not so I can actually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7810">TS</a>]

02:10:12   easily add a thing to this system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7812">TS</a>]

02:10:15   remembers how many people check that RSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7815">TS</a>]

02:10:18   feed every day and important reports to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7818">TS</a>]

02:10:19   me roughly how many users there are or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7819">TS</a>]

02:10:22   can just log like how many downloads the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7822">TS</a>]

02:10:24   file has which I also don't do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7824">TS</a>]

02:10:26   probably should be doing that but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7826">TS</a>]

02:10:27   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7827">TS</a>]

02:10:28   but overall the response I've gotten on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7828">TS</a>]

02:10:32   Twitter so far has been huge it was it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7832">TS</a>]

02:10:36   been way bigger than I expected and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7836">TS</a>]

02:10:39   think this is really this is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7839">TS</a>]

02:10:41   good sign there's a lot more podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7841">TS</a>]

02:10:45   producers out there that then the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7845">TS</a>]

02:10:48   I know I said it isn't so many that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7848">TS</a>]

02:10:52   regret really producing it for free be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7852">TS</a>]

02:10:55   it I think if it wasn't free many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7855">TS</a>]

02:10:56   them wouldn't try it because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7856">TS</a>]

02:10:57   know me and this is just some random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7857">TS</a>]

02:10:58   thing but because it's free it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7858">TS</a>]

02:11:02   spreading pretty wide wider than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7862">TS</a>]

02:11:04   expect it at the spread so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7864">TS</a>]

02:11:05   especially since I'm linking to it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7865">TS</a>]

02:11:07   nowhere on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7867">TS</a>]

02:11:07   so so yeah so far it's it's going pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7867">TS</a>]

02:11:11   well good and because it's my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7871">TS</a>]

02:11:16   thing to ask what was the either hardest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7876">TS</a>]

02:11:19   or crummiest part of the entire process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7879">TS</a>]

02:11:21   and I think that you're under the radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7881">TS</a>]

02:11:23   episode talked about a lot of the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7883">TS</a>]

02:11:26   oh the app is done but there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7886">TS</a>]

02:11:29   more to do and like you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7889">TS</a>]

02:11:30   about like you're you're Marco connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7890">TS</a>]

02:11:32   you know in order your fake iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7892">TS</a>]

02:11:34   Connect and all that had to be written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7894">TS</a>]

02:11:35   but but over the entire process from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7895">TS</a>]

02:11:38   start to finish including all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7898">TS</a>]

02:11:39   administrivia you had to do what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7899">TS</a>]

02:11:41   you say was the either the hardest or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7901">TS</a>]

02:11:43   the most difficult or crummiest part to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7903">TS</a>]

02:11:46   deal with by far the hardest part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7906">TS</a>]

02:11:49   this app is just learning app kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7909">TS</a>]

02:11:53   you know it's learning how to make mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7913">TS</a>]

02:11:54   apps you know I had made quitter before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7914">TS</a>]

02:11:57   and I made a couple of little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7917">TS</a>]

02:11:58   experimental dumb crap before that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7918">TS</a>]

02:12:01   this is the first time that I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7921">TS</a>]

02:12:03   have made a Mac app of any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7923">TS</a>]

02:12:06   substance now the good thing is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7926">TS</a>]

02:12:10   applicant provides a lot of really rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7930">TS</a>]

02:12:12   functionality built in so like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7932">TS</a>]

02:12:14   entire document model I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7934">TS</a>]

02:12:16   worry that much about like windowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7936">TS</a>]

02:12:19   opening saving save as stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7939">TS</a>]

02:12:22   like a lot of that comes for free and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7942">TS</a>]

02:12:24   that's pretty great but the the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7944">TS</a>]

02:12:27   the actual UI works like the way those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7947">TS</a>]

02:12:29   table views work and the text fields [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7949">TS</a>]

02:12:31   inside the table views and the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7951">TS</a>]

02:12:33   matters and the bindings to an array [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7953">TS</a>]

02:12:35   controller all those weird stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7955">TS</a>]

02:12:37   know to to an iOS developer mainly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7957">TS</a>]

02:12:40   might as well be Android like it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7960">TS</a>]

02:12:42   different from the way iOS works that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7962">TS</a>]

02:12:45   it's it's like starting over from zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7965">TS</a>]

02:12:48   so I'm making mac apps as though I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7968">TS</a>]

02:12:52   complete novice because for the Mac I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7972">TS</a>]

02:12:54   that has been the hardest part is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7974">TS</a>]

02:12:57   you know I'm used to working at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7977">TS</a>]

02:12:59   certain speed and proficiency and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7979">TS</a>]

02:13:02   design proficiency on iOS that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7982">TS</a>]

02:13:05   don't have when making mac OS apps so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7985">TS</a>]

02:13:07   it's that's been a very very slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7987">TS</a>]

02:13:09   learning process and it's also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7989">TS</a>]

02:13:10   harder on the Mac because the api's are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7990">TS</a>]

02:13:13   have a lot more legacy because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7993">TS</a>]

02:13:15   much older so the api's are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7995">TS</a>]

02:13:17   clunkier they have not gotten nearly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7997">TS</a>]

02:13:20   much attention in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8000">TS</a>]

02:13:21   Cady's iOS has so they are in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8001">TS</a>]

02:13:25   a lot harder to use or have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8005">TS</a>]

02:13:27   antiquated or clunky things you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8007">TS</a>]

02:13:29   do to use them and the biggest problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8009">TS</a>]

02:13:32   with all of it is that because iOS is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8012">TS</a>]

02:13:36   incredibly popular and Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8016">TS</a>]

02:13:38   development relatively isn't it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8018">TS</a>]

02:13:40   hard to find answers if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8020">TS</a>]

02:13:42   questions for Mac OS development there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8022">TS</a>]

02:13:44   not like with iOS you can search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8024">TS</a>]

02:13:46   anything in under the Sun and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8026">TS</a>]

02:13:48   gonna get a thousand Google results half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8028">TS</a>]

02:13:51   of them are gonna be really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8031">TS</a>]

02:13:52   tutorials like exactly what you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8032">TS</a>]

02:13:55   do or great Stack Overflow answers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8035">TS</a>]

02:13:57   exact exactly the problem you're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8037">TS</a>]

02:13:59   and a Mac OS that's not the case most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8039">TS</a>]

02:14:02   the time most time what you're searching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8042">TS</a>]

02:14:03   for you will get either nothing helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8043">TS</a>]

02:14:06   or like one ancient mailing list post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8046">TS</a>]

02:14:10   that you have to like scan through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8050">TS</a>]

02:14:11   web version of a man list to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8051">TS</a>]

02:14:13   somebody who might maybe be talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8053">TS</a>]

02:14:15   about what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8055">TS</a>]

02:14:16   it's it's a very different world I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8056">TS</a>]

02:14:18   just trying to think of an excuse to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8058">TS</a>]

02:14:20   this application maybe I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8060">TS</a>]

02:14:21   participate cast it's right you're on so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8061">TS</a>]

02:14:25   many podcasts you drop artwork here okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8065">TS</a>]

02:14:30   why are you yelling at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8070">TS</a>]

02:14:32   it looks better I know this isn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8072">TS</a>]

02:14:34   me designing Mac OS apps it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8074">TS</a>]

02:14:37   the way everyone designs Windows apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8077">TS</a>]

02:14:39   it's like I don't know what the hell is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8079">TS</a>]

02:14:40   good here like just throw something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8080">TS</a>]

02:14:42   there that looks good using the guide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8082">TS</a>]

02:14:45   snap things in interface builder or did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8085">TS</a>]

02:14:46   you not use interface builder for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8086">TS</a>]

02:14:48   at all no I use it I use the guide snap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8088">TS</a>]

02:14:50   things no I mean like I built most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8090">TS</a>]

02:14:52   the interface with cocoa bindings just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8092">TS</a>]

02:14:53   so I wouldn't have to learn a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8093">TS</a>]

02:14:56   intricacies of tableviews and then all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8096">TS</a>]

02:14:58   the experience Mac developer scolded you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8098">TS</a>]

02:14:59   for it yeah and then every was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8099">TS</a>]

02:15:00   yeah I don't use cocoa but yeah thanks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8100">TS</a>]

02:15:02   lot it is really nice to do certain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8102">TS</a>]

02:15:05   and you know cocoa bindings are great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8105">TS</a>]

02:15:07   for like really simple stuff like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8107">TS</a>]

02:15:08   enable disabled states of certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8108">TS</a>]

02:15:11   buttons tracking certain you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8111">TS</a>]

02:15:13   properties or things being nil or things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8113">TS</a>]

02:15:15   like that it's there's a lot of value to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8115">TS</a>]

02:15:18   cocoa bindings but like for me to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8118">TS</a>]

02:15:21   the main problem the app has which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8121">TS</a>]

02:15:22   the manual entry of chapters is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8122">TS</a>]

02:15:24   clunky and weird that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8124">TS</a>]

02:15:28   basically require dumping bindings for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8128">TS</a>]

02:15:30   the tableview and that's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8130">TS</a>]

02:15:31   you know I'm not gonna say it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8131">TS</a>]

02:15:34   a huge pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8134">TS</a>]

02:15:35   but it's gonna be a decent mount of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8135">TS</a>]

02:15:36   at least especially because I'm totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8136">TS</a>]

02:15:39   unfamiliar with it if it was I us I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8139">TS</a>]

02:15:41   could do it in half a day but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8141">TS</a>]

02:15:43   it's Mac OS it's gonna take me a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8143">TS</a>]

02:15:44   longer than that and the good thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8144">TS</a>]

02:15:46   that the app has gotten such a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8146">TS</a>]

02:15:48   reception that I'm actually motivated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8148">TS</a>]

02:15:50   do things like this to fix weird bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8150">TS</a>]

02:15:52   that that don't affect me personally but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8152">TS</a>]

02:15:54   I do have to also keep that in check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8154">TS</a>]

02:15:56   with like this is not my primary job I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8156">TS</a>]

02:15:59   primary job as overcast and I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8159">TS</a>]

02:16:00   make sure that overcast is not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8160">TS</a>]

02:16:02   suffer for me working too much on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8162">TS</a>]

02:16:05   forecast the good thing is I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8165">TS</a>]

02:16:07   it's that I don't that's very likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8167">TS</a>]

02:16:08   because like I've been working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8168">TS</a>]

02:16:10   forecast for two years and the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8170">TS</a>]

02:16:12   usually work on it is I fix some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8172">TS</a>]

02:16:15   I've wanted to fix for a while like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8175">TS</a>]

02:16:18   ferla over like a week and then I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8178">TS</a>]

02:16:20   touch it for six months and then I spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8180">TS</a>]

02:16:23   another week tweaking it up and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8183">TS</a>]

02:16:25   gotta go to the six months not touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8185">TS</a>]

02:16:26   it because it pretty much works like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8186">TS</a>]

02:16:28   doesn't need a lot of attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8188">TS</a>]

02:16:30   so hopefully this this won't be a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8190">TS</a>]

02:16:33   time second I don't think it will how is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8193">TS</a>]

02:16:36   forecasts choosing where to put its a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8196">TS</a>]

02:16:37   window when a command man I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8197">TS</a>]

02:16:41   like I mean so there's that weird like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8201">TS</a>]

02:16:44   thing interface builder that little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8204">TS</a>]

02:16:46   window graphic thing where you say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8206">TS</a>]

02:16:48   all right kind of position it kind of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8208">TS</a>]

02:16:49   the middle of the window and the left is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8209">TS</a>]

02:16:51   like there's there's something interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8211">TS</a>]

02:16:52   builder that lets you specify that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8212">TS</a>]

02:16:57   this was a conscious choice area it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8217">TS</a>]

02:16:59   remember it does remember the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8219">TS</a>]

02:17:01   position between quits at which I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8221">TS</a>]

02:17:02   assuming you're picking up for free as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8222">TS</a>]

02:17:03   part of like the savory store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8223">TS</a>]

02:17:05   I think same thing but if you close all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8225">TS</a>]

02:17:07   the windows and hit command in a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8227">TS</a>]

02:17:09   window appears in a location that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8229">TS</a>]

02:17:11   it's not random it's always the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8231">TS</a>]

02:17:13   place but it's like off-center to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8233">TS</a>]

02:17:15   left Cup the middle vertically yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8235">TS</a>]

02:17:17   saw that in the thing and interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8237">TS</a>]

02:17:19   builder that accident I wasn't aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8239">TS</a>]

02:17:21   that was a global I figured it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8241">TS</a>]

02:17:22   just use the last one and that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8242">TS</a>]

02:17:24   like the very first time it ever made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8244">TS</a>]

02:17:26   window it would create it there no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8246">TS</a>]

02:17:28   see that this is the problem like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8248">TS</a>]

02:17:30   don't know how to do this unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8250">TS</a>]

02:17:32   look at that's fine and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8252">TS</a>]

02:17:35   that surprised me is that you use a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8255">TS</a>]

02:17:36   every day but like you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8256">TS</a>]

02:17:38   laid out like the Preferences dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8258">TS</a>]

02:17:39   that's laid out like no preference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8259">TS</a>]

02:17:41   dialog in any mac app and you use all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8261">TS</a>]

02:17:43   the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8263">TS</a>]

02:17:44   like you see preference dialogues but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8264">TS</a>]

02:17:46   there's like three preferences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8266">TS</a>]

02:17:48   I know I know and yet surprisingly laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8268">TS</a>]

02:17:51   out in kind of a weird Marco kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8271">TS</a>]

02:17:53   and the thing is that this is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8273">TS</a>]

02:17:58   I never sighs just because you use a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8278">TS</a>]

02:18:00   application all the time doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8280">TS</a>]

02:18:01   you you consciously know like if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8281">TS</a>]

02:18:03   making a dialog from scratch and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8283">TS</a>]

02:18:05   like two text boxes to two radio buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8285">TS</a>]

02:18:07   and a button how do I put them so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8287">TS</a>]

02:18:09   looks like correct right and I had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8289">TS</a>]

02:18:12   like this stuff took me so long to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8292">TS</a>]

02:18:15   to figure out because I am NOT a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8295">TS</a>]

02:18:18   developer and like it was very very slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8298">TS</a>]

02:18:22   going like again like it's like I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8302">TS</a>]

02:18:24   novice because I for the Mac I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8304">TS</a>]

02:18:26   novice and even using a Mac yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8306">TS</a>]

02:18:30   saying you don't think about it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8310">TS</a>]

02:18:31   you're not actually dragging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8311">TS</a>]

02:18:32   controls out because when you see like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8312">TS</a>]

02:18:34   Mac dialog box like it looks more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8314">TS</a>]

02:18:35   less right but then you see one doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8315">TS</a>]

02:18:37   quite look right there's something off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8317">TS</a>]

02:18:38   about it but you can't quite place it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8318">TS</a>]

02:18:39   it's like you know what would fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8319">TS</a>]

02:18:41   is just is just because the button on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8321">TS</a>]

02:18:43   the bottom is centered is it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8323">TS</a>]

02:18:44   what is the problem with that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8324">TS</a>]

02:18:46   know anyway it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8326">TS</a>]

02:18:48   I appreciate your on account your icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8328">TS</a>]

02:18:51   does look like a Sports logo though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8331">TS</a>]

02:18:52   don't know I keep thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8332">TS</a>]

02:18:52   don't know I keep thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/8332">TS</a>]

00:00:00   just as a warning hey I need one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/0">TS</a>]

00:00:02   stand hour before I go to bed which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2">TS</a>]

00:00:04   means we need to end before midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   you can stand while we podcast a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09   standing podcast desk have you gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/9">TS</a>]

00:00:11   the 9 o'clock hour yet uh no stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/11">TS</a>]

00:00:15   just run or stand up I just want that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/15">TS</a>]

00:00:16   true that's fair point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   Oh God how like what like one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20   minutes of activity of standing one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   minute but I gotta like wiggle around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/22">TS</a>]

00:00:24   and make the watch think that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/24">TS</a>]

00:00:26   standing you should run in place you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   get if you're under your calorie count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   for the day you run that's true I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31   know how am i doing how am i doing let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   look are you finishing all three rings I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/33">TS</a>]

00:00:34   wanted some kind of streak or you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   doing Stan Lee are you still a blue ring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   stud stand is the only thing I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   care about I did have a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   streak going for a long time but I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   ever so lightly sick so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47   skipping my morning runs and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49   basically I'm just a sloth as I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/49">TS</a>]

00:00:52   realizing my true form as a sloth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   blue-ringed sloth the blue ring slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   that's exactly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/56">TS</a>]

00:00:58   how'd you get the exercise man it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   not get the orange ring because I'm out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   of shape even despite all the running so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   kidding exercise minutes is easier than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/67">TS</a>]

00:01:07   wait wait wait ok we're good ok we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   start you got it you get like a badger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   and everything everything is all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   now are you in the right time zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14   who knows I in the right country is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/74">TS</a>]

00:01:18   what people to in tune in for well in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/78">TS</a>]

00:01:22   your preferred date format why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   put the year first so then it like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/84">TS</a>]

00:01:27   sorts properly this is a good question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   which probably won't make the show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31   if I were editing would make the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/91">TS</a>]

00:01:33   and this is why I don't edit by hey the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/93">TS</a>]

00:01:37   reason you don't do I so what is it ATIS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   8601 is because if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/99">TS</a>]

00:01:42   something where in your handling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/102">TS</a>]

00:01:46   just in unbelievable amount of files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   like let's say for the sake of argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   thing you were you had all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   pictures that you've ever taken in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/112">TS</a>]

00:01:56   folder because you're weird so every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/116">TS</a>]

00:01:59   single photograph you've ever taken is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/119">TS</a>]

00:02:00   all in one folder on your one directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   if you will well they never called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   directories on the Mac John way back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/124">TS</a>]

00:02:05   when or is that just a DOS thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   were not ok so it's a toss thing anyways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   what did you do calls in directories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11   right oh that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   yes Oh fair enough anyway I digress so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/133">TS</a>]

00:02:17   if you had out any photo you've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   taken in one in one folder slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20   directory then absolutely 8601 that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   boy but in my day to day use of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   computer easily ninety percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/146">TS</a>]

00:02:29   time that I'm looking at any date I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   by context that it is the current year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34   so why would I put your first that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   gets annoying and redundant there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   certain circumstances where years should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/159">TS</a>]

00:02:41   go first but generally speaking the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/161">TS</a>]

00:02:44   true way to store a date is day day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/164">TS</a>]

00:02:47   month month year year because a day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/167">TS</a>]

00:02:51   smaller than a month and a month is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   smaller than a year 8601 is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56   and anyone who says otherwise is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   preposterous it is day month year so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/178">TS</a>]

00:03:02   unless you are doing machines in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   case yes 86 so the the what I'm arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/184">TS</a>]

00:03:08   for which I guess no one I forget is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   year-month-day correct that's it so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   the reason why this is better is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/193">TS</a>]

00:03:17   is completely unambiguous because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20   no no where ever uses year day month so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/200">TS</a>]

00:03:24   if you see a four-digit year up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   you know that the next number is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   to be the month and then I'm sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/209">TS</a>]

00:03:30   is going to be the day in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   the benefits of it being like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/212">TS</a>]

00:03:35   alphabetically sorted properly in lists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   that you know that's a side benefit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   the the number one argument forward is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   that it's unambiguous that you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   that format anywhere in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/223">TS</a>]

00:03:46   people will know how to read it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   chance of error is very very low so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   alone should win it but also you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   you're a programmer the lexicographical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   sorting argument should work on you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   you know yes you know right now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   the current year guess what it won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   in a month like next month will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   different current year and if you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/242">TS</a>]

00:04:05   format that sorts correctly no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   what year you are in or what year the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/247">TS</a>]

00:04:08   stuff you're looking at is from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   seems like it would be a win so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   correct way to write a date in a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   name or in an unambiguous context is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   year-month-day see I I can't I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/257">TS</a>]

00:04:21   disagree with you because you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22   you're not you're not wrong but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/262">TS</a>]

00:04:26   also not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27   because I just don't like it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   like it I'm the same person who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   put a zero in my in my URL slugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   so I mean Who am I to talk but to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   eyes I mean well I think we can all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   agree that Americans get it wrong that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/277">TS</a>]

00:04:38   month/day/year is just preposterous it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   is truly an utterly stupid you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   make us all agree on cheese here with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/284">TS</a>]

00:04:45   this cuz I don't agree on G's only you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   are agreeing on cheese what does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   even mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/290">TS</a>]

00:04:51   American cheese is delicious yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   month/day/year is not preposterous for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   filename sure it's preposterous but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   like display purposes which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   we're talking about last time you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/299">TS</a>]

00:05:00   oh I said myself to Australia so so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   watch can display dates to me in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   way I don't want this displayed to me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   year month day I want them in the dus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/306">TS</a>]

00:05:09   system in the US system makes sense for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   display dates because no doesn't it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/313">TS</a>]

00:05:13   month day is all you need to know almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   all the time and for disambiguation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   hanging out on the right hand side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   because we read from right to left if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   you need to look over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/320">TS</a>]

00:05:21   yeah there's year we read from right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   left all right you know what I mean left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   right no you always go day month year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/324">TS</a>]

00:05:28   you always go dimo no not in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   country and you shouldn't do it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/330">TS</a>]

00:05:31   because not in this country but we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   wrong we use Imperial month day month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   day makes sense month date makes us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   pretty split purposes not you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   put that in your file name because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   would be for the reasons mark are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/341">TS</a>]

00:05:42   already outlined no this is preposterous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   John the reason you say month day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/344">TS</a>]

00:05:45   right it's just because it's what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/345">TS</a>]

00:05:46   used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47   no I'm saying there's an argument for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/347">TS</a>]

00:05:50   it's not just like random or wrong like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/350">TS</a>]

00:05:51   there every each one of these formats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   has its strengths and weaknesses and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/353">TS</a>]

00:05:54   saying that we can all agree that Monday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   is preposterous is saying that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/357">TS</a>]

00:05:58   no advantages to it there are there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   there is a sense there is a mnemonic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01   there is a sensible system for why that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/361">TS</a>]

00:06:04   date works not just because we're used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   to it which is obviously a big factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/366">TS</a>]

00:06:07   but also there are things to recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   it which is I have what I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/369">TS</a>]

00:06:10   explaining so it's not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   completely it's not a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   write-off it's only clearly right often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   in file names because that would be them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   I can get behind I can get behind month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   day when year is not a part of it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   March 17 okay fine but that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/384">TS</a>]

00:06:27   like you have that disambiguation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   it's month day and then in cases where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   you feel like you need some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/391">TS</a>]

00:06:31   disambiguation like during the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   changeover or if you're doing distant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   future just in past dates you can throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   in the air see but then if it's months a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   year how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   are you a programmer how are you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   basically a robot say for human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   consumption for display purposes not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   naming your files not it's still day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   month here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49   no you're saying month day year only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/409">TS</a>]

00:06:50   because it's what you're used to by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   doing what you're doing it's like I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   I'm gonna do all my temperatures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/413">TS</a>]

00:06:54   Celsius I can have all my conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   in the United States and Celsius right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   no Celsius is barbarian no but what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/418">TS</a>]

00:07:01   saying is like in this country it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/421">TS</a>]

00:07:02   way we do it there's massive advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   to doing a month day in this country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   because everyone else other that way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   if you do it the reverse you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/427">TS</a>]

00:07:08   confuse other people and potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10   also confuse yourself depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   whether you remember if you wrote it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/432">TS</a>]

00:07:13   not no I will I will concede that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16   unusual in this country however don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   you put that barbaric Celsius Celsius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/438">TS</a>]

00:07:21   nonsense on me don't you even start sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/441">TS</a>]

00:07:24   Seifer sorry for the barbarism of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/444">TS</a>]

00:07:27   Celsius for human temperatures like were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   you to use it you'd be swimming against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   the tide in this country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   sure and you'd have that same confusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   you should just use kelvins you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36   have that a degree symbol there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/456">TS</a>]

00:07:37   problem solved all I'm saying is all I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40   saying is I can see an argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/460">TS</a>]

00:07:44   month to a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/464">TS</a>]

00:07:44   you're wrong but I can see it but let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   make it plain that using Celsius for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50   human felt temperatures for ambient air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/470">TS</a>]

00:07:53   temperatures and only ambient air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/473">TS</a>]

00:07:55   temperatures is utterly ridiculous and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   all of you heathens in Europe who say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   otherwise are unequivocally wrong look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   at the scale zero you're it's it's cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06   ish a hundred you're dead yeah there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   that famous gif [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/489">TS</a>]

00:08:10   right it's not even if it's just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   image and Fahrenheit can be encoded as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   it gets zero zero is really really cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/494">TS</a>]

00:08:18   100 is really really hot that's all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21   need to know for ambient air 10 such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   millennial is not animated like triple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/503">TS</a>]

00:08:32   taken I like breaking my brain sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/512">TS</a>]

00:08:37   John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/517">TS</a>]

00:08:38   I'm sorry we're kids anyway suffice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   say we can be I can I can allow an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/521">TS</a>]

00:08:44   argument that 80 I can allow the 8601 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   argument I think you're wrong I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   allow the month/day/year argument I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/528">TS</a>]

00:08:49   think you're wrong but we should all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   agree the official ATP stance on Celsius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/534">TS</a>]

00:08:54   it is utterly preposterous and wrong for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/534">TS</a>]

00:08:57   ambient air temperature you want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/537">TS</a>]

00:08:58   science e things well you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59   using Kelvin but fine use Celsius but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   for ambient air temperature it is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/542">TS</a>]

00:09:05   in Europe should be ashamed let's move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   on and let's start with some follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   the route blog post in the dev forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   that was the dev forums not the support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/552">TS</a>]

00:09:16   forums and one or all of us got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   backwards last week that was my bed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   think we all start off saying the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   thing but I very quickly shifted into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   talking about the support forums so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   developer forums you have to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   registered Apple developer to even see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   them like they're actually authentic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31   kids they're not open to the public they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32   are still pretty noisy and it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/572">TS</a>]

00:09:35   true that they are not a hey Apple come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   help me with my problem thing like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/577">TS</a>]

00:09:39   other developers talking to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/579">TS</a>]

00:09:40   developers and you have you know DTS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   support incidents or whatever for actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45   you know you pay money and then Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   can help you with stuff so some of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   we said is true but it's important not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   to confuse the two types of forums the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   completely wide open public support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   forums or high volume and very noisy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   people talk about all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00   dev warms are less so alright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   related apparently Gregory Beatty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   emailed product security at Apple calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   about this bug on November 12th do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   want to tell us about this yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/609">TS</a>]

00:10:12   lot of people asking about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/612">TS</a>]

00:10:13   should Apple be poring over their forums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/613">TS</a>]

00:10:16   or having some one or more employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/616">TS</a>]

00:10:19   look at all that both the dev forms out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   of the support forum so they can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/621">TS</a>]

00:10:22   these bugs ahead of times and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/622">TS</a>]

00:10:23   people saying uh posting us on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   isn't the way you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/625">TS</a>]

00:10:26   disclose this blah blah blah what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   supposed to do is email product security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   the Apple comm and turns out somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   did actually do exactly the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   which is the email product security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/634">TS</a>]

00:10:35   Apple to come about this exact bug on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   November 12th which was a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   and I don't know if they just have a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   backlog or didn't get to it or knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   about it but we're hoping they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   just sweep it under the rug until their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/646">TS</a>]

00:10:49   fix came out in a later update I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   know what the story is but I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   was interesting that for all the yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   about the right and wrong way to report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   bugs in the right and wrong way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   Apple to know about them this particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   bug long before it was widely publicized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/661">TS</a>]

00:11:04   and long before I was fixed was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   submitted to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   in the correct way excellent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/667">TS</a>]

00:11:11   quote-unquote correct way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/671">TS</a>]

00:11:12   there's some argument that like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   have to you know like responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/674">TS</a>]

00:11:17   disclosure or whatever where you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/677">TS</a>]

00:11:18   the the source of the bug about it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   secretly to give them a chance to fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   and only if they don't fix it after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/683">TS</a>]

00:11:24   long long time do you go into public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   versus quote-unquote irresponsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   disclosure where you just tell it to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/688">TS</a>]

00:11:29   public before you know at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   the vendor finds out the public does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/691">TS</a>]

00:11:34   there is some debate about what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   is the the best way to do that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   obviously if you hear they she's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   well of course responsible disclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/700">TS</a>]

00:11:41   where you tell the vendor first that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   the way to do it because it protects the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/703">TS</a>]

00:11:44   most people you don't want the bad guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   that'll blah blah blah but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   problem with that approach in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/707">TS</a>]

00:11:48   has been the defenders are like oh thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   you for telling us we'll fix it when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   get to it and then you're sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   waiting go like how long do I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   wait before you know like maybe the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   guys already know about this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/718">TS</a>]

00:11:59   because I didn't tell the bad guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   doesn't mean they don't just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/721">TS</a>]

00:12:02   discovered it maybe they discovered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   now too and so you're waiting come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   come on fix the bug fix the bug then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   have to know how long do I wait before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   it's okay for me to say in public like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   what this thing is you know and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   was an article about it a couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   ago which was about the much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   bureaucratic process of submitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/736">TS</a>]

00:12:17   things rather than the informal just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   email Apple policy but I'm not and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/739">TS</a>]

00:12:23   not entirely sure that the in in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/743">TS</a>]

00:12:26   world where information is you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/746">TS</a>]

00:12:29   widely shared and it's so difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   know what other people know like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   long have you know blackhat hackers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   known about this bug we don't know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   they're not going to tell us and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/759">TS</a>]

00:12:43   don't want the one thing we have learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/763">TS</a>]

00:12:44   from these type of incidents is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   widespread publication of a bug gets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   fixed really fast and submitting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   through the proper channels does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   always get it fixed really fast so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   not quite sure what the right thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   do here is it's not not clear-cut all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/776">TS</a>]

00:12:59   right do you want to tell us about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/779">TS</a>]

00:13:00   Shawn writes about X protect s protect I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/780">TS</a>]

00:13:03   think is the either the internal or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   external both names of the malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/785">TS</a>]

00:13:08   system that Apple has on Mac OS where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   they have signatures of malware and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   periodically update that behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   scenes without you knowing about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15   I think I mentioned in the show like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   don't even know that it's happening like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   they're updating that malware whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   the heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/801">TS</a>]

00:13:21   feel like it and you have no choice in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   the matter oh I think you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   disable it or whatever but on a default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/805">TS</a>]

00:13:26   system you are getting these updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   whether you like it or not unless you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/808">TS</a>]

00:13:29   into the system preferences turn off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   little checkbox that says you get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   updates but if you're wondering when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   they happen people are actually keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   track of it and you can look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/817">TS</a>]

00:13:38   website we'll put a link in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   notes it tells you when the updates are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   and what things they protect against and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/823">TS</a>]

00:13:46   there's even a little shell script it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   will tell you the last time it updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/829">TS</a>]

00:13:50   on your computer that you can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   excellent all right so Ian Williamson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/832">TS</a>]

00:13:56   writes in and says that someone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   previously had to join all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   company Macs to Active Directory in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   order to enforce corporate security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   policies I wanted to confirm that yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   causes a multitude of issues resulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   in these spinnings beat beach ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/847">TS</a>]

00:14:08   recently though we're starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   disconnect them all and replace that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   with an apple tool called Enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   Connect which communicates with AD in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/853">TS</a>]

00:14:14   much looser fashion so in case you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/854">TS</a>]

00:14:17   not aware because your name is Marco or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   you don't really have a real job Active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/859">TS</a>]

00:14:22   Directory is the I'm sure there's a term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   for is it LDAP I don't even know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   it's it's the system by which many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   many many corporate environments manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   users and it's a Microsoft system and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/871">TS</a>]

00:14:35   does not typically play terribly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   with Mac's which i think is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   Omak written like Microsoft's shoulders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   but is largely on Apple's shoulders and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/881">TS</a>]

00:14:45   so I know that my IT guy at my work has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/885">TS</a>]

00:14:50   been complaining and moaning about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   Apple's implementation of Active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   Directory particularly recently because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   I think they might have redone it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/895">TS</a>]

00:14:56   something it has caused him no endless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/896">TS</a>]

00:14:59   amount of woes and he is actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   inquiring about this enterprise connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   thing that apparently is only given to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   the coolest of of clients of apples so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   don't know if you guys have anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   add on that I'm sure Marco you do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   let's start with you I really don't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   is an entire world that I know nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/914">TS</a>]

00:15:17   about and I'm very happy to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/917">TS</a>]

00:15:20   knowing nothing about I wish I could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   that too but alas I cannot response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   me guessing why my computer was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   slow to wake and I got beach balls all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/927">TS</a>]

00:15:30   the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/930">TS</a>]

00:15:31   I was attributing to Active Directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/931">TS</a>]

00:15:32   mostly because I had previously had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   Mac that was not on the Active Directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   network and it was just so it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   normal Mac like a normal it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/938">TS</a>]

00:15:39   desktop too so that also helps waking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/939">TS</a>]

00:15:43   from sleep and it was immediately ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/943">TS</a>]

00:15:44   to go and anyway I was blaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   activators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/946">TS</a>]

00:15:47   I think it was Marco suggested turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   off power nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/950">TS</a>]

00:15:51   and and hibernate and I did that it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   not really make any change as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/953">TS</a>]

00:15:57   can tell so I think my computer was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   hibernating and power nap was not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   issue I still you know I left the lid I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/961">TS</a>]

00:16:05   close the lid walk to my next meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   sit down open the lid and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09   fairly long period of time sometimes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   long period time before I can even log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/971">TS</a>]

00:16:12   in either with touch ID or otherwise I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   usually give up on touch ID after I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   my finger there for a while and nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   has happened and then I type my password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/978">TS</a>]

00:16:19   nothing also happens like I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   see the little dots appear on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/981">TS</a>]

00:16:22   but very often it has registered my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/982">TS</a>]

00:16:25   typed password and if I just wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   including the return key that I hit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   if I just wait and wait and eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   it will unlock and then I'll try to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/991">TS</a>]

00:16:32   something that I'll get a beach ball so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   I blame salon active directory and Ian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   was writing him to talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   enterprise connect thing which is turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   to make a looser coupling between active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/999">TS</a>]

00:16:40   active directory here's the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   don't I don't know almost anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   Active Directory other than the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   that I am subjected to it I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:50   if my company my company might already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:53   be using Enterprise Connect I might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54   using the good version like for all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56   know it is worse for people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   using Enterprise Connect so I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1018">TS</a>]

00:16:59   have honestly no way of knowing whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   I'm currently using Enterprise Connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03   or not if I'm not I would love for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:04   company to use it but somehow I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07   think that's in the cards because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10   general like this time and the grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   scheme of things complaining that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   computer takes a while before you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:15   use it when you open the lid and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   know it's not that long it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   know maybe 20 seconds that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   complaint that is probably falling on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   deaf ears in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:23   enterprise IT I just kind of wish I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   didn't have to deal with it we respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:29   to this week by fracture beautiful photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   prints directly on glass visit fractured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:34   on me and save 15% off your first order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:36   with code ATP 17 fracture prints look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:40   amazing you know you should get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   photos printed sometimes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   if you just post them online like most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   of us do after 12 hours they're off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   everyone's timelines you'll never see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:49   them again but if you get them printed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   you have an actual artifact that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   hang up in your house or prop up on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   desk or even better give it as a gift to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:57   someone who will really enjoy it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   this could be something traditional like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:00   giving grandparents pictures of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   grandchildren and their grandpa peas or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   it can be something fun that you do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   your friends like maybe you send each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   other pictures that you that are inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   jokes to you that you find funny or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   pictures and fun times you had together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   family friends co-workers whoever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   they make wonderful gifts and fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   knows this so do a lot of other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   so if you want to get it done in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   for the holidays please place your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:23   orders now because here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   every fracture they care a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   quality so every fracture is handmade by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   human beings in Gainesville Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   right here right in the US they are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   green company operating a carbon-neutral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   factory they do things very very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   but what this means having all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   human you know hand involvement here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   that the holidays they get backed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   sometimes and so it's pretty close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   the holidays now they are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47   starting to get a large volume of orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   in if you want a gift in time for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   holidays from fracture with which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   strongly recommend because these prints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:54   look great they go edge to edge they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   printed right on glass you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:58   frame them they fit well with any decor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1138">TS</a>]

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00:19:33   fracture for sponsoring our show last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:38   week I got just a little bit fired up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   with regard to the keyboard behavior on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   iOS I have two pieces of follow-up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:48   this number one I had assumed it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   me and that I'm just inept and I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:54   tremendous amount of people write in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   say no no it's not just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   it's become hot garbage now nobody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   agree on when this happened a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   people said the same thing I did which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:05   was right around iOS or I'm sorry it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:08   iPhone 6 ish whatever iOS was around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:11   that time some people have said no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14   it's actually with iOS 11 which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:15   disagree with but a lot of people said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:18   no no you are not alone I cannot type my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:22   type of my phone anymore that being said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25   I have been mildly browbeat by my curly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28   to try G board which is Google's third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   party keyboard which is pretty good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:34   I haven't trying that and when I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   typing rather than swiping I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:40   it's not any better which makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   this is a KC problem not an iOS problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:45   and apparently it's also a tons and tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   of listeners problem all at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   time because if I can't type on on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:53   Google keyboard and I can't type on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56   Apple keyboard then that makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:59   I'm the problem or perhaps it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:02   Apple was uniquely good at figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05   what I meant and auto correcting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:08   or perhaps the the touch targets were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:11   uniquely good at being the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:14   expected them to be and now they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   like somebody had suggested I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   remember who it was that maybe their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   touch targets got way bigger when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24   they're predicting what you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25   type so like let's say I'm typing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   word there th e re then as so I type th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:31   e and the touch target for the letter R [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:34   because you know Apple thinks oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   Betty's gonna type in R the touch target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   for R is just mammoth and if I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   to type they then maybe I'll get the th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:44   er instead does that make any sense it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   a very it's very hard to paint this word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   picture but what I'm driving at is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   predictive touch target enlargement is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   is a possible explanation though that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:56   completely supposition and I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   facts to indicate that's that's true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   in any case one way or another I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   trying G board and it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   working for me so far so it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   think it's a KC problem but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:08   if you guys have any feedback on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:09   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:10   that means it's the case problems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11   you said that G board is a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:12   different keyboard right so that you we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:15   have no idea what if how you how you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   typing on keyboard but you like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   have the feeling and many many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   people who wrote and also have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:23   feeling that they were previously better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   typing on the Apple keyboard and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:27   weird thing about the feedback like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:28   put it in here is like basically that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   you're not alone but incredible variance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:33   in the people people some people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:34   it started two years ago it started with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   iOS 10 yeah it started when I changed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   a bigger phone and start when I change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:40   to a smaller phone and I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   you just tap into some sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:45   deterioration of mass deterioration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   typing skills because it doesn't seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50   be any common thread like not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   like everyone agreed that iOS 11 hos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   that there was not that agreement but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:56   lots of people really feel like they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:57   now worse at typing than the use maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   they're just all getting older and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   like one of the first places that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:01   they're noticing that they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   older what the only thing I saw that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   think could be attributable to software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:10   is people complaining about autocorrect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:13   going behind them and changing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   last three or something nonsensical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:18   I've noticed that as well and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:19   that is a new software edition where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:22   previously didn't used to like once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:23   moved on from something that be like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   that's fine but now it has like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:26   kind of thing where reconsiders the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   five words you've written and says oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   see you were probably trying to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   this write this sequence of nonsense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:33   five words and it goes back and corrects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:35   them and that people find infuriating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   and if you're getting so do I yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   completely agreed I'm glad you brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:41   that up because I'd forgotten about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:42   and yes I've seen that behavior and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   is driving me bananas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   Marco any thoughts about this point move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   on I mean iOS changes autocorrect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   behavior in lots of versions like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:54   know I'm sure iOS 10 changed in one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   I always loved and changed at different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:57   ways now does like the machine learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   to predict difference or privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:00   Corrections that are resulting in really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:03   embarrassing bugs like that you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:04   turning into the a box thing and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   IT from it thing they're gonna work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:11   out you know I hope they do but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   there's definitely changes here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   there's been changed before and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16   worked it out the only other thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   could think of it might be a factor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:19   you is that you're also on an iPhone 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   now because a different physical size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   than what you were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23   for the last few years and so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   also probably contributing to just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   different and your body has to get used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   to it it could be but I mean this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   been happening since before the switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   that's what I mentioned last week that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   are you sure it's not the size in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:37   he said well it could be but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   other factors as well and everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   was said who complained about it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   very adamant that no it's not the size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:44   except for the few people who said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   was the size but yeah it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   difficult in this type of thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   even if it's not machine learning like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   yeah the machine learning is the type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:55   thing where it's not like a human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:56   program the exact set of rules for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   behave it's supposed to learn on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   and improve so it's very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:01   know exactly how its behaving because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:02   it's very much data-driven but even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:05   the rules based ones if the rules are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:06   complicated enough and changed often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   enough it still doesn't really help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   nail down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:10   is this a better system than the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   that preceded it did it did our tweak to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   this set of static rules help or hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   it's kind of I mean I'm not sure how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   you'd even measure that it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   satisfaction what typing satisfaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   measurement you just use face ID to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   at the person's face and see if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:27   making a face like they just smelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:30   something gross as they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   type Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:34   speaking of smelling something gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:35   tell me about your touch bar you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:40   smell the Dutch bar but do touch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   globe don't smell the globe smell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   glove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:44   sniff the glove come on chat room help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   me I'm old and my brain doesn't work I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   have no idea what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:49   yeah I noticed I didn't even bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   asking you to yeah well that was wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   you know as well smell the glove okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   thank you I feel a little bit better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1555">TS</a>]

00:26:00   final tap yeah still not your scene that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:04   I should turn it up to 11 what I do yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   there you go you know something's wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:08   so I just wanted to mark this this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:12   in time where I got my 20 17 touch bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   micro whenever it was a couple months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   ago and I've been using it and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   despite the fact that's mostly in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:20   clamshell on my desk want to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   meetings and travel around the office I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:23   do use it as an actual laptop and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:26   really feel like I've given the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   bar you know a fair shake despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:31   continuing day the escape button or lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34   thereof but I finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   did something that I've wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   since they want but I've been resisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40   which has changed that preference in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:43   keyboard settings that tells it to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:47   the default setting is allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   applications to change the touch bar so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:50   that when you're in Safari you see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   safaris thumbnails and when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   mail you see like the mail buttons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:54   all that stuff right there's actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   setting in System Preferences and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   keyboard system preference it says don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   do that just show me the like the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:05   controls all the time so the function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   keys and media control and the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:10   things basically making it like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:11   static graphical version of the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:14   keys that are on the MacBook Escape and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   I read isn't doing that because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   look if you're going to give the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:19   bar a fair shake use it how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   supposed to be used use it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   default settings allow the applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   to do all their stuff with it this who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:25   knows maybe there's some application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:26   that you use that you'll find the touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27   bar really useful and that was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   case and so and I was finding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:33   distracting as the touch bar like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:34   changed from thing to thing as that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   command tabbed around and so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   changed it to be static now so now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   effectively using little pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   keys that never change and I still wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:46   they were regular keys so I put me down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47   in the category of I can't say I'm an T [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:51   touch bar because I just don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:52   laptops and so if I had to buy a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   it having a touch bar or not probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   the least of my concerns but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:00   find a place for the touch bar in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:03   life I just don't find myself looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   that part of the machine when I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   it at all and maybe it's just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   have all habits or whatever but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:11   didn't work out for me you were you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:15   talking with some people in one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   slacks that were in together and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:20   were talking about uh it wasn't window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:23   shade but I can't think of what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:24   so let's just call it window shade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   you were talking about you know how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   still have window shade enabled again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   wasn't literally window shade but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:32   have window shade enabled even to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   day because you can't live without it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   this example people gonna think I've run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   window shade let's be clear I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   well yeah I know but I can't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   what the hell you talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   classic Mac window layering that's gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   be it right maybe I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   doesn't really matter the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   driving it I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   like window layering if I remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   conversation Greg there's people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:52   know what that is but anyway I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   sure that's what it was so do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:54   to briefly describe what that is then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   that's just when you when you click a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   window and classic Mac OS any window on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   the screen if the window belongs to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   different application than the frontmost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   one like an app when it belongs to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   application that's not currently the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:07   active one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08   it doesn't just bring that window to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   front it brings that window and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   other windows owned by that application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:13   to the front and that's how I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:17   use the Mac for 16 years before Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   10 came along that way and that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:21   like to use it and so I've during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:25   entire life of Mac OS 10 and on Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:28   there have been various utilities that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:29   would change the window server behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:31   to act that way but in the Mac OS 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:36   timeline not only do you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   feature but you also most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   utilities I've use have allowed you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43   get back the other behavior because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:44   maybe you show it behaviors I'm like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   what if I just want wind one window to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:47   come to the front that behavior is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   not what I want at all all right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   just a matter of what you prefer because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:52   with the tools that I use you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:56   changing what the default is so for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:57   shift click brings a single window to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   the front and just regular click blings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:00   all the windows have long to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   application to the front and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   may like you to reverse where a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   click just brings that one window and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   then some modifier click brings all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   windows or maybe you never want all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:10   windows to come but how I work based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   my habits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:13   I want the default to be all windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   come to the front so I still do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   didn't even know like yes she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   shift-click doesn't do it by default it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   doesn't seem but anyway no no is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:22   utility I think I'm using drag thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   do it right now but it's very I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   native like the regular Mac out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:29   box doesn't have a way for you to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   all the windows to the front other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:32   clicking like a dock icon or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:33   like there's no modifier click on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   window to noon I think in any case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:38   reason I bring all this up is because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   struck me hearing you talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44   that you and many other like old-school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:48   Mac people created these habits over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   course of years that either because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:55   petulantly stubborn or just used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:59   and probably both to be honest you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:02   can't break yourself of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:03   I am glad that the list of things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:08   have that are like that I feel like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   pretty small not to be fair Oh a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   child yes you think it's the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   small because your world hasn't yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:15   changed wait until everyone's in VR and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:18   you're gonna be like I insist on using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:19   my fingers because I use my fingers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   a really long time and you know what and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   to that end actually the obvious answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   to this is no case you still prefer max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   so you're old and you're you're relying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:28   on old technology so your point is fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   but it's just it's striking to me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   you don't really like new things John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:37   think you're taking the wrong lesson for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   this lesson this is like what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   advantage for me changing my habits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   there has to be an advantage that's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:44   be a reason for me to train myself out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   of doing something that one reason could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   be that there is literally no way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:49   it the old way so guess what like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   that's the stick version you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   choice there is no more of that thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   forget about it and whatever but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   there is a way to do it it's you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   strips like what is the cost of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   enabling this way is it some hack that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   destroys your system stability is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   something that you have to maintain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   carefully like upgrade and compile from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   open source software or is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   jailbreaking where every time a new OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   comes out you have to get a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   jailbreak or whatever like that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   the cost and the benefit is you just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:18   to continue to use your old habits and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   it's not just habits in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   winter layering the way I use Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   like my entire system of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   dealing with Windows like this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29   important part of it the fact that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30   grab a corner of a window that belongs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   to an application and bring all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   windows of that application to the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   like I don't have an alternate way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   manage windows in that way like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   want to bring all the windows at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:41   front I've got to go down to the dock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:42   icon but that that breaks my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   system of arranging windows you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:46   spatially to have to use them as sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:49   grab handles and to have locality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   cursor and not to constantly have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:52   down to the bottom of the screen or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   the right or to the left or whatever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   there are benefits to that system and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59   from for this particular feature the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:02   drawbacks in terms of system stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   or maintenance of a weird program or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:08   anything just haven't been there unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   for example window shade which I ran for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:11   a little while but eventually it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   clear that Apple was never going to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:15   really add that some really nasty hacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   to your system to use it so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   abandoned window shade but this I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   abandon because it is a very minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   change very cleanly implemented by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   multiple products that don't require any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:28   hacks to my system whatsoever and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:31   keep doing it so the lesson is not never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   learned new things or don't pick up new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:34   habit or whatever the lesson is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   don't don't blindly abandon the old for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:40   no benefit if there you know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:43   continues to work for you yeah but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   benefit is not having to do any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   tweaking right like something that Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   Benjamin said years and years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   ago which I I don't a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   agree with but I understand his point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   was that like one should embrace the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:58   operating system defaults because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   that much less tweaking and finagling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   messing about you need to do when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:05   get a new machine you know because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   can just accept the defaults and move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   and to be fair like I have a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   insignificant list of software that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   considered completely required for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   use a computer for example Alfred for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   example one password for example Dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   but in terms of like tweaking the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:24   I don't feel like I'm that particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   needy I I say that because I'm probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   more needy than then I realized but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   don't think I'm that bad where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:35   seems like John and maybe this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   your advanced stage maybe it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   advanced experience but the platform but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   it seems like you're more needy in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   department than I am I think I'm using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   less stuff than you as evidenced by my a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   nice clean menubar but like but argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:53   only makes sense if you are forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:54   live in a hotel environment where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   have to sit down in front of a fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:57   computer every day and start your work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58   like we have migration assistant we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   upgrade installs of operating systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   like this is not an issue at all like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   don't spend time setting up my new Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06   like for the people who do that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:08   it's a fun thing they like to do well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:09   just wanna have a fresh system and reset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:10   it up I never reset up a machine from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   scratch I just I just do an upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   install or use migration assistant all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   my stuff is already there and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   that much stuff and dragged thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   running anyway because I like to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   thing on the screen that I can click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   the just has applications in it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   minimize windows or folders in it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   use that as a separate application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:29   separate from its functionality for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:32   window layering but it just happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:33   also do window layering so I'm getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   two for one out of that particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:35   application but no there's not that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   stuff I have my favorite applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   run I think it runs zero system hacks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:43   any kind anymore like like literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   zero like nothing is a kernel extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:49   or a symbol plug-in or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:51   I don't I run very few things that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   display in the menu bar I run favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   applications I like BBEdit I like drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:59   thing which is the plain old application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   with no weird hacks you know I run slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   like we all do whether we like it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   I was gonna say do any of us really run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   slack or to slack run us like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   a yeah it's a it's a fairly clean set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   and as we all know it's not like I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   new Mac so often that I'm constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   setting my handles everything for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:19   like honestly I don't I don't see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   particular advantage in being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:22   stone and then in front of anybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:25   random computer and be able to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   comfortably because first of all it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   not true for almost anybody like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   sit down there hit command space and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   spotlight comes up what are you gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:32   where's your Alfred now right now like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:36   don't there's the whole point is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   except software you can install things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:40   on it to make it nicer to use that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   we like Mac's and so I have I attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   no benefit to being able to use a stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   Mac comfortably so do you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   squirrel direction as natural or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   bogus old one I have the old way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:55   again it's a setting that I said once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   back when they changed that setting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   seven years ago I've never touched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   setting again because it just migrates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01   from computer to computer like it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   know how long did you try natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   scrolling John no not at all like what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   the benefit huh Apple added the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   for that why would I try it like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   you know it's not Apple at the option so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   I didn't feel like I had to run in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   ax it happily takes away the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   guess what I'm gonna switch scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18   directions because what the hell choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   do I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:19   right but they haven't taken it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   it's still there and I can I click that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:22   checkbox once many many years ago and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   never think about it again so Marco are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   you natural scrolling or no didn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   talk about this recently I thought we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:31   did I thought we did but I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:32   remember the I did but Casey tends to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   forget yeah I'm also old scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   because for the same reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:39   I like I tried I tried natural scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   when that option came out for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:42   half a day and I was like nope because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   god you're both sold for the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:46   no because for the same reason I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:47   already used to it and there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   pressure to actually change so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   why should I go through the hassle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   relearning this when I don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:53   have to and maybe down the road I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   have to but when that happens I'll learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   it until then I don't want to and do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00   spend time click on that checkbox lot no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:01   you do it once and that's it even if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:04   frequency I buy new max it isn't a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:06   problem we are sponsored this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2286">TS</a>]

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00:38:15   aftershokz headphones worked by a bone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   conduction this means small transducers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   rest in front of your ears not inside or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   around them like most headphones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   they send tiny vibrations through your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   cheek bones directly to your inner ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   totally bypass in your ears themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   so unlike every other kind of headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   bone conduction leave your ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:32   completely open with nothing plugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   them up or going around them so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   great first of all for comfort for me at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   least I can't wear things that go in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   ear they just hurt after socks don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   have that problem they're also great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   exercise and hot weather because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   don't have some kind of giant ear cup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   making your ear all sweaty because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   there's nothing actually resting on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:52   ear it's just it's a little tiny thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   that touches right in front area and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   they're also ip55 certified for water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   resistance in case you get really sweaty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   or it starts raining and the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   difference is after shocks and this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:02   me is what defines them this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   defines whether they're right for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:05   and this will either sound great or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   awful to you is that nothing is blocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   your ears at all so you hear all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   sound from the world around you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   addition to what you're listening to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   this is actually not so great in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   very loud place like a subway station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   but it's awesome if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   something like taking a walk outside or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   walking through a city where you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   be able to hear what's around you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   practicality or safety reasons they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   also great while jogging or while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:29   cycling because you really don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   be listening to anything that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:32   block out sound when you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   something where the environment around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:35   you matters also just around the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   or around the office you can take you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:39   you can do things like listen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:40   podcast or take a phone call while also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:43   hearing if say your kid upstairs wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:46   up from their nap or there's a knock on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   the door and it's the UPS person or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   something so they're great for all sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   of situations where you want to hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   world around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:52   in addition to what you're listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   the flagship model in the after Sox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   lineup is the trek titanium and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:59   Trek's air these are both great options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   I've had both now I've had a few months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   with each one and you really can't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   wrong with either wanting to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:06   the Trek's titanium is a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   pocketable the treks air is a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   lighter and a little more comfortable so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   it's really up to you what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:14   priorities are they're both fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   you can't go wrong both of them have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   great battery life they have a two year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   warranty and honestly either one you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:23   pretty you're pretty well off so check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:24   it out today at ATP aftershock to calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2424">TS</a>]

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00:40:38   wish to move on from these turf wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   that I'm starting I and why doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:42   somebody tell me about this link about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44   Johnny I've and him hearing our Macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   criticism yeah this there's many been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:50   many Johnny I've article recently most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:51   of them live just since the paper didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:52   haven't read but this one had a quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   that I wanted to pull it was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:55   someone asking Johnny I have about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   know current Apple stuff and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2457">TS</a>]

00:41:00   actually giving answers and so here is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   quote from this article which we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   link is Johnny I've saying absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:08   all of your feelings and feedback around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   the MacBook you use we couldn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   listen more and we hear boy do we hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   so this is it's not much of a statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   but it's merely merely confirmation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   if you think Johnny I've created the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22   current line of MacBook and MacBook Pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   and thinks they're perfect and has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   idea that people have complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   them that is not the case he pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:31   emphatically stated basically yes I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   heard complaints about this computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   two things one we want to hear your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   feedback about it it's not like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:40   saying we made a perfect thing and screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:41   you if you don't like it and two they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:44   definitely hearing it so I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:47   was refreshing because there's so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:48   communication inside Apple that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   could have a bunch of podcasts were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   bunch of people ramble on about how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:55   seems like apples not listening to us or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   might live in a bubble and don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   the things that we're saying and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   not the case maybe the the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:03   roundtable this past spring was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:06   the most straightforward honest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   almost apologetic statements to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:11   public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:12   Apple has ever really given you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   that was like the only time they've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   kind of done mea culpa I'm like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   this this product week we kind of messed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   up and and we're gonna fix it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   think we're gonna get one of those for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   the problems of the current generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:27   of MacBook Pro but this is about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   close as you can get I think this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:32   statement to me says like you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   was this was not some like off-the-cuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   accidental thing that he let slip out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   like I'm sure he I'm sure he thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   about that before he said it and knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   what he was saying and I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   as close as they're going to come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   there's been a lot of negative feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   about this generation of laptops and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   hear you yeah and we don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   they're gonna do about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:53   you know it could be that what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   is still doesn't satisfy satisfy some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   people don't sighs fellas but but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   but you can't say at this point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:00   they have their heads in the sand which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   is the thing that you could have said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   was they're so they're so bad about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:04   giving any sort of transparency to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   thinking because all you hear is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   the earnings call and about how many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   these things they're selling and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   their profits that are great and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   like you have this fear that like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:13   they think everything is awesome because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14   they're selling more like and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   customer satisfaction they ever sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:23   before like all everything looks good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   you know and you you worry that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   your concerns are irrelevant because who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   cares what you think about the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:31   if tons of people are buying them then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   you're wrong and Apple should do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35   sells more Mac's and makes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   customers happy right and that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:38   fear of being marginalized but to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:41   this direct feedback that you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   boy do we hear like that not only do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   oh yeah we hear still be a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   problems but like that the Johnny I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   particular is probably getting an earful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   about like you know slimline keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   that he insisted on or whatever who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:54   knows but the particular details are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   I you know I like I like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   communicating to the public something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:01   that says we acknowledge you and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:05   merely acknowledging doesn't mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08   agree with you it doesn't mean you we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:12   going to do what you want but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   say we're not sticking our head in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   sand and pretending you don't exist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:19   not disregarding you like they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   have said like what kind of already said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   about Apple Park where's another quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   that didn't pull from here which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26   I don't understand when people complain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:27   about Apple park is essentially like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   didn't build it for you you don't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   for Apple it's for people who work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:32   Apple and we know how people who work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   Apple work and you don't so stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:37   complaining about our building like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:38   we're not building a house for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   that's a different kind of feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:41   which is like we hear you but we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:44   you are not what is it you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   standing we hear you but we don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   yeah you don't have standing you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   a party in this conversation like do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   work at Apple then maybe we'll listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:54   you about how much you like the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55   where you have to work if you work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:56   Apple or not you don't have to visit my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   old campus do but anyway but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:01   don't work at Apple you can have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:02   opinions but we're not gonna listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   it because we're building you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   place where Apple employees right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:08   obviously I feel like if someone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:11   more of an apple never thinking to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   back with giant said yeah but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   employees also have complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   this spaceship and so you could say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:18   these are in my complaints I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:19   conveying to you the things that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   heard Apple employees tell me you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   anonymously or otherwise about how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:24   want to have private offices and blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   blah is everything but clearly Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   was not ready to to accept that feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:32   about Apple Park but he seems ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   accept the feedback about the laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   the question is what happens next or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41   what has already happened because as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:42   talked about before the timelines on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:43   hardware designs are long and for all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:46   know eight months ago they already made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   a radical right turn about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   keyboard plans for the next line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   laptops and we'll find out when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   released here's hoping all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:57   ask ATP and we begin with Josh Keegan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   who writes I grew up a huge book reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   my wife did two combined we have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   or four bookcases full of paperbacks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   hard covers I recently decided that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   should get rid of them they seem archaic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   to me now in the age of e-books my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   disagrees and so they remain do you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   have a lot of books in the house just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   keeping paper books seem old-fashioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:14   to you let me start by saying having us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   adjudicate your marital deliberations is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:20   probably not a wise choice but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   being said I we Aaron and I are both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:26   pretty big readers Aaron more so than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   I feel like I just don't have time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   it probably because I'm spending too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   much time on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   because I'm an idiot but nevertheless I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   do enjoy reading novels I do quite like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   reading a physical book if I if I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42   prefer physical book over anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   unless I'm travelling but anyways I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   don't see a problem with books if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:49   don't need the space for anything else I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:50   don't know why you would get rid of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   but I am NOT one that is deeply bothered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   by by I'm gonna say clutter although it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   doesn't sound like it's clutter stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   contained in a books yes stuff thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   so I say my vote is keep them unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   have a reason for that space but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:05   just me Marco what do you think we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:08   some books there they're in a bookshelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   in the living room it's a nice big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:11   built-in thing and it would look weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   if it was empty and so we keep a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   lot of books there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16   we don't actually really add or remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19   or use the books there very often and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:23   most of the books just sit there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   look pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:25   but that is a useful function they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   pretty on these giant shelves that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   built into our house and if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   gone it would be weird so you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   what you just had case like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   really I don't see any problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   having them there they're not causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:37   any harm they don't have any needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   really and there's nothing else that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   would put on those shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   at the moment so if that ever changes if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:46   we really need the space or if for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   reason we want to tear those shelves out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:49   of out of the walls then sure I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:52   push to get rid of to get rid of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   then but if they're not causing problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   for you I don't I don't see why you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:59   get rid of them I like books I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   collected books since I was very young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   not just for the words on the pages but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   to the point where I would buy multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   copies of a book I like because I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   the books as objects you know special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   editions of books leather-bound versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   of books books with fancy illustrations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16   or shiny covers a really thick paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   stock I like books as objects yeah in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21   addition to liking the words in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:24   when I went to work for what was at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   time the largest ebook seller in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   world back in back in the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   before Amazon even got into the game I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   got converted to ebooks pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   wholesale so I prefer to actually read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:38   books in electronic form but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   have a huge soft spot for the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:43   books I would do the things where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   would buy the book and read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   a book for him but then by the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   edition hardcover just to put in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   Shelf that I literally never opened so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:54   I'm obviously very Pro book my problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:58   is if you if you were like this and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   really like books as physical objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:01   and you're not fantastically wealthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   eventually you will run out of room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   put books our house is essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   overflowing with books most bookshelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   double and triple stacked with books in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   the Attic and so now I've mostly put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   moratorium on buying more paper books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   because I I can't I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   displace any books that I have so right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   now I mostly only by very large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:23   beautiful coffee table books filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   illustrations or like those really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   gigantic awesome making of Star Wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   books that had that I have lots of words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:33   and illustrations in them that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   difficult to do in electronic form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   unless someone gives me my 27 inch iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   pro so I am all for physical books but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:43   like so many physical objects if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:45   continue down that path you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:48   probably eventually run out of room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:49   books Craig writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   why does Apple refused to make desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   back like keyboards gaming keyboards go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   crazy with any on lights do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   Apple would ever make a desktop keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   with just enough light to see your keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2998">TS</a>]

00:49:59   I have a hard time answering this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:03   question because I can touch type and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:04   have been able to for a very long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   so this having lights on my keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:10   does not really help me I presume that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   they don't really have any interest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   this because it would you know cause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   the battery on your magic keyboard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18   drain even faster and yes I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   easily rechargeable you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   harpoon a turtle to do it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:24   nevertheless you know it's nice not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:25   having to plug my keyboard in but once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   every month or two and so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   they will personally but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   that's my two cents mark we went to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   first last time so John what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:36   think even if you touch type the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:39   they have the light of keyboards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:40   laptop is they think people will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   using them in dark places and yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   can touch type but can you touch type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45   the media keys can you touch type the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   function keys most people can't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   it's just too far of a reach and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:50   just too weird and you casually have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:51   glance and see you know where is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   know f7 or where is the pause key or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:58   know or whatever I mean help with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59   new keyboards you can't even touch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:01   keys yeah well you can eventually if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   feel for the little divider and the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   halves the key is for top and bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   before you go to the left right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   anyway it's annoying so I think there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11   a place for backlighting on keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:12   even for touch typists but for desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:15   keyboards if you're using a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   keyboard in a dark place that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   your choice probably like it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   a laptop where you may find yourself on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   a plane where everybody's sleeping or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24   you know in an environment where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   lighting is not ideal and like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   you do have the charging difficulty so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   don't think Apple's opposed to back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   the keyboards I wouldn't expect any neon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33   ones I feel like it's a thing I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:37   Apple shipping if they could if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   could sort out the battery issues they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42   would probably ship it you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   because someone will get it in an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   that it's at its usual thing to have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   they can charge a little bit more Ani [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49   for the backup version they would do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50   but honestly unless someone inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53   is really passionate about this I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   see them leaving it as a third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:57   opportunity as they say because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   haven't come out with one by now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:00   obviously don't think it's a big need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   you know using PC gaming keyboards that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:05   are full of LEDs as an example is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:08   good example of why Apple should do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   because things are hideous and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:13   if you if Apple knows those exist which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:15   I kind of hope that no one there knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:16   but if they do know they would use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   as an argument and why not to make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   things but yeah also as you mentioned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   would have to be charged you definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   more frequently also I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:27   you know the need for word is less on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   desktops because desktop screens are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   much bigger and you keep them so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   brighter usually because there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:35   battery concern but there's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   good chance there's the light from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   screen lights up the keys enough to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:41   you where the keys are even in a pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:42   dark room so I think the need for it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   significantly lower it does however just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:47   look cool like when it's done right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:48   the way apples are done with subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:49   white lighting and supposed to blue LEDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   when done tastefully like that it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55   look really cool it just looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:56   nice luxury product like on the laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:58   this isn't to say that they should never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   do it but I don't think they will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   because again charging needs the less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:04   actual like physical need for it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:07   you can see your keyboard usually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:08   like in desktops and also that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:12   desktop keyboards are just a pretty low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   priority for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:14   they don't really redesign them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   often or put that much effort into them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:17   so I even you know from that point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:20   view I think it would be very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   argue that Apple should you know put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   the effort to make that happen on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:28   hardware line that they update what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:30   every ten years all right and finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:33   pretend stats have rights how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:36   dynamic ad targeting and podcasts work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   ad companies say they can target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:39   listeners but Marco has said that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   can only really know how many downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   the mp3 podcast file gets and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   about it when it comes to data save for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   proprietary apps and then he added this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:50   one is for Casey I'm not sure because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   feel like I am deeply in ill-equipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   answer this question but this sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58   like it's two different things to me all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   rolled into one or maybe I just would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   like someone Marco I guess to clarify so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:06   when I when I hear dynamic in podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:09   what I think is there is there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   I don't know servers for lack of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:15   better description or networks where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   they know that an ad starts at ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:20   minutes and it is two minutes long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:23   they can run an ad in that spot for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:27   week or two and then change that ad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:30   be something else and they'll Rhian code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   or I'm assuming re-encode the mp3 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   for two weeks it'll be the next ad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   then so on and so forth but but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   proton is talking about is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   than that if I'm not mistaken which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   Oh Casey is a white male that is in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:46   mid 30s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:47   let's give him these ads as opposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:50   different ones so Marco can you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   tell me what this is all about yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   the latter theory you have is the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   correct one so the reason the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3296">TS</a>]

00:55:00   this came up and the reason I put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   here as a question I wanted to answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:02   that a lot of people are starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:05   hear what are pretty clearly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:08   dynamically on demand inserted ads in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   usually popular podcasts this past year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:15   there have been a lot of major podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   like from major producers like some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   the public radio producers and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3320">TS</a>]

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01:04:33   hosting all of my stuff and supporting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   this show Thursday night I'm laying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:42   bed and I'm looking at you know Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   or what have you and I'm starting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:47   that that people in the future are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:51   perturbed and they're perturbed because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:54   apparently some of their phones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   endlessly rebooting and I'm starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   see like text messages or slack messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   from friends who live in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   they're saying oh my god something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:07   deeply wrong change your phone's clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   what change your phone's clock because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:13   once you hit Friday the air I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16   once you hit I guess was Friday night it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   doesn't matter boy one of these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   once you hit overnight at like 12:15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   suddenly your phone will go bananas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:26   think it was Friday night into Saturday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   that's my bad yeah it was into December [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:29   2nd yep so change your phone Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:33   either turn off all notifications which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   there is no big red you know abort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:38   switch for notifications so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:40   go into every single app and turn them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:41   off or change your clocks such that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:45   will never roll over the very early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:48   morning of December 2nd which is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   did and that causes a whole new world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:52   problems that are not terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:53   interesting but it was it was a pain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:55   the butt that was my first question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:56   was gonna ask you when I was going I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   living backwards in time going through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   your old Twitter pass and seeing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02   you and lots of other people not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:04   you went with that option like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:07   something's wrong we're not quite sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:08   what it is at this point in time but one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:10   of the suggested solutions is to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:11   your clock back and a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   who I felt like should know better said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   I'll do that I'll set my clock back well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:18   will will slow down what are my options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:19   so I have three options to my mind I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:23   wait and see and potentially end up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   a phone that is not bricked but is damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:28   near useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:29   I can pray that I don't get zapped by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:32   this bug or I can set my clock back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:36   just deal with some inconveniences yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:37   but both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:38   two options are better than setting your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:39   clock back like in general I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:42   like as a computer user rule of thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:46   this didn't used to be true but has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   true for the past I don't know decade or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   so since SSL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:51   yeah probably but but even actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:54   maybe even before don't change the date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   on your computer because unbeknownst to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4017">TS</a>]

01:06:58   you tons of things on your computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:01   especially on your phone don't work if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:04   you're if the date your date is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:08   real date things like iMessage which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   probably care about a lot like texting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12   is a very popular application it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:15   very recent all those things there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:18   nothing they will instantly break but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:19   they can break websites the popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:22   websites that you use applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:25   like many many things depend on the date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   so like the options you listed like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:30   could cross your fingers and hope you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:32   could wait for a different thing another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   one is you could just shut down your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:35   phone and wait with your phone turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:37   also at the very least you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:39   whatever data is on your phone is safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   because the thing is off right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:42   just find out what the duskiness out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:44   you know for a fact that changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   date is gonna mess some things up maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:49   a few things maybe a lot of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52   the main reason I wouldn't changed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   this case is in a sort of an unknown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:55   type scenario where you don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   the deal is like is this a big bug is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:58   a little bug what's the fix gonna be is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   Apple gonna have a thing there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:01   unknowns I wouldn't want to add to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:04   noise with date stuffed and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   happened with a lot of people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:07   set their date back where once the bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:10   fix was out they're like oh the they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   fixed the bug but now I can't FaceTime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   with people and it was because they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:15   said the date back and now their face ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:17   or whatever was yeah and now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19   suffering from the fallout of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:20   attempted fix so it's counterintuitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   if you haven't dealt with any of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   but perhaps surprisingly changed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:27   data on your computer or phone can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   will cause all sorts of weird problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   that are difficult to attribute or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:32   diagnose and won't give you nice error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   messages that say oh you change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35   date so I would suggest that if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:38   among all the options that you have pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:41   that one last pick that one after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:44   know prefer the option of simply turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   off your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:46   so I disagree I'd also add to the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:49   of problems that it causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   will sink bugs and possible data loss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   with apps that sink yes because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   sink engines are the a lot of sing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:57   engines try to resolve merges changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   and conflicts using time this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   always the best approach but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:03   basically how a lot of them do it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   so sometimes it salts antennas all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:08   you've got depending on how the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:09   service works right and there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:10   sorts of methods to sync but that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11   using time to help resolve like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   changed what lasts and whose version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   there should be the authoritative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:16   version is a very very common way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:19   it so if you change your date back not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:22   only are you likely to not only be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   causing a whole bunch of other weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:25   stuff to happen for instance late you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   now created like two copies of December [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:31   1st in your computing environment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   like so like things can be written to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:36   the to the file system or things can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:38   changed or things can be dated in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39   that makes them seem like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   sequential in one direction but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   were actually sequential in the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   direction or like there's so many weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:47   things that can happen this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:49   usually happen with daylight saving time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:50   bugs because a that doesn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:51   change the underlying unix time value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   the computer and be you're normally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   asleep between 2:00 and 3:00 in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:56   morning so it doesn't usually affect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   and here because you're not usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4198">TS</a>]

01:09:59   using a computer at that point but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:01   changing your clock backed by a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:03   day gives you a large opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:07   make a whole bunch of changes and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   create data and make edits to things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   things like that in a way that will very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:14   much confuse software and cause weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:16   bugs to happen that you might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:17   immediately see see and I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   that but I think two different comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:22   in the chatroom kind of sum up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:23   opinion psycho Mac head said tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:25   things not working is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:27   everything not working and I agree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:28   that because I your guys aren't wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   you're absolutely right but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:34   know at the time and I knew I was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:36   to go to sleep for the evening and cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37   into this no-man's land I didn't know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   the time how bad the error was like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   heard it was just a constant respring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:43   but I didn't know if it was a constant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:45   ray spring every two seconds every two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:48   minutes every two hours and I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:52   leave myself the ability to say I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54   know do a software update without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   to worry about the respring happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   every two seconds now as it turns out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   was not every two seconds there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:02   every like two or three minutes but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:03   didn't know at the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:04   I knew I was about to go to sleep but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:07   like Marco said data loss like turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09   your phone off is still the preferable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   one like until the dust settles because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:13   if you had a sink in just now thinks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:15   server-side version is newer than your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   than your day old data which is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:19   updated a second ago and it overwrites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   your locally edited information with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23   stuff from the server like you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:24   actually done anything but you've merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:25   changed the date back so it's confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   about what the latest stuff is and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29   brings that like you could have data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:30   loss whereas you know the respring thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:33   or even just restarting there was not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:36   mention of data loss in that and either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:37   way if you want to avoid it entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:38   turn your phone turn your phone off shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:40   it down and wait to find out what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42   deal is that is that is the safest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   possible default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:45   I don't not saying like you know saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:46   like say it's not the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   like it's you you made a call and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   probably knew the risks better than most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:51   people this is mostly for other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:53   who think that changing the date has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:54   risks associated with it you emphasize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   that it has lots of risks and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:59   fallout from it can ripple through for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:02   long time and can be hard to distinguish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05   problems caused by you changing the date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:07   and problems caused by the bug and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   problems that still linger after the bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   is fixed and like I said I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   happened people who change the date had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:15   problems when they tried to apply the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:16   software update because they had changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   the date see but the thing is though we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:21   didn't know or at least I didn't know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:23   the time I made this decision what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   gonna happen and and I don't think just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:28   turning off my phone in Waiting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:30   next day and trying on another device to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:32   see what the fix was that to me is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:35   valid option because what if for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:37   sake of discussion it was a respring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:38   every two seconds what am i how am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:41   going to accomplish anything at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43   point so my phone goes off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:45   everything's working like I that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   I turn it off Friday night everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   working Saturday morning I wake up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:52   turn it on immediately Rae Springs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:55   respring respring now what do I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   Wow you don't turn on that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   turn on the phone until you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:00   a fix like or do you know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:01   decision is because like information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   came out like we don't know what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   don't know now but presumably by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   next day you wake up and you read here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:08   what the deal is is there fixes they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   not effects how bad is the bug what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   the possible workarounds was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:14   know like waiting for more information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:15   to come out of century because more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:16   information didn't come out in about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:17   day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:17   you learn the shape of this bug you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   learn what what it actually caused you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   learn multiple workarounds including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   date thing and by then people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:24   learning about the problems about having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   a date bug like just I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:27   like patience right and you know know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:29   your phone's not gonna fix itself when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31   it's turned off but it's also not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:32   get worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:32   so like presumably Apple will fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:35   Apple is not going to allow that if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:36   a important bug it's not like Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:38   gonna be silent for six months about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:39   this bug and and no one could turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:41   their phones like you're not gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:42   stuck with the turned off phone forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:43   there will be a fix and the more series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45   is the the the sooner the fix will be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:47   I was like it's like that is the it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   perhaps the most annoying option but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   it's also the most conservative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:52   probably the safest and that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:53   would rank it above changing the date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   because that is that's that's more a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:56   risky option it's a way like can I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:58   take can I do something they'll expose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   me to a small amount of risk but let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:01   not have to let me continue using my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:03   phone essentially yeah that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:05   the math I did and to me being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:07   still use my phone was was worth that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:10   risk and I'm not saying that I'm right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:11   I'm just saying I stand by the decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:14   I made at the time but anyway as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   turns out it was not as dire as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   thought and to be honest John's approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   in retrospect was the best answer which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:23   would have been to turn off your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   just wait it out see what happens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27   and as I think I said a moment ago it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:30   turns out that I guess something with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:32   local notifications was causing an error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:35   within springboard and springboard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:37   you know the the home screen among other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:38   things and so springboard would crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40   every two or three minutes and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:42   only if you had an app that used a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   notification and if you're not a iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:47   developer that may not mean a lot to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:48   and so a local notification to a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:52   looks identical in almost every scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:54   pretty actually every scenario I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   think of to a push notification but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   difference is rather than coming from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4498">TS</a>]

01:14:59   external tear device server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   it's coming from your phone itself so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03   your phone is either saying maybe in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   background process oh I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   send a you know have a notification show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:09   up or perhaps in the case of like dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:12   eue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:12   hey this person has asked for a reminder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15   about this thing they want to do at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:18   know nine o'clock in the evening they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:19   the person has asked to be reminded that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:22   ATP is being recorded and so they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:25   schedule our reminder locally on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27   device for nine o'clock on Wednesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29   evening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:30   and those were the things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   causing the problem and by the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:33   woke up there was actually a fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:36   available and before we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:39   what that fix was do we have any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:40   commentary about the bug itself yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:45   Marcos commentary the best solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:48   obviously is always luck which is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:50   had because I was way behind in Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:52   so like I said I'm reading about the bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   like hours and hours like I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   hours and hours old tweets so the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:57   rest of the world knows how it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:59   already but I don't know I'm reading you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:01   know five hours ago tweets right in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02   look at this bug and I'm rolling through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   and and so I'm learning about it in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:05   time on my phone all the while I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:09   ant wait see how this turns out is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:10   gonna turn out that my phone is affected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:11   by it I'm like well it's not rebooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:14   to springboard constantly right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:15   won't believe what happens next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:17   yeah right so basically I lucked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:19   because I guess I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:20   applications that do local notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:21   so I got to read the story of my present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:26   you know backwards in time and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:29   fun and so yeah if you can rely on luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:30   I highly recommend it my solution was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:34   be a member of multiple slack groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   where Casey was also a member because on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:40   the night of December 1st when this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:41   all coming out like right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:42   midnight that it was going to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:44   Casey posted in every slack that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   in about this horrible thing I was read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:51   his slack things backwards in time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:52   him like oh wow Casey really went all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:54   out warning the world about this again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:56   at the time like I didn't have a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   lot of facts but what I did know was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:01   that people in the future and by that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:03   mean in like Australia New Zealand were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05   we're having serious problems with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:07   phones and so these are all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:08   especially in the slacks you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   didn't really saw it sound the alarm too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   heavily on Twitter but for for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   friends and slack I want you guys to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:17   able to react and do something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:18   this be that turn off your phone be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   set your clocks whatever the case may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:21   because the initial reports of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:24   because it was a game of telephone where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:25   it was oh my god your phone is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:27   explode if you cross 11 12:15 on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:30   Saturday morning and so yes I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:32   spamming everyone but I stand by that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:35   well because I would much rather roles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:37   reversed I would much rather see Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   or John spam me in two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:41   different slacks and say oh god set your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   clock back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   and at least be or make a decision you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   know what I want to do rather than have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:48   Marco or John be like I'm sure it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51   well and I appreciate because that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   I heard about it because like so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:55   know I had like a night like I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:56   figured I was doing that I was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:57   know spending time with family so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:58   wasn't browsing the internet I wasn't on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   Twitter that night and as I mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   previously I don't have Twitter on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:03   phone anymore so I don't browse to it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05   my phone so I was getting ready I was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:06   was brushing my teeth and reading my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:07   phone because I'm a hopeless technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   addicts and I read my phone while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:10   brush my teeth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:11   yep you got to hold the toothbrush like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:15   straight down so if face ID will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   recognize you anyway house you can spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:21   two minutes thinking no so anyway so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:28   brush my teeth and I started seeing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:31   these messages from you and I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:32   thinking and and by that time I we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:34   had known by that point this was this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:36   like four minutes before midnight but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:39   knew at that point that it had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:42   with recurring local notifications only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:44   so as I'm sitting there brushing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   teeth I'm like oh my god wait okay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:49   know it's a quick inventory of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:50   household devices what's gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4730">TS</a>]

01:18:52   problem like all right all my stuff's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:53   the beta so I'm fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:55   TIFF oh no her stuff is not on the beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   I'm thinking like what's the fastest way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4737">TS</a>]

01:18:59   I can solve this problem the next four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:01   minutes well let's have strongly agreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   her phone in bed like you never read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:04   Instagram and like go to sleep and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   rush I run into a bit out of her hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:09   I read the bedroom with the toothbrush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   in my mouth uninstall your water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:15   reminder app sometime in the next four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:17   minutes like what why like just just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:20   it like why because she could tell I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:24   super freaked out about it she had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:25   idea what the hell I was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:26   because I realized that like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:28   thinking like thinking through the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:30   she would have on her phone that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   send recurring local notifications she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   had some kind of like drink more water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:35   reminding application so I knew that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:38   a thing and and I like I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   finished with my teeth Reena ran back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   and I had like two minutes left I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   like I was like are there any other apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   that you have on your phone that send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   you notifications that are not from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   big company because the thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   every other app from a big company is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53   going to send remote push notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:56   they're never going to use local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:57   there oh they're only gonna ever use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59   your road the only apps that really ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   use little notifications at all our apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   that really need to for some reason like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:06   you know reminding apps or alarm apps or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:09   to do apps or overcast for that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   implementation detail and so and I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:14   because it was recurring little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:15   notifications like that that cuts out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   lot of of potential app types like very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:22   few apps use recurring little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:23   notifications so that's why they say wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:27   this was a huge problem it was a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:29   problem only for people who use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   relatively small subset of app types so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:34   this was actually not nearly as bad as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:37   it could have been I mean this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   problem with anybody who had any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:40   any kind of notifications that would've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:41   been a much bigger problem than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:44   and it was pretty big but it could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46   been way worse so anyway so she got off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:49   okay after we're installing the reminder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:50   the water reminder app because I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:53   thinking like can I install a beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:54   informant nope did not the profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4854">TS</a>]

01:21:00   install it's not gonna work like yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:03   anyway how do Apple solve this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   KC so as it turns out and we we've kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:08   of put these pieces not the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   just in general the communities put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:12   these pieces together after the fact as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:13   it turns out iOS eleven point two is due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   to come out this week and and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   heard conflicting reports what day of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:18   the week it was supposed to come out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   it doesn't really matter to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   but it probably wasn't Friday night at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   midnight yeah exactly so you know eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:28   point two was in the hopper so to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   and it was imminently going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:31   released and so one would assume that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:35   had been heavily Qaid it was pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:38   ready to go and they were just waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:39   to make sure that their servers were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:41   know up to snuff that that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:43   the emergency response team was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:46   and ready to act you know when they hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48   the Go button or whatever that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:50   that Apple does when they release new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:51   you know iOS point release and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:55   think about it Apple had a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   choices right thank you I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   imagining like Johnny I've in a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:02   white room with a big white button on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:05   perfectly formed wooden Apple Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   go it wouldn't even be labeled though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   know he hates buttons it would just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   spot on the table yeah exactly that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   would have to just apply some pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:17   to and it would be a forced click button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   he just gives it a meaningful look he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:20   doesn't but anyway the point is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:25   that you know Apple all kidding aside it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:28   basically two choices they could either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:29   put together a fix just for this issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:32   and try to like emergency cue a test it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35   and try to put together an emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   patch and start shipping this patch or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   it was it was very quickly obvious of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42   people on the beta we're not having this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:43   problem like Marco had said and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:46   could alternatively just say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:47   what the hell with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49   11.2 wasn't supposed to go out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51   Marco said at midnight Eastern on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:54   Friday evening and gosh knows that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   you've ever done anything with software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   you never want to deploy on a Friday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   night because that means you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   on a Friday at all because that means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:03   your weekend is all but assured Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   screwed but at this point they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:06   screwed anyway so we why not and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:09   they ended up doing was releasing 11.2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:11   early which I think was the smart choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:15   I mean it's easy for me to armchair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:16   quarterback but hey that's what we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:19   to me I think that was the best choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:20   they could have made but it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   had its own set of penalties in in no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:26   small part because say you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5006">TS</a>]

01:23:28   release notes for example if I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   mistaken mentioned Apple what does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:32   Apple pay cash is that what it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:34   basically peer-to-peer Apple pay Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:36   venmo Apple venmo slash Apple Square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:39   cash well anyways so that was mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41   in the release notes and then all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:42   including me went to go find it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   wasn't there and we were like well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:45   what's going on here and as it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:47   there was a server side switch they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:48   needed to flip which I think they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   Monday or it was early this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   regardless but you know it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54   clear that this was not their intention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   but given the the hand they had in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   of him I think this was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5038">TS</a>]

01:23:59   decision they could have made I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:01   Marco do you would you say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   would do the same thing in their shoes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:04   mean I don't really have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:05   information to know what their options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:06   really were here but probably I mean see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:09   it like I was using the 11.2 beta for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   while and it was seemed fine to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:13   that's you know that's just one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:15   if it was truly just like a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   days from release then yeah that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   like a totally fine solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   the problem is is embarrassing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:24   fact that they keep having problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:27   iPhones with related to date and time is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:30   concerning for things like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:33   alarms not going off in certain days for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34   people and weird daylight savings bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37   like it like I am definitely concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:39   the number of Prague's that iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:43   specifically has about local local date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:47   and time issues I thought we were done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49   with those a few years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:50   apparently we're not and that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:52   could use some investigation on Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:56   part maybe maybe some auditing and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   you know really making sure that code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   solid because we shouldn't be having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   those kinds of bugs in 2017 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:03   you know Apple's better than that but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:06   for the actual fix they did to fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   horribly embarrassing bug yeah it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:11   fine you know and I should also mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:13   there was something going on with Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   as well and I never really got a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:18   read on what it was but like you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:20   heard that month thirteen is that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:24   thirteen tell me again why I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:27   update the High Sierra this one thirteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:29   is it is it in bounds or is it out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:32   bounds I forget you'll never know no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   it wasn't even the month thirteen thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:35   there's something to do with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:37   spotlight I think or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:38   I forget exactly what it was but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:40   was a a not widespread but medium spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:44   I don't even know if that's really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:45   phrase but a medium spread bug that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:48   affecting I believe High Sierras well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:51   and I can't remember what the hell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:52   was but it was something to do with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54   your menu bar or spotlight or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:55   like that I haven't seen that one I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:59   I'm afraid to look at my console for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   month thirteen messages but still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:04   on isn't it did ten point whatever point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:06   to fix it I would I looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   release notes for briefly and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:10   the very first item would be month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:11   thirteen is now no longer balanced we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5171">TS</a>]

01:26:14   added a new month thirteen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:15   calendar to fix this bug so far has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:19   find like the the code in corefoundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:20   that runs this assertion that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:23   printing printing this message and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:25   I know and then the grand scheme of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:27   things we talked about with the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29   springboard crashing repeatedly and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:32   know the whatever the the problem was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35   last week that I've already forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:36   like 1:13 being out of bounds but to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:38   clear what we're talking about is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:39   message that appears in the console on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41   your Mac that repeatedly tells you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44   month 13 is out of bounds like multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:45   times per second like slowing down your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:47   Mac yeah it depends on where it's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:50   from what applications you have running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52   but but it sounds like you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:54   your Mac still works you just got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:55   bunch of noise in the console not a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:56   deal but something about the sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5216">TS</a>]

01:27:00   you know the hygienic programmer in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:03   finds that one all the more bothersome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:06   because it hasn't been fixed and sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:08   knowing that your computer is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10   emitting 10 or 20 of this identical log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:14   message per second every second every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16   day that you're using it and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:19   hasn't fixed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:19   kind of like gnaws at the back of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   mind like it is it doesn't it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24   sit well with me regardless of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:27   actual implications like no they use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:28   database format and it coalesces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:31   duplicates and really it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:32   incrementing a counter and you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   actually storing duplicates in Bob a Bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:35   like whatever the I don't care about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:37   technical things like it's just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5257">TS</a>]

01:27:39   and maybe also as a server-side para [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:41   programmer noise and logs is bad noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:44   and logs rent you from seeing signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   stop spewing stuff to logs like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:49   thing that makes you go around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:50   company with the big virtual stick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:51   about people I stopped stop filling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:55   logs with crap if you're debugging fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:56   debug and then turn off your log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:58   messages like keep the logs clean so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:01   really hope that my 13 well no longer be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04   out of bounds yeah that's that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:07   big thing like that when they Channing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:08   introduces new login framework I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   it was what last year or the year before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:11   when they introduced the new logging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13   framework like they tad like oh it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:15   lightweight you can just leave you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:17   incredibly verbose logging enable at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   time and the system will handle it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:20   because like oh it's so efficient and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22   like if no one's looking if no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:24   looking at the log it doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:25   written anywhere or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:26   like there's all sorts of details that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:28   make it super efficient but like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:29   I'm with you like like first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   looking at console or even the Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:33   developer log is nearly useless since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:37   this change because the the apparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:40   message with an apple when when they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:41   this was now that we've made logging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   really cheap we can just dump diarrhea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:46   in the logs constantly from everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:48   and it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:50   really hard to actually look at the logs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:53   when you're having a problem and find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:55   anything useful at all or to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57   anything on a tethered device with Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5337">TS</a>]

01:29:00   and even if you do the whole like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:01   know OS whatever iOS disabled mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:04   disabled whatever that macro is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:06   supposed to set doesn't actually work it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:07   doesn't actually do want and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:10   like the every part of iOS and Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:13   now just dumps so much crap to the log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:15   that it has made the log useless and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:19   only for developers but also just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:20   users like sometimes some form answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:22   will be like hey go look at console dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   app for the for something like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:26   that might tell us an answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:28   III really strongly disagree with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:32   Apple you know way of doing this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:34   we're logging tons of unnecessary crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:36   all the time is considered ok because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:38   they made logs really cheap yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:41   for the developer it's like I think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:42   actually more reasonable to say oh just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:45   whitelist your application like use our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:46   filtering features to just see logs from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:49   your applications but for for users like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:52   console has historically been granted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:53   one of the last resorts but like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:55   you're really desperate to see what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   deal is you will probably find yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:01   launching console and saying maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:03   there's a messaging console that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:04   let me know what the problem is and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:07   that case you can't run any filters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09   because you don't know what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:10   filter you don't know what application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:12   or what part of the system you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:13   know what to filter for you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:14   whitelist you could selectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5414">TS</a>]

01:30:16   blacklist if you had eliminated sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:18   of things but like sort of an overview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:21   of like hey is anything weird going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5421">TS</a>]

01:30:23   in my system that's why in server-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   application is that the general best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   practices did not have noisy laws to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:29   have at least one log that it basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:30   when everything's okay then the log is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:33   relatively quiet or there's only one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   kind of log message there we're like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   some way where you could say look if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:38   anything other than this normal state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:40   appears here we have a problem and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   normal state may be total quiet so which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44   would mean that every single line to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   this log means there's a problem or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   normal state could mean log messages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   this type are fine but if you see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:51   other kind of log message that that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53   indicative of a problem that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:55   need if you just have a big dumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56   ground no matter how good your filtering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:58   facilities are no matter how good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5458">TS</a>]

01:30:59   are keeping up your whitelist or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:00   blacklist of filtering it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:03   especially in the case of an emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:05   hat you have no place to look anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   where a human being can look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   inside it's not like normal to you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:10   like I don't know it's just a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:11   butts just a bunch of crap it's is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   more crap or less crap than we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:15   before and then finally like month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   thirteen of that bounce it represents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:19   some kind of error is that a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:20   error is it a data error whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22   source of the error is is an assertion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:23   that's failing and we all agree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:25   there is no month thirteen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:27   calendar that we all use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:28   so something somewhere is wrong cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:29   someone should fix it so we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:31   to see that message twenty times a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:32   second should this be a long message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:34   shouldn't this be an assertion shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:35   it crash like that's you know by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:38   also for the record I I have ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:40   thirteen two on my laptop I just booted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:43   it up this looked it I'm still getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:45   month 13 is out of bounds errors in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:46   console so 10 13 2 does not fix this bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:49   it also doesn't fix my font smoothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:51   bug because the unchecking the use font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:54   smoothing when available box still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:56   completely broken now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:58   what three months after the release of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   this OS to major point releases in if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   you if you have that box off everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:05   is still completely broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:06   so thanks Apple I why am I being pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:09   so hard to use this OS why is this being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:10   pushed forcibly through my App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:12   like well it promote it when it's ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5532">TS</a>]

01:32:15   it's not ready sorry that month 13 thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:20   I don't think crashing is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:21   perfect is this of a date if it's a data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:22   driven error the data is bad the code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   not the code is just telling you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:25   video is bad and in the verbose way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:28   the tradition that you just said of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:29   oh if you find something wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:30   you're not going to throw an exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:32   just log it so you'll know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:34   but if it happens 20 times a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   that's not great so I'm assuming this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:38   some sort of data bug where some piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:40   of data somewhere either from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:41   network or on the system has a bad date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   in it or some bad date math added one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:46   a 12 and got a 13 not a reason for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:50   coding question to throw an exception in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   that case because it could be inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:54   some important subsystem that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:55   want to like take down the whole system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:56   just because it got some bad data or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57   whatever I'm just saying find where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5577">TS</a>]

01:32:59   bug is and fix it and obviously it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:01   less urgent than everything else we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:02   talked about but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:05   irrationally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:06   like I said hygiene wise for me if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   feels mentally urgent to me that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:10   stop being on in the console so not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:16   good week for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:17   streak between the root bug in this bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:20   it's just not not good but not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:23   I'm gonna say not you know so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:25   good lots of bugs but not actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:26   bad either because in the grand scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   of things Apple like either through luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   partially through luck but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   partially through things working the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   ways they're supposed to Apple got fixes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36   out in a timely manner the fix is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:40   or less work plus or minus some minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:42   fixes to the fixes the user base in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:45   general you know could have been it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:48   could have been much worse but it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   I mean the reasons marco said local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:51   notifications only the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:54   fixes came out pretty quickly I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:56   sure if any of these things even made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:57   out of the little tech nerd circle onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:59   like the evening news or whatever into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:01   the wider world like was their front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03   page New York Times story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:04   everybody's iPhones bricking like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:05   would be worse right so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:07   unfortunate and there was definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:09   some bad luck involved but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:10   also some good luck and I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:12   more or less functioned the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:14   supposed to oh you've got an emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:16   and a bug all hands on deck let's fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5656">TS</a>]

01:34:19   the problem and they fixed it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:22   know you can get you can get pessimistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:23   about the fact that there's all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:24   bugs and we've talked about that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:26   length but I'm I'm mostly satisfied that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   Apple handled the situation the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31   would expect a professional good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   organization to handle the situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   yeah yeah I mean they they're not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:39   as angry as I am about how crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:42   they're treating hi Sierra right now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:45   how it should not be it should not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:46   been released period like this at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:48   OS is still a beta and should not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:51   been released and if they insisted on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   releasing it they should not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:54   promoting it as hard as they are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5694">TS</a>]

01:34:55   should not be automatically pardoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   people to install it as much as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:58   but all that being said they are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:01   software bugs happen they are fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:03   them you know bugs happen on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:05   platforms and alack this isn't just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:06   Mac thing like iOS has problems Mac has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:09   problems as long as they fix the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:10   problems they're doing their job yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:13   but high sierra is not ready I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:15   don't know why you say that it's I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17   it on every one of my machines and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:18   been fine it's just very upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:21   fonts moving apparently well and root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   and month 13 like this it's not that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:26   has one problem I Sierra has lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:29   problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   like I don't know I mean it depends on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   if you encounter the problems like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   it's the example you said I was had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:38   these trepidations about installing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:39   right and then eventually I just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:40   install it on my wife's computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   it's been fine I mean I'm sure it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43   console her consoles filling right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   with Mon 13 being out of bounds but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   beyond that it's more or less works I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   it's hard for me to gauge like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:51   the stability of this thing across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:52   entire user base some people have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:55   problems with than others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:56   none of us have the Windows Server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:58   crashing bug which would certainly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5758">TS</a>]

01:35:59   something that we make us all screaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   that we shouldn't have upgraded right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:02   because if your computer crashes every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:05   30 to 60 minutes like morning crashes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:08   kernel panics that's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:11   but I don't know I'd like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   Apple probably knows but the stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:14   is like certainly it feels shaky er then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:17   we wish the Mac operating system ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:19   would feel but early early releases of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:23   all major updates are like and certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:24   as we said in last show it doesn't live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   up to the billing as a stability release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:29   like as it was pitched but it's hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:32   me to gauge exactly how dire it is and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:34   still remember the bad old days of 10 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:37   0 and even 10 6 zero and the zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:39   releases back in the old days we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:41   we're just so much worse like like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:44   may we'll make you computer unusable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46   mark goes right in that they didn't push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:47   though so they didn't automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:48   download those and throw things in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:49   face to tell you to upgrade like no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   even knew leopard was out until most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   us had suffered through 10 5 0 10 5 one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   and 10 5 2 so it's a different world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:59   yeah tell us about your iPhone John we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:03   have time but I guess we do my iPhone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   full what is that so wait what size did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:08   you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:08   I didn't here's the thing when here we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:12   go we've all seen the Google ads where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14   they they're like part of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:15   advertising campaign is they show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:16   that little dialogue that says like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:18   never see this again and it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:20   iOS style it comes up and says like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   whatever says your iPhone is full or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:23   you're out of storage and remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:25   exact wording but that's that's been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:26   ad campaigns for Android devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   specifically for Google Android devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   I think for a while now and I had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:33   seen that and so when it appeared my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:35   first question it was how big is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:38   phone because I'd forgotten I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:39   iPhone 7 I bought it a long time ago I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   don't remember what size I got I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:43   surprised to learn that I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45   1:28 which I normally don't do like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:48   normally get the smaller size I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:49   oh I don't have that much stuff on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:50   and it's not a big deal I used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:52   that you know back back in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:56   when the cameras on phones and iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   Touches really sucked the biggest thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5878">TS</a>]

01:38:00   on your phone or iPod Touch which I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:03   saying because that's what I had at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:04   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:04   where was your music and I was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:07   I'm not gonna put my home music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:08   collection on there I'll just put my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:09   three star plus playlist on there which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:12   is like the songs that I like from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:13   music collection essentially I'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:15   put them in there and that's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:16   big and that's the biggest thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:17   gonna be on my phone and my music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   collection doesn't grow that much so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:20   can go I need to do is get a phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:22   iPod Touch did fits my music collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:24   I'll be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:25   but now the cameras on phones and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   iPod Touches are super awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:29   and we all take lots of pictures with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:31   and the pictures are big and I filled my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:34   128 gig phone with yes my music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:37   collection which doesn't get that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:38   bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:38   very often but with photos I filled it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:42   with photos so you know you go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   the dialog box offices go to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:45   storage you look at what's taken up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:46   this room and you're like guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:47   photos and then second place music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:50   then third place everything else right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:52   so now I'm in this situation and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54   like I still has that game hey it's Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:56   yeah but if your phone fills up like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:58   could fix that right it's pretty easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:00   fix and to its credit iOS has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:02   pretty nice storage management screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04   where it will suggest a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:06   things you can do to get space back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:07   it will tell you exactly how much space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:09   you'll get back in priority order the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5949">TS</a>]

01:39:10   biggest things first you can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13   thing where you let the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:14   offload apps that you don't use and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   tells you what the consequences of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:17   are and it tells you how much space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:18   they'll stay you can get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   attachments on messages and it tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:21   how much space you'll save you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:23   delete old messages all over than a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:24   and it tells you how much space that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:25   will save but all sorts of stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:26   that I was really impressed with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:28   see that screen which I'd never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:30   before my problem was I didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:33   do any of those things what I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:35   happen was iCloud forward library to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:37   I am now going to eject photos that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:40   haven't looked at in a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:42   save only the tiniest of thumbnails for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   them and I'm gonna do that across your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:45   entire photo library shrinking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:47   dramatically and I should have done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:49   17 hours ago when I saw you were running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:52   out of room on your phone but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:53   instead I waited if you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:54   completely fill up and stopped you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:55   the middle filling a video of your cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:57   dog and popped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5997">TS</a>]

01:39:58   literally in the middle of filming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00   video of my cute dog I'm pop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:01   dialogue that says your phone is full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:02   like well make it unfold like the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:05   panel pops in my storage on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:07   get rid of photos that I haven't looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:09   out like I have thousands of photos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:11   I have never looked at on my phone get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:13   them off my phone that's the whole point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:15   of optimized storage right and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17   people have had the same frustration on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:18   their Mac they're like they set their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:20   Mac top to my storage and the max disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:22   fills up and they're like come on photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:24   optimized like the whole point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:26   they're stored in the cloud I don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   the full res ones here download them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:31   demand get the full res ones off of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:33   system so I didn't know what to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6033">TS</a>]

01:40:35   I'm like I guess I'll try to leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:37   some big apps I guess I'll find elite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:39   GarageBand that I never used cuz it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:40   like six hundred Meg's or whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:42   know like I deleted some stuff thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:45   maybe it's just a lag maybe you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:48   the the photos thing will just takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49   little while to catch up and it'll flush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   stuff out but sure enough like a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:53   hours later phone's full again I deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:56   some more stuff next day phone photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57   yeah and like every time I try to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6057">TS</a>]

01:40:58   picture it would happen literally when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   I'm taking pictures in videos just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:01   on the ads because that's when like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   thing would fill up or hit some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   threshold so I was like oh you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:08   have no choice I have to basically turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:10   off iCloud photo library to convince it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:13   to delete these photos off my Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:14   because it's just not doing it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:16   turned off iCloud photo library it said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:18   do you want to keep these photos in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:20   Mac if you want to trash them I said go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:21   ahead and trash them because they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:23   safe in the cloud they're all safe on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:25   Mac like you know there are many million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:27   different places I don't need them to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:28   on my phone I never look at them on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:29   phone anyway and by the way remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:32   the photo is on my photo library is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:35   the family photo library it's just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:36   photos the family photo the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:38   belongs to my wife so I'm only talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:40   about a tiny subset of the vast amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:43   of photos I have and I import all of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:45   photos into the family photo library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   like Mac painfully manually there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:49   good way to do this so I wasn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:53   worried about the data right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   it's not it's not the real photos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:57   they're all NATO thing so I told it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:58   delete my photo library and and I click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:02   delete and it went through and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:03   like it's removing space and I'm seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   space come back I got many many gigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07   free I'm like I gotta solve this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:10   and then I found myself in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:12   managed storage screen I guess I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:13   just trying to look up at the progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:14   or whatever and I noticed in the managed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:16   storage screen it said here's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:19   things you can do to save space and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   of the top items was you should enable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:24   cut photo library cuz that'll save you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:25   fifty days I was like what icon photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:31   library saved me 50 gigs is it thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6151">TS</a>]

01:42:34   well I see on your phone you've got gigs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:36   and gigs of photos but if you enable I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:39   cut photo library I can upload all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:41   to the cloud and then dump the full res [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   versions leaving only the thumbnail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:44   saving you 50 gigs like that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:47   way I could reason about that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:48   that's how it was telling me you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:49   think was save space and I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:50   look let me tell you I had it enabled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:53   and that's when my phone filled and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:54   didn't seem like it's a new space but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:55   anyway because because it offered that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:58   to me I said alright I'll take that bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   phone you're beating me up about setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:07   my clock back these photos are all safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:12   and sound somewhere else like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:14   not the real family photo library like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6194">TS</a>]

01:43:16   this is just me versus the phone to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:17   like you know if you're gonna tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:19   that I'm gonna say 50 geeks but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:21   unable it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:22   and so I enabled it and I think what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:24   did was I enable it so quickly after I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:26   had disabled that it hadn't deleted all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:28   the photos on my phone it just deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:30   many many gigs of them and and I rien [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:33   abled it and it went through this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:35   that said you know I'm uploading photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:37   and I was like oh no is it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:38   uploading like duplicates of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:40   photos Shirley knows that that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:41   already uploaded all these like and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   did it figured it out it said it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   I gotta upload like 9,000 photos and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:47   was like up I'm all done because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6227">TS</a>]

01:43:49   know all those tourists were already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:50   uploaded so it didn't actually reload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   them no duplicates and then it just sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   there in a steady state so I'm like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   this this technique worked disabled I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   got a photo library tell it to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:00   wait a short time for it delete several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   gigs then re-enable it let it figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:05   that everything that's on the phone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:06   already been uploaded and let it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07   say but nothing for me to do I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:08   everything's fine on this phone so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6248">TS</a>]

01:44:12   is my update on my my full phone I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:14   sure if I deal with it and dealt with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:16   in the right way I'm not sure what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18   right way really would be and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:22   to go through the things that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:23   want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:23   I didn't want to delete message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:25   attachments just because I'm stubborn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:26   and I'm wearing that stupid iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:27   message sync thing to happen so that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:30   my all my messages would be in the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:32   and I could delete them locally like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:33   didn't want you know people semi cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6273">TS</a>]

01:44:34   videos I don't want to save them to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:36   video library I don't want them to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:38   gone right I didn't want to lead a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:40   of applications especially ones that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:41   might not be able to redownload from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:42   store all those fewer of them these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:44   because a 64-bit thing that kills a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:47   of my cool 32-bit apps all right be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:49   flight-control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:50   yeah I didn't want to delete any big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6290">TS</a>]

01:44:54   games and stuff that I play cuz that may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:57   not play them that often but I do want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:58   to play them I like the fact that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6298">TS</a>]

01:44:59   there and I can just launch it and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:01   with it I do mind delete any of my music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:04   because I already had a minimal set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:05   my music on there and I didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:07   stream music like it was just another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:08   option that I could have done but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:10   the fact that music is on there what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:12   did want to happen was for the photos to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:13   flush out so anyway I took the phone up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:15   on its BET and it sure didn't save me 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:17   gigs but my phone is no longer full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:20   again and I guess what this means is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:21   next time I get a phone I'll be sure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:23   get the 256 or whatever the biggest size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:24   they offer is because now apparently one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:26   of those people who fills this phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:28   will say a useful tip that I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6328">TS</a>]

01:45:30   somebody told me somewhere or I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6330">TS</a>]

01:45:32   somewhere I said I got my laptop last is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6332">TS</a>]

01:45:35   you know I Wes you're screwed you're up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:38   to the you know the iCloud gods to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:40   what they need to do with optimizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:41   storage which they seem to not do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:42   reliably but on the Mac I strongly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:47   recommend this this tactic where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:49   know if you're gonna have like your main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:51   Mac download all the files and download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6351">TS</a>]

01:45:52   originals fine do it normally if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6352">TS</a>]

01:45:55   gonna use iCloud photo library and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6355">TS</a>]

01:45:57   it optimize storage on a Mac if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6357">TS</a>]

01:46:00   an idea of how much disk space you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:02   that to use at most create a sparse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:05   bundle disk image and locate your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:08   library on that and you can just have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:11   automatically on item in your logon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:13   items and so I have a disk image called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:16   photos that I set as a maximum size of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:18   think it was like 20 gigs that Ike that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:20   I chose or something like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:22   what I'm doing on my on my on my new old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6382">TS</a>]

01:46:23   laptop and it is wonderful because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:27   filled that up maybe 2/3 of the way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6387">TS</a>]

01:46:30   then just stopped and so now I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:33   control exactly how much disk space it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:36   uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:37   and it will never exceed the limit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6397">TS</a>]

01:46:40   this sparse bundle it's glorious I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6400">TS</a>]

01:46:44   know why this isn't a setting they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46   should just have a setting you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:48   can you imagine some other way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:49   implement that feature that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6409">TS</a>]

01:46:50   involve this image imagine that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:51   just yeah maybe an action a storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6411">TS</a>]

01:46:54   limit setting that would be amazing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:57   they don't have that so in the absence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6417">TS</a>]

01:46:59   of them being willing to add such an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:01   incredible useful obvious setting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6421">TS</a>]

01:47:03   everyone needs on a laptop because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:04   SSDs are expensive and small make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:06   sparse to a sparse bundle disk image in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:08   Disk Utility and you can locate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10   photo library on that add it as a log [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:12   and item and it automatically mounts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:13   everything just works except you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:16   defined limit to how big your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:17   library can be and it will stay under it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19   it is wonderful I was gonna make fun of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:21   the inefficiency of solution because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:23   you go like another layer of pseudo file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:25   system that all your i/o is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:26   through which you know can't can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   efficient but I do something even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:30   for Time Machine Network Time Machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:32   backups and I probably should be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:34   is I think what both of you use as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6454">TS</a>]

01:47:36   quotas on Synology though you set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:38   quotas per user it works great yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6458">TS</a>]

01:47:40   think actually do have the quota set but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6460">TS</a>]

01:47:42   I think I'm slightly over provisioned in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6462">TS</a>]

01:47:44   typical fashion so usually I just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6464">TS</a>]

01:47:48   start to fill up I use the TM util thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:50   to delete historic backups because at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:51   least at least in the case of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:52   between there is a physical way for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6472">TS</a>]

01:47:54   to do what the system should be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6474">TS</a>]

01:47:55   anyway we're just cleaning up old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6475">TS</a>]

01:47:56   backups but sometimes it gets cranky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:58   when you get close to too much space so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00   I have on my network time machine volume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:03   a non sparse disk image as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:06   space-filling placeholder like like many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6486">TS</a>]

01:48:10   gigs super full and a time machine means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:18   like too much need scratch space to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:20   it out of it's fine guess what I take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6500">TS</a>]

01:48:22   the space filler chuck in the trash and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:23   you know it delete it resolved a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:26   machine thing and put back the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:28   filler which is you know it's disgusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6508">TS</a>]

01:48:30   it reminds me of that awesome story I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6510">TS</a>]

01:48:32   hope it's not a park row because all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:34   favorite internet stories of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:37   experience game developer who has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:39   mandate to fit all some I figure I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:42   gonna messing up is easy else but to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6522">TS</a>]

01:48:43   all the assets for this game in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6523">TS</a>]

01:48:44   certain amount of memory and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:46   getting to be crunch time and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6526">TS</a>]

01:48:47   to ship and they're like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6527">TS</a>]

01:48:50   200k is the old days of PC gaming like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6530">TS</a>]

01:48:53   200k over their RAM limit and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6533">TS</a>]

01:48:55   figure out how to ring any more RAM out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:56   and at the beginning of project he'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:58   made a 2 mega by Ram buffer as a static [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:00   variable and then some C file they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6540">TS</a>]

01:49:02   comments that line out and says done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6542">TS</a>]

01:49:03   ship it anyway my thing is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6543">TS</a>]

01:49:07   much worse than that and not clever at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:08   all but it is it is a thing that I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10   and it has actually come in handy I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:12   to make so much fun of you John but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6552">TS</a>]

01:49:14   is actually very very clever it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:16   it's stupid I use quotas but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:17   saying it's I mean is that that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:20   worse than my crazy sparse bundle heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22   yeah well you know the sparse bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:24   like this first of all thing just makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:27   me so angry about how the automat these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:29   automated systems like for version 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6569">TS</a>]

01:49:30   fine but this is obviously a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:32   people want they want more control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:34   how much space your thing is taking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:35   if the optimize saying really worked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:37   way it was supposed to where you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:38   have to worry about will take care of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:39   no one would complain like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:42   great goal but many years later on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:44   their systems they're sort of optimized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:46   storage thing does not work the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:48   people expect like theirs it lets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:50   fill up it doesn't catch it before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6590">TS</a>]

01:49:52   fills up in scenarios where you're it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:54   not like I'm not like I'm flooding I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:55   mean I suppose video I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:57   flooding the phone with lots of data but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   like it's not unforeseen Bowl by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:01   system that we're getting close to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6601">TS</a>]

01:50:03   disk storage limit and when it does hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6603">TS</a>]

01:50:05   the limit it seems like no part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:07   system scrambles to get your space back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6607">TS</a>]

01:50:09   there like yeah you've hit your limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:10   now we're not gonna do anything about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6610">TS</a>]

01:50:12   like maybe maybe that Dean will wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6612">TS</a>]

01:50:14   and consider thinning some but maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6614">TS</a>]

01:50:17   won't like we're not in a hurry is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:19   some urgency about this perhaps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:21   should go to the Settings app on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:22   manage storage screen so you can clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6622">TS</a>]

01:50:23   that Red Badge will make it makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6623">TS</a>]

01:50:25   look at that by the way it makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:26   look at that managed storage screen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6626">TS</a>]

01:50:28   clear that badge every time it tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6628">TS</a>]

01:50:29   that message I know that because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:31   would tell me that message a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:32   there's no way to get rid of it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:34   you go into that screen and let it grind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:35   away and say here's all the things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6635">TS</a>]

01:50:37   can do to save space like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:38   you can do to save space get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6638">TS</a>]

01:50:40   innocent photos goodness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:42   thanks for sponsors this week fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6642">TS</a>]

01:50:44   aftershocks and Linode and we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:46   you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:50   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:53   mean to begin cuz it was accidental oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:57   it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6657">TS</a>]

01:51:01   Johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:04   let him cuz it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:09   accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:13   notes at a CAS pyl ISS so that's Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6673">TS</a>]

01:51:26   less ma RC o AR m auntie Marco Arment SI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6686">TS</a>]

01:51:33   r AC Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:41   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6701">TS</a>]

01:51:50   how's the weather up there Marco cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6710">TS</a>]

01:51:53   rainy how's the forecast though oh there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6713">TS</a>]

01:52:00   we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:02   it's overcast nicely done nicely done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:06   we'll be here all week kids anyway oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:08   wow so you've released you've released a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:11   madcap congratulations yeah my second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:13   Mac up don't forget quitter that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6733">TS</a>]

01:52:17   day when I was like command spacing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:19   I think I mistyped and quitter came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:21   I'm like oh yeah I remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:22   yeah so I released for cast it's a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6742">TS</a>]

01:52:24   app it's for producing your own podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6744">TS</a>]

01:52:27   it is an mp3 encoder and chapter tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6747">TS</a>]

01:52:29   and lets you input some of the mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:32   metadata right in the app and this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:35   mention this one on this show a number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6755">TS</a>]

01:52:38   of times over the last two years or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6758">TS</a>]

01:52:41   that I've been developing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:42   it is a parallelized version of the lame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6762">TS</a>]

01:52:45   mp3 encoder under the hood the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6765">TS</a>]

01:52:49   parallelization is actually done fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6769">TS</a>]

01:52:51   boringly it's an entirely outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:53   lame the lame is a terrible name that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6773">TS</a>]

01:52:56   kind of like an ableist problem name now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6776">TS</a>]

01:52:58   but this was named a very long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6778">TS</a>]

01:53:00   before we were as aware of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:02   and I didn't name it but it happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6782">TS</a>]

01:53:04   be the best mp3 encoder so I apologize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6784">TS</a>]

01:53:06   for the terrible name but it is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6786">TS</a>]

01:53:07   the lame mp3 encoder it is the pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6787">TS</a>]

01:53:10   much the only way you can encode an mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6790">TS</a>]

01:53:15   legally today without using software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:18   that had a pre-existing deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6798">TS</a>]

01:53:20   front Hoffer Institute that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6800">TS</a>]

01:53:22   creator of the mp3 originally back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6802">TS</a>]

01:53:25   like the late 80s and it was them whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6805">TS</a>]

01:53:28   patents expired this past spring when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6808">TS</a>]

01:53:30   their patents expired they stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6810">TS</a>]

01:53:32   licensing their encoder at any price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6812">TS</a>]

01:53:35   believe me I tried so the only way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6815">TS</a>]

01:53:37   encode mp3 is legally today if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6817">TS</a>]

01:53:39   already have a copy or a license of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:41   lame mp3 encoder like Apple does with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6821">TS</a>]

01:53:43   the iTunes and logic is to use the lame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6823">TS</a>]

01:53:47   open source project so anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6827">TS</a>]

01:53:50   what forecasts does and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:53   parallelization happens outside of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6833">TS</a>]

01:53:54   I basically split the file into chunks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:57   send them each to a copy of the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6837">TS</a>]

01:54:00   standard live mp3 lame that comes with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6840">TS</a>]

01:54:02   the source distribution from homebrew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6842">TS</a>]

01:54:04   rejoin those chunks after they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6844">TS</a>]

01:54:06   encoded into one could you can mp3 file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:09   because as I mentioned earlier in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:10   show during the question about dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6850">TS</a>]

01:54:12   ad insertion mp3 file format is easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6852">TS</a>]

01:54:15   spliced and easily rejoined and hacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:18   up like that without causing too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6858">TS</a>]

01:54:19   problems as long as you're a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6859">TS</a>]

01:54:20   careful so that's what it does and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:25   optimized for the workflow that me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6865">TS</a>]

01:54:29   some of my podcasts or friends have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6869">TS</a>]

01:54:32   which is we create mp3 chapters as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6872">TS</a>]

01:54:37   markers in Logic Pro you can also do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6877">TS</a>]

01:54:40   this from Adobe Audition and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:42   think there's a good way to do it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6882">TS</a>]

01:54:44   audacity unfortunately I know people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6884">TS</a>]

01:54:46   trying I'm not yet aware of a way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6886">TS</a>]

01:54:48   it but anything that can export markers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:52   as metadata in a wav file forecasts will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6892">TS</a>]

01:54:56   try to import that as chapters you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6896">TS</a>]

01:54:59   also create them manually but I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6899">TS</a>]

01:55:00   recommend that because the interface for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:02   doing so is awful because I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:03   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6903">TS</a>]

01:55:05   also it's all a tableview with cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6905">TS</a>]

01:55:08   bindings and that makes a bunch of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6908">TS</a>]

01:55:11   little behaviors and inconsistencies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:13   bugs that I need to get rid of by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6913">TS</a>]

01:55:14   dumping cocoa bindings but that's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6914">TS</a>]

01:55:16   of work and I haven't gotten there yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6916">TS</a>]

01:55:17   anyway so I released this app and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6917">TS</a>]

01:55:21   released it for free for lots of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:22   that I don't talk about if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6922">TS</a>]

01:55:24   if you care I've talked a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6924">TS</a>]

01:55:26   about some of the stuff went under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:27   radar but I don't know what do you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6927">TS</a>]

01:55:29   want to know where should I start here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:31   so what was the motivation it was simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6931">TS</a>]

01:55:34   just efficiency yeah pretty much it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6934">TS</a>]

01:55:36   you know III wanted first of all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6936">TS</a>]

01:55:40   I was encoding this show before was by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6940">TS</a>]

01:55:43   using the command line version of lame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6943">TS</a>]

01:55:45   and I was doing that you know I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:49   using the built-in mp3 encoder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:50   logical because the front offer encoder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6950">TS</a>]

01:55:51   which is actually a little bit better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6951">TS</a>]

01:55:53   quality for low bit rate speech and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:56   a little bit faster but I wasn't using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6956">TS</a>]

01:55:58   that because I wanted as part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6958">TS</a>]

01:56:01   workflow to automate things like putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6961">TS</a>]

01:56:03   in the right artwork for the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:05   putting in the right podcast title and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6965">TS</a>]

01:56:08   episode number and everything so I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6968">TS</a>]

01:56:09   like some shell screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6969">TS</a>]

01:56:11   to do that before and I would shell out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6971">TS</a>]

01:56:13   to the lame mp3 encoder on the command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:15   line and encoding an episode of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6975">TS</a>]

01:56:18   would take like four or five minutes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:19   was and you know that's to an impatient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6979">TS</a>]

01:56:22   programmer that's just death like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6982">TS</a>]

01:56:24   have to sit there and wait and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6984">TS</a>]

01:56:25   time like if I wanted to change the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6985">TS</a>]

01:56:28   WestEd then wait another five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6988">TS</a>]

01:56:30   for to re-encode and it was a pain so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:32   and I've always loved hacking audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6992">TS</a>]

01:56:35   stuff and as you can tell from some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6995">TS</a>]

01:56:37   my career choices always loved it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6997">TS</a>]

01:56:39   loved dealing with audio and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:41   decided you know what I there has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:44   a way to make this parallel I have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7004">TS</a>]

01:56:47   these cores sitting around doing nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7007">TS</a>]

01:56:48   on my computer while one core works its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:51   butt off for five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7011">TS</a>]

01:56:53   this is incredibly offensive to me okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7013">TS</a>]

01:56:55   let me let me figure out a way to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7015">TS</a>]

01:56:58   this and in addition I realize like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7018">TS</a>]

01:57:01   control like a GUI version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7021">TS</a>]

01:57:03   encoder I can save myself some time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7023">TS</a>]

01:57:06   other ways for instance we host this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7026">TS</a>]

01:57:08   podcast on Squarespace but we host the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7028">TS</a>]

01:57:10   website and the feed on Squarespace the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7030">TS</a>]

01:57:12   files are hosted libsyn and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7032">TS</a>]

01:57:14   setup I recommend by the way but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7034">TS</a>]

01:57:16   the Squarespace requires that you paste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7036">TS</a>]

01:57:19   in the file size and the duration of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7039">TS</a>]

01:57:24   podcast file that you're hosting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7044">TS</a>]

01:57:26   elsewhere it doesn't just fetch that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7046">TS</a>]

01:57:28   requires that you paste it and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7048">TS</a>]

01:57:30   figured like oh if I could have a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7050">TS</a>]

01:57:31   that like helps me easily copy those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7051">TS</a>]

01:57:33   things to the clipboard I can save a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:34   steps there if I have a tool that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7054">TS</a>]

01:57:36   maybe pre-fill certain things based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7056">TS</a>]

01:57:39   what I did last for that same podcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7059">TS</a>]

01:57:41   can save some time there I also wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7061">TS</a>]

01:57:44   to get involved with chapter my show our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7064">TS</a>]

01:57:48   show and you know the Germans kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7068">TS</a>]

01:57:50   convinced me to do it the Germans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7070">TS</a>]

01:57:51   frustratedly right a lot of the time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7071">TS</a>]

01:57:55   man I love the Germans anyway so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7075">TS</a>]

01:57:58   convinced they convinced us all overtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7078">TS</a>]

01:57:59   they wore us down and convinced us all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7079">TS</a>]

01:58:01   that we should probably have chapters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:03   our show and wanted to do that and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7083">TS</a>]

01:58:05   was not happy with the state of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7085">TS</a>]

01:58:06   tools to do that two years ago they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:08   were pretty minimal and and almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7088">TS</a>]

01:58:10   non-existent and so I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7090">TS</a>]

01:58:12   basically solve all these problems at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:14   once and so I did I made an app that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7094">TS</a>]

01:58:16   basically my ideal app for podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7096">TS</a>]

01:58:20   encoding and post-production work I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7100">TS</a>]

01:58:22   basically made it for myself too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7102">TS</a>]

01:58:25   save myself time and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7105">TS</a>]

01:58:26   dramatically so it saves me tons of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7106">TS</a>]

01:58:28   every week now that I produce multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7108">TS</a>]

01:58:30   shows and even even if I just produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7110">TS</a>]

01:58:33   this one it would still be worth doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7113">TS</a>]

01:58:34   so and I had a private beta with many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7114">TS</a>]

01:58:38   our podcasting friends you know probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7118">TS</a>]

01:58:41   most notably that the people are real a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7121">TS</a>]

01:58:43   you know Mike Steven Jason snow they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7123">TS</a>]

01:58:46   were wonderful beta testers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7126">TS</a>]

01:58:48   uncovered lots of little bugs over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7128">TS</a>]

01:58:50   years and we've hopefully fixed them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7130">TS</a>]

01:58:53   and here we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7133">TS</a>]

01:58:55   so why free and I know you talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7135">TS</a>]

01:58:58   this on under the radar but what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7138">TS</a>]

01:59:00   kind of short short version the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7140">TS</a>]

01:59:02   reason is that my expected number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7142">TS</a>]

01:59:06   paid customers for this like if I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7146">TS</a>]

01:59:08   have charged money for this the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7148">TS</a>]

01:59:11   total number of paid customers I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7151">TS</a>]

01:59:13   expect to get is maybe a hundred like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7153">TS</a>]

01:59:16   there aren't that many podcast producers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7156">TS</a>]

01:59:18   relative to other professions among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7158">TS</a>]

01:59:20   podcast producers there aren't that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7160">TS</a>]

01:59:23   of them who are willing to try some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7163">TS</a>]

01:59:26   random tool like this from me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:28   because the volume would be so low I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7168">TS</a>]

01:59:31   would have to price it at like 50 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7171">TS</a>]

01:59:33   or so or more to make it worthwhile and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7173">TS</a>]

01:59:36   I just figured the market would be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7176">TS</a>]

01:59:39   small that you know if there was a paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7179">TS</a>]

01:59:42   app the market would be so small that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7182">TS</a>]

01:59:44   the total amount of money I would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7184">TS</a>]

01:59:46   from this is you know not that great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7186">TS</a>]

01:59:50   the cost of supporting an app that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7190">TS</a>]

01:59:53   paid to that level is very high like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7193">TS</a>]

01:59:56   someone pays 50 bucks for an app or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSeqmco/7196">TS</a>]