The Incomparable

143: The Best "Star Wars" Movie In Years


00:00:00   the incomparable number 143 2 20 30 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back to be uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:13   I'm your host Jason smell and we are [TS]

00:00:14   here tonight to talk about JJ Abrams [TS]

00:00:18   revisiting rebooting a star trek most [TS]

00:00:23   specifically the new film star trek into [TS]

00:00:26   darkness but i think we could also talk [TS]

00:00:28   in general about the the previous movie [TS]

00:00:30   too because that predates this podcast [TS]

00:00:33   the 2009 edition of Star Trek joining me [TS]

00:00:37   to discuss the the new star trek movies [TS]

00:00:41   are a fine collection of folks dad [TS]

00:00:45   morons here is always hide am I Jason to [TS]

00:00:48   pleasure to have beamed in for this [TS]

00:00:49   occasion thank you more of a deep space [TS]

00:00:51   nine guy but it's nice of you two to [TS]

00:00:53   take got baptized see a little bit of [TS]

00:00:55   everything alright fair enough you you [TS]

00:00:58   know what is it a big star Wars fan like [TS]

00:01:00   Dan but he's on this podcast it's john [TS]

00:01:02   siracusa hi John [TS]

00:01:03   yeah I missed the the wrath of khan [TS]

00:01:05   episode which was the one you know [TS]

00:01:07   classic Star Trek movie that I would [TS]

00:01:10   possibly want to be on well for [TS]

00:01:12   Charlie's want to do I there we have [TS]

00:01:14   done that one yeah [TS]

00:01:16   so here i am also here my-my go to Star [TS]

00:01:20   Trek expert Scott multi-ply Scott oh I'm [TS]

00:01:25   excited to talk about Star Trek for [TS]

00:01:26   president and also a david lawrence here [TS]

00:01:31   hi David hello I guess I why don't we [TS]

00:01:34   start by by going back to 2009 and [TS]

00:01:36   talking about the original JJ Abrams [TS]

00:01:38   reboot movie a little bit you know i [TS]

00:01:42   liked it i saw it twice in the theater I [TS]

00:01:44   have the DVD or blu-ray i watched a [TS]

00:01:46   bunch of times you know it's certainly [TS]

00:01:49   not without its flaws but you know what [TS]

00:01:52   I really liked about it was going back [TS]

00:01:54   to the original which is obviously it's [TS]

00:01:55   one of the most influential you know TV [TS]

00:01:57   shows of my life I can't remember not [TS]

00:01:59   watching the original Star Trek have [TS]

00:02:01   seen those episodes as detailed in a [TS]

00:02:03   couple previous episodes the [TS]

00:02:05   incomparable so many times and I thought [TS]

00:02:08   they did a really good job of taking [TS]

00:02:09   this those classic characters and this [TS]

00:02:12   franchise that was kind of on its last [TS]

00:02:14   legs and and revitalizing it making it a [TS]

00:02:17   modern enjoyable film that you know [TS]

00:02:22   audiences really liked and and i enjoyed [TS]

00:02:24   a lot even though it does have some some [TS]

00:02:26   things that bug me about it in young [TS]

00:02:28   talents I i really love it i'm just kind [TS]

00:02:30   of interested before we get started on [TS]

00:02:33   the new movie to go around and get your [TS]

00:02:35   guys take on on that the cliff face as [TS]

00:02:38   if there were remember back to episode- [TS]

00:02:40   60 of the uncomfortable when we talk [TS]

00:02:43   about it in 2009 I remember it like this [TS]

00:02:48   now there's no flash back we went on the [TS]

00:02:49   air then hmm so uh so we will start with [TS]

00:02:53   Scott since he's the resident star trek [TS]

00:02:55   expert you know give a little overview [TS]

00:02:57   of your thoughts of the 2009 movie [TS]

00:02:59   well III went to it much like I imagined [TS]

00:03:04   Dan and John went into the Phantom [TS]

00:03:07   Menace except when i left my soul was [TS]

00:03:11   not crushed [TS]

00:03:12   wow I i was happy try that knife a [TS]

00:03:15   little bit more scared [TS]

00:03:16   sorry because you have no soul true i [TS]

00:03:20   had removed before i went to see the [TS]

00:03:21   movie I was quite happy that the the [TS]

00:03:23   reboot i thought was faithful at least [TS]

00:03:26   in tone to star trek i mean i have I i [TS]

00:03:29   wonder if they really had to blow up [TS]

00:03:31   Vulcan but others and that does anybody [TS]

00:03:35   really have to do anything that's really [TS]

00:03:37   the whole coincidence if you know Spock [TS]

00:03:39   is just hanging out in an ice cave and [TS]

00:03:42   Kirk just happens to land on that planet [TS]

00:03:44   and they happen to run into each other [TS]

00:03:46   and then they happen to see Vulcan get [TS]

00:03:49   destroyed its kind of stretching it but [TS]

00:03:52   overall thumbs up there enough John [TS]

00:03:56   yeah I didn't I have a false memory of [TS]

00:03:59   us doing a podcast about average [TS]

00:04:01   I think you would have yeah because I [TS]

00:04:04   and I was I was about to say remember we [TS]

00:04:06   when we talk about that like when i [TS]

00:04:08   first watched the movie I must talk [TS]

00:04:09   about something you guys about it in [TS]

00:04:10   person [TS]

00:04:11   I remember complaining about like the [TS]

00:04:15   the silly scenes where Kirk's running [TS]

00:04:17   around with his hand all puffy and some [TS]

00:04:19   of it weird tone tonal shifts in the [TS]

00:04:21   middle and like I had complaints and I [TS]

00:04:24   was like it was good I liked it but you [TS]

00:04:26   know but I wish they hadn't like after I [TS]

00:04:28   saw the theater like that was fun but [TS]

00:04:29   like the bad parts are stuck in my craw [TS]

00:04:32   and i recently rewatched it with my son [TS]

00:04:36   which will be a thing later when we talk [TS]

00:04:37   about this movie and I liked it way more [TS]

00:04:41   the on you know I guess is probably my [TS]

00:04:44   third of you because i think i saw it [TS]

00:04:45   some other way i like the way more [TS]

00:04:47   seeing it you know [TS]

00:04:47   recently many years after its release [TS]

00:04:49   because i was able to like the idea [TS]

00:04:52   silly parts the annoying parts didn't [TS]

00:04:55   bother me as much and I was just able to [TS]

00:04:57   appreciate the things I really did like [TS]

00:04:59   about the big dramatic beginning the [TS]

00:05:01   Cecilia over-the-top introduction of [TS]

00:05:03   child Kirk like some of it just like [TS]

00:05:05   went around the bend you know that [TS]

00:05:07   slingshot around the Sun so to speak [TS]

00:05:09   sure and and managed to come out the [TS]

00:05:11   other side and I was just able to enjoy [TS]

00:05:13   it as good goofy fun and enjoy the space [TS]

00:05:15   battle things and just like and maybe [TS]

00:05:18   it's because I i watch it again leading [TS]

00:05:20   up to knowing I was going to see the new [TS]

00:05:22   one because I just wanted to get back [TS]

00:05:24   into that mindset and seeing the JJ [TS]

00:05:27   Abrams style star trek lens flares and [TS]

00:05:30   all like it there's a particular visual [TS]

00:05:32   and kinetic style to the way he's chosen [TS]

00:05:34   to do Star Trek that I think is [TS]

00:05:36   different than the least the other [TS]

00:05:37   property jayven properties that I've [TS]

00:05:39   seen from him i was on board with that [TS]

00:05:41   and watching it again [TS]

00:05:43   I liked it more and I was excited to see [TS]

00:05:45   the next movie alright which you did but [TS]

00:05:47   we'll get to that David what about you [TS]

00:05:50   well you know I saw it you're well I saw [TS]

00:05:52   all the spoilers for it beforehand [TS]

00:05:55   even though it hadn't come out you know [TS]

00:05:56   there's it's gonna be well I mean you [TS]

00:05:59   know Spock is going to be back and it's [TS]

00:06:02   gonna be a diverging timeline and then [TS]

00:06:04   they delayed the movie for a couple [TS]

00:06:05   months so I had all that time to be [TS]

00:06:08   sitting there going to virgin timeline [TS]

00:06:10   to god no and I got all that anger out [TS]

00:06:14   is nothing sacred exactly is the [TS]

00:06:17   continuity built up like little layers [TS]

00:06:19   of a coral reef over 40 years that it [TS]

00:06:22   doesn't really interest anybody but [TS]

00:06:23   Phil's lots of reference material sacred [TS]

00:06:26   exactly maybe tipping my hand here a [TS]

00:06:28   little bit okay go out and it is secret [TS]

00:06:31   it well yeah [TS]

00:06:33   oh yes so I just sort of I expiated all [TS]

00:06:36   of that before i went to see the movie [TS]

00:06:37   and so as soon as it came out as you [TS]

00:06:39   know the midnight sneak preview [TS]

00:06:41   alright I'm there [TS]

00:06:42   and I didn't mind and it kept going and [TS]

00:06:47   i still didn't mind and by the end of [TS]

00:06:50   the movie [TS]

00:06:51   yeah i had had issues with it but I just [TS]

00:06:55   enjoyed the cast and the chemistry so [TS]

00:06:57   much and as soon as the orchestral [TS]

00:07:01   version or the full orchestra playing [TS]

00:07:02   the classic theme and the planets [TS]

00:07:05   zooming up at you i had the biggest [TS]

00:07:07   stupid smile on my face and I think I [TS]

00:07:09   had it all the way home and I got home [TS]

00:07:11   and my wife looked at me and said good [TS]

00:07:13   as well [TS]

00:07:14   oh yeah yeah that was the best magic [TS]

00:07:18   trick that movie that theme at the end [TS]

00:07:20   because I held it the whole thing I just [TS]

00:07:21   put at the end and like this cheating is [TS]

00:07:24   cheating they're sending you out and [TS]

00:07:25   like you know they withheld it the whole [TS]

00:07:27   movie and they send you out on that note [TS]

00:07:29   and how can you not go to the theater [TS]

00:07:31   smiling at [TS]

00:07:31   oh yeah can't believe that in the entire [TS]

00:07:34   history of the star trek movie franchise [TS]

00:07:36   they never played the freaking theme [TS]

00:07:40   song thats true yes the Star Trek the [TS]

00:07:42   motion picture they use the theme song [TS]

00:07:44   that would eventually become the next [TS]

00:07:45   generation stamps on now they'll do the [TS]

00:07:46   do to do to do to do but they never [TS]

00:07:49   actually like played the original [TS]

00:07:51   exactly they never get it yet and and [TS]

00:07:56   that was that moment in that movie was [TS]

00:07:58   like oh my god I've just enjoyed this [TS]

00:08:00   entire moving and now and now this [TS]

00:08:02   yeah what more could you ask for you [TS]

00:08:05   know I was gonna say about the [TS]

00:08:06   continuity it's not as if like a man [TS]

00:08:07   comes to your house when you see the new [TS]

00:08:09   Star Trek and takes your dvds of the old [TS]

00:08:11   star trek and breaks them and set your [TS]

00:08:13   books on fire [TS]

00:08:14   a man came to my house and did that but [TS]

00:08:17   it wasn't connected [TS]

00:08:19   oh no that was me dab you snow snow [TS]

00:08:23   Simon Pegg did come to my house and burn [TS]

00:08:25   only Star Wars stuff after Finn panting [TS]

00:08:27   minutes can you blame him [TS]

00:08:30   references list my main problem with the [TS]

00:08:33   the star trek 2009 was that the villain [TS]

00:08:36   was not all that interesting to me [TS]

00:08:39   oh yes he had a cool ship but he was [TS]

00:08:41   just a pissed-off minor I was like a [TS]

00:08:43   yeah who cares and and it didn't you [TS]

00:08:45   know where was he for all of the years [TS]

00:08:47   between baby Jim Kirk and grownup Jim [TS]

00:08:50   Kirk it was bad [TS]

00:08:52   he's off doing stuff he was in a Klingon [TS]

00:08:54   prison but that was really boring so [TS]

00:08:56   they just cut that scene out the DVD but [TS]

00:08:59   you're right in fact that whole the [TS]

00:09:01   whole as clever as the diversion time [TS]

00:09:03   lineas and as wonderful as an opening [TS]

00:09:06   scene as the opening scene with the [TS]

00:09:08   Kelvin with Kirk's father sacrificing [TS]

00:09:11   himself [TS]

00:09:12   I and all of that is so great and yet [TS]

00:09:15   the mechanics of Nero and I actually [TS]

00:09:19   think the worst single thing in that [TS]

00:09:21   entire movie is the when Spock does his [TS]

00:09:24   lengthy monologue that doesn't make any [TS]

00:09:26   sense [TS]

00:09:28   yes where he says oh there was a black [TS]

00:09:30   hole then I had the red matter and that [TS]

00:09:32   there was no a star that threaten the [TS]

00:09:34   galaxy which doesn't make any sense and [TS]

00:09:36   it and it's just like we just needed [TS]

00:09:38   this to happen and I i read the in on [TS]

00:09:41   the commentary track on the blu-ray uh [TS]

00:09:42   they actually say that originally [TS]

00:09:44   Leonard Nimoy's voiceover was clear and [TS]

00:09:46   they made it all weird and distorted [TS]

00:09:48   looks like don't pay attention to what [TS]

00:09:50   he's saying it's just but whatever blah [TS]

00:09:52   and it's and it's the weakest thing in [TS]

00:09:54   the movie is actually this kind of like [TS]

00:09:56   the villain in the and the mechanism of [TS]

00:09:57   the plot its speaking of the last doctor [TS]

00:10:00   who episode and Clara Clara has a plot [TS]

00:10:03   device instead of a character like I [TS]

00:10:05   that's when you know you've been you're [TS]

00:10:07   naming all the things that I didn't like [TS]

00:10:08   about your first movie and starting to [TS]

00:10:10   make me not like it again because we're [TS]

00:10:11   going on that instead of the good parts [TS]

00:10:13   but I for you if you are if you were a [TS]

00:10:16   big star trek fan this thing that they [TS]

00:10:18   did with the thing going back in time [TS]

00:10:20   and creating a virgin diversion timeline [TS]

00:10:22   is perhaps the most respectful possible [TS]

00:10:25   way you can reboot the franchise because [TS]

00:10:26   you are you are saying we are not going [TS]

00:10:28   to touch like what really quote-unquote [TS]

00:10:30   really happened like that will always be [TS]

00:10:32   there we're not pretending it didn't [TS]

00:10:34   happen just telling saying it's not even [TS]

00:10:36   really a reboot it's a mere continuation [TS]

00:10:38   and and in that respect Nero is a plot [TS]

00:10:41   device whose purposes to allow us to [TS]

00:10:44   have a new franchise to kiss to make [TS]

00:10:45   this movie completely unencumbered by [TS]

00:10:47   continuity largely by from the point of [TS]

00:10:51   the divergence b but never met was a [TS]

00:10:52   rational point of view that did yet you [TS]

00:10:54   are like there-there they are making [TS]

00:10:56   themselves more income than they have to [TS]

00:10:57   because they want to do modules and all [TS]

00:10:59   the ridiculous things when the reality [TS]

00:11:00   would have diverged so much that nothing [TS]

00:11:02   resembling any other movies would ever [TS]

00:11:03   happen except maybe the whale think its [TS]

00:11:05   toll on its way right but it i thought [TS]

00:11:08   that was such like that was one of the [TS]

00:11:11   things that you know the theme song at [TS]

00:11:12   the end is like I realized and guess [TS]

00:11:14   what they can do anything they want from [TS]

00:11:15   here and it shouldn't piss anyone off [TS]

00:11:17   because they are leaving intact the real [TS]

00:11:20   you know Star Trek timeline but now [TS]

00:11:22   they're free to do whatever they want [TS]

00:11:24   and so that's that's one of the reasons [TS]

00:11:25   i was so excited about the second movie [TS]

00:11:27   I I a bunch of arguments with people on [TS]

00:11:29   Twitter about the about the star trek [TS]

00:11:31   into darkness you may have noticed and [TS]

00:11:33   one of the ones that I got a lot was [TS]

00:11:35   well they shouldn't change continuity [TS]

00:11:36   issues just been you know with it [TS]

00:11:39   painting within the numbers within the [TS]

00:11:41   little lines of existing establish [TS]

00:11:43   continuities like wow there's no drama [TS]

00:11:45   and I've seen prequels and not just Star [TS]

00:11:48   Wars I mean there's no drama in the [TS]

00:11:52   leading up to the obvious and mandatory [TS]

00:11:55   eventualities I I just think it's it's [TS]

00:11:57   it would be boring in the extreme to do [TS]

00:12:00   that and and so you know their moments [TS]

00:12:03   in star trek into darkness where I [TS]

00:12:05   actually I'm thinking where they going [TS]

00:12:06   to kill some of the main characters not [TS]

00:12:08   that 1i knew they weren't gonna kill [TS]

00:12:10   that one and we'll get to that but but [TS]

00:12:12   that you know there were moments where I [TS]

00:12:13   actually felt like jeopardy for the [TS]

00:12:15   characters and of course it was just a [TS]

00:12:16   straight-on prequel I would never felt [TS]

00:12:18   that Dan did I I didn't get to you did I [TS]

00:12:21   i think the first thing that struck me [TS]

00:12:22   watching the movie was I that I don't [TS]

00:12:25   believe there is a oscar forecasting but [TS]

00:12:27   if there were I think this movie should [TS]

00:12:29   win every year i think they did they do [TS]

00:12:33   one of the best casting jobs i think i [TS]

00:12:34   could ever like they they managed to [TS]

00:12:37   perfectly nail all of these characters [TS]

00:12:39   so that they were familiar yet not [TS]

00:12:43   dislike that distinctly different at the [TS]

00:12:45   same time and to me that was that was [TS]

00:12:48   quite the coup because i remember [TS]

00:12:50   reading the cast list when it came out [TS]

00:12:51   here like reading like okay [TS]

00:12:53   Zachary Quintos playing Spock what yeah [TS]

00:12:55   I can see that and and simon Pegg's [TS]

00:12:57   playing Scotty well that's awesome and [TS]

00:12:59   and John chose playing salute well [TS]

00:13:01   that's a great choice you know and you [TS]

00:13:02   keep kind of going and going there were [TS]

00:13:04   a couple people i was unsure of the [TS]

00:13:05   first time around but Karl Urban really [TS]

00:13:07   really want me over i think im so yeah [TS]

00:13:09   okay to John earlier tonight actually [TS]

00:13:11   that that uh I i will now watch pretty [TS]

00:13:13   much anything with him in it because it [TS]

00:13:14   is this [TS]

00:13:15   just a couple scenes where he just [TS]

00:13:16   totally nails it which caused good [TS]

00:13:19   because he's doing an American accent [TS]

00:13:20   that show where he hasn't he's a cop [TS]

00:13:21   with a robot partner [TS]

00:13:23   oh I'm gonna watch that now yeah i watch [TS]

00:13:25   Gunsmoke was a cop [TS]

00:13:26   I think maybe bones is is is the best [TS]

00:13:28   casting of the mall which is saying [TS]

00:13:30   something because I i agree with you i [TS]

00:13:32   think they did they did a good job and i [TS]

00:13:34   remember reading something during the [TS]

00:13:36   production of that first movie that they [TS]

00:13:39   were approaching it they said look [TS]

00:13:40   because this was controversial like [TS]

00:13:42   other actors playing these parts they [TS]

00:13:43   said look these are classic roles is [TS]

00:13:44   your classic characters you know [TS]

00:13:46   different productions of Shakespeare [TS]

00:13:47   have different actors and have had that [TS]

00:13:50   for hundreds of years like it isn't the [TS]

00:13:52   character of Captain Kirk something so [TS]

00:13:53   so great isn't the Kirk Spock McCoy [TS]

00:13:55   relationship so interesting that it [TS]

00:13:58   deserves to be explored further and not [TS]

00:14:00   just by the original actors so we've had [TS]

00:14:03   six guys play James Bond right like you [TS]

00:14:06   know which is also an iconic characters [TS]

00:14:07   i don't see really a problem with that [TS]

00:14:09   the other thing which is kind of John [TS]

00:14:11   touched on was this the divergent [TS]

00:14:13   timelines as a way to keep the original [TS]

00:14:15   canon intact which the more i think [TS]

00:14:16   about the more I find brilliant because [TS]

00:14:18   the problem to a certain extent well so [TS]

00:14:22   a lot of the earlier Star Trek movies [TS]

00:14:23   and hang you know hold up alright i [TS]

00:14:26   think the problem to a certain extent is [TS]

00:14:27   that they don't really play to the [TS]

00:14:30   modern movie goings in the same way that [TS]

00:14:34   we didn't they didn't like James Bond [TS]

00:14:36   like James Bond has to get reinvented [TS]

00:14:37   for every era because you know Roger [TS]

00:14:39   Moore isn't going to fly in the 2000s [TS]

00:14:41   besides the fact is like 90 but it's [TS]

00:14:43   like that there's a different tone right [TS]

00:14:45   like there's a different there's a [TS]

00:14:46   different style of filmmaking at the [TS]

00:14:47   time dimension and that's the thing that [TS]

00:14:49   star wars fans are stored friends like [TS]

00:14:51   to complain so much about with the [TS]

00:14:52   special editions is like well it's like [TS]

00:14:54   you're trying to take a 70s movie and [TS]

00:14:55   making into a nineties movie and that [TS]

00:14:57   feels really weird and so they they were [TS]

00:15:00   able to diverge the timelines and and [TS]

00:15:02   you know treat the separate thing that [TS]

00:15:04   is very much of its era it's very much a [TS]

00:15:06   movie of it of its time and yet has a [TS]

00:15:10   lot of you know the the same elements we [TS]

00:15:13   really like because like you know you [TS]

00:15:15   look back at like the bridge from the [TS]

00:15:16   enterprise in the original series it's [TS]

00:15:17   like when you couldn't have like the [TS]

00:15:19   blinking lights today right like it [TS]

00:15:21   would work it would look silly with the [TS]

00:15:22   switches short switches are great those [TS]

00:15:24   witches are awesome i mean the scene i [TS]

00:15:25   always say the scene that they got [TS]

00:15:27   me and the first trailer seen that I [TS]

00:15:30   loved so much was the scene it's just a [TS]

00:15:33   one-shot of the Sulu like moving the [TS]

00:15:35   lever to make the enterprise go to warp [TS]

00:15:39   i just i love it's like this chrome [TS]

00:15:41   lever it looks like a hot rod remember [TS]

00:15:44   when I put that screenshot on Mac os10 [TS]

00:15:46   review [TS]

00:15:46   yes yes because i was a quicktime player [TS]

00:15:49   and like yes that that one image jumped [TS]

00:15:51   out at me as well so much so that I very [TS]

00:15:53   intentionally chose it because you have [TS]

00:15:55   to show something playing in the movie [TS]

00:15:56   thing is that exact scene and to speak [TS]

00:15:58   to it i think that you know i will say [TS]

00:16:00   that that this the star trek is the best [TS]

00:16:03   Star Wars movie we've had in the last [TS]

00:16:04   like 15 years but it is i mean like in [TS]

00:16:08   that you've seen you've no doubt if [TS]

00:16:10   people haven't seen these the shot you [TS]

00:16:12   know side-by-side shots of like Star [TS]

00:16:14   Wars and Star Trek it's it's pretty like [TS]

00:16:17   there's a user's a youtube video where [TS]

00:16:19   they compared like you know Kirk going [TS]

00:16:21   out on his little like speeder bike out [TS]

00:16:23   to the enterprise and looking up at the [TS]

00:16:24   enterprise to Luke going and looking at [TS]

00:16:26   the sunset they call that the luke [TS]

00:16:28   skywalker shot right JJ Abrams is a huge [TS]

00:16:31   Star Wars fan was not necessarily a [TS]

00:16:33   really big star trek fan before getting [TS]

00:16:34   into this so i think to me you know it [TS]

00:16:38   felt like it incorporated a lot of the [TS]

00:16:39   things that i liked about Star Wars and [TS]

00:16:42   there is that element of and we'll get [TS]

00:16:44   into this little bit more with into [TS]

00:16:46   darkness but the helmet of even if it's [TS]

00:16:48   a totally different timeline there are [TS]

00:16:50   still dare I say it fixed point or like [TS]

00:16:55   well there are there are elements in it [TS]

00:16:57   i like the idea of there are elements [TS]

00:16:59   like there's inescapable things like [TS]

00:17:01   Kirk and you know certain villains are [TS]

00:17:04   going to meet up no matter what timeline [TS]

00:17:06   it is clearly the first even the first [TS]

00:17:08   of the first movie makes it clear it's [TS]

00:17:10   like a they never says it but it's very [TS]

00:17:12   clear that there has to be some the [TS]

00:17:14   universe's wanting to get these people [TS]

00:17:16   together that's why I can forgive mr. [TS]

00:17:18   Spock being down cold spot being down on [TS]

00:17:20   the the ice planet at when Kirk gets [TS]

00:17:23   sent down there and that Scotty happens [TS]

00:17:26   to be at the outpost there it's because [TS]

00:17:28   you know the the timeline diverge but [TS]

00:17:31   the universe is gonna get these people [TS]

00:17:32   back together right and i think that [TS]

00:17:34   makes it emotional sense but not [TS]

00:17:36   rational sense it's like a Stephen King [TS]

00:17:37   book where there's always some unseen [TS]

00:17:39   force causing the story to control [TS]

00:17:41   come to the shape that makes for a [TS]

00:17:42   dramatic story and I think that that [TS]

00:17:44   works from a sense of they bothered me i [TS]

00:17:46   like you know I i had that you know sort [TS]

00:17:49   of quibble the first time around and I [TS]

00:17:51   think it was because i was very much [TS]

00:17:52   holding onto this old like going into it [TS]

00:17:54   expecting it to be much more like the [TS]

00:17:56   star trek I'd grown up with which is all [TS]

00:17:58   very rational and science fictiony and [TS]

00:18:00   this was a little bit more fantastic and [TS]

00:18:03   so I I mean once I sort of separated the [TS]

00:18:06   element the part of me that was like it [TS]

00:18:08   doesn't really feel like star trek from [TS]

00:18:09   the part of me that's like yeah but I [TS]

00:18:11   kind of like there's a story then I [TS]

00:18:12   think I came around on it when when I [TS]

00:18:15   was when I showed it to my son he you [TS]

00:18:18   know he's picking out the different plot [TS]

00:18:19   points and saying I was cool in this you [TS]

00:18:22   know and he liked the timeline diverging [TS]

00:18:24   worked and was amazed by that and when [TS]

00:18:28   we got to that point you know how you [TS]

00:18:30   know it's well Scotty's there an old [TS]

00:18:32   spot is there and have been why is he [TS]

00:18:34   there and doesn't make any sense and he [TS]

00:18:36   said we act as Spock sent him to the [TS]

00:18:38   planet and I went and even though it's [TS]

00:18:42   not the same spot obviously but to him [TS]

00:18:45   it made enough sense that there was like [TS]

00:18:48   this residual idea for Spock to do that [TS]

00:18:52   spacious spunkiness otherwise it's like [TS]

00:18:54   why would you do that in the first place [TS]

00:18:57   ok right because it because it had to be [TS]

00:18:59   done exactly is the old sci-fi trope of [TS]

00:19:02   planets in science fiction movies are [TS]

00:19:06   about the size of a living room yes [TS]

00:19:08   because no matter where you send someone [TS]

00:19:09   down on a planet he is inevitably within [TS]

00:19:12   walking distance of the most important [TS]

00:19:14   thing or person on the entire planet [TS]

00:19:15   that's just that's just a standard size [TS]

00:19:18   five triples plants are actually really [TS]

00:19:19   big and in reality you would spend seven [TS]

00:19:21   years getting to the point really didn't [TS]

00:19:23   there are that many around any given [TS]

00:19:25   star and they're not very close together [TS]

00:19:26   and yet there are several moments in [TS]

00:19:28   this in the original Abrams Star Trek [TS]

00:19:31   and in many other sci-fi movies words [TS]

00:19:33   like planets tons of them they're all [TS]

00:19:35   very close to each other and they're [TS]

00:19:36   very small and it's like no that's not [TS]

00:19:38   it I i also have to deal with the like [TS]

00:19:41   the quote on quote rule-breaking and if [TS]

00:19:43   I were wearing if I actually were [TS]

00:19:44   classes i would be pushing them what up [TS]

00:19:46   on my nose right now to say like the [TS]

00:19:48   transporter doesn't actually work well [TS]

00:19:51   at warp and you can't send people over [TS]

00:19:53   those [TS]

00:19:53   long distances from the the years and [TS]

00:19:56   years I spent reading star trek [TS]

00:19:58   technical manuals but again I just was [TS]

00:20:01   like you know what I mean I it's finally [TS]

00:20:03   we get there for a plot devised a way to [TS]

00:20:04   go they had an in story explanation for [TS]

00:20:06   that those like y'all this is you know [TS]

00:20:08   the war the fortunes of the blah blah [TS]

00:20:10   right it just bothered me at the time is [TS]

00:20:12   it [TS]

00:20:12   yeah as a plot device it's also just [TS]

00:20:14   like a transfer student pretty much [TS]

00:20:15   anything we want the two but then you [TS]

00:20:16   look back at the old seriously like yeah [TS]

00:20:18   you could like make separate people [TS]

00:20:19   carry diseases like that's all sorts of [TS]

00:20:21   things you can do with transport is the [TS]

00:20:22   evil blankets [TS]

00:20:23   yes make even sure who's to say you [TS]

00:20:25   won't invent transparent aluminum that's [TS]

00:20:27   right all right now with you but if that [TS]

00:20:29   was the guy who went except except the [TS]

00:20:31   differences that Scotty smart enough to [TS]

00:20:33   immediately say excuse me are you for [TS]

00:20:34   the future immediately making out is [TS]

00:20:38   that you know Eric man is not very [TS]

00:20:40   interesting by the way he's just he is [TS]

00:20:41   either everything I just like that line [TS]

00:20:43   to get these spit flying out of his [TS]

00:20:46   mouth when he does it's great [TS]

00:20:47   yeah and that's it that's a ship with no [TS]

00:20:49   handrails no guardrails are sure it is [TS]

00:20:52   very unsafe excellent balance that bad [TS]

00:20:55   industrial design it doesn't even seem [TS]

00:20:57   to have like a complete floor anywhere [TS]

00:20:59   no that's a Romulan miners don't like [TS]

00:21:01   it's therefore rocks like they don't [TS]

00:21:04   around they do they do calisthenics and [TS]

00:21:08   stuff and I stab you with a little pokey [TS]

00:21:09   stabby thing if you miss them at least [TS]

00:21:11   they were reasons can just throw I like [TS]

00:21:14   that the industrial design the film is [TS]

00:21:15   also really really great i mentioned the [TS]

00:21:17   lever on the enterprise before but also [TS]

00:21:18   i love the phasers i love that they have [TS]

00:21:20   the whole thing that flips from likes [TS]

00:21:22   done to kill ya [TS]

00:21:23   that's awesome it's just it's not one of [TS]

00:21:25   those touches that like it it would not [TS]

00:21:28   have looked out of place in the 60 [TS]

00:21:29   series and yet it's still modern and to [TS]

00:21:32   me that is awesome [TS]

00:21:34   that's just brilliant design believe the [TS]

00:21:36   enterprise is recognizably is the [TS]

00:21:38   enterprise but I you know has a modern [TS]

00:21:42   take on it that makes it again and the [TS]

00:21:45   bridge the same way I mean the bridge is [TS]

00:21:47   is more or less functional in the way [TS]

00:21:49   that the original Star Trek bridge is [TS]

00:21:51   but it doesn't look like it at all it's [TS]

00:21:53   all apple store you know it's glass and [TS]

00:21:55   white and yea alright a star trek into [TS]

00:21:59   darkness just came out and we all saw it [TS]

00:22:01   and [TS]

00:22:02   I i'll put it out there [TS]

00:22:06   I really enjoyed it i thought it was [TS]

00:22:07   very entertaining again it doesn't it's [TS]

00:22:11   not without its flaws but you know I [TS]

00:22:14   actually think that it has fewer flaws [TS]

00:22:17   them the 2009 movie starting with a much [TS]

00:22:21   better villain but much more interesting [TS]

00:22:24   actor doing much more interesting things [TS]

00:22:27   then then Eric Bana [TS]

00:22:30   sadly I mean he's not a terrible actor [TS]

00:22:32   or anything but he's not given much to [TS]

00:22:33   do and he doesn't do anything with it so [TS]

00:22:35   you know and and and John Harrison [TS]

00:22:42   aka the Mandarin is also known as con la [TS]

00:22:48   what I did not pick up other know you [TS]

00:22:51   missed me didn't notice that I thought [TS]

00:22:53   he was playing James Caan yeah week on [TS]

00:22:56   let me calculate you know and and he's [TS]

00:23:01   he cover Benedict Cumberbatch's great uh [TS]

00:23:04   Peter Weller is interesting although i [TS]

00:23:07   think peter weller is going to be [TS]

00:23:09   sinister and everything so when it turns [TS]

00:23:11   out that he said Mr I was like I told [TS]

00:23:12   you he was sinister it's peter weller it [TS]

00:23:14   was a good guy robocop yeah trying but I [TS]

00:23:17   agree he's not a guy that you cast to be [TS]

00:23:19   like oh yeah that guy's a good guy Bruce [TS]

00:23:21   Greenwood is the good guy [TS]

00:23:22   yeah he's here Weller is not a good guy [TS]

00:23:24   I either the thing with Cumberbatch's he [TS]

00:23:26   does such a great job of looking like [TS]

00:23:28   he's got such that such odd features in [TS]

00:23:31   some ways that they really work with a [TS]

00:23:33   Sherlock he looks he looks for till Ian [TS]

00:23:35   to me in this like they do a really good [TS]

00:23:37   job like nao he loses that cold-blooded [TS]

00:23:40   like it's just so i'll make you so [TS]

00:23:43   menacing i really be in to go from like [TS]

00:23:45   Sherlock to that it's so white with [TS]

00:23:48   flashy and and he's he said I mean this [TS]

00:23:50   is really cool [TS]

00:23:51   it amazes me that he got cast like two [TS]

00:23:54   days before he started filming which [TS]

00:23:57   yeah that's nuts but he said he went to [TS]

00:24:00   the trouble of actually making every [TS]

00:24:03   line reading sound a little bit alien [TS]

00:24:05   sound like a little bit like he had been [TS]

00:24:07   manufactured which makes sense right and [TS]

00:24:10   so so everything after hearing that I'm [TS]

00:24:13   kind of listening to him going oh yeah [TS]

00:24:15   that's cool because it really is a [TS]

00:24:18   different line reading from anything he [TS]

00:24:20   doesn't Sherlock parades and don't watch [TS]

00:24:23   parades and unless you want to watch him [TS]

00:24:25   cry but Christ on cry it was an inspired [TS]

00:24:31   choice because I i actually I would have [TS]

00:24:33   loved to have been a fly on the wall as [TS]

00:24:35   the producers of this movie kept [TS]

00:24:37   approaching actors initially approaching [TS]

00:24:40   hispanic actors who are like c'mon you [TS]

00:24:42   want to do your take on like end and [TS]

00:24:45   they're all like no I'm not going to do [TS]

00:24:46   that [TS]

00:24:46   no forget it forget it and they end up [TS]

00:24:49   with this English guy and I think they [TS]

00:24:52   mean I guess it was a gamble because [TS]

00:24:54   nobody really knew who going to come [TS]

00:24:55   Rebecca was at that point except those [TS]

00:24:57   of us who would seem the first season of [TS]

00:24:59   sherlock i guess but they will be locked [TS]

00:25:03   out because he brings a whole lot right [TS]

00:25:07   i mean you gotta have you got to have [TS]

00:25:09   good a good interesting character with [TS]

00:25:12   things to do but you really have to have [TS]

00:25:13   a charismatic actor and Cumberbatch is [TS]

00:25:17   that is that guy when I saw this movie [TS]

00:25:19   the second time because i watched it [TS]

00:25:20   twice i was sitting next to what turned [TS]

00:25:23   out to be cumbered fans who were [TS]

00:25:26   wheeling every time he appears on-screen [TS]

00:25:28   it was considered was very strange but I [TS]

00:25:32   I totally get it he's he's you know that [TS]

00:25:34   they were very fortunate to cast him so [TS]

00:25:36   suddenly as we're talking about this i [TS]

00:25:38   really wanted there to be a scene in the [TS]

00:25:40   movie where they cut away and Benedict [TS]

00:25:42   Cumberbatch like goes to his little view [TS]

00:25:44   screen and pulls it up and then calls [TS]

00:25:45   like Ricardo Montalban and like yeah so [TS]

00:25:48   I know this box over there getting [TS]

00:25:49   advice from the spa can really open your [TS]

00:25:53   shirt more it [TS]

00:25:54   smiles everyone spot does the Enterprise [TS]

00:25:58   bridge still have fine Corinthian [TS]

00:26:00   leather no it's glass and white plastic [TS]

00:26:04   do you still have the shield coat a [TS]

00:26:09   four-digit prefer that would you be [TS]

00:26:11   yes although again this is not this is [TS]

00:26:13   not the wrath of khan because its way [TS]

00:26:14   earlier and everybody and it's a little [TS]

00:26:16   more like a you know almost space seed [TS]

00:26:18   except spacey wasn't that great episode [TS]

00:26:21   and was horribly sex system so you know [TS]

00:26:24   other any other thoughts about the about [TS]

00:26:27   Cumberbatch or any of the other acting [TS]

00:26:29   performances and into darkness i think [TS]

00:26:30   that might be a good place to do you [TS]

00:26:32   mentioned a lot of the cast for the [TS]

00:26:34   first movie but didn't mention one of my [TS]

00:26:37   most pleasant surprises which is chris [TS]

00:26:40   pine the casting for Kirk because that [TS]

00:26:42   that I feel like is the toughest role to [TS]

00:26:44   cast and all the some people might think [TS]

00:26:47   it would be Spock and maybe that's true [TS]

00:26:48   i'm just kind of spoiled by zachary [TS]

00:26:50   quinto but you know what do you do with [TS]

00:26:52   william shatner right like you don't [TS]

00:26:54   know whether you're going to try to do a [TS]

00:26:57   william shatner impression or be a [TS]

00:26:59   different character but not end up as [TS]

00:27:01   charismatic and chris pine has I feel [TS]

00:27:03   his walk that line he's not doing [TS]

00:27:05   william shatner impression he is [TS]

00:27:07   charismatic I i connect [TS]

00:27:09   with him like some of the challenges so [TS]

00:27:11   they didn't like him i don't i don't [TS]

00:27:13   know how you can dislike him in these [TS]

00:27:14   movies he just he walks that line so [TS]

00:27:16   amazingly well did not for a second do I [TS]

00:27:18   question that this is a character that I [TS]

00:27:20   like that i'm rooting for this [TS]

00:27:21   entertaining me and never any me some [TS]

00:27:24   some of his readings he will do you know [TS]

00:27:26   the shatner thing but just barely enough [TS]

00:27:29   for you to go ok you can have that one [TS]

00:27:30   right and then he goes on in the last [TS]

00:27:32   scene of the first movie he does that [TS]

00:27:34   bones yes it is but you totally nailed [TS]

00:27:36   it in that one I don't know how he does [TS]

00:27:38   that but just a little chatter right [TS]

00:27:40   just a little bit a little shudder goes [TS]

00:27:43   a long way [TS]

00:27:43   yes yeah he knows just the right amount [TS]

00:27:45   to put in so you don't see it or hate it [TS]

00:27:47   but it was enough to also be that [TS]

00:27:48   callback moment of oh god it's really [TS]

00:27:50   Kirk right like that's right it's not [TS]

00:27:52   just some other dude in a yellow shirt [TS]

00:27:54   right you know i think that was what [TS]

00:27:56   sold it for me and then having these [TS]

00:27:59   these different actors but with a [TS]

00:28:01   chemistry that is also very much like [TS]

00:28:05   the original chemistry [TS]

00:28:06   yeah the relationships are familiar if [TS]

00:28:08   the individual people aren't I was like [TS]

00:28:10   I recognize that triangle the bones [TS]

00:28:12   McCoy you know if you recognize that [TS]

00:28:14   even though it's deep blue so clearly [TS]

00:28:15   different people it's like you said [TS]

00:28:17   about the Shakespeare you know the same [TS]

00:28:19   roles different actors also one of the [TS]

00:28:20   brilliant things that I didn't mention [TS]

00:28:21   we were talking about that the original [TS]

00:28:22   movie in that podcast that didn't accept [TS]

00:28:24   John um is we never unlike so many shows [TS]

00:28:29   and movies and things you know Star Trek [TS]

00:28:31   started the original Star Trek started [TS]

00:28:33   with them on their mission and so we [TS]

00:28:36   haven't seen these characters at this [TS]

00:28:38   point in their lives in either of these [TS]

00:28:40   two movies right Kirk even at one of the [TS]

00:28:43   complaints a lot of people had about the [TS]

00:28:44   about the 2009 movie is that you know [TS]

00:28:46   he's made the captain of the enterprise [TS]

00:28:48   at the evidence like really he was just [TS]

00:28:50   cheating at his Kobayashi Maru exam and [TS]

00:28:53   now he's did you have no other captains [TS]

00:28:55   that you could put in charge and this [TS]

00:28:57   move on of them did get blown up right [TS]

00:28:58   one into darkness addresses that right [TS]

00:29:01   where where Kirk gets busted back to [TS]

00:29:02   first officer because he's not ready and [TS]

00:29:05   he's got response i mean for 10 minutes [TS]

00:29:06   valuable lesson for that long [TS]

00:29:09   I mean it is Star Trek they should have [TS]

00:29:11   made him they should have busted out to [TS]

00:29:12   cadet and then the whole movie could [TS]

00:29:14   have been him just studying and [TS]

00:29:16   Starfleet [TS]

00:29:19   yeah that's one of the nice things about [TS]

00:29:21   about seeing chris pine and his [TS]

00:29:23   relationship actually with with Pike [TS]

00:29:25   with bruce greenwood which is is his you [TS]

00:29:27   know his father figure essentially and [TS]

00:29:30   it's great because in the original Star [TS]

00:29:32   Trek you end the movies other than spot [TS]

00:29:35   dyeing Kirk does all this crazy stuff [TS]

00:29:37   and he always gets away with it right [TS]

00:29:39   and so it's good to have that early in [TS]

00:29:41   his career like he's got that tendency [TS]

00:29:43   and he's got somebody to push back at [TS]

00:29:45   him and say you you know you were gonna [TS]

00:29:47   be in trouble if you have if you have [TS]

00:29:49   this attitude i was pleasantly surprised [TS]

00:29:51   to have pike in as much a day of it is [TS]

00:29:54   he is like in that first you know half [TS]

00:29:56   hour so he people is a pretty important [TS]

00:29:58   part and I i really like the screen [TS]

00:29:59   would have been a fan of his for years [TS]

00:30:01   and it was great to have that scene [TS]

00:30:03   where they're sitting in the bar and you [TS]

00:30:05   get a call back to yeah I remember that [TS]

00:30:06   bar fight where you you know got the [TS]

00:30:08   crap kicked out of you [TS]

00:30:09   yeah yeah yeahs paper towels up your [TS]

00:30:11   nose and everything and like it was just [TS]

00:30:13   it was a nice scene that it really [TS]

00:30:16   humanizes Kirk who as you said like [TS]

00:30:18   oftentimes as the protagonist gets to [TS]

00:30:20   get away with a lot of things but yeah [TS]

00:30:23   having him be much more of a human [TS]

00:30:24   character and kind of a script because [TS]

00:30:26   he is always walk in that edge right [TS]

00:30:28   he's always walking the knife's edge and [TS]

00:30:29   trying to like not quite play by the [TS]

00:30:32   book get things done and I they do a [TS]

00:30:34   good job of capturing that I like the [TS]

00:30:36   fact that this kirk this time lines Kirk [TS]

00:30:39   I i connect with him more because [TS]

00:30:42   basically they killed his father off [TS]

00:30:43   right because i always felt like being [TS]

00:30:45   out there the original Kirk was just [TS]

00:30:47   made me know and we supposed to be smug [TS]

00:30:49   but just maybe a little bit to smuggle [TS]

00:30:50   feel like maybe his he had his life with [TS]

00:30:52   his life was a little bit too easy going [TS]

00:30:54   to start the quiz this card immediately [TS]

00:30:55   kill off his dad and so he's you know [TS]

00:30:58   someone growing up without a father has [TS]

00:30:59   to find out that's why he's such a [TS]

00:31:01   screw-up at the beginning of the 2009 [TS]

00:31:04   movie and in a way that I don't imagine [TS]

00:31:06   you know the william shatner Kirk being [TS]

00:31:09   that kind of a screw-up so it makes epic [TS]

00:31:10   makes him more interesting in a Star [TS]

00:31:13   Trek II kind of way of like Luke being [TS]

00:31:14   this annoying whiny loser at the [TS]

00:31:17   beginning of the movie [TS]

00:31:18   it gives the character better arc and I [TS]

00:31:20   feel like this guy's now a wild card [TS]

00:31:21   because he is it basically he has had [TS]

00:31:24   his formative experience of childhood [TS]

00:31:25   without a father has to shape him into a [TS]

00:31:28   more interesting more dangerous more [TS]

00:31:30   damaged person then [TS]

00:31:32   William chatter in some ways this movie [TS]

00:31:34   uh you know the theme of this movie i [TS]

00:31:37   would argue actually is is a willingness [TS]

00:31:40   to sacrifice oneself and to place the [TS]

00:31:43   needs of the many out in front of the [TS]

00:31:46   needs of the fewer the one which is [TS]

00:31:48   funny because that's that's from star [TS]

00:31:49   trek to but that's not the theme of star [TS]

00:31:51   trek to i would argue star trek to is [TS]

00:31:53   about coming to grips with aging and the [TS]

00:31:56   inevitability of mortality like all the [TS]

00:31:59   Star Trek like well I mean that's [TS]

00:32:01   actually one of the things that's [TS]

00:32:02   interesting about this franchise now too [TS]

00:32:04   is that they had old people you know [TS]

00:32:07   agent people in all the rules so that [TS]

00:32:08   was all about aging and now we've got [TS]

00:32:10   young people in those same parts so it [TS]

00:32:12   doesn't have to be about that there's [TS]

00:32:13   not a lot of action franchises that have [TS]

00:32:15   a cast bolstered by old people to when [TS]

00:32:17   you think about it like it's unusual [TS]

00:32:18   tired [TS]

00:32:20   yes that's right that's a deception [TS]

00:32:22   yippee-ki-yay card anyway uh what I like [TS]

00:32:25   about about this this theme of sacrifice [TS]

00:32:28   is that it gets to the heart of that [TS]

00:32:30   Kirk not uh not accepting defeat and [TS]

00:32:33   cheating the Kobayashi Maru and in this [TS]

00:32:35   movie you know Kirk has to talk about [TS]

00:32:37   sacrifice and Spock and con addresses it [TS]

00:32:42   and in the end it's that you know that [TS]

00:32:45   the challenge that's put to him by pike [TS]

00:32:47   at the beginning and restated bike on [TS]

00:32:51   which is when he says what would you not [TS]

00:32:53   do for your family and in the end Kirk [TS]

00:32:57   is put in a position where he has to [TS]

00:32:59   make that choice and he does it he [TS]

00:33:01   sacrifices himself for these things he's [TS]

00:33:03   sacrificing himself to save his ship and [TS]

00:33:06   to save his crew and that's a lie i [TS]

00:33:09   agree with John I think that this is [TS]

00:33:11   interesting material because it's seeing [TS]

00:33:14   captain kirk learn things that I was not [TS]

00:33:17   sure Katt Williams chapters captain Kurt [TS]

00:33:19   learned yet rather than the getting old [TS]

00:33:21   part we kind of have this as the growing [TS]

00:33:23   up part right where you realize you [TS]

00:33:25   can't always win [TS]

00:33:27   you can't always come up with the plan [TS]

00:33:28   that's going to get around all the [TS]

00:33:31   obstacles you can always cheat fate [TS]

00:33:33   essentially and I think that's it's a [TS]

00:33:35   nice it's a nice it's a nice bookend in [TS]

00:33:37   some ways to the older Star Trek films [TS]

00:33:39   where it's you know you you're on the [TS]

00:33:41   other side of that aging humph [TS]

00:33:43   because Shatner's Kirk got to come of [TS]

00:33:46   age with an intact set of parents in a [TS]

00:33:49   Starfleet that was the gene roddenberry [TS]

00:33:51   one where there's no money and [TS]

00:33:52   everything you know everywhere all at [TS]

00:33:54   peace and it's an exploratory thing [TS]

00:33:56   whereas this kirk right away is it you [TS]

00:34:00   know in a more damage situation and in [TS]

00:34:03   the context of a Starfleet that is now [TS]

00:34:05   you know 911 style militarized as a [TS]

00:34:07   reaction to all the stuff that happened [TS]

00:34:09   in the first movie which is no big theme [TS]

00:34:11   of this movie as well [TS]

00:34:12   yeah so he does not he he he's going to [TS]

00:34:15   end up being shaped into a different [TS]

00:34:17   person he just can't be that kind of [TS]

00:34:19   la-dee-da kind of smaug I win everything [TS]

00:34:21   and then think about my aging when i get [TS]

00:34:23   the retirement age of the Shatner's Kirk [TS]

00:34:25   go two planets and kiss all the alien [TS]

00:34:27   girls [TS]

00:34:28   yeah i mean like you said that hasn't it [TS]

00:34:30   yes they haven't even started their [TS]

00:34:31   five-year mission but you know in this [TS]

00:34:33   movie right and it was going to be a 5 [TS]

00:34:35   mission and they're dealing with like a [TS]

00:34:38   militarized Starfleet which is very I [TS]

00:34:40   mean I can understand why star trek [TS]

00:34:41   people may not like this movie because [TS]

00:34:43   it's not the Starks they remembered but [TS]

00:34:44   it makes for much more interesting story [TS]

00:34:46   telling [TS]

00:34:46   yes and and i would argue makes for some [TS]

00:34:49   interesting debates about its decisions [TS]

00:34:52   the characters make which every time I [TS]

00:34:54   hear somebody say oh it was just [TS]

00:34:56   explosions in action and I remember when [TS]

00:34:58   Star Trek used to be about issues it's [TS]

00:35:00   like did you not see the movie did you [TS]

00:35:02   not see spot talking about how drone [TS]

00:35:04   strikes are immoral and did you not see [TS]

00:35:06   the whole thing about a guy in command [TS]

00:35:08   of the military trying to create a war [TS]

00:35:13   I mean hello the pen and the following [TS]

00:35:15   going back to sacrifice [TS]

00:35:17   there's also that thread of everything [TS]

00:35:20   that Admiral Marcus is going to [TS]

00:35:22   sacrifice is is using as a sacrifice you [TS]

00:35:25   know sending Kirk and you know in the [TS]

00:35:28   incursion into the Klingon space and all [TS]

00:35:30   that stuff is he's willing to sacrifice [TS]

00:35:33   Kirk in the enterprise whether they want [TS]

00:35:36   to or not right not himself right is the [TS]

00:35:38   same thing with sun sending just sit on [TS]

00:35:40   the edge of the neutral zone and fire [TS]

00:35:41   tore your torpedoes to the Klingon [TS]

00:35:44   homeworld it's you know the remote no [TS]

00:35:46   risk versus the personal I great [TS]

00:35:49   personal risk connection [TS]

00:35:52   not to mention you get to as a bonus [TS]

00:35:53   murder all the people who are actually [TS]

00:35:54   interpret [TS]

00:35:55   exactly hiding like well and this star [TS]

00:35:59   trek home gets to the the sort of the [TS]

00:36:01   root of one of my one of my frustrations [TS]

00:36:04   with star trek over the years which is [TS]

00:36:06   to say there's a such a heavy focus on [TS]

00:36:10   the alien and it's not that you know [TS]

00:36:13   there's an interesting things and [TS]

00:36:14   there's very much all an ongoing threat [TS]

00:36:16   and star trek about culture right like [TS]

00:36:18   cultures meeting cultures having [TS]

00:36:20   different cultures you know Leslie steps [TS]

00:36:22   on a flower and gets put to death record [TS]

00:36:24   and I think so but to me with a problem [TS]

00:36:27   with that for me was always that [TS]

00:36:30   yeah it's interesting from sort of [TS]

00:36:31   Alpine sky theoretical point of view but [TS]

00:36:33   a lot of times i found it hard to relate [TS]

00:36:34   to [TS]

00:36:35   I like a lot of people consider our spot [TS]

00:36:37   and data you know such interesting major [TS]

00:36:40   characters and although they don't feel [TS]

00:36:41   emotion and what's that like and I [TS]

00:36:42   always found them kind of boring because [TS]

00:36:44   if that like that that's not a person I [TS]

00:36:46   can relate to and I think that having a [TS]

00:36:48   story that revolves largely around you [TS]

00:36:51   know people for lack of better words [TS]

00:36:53   rather than like guys in funny suits for [TS]

00:36:56   guys with makeup on their foreheads it [TS]

00:36:58   makes it more relatable story to me and [TS]

00:37:01   makes it more interesting because no [TS]

00:37:03   matter what happens in the future people [TS]

00:37:05   are still fundamentally people like even [TS]

00:37:08   if you end up in that future where [TS]

00:37:09   there's no like money and everybody's [TS]

00:37:11   happy and you don't there's still people [TS]

00:37:13   who get pissed off and people who you [TS]

00:37:16   know try to do other people and all that [TS]

00:37:18   stuff and so you know rather than I [TS]

00:37:20   guess maybe I'm being pessimistic and [TS]

00:37:22   not wanting to see people's better [TS]

00:37:23   nature I'll Roddenberry but like just [TS]

00:37:25   the reality of it like look that people [TS]

00:37:27   are always going to be Petty and cruel [TS]

00:37:28   to a certain extent but they're also [TS]

00:37:29   always going to be you know heroic and [TS]

00:37:31   try to raise the rise to the occasion [TS]

00:37:33   and that is something i can recognize [TS]

00:37:36   and as a story i really enjoy that [TS]

00:37:39   rotten berries future was a great tool [TS]

00:37:41   to do actual science fiction because if [TS]

00:37:44   you're going to like the thing was like [TS]

00:37:45   put whitewash the the human stuff like [TS]

00:37:48   we eventually evolved beyond that stuff [TS]

00:37:50   but now let the better angels of our [TS]

00:37:53   nature as exemplified by Starfleet land [TS]

00:37:56   on other planets with other people and [TS]

00:37:58   it's an even more challenging situation [TS]

00:37:59   because you know attics you know it you [TS]

00:38:01   get to sell twat you get to tell [TS]

00:38:02   Twilight Zone / real so you know [TS]

00:38:04   speculative sci-fi type stories without [TS]

00:38:07   being bogged down by all of the petty [TS]

00:38:10   human type things but at a certain point [TS]

00:38:12   like especially for star wars fan you [TS]

00:38:14   find that a little bit of antiseptic and [TS]

00:38:17   you want something else i mean it's it's [TS]

00:38:18   the reason i guess they had the [TS]

00:38:19   wherewithal to make Spock half-human [TS]

00:38:21   because a full Vulcan or data or [TS]

00:38:24   whatever it's like yeah alright you can [TS]

00:38:27   do a few things with that but you spoke [TS]

00:38:29   without inner struggle is like you know [TS]

00:38:31   so the inner struggle makes makes a big [TS]

00:38:33   difference [TS]

00:38:34   yeah then this one like it's okay I like [TS]

00:38:36   this one because it the run Barry run [TS]

00:38:39   has to exist as a contrast to this one [TS]

00:38:42   because it's like what if humanity [TS]

00:38:44   didn't evolve up out of that you know [TS]

00:38:46   sort of pizza were all in into this [TS]

00:38:48   enlightened state because we got [TS]

00:38:50   sidetracked by these things that always [TS]

00:38:52   sidetrack us like you know oh well [TS]

00:38:53   suddenly there's danger in our fear [TS]

00:38:55   response kicks in and you start making [TS]

00:38:56   bad decisions and you know good people [TS]

00:38:59   have to fight against them whatever and [TS]

00:39:00   i thought this movie speaking of a peter [TS]

00:39:03   weller it's not miyazaki level here but [TS]

00:39:05   they did a reasonable job not making him [TS]

00:39:08   you know just crazy ridiculous bad guy [TS]

00:39:12   who just wants to do terrible things [TS]

00:39:13   like he believes more or less that he's [TS]

00:39:16   doing the right thing that kind of lives [TS]

00:39:17   at the animal right at the end he's a [TS]

00:39:18   little more seat scenery-chewing but [TS]

00:39:20   you're right he's got he's got a [TS]

00:39:22   perspective right he's totally got a [TS]

00:39:24   perspective right everyone has their [TS]

00:39:25   reasons right and he and begin the movie [TS]

00:39:27   has reasons he's not just like you know [TS]

00:39:29   rubbing his hands together twirling his [TS]

00:39:30   moustache and the Klingons are even in [TS]

00:39:33   traditional star trek Lord they are not [TS]

00:39:36   nice [TS]

00:39:37   in the original series so they are a big [TS]

00:39:40   threat it he says war is inevitable [TS]

00:39:42   cycle yeah war with the Klingons another [TS]

00:39:44   exactly is gonna happen [TS]

00:39:46   what do you think's cap bomb all the [TS]

00:39:47   Klingons Jesus we have to we have the [TS]

00:39:50   preemptive strike before they get us [TS]

00:39:52   only patrick stewart could bring these [TS]

00:39:53   two races together only Nixon could go [TS]

00:39:56   to children [TS]

00:39:57   originally the topic of this podcast was [TS]

00:39:58   going to be about the star trek movies [TS]

00:40:00   vs Star Trek TV and which will be a [TS]

00:40:02   great topic and we'll do it sometime but [TS]

00:40:04   something John brought up there i would [TS]

00:40:05   say is is part of the interesting thing [TS]

00:40:09   here is that it movies have big budgets [TS]

00:40:11   and need to bring in big audiences and [TS]

00:40:13   it only can tell two hours of story and [TS]

00:40:16   TV series can tell these little [TS]

00:40:18   stories and then move on to the next [TS]

00:40:19   planet and star trek was conceived as a [TS]

00:40:21   TV series and it's become a movie series [TS]

00:40:24   and even in the classic Star Trek movies [TS]

00:40:28   it there was struggle there because some [TS]

00:40:31   of the episodes are some of the movies [TS]

00:40:32   that don't work so well read kind of [TS]

00:40:35   like TV episodes really long TV episodes [TS]

00:40:38   and satellites or or involving aliens [TS]

00:40:43   who don't age because they live in a [TS]

00:40:45   magical planet where they don't age but [TS]

00:40:47   the notarized plastic surgery leads are [TS]

00:40:49   very angry about anyway we'll get there [TS]

00:40:51   in a later episode but I i think that's [TS]

00:40:53   I think that's part of it too is that is [TS]

00:40:56   that a movie like these JJ Abrams movies [TS]

00:40:58   it's going to be a big-budget action [TS]

00:40:59   movie it it kind of has to be and then [TS]

00:41:02   the question is what else is in there [TS]

00:41:03   and how effective it is it as an [TS]

00:41:05   adventure movie and doesn't make you [TS]

00:41:07   think a little bit and just have [TS]

00:41:08   interesting character dynamics and and [TS]

00:41:10   that's why I really like this movie is [TS]

00:41:12   even though it it's got things you can [TS]

00:41:13   pick apart and especially if you want to [TS]

00:41:15   try to find fault you can find some [TS]

00:41:17   fault but I enjoyed the whole thing and [TS]

00:41:19   came out really you know excited and [TS]

00:41:22   energized and happy and have a great had [TS]

00:41:24   a great ride and when I thought about it [TS]

00:41:26   more [TS]

00:41:26   it unfolded more but it's not going to [TS]

00:41:29   be like a hundred episodes of a TV [TS]

00:41:31   series it just can't be it's a two-hour [TS]

00:41:33   action summer blockbuster and and it has [TS]

00:41:36   to play by those rules to a certain [TS]

00:41:38   extent [TS]

00:41:39   speaking of finding fault i was telling [TS]

00:41:40   a damn Miller tonight that I don't know [TS]

00:41:43   this is a mistake but it may be a [TS]

00:41:45   mistake for that from the perspective [TS]

00:41:46   this podcast but I'm seeing a lot of [TS]

00:41:47   these movies with my son who is nine now [TS]

00:41:49   I and seeing this movie or any movie [TS]

00:41:54   like it with my son [TS]

00:41:55   I'm not gonna say completely blocks out [TS]

00:41:57   my ability to look to look objectively [TS]

00:41:58   at the movie but like i mentioned this [TS]

00:42:00   about cars before to the pixar movie is [TS]

00:42:02   this your kryptonite [TS]

00:42:04   if you are next to a nine-year-old like [TS]

00:42:06   I took him to see this mean i showed him [TS]

00:42:08   the 2009 version i got a chance to watch [TS]

00:42:09   it again because I thought you would [TS]

00:42:11   like it and he did and I took him to see [TS]

00:42:13   this movie and this movie was so perfect [TS]

00:42:17   like this could be his like his star [TS]

00:42:18   wars movie was so perfect for him [TS]

00:42:20   because there was nothing it's really [TS]

00:42:22   gory like it wasn't too scary and just [TS]

00:42:25   the action scenes were just unbelievable [TS]

00:42:27   I mean I enjoyed it too but I'm thinking [TS]

00:42:28   to myself wait a second [TS]

00:42:30   did you because I came out of that movie [TS]

00:42:31   thinking it was just fantastic like and [TS]

00:42:34   it's not saying the critical thinking [TS]

00:42:35   part of my brains have been disengaged [TS]

00:42:36   it's all things wrong with it but I just [TS]

00:42:38   cannot come down off of that high and [TS]

00:42:39   half of it was because i was sitting [TS]

00:42:40   next to a nine-year-old all-time who is [TS]

00:42:42   just you know floored by the whole movie [TS]

00:42:44   like I was telling them he came to the [TS]

00:42:46   we saw the movie and for the next three [TS]

00:42:47   days he would come from school going to [TS]

00:42:49   the computer i'm going to trailers apple [TS]

00:42:51   com watch the star trek into darkness [TS]

00:42:53   trailer over and over and over again you [TS]

00:42:55   know you you can forgive a lot if you're [TS]

00:42:56   having fun and this is a not to call [TS]

00:42:58   back to what is one of my least favorite [TS]

00:43:00   episodes of the uncomfortable but when [TS]

00:43:02   we did the Avengers you know it was [TS]

00:43:04   clear that it was an Andy and I code [TS]

00:43:06   didn't have fun when you seen that movie [TS]

00:43:07   and he saw all the flaws i would argue [TS]

00:43:09   that most movies have lots of things you [TS]

00:43:11   could pick apart if you aren't having a [TS]

00:43:13   good time and you forgive them if you [TS]

00:43:15   are and I know that seems sort of [TS]

00:43:18   strange but I think it's true that I i [TS]

00:43:20   will forgive a lot if in the end i [TS]

00:43:22   really enjoyed it and and I'll and if i [TS]

00:43:25   am not having fun i will sit there and [TS]

00:43:27   get very angry and I will tear [TS]

00:43:29   everything apart and and and you know [TS]

00:43:32   start the star trek movies and its [TS]

00:43:33   target a lot like the Hulk that I'm like [TS]

00:43:36   the whole don't make me angry [TS]

00:43:37   no I just I I'm always angry damn that's [TS]

00:43:40   our secret it is the other thing about [TS]

00:43:42   into darkness though that like i was i [TS]

00:43:44   was actually mention Andy it is well [TS]

00:43:46   it's a movie like I know you guys only [TS]

00:43:49   dinner together without me [TS]

00:43:50   we were talking about the Avengers to [TS]

00:43:52   begin time we got to really enhance a [TS]

00:43:54   little bit but you know and and what i [TS]

00:43:57   was saying was that like it [TS]

00:43:59   the movie also need something exemplary [TS]

00:44:01   to to bring it up in into darkness what [TS]

00:44:03   I thought it was was the dialogue in the [TS]

00:44:07   script I thought they were there were [TS]

00:44:09   scenes that if you could describe them [TS]

00:44:11   to me in the abstract i would say that's [TS]

00:44:13   gonna be death on the screen like you [TS]

00:44:15   know Spock and and her are gonna be in a [TS]

00:44:18   fight and oh yeah Kirk is going to be [TS]

00:44:20   there in like like oh that's going to be [TS]

00:44:21   terrible or whatever but they pulled it [TS]

00:44:23   off like it was just you know three or [TS]

00:44:25   four lines all good lines well-acted [TS]

00:44:28   provide like they were able to flesh out [TS]

00:44:31   that relationship in the midst of an [TS]

00:44:32   action movie in a way that was not [TS]

00:44:35   cloying that was clever and that felt [TS]

00:44:37   meaningful and like the same thing if [TS]

00:44:38   you describe me out in the new star trek [TS]

00:44:40   movies sparking are going [TS]

00:44:41   we're gonna have a thing and you're like [TS]

00:44:43   what what wait a second what and I [TS]

00:44:45   totally believe that relationship on [TS]

00:44:47   screen now like I accept it as canon in [TS]

00:44:49   this new universe it does not bother me [TS]

00:44:51   in the slightest and I think it adds to [TS]

00:44:52   the movie and I never would have [TS]

00:44:53   predicted that so I think that this [TS]

00:44:55   second movie here is it has removed most [TS]

00:44:59   of the goofy silly things that I didn't [TS]

00:45:00   like about the first movie added in [TS]

00:45:02   their place like good I mean I you know [TS]

00:45:05   I like moonlighting to like so I know [TS]

00:45:06   you have a little silly space between [TS]

00:45:09   people that are that illuminate their [TS]

00:45:11   characters and surrounded by what i [TS]

00:45:13   think is a perfectly competent space [TS]

00:45:15   action movie as Dan said probably one of [TS]

00:45:18   the best Star Wars movies it's coming [TS]

00:45:19   out many many years I you know how can I [TS]

00:45:22   not like that like i do see the flaws [TS]

00:45:24   now stepping away from it and some of [TS]

00:45:26   the the shine is worn off or whatever [TS]

00:45:28   but the good stuff just so vastly [TS]

00:45:30   outweighs that you know I still know [TS]

00:45:32   those characters and having those [TS]

00:45:33   characters you you you know there's [TS]

00:45:36   there's good dialogue you're absolutely [TS]

00:45:38   right one of my favorites is when Kirk [TS]

00:45:40   who are talking in the turbolift about [TS]

00:45:43   Spock and he apologized because your [TS]

00:45:45   boyfriend's body is like that was [TS]

00:45:46   unprofessional and she's no you're right [TS]

00:45:48   and then the line that he says when when [TS]

00:45:50   we saw you having a fight and then he is [TS]

00:45:52   that moment where he says oh my god what [TS]

00:45:55   must that be like just is that how would [TS]

00:45:57   that be to be a fight with Spock or they [TS]

00:46:00   can go is so funny just so great in the [TS]

00:46:02   door Harvey staying right here right [TS]

00:46:04   already yes I asked a question about [TS]

00:46:06   whether her still going mad at him and [TS]

00:46:07   it sucks and it says something like [TS]

00:46:08   uncertain which works as that which [TS]

00:46:11   works as a logical Spock line but also [TS]

00:46:13   works as a you know rides I'm knowing [TS]

00:46:16   between friends statement about ya and [TS]

00:46:19   of course the line that my wife and I [TS]

00:46:20   have sounded surprisingly quoted back to [TS]

00:46:23   each other since we saw this movie over [TS]

00:46:25   and over again is no more metaphors [TS]

00:46:27   that's an order [TS]

00:46:29   i wonder if-if i should spy so the [TS]

00:46:33   second time because i'm a gigantic nerd [TS]

00:46:35   the second time I saw this movie I took [TS]

00:46:36   notes for the podcast for the podcast [TS]

00:46:40   sure did you have your Starfleet [TS]

00:46:42   technical data on your lap you have one [TS]

00:46:44   of those pens with a light yeah I didn't [TS]

00:46:46   have one of those pens with the light so [TS]

00:46:49   and I didn't have any reference material [TS]

00:46:51   with me but i did my handwriting is so [TS]

00:46:53   terrible that in absolute darkness [TS]

00:46:55   it's no worse it's amazing how you would [TS]

00:46:57   you say you went into dark notes into [TS]

00:46:59   darkness nemesis Tom Scott uh-huh so I'm [TS]

00:47:07   gonna I'm gonna obviously this is [TS]

00:47:08   chronological because i took the notes [TS]

00:47:10   as I was watching movie but if there are [TS]

00:47:11   parts where everybody wants to jump in [TS]

00:47:13   and talk about it will just by quickly [TS]

00:47:15   step through the movie I want to start [TS]

00:47:17   with the opening sequence which is James [TS]

00:47:20   bond-like in a way right you have this [TS]

00:47:22   fun action thing that that opens it up [TS]

00:47:25   plus it gives you that flavor of the [TS]

00:47:26   original TV series like they're on a [TS]

00:47:28   mission where they're aliens and they're [TS]

00:47:30   going to violate the prime directive but [TS]

00:47:33   i wanted to point out to watching it the [TS]

00:47:35   second time i was thinking this block is [TS]

00:47:38   risking his life to save this planet [TS]

00:47:39   that there's a parallel there between [TS]

00:47:42   this planet and Vulcan which they didn't [TS]

00:47:44   save and they're trying to save these [TS]

00:47:46   people [TS]

00:47:46   it's it's a call back it's a movie [TS]

00:47:50   filled with callbacks to star trek to [TS]

00:47:51   i'll grant you what's interesting here [TS]

00:47:53   is that something I hadn't thought of [TS]

00:47:54   originally instructor to we there they [TS]

00:47:57   faked the death of Spock and the rest of [TS]

00:48:00   the crew in the Kobayashi Maru at the [TS]

00:48:01   beginning he so here Spock almost dies [TS]

00:48:04   again at the very beginning of the [TS]

00:48:06   second star trek movie I thought that [TS]

00:48:07   was kind of knowing and obviously this [TS]

00:48:09   is also sparks moment of self-sacrifice [TS]

00:48:11   and duty where he finally accepts his [TS]

00:48:14   fate it's interesting that he is kind of [TS]

00:48:16   you know really like coming to do it [TS]

00:48:18   he's like okay this is the moment this [TS]

00:48:20   is my big moment I can just embrace [TS]

00:48:22   death and he you know he shows he's very [TS]

00:48:25   common sense of self and he shuts off [TS]

00:48:27   his emotions and then they save them [TS]

00:48:29   obviously but it was interesting that he [TS]

00:48:32   was he was kind of like almost eager to [TS]

00:48:35   to die in that located oh you may be [TS]

00:48:38   projecting yeah well no I think there's [TS]

00:48:39   a point where the the again that sort of [TS]

00:48:42   if you want to play with destiny or that [TS]

00:48:44   there are things that are commonalities [TS]

00:48:45   between the two timelines I think that's [TS]

00:48:48   interesting i think it's interesting in [TS]

00:48:49   this jumping forward a little bit but [TS]

00:48:51   you know in in star trek to I think you [TS]

00:48:53   know Kirk ass to come to terms with sort [TS]

00:48:55   of being bumped upstairs right because [TS]

00:48:57   he's an admiral [TS]

00:48:58   yes and and instead we have Kirk here [TS]

00:49:00   busted down and taking off the you know [TS]

00:49:03   off the captain's chair so that you know [TS]

00:49:05   again interesting divergence in a Star [TS]

00:49:08   Trek the motion [TS]

00:49:09   picture reference of Pikes outfit is [TS]

00:49:10   basically the outfits from Star Trek the [TS]

00:49:12   motion picture and when he comes to tell [TS]

00:49:15   Kirk what's going on in the bar he says [TS]

00:49:17   they gave her back to me which is the [TS]

00:49:19   line that's that's a line that Kirk says [TS]

00:49:21   in Star Trek the motion picture so the [TS]

00:49:24   references don't just start start and [TS]

00:49:26   stop with wrath of khan there are [TS]

00:49:27   references throughout i'm going to talk [TS]

00:49:31   about the enterprise underwater though [TS]

00:49:34   yeah we should you're right you're right [TS]

00:49:35   now it is airtight should because it [TS]

00:49:38   goes to space such a base has no [TS]

00:49:39   pressure and and there's pressure in the [TS]

00:49:41   also within the atmosphere although [TS]

00:49:43   there are others it was built in the [TS]

00:49:45   atmosphere was built the atmosphere and [TS]

00:49:47   we've seen like Star Trek Voyager the [TS]

00:49:48   Voyager could land on a planet and in [TS]

00:49:50   tomorrow is yesterday the classic [TS]

00:49:51   episode they're down with clouds when [TS]

00:49:53   they kidnap that poor fighter pilot so [TS]

00:49:56   but we haven't seen the enterprise [TS]

00:49:57   underwater before and why is it [TS]

00:49:59   underwater because it's cool because [TS]

00:50:02   cool that's why it's underwater they [TS]

00:50:04   want that scene of them coming out of [TS]

00:50:06   the water i would look very cool but as [TS]

00:50:08   I was thinking also think it makes no [TS]

00:50:10   sense to hide your your spaceship in the [TS]

00:50:12   water but i will give them that but i [TS]

00:50:15   have to quibble with it [TS]

00:50:17   listen I i like the idea that it's [TS]

00:50:19   probably discourteous like you know [TS]

00:50:20   what's a great idea we could put it [TS]

00:50:22   underwater and there was like no no I'm [TS]

00:50:25   the captain put it underwater it could [TS]

00:50:27   have explained it away with boring [TS]

00:50:28   dialogue but they could have been like [TS]

00:50:29   well the and atmosphere is ionized the [TS]

00:50:31   transporters won't work so we had to [TS]

00:50:32   bring the ship down but we don't want [TS]

00:50:33   anybody to see it but they gonna say [TS]

00:50:35   that's so boring that you know you could [TS]

00:50:37   say that there's a magnetic field they [TS]

00:50:38   can't use the transporters and surely [TS]

00:50:41   some reason that just inspires don't [TS]

00:50:43   work [TS]

00:50:43   forgive your keebler yeah well they hid [TS]

00:50:45   they hid the enterprising the rings of [TS]

00:50:47   Saturn in the first movie which also [TS]

00:50:48   makes 0 so yeah alright little Titan's [TS]

00:50:51   atmosphere but yeah whatever it was you [TS]

00:50:53   have evidence that none none of these [TS]

00:50:54   things make sense from a space science [TS]

00:50:56   increases corner they like the [TS]

00:50:57   enterprise coming out of things it was [TS]

00:50:59   cool but I just have to say I think [TS]

00:51:00   there are probably better solutions to [TS]

00:51:02   that same problem what the solution to [TS]

00:51:05   having a cool opening scene to a movie [TS]

00:51:07   that's on a planet that's that's the [TS]

00:51:09   problem they were self-help maybe they [TS]

00:51:11   should have hidden it in matara nebula [TS]

00:51:13   when we're back on earth we see Captain [TS]

00:51:17   Kirk making out with a couple of cat [TS]

00:51:18   ladies and as you do and it when you go [TS]

00:51:22   back when you watch this again sometime [TS]

00:51:25   the beginning of that scene I i could it [TS]

00:51:27   could be saurian brandy or something but [TS]

00:51:29   it looks kinda like there's a space bong [TS]

00:51:31   in that apartment i'm just saying watch [TS]

00:51:34   for it all bonds are spaced think there [TS]

00:51:36   might be a space planning i don't know [TS]

00:51:37   i'm not i'm not a I'm not a recreational [TS]

00:51:39   drug user but I'm just saying [TS]

00:51:41   are you a space mark there may be a [TS]

00:51:43   spaceport in the cat girl's apartment or [TS]

00:51:47   Kirk's or current Sparx you lit up it's [TS]

00:51:50   an artifact of cultural significance to [TS]

00:51:52   her race pace yeah totally insensitive [TS]

00:51:54   sorry catgirls sorry half-naked cat [TS]

00:51:58   ladies 98% naked cat ladies let's let's [TS]

00:52:03   see the the death theme starts with the [TS]

00:52:07   his argument with Pike where where Kirk [TS]

00:52:10   is arrogant and says how many died that [TS]

00:52:12   1i didn't lose one person nobody dies [TS]

00:52:14   today is that's really a do we skip over [TS]

00:52:17   it or is it subsequently the Mickey [TS]

00:52:19   Mickey kills much people [TS]

00:52:21   yeah I think that's it was coming up [TS]

00:52:23   this week I think that's next right I [TS]

00:52:25   thought it was right after the show [TS]

00:52:26   Mickey Mickey from my also the [TS]

00:52:28   cumberbatch fans next to me when he came [TS]

00:52:30   on-screen they're like it's Mickey like [TS]

00:52:33   to start laughing and i said that i said [TS]

00:52:35   we put on weight [TS]

00:52:36   well it's there was 10 years ago the key [TS]

00:52:39   from from from Doctor Who and said it [TS]

00:52:42   was daughter is dying and Benedict [TS]

00:52:44   Cumberbatch comes to him and here's your [TS]

00:52:46   self-sacrifice again you know he will he [TS]

00:52:49   will save his daughter in exchange for [TS]

00:52:52   him but you know sacrificing himself and [TS]

00:52:55   his honor and blowing up the the [TS]

00:52:57   Starfleet facility and he takes the deal [TS]

00:53:00   here's the thing about that that segment [TS]

00:53:02   of the movie because when I was this one [TS]

00:53:04   early on the movie when I all my [TS]

00:53:06   critical thinking was still engaged and [TS]

00:53:08   i was thinking like this this plotline [TS]

00:53:10   of this guy who's going to do this thing [TS]

00:53:12   is basically gonna be a pawn of content [TS]

00:53:14   to fulfill this part of the pot there's [TS]

00:53:16   not room in this movie for you to [TS]

00:53:18   actually do that so the way they chose [TS]

00:53:20   to fit in was to almost do it is like a [TS]

00:53:23   silent movie where there's almost no [TS]

00:53:25   dialogue like Mickey is there is great [TS]

00:53:27   music healing and Mickey right but like [TS]

00:53:29   they basically did it like they said [TS]

00:53:32   look we have enough time like three [TS]

00:53:33   lines there's no way we can come up with [TS]

00:53:35   three lines that do [TS]

00:53:36   nothing but cause damage this so let's [TS]

00:53:37   just play it like a silent movie show [TS]

00:53:39   him show the six dollars shows just have [TS]

00:53:41   you know two lines with him and con and [TS]

00:53:43   it it's the like I don't know if it [TS]

00:53:45   worked that well even in the silent mode [TS]

00:53:47   but I applaud them for finding a [TS]

00:53:49   creative solution to getting these plot [TS]

00:53:51   points and not exercising that plotline [TS]

00:53:53   entirely because i was another option [TS]

00:53:54   because you got a whole lot about the [TS]

00:53:55   movie to fit in here but to have it in [TS]

00:53:57   there and still have to be affecting and [TS]

00:53:59   moving and interesting and exciting when [TS]

00:54:00   the little ring blows up and all that [TS]

00:54:01   stuff with almost no dialogue it was it [TS]

00:54:04   was kinda like the opening section on up [TS]

00:54:05   you know with no speaking part i was [TS]

00:54:08   thinking it's almost a montage to music [TS]

00:54:10   and i agree i tanned in Jason mentioned [TS]

00:54:13   the music there and I know a couple [TS]

00:54:14   people were mentioned on twitter before [TS]

00:54:16   we start talking about this that they [TS]

00:54:17   want to talk about the music i will say [TS]

00:54:19   that that q is very it's very unlike the [TS]

00:54:23   rest of the music from this movie or the [TS]

00:54:25   previous yes you get this piano you soft [TS]

00:54:28   piano music playing and yet it's [TS]

00:54:29   incredibly effective if for what it is [TS]

00:54:33   and it's one of the cues that stands out [TS]

00:54:36   more to me in this movie much as I like [TS]

00:54:39   a lot of the cno's work for the score is [TS]

00:54:42   pretty good especially some of the main [TS]

00:54:44   themes but I'm sort of mixed on his work [TS]

00:54:47   overall yeah he he this is i read a [TS]

00:54:51   review of the the inductor soundtrack [TS]

00:54:53   but said it's like the expansion pack [TS]

00:54:55   for the original soundtrack and that's [TS]

00:54:57   about right right i mean it's he's gonna [TS]

00:54:59   go use his themes that he already had [TS]

00:55:02   and he's added some some more in and I [TS]

00:55:04   you know I bought the soundtrack and I [TS]

00:55:05   like it but it is in some ways it's much [TS]

00:55:08   more than saying it's hampering some [TS]

00:55:10   ways by the same also by the problem [TS]

00:55:12   with the original which was that if you [TS]

00:55:13   bought the original soundtrack there was [TS]

00:55:15   actually that deluxe edition i think ben [TS]

00:55:16   boychuk actually turned me on to that [TS]

00:55:18   was there was like a double disc version [TS]

00:55:19   which is much better because it's [TS]

00:55:21   actually flushed out rather than being [TS]

00:55:23   these vary at times random and [TS]

00:55:25   disjointed Q's right but overall I mean [TS]

00:55:27   he doesn't really hold up if you put him [TS]

00:55:29   up against someone to me like John [TS]

00:55:31   Williams where you can listen to a john [TS]

00:55:33   williams sku in a vacuum and it's a [TS]

00:55:36   fantastic piece of music whether or not [TS]

00:55:39   it's applied to film where is the sequel [TS]

00:55:41   like there's no Imperial March in this [TS]

00:55:44   movie like it you know follow up the [TS]

00:55:45   soundtrack to star wars with a [TS]

00:55:46   soundtrack that has some song is iconic [TS]

00:55:49   the imperial march like that's a tall [TS]

00:55:50   order and I think he's doing well to [TS]

00:55:53   have like the first movie I think he's [TS]

00:55:55   landed solidly on both feet with a theme [TS]

00:55:59   that was both like a recognizable star [TS]

00:56:02   trek but not simply a restatement of the [TS]

00:56:04   original song and that you know that [TS]

00:56:05   segues into it in the end is your little [TS]

00:56:07   reward and they just continue that in a [TS]

00:56:09   competent manner in this movie i think [TS]

00:56:11   is a reasonable achievement and it may [TS]

00:56:13   be too much to ask for him to like me to [TS]

00:56:15   do throw another amazing song in their [TS]

00:56:18   out of nowhere most star trek movie [TS]

00:56:20   scores have found a you know their take [TS]

00:56:23   on a Star Trek theme and then when [TS]

00:56:25   they've done other Star Trek movies they [TS]

00:56:27   use that again that was true with with [TS]

00:56:30   your Goldsmith and was true with James [TS]

00:56:31   Horner and and you know that's sort of [TS]

00:56:34   been how they do it [TS]

00:56:35   yes so some nice work but overall maybe [TS]

00:56:37   not that it does a great supporting job [TS]

00:56:39   yeah I like the I like a Star Trek theme [TS]

00:56:41   a lot like oh yeah i agree we're here is [TS]

00:56:43   the best part of it [TS]

00:56:44   yeah I i love how his Star Trek theme [TS]

00:56:47   weaves in and out of the original theme [TS]

00:56:49   yes and it I mean it just fits and I [TS]

00:56:53   liked hearing that here too [TS]

00:56:55   I and again i might think the original [TS]

00:56:58   film had a better score but i just love [TS]

00:57:04   how they weave in and out of each other [TS]

00:57:05   yeah i mean pic yeah I was a big demand [TS]

00:57:07   yeah I mentioned uh that this i think a [TS]

00:57:11   proposal absolute two or three whatever [TS]

00:57:13   the one we did with Ben was own moves [TS]

00:57:15   that movie scores that actually Star [TS]

00:57:18   Trek the motion picture [TS]

00:57:19   despite being kind of a terrible [TS]

00:57:20   invisible movie The Times has a [TS]

00:57:22   fantastic sore because it's your goals [TS]

00:57:23   with who is too is a master and this to [TS]

00:57:26   me if you put these two things exchequer [TS]

00:57:28   I'd say well i really like to quino's [TS]

00:57:29   theme but a goldsmith i would have to [TS]

00:57:31   give props and just like every every [TS]

00:57:33   piece on that works so well even if you [TS]

00:57:37   don't care about the movie like you can [TS]

00:57:39   I listen to that score sometimes and of [TS]

00:57:41   itself and i haven't seen the Star Trek [TS]

00:57:42   the motion picture and 15 20 years and I [TS]

00:57:46   still know i can still evocative and it [TS]

00:57:48   still works the problem of the Goldsmith [TS]

00:57:49   stuff is that is that he scored star [TS]

00:57:52   trek one and struck five right and so [TS]

00:57:54   there's good music and bad movies and [TS]

00:57:57   then made and then it was the next [TS]

00:57:58   generation theme which means it's sort [TS]

00:58:00   of like marked for all time as being the [TS]

00:58:02   starter [TS]

00:58:02   the next generation theme so that they [TS]

00:58:04   couldn't they couldn't reference that in [TS]

00:58:06   a movie like this because it's you know [TS]

00:58:08   it was taken away and it's fine to [TS]

00:58:11   canvas again his theme is is excellent i [TS]

00:58:13   really like it it's very catchy it does [TS]

00:58:15   a great job of setting the scene and the [TS]

00:58:17   tone and is very distinct and I think [TS]

00:58:20   David was saying making a point [TS]

00:58:21   it's it's clearly a star trek the more [TS]

00:58:24   clearly a theme that has like a modules [TS]

00:58:26   to the past but is is is appropriate for [TS]

00:58:29   this different universe and timeline [TS]

00:58:33   that we're in a little more Marshall [TS]

00:58:35   it's got a little more of a march going [TS]

00:58:36   on you know there's there's a little [TS]

00:58:38   more adventure element to it rather than [TS]

00:58:40   being sort of sixties and sci-fi right [TS]

00:58:42   now and then it's also got that mournful [TS]

00:58:44   element because it's you know it's like [TS]

00:58:46   I think the first time you start to hear [TS]

00:58:48   is when Kirk's father dies and then it's [TS]

00:58:51   the opening of the original one arm as [TS]

00:58:55   it it's just lovely [TS]

00:58:56   one of the things I really like about [TS]

00:58:58   gia quino's scores for this and for the [TS]

00:59:01   mission impossible 3 and 4 guess it's [TS]

00:59:04   not really called for Ghost Protocol [TS]

00:59:07   whatever is that they they pay really [TS]

00:59:11   nice homage to the original themes and [TS]

00:59:15   the original styles and again they're [TS]

00:59:18   there maybe not cohesive scores that you [TS]

00:59:20   would just listen to on their own but [TS]

00:59:23   the different elements are really nice [TS]

00:59:24   and they fit and yeah they just sort of [TS]

00:59:28   fit these different elements of the [TS]

00:59:30   story especially mission impossible i [TS]

00:59:32   think those actually might be better [TS]

00:59:34   scores than the the track ones [TS]

00:59:37   hello again this i love the trek theme [TS]

00:59:39   better than anything in the Mission [TS]

00:59:42   Impossible movies there's a difference i [TS]

00:59:44   think with a difference in when you with [TS]

00:59:46   this type of movie they were talking [TS]

00:59:47   about where the music is underneath the [TS]

00:59:50   action and goes along with it and [TS]

00:59:52   there's a switch that happens when [TS]

00:59:54   the movie changes from like an action [TS]

00:59:57   scene that is scored with music to be [TS]

00:59:57   scene that is scored with music to be [TS]

01:00:00   II a music video for an awesome song way [TS]

01:00:03   that that switch happens when it's like [TS]

01:00:05   an iconic theme or when you picture like [TS]

01:00:08   it's almost as if the movie was [TS]

01:00:10   choreographed to music like the music [TS]

01:00:12   came first and runners made a bunch of [TS]

01:00:13   spaceships that did the others in [TS]

01:00:14   certain scenes you know have that I'm [TS]

01:00:17   just talk about Luke Skywalker you know [TS]

01:00:19   dual sons seen or whatever that is like [TS]

01:00:21   it [TS]

01:00:22   shooting a music video for that for that [TS]

01:00:24   you know swelling movement in this thing [TS]

01:00:26   right or even if it's just something as [TS]

01:00:28   simple as like that the music we can all [TS]

01:00:30   hear when when Lucas aiming a photon [TS]

01:00:32   torpedo haha haha I'm revoking your star [TS]

01:00:37   wars cut [TS]

01:00:37   yeah I have a crossing the stream better [TS]

01:00:39   know it into the exhaust port like we [TS]

01:00:41   can all hear that you know and or any of [TS]

01:00:44   these things work and I another example [TS]

01:00:46   is not from science fiction is like the [TS]

01:00:47   movie Goodfellas where it is it took [TS]

01:00:49   extensive use of pop culture songs that [TS]

01:00:51   we know and they're so dominant in our [TS]

01:00:54   minds that again the movie becomes let's [TS]

01:00:56   just have some video to go along with [TS]

01:00:58   this great song and like make it all [TS]

01:00:59   work together and it's not a crime for [TS]

01:01:01   that not to happen but I mean I think it [TS]

01:01:03   was almost a conscious choice not to do [TS]

01:01:04   that and I think back to you again be [TS]

01:01:06   the word list Mickey bring blowing up [TS]

01:01:08   scenes which were not just scored in a [TS]

01:01:11   more subdued kind of like the way you [TS]

01:01:14   might do a drama or or something but [TS]

01:01:16   also like shot they were more dark and [TS]

01:01:19   depressing as England right whatever but [TS]

01:01:21   Randy and overcast then and kind of like [TS]

01:01:24   different like when is the last time you [TS]

01:01:26   saw some ice a science-fiction movie or [TS]

01:01:29   a star trek for your particular really [TS]

01:01:30   commit to a mood like that like three [TS]

01:01:32   scenes in Iran mean I was president has [TS]

01:01:33   there been a star trek movie that has [TS]

01:01:35   been that dark in that segment both [TS]

01:01:36   literally and like you know figuratively [TS]

01:01:39   and emotionally I I when I think back to [TS]

01:01:42   all the Star Trek movies I think of when [TS]

01:01:43   they're around the campfire in Yosemite [TS]

01:01:45   and start 45 that's yeah that's right [TS]

01:01:47   that's that's a dark moment for other [TS]

01:01:48   reasons its grip [TS]

01:01:50   I don't know about dark yeah deep space [TS]

01:01:51   nine is not a movie but it's pretty [TS]

01:01:53   disturbing but it's regarding the movie [TS]

01:01:55   in the movie franchises it's it's a butt [TS]

01:01:57   shot like a TV sets and yeah maybe [TS]

01:01:59   something in first contest yeah when the [TS]

01:02:01   card is upsetting he breaks his little [TS]

01:02:03   ships Marianne dark yet the mind must be [TS]

01:02:06   drawn here [TS]

01:02:07   yeah okay back to the back to the movie [TS]

01:02:10   here [TS]

01:02:11   contact john harrison sorry i was hired [TS]

01:02:16   Harris uh attacks the the meeting event [TS]

01:02:20   is being held where they have everybody [TS]

01:02:21   which is apparently a godfather three [TS]

01:02:25   yeah Carol you're gonna reference a [TS]

01:02:27   Godfather movie don't make up of three [TS]

01:02:29   all the five ships are there and pike [TS]

01:02:35   dies which is very sad and Kirk is very [TS]

01:02:37   clever and sort of makes cons little [TS]

01:02:40   shuttle sorry carrison Harrison's little [TS]

01:02:42   shuttle blow up we should we should talk [TS]

01:02:44   about the lacs security on Starfleet [TS]

01:02:48   headquarters and thursday and wartime [TS]

01:02:52   and its archives and that's so good [TS]

01:02:54   well he's got a he's got clearance [TS]

01:02:56   obviously but he's he's out there [TS]

01:02:58   shooting stuff for a long time and [TS]

01:03:00   nobody nothin nobody knows by now [TS]

01:03:03   there's a couple guys rifles right who [TS]

01:03:05   get your please be sure we have no [TS]

01:03:07   weapons [TS]

01:03:08   that's right i have lots of weapons that [TS]

01:03:10   are so my next note is actually about [TS]

01:03:15   the about the torpedoes that Scotty [TS]

01:03:18   doesn't want to have the torpedoes on [TS]

01:03:20   the ship and he quits and then Spock [TS]

01:03:22   argue very strongly against the the [TS]

01:03:24   drone strikes against Harrison on on on [TS]

01:03:29   Chronos the Klingon homeworld which they [TS]

01:03:31   misspelled by the way [TS]

01:03:32   well that's the human spelling humans [TS]

01:03:35   it's translates transliterated you don't [TS]

01:03:38   know Klingon yet they haven't learned it [TS]

01:03:39   yet except for oh noes lordosis that's [TS]

01:03:42   it you which is funny because it started [TS]

01:03:44   in Star Trek six were shining and she [TS]

01:03:46   Klingon but yes when I saw this in 3d i [TS]

01:03:49   noticed that the lens flares are also in [TS]

01:03:51   3d and its really doesn't make any sense [TS]

01:03:53   and it's very weird [TS]

01:03:54   okay I don't mind the lens flares in 2d [TS]

01:03:56   and 3d I don't see why they're there [TS]

01:03:59   it's very bad again I mentioned uh [TS]

01:04:02   there's that great scene on the bridge [TS]

01:04:04   where McCoy is repeating metaphorically [TS]

01:04:07   sort of given before and Curtis had [TS]

01:04:09   mouth and orders him to stop having [TS]

01:04:10   metaphors which I i made me laugh so the [TS]

01:04:15   Klingons we should talk about that we [TS]

01:04:17   have we have what i would say is maybe [TS]

01:04:18   the most unnecessary action sequence in [TS]

01:04:21   the movie which is the the spaceship [TS]

01:04:23   chase on the Klingon [TS]

01:04:25   planet where they go through the narrow [TS]

01:04:27   space and will fit will fit that's very [TS]

01:04:29   it's very Star Wars actually sits yeah [TS]

01:04:31   just wanting talking straight out Empire [TS]

01:04:34   yeah but not as well because I don't [TS]

01:04:36   know it advances any of the characters [TS]

01:04:38   to be in that scene like yeah it's the [TS]

01:04:40   only thing is that was under descent [TS]

01:04:42   they have good dialogue but then in the [TS]

01:04:44   action sequence there's kind of nothing [TS]

01:04:45   and they just trying to let off a couple [TS]

01:04:47   of zingers but like you not to give an [TS]

01:04:50   example from Star Wars like wen Han [TS]

01:04:52   Solo's being chased around by the Empire [TS]

01:04:53   and going through all the asteroids and [TS]

01:04:55   everything what's at stake is his like [TS]

01:04:58   he's trying to impress a girl basically [TS]

01:05:00   like he doesn't want to look like he's [TS]

01:05:02   the guy who screwed up and like you know [TS]

01:05:04   it's he feels pressure to successfully [TS]

01:05:07   escaped for reasons that have nothing to [TS]

01:05:08   do with his life and like that that's [TS]

01:05:10   the subtext of that whole chase sequence [TS]

01:05:12   or subtext this one is like he's going [TS]

01:05:14   down on the planet where something's [TS]

01:05:15   gonna happen with a guy I gotta get down [TS]

01:05:17   there any and in between this chase [TS]

01:05:18   scene takes place [TS]

01:05:19   yeah it didn't it didn't really work [TS]

01:05:21   also i don't really understand there's [TS]

01:05:22   this whole thing about it's a it's a an [TS]

01:05:24   empty part of the planet where there was [TS]

01:05:26   a disaster and the moon is kind of blown [TS]

01:05:28   up which is I guess the star trek six [TS]

01:05:30   reference to inconvenience but just [TS]

01:05:31   really make much sense it's never [TS]

01:05:33   explained why have they abandoned why [TS]

01:05:35   the Klingons abandoned part of their [TS]

01:05:36   planets value if the moon is crashing [TS]

01:05:38   into your city you'll probably been like [TS]

01:05:41   yeah but every three days it resets the [TS]

01:05:43   right when you come between remuneration [TS]

01:05:46   photo city doesn't push this and I I [TS]

01:05:49   question Klingon architecture of [TS]

01:05:51   architecture [TS]

01:05:52   yeah the city is where he's he's the [TS]

01:05:55   ship is going through these things it [TS]

01:05:57   doesn't it I found it very confusing [TS]

01:05:59   yeah ya think [TS]

01:06:01   although i did i do like the the look of [TS]

01:06:04   the Klingon bird-of-prey are or whatever [TS]

01:06:06   they are they're little flyer a little [TS]

01:06:08   security flyer things but they've got [TS]

01:06:10   that they've got that sent burp redesign [TS]

01:06:12   yeah and then and so then they end up [TS]

01:06:14   down on the planet and her goes out and [TS]

01:06:16   I think it's a nice scene where Kirk [TS]

01:06:18   although he does a little late is get up [TS]

01:06:20   the guns was like okay she's gonna go [TS]

01:06:22   talk to them here your guns from a butt [TS]

01:06:27   and then there's a fire fight because [TS]

01:06:29   Klingons are warlike and they don't like [TS]

01:06:30   to listen to people and and harrison job [TS]

01:06:33   shoots him up and kills them all and [TS]

01:06:35   then add as a thank you [TS]

01:06:38   Curtis I he's going to give him lots of [TS]

01:06:39   punches yeah that makes sense and i [TS]

01:06:41   actually thought this was not only you [TS]

01:06:43   know obviously showing that he is a [TS]

01:06:44   Superman he's got these amazing [TS]

01:06:46   abilities because he liked the jumps [TS]

01:06:48   like 15 feet at one point she kills all [TS]

01:06:50   the Klingons and that better than one [TS]

01:06:52   Kurt punches him [TS]

01:06:53   it has no effect and I wrote down on my [TS]

01:06:56   little notepad revenge punches do no [TS]

01:06:58   good [TS]

01:06:59   revenge is pointless this is an [TS]

01:07:01   important lesson for Captain Kirk to [TS]

01:07:02   learn don't punch revenge bunches [TS]

01:07:05   ineffective also convery powerful [TS]

01:07:08   although if that was a regular guy those [TS]

01:07:10   punches would have been effective [TS]

01:07:12   yes if if he had just placed his fingers [TS]

01:07:14   together perhaps maybe and used it both [TS]

01:07:17   his hands I think that a little bit more [TS]

01:07:19   fiber pistol-whipping with the phaser i [TS]

01:07:22   did like seeing the batlets in battle [TS]

01:07:24   oh yeah that was nice touch ok so they [TS]

01:07:27   take they take John Harrison yes back to [TS]

01:07:30   the enterprise and put him in the brig [TS]

01:07:32   and which is kind of a neat it's kind of [TS]

01:07:35   a neat set and there's like the little [TS]

01:07:37   hole that you can move around that way [TS]

01:07:39   hasn't seen his arm through which is [TS]

01:07:41   kind of future ii and he's he's very [TS]

01:07:43   Hannibal Lecter e in that scene to you [TS]

01:07:45   know he's standing tall and marching [TS]

01:07:47   around and he's like behind bars and yet [TS]

01:07:49   you're still really terrified of him [TS]

01:07:51   he's he's definitely a caged animal [TS]

01:07:53   which I liked [TS]

01:07:55   it's pretty bad assignment forever has [TS]

01:07:56   to sit in that little desk in the Brig [TS]

01:07:59   well just write yeah that ignore [TS]

01:08:01   everything that's happening [TS]

01:08:02   yeah like the guy and then the alien [TS]

01:08:04   who's got the funny head and they just [TS]

01:08:06   they're just gonna sit there and just [TS]

01:08:08   just wait just something that you guys [TS]

01:08:11   in here yeah yeah that's scary guy might [TS]

01:08:14   break out so don't don't let him do that [TS]

01:08:16   we meet I guess we did this earlier but [TS]

01:08:21   the this is where Carol Marcus becomes [TS]

01:08:23   more important cocks and and this is [TS]

01:08:25   another one of my again if I'm going to [TS]

01:08:27   live i love this movie but i'm going to [TS]

01:08:29   list one of my problems with it i don't [TS]

01:08:30   see the point of Carol Marcus in this [TS]

01:08:32   movie she comes on under assumed name [TS]

01:08:34   because she wants to find out what her [TS]

01:08:35   dad is doing ok and but she doesn't [TS]

01:08:40   what does she do in this movie is she's [TS]

01:08:42   upon at one point in the end game [TS]

01:08:44   yeah but it's not necessary I I felt [TS]

01:08:46   like she was not a necessary character [TS]

01:08:48   while she is necessary for carbon [TS]

01:08:50   eventually but not [TS]

01:08:51   this movie she made a spot jealous she's [TS]

01:08:54   she's there for the underwear so that [TS]

01:08:56   seemed doesn't make any sense let me let [TS]

01:08:58   me ask if you guys can explain this to [TS]

01:09:00   me she and Kirk like go to a [TS]

01:09:01   shuttlecraft that doesn't go anywhere [TS]

01:09:03   and she tells him to not turn around and [TS]

01:09:05   she said she'd like takes off her [TS]

01:09:07   clothes and it's just in her underwear [TS]

01:09:08   and then and then they go back to the [TS]

01:09:11   bridge [TS]

01:09:11   it doesn't I it doesn't make any sense [TS]

01:09:13   are both i think i was his name [TS]

01:09:15   Lindelof didn't authorize already [TS]

01:09:18   apologized as as well he should I think [TS]

01:09:20   that's progress progress will eventually [TS]

01:09:22   be not having seems like that but the [TS]

01:09:24   intermediate step is having the scene [TS]

01:09:26   like that and then feeling embarrassed [TS]

01:09:27   about it and making a public statement [TS]

01:09:28   that you apologized for later and the [TS]

01:09:30   best you could say for it is that at [TS]

01:09:31   least it was brief [TS]

01:09:32   I have no problem with the cat girls [TS]

01:09:34   because they're in there naked and he's [TS]

01:09:36   naked and they're enjoying themselves [TS]

01:09:37   and good for them but this is like why [TS]

01:09:40   there's no reason for it now it's [TS]

01:09:43   embarrassing [TS]

01:09:44   I can cut that out of the blu-ray [TS]

01:09:46   release yeah the Phantom at it will take [TS]

01:09:48   care of that it headed into darkness [TS]

01:09:51   whatever that is so we end up i'm [TS]

01:09:55   skipping some stuff because you know it [TS]

01:09:56   was dark and I didn't want to write a [TS]

01:09:58   lot I i wanted to talk about the the the [TS]

01:10:01   Vengeance i think it is the u.s. fringes [TS]

01:10:05   yeah Admiral Marcus ship which Scotty [TS]

01:10:07   goes and finds they call i am using seen [TS]

01:10:09   again worker call Scotty and Scotty's in [TS]

01:10:12   downtown san francisco at a at a club [TS]

01:10:15   Bob you know with with his little buddy [TS]

01:10:17   cancer and he gets a call and once his [TS]

01:10:19   help and and of course he does it and he [TS]

01:10:21   ends up finding that that over and [TS]

01:10:23   Jupiter behind the moon at Jupiter [TS]

01:10:26   they're building this giant warship I do [TS]

01:10:31   like the contrast thats painted a few [TS]

01:10:33   points in the movie of that the [TS]

01:10:35   enterprise is not even though it gets in [TS]

01:10:38   big battles in these big action movies [TS]

01:10:40   it's not it's an explorer ship we see it [TS]

01:10:42   saving trying to save aliens on a [TS]

01:10:45   far-off planet at the beginning it's not [TS]

01:10:47   lower ship it can be a submarine but [TS]

01:10:49   it's it's not a warship it's for [TS]

01:10:51   exploration like die hard against the [TS]

01:10:52   bruce willis of this movie is a crappy [TS]

01:10:54   as all the time right but but it's not [TS]

01:10:56   meant to just be a weapon of of death [TS]

01:10:59   it's supposed to be annexed exploration [TS]

01:11:00   vehicle and that's what Scotty says when [TS]

01:11:02   he quits and and here is [TS]

01:11:05   the warship right this is the the [TS]

01:11:08   personification or what ship ification [TS]

01:11:10   of of what the enterprise isn't so you [TS]

01:11:14   know and and so I liked that contrast [TS]

01:11:16   also star trek 3 Scott reference here [TS]

01:11:20   which is in star trek 3 Scotty sabotages [TS]

01:11:23   the big fancy ship to save the [TS]

01:11:25   enterprise and here Scotty sabotages the [TS]

01:11:27   big fancy ship again he's got he's [TS]

01:11:29   really gonna break it didn't have a [TS]

01:11:31   triple their food celsior yeah so this [TS]

01:11:33   is like that yeah Scotty it don't get on [TS]

01:11:35   skype his bad side [TS]

01:11:37   Scotty will break Scott Scotty's a [TS]

01:11:39   badass alright i will sneak onto your [TS]

01:11:41   ship and brakes and brake it to someone [TS]

01:11:43   it i like the Excelsior though I was [TS]

01:11:46   gonna be out of our guys that was pretty [TS]

01:11:48   cool [TS]

01:11:49   there's a moment and in this movie [TS]

01:11:50   there's more schools like hey the chair [TS]

01:11:52   it's actually pretty nice so yeah [TS]

01:11:53   another wait for you you'll get there by [TS]

01:11:55   like it's got more shadowing I like this [TS]

01:11:57   scotty broke broke those ships and [TS]

01:12:00   although i know there's a line of [TS]

01:12:01   dialogue where they say that that uh the [TS]

01:12:03   Vengeance is supposed to be run by [TS]

01:12:05   minimal crew but it's like a really big [TS]

01:12:07   ship and Scotty Scotty appears to be [TS]

01:12:10   able to walk for hours and never see [TS]

01:12:13   anybody [TS]

01:12:15   it's true he's not there's no jeopardy [TS]

01:12:17   he's not like duckin behind and and the [TS]

01:12:20   guys are walking down a quarter and he's [TS]

01:12:21   crossing he's literally like do to do to [TS]

01:12:23   do walking through vast stretches of [TS]

01:12:26   Starship and there's nobody there which [TS]

01:12:28   seemed it just seemed that very dramatic [TS]

01:12:30   to be I feel like it i always wonder all [TS]

01:12:33   the people are doing on the enterprise [TS]

01:12:34   but it seems like the only people who [TS]

01:12:36   are important like the people on the [TS]

01:12:37   bridge you flown by 1i sickbay [TS]

01:12:39   yeah and a couple guys in engineering [TS]

01:12:41   even an engineering like what are all [TS]

01:12:42   the other non Scotty people doing [TS]

01:12:43   besides dying tragically occasionally [TS]

01:12:45   they're just taking up oxygen arrested [TS]

01:12:47   sure Scully doesn't sabotage the ship [TS]

01:12:49   yeah right actually accidentally it's [TS]

01:12:51   all about job security i mean look at [TS]

01:12:53   look at a hard time to check off at with [TS]

01:12:55   taking over for Scotty right like he's [TS]

01:12:56   got that straight off arranged in the [TS]

01:12:58   way he likes it [TS]

01:12:59   put on Richards kind of an odd fake too [TS]

01:13:02   I would imagine someone who's like a [TS]

01:13:03   check off you've been shadowing Scotty [TS]

01:13:05   for a while take over this war traffic [TS]

01:13:08   if seem like an odd choice on Kirk's [TS]

01:13:10   part [TS]

01:13:11   how'd you like to be the long-serving [TS]

01:13:13   second-in-command of the engineering [TS]

01:13:15   deck to be told that the the [TS]

01:13:17   the 18 year old kid was going to be your [TS]

01:13:19   boss instead of you Jason russian kid [TS]

01:13:21   he's taking off his genius he's out that [TS]

01:13:24   it's that Kirk he's always going to [TS]

01:13:25   promote the bridge people over over [TS]

01:13:28   everything else [TS]

01:13:29   myopic yeah so they're they're so we [TS]

01:13:32   there's another interesting action [TS]

01:13:35   sequence it's kind of a replay of the [TS]

01:13:36   first movie where they get in little [TS]

01:13:38   suits and zip around and in the debris [TS]

01:13:41   fields between the two ships [TS]

01:13:43   yes you know it's not a bad scene [TS]

01:13:47   although I i'm not sure it isn't kind of [TS]

01:13:49   superfluous it is JJ likes that likes [TS]

01:13:52   those suits he likes traveling really [TS]

01:13:54   fast enough but what I like about this [TS]

01:13:55   part of the movie and it goes back to [TS]

01:13:57   that thing about one of the themes of [TS]

01:13:59   this movie being a question of its not a [TS]

01:14:03   purely polar kind of there's a good guy [TS]

01:14:04   and a bad guy part right well there's a [TS]

01:14:06   great turn in this movie where they take [TS]

01:14:08   on out of the brig ma ma and they take [TS]

01:14:11   him to sick bay and draws blood that [TS]

01:14:12   might be important later mom and and [TS]

01:14:16   then you know there's a moment where [TS]

01:14:18   they realize what Marcus is doing and [TS]

01:14:20   all of a sudden the logical thing to do [TS]

01:14:22   is to work with Khan and i love that [TS]

01:14:26   moment i love the fact that we're in a [TS]

01:14:28   position now we're working with this guy [TS]

01:14:30   who we know is the bad guy the movie [TS]

01:14:32   there's another bad guy in this movie [TS]

01:14:35   too and I i love that there's this whole [TS]

01:14:39   action scene where khan and Kirk are [TS]

01:14:41   trying to help each other survive and [TS]

01:14:42   get to the other ship and then of course [TS]

01:14:45   it turns back on that ship nice i think [TS]

01:14:47   we're helping him but i love the fact [TS]

01:14:49   that this movie is all my going into it [TS]

01:14:52   with I you know I had these expectations [TS]

01:14:54   of its all about that Cumberbatch is the [TS]

01:14:56   bad guy and then in the middle of the [TS]

01:14:57   movie all of a sudden you're like wait a [TS]

01:14:59   second what if he's not really the worst [TS]

01:15:03   guy in this movie are we supposed to [TS]

01:15:05   play will change Jason well no II mean [TS]

01:15:08   he's still a bad guy but he's necessary [TS]

01:15:11   he's got for the good like I mean we got [TS]

01:15:13   the same problem that we have with with [TS]

01:15:15   Marcus which is that his intentions or [TS]

01:15:18   at least the intentions that he presents [TS]

01:15:20   are domestically moral right like he [TS]

01:15:24   wants to save his friends who are have [TS]

01:15:26   all been like frozen in carbonite [TS]

01:15:27   granted him [TS]

01:15:29   carbonite oh yeah i'll type i close [TS]

01:15:33   enough but i mean granted once they get [TS]

01:15:36   out of their torpedoes they might try to [TS]

01:15:38   take another billion galaxies button [TS]

01:15:40   every right now we're talking about you [TS]

01:15:42   know it's still nice [TS]

01:15:43   he wants to help his friends writing in [TS]

01:15:45   that that's what resonates that's how he [TS]

01:15:47   gets curtright what would you do for [TS]

01:15:48   your family is you know he's realized [TS]

01:15:52   exactly where to get coordinated but [TS]

01:15:53   there's clearly a part of that is not [TS]

01:15:55   just if he was really just a bad guy he [TS]

01:15:59   would let all of those people died right [TS]

01:16:02   and just try to like take over the world [TS]

01:16:03   by himself but he's not he's actually [TS]

01:16:07   seems to have some investment in those [TS]

01:16:10   people and that gives him a redemptive [TS]

01:16:12   quality which makes him more interesting [TS]

01:16:16   as a villain or antagonist if you want [TS]

01:16:19   to use that word i thought that was a [TS]

01:16:21   good kirk moment when you know [TS]

01:16:23   Cumberbatch's making his pitch to like [TS]

01:16:25   you know we should work together or [TS]

01:16:27   trust me or let me explain the situation [TS]

01:16:28   and I guess it was a jerk and bones and [TS]

01:16:30   they both turn away from him and walked [TS]

01:16:32   past the camera and Kirk says you know [TS]

01:16:34   know maybe we should like think about it [TS]

01:16:36   shows like Kirk head come back from his [TS]

01:16:39   just being mad want to punch the guy in [TS]

01:16:40   the face to being the sort of canny [TS]

01:16:42   savvy Kirk right always looking at the [TS]

01:16:45   situation and trying to figure things [TS]

01:16:46   out and isn't it completely willing to [TS]

01:16:48   turn on a dime and say he makes a good [TS]

01:16:51   case we should really think about this [TS]

01:16:52   and then bones like all your crazy [TS]

01:16:54   weekend you know trust this guy so that [TS]

01:16:55   that was a good kirk moment that skirt [TS]

01:16:57   can no longer focused on vengeance and [TS]

01:16:59   thinking and thinking about it more [TS]

01:17:00   clearly and knowing how dangerous con is [TS]

01:17:02   but realizing that this situation has [TS]

01:17:06   gotten a lot more complicated know maybe [TS]

01:17:07   he thought it was and yeah it's it is [TS]

01:17:10   good and and you know because like are [TS]

01:17:12   you out of your mama humans [TS]

01:17:14   he's like well you know i'm gonna i'm [TS]

01:17:15   gonna listen to him and but from cons [TS]

01:17:17   perspective he says you know despite you [TS]

01:17:20   trying to punch me and stuff you know [TS]

01:17:23   the reason the basically the reason he [TS]

01:17:25   lets them live is he sees something in [TS]

01:17:29   querque or at least he says that right [TS]

01:17:31   that you're not like Marcus you've got a [TS]

01:17:33   little more sense and part of that is [TS]

01:17:35   yes I can use you but part of that is I [TS]

01:17:37   can trust that you are going to behave [TS]

01:17:39   in a in a [TS]

01:17:41   a more rational way then that other guy [TS]

01:17:43   and that's interesting to the fact that [TS]

01:17:45   Kanye got you Jason to believe like that [TS]

01:17:48   well maybe he's gonna be kind of shows [TS]

01:17:50   like that's because he well I i didn't [TS]

01:17:52   believe that he was gonna be kind of [TS]

01:17:53   good i believe that at that point in the [TS]

01:17:54   film he was less of a threat to me then [TS]

01:17:58   Admiral Marcus was like and I was [TS]

01:18:00   delighted by that way said Khan is not [TS]

01:18:02   the biggest threat in the movie right [TS]

01:18:04   now [TS]

01:18:04   well I mean he really wasn't like it's [TS]

01:18:06   good like he belongs to you he's not the [TS]

01:18:08   immediate his superior intellect is on [TS]

01:18:10   display is he is able to play them like [TS]

01:18:12   you know a musical instrument to get [TS]

01:18:14   essentially what he wants until his IQ [TS]

01:18:17   suddenly drops in the last thing but you [TS]

01:18:18   know right that but they're there are [TS]

01:18:20   their interests are aligned and that was [TS]

01:18:22   interesting that in a in a world of if [TS]

01:18:25   it's just a black-and-white kind of [TS]

01:18:26   moral world he's the bad guy and so he's [TS]

01:18:29   the bad guy but in this moment he's not [TS]

01:18:31   he his interests and Kirk's interests [TS]

01:18:34   are aligned which is they have the [TS]

01:18:35   problem of this other ship and they need [TS]

01:18:37   to do something about it and that i did [TS]

01:18:40   that's what tickled me is that you know [TS]

01:18:42   it wasn't he was he's a bad guy and he's [TS]

01:18:44   gonna do very bad things but at this [TS]

01:18:46   moment we actually need him and he needs [TS]

01:18:48   us [TS]

01:18:49   that's a traditional sort of you know [TS]

01:18:50   it's a trope in some ways right like you [TS]

01:18:52   know Superman needs lex luthor's help do [TS]

01:18:55   something or you know what I mean this [TS]

01:18:57   is a real it's a thing that we see over [TS]

01:18:58   and over in television and comic books [TS]

01:19:00   and all that is there's a time when the [TS]

01:19:02   villain needs to team up with the good [TS]

01:19:04   guys in order to fight a larger threat [TS]

01:19:06   well and I know it's a UH the [TS]

01:19:08   screenwriter said it's the they feature [TS]

01:19:10   they like to have kind of a Hong Kong [TS]

01:19:12   action movie where in that attacked you [TS]

01:19:14   have the two guys who have been pitted [TS]

01:19:15   against each other was suddenly there's [TS]

01:19:16   a larger threat that they have a give [TS]

01:19:19   you a good American example LA [TS]

01:19:20   confidential sure yet another another [TS]

01:19:22   perfect example of these two guys who [TS]

01:19:24   are at odds for like an entire movie at [TS]

01:19:25   the end realized and maybe we actually [TS]

01:19:27   have more in common than we think about [TS]

01:19:28   but yet and knowing that it's Captain [TS]

01:19:30   Kirk and con I think makes it that much [TS]

01:19:33   better right because it's like those two [TS]

01:19:35   guys are going to work together [TS]

01:19:36   alright well I i like them and thus [TS]

01:19:38   began an odd couple [TS]

01:19:40   haha that's right he's a mess and he [TS]

01:19:43   wants to take over the galaxy with his [TS]

01:19:45   superior intellect didn't together [TS]

01:19:49   don't that a bit okay and that are [TS]

01:19:52   mostly superfluous action scene where [TS]

01:19:54   they're flying through space and their [TS]

01:19:55   spacesuits and everything that's a [TS]

01:19:57   that's an example like that scene would [TS]

01:20:00   have been as pointless as the spaceship [TS]

01:20:02   scene but they did add one part that [TS]

01:20:04   actually related back to the story arc [TS]

01:20:06   and the characters which is that a [TS]

01:20:07   certain point they make it they make you [TS]

01:20:09   wonder whether I Kirk has been abandoned [TS]

01:20:12   bike on which would fit with Khan you [TS]

01:20:14   know having tricked you into letting him [TS]

01:20:16   off the ship is now just going to go on [TS]

01:20:17   his own use maybe nobody comes back and [TS]

01:20:19   saves Kirk which makes you really [TS]

01:20:20   question whether he really is you know [TS]

01:20:22   as some intent not that I'm saying that [TS]

01:20:24   justifies the entire scene but at the [TS]

01:20:25   very least there was something that [TS]

01:20:27   happened there sub taxes that had to do [TS]

01:20:29   with like okay advancing the story and [TS]

01:20:31   you know going whatever mostly it was [TS]

01:20:33   like a fly through space and I think it [TS]

01:20:35   was kind of cool looking but it was cool [TS]

01:20:36   yeah yeah I I think that just it just [TS]

01:20:39   decided enough for me i did not mind at [TS]

01:20:42   all I wouldn't have lost that seemed [TS]

01:20:43   before the scene where they're flying [TS]

01:20:45   around on the Klingon homeworld great [TS]

01:20:48   that was a less interesting to see where [TS]

01:20:49   the scene work [TS]

01:20:50   Carol Marcus just taking off her clothes [TS]

01:20:52   for no reason also Scotty gets to suck i [TS]

01:20:54   have the airlock that rather that is [TS]

01:20:56   good and that's why he's a he waits to [TS]

01:20:59   hit the button because he's gotta time [TS]

01:21:00   it right [TS]

01:21:01   well that was nice so what are we left [TS]

01:21:03   with we're left with uh the i would say [TS]

01:21:07   based on the feedback I've gotten over [TS]

01:21:09   the last few weeks of the most [TS]

01:21:11   controversial thing for some people in [TS]

01:21:12   the movie which is this movie decides to [TS]

01:21:15   spend you know III a bunch of people [TS]

01:21:19   have said to me well it's just kind of a [TS]

01:21:21   remake of traffic on which is totally [TS]

01:21:22   isn't it's completely different plot [TS]

01:21:23   there is a 15-minute period where they [TS]

01:21:26   play the effects of the the end of the [TS]

01:21:30   wrath of khan and they and they reverse [TS]

01:21:33   it and Kirk makes the decision to [TS]

01:21:34   sacrifice himself to get the engine's [TS]

01:21:36   going so that the ship doesn't crash [TS]

01:21:38   into the into the ocean and I i heard [TS]

01:21:43   people say well that's very unoriginal [TS]

01:21:44   wear for me it's like well I for me it's [TS]

01:21:47   an homage it's a reference its dramatic [TS]

01:21:49   but at the same time it's fascinating [TS]

01:21:51   about how it plays out in the opposite [TS]

01:21:53   direction [TS]

01:21:54   I thought it was funny the wrath of khan [TS]

01:21:55   is one of my favorite movies of all time [TS]

01:21:57   and when i watch this I didn't think all [TS]

01:21:59   again is nothing sacred [TS]

01:22:01   they should they shouldn't [TS]

01:22:02   brought over that ground instead I [TS]

01:22:04   watched and I was like oh this is so [TS]

01:22:05   great they are they are taking the wrath [TS]

01:22:07   of khan and then they're doing they're [TS]

01:22:09   spinning it and they're changing it and [TS]

01:22:10   they're doing some different stuff with [TS]

01:22:11   it in the context of this movie and it's [TS]

01:22:13   only like 10 or 15 minutes where it [TS]

01:22:16   lines up and otherwise it's a very [TS]

01:22:18   different movie i'm curious what you [TS]

01:22:19   guys all thought of that it got me and I [TS]

01:22:21   i think i got really wrapped up in the [TS]

01:22:23   movie at this point i was really [TS]

01:22:24   interested i guess i was invested [TS]

01:22:26   because I had a moment where you know [TS]

01:22:28   you they Telegraph ok [TS]

01:22:30   the engines there's the glass door right [TS]

01:22:33   where the radiation sign on it and my [TS]

01:22:35   first thought was well put Spock's up on [TS]

01:22:37   the bridge they're never going to get [TS]

01:22:38   him down here in time like that's going [TS]

01:22:40   to be super convoluted if they have to [TS]

01:22:41   get him down here so we can fix this and [TS]

01:22:43   died and then i had that like you know [TS]

01:22:45   oh wait no they're gonna do the opposite [TS]

01:22:47   they're gonna have Kirko in which I [TS]

01:22:48   thought huh well that's interesting [TS]

01:22:51   because they had done there was so much [TS]

01:22:53   speculation because they had that scene [TS]

01:22:55   that shot in the trailer right but no [TS]

01:22:58   but they didn't because it's miss [TS]

01:23:00   direction it's like that's what that for [TS]

01:23:02   me that was working on mine said you [TS]

01:23:03   were in i would have preferred not to [TS]

01:23:05   have seen that part of the I was ok I [TS]

01:23:07   was ok with it because it it it got me [TS]

01:23:09   thinking of okay clearly there's [TS]

01:23:11   something in here that is a no Maj to [TS]

01:23:13   star trek to but it didn't it never [TS]

01:23:15   occurred to me that maybe because I'm [TS]

01:23:16   maybe I'm dumb [TS]

01:23:17   maybe but he never never occurred to me [TS]

01:23:19   a million years that they would go in [TS]

01:23:20   the other direction and again you know [TS]

01:23:24   Jason points out that the the sacrifice [TS]

01:23:26   the mirror and obviously this is an [TS]

01:23:28   obvious you know a part of that and the [TS]

01:23:31   major part of that in this movie is Kirk [TS]

01:23:33   literally sacrificing himself to save [TS]

01:23:35   everybody and I was so wrapped up in it [TS]

01:23:39   in fact that i usually I'm pretty good [TS]

01:23:41   at catching plot points when they [TS]

01:23:43   foreshadow things like but i really had [TS]

01:23:45   a moment of huh [TS]

01:23:47   they're really gonna kill Kirk huh like [TS]

01:23:49   well make the next movie really think [TS]

01:23:51   we'd maybe this is what had that's fine [TS]

01:23:54   but and I'm not a unitary JJ Abrams is [TS]

01:23:57   also not a guy who tries away from [TS]

01:23:59   killing Kim major characters but I and I [TS]

01:24:02   just I had forgotten all about despite [TS]

01:24:05   the fact in retrospect I look back and [TS]

01:24:06   like there's that one scene that's [TS]

01:24:08   really really it's kind of awkwardly [TS]

01:24:10   painful with the bones what you doing [TS]

01:24:12   with that with good cosplay triple yeah [TS]

01:24:14   well why do you have that [TS]

01:24:16   had trouble on your desk I'm injecting [TS]

01:24:17   and bring it back to life [TS]

01:24:19   that's that that's the moment I was [TS]

01:24:21   called back to the what it's wayne's [TS]

01:24:23   world where there's that line of like uh [TS]

01:24:25   he told us his entire itinerary it [TS]

01:24:27   seemed extraneous at the time and and [TS]

01:24:30   this is that moment where the second [TS]

01:24:31   time i watched like he's literally in [TS]

01:24:33   this totally taught scene with Khan [TS]

01:24:37   right and then inequitable FTW let me [TS]

01:24:40   just look suppose this is what's the [TS]

01:24:41   deal with the trouble is like what this [TS]

01:24:44   is this is how we do science of the [TS]

01:24:46   enterprise I just reject random things [TS]

01:24:48   instead triple its badly executed [TS]

01:24:50   because it's it bugs me because it shows [TS]

01:24:54   a lack of credit being given to the [TS]

01:24:56   audience because we saw con take his [TS]

01:24:59   blood out tops on Mickey Smith from [TS]

01:25:02   Doctor Who put it in his daughters thing [TS]

01:25:03   his daughter gets better we get it right [TS]

01:25:06   we don't need to see the triple thing [TS]

01:25:07   right right [TS]

01:25:08   it smacks of a studio note like mad [TS]

01:25:11   people really going to know that people [TS]

01:25:13   you know are it's really going to be [TS]

01:25:14   smart enough they want to fit the [TS]

01:25:16   triples and it's like everyone's [TS]

01:25:17   troubles we gotta put them in somewhere [TS]

01:25:19   but we saw McCoy inject the blood into [TS]

01:25:20   the triple as like a test that we didn't [TS]

01:25:23   need the what are you doing with the [TS]

01:25:24   triple well I that's that's what strikes [TS]

01:25:27   me as odd about it was that it felt so [TS]

01:25:29   blatant it was too and it seems like [TS]

01:25:31   something that was tacked on later right [TS]

01:25:33   you know and so you could cut that and [TS]

01:25:35   you know i mean there are numerous plot [TS]

01:25:37   holes then like as i was talking to [TS]

01:25:39   occasional and comfortable panels Tony [TS]

01:25:41   sindelar about this the other day but [TS]

01:25:43   he's like I mean you got like 70 other [TS]

01:25:45   guys on board with blood like try to get [TS]

01:25:47   like borrow blood for them they're all [TS]

01:25:49   frozen there yet but they take a guy out [TS]

01:25:51   of the tube to procure can do anything [TS]

01:25:52   on a farm and then and there are no [TS]

01:25:54   microwave person i'm sure they would [TS]

01:25:56   have tried that if they didn't get the [TS]

01:25:58   con blood but they gotta cut get on [TS]

01:26:00   what's available [TS]

01:26:01   he's right and they also point out that [TS]

01:26:02   they can't kill him it's like i'm pretty [TS]

01:26:03   sure you can get blood out of him he's [TS]

01:26:05   dead phone strike all the bloody yeah [TS]

01:26:08   that's true it's it's it's true [TS]

01:26:11   turns out this car but makes a great [TS]

01:26:13   cockpit so I a couple of comments from [TS]

01:26:17   some of our our star trek doubters in [TS]

01:26:19   the in the chat room which is which is [TS]

01:26:20   great which is a they're saying they [TS]

01:26:23   didn't like Kirk sacrificing himself [TS]

01:26:25   because they felt it was empty and what [TS]

01:26:27   i would say that is correct things he [TS]

01:26:29   said [TS]

01:26:29   fighting himself we know if we're smart [TS]

01:26:31   that he's not but the point is that the [TS]

01:26:33   character is making that decision it is [TS]

01:26:36   it is interesting to see the [TS]

01:26:37   ramifications of that also my kids [TS]

01:26:39   thought he was going to die [TS]

01:26:41   my kids were very upset of that boo [TS]

01:26:43   because they didn't realize what was [TS]

01:26:44   going to happen and in the end you know [TS]

01:26:47   I think that's in any franchise movie [TS]

01:26:51   with a strong protagonist I'm not gonna [TS]

01:26:53   kill him [TS]

01:26:54   I mean I'm sorry they're never gonna [TS]

01:26:55   kill him so really you know the point is [TS]

01:26:58   that the character makes that decision [TS]

01:26:59   not that the audience is thinking oh my [TS]

01:27:02   god kevin Brooks and i right now because [TS]

01:27:04   I mean I I wondered if they'd kill check [TS]

01:27:06   off maybe but I doesn't like a big [TS]

01:27:08   scaffolding fell on [TS]

01:27:09   okay well and it's not i mean the issue [TS]

01:27:13   is Kirk doesn't go in thinking it's ok [TS]

01:27:15   if I die in there they can just inject [TS]

01:27:17   that one and I'll be fine i'll be [TS]

01:27:19   resurrected you know you know speaking [TS]

01:27:21   speaking of that sacrificing even though [TS]

01:27:24   I saw it coming and knew how they were [TS]

01:27:25   going to revive him the one thing that [TS]

01:27:27   sold it to me was like well two things [TS]

01:27:31   what one if you're a super star trek fan [TS]

01:27:33   and it's annoying you I try to get into [TS]

01:27:34   the mindset by thinking about how I [TS]

01:27:36   would've felt if like Luke told later [TS]

01:27:38   that he was his father you know thank [TS]

01:27:40   you for reading was not so clever it's a [TS]

01:27:42   role reversal aren't you getting guys [TS]

01:27:43   but that would be nonsensical just make [TS]

01:27:45   some sense in the thing that sold it to [TS]

01:27:47   me is that after this play out exactly [TS]

01:27:49   how I thought it would and I was [TS]

01:27:51   slightly annoyed about seeing in the [TS]

01:27:52   trailer spot yelling con at the end of [TS]

01:27:55   it for whatever reason ice that didn't [TS]

01:27:57   think that would happen and that sold it [TS]

01:27:59   for me because i would expect if the [TS]

01:28:00   roles were reversed that surely Spock's [TS]

01:28:03   reaction would be more subdued the Turks [TS]

01:28:07   and instead they went the other [TS]

01:28:08   direction where I think it was more [TS]

01:28:09   over-the-top then maybe it's just the [TS]

01:28:11   framing and then the scoring and and [TS]

01:28:14   that fits with the new Spock who really [TS]

01:28:16   was sold especially in the first movie [TS]

01:28:18   is just this tortured soul was really [TS]

01:28:20   trying to keep it together here who [TS]

01:28:21   really does feel more deeply than humans [TS]

01:28:24   do and but can't control it like it four [TS]

01:28:25   hundred percent of all can you can and [TS]

01:28:27   once he yelled that out a sauce on the [TS]

01:28:29   chat room yelling about that saying how [TS]

01:28:31   is like Vader's know it's so far from [TS]

01:28:33   that that that outburst fit with his [TS]

01:28:36   character and sold me that sequence and [TS]

01:28:38   I said okay now i buy it you can bring [TS]

01:28:40   it back now I like to think of this is [TS]

01:28:42   he boosts [TS]

01:28:42   yeah he's very i know i know i like that [TS]

01:28:46   it gave me gave me a little bit [TS]

01:28:47   goosebump I don't know it works for me i [TS]

01:28:49   agree with John he's a good Yeller [TS]

01:28:51   I thought it was a little bit silly well [TS]

01:28:53   the original conscripts with that silly [TS]

01:28:54   but it's true everything we also risk [TS]

01:28:56   mythologizing the Old star trek and [TS]

01:28:59   saying this new thing doesn't live up to [TS]

01:29:01   it when nothing that would necessarily [TS]

01:29:03   live up to the to the class i mean that [TS]

01:29:05   these characters and these actors don't [TS]

01:29:07   have the same history that the the [TS]

01:29:11   original characters did right so it's [TS]

01:29:12   not going to have the same impact but [TS]

01:29:15   that's fine i think it's clever and it's [TS]

01:29:16   a clever reworking of something that's [TS]

01:29:19   familiar and it was fun to see and it [TS]

01:29:21   made sense in the context of the movie [TS]

01:29:23   and people just need to chill out [TS]

01:29:25   yeah comment down people yeah [TS]

01:29:29   get a life that you missed that one more [TS]

01:29:32   slightly unnecessary action scene where [TS]

01:29:33   they're jumping on top of like red [TS]

01:29:35   garbage trucks since in is floating [TS]

01:29:38   garbage trucks and sparkles chasing [TS]

01:29:39   conducts that's after I was that later [TS]

01:29:42   with it like that I felt like we don't [TS]

01:29:44   need you to jump from vehicles that we [TS]

01:29:47   don't understand other vehicles that we [TS]

01:29:48   don't understand point each other the [TS]

01:29:49   scene could take place in a more [TS]

01:29:50   compressed yeah manner [TS]

01:29:52   yeah was it was also the unnecessarily [TS]

01:29:55   complex thing sort of like at the end of [TS]

01:29:58   the first movie where where they're [TS]

01:30:00   jumping around on the different [TS]

01:30:01   platforms and stuff where it's like [TS]

01:30:02   really is this in the future in San [TS]

01:30:04   Francisco is this how we're going to [TS]

01:30:05   deal with garbage or moving Freight I'm [TS]

01:30:07   was the all you needed was a soundstage [TS]

01:30:09   the paper mache rocks [TS]

01:30:10   yeah exactly exactly so there's a fight [TS]

01:30:13   and a hora beams down and they based [TS]

01:30:17   uncon a bunch of times and he gives him [TS]

01:30:19   the little pinch and and there's [TS]

01:30:21   actually a funny good moment I think [TS]

01:30:23   we're work on is trying to squeeze [TS]

01:30:25   squeeze squeeze box head to the cops and [TS]

01:30:28   spot gives him a little like a mind-meld [TS]

01:30:30   thing like to transfer the pain he's [TS]

01:30:33   feeling and cons like how we know yikes [TS]

01:30:35   and that was huh wow I did not realize [TS]

01:30:38   never so much i will stop doing that to [TS]

01:30:40   be yeah you know that sorry that's wrong [TS]

01:30:42   I I apology [TS]

01:30:43   well if if my head hurts when I squeeze [TS]

01:30:45   your head then I'm not gonna do that [TS]

01:30:47   because that's so then he tries to link [TS]

01:30:49   breaks box and so no more this hand [TS]

01:30:51   business you don't have any hand in my [TS]

01:30:55   face and [TS]

01:30:55   exactly and that and and and so to go to [TS]

01:31:01   the the very end I'm also amused that [TS]

01:31:04   they just put them all back in the [TS]

01:31:06   freezer and I I actually kind of like [TS]

01:31:08   that because it's almost like it's not [TS]

01:31:09   the same obviously but it's almost like [TS]

01:31:12   the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark where [TS]

01:31:14   it's like we're going to file them away [TS]

01:31:15   and I'm sure [TS]

01:31:17   first off I'm sure he'll never be woken [TS]

01:31:20   up again no and also i'm sure nobody [TS]

01:31:24   will say hey where did the guy who has [TS]

01:31:26   the blood that brings people back to [TS]

01:31:27   life wit it's a shame that he died right [TS]

01:31:30   he died right [TS]

01:31:31   he didn't die what did we find him under [TS]

01:31:33   three sea bass magic blood is that we [TS]

01:31:35   have is under am blood come up magic [TS]

01:31:38   they don't really need the bloody where [TS]

01:31:40   the right be synthesized like McCoy [TS]

01:31:42   synthesize some kind of resurrection [TS]

01:31:44   serum may dramatically everyone [TS]

01:31:46   Starfleet is a mortal man universe is [TS]

01:31:48   immortal [TS]

01:31:49   I also said they will forget completely [TS]

01:31:50   about his blood caring people and that [TS]

01:31:53   will not be a plot point future movies [TS]

01:31:55   where he's revived until Star Trek the [TS]

01:31:56   return of Khan wear then that will be [TS]

01:31:58   the reason he's revived right well I [TS]

01:32:00   mean maybe but they'll have a scene [TS]

01:32:02   where they're they're having a battle on [TS]

01:32:03   a spaceship where gravity is suspended [TS]

01:32:05   in those drops that will be floating and [TS]

01:32:07   I through so any other any other [TS]

01:32:13   thoughts about into darkness sounds like [TS]

01:32:14   everybody liked it [TS]

01:32:16   I of course I didn't invite the people i [TS]

01:32:17   know who didn't like it so good today I [TS]

01:32:20   mean generally I mean it gets got the [TS]

01:32:22   John syracuse the seal of approval folks [TS]

01:32:23   you can't argue with that ending [TS]

01:32:25   sequence where like I felt that was [TS]

01:32:26   going a little bit too long we're like [TS]

01:32:27   now the ship is falling and now the [TS]

01:32:29   thing is gonna crash in san francisco [TS]

01:32:30   had a little bit of multiple endings [TS]

01:32:32   disease but my great gauging enough and [TS]

01:32:34   especially once these are fighting on [TS]

01:32:35   the garbage trucks whatever they were [TS]

01:32:36   that that could have been tightened up a [TS]

01:32:38   little bit and realize i feel like there [TS]

01:32:39   was just so much in this movie that I [TS]

01:32:42   you know I give them thumbs up for [TS]

01:32:44   trying to wedge the movie scenes in the [TS]

01:32:45   beginning but I would have liked them to [TS]

01:32:47   tighten up the end a little bit as well [TS]

01:32:48   but don't forget the other modules that [TS]

01:32:50   we saw floating around including Carol [TS]

01:32:52   Marcus like it's good to have family [TS]

01:32:53   right [TS]

01:32:54   nudge nudge at the very end and also I [TS]

01:32:58   like to the reference to their [TS]

01:33:00   references to nurse Chapel we believe [TS]

01:33:03   was major Barrett's character in the [TS]

01:33:04   original correct [TS]

01:33:06   hey it's matt and section 31 inches deep [TS]

01:33:09   space nine reference and Harry Mudd [TS]

01:33:11   right buddy [TS]

01:33:13   Yeah Yeah right mud the mud incident [TS]

01:33:16   right so that makes also the scene at [TS]

01:33:19   the very end where they get recruited [TS]

01:33:22   for the Avengers I thought haha of [TS]

01:33:25   people lies that the end of every movie [TS]

01:33:27   after the credits samuel jackson shows [TS]

01:33:29   up as nick fury and invite them to join [TS]

01:33:31   the offenders [TS]

01:33:32   you know that the chat room seems to [TS]

01:33:34   demand that we talked about the [TS]

01:33:35   situation sauce skype session [TS]

01:33:37   yes oh and one of one of the complaints [TS]

01:33:39   that I heard after the first movie was [TS]

01:33:41   isn't cold spot going to sit down and [TS]

01:33:44   write like okay here's who you need to [TS]

01:33:45   worry about and and so we get that scene [TS]

01:33:48   in here where he says no no I'm not [TS]

01:33:50   gonna tell you you need to have your own [TS]

01:33:52   destiny [TS]

01:33:53   however battalion said just this one [TS]

01:33:56   time just this one here's what you do [TS]

01:33:58   incidentally is the only time I appear [TS]

01:34:00   in this movie but I'm just saying just [TS]

01:34:01   this one I would love to have seen a [TS]

01:34:03   blooper reel where it's like now I won't [TS]

01:34:05   tell you anything about your destiny but [TS]

01:34:07   there's this guy khan and then like Oh [TS]

01:34:09   be left to see some box wearing up with [TS]

01:34:12   something like son of up [TS]

01:34:14   yeah and and before I go wales just [TS]

01:34:17   catch it [TS]

01:34:19   make sure you have to keep a few on hand [TS]

01:34:20   they're surprisingly handy [TS]

01:34:22   you guys should really take care of the [TS]

01:34:24   way home [TS]

01:34:26   yeah is there a planet somewhere that [TS]

01:34:27   has Wales because you should bring them [TS]

01:34:29   back if a guy shows up and tell you that [TS]

01:34:31   he's God and wants your ships a no-no [TS]

01:34:34   does not need to start also that [TS]

01:34:37   Sidewalk guy not my brother [TS]

01:34:39   so it's a bummer for you don't let me [TS]

01:34:42   feel your pain [TS]

01:34:42   yeah I I thought it was I thought was [TS]

01:34:44   fine i I didn't think we need to see old [TS]

01:34:45   spark again but at that point in the [TS]

01:34:47   movie when everything is very tense it's [TS]

01:34:48   actually kind of funny I didn't mind it [TS]

01:34:51   it's nice to see Leonard Nimoy again I I [TS]

01:34:53   think I see a chair of to spark dynamic [TS]

01:34:56   is actually pretty amusing but I didn't [TS]

01:34:58   think it was necessary but I thought [TS]

01:34:59   that was one of those cases where people [TS]

01:35:01   who wanna ask what about the old Sparky [TS]

01:35:04   knows everything [TS]

01:35:05   this was an example of them trying to [TS]

01:35:07   address one of those points i like the [TS]

01:35:09   idea that he's having a conversation [TS]

01:35:10   with himself on a bridge in plain view [TS]

01:35:12   of like 20 crew members who all have all [TS]

01:35:14   got to be going [TS]

01:35:15   what the hell is going on there to [TS]

01:35:18   sparks [TS]

01:35:19   that come what what what also i just [TS]

01:35:21   love that Leonard Nimoy retire has [TS]

01:35:23   retired about 74 talking to my keeps [TS]

01:35:27   coming back they said he said read those [TS]

01:35:29   lines for his bathroom [TS]

01:35:30   nobody retires like like that anymore [TS]

01:35:32   yeah that was just skype call to New [TS]

01:35:35   Vulcan he's always inspect Leonard [TS]

01:35:37   Nimoy's always bring Spock makeup just [TS]

01:35:39   no matter where you travel when Chris [TS]

01:35:41   Pine was talking when Curtis talking [TS]

01:35:43   about are now i guess it was spot was [TS]

01:35:45   talking about i'll get the development [TS]

01:35:47   home or the new new Vulcan or whatever [TS]

01:35:48   that is on the line or whatever I was [TS]

01:35:50   hoping that they were going to rope in [TS]

01:35:53   the remainder of the Vulcans into the [TS]

01:35:55   main plot line of the story and I was [TS]

01:35:56   disappointed when I said I was just [TS]

01:35:58   calling themselves calling spot this is [TS]

01:35:59   Bob himself once it was him and that [TS]

01:36:02   like I if if that was always going to be [TS]

01:36:04   there i would just be perfectly happy to [TS]

01:36:06   have that scene and that i am then [TS]

01:36:09   Spock's idea of contacting the Balkans [TS]

01:36:10   completely cut out of the movie [TS]

01:36:11   yeah yeah it was not necessary it was [TS]

01:36:14   nice and all but it wasn't necessary but [TS]

01:36:16   you're right i think the ending was the [TS]

01:36:17   was the sloppiest part did anybody else [TS]

01:36:22   want to give you render their final [TS]

01:36:24   judgment I i liked it i mean it's it's [TS]

01:36:28   two movies in a row where I've walked [TS]

01:36:30   out [TS]

01:36:30   bouncing and ready to see the next [TS]

01:36:32   episode next week [TS]

01:36:33   yeah which I never would have thought [TS]

01:36:35   before the first one and you know i i'm [TS]

01:36:40   i'm also i'm very critical when I go see [TS]

01:36:42   stuff because I'll think we'll see how [TS]

01:36:44   would i have written it and it's it's [TS]

01:36:47   sort of beard to me that these have been [TS]

01:36:50   immune to my critic critical nature [TS]

01:36:54   especially this one because again you [TS]

01:36:58   know we went as the whole family and I'm [TS]

01:36:59   sitting there with the kids and one of [TS]

01:37:02   my favorite memories of last summer was [TS]

01:37:04   showing the kids wrath of khan for the [TS]

01:37:07   first time and they had no warning of it [TS]

01:37:10   they had no idea about Spock's death or [TS]

01:37:13   anything and you know we're watching the [TS]

01:37:16   movie they're enjoying it in the living [TS]

01:37:17   room is dark and at the end of the movie [TS]

01:37:19   I look over and my eleven-year-old is it [TS]

01:37:22   just completely in tears and I went oh [TS]

01:37:27   my god that's what it was like 30 years [TS]

01:37:28   ago [TS]

01:37:29   and so watching this one is the same [TS]

01:37:31   kind of things like I wonder what where [TS]

01:37:34   he's going to react and they start [TS]

01:37:35   getting into the you know Kirk [TS]

01:37:38   sacrificing himself and the glass and I [TS]

01:37:42   we are friends and all that and I look [TS]

01:37:45   over and he's he's sitting there he goes [TS]

01:37:47   wow that's like wrath of khan ya think [TS]

01:37:52   well already okay my kids my kids I [TS]

01:37:55   showed him around the con and they don't [TS]

01:37:56   remember it they're like well I guess [TS]

01:37:58   we're gonna watch it again you know that [TS]

01:38:00   was like Rafa comment like that which [TS]

01:38:01   one is that are not the one with whales [TS]

01:38:04   it's one with God if we did we'd watch [TS]

01:38:06   the one with the whales but Scott your [TS]

01:38:08   verdict [TS]

01:38:08   i speaking as a tried-and-true Star Trek [TS]

01:38:12   fan i was satisfied with it I I mean [TS]

01:38:15   I've read a lot of people listing link [TS]

01:38:18   these things like you know [TS]

01:38:20   coldfusion wouldn't freeze a volt yeah [TS]

01:38:23   you know I'm like well warp doesn't work [TS]

01:38:26   and you have transporters so you know I [TS]

01:38:30   cut it a little it is a fictional movie [TS]

01:38:32   it's a lot of fun like i said i think [TS]

01:38:35   the I think that they captured the [TS]

01:38:37   relationship which is what the original [TS]

01:38:38   series is really about the relationship [TS]

01:38:40   between Kirk and Spock and McCoy they [TS]

01:38:44   got that right and i think that as long [TS]

01:38:46   as you get that right you can you can [TS]

01:38:48   hang a lot of stuff off of that forgives [TS]

01:38:50   a lot of other faults exactly and and [TS]

01:38:52   especially this movie got the right [TS]

01:38:53   villain so submitted Cumberbatch's are [TS]

01:38:55   really good a very different but a very [TS]

01:38:58   good con and I saw this movie with my my [TS]

01:39:01   wife and I said to her well who was the [TS]

01:39:04   better con ricardo montalban or a bit [TS]

01:39:07   corrupt and she said well better [TS]

01:39:09   Cumberbatch was certainly the scarier [TS]

01:39:12   con other more like chillingly [TS]

01:39:15   frightening con but a ricardo montalban [TS]

01:39:19   was angrier and I said yeah that's about [TS]

01:39:22   right he had a lot of reasons to be [TS]

01:39:23   angry he did just get shot onto a random [TS]

01:39:26   planet by Captain Kirk's right i was [TS]

01:39:28   waiting at the end of this movie for [TS]

01:39:30   their be like they're not going to start [TS]

01:39:31   out being programmed exact probably warn [TS]

01:39:35   them against that part of it but also [TS]

01:39:37   people remember montalban from starter [TS]

01:39:39   to but you know in space seed he was [TS]

01:39:42   you know he was much younger just like [TS]

01:39:44   everybody was and this is this is that [TS]

01:39:46   original thought out con here not the [TS]

01:39:50   you know 20 years on the desert planet [TS]

01:39:52   my wife got eaten by a seti land bit [TS]

01:39:55   crazy with revenge [TS]

01:39:56   yeah coming moby-dick over and over and [TS]

01:39:58   over him until we packed a kindle but [TS]

01:40:03   overall I really enjoyed it and I i was [TS]

01:40:06   happy i did not i wasn't anchored by [TS]

01:40:08   anything that happened did it and I [TS]

01:40:11   thought I thought it was a great star [TS]

01:40:12   trek movie and I will I saw it twice and [TS]

01:40:16   I'll see it again I'll buy the blu-ray [TS]

01:40:19   yep i want star trek back on TV but [TS]

01:40:22   absolutely i think that will happen I i [TS]

01:40:24   think it's inevitable that that will [TS]

01:40:26   happen but they may have to make another [TS]

01:40:28   one of these movies first and then segue [TS]

01:40:32   into a spin-off series or something [TS]

01:40:34   as I said to you on twitter jason i [TS]

01:40:36   think it is clear that wrath of khan is [TS]

01:40:39   a better movie but this movie is fun and [TS]

01:40:42   enjoyable [TS]

01:40:43   yes I don't know i just watched wrath of [TS]

01:40:46   khan and maybe it's because it didn't [TS]

01:40:47   date that well I rely i agree the wrath [TS]

01:40:49   of khan is the best of the regular [TS]

01:40:51   classic Star Trek movies i think i have [TS]

01:40:53   to see this one again because I did only [TS]

01:40:54   see one time and it's 10 and with my son [TS]

01:40:56   so that may be clouding my judgment but [TS]

01:40:57   aight i don't i would put this right up [TS]

01:41:01   against the wrath of khan in in if both [TS]

01:41:03   both of them viewed in modern times [TS]

01:41:05   reading and maybe i'll have to see into [TS]

01:41:07   darkness one more time to see we'll do a [TS]

01:41:09   whole episode about the original Star [TS]

01:41:11   Trek movies i would say that my four [TS]

01:41:13   favorite Star Trek movies are these two [TS]

01:41:15   and stir to and and first contact [TS]

01:41:19   actually I i would say they're my four [TS]

01:41:22   favorites could go with if you had four [TS]

01:41:24   and six in there then you've listed [TS]

01:41:25   every good star chick that's true voice [TS]

01:41:30   always complaining about my six [TS]

01:41:32   favorites that that when Kirk dies they [TS]

01:41:33   don't take a whole movie to bring it [TS]

01:41:35   back it's like yes they learned you see [TS]

01:41:38   they learn about 20 spot that the search [TS]

01:41:41   for Kirk it's the rocks across doubt it [TS]

01:41:44   will just stuff like that you know i [TS]

01:41:46   think you should be able to space and [TS]

01:41:48   see what happened and see what happens [TS]

01:41:49   shoot him at they could have shot him at [TS]

01:41:51   kronos ahead and see what happens right [TS]

01:41:55   the the Klingons would have resurrected [TS]

01:41:56   that's where you hide your people isn't [TS]

01:41:58   torpedoes that's how it works exactly [TS]

01:42:01   alright so this has been good a guy i [TS]

01:42:05   encourage the second viewing I think the [TS]

01:42:06   second viewing would be good my kids [TS]

01:42:07   like 2i I liked it better i saw in 3d [TS]

01:42:09   the second time [TS]

01:42:10   who did you see it in imax night I saw [TS]

01:42:12   the regular 3d I don't really around me [TS]

01:42:14   already [TS]

01:42:14   I thought it was shot in 2d I think [TS]

01:42:16   maybe just stay in 2d and I want you [TS]

01:42:18   need the imax 3d happened twenty dollars [TS]

01:42:21   tickets to see it in imax 3d was [TS]

01:42:23   spectacular [TS]

01:42:25   ah it was enjoyable I I then saw it [TS]

01:42:28   again for seven dollars and I had just [TS]

01:42:30   as much yeah there you go that's how [TS]

01:42:33   they get you [TS]

01:42:34   alright i go i'm going to call it [TS]

01:42:37   this has been great I'd like to thank my [TS]

01:42:39   guests as i always do as is my custom [TS]

01:42:40   Dan Morgan thank you for being here it's [TS]

01:42:43   my pleasure captain live long and [TS]

01:42:45   prosper damn the force be with you [TS]

01:42:48   David lower thanks for coming back on it [TS]

01:42:51   was great to have you [TS]

01:42:52   great to be here and and I should leave [TS]

01:42:54   you as you lift me is that a threat [TS]

01:42:58   John siracusa thank you you know we [TS]

01:43:01   forgot to mention the best william [TS]

01:43:03   shatner on ma Jin this entire movie [TS]

01:43:05   which is the title which is without its [TS]

01:43:07   colon star trek into darkness [TS]

01:43:10   you don't know where to put the emphasis [TS]

01:43:12   you can do it anyway I thought you can [TS]

01:43:14   see the best are William Shatner imagine [TS]

01:43:15   this movie was the TJ hooker seen i'm [TS]

01:43:18   speaking up when spot rolls over the [TS]

01:43:20   hood of that [TS]

01:43:21   hey yeah i was thinking about canvas the [TS]

01:43:25   scene where he fights all the spiders [TS]

01:43:27   there is a william shatner reference [TS]

01:43:29   that you have two more living room [TS]

01:43:31   fair enough and Scott mcnulty it's you [TS]

01:43:33   and me [TS]

01:43:34   thank you for being on another star trek [TS]

01:43:36   episode I don't know how it is that [TS]

01:43:37   we've been on this podcast and we do [TS]

01:43:38   like a billion episodes about Star Wars [TS]

01:43:40   and like three about Star Trek how is [TS]

01:43:43   that possible [TS]

01:43:44   John meritocracy what that's outrageous [TS]

01:43:48   I i I've also deeply offended that this [TS]

01:43:51   movie was described as a star wars my [TS]

01:43:53   will save it for our Star Wars versus [TS]

01:43:56   Star Trek Ozzy in which we determine [TS]

01:43:58   whether the enterprise or start a story [TS]

01:44:00   would win in a fight [TS]

01:44:01   wait well they also did say it was the [TS]

01:44:03   best Star Wars movie of the last 20 [TS]

01:44:05   years so that's not it's not alright hi [TS]

01:44:08   no but the good news is star trek to the [TS]

01:44:12   rescue [TS]

01:44:13   JJ Abrams will be warping through [TS]

01:44:17   hyperspace to save the star wars [TS]

01:44:20   franchise that's right episode 7 set [TS]

01:44:23   your lightsabres to study these movies [TS]

01:44:25   just a warm-up Jason yes now that he [TS]

01:44:27   saved start track maybe he can save Star [TS]

01:44:29   Wars with some of that Star Trek magic [TS]

01:44:31   and swear all right until our next [TS]

01:44:34   episode which will probably be about [TS]

01:44:35   star wars because aren't they all this [TS]

01:44:37   point for the uncomfortable in my fine [TS]

01:44:40   fine panelist this is jason still [TS]

01:44:42   signing off [TS]

01:44:43   may the force be with you [TS]

01:44:59   instructor to we there they faked the [TS]

01:45:01   death of Spock and the rest of the crew [TS]

01:45:03   in the Kobayashi Magoo meroo at the [TS]

01:45:05   beginning construction i would choose to [TS]

01:45:07   get it was good to see you can't win [TS]

01:45:10   because you can't see anything can't see [TS]

01:45:12   you like in the theater when I was [TS]

01:45:13   taking notes that was the Kobayashi [TS]

01:45:14   Magoo i'll tell ya see what I should [TS]

01:45:17   have done is like very cleverly replay [TS]

01:45:19   parts of our starter to the wrath of [TS]

01:45:21   khan episode but with Scott and I taking [TS]

01:45:23   the opposite roles but I didn't do you [TS]

01:45:28   still can [TS]

01:45:29   haha hello this is set to alpha 5 there [TS]

01:45:37   we were told him [TS]

01:45:39   excellent is this city on fire I just [TS]

01:45:42   want i want i just watched Star Trek for [TS]

01:45:43   the voyage home with my kids computer a [TS]

01:45:47   little computer actually my favorite [TS]

01:45:49   line in that movie is doctor gave me a [TS]

01:45:51   pill the groovy a new kidney [TS]

01:45:53   I love that that's so great field baby [TS]

01:45:56   wails yeah hang on [TS]

01:45:59   birds are pretty sure remember where we [TS]

01:46:01   part exactly i'm in Indiana just working [TS]

01:46:05   space is Iowa come on guys but he's in [TS]

01:46:09   indiana [TS]

01:46:09   I'm an Indian it's all out how it is [TS]

01:46:12   this heaven [TS]

01:46:13   alright i'm glad Jon Jon allows it [TS]

01:46:14   that's good spot gives the Vulcan death [TS]

01:46:17   grip that guy in the bus every collapse [TS]

01:46:19   there's no such thing as we fucking [TS]

01:46:20   death grip and justjust leave now you're [TS]

01:46:22   embarrassing yourself [TS]

01:46:24   search your feelings you know it to be [TS]

01:46:26   true [TS]

01:46:27   what no [TS]

01:46:29   that's not true that's impossible you [TS]

01:46:34   know you guys have done the city al5 [TS]

01:46:35   reading so much that when i went back [TS]

01:46:37   and watch wrath of khan again the actual [TS]

01:46:40   reading in the movie is now less [TS]

01:46:42   exciting format [TS]

01:46:43   you're very like it's just under well [TS]

01:46:45   it's been exciting like oh he just kind [TS]

01:46:47   of says the lines a little bit of [TS]

01:46:48   emphasis is nothing like the [TS]

01:46:50   over-the-top this is City alpha hive [TS]