The Incomparable

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00:00:20 ◼   ► welcome back to the income I guess I'm [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► your host Jason snail and we are here at [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► long last to talk about the second half [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► of season 7 of Doctor Who one of my [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► favorites of all time and we we refrain [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► from doing the flash episode by episode [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► podcast and instead are going to cram [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► all eight episodes of the back half of [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► the season into one super-sized and [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► comfortable podcast joining me to talk [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► about doctor who r Scott McNulty hi [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► Scott [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► hello Jason it's good to have you you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► know there's someplace I think someone [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► could cram some of these episodes but oh [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► dear oh dear [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► we will not talk about Star Trek though [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► this time but we'll save that for next [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► John siracusa is also here hi John that [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► Star Trek was a fantastic movie now [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► don't save it [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► that's the next one we got backed up its [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► summer are lots of things are happening [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► in Game of Thrones and it's too much [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► going on Dan Morgan is also here because [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► he's often hear hi dan and I really [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► enjoyed the scottie parts behind you're [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► killing me again wrong thing wrong [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► franchise please please [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► and I have called in an expert witness [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► it is the host of a podcast that I [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► listen to faithfully the 2-minute Time [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► Lord podcast so named because it knows [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► how to get in [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► say interesting things and get out [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► quickly unlike other podcast i could [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► name such as this one it's chip from the [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► 2-minute Time Lord hi chip [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► I and I preferred star trek into [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► darkness and the original Klingon oh [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► dear there there are original [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► no they're not original Klingon Senate [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► are there they're not unoriginal they [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► they don't like to talk today if we [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► don't speak of it enhance clean their [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► enhanced they have pumpkin heads is chip [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► aware that he needs to talk for more [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► than two minutes because we often go on [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► yes well maybe we should all take a cue [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► from chip and talk a little less except [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► for Scott I don't often talk for more [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► than two men actually Scott Scott's got [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► it down [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► that's true it's me and and and and John [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► have the problem all right let's get [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► into it so they split this season in [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► half which caused much consternation [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► among doctor who fans pointing out that [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► this means that there are a few [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► episodes being produced because there's [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► essentially these half seasons over the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► course of two years but be that as it [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► may we did have eight episodes that ran [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► over eight weeks so we're going to think [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► back to the start of this at the end of [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► March and the first episode of this of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► this half season was the bells of st. [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► John which you may remember as the [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► episode with the the motorcycle that can [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► go up the side of a building and the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► white evo Wi-Fi that that sucks you into [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► the cloud where you get a little [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► suspicious that Glenn isn't here on an [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► episode that involves Wi-Fi is all I'm [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► saying yeah [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► yep isn't it in maybe a little maybe [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► so this was a bad this hahaha it is not [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► it is not by far the worst ever gonna [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► no I that's that's faint praise I think [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► wow burn get it it's this this is has [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► the unenviable task of setting up a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► meeting between the doctor and his new [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► companion except there's one problem [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► which is we've already seen them eat you [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► know arguably once if not twice before [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► and it in some ways this actually felt a [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► little bit like a like a russell davis [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► episode era episode in the sense that [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► I'm it was it had a lot of high concept [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► what if there was an alien in the Wi-Fi [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► what if there was a monster that had a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► spoon for ahead haha and and I don't [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► know it in the end I I there are things [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► about it that I like I actually likes [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► some of the interplay between the doctor [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► and Clara and they're they're kind of [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► back and forth but but yeah a battle it [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► just was it was just very generic almost [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► to me it as a well I guess the [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► obligatory introduce the companion [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► episode the plot was not the high point [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► although I agree with you that the I [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► liked a lot of the character [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► interactions between the doctor and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► Clara I think they have be the actors [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► have really good chemistry and that [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► manages to save some otherwise subpar [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► plotting maybe that's just me that [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► that's it's [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► ministry in a vacuum though like I i [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► agree the two actors seem to want to do [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► something but you can't just have those [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► personalities you have to have a [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► supporting story or script or something [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► to justify that chemistry and I you know [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► I feel bad for the two of them in the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► season because nothing against the Act [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► the actress and matt smith is great and [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► everything but if if they're not given [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► some kind of overall story arc to tie [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► their chemistry to like you think of you [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► know Amy Pond the girl who waited her [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► she has had an arc and and intention for [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► the entire thing with her and Rory and [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► the triangle and even then that resolves [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► and she wonders what she's doing with [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► her life that carried the rest of her [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► sparks for this isn't miss this [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► particular episode is a lot like a lot [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► of the ones i think back of an intended [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► error where ya the plot is silly and [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► there's some stupid thread and maybe the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► threat is dumb and involves bad cg or [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► whatever but if the companion dr. [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► relationship and their overarching fine [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► then the part of the episode just [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► background for letting these to advance [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► their plot whether it's him and Don are [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► in tomorrow or whatever like they're [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► doing their thing and in the background [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► and episode is happening and by the way [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► the doctor saves the day during it right [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► this one just had the background silly [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► story and I didn't this entire seasons [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► if I didn't understand the the Ark they [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► were trying to do with Claire I did I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► just didn't buy into it I guess John [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► were you bothered by the technology in [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► this episode because this is one of [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► those episodes words like the Wi-Fi if [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you log in and then you can download [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► your brain and then re-upload your brain [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and you go [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► I mean I have a rant that maybe i'll go [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► on later about about trying to hold [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► something like Doctor Who to therefore [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► the star travelers up to science right [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► by me know where it works for that too i [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► guess i am getting kind of tired of [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► people pointing out the scientific flaws [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► and in stories that are essentially [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► fantasy stories but I was just wondering [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► since I know John sometimes is [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► especially bothered by the misuse of [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► computers this seem to have a lot of [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► that of this sort of like the doctor [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► ends up and the doctor of all the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► characters in all of science fiction [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► ever he's the last person I would expect [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► you would literally open up a laptop and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► start typing and be like I mean I'm [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► hacking into this thing and and he was [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► doing it and it was it it didn't even [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► seem like a pair [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► pretty of those things it was actually [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► the plot device was if i type really [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► fast computers will do magical things [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► which is just it mean it's just lazy i [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► think i dont doctor who is so far off [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► the rails in terms of being realistic [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► computer I i'm playing and have [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► complained many times in many of our [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► doctor who podcast about the series not [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► not being willing to sit down its own [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► nonsense rules and follow them like I [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► don't care you know it's never gonna get [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► real technology right real history real [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► anything right fun make up your own [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► crazy rules about like what you know [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► what are the rules about regeneration [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► what are the rules you know what is the [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the doctor story what is his backstory [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► and what are the powers of the various [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► alien races at various different times [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► and doctor who is flipping about [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► sticking to those two its own nonsense [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► rules and that that I find infuriating [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► because if you're not gonna stick to [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► your own nonsense rules then I start to [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► disengage and I start to feel like I [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► nothing matters because anything can [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► happen any moment but i never do that [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► because the technology is wrong terms of [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► real-world stuff because i don't have [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that expectation of the show [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► well this is something that sort of [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► endemic to Doctor Who over like 50 years [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► of history it has never been consistent [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► to itself [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► we've been adjusted the last just in the [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► last seven years or so we've had the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► show arguing with itself over whether [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► time can be written rewritten or not you [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► know perfect their fixed points of [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► course [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► yeah except when they're not or but it's [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► dish but i think that that I think that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► you I it makes me feel better about the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► show to think of it as first and [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► foremost a family show and second [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► science fantasy rather than science [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► fiction at that sort of that sort of the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► heritage of the thing that the downside [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► to that is that it's harder for adults [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► and fans watching it to to sort of set [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► set aside our desire to have everything [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► makes sense and take it take it [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► seriously but you know this is a show [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► that's had transforming transforming [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► robots piloted by little people that can [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► grow motorcycles and mind you Jason that [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► was a that was a Steven Moffat episode [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► of russell t davies episode it your [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► right arm yet I i have been I it has [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► been reliably told me that not long [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► after this episode aired by the way uh [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► people's Wi-Fi network names started [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► changing and developing a mysterious [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► well it scared see the stats that part I [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► like because that's the Doctor Who trick [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► of like you know scaring kids and and [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► people in general but scaring kids about [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► with Rick mundane things around you are [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► scary and that's that's I mean moffatts [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► trick especially is that I didn't mind [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► that I just mind the month the mundanity [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► of the doctor with a plastic laptop just [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► kind of doing a lot of fast typing and [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► saying I'm controlling a duplicate of [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► myself and now I'm fixing this computer [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► networking because that's just that's [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► just boring and mundane and and I guess [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► that was my my my problem with it [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► I to John's point I would argue that [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► especially thank you chip for [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► elucidating that the consistency of [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► doctor who is it's inconsistent [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► I'm not asking for like you know [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► multi-generational or even across doctor [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► I know I could visit without that some [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► people are going to get all you know [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► cranky about the fact that well that's [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► not consistent with something that [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► happened in 1972 like I don't care you [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► know I mean even I'm will even willing [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► to get clean breaks between doctors i'm [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► just saying like like three episodes ago [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► or perhaps in the same episode cannot [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► see minutes ago I don't know how things [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► work and if you just keep changing the [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► rules immediate cranky and and the thing [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► is like I you know that's not my [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► personal complaint with Doctor Who but [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► I'm willing to accept it if the other [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► stuff carries me through and read that's [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► that's right yeah yeah anything more to [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► say about the bells of st. John I'm [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► disappointed the title didn't have more [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► to do with the episode because it was a [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► good title and a good premise and they [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► have a few seconds and you never see it [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► yeah we have the way I there are two [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► things i like particularly one the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► eventual neutralization of the villain [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► that we see in the episode [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► what's your name miss kismet yeah that [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► was kinda I thought that was dark and [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► kind of creepy with a razor and she's a [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► little girl's mind yes like I think that [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► was that know that effectively creeped [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► me out so I so thumbs up to that yeah [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that was that was the other thing I [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► liked about about this episode was that [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► yeah and we have the setup for the great [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► intelligence although we also [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► you know yeah they could they could have [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► done more with that but I'm sure we'll [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► go into that shortly [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► well and the very least this episode [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► teaching you a valuable lesson about not [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► logging in to random Wi-Fi strange why [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► find other people who I it with your [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► brain yeah although is there a human [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► being on the planet who is as clueless [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► about locking into Wi-Fi ask laura is in [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the beginning [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► yeah really what well that was the thing [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► I was gonna say to your technology point [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► which is like walking onto Wi-Fi it's [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► like all right this isn't like a hacking [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► into an shl write like this is the one [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► thing everybody in the world who's got a [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► computer has done at some point at least [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► represent it reasonably also if you're [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► if you're going to take over people's [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► brains don't put in unintelligible [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► symbols on there just say free public [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► Wi-Fi and all you go [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► that would be true scary Jason too scary [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► alright let's move on because you see [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► we've only got started and and the best [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► is yet to come because the next episode [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► oh man is is Neil crosses the rings of [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► akhaten which is a very very very [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► strange episode where they go to this I [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► guess it's like a space station or [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► something or something or a moon its [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► orbiting of what looks like it's a gas [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► giant although maybe it's a son I'm i [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► was kind of unclear and some of the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► details [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► it's a very strange episode the doctor [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► ends up waking up this old God who turns [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► out to be not the old God but the guy [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► who who when he wakes up it wakes up the [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► old god it's of it did i mention that [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► it's a really strange episode and what I [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► liked about it was that it was unlike [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► any doctor who episode i've ever seen [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► before and it was it was really trying [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► very hard to be weird and bizarre what I [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► didn't like about it is that it made no [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► sense and it was awful so that's my what [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► did you not ready to know i mean i like [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► i like being bold i love i love that it [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► was weird but I didn't like the episode [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► you can see the kirby krackle everywhere [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► couldn't you [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► yeah its cosmic man like like far out [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► space hippie Jack Kirby cosmic the pot [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► and a plot is broken i mean i was [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► thinking about me the pacing on it was [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► so weird like it just you know it kinda [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► wish of these things into like things [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► that should take a be sort of a [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► drawn out thing into like two second [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► burst I mean there's some really great [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► stuff in there I like sort of the the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► feeling of the planet when their first [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► wandering around it there's all the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► aliens everywhere [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► yeah they find the little girl yeah yeah [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► and there's a lot of their the the the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► sort of what we think is the villain the [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► beginning again and effectively creepy [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► Monster creation even the scary like [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► eventual villain witch which brought me [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► back to some of the david tennant was it [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► the the satan pit you know yeah that [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► their reserves and creepy stuff there [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► too but as an episode it doesn't hang [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► together it's totally weird she's flying [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► a motorbike through space [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► it's like I don't know it just to me the [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► structure and overall construction of it [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► just seemed like he totally wrong and [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► just off there's lots of doctor who [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► episodes where it comes to some alien [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► situation and there's something that [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► there's something that seems strange or [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► a little bit off and the viewer knows it [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► before the people in the episode and [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► you're you're rooting for him to figure [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► out that something is weird and when [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that's the central mystery of an episode [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► like oh my god this spaceship is [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► surrounding a giant whale that we're [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► talking you know like however yeah [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► whatever similar Minnesota there that's [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► a lot of Doctor Who formula sometimes [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► the mysteries dominant sometimes it's [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► and that's why i thought this one was [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► going but it didn't there's a little [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► girl little bit mysterious and then it [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► just goes off in about 800 different [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► directions at once and by the seven [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► things that are explaining this guy's [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► the alarm clock and not the thing and [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► you gotta hold or you gotta tell me but [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► like you know I didn't lose me and and [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► and yeah the motors heavy door so [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► there's a back door so she likes a you [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► know mounted vehicles that because its [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► side of the building on an actual [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► motorcycle and now we have space [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► motorcycle [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► alright whatever well which is [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► interesting too because this is this is [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► Neil cross by think this is the first [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► time we've seen him writing doctor who [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► he's previously I was again he's the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► he's the showrunner of Luther which is [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► an excellent show by the way although [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► are very very dark disturbing story is [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► he wrote hide which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► minute [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► right which is the best show and I when [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► they said they said here write another [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► one and this is haha well maybe only [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► have one good one and this one I [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► actually liked far more than i should [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► have for all of the for all the reasons [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► that you guys said [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► I I shouldn't have cared for it but [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► there's something audacious about it i [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► mean there I great is it is weird just [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► weird it's weird stuff pyramids in giant [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► pumpkin headed sons are planets or [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► whatever that whatever it is yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► you know I'm gonna clock Laura coming to [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► the rescue with a leaf and all the stuff [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► you it shouldn't it shouldn't work for [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► me and if I and if I am honest with [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► myself if I look deeply into myself yes [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► it doesn't work but I i'm a sucker for [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the operatic stuff and the rtd years uh [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► the russell davies years you know there [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► that was operatic and sentimental and [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► then and sometimes to its detriment but [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► I it [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► this was a noble failure to be and I [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► kind of forgave the i kinda forgave the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► failure because it was something that I [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► hadn't seen in Doctor Who before and i [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► would like to see doctor who get weird [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► as hell more often [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► just a little more a little more plot [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► coherence and believable physics would [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► be nice to I feel like if they had [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► scaled back the weird just a little at [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► the end it might have hung together more [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► having the layers of the like the bad [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► guy who's not really the bad guy have [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► and where you've got the whole satan pit [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► kind of think the consumption of memory [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► thing which happens so late in the game [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► and it makes it seem like the doctors [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► memories are going to be consumed but [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► then he's fine it you know that that was [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► it was it piled on so high and every [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► time I was like trying to catch up and [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► say we'll wait a second how what does [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► that mean [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and it didn't mean anything and we moved [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► on to the next weird thing but i agree [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► with you about how audacious it is i [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► would hate for Doctor Who to be boring I [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► I much prefer it [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► striving and failing then just kind of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► having another I mean that that's the [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► thing about bells of st. John is that [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► it's it's a little more bog-standard [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► doctor who and I think I'd rather them [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► not I I'd like them to shoot for the [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► stars a little bit more even if it means [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► that they exploded failure from diet I [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► doctor who fans are notoriously [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► conservative this was so not a [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► conservative [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► I thought it was a little bit timid [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► though because whenever I see a doctor [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► who episodes that have lots of false [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► endings like Jason was saying like oh [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► this is the big climax is going to eat [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► his memories or not or he's going to you [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► know it's a battle of wills against this [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► just and there would be another thing [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► after another thing I like lots and lots [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► of false endings because they're afraid [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► to commit to the consequences of anyone [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► that they had put up before that that [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► shows me that they didn't know how to [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► finish it or they were trying to have [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► their cake you need to have seven [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► dramatic moments at the end you just [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► gotta pick one yeah and I mean the same [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► thing with the middle part of this like [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► could we have just cut out all the [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► middle business and jump right to the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► and were staring at the big giant [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► pumpkin son and sucking memories out of [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► him and the leaf like I i feel you know [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► the rest will see David you know the [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► music there's they have not overused the [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► season but they definitely did admit the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► end of the tenth run for the music goes [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► and if one had this big epic thing [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► happening and you have to earn that and [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► I think in the 10th season as they did [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► learn that a significant amount of times [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► then towards the end they were just sort [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► of like going through the motions and [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► this one this episode I don't think they [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► earned they don't didn't turn the payoff [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the way they want to especially since [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► there were so many different false [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► starts and there if i have a specific [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► complaint about this episode would be [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► although it tried of billion different [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► things and sort of one after the other [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► some of the more familiar enough that i [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► felt like it was almost it was a little [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► less audacious at times and a little [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► more recycled and I don't know whether [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► that's maybe that Neil cross just wasn't [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► aware that he was exploring ideas that [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► have already been explored but like the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► singing in this episode is kind of [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► interesting and weird but it reminded me [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► of gridlock where there was also a lot [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► of singing and it was done better the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► satan pit very much an episode that i [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► think is underrated from the tenant era [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► and the ending of this is very [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► reminiscent of that so I felt like I'd [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► seen that before and that was kind of [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► disappointing it's like recycle bits in [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► this episode to even them wandering [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► around on the planet at the beginning [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► reminds me of the doctor and donna doing [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► their thing in the bug goes on the back [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► and yeah yeah I was a better episode [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► this is remind me a better episodes so [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► so several points for for for trying [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► something new but it didn't work demands [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► crap well Scott comes in there at the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► end just lays it down [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► stupid what's that say five people [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► products lying 10 out of 10 for style- [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► several thousand points out of 10 [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah weird weird you know I [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► don't mind the weird it this actually at [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► this episode reminded me a little bit of [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► farscape those who might have remembered [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► that show that was a show that had [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► episodes that were it was storytelling [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► in a way that I just had never really [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► experienced it was I think maybe [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► something about being made in australia [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► maybe maybe the writers were writing it [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► in in a style that I'm not used to [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► watching mostly American and some [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► british TV and it reminded me of that a [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► little bit too like I'm not quite sure [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► what i'm watching this doesn't seem to [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► be how you would tell this story at all [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► and i like that because I feel [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► completely disconnected from my [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► expectations it just let me down in the [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► end but but weird [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► where does not bad we're just good it [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► just didn't work [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► alright let's move on to Cold War I [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► written by Mark Gatiss this is a the [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► eighties nuclear submarine episode with [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► the return of the ice quarry for this [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► can this scene get could this season get [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► anymore i love that we have okay we've [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► gone from the evil Wi-Fi [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► yes to the strange alien planet with [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► singing to the Cold War nuclear [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► submarine episode i just i do enjoy as [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► you were saying a little bit before [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► about them being bold it does seem like [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► they have really decided to cut loose [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► and jump around a lot like totally if [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► you mix in the first half of the season [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► that their last fall [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► you know in in some ways these all these [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► standalone episodes it is sort of Steven [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► Moffat saying i will show you just how [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► versatile doctor who is which has always [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► been one of the great things about [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► doctor who is it can it can be anything [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► from week to week and so this week we [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► have this eighties Cold War nuclear [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► submarine / monster movie plot that [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► happens here with David Warner as the [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► Russian scientists who likes listening [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► to English pop on his Walkman which I [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► actually I love David Warner and angry [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and I believe devil Seaworth as the [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► captain of the submarine yes that's [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► right the onion night he see sadly [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► illiterate my latest [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► still still still gets the sale about [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► I'm very confused by your mixing of the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► game of thrones with Doctor Who so i [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► watch this episode twice i actually when [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► i watch the first time partly because i [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► was watching with my family and it was [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► and it was a little bit chaotic and [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► we're eating dinner and and I I didn't [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► like it at all and when I watched it the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► second time i actually liked it better i [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► was i think my expectations were off [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► when i watch this the first time I was [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► really disappointed David Warner didn't [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► have much to do but he has he has enough [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► to do I think I you know he's a lot of [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► fun and I like that the ice warriors [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► just a strange thing because it's sort [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► of like the fifth or sixth or seventh [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► doctor who monster right its way down on [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► the list hasn't been around since the [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► early seventies and they tried to do [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► something new with it [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► this did feel like one of those episodes [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► where they had sort of way too much [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► story to pack in and so there are a lot [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► of just jumping around and and and cut [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► corners don't know what did what did you [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► guys think [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► but why should there be that much story [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► for this kind of episode is the kind i [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► was actually hoping for before I saw the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► episode like the kind where he's trapped [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► in a confined space i guess the ones [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► where they have low budget you don't [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► like we're gonna have one set i guess [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► that is not that low budget but it [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► worked with a doctor is trapped in a [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► space ship or vessel or transport of [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► some kind and the whole story is going [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► to take place there they're gonna be [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► trapped in there is going to be danger [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► and like this is epitomized for me for [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► the episode whatever it was the thing [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► it's got diamond dirt something midnight [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► everybody anyway where was the creepy [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► people talking to it like that's one [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► room and all you need there is one room [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► windows some blue screens and a good [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► script and you know it's the doctor [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► trapped in extreme situations gotta [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► figure a way out [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► I'm all thumbs up those episode great [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► put them on a submarine do something [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► wrong the submarine maybe there's an [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► alien maybe the trap maybe the submarine [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► doesn't have power and conveniently [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► spark the TARDIS out and lot J and you [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► can't get through it again [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► he always does that I don't know why [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► fine go with that but the ice warrior [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► who I didn't know cause I i started [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► watching doctor who you know with [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► Pakistan so I had no idea was a previous [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► villain and kinda like his motivation [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► was never really clear I didn't know how [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► to read him he's angry right if they [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► tried to cattle prod sometimes and he's [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► acting out of time because he's been [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► frozen for 500 [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► sneers right it's a weird combination [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► where like he really essentially the [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► speech the doctor gives is who he really [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► holds a grudge is you're gonna be sorry [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► he's really a mean guy and I like chain [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► him up and I leave him alone that Clara [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► has to go down there for some reason why [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► did she have to always read the parent [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► peril and then she runs yeah and it's [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► just you know i like i like the the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► eighties vibe I liked most of the [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► submarine crew i like the fact that the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► submarine was like disabled and you're [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► endangering a submarine that's always [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► good with the insurance kind of noise i [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► would like to better doctor trapped in a [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► weird situation thing [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► yeah i mean middling for me I mean I I [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► like cold war stuff a lot and I'm you [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah I think there's a deliberate [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► attempt here to evoke things like hunt [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► for red october which is a great movie [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► but yeah it doesn't something didn't [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► quite fire on all the right cylinders [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► for me but there is a lot of like I'd [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► like you like David Warner I thought he [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► was great it was aight i enjoyed his [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► character even if he is only used [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► sporadically but i really enjoyed they [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► had he had some good interplay with [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► Claire I thought good stuff with Clara [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► yeah and so again a maybe somewhat oddly [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► constructed at times but overall i would [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► give this one you know it's slightly [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► better than average this is one of the [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► things that I see some doctor who fans [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► comment about a lot of these episodes of [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► the season was it could have been a [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► two-parter and I actually feel like most [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► of the cases what it what what what I [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► feel is that it should have been [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► simplified not that it could have been a [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► two-parter but that it just should have [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► been simpler like skull back the ice [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► warrior I feel like his motivations [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► could have been simpler I I feel like it [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► one bit scarier if he had actually like [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► thought out or cracked out of the of the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► ice but instead there's just like as [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► opposed to this one idiot similar George [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► hey I want to accelerate the plot [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► I want to see what is in this thing yes [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► i will get shot by a firing squad for [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► doing this but I'm just so that's [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► curious right when it's like it wouldn't [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► have been scarier if he had been you [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► know slowly melting out the doctors like [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► what what what you what did you find let [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► me see it and and and they get there too [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► late but instead they have that and [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► that's kind of dumb and and that the [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► cattle prod is he's a nice where he's a [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► he's kind of a monster anyway and then [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► and then the nuclear missiles to was [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► sort of like bizarre [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► like he figures out because the one guy [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► wants to the one Russian officer wants [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► to start Armageddon so he he gives the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► launch information to the I swear I [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► don't know I just happen to have an [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► eighties nuclear submarine episode you [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► have to have launch codes and nuclear [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► annihilation feature in the plot like it [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► just as mandatory sure I just the way [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► that they did it seemed you know I don't [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► know I just kept feeling like there was [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► a whole lot going on and that it could [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► have been simpler and it would have been [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► more effective [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► that's true of many episodes in the [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► season it there just like there are too [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► many moving parts and i agree with you [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► if anyone misses if anyone is suggesting [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► I'm glad it and read these comments on [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► the internet that these that many [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► episodes have been too far as i know yes [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► I've been simplified into a good one [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► part because there can you imagine how [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► bad some of these would have been two [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► parts that are just you know their [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► sprawling enough [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► one thing about this when there's a name [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► i would like to 22 this year into your [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► minds and that is the name Michael pick [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► what he is the production designer [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► doctor who these days these episodes and [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► this one in particular they look [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► terrific [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► there's made this they made the sub look [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► as claustrophobic as they could within [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► the limitations of actually shooting it [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► on upset rather than and some [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► decommissioned radioactive Russian sub [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► with the water spraying everywhere is I [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► mean that's gotta be super expensive [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► because you actually did contain the [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► water and not electrocute people so they [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► spent a lot of money on that [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► yeah and it looks it up the ice warriors [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► yet the ancient ancient bad guy Robert [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► rubber suit bad guys and I'm a very bad [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► doctor who fan in that I cannot forgive [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► some of the the sum of the crappy [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► costuming and the rubber suit monsters [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► and all that stuff from the seventies I [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► thought that did a row and actually [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► decent job of updating this this [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► creature that I had absolutely no [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► interest in seeing the it looked it [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► looked kind of credible my life to [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► concede that it's the that it's a suit [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► of armor and there's a slithery lizardy [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► monster inside it is instead of just a [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► guy in a big bumbling suit which is what [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it was like Alex in the old days yeah [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► yeah well except this guy [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► you move around maybe they could have [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► done a little bit more than just have [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► some guy wearing a pair of gloves sort [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► of dangling upside down off-camera put [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► their hands on the guys heads to be [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► scary but all that water in the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► submarine was a very expensive they [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► couldn't afford more cgi i like it like [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► he stays to the shadows so you can't see [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► them click so that it's less complex cgi [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► yeah but you guys are right this is a [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► this is what they called back and the [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► second doctor episodes this is what they [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► called a base under siege story and so [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► many of these episodes are not just [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► efforts to show you the different kinds [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► of things that doctor who can do in John [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► but they're actually efforts to mimic [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► episodes from the past you know it's [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► almost it's almost a 50th anniversary [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► thing in and of itself that the ok let's [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► do it Patrick Troughton base under siege [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► story with the ice warriors here you go [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► let's do something that Douglas Adams [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► must have been smoking something really [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► interesting so we'll do the rings of [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► akhaten O think things like that [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► um I like this one it was it had sort of [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► the hunt for red october kind of vibe [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► not terribly substantial but it Pacey [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I I mean I liked it [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► better the second time I wouldn't say [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► that it was great i think the ending is [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► also kind of questionable with the and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► they come and they get him and he [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► decides to show mercy and you know but [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► but uh the iie you're right i think [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► doctor who has never looked better in [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► any of these episodes and this is a good [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► example of that and funny ending where [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► it turns out the TARDIS is parked it in [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► Antarctica at the South Pole and he [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► needs a ride because they're at the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► North Pole [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► alright let's move on to hide and I I [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► want to do that because this is the the [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► episode the Neil cross road that that [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► made them set up and say you should [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► write another episode which led to the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► rings of akhaten and I'm going to say it [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► I think maybe this is the best this is [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► certainly the best episode of Doctor Who [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► in a couple years at least it is one of [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► my favorites of [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the entire revival certainly of the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► Steven Moffat era but probably the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► entire revival I think doctor who has [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► never looked better [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► and although there are some problems i [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► have some quibbles with some of the [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► storytelling this is the episode that [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► set in the seventies it's all these kind [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► of orange and brown tones there's the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► there's the professor and his and his [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► assistant who is an empath that they go [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► and visit in a haunted house and i I [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► just I loved everything about this [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► episode really i like how it looks [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► I like the the two pairs of characters [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► working together and i even i even like [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► that the kind of weird parallel universe [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► that the doctor ends up in which is [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► colored you know all blues and cold [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► colors after all the warmth of the of [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► the seventies mansion and I even like [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► the twist where it's in true doctor who [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► fashioned not actually a haunted house [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► at all but involves something [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► science-fictional so Dan you said that [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► you really like this one too right I did [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► a lot of the same reasons I mean the [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► production values he said was great i [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► thought it was effectively is very [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► atmospheric yeah I mean and if there's [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► one thing they've nailed the season it's [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► really a while the atmosphere is great [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► but this one managed to deliver i think [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► on something that was both kind of eerie [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► with the whole ghost story part of it [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► and also that somehow connected back to [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► even when even when that that arenas [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► gets neutralize quote-unquote you know [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► because it's explained what the what the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► background is behind it it's still [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► creepy like the creatures that you deal [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► with even if they're determined to [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► eventually not be exactly harmful [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► they're still creepy right and i think [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that's nice there's sort of a [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► through-line there it's not like Oh [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► silly to be worried about that thing all [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► along and I appreciate that [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► I mean there were you know little pieces [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► pieces here and there there's some great [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► casting again Dougray Scott as the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► professor i love the way i reminded me [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► very the the earth atmosphere this [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► reminds me very much of the BBC BBC show [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the hour which is a period drama and [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► they do a nice job of listening to him [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► and he's got the same accent as one of [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the characters on that shown is that [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► he's got that nice Scottish brogue it [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► reminds me of I mean it reminds me [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► seventies Doctor Who to which is I think [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► part of what we should mention [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► Jessica Raine to who is the Midwife of [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► call the midwife [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► if you're not familiar it's big it's a [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► big pretty show Americans logic she is [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► the Midwife and I i turn my wife halfway [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► through and i said i said i don't know [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► how the story is going to end up in the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► last five minutes or so is not great but [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► I said this is the best-looking doctor [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► who episode i have ever seen like this [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► this is like feature film quality look [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► now they constrain it to the sets in the [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► haunted house but the way it's shot the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► weight the weight of the it's colored [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► just amazing work I find it kind of [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► ironic that we're talking about lots of [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► script problems this season as opposed [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► to saying well you know it's very [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► imaginative but they didn't have much of [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► a budget so it looks terrible this is [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► the reverse of that it's like there's [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► some script problems but it looks great [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► i'm sure that we get the holographic [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► interface to the TARDIS back again [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► that's a cause that's a callback to a [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► david tennant christopher eccleston yeah [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► and I just enjoyed that you know Claire [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► gets argue with herself for a while [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► yeah also as a as my want i will mention [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► that i enjoyed that there were several [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► elements in this episode that reminded [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► me of supernatural [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► Oh Dan well there's cold spots with [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► ghosts and stuff like yeah there are [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► creepy go six of the ends out there [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► it turns out that it's a an alien or [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► it's a time traveler who's lost in time [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► but but has glommed onto these people [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► because they're her ancestors and I and [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► then also there are a pair of of aliens [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► who have gotten separated i guess [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► because of the space-time displacement [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► I'm unclear on that one but they they [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► wanna they wanna all the spooky stuff is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► actually just an alien that mrs. its [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► mate i just wanted to be loved just [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► wants to be like I can all scary face or [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► even scary ugly aliens want to be loved [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► so that's that's at and I like the fact [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► that it's this time traveling person [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► who's gotten kinda lost in time and he [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► does the whole thing where he takes [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► again taking a page sort of from the the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► recipe Davis episode he takes the he [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► takes Clara from the beginning of life [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► on the earth to the end of life on the [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► earth that while he's taking pictures [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► which is a nice little montage is he [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► figures out that this will this a [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► astronaut is caught in [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► a very slow time parallel time thinking [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► if I could jump in here about Clara arm [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► when we see her at the first half of the [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► series in the solemn of the Daleks and [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► the Snowman she is just so ridiculously [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► competent yeah it's amazing here all the [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► way through this especially in this [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► she's i want i won't say generic because [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► I I there's something about her [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► performance that I simply adore I think [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► she's the best companion actress the [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► show's had since 2005 but but she's not [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► the super woman she is a she is an [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► ordinary girl who is it who rises to the [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► occasion sometimes it gets scared [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► sometimes I I get what you guys were [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► saying earlier about her being a bit of [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► a cipher and how the actor has to pour a [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► lot into it i love with jenna-louise [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► Coleman does with this role even when [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► there's not much on the page [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► I i still am just sort of watching I I [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► like jenna-louise Coleman a lot I I have [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► a theory about Clara which is that in [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► some ways she's written to be the [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► perfect assistant assistant the perfect [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► companion so she's kind of taking all [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► the boxes in a way to just sort of like [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► be and that's part of that mystery of [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► what is she and why she the impossible [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► girl and all that and and so she does [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► read a lot different than like austin in [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► the Sun along of the Daleks super [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► knowledgeable and super snarky in a way [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► that Clara isn't but the pair's the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► pairing in this episode 2 of clearing [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► the doctor and I guess this is the first [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► episode they shot together after the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► Christmas special so this is the first [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► episode where she was acting as the [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► modern-day Clara I i don't know i like [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► that i like the interaction there and [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► then the interactions across the the the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► repairs where the doctors talking to the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► professor and and Clara is talking to [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► Emma about you know about their they're [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► sort of roles in these in these this two [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► sets relationships i thought this [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► episode was a good demonstration of the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► the opposite of what the previous ones [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► had done where what happens when you [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► take away maybe thirty forty fifty [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► percent of you [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► our story elements and you're left with [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► a few haunted house one single mystery [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► what the explanation is for the haunted [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► house to people in the house one [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► relationship between them [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► dr. relationship with a partner maybe i [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► would leave lose the lovesick monster [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► creature [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► yeah like to drop that one out but other [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► than that like there's not that many [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► elements there's one there's one set [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► there's very simple threats simple [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► explanations for them [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► you don't have to move to seven [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► different locations to resolve this plot [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► over everyone you have that room to [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► breathe then you can you know flesh out [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► the relationship between the professor [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► in the system and flesh out the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► different ways that Clara can feel [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► instead of just being you know smoky and [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► pouty and clever having a couple you [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► know and that it just gives that the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► show room to breathe I thought and yeah [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► it's nice that it was you know a single [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► set or even was a real house for real [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► said whatever you did it didn't look [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► good you didn't have that lots of green [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► screen in bed cg and everything and just [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► let the show breathe when you get a nice [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► episode right there is really nice quiet [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► scenes with dialogue in the first half [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► of this with the various characters in [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the haunted house that are so great and [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► not kind of insanely fast paced and [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► you're right it does it does breathe [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► because it's a simple story [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► Scott did you have a verdict on this one [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► I say this one's good [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► yup alright i don't want Clara but [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► others in the hell is on any of them but [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► wow what [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► that's insanity I don't like her I think [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► that the ib the actress center is a [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► lovely person to find why do i why do [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you hate generally is Coleman personally [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► personally why do you [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► well she did snub me once but that's [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► some free she knows what she did right [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► Scott exact option I don't need to tell [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► her she's the impossible girl she knows [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I I i just have a problem with her [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► character not the character itself [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► I feel like they're building a while I [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► mean it's the we saw the finale so [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► they're building up to this big mystery [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► and wished it really reveal in the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► finale and I think that ultimately it [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► will just be a disappointment and that [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► her character we'll just serve to annoy [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► me if you're expecting her to be special [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► because she's special in some way the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► answer is that's not it she special [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► because she makes a decision to do [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► something that leads to this but it's [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► not like there is a super [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► secret about why she's so exceptional [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► although that's sort of refreshing in [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► some ways after some of the other [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► companion stories we've had but all [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► right Scott she knows what she did she [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► does and I don't affect they keep [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► telling the look she's so special she so [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► competent she could do everything well [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► that's because she had all the knowledge [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► of computers downloaded into her brain [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► accidentally it doesn't hurt before we [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► leave this episode on the subject of [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► mysteries there's another aspect of this [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► i like that you know we have the central [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► mystery of the Haunted apparition shape [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► and what the professor is investigating [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► and they're going to give one [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► explanation for that and the explanation [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► doesn't have to be like oh I never [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► would've thought of that because it's [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► kind of not obvious but like it makes [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► sense within the context of time travel [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► but as Dan said even after they [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► explained to you and it makes sense it's [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► still sort of creepy and that's what you [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► want you don't you don't have to kill [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► yourself trying to think of something [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► that's so clever the no viewer will ever [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► think of it because then ends up being [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► absurd or stupid you know give an [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► explanation for this [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► and once you know the explanation like [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► ooh that's still kind of unsettling and [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► weird you know [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► yeah that that's what I look for in a [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► doctor who premise and it sometimes [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► they're just trying too hard to out [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► clever themselves you don't need to do [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► that like it can it can be almost kind [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► of obvious or these obvious in [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► retrospect as long as there's something [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► to it like a Twilight Zone episode or [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► something we're right the big 10 members [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► like I was some crazy twist or whatever [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► but just somewhat unsettling and that's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► fine too i have to say that there's a [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► doctor who fans like to speculate [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► additional complaining about how it's [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► not as as good as it was when it was 6 [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► 25 minute episodes of the genesis of the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► Daleks what another doctor who episodes [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► like your doctor who fans like to fret [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► about our when will the doctor be [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► leaving and when will cool the next [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► showrunner be to replace Steven Moffat [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► who will that be and will be Mark Davis [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► will be somebody else and i will say [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► that if I had a vote today of the people [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► who've been involved with Doctor Who up [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► to now I think I might actually say Neil [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► cross I know he's got Luther and he [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► might have other things on his mind [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► might not want to do it but i only say [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► that because this was a very good [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► episode that showed his kind of [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► storytelling in a way that wasn't all [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► frantic and packed in and yeah he wrote [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► that really crazy episode the rings of [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► akhaten but i would say there [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► that I would cite that as an example of [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► him being willing to try crazy stuff so [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► you put the two together and that's not [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► a bad combination so you know maybe just [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► reminded me of a blink in some ways I [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► mean there's a similar sort of [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► atmosphere a similar sort of i mean [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► you've got the time era to write like [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► they're playing around with a little bit [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► i don't i just i'd there was something [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► very atmospheric and effective about [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► that in you know playing obviously i [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► think is the most people probably agree [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► the one of the best if not the best [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► episode since the reboot yeah so you [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► know if that's your your product you [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► have that sort of the president you're [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► looking at then this is a pretty good [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► audition yeah i agree that's why i asked [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► him to read another episode it was rings [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► of akhaten but you know hey this was a [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► good episode can't win them all [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► no all right I'm gonna take a minute [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► away from our discussion of Doctor Who [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► to talk about our sponsor yes it's hard [TS]

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00:43:51 ◼   ► now what book am I going to recommend to [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► you this is a doctor who episode of the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► incomparable so i'm going to recommend [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► to Doctor Who related audiobooks one of [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► them is shotta which if you don't know [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► is the lost episode of the Tom Baker [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► years of doctor who it was written by [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► Douglas Adams but due to an industrial [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► action as they call it which is [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► basically a strike [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► they shot all of the all the outdoor [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► stuff and then they were supposed to go [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► into the studio to shoot the rest of the [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► episode and all the studio state chance [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► were on strike so they never finished [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► the episode it's become this legendary [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► lost episode of Doctor Who so Gareth [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► Roberts who works on the modern Doctor [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► Who staff as a script editor [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► took douglas adams Original Screenplay [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► and adapted it into a novel sort of in [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► the style of douglas adams and the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► audiobook is narrated by lolla Ward who [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► played romana the companion in that [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► episode of Doctor Who so shotta just [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► came out [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► narrated by lal award SH á da you can [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► check it out in the show notes and it's [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► on audible.com and then the other thing [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► I'll allah i'll plug is something called [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► hornet's nest [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► it's an again a Tom Baker this is [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► notable because for the first time in [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► decades Tom Baker came back and narrated [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► this series of audiobooks called [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► hornet's nest written by Paul Mars that [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► are not quite audiobooks and not quite [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► full cast audio plays there somewhere in [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► between features Tom Baker it also [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► features richard franklin who played my [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► gates in the original series and several [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► other actors and it's a really [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► interesting weird creepy series of audio [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► adventures starting the fourth doctor so [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► those are just two of the many many [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► Doctor Who titles including books read [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► by david tennant and matt smith that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► you'll find on audible so once again if [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► you want that free 30-day trial and a [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► free audiobook go to audible podcast.com [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► slash and comparable and sign up that [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► will make them very happy that will make [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► us very happy anyway back to the latest [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► and greatest doctor who now journey to [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► the center CNT re because it's English [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► of the TARDIS speaking of you can't win [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► em all [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► alright the neyser out this is the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► episode in which these guys on a salvage [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► ship turn on a big magnet which breaks [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► the TARDIS I guess because this is the [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► doctor turned everything off because the [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► dark so that the cleric and drive the [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► TARDIS yeah because if you're going to [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► have you're gonna hand over your time [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► machine to someone who's never piloted [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► the time she turned off the shade all [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► the shield yeah because that makes [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► perfect sense [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► sure why not and and it does something [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► terrible that causes the starkest to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► supposedly self-destructive in 30 [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► minutes so the doctor essentially [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► forcibly kidnaps the crew of the salvage [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► ship telling them that he's going to [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► blow up the target is that they don't [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► help [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► I'm fine clara who is lost somewhere [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► inside there's also a scene at the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► beginning of this where they find they [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► see some feet underneath the TARDIS like [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► somebody's been crushed by the TARDIS [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and then the doctor appears from behind [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► them and it was unclear to me what that [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► was and whether that was supposed to be [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► the doctor Wicked Witch of the weather [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► which it was a witch featurette up [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that's right it was a end and then they [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► go through and there are there are times [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► amies wandering around in the TARDIS and [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► the TARDIS goes on forever and and and [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► chip I think this might actually be from [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► your podcast that we finally get to see [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► the inside of the TARDIS which consists [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► largely of quarters and one tracking [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► shot where she walks past a bunch of [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► entryways where there's been a green [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► screen and matted in is like a picture [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► of a swimming pool and a picture of a [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► library [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► we've been waiting for ages to see the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► inside of the TARDIS and it's Huey Lewis [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► and the news heart and soul video but [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► it's just really boring the library was [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► nice the library the library was nice [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► and very tall and i like that scene [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► where she's going past all those it's [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► like you know sometimes your imagination [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► is better than me then the reality or at [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► least the budget constraint reality of [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► my I found in in the Christmas invasion [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► I actually backed up and watch that [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► scene of david tennant in the wardrobe [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► picking his clothes out like a million [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► times being like a look at their spiral [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► staircase and it's all this and that was [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► it that we had seen other than when Amy [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► runs around in the neil gaiman episode [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► the doctor's wife so we get here and [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► it's kinda boring inside there it's just [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► running around and corridors with time [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► zombies [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► I I think use that you you nail it would [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► be sometimes your imagination is better [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and i think that's that's one thing that [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► it's really hard for a lot of TV shows [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► to realize especially things like the [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► Doctor Who which has such a long history [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► behind it is sometimes your imagination [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► is better sometimes you don't need to [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► show everything and the suggestion of [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► something especially that works great in [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► in a horror to write I think there's a [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► lot of times where it's like when you [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► let the person's imagination fill in the [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► scary thing as opposed to showing them [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► be scary thing which is a right I in a [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► rubber suit or a crappy CGI monster much [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► scarier when your mind is filling in the [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► blanks so the same way here and there [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► stuff i don't know this is a problem [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► with you know I think they're there some [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► this temptation of it's the 50th [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► anniversary we gotta pull out all the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► stops yes [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► so we're getting the inside the target [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► is they're talking about the name of the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► doctors will get to in a little bit all [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► this stuff where it's like you don't you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► lose more by bounding it to something in [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► reality now [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► oh and and possibly hanging yourself and [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► later sure the TARDIS is infinite you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► can probably get away with having all [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► sorts of you know additional things here [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► on down the road but the same time it [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► just I don't know it's to me it is it is [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► it's no matter what it would have been [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► it would have been anticlimactic it [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► would not have lived up to it like the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► fields of trenzalore like the we don't [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► need an explanation of that is just [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► great as a mystery right guys right but [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► so that was my main problem with this [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► episode is what I accept the TARDIS is [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► infinite on the inside right so why [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► would the doctor bother you know [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► Shanghai Shanghai three barely competent [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► but i salvaged guys to help him look for [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► someone in the targets that he has been [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► flying around in hundreds of years and [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► he has seemingly no idea where anything [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► is either all of course that he says the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► target is reconfiguring yourself fine [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► whatever but it just doesn't make any [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► sense there's no reason for him to bring [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► them with those three had to learn an [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► important lesson about turning your [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► brother into a robot haha tomorrow the [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► end of the story it's like that and that [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► was that don't do that there's a couple [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► things in there that are you see there [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► are things in their great ingredients [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► right i like the idea of someone being [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► lost inside the TARDIS because it's huge [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► and I like the idea even that the doctor [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► doesn't know all the way around it [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► because we've established that it's [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► basically a living entity right and it's [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► temperamental [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► I mean I'm okay with that I even like [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► the fact that he that he basically tries [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► to blackmail these guys you know [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► threaten them into helping him even if [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► it turns out to be a bluff because again [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► it's that edge line that we've seen the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► dr walk in the past where it's well [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► sometimes he's kind of insane and I i [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► kinda like when they veer into some of [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► the darker stuff for him and we haven't [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► seen that as much with matt smith as we [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► did say toward the end of the david [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► tennant run but there's there's [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► definitely stuff in there their [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► ingredients i like the problem is yeah [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► they're connected kind of haphazardly [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► and the stuff that doesn't really make [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► any sense i I couldn't figure out [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► I got to the end of like you know where [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► they had the times on bees and was like [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► amazing amazing what were these guys [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► what happened [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► um I like the idea that one of them was [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► Claire all burned up that was a that was [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► devastated is fine to me [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► Wow no not not in the way that Scott [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► would have meant that if he had said no [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► no it was an interesting twist although [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► there are things about that sort of [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► don't make any sense either [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► well like a clerestory is very confused [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► and I'm always looking for something to [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► latch onto it as her arc so whenever [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► they hinted the fact that shit her story [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► is that she doesn't know that she's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► constantly dying the doctors trying to [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► hide that from her [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► that's a reasonable tension that they [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► kind of let sputters that like she could [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► if she had kept dying and that the [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► doctor was tortured by the fact that he [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► knew that she was going to keep dying [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► and it's hard to like hang out with [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► somebody when you know okay well in 10 [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► minutes you're probably going to die but [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► I really don't want you to know that I [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► going to meet you in the next episode [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► anyway but they didn't didn't really [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► stick to that but in this episode was [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► there a little bit of our he's like I [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► know that that's you and you're probably [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► gonna die and I know it's tough to keep [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► going on if you know what's gonna happen [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► to you but just you know we got to kind [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► of go with the flow air and you might be [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► printed [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► no wait i'm confused that's totally [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► also that they you're going to be fine [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► and look fine until at some point you [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► instantly turned into a molten lava a [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► monster zombie time [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► cotton is not true for all of us well [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► that's a place where special effects are [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► limiting factor you can only you know [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► yeah i was just kind of hoping that that [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► could you not tell this and have them [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► like it become increasingly kind of [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► damage looking and and be like you know [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► we're not going to make it now where we [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► know we're doomed and and then they [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► realize that these guys are them but [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► instead it was sort of like you know I [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► like the scene where they're locked out [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► there surrounded on both sides and [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► they're in this fatal chamber [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► I mean that's that's pretty good right [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that's not a bad little set-piece that [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► they look like well what do we do we [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► have zombies over there and zombies over [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► here and we're standing in this fatal [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► radiation this is not good armies to the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► left of us sometimes the invite us [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► exactly as the you know it's a classic I [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► think Shakespeare did something about [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► that anyway [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the star was learning to us to take that [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► clarity Anchorhead and have its memory [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► erased the end of it [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► yeah I did out i liked actually kind of [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► liked the ending just misses I know any [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► people could say well it's just a reset [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► button and [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► that but we saw those a very literal [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► reset but yea big friendly button and it [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► we see it at the beginning and it comes [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► back at the end and it i don't think [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that's much different than having you [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► know data see the three dots on Rikers [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► collar and say oh ok and you know that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► sort of not the point and I felt like [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► they had set up in the beginning enough [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► that it didn't bother me in the end when [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► when he rewrites the past the brothers [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► though I didn't like that that was that [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► seems that was such a bizarre story [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► about the brother who they told is an [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► Android and is always one extra plotline [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► always one too many [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► yeah that did not really i mean if you [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► just had the three brothers being you [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► know hijack the android thing was [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► totally superfluous it really like you [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► could take that out there and it would [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► it would it would not harm the story [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► they don't they don't need the conflict [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► like the three brothers can be [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► characters and companions but they [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► should be like one plot entity they [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► don't need to have their own [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► interpersonal conflict because we don't [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► care about the resolution between those [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► two brothers aren't characters that were [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► invested in so we're not like all those [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► guys you really make up because it's not [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► you know so don't don't add conflict and [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► tension between two characters that [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► we're never going to see again that we [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► don't care about that's just a waste it [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► does the doctor really need to be put in [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► a position where he's a kidnapping these [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► guys and lying to them and locking them [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► in the target so that he held me there [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► if they're going for his are three [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► angles like like damn was saying with [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► later tennis then find that you you [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► could build up to it but they didn't [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► they never really committed to that to [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► that trajectory for the season [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► yeah they didn't they didn't earn that [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► you know I just don't I don't think that [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► that's consistent with matt smith and [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► how he's played the doctor at all i [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► think that's I think that's and he tries [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► to stay later I was just fooling you and [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► thinking that but i think that's kind of [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► kind of bad and I think it's bad I have [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► it I have it it's a call back to the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► very first episode he kidnapped him just [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► like yeah that is barbarous just as mean [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► as William Hartnell was its 50th [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► anniversary happy anniversary everyone i [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► had to restore by doctor who christmas [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► have some well play that's why you're [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► well Matt Smith does have like he did [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► hit the darkest matt smith has [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► depression because after the whole Amy [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► Pond thing he supposedly you know it [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► goes off as you know boy what do i do to [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► these poor people or whatever that's [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► another one of my complaints about this [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► season is that like that the Clara ark [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► was like [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► this season is going to be someone or [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► something has to pull him out of his [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► funk because he's like oh I totally [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► screwed over that pond girl and Rory and [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► everything what kind of person am i what [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► am i doing to these people like that is [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► that's his dark side or at least so far [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► we seem as Darkseid is being depressed [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► and the doctor is kind of a terrible [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► person and bad things happen when you're [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► around him and we needed something this [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► season is like who would pull him out of [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► this but it you know within 1 episode is [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► like a look at this chipper young girl [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► she's so cute and I'm fine I'm back to [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► being the doctor and I didn't like that [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► speaking of overall season things and [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► I'll just take these three guys who will [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► be of no help into an incredibly [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► dangerous situation for no real reason [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► yes and there no he'll be fine and that [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► guy's not a robot by the way what huh i [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► know i would you do that to your brother [TS]