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the incomparable number 142 may2013
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welcome back to the income I guess I'm
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your host Jason snail and we are here at
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long last to talk about the second half
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of season 7 of Doctor Who one of my
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favorites of all time and we we refrain
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from doing the flash episode by episode
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podcast and instead are going to cram
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all eight episodes of the back half of
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the season into one super-sized and
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comfortable podcast joining me to talk
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about doctor who r Scott McNulty hi
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hello Jason it's good to have you you
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know there's someplace I think someone
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could cram some of these episodes but oh
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we will not talk about Star Trek though
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this time but we'll save that for next
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John siracusa is also here hi John that
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Star Trek was a fantastic movie now
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that's the next one we got backed up its
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summer are lots of things are happening
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in Game of Thrones and it's too much
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going on Dan Morgan is also here because
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he's often hear hi dan and I really
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enjoyed the scottie parts behind you're
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killing me again wrong thing wrong
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franchise please please
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and I have called in an expert witness
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it is the host of a podcast that I
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listen to faithfully the 2-minute Time
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Lord podcast so named because it knows
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say interesting things and get out
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quickly unlike other podcast i could
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name such as this one it's chip from the
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2-minute Time Lord hi chip
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I and I preferred star trek into
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darkness and the original Klingon oh
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dear there there are original
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no they're not original Klingon Senate
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are there they're not unoriginal they
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they don't like to talk today if we
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don't speak of it enhance clean their
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enhanced they have pumpkin heads is chip
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aware that he needs to talk for more
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than two minutes because we often go on
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yes well maybe we should all take a cue
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from chip and talk a little less except
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for Scott I don't often talk for more
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than two men actually Scott Scott's got
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that's true it's me and and and and John
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have the problem all right let's get
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into it so they split this season in
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half which caused much consternation
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among doctor who fans pointing out that
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this means that there are a few
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episodes being produced because there's
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essentially these half seasons over the
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course of two years but be that as it
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may we did have eight episodes that ran
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over eight weeks so we're going to think
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back to the start of this at the end of
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March and the first episode of this of
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this half season was the bells of st.
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John which you may remember as the
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episode with the the motorcycle that can
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go up the side of a building and the
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white evo Wi-Fi that that sucks you into
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the cloud where you get a little
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suspicious that Glenn isn't here on an
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episode that involves Wi-Fi is all I'm
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yep isn't it in maybe a little maybe
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so this was a bad this hahaha it is not
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it is not by far the worst ever gonna
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no I that's that's faint praise I think
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wow burn get it it's this this is has
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the unenviable task of setting up a
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meeting between the doctor and his new
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companion except there's one problem
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which is we've already seen them eat you
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know arguably once if not twice before
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and it in some ways this actually felt a
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little bit like a like a russell davis
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episode era episode in the sense that
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I'm it was it had a lot of high concept
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what if there was an alien in the Wi-Fi
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what if there was a monster that had a
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spoon for ahead haha and and I don't
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know it in the end I I there are things
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about it that I like I actually likes
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some of the interplay between the doctor
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and Clara and they're they're kind of
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back and forth but but yeah a battle it
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just was it was just very generic almost
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to me it as a well I guess the
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obligatory introduce the companion
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episode the plot was not the high point
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although I agree with you that the I
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liked a lot of the character
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interactions between the doctor and
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Clara I think they have be the actors
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have really good chemistry and that
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manages to save some otherwise subpar
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plotting maybe that's just me that
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ministry in a vacuum though like I i
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agree the two actors seem to want to do
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something but you can't just have those
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personalities you have to have a
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supporting story or script or something
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to justify that chemistry and I you know
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I feel bad for the two of them in the
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season because nothing against the Act
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the actress and matt smith is great and
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everything but if if they're not given
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some kind of overall story arc to tie
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their chemistry to like you think of you
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know Amy Pond the girl who waited her
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she has had an arc and and intention for
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the entire thing with her and Rory and
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the triangle and even then that resolves
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and she wonders what she's doing with
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her life that carried the rest of her
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sparks for this isn't miss this
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particular episode is a lot like a lot
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of the ones i think back of an intended
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error where ya the plot is silly and
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there's some stupid thread and maybe the
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threat is dumb and involves bad cg or
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whatever but if the companion dr.
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relationship and their overarching fine
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then the part of the episode just
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background for letting these to advance
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their plot whether it's him and Don are
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in tomorrow or whatever like they're
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doing their thing and in the background
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and episode is happening and by the way
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the doctor saves the day during it right
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this one just had the background silly
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story and I didn't this entire seasons
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if I didn't understand the the Ark they
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were trying to do with Claire I did I
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just didn't buy into it I guess John
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were you bothered by the technology in
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this episode because this is one of
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those episodes words like the Wi-Fi if
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you log in and then you can download
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your brain and then re-upload your brain
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I mean I have a rant that maybe i'll go
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on later about about trying to hold
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something like Doctor Who to therefore
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the star travelers up to science right
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by me know where it works for that too i
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guess i am getting kind of tired of
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people pointing out the scientific flaws
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and in stories that are essentially
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fantasy stories but I was just wondering
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since I know John sometimes is
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especially bothered by the misuse of
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computers this seem to have a lot of
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that of this sort of like the doctor
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ends up and the doctor of all the
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characters in all of science fiction
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ever he's the last person I would expect
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you would literally open up a laptop and
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start typing and be like I mean I'm
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hacking into this thing and and he was
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doing it and it was it it didn't even
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seem like a pair
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pretty of those things it was actually
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the plot device was if i type really
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fast computers will do magical things
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which is just it mean it's just lazy i
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think i dont doctor who is so far off
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the rails in terms of being realistic
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computer I i'm playing and have
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complained many times in many of our
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doctor who podcast about the series not
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not being willing to sit down its own
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nonsense rules and follow them like I
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don't care you know it's never gonna get
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real technology right real history real
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anything right fun make up your own
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crazy rules about like what you know
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what are the rules about regeneration
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what are the rules you know what is the
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the doctor story what is his backstory
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and what are the powers of the various
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alien races at various different times
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and doctor who is flipping about
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sticking to those two its own nonsense
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rules and that that I find infuriating
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because if you're not gonna stick to
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your own nonsense rules then I start to
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disengage and I start to feel like I
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nothing matters because anything can
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happen any moment but i never do that
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because the technology is wrong terms of
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real-world stuff because i don't have
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that expectation of the show
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well this is something that sort of
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endemic to Doctor Who over like 50 years
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of history it has never been consistent
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we've been adjusted the last just in the
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last seven years or so we've had the
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show arguing with itself over whether
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time can be written rewritten or not you
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know perfect their fixed points of
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yeah except when they're not or but it's
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dish but i think that that I think that
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you I it makes me feel better about the
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show to think of it as first and
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foremost a family show and second
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science fantasy rather than science
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fiction at that sort of that sort of the
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heritage of the thing that the downside
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to that is that it's harder for adults
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and fans watching it to to sort of set
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set aside our desire to have everything
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makes sense and take it take it
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seriously but you know this is a show
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that's had transforming transforming
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robots piloted by little people that can
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grow motorcycles and mind you Jason that
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was a that was a Steven Moffat episode
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of russell t davies episode it your
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right arm yet I i have been I it has
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been reliably told me that not long
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after this episode aired by the way uh
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people's Wi-Fi network names started
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changing and developing a mysterious
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well it scared see the stats that part I
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like because that's the Doctor Who trick
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of like you know scaring kids and and
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people in general but scaring kids about
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with Rick mundane things around you are
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scary and that's that's I mean moffatts
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trick especially is that I didn't mind
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that I just mind the month the mundanity
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of the doctor with a plastic laptop just
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kind of doing a lot of fast typing and
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saying I'm controlling a duplicate of
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myself and now I'm fixing this computer
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networking because that's just that's
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just boring and mundane and and I guess
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that was my my my problem with it
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I to John's point I would argue that
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especially thank you chip for
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elucidating that the consistency of
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doctor who is it's inconsistent
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I'm not asking for like you know
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multi-generational or even across doctor
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I know I could visit without that some
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people are going to get all you know
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cranky about the fact that well that's
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not consistent with something that
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happened in 1972 like I don't care you
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know I mean even I'm will even willing
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to get clean breaks between doctors i'm
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just saying like like three episodes ago
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or perhaps in the same episode cannot
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see minutes ago I don't know how things
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work and if you just keep changing the
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rules immediate cranky and and the thing
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is like I you know that's not my
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personal complaint with Doctor Who but
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I'm willing to accept it if the other
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stuff carries me through and read that's
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that's right yeah yeah anything more to
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say about the bells of st. John I'm
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disappointed the title didn't have more
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to do with the episode because it was a
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good title and a good premise and they
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have a few seconds and you never see it
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yeah we have the way I there are two
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things i like particularly one the
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eventual neutralization of the villain
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that we see in the episode
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what's your name miss kismet yeah that
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was kinda I thought that was dark and
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kind of creepy with a razor and she's a
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little girl's mind yes like I think that
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was that know that effectively creeped
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me out so I so thumbs up to that yeah
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that was that was the other thing I
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liked about about this episode was that
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yeah and we have the setup for the great
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intelligence although we also
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you know yeah they could they could have
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done more with that but I'm sure we'll
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go into that shortly
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well and the very least this episode
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teaching you a valuable lesson about not
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logging in to random Wi-Fi strange why
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find other people who I it with your
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brain yeah although is there a human
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being on the planet who is as clueless
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about locking into Wi-Fi ask laura is in
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yeah really what well that was the thing
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I was gonna say to your technology point
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which is like walking onto Wi-Fi it's
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like all right this isn't like a hacking
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into an shl write like this is the one
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thing everybody in the world who's got a
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computer has done at some point at least
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represent it reasonably also if you're
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if you're going to take over people's
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brains don't put in unintelligible
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symbols on there just say free public
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Wi-Fi and all you go
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that would be true scary Jason too scary
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alright let's move on because you see
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we've only got started and and the best
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is yet to come because the next episode
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oh man is is Neil crosses the rings of
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akhaten which is a very very very
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strange episode where they go to this I
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guess it's like a space station or
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something or something or a moon its
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orbiting of what looks like it's a gas
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giant although maybe it's a son I'm i
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was kind of unclear and some of the
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it's a very strange episode the doctor
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ends up waking up this old God who turns
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out to be not the old God but the guy
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who who when he wakes up it wakes up the
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old god it's of it did i mention that
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it's a really strange episode and what I
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liked about it was that it was unlike
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any doctor who episode i've ever seen
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before and it was it was really trying
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very hard to be weird and bizarre what I
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didn't like about it is that it made no
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sense and it was awful so that's my what
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did you not ready to know i mean i like
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i like being bold i love i love that it
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was weird but I didn't like the episode
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you can see the kirby krackle everywhere
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yeah its cosmic man like like far out
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space hippie Jack Kirby cosmic the pot
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and a plot is broken i mean i was
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thinking about me the pacing on it was
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so weird like it just you know it kinda
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wish of these things into like things
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that should take a be sort of a
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drawn out thing into like two second
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burst I mean there's some really great
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stuff in there I like sort of the the
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feeling of the planet when their first
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wandering around it there's all the
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aliens everywhere
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yeah they find the little girl yeah yeah
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and there's a lot of their the the the
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sort of what we think is the villain the
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beginning again and effectively creepy
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eventual villain witch which brought me
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back to some of the david tennant was it
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the the satan pit you know yeah that
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their reserves and creepy stuff there
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too but as an episode it doesn't hang
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together it's totally weird she's flying
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a motorbike through space
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it's like I don't know it just to me the
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structure and overall construction of it
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just seemed like he totally wrong and
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just off there's lots of doctor who
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episodes where it comes to some alien
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situation and there's something that
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there's something that seems strange or
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a little bit off and the viewer knows it
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before the people in the episode and
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you're you're rooting for him to figure
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out that something is weird and when
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that's the central mystery of an episode
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like oh my god this spaceship is
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surrounding a giant whale that we're
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talking you know like however yeah
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whatever similar Minnesota there that's
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a lot of Doctor Who formula sometimes
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the mysteries dominant sometimes it's
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going but it didn't there's a little
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girl little bit mysterious and then it
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just goes off in about 800 different
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directions at once and by the seven
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things that are explaining this guy's
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the alarm clock and not the thing and
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you gotta hold or you gotta tell me but
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like you know I didn't lose me and and
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and yeah the motors heavy door so
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there's a back door so she likes a you
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know mounted vehicles that because its
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side of the building on an actual
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motorcycle and now we have space
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alright whatever well which is
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interesting too because this is this is
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Neil cross by think this is the first
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time we've seen him writing doctor who
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he's previously I was again he's the
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he's the showrunner of Luther which is
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an excellent show by the way although
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are very very dark disturbing story is
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he wrote hide which we'll get to in a
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right which is the best show and I when
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they said they said here write another
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one and this is haha well maybe only
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have one good one and this one I
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actually liked far more than i should
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have for all of the for all the reasons
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that you guys said
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I I shouldn't have cared for it but
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there's something audacious about it i
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mean there I great is it is weird just
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weird it's weird stuff pyramids in giant
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pumpkin headed sons are planets or
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whatever that whatever it is yeah yeah
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you know I'm gonna clock Laura coming to
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the rescue with a leaf and all the stuff
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you it shouldn't it shouldn't work for
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me and if I and if I am honest with
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myself if I look deeply into myself yes
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it doesn't work but I i'm a sucker for
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the operatic stuff and the rtd years uh
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the russell davies years you know there
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that was operatic and sentimental and
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then and sometimes to its detriment but
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this was a noble failure to be and I
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kind of forgave the i kinda forgave the
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failure because it was something that I
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hadn't seen in Doctor Who before and i
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would like to see doctor who get weird
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as hell more often
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just a little more a little more plot
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coherence and believable physics would
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be nice to I feel like if they had
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scaled back the weird just a little at
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the end it might have hung together more
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having the layers of the like the bad
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guy who's not really the bad guy have
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and where you've got the whole satan pit
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kind of think the consumption of memory
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thing which happens so late in the game
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and it makes it seem like the doctors
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memories are going to be consumed but
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then he's fine it you know that that was
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it was it piled on so high and every
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time I was like trying to catch up and
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say we'll wait a second how what does
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and it didn't mean anything and we moved
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on to the next weird thing but i agree
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with you about how audacious it is i
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would hate for Doctor Who to be boring I
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I much prefer it
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striving and failing then just kind of
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having another I mean that that's the
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thing about bells of st. John is that
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it's it's a little more bog-standard
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doctor who and I think I'd rather them
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not I I'd like them to shoot for the
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stars a little bit more even if it means
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that they exploded failure from diet I
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doctor who fans are notoriously
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conservative this was so not a
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I thought it was a little bit timid
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though because whenever I see a doctor
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who episodes that have lots of false
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endings like Jason was saying like oh
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this is the big climax is going to eat
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his memories or not or he's going to you
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know it's a battle of wills against this
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just and there would be another thing
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after another thing I like lots and lots
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of false endings because they're afraid
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to commit to the consequences of anyone
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that they had put up before that that
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shows me that they didn't know how to
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finish it or they were trying to have
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their cake you need to have seven
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dramatic moments at the end you just
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gotta pick one yeah and I mean the same
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thing with the middle part of this like
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could we have just cut out all the
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middle business and jump right to the
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and were staring at the big giant
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pumpkin son and sucking memories out of
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him and the leaf like I i feel you know
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the rest will see David you know the
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music there's they have not overused the
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season but they definitely did admit the
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end of the tenth run for the music goes
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and if one had this big epic thing
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happening and you have to earn that and
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I think in the 10th season as they did
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learn that a significant amount of times
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then towards the end they were just sort
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of like going through the motions and
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this one this episode I don't think they
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earned they don't didn't turn the payoff
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the way they want to especially since
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there were so many different false
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starts and there if i have a specific
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complaint about this episode would be
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although it tried of billion different
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things and sort of one after the other
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some of the more familiar enough that i
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felt like it was almost it was a little
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less audacious at times and a little
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more recycled and I don't know whether
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that's maybe that Neil cross just wasn't
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aware that he was exploring ideas that
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have already been explored but like the
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singing in this episode is kind of
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interesting and weird but it reminded me
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of gridlock where there was also a lot
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of singing and it was done better the
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satan pit very much an episode that i
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think is underrated from the tenant era
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and the ending of this is very
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reminiscent of that so I felt like I'd
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seen that before and that was kind of
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disappointing it's like recycle bits in
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this episode to even them wandering
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around on the planet at the beginning
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reminds me of the doctor and donna doing
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their thing in the bug goes on the back
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and yeah yeah I was a better episode
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this is remind me a better episodes so
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so several points for for for trying
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something new but it didn't work demands
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crap well Scott comes in there at the
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end just lays it down
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stupid what's that say five people
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products lying 10 out of 10 for style-
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several thousand points out of 10
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yeah yeah yeah weird weird you know I
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don't mind the weird it this actually at
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this episode reminded me a little bit of
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farscape those who might have remembered
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that show that was a show that had
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episodes that were it was storytelling
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in a way that I just had never really
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experienced it was I think maybe
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something about being made in australia
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maybe maybe the writers were writing it
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in in a style that I'm not used to
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watching mostly American and some
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british TV and it reminded me of that a
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little bit too like I'm not quite sure
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what i'm watching this doesn't seem to
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be how you would tell this story at all
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and i like that because I feel
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completely disconnected from my
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expectations it just let me down in the
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end but but weird
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where does not bad we're just good it
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just didn't work
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alright let's move on to Cold War I
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written by Mark Gatiss this is a the
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eighties nuclear submarine episode with
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the return of the ice quarry for this
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can this scene get could this season get
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anymore i love that we have okay we've
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gone from the evil Wi-Fi
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yes to the strange alien planet with
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singing to the Cold War nuclear
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submarine episode i just i do enjoy as
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you were saying a little bit before
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about them being bold it does seem like
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they have really decided to cut loose
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and jump around a lot like totally if
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you mix in the first half of the season
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that their last fall
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you know in in some ways these all these
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standalone episodes it is sort of Steven
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Moffat saying i will show you just how
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versatile doctor who is which has always
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been one of the great things about
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doctor who is it can it can be anything
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from week to week and so this week we
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have this eighties Cold War nuclear
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submarine / monster movie plot that
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happens here with David Warner as the
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Russian scientists who likes listening
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to English pop on his Walkman which I
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actually I love David Warner and angry
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and I believe devil Seaworth as the
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captain of the submarine yes that's
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right the onion night he see sadly
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illiterate my latest
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still still still gets the sale about
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I'm very confused by your mixing of the
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game of thrones with Doctor Who so i
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watch this episode twice i actually when
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i watch the first time partly because i
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was watching with my family and it was
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and it was a little bit chaotic and
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we're eating dinner and and I I didn't
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like it at all and when I watched it the
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second time i actually liked it better i
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was i think my expectations were off
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when i watch this the first time I was
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really disappointed David Warner didn't
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have much to do but he has he has enough
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to do I think I you know he's a lot of
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fun and I like that the ice warriors
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just a strange thing because it's sort
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of like the fifth or sixth or seventh
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doctor who monster right its way down on
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the list hasn't been around since the
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early seventies and they tried to do
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something new with it
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this did feel like one of those episodes
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where they had sort of way too much
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story to pack in and so there are a lot
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of just jumping around and and and cut
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corners don't know what did what did you
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but why should there be that much story
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for this kind of episode is the kind i
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was actually hoping for before I saw the
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episode like the kind where he's trapped
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in a confined space i guess the ones
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where they have low budget you don't
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like we're gonna have one set i guess
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that is not that low budget but it
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worked with a doctor is trapped in a
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space ship or vessel or transport of
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some kind and the whole story is going
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to take place there they're gonna be
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trapped in there is going to be danger
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and like this is epitomized for me for
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the episode whatever it was the thing
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it's got diamond dirt something midnight
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everybody anyway where was the creepy
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people talking to it like that's one
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room and all you need there is one room
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windows some blue screens and a good
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script and you know it's the doctor
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trapped in extreme situations gotta
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figure a way out
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I'm all thumbs up those episode great
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put them on a submarine do something
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wrong the submarine maybe there's an
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alien maybe the trap maybe the submarine
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doesn't have power and conveniently
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spark the TARDIS out and lot J and you
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can't get through it again
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he always does that I don't know why
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fine go with that but the ice warrior
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who I didn't know cause I i started
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watching doctor who you know with
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Pakistan so I had no idea was a previous
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villain and kinda like his motivation
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was never really clear I didn't know how
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to read him he's angry right if they
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tried to cattle prod sometimes and he's
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acting out of time because he's been
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sneers right it's a weird combination
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where like he really essentially the
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speech the doctor gives is who he really
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holds a grudge is you're gonna be sorry
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he's really a mean guy and I like chain
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him up and I leave him alone that Clara
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has to go down there for some reason why
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did she have to always read the parent
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peril and then she runs yeah and it's
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just you know i like i like the the
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eighties vibe I liked most of the
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submarine crew i like the fact that the
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submarine was like disabled and you're
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endangering a submarine that's always
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good with the insurance kind of noise i
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would like to better doctor trapped in a
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weird situation thing
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yeah i mean middling for me I mean I I
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like cold war stuff a lot and I'm you
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yeah yeah I think there's a deliberate
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attempt here to evoke things like hunt
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for red october which is a great movie
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but yeah it doesn't something didn't
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quite fire on all the right cylinders
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for me but there is a lot of like I'd
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like you like David Warner I thought he
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was great it was aight i enjoyed his
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character even if he is only used
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sporadically but i really enjoyed they
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had he had some good interplay with
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Claire I thought good stuff with Clara
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yeah and so again a maybe somewhat oddly
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constructed at times but overall i would
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give this one you know it's slightly
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better than average this is one of the
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things that I see some doctor who fans
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comment about a lot of these episodes of
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the season was it could have been a
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two-parter and I actually feel like most
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of the cases what it what what what I
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feel is that it should have been
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simplified not that it could have been a
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two-parter but that it just should have
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been simpler like skull back the ice
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warrior I feel like his motivations
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could have been simpler I I feel like it
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what what what you what did you find let
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annihilation feature in the plot like it
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a whole lot going on and that it could
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minds and that is the name Michael pick
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this one in particular they look
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there's made this they made the sub look
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decommissioned radioactive Russian sub
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with the water spraying everywhere is I
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water and not electrocute people so they
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yeah and it looks it up the ice warriors
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yet the ancient ancient bad guy Robert
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rubber suit bad guys and I'm a very bad
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some of the the sum of the crappy
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costuming and the rubber suit monsters
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decent job of updating this this
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creature that I had absolutely no
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interest in seeing the it looked it
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concede that it's the that it's a suit
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of armor and there's a slithery lizardy
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monster inside it is instead of just a
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it was like Alex in the old days yeah
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yeah well except this guy
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you move around maybe they could have
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done a little bit more than just have
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some guy wearing a pair of gloves sort
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of dangling upside down off-camera put
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their hands on the guys heads to be
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scary but all that water in the
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submarine was a very expensive they
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couldn't afford more cgi i like it like
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he stays to the shadows so you can't see
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them click so that it's less complex cgi
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yeah but you guys are right this is a
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this is what they called back and the
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second doctor episodes this is what they
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called a base under siege story and so
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efforts to show you the different kinds
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episodes from the past you know it's
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almost it's almost a 50th anniversary
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thing in and of itself that the ok let's
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do it Patrick Troughton base under siege
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story with the ice warriors here you go
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let's do something that Douglas Adams
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must have been smoking something really
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interesting so we'll do the rings of
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akhaten O think things like that
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um I like this one it was it had sort of
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the hunt for red october kind of vibe
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not terribly substantial but it Pacey
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yeah yeah yeah I I mean I liked it
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better the second time I wouldn't say
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that it was great i think the ending is
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also kind of questionable with the and
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they come and they get him and he
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decides to show mercy and you know but
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but uh the iie you're right i think
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doctor who has never looked better in
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any of these episodes and this is a good
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example of that and funny ending where
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Antarctica at the South Pole and he
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alright let's move on to hide and I I
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want to do that because this is the the
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episode the Neil cross road that that
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made them set up and say you should
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write another episode which led to the
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rings of akhaten and I'm going to say it
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I think maybe this is the best this is
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certainly the best episode of Doctor Who
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in a couple years at least it is one of
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Steven Moffat era but probably the
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entire revival I think doctor who has
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never looked better
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have some quibbles with some of the
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storytelling this is the episode that
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assistant who is an empath that they go
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and visit in a haunted house and i I
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episode really i like how it looks
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working together and i even i even like
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that the kind of weird parallel universe
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that the doctor ends up in which is
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colored you know all blues and cold
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colors after all the warmth of the of
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the seventies mansion and I even like
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the twist where it's in true doctor who
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fashioned not actually a haunted house
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at all but involves something
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science-fictional so Dan you said that
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you really like this one too right I did
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a lot of the same reasons I mean the
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production values he said was great i
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thought it was effectively is very
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atmospheric yeah I mean and if there's
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one thing they've nailed the season it's
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really a while the atmosphere is great
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but this one managed to deliver i think
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on something that was both kind of eerie
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with the whole ghost story part of it
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and also that somehow connected back to
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even when even when that that arenas
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gets neutralize quote-unquote you know
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because it's explained what the what the
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background is behind it it's still
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creepy like the creatures that you deal
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with even if they're determined to
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eventually not be exactly harmful
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they're still creepy right and i think
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that's nice there's sort of a
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through-line there it's not like Oh
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silly to be worried about that thing all
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along and I appreciate that
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pieces here and there there's some great
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casting again Dougray Scott as the
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professor i love the way i reminded me
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very the the earth atmosphere this
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reminds me very much of the BBC BBC show
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the hour which is a period drama and
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they do a nice job of listening to him
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and he's got the same accent as one of
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the characters on that shown is that
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he's got that nice Scottish brogue it
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reminds me of I mean it reminds me
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seventies Doctor Who to which is I think
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part of what we should mention
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Jessica Raine to who is the Midwife of
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call the midwife
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big pretty show Americans logic she is
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the Midwife and I i turn my wife halfway
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through and i said i said i don't know
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how the story is going to end up in the
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last five minutes or so is not great but
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I said this is the best-looking doctor
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who episode i have ever seen like this
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this is like feature film quality look
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now they constrain it to the sets in the
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haunted house but the way it's shot the
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weight the weight of the it's colored
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just amazing work I find it kind of
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ironic that we're talking about lots of
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script problems this season as opposed
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to saying well you know it's very
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imaginative but they didn't have much of
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a budget so it looks terrible this is
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the reverse of that it's like there's
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some script problems but it looks great
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i'm sure that we get the holographic
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interface to the TARDIS back again
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that's a cause that's a callback to a
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david tennant christopher eccleston yeah
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and I just enjoyed that you know Claire
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gets argue with herself for a while
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yeah also as a as my want i will mention
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that i enjoyed that there were several
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elements in this episode that reminded
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me of supernatural
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Oh Dan well there's cold spots with
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ghosts and stuff like yeah there are
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creepy go six of the ends out there
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it turns out that it's a an alien or
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it's a time traveler who's lost in time
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because they're her ancestors and I and
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then also there are a pair of of aliens
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because of the space-time displacement
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wanna they wanna all the spooky stuff is
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actually just an alien that mrs. its
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mate i just wanted to be loved just
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wants to be like I can all scary face or
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even scary ugly aliens want to be loved
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so that's that's at and I like the fact
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that it's this time traveling person
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who's gotten kinda lost in time and he
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recipe Davis episode he takes the he
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takes Clara from the beginning of life
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on the earth to the end of life on the
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earth that while he's taking pictures
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figures out that this will this a
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astronaut is caught in
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a very slow time parallel time thinking
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if I could jump in here about Clara arm
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when we see her at the first half of the
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series in the solemn of the Daleks and
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the Snowman she is just so ridiculously
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competent yeah it's amazing here all the
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way through this especially in this
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she's i want i won't say generic because
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I I there's something about her
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performance that I simply adore I think
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she's the best companion actress the
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show's had since 2005 but but she's not
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the super woman she is a she is an
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ordinary girl who is it who rises to the
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occasion sometimes it gets scared
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sometimes I I get what you guys were
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saying earlier about her being a bit of
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a cipher and how the actor has to pour a
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Coleman does with this role even when
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there's not much on the page
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I i still am just sort of watching I I
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like jenna-louise Coleman a lot I I have
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a theory about Clara which is that in
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some ways she's written to be the
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perfect assistant assistant the perfect
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companion so she's kind of taking all
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the boxes in a way to just sort of like
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be and that's part of that mystery of
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what is she and why she the impossible
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girl and all that and and so she does
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read a lot different than like austin in
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the Sun along of the Daleks super
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knowledgeable and super snarky in a way
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that Clara isn't but the pair's the
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pairing in this episode 2 of clearing
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the doctor and I guess this is the first
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episode they shot together after the
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Christmas special so this is the first
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episode where she was acting as the
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modern-day Clara I i don't know i like
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that i like the interaction there and
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then the interactions across the the the
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repairs where the doctors talking to the
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professor and and Clara is talking to
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Emma about you know about their they're
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sort of roles in these in these this two
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sets relationships i thought this
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the opposite of what the previous ones
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had done where what happens when you
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take away maybe thirty forty fifty
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our story elements and you're left with
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a few haunted house one single mystery
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what the explanation is for the haunted
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house to people in the house one
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relationship between them
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dr. relationship with a partner maybe i
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would leave lose the lovesick monster
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yeah like to drop that one out but other
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than that like there's not that many
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elements there's one there's one set
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there's very simple threats simple
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explanations for them
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you don't have to move to seven
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different locations to resolve this plot
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over everyone you have that room to
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breathe then you can you know flesh out
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the relationship between the professor
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in the system and flesh out the
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different ways that Clara can feel
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instead of just being you know smoky and
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pouty and clever having a couple you
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know and that it just gives that the
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show room to breathe I thought and yeah
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it's nice that it was you know a single
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set or even was a real house for real
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said whatever you did it didn't look
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good you didn't have that lots of green
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screen in bed cg and everything and just
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let the show breathe when you get a nice
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episode right there is really nice quiet
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scenes with dialogue in the first half
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of this with the various characters in
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the haunted house that are so great and
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not kind of insanely fast paced and
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you're right it does it does breathe
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because it's a simple story
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Scott did you have a verdict on this one
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I say this one's good
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yup alright i don't want Clara but
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others in the hell is on any of them but
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that's insanity I don't like her I think
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that the ib the actress center is a
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lovely person to find why do i why do
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you hate generally is Coleman personally
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personally why do you
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well she did snub me once but that's
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some free she knows what she did right
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Scott exact option I don't need to tell
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somebody when you know okay well in 10
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stick to that but in this episode was
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there a little bit of our he's like I
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know that that's you and you're probably
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gonna die and I know it's tough to keep
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going on if you know what's gonna happen
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to you but just you know we got to kind
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of go with the flow air and you might be
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no wait i'm confused that's totally
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also that they you're going to be fine
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and look fine until at some point you
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instantly turned into a molten lava a
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monster zombie time
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cotton is not true for all of us well
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that's a place where special effects are
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limiting factor you can only you know
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yeah i was just kind of hoping that that
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could you not tell this and have them
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like it become increasingly kind of
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damage looking and and be like you know
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we're not going to make it now where we
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know we're doomed and and then they
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realize that these guys are them but
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instead it was sort of like you know I
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like the scene where they're locked out
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there surrounded on both sides and
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they're in this fatal chamber
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I mean that's that's pretty good right
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that's not a bad little set-piece that
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they look like well what do we do we
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have zombies over there and zombies over
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here and we're standing in this fatal
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radiation this is not good armies to the
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left of us sometimes the invite us
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exactly as the you know it's a classic I
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think Shakespeare did something about
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the star was learning to us to take that
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clarity Anchorhead and have its memory
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erased the end of it
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yeah I did out i liked actually kind of
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liked the ending just misses I know any
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people could say well it's just a reset
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that but we saw those a very literal
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reset but yea big friendly button and it
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we see it at the beginning and it comes
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back at the end and it i don't think
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that's much different than having you
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know data see the three dots on Rikers
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collar and say oh ok and you know that
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sort of not the point and I felt like
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they had set up in the beginning enough
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that it didn't bother me in the end when
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when he rewrites the past the brothers
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though I didn't like that that was that
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seems that was such a bizarre story
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about the brother who they told is an
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Android and is always one extra plotline
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always one too many
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yeah that did not really i mean if you
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just had the three brothers being you
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know hijack the android thing was
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totally superfluous it really like you
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could take that out there and it would
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it would it would not harm the story
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they don't they don't need the conflict
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like the three brothers can be
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characters and companions but they
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should be like one plot entity they
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don't need to have their own
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interpersonal conflict because we don't
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care about the resolution between those
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two brothers aren't characters that were
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invested in so we're not like all those
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guys you really make up because it's not
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you know so don't don't add conflict and
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tension between two characters that
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we're never going to see again that we
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don't care about that's just a waste it
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does the doctor really need to be put in
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a position where he's a kidnapping these
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guys and lying to them and locking them
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in the target so that he held me there
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if they're going for his are three
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angles like like damn was saying with
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later tennis then find that you you
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could build up to it but they didn't
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they never really committed to that to
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that trajectory for the season
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yeah they didn't they didn't earn that
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you know I just don't I don't think that
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that's consistent with matt smith and
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how he's played the doctor at all i
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think that's I think that's and he tries
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to stay later I was just fooling you and
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thinking that but i think that's kind of
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kind of bad and I think it's bad I have
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it I have it it's a call back to the
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very first episode he kidnapped him just
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like yeah that is barbarous just as mean
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as William Hartnell was its 50th
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anniversary happy anniversary everyone i
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had to restore by doctor who christmas
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have some well play that's why you're
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well Matt Smith does have like he did
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hit the darkest matt smith has
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depression because after the whole Amy
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Pond thing he supposedly you know it
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goes off as you know boy what do i do to
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these poor people or whatever that's
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another one of my complaints about this
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season is that like that the Clara ark
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this season is going to be someone or
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something has to pull him out of his
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funk because he's like oh I totally
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screwed over that pond girl and Rory and
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everything what kind of person am i what
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am i doing to these people like that is
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that's his dark side or at least so far
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we seem as Darkseid is being depressed
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and the doctor is kind of a terrible
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person and bad things happen when you're
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around him and we needed something this
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season is like who would pull him out of
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this but it you know within 1 episode is
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like a look at this chipper young girl
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she's so cute and I'm fine I'm back to
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being the doctor and I didn't like that
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speaking of overall season things and
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I'll just take these three guys who will
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be of no help into an incredibly
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dangerous situation for no real reason
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yes and there no he'll be fine and that
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guy's not a robot by the way what huh i
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know i would you do that to your brother
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that that seems excessively meaningful
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that's like a party a party game like
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when you're drawing marker on people's
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faces when I fall asleep or you make
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selling is that I mean that's mean but
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that's not excessively meeting with
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where it's been pointed out in the
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chatroom that this allows them to have
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their their timely and important
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anti-bullying message
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don't don't tell that kid that these are
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road all your little brother he's an
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anti-rape you might believe it it might
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be funny for the first few years but
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eventually it becomes a source of tennis
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like the equivalent of telling your
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little brother these adopted right like
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oh yeah mom and dad don't love you
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because you're a robot that let me get
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this straight there's a horrible
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your father was killed and your brother
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is brain-damaged what do you do you
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mainly on the list of rain damage but
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yea spaces lonely and this is not a lot
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of entertainment
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wow we got to make do with what you guys
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all right let's let's um let's move on
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that was not for everyone ah what's next
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the Crimson horror by markets which is
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the the penny dreadful right it's it's a
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there's a there's a horrible secret in
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the factory and they go there with the
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and told in an interesting way where we
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we don't see the doctor for a while and
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turns out the doctors already been there
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and has been captured and has been
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dipped in a terrible substance that is
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paralyzed him but it's the
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investigations of Madame vastra Jenny
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tracks the are our intrepid team that we
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last saw in the the Christmas special
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so we got the Victorian era mystery
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another game of thrones cross over here
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because the the villain in this
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Oh Diana Rigg diana rigg yes I i kinda
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liked this episode because it was kind
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of silly and silly and ridiculous and
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fun in a way i get again they did a good
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job of nailing a time period you got
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that sort of victorian-era and I love
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Jean right it's it's that it's that kind
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of story it's the very Victorian kind of
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right right and I and I enjoy the
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secondary cast who we've kind of grown
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to know now right do Madame vastra Jenny
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and Strax I i enjoy their appearances
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they have a good dynamic I really really
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like strikes like anything with tracks
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in it and so you know for me I felt like
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I enjoyed the first ten you know 10 15
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minutes when you don't really get into
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having the doctor and then that to me
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that makes it more satisfying when they
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eventually do get him cleaned up and he
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gets back into shape there and I mean I
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think your monitor is that we've been
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less like well this time the
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Frankenstein monster red hulk right
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around sure good
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nice try John good comic book guy
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reference yeah I'm so yeah I i was a fan
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yeah I love those characters i mean i am
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the more the more Strax and Madame
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vastra you get better and Jenny actually
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takes the lead here which is nice
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because she was kind of the the least
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focused on of those three characters I'd
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say and you know I just
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it's a declare is at the back here
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Claire kinda doesn't have anything to do
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here but as Scott would view that as a
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plus right i infected you know but I I
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don't know it was it was a it was fun it
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was it was ridiculous right because
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she's got a rocket I'm not sure they're
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how the rocket technology comes to be
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that she's got it is a simple think
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you're right you're right where the
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Zeppelin's they just need some more
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Zeppelin's I didn't realize I was just
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looking at the wikipedia entry be the
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actress who plays diana reyes daughter
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is actually going on with sorry yeah oh
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yeah and uh and there's a lead
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yeah and uh and there's a lead
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there's like a brain leach that's behind
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it all which and y know I never liked
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chepa sodes I don't like little beach
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sonra yeah i like the bug episodes will
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go with it's a big bug or something with
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the leech episodes or it's just like
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this little and then you feel bad for
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what it's on the ground like a little
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like a little shrimp crawling around you
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like that was a that was our existential
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threat that blind girl just had an
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amazing game didn't she
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yeah she's lashing out at stake I I am I
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i got a good props to I got your props
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to diana rigg for being willing to take
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the the the leech prosthetic in stride
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she's classy she's a classy lady yeah so
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the first leash things might this was my
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favorite of the season
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I I swear it was so much fun it was it
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was it was it was it had some of the
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weirdness in not making sense of the
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rings of akhaten but it was just pure
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yeah i agree that's all I ask for in my
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doctor who is I asked for
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I asked for fun that doesn't make me
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angry yet though this was this was yeah
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that I think that's exactly it is is I
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don't I don't necessarily feel like it
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had that the kind of like the the tip
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the depth or the where the flavor of
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something like hide but it was i I just
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had a fun time the entire time I was
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just sort of like oh this is great look
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at those characters running around
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there's a of course there's a leech
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that's kill you know and I I didn't have
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to i didn't get upset it's like well I
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mad that was leached that's not you know
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I my expectations weren't I was just
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having fun watching it did of course
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there was a brain leach at the end that
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was why not and there's a rocket that's
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going to take the leech the red dye
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thing and covered the planet and read
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why not why not why not indeed because
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of the doctor he stopped because he
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stops at all that's true that's true i
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like i like that of course uh at the end
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of this episode there's also the very
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strange scene where they go they go home
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and the kids that Clara is watching say
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hey there's pictures of you in the past
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but we have well bad bad pacing in that
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part but again clearly something that
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was tacked on to lead into the next yeah
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my understanding is that there was a
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scene about that maybe
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Camille games episode and it was too
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long so they moved it and inserted
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something there but anyway Crimson
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horror and Markakis as a lifelong fan of
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Doctor Who and somebody who's written
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from the very first season he wrote the
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charles dickens episode the unquiet dead
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for for the Christopher Eccleston's
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season when he gets a lot of crap from
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Doctor Who fans who generally I think a
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lot of them don't like his work
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I think he's hit and miss but this I
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thought was a hit and I also like the
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unquiet dead so you know and I thought
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Cold War was ok but this was I thought
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his his winner from this season I just
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thought it was a lot of fun
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yeah Jason I like your idea of Neil
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cross being the next show runner but i
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think the odds-on favourites clearly
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canis clearly let's talk about nightmare
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in silver which is a neil gaiman episode
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now course neil gaiman comic book author
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novelist generally a beloved writer Matt
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town he is a raconteur yes absolutely
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and I love people love him and people
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loved the doctor's wife which is an
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episode that he wrote for 4 last season
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Scott didn't like it some i liked it i
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don't think it was the best episode of
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that season but which a lot of people do
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but i liked it and and it turns out
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nightmare in silver seems to be an
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episode that is a quite polarizing I
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I'll just say that I don't get the
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Cybermen i'll just say that well the
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Cybermen nobody likes the cyber haven't
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we already Cybermen fans out there
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haha i like maybe as your head if you
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like this I like I can't it's a podcast
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you can see the hand i still can i still
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can't entirely distinguish them from
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Daleks at best they're charmingly
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incompetent I don't think they're
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charming at I so here's the thing this
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this episode was not great but I thought
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it was fine i thought it was actually
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kind of a your average fine doctor who
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episode in that there are some things to
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like it's not ever going to be on my
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all-time best list
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i like the little cyber mites the like
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little quirky / calling silver cyber
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things i like war
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Warwick Davis in this is great I thought
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he was fantastic brian is trying to be
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accounted little Dinklage there the
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put-upon royal short person
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yeah i actually was thinking I was
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thinking player cards right war with you
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too can end the game of thrones i don't
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know i mean is there anybody in I see
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not doing this but I was satisfied with
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his eventual rolling the proceedings
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yeah i mean though it be he starts as
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the you know guy i've heard that under
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the chessboard you think and you are
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supposed to think I boy and over the
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course of time you know it it's revealed
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he actually is which I don't know did it
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was anybody surprised when that was
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revealed because i know is i don't
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really but like I like they gave it
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actually gave him lying a few things to
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say that he I think he has a certain
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gravitas now that he didn't have his
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like your green wicked or whatever and
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you're willow yeah well I really liked
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him and I'll defend below and his part
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sure but Dad gravitas was not like i
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said i got a 29 well i think yeah
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exactly i thought they weren't shooting
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your grabbed us nobody here he's a he's
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a believable you know emperor who's kind
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of leg dip and doesn't want to be the
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Emperor for a while right use cartridges
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an old story and all that yeah I like
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that I i like that i have a Cyberman you
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know there are things about the Cybermen
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in this episode that i liked i don't
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think that I would actually say they
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were scary i felt like they were worried
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they were no they're never scary i like
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them better than the old kind of cranky
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marchi Cyberman here's the problem we
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have several right because everyone's
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Cybermen we destroy the entire galaxies
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because of the Cybermen we can't beat
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the Cybermen if you jog away from the
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Cybermen can catch up to you unless he's
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that one social advances the beginning
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that was really cool because he was fast
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and I thought oh my god the Cyberman now
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are actually a threat but then no other
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Cyberman does that example
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they're metal zombies they're very ugly
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pay our time it's just the one really
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fast one how come the why don't
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understand whenever my wife was like
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well maybe the other ones didn't upgrade
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to that yeah why wouldn't they when they
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saw that it worked all the other ones
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could upgrade instead of having to like
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take off their head to lure someone just
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go really fast and kill everyone sorry
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cyborg shouldn't they not be able to
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attach their heads because they are
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presumably is like a skull and
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instructors Wi-Fi it so it's in the
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Wi-Fi Bluetooth actually its close
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proximity to get ahead can't be too far
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away other thing that's great about this
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is uh I thought that Smith did a great
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job in this in the scenes where he gets
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attached with anything again how do you
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make the Cybermen interesting is you
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have this whole other thing that's not a
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Cyberman but it's the syfy programmer
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that's attached to his face and you got
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one side of his face and you get all
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those shots where we're willing he's
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talking to himself or or we actually see
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him sort of the inside his mind talking
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and I liked all of that I thought that
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was I thought that was actually really
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good stuff and actually showed to that
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matt smith is actually a pretty good
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actor and that he isn't just the doctor
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in real life and that's the only kind of
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party can play he he does some really
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nice things as the cyber planner and as
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about the end as the cyber planner mr.
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clever posing as the doctor but not
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actually the doctor I I thought that was
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all really good stuff but I could have
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done more with his a like when Clara
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trying to tell whether it's him or not
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but I'm desperate for some kind of real
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interaction between the two of them so
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they got like one or two little
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exchanges but not much but I and I also
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wish there was a slightly more clever
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resolution to the chest thing but you
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know what it was fine but I I overall I
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liked that the all the things they tried
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to do in the episode you know the
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premise that you dispense with pretty
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quickly once he became the two people
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think I like that idea
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I like the chess game and sort of the
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internal battle vs the external one that
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I guess I didn't like the Cyberman but
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whatever they march around they get
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zapped blah blah blah i like the
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randomness of being in the in the castle
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at the amusement park although i've had
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a pointed out to me by a few people that
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it's introduced as being kind of like a
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wacky castle and there's nothing wacky
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in it it's just a castle they got to go
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work with what they have in England it
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has the double-blind they call the wacky
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castles you go into it it's not went out
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and that's why it's wack not wacky this
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is the one episode
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that I did wish got expanded into a
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two-parter if you i'm a big game and
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fanboy but i thought there were problems
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in the script here that needed to their
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stuff that just happened too fast to the
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Sun walking if you go to game its blog
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and all this other stuff up
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he was actually fairly Frank talking
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about scenes that got cut up all over
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the place there was actually an
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explanation of why the kids were put to
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bed in the room in harm's way instead of
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inside the TARDIS and things like that
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you know I i thought that this episode
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could have been expanded into a
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two-parter and I'm held up pretty well
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well I would have been happy to see more
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work Davison and you're right the that's
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a bad nannying right as it as it is on
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screen you'll be fine it's just let's go
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to bed here in this scary alien planet
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the TARDIS isn't big enough for them
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yeah well there's a whole song is on
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this number how they can't go back there
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but well if they really think they're
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afraid of bunk beds
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well you know do you see what happens
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when you let people wander around the
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TARDIS they could turn into a time
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zombie that's no good
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true mmm the doctor could just shanghai
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somebody yeah i really like the end to
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where I porridge the emperor emperor
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great emperor portage proposes to Clara
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I thought that was funny and it's like
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you could be the queen of the universe
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in there but if it but she tells the
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doctor to shut up right that's like this
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but that's just what uh was an aria said
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what if I never want to be queen of you
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stop crossing over the things and it's
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all one big one big show when the TARDIS
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lands in Westeros then we'll wait no
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that's very confusing i guarantee you
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that fan fiction has been written i'm
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sure you would watch that episode to
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admit my other problem with this which I
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thought was fine overall I mean find
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someone I think it's stupid but that's
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not really his fault is that so
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portage have the ability to activate
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this bomb right and then you can
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everyone immediately teleport away so
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why didn't he do that sooner and I was
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like oh I don't want to blow up another
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one and he didn't want below is blow his
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he was trying to get away from the
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wildlife it it doesn't make any sense
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they are being threatened by the most
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thousands have been scary
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threats that humanity and look at it was
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just like Ron of them in the beginning
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and this is my only walking side and he
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doesn't think maybe I should just you
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know use my intercontinental missile
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here and get picked up by my flagship
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that can only teleport me across the
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universe away from this thing does it
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eventually he will just wait till the
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last possible minute that's all
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of course understand who's gonna ride a
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chess game yeah it wouldn't be an
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episode otherwise alright let's move on
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to the last episode of the season which
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aired very recently the name of the
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I where there is the most bizarre
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conference call in history that's the
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sleep conference call across time and
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then the there are these scary guys
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called the whisper men who kidnapped
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everybody and take them to trenzalore
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where the doctor is supposed to never go
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because that's where he is buried that
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is his tomb which actually is a call
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back to an earlier episode work in hide
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where Claire asks if her grave is out
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there somewhere when they reach the end
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of the earth and he says yes all of our
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grades are out there somewhere and and
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here it is and we we get to see river
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song we discovered the mystery of of
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Clara and how she came to be the
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impossible girl we find the final plan
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I guess of the great intelligence which
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is to get that doctor once and for all
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yeah haha him is his name is our cat
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like infinitely and all in for all yeah
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and and also this serves as the selling
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this John earlier today this also serves
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as in some ways the this is the official
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50th anniversary fanservice episode
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where it's like we're going to show you
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all the classic Doctor Who actors or
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costumes or whatever in this episode
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make presumably so that they don't have
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to do that in the actual 50th
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anniversary episode that's coming in
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november i would i would not presume
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well as make sure the same three Clips
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like 17 times the total presumably they
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have a deeper library like aren't just
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for this show just keeps on the same
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three clips but for with 50 and not on
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the BBC's budget the rest of the library
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has been lost yeah it's been deleted
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probably how YouTube some our tape they
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taped it over so a Benny Hill yes of
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this is the hill this episode is we
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learned that Clara special because she
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into the doctors timestream basically
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because the great intelligence has used
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it to go back in time and sort of wrong
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everyone's rights and and do bad things
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to everything that the doctor is done
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that was good and so she's there she
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jumps in to counteract him i'm
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interested what you guys thought of this
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i might might take on it is that it was
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again this is I know this may sound like
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a broken record here but kind of a mass
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kind of a lot going on i thought there
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were some really interesting parts uh
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but it felt in some ways like Steven
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Moffat sort of knew what he wanted to do
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and then constructed an episode around
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where he wanted to go which is not the
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same thing as telling I think as telling
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a good story it's more like just uh you
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know workmanlike reaching a destination
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in it you know throwing in the things to
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to get there so he's he's dazed ticking
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yeah like that's it's uneven as it
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doesn't feel natural to do what it feels
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like kind of a mess that just inevitably
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leads to thinking needed to get only he
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had done even that over the course of
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this entire season like I don't think
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even take the boxes because if this is
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where he was trying to go like that are
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so this is acquires eventual architect
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where I have an explanation of how she's
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impossible girls going to lead to that
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last episode where you're going to
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understand why like is that it is like
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two points and nothing in between
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there's no real arc and so I by the time
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you get this last episode I'm perfectly
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fine with the explanation of how does
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she is impossible girl but you you
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didn't correctly spend your season to
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make me care about that you didn't earn
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it you didn't show your work and i'll go
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further I would actually say this would
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have been a great episode with a couple
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of things being different one is if this
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was a companion who we've seen for
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yeah so that the jeopardy of the
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sacrifice would have been greater and
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ideally this would be their sacrifice
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they wouldn't come back we could see
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them again but it was always the echoes
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of the original that would be really sad
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but also not quite as brutal as a real
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death but certainly even if they didn't
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die permanently if it was somebody
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really been invested in somebody like
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like like rose or like what happens to
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to Donna was only here for one season 2
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and that like bring one of the players
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and a half but it was thirteen episodes
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right layer 7 8 episode everything a
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half really makes it hard to get into I
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mean you know even with Amy you know we
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had what to do next
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yeah yeah that's a long to write and I
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mean that would have heard a lot more if
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that had been named i would much rather
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have this be a me write that then this
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and then the other thing I would say is
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the great intelligence of the other
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problem here which is that's a villain
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that we've only had for half a season
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and again if this was and this is sort
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of what the episode was trying to go for
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you get the sense that the great
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intelligence is like been wading through
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all time and space to get to this point
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because he fancies himself the doctor's
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greatest enemy and if this dog is like
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yeah if this had been an enemy you're
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you're in one episode of snowmen if this
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has been the master or or somebody else
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who is sort of like this long history
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and we've seen them over years even if
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it was just a couple years but is
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preferably a long time and this is sort
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of like their final gambit which is I'm
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going to kill myself but I get to erase
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everything good you've ever done that
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would have also had a huge impact but
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neither of these stories has the same
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impact because we've only really been
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following them for eight episodes and
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only spot even then even if you would
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have the great intelligence going like
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that to screw everything up and then not
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resolved it right now like but the
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problem is the entire episode to me I i
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turn to the person i was watching with
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afterwards and said this is just me or
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was that entire episode lead-up to like
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the last 30 seconds like it felt to me
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very much like all right we're done with
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this thing we're moving on to some other
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like if you had set up the idea like
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okay great intelligence is now gone back
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and screwed with everything the doctors
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ever done what spend a season exploring
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like what the impact of that might be
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but doesn't the impact of this is 30
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she goes back in they come back on yet
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convulsing on the floor so we soon bad
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they don't even really show they show
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anything to report anything seemingly
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she's just like oh hey look there's the
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doctor fire driving passing that stupid
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car he had to do and that's enough and
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it's just hard and I think that so the
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companion and I feel like the difference
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was a character Claire's a plot device
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dead because that would make it at least
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a little more interesting and that she
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the I thought it would make more sense
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but then I got you now she's fine and
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will you know do stuff
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alright i'm just kind of keeping the
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whole it didn't it didn't there was no
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peril there right because it was all
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lickety-split done you can take heart of
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the real clarity is actually dead and
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only hurt goes no no because the doctor
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sorry yeah I thought he goes back in he
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get the grabs your hand you got the guy
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you know you got John Hart there was on
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her and everything right and they go off
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camera but is she gonna be just back
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full-fledged exactly as she was no
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I soon so not keeping up with the news
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so she's this she's gonna be back in the
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actresses in the Christmas been the
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November 23rd special and I don't think
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that and I think it's been announced
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that she's going to be in serious am
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sorry that she keeps on keepin on keepin
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on via real quick I just to put on my
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doctor who nerd hat again the the great
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intelligence hasn't bit has been around
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for a bit longer than half a CC well he
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has but we haven't seen him since before
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I was born so I think that even though
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he's right he did have his robotic Yeti
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in the underground during Patrick
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Troughton Zarah it's not as if this is
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somebody who it we felt like finally at
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last I'm going to sacrifice a great he's
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it's been off it was revived eight
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episodes for those who only watch the
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reboot then there that has no meaning
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other than what we wikipedia right yeah
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right and I actually going to measure
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going going somewhere with that because
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this this episode was pretty much
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universally adored by
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the classic who fans and the people who
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hang out on the Doctor Who shirts and
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things like that you it works as an
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homage to old doctor who with lots of
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references and I I yeah yeah and and
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that and that's what that's what it has
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it's a mess though and as much as like
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as much as I want to like it because I
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you know I i have the fan
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gene I like having it as a friend of
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mine says another podcast I'm happy to
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have my fan gene service to but but but
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Steven Moffat is totally into a throwing
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out lots and lots of ideas and
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explaining the ideas that he feels he
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needs to and just and dismissing
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dispensing with explanations for the
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ideas he doesn't have to eat hehe
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explanations are not necessary as long
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as they get him where he wants to go and
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there's so much of that happening in
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this episode that it's it it's just
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plain hard to follow
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yeah I didn't even understand
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necessarily the resolution of the doctor
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going inside his own time line I really
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thought that was going to cause a little
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bit more of a paradox than hey i'm in
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some creepy cave place I mean like that
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should be a real problem right like
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going into tonight you don't mind me how
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I don't even understand it doesn't even
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make any sense again and this is kind of
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going back to John's point about at
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least be consistent in your own you know
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ridiculous stuff like to me that didn't
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really make any sense i mean i can
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easily adjust that they had just
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explained before he went and had this
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whole the expedition we think that women
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characters talk with your device
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yeah I did they all talk to each other
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to explain to the audience what the
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what's at stake with this thing and then
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immediately support everything that they
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said yeah I was really sad to see I feel
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like they squandered the whisper men
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which was yet another great production
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value on those villains who again yeah
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crappy and they were creepy but they
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were there for five minutes and like
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nobody cares it's like it had funny hats
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the topic i like their little luck would
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be Rhymes I hated the rhymes the other
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rhymes Steven Moffat got a thing for
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nursery rhymes and and all that night
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yeah I didn't there they reminded me of
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a cross between this the silence and the
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the paw wash my face yeah yeah and we
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just those both of those things I
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thought were very scary and they
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combined into something also scary i
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like the silence a lot better than these
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well I it could have been the silence it
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would have mattered right like they were
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they were not point there's no point
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yeah these guys could have been
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something but they're just the lackeys
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of the great intelligence that sort of
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all days while they are the not-so-great
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intelligences I wanted to say i am I
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think chip is spot-on that that and
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expect what I said earlier to that its
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mother wants to do what he wants to do
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and if the if the boxes are all
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connected then he kind of doesn't care
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and i think yeah you can explain it all
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away and I i am tired of people poking
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holes in fantasy stories be saying well
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what about this because you could
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explain away a lot of things but it does
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feel like you you want to kind of have a
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natural progression and it was really
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kind of jerky like you know okay I guess
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this is happening now but i don't really
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understand why there's a lot of cool
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stuff in here again I'm not saying you
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know I'm not saying that there wasn't
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I'm saying that it didn't connect like
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there's a lot of cool stuff the TARDIS
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being big and being his tomb and being
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overgrown that was my favorite my
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favorite part of the whole episode was
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like the fields of trenzalore I think he
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was just he's this season maybe yeah
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yeah last episode of season right yeah I
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I that was to use for an appropriate
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amount of time I thought it was cool
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seeing the big targets being the grave
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and that the idea that translator was
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great all that gives a big thumbs up it
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was like and I'm are also i also like
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the idea of the impossible girl the
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explanation of how she becomes what she
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it's just that once again this episode
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lots of other stuff in it and the river
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song stuff as much as I liked it because
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yeah who doesn't love every song right
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it was kind of like hey remember we had
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a good episode of this lady remember
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that while they and even on do the
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things that are good like I mean I I
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thought again effectively sad was the
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the murder of jenny and then they
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completely in right
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wipe that out that was great that was
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such a great scene where she's like
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converter had been murdered I'm sorry
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about what I mean like that gave me
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chills but they're killing me and I'm
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yeah that's why you still kicking me
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like that well I I'm saying I really
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right yeah but the problem is that the
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punchy at right and then because
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everybody likes her to market everybody
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and so that bum me out
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I mean not that I didn't like her but
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River Song this is the first time we've
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seen her after she was saved to the
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library and her first appearance after
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she died in one stage of the library and
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I thought this was the best thing in
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this episode because it was handled
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it wasn't cute it was in fact you could
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argue the most genuine relationship
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between river and the doctor sense
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silence in the library where he didn't
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know who she was the kiss that they
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share is the maybe the only time that it
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felt non-ironic in any way that it
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actually had meaning and it and even
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though we may see her again i'm pretty
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sure this is the end of her existence
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he's in in her timeline and I thought it
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was a fitting goodbye that she's from
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the library she still got a little bit
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more information to give to the doctor
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and then they say goodbye and she says
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say it like we're going to see each
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other again instead of saying goodbye i
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thought that was great
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I you know it there's lots of other
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problems with this episode but I felt
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like that was handled perfectly
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there's one other huge thing about this
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episode that I want to mention and it in
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it saves the episode for me and it's it
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actually subverts the idea of who the
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doctor is and right reintroduces some
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mystery to the doctor and that's
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actually kind of huge this the sort of
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contradictory a caption at the end you
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know we've just been told that John
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Hurt's not the doctor and introducing
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John Hurt askah fate BBC options and
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everything it was a little weird to have
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that on screen that feel weird anyone
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like me turn around like it's john hurt
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you know when trying to explain to
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people because the doctor looks
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you can show a guy and they're like
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who's that guy I mean as it is I thought
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it was fairly clear what they're saying
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here which is essentially this is this
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is a past doctor who did something so
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bad that he can't even be known as the
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doctor and how audacious is that to do
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that but but people people don't get it
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so the BBC and the producer said we'll
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just put it on the screen and I was
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with a big don't hear arrow but ship
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you're right ship you're absolutely
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what a wild I mean I love that it's
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really more about what happens in the
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next episode presumably but i do love
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that with that stroke Moffat has has
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called into question all sorts of
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assumptions we make about the character
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of the doctor this is the real
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unbelievable thing that we're learning
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that the name of the doctor which would
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be boring because it would be something
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boring or we're Johnny it's the fact
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that we may not even know all the
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doctors because we because here's John
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hurt and he's the doctor and he's been
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disowned by matt smith is like I don't
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even he didn't even you live up to the
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name which is like wow that's why you
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can't buy five like the basics when
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you're doing line numbers you want to
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leave room between the doctor never know
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also I i presume the very fact that they
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mentioned the valley hard
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enduring in conversation was to dispel
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anybody from thinking that hurdle is the
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yeah but my only other theory was that
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it seems like in general the doctors get
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younger and younger right like William
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Hartnell was really old and they've
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they've tended to get young ended sure
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I mean for the most part right i mean
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like davison was was younger and then
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they went older old people are ugly
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that's why they keep coming and so I was
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wondering if this is the is this is the
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very first incarnation of the doctor
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pre-wet William Hartnell was my my other
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theory that's the other theory but i
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think that this is the one who did the
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time war and killed all everybody in the
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time were and that I you know what
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that's pretty cool although it screws up
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everybody's number in god damn it will
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know because he's not the doctor right I
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know except he says but that is my great
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honor it is the doctors dr. ish look
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there's nothing doctor with I'm sure
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there's nothing that makes even off and
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happier than what is happening right now
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which is all these people saying but
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then the numbers are wrong and all right
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just like about the insane make them
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just like your heads explode
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it's gonna be the doctor with an
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asterisk well remember we talked about
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like a two seasons ago we talked about
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be like well what is it like 13
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regeneration is like all they've already
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extended to 14 or whatever like the end
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of the regeneration if they're gonna run
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this series well here's the easy out for
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you is like a hot really is X memory
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generations with the only regeneration
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is the counter when he's officially
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ending as the doctor or something I
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don't know but I that was fun because it
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was a head-scratcher although even then
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it was so kind of oddly done
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his name in the titles my kids thought
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that his name was john hurt like that
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was he doesn't know that he's an actor
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they thought to myself John is hurting
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that is John hurting the doctor what hey
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what hey that's done dr. John Smith but
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this guy is john hurt so he hurts people
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no that's not it its name of the actor
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he's actually the doctor oh is it Jason
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yeah or is he well i like that you know
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what I like that your idea about being
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the time war because that is something
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we've heard about since the beginning of
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the axon right and that's all knew from
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the reboot air right it doesn't think
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that that's the the biggest gap in
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Doctor Who history right is from the orc
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series of the new series and there's the
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middle where there was paul mcgann and
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then we'll and then Christopher
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Eccleston and what happened in between
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so it slides right on in there i think
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that could be i'm looking forward to the
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50th anniversary episode because i
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actually do feel like in some ways this
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last episode of the season was was was
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set up and clearing away some of the
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obligatory classic doctor who references
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to then tell a different story for the
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yeah i'm i'm i'm intrigued sufficiently
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trained and maybe maybe John Hurt can be
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the new companion and then haha
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he's Clara is the impossible doctor that
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fairly uh fairly disappointed by this
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this half-season does that sound about
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early on because I thought after cold
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warrior and I thought oh jeez they've
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completely lost it and then I they're
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managed to be some redemptive episodes
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I really glommed onto was like hey it's
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a good episode but in general I was you
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know it was kind of a letdown and and if
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you if you compare it to the the first
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letdown because i don't think i think
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that the batting average way lower this
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this season as a whole then it was the
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previous two years of the of them off at
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era for sure I don't think I thought
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they're also very few really amazing
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fair enough below average and it was
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just kind of forgettable I didn't find
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myself getting angry at it like you know
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but it was just kinda like yeah yeah you
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know I thought it was I thought it was
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consistently I thought it was
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consistently enjoyable but never
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spectacular i wanted to look forward to
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all the episodes more I mean I still
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look forward to them but then i get to
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the end and i feel kind of like yeah I
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wish that had been done better
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like I mean I don't remember like
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looking back now I try to remember when
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I thought that was that that high
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watermark and it may as much as I love
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Matt Smith it may have been the you know
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the tenant area especially towards the
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end we had tenants and with with
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catherine tate maybe I'll back out what
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they used to have like there was always
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one or two really great ones and the
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thing is like it you know Donna like
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right now if you clarify before she was
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only one season right yeah and like I
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think I think back and then it stretches
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out so far in my mind that it shows the
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evening just one season in one companion
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if you have a good story we forgive the
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crappy episode you only remember the
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good ones and you know like it it stands
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out more min I think even like the Amy
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Pond series which towards the end I was
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you know getting grumpy about even that
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watching this season I'm thinking back
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to I'm finding my mind wandering back
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like member many palms old and they let
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yeah that was you know that was the best
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episode from season yeah yeah I just get
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this this season made me just think back
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to other episodes that i like better and
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i totally acknowledge that I think that
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there were not any terrible singers in
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this one but it's just it didn't it
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didn't rise up and you know it gets back
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to what Scott was saying about Clara
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that just her being a plot device rather
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than a character was disappointing
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because I really did like the actress
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I'm actually hopeful that now that she
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said she is coming back and she no
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longer has the burden of being the
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impossible girl she may actually be a
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better character as it strange that
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sound what so what's her story now like
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what is her our quickest what is her
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voter what I i think it would be awfully
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refreshing if her story was that she was
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the doctors companion and like to travel
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with him and wasn't part of some
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complicated time-travel based story are
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then right then it's imagine the
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episodes for them to be like actual good
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episodes with interesting sci-fi prime
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yes or whatever that's i love that water
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well I mean her hook can be she was the
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impossible girl she saved him
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and now they can and now they've got a
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bond because of that I i love matt smith
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and jenna-louise Coleman as actors and I
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i think they can do interesting stuff
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with her going on in the future that the
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trick is going to be to give her a
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character art because muffin made this
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mistake with Amy Pond he made her the
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mystery to be solved and then when that
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mystery was over and done with
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then they had to figure out what to do
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with her and Rory and that was and and i
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would like to see him not make that same
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mistake right I agree all right we have
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talked to talk to talk it out
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we've solved all the problems doctor who
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we will roll onto the 50th anniversary
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where there will be a special on the
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actual day it's a saturday no less so
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it's perfect i utterly failed to model
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brevity tonight didn't that's okay
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yeah we ran a little long we we we've
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ruined you we've we brought you over to
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our side that's the 200 minute Time Lord
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it does so the 50th anniversary in
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November on a Saturday there's also as
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chip mentioned earlier the docudrama
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written by Mark Gatiss about the
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creation of the show which I i was
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actually I actually met chip at the
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gallery one convention in LA last year
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when one of the year the original
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director of the first episode of doctor
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who spoke it's a great story of how this
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show got on the air but against all odds
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with a with a team of misfits
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essentially who are the rejects of the
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BBC who did all the old guard the BBC
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didn't want them to didn't want to work
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on this ridiculous show and so they kind
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of cast off all these people and they
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made this thing that has endured for 50
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years so I'm looking forward to the the
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docudrama that is is also coming in
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november and then there will be a
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Christmas special after that and there
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will be a new series next year it's been
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I'm i'm going to assume that's going to
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be it for Steven Moffat and matt smith
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after that season but we'll see
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so there's a lot more to come and I hope
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I'm looking forward to it even though
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this year is not been the greatest so
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anyway and and Scott doesn't doesn't
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like Clara shame shames I I just met you
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and you're dead to me
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haha don't worry i I've broken myself
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into fragments and I'll just you just
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nah its diabolical alright i would like
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to thank my guests for spending all this
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time talking Doctor Who Scott McNulty
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you will always be known as the man who
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didn't like Clara goodnight i was
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shocked when dr. whose name turned out
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yes it was it was shocking i did not
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expand ooh thank you you've ruined
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I Dan Morgan thank you i was also really
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you hired I don't know what you're
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talking about John series with John
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siracusa thank you for being here you
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know Jason if the TARDIS is infinite
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isn't any place in at the center
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yeah I don't think the TARDIS is
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infinite I think that's wrong and I
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heard on a podcast wanna yeah I don't
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believe it and chip thanks for being
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I really appreciate you coming on and
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sharing your sharing your perspective
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and I enjoy your podcast so much that I
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just wanted to have you visit us so
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thank you very much i appreciate Jason
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chip you are i mentioned your podcast
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it's the 2-minute Time Lord tell people
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where you can find it it's at TW 0
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minute Time Lord dot-com and i'm on
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twitter and facebook at numeral two
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minute Time Lord numeral two minute I
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listen to the podcast I could I could
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have said that I did you probably could
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have done it word-for-word they're not
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all quite two minutes long but they're
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short and I like that they're short and
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little essay is about Doctor Who it's
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very nice do you regret using both the
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numeral two and then spelling it out of
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the URL so now you are forever having to
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distinguish which one is spelled out in
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which one uses the numeral and
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constantly being mocked for it by my
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fellow doctor who podcast right in there
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blue snowballs yes numeral two minute
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timely and we'll get you back for that
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Babylon 5 episode which will eventually
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woohoo yeah but until then this is jason
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stuff for the uncomfortable
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we'll see you later
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wait a second did we do a show on the
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first half of the season already
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we did we did was I on that show you
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were I think you were well alright a
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fragment of you take your word for it
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have I died before what do you say our
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good boy stepped into a vortex and erase
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your participant that's true well yeah
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we went in without now makes the hot
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cast can give you one better about that
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you are now played by a bit of that
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Cumberbatch no well that's something
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