The Incomparable

140: The Sublime Magicks of Exposition


00:00:00   you got a question Merlin yeah i did i'm [TS]

00:00:02   sorry i'm trying to be quiet i know [TS]

00:00:03   people don't know ask a question this is [TS]

00:00:05   a dream for me this is my this is my [TS]

00:00:06   this is my scarlet witch moment i'm so [TS]

00:00:08   happy to be here I'm not trying to be a [TS]

00:00:09   dork and more arms you guys I'm slowly [TS]

00:00:13   so angry now the incomparable number 100 [TS]

00:00:21   already made 2013 [TS]

00:00:25   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:27   uncomfortable i'm your host Jason snail [TS]

00:00:28   and tonight we're doing something very [TS]

00:00:31   special where were doing special edition [TS]

00:00:33   of our comic book club as if they aren't [TS]

00:00:34   all special [TS]

00:00:35   they also we're gonna talk about a [TS]

00:00:38   classic at least in terms of having [TS]

00:00:41   happened several years ago [TS]

00:00:43   Marvel Comics events called house event [TS]

00:00:47   which was a 8 issue miniseries from 2005 [TS]

00:00:50   written by Brian Michael Bendis who I [TS]

00:00:53   love from ultimate spider-man you may [TS]

00:00:55   remember this for how it ends now you [TS]

00:00:58   may remember for the aftermath you may [TS]

00:01:00   remember it for its continuity busting [TS]

00:01:02   you may remember it because it's the [TS]

00:01:03   it's a it's the cruelest thing in a [TS]

00:01:06   universe of cool things done spider-man [TS]

00:01:08   perhaps the coolest thing ever done to [TS]

00:01:10   spider-man anyway to joining me to talk [TS]

00:01:12   about House of M and various other [TS]

00:01:14   Marvel events that came out of this or [TS]

00:01:18   went into it or went around it in terms [TS]

00:01:21   of continuity i have an all-star [TS]

00:01:23   superhero panel first up a regular in [TS]

00:01:28   comfortable guest Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

00:01:30   Lisa like you to be here thanks for [TS]

00:01:33   being here and iannaccone a frequent [TS]

00:01:36   visitor to the incomparable is also here [TS]

00:01:38   hi Andy [TS]

00:01:39   hello Jason good to have you here we [TS]

00:01:41   have a visitor we've had on once before [TS]

00:01:44   moistest uyan is welcome back i'm glad [TS]

00:01:48   to be here [TS]

00:01:49   it's good to have you and for making his [TS]

00:01:52   making his debut appearance on the [TS]

00:01:53   incomparable using first and last you [TS]

00:01:56   love him you can't live without him [TS]

00:01:57   it's Merlin man Jason it's good to have [TS]

00:02:01   you here thank you [TS]

00:02:03   I can say anything I guess anything to [TS]

00:02:04   be very well okay that's good [TS]

00:02:06   yeah that's the Scott McNulty slot [TS]

00:02:08   doesn't work I'll be Lex I was hoping [TS]

00:02:11   you'd be siracusa so house of them I so [TS]

00:02:16   here's my admission I stopped reading [TS]

00:02:18   comics in the eighties and didn't start [TS]

00:02:21   reading them really reading current [TS]

00:02:26   comics anyway until two or three years [TS]

00:02:28   ago so I completely missed this when it [TS]

00:02:30   came out and only I think maybe a year [TS]

00:02:34   ago I read some of them and and [TS]

00:02:37   on via illicit means i have to admit but [TS]

00:02:40   i just reread them all using Marvel's [TS]

00:02:43   excellent marvel unlimited service and [TS]

00:02:45   app and I house of m is really [TS]

00:02:49   interesting because it's this standalone [TS]

00:02:50   miniseries and yet it's got all these [TS]

00:02:52   tie-in series some of them are special [TS]

00:02:54   standalone series others it's sort of [TS]

00:02:58   overrides regular issues of some comics [TS]

00:03:02   it seems like and it's this weird case [TS]

00:03:04   where it's not an event that really [TS]

00:03:06   happens it's sort of happens in the [TS]

00:03:08   Marvel Universe but it it's kind of like [TS]

00:03:11   a sneaky what if what if story which is [TS]

00:03:14   what if the mutants were in charge [TS]

00:03:16   essentially is that is that accurate am [TS]

00:03:19   I missing some horrible piece of [TS]

00:03:20   continuity here as far as i can tell [TS]

00:03:21   it's a it's it's happening in the real [TS]

00:03:23   Marvel Universe but it really is just [TS]

00:03:25   it's it's transformed magically into an [TS]

00:03:27   alternate universe for a while and then [TS]

00:03:29   transform back right [TS]

00:03:31   it's the most important what if [TS]

00:03:33   crossover ever because the effects of it [TS]

00:03:35   actually end up having an effect on the [TS]

00:03:37   actual Marvel Universe but I think [TS]

00:03:39   you're dead right that it's it's a lot [TS]

00:03:41   of story more than anything else [TS]

00:03:43   yes knows it's the it's the classic [TS]

00:03:45   gambit of like when you're playing chess [TS]

00:03:48   and you make your move but you keep your [TS]

00:03:50   finger on the piece you say I haven't [TS]

00:03:52   gotten yet [TS]

00:03:52   hang on i could take that movie back [TS]

00:03:54   haven't got yet yes it did [TS]

00:03:56   it's it was kind of famous because joe [TS]

00:03:59   quesada revealed like we took over as [TS]

00:04:02   creative editor-in-chief of Marvel said [TS]

00:04:04   that there are but a too i think he said [TS]

00:04:06   you mentioned there three specific [TS]

00:04:07   genies he wants to put back in the [TS]

00:04:09   bottle without mentioning what those [TS]

00:04:11   three genes were one of those was [TS]

00:04:13   spider-man's marriage he wanted that to [TS]

00:04:15   not happen anymore [TS]

00:04:16   another one woo exactly what's that [TS]

00:04:19   that's the podcast but the other but [TS]

00:04:22   that other one was actually very very [TS]

00:04:24   positive the problem of in some of the X [TS]

00:04:27   books there are apparently millions and [TS]

00:04:29   millions and millions and millions of [TS]

00:04:31   onions and he wanted to roll that back i [TS]

00:04:33   can speak to this an exhausting detail [TS]

00:04:35   and it got to the point where my mutant [TS]

00:04:38   superpower is is telekinesis except it's [TS]

00:04:40   like a game of tag and youyou really [TS]

00:04:44   that's the best you can come up with [TS]

00:04:46   I got teleportation but i can only go [TS]

00:04:48   through doors now imagine and [TS]

00:04:50   the book built around a character like [TS]

00:04:51   that because that's what they were [TS]

00:04:52   basically doing by that point was uh oh [TS]

00:04:55   here's a character who's who looks like [TS]

00:04:57   a chicken and has no other superpowers [TS]

00:04:59   and because it doesn't show up you start [TS]

00:05:01   by now ask and yes I am I read the [TS]

00:05:04   Exiles I read all the Exiles what you [TS]

00:05:07   see you need that many many mutants [TS]

00:05:09   because you had to populate the teams [TS]

00:05:11   right because there's let's let's run it [TS]

00:05:12   down the early 2000s have like the [TS]

00:05:14   extreme ! that was where the extreme [TS]

00:05:16   x-men we got the x-men the uncanny x-men [TS]

00:05:18   we got the X Factor you got the X miles [TS]

00:05:22   astonishing x-men don't forget that the [TS]

00:05:24   team that was on mutant x who went [TS]

00:05:25   around and did things in mutti town [TS]

00:05:27   xxs-3x explanatory he's the exciting's [TS]

00:05:32   xcor there was the Excalibur ecstatic [TS]

00:05:35   xfactor expeditionary was that actually [TS]

00:05:39   a team [TS]

00:05:40   no I'm making things up I'm just saying [TS]

00:05:43   there were lots of x-men suffice it to [TS]

00:05:44   say and Wolverine was on every single [TS]

00:05:46   one of those teams except for the exit [TS]

00:05:48   for the ex-girlfriends and the [TS]

00:05:51   expenditures when I stopped reading [TS]

00:05:53   marvel comics was right when the at the [TS]

00:05:55   x-men were clearly the most popular [TS]

00:05:58   comic i think every month and that was [TS]

00:06:01   just as Marvel was realizing that they [TS]

00:06:03   could do something with this and when I [TS]

00:06:05   came back I I was kind of taken aback [TS]

00:06:07   and when I realized that they finally [TS]

00:06:09   its franchise the x-men and boy did it [TS]

00:06:12   because when I left it was like the new [TS]

00:06:13   mutants was it the x-men and like two [TS]

00:06:15   from like 2003-2004 the x-men were kind [TS]

00:06:18   of like aaron spelling on TV in the [TS]

00:06:20   early nineties where they're just get [TS]

00:06:21   that he just couldn't they just kept [TS]

00:06:23   crapping out spin-off after spin off [TS]

00:06:24   after spin-off and and there would be [TS]

00:06:26   one thing that was compelling and the [TS]

00:06:28   rest of that you were just how is this [TS]

00:06:29   allowed to exist and at some point storm [TS]

00:06:32   is doing extreme fighting in a ring with [TS]

00:06:34   somebody and it to end and and sometimes [TS]

00:06:37   she has a mohawk and sometimes she does [TS]

00:06:38   and row he gets this crazy full sleeve [TS]

00:06:40   tattoo because she runs into some mutant [TS]

00:06:42   his superpowers is drawing tattoos on [TS]

00:06:44   two people skin i should do not this was [TS]

00:06:46   actually that's her power she could make [TS]

00:06:48   tattoos without using a needle and you [TS]

00:06:51   know at this point when the big bad [TS]

00:06:53   thing that happens at the end of this [TS]

00:06:54   happens and i was like finally man they [TS]

00:06:57   have shaken out this universe and down [TS]

00:06:58   to the deadwood and like eight million [TS]

00:07:01   Guthrie's parish which is all for the [TS]

00:07:02   best because that them got [TS]

00:07:04   family is the bane of my x-men reading [TS]

00:07:06   existence would be useful to give people [TS]

00:07:09   a rough idea of the story so so what [TS]

00:07:12   happens is as these people gradually [TS]

00:07:14   learn these heroes gradually or take it [TS]

00:07:16   Wolverine basically says I'm gonna go [TS]

00:07:17   find people and even though they are [TS]

00:07:20   living their dream i'm going to wake [TS]

00:07:22   them up to the harsh unreality of events [TS]

00:07:24   here and so he goes and then one by one [TS]

00:07:26   they kind of assemble all the [TS]

00:07:29   superheroes and remind them that they [TS]

00:07:31   aren't living you know just because [TS]

00:07:32   you're in this wonderful mutant forward [TS]

00:07:34   society here and actually you know [TS]

00:07:37   there's actually the real world where [TS]

00:07:38   mutants are downtrodden and let's let's [TS]

00:07:41   touch spider-man so that he who you know [TS]

00:07:43   who wins stays alive his uncle ben is [TS]

00:07:45   alive he's got yeah they're very happy [TS]

00:07:48   let's wreck that ok well and he's got [TS]

00:07:51   this kind of creepy adulterous thing [TS]

00:07:54   that sort of like on the verge of [TS]

00:07:57   happening with maryjane right well [TS]

00:07:59   because she stars in the movie of his [TS]

00:08:01   life as his wife also Hollywood slut [TS]

00:08:03   also creepy so so the the and and really [TS]

00:08:08   the story seems to be there waking [TS]

00:08:10   everybody up to the reality that that [TS]

00:08:12   except for Captain America because he [TS]

00:08:14   was never frozen and it's just an of an [TS]

00:08:16   old guy although such a tissue that was [TS]

00:08:18   kinda nice but I kept asking myself I [TS]

00:08:23   was surprised to not have more of them [TS]

00:08:25   be like you know this world is kind of [TS]

00:08:27   nicer than for us than that other world [TS]

00:08:30   I guess that was them being heroic and [TS]

00:08:31   all it just seemed very strange to me [TS]

00:08:33   that it's like this world in many ways [TS]

00:08:35   seems better two then the one that we [TS]

00:08:36   left we gotta stop going to put a stop [TS]

00:08:38   to that [TS]

00:08:39   that seems listing with spider-woman [TS]

00:08:41   whisk was pretty great [TS]

00:08:43   yeah then and then we'll bring it's a [TS]

00:08:44   high level someday you'll be embarrassed [TS]

00:08:46   you said that like why should she be [TS]

00:08:47   embarrassed she's asking a perfectly [TS]

00:08:49   rational question just our lives are [TS]

00:08:51   pretty awesome have to an irate so so is [TS]

00:08:56   it fair to say that there are two [TS]

00:08:57   reasons why house of them is notable [TS]

00:08:59   there's there's that it is it is in and [TS]

00:09:01   of itself a story about this this sort [TS]

00:09:04   of what F world that is ruled by mutants [TS]

00:09:06   and it's relevant in terms of Marvel [TS]

00:09:08   continuity because at the end of it when [TS]

00:09:10   this when the original marvel universe [TS]

00:09:12   is reset some people who are at the [TS]

00:09:14   center of this [TS]

00:09:16   you know this blast wave at the end of [TS]

00:09:18   of the story remember everything that [TS]

00:09:20   happened in this parallel history that [TS]

00:09:22   was created but but secondarily it's the [TS]

00:09:27   end result of the story which is in in [TS]

00:09:29   many and and if you don't know you [TS]

00:09:31   should read it read the issues poor you [TS]

00:09:34   listen to this podcast anymore stop what [TS]

00:09:36   are you doing this whole podcast spoil [TS]

00:09:38   it is a giant spoiler [TS]

00:09:44   so the end of issue 7 the Scarlet Witch [TS]

00:09:47   who has created this parallel universe [TS]

00:09:49   she says no more mutants she's like so [TS]

00:09:51   she's so infuriated by by mutants i [TS]

00:09:55   guess and buy her own kind that she [TS]

00:09:57   declares that there will be no more [TS]

00:09:59   mutants and then and then issue 8 is the [TS]

00:10:01   aftermath where the world has kind of [TS]

00:10:03   gone back to where it was except that [TS]

00:10:05   some people remember what what had [TS]

00:10:08   happened and and for some people that [TS]

00:10:09   that's a quite tragic because the idea [TS]

00:10:13   here is that everybody has been given [TS]

00:10:15   essentially their hearts desire all of [TS]

00:10:17   these yes all the powered people the [TS]

00:10:20   idea why I guess that Pietro and Wanda [TS]

00:10:22   team definite said well if we just give [TS]

00:10:23   everybody exactly what they want then [TS]

00:10:26   they'll leave us alone and nobody with [TS]

00:10:28   the crazy idea to kill the woman who [TS]

00:10:29   could work who can warp reality it well [TS]

00:10:31   and what here where it breaks down is [TS]

00:10:35   when you look at the spin-offs they're [TS]

00:10:37   horrible dystopias so you know and a lot [TS]

00:10:41   of major characters die in the spin-off [TS]

00:10:43   sides argued with my big deal about [TS]

00:10:45   dreams come true hearts tiger's heart [TS]

00:10:47   desire was to be shot [TS]

00:10:49   good yeah no I mean I get the doctor [TS]

00:10:51   dooms deepest heart desires to have read [TS]

00:10:52   Richards wiped off the face of the [TS]

00:10:54   planet but he ends up looking Magneto's [TS]

00:10:56   boot how is that keeping him losing his [TS]

00:10:58   losing his entire family will know it's [TS]

00:11:00   the it's the oh it's the old Henry [TS]

00:11:02   ending right it's the stupid like shaved [TS]

00:11:06   off all my hair to give me I think any [TS]

00:11:08   one of the reasons that I i think it's [TS]

00:11:10   successful and I should always stipulate [TS]

00:11:13   that I'm i'm pretty new to this stuff so [TS]

00:11:15   I haven't read a whole lot of stuff you [TS]

00:11:17   know little bits of stuff from across [TS]

00:11:19   the Marvel Universe but the reason I [TS]

00:11:21   think this succeed where others seem [TS]

00:11:22   very frustrating is yeah there are a [TS]

00:11:25   whole lot of tions well you know not [TS]

00:11:27   nearly as many times is with some of [TS]

00:11:28   that some of these other things were [TS]

00:11:29   talking about it really i think [TS]

00:11:31   personally it helps to me that it works [TS]

00:11:33   as this one TPB of eight issues that [TS]

00:11:37   really stands alone it's spider-man one [TS]

00:11:39   time is outstanding [TS]

00:11:40   but it's completely its own pocket [TS]

00:11:43   universe in another pocket if it is [TS]

00:11:45   right there it's not even it doesn't [TS]

00:11:47   even line up to the main and also it's [TS]

00:11:49   good for some reason to keep reminding [TS]

00:11:50   me a plan to the apes in some ways we [TS]

00:11:53   talk about a what if it's something [TS]

00:11:54   that's happening [TS]

00:11:55   not so much exactly in the future [TS]

00:11:57   but you know it is speculative in that [TS]

00:12:00   way but also i like the fact that [TS]

00:12:02   everybody was in it kind of mostly [TS]

00:12:04   together and kind of mostly the same [TS]

00:12:06   time and that I guess to your point [TS]

00:12:09   about what happens at the end boy you [TS]

00:12:10   guys had a spoiler fast you guys hit two [TS]

00:12:13   major spoilers so fast you left you hit [TS]

00:12:15   the biggest plot twists and the whole [TS]

00:12:17   thing already was eight years ago it [TS]

00:12:19   here at yelled at I got yelled at on [TS]

00:12:22   Twitter the other day for mentioning [TS]

00:12:23   what happened when Stacy in 1973 right [TS]

00:12:25   she dies by the way all man she got a [TS]

00:12:28   new hair before so it's ok she gets [TS]

00:12:30   cloned but you know my wife she never [TS]

00:12:34   persistently brought back is is what I [TS]

00:12:36   want to know Jim Gray syndrome in [TS]

00:12:38   Reagan's back more often than then when [TS]

00:12:40   Stacy it's particularly wewe titled an [TS]

00:12:43   episode of giant-sized beast goes which [TS]

00:12:45   time after the the bit in all-new x-men [TS]

00:12:47   where Jean Grey asks him uh tell me what [TS]

00:12:50   it was like when I died and he went well [TS]

00:12:52   which time I think there should be the [TS]

00:12:54   single serving sites are you know maybe [TS]

00:12:56   even like that counts is Phoenix alive [TS]

00:12:58   right now in this issue is Jean Grey [TS]

00:13:00   alive can Professor X walk and is Nick [TS]

00:13:03   Fury black just just so we kind of can [TS]

00:13:05   get a roughly on where we are you gotta [TS]

00:13:07   triangulate different facts of the [TS]

00:13:09   Marvel Universe to get an idea of what [TS]

00:13:12   I'm going on which telepathic Scott [TS]

00:13:14   Summers dating this with spider-man [TS]

00:13:15   married and to who [TS]

00:13:17   but it's a lie i unlike other ones where [TS]

00:13:19   you go you know yes this this like a lot [TS]

00:13:22   of annoying crossovers go poof [TS]

00:13:25   haha sike but it did speak but it does [TS]

00:13:27   open up a lot of interesting stories [TS]

00:13:29   especially with the you know the M de [TS]

00:13:32   thing but you know what i mean it's it [TS]

00:13:33   is i think it's so wonderful as a bridge [TS]

00:13:36   between two things that may be [TS]

00:13:37   controversial I like a lot i really love [TS]

00:13:40   defenders disassembled and I like Civil [TS]

00:13:42   War schism and in ATX and I thought I [TS]

00:13:44   think this is the fantastic bridge to [TS]

00:13:46   those because it takes all these [TS]

00:13:49   characters that can sometimes seem a [TS]

00:13:50   little bit you know [TS]

00:13:52   been there done that and opens a lot of [TS]

00:13:54   interesting doors for them too I don't [TS]

00:13:56   know to explore these parts of their [TS]

00:13:58   powers in their personality that can get [TS]

00:14:00   lost in this giant University of like [TS]

00:14:02   you know scrolls in [TS]

00:14:04   purple hawks and stuff so you know we [TS]

00:14:07   should talk about about this story and [TS]

00:14:08   yes I spoiled but you know the journey [TS]

00:14:10   is the reward and it is a marvel comics [TS]

00:14:12   so it really kind of ends up where it [TS]

00:14:14   starts in some ways what what's nice is [TS]

00:14:16   that because what remains at the end is [TS]

00:14:18   the memory of it happening it in and [TS]

00:14:22   this no more mutants declaration you [TS]

00:14:24   know it is more standalone than a lot of [TS]

00:14:27   the Marvel events i think Marlon is [TS]

00:14:28   absolutely right there and I I thought [TS]

00:14:30   it was an interesting what if when I was [TS]

00:14:32   a kid I was read the what if comic and I [TS]

00:14:34   always thought it was really cool idea [TS]

00:14:36   and here they upped the stakes a little [TS]

00:14:37   bit although I have to say when the [TS]

00:14:39   first time I read it I was having a [TS]

00:14:41   conversation with somebody about this i [TS]

00:14:42   can't remember who it is that you know [TS]

00:14:45   for the humans it's really bad what [TS]

00:14:47   happens here right it is it is this it [TS]

00:14:49   is this terrible thing but for some of [TS]

00:14:51   these characters i did question their [TS]

00:14:53   motivations as they go through cuz [TS]

00:14:55   Wolverine what happens is there's that [TS]

00:14:57   there's that there's no girl so many [TS]

00:14:59   questions Leyland so what is layla [TS]

00:15:00   Miller is this girl who's been given the [TS]

00:15:02   power to basically still she knows stuff [TS]

00:15:05   but I know stuff [TS]

00:15:07   Frank she can make you remember what it [TS]

00:15:09   was like before and Wolverine knows what [TS]

00:15:11   it was like before anything Kayla's [TS]

00:15:12   mutant powers that she's an anchor inn [TS]

00:15:14   in reality right matter like no matter [TS]

00:15:16   where she is she can see through [TS]

00:15:18   whatever you do [TS]

00:15:19   nonsense going on in any dimension and [TS]

00:15:21   but also i mean it and I don't mean to [TS]

00:15:24   hijack your show but it was like just to [TS]

00:15:26   concede of it it is worth mentioning [TS]

00:15:28   which is that and again this is what [TS]

00:15:30   makes this such an interesting bridge to [TS]

00:15:32   scarlet witch becoming such a important [TS]

00:15:35   character in really at least three major [TS]

00:15:38   events which i think is very very [TS]

00:15:40   interesting move on you know so it's [TS]

00:15:43   fair enough to spoil of interest [TS]

00:15:44   disassembled she goes completely monkey [TS]

00:15:46   balls attacks all the Avengers I thought [TS]

00:15:49   that was a great crossover re also log [TS]

00:15:51   out of control and let's remember though [TS]

00:15:52   and I but I think this is that this [TS]

00:15:54   could be a whole episode on its own is [TS]

00:15:56   that is the Avengers disassembled [TS]

00:15:57   started because wasp is talking about [TS]

00:16:00   your relationship with Hawkeye and Wanda [TS]

00:16:03   suddenly flips out when she starts [TS]

00:16:04   remembering these two kids that she had [TS]

00:16:06   but didn't have right that was just too [TS]

00:16:09   simple right and you so so she's she's [TS]

00:16:12   just did that in a nut the way this [TS]

00:16:13   whole [TS]

00:16:14   and I think I think technically yeah [TS]

00:16:16   it's considered of 58 something universe [TS]

00:16:18   but i think it's just considered a kind [TS]

00:16:20   of a bend 616 in some ways but you know [TS]

00:16:23   she the the beauty part of this that i [TS]

00:16:25   think is pretty good cover for the what [TS]

00:16:27   if Miss of it is that she you know [TS]

00:16:30   basically uses these extraordinary [TS]

00:16:32   powers to in order to have a family [TS]

00:16:35   family is such an important theme [TS]

00:16:37   through all these books especially in [TS]

00:16:38   the last couple notches family is huge [TS]

00:16:40   and we get that obviously with the [TS]

00:16:42   magnets clan but in order for her family [TS]

00:16:44   to be together and happy in with her [TS]

00:16:46   mind like rapidly disintegrating she's [TS]

00:16:49   going to basically make it so that [TS]

00:16:51   anybody who's in a position to harm [TS]

00:16:53   anyone in her family not just her but [TS]

00:16:55   you can't harm anyone in her family and [TS]

00:16:57   who could harm her make-believe children [TS]

00:16:59   is going to be given as you say given [TS]

00:17:03   whatever it is that they most wanted [TS]

00:17:06   which i think is a very interesting [TS]

00:17:07   topic to talk about like what that says [TS]

00:17:09   about Wolverine what that says about [TS]

00:17:10   gambit but but there but that to me that [TS]

00:17:13   that but I don't think everybody like [TS]

00:17:15   that provides great cover for like why [TS]

00:17:17   this was so interesting because there [TS]

00:17:19   are all kinds of contradictions and [TS]

00:17:20   holes in that but it also leads us to as [TS]

00:17:23   you say that just to read the heartbreak [TS]

00:17:25   up Peter Parker huge but it isn't unique [TS]

00:17:28   you see mistakes heart being broken as [TS]

00:17:30   she's losing this thing that I guess [TS]

00:17:32   like a walgreens case will ring goes I [TS]

00:17:34   didn't know that I wanted to be Nick [TS]

00:17:35   Fury he's analyzing things about himself [TS]

00:17:37   you know let alone the memory thing [TS]

00:17:39   which is three episodes but it's such a [TS]

00:17:41   great cover and and they cover so much [TS]

00:17:43   in that one first book I thought that [TS]

00:17:45   was really impressive before we started [TS]

00:17:47   a process mentioned that he had read [TS]

00:17:50   world war hulk to and I was and planet [TS]

00:17:53   hulk and I was reminded of the beginning [TS]

00:17:55   of Planet Hulk or the thing that leads [TS]

00:17:56   into it it's a similar situation what [TS]

00:17:58   were you have superheroes essentially [TS]

00:18:00   right superheroes they're supposed to be [TS]

00:18:01   the good guys making a decision that is [TS]

00:18:04   at the very least seriously morally [TS]

00:18:07   questionable and can hold the Illuminati [TS]

00:18:09   yeah in employment whole shoot the Hulk [TS]

00:18:11   into space and that's not gonna get that [TS]

00:18:13   could go wrong [TS]

00:18:14   that'll be that'll be fine i could [TS]

00:18:16   possibly or so in house of em it's [TS]

00:18:19   Charles Xavier and the x-men and The [TS]

00:18:21   Avengers having a little like staff [TS]

00:18:24   meeting at avengers tower to do that [TS]

00:18:26   expand this loves writing meetings yeah [TS]

00:18:28   he does is it doesn't like reading [TS]

00:18:30   beginnings the Illuminati was I think [TS]

00:18:32   probably his wet dream he did got to do [TS]

00:18:35   an entire issue there was nothing but a [TS]

00:18:37   long meeting [TS]

00:18:39   yeah yeah you know when I was a kid [TS]

00:18:40   there was a tissue of amazing spider-man [TS]

00:18:42   that was nothing but a fight between [TS]

00:18:43   spider-man the kingpin [TS]

00:18:44   what is it like George Lucas everybody [TS]

00:18:46   that wants to make things about meeting [TS]

00:18:48   it's just that its meetings and trade [TS]

00:18:50   routes and that's what it is but in so [TS]

00:18:51   in this one there they're meeting is so [TS]

00:18:53   we're gonna kill 12 right i mean that's [TS]

00:18:55   the doctor strange back me up here and [TS]

00:18:57   dr. strange like oh I don't know I can't [TS]

00:18:59   figure it out so let's get let me let me [TS]

00:19:01   throw I actually I actually prepped part [TS]

00:19:03   of this in addition to his obsession [TS]

00:19:05   with meetings he also loves having dr. [TS]

00:19:07   strange narrate an absurd amount of [TS]

00:19:10   exposition justifying whatever crazy [TS]

00:19:13   thing he's about to make happen by the [TS]

00:19:15   eye of agamotto I by the by the crimson [TS]

00:19:18   bands of the center a candle hurry cause [TS]

00:19:21   of the prognosis logo sublime magics of [TS]

00:19:23   exposition exactly so so you get this [TS]

00:19:26   cross-section of a bunch of classic [TS]

00:19:28   panels of Wanda Maximoff and Stephen [TS]

00:19:31   strange explaining everything yes this [TS]

00:19:34   is this is prior to them deciding well [TS]

00:19:35   what we're going to do with it this is [TS]

00:19:37   ok everybody here's what's actually [TS]

00:19:38   going on please forget we're talking [TS]

00:19:41   about your friend listen to me tell you [TS]

00:19:43   the story of an orphan mute with [TS]

00:19:44   assorted violent past with her she did [TS]

00:19:46   not earn Norrish kanchi control power [TS]

00:19:49   she never fully understood [TS]

00:19:50   can you understand the delicate mindset [TS]

00:19:52   of a woman a person who has control over [TS]

00:19:53   reality it means reality controls her [TS]

00:19:56   imagination becomes the enemy structure [TS]

00:19:58   disappears reality eventually as she [TS]

00:20:00   knows it starts to slip away elude her [TS]

00:20:02   blur drama conflict tragedy that become [TS]

00:20:05   excuses to change the world to fit the [TS]

00:20:07   image that she has for it [TS]

00:20:09   anything she doesn't like she can change [TS]

00:20:11   no matter how slight people places [TS]

00:20:13   things everything is here guys her to [TS]

00:20:15   change her mind [TS]

00:20:16   editorial meeting ok so that's bad good [TS]

00:20:19   heavens [TS]

00:20:20   yeah this is a third this is a third of [TS]

00:20:23   this complete setup for brian michael [TS]

00:20:26   bendis using dr. strange to hypnotize us [TS]

00:20:28   into going you know what this all makes [TS]

00:20:30   and they should killer when you know [TS]

00:20:32   what I don't like something that fire [TS]

00:20:33   Michael Bendis is written it's always [TS]

00:20:35   because of two different three World [TS]

00:20:37   word problems one is beginning middle [TS]

00:20:39   and [TS]

00:20:39   I don't think he loves the middle he [TS]

00:20:41   doesn't like running them the the finish [TS]

00:20:43   the the start and he'll write the ending [TS]

00:20:45   in the last three pages when you realize [TS]

00:20:47   oh crap it's supposed to be tennis shoes [TS]

00:20:49   not 15-minute up about dr. strange and [TS]

00:20:52   haunting AVX and the and the second [TS]

00:20:55   thing isn't the second three-word thing [TS]

00:20:57   is show don't tell [TS]

00:21:00   he will heal he loves you he loves to do [TS]

00:21:02   the west wing sort of thing where you [TS]

00:21:03   can't have something being done with a [TS]

00:21:05   glance and a significant nod it has to [TS]

00:21:07   be no one's no one's walking or talking [TS]

00:21:09   and walking while they're talking [TS]

00:21:11   they're all just talking over static [TS]

00:21:13   frames the dsm-4 refers to this is chris [TS]

00:21:16   claremont syndrome mutant yeah it's you [TS]

00:21:20   know I love some of this work but but [TS]

00:21:22   hehe it's not just that he doesn't have [TS]

00:21:24   his bag of tricks in it and his and his [TS]

00:21:26   noticeable weaknesses but you know it [TS]

00:21:29   but I I'm again I think it's fascinating [TS]

00:21:31   that they put their heroes in this [TS]

00:21:32   position hand-waving exposition aside of [TS]

00:21:35   saying alright well i guess i didn't [TS]

00:21:37   course it's easy for Wolverine to say [TS]

00:21:38   well I think we just got a killer [TS]

00:21:40   because that's a very Wolverine thing to [TS]

00:21:41   say although I actually kind of thought [TS]

00:21:43   that was not at all a Wolverine thing to [TS]

00:21:45   say it don't like I thought I'd like a [TS]

00:21:47   little adventures and don't forget the [TS]

00:21:49   parlance Avengers vs. x-men thing [TS]

00:21:51   because first of all you got killer [TS]

00:21:53   there's no question you have to kill her [TS]

00:21:54   like that it just seems really obvious [TS]

00:21:55   after you know basically vision and Jack [TS]

00:21:58   of Hearts k Jack of Hearts was a bomb [TS]

00:22:01   her ex-husband you know I mean she and [TS]

00:22:03   what she did in disassembled like what [TS]

00:22:05   it what else do you guys need to see but [TS]

00:22:07   I I to be honest I think of the business [TS]

00:22:09   meetings onra I thought something that's [TS]

00:22:11   pretty good I thought their discussions [TS]

00:22:13   first fuck God how much you love that [TS]

00:22:14   panel when they first walk in and Xavier [TS]

00:22:17   sitting there and you see everybody just [TS]

00:22:18   sit around and really kind of God's [TS]

00:22:19   gonna be such a long meeting but no I [TS]

00:22:23   actually really enjoyed this and to me [TS]

00:22:24   like the scenes the Talmudic scenes [TS]

00:22:26   where the talking about what should [TS]

00:22:27   happen what are we doing [TS]

00:22:29   you know because they're each of them [TS]

00:22:30   has their own embarrassing things that [TS]

00:22:32   everybody kind of knows now everybody [TS]

00:22:34   knows how full of themselves they are [TS]

00:22:36   and how unhappy they were with their [TS]

00:22:37   previous lives to where they have these [TS]

00:22:40   jobs and responsibilities now that are [TS]

00:22:42   antithetical you know 22 everything we [TS]

00:22:44   know about them as a character [TS]

00:22:46   apparently some people get wishes and [TS]

00:22:48   some people don't like dr. Doom's wish [TS]

00:22:51   trumped Reed Richards getting away [TS]

00:22:53   because Reed Richards is dead well [TS]

00:22:55   nobody likes Reed Richards yeah that's [TS]

00:22:57   true including Reed Richards apparently [TS]

00:22:59   I've always you know I've actually [TS]

00:23:00   wondered if there's like a big old core [TS]

00:23:02   of self-loathing and in the middle of [TS]

00:23:03   his giant stretchy brain just because [TS]

00:23:06   nobody can be that consistently jerky [TS]

00:23:10   without without even without writing but [TS]

00:23:14   doesn't the writers hate him obviously [TS]

00:23:15   but i would like to help these guys like [TS]

00:23:17   well when you're that smart you feel [TS]

00:23:18   like disconnected from humanity maybe [TS]

00:23:20   you turn some of that anger and [TS]

00:23:21   irritation on yourself [TS]

00:23:23   I'm which is where they they they were [TS]

00:23:25   going in that direction with him on the [TS]

00:23:26   Ultimate Universe for a while but i know [TS]

00:23:29   that the spin-off stuff that they have [TS]

00:23:30   going on like i said when i read the [TS]

00:23:32   Fantastic Four house of them spin-off I [TS]

00:23:35   thought how has been Grimm's dream to be [TS]

00:23:39   the subjugated kind of doctor do but [TS]

00:23:41   where does that fit in [TS]

00:23:43   no he did he doesn't win Ben Grimm never [TS]

00:23:45   wins because if it were you know if it [TS]

00:23:46   were the universe where you're going to [TS]

00:23:47   pacify him he'd be back to looking like [TS]

00:23:49   a normal human being like that's that's [TS]

00:23:50   that's enough thanks Jam for years as i [TS]

00:23:53   would like not to have skin that doubles [TS]

00:23:54   as a National Monument and the poor guy [TS]

00:23:56   never gets it and they had that but also [TS]

00:23:59   i meani essentially are kind of in not [TS]

00:24:02   enslave precisely but well first of all [TS]

00:24:04   he's not a mutant so he's part of the [TS]

00:24:06   underclass and he's basically getting [TS]

00:24:09   used as a soldier right now and in that [TS]

00:24:11   instance but you know I think it was a [TS]

00:24:13   real standout to me for one because the [TS]

00:24:15   first of all I despise it's only [TS]

00:24:17   criminal always a criminal but you know [TS]

00:24:19   it yeah I a anyway I guess that's not [TS]

00:24:21   that's a whole different topic but like [TS]

00:24:23   that the what is the people wish for was [TS]

00:24:25   to me like such a fantastic piece of [TS]

00:24:27   this because that was the chuy's part of [TS]

00:24:29   this for me is is getting through all of [TS]

00:24:30   that but but you know again at the core [TS]

00:24:33   the core part of the story is that you [TS]

00:24:36   know I guess it's kind of a madwoman in [TS]

00:24:38   the Attic thing in some ways but you [TS]

00:24:39   know want is so imbalance that she put [TS]

00:24:42   this thing in place by blow the horn and [TS]

00:24:45   basically sucking out all of the [TS]

00:24:47   information net Professor X has cleaned [TS]

00:24:49   over the years about what people really [TS]

00:24:51   want in their heart and that's going to [TS]

00:24:53   enable you know her to pass a file these [TS]

00:24:55   people are you know keep them in the [TS]

00:24:56   matrix basically right that would [TS]

00:24:58   actually swim the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:25:00   business because if i wanted was not [TS]

00:25:01   really fantastic for that much is like a [TS]

00:25:03   having be dead [TS]

00:25:05   well because what happens is John [TS]

00:25:06   Johnny Storm shows up in the ironman [TS]

00:25:09   spin-off yeah where it turns out his [TS]

00:25:11   fondest fantasies to play second banana [TS]

00:25:13   Tony Stark who knew [TS]

00:25:14   yeah and yeah but I don't think that he [TS]

00:25:16   wants to be the Bucky to Tony stark/iron [TS]

00:25:18   me so here's the thing i don't think i [TS]

00:25:20   think it's wrong to say that what this [TS]

00:25:22   is is everybody getting their wish she's [TS]

00:25:24   not a genie that's something everybody [TS]

00:25:26   which climate it right she is I think [TS]

00:25:28   it's absolutely right to say what she's [TS]

00:25:29   doing is is setting up a world where [TS]

00:25:33   we're like you said the people who are [TS]

00:25:35   most likely going to be a threat to her [TS]

00:25:37   are are pacified it's it's a psychic [TS]

00:25:41   bribe and as soon as you get and the [TS]

00:25:43   other ones don't matter right it's like [TS]

00:25:44   that doesn't have a Ben Grimm is is an [TS]

00:25:46   underclass in that rich riches did she [TS]

00:25:48   just needs to set it up enough that they [TS]

00:25:50   biggest threats to her are off the table [TS]

00:25:53   and then she brings but she's also got a [TS]

00:25:54   great little thing that you have to dig [TS]

00:25:56   into a little bit you know they keep [TS]

00:25:58   talking about popping a stitch [TS]

00:25:59   well it you know yeah Madame web is [TS]

00:26:02   there to be the wolf [TS]

00:26:03   she's like the harvey keitel character [TS]

00:26:05   something like it's her job to go in and [TS]

00:26:07   like take you to this little Madame web [TS]

00:26:09   reeducation camp to remind you that [TS]

00:26:11   there's no man behind the curtain which [TS]

00:26:12   I thought was pretty subtle but very [TS]

00:26:14   interesting because you can see I don't [TS]

00:26:16   know if it's that there's a Robert [TS]

00:26:17   Reynolds guy who I don't know that [TS]

00:26:19   character at all that's going to talk to [TS]

00:26:21   Stephen strange but you know you can [TS]

00:26:24   definitely tell me and don't you get the [TS]

00:26:25   sense that like the people are walking [TS]

00:26:27   around going doesn't something seems not [TS]

00:26:29   quite right and i really did get the [TS]

00:26:31   feeling that you know again like some [TS]

00:26:33   people can remember what happened [TS]

00:26:35   because they were cloaked by ms 17 [TS]

00:26:38   spells or whatever dr. strange stuff but [TS]

00:26:40   but part of what made it so fascinating [TS]

00:26:41   to me also as they were just automatons [TS]

00:26:43   you know obviously the second issue it [TS]

00:26:45   was a great i thought it was really well [TS]

00:26:47   done presentation my daughter found [TS]

00:26:48   confusing weird why won 27 together in [TS]

00:26:50   after school too but you know in into [TS]

00:26:54   this i'm carrying i'm sorry but the [TS]

00:26:55   second the second one I thought was was [TS]

00:26:57   really really fun popcorn comic book [TS]

00:27:00   stuff but with a heart and you know [TS]

00:27:04   again it's like any of us it's almost [TS]

00:27:05   like the wire right we're all [TS]

00:27:07   compromised by some system you know [TS]

00:27:09   whatever system we are beholding to will [TS]

00:27:11   ultimately corrupt us and in this case [TS]

00:27:13   that's our own desires and wishes [TS]

00:27:15   especially when we see what happens with [TS]

00:27:17   Wolverine which you know [TS]

00:27:20   I'm a boomerang family what happens [TS]

00:27:21   Wolverine in this i thought was just [TS]

00:27:23   completely amazing [TS]

00:27:25   oh it isn't a lot of the story I thought [TS]

00:27:27   that was I thought that was really good [TS]

00:27:29   Marlon that I'm glad I'm glad you're [TS]

00:27:30   here really glad you helped me thank you [TS]

00:27:32   p 1 the part of the story is here's the [TS]

00:27:36   price of of you getting what you want [TS]

00:27:39   right the dream all along was this [TS]

00:27:40   mutant utopia that was that was that was [TS]

00:27:42   you know Magneto's dream it's a sort of [TS]

00:27:45   the ideal of the x-men in some ways and [TS]

00:27:48   here they get some of that and it's it's [TS]

00:27:51   really not that great at you know it's [TS]

00:27:52   great for them in the lives but as soon [TS]

00:27:54   as they remember what their other lives [TS]

00:27:55   are like they're like oh my god this is [TS]

00:27:57   terrible i can't believe that this is [TS]

00:27:58   that this has happened and so it's a [TS]

00:28:01   nice it's a nice twist to be able to to [TS]

00:28:03   have that and that's really what what [TS]

00:28:05   issue 2 and sort of issue 3 r is really [TS]

00:28:08   it's just the the memory brigade going [TS]

00:28:10   from person to person and having them [TS]

00:28:12   remember their past and with spider-man [TS]

00:28:14   I mean that's the most for me that was [TS]

00:28:15   by far the most effective thing in here [TS]

00:28:17   that's the thing i remembered other than [TS]

00:28:18   no more mutants at the end was what [TS]

00:28:21   happened to Peter Parker's Peter Parker [TS]

00:28:22   you know you can really rewrite his life [TS]

00:28:25   to be happy [TS]

00:28:27   intentionally that got to catch a break [TS]

00:28:28   sometimes yeah yeah exactly and so in [TS]

00:28:31   this he sort of is set up in this [TS]

00:28:32   wonderful scenario and so when he [TS]

00:28:34   discovers that it's all a fake [TS]

00:28:37   it's it's brutal it's really really [TS]

00:28:40   brutal and that you know I I appreciated [TS]

00:28:43   that is as painful as that was to see [TS]

00:28:45   because you know you're really kind of [TS]

00:28:46   threw remembering all these terrible [TS]

00:28:48   things that have happened to Peter [TS]

00:28:49   Parker enjoy the time for that I'd so i [TS]

00:28:52   read i read the tie-in and it's [TS]

00:28:54   confusing because like you said it's [TS]

00:28:55   it-it-it it's hard to see where would be [TS]

00:28:58   because you wonder why peter has short [TS]

00:29:00   hair in inhibition is it [TS]

00:29:02   yeah he shakes his head but the end he [TS]

00:29:04   fakes his death and goes off to a lake [TS]

00:29:05   with his family and that couldn't have [TS]

00:29:07   no it you know one of the things about [TS]

00:29:08   this is it is this kind of speculation [TS]

00:29:11   kind of thing and though these tying [TS]

00:29:13   issues in some ways it's really like [TS]

00:29:15   it's just an excuse to tell stories and [TS]

00:29:17   I mean why why do some people have [TS]

00:29:19   memory and some people don't why do some [TS]

00:29:21   people you know have their dreams come [TS]

00:29:23   true and others don't it's mostly [TS]

00:29:24   because they came up with some good [TS]

00:29:25   story ideas but the spider-man thing [TS]

00:29:28   just is not in the same story as that [TS]

00:29:31   regular house of em series its gentle at [TS]

00:29:33   the whole thing can be explained away by [TS]

00:29:35   by well you know what is unstable and [TS]

00:29:38   her brain can only do so much and you [TS]

00:29:41   know a lot of things don't line up and [TS]

00:29:42   that's just what this weird alternate [TS]

00:29:44   reality is like I just hope that they [TS]

00:29:46   don't you know when they started an age [TS]

00:29:49   of apocalypse standalone series was like [TS]

00:29:51   okay that that totally that's fine but I [TS]

00:29:53   i really hope they never go that route [TS]

00:29:56   with the house of m universe because I I [TS]

00:29:58   just don't think that it works outside [TS]

00:30:00   of the limited range of what they did [TS]

00:30:02   with it here it just it barely holds [TS]

00:30:04   together this way that where we forgive [TS]

00:30:07   a lot of continuity issues but I just [TS]

00:30:10   you know it's it's an important thing [TS]

00:30:12   it's after-effects are very important in [TS]

00:30:15   a big deal as Merlin touched on earlier [TS]

00:30:16   but I just hope that they don't go you [TS]

00:30:19   know that was really successful we [TS]

00:30:21   should probably start an alternate [TS]

00:30:23   reality series and then find a way to [TS]

00:30:25   cross it over with the main universe [TS]

00:30:27   again and confuse everybody all over [TS]

00:30:28   again for once I'd like to see an [TS]

00:30:30   alternate universe where the mutants [TS]

00:30:32   don't hate the humans that just kind of [TS]

00:30:34   ignore them or they peacefully coexist [TS]

00:30:36   with them and there's not this really [TS]

00:30:37   sharp you know well now that we have the [TS]

00:30:40   upper hand it's time to see how you like [TS]

00:30:41   being called names and and being denied [TS]

00:30:44   professional opportunities haha i mean [TS]

00:30:46   the x-men has always been a really handy [TS]

00:30:49   metaphor for four other nests and [TS]

00:30:50   society you know sometimes it's a [TS]

00:30:52   stand-in for civil rights a lot of times [TS]

00:30:54   it can be standing for civil rights and [TS]

00:30:55   you know what i don't like is how the [TS]

00:30:58   alternate universe default messages [TS]

00:30:59   oh if you give those minorities right [TS]

00:31:01   spell immediately turned up with the [TS]

00:31:02   boot on your neck like I think that sky [TS]

00:31:04   I think that's lazy storytelling it's [TS]

00:31:06   not very thoughtful [TS]

00:31:07   yeah it is a switcheroo not a not an [TS]

00:31:10   actual exploration of what if the x-men [TS]

00:31:13   or Magneto necessarily got their way [TS]

00:31:15   it's like yeah because it's not what if [TS]

00:31:17   we were treated equally it's what if we [TS]

00:31:18   ruled you haha no i mean if you want to [TS]

00:31:21   get if you wanted to look at it and far [TS]

00:31:23   more offensive term sipping mutants and [TS]

00:31:25   human beings you could say pick a [TS]

00:31:27   disenfranchised minority in the United [TS]

00:31:28   States and what if they got the upper [TS]

00:31:30   hand well they'd put you in your place [TS]

00:31:32   like that's why it's like that's why [TS]

00:31:34   it's like Planet of the Apes to me is is [TS]

00:31:37   you right into me x-men x-men is very [TS]

00:31:39   much [TS]

00:31:39   it's it you know I've enjoyed some of [TS]

00:31:41   the ultimate stuff I've enjoyed you know [TS]

00:31:43   lots of enjoyed some of the season 1 [TS]

00:31:44   stuff that's happened just [TS]

00:31:46   because its funder with your kid or [TS]

00:31:47   whatever but you know one of the things [TS]

00:31:49   that I think makes everything difficult [TS]

00:31:51   10 and 15 and 20 years on its why the [TS]

00:31:54   eighties and nineties were so bananas [TS]

00:31:55   for Marvel's marvelous humble the [TS]

00:31:57   Midianites and beyond [TS]

00:31:59   was that you know each one of those [TS]

00:32:00   comics was really of a time and this [TS]

00:32:02   sounds so obvious but i think it always [TS]

00:32:04   needs to be underscored is that if you [TS]

00:32:06   if you go back and read the Fantastic [TS]

00:32:09   Four in the context of an a nuclear age [TS]

00:32:12   if you are you know where the hawk for [TS]

00:32:14   that matter but base race but if you [TS]

00:32:17   yeah short but if you read the x-men and [TS]

00:32:19   maybe I'm over reading this but like to [TS]

00:32:21   me it's very much about civil rights and [TS]

00:32:24   yeah you know and then go to jump two [TS]

00:32:26   days of future past I mean that's a [TS]

00:32:28   pretty good and well that God loves me [TS]

00:32:31   go get gotten God loves man kills oh man [TS]

00:32:34   practically and which I thought was [TS]

00:32:35   fantastic but a fantastic it's just all [TS]

00:32:37   they're the best striker gets under your [TS]

00:32:38   skin but you know I I thought it was I [TS]

00:32:40   thought it was well I mean I don't know [TS]

00:32:42   there's so many ways this stuff can go [TS]

00:32:44   wrong and I don't want to you know email [TS]

00:32:46   Jason but there's so many things where I [TS]

00:32:47   tried to pick up something like secret [TS]

00:32:49   invasion or i'm told that fear itself [TS]

00:32:51   can mostly be read you know in this way [TS]

00:32:53   but just there's like 14 inches apart my [TS]

00:32:56   saying a fear itself on the shelf and I [TS]

00:32:58   find that very intimidating in this case [TS]

00:33:00   I was really happy to see even if I [TS]

00:33:02   bought a TPB time for this which did a [TS]

00:33:06   bunch of them but I was really happy [TS]

00:33:07   that I didn't have to have all of that [TS]

00:33:09   yes this did work on its own but again i [TS]

00:33:12   can't get away from the basic framing [TS]

00:33:14   device it wasn't just like oh something [TS]

00:33:15   topsy-turvy happened you know it's all [TS]

00:33:18   based and then again I don't wanna turn [TS]

00:33:20   Wanda and as they say the crazy woman in [TS]

00:33:22   the attic but i love the energy [TS]

00:33:24   yes well she's literally in the Attic [TS]

00:33:26   like she made a face like a body pic [TS]

00:33:28   oyer she's actually is that she is [TS]

00:33:30   actually in the Attic I mean I mean call [TS]

00:33:32   the first mrs. Rochester the first mrs. [TS]

00:33:34   Rochester went with yeah I try to [TS]

00:33:36   explain to my daughter and like I said [TS]

00:33:37   she's like oh Stephens making the hand [TS]

00:33:39   thing he's gonna go up and talk to one [TS]

00:33:40   day he sees a light up there and she's [TS]

00:33:41   playing lego with her kids and it's you [TS]

00:33:43   I was like so you understand how many [TS]

00:33:46   levels of bananas are here she doesn't [TS]

00:33:48   she kind of knows this is happening but [TS]

00:33:49   she doesn't know it's happening that she [TS]

00:33:51   know she's doing it and then on top of [TS]

00:33:53   it all down her dad's big day she's got [TS]

00:33:55   a fake body version of herself wandering [TS]

00:33:57   around sochi completely go with her [TS]

00:33:58   make-believe children in the tower that [TS]

00:34:00   doesn't exist [TS]

00:34:01   oh I never leave them far from me is [TS]

00:34:03   that because you're crazy or is because [TS]

00:34:04   that because your magic doesn't work [TS]

00:34:05   that well yet and yet i really like this [TS]

00:34:07   can be both [TS]

00:34:08   oh yeah well she's super creepy she has [TS]

00:34:11   enough brainpower to go [TS]

00:34:13   Oh dr. strange hold on a minute let me [TS]

00:34:15   get door move for you [TS]

00:34:16   he's right over here she has she has [TS]

00:34:20   this endless amount of bandwidth all of [TS]

00:34:22   a sudden where she can play legos other [TS]

00:34:24   kids fight Doctor Strange entertain [TS]

00:34:26   party guests and movable wall then for [TS]

00:34:30   all why she's so dangerous and she's [TS]

00:34:32   that good at this [TS]

00:34:34   yeah but like this this whole thing that [TS]

00:34:36   we're getting into something that I that [TS]

00:34:38   I think I I lost track i don't know if [TS]

00:34:41   it's jason or Lisa who who put it this [TS]

00:34:44   way but but it feels like you know I had [TS]

00:34:47   a blade of grass moves in the Marvel [TS]

00:34:49   Universe and suddenly everything's [TS]

00:34:51   coming up Hitler would just step back [TS]

00:34:54   I i know i don't have that gift of a [TS]

00:34:56   gift of phraseology well that wasn't [TS]

00:34:59   something that was my rephrasing [TS]

00:35:00   crystallization of avoiding you guys [TS]

00:35:02   were saying where there's there's there [TS]

00:35:04   there's the there's the step butterfly [TS]

00:35:07   thing and everything suddenly goes to [TS]

00:35:10   talent Aryan right now I've now I'm [TS]

00:35:12   thinking of the musical about gypsy rose [TS]

00:35:14   lee deserve everything coming up roses [TS]

00:35:16   everything's coming up hit large role in [TS]

00:35:21   Australia having read those incredible [TS]

00:35:23   hulk it turns out [TS]

00:35:24   Australia's run by Nazi mutants it is [TS]

00:35:27   totally as everything's calm it it's not [TS]

00:35:30   some units in Australia which Magnus [TS]

00:35:32   tolerates Magneto's closest followers [TS]

00:35:35   back from when there was asteroid and [TS]

00:35:37   all that stuff and there's lots of [TS]

00:35:39   shoulder pads in the nineties these guys [TS]

00:35:42   are the the followers of this jewish [TS]

00:35:45   holocaust survivor have turned Australia [TS]

00:35:47   into into the mutant right [TS]

00:35:50   yes just about to ask with logical [TS]

00:35:52   that's never really past this that the [TS]

00:35:55   the ideological consistency check you [TS]

00:36:00   know I would think that he'd be [TS]

00:36:00   dedicated to never again they did haha [TS]

00:36:03   oh oh oh but here's the thing here's the [TS]

00:36:05   thing is is this is Pietro's idea that [TS]

00:36:07   he cooks up to keep his sister lines and [TS]

00:36:09   wellness [TS]

00:36:10   spoiler horn blaring horn blaring it's [TS]

00:36:14   like that twist every time I get to that [TS]

00:36:16   twist your doctor strange in that lower [TS]

00:36:18   right hand corner is like it wasn't [TS]

00:36:20   magnetization um what is this some girl [TS]

00:36:23   well they didn't protest too much a [TS]

00:36:24   little too much they're right but you [TS]

00:36:26   know this is a couple of days a couple [TS]

00:36:28   threads that I find very interesting [TS]

00:36:29   personally I mean if you know [TS]

00:36:31   34-35 our episode allowing I I i would [TS]

00:36:35   love to talk about Wolverine at some [TS]

00:36:36   point because the whole will Wolverine [TS]

00:36:39   remembering thing for some reason just [TS]

00:36:42   cause I'm always kind of pulling for the [TS]

00:36:43   little guy that just that really grabbed [TS]

00:36:45   my heart in this in a similar way to the [TS]

00:36:47   way that the Peter Parker thing happened [TS]

00:36:49   but just in terms of a little bit of a [TS]

00:36:50   plot I and he basically he wakes up [TS]

00:36:55   what's in the middle of my means in the [TS]

00:36:56   midst of everybody we got this wonderful [TS]

00:36:58   thing I thought wonderful thing my [TS]

00:36:59   daughters like why they keep cutting h5 [TS]

00:37:01   I said well they keep cutting because [TS]

00:37:02   they're doing this whistle stop tour of [TS]

00:37:04   like what's happening with everybody but [TS]

00:37:05   my senior year on your set apart is [TS]

00:37:08   great though because it was I think [TS]

00:37:09   that's an issue to its when we're going [TS]

00:37:11   through I think so [TS]

00:37:13   the survey of what's happening people [TS]

00:37:14   and I thought it was so fun i'm not [TS]

00:37:16   super familiar with Wonder Man right [TS]

00:37:18   okay i don't know some of the characters [TS]

00:37:20   super I had to go look them up but like [TS]

00:37:22   going through there and it's like Janet [TS]

00:37:23   as you imagine like janet is a fashion [TS]

00:37:25   designer and Ororo is like the head of [TS]

00:37:27   kenya kenya yeah very notion are going [TS]

00:37:30   all this awesome and in Carroll is [TS]

00:37:32   finally like this famous superhero but [TS]

00:37:34   then you cut and you cut to like the the [TS]

00:37:38   adamantium aquarium and you see bubble [TS]

00:37:41   bubble bubble you don't mean instead of [TS]

00:37:43   being like oh it you know it's Wolverine [TS]

00:37:46   and I'm making s'mores with my claws you [TS]

00:37:48   see that he just read the Windsor is [TS]

00:37:50   winter [TS]

00:37:51   what's the guy's name the guy who did [TS]

00:37:52   the weapon x process is one story was [TS]

00:37:55   very windsor-smith with a tough read [TS]

00:37:57   it's a real tough read about like how [TS]

00:37:59   now 46 what do I care i still find a [TS]

00:38:02   very tough read what happened to [TS]

00:38:03   Wolverine because i think it's a very [TS]

00:38:05   important part of the story and and why [TS]

00:38:07   we must always remember that he is in [TS]

00:38:09   constant pain like none of us will ever [TS]

00:38:11   realize as his body tries to reject his [TS]

00:38:13   skeleton every second of the day so but [TS]

00:38:17   instead of you go [TS]

00:38:18   I was great here's Jana its wide-ranging [TS]

00:38:20   stress of course [TS]

00:38:21   well here I have [TS]

00:38:22   to prep for the night the UM [TS]

00:38:24   particularly the one seen any see the [TS]

00:38:26   aquarium right mrs. and you thinking hmm [TS]

00:38:30   that's kind of interesting so he's faced [TS]

00:38:32   what he's always wanted to be like my [TS]

00:38:34   email like what is going on why is he [TS]

00:38:36   breathing underwater and then he screams [TS]

00:38:39   in pain and you up from a nightmare [TS]

00:38:42   yes with a shit with shape-shifted [TS]

00:38:45   mystique saying looks like it looks like [TS]

00:38:48   it's jean grey and is a little freaked [TS]

00:38:51   out at first but it's not be ready [TS]

00:38:52   nicest recognize it as him but the thing [TS]

00:38:55   is the Tank part we recognize I think [TS]

00:38:57   anybody who's ready even a couple of [TS]

00:38:59   these comments will recognize that as [TS]

00:39:00   his life altering experience where his [TS]

00:39:02   bone two bones were all with adamantium [TS]

00:39:05   got used to his bounds where they [TS]

00:39:06   basically dissolved the dissolved his [TS]

00:39:08   entire body covered him with adamantium [TS]

00:39:10   and then let it regenerate so that's a [TS]

00:39:13   pretty wow that doesn't seem very fun [TS]

00:39:14   now but he wakes up next to jean grey [TS]

00:39:18   but no she's not Jean Grey's mystique [TS]

00:39:20   know they're like on the Helicarrier [TS]

00:39:22   because he's like a theory sentinels of [TS]

00:39:26   the red team and and he's running yeah [TS]

00:39:28   he's he's he's essentially a shield [TS]

00:39:31   stooge that's making mistake and he's [TS]

00:39:33   working for Sebastian Shaw his bosses [TS]

00:39:36   get fashion show [TS]

00:39:38   that's just wrong shots running shield [TS]

00:39:40   it'sit's um course how much did you love [TS]

00:39:43   the scene in Connecticut though at i had [TS]

00:39:45   had the whole God and Scott Nana's house [TS]

00:39:48   where ya and I was like oh yeah honey [TS]

00:39:50   what else do you notice it's kind of [TS]

00:39:51   weird about this and she's like there's [TS]

00:39:53   a sentinel flag but it was so subtle but [TS]

00:39:57   I thought it was so perfect like what is [TS]

00:39:59   what is going on in this monkey balls [TS]

00:40:01   universe now the background on this is [TS]

00:40:03   beautiful and so is the supporting the [TS]

00:40:06   supporting stuff like there will the [TS]

00:40:07   pulse newspaper and the pop-culture [TS]

00:40:10   stuff the advertisements they go to they [TS]

00:40:13   go to Emma's house and then Scott is [TS]

00:40:17   coming over and they've already kind of [TS]

00:40:18   woken her up and I was really amused by [TS]

00:40:22   that especially because I until I read [TS]

00:40:24   Joss Whedon's astonishing x-men I didn't [TS]

00:40:29   realize this new status quo which is [TS]

00:40:31   that that Emma Frost is in the x-men and [TS]

00:40:34   she's she's going out with [TS]

00:40:36   Scott Summers I always thought that was [TS]

00:40:38   kind of bizarre and yet actually kind of [TS]

00:40:39   brilliant i actually kind of love that [TS]

00:40:40   that there's this Scott Summers Emma [TS]

00:40:43   Frost thing I think it is the thing that [TS]

00:40:44   makes Scott Summers the most interesting [TS]

00:40:46   he's ever been and there's that great [TS]

00:40:48   moment in house of them that I don't [TS]

00:40:50   know maybe maybe it's just me but i love [TS]

00:40:52   the moment where they look down and [TS]

00:40:53   realize that they're married they have [TS]

00:40:55   wedding rings and it's like higher we [TS]

00:40:57   married right because they're together [TS]

00:40:58   but if necessary let me too cool to be [TS]

00:41:03   married his daughter Laila has started [TS]

00:41:04   to her business on everybody [TS]

00:41:06   yeah yeah yeah but that's their moment [TS]

00:41:08   when they when they wake up after [TS]

00:41:09   Wolverine or jumps off of the [TS]

00:41:11   Helicarrier into times square [TS]

00:41:13   yes and sees all the ads for everybody [TS]

00:41:16   as you do [TS]

00:41:17   yeah he's like oh great Wonder Man [TS]

00:41:19   dazzler Mary Jane Watson and and miss [TS]

00:41:23   marvel are the most popular people on [TS]

00:41:25   the planet dazzlers Oprah basically it's [TS]

00:41:28   truly is a dystopia I'm well it is [TS]

00:41:31   because she is a talented singer and [TS]

00:41:34   shouldn't be hosting a talk show you get [TS]

00:41:36   a disco bar you get a disco ball you get [TS]

00:41:39   a disco ball and you know I think I [TS]

00:41:42   think dazzler gets gets an [TS]

00:41:43   extraordinarily unfair amount of crap [TS]

00:41:46   and if you've read Greg box extreme [TS]

00:41:49   x-men series that just recently got to [TS]

00:41:50   got canceled yeah unfortunately that's [TS]

00:41:52   the star and she's awesome and she's [TS]

00:41:54   awesome [TS]

00:41:55   like she has the full shut up tension [TS]

00:41:57   that the merchants that one more night [TS]

00:41:59   crawlers the kid [TS]

00:42:00   yes yeah yes and and Charles Xavier is a [TS]

00:42:04   severed head in a bubble isn't available [TS]

00:42:06   on Marvel unlimited Nighy I thought yet [TS]

00:42:09   I think it's on comixology yeah but it [TS]

00:42:12   but this is the critical critical the [TS]

00:42:14   critical point here I think we're the [TS]

00:42:15   story turns the second time now is when [TS]

00:42:17   Wolverine wakes up you know even if I [TS]

00:42:19   have again i'm explaining to my daughter [TS]

00:42:20   she's five and i'm trying to call why [TS]

00:42:22   wait a minute [TS]

00:42:23   wat why is a sentinel doesn't seem a [TS]

00:42:25   little crazy so each turn I'm trying to [TS]

00:42:27   like you know feed her a little bit of [TS]

00:42:28   like what's coming because it's a lot to [TS]

00:42:29   cover but then Wolverine wakes up and [TS]

00:42:31   two interesting things happen you know [TS]

00:42:34   first of all he thinks something's up [TS]

00:42:38   he's the only one we've met so far like [TS]

00:42:40   you know Peter Parker's pretty smart and [TS]

00:42:42   he's got spidey sense and stuff and he [TS]

00:42:44   doesn't know anything is up in his world [TS]

00:42:45   although he does seem a little bit [TS]

00:42:47   where did we figure out that he's been [TS]

00:42:49   kind of been going monkey balls the [TS]

00:42:50   whole time is exactly what Laura again [TS]

00:42:53   the this is to me completely off topic [TS]

00:42:55   but the Robert Reynolds thing or [TS]

00:42:56   whatever is that there are people who [TS]

00:42:58   you know something happens with the red [TS]

00:43:01   gelatin and they know that there's a [TS]

00:43:02   matrix thing going on the blackness in [TS]

00:43:04   his case or whatever but two things [TS]

00:43:05   first of all Wolverine realizes [TS]

00:43:07   something is amiss [TS]

00:43:08   that's very interesting the readers are [TS]

00:43:10   realizing that but then one of my [TS]

00:43:12   favorite [TS]

00:43:13   I don't know that love the little guy [TS]

00:43:14   something happens that's very important [TS]

00:43:18   in the history of wolverine because it's [TS]

00:43:20   part of what made his character his [TS]

00:43:21   character and what happens he suddenly [TS]

00:43:24   remembers his life [TS]

00:43:26   yes we have it it's been a huge thing I [TS]

00:43:29   mean apart from his purse itís that [TS]

00:43:31   he's had has all the time from the [TS]

00:43:33   adamantium he doesn't know how old he is [TS]

00:43:35   we know he's been around since at least [TS]

00:43:37   like what the Civil War he's probably a [TS]

00:43:38   hundred and fifty years old and then [TS]

00:43:40   suddenly there's that heartbreaking like [TS]

00:43:42   I don't know heartbreaking scene for me [TS]

00:43:44   where he's like wait a minute he's [TS]

00:43:45   staying on the Helicarrier the magneto [TS]

00:43:48   Helicarrier with magneto flags and goes [TS]

00:43:51   I remember everything I remember my [TS]

00:43:53   whole life is just wonderful i love [TS]

00:43:55   these kinds of montages i love the Jean [TS]

00:43:57   Grey montage and all-new x-men that [TS]

00:43:58   accomplishes this but is our Peter [TS]

00:44:00   Parker one and this is great and you see [TS]

00:44:02   this two-page spread of like this flash [TS]

00:44:04   of memories you know and when he see him [TS]

00:44:07   with his bone claws fighting on what a [TS]

00:44:09   bear or something but I mean like to [TS]

00:44:11   meet a man at a call [TS]

00:44:13   haha but did you guys like that I i [TS]

00:44:16   don't know i might just sentimental or [TS]

00:44:18   you know if it's your story wise [TS]

00:44:20   obviously it's interesting that he's [TS]

00:44:22   realized this and he doesn't know why he [TS]

00:44:24   doesn't know why it's crazy and he [TS]

00:44:26   doesn't know and I'm trying to find my [TS]

00:44:27   daughter like you see like all the [TS]

00:44:29   levels of crazy here once got these [TS]

00:44:31   levels of crazy now Wolverine well woke [TS]

00:44:33   up and he feels like he's taking crazy [TS]

00:44:34   pills because he knows it's wrong [TS]

00:44:36   he knows it shouldn't be any says to [TS]

00:44:39   mustique like we're worried yesterday [TS]

00:44:40   because because all he knows is that [TS]

00:44:44   like yesterday he was in a different you [TS]

00:44:46   know marvel universe so anyway I the [TS]

00:44:49   fact that he's gets his memory back on [TS]

00:44:50   her clit acute memory i think is super [TS]

00:44:53   super interesting to the story even [TS]

00:44:55   before we meet Layla who knows stuff [TS]

00:44:57   well thatthat's I mean isn't that the [TS]

00:44:59   joy of this of [TS]

00:45:01   of this whole thing I mean I honestly [TS]

00:45:02   there's there's a big fight at the end i [TS]

00:45:04   mean really the plot of this is [TS]

00:45:05   everybody remembers that this is a fake [TS]

00:45:07   and then there's a big fight and then [TS]

00:45:09   that that's the end I mean that's kind [TS]

00:45:10   of that's our kind of the Icebreaker in [TS]

00:45:12   the Marvel Universe what they are was a [TS]

00:45:14   fight there or did they are in the end [TS]

00:45:16   and we have and we have that but I'm [TS]

00:45:17   just saying the way droppings got Scott [TS]

00:45:19   monologue about fighting a lot longer [TS]

00:45:21   than they actually fight i'm just gonna [TS]

00:45:22   tell you it's it's no world war hulk in [TS]

00:45:24   terms of fights and I'm just gonna say [TS]

00:45:26   about that but it was like 68 pages of [TS]

00:45:28   fighting and then likes got talking for [TS]

00:45:30   several pages about the ethics of [TS]

00:45:31   fighting thats that's what this what [TS]

00:45:34   this is in the house of m is really [TS]

00:45:36   interesting stories about how these [TS]

00:45:38   characters little vignettes almost in [TS]

00:45:40   some cases how these characters deal [TS]

00:45:42   with their different situation and [TS]

00:45:43   that's really what what what is [TS]

00:45:45   interesting to me about it i mean that [TS]

00:45:47   they're the fights that happens [TS]

00:45:49   icebreakers and the we're gonna go to [TS]

00:45:50   Genosha and fight things and which is [TS]

00:45:55   like a replay of how this all started [TS]

00:45:57   sort of you know that that was much less [TS]

00:46:00   interesting to me actually think you [TS]

00:46:02   later that the spider-man things [TS]

00:46:03   Wolverine is absolutely true [TS]

00:46:05   Hawkeye which we haven't really talked [TS]

00:46:06   about which who is dead in Avengers [TS]

00:46:08   disassembled it's easily the second [TS]

00:46:10   least annoying Hawkeye ever know the [TS]

00:46:13   current the current talk a lot of every [TS]

00:46:15   hawkeye were talking about is pretty hot [TS]

00:46:17   what hey easy tax heard Curt Hawkeye [TS]

00:46:20   which is one of the best comics ever and [TS]

00:46:23   then like it normally like a wise a [TS]

00:46:24   purple man in a dress like part of the [TS]

00:46:26   adventures that's a different thing [TS]

00:46:27   the arms ache Jason Jason you're the [TS]

00:46:30   you're the the spider guy do you wanna [TS]

00:46:31   maybe flush out this because I'll tell [TS]

00:46:34   you i love when I turn that page the [TS]

00:46:36   babies crying and then you see that [TS]

00:46:38   blonde hair and you're like oh yeah well [TS]

00:46:41   that's what's that if they were doing [TS]

00:46:42   and if that George O'Keefe white flash [TS]

00:46:44   was real man something just crazy balls [TS]

00:46:47   just happy at the end of the first issue [TS]

00:46:49   that's all we see is the little there's [TS]

00:46:51   a picture and uh and some and some [TS]

00:46:54   blonde hair and that it had no red hair [TS]

00:46:57   no you just hit a double jackpot tiger [TS]

00:46:59   you have also so it's when we discovered [TS]

00:47:02   the Peter Parker's not just like happy [TS]

00:47:04   and doesn't just like have Gwen Stacy [TS]

00:47:06   alive he is famous rich has a big giant [TS]

00:47:12   conglomerate is an entertainment star is [TS]

00:47:14   known as most better man and Peter [TS]

00:47:16   Parker is married to Gwen Stacy they [TS]

00:47:18   have a son is buying Norman Osborn out [TS]

00:47:21   from under himself yes [TS]

00:47:22   headbutt has bought out all Norman [TS]

00:47:24   Osborn stuff Gwen Stacy drops the hammer [TS]

00:47:26   when Stacy Parker drops the hammer on [TS]

00:47:28   Norman Osborn he buys all the stuffs [TS]

00:47:30   have fun and see what else I uncle ben's [TS]

00:47:34   alive and man alive [TS]

00:47:35   captain Stacy is alive he's not racked [TS]

00:47:38   with constant Peter Parker this anymore [TS]

00:47:39   which is given as you say that this [TS]

00:47:41   becomes like age of fear planet house of [TS]

00:47:45   them like will be bummed but like in [TS]

00:47:47   this case you're like oh god the guy [TS]

00:47:49   Connor break he's got my daughter loves [TS]

00:47:51   Richie like all yeah he's two or three [TS]

00:47:54   he's so cute he's got the little boy and [TS]

00:47:55   you go like oh god [TS]

00:47:57   Uncle Ben you know it's I in and you're [TS]

00:47:59   like you aren't you a pretty big spider [TS]

00:48:01   and guy [TS]

00:48:02   oh yeah goodbye my love goes up and down [TS]

00:48:04   low but I mean from back in the day like [TS]

00:48:06   we talked about this on the another [TS]

00:48:08   program identified by five and like how [TS]

00:48:10   it sits so one of the things that makes [TS]

00:48:11   well maybe arguably you guys tell me if [TS]

00:48:13   you think otherwise but i think one of [TS]

00:48:15   the things so obvious makes Peter [TS]

00:48:17   Parker's spider and such a great [TS]

00:48:19   character is that as awesome as he is as [TS]

00:48:21   funny as he is and talented and helpful [TS]

00:48:23   and the fact that he'll like stop what [TS]

00:48:24   he's doing and like he's he's never got [TS]

00:48:27   any money [TS]

00:48:28   he's always poor and he'll like stop [TS]

00:48:30   whatever he's doing because he feels [TS]

00:48:31   like he has to help somebody because [TS]

00:48:33   there's still that one day from 1960 [TS]

00:48:35   diggity 123 or whatever it was he [TS]

00:48:37   screwed up really bad one time and that [TS]

00:48:40   now defines his character in a way that [TS]

00:48:42   I think is pretty credible a lot of the [TS]

00:48:43   time and he doesn't have that now he's [TS]

00:48:45   got the woman that he loved and my god [TS]

00:48:48   when you see that one panel with the [TS]

00:48:50   snap [TS]

00:48:50   doesn't that just gonna break your heart [TS]

00:48:51   a little its with with great power comes [TS]

00:48:53   great riches and success [TS]

00:48:55   apparently in this world and attending [TS]

00:48:58   publicist named jay jones gmail yes yes [TS]

00:49:00   yes he hires Jonah as his publicist so [TS]

00:49:04   that he can treat them like dirt and [TS]

00:49:05   it's it's it's it [TS]

00:49:07   yeah it's interesting because it is such [TS]

00:49:10   a departure and it isn't the Peter [TS]

00:49:12   Parker that we know and at you know i [TS]

00:49:14   was fascinated from that the whole idea [TS]

00:49:16   of like well and finally he's got a he's [TS]

00:49:19   got a break but that's of course the [TS]

00:49:20   thing is this can't this can't stay and [TS]

00:49:23   it's got to go back and it and but it's [TS]

00:49:25   very upsetting for him because he's [TS]

00:49:26   really got [TS]

00:49:27   you know this wonderful life that he has [TS]

00:49:30   to give up and so from his perspective [TS]

00:49:31   all of a sudden he's losing his child [TS]

00:49:34   and his wife and his uncle who he or she [TS]

00:49:37   lost so painfully so long ago and got [TS]

00:49:39   back and and Gwen's father and you know [TS]

00:49:43   and it's but he didn't know again like [TS]

00:49:46   not to beat to death but he's got my [TS]

00:49:47   family he doesn't I mean like it's one [TS]

00:49:49   thing that like protect and maintain her [TS]

00:49:51   numerous heart attacks as his diary [TS]

00:49:52   reveals but you know twisted insane [TS]

00:49:55   diary his diary but that that's in that [TS]

00:49:58   looks like his diary that's like out of [TS]

00:50:01   the out of this the the pages of the [TS]

00:50:03   movie seven haha that's a really that's [TS]

00:50:07   a lot of information for one diary but [TS]

00:50:09   again he's got a family [TS]

00:50:10   he's gone he's gone beyond having to [TS]

00:50:12   worry about basically having the [TS]

00:50:14   slightly retarded personality i I'm [TS]

00:50:18   sorry that you know the word i'm trying [TS]

00:50:19   to use here is using that the kind of [TS]

00:50:21   backward mentality of a slightly [TS]

00:50:23   sophisticated high school student to now [TS]

00:50:25   having a family where he can be a [TS]

00:50:26   grown-up right and he's genuinely happy [TS]

00:50:28   which is nice [TS]

00:50:29   he's a fully-realized adult he's [TS]

00:50:32   literally getting to where the daddy [TS]

00:50:33   pins [TS]

00:50:34   yes of course he's it's all it's all a [TS]

00:50:36   sham because he said said to everyone [TS]

00:50:37   that he's a mutant and he's not all that [TS]

00:50:40   I see that was the best part of the time [TS]

00:50:41   because I hadn't thought about that a [TS]

00:50:43   lot i mean in that got me thinking why [TS]

00:50:45   did you kill Luke Cage in my beloved [TS]

00:50:47   black cat like what why were they [TS]

00:50:49   allowed to still live you know what I [TS]

00:50:50   mean it's not like they're they were [TS]

00:50:52   used to make soylent green or something [TS]

00:50:54   but but in spite his case he didn't he [TS]

00:50:57   was passing his pattern Rams passing [TS]

00:50:59   strange well it's the then this whole [TS]

00:51:02   thing for me brought up a bigger [TS]

00:51:05   question that continue to ripple across [TS]

00:51:07   the timestream as I jumped from [TS]

00:51:08   crossover crossover in the wrong order [TS]

00:51:10   in a way that could only be bad for my [TS]

00:51:12   brain where I started thinking about [TS]

00:51:14   well what what is a mutant really and [TS]

00:51:16   why do we not classify Peter Parker is a [TS]

00:51:18   mutant it is all well he wasn't born [TS]

00:51:21   that way so that second drill [TS]

00:51:23   well they don't they don't have that she [TS]

00:51:25   didn't have the gene they don't have the [TS]

00:51:26   gene but the the fluffy science that [TS]

00:51:31   they used to define all the stuff in the [TS]

00:51:32   first place kind of starts to fall apart [TS]

00:51:34   when it's well is it is it a gene [TS]

00:51:37   sequence because then theoretically you [TS]

00:51:40   could have the same kind of [TS]

00:51:41   in sequence be what has been inserted [TS]

00:51:43   into jessica andrews DNA what [TS]

00:51:45   well depending on which of the 17 [TS]

00:51:48   different versions there now are of [TS]

00:51:50   Peter Parker's origin as spider-man you [TS]

00:51:52   go with you know that it gets more and [TS]

00:51:55   more complicated as to well how mutated [TS]

00:51:58   are you really well i always like that [TS]

00:52:00   in ultimate spider-man where there is [TS]

00:52:04   this in the Ultimate Universe there is [TS]

00:52:06   this kind of dichotomy between humans [TS]

00:52:08   and mutants to and it's a little bit [TS]

00:52:09   differently drawn than it is in the main [TS]

00:52:11   Marvel Universe I like that that [TS]

00:52:13   spider-man is I think basically assumed [TS]

00:52:17   to be Peter Parker assumed to be a [TS]

00:52:20   mutant in his interactions with the [TS]

00:52:22   x-men and when he's dating Kitty Pryde [TS]

00:52:24   and it puts him in an interesting [TS]

00:52:26   position because what he can't do is say [TS]

00:52:28   oh no no no I'm not a mutant you can [TS]

00:52:31   like me because his friends are there [TS]

00:52:33   are mutants and and that puts him in [TS]

00:52:35   this terrible position of saying you [TS]

00:52:36   don't have to discriminate against me [TS]

00:52:38   i'm not a mutant and so we just started [TS]

00:52:40   just deals with it that they think he's [TS]

00:52:42   a mutant even though he's not that but [TS]

00:52:44   that also gets to that to the core [TS]

00:52:45   discrimination issue which is that you [TS]

00:52:48   know we as enlighten people can look at [TS]

00:52:50   people of many races and say well [TS]

00:52:52   certainly there are differences but [TS]

00:52:54   there's nothing genetically that makes [TS]

00:52:56   these people who look a certain way bad [TS]

00:52:58   people but that again to me this go [TS]

00:53:01   straight back to the discrimination [TS]

00:53:02   thread from the sixties from the you [TS]

00:53:05   know x-men vol 1 stuff [TS]

00:53:07   yep which is that you know what you got [TS]

00:53:09   superpowers that's great you know that's [TS]

00:53:11   that super you know we are you know wewe [TS]

00:53:13   really like we love we love Captain [TS]

00:53:15   Marvel we love whomever but like you [TS]

00:53:17   know what I've never trusted those [TS]

00:53:19   mutants because they're different and [TS]

00:53:21   they think they're better than us homo [TS]

00:53:23   superior really so i think that's that's [TS]

00:53:25   a key thing that can't be lost and it's [TS]

00:53:27   also the threat of them overtaking [TS]

00:53:29   humanity i think is is is what's playing [TS]

00:53:31   there at least in the in the storyline [TS]

00:53:33   is that it always it always has been [TS]

00:53:35   if you get hit because you're in the [TS]

00:53:37   street and there's a truck with [TS]

00:53:38   radioactive material that strikes you in [TS]

00:53:40   the head makes you blind gives you a [TS]

00:53:41   radar sense so that you can see but [TS]

00:53:43   without seeing that's a what I mean well [TS]

00:53:45   how often is that going to happen what's [TS]

00:53:47   right part of my mates striker so great [TS]

00:53:49   in God loves man kills which I really [TS]

00:53:52   don't know if you guys are fans but like [TS]

00:53:53   I just got [TS]

00:53:54   i recommend that but Kylie and I am as a [TS]

00:53:55   standalone standalone yes-men story it's [TS]

00:53:58   pretty hard to beat because he said its [TS]

00:54:01   I mean for those of you who are anywhere [TS]

00:54:04   near my advanced age you really remember [TS]

00:54:06   i said since without judgment criticism [TS]

00:54:09   but there was a time in the eighties [TS]

00:54:11   where we were pretty overrun by like TV [TS]

00:54:15   ministers and zealots who were going way [TS]

00:54:17   out of their way to create these you [TS]

00:54:19   know bifurcations in the culture and and [TS]

00:54:22   that's why i thought that was so [TS]

00:54:23   effective in that case and in this case [TS]

00:54:25   you know obviously is taking this thing [TS]

00:54:26   in turning it on its head but I don't [TS]

00:54:32   know I thought the idea you know the [TS]

00:54:33   phrase passing strange the idea that you [TS]

00:54:35   could pass because there was a time [TS]

00:54:36   especially in the US where if you are [TS]

00:54:38   very light-skinned you know that Lena [TS]

00:54:40   Horne I think Lena Horne i try to [TS]

00:54:44   remember this correctly but people with [TS]

00:54:45   the skin tone of a lena horne could get [TS]

00:54:47   away with being white which is why they [TS]

00:54:49   would say that their their Latin there [TS]

00:54:51   sure anybody watching part puerto rican [TS]

00:54:54   but I watched Ken Burns's jazz thing you [TS]

00:54:56   know that you know Louie Armstrong did [TS]

00:54:58   not get to sleep in the nice hotels even [TS]

00:55:01   exactly gifted musician in America and I [TS]

00:55:04   I thought they just that well can I I [TS]

00:55:06   the thing that I just can't let go of an [TS]

00:55:08   in-house of em is that those those [TS]

00:55:11   little holes that are poked in it where [TS]

00:55:12   I'm like well this is this is really [TS]

00:55:14   more more like an issue of what if [TS]

00:55:17   stretched out then in a full-on [TS]

00:55:20   storyline because this character in this [TS]

00:55:22   character in this character there I I [TS]

00:55:26   almost can't understand why they would [TS]

00:55:28   wish for this like why would why would [TS]

00:55:30   the Hulk's most fervent wish b2b out at [TS]

00:55:34   peace among a bunch of aboriginals and [TS]

00:55:36   then have to reenact world war hulk are [TS]

00:55:40   not world war hulk planet hulk to some [TS]

00:55:43   extent in Australia and and still not be [TS]

00:55:46   happy and at peace like why are none of [TS]

00:55:47   these people's most farthest but because [TS]

00:55:50   he goes back to jason's theory that [TS]

00:55:51   wanted was strategically deploying [TS]

00:55:54   people into into lives that would keep [TS]

00:55:56   them distracted and away from her but [TS]

00:55:57   also but all she also i mean like this [TS]

00:55:59   to me is is work it's interesting also [TS]

00:56:01   is that she placed everybody it's never [TS]

00:56:04   been played video games but what like [TS]

00:56:06   sims or something like that [TS]

00:56:07   just started out you put all these [TS]

00:56:09   people into this little environments [TS]

00:56:10   that ok or dnd for example like i'm [TS]

00:56:13   going to give you this vorpal weapon in [TS]

00:56:14   this mini heart boots and in this gold [TS]

00:56:16   and then we'll see what happens [TS]

00:56:18   like I've set you up but in this [TS]

00:56:19   instance who knows like we're in that [TS]

00:56:21   whatever 15 years that this has been [TS]

00:56:23   going on that didn't get the census this [TS]

00:56:25   has been happening because remember he [TS]

00:56:26   goes to the mansion and the guy says [TS]

00:56:30   he's been living in saviors place for 15 [TS]

00:56:32   years so this is and yet there are [TS]

00:56:35   callbacks to stuff that's happened in [TS]

00:56:36   the past like jonah Jameson right so [TS]

00:56:38   it's something there's there's something [TS]

00:56:40   that's happened [TS]

00:56:41   we're at some point in the timeline [TS]

00:56:42   things changed and like that was [TS]

00:56:45   acceptable but I also i'm what makes [TS]

00:56:48   this work for me and maybe this is my [TS]

00:56:49   own personal reckoning and myself but I [TS]

00:56:52   i think part of it might also be like [TS]

00:56:54   yeah okay I set you up with the thing [TS]

00:56:56   you wanted and now i'm gonna play mr. [TS]

00:56:58   Rourke and i'm just going to sit back [TS]

00:56:59   and lucky I'm gonna see what happens [TS]

00:57:01   with you make maybe things didn't go [TS]

00:57:02   well for gambit like like who knows but [TS]

00:57:04   you know I didn't read the hawk one I [TS]

00:57:07   didn't love the art in it the the art [TS]

00:57:09   the art and the Hulk one didn't put me [TS]

00:57:11   off as much as the art in the ironman [TS]

00:57:12   tie in which I mostly read because I [TS]

00:57:15   great park road it and I'm obsessed with [TS]

00:57:17   the guy [TS]

00:57:18   yep and it there there are some bits of [TS]

00:57:21   art in some of these crossovers that put [TS]

00:57:23   me off a little bit yeah but none of [TS]

00:57:25   them put me off so much that I just [TS]

00:57:28   couldn't read it if it was it was a [TS]

00:57:30   series of Italian that I wanted to read [TS]

00:57:31   anyway so one of the things i like [TS]

00:57:33   Merlin said this and I i like it is [TS]

00:57:37   there is this a tissue core miniseries [TS]

00:57:39   and you don't need anything else [TS]

00:57:41   you really don't to tell the story and [TS]

00:57:43   then there's the side trips and it's [TS]

00:57:44   almost like it doesn't matter whether [TS]

00:57:45   the side trips are in the continuity or [TS]

00:57:47   not because the spider-man really [TS]

00:57:48   doesn't make any sense and continuity at [TS]

00:57:50   all the way it ends up except we get to [TS]

00:57:52   see him tortured in a different universe [TS]

00:57:55   yeah its total it's more of this more [TS]

00:57:57   more pain if you would like [TS]

00:57:58   are you interested in this pain that [TS]

00:58:00   you've seen for Peter Parker we have [TS]

00:58:01   five issues for you to read if you'd [TS]

00:58:03   like to see it in detail right if you'd [TS]

00:58:05   like to see pockets and a self-addressed [TS]

00:58:06   stamped envelope yeah and-and-and you'll [TS]

00:58:09   get some more Peter Parker pain because [TS]

00:58:10   with the there's plenty to go around but [TS]

00:58:12   I did like that about it that everything [TS]

00:58:14   else is just sort of like you not [TS]

00:58:16   required reading its it follow your your [TS]

00:58:19   interest there's a thing with hot [TS]

00:58:20   guy coming back from the dead there's [TS]

00:58:22   the Iron Man stuff there's the Hulk [TS]

00:58:24   stuff there's the always the other one [TS]

00:58:27   that i read that i mean it there were [TS]

00:58:29   lots of different different times but [TS]

00:58:31   they weren't really none of them felt [TS]

00:58:33   remotely necessary and so it was really [TS]

00:58:35   just sort of like whatever you know [TS]

00:58:37   happened to get your attention to the [TS]

00:58:38   Fantastic Four [TS]

00:58:40   I think what wolverine wolverine [TS]

00:58:41   spider-man why I flip through a bunch [TS]

00:58:44   and read it read a couple and I flipped [TS]

00:58:46   in again and this is like me and Craig [TS]

00:58:48   around where like if I see a certain [TS]

00:58:50   kind of art I just go close the book it [TS]

00:58:51   just drives me bananas but i think the [TS]

00:58:53   wolverine time oh I'm glad Wolverine [TS]

00:58:55   tions yet you know what he needs to me [TS]

00:58:57   to meet a woman who has a second [TS]

00:58:59   expression but the the walgreens my [TS]

00:59:01   internet that was very good i thought [TS]

00:59:03   the spider anti and even though i was [TS]

00:59:05   little dissatisfied with how it you know [TS]

00:59:07   kind of didn't relate like a pocket that [TS]

00:59:09   pocket but I'm but fantastic four of the [TS]

00:59:13   captain america Brubaker that we're [TS]

00:59:15   gonna bring in yeah that's that that's [TS]

00:59:17   good because it it literally is just [TS]

00:59:19   recapping as America's life recounting [TS]

00:59:22   the ultimate it's the it's the most [TS]

00:59:24   definitive sad old man comic ever of all [TS]

00:59:26   time and when you see anyone check his [TS]

00:59:28   mail though isn't it pretty great [TS]

00:59:30   I mean it's he's so old he's well he's [TS]

00:59:34   so old in that issue to he's a butt [TS]

00:59:37   isn't like dumb in it i flipped by but [TS]

00:59:39   it looks like the uri yeah yeah i mean [TS]

00:59:42   very GMOs in it [TS]

00:59:43   I mean it here improvement is very true [TS]

00:59:45   was it that way you can argue that he [TS]

00:59:47   gets what he wants which is to grow old [TS]

00:59:48   with this contemporary well away our [TS]

00:59:50   gang because the big old tragedy of [TS]

00:59:52   Captain America is always a man out of [TS]

00:59:53   time and and and he has nothing to live [TS]

00:59:56   for but it's more he's the first man on [TS]

00:59:57   the Moon one that that all-star [TS]

00:59:57   the Moon one that that all-star [TS]

01:00:00   still fits in here because not three or [TS]

01:00:01   four pages go by that he doesn't say [TS]

01:00:03   something along the lines of oh yeah you [TS]

01:00:06   know the way the world is these days you [TS]

01:00:08   know it's like it's like I don't belong [TS]

01:00:09   here like he's still essentially the [TS]

01:00:12   exact same character [TS]

01:00:13   yeah tremendously dissatisfied with [TS]

01:00:16   having you know changed history as he's [TS]

01:00:19   the worst anything and alone and Bucky [TS]

01:00:24   hates him and yeah yeah and he's they [TS]

01:00:27   sort of think he's a traitor and he [TS]

01:00:28   because he didn't testify and in the [TS]

01:00:30   McCarthy hearings actually kind of funny [TS]

01:00:32   but that was a good standalone issue but [TS]

01:00:34   they're not necessary right and that's [TS]

01:00:35   that was a nice thing about about all of [TS]

01:00:38   them totally like you don't I mean [TS]

01:00:39   that's what's so frustrating at somebody [TS]

01:00:40   coming in from the outside with the [TS]

01:00:42   budget is like you oh you gotta buy oh [TS]

01:00:45   and it's hardly know they just did they [TS]

01:00:47   just did that whatever-it-was [TS]

01:00:48   extermination or whatever that was the [TS]

01:00:50   the alternate reality x-men comics event [TS]

01:00:54   and it was the last issue of extreme [TS]

01:00:55   x-men and it was my first time I I [TS]

01:00:58   thought it was nonsensical and second it [TS]

01:01:00   was not like I could just buy the by the [TS]

01:01:04   event and read it it was like I issue 38 [TS]

01:01:07   of this comic and by issue 22 of this [TS]

01:01:09   comic and then its continued and it was [TS]

01:01:12   just it was confusing and and even more [TS]

01:01:15   transparently an attempt to just get you [TS]

01:01:17   to buy issues of a comic that you don't [TS]

01:01:19   read and it always drove me crazy so [TS]

01:01:21   it's nice it's nice when women's you [TS]

01:01:24   know the spin-offs are optional the main [TS]

01:01:26   stories in the main story [TS]

01:01:28   yeah I like that ever people say this [TS]

01:01:30   about john byrne I don't know enough to [TS]

01:01:32   say this is true but you know he's done [TS]

01:01:34   some stuff people thought was a little [TS]

01:01:35   wacky sometimes but what people say [TS]

01:01:37   about him is like he never forgot that [TS]

01:01:39   the common should be fun and and when [TS]

01:01:41   you're trying to you know make your [TS]

01:01:42   business sustainable when the money is [TS]

01:01:44   tough you know I you've gotta probably [TS]

01:01:47   make all kinds of nutball decisions you [TS]

01:01:49   know to get people to go and do it but [TS]

01:01:51   like you know i love comiXology this is [TS]

01:01:53   nothing is the app or the people who [TS]

01:01:56   make it i think this has a lot to do [TS]

01:01:57   with Marvel but it's frustrating to me [TS]

01:01:58   like you can go and buy stuff by story [TS]

01:02:00   arc but you or storyline or whatever but [TS]

01:02:03   you can't read it that way so like I [TS]

01:02:05   love fantastic for an FF and frankly if [TS]

01:02:08   I got the floppies i love the way they [TS]

01:02:10   interleave like personally like I you [TS]

01:02:12   know what the Hickman [TS]

01:02:13   stuff and with the fraction yeah [TS]

01:02:16   fraction stuff i really like that but [TS]

01:02:18   it's it's a difficult way to read when [TS]

01:02:20   you in my case I'm not going to tell you [TS]

01:02:22   what I did to try and clinical prepare [TS]

01:02:24   for this i have a sheet of paper next to [TS]

01:02:26   me from different reading order sites [TS]

01:02:28   and and and like you know like you know [TS]

01:02:31   what I'm not going to go out and read is [TS]

01:02:33   always one iron fist you have to read [TS]

01:02:34   for everything [TS]

01:02:35   yeah and what I mean it's like when you [TS]

01:02:37   buy the Legos in a bag and iris got a [TS]

01:02:40   great heroes for hire a number 23 so are [TS]

01:02:41   you saying something is fire fist just [TS]

01:02:43   so we're clear [TS]

01:02:44   no I'm just saying I which I reject your [TS]

01:02:46   notion of mandatory mandatory issues but [TS]

01:02:49   i think i think there is an iron fist [TS]

01:02:51   for all seasons not i did that there's [TS]

01:02:54   apparently never seen it is a torrent [TS]

01:02:56   you can get at the entire x-men [TS]

01:02:58   basically every x-men in vertically [TS]

01:03:01   revised chronological order if it exists [TS]

01:03:03   but like if you do you know if you just [TS]

01:03:04   want to read the Phoenix saga or in it [TS]

01:03:07   you know it [TS]

01:03:08   some of the things like I want to like [TS]

01:03:10   decimation anyway long story short I'm [TS]

01:03:12   really agree with what you said about [TS]

01:03:14   what I said which is that you know if [TS]

01:03:15   you're I'm always interested in trying [TS]

01:03:17   to help other people who like me are [TS]

01:03:19   adrift in this in this world of marvel [TS]

01:03:21   comics that can be really confusing and [TS]

01:03:24   this is I is anybody who wants to go and [TS]

01:03:27   start [TS]

01:03:28   personally I think with X titles [TS]

01:03:29   especially astonishing x-men is a great [TS]

01:03:31   place to start because if you're a [TS]

01:03:32   gifted gifted by itself like you don't [TS]

01:03:35   have to know everything about them but [TS]

01:03:37   you'll get it [TS]

01:03:37   and in this case yeah I had to go and [TS]

01:03:39   look up I don't know misty night I like [TS]

01:03:40   had to go look that up [TS]

01:03:42   ok so so at the end of house of them [TS]

01:03:46   there is this [TS]

01:03:48   it's like it's like to have a wire you [TS]

01:03:50   know has that has that next to last [TS]

01:03:52   episode where everybody dies and then [TS]

01:03:54   there's the last episode which is the [TS]

01:03:56   the return sort of like consideration of [TS]

01:04:00   what's all gone on that's the wrecks [TS]

01:04:02   that was apologue yeah it's the wrap-up [TS]

01:04:04   episode so rather than having a [TS]

01:04:06   crescendo that ends in a cliffhanger [TS]

01:04:08   like you seen so many shows the wire the [TS]

01:04:10   penultimate episode which is that's the [TS]

01:04:12   George Pelecanos episode right everybody [TS]

01:04:15   dies and then terrible things happen and [TS]

01:04:17   then there's this summation episode well [TS]

01:04:19   well how spends a little bit like that [TS]

01:04:21   because the 8 episode 8 issue episode [TS]

01:04:23   the eighth issue is after the the [TS]

01:04:27   chendo of this fight that leads to [TS]

01:04:29   wander sort of waking up and saying wow [TS]

01:04:31   this is all happening because we're [TS]

01:04:32   mutants mutants are stupid [TS]

01:04:34   no more mutants and and then we have the [TS]

01:04:37   result which is also the one thing in [TS]

01:04:40   this other than the memories sweet sweet [TS]

01:04:42   memories that Peter Parker and wolverine [TS]

01:04:43   and people like that have of this event [TS]

01:04:46   everything goes back to normal but this [TS]

01:04:48   one thing has changed which is the D [TS]

01:04:50   powering of most of the mutants in the [TS]

01:04:52   marvel universe which is interesting and [TS]

01:04:54   I guess has lots of our they're still [TS]

01:04:57   not that many mutants around even now [TS]

01:04:59   we're still seeing that and even in [TS]

01:05:01   something like gradual I mean like you [TS]

01:05:02   could see the pickup of that in Phoenix [TS]

01:05:04   stuff i mean i think it's not okay so [TS]

01:05:07   we'll have boy spoilers spoilers [TS]

01:05:09   spoilers the last period last boilers [TS]

01:05:11   for the last eight years as well and I [TS]

01:05:13   mean you can't think about the last page [TS]

01:05:15   of this the last two pages of this are a [TS]

01:05:18   bridge to something that's happened in [TS]

01:05:20   the last year and I mean I'm still not [TS]

01:05:23   really clear on who exactly is there's [TS]

01:05:25   certainly a paging go to find out who [TS]

01:05:27   got the power and killed you can find [TS]

01:05:29   out who died with magneto flooded New [TS]

01:05:30   York these pages for all these things [TS]

01:05:31   but I'm but you know even now i have to [TS]

01:05:35   tell you I think the uncanny x-men right [TS]

01:05:36   now one of the best books out there is [TS]

01:05:39   interesting because of the same reasons [TS]

01:05:42   of being powered but so basically knocks [TS]

01:05:45   Wanda has realized she finally has this [TS]

01:05:48   huge throw down with her father like you [TS]

01:05:50   had a sweater was there when they raised [TS]

01:05:52   by a talking cow is that right choices [TS]

01:05:55   did magneto like Noah's wife magna like [TS]

01:05:58   lost it and then he like that left and [TS]

01:06:00   am I having a stroke [TS]

01:06:02   didn't he have them raised by a talking [TS]

01:06:03   cow i thought there was a gypsy if I had [TS]

01:06:06   a little bit kingdom but a revolutionary [TS]

01:06:09   is that is that right but I mean I'd [TS]

01:06:12   like basically abandoned his kids and [TS]

01:06:14   they've got issues around that and so [TS]

01:06:16   she she flips out at the end and she [TS]

01:06:19   realizes that means of the problem [TS]

01:06:21   yep no more mins isn't a great isn't a [TS]

01:06:24   great panel them so at the end of house [TS]

01:06:26   of them no more mutants the Declaration [TS]

01:06:29   we have the aftermath issue and then [TS]

01:06:30   this has ramifications in the Marvel [TS]

01:06:32   Universe to come uh oh god what what so [TS]

01:06:37   decimation happens later i did read son [TS]

01:06:39   of them [TS]

01:06:40   we're we're in Pietro steals shit storm [TS]

01:06:45   from black bold now don't even it's not [TS]

01:06:47   it's also an adventure time it's not [TS]

01:06:50   good like a mad libs where it sits where [TS]

01:06:54   you I'll take a noun now to describe [TS]

01:06:58   what Pietro's after and i will take its [TS]

01:07:02   like Marvel Comics improv Pietro [TS]

01:07:04   vibrates through time just feel crystals [TS]

01:07:07   to take his daughter who he has with the [TS]

01:07:11   girl from the Inhumans will turn her [TS]

01:07:13   crystal yes and turn her name [TS]

01:07:16   okay well and there are christmas steals [TS]

01:07:18   crystals to end but not crystal and then [TS]

01:07:22   transforms his daughter into a mutant [TS]

01:07:24   but not a mutant she's just a mutation [TS]

01:07:26   using the mists the Terrigen mists [TS]

01:07:28   wetter weather we read these [TS]

01:07:30   I don't even know why we read these [TS]

01:07:32   things so what else is there what was [TS]

01:07:34   the last thing that impact of this did [TS]

01:07:36   this have positive effects on the [TS]

01:07:38   stories to just create some other good [TS]

01:07:39   stories down the road or was this just [TS]

01:07:42   you know a nice what if that that did a [TS]

01:07:45   mild reset button that has since been [TS]

01:07:47   you know counteracted tell me because I [TS]

01:07:49   honestly I don't know it did it did [TS]

01:07:52   solve that problem that that case i was [TS]

01:07:55   talking about when I I for one never [TS]

01:07:57   really experienced yeah I never [TS]

01:08:00   understood how so [TS]

01:08:01   chase there's so many mutants that a [TS]

01:08:04   large city like New York would actually [TS]

01:08:06   have like a Chinatown can literally [TS]

01:08:08   that's like that doesn't make any sense [TS]

01:08:10   whatsoever to me and so that's one that [TS]

01:08:13   was a good thing but now they're [TS]

01:08:14   starting to rewind that again because [TS]

01:08:16   the again sports spoiler the end of [TS]

01:08:19   Avengers vs. x-men ends with like the [TS]

01:08:21   Phoenix force essentially blanketing the [TS]

01:08:24   entire planet with some sort of a [TS]

01:08:25   revitalization of mutation like the the [TS]

01:08:29   gentle giant got the giant mystic [TS]

01:08:31   MacGuffin of mutation has been a pilot i [TS]

01:08:35   got a real it and so now we're going to [TS]

01:08:36   see a lot more mutants of you dust but [TS]

01:08:39   that was all set up here right and it [TS]

01:08:41   was all set up here because they're in [TS]

01:08:42   the end they going where did all that [TS]

01:08:43   mean energy go and then of course if [TS]

01:08:46   you're not sure what to do you get the [TS]

01:08:47   Phoenix ex machina yeah but it did have [TS]

01:08:52   long-range effects but as [TS]

01:08:53   everything that Marvel does they always [TS]

01:08:55   have their finger on the chest piece and [TS]

01:08:57   they're always going to say i haven't [TS]

01:08:58   gone yet [TS]

01:08:59   wait a minute i can take this back now [TS]

01:09:01   wait a minute if it but i will split [TS]

01:09:03   second I did say some negative things [TS]

01:09:04   about it i think in the beginning that i [TS]

01:09:06   didn't read that i want to clarify that [TS]

01:09:08   i thought was one of the best Marvel [TS]

01:09:12   events because as everyone's been saying [TS]

01:09:14   for the past hour and a half [TS]

01:09:16   it really did read like one major what [TS]

01:09:19   if that was designed to exist in its own [TS]

01:09:21   bottle and then at the end there will be [TS]

01:09:23   some editorial housekeeping that is [TS]

01:09:25   enabled by the events in house of em [TS]

01:09:27   like you know that the Great Muta [TS]

01:09:28   rollback butt in but you can really buy [TS]

01:09:31   that one trade paperback and just enjoy [TS]

01:09:33   it as one big story so on that basis I [TS]

01:09:36   think one of the most successful events [TS]

01:09:37   they've done probably this is certainly [TS]

01:09:40   the most success successful event that [TS]

01:09:42   was gone because i think was the only [TS]

01:09:44   event of the past five six maybe even [TS]

01:09:45   seven years where I was actually [TS]

01:09:47   satisfied somewhat not completely bully [TS]

01:09:50   someone with it with it with the central [TS]

01:09:52   story of evidence I've been quiet quiet [TS]

01:09:55   not because you know i've been i've been [TS]

01:09:57   reading reading a book here while you [TS]

01:09:59   guys were talking it's more than I [TS]

01:10:00   really I really I realized that I wasn't [TS]

01:10:02   at the time i was interested in the [TS]

01:10:04   central story i was kind of not [TS]

01:10:06   interested or and/or baffled by all the [TS]

01:10:09   little satellite stories that I was [TS]

01:10:11   supposed to really find and find to 299 [TS]

01:10:14   399 throw form you have to get to get [TS]

01:10:17   the edges of it so it's like I can't I [TS]

01:10:19   don't want I don't want to say hi i'm [TS]

01:10:21   wrong i want to interrupt you to say [TS]

01:10:22   uh-huh not continue every my job while I [TS]

01:10:26   wouldn't have bought them III read them [TS]

01:10:28   because of the Marvel unlimited but it [TS]

01:10:29   is funny this store one of the things [TS]

01:10:31   that I think works about the storyline [TS]

01:10:32   is so many of these comic book events [TS]

01:10:35   either and with a reset button or they [TS]

01:10:41   are eventually reset and you know this [TS]

01:10:44   will change everything and of course [TS]

01:10:45   they never change anything like andy [TS]

01:10:46   says they keep their finger on the chest [TS]

01:10:48   piece [TS]

01:10:48   what's different about house of his [TS]

01:10:50   house of them is in some ways it's like [TS]

01:10:52   it's like a caper where the objective is [TS]

01:10:55   to press the reset button [TS]

01:10:57   so when the reset button gets pressed it [TS]

01:10:59   doesn't feel like a ripoff [TS]

01:11:01   because of course it's going to get [TS]

01:11:03   pressed that's the whole point of the [TS]

01:11:04   story is they're trying to press the [TS]

01:11:05   reset button [TS]

01:11:06   so I thought that was really clever that [TS]

01:11:08   i don't i don't feel disappointed like [TS]

01:11:09   oh and then it's just going to go back [TS]

01:11:11   to the way it was like the whole point [TS]

01:11:12   is to get it back to the way it was it's [TS]

01:11:14   like the reverse of all the other comic [TS]

01:11:16   book events that are out there where the [TS]

01:11:17   goal is to change everything forever [TS]

01:11:19   like we know we have a home and we need [TS]

01:11:21   to get back there which is different [TS]

01:11:22   from were all like under some universe [TS]

01:11:24   spell exactly well it'll never be the [TS]

01:11:27   same after this if I don't know we [TS]

01:11:28   wanted to go back to being the same can [TS]

01:11:30   go back to being the same and that's the [TS]

01:11:32   whole story of house of m is the the you [TS]

01:11:34   know let's get everybody back together [TS]

01:11:35   so we can reset the universe back to [TS]

01:11:37   what we're used to on the subject of the [TS]

01:11:39   tie-ins like like and he was saying I [TS]

01:11:42   didn't buy all these when they first [TS]

01:11:44   came out and i'm lucky enough to have a [TS]

01:11:45   great local comic chocolate shop like [TS]

01:11:47   awesome books and comics that has a [TS]

01:11:49   ridiculous amount of back issues and [TS]

01:11:51   something like the spider-man five-part [TS]

01:11:53   thing i wouldn't pay 299 399 piece for [TS]

01:11:56   those five issues no way i would I just [TS]

01:11:58   wouldn't do that but when I can go to [TS]

01:12:01   their sidekick store that has loads and [TS]

01:12:02   loads back issues and they packaged [TS]

01:12:04   together things like the spider-man [TS]

01:12:06   House of M thing where you get them for [TS]

01:12:08   like a buck apiece [TS]

01:12:10   great i'm in no and when comiXology does [TS]

01:12:12   does a sale puts things on 99 cents [TS]

01:12:15   apiece great awesome thats that's [TS]

01:12:17   fantastic if you get the Marvel [TS]

01:12:19   unlimited that there are one Marvel [TS]

01:12:21   unlimited is is what it's growing into [TS]

01:12:25   the kind of service that I've wanted all [TS]

01:12:28   of the major comics folks to have for [TS]

01:12:30   some time and I hope that it continues [TS]

01:12:32   improving yeah yeah so we're there other [TS]

01:12:37   positive impacts of the of the end of [TS]

01:12:41   this story just we owe boy we counted [TS]

01:12:43   that we count down the weekend of the [TS]

01:12:45   mutants too many mutants we got get rid [TS]

01:12:47   of Phobos bonus mutants that we didn't [TS]

01:12:50   need this Merlin let me let me ask you [TS]

01:12:55   did at how how how recently did you read [TS]

01:13:00   decimation I i know i haven't finished [TS]

01:13:03   it i never got the whole thing so so [TS]

01:13:07   some of them is worth reading [TS]

01:13:09   just because it's crazy-- totally [TS]

01:13:12   totally nuts they they did a like it's [TS]

01:13:16   basically all tie-ins with a couple [TS]

01:13:19   short [TS]

01:13:19   tons of new x-men and we'll forget all [TS]

01:13:21   like spectral like what's happened as a [TS]

01:13:23   result the consequences right the best [TS]

01:13:26   one though is the x-men the 198 series [TS]

01:13:29   of them there's five of them and it [TS]

01:13:32   looks at what's happening with these [TS]

01:13:34   hundred ninety-eight mutants that are [TS]

01:13:36   left and spoiler alert it's not the [TS]

01:13:41   number isn't a hundred ninety-eight for [TS]

01:13:42   very long right now and it doesn't go in [TS]

01:13:45   the positive direction it's like son of [TS]

01:13:47   divide that number here some of them [TS]

01:13:49   some of them is totally crazy and as [TS]

01:13:51   Quicksilver stealing crystals from chris [TS]

01:13:54   told friends like little crystals [TS]

01:13:56   yeah from Black Bolt and all the [TS]

01:13:57   Inhumans and he makes all the Inhumans [TS]

01:13:59   very angry and that i would i would not [TS]

01:14:01   still just as a tip is up and perfect [TS]

01:14:03   guru i would not steal stuff from Black [TS]

01:14:05   Bolt he doesn't even have the talk he if [TS]

01:14:09   you whispers he'll kill you [TS]

01:14:10   yeah he does that he does that in a [TS]

01:14:12   meeting that she does that in one of the [TS]

01:14:13   business meetings instead of the end of [TS]

01:14:16   the meeting no listen I understand I [TS]

01:14:18   understand shooting over mr. bolt if you [TS]

01:14:20   speak will die but i like your feedback [TS]

01:14:23   the the part of the decimation series of [TS]

01:14:26   crossovers and all that stuff that I [TS]

01:14:27   didn't expect to like that i actually [TS]

01:14:29   kinda did with Sentinel squad one where [TS]

01:14:32   this government-backed initiative comes [TS]

01:14:35   together where they have humans piloting [TS]

01:14:37   sentinels and the people that they [TS]

01:14:39   recruit for that inevitably one of them [TS]

01:14:41   happens to be a mutant and nobody knows [TS]

01:14:43   he's a mutant for a little while and its [TS]

01:14:45   sights [TS]

01:14:46   it's pretty good you know what I spent [TS]

01:14:47   three dollars apiece on them know what I [TS]

01:14:49   spent five bucks for all five of them [TS]

01:14:51   yeah and that's that that's that's the i [TS]

01:14:55   would say the the quality of of of what [TS]

01:14:57   you're looking at what the destination [TS]

01:14:58   stuff that's outside of the core you [TS]

01:15:01   know new x-men 20 or whatever the stuff [TS]

01:15:05   that i thought was a lot more valuable [TS]

01:15:06   really was the Messiah trilogy that came [TS]

01:15:08   after this the x series of titles which [TS]

01:15:11   I know Merlin e he almost has burning [TS]

01:15:14   religious fervor for this I think the [TS]

01:15:17   thing that I like about this as with [TS]

01:15:19   Avengers disassembled i think i have in [TS]

01:15:23   my little bit of sampling of different [TS]

01:15:26   events it does sometimes feel I used to [TS]

01:15:30   say that pearl jam sound like the result [TS]

01:15:32   of a board meeting [TS]

01:15:32   and sometimes I feel like there are [TS]

01:15:34   events in various you know comic things [TS]

01:15:38   where it really feels like well you know [TS]

01:15:40   a jason you never were joking before we [TS]

01:15:44   started taping as you say about how like [TS]

01:15:48   you know the the interface we're talking [TS]

01:15:50   about circuits to talk about the [TS]

01:15:51   interface on you know car stereo are so [TS]

01:15:53   terrible they are and it sometimes feels [TS]

01:15:56   like you know I seem to end this on [TS]

01:15:58   tumblr talking about like when they have [TS]

01:15:59   these like big offsites to talk about [TS]

01:16:00   the big events and sometimes it really [TS]

01:16:02   feels like somebody at some high-level [TS]

01:16:05   is intervening to just start making this [TS]

01:16:09   really want a little soup of ingredients [TS]

01:16:13   that we happen to have a lot of we know [TS]

01:16:14   people like well you know like I like [TS]

01:16:17   garlic and I like ginger and I like [TS]

01:16:20   cilantro but just because lots of people [TS]

01:16:21   like them does not mean i want that to [TS]

01:16:23   be to put the primary flavor profile of [TS]

01:16:26   the soup and in a few of these and [TS]

01:16:29   actually just nailed three of them for [TS]

01:16:30   me [TS]

01:16:31   and again I'm new to this like I'm not [TS]

01:16:32   smart like you guys will have known this [TS]

01:16:34   stuff for a while but for me i [TS]

01:16:36   disassembled and house of them and the [TS]

01:16:39   Messiah stuff really resonated with me [TS]

01:16:41   for a reason for the same reason that I [TS]

01:16:44   like the x-men really this there's two [TS]

01:16:46   reasons at the part of it where I like [TS]

01:16:48   the x-men I think I mean I like the fact [TS]

01:16:51   that they that they're not just strong [TS]

01:16:56   you know that they've got the kind of [TS]

01:16:58   have to fight together because they have [TS]

01:17:00   to support each other and their kind of [TS]

01:17:03   fighting for their lives but they're [TS]

01:17:04   also fighting for their ability to live [TS]

01:17:07   there fighting for their lives because [TS]

01:17:08   people out there like Trask or striker [TS]

01:17:11   are out to get them but there but [TS]

01:17:14   they're also fighting for their their [TS]

01:17:16   right to stay alive because everybody [TS]

01:17:18   thinks they're dangerous and so I like [TS]

01:17:20   individual characters like unlike [TS]

01:17:21   practically everybody I like moonlight [TS]

01:17:23   the Bennett's believe the businessman [TS]

01:17:25   own mark let me take you to get cancer [TS]

01:17:28   and I love moon night and dazzler hi [TS]

01:17:30   there I said it [TS]

01:17:32   alright well anyone meet halfway and [TS]

01:17:35   your kitchen when you go to your pitch [TS]

01:17:37   meeting you cannot buy you have about [TS]

01:17:38   happens it'll be one of my pictures of [TS]

01:17:39   moon night counselor [TS]

01:17:40   yeah oh well yeah but like because [TS]

01:17:42   because they both come out at night and [TS]

01:17:44   they said the night a ablaze with ways [TS]

01:17:46   to come out [TS]

01:17:46   goodnight moon night and dazzling huh [TS]

01:17:49   but you know I this sounds corny but [TS]

01:17:51   like this is why this resonates with me [TS]

01:17:53   emotionally it's why I'm not dead inside [TS]

01:17:55   about the mechanics of comics and [TS]

01:17:57   whether they costume later 399 God love [TS]

01:18:00   you [TS]

01:18:00   is that like when the story works it's [TS]

01:18:03   because there's a bunch of people where [TS]

01:18:04   we care about what happens to them and [TS]

01:18:06   we care about the relationships and and [TS]

01:18:08   that's why the x-men resonate for me and [TS]

01:18:10   in the same way that like giant-size [TS]

01:18:11   x-men is in no way a perfect comic [TS]

01:18:15   there's a lot about it that's like not [TS]

01:18:16   nearly as good as what would come in the [TS]

01:18:18   next seven years of the x-men but like [TS]

01:18:21   the idea of taking these people who have [TS]

01:18:23   so little in common like you know they [TS]

01:18:26   have to be there from different [TS]

01:18:27   countries have different powers they [TS]

01:18:29   don't get along a couple of get kicked [TS]

01:18:30   off like you know it's just it'sit's but [TS]

01:18:33   but I'm always intrigued by the fact of [TS]

01:18:35   like what we care about what happens to [TS]

01:18:37   these people and that that's why we [TS]

01:18:39   stick with them and their relationships [TS]

01:18:41   matter because they have to work [TS]

01:18:42   together to get out of these things and [TS]

01:18:44   so to me I one of these giant events or [TS]

01:18:47   story arcs or whatever it works if and [TS]

01:18:49   when we care about the stakes for those [TS]

01:18:52   people and we care about like any story [TS]

01:18:56   we here we care about like what is the [TS]

01:18:58   story a story at the heart of it is [TS]

01:18:59   somebody is challenged by something that [TS]

01:19:01   should be nearly impossible problem and [TS]

01:19:04   we see how they handle it [TS]

01:19:05   it's not whether they succeed or fail we [TS]

01:19:06   we care about how they handle it and in [TS]

01:19:08   this case I think about that bit and [TS]

01:19:11   probably the second or third issue where [TS]

01:19:13   the shield the red the Red Guard people [TS]

01:19:16   get d powered and you see that double [TS]

01:19:18   page spread of like comforting your [TS]

01:19:20   friends and going to believe me like I [TS]

01:19:22   know I had the same thing happen like a [TS]

01:19:24   day ago and that's that's why this works [TS]

01:19:26   for me is because it really it's about [TS]

01:19:27   like so much stuff in comics it's about [TS]

01:19:30   our own likes our fears and our [TS]

01:19:31   aspirations in our sense of like who we [TS]

01:19:33   are and then our friends our sense of [TS]

01:19:35   what our friends can do to help us get [TS]

01:19:37   through those kinds of struggles so it [TS]

01:19:39   sounds silly talking about a comment but [TS]

01:19:40   that's why this work for me and it's why [TS]

01:19:42   anytime I see something with scrolls on [TS]

01:19:44   it I think okay that could be good but [TS]

01:19:47   in this case this has had a lot of [TS]

01:19:48   breathing room a lot of headroom to get [TS]

01:19:50   into like the interior world of these [TS]

01:19:54   people we care about and their [TS]

01:19:55   relationships as far as what happened [TS]

01:19:58   next like you know maybe I'm in the [TS]

01:19:59   minority I like [TS]

01:20:00   Marvel now I like AVX I thought ABX was [TS]

01:20:02   really really fun I thought consequences [TS]

01:20:04   was arguably better than AVX itself but [TS]

01:20:07   you know if it leads to more interesting [TS]

01:20:10   stories it's good if it leads to more [TS]

01:20:12   reasons to make a different kind of toy [TS]

01:20:14   or a million other tions I'm not so into [TS]

01:20:18   it but um I I thought it was successful [TS]

01:20:21   and I I hadn't thought that much about [TS]

01:20:24   what [TS]

01:20:25   no more meetings really really really [TS]

01:20:27   means as much as you guys but I do know [TS]

01:20:29   that when Emma goes in there and straps [TS]

01:20:31   on a little hat and sees that I found it [TS]

01:20:34   very moving to go like they're these [TS]

01:20:37   people who are part of our extended [TS]

01:20:39   family that we don't even know are in [TS]

01:20:41   our family and other gone and will never [TS]

01:20:43   find them we had this way to find them [TS]

01:20:45   and now it's gone and we set up [TS]

01:20:47   ourselves as the as the people who are [TS]

01:20:49   going to take care of all these people [TS]

01:20:50   and they're gone and maybe their email [TS]

01:20:53   that and maybe there may be there every [TS]

01:20:55   day Scott right some of them are ok but [TS]

01:20:57   maybe some of them are okay and they're [TS]

01:20:58   just different in the blob has like [TS]

01:21:00   folds of skin is normal size now but uh [TS]

01:21:03   but the fact is what do we do right you [TS]

01:21:05   know we are why we hear that there's the [TS]

01:21:07   it's like we're sending the kids home [TS]

01:21:09   from school because they don't need to [TS]

01:21:11   be here anymore [TS]

01:21:12   some of them want to stay but what do we [TS]

01:21:14   do it's not accredited educational [TS]

01:21:16   institution right now and we we find out [TS]

01:21:19   we find out later what what's going on [TS]

01:21:21   with the professor but one giant giant [TS]

01:21:23   not making a plot hole that one giant [TS]

01:21:25   unresolved thing weirdly I have to say [TS]

01:21:28   we're the unresolved thing at the end of [TS]

01:21:29   eight is where is Professor X i know we [TS]

01:21:32   blew it later there's the fuckin guy but [TS]

01:21:34   but you know he is like Scott is always [TS]

01:21:37   kind of leader except when you know if [TS]

01:21:40   professor X's and around like what's [TS]

01:21:42   happening you know [TS]

01:21:43   so anyway but that's that's the good [TS]

01:21:45   thing about this i mean you know and [TS]

01:21:48   I've talked about this before I think we [TS]

01:21:49   talked about a lot on the on the podcast [TS]

01:21:51   to is that in the end you know comic [TS]

01:21:53   readers especially can get really [TS]

01:21:55   obsessed with with continuity right [TS]

01:21:57   continuity is very important and and it [TS]

01:21:59   can be you know it's part of the fun of [TS]

01:22:02   it is knowing about the continuity [TS]

01:22:03   that's fine but in the end it's about [TS]

01:22:05   it's about good stories and it's about [TS]

01:22:07   characters and it's about seeing them [TS]

01:22:09   you know seeing characters that you know [TS]

01:22:12   beach [TS]

01:22:13   true to themselves and we put an [TS]

01:22:14   interesting situations and it's not [TS]

01:22:16   about the kind of outrageous aspects of [TS]

01:22:19   it or about something that will change [TS]

01:22:21   continuity forever it really is about [TS]

01:22:22   telling good stories and that's to your [TS]

01:22:24   point about about if it's about selling [TS]

01:22:27   toys [TS]

01:22:28   it's not really that exciting but if [TS]

01:22:29   it's about seeing these people that you [TS]

01:22:31   know and maybe have grown up with these [TS]

01:22:34   characters it put interesting situations [TS]

01:22:36   and how they react and that's what was [TS]

01:22:38   affecting for me about house of em was [TS]

01:22:40   seeing those characters putting this [TS]

01:22:42   really amazing strange situation and [TS]

01:22:44   then discovering that all sham even if [TS]

01:22:46   it was a comfortable sham and how they [TS]

01:22:48   deal with that and that that's the stuff [TS]

01:22:50   that I remember there was a there's a [TS]

01:22:52   great quote about about acting that came [TS]

01:22:54   across a long time ago [TS]

01:22:55   I'm just never forgotten it was either [TS]

01:22:57   this actor said that a bad actor hit his [TS]

01:23:00   idea of a dream role involves a scene in [TS]

01:23:03   which he sees his only child hit by a [TS]

01:23:06   car and cradles is dying form and curses [TS]

01:23:09   God in the middle of the street that's [TS]

01:23:11   what a bad actor wants what a great [TS]

01:23:13   actor wants is five minutes which he [TS]

01:23:15   just eats soup because he knows that he [TS]

01:23:17   knows that he knows that he can explain [TS]

01:23:19   everything there is to know about a [TS]

01:23:21   character through the most subtle and [TS]

01:23:23   quiet interchange and that he doesn't [TS]

01:23:25   need that kind of that kind of flash and [TS]

01:23:29   I thought that you think that the case i [TS]

01:23:31   think i think you you are right about [TS]

01:23:32   that that's what the with all the things [TS]

01:23:34   I really like about House of M have [TS]

01:23:36   nothing to do with trying to figure out [TS]

01:23:38   trying to figure out why is this person [TS]

01:23:42   in this situation but that person not in [TS]

01:23:45   this situation [TS]

01:23:47   why is this going to keep in continuity [TS]

01:23:49   and why is this where did this get [TS]

01:23:51   broken [TS]

01:23:52   it really is the minor ideas of white [TS]

01:23:54   here's their so here's a relationship [TS]

01:23:56   between Magneto and his kids the worst I [TS]

01:23:59   mean unique ye you gotta get you gotta [TS]

01:24:02   go deep deep catalog into like Motown [TS]

01:24:05   singing legends before you find a worse [TS]

01:24:08   parent child relationship then Magneto [TS]

01:24:11   and scan as kids we keep we keep on that [TS]

01:24:14   we keep on going and we could go on [TS]

01:24:16   forever but i already posted a [TS]

01:24:17   three-and-a-half hour long episode [TS]

01:24:20   recently so I don't want to do that [TS]

01:24:21   again we're going to we're going to call [TS]

01:24:22   it quits for now right here but I i am [TS]

01:24:25   hoping that all of my guess [TS]

01:24:27   we'll come back in the in it and a [TS]

01:24:28   future time to talk about comic books [TS]

01:24:30   and more Lisa Schmeisser thank you very [TS]

01:24:33   much for being here again [TS]

01:24:34   Thank You Joyce s2 jaan thank you thank [TS]

01:24:38   you for him and you not go thanks as [TS]

01:24:40   always it's been a slice and Merlin man [TS]

01:24:43   will you come back sometime if you happy [TS]

01:24:45   thank you for happiness is that this [TS]

01:24:46   will have room for a year this has been [TS]

01:24:48   a fantasy so thank you for having you [TS]

01:24:49   guys appreciate it [TS]

01:24:50   now it's science fiction delightful so [TS]

01:24:52   until the next edition of the [TS]

01:24:54   incomparable I'd like to thank everyone [TS]

01:24:55   out there for listening i'm your host [TS]

01:24:56   Jason L will see you next time [TS]

01:25:14   I can't believe what I just heard [TS]

01:25:15   Merlin's and invited back [TS]

01:25:18   there's not a recording of this anywhere [TS]

01:25:20   is there no more incomparable I'm [TS]

01:25:24   literally so angry I literally so that [TS]

01:25:28   was good model in there that was my [TS]

01:25:29   Maryland you've never heard anything [TS]

01:25:31   I've done [TS]

01:25:31   merly he's trying to take your powers [TS]

01:25:33   are you reading me here Rogan me [TS]

01:25:36   samp [TS]