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Top Four 35: Pies 🥧


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00:00:40   about pi not on pi day not it's not pi

00:00:43   day which i think is kind of BS e yeah I

00:00:47   don't want to pile on the pi day right

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00:00:56   anyway so yeah we're gonna talk about

00:00:59   pies because this is the pie season it's

00:01:02   really in his pies I mean you can make

00:01:05   pies pretty much any time you want but

00:01:07   it does feel like they are you know

00:01:09   along with other indulgent and dessert

00:01:11   foods it seems like pies are seemingly

00:01:14   more permitted and more socially

00:01:17   acceptable and and for some reason you

00:01:18   consider them like oh I have to ignore

00:01:20   all health and reasonability for this

00:01:23   month or whatever piece of pie right

00:01:26   exactly and pie for breakfast after you

00:01:28   know because you eat leftover pie

00:01:29   obviously and but I always find it

00:01:31   strange that holiday season is for pies

00:01:33   but most fruit pies are best in the

00:01:37   summertime because you have the fruit

00:01:40   available yeah that is kind of weird

00:01:42   isn't it right but like you I think of

00:01:44   pie like making pie for the holiday but

00:01:46   I guess like you make apple pie and

00:01:47   pumpkin pie and like holiday pie anyway

00:01:52   so yeah we're talking about pies we're

00:01:54   go we're not eating them right now we

00:01:57   don't have 14 pies in front of us that

00:01:59   we're gonna taste we're gonna test all

00:02:00   these pies actually but for one of these

00:02:03   it's kind of oh but one of your

00:02:05   birthday's I had that key lime pie party

00:02:07   yeah and we have all different key lime

00:02:09   pies and if anyone was like what should

00:02:11   I bring I'm like bring a key lime pie

00:02:13   and so we had a lot of different key

00:02:15   lime pies to try that was awesome that

00:02:19   was a really fun party I like a good

00:02:20   theme yeah can I say

00:02:23   turns out my key lime pie was the best

00:02:26   pie who knew who knew we knew Arthur

00:02:28   Arthur knew anyway so I thought it was

00:02:34   actually I had some trouble deciding

00:02:36   what counts as a pie so everything

00:02:39   counts as a pie that's kind of yeah

00:02:40   that's I was gonna lean towards a more

00:02:42   permissive attitude here well that's

00:02:43   what wikipedia says you should see some

00:02:45   of the things they were counting

00:02:46   empanadas as pies wells okay so if you

00:02:49   go into finishin it's like a hand pie

00:02:51   suggestions like I think the British

00:02:53   definition of pie is much more broad

00:02:55   than the American definition of pie no

00:02:58   because we call those things hand pies

00:03:00   also sort of but if you ask most

00:03:04   Americans yeah I think most Americans

00:03:06   don't know what mincemeat pies or hand

00:03:08   pies are are you kidding anyone who is a

00:03:10   relative of an immigrant of some sort

00:03:13   has definitely heard of various I guess

00:03:15   that fringe pies you would say because I

00:03:19   don't know my grandpa is made meat pies

00:03:21   yeah they were like Italian meat pies

00:03:24   they waited thirty forty pounds I don't

00:03:26   know yeah you just like put like a whole

00:03:29   bunch of entire animals in a tray yeah

00:03:32   and like but all the salted meat animals

00:03:34   from the Italian you know butcher shop

00:03:37   so you have various salted meat log

00:03:40   animals that go in there exactly but

00:03:45   yeah he made those things that's like a

00:03:46   meat pie yeah yep all right I guess we

00:03:50   should dive into this we should so do

00:03:52   you have any honorable mentions I do

00:03:54   actually I have two okay

00:03:55   I do too all right well but it's a whole

00:03:58   category well that's fair because yeah

00:04:00   III think the definition of pie here is

00:04:03   so broad and and on that note my first

00:04:05   honor mention is chicken pot pie whoa

00:04:08   honorable mention yeah because if I want

00:04:12   pie chances are I don't want chicken pot

00:04:14   pie however I do want chicken pot pie

00:04:16   well if you want dessert you don't want

00:04:18   that however can you just buy again

00:04:20   because I really like that when you save

00:04:22   up chicken pot pie is really good

00:04:27   the best day yes I love my needs I don't

00:04:30   know why I think that the word potpies

00:04:32   and Marco refuses to say it for me I

00:04:36   don't know why because he's holding yeah

00:04:38   because you care so much about this one

00:04:39   weird word for some reason anyway say it

00:04:41   so I think chicken pot pies are amazing

00:04:44   I we've had a couple other kinds of pot

00:04:47   pies but none of them are as good I

00:04:48   think if you're going to talk about pot

00:04:49   pies chicken pot pies or the pot pies to

00:04:51   be pot pies so like that's day

00:04:55   those are great and they definitely

00:04:57   deserve a list a spot in any pie list

00:05:00   even though they are not desserts and

00:05:02   when Americans think pie they think

00:05:03   dessert but I think you can't you can't

00:05:06   ignore the wonderful wonderful

00:05:07   everything about chicken pot pie chicken

00:05:10   pot pie is my number two I'm so sorry I

00:05:15   was so worried that you would get mad

00:05:16   that I included it yeah it's a pie it's

00:05:19   it's pot pie like it's a pie it looks

00:05:23   like a pie it tastes like a pie it has

00:05:24   crust that's made exactly the same as a

00:05:26   sweet pie and we didn't say this is like

00:05:28   top for sweet pies top for savory pies

00:05:31   top for pies like period like three

00:05:33   point one four point three point period

00:05:36   that's how most decimals have two

00:05:40   periods alright so what is your first

00:05:43   honorable mention my honorable mention I

00:05:45   only have one it's a whole category it

00:05:47   is the quiche that's why you know I

00:05:49   didn't think about quiches it is kind of

00:05:51   like an egg pie right yeah I crust right

00:05:54   and it has there are other various

00:05:56   breakfast tea egg concoctions that do

00:05:59   not have a crust and I would not

00:06:01   consider those pies but a quiche is on

00:06:03   is on the border and we have a table is

00:06:06   not a pie frittata in the rest yeah so

00:06:08   the only reason that quiche is a

00:06:11   honorable mention and not on the list is

00:06:13   because it doesn't have pie in the name

00:06:14   like a pot pie so I felt a little bit

00:06:17   strange putting it into my pie top for

00:06:20   well but I think if you look at the

00:06:23   construction in the ingredient I mean

00:06:24   they're like the ingredients are not

00:06:26   that different from like a custard pie

00:06:28   you have milk cream butter and some

00:06:31   flavoring things in it like that's

00:06:34   cheese the eggs and eggs do yeah and

00:06:36   like so you have eggs yeah yes but like

00:06:38   that that's many of the same ingredient

00:06:41   as a custard pie that you know

00:06:43   differently prepared and differently

00:06:45   seasoned probably and with different

00:06:46   flavor profiles that you're going for

00:06:48   but a quiche is like a well-made quiche

00:06:50   is I would I would call that a pie by

00:06:53   any reasonable definition quiche is one

00:06:55   of my favorite breakfasts or meals in

00:06:57   general I just love a good quiche it's

00:06:59   quite good carmelize onion

00:07:02   oh yeah yeah what goat cheese that's a

00:07:04   very subtle pick mm-hmm all right my my

00:07:07   other on would mention is oreo

00:07:11   cheesecake wait is cheesecake up hi-c I

00:07:15   thought about this but I think I don't

00:07:17   think no I don't think cheesecakes or

00:07:19   pies well so why not I'm curious okay

00:07:21   cuz it doesn't have a crust her toes

00:07:24   no it doesn't it doesn't have that kind

00:07:27   of crust it doesn't have like a I've

00:07:28   constructed this crust it's like crumbly

00:07:31   cookie crust that is packed down it's

00:07:33   not up the sides usually you're right it

00:07:36   isn't usually up the sides however I

00:07:38   would say that the that the crust being

00:07:40   packed down made of like crumbly stuff

00:07:42   there's lots of pies where they have

00:07:44   graham crackers or Oreos as as a crushed

00:07:47   down crust like I don't think it needs

00:07:48   to be a baked pastry crust for it to

00:07:50   count as a pie but a graham cracker

00:07:51   crust is a baked pastry crust if you do

00:07:53   it right well you can actually bake the

00:07:55   graham cracker well but and and

00:07:57   cheesecakes can have that too and

00:07:59   sometimes do but riddle me this mm-hmm a

00:08:02   cheesecake it's more of a the crust is

00:08:05   more of a layer of the Cheesecake that's

00:08:08   true and also the name says cake

00:08:12   well quiche doesn't say pie but we

00:08:13   classified it as well that's why it's an

00:08:15   honorable mention and this is not

00:08:16   mention make it all the way I need just

00:08:19   want to make sure that you don't have

00:08:21   any cheesecake sneaking into your top

00:08:23   four pies because I do not think that

00:08:25   cheesecake is a pie I don't have any

00:08:27   cheesecake in my top four but that's

00:08:29   only because I don't like them that much

00:08:30   I like them a little bit now there are

00:08:33   cheese pies I'm aware of and they're

00:08:35   very different than a cheesecake so you

00:08:39   are allowed to pick cheese pie yes you

00:08:42   are not allowed to pick cheesecake

00:08:44   because I only in classify this as an

00:08:46   honorable mention I'm gonna let you have

00:08:47   this one but I think the the actual

00:08:49   difference between many types of pies

00:08:52   and cheesecakes is not that big

00:08:55   a difference to the point where I think

00:08:56   cheesecakes should be classified as pies

00:08:59   even though the rest of the world will

00:09:01   you know we'll get you down for that

00:09:03   similar to how Tomatoes are clearly

00:09:06   fruits even though the entire world says

00:09:09   they're vegetables they are by most

00:09:11   reasonable metrics fruits yes of course

00:09:15   so you don't taste delicious like fruit

00:09:18   tastes delicious

00:09:19   they're pretty good and yeah but it's

00:09:21   biting into a tomato that's that's rough

00:09:25   if it's a bad tomato just like like a

00:09:28   picket hold a good tomato like an apple

00:09:30   all right and not to mention anyway all

00:09:39   right I just need to I need you to say

00:09:41   this what these cakes are not pies I

00:09:44   refuse to agree to this Tim and I will

00:09:46   also further derail the conversation by

00:09:48   saying within the category of

00:09:49   cheesecakes oreo cheesecake is the best

00:09:51   cheesecake and that includes both the

00:09:53   oreo bits that are throughout the white

00:09:55   cheesecake and also the crumbled Oreo

00:09:58   crust on the bottom see now are you

00:10:00   talking New York cheesecake or are you

00:10:01   talking like Italian cheesecake which I

00:10:04   which is which I don't really know I I'm

00:10:06   calling an Italian because it's made

00:10:07   with like the I don't want to say this

00:10:10   name of this cheese gotta no matter how

00:10:13   I say it someone hates it yes the games

00:10:16   that we will so we will call ricotta if

00:10:18   you have a problem with how to pronounce

00:10:19   we apologize we know that many people

00:10:21   have problems with how this is

00:10:22   pronounced however you all can't agree

00:10:24   on how it should be pronounced so we're

00:10:26   gonna go with the one that everyone can

00:10:27   recognize and that is simply saying

00:10:29   ricotta even though we are so sorry but

00:10:31   I cut that yes something like that this

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00:13:02   number four it's pie time you want to go

00:13:04   first or shall I do you want to do you

00:13:06   want to finish last go for now okay

00:13:10   now I'm second-guessing right I wonder

00:13:14   how many times they say that oh if you

00:13:17   actually think that quiche might be pie

00:13:19   I would it look if chicken pot pie

00:13:21   counts

00:13:22   then I think he should count because

00:13:24   neither of them are our dessert pies

00:13:26   they're both savory meal pies but if

00:13:29   that is you know it's up to you which

00:13:32   would you rather have would you rather

00:13:33   have quiche or chicken pot pie or the

00:13:37   other pies re-enlist my number four that

00:13:40   I wrote down is peach raspberry that's

00:13:44   it yeah because you made that ya choice

00:13:46   right yeah I make peach raspberry pie

00:13:48   in the end of the summer like when

00:13:50   peaches are really good and I like the

00:13:53   little bit of raspberry because it

00:13:54   brings the tart into the peaches and

00:13:57   it's really nice do you don't not a lot

00:13:59   of raspberry just a little bit yeah and

00:14:00   I really like peach pie because you can

00:14:03   like sweat the peaches and get the

00:14:04   juices really goopy and make it kind of

00:14:07   like a a peach simple syrup and then

00:14:09   pour it back into the pie so you don't

00:14:11   have a lot of water because if you do

00:14:12   that if you don't do that then you have

00:14:14   like a pretty watery pie but yeah I

00:14:18   really like the peach raspberry pie that

00:14:20   I make lattice top for that one it's

00:14:23   it's you construct it very similarly it

00:14:25   appears as an apple pie yeah I'm also

00:14:28   going off of pies I like to make mmm

00:14:30   yeah and by the way behind this isoh but

00:14:33   I will TIF is really freaking good at

00:14:35   making pies like freakishly so

00:14:37   especially the cool the kind with all

00:14:38   the cool crust work like apple pie with

00:14:40   Lilith lattice top and everything so

00:14:42   that's that definitely plays in here I

00:14:44   think you should be you're really

00:14:46   freaking good at pies and it's a great

00:14:48   because then I get pie and I get good

00:14:50   pie it's fantastic so I really like

00:14:53   peach raspberry pie I think that that

00:14:54   would be my number4 but if quiche counts

00:14:57   I might bump peach raspberry to my

00:14:59   honorable mention and bump up quiche but

00:15:02   again it depends on the meal so I don't

00:15:03   know like what they're tied fair enough

00:15:08   yep it wouldn't be topped for if we had

00:15:11   a top four yes honestly I don't like

00:15:14   most fruit pies yeah actually I had a

00:15:16   hard time coming up with four total

00:15:19   actually because you know I was looking

00:15:22   I I can't believe looking online to see

00:15:23   like you know a list of you know

00:15:24   America's favorite pies whatever just to

00:15:26   see like am I forgetting anything am I

00:15:28   missing anything and and there actually

00:15:30   were not that many that I really had in

00:15:32   contention here yeah there's like I

00:15:34   don't really care for blueberry pie

00:15:35   honestly

00:15:36   because I don't like blueberries that

00:15:39   strongly I find cherry pie to be too

00:15:41   sweet most of the time I do not care for

00:15:45   I don't know what else is there there's

00:15:49   like so many other things every rhubarb

00:15:51   is a popular one here for strawberries

00:15:54   that much I came to that realization

00:15:56   pretty recently yeah I felt like you're

00:16:00   supposed to like strawberries for so

00:16:01   long and I was just so indifferent about

00:16:03   them and now I think I'm done I'm done

00:16:06   with the lies I think not liking

00:16:08   strawberries is kind of like not liking

00:16:10   vanilla like in the sense that like

00:16:12   there are people out there who don't

00:16:14   like vanilla but there aren't that many

00:16:15   strawberry I'm like cry about it right

00:16:18   but like the whole world kind of assumes

00:16:20   that certain flavors are universally

00:16:22   liked vanilla is one of them and I think

00:16:23   strawberry is one of them too I think

00:16:24   pretty much everyone assumes that

00:16:25   everyone likes strawberry yeah but if

00:16:27   you don't like and I like it so I've

00:16:29   never felt this but if you don't like

00:16:30   strawberry it's probably really hard for

00:16:32   you how do you how does it make you feel

00:16:34   I don't know the texture is a little off

00:16:36   I prefer raspberries over strawberries

00:16:38   any day definitely pick a raspberry or a

00:16:40   strawberry I find I I do like the flavor

00:16:43   of rhubarb but I don't like the texture

00:16:46   of rhubarb so it's really iffy if you're

00:16:49   gonna get a good rhubarb pie or not

00:16:50   because if they don't properly cook the

00:16:53   rhubarb or treat it beforehand it I

00:16:56   don't know how to do it I've never made

00:16:58   a rhubarb pie but I know it's just too

00:17:01   iffy to even put in the effort

00:17:03   so what also like oh they're you know

00:17:05   making a pie is a good amount of work

00:17:07   because it cuz the way you make it you

00:17:08   make the crust from scratch you you know

00:17:10   easy part well for you anyway so the

00:17:15   point I bet if most people tried to make

00:17:17   a pie crust with someone who knows how

00:17:19   to make pie crust they would see that it

00:17:21   literally takes ten minutes don't want

00:17:23   the motor built yeah don't let the

00:17:24   butter melt but like there's tiny little

00:17:26   techniques to learn and as long as you

00:17:29   make it with someone who's already made

00:17:30   it you will see it only takes ten

00:17:32   minutes it has like three ingredients

00:17:33   and you are done and you have pie crust

00:17:36   and it's awesome and there's no need to

00:17:38   buy pie crust from the store anymore

00:17:40   because you almost always have the

00:17:42   ingredients for pie crust is just like

00:17:44   butter flour and water right and so yeah

00:17:47   unless you're doing for like

00:17:50   more complicated crust that has like you

00:17:52   know some cream cheese or something in

00:17:54   it for some reason but you don't have to

00:17:56   there's lots of things Oh God baking so

00:17:59   fun I love how much fun you have baking

00:18:02   that way I have all those fun stuff to

00:18:04   taste all right well what's your number

00:18:06   four

00:18:06   all right we're talking about for worst

00:18:08   pies my number four you were going to

00:18:11   despise this pick but fortunately it's

00:18:13   not cheesecake it is cherry cheese pie

00:18:16   well that's fine it's disgusting but

00:18:19   it's still a pie so cherry this this is

00:18:22   a staple of mine growing up so it's a

00:18:24   laughably disgusting that's part of it's

00:18:26   part of the the value for me a

00:18:28   sentimental value but I think it's also

00:18:30   really good it's one of the recipes that

00:18:31   is on the can of sweetened condensed

00:18:34   milk there you go if you buy the

00:18:35   candidate gets eagle brand like the big

00:18:37   brand of sweetened condensed milk it's

00:18:38   like it's on their website it's on some

00:18:40   of their cans I think and it also on the

00:18:43   cherry can maybe cuz that's all father's

00:18:46   yes so you pretty much don't make any of

00:18:49   this it's more than that you assemble

00:18:50   this pie so so you you get a premade

00:18:53   graham cracker crust it has to be a

00:18:55   grandpa crust you know so the pre-made

00:18:56   ones of those and don't bother making a

00:18:58   fresh one to put in these horrible

00:19:00   ingredients into the pie because you

00:19:02   know know know where the filling is

00:19:04   cream cheese sweetened condensed milk

00:19:06   and lemon juice blended together and

00:19:09   then the topping you pour that into the

00:19:12   graham cracker crust and you top it with

00:19:14   a can of those red syrupy cherry

00:19:17   cherries from cherry pie filling it's a

00:19:19   it's literally can of pie filling so

00:19:20   it's just like cherries in a really

00:19:23   thick goopy sugary red sauce is so 70s

00:19:26   it really is and it's really delicious

00:19:28   and like is it it's it really delicious

00:19:31   it really is mm-hmm yeah so cherokees

00:19:34   pie it's very easy you pretty much can't

00:19:36   screw it up and it's it's really you

00:19:39   know it's already screwed up it's really

00:19:41   junky flavors it's all like junk food

00:19:43   and and sugar and everything but it's

00:19:45   delicious and I love it

00:19:46   I don't love it as much as fancier pies

00:19:48   but it's definitely my number four this

00:19:50   is like the time when I was in school

00:19:53   for like first grade or something and my

00:19:55   parents came to open school night and my

00:19:57   mom cooked us beautiful homemade meals

00:20:00   every night it was always something

00:20:02   different she

00:20:03   very much prided herself in having

00:20:06   amazing dinners and being a great mom

00:20:09   when it came to pretty much everything

00:20:12   but when it came to making dinners for

00:20:15   her family and what does her daughter

00:20:18   her firstborn daughter the firstborn

00:20:20   granddaughter of the family put on the

00:20:24   wall of my favorite foods when for a

00:20:27   little interview thing that for open

00:20:29   school night stovetop stuffing stovetop

00:20:32   stuffing was my favorite food I probably

00:20:35   had it once right and my mom was

00:20:39   horrified I don't have ever had so this

00:20:42   is like one of those moments where it's

00:20:44   like you're like please it's not your

00:20:46   number one no it's my number four it

00:20:47   just barely made the list but I do like

00:20:49   it I bake a lot I know and to four of

00:20:54   you only have four choices you have four

00:20:58   slots don't worry the rest is all things

00:21:00   that you either make or can make okay

00:21:03   but still to lose one of the four to

00:21:06   that pie I know it does sting a little

00:21:08   I knew you would be upset about this I

00:21:10   have been okay I had to be honest it's

00:21:12   my number four it's okay

00:21:14   I know it's sentimental value yeah and

00:21:16   it's also just really good it's I mean

00:21:17   it's pure sugar but it's really good

00:21:19   anyway what is your number three apple

00:21:22   pie really okay and simple apple pie and

00:21:26   you and your referring only to the

00:21:28   lattice top four already not the crumble

00:21:30   top right I don't really mind as long as

00:21:31   it's kind of like a brown Betty apple

00:21:33   pie I like a lot of brown sugar and

00:21:34   cinnamon and you know all those little

00:21:36   flavors lately from my mom's recipe of

00:21:39   apple pie that I normally make I've been

00:21:40   adding a little ginger and I've been

00:21:42   really liking that so and when you make

00:21:45   I will pie you have to make it with all

00:21:46   different kinds of apples if you make it

00:21:48   with one kind of apple if you just go to

00:21:50   the store and you buy a bag of apples

00:21:52   you're doing it wrong don't do that by

00:21:55   lots of different apples and have more

00:21:57   green apples than any other variety yeah

00:22:00   slightly more because they they hold up

00:22:02   really well in a pie so yeah my mom's

00:22:05   and my brown Betty apple pie

00:22:08   it's great crumble top or full top or

00:22:11   lattice top that's it to me that is a

00:22:15   different pie is like they are but I

00:22:17   like

00:22:17   all tops of an apple pie that's fair

00:22:20   okay I'll give you that because it can

00:22:22   it can hold all of those different tops

00:22:24   it's okay

00:22:25   and your pie is also excellent because

00:22:26   you you find a way to have the apples

00:22:29   not be too watery like that's often one

00:22:31   of the I think the biggest challenge

00:22:32   when people make apple pies besides

00:22:33   under doing the crust in the middle

00:22:34   which is kind of related is if you have

00:22:36   just if the inside just full of water

00:22:37   yeah I reduce a little bit of the excess

00:22:40   apple liquid if I end up letting them if

00:22:42   I let them sweat for too long so those

00:22:44   of you bakers out there if you are while

00:22:47   you're preparing the crust if the apples

00:22:49   are sitting in the cinnamon and sugar

00:22:50   mixture too long or depending on the

00:22:54   temperature outside or in your kitchen

00:22:55   you the apples will sweat more or less

00:22:58   so if I have a particular day where I'm

00:23:00   making a pie and the apples sweat a lot

00:23:02   and leave behind a lot of liquid I don't

00:23:05   just pour all of that into the pie I

00:23:06   reduce some of it on the stove and kind

00:23:08   of make a little like caramel syrup and

00:23:11   then put that back in the pie but you

00:23:12   don't want to do that too much because

00:23:14   then you'll get a dry pie so it's very

00:23:16   tricky back yeah it's very much a you

00:23:19   have to see the day late on the day what

00:23:22   what it looks like it took you a couple

00:23:23   years to get it right but I think the

00:23:25   last year's I didn't have I brought one

00:23:26   of those I brought a dry pie once when I

00:23:28   just did it too much I know that was not

00:23:30   good yeah the last couple years you've

00:23:32   been pretty pretty silent thanks all

00:23:34   right my number three it's boring but

00:23:36   it's good it is the lemon meringue pie

00:23:38   yeah I actually I had a little bit of a

00:23:41   hesitation when putting this here

00:23:43   whether I wasn't sure whether I wanted

00:23:45   lemon meringue or lemon tart a lemon

00:23:49   tart despite being named tart is clearly

00:23:51   a pie and you know and a lemon meringue

00:23:53   is very good but I have not had a lot of

00:23:57   good meringues I've made a couple that

00:24:00   were great but the actual like having

00:24:03   someone else's pie or having out at a

00:24:05   restaurant oftentimes the meringue part

00:24:07   of lemon meringue pie is just like this

00:24:09   really cheap flimsy foamy stuff that

00:24:11   just falls off and it's it's kind of

00:24:13   taste like plastic like well sometimes

00:24:14   they over meringue it like it they over

00:24:16   whip it and it gets too funny it just

00:24:18   breaks down a little bit and gets

00:24:20   crystallized a little bit yeah it's too

00:24:23   dry sometimes so I didn't have any lemon

00:24:25   on mine cuz I don't know I don't really

00:24:26   like a lemon curd flavor yeah a bit too

00:24:29   strong I really do like I well it's

00:24:31   lemon curd but the the the kind of

00:24:33   filling that's usually the base of a

00:24:34   lemon meringue pie that's usually not

00:24:36   very you know bitter or egg yolky at all

00:24:39   it's pretty it's pretty sugar yeah I

00:24:41   definitely based my picks on consistency

00:24:44   mmm based on where you can get it so

00:24:47   right if I you know for a peach

00:24:50   raspberry I don't really think you could

00:24:52   screw that up most of the time it's just

00:24:55   peach and raspberry and I like those

00:24:56   flavors just as is apple pie I almost

00:24:59   like all apple pies there aren't really

00:25:01   in any apple pie that I would eat and be

00:25:03   like whoo this is terrible who says that

00:25:05   that's fair and the same goes for my

00:25:07   other two picks all right what was your

00:25:09   number three well did you want to finish

00:25:11   talking about your lemon pie oh I mean

00:25:13   yeah just remembering I'm a big fan of

00:25:15   citrus flavors in desserts I really

00:25:18   enjoy them and it's just a really great

00:25:21   pie you know it's it's basically lemon

00:25:22   custard in a crust

00:25:25   the crust is often a little bit bland

00:25:28   because it's usually not a graham

00:25:30   cracker crust ring like that so I that's

00:25:31   one of the reasons didn't ring a little

00:25:32   bit higher for me but and it's hard to

00:25:36   find one that's made well but when it is

00:25:37   made well I love love meringue pie and

00:25:41   honorable mention for this lot

00:25:43   lemon lemon tarts which are basically

00:25:45   just the bottom half of a meringue okay

00:25:47   well tarts are I would definitely

00:25:49   classify tarts as pies they're just

00:25:51   skinny pies yeah yeah exactly

00:25:53   tarts it's a skinny cousin of pies all

00:25:55   right what is your number two

00:25:57   so you can pop by we already Popeye you

00:26:02   have anything any more say in the matter

00:26:04   no love me a pop pie my favorite Popeye

00:26:06   ever is Tania's potpie yeah it's really

00:26:10   good my best friend down the block shout

00:26:11   out to Tania

00:26:12   sometimes she listens I love your Popeye

00:26:15   please make it very soon it has a lot of

00:26:18   time in it it is delicious oh my gosh

00:26:22   she makes the best pot pie she like does

00:26:24   the whole roofing and every ah yeah

00:26:26   every it on all counts it's amazing I'm

00:26:29   dreaming over right now I might just

00:26:30   call her up tomorrow the show first we

00:26:34   just did a show about pies Dania you

00:26:36   need to feed the beast

00:26:38   give me the Popeye Popeye my number two

00:26:42   with a full crust top and bottom

00:26:45   oh yeah of course I mean you can't have

00:26:46   any like I don't I don't know understand

00:26:48   those pot those pot pies that only have

00:26:50   like the crusts on top it's like no no

00:26:52   there's no pot pie

00:26:54   go full pot pie no if the crust is only

00:26:57   on top then you've used made a really

00:26:59   sad version of chicken and biscuits you

00:27:01   have not made Bob I know how flaky pot

00:27:03   pie

00:27:03   alright my number two related to the

00:27:07   lemon meringue category but better in

00:27:08   every way the key lime pie hey you know

00:27:12   the key like key lime you know for me it

00:27:14   doesn't even have to be actually

00:27:15   actually made from key limes key limes

00:27:18   are pretty hard to find

00:27:19   bottled key lime juice is easier but but

00:27:21   it's still not that easy to find so

00:27:23   pretty much any kind of lime custard pie

00:27:25   that now labeled key lime pie this is

00:27:27   where you are wrong no because key lime

00:27:29   pie is my number one okay so you're

00:27:32   gonna you're gonna defend the priority

00:27:33   we're gonna talk about key lying lahiri

00:27:35   laws yeah key lime juice is very

00:27:38   different than lime juice it tastes

00:27:41   different and it looks different if you

00:27:43   make key if you make pie out of lime

00:27:46   it's gonna taste very different than if

00:27:48   you make pie out of key lime now you

00:27:51   don't need for the flecks of lime bits

00:27:56   that go into the pie yeah the zest does

00:27:59   not need to be genuine key limes exam

00:28:01   very hard to find yeah I've only done it

00:28:04   for you like twice once for your key

00:28:06   lime birthday party and I think once

00:28:09   another time that we happen to find key

00:28:11   limes but the juice is important it does

00:28:15   not it cannot be substituted so you are

00:28:19   making lime pie or you were making key

00:28:22   lime pie okay well and there's a bunch

00:28:24   of different variations minor variations

00:28:27   really on how to make it I think one of

00:28:28   the bigger questions is whether it's

00:28:30   cooked or not and then how much it's

00:28:31   cooked these are all I made my number

00:28:34   one because it doesn't matter all key

00:28:36   lime pie is good the frozen lime pie

00:28:38   yeah yep yes

00:28:42   martha stewart's key lime pie super good

00:28:44   there is also I made and in kind of like

00:28:48   an icebox key lime pie with sweetened

00:28:50   condensed milk and like a whipped cream

00:28:53   kind of emulation yeah an assembly pie

00:28:55   and that was very good key lime pie bars

00:28:58   very good there's so many ways to make

00:29:00   key lime pie did you basically have like

00:29:03   graham quadrats key lime custard on top

00:29:05   of a graham cracker crust everything

00:29:07   else is optional some people put a

00:29:08   little bit whipped cream on top

00:29:09   I like a little bit of that to help no

00:29:11   rang on there key lime pie I think

00:29:12   that's wrong I agree and I like lemon

00:29:15   meringue pie

00:29:16   however again I will still eat more

00:29:17   because I like healing pie yeah I will

00:29:21   still I would still eat it too but yeah

00:29:23   meringue has no place on a key lime pie

00:29:25   anyway my number two is key lime pie

00:29:28   made pretty much any way but it has to

00:29:32   have a graham cracker crust it has to be

00:29:34   I guess since you're telling me all this

00:29:35   it has to be made with key lime juice

00:29:37   and ideally with a small dollop of fresh

00:29:40   whipped cream on top

00:29:41   wonderful absolutely love it the colder

00:29:44   the better in the fridge is great and

00:29:45   the freezer is great absolutely love it

00:29:47   yeah I always try to make you key lime

00:29:48   pie for your birthday in July which is

00:29:51   horrible

00:29:53   every time I serve it it just giant blob

00:29:58   of Key Lime just is that everywhere it's

00:30:00   horrible exactly I try I try so hard

00:30:02   all right so number one so your number

00:30:05   one is Key Lime you said key limes that

00:30:07   we're done with your list right yeah no

00:30:10   I just I really love Key Lime Pie you

00:30:14   are the one that introduced me to loving

00:30:16   Key Lime Pie I think before before you I

00:30:19   don't know maybe like six years ago I

00:30:22   would have been like what are you crazy

00:30:24   I don't like that at all I'm

00:30:25   occasionally right but it turns out it's

00:30:28   really good and every time that I've

00:30:30   like had a spoonful of yours when you've

00:30:32   gone for dessert I've loved it and

00:30:34   wished I had it for my dessert and

00:30:36   usually will end up eating half of yours

00:30:38   anyway that's how it works cuz you know

00:30:40   you love me like that mm-hmm that's okay

00:30:42   with you

00:30:42   so yeah it's okie lime Key Lime Pie I

00:30:46   just I've never come across one that I

00:30:50   didn't like so it has to be number one

00:30:52   fair enough

00:30:54   all right my number one is something

00:30:57   that I would be a lot less willing to

00:31:00   share with you that much the New York

00:31:03   style fruit tart oh now I figure about

00:31:07   fruit tarts right and that does count

00:31:09   yes I you figure like if key lime pies

00:31:12   can

00:31:12   yep or and of lemon tarts can't like if

00:31:15   there are so many other things that are

00:31:16   various types of tarts that are in pie

00:31:19   crust that I have a custard filling that

00:31:21   are topped with something sweet that's

00:31:23   what a fruit tart is mm-hmm

00:31:24   and so by all accounts a fruit tart

00:31:26   counts as a pie if all those other

00:31:28   things do and then clearly do especially

00:31:29   like key lime pie is named pie and is

00:31:32   like nobody would ever say key lime pie

00:31:34   is not a pie and if a key lime pie is a

00:31:36   pie then definitely fruit tarts or pies

00:31:37   that's true yeah all right yeah fruit

00:31:39   tarts are pies mm-hmm when I was looking

00:31:41   at lists of pies and everything I

00:31:43   actually didn't for this was one of the

00:31:45   very last things added to my list

00:31:46   because I also was not thinking of it

00:31:48   and I thought well you know I wonder how

00:31:50   many tarts count as pies and I started

00:31:52   looking a list of tarts and that came up

00:31:53   and like oh my god of course that's of

00:31:55   course that's number one yes so I've

00:31:58   seen a lot of different interpretations

00:31:59   of what a fruit tart is so forgive me

00:32:01   listeners I'm going to tell you just in

00:32:03   case you don't know it for those of you

00:32:04   who do know I'm sorry so a fruit tart is

00:32:07   a sweet pastry crust in the crust is a

00:32:11   usually vanilla flavored custard on top

00:32:15   of the custard is fresh pieces of fruit

00:32:18   usually strawberries blueberries and

00:32:19   raspberries or some combination there

00:32:22   may be just two of those sometimes

00:32:23   Keeley yeah sometimes Kiwi or like maybe

00:32:26   a little a little like peach wedge might

00:32:27   be on there sometimes it depends on when

00:32:28   you get it and where but almost always

00:32:30   they're they're mostly berries

00:32:32   blueberries and strawberries and

00:32:33   raspberries seem to be like the main

00:32:35   ones and then on top of the fresh fruit

00:32:39   is a thick glaze made of honey apricot

00:32:43   jam and sugar that is to me the the best

00:32:48   dessert like if I have to just pick like

00:32:50   a one dessert like an half at the end of

00:32:52   a meal like give me like an espresso and

00:32:54   a fruit tart oh my god that's the best

00:32:56   like just I love fruit tarts the only

00:32:58   major downside of fruit tarts is that to

00:33:01   make them really well takes a lot of

00:33:03   work as you know TIFF when you make them

00:33:05   Cornish it takes a lot of work cuz like

00:33:08   you can you can skip a lot of the steps

00:33:10   on pretty much every part of it you can

00:33:12   make uh you can get like premade crust

00:33:14   you can make a really crappy crust you

00:33:15   can get I did and I tried to jello

00:33:18   filling or pudding filling instead of

00:33:19   instead of like making a whole custard

00:33:21   after making it the hard way I tried

00:33:23   making it an easy way and they

00:33:26   not as good yeah and they're still good

00:33:28   but mamatha difference between good and

00:33:31   great for fruit tarts and the great ones

00:33:34   do take way more effort because you do

00:33:36   have to make the custard from scratch

00:33:37   when you're like and you're like

00:33:38   scratching out the vanilla bean

00:33:40   and and like pushing the custard through

00:33:43   the through the sieve thing it kind of

00:33:47   does feel pretty awesome going through

00:33:49   all the steps like you kind of like a

00:33:51   mad scientist yeah and making the glaze

00:33:54   is not easy usually I make the glaze for

00:33:57   us and I've it is surprisingly difficult

00:34:00   to get that apricot glaze to be the

00:34:02   correct consistency and flavor the

00:34:05   spoiler you have to strain it and

00:34:07   secondly you you have to use a lot of

00:34:09   simple syrup in it as well not like only

00:34:11   use a little bit of apricot jelly and

00:34:13   most of it is simple syrup and maybe

00:34:15   honey if you go that way but anyway when

00:34:18   fruit tarts are made well they are

00:34:20   wonderful things I first got addicted to

00:34:24   them when we were coming home through

00:34:25   Ghent through Grand Central every day

00:34:27   there's a couple of little markets like

00:34:30   in the like kind of off to the side and

00:34:31   then in the main area of Grand Central

00:34:33   that you can basically get a fruit tart

00:34:35   every day like as you go home on the

00:34:37   train every day and boy it's that it's

00:34:39   dangerous and glorious and and when you

00:34:41   make them your easy ones we're not as

00:34:44   good as those but your hard ones are

00:34:47   even better than those they better be my

00:34:49   god I did all the work

00:34:50   so yeah look I love of good fruit tart

00:34:53   it is definitely my number one as soon

00:34:55   as I realized that it should be included

00:34:57   in a category of pies it was a

00:34:59   no-brainer that's why you were so

00:35:02   excited about doing pies I was yeah

00:35:04   I totally got I thought you'd be really

00:35:07   mad about the cheesecake and the chicken

00:35:09   pot pie being included I'm very angry at

00:35:11   the Cheesecake yeah it's cake it's cake

00:35:18   pot pies is pie I don't it's not

00:35:21   marketing it's right there it's totally

00:35:24   pie anyway it literally says cake if it

00:35:28   were like he should have said nothing

00:35:29   that would be up for debate but it

00:35:31   literally says cake the other one says

00:35:34   pie I don't know what the problem is