The Incomparable

311: Chekhov with Two H`s


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00:00:07   the incomparable number 311 july 2016 [TS]

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00:00:17   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:18   uncomfortable i am your host Jason snail [TS]

00:00:20   and we're gonna do another flash cast [TS]

00:00:21   that's two in a row i tell people that [TS]

00:00:23   we don't talk about movies that are [TS]

00:00:25   currently in theaters because it's very [TS]

00:00:26   hard to get a panel together to talk [TS]

00:00:28   about movies that are currently in [TS]

00:00:29   theaters and yet we've done it two weeks [TS]

00:00:30   in a row so don't get used to it is what [TS]

00:00:31   I'm saying this may not ever happen [TS]

00:00:34   again but we are going to talk about [TS]

00:00:35   Star Trek beyond directed by Justin Lin [TS]

00:00:38   with a script by Doug young and and [TS]

00:00:41   simon pegg your buddy [TS]

00:00:42   Scotty and joining me to talk about Star [TS]

00:00:44   Trek beyond the latest the the [TS]

00:00:46   what-is-it what-is-it I lost lost [TS]

00:00:48   consciousness district 13 essentially if [TS]

00:00:50   you count that high school bad omen blue [TS]

00:00:53   joining me to talk about it [TS]

00:00:55   David lower high a we've got no ship no [TS]

00:00:58   crew how are we going to get out of this [TS]

00:01:00   one [TS]

00:01:01   we have a small crew a very ragtag group [TS]

00:01:03   of rebels down on a planet where the [TS]

00:01:06   erica and sign [TS]

00:01:07   hi I'm a ragtag rebel who yeah barely [TS]

00:01:10   there we go [TS]

00:01:11   and Scott McNulty of course is here [TS]

00:01:14   because I wouldn't talk about Star Trek [TS]

00:01:16   without Scott Scott please state the [TS]

00:01:18   nature of the medical emergency [TS]

00:01:20   still not wearing pants oh thank you [TS]

00:01:26   what what okay so started beyond it was [TS]

00:01:29   it's here it's a it's interesting i've [TS]

00:01:31   seen a lot of people that everybody was [TS]

00:01:34   really negative after the trailer came [TS]

00:01:36   out like they're like oh well Justin Lin [TS]

00:01:38   he's a fast and furious director they're [TS]

00:01:39   just going to give us an action movie [TS]

00:01:41   I don't know how long it's going to take [TS]

00:01:43   if ever for people to twig to the fact [TS]

00:01:46   that if you make a large budget sci fi [TS]

00:01:48   movie that drops in the summertime it's [TS]

00:01:51   probably going to be a tentpole action [TS]

00:01:53   movie even if it's called Star Trek [TS]

00:01:55   because that's sort of the business that [TS]

00:01:57   they're in and and so you know they used [TS]

00:02:00   in action director here I i think i [TS]

00:02:03   think this is a pretty ambitious movie I [TS]

00:02:05   think there's a lot of action and I [TS]

00:02:06   think they tried to do some stuff that [TS]

00:02:07   was true star trek Lissa I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:02:12   gonna reverse everything that's going to [TS]

00:02:13   be kind of topsy-turvy I wanted to ask [TS]

00:02:15   everybody just upfront what were you [TS]

00:02:17   what you know walking so walking out of [TS]

00:02:19   the theater your first thoughts uh how [TS]

00:02:21   do you feel this one rates in terms of [TS]

00:02:23   the JJ Abrams Star Trek trilogy because [TS]

00:02:27   JJ Abrams still producer on this even [TS]

00:02:29   though he didn't direct it [TS]

00:02:30   and maybe in terms of Star Trek movies [TS]

00:02:32   as a whole [TS]

00:02:33   David what about you I loved it I i [TS]

00:02:36   walked out of the theater ready to see [TS]

00:02:38   it again i know they announced the [TS]

00:02:40   fourth one and I I want them to just let [TS]

00:02:43   Simon Pegg do that one too just let them [TS]

00:02:45   write it so where do you think your [TS]

00:02:47   rates uh well i think it's it's for me [TS]

00:02:50   it's the best of the JJ movies and and [TS]

00:02:53   you know i think i have to see it again [TS]

00:02:55   just to let it sink in but it's it's in [TS]

00:03:00   the top third of all the trek movies for [TS]

00:03:02   me I think kristen i enjoyed it that [TS]

00:03:04   much Erica what about you [TS]

00:03:06   interesting that you ask for the walking [TS]

00:03:07   out of the theater feeling because [TS]

00:03:09   because I was actually feeling pretty [TS]

00:03:12   good by the time I walked out of the [TS]

00:03:13   theater but it took at least two three [TS]

00:03:15   quarters of the movie to get me they're [TS]

00:03:17   so so yeah it in the end I I i like the [TS]

00:03:21   end of it but I think when it comes down [TS]

00:03:24   to the walking out of the theater [TS]

00:03:25   feeling I don't think anything is going [TS]

00:03:28   to compare with the elation of the 2009 [TS]

00:03:31   movie which I saw with some of my [TS]

00:03:32   deepest like geekiest Star Trek fan [TS]

00:03:36   friends and they had been very worried [TS]

00:03:38   about it and really enjoyed it so coming [TS]

00:03:41   out of that was just like kind of a [TS]

00:03:43   feeling of of great elation and this was [TS]

00:03:46   this was fine it wasn't great elation [TS]

00:03:48   and i am one of those people that [TS]

00:03:50   actually enjoyed star trek beyond quite [TS]

00:03:52   a bit for not starting yet I mean I'm [TS]

00:03:54   into darkness quite a bit so I mean if I [TS]

00:03:57   am forced to rate them this is actually [TS]

00:03:59   at the bottom of my list currently and [TS]

00:04:02   Scott worried about you [TS]

00:04:03   well when I left the movie theater i was [TS]

00:04:06   happy i enjoyed the the movie i also get [TS]

00:04:09   a free movie pass for another movie so [TS]

00:04:11   that helps i think but even if I didn't [TS]

00:04:14   get that I would have been happy because [TS]

00:04:17   I enjoyed it i thought was fun and [TS]

00:04:19   really isn't the whole point of going to [TS]

00:04:21   a movie is to have a little fun unless [TS]

00:04:24   you're going to like some swedish movie [TS]

00:04:25   or something [TS]

00:04:27   nobody has fun sweetie always right take [TS]

00:04:29   that Sweden yeah the seventh seal is a [TS]

00:04:32   blast you kidding me in imax and so is [TS]

00:04:36   where i rank them in john scalzi posted [TS]

00:04:39   something that I thought was interesting [TS]

00:04:40   he said he thought it was the best of [TS]

00:04:42   the third [TS]

00:04:42   Star Trek movies question you know [TS]

00:04:45   you're here [TS]

00:04:46   comparing it to insurrection and star [TS]

00:04:48   trek 3 the search for spock so i think [TS]

00:04:51   that is true it is the best time yeah [TS]

00:04:53   the third entrance in structuring [TS]

00:04:55   franchises go with that I thought it was [TS]

00:04:59   my second favorite of the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:05:03   movies star trek 2009 i think still [TS]

00:05:05   beats it because just like what Eric was [TS]

00:05:07   saying it was so new and exciting to [TS]

00:05:11   have a star trek movie again that wasn't [TS]

00:05:14   kind of petering out because the last [TS]

00:05:16   couple of next-generation movies were [TS]

00:05:18   not very good so the star trek 2009 had [TS]

00:05:22   low expectations but it blew me away [TS]

00:05:25   into darkness was fine i liked a lot but [TS]

00:05:29   I didn't have the guy i watch 2009 again [TS]

00:05:35   over the weekend to prepare for this [TS]

00:05:37   podcast i was gonna watch into darkness [TS]

00:05:39   and I just didn't get around to it but i [TS]

00:05:41   don't like it i like Robocop so thumbs [TS]

00:05:44   up to that Admiral robocop that's right [TS]

00:05:48   my I'm kind of in the same camp as Erica [TS]

00:05:52   here I actually really like star trek [TS]

00:05:53   into darkness and I wallet while I think [TS]

00:05:57   it is telling that i have not really [TS]

00:06:01   watch star trek into darkness as many [TS]

00:06:03   times as I have already watched Star [TS]

00:06:05   Trek 2009 and so as a result i would [TS]

00:06:08   certainly rate you that the first of the [TS]

00:06:11   the JJ Abrams movies over it i don't [TS]

00:06:16   think i would rate star trek beyond over [TS]

00:06:18   it and I actually it's funny because my [TS]

00:06:19   expectations have been lowered somewhat [TS]

00:06:21   by that trailer and then they had been [TS]

00:06:22   raised by some of the good word of mouth [TS]

00:06:25   that came out as the movie was was was [TS]

00:06:28   arriving and when I went to see it what [TS]

00:06:30   I found [TS]

00:06:31   I thought was something that was has a [TS]

00:06:33   lot of good stuff in it and I want to [TS]

00:06:34   see it again because I suspect that [TS]

00:06:36   perhaps it just hit me wrong and i wanna [TS]

00:06:39   i want to give it its due as a Star Trek [TS]

00:06:41   fan but at the same time I saw a lot of [TS]

00:06:44   laws in it that made me think like okay [TS]

00:06:47   movie [TS]

00:06:48   what are you doing right now and that's [TS]

00:06:50   not a great that's not a great position [TS]

00:06:51   to be and I think I felt like and we can [TS]

00:06:53   get into this but I feel like the [TS]

00:06:55   director [TS]

00:06:55   was really ambitious and his talent [TS]

00:06:59   didn't really allow him to fulfill all [TS]

00:07:03   of his ambitions I like I felt like his [TS]

00:07:04   his reach exceeds 20 his grasp Thank You [TS]

00:07:07   mr. writer man punching above his weight [TS]

00:07:10   yeah i mean i love that he i loved the [TS]

00:07:12   ambition of some of the visuals in this [TS]

00:07:14   but i don't think they were executed [TS]

00:07:15   very well yes what was that note I I [TS]

00:07:18   like I want Simon figure-eight Nick I [TS]

00:07:20   didn't say anything about who should [TS]

00:07:22   direct oh but I thought it was a is [TS]

00:07:25   competent yeah and I thought it was a [TS]

00:07:28   very different feel to the movies right [TS]

00:07:31   so I know there's a lot of people on [TS]

00:07:33   Twitter that follow that are like oh [TS]

00:07:34   it's not real star trek whatever real [TS]

00:07:36   star trek is this argument i don't buy [TS]

00:07:40   the sets are cardboard come on you can I [TS]

00:07:43   mean you totally everyone is entitled to [TS]

00:07:45   their opinion but kind of judging what [TS]

00:07:47   real star trek is and what it isn't i [TS]

00:07:49   think is completely bogus right and [TS]

00:07:51   they're people like well it's not [TS]

00:07:52   cerebral so it can't be star trek and I [TS]

00:07:55   think really have you watched a lot of [TS]

00:07:56   Star Trek because there are some [TS]

00:08:00   cerebral episodes of Star Trek but by [TS]

00:08:02   and large there are a lot of that arms [TS]

00:08:05   but actually the century more common [TS]

00:08:08   really exactly thats but i thought this [TS]

00:08:09   was so JJ Abrams has a very particular [TS]

00:08:11   kind of style and obviously the first [TS]

00:08:13   two movies had that style so this was [TS]

00:08:16   kind of a refreshing new take on it a [TS]

00:08:18   very frenetic which i think almost [TS]

00:08:21   worked in some scenes but didn't quite I [TS]

00:08:24   had trouble and Jason you and I were [TS]

00:08:26   talking about this in slack i had [TS]

00:08:29   trouble sometimes knowing what I was [TS]

00:08:30   supposed to be looking at and what was [TS]

00:08:32   going on [TS]

00:08:33   you just never a great thing in a movie [TS]

00:08:35   I think unless they're trying to confuse [TS]

00:08:37   you which I don't think they were trying [TS]

00:08:38   to do here but if they were mission [TS]

00:08:41   accomplished [TS]

00:08:42   ok I hadn't thought about the not [TS]

00:08:44   knowing what I was supposed to look at [TS]

00:08:45   thing but you're right now that you say [TS]

00:08:47   that I think that was one of my problems [TS]

00:08:48   my other problem was the camera movement [TS]

00:08:51   and my I appreciate it when a director [TS]

00:08:55   tries to go for camera movement because [TS]

00:08:56   i think it can be really really cool but [TS]

00:08:58   I felt like well you know how in classic [TS]

00:09:01   classic Star Trek you know that the [TS]

00:09:03   ships would only ever meet each other in [TS]

00:09:04   two dimensions and it was you know you [TS]

00:09:07   basically get one kind of [TS]

00:09:08   goal of the ships and stuff I felt like [TS]

00:09:10   like this was trying to make up for [TS]

00:09:12   several decades of traditional up and [TS]

00:09:15   all in one hour and a half minutes that [TS]

00:09:18   was just it honestly made me physically [TS]

00:09:20   ill and that has not happened to me [TS]

00:09:21   since I think the third jason bourne [TS]

00:09:23   movie those are these are the only two [TS]

00:09:24   movies that have ever made me feel sick [TS]

00:09:26   in the theater good i saw it in imax 3d [TS]

00:09:28   so there was a lot to watch what you're [TS]

00:09:31   gonna say there's a lot of vomiting [TS]

00:09:33   going I didn't see anybody but I think I [TS]

00:09:36   think I I don't want to say i was [TS]

00:09:38   reading somebody's review of middling [TS]

00:09:40   review of ghostbusters where they said [TS]

00:09:42   that a that they thought that puffy just [TS]

00:09:45   couldn't direct action and I remember [TS]

00:09:47   thinking after i saw Star Trek beyond [TS]

00:09:49   like I don't know I felt like at least [TS]

00:09:51   in ghostbusters there was a sense of [TS]

00:09:53   geography and I think we just landed i [TS]

00:09:55   don't want to say you can't direct [TS]

00:09:56   action because he can direct action i [TS]

00:09:58   think though there's certain kinds of [TS]

00:10:00   action that he's very good at directing [TS]

00:10:01   and when we see Captain Kirk riding [TS]

00:10:03   around on his little motorcycle and [TS]

00:10:04   stuff like that i think that the [TS]

00:10:06   geography makes sense when people are [TS]

00:10:07   fighting each other hand to hand I think [TS]

00:10:09   the geography makes sense but once you [TS]

00:10:11   get into those scenes where you are in [TS]

00:10:13   space or your enemy of the Yorktown the [TS]

00:10:17   Starbase where there which I are again I [TS]

00:10:20   think the visuals of that space station [TS]

00:10:22   are stunning the idea that because [TS]

00:10:24   gravity is artificial you can have [TS]

00:10:26   different cityscape sort of pointing at [TS]

00:10:27   each other and perpendicular directions [TS]

00:10:29   and stuff I think that's great but I [TS]

00:10:31   think in those scenes he couldn't really [TS]

00:10:34   get across the geography he was trying [TS]

00:10:36   to convey and it ended up confusing in a [TS]

00:10:38   way that even something that was trying [TS]

00:10:40   to mess with your mind like Inception [TS]

00:10:42   didn't it didn't confuse me in the way I [TS]

00:10:46   think Christopher Nolan did a much [TS]

00:10:49   better job of keeping his filmic [TS]

00:10:51   geography intact and I I just don't [TS]

00:10:53   think that Justin Lin managed it right i [TS]

00:10:55   mean even even the fight scenes the [TS]

00:10:58   hand-to-hand fight scenes for me they [TS]

00:11:01   didn't land because the camera is [TS]

00:11:03   continuously moving and zooming and [TS]

00:11:05   cutting and twitching and shaking and [TS]

00:11:06   jumping and swooping and you don't know [TS]

00:11:09   what's happened until the fight is done [TS]

00:11:10   it looked like they were choreographed [TS]

00:11:13   very well I mean I fight choreography is [TS]

00:11:15   something to pay attention to but the [TS]

00:11:18   camera work was insane [TS]

00:11:20   same for those and and and especially [TS]

00:11:22   the swooping shaking a camera sequence [TS]

00:11:26   of camera in the Yorktown sequence it [TS]

00:11:30   didn't make me physically ill only only [TS]

00:11:32   rainbow road and mario kart can do that [TS]

00:11:35   oh god yes it is it was it was too much [TS]

00:11:38   because you couldn't focus on what was [TS]

00:11:40   going on you couldn't i'm even even when [TS]

00:11:42   the cameras doing the shaking chittering [TS]

00:11:44   thing like a look-see we're pretending [TS]

00:11:46   its cinema very day it's not it doesn't [TS]

00:11:48   have to shake you don't need that [TS]

00:11:51   let the ship and the people shake keep [TS]

00:11:53   the camera still it's okay you know it's [TS]

00:11:56   not a car it's not the fast and furious [TS]

00:11:58   so yeah I i did not like any of his [TS]

00:12:04   action direction for the most part I i [TS]

00:12:07   like the concept i like scenes i like [TS]

00:12:09   the the design of things [TS]

00:12:12   yeah but I did not think that as soon as [TS]

00:12:14   it went into the the full-tilt action [TS]

00:12:16   mode i did not think it was very very [TS]

00:12:18   effective [TS]

00:12:19   I'm and maybe it's because he's used to [TS]

00:12:21   you know fast furious is fast and [TS]

00:12:23   furious but their cars right it's two [TS]

00:12:25   bedrooms you don't really see a lot of [TS]

00:12:26   floating cars flying writers there's [TS]

00:12:28   gravity [TS]

00:12:29   exactly and I think he just was trying [TS]

00:12:31   to do a whole lot with this he had a [TS]

00:12:33   third dimension was like we've got to [TS]

00:12:35   use the hell out of this third manage [TS]

00:12:36   ambition right I appreciate being bitchy [TS]

00:12:38   absolutely absolutely didn't come off [TS]

00:12:41   no but I did like the Yorktown a lot [TS]

00:12:43   thumbs up I guess the design it's so [TS]

00:12:46   beautiful I I like those moments I i saw [TS]

00:12:48   some people online complaining about the [TS]

00:12:50   fact that that a starship emerges [TS]

00:12:52   through water again and it's like me but [TS]

00:12:55   I thought that it was so it was like so [TS]

00:12:56   so perfect that it got to that point [TS]

00:12:58   because we we had to let up to that [TS]

00:13:00   point I i love the idea that not only [TS]

00:13:02   are all those spaces perpendicular to [TS]

00:13:03   each other because it's all artificial [TS]

00:13:05   gravity anyway so it kind of doesn't [TS]

00:13:07   matter but that you've also got little [TS]

00:13:08   tubes that star ships come into and you [TS]

00:13:11   can see them going by i'm not sure how [TS]

00:13:12   practical that is and i also have some [TS]

00:13:15   questions about their defense which [TS]

00:13:16   appeared apparently as everybody sit [TS]

00:13:18   inside and greg grunberg will look at [TS]

00:13:20   the computer and tell you something's [TS]

00:13:22   happening just just feel safer already [TS]

00:13:24   if you've got millions and millions of [TS]

00:13:26   people living in this in this should [TS]

00:13:28   there be like Federation starships all [TS]

00:13:30   around and shouldn't have liked more [TS]

00:13:32   guns and things on the outside to [TS]

00:13:34   protect them and apparently not [TS]

00:13:36   apparently they don't but Greg Grunberg [TS]

00:13:37   he's paying attention so there should be [TS]

00:13:39   shields beyond the glass dome right he [TS]

00:13:42   would think right but I expense I mean [TS]

00:13:45   it's pretty it's but it's but it is such [TS]

00:13:47   a super I i love the production design [TS]

00:13:50   on this really i think i think this [TS]

00:13:52   ship's look good i think the the [TS]

00:13:54   Yorktown looks good i love a lot of the [TS]

00:13:57   planet stuff i like i like the Franklin [TS]

00:13:59   sets i think those are a lot of fun [TS]

00:14:02   oh by the way who would have thought [TS]

00:14:03   that there would never be like if you're [TS]

00:14:04   a fan of Star Trek Enterprise this is as [TS]

00:14:07   close as you're ever going to get to an [TS]

00:14:08   enterprise movie so I hope you are doing [TS]

00:14:09   it right so good in people who have idea [TS]

00:14:13   the Yorktown appeared early enough in [TS]

00:14:15   the film and I hadn't been completely [TS]

00:14:17   sort of turned off by the way happy [TS]

00:14:19   camper with moving and I was just I mean [TS]

00:14:21   that first sequence there i was kind of [TS]

00:14:23   ja a gape just in awe [TS]

00:14:25   it was it was amazing i had a thought [TS]

00:14:27   like if the incomparable ever does a [TS]

00:14:28   space station draft that may be near the [TS]

00:14:30   top of my list because i want to go to [TS]

00:14:33   there [TS]

00:14:34   it's beautiful it's just a beautiful [TS]

00:14:36   thing I i think one of the things that [TS]

00:14:38   film can do is make your drop like that [TS]

00:14:41   and have that moment of like I I can't [TS]

00:14:43   believe what I'm seeing now and I think [TS]

00:14:45   that's pretty rare and I felt that same [TS]

00:14:47   way which is like wow this is like a [TS]

00:14:49   real fascinating visual from a star trek [TS]

00:14:52   movie which honestly doesn't happen as [TS]

00:14:55   much I like Star Trek movies that you [TS]

00:14:57   know jaw-dropping visuals is not a thing [TS]

00:15:00   that they tend to do and i was very [TS]

00:15:01   impressed with that when i went with my [TS]

00:15:04   eleven-year-old and every time the [TS]

00:15:06   Yorktown came on-screen he would lean [TS]

00:15:09   over and say I want to go there [TS]

00:15:11   where is that American we can we go that [TS]

00:15:13   great a film that is that I think most [TS]

00:15:15   of it by existence [TS]

00:15:18   yeah just go to devise just like that [TS]

00:15:19   pic just hit yourself in the head with a [TS]

00:15:23   brick when you buy [TS]

00:15:25   I'm gonna see anything on the Yorktown [TS]

00:15:28   and I'll i like what it kind of says [TS]

00:15:30   about the the this moment of the [TS]

00:15:33   Federation where they could build [TS]

00:15:34   something like this and they're just so [TS]

00:15:35   confident in their technology because [TS]

00:15:37   something crazy and you can't build [TS]

00:15:39   something like this if you're not super [TS]

00:15:42   confident that it will stay together [TS]

00:15:43   right because they're their buildings [TS]

00:15:45   all over the place [TS]

00:15:46   spaceships are flying through its it [TS]

00:15:47   doesn't make any sense but if you did [TS]

00:15:49   you know the the parallel to the culture [TS]

00:15:52   books is striking into people who have [TS]

00:15:55   read the culture books and see this [TS]

00:15:57   movie and so I just thought you know [TS]

00:15:59   this is portraying a federation that is [TS]

00:16:02   very confident in its technology and [TS]

00:16:03   then we see obviously later [TS]

00:16:06   technology is a theater price goes up [TS]

00:16:08   basically spoiler i think there are [TS]

00:16:12   elements of lots of other Star Trek [TS]

00:16:14   movies in this movie and interesting [TS]

00:16:15   ways but one of the things that struck [TS]

00:16:17   me was the story that is really in Star [TS]

00:16:20   Trek the motion picture and also [TS]

00:16:21   instruct her to which is the idea that [TS]

00:16:23   you know Captain Kirk gives up his [TS]

00:16:25   command and he becomes an admiral and [TS]

00:16:27   then he regrets it because he wants to [TS]

00:16:29   go and be a captain that's his best [TS]

00:16:31   thing that he can do and in this movie [TS]

00:16:34   what we get is we get chris pine's [TS]

00:16:36   captain kirk and they've been out there [TS]

00:16:38   for 43 years so I which I thought was [TS]

00:16:41   kind of clever because that's how long [TS]

00:16:42   we saw the original Star Trek's [TS]

00:16:44   five-year mission was the first three [TS]

00:16:45   years right now I got canceled and he's [TS]

00:16:47   kind of burning out like he's he's just [TS]

00:16:49   they've been doing this he says [TS]

00:16:51   everything is episodic which made me [TS]

00:16:52   laugh because yeah that would happen [TS]

00:16:55   you're on a TV show do not know and um & [TS]

00:16:58   ripped by shirt again and he's high know [TS]

00:17:01   right it and he's burned he's burned out [TS]

00:17:04   and he goes back and talk to her egg [TS]

00:17:06   dash luat at Yorktown and she's like [TS]

00:17:08   what we got your application to you know [TS]

00:17:10   be able to be an admiral what so what [TS]

00:17:13   did what people think I've had about [TS]

00:17:14   that storyline and then in parallel [TS]

00:17:16   there's a core Spock dealing with his [TS]

00:17:17   mortality where we we get this stuff [TS]

00:17:20   about about learning Moyes Spock uh [TS]

00:17:22   obviously a hat tip to learn Nimoy that [TS]

00:17:25   we hear that ambassador Spock has died [TS]

00:17:27   and so Zachary Quintos Spock is dealing [TS]

00:17:31   with that too [TS]

00:17:32   so what do you think about those those [TS]

00:17:33   themes because that's sort of the the [TS]

00:17:35   character beats we get right at the [TS]

00:17:36   front of the movie Chris Pine fell [TS]

00:17:38   the Kirk easiest i think of all of the [TS]

00:17:40   above all the movies up to this point so [TS]

00:17:42   I mean he I feel like he's sort of [TS]

00:17:44   settled in the role and I mean that if [TS]

00:17:47   you like that the friendship between all [TS]

00:17:48   of these characters is earned at this [TS]

00:17:50   point because they've got three years [TS]

00:17:51   under their belts as opposed to being [TS]

00:17:53   all squished together and you know us [TS]

00:17:56   supposed to think that yes so this makes [TS]

00:17:58   perfect sense after they've just met so [TS]

00:18:00   on that level it worked but I just I [TS]

00:18:05   don't know it felt very sort of dour and [TS]

00:18:07   and kind of glum and I did maybe it was [TS]

00:18:10   because the camera was making me sick [TS]

00:18:12   but I kind of didn't care until we [TS]

00:18:15   started pairing characters off and that [TS]

00:18:17   was when I started being interested in [TS]

00:18:20   the interplay between the characters [TS]

00:18:21   again probably because they're their [TS]

00:18:24   friendship is earned by now but when it [TS]

00:18:27   was just you know I don't really care [TS]

00:18:28   about about Captain Kirk's man next [TS]

00:18:32   sorry just don't write that that sort of [TS]

00:18:36   lived-in feeling for all the characters [TS]

00:18:38   is part of why I like this why i think i [TS]

00:18:40   like the best of the three just because [TS]

00:18:42   they have earned it [TS]

00:18:44   they have a comfort level with each [TS]

00:18:46   other that they didn't have even into [TS]

00:18:48   darkness i would i would say and so yeah [TS]

00:18:51   it I mean it was it was a little tower [TS]

00:18:54   in the beginning that's that's a great [TS]

00:18:55   word for it but I think it's meant to be [TS]

00:18:58   i mean it is that these are sort of like [TS]

00:19:00   these momentous life changes they're [TS]

00:19:02   thinking about and the end Kirk and [TS]

00:19:05   Spock haven't told each other what [TS]

00:19:07   they're thinking about doing yet but yet [TS]

00:19:10   is it is a little slow [TS]

00:19:13   I think the scene with mccoy in the [TS]

00:19:15   beginning where they're having a drink [TS]

00:19:16   is is a little bit to try and lighten [TS]

00:19:19   the mood a little maybe except there [TS]

00:19:22   except it's really dark and they're [TS]

00:19:24   drinking while the guys in death and you [TS]

00:19:27   know but other than that it's pretty a [TS]

00:19:29   bright lights and and i will i will say [TS]

00:19:31   that the eleven-year-old leading zeros [TS]

00:19:33   why is dr. McCoy searching Chekhov's [TS]

00:19:36   locker that's not very nice [TS]

00:19:38   yeah there's like four sentences that's [TS]

00:19:40   true [TS]

00:19:41   fair enough you you'd think a good old [TS]

00:19:44   Southern doctor would be able to get [TS]

00:19:45   alcohol without relying on the Russian I [TS]

00:19:48   think that scene pays off some things [TS]

00:19:49   with not only doesn't have a rest [TS]

00:19:51   instead the first two original Star Trek [TS]

00:19:53   movies but it pays off [TS]

00:19:55   what we've seen of Kirk's origin in the [TS]

00:19:57   original surgery 2009 and I like the [TS]

00:20:02   residents of that it's it it's his [TS]

00:20:04   birthday and starter to Captain Kirk is [TS]

00:20:05   going through a birthday and regretting [TS]

00:20:07   that being a captain anymore and I I [TS]

00:20:08   mean maybe no Simon Pegg and presumably [TS]

00:20:12   John although i don't know as much about [TS]

00:20:14   him [TS]

00:20:14   they know what they're paying off here [TS]

00:20:16   from like old star trek movies and new [TS]

00:20:18   star trek movies and I liked it [TS]

00:20:19   although even then it goes on too long [TS]

00:20:21   and it's and it's you on the nose [TS]

00:20:23   especially that scene where he's like I [TS]

00:20:25   know your father bit the dust on your [TS]

00:20:27   birthday was like yeah we saw that we do [TS]

00:20:30   decide we know we got it got it [TS]

00:20:32   yeah got it Scott what about you what do [TS]

00:20:35   you think about the about the captain [TS]

00:20:36   kirk retirement you Admiral stuff and [TS]

00:20:41   the spock stuff so the problem here that [TS]

00:20:44   we talked about this every time we talk [TS]

00:20:46   about the new star trek was right is [TS]

00:20:47   that these this crew doesn't have the [TS]

00:20:50   history that's the original Star Trek [TS]

00:20:52   crew did right so they didn't three [TS]

00:20:54   years of the show and then we have all [TS]

00:20:56   these movies you know we don't have [TS]

00:20:58   episodes that we miss it we're totally [TS]

00:21:00   episodic but we didn't see and the [TS]

00:21:02   characters are younger so some of it [TS]

00:21:05   like it didn't really make much sense to [TS]

00:21:07   me that he would be a vice-admiral other [TS]

00:21:10   than the fact that he's super-awesome he [TS]

00:21:12   seems a little young to be a [TS]

00:21:13   vice-admiral yeah but I thought it was [TS]

00:21:16   clever that they compress that [TS]

00:21:18   three-year mission in the front to you [TS]

00:21:21   know that montage of boredom for Kirk [TS]

00:21:23   and we see the little aliens and the [TS]

00:21:26   little aliens which I understand very [TS]

00:21:27   funny scene [TS]

00:21:28   yeah i was nicely done you get that [TS]

00:21:30   first look bigger than they were little [TS]

00:21:32   and they were no eating a muffin he had [TS]

00:21:34   to get ready so i thought was [TS]

00:21:38   interesting because it's so there's a [TS]

00:21:39   lot of shorthand writing as a Star Trek [TS]

00:21:40   fan I know the relationship so i can i [TS]

00:21:43   can fill in a lot of the cap so it [TS]

00:21:45   worked for me but I could understand how [TS]

00:21:47   it's just kind of rushed because they [TS]

00:21:50   asked don't have the time their movies [TS]

00:21:52   they can't you can't make a teen movies [TS]

00:21:55   before you can get to this plot right [TS]

00:21:56   now they don't have to imply that we've [TS]

00:21:58   seen 322 episode 66 episode 3 you know [TS]

00:22:02   three seasons and now there [TS]

00:22:04   like remember how Star Trek at three [TS]

00:22:06   seasons it's kind of like that but you [TS]

00:22:07   just kind of have to take it forward and [TS]

00:22:09   they're young so I you know as kirk is [TS]

00:22:12   this kirk wanted to be an admiral that [TS]

00:22:13   seems awfully premature because didn't [TS]

00:22:15   just graduate from surfing academy like [TS]

00:22:18   four years ago [TS]

00:22:19   yeah i mean he seemed a little too young [TS]

00:22:21   for that but again one of the things i [TS]

00:22:24   like about this that the other two films [TS]

00:22:26   just pissed me off is that he actually [TS]

00:22:29   applied he went through channel asteroid [TS]

00:22:32   he did it properly it wasn't like oh by [TS]

00:22:34   the way you're captain now [TS]

00:22:36   oh you can do this in my headcanon sorry [TS]

00:22:40   aghdashloo before before Kirk ends up [TS]

00:22:42   saving the entire Yorktown which change [TS]

00:22:46   changes the the the equation a little [TS]

00:22:48   bit [TS]

00:22:49   it's like well thanks for saving all of [TS]

00:22:50   us you save millions of people my [TS]

00:22:52   headcanon is that what she was going to [TS]

00:22:54   say is basically snap out of it i'm not [TS]

00:22:56   going to make you an admiral you just [TS]

00:22:57   became captain you're good at it you [TS]

00:22:59   need to you need you need to not she [TS]

00:23:01   turned out you take it takes some shore [TS]

00:23:03   leave and get back to it [TS]

00:23:04   stop being a man baby and that would [TS]

00:23:06   have been a nice scene [TS]

00:23:08   yeah but instead you know he saves [TS]

00:23:09   everything she's like all right you can [TS]

00:23:10   be an admiral if you want whatever it is [TS]

00:23:13   like yeah nevermind I'm the hair don't [TS]

00:23:15   but i don't want to be now which is good [TS]

00:23:17   because that I mean again that's the [TS]

00:23:18   special character are trying to give him [TS]

00:23:20   it just it seems a little premature and [TS]

00:23:22   and yeah the reason that I go with it is [TS]

00:23:24   because i have seen all of those other [TS]

00:23:26   movies i did like the stuff about his [TS]

00:23:28   dad and the whole idea of like why did [TS]

00:23:30   you why did you join because he's not [TS]

00:23:32   like William Shatner's Captain Kirk he [TS]

00:23:34   didn't join for those reasons he joined [TS]

00:23:35   for the Dare that that that Christopher [TS]

00:23:38   Pike gave him and star trek 2009 and [TS]

00:23:40   that part was that part was interesting [TS]

00:23:43   so but yeah it was [TS]

00:23:44   it's dark and dour and then I do like [TS]

00:23:46   their I do like how they try to give us [TS]

00:23:49   a flavor of an episode at the beginning [TS]

00:23:51   of this and star trek into darkness [TS]

00:23:52   where there's you you're catching them [TS]

00:23:54   in in the middle of something I think [TS]

00:23:56   that's good although i think that that [TS]

00:23:58   was a problem that I had with it is i [TS]

00:23:59   have read reviews of this that say oh it [TS]

00:24:02   feels like a like an episode it's like [TS]

00:24:04   well no it doesn't because they finish [TS]

00:24:06   an episode and then he gets and then [TS]

00:24:08   they had this whole like we're gonna [TS]

00:24:09   send you on this mission and it turns [TS]

00:24:11   out to be a whole grand conspiracy that [TS]

00:24:12   threatens the whole of of Yorktown [TS]

00:24:15   and like that's not really a star trek [TS]

00:24:17   episode of Star Trek episode would be [TS]

00:24:19   that they would find the planet and it [TS]

00:24:22   would be a trap but that's sort of not [TS]

00:24:24   anyway it's a minor point but i felt [TS]

00:24:26   like i couldn't we could we have just [TS]

00:24:28   had them out on their mission having [TS]

00:24:30   these questions why I have doesn't have [TS]

00:24:32   to be [TS]

00:24:32   we're going to you know get get waylaid [TS]

00:24:35   from our mission and go in and have this [TS]

00:24:38   movie at least the fate of the universe [TS]

00:24:39   wasn't steak and and one nice thing [TS]

00:24:41   about the dour beginning is that it does [TS]

00:24:44   have everyone a little off balance when [TS]

00:24:46   they wind up in this trap and wind up [TS]

00:24:48   getting split up into different groups [TS]

00:24:50   because now they're they're not just out [TS]

00:24:53   of sorts now it's it's not Kirk and [TS]

00:24:55   Spock is it it's kirk and check off its [TS]

00:24:57   Spock and McCoy it has weird [TS]

00:24:59   combinations so it's not even the best [TS]

00:25:02   combination of the crew right or quote [TS]

00:25:05   unquote the best combination and they [TS]

00:25:08   wind up having to work through that [TS]

00:25:09   through the movie which was I like that [TS]

00:25:12   I thought that was you i disagree i [TS]

00:25:13   think it I think it was the best [TS]

00:25:14   combination with phones bak well yeah i [TS]

00:25:18   know i absolutely are gonna keep harping [TS]

00:25:20   on you know Kirk and Spock Kirk and [TS]

00:25:22   Spock yet no I i agree Spock McCoy is [TS]

00:25:25   the best that one of the things that [TS]

00:25:26   this movie does but i think very few of [TS]

00:25:28   the Star Trek movies do well I think [TS]

00:25:29   about you know Star Trek for does this a [TS]

00:25:31   little bit stricter three does a little [TS]

00:25:33   bit but they make an effort to have [TS]

00:25:35   every character get some moments and [TS]

00:25:37   with seven characters it's a it's a tall [TS]

00:25:39   order to get seven of your characters [TS]

00:25:41   and give them things to do that are [TS]

00:25:42   interesting and that not everybody's [TS]

00:25:44   going to get to do a lot but everybody [TS]

00:25:46   gets to do something and by pairing them [TS]

00:25:48   and grouping them the way they do it [TS]

00:25:51   gets to be I mean that that's a good way [TS]

00:25:53   of doing it it's it's a not a bad [TS]

00:25:56   conceit to give them all a little moment [TS]

00:25:58   in the Sun because if it's seven people [TS]

00:25:59   standing on the bridge of a spaceship [TS]

00:26:01   it's it's not gonna happen right but but [TS]

00:26:04   they split them up [TS]

00:26:05   that said splitting them up really i [TS]

00:26:07   felt slow the movie down because we kept [TS]

00:26:10   on having to go from pair two pair from [TS]

00:26:12   group to group and and that's when the [TS]

00:26:14   movie felt like a sort of ground to a [TS]

00:26:15   halt and we skipped over the enterprise [TS]

00:26:18   getting blown up by the way which we [TS]

00:26:19   should probably mention enterprises get [TS]

00:26:22   blown up all the time right and i [TS]

00:26:23   thought this was a I thought this was [TS]

00:26:24   again waterway is doing it right with a [TS]

00:26:27   little little ships that smash [TS]

00:26:29   it into little pieces and I didn't [TS]

00:26:30   understand people were like they're [TS]

00:26:32   blowing up the enterprise it's how could [TS]

00:26:34   they do this like they do it all the [TS]

00:26:36   time all the dates it's not a shock even [TS]

00:26:38   in the third original movie they blew up [TS]

00:26:41   the enterprise so it's not like it's a [TS]

00:26:43   shocking pink although this one I think [TS]

00:26:47   maybe about my favorite enterprise [TS]

00:26:50   blowing up scenes [TS]

00:26:52   yes I had to close my eyes for a lot of [TS]

00:26:54   that scene because that was that was [TS]

00:26:56   that was pretty much where I lost ya all [TS]

00:26:58   ability to pay attention to the film for [TS]

00:27:00   quite awhile simply because it was very [TS]

00:27:03   very hard to physically watch a lot of [TS]

00:27:06   swooping lot of shaking the swooping I [TS]

00:27:09   is is some of the geography stuff that I [TS]

00:27:11   i had at an issue with is that I get [TS]

00:27:13   what they're trying to do but I felt [TS]

00:27:15   like it was who was too much and too i [TS]

00:27:18   think David's point to the shaky cam [TS]

00:27:20   stuff it's like I'm not sure you needed [TS]

00:27:22   the shaky cam with new swooping and the [TS]

00:27:24   changes in perspective all at the same [TS]

00:27:26   time [TS]

00:27:27   well it's like you know that's what we [TS]

00:27:28   got what what is what is Kirk doing [TS]

00:27:30   where is he [TS]

00:27:31   what's going on where is a whore why are [TS]

00:27:34   they splitting off the saucer it's [TS]

00:27:35   pretty much gonna go down on the planet [TS]

00:27:37   anyway what are they doing which which [TS]

00:27:40   part is flying away from what it's like [TS]

00:27:42   I didn't even realize that there's like [TS]

00:27:45   a major plot point the fact that was it [TS]

00:27:48   bones had already flown one of the [TS]

00:27:51   little alien vessel things and that's [TS]

00:27:54   why he had to go on [TS]

00:27:55   I didn't realize until they got back in [TS]

00:27:57   it towards the end of the movie but [TS]

00:27:59   that's what they had been in the first [TS]

00:28:00   place idea right now I got that the idea [TS]

00:28:04   was that they were separating the saucer [TS]

00:28:05   so that they would have enough impulse [TS]

00:28:06   power to go back in the nebula and hide [TS]

00:28:08   and run away right for help but it was [TS]

00:28:11   it was all it yeah it was all very cool [TS]

00:28:13   is that that was there was something i [TS]

00:28:15   figured out a few minutes after it [TS]

00:28:17   started [TS]

00:28:18   it's like Oh impulse power of course and [TS]

00:28:20   but yeah I was just get that part i got [TS]

00:28:23   i just didn't get the the alien ship [TS]

00:28:25   part there's a lot happening so uh let's [TS]

00:28:29   let's see what else we want to talk [TS]

00:28:30   about we talk about a wish to buy jayla [TS]

00:28:33   who Scotty finds on the planet [TS]

00:28:35   yes she I thought she was I thought she [TS]

00:28:37   was fun in the trailers I was like oh no [TS]

00:28:40   it's gonna be like [TS]

00:28:41   primitive woman on Planet falls in love [TS]

00:28:44   with Captain Kirk and all that and now [TS]

00:28:45   she's a very capable person middle of a [TS]

00:28:47   signer for Starfleet at the end she's [TS]

00:28:49   great [TS]

00:28:50   yeah I I hope she's in the next one yeah [TS]

00:28:52   actually I would like to watch her show [TS]

00:28:54   like please do not regenerate started [TS]

00:28:57   engineer [TS]

00:28:58   yeah i would watch the heck out of that [TS]

00:28:59   yeah just like Lela III picture [TS]

00:29:01   Erica ya done who for you there she [TS]

00:29:04   comes from a Savage Land but now she's a [TS]

00:29:06   little anxious costume [TS]

00:29:08   yes this is true i could also go with [TS]

00:29:10   futurama Leela i love i love the fact [TS]

00:29:14   that she's got she's says well I know [TS]

00:29:16   your language from my house and we go [TS]

00:29:17   back there and this is the reveal I wish [TS]

00:29:19   again I wish it wasn't spoiled for me [TS]

00:29:21   because it's a pretty fun reveal where [TS]

00:29:22   she's actually been living in a [TS]

00:29:23   Federation starship she's rigged it up [TS]

00:29:25   so she can listen to music from them [TS]

00:29:27   from the music music data banks [TS]

00:29:29   she's trying to fix it and she runs into [TS]

00:29:31   Scotty what are the chances so she had [TS]

00:29:33   dreams Montgomery Scotty back to fix the [TS]

00:29:35   spaceship but it's a it's a fun moment [TS]

00:29:37   and it's a fun reveal and she's you know [TS]

00:29:39   she's she's her character flaws [TS]

00:29:41   basically that she's afraid because they [TS]

00:29:44   killed her family and and she has to get [TS]

00:29:47   over it and trust and there's some trust [TS]

00:29:49   issues she has to work out but she's [TS]

00:29:51   never anything but capable which is a [TS]

00:29:53   which is fun [TS]

00:29:54   yeah refreshing actually yeah I like [TS]

00:29:56   that there are no damsels in distress [TS]

00:29:58   basically yeah i agree i mean like hora [TS]

00:30:01   hora is the one who basically lets [TS]

00:30:04   Captain Kirk escape and she makes that [TS]

00:30:07   move after she's punched a bunch of [TS]

00:30:08   crawls guys so she has she has a moment [TS]

00:30:11   she's not she's not waiting you know [TS]

00:30:14   hiding from the fight she's in it and [TS]

00:30:16   she basically saves Captain Kirk we get [TS]

00:30:18   sure at dash Lou as the Admiral so we've [TS]

00:30:21   got a woman in a position of authority [TS]

00:30:22   who gives dispenses submit some wisdom [TS]

00:30:25   and advice to Captain Kirk you know it [TS]

00:30:28   by the standard it's not it's not a lot [TS]

00:30:30   but by the standards of these star trek [TS]

00:30:32   movies it's it's better treatment of [TS]

00:30:34   women than they that they've done when [TS]

00:30:36   like poor Carol Marcus was in her [TS]

00:30:39   underwear for no reason for example yeah [TS]

00:30:41   i mean as much as I i did enjoy into [TS]

00:30:43   darkness that if that was you know [TS]

00:30:45   besides besides the the bed naked moment [TS]

00:30:47   but just like seeing all the white guys [TS]

00:30:49   in charge of Starfleet was like really [TS]

00:30:51   so so this this did have a light up [TS]

00:30:53   there [TS]

00:30:54   as much as i enjoy blondes in their [TS]

00:30:55   underwear I didn't need that in the dirt [TS]

00:30:57   it's not necessary [TS]

00:30:59   no you're right about the Admirals and [TS]

00:31:01   stuff later alright guys so here we go [TS]

00:31:02   we got sure aghdashloo guys hey as [TS]

00:31:05   commas national comment or whatever she [TS]

00:31:08   is she's in charge of stuff economics a [TS]

00:31:10   that's good because he always calls for [TS]

00:31:11   sure Sasquatch Frank tell me something i [TS]

00:31:15   need to know nobody has a little pep I [TS]

00:31:17   things nice Commodore I don't know she's [TS]

00:31:20   just under cover from the other universe [TS]

00:31:21   of the expanse that's all yeah she works [TS]

00:31:25   for the UN yeah yeah goodbye United [TS]

00:31:27   Earth space fleet [TS]

00:31:29   ok let's talk about crawl [TS]

00:31:35   ar-ar-ar villain crawl played by Idris [TS]

00:31:38   Elba the great the great interest Elba [TS]

00:31:40   who is for the first half of the movie [TS]

00:31:43   completely unrecognizable and in the [TS]

00:31:46   second half [TS]

00:31:47   mostly unrecognized people i didn't [TS]

00:31:50   actually realize it was him until the [TS]

00:31:51   credits and I knew going in that he was [TS]

00:31:53   in this movie I just forgotten and I [TS]

00:31:54   knew the twist before going into the [TS]

00:31:56   movie and of course going into the movie [TS]

00:31:58   and watching them like of course yes i [TS]

00:32:00   went i would have figured out I would've [TS]

00:32:01   figured that anyways I i did i did and i [TS]

00:32:04   can I was like okay there's a I mean to [TS]

00:32:06   their credit it took me you know until [TS]

00:32:08   the they showed the video of the shaky [TS]

00:32:11   fuzzy and you didn't see all of it video [TS]

00:32:13   of the crew of the Frank right and I was [TS]

00:32:15   like oh ok this is probably something [TS]

00:32:20   ok it's not probably not just there [TS]

00:32:22   because we're supposed to be wistful [TS]

00:32:23   about the poor people who died a hundred [TS]

00:32:25   years ago [TS]

00:32:26   that's ok probably right probably which [TS]

00:32:28   actually reminded me of Star Trek [TS]

00:32:29   insurrection right where its people here [TS]

00:32:32   now really old much older than they [TS]

00:32:34   should be but they've unnaturally kept [TS]

00:32:35   themselves alive but now they don't look [TS]

00:32:37   like they used to look they look [TS]

00:32:38   horribly disfigured and stuff it's like [TS]

00:32:40   that scroll it's the same deal you may [TS]

00:32:42   have murray Abraham little machine for [TS]

00:32:44   all we know his little face stretching [TS]

00:32:46   machine but he doesn't have the the [TS]

00:32:48   official masseuses that's true he just [TS]

00:32:51   has suspended when he's got the bumps on [TS]

00:32:52   his space instead you know masseuses I [TS]

00:32:56   exaggerated a little bit i did recognize [TS]

00:32:58   yourself before the credits but it it [TS]

00:33:01   generally yeah he was he was so so [TS]

00:33:04   covered up that I mean I'm still a [TS]

00:33:06   little mad at myself for not right [TS]

00:33:07   using his voice because i like it was [TS]

00:33:09   one of those things where like I know [TS]

00:33:10   this voice why can't I place it just [TS]

00:33:12   because it was on the spot and then by [TS]

00:33:14   the time that he was revealed that was [TS]

00:33:15   like I almost feel like I wasted all of [TS]

00:33:18   this time just trying to figure out who [TS]

00:33:20   that is under the makeup and that was it [TS]

00:33:22   was a distraction from in well from [TS]

00:33:24   tolerating that character from I just [TS]

00:33:27   didn't care about to start with I feel [TS]

00:33:29   like it was a mistake to make him so [TS]

00:33:31   alien because its star trek we would [TS]

00:33:33   have given them a pass if it looks like [TS]

00:33:35   it's elbow with some bumps and stuff we [TS]

00:33:37   would have been like oh well you know [TS]

00:33:38   what Star Trek they're making him an [TS]

00:33:40   alien but then you don't get the twist [TS]

00:33:42   well no I think you would still get I [TS]

00:33:43   think you would still get the twist [TS]

00:33:44   right i think i think you would know who [TS]

00:33:46   a is at first yeah because he doesn't he [TS]

00:33:49   doesn't really say his name for most of [TS]

00:33:50   the movie and then you know not to get [TS]

00:33:53   too many check-ins in here but when they [TS]

00:33:54   first get into the Franklin Scotty goes [TS]

00:33:56   oh this was cotton baltazar medicines [TS]

00:33:59   ship he vanished in a hundred years ago [TS]

00:34:01   and I went that's Chekhov's mention of [TS]

00:34:03   who crawl really is because that you [TS]

00:34:06   know why is he saying that in the middle [TS]

00:34:08   of this scene it has nothing to do with [TS]

00:34:10   anything [TS]

00:34:11   all we're going to meet captain medicine [TS]

00:34:13   so other check out is what you're saying [TS]

00:34:15   yeah check out Twitter and check off [TS]

00:34:17   with an H it's a check of all the way [TS]

00:34:20   down and check out with 28 years I guess [TS]

00:34:22   yeah well there is definitely a a lot of [TS]

00:34:25   economy going on that like everything we [TS]

00:34:27   see is important which on one level I [TS]

00:34:29   mean I appreciate that they set it up [TS]

00:34:31   but on another level at some point if [TS]

00:34:33   there are no red herrings in there if [TS]

00:34:34   there no like interesting details that [TS]

00:34:36   don't matter you realize that it all [TS]

00:34:38   kind of like everything it only exists [TS]

00:34:41   in order to service the plots like oh we [TS]

00:34:43   saw the Yorktown it must be under siege [TS]

00:34:45   later because why would we see it [TS]

00:34:47   otherwise and then like every character [TS]

00:34:49   becomes relevant in in some specific way [TS]

00:34:53   which I would I you know again I find I [TS]

00:34:56   find that a little a little [TS]

00:34:57   disappointing but I love interest Elba I [TS]

00:34:59   I don't really understand other than for [TS]

00:35:01   the machinations of trying to fool the [TS]

00:35:03   fool the viewers that he's got his [TS]

00:35:06   little machine that makes him less bumpy [TS]

00:35:08   sometimes I don't know is that he's a [TS]

00:35:13   good actor and I like the idea i like [TS]

00:35:14   the idea that a former like earth marine [TS]

00:35:18   put into Starfleet kind of [TS]

00:35:21   against his will gets lost in a wormhole [TS]

00:35:24   and basically like sort of like like on [TS]

00:35:26   being stranded on Ceti alpha five gets [TS]

00:35:29   all you know just become so embittered [TS]

00:35:31   by how they've led him here that he [TS]

00:35:34   finds this hate for the for the [TS]

00:35:36   Federation I i can accept all of that [TS]

00:35:38   but the details kind of like the fact [TS]

00:35:41   that he's on a planet with lots of [TS]

00:35:43   mining stuff boy mining stuff is [TS]

00:35:44   dangerous by the way in Star Trek watch [TS]

00:35:46   out for it that he's got he's able to [TS]

00:35:48   tap into the communications of Starfleet [TS]

00:35:50   he's close enough apparently to earth [TS]

00:35:53   now that he can he can be right on their [TS]

00:35:56   borders in this nebula [TS]

00:35:58   I don't know I I the more I started to [TS]

00:36:00   think about it the more than I realized [TS]

00:36:02   that it was it was way too engineered [TS]

00:36:05   for something that probably could have [TS]

00:36:06   worked if it was simpler and the the [TS]

00:36:08   mysterious weapon that just happens to [TS]

00:36:10   be floating in space in a place where he [TS]

00:36:12   was able to get part of it but not all [TS]

00:36:14   of it and then Kirk happens to end up [TS]

00:36:16   with it on the enterprise I'd that that [TS]

00:36:19   all know what you Gary be a funny and [TS]

00:36:20   fun plot when I was like an ancient [TS]

00:36:22   weapon from our culture but incidents [TS]

00:36:23   like he's just a dude from Earth who's [TS]

00:36:25   been like looking on ebay for them to [TS]

00:36:28   sell both the cover to the box to the [TS]

00:36:30   murder weapon I I just well yeah it's [TS]

00:36:32   it's the thing that he was trying to [TS]

00:36:34   give the aliens in the very beginning of [TS]

00:36:35   the movie [TS]

00:36:36   yeah and and it was given to them as [TS]

00:36:39   part of this peace mission so it's not [TS]

00:36:42   it's not like he just sort of looked [TS]

00:36:44   into it right but yeah it's it is how to [TS]

00:36:47   get from point A to point B that's the [TS]

00:36:49   thing yeah he had a huge coincidence I i [TS]

00:36:51   think they were there were few too many [TS]

00:36:53   things that got sort of trimmed to say [TS]

00:36:55   hey we need more action let's take a [TS]

00:36:58   little of this detail we don't need this [TS]

00:36:59   detail but we need the character stuff i [TS]

00:37:01   loved the character stuff I loved that [TS]

00:37:03   it didn't take its time with so now [TS]

00:37:05   cross just too complicated [TS]

00:37:07   yeah if you need that much detail to [TS]

00:37:09   explain crawl simplify crawl right right [TS]

00:37:12   right yeah it's exactly and and they [TS]

00:37:14   just took away too many little details [TS]

00:37:16   like for instance i had no idea how he [TS]

00:37:18   was supposed to be making himself look [TS]

00:37:20   that way and how he managed to change [TS]

00:37:22   into mostly human by the end and now [TS]

00:37:25   I've seen it explain when you get here [TS]

00:37:28   he sucks the life out of right on a [TS]

00:37:31   Starfleet people that I got but part of [TS]

00:37:34   it [TS]

00:37:34   is that he supposedly absorbs part of [TS]

00:37:37   them them into him and that alters his [TS]

00:37:40   appearance throughout yeah i didn't i [TS]

00:37:42   didn't notice that up until the last [TS]

00:37:44   scene so now i want to see it again to [TS]

00:37:46   see does he really changed through the [TS]

00:37:47   whole movie does he look a little [TS]

00:37:49   different and he changes a couple of [TS]

00:37:50   times M one of the things that I really [TS]

00:37:53   liked about the the trailer and that i [TS]

00:37:56   actually was disappointed in the movie [TS]

00:37:58   was I really like the idea where we're [TS]

00:38:01   crawl says what this is where the [TS]

00:38:02   frontier pushes back right like the idea [TS]

00:38:05   like Star Trek is going to say what if [TS]

00:38:06   there's an alien race out there that [TS]

00:38:08   that is like doesn't like the Federation [TS]

00:38:10   doesn't like the idea that everybody's [TS]

00:38:11   trying to be friends that they are they [TS]

00:38:13   wanna you know they don't want this they [TS]

00:38:15   want to upset in some way I I like that [TS]

00:38:17   idea [TS]

00:38:18   it's completely undercut because in the [TS]

00:38:20   end it's just a guy from the Federation [TS]

00:38:22   who's mad added because I mean he's not [TS]

00:38:25   that different from Nero sorry mirror [TS]

00:38:27   was really boring [TS]

00:38:28   he's more interesting with nero recently [TS]

00:38:30   and it's just like mine and bent on [TS]

00:38:32   revenge again again using mining [TS]

00:38:35   equipment to destroy some mining [TS]

00:38:36   equipment in the end of that he's he's [TS]

00:38:39   scared of the frontier he's scared of [TS]

00:38:41   the unknown and that's what sort of [TS]

00:38:44   pushes him too bad he's not he's not [TS]

00:38:46   he's he's not scared of it he wants to [TS]

00:38:48   beat it up [TS]

00:38:49   he's a war out and he annoyed that the [TS]

00:38:51   Federation has turned in [TS]

00:38:53   he has earned everything in his life is [TS]

00:38:56   about battles and winning and the fed [TS]

00:38:58   all of a sudden Federation comes along [TS]

00:39:00   and were like hey kumbaya let's all [TS]

00:39:03   explore and we're not we're ready [TS]

00:39:05   no more money everybody's cool here's a [TS]

00:39:08   ship man go looking for cool stuff and [TS]

00:39:10   come back if you want to you have five [TS]

00:39:12   years and it's just not what he wants to [TS]

00:39:16   be doing clearly and then they don't [TS]

00:39:18   they don't rescue him and so is like [TS]

00:39:20   look I did everything you wanted to do [TS]

00:39:21   and you stuck me here and nobody's [TS]

00:39:23   coming to rescue me [TS]

00:39:24   so clearly the obvious thing for me to [TS]

00:39:26   do is to take all this mining drones [TS]

00:39:29   equipment make some kind of ridiculous [TS]

00:39:32   plan to get a super weapon and kill [TS]

00:39:33   millions of people [TS]

00:39:35   yeah you did you brought it on yourself [TS]

00:39:36   Federation [TS]

00:39:38   you guys are not making me feel better [TS]

00:39:41   about this movie I I could say I could [TS]

00:39:45   there are few things that I like I [TS]

00:39:46   actually quite like the the reveal of [TS]

00:39:48   sulu being gay because I felt like that [TS]

00:39:51   was handled it was so low-key it's so [TS]

00:39:54   sweet and they didn't like Hank [TS]

00:39:57   lampshade on it or anything they just [TS]

00:39:58   you know was like this here is a moment [TS]

00:40:01   where we need our art you know main [TS]

00:40:03   hunky character to to look at a family [TS]

00:40:05   and be wistful and they just chose to [TS]

00:40:07   have that family be you know to dads in [TS]

00:40:09   a kid I was like that's that is a nice [TS]

00:40:11   way to do that [TS]

00:40:12   that's right and that dad is Doug Jung [TS]

00:40:15   who is the corrections correctly i don't [TS]

00:40:18   know well here apparently the actor that [TS]

00:40:20   cast fell out at the last minute and so [TS]

00:40:22   they're like Doug guess what [TS]

00:40:25   all right there he said actually over [TS]

00:40:27   the interview I ride with him is his [TS]

00:40:29   response was I don't think I'm [TS]

00:40:30   attractive enough to be John shows [TS]

00:40:32   husbands and they're like I just put on [TS]

00:40:34   the put on the outfit dude just don't [TS]

00:40:36   worry about it a little better don't [TS]

00:40:37   worry it's the future man there's no [TS]

00:40:39   money and it's all cool your character's [TS]

00:40:42   personality its Great Spirit don't I i [TS]

00:40:45   liked a lot of the like i said i like [TS]

00:40:47   that i like the look of it I liked I [TS]

00:40:49   liked a bunch of the scenes I like a lot [TS]

00:40:52   of the character interactions even some [TS]

00:40:54   things that from the trailer I thought [TS]

00:40:56   come on like like the motorcycle [TS]

00:40:59   I thought the motorcycle stuff was fine [TS]

00:41:00   again they set up jailers little [TS]

00:41:02   holo-emitters thing where she can be in [TS]

00:41:04   three places at once but but the other [TS]

00:41:06   two are Holograms they set that up and [TS]

00:41:08   then they paid it off her missed that [TS]

00:41:10   turns into rocks or whatever yeah yeah a [TS]

00:41:13   language which is funny lot of funny [TS]

00:41:15   dialogue women when people getting [TS]

00:41:16   rescued great stuff with with Spock [TS]

00:41:18   McCoy where Spock is injured and McCoys [TS]

00:41:20   taking care of him all of that stuff was [TS]

00:41:22   really good [TS]

00:41:23   yeah honestly when it was one of Spock [TS]

00:41:25   and McCoy or Scotty and jayla that i was [TS]

00:41:29   i was happy [TS]

00:41:31   pretty much everybody else was kinda [TS]

00:41:32   like me please go back to the Caribbean [TS]

00:41:34   excited I fruit for me this this was the [TS]

00:41:38   first time I really bought all of them [TS]

00:41:40   as their characters i mean i enjoyed [TS]

00:41:43   enjoyed 2009 don't get me wrong on [TS]

00:41:45   I have a lot of problems with it i have [TS]

00:41:47   a lot of problems with into darkness and [TS]

00:41:49   more the more times i watch it the more [TS]

00:41:51   i dislike it [TS]

00:41:53   this was the first time I I really [TS]

00:41:54   bought all of them as the characters and [TS]

00:41:57   and so those those interactions did have [TS]

00:41:59   a little more weight to them like i [TS]

00:42:01   don't i don't know that they could have [TS]

00:42:03   gotten away with some of that Spock and [TS]

00:42:04   McCoy stuff in 2009 because right it is [TS]

00:42:08   a nerd it isn't there [TS]

00:42:09   where is this yeah I mean yeah that's [TS]

00:42:12   see that's part of what i enjoy i'm [TS]

00:42:14   willing to forgive certain plot [TS]

00:42:16   shortcuts to get the rest of this which [TS]

00:42:20   I didn't see in the other the other two [TS]

00:42:23   no I i get that I mean I i think that i [TS]

00:42:26   think that there are lots of things [TS]

00:42:27   wrong with the plot and the filling and [TS]

00:42:30   some of the direction but the character [TS]

00:42:31   stuff is is good and fun and I can see [TS]

00:42:35   why people say things like it's like a [TS]

00:42:37   star trek episode or reminded me of the [TS]

00:42:39   original star trek in that way which is [TS]

00:42:42   which is you get the sense that they've [TS]

00:42:44   day these characters have been together [TS]

00:42:45   a long time the actors have earned the [TS]

00:42:48   shorthand of thinking about the the not [TS]

00:42:50   just the relationships in these movies [TS]

00:42:52   but the relationships these characters [TS]

00:42:54   had in the past movies and TV show you [TS]

00:42:56   get you can kind of extrapolate you [TS]

00:42:58   granted to them and and they use that [TS]

00:43:00   and they show you their character they [TS]

00:43:02   know each other and that they've served [TS]

00:43:04   together and that gives you them license [TS]

00:43:07   to have those character moments that are [TS]

00:43:08   all you know all fun i think i think [TS]

00:43:11   it's amazing that in this third movie [TS]

00:43:12   they take the time to do what they felt [TS]

00:43:15   like they needed to do for fans in the [TS]

00:43:17   original Star Trek movies because you [TS]

00:43:19   know we had those those seventy-odd [TS]

00:43:22   episodes of the original Star Trek that [TS]

00:43:24   everybody watch for 20 years [TS]

00:43:25   that's what they were servicing here [TS]

00:43:27   it's just third movie but you know the [TS]

00:43:29   casting was really good in star trek [TS]

00:43:31   2009 and they kind of earnings at this [TS]

00:43:33   point [TS]

00:43:34   yeah and I mean at the end when when [TS]

00:43:36   Spock is going through a ambassador [TS]

00:43:39   Spock's belongings and he opens up that [TS]

00:43:42   picture and and it's the original cast [TS]

00:43:45   and I I I teared up I yeah yeah I teared [TS]

00:43:50   up there is somebody sitting behind me [TS]

00:43:51   who was literally sobbing I believe [TS]

00:43:55   there are several I believe that and and [TS]

00:43:57   you know i didn't i didn't think they [TS]

00:43:59   were going to [TS]

00:43:59   go there I didn't think it would hit me [TS]

00:44:02   like that once I realized what they were [TS]

00:44:03   doing and and the weight of it I've seen [TS]

00:44:07   I've seen a couple of people and the [TS]

00:44:08   couple of critics complain about oh you [TS]

00:44:11   know why is Spock morning Spock that's [TS]

00:44:13   kind of it's not like they hung out all [TS]

00:44:15   the time I know these people that have [TS]

00:44:17   hearts [TS]

00:44:18   it's what it's not just that he's [TS]

00:44:19   confronting his own mortality although [TS]

00:44:21   it is that it is it is girls me and I [TS]

00:44:24   have died or even that you know here's [TS]

00:44:26   this much older version of him who has [TS]

00:44:28   had all of these amazing adventures and [TS]

00:44:30   done done all of these things to change [TS]

00:44:32   the universe and save the universe but [TS]

00:44:35   he's also confronting the fact that it's [TS]

00:44:38   this this family of seven right yes crew [TS]

00:44:40   of seven that stuck together through [TS]

00:44:42   everything and that you know and just [TS]

00:44:44   that be was beautiful and and you know [TS]

00:44:49   and I even in the moment i thought back [TS]

00:44:51   to the the part of into darkness where [TS]

00:44:53   Kirk dies and spot looks at the sky and [TS]

00:44:55   goes God which isn't earned in that [TS]

00:44:59   movie not as best moment but it doesn't [TS]

00:45:01   make any sense except you know if you [TS]

00:45:03   know wrath of cut and and this was the [TS]

00:45:06   complete hundred eighty from that this [TS]

00:45:07   was a beautifully rock moment and just [TS]

00:45:12   just that they were able to do that and [TS]

00:45:14   pull it off I thought was very nice it [TS]

00:45:16   was very understated to that's the other [TS]

00:45:17   thing i like a lot of the interactions [TS]

00:45:19   were very understated they weren't like [TS]

00:45:21   hey look at us [TS]

00:45:22   also no lens flares very few very few [TS]

00:45:26   lens flares although i was a seeing a [TS]

00:45:29   conversation on Twitter earlier some of [TS]

00:45:31   the special effects are our kind of [TS]

00:45:33   shaky [TS]

00:45:33   yeah but they didn't use ilm for this [TS]

00:45:37   movie and it shows it shows it does [TS]

00:45:43   once again they you know they sort of [TS]

00:45:44   cheaped out on the star trek special [TS]

00:45:45   effects in there there's some good stuff [TS]

00:45:47   that the Yorktown is beautiful [TS]

00:45:49   there's a weird stuff myojo steal our [TS]

00:45:52   friend who is reviewing this movie on [TS]

00:45:55   daddy focused so look for that was [TS]

00:45:59   talking about how he doesn't love [TS]

00:46:00   there's that perspective shot where [TS]

00:46:01   you're looking at kind of like the the [TS]

00:46:03   the neck of the of that connects the two [TS]

00:46:06   sections of the enterprise and that's [TS]

00:46:08   what you're watching when it goes into [TS]

00:46:09   warp which is a weird angle and I don't [TS]

00:46:12   think that [TS]

00:46:12   get and that the that the work by the [TS]

00:46:14   warp-drive effect is also kind of [TS]

00:46:16   strange and I i agree i don't think [TS]

00:46:19   those work particularly well that said I [TS]

00:46:22   really do like the swarm of ships [TS]

00:46:24   attacking the enterprise and destroying [TS]

00:46:27   it i think that looks really good and is [TS]

00:46:29   not something that I feel like I've seen [TS]

00:46:32   before so I think they're good [TS]

00:46:33   there's good stuff too oh yeah during [TS]

00:46:35   that second during that part i was i was [TS]

00:46:37   thinking of nothing so much as more than [TS]

00:46:40   1 D&D campaign being attacked by a swarm [TS]

00:46:42   which are my least favorite thing to be [TS]

00:46:43   attacked by Scott don't listen don't so [TS]

00:46:46   no i don't and yes i was just i actually [TS]

00:46:50   did sort of feel their frustration more [TS]

00:46:53   than I think i would have otherwise [TS]

00:46:55   because yeah fighting this morning's [TS]

00:46:56   really hard so I you know good for [TS]

00:46:58   trying enterprise but there's nothing [TS]

00:47:01   you can do person and yeah the moment [TS]

00:47:03   when you know you're watching that and [TS]

00:47:04   you think oh they just want to destroy [TS]

00:47:05   the enterprise and then the moment when [TS]

00:47:07   they start attacking the the lifeboat [TS]

00:47:09   ships was I was I don't know what are [TS]

00:47:12   they doing and I guess they're just [TS]

00:47:14   capturing them for some unknown reason I [TS]

00:47:15   don't know why they were doing that to [TS]

00:47:17   use to keep the crew so they could drain [TS]

00:47:18   the manga second suck their life out of [TS]

00:47:21   them and get the the thingy because [TS]

00:47:24   Soviet crawl has been doing everyone's [TS]

00:47:26   logs so he can somehow I guess what's [TS]

00:47:29   happening at it doesn't make much sense [TS]

00:47:31   but no one one shot i did really like is [TS]

00:47:33   where I guess it's when Kirk rejects [TS]

00:47:37   from the saucer and the social keeps [TS]

00:47:39   going forward and you just see his [TS]

00:47:41   reflection as he's watching the ship [TS]

00:47:43   that was very nice and I'm i'm usually [TS]

00:47:46   reflection shots are getting our gimmick [TS]

00:47:49   so it takes a lot for me to like 1i like [TS]

00:47:52   that [TS]

00:47:52   yeah i thought that was good i also like [TS]

00:47:54   when they crashed the saucer which [TS]

00:47:55   brought back yes structure generations [TS]

00:47:57   to me i like that because that you feel [TS]

00:47:59   very final and then they go back there [TS]

00:48:01   and that little bit of its much someone [TS]

00:48:05   of it [TS]

00:48:05   yeah i thought that was really great [TS]

00:48:07   that they don't know it'sit's yes crash [TS]

00:48:09   we're gonna go back into the crash and [TS]

00:48:11   and get some stuff and smush the lady [TS]

00:48:14   who doesn't who has to be speak through [TS]

00:48:16   the translator which I like that part [TS]

00:48:18   that with the swishing i like but having [TS]

00:48:21   the [TS]

00:48:21   the traffic i like that the part where [TS]

00:48:23   she had to step into like the universal [TS]

00:48:25   translator booth or whatever and then [TS]

00:48:27   yeah give her a little thing I like all [TS]

00:48:28   that [TS]

00:48:29   yeah and I i like i like that subplot to [TS]

00:48:33   of of showing Kirk thinking a couple [TS]

00:48:36   moves a hit he's playing [TS]

00:48:37   three-dimensional chess which you don't [TS]

00:48:40   often see in these movies certain yeah [TS]

00:48:42   there's a nice moment with so check out [TS]

00:48:44   these interactions in this movie are [TS]

00:48:47   very much sort of like watching Kirk [TS]

00:48:50   work and there's a nice moment where he [TS]

00:48:53   says how how long did you know and he's [TS]

00:48:56   like well not right away but you know [TS]

00:48:57   i'm kurt kinda like works tells him like [TS]

00:48:59   how he figured it out but I i like i [TS]

00:49:02   like some of those moments to where it's [TS]

00:49:03   that kind of mentoring thing course very [TS]

00:49:05   sad and elgin died then you know This Is [TS]

00:49:07   It this is it for checkoff he you know [TS]

00:49:09   he did a good job he he's doing what I [TS]

00:49:11   think is fundamental that check out in [TS]

00:49:13   the original series 2 which is that he's [TS]

00:49:15   very young and has a lot to learn he's [TS]

00:49:18   very capable but he has a lot to learn [TS]

00:49:19   and here he sort of learning about being [TS]

00:49:22   you know being a commander and and the [TS]

00:49:25   tricks that Captain Kirk as and i like [TS]

00:49:27   that pairing I thought that was an [TS]

00:49:29   interesting little love little pairing [TS]

00:49:31   between those two armed [TS]

00:49:34   oh I wanted to mention the other thing [TS]

00:49:36   that I i thought i saw in the trailer [TS]

00:49:37   that made me roll my eyes that I [TS]

00:49:38   actually you know that and people after [TS]

00:49:42   they saw the movie where we're talking [TS]

00:49:43   about that i really liked which was [TS]

00:49:46   using the Beastie Boys yes yes yes it [TS]

00:49:50   was broad and it was silly and yet I [TS]

00:49:52   felt like it was properly set up the [TS]

00:49:53   fact that that jayla is listening to [TS]

00:49:56   fight the power earlier and Scotty make [TS]

00:49:59   talks about the classical music and all [TS]

00:50:00   that she says she likes the beat and all [TS]

00:50:01   of that and and again this is a movie [TS]

00:50:04   where every single thing that you see is [TS]

00:50:06   set up for later in the movie baby comes [TS]

00:50:09   back around but the fact that they know [TS]

00:50:11   that it's funny and that the and that [TS]

00:50:13   she pick sabotage and that Kirk goes [TS]

00:50:15   good choice and like is that classical [TS]

00:50:18   music all of those jokes i had that they [TS]

00:50:20   have to use the radial pulse to disrupt [TS]

00:50:22   the things I know it's silly I know it's [TS]

00:50:25   very somebody said very very much like a [TS]

00:50:27   doctor who plot resolution [TS]

00:50:28   yeah but you know what I felt like they [TS]

00:50:30   set it up properly and it just made me I [TS]

00:50:32   just enjoyed it [TS]

00:50:33   I I don't have [TS]

00:50:34   my eyes I wasn't cynical about it was [TS]

00:50:36   like you know what it sabotage again [TS]

00:50:38   like in the first movie and it's funny [TS]

00:50:40   and let's do it like the Beastie Boys [TS]

00:50:43   win ok to me that retro actively makes [TS]

00:50:46   it work and in 2009 I didn't like it in [TS]

00:50:48   the 2009 when I was like come on this is [TS]

00:50:50   stupid and is this makes it pay off [TS]

00:50:53   this is a beautiful use of it and I mean [TS]

00:50:56   I i think i said in slack [TS]

00:50:58   it's almost like a throwaway gag from [TS]

00:51:01   spaced come to life it's like you know [TS]

00:51:03   what if the enterprise had to you know [TS]

00:51:05   fight off the thing using radio and [TS]

00:51:07   these wrap something rap yeah it just [TS]

00:51:11   seems like a joke simon pegg would have [TS]

00:51:13   made years and years ago and now he gets [TS]

00:51:14   to actually make it happen and I i like [TS]

00:51:17   that i thought that was great [TS]

00:51:18   yeah that that scene actually it it kind [TS]

00:51:21   of won me over at the beginning of it I [TS]

00:51:23   was not I was not on board simply [TS]

00:51:25   because the way that everything was put [TS]

00:51:28   together it was like this is supposed to [TS]

00:51:29   be a really fun scene like you're [TS]

00:51:32   supposed to go along for the ride and at [TS]

00:51:33   that point I kind of had been having a [TS]

00:51:35   lot of fun to the rest of the movie so I [TS]

00:51:37   was like you haven't earned this film [TS]

00:51:39   like why am i why should i be having [TS]

00:51:40   little bit but the music for LG [TS]

00:51:44   entertain me with the music and and just [TS]

00:51:47   the way everything had been properly [TS]

00:51:49   setup at least 44 for that particular [TS]

00:51:51   part it's sort of i couldn't help it i [TS]

00:51:54   ended up i was smiling by the end of it [TS]

00:51:56   and I i liked it in spite of my in spite [TS]

00:51:59   of myself so so yeah it it took a couple [TS]

00:52:02   of of seconds for me to sort of settle [TS]

00:52:04   into it because I was like wait a minute [TS]

00:52:06   what are you trying to do to be movie [TS]

00:52:07   but you know what it did it to me [TS]

00:52:09   so there you go there's some there's [TS]

00:52:11   some joy to that seem right like that [TS]

00:52:12   they're kind of their kind of moving to [TS]

00:52:14   the music and they are doing their job [TS]

00:52:16   and they are beating the bad guy and [TS]

00:52:18   they have figured it out and they're [TS]

00:52:19   smart and they're going to win all of [TS]

00:52:21   those things happen in that moment which [TS]

00:52:23   is which is what really gets me on its [TS]

00:52:25   side to is like everybody's having a [TS]

00:52:26   good time being the bad guy [TS]

00:52:29   yeah let's do this we're all having a [TS]

00:52:30   good time now and they figure it out as [TS]

00:52:33   a team [TS]

00:52:33   it isn't just current or Spock which is [TS]

00:52:36   a nice touch [TS]

00:52:37   it's like they all they all realize this [TS]

00:52:39   and they put it together together which [TS]

00:52:41   that was very nice [TS]

00:52:42   now once once they get into the Yorktown [TS]

00:52:45   and especially once they get to know [TS]

00:52:47   because you have to have the fist fight [TS]

00:52:50   I thought I i did think the setting of [TS]

00:52:54   the fist fight was clever I kind of [TS]

00:52:55   liked having you know a clear room and [TS]

00:52:57   you know in the middle of space where [TS]

00:53:00   we're gravity in the air of ya and I [TS]

00:53:03   like the weird gravity lot you know [TS]

00:53:04   again it was a clever concept was it [TS]

00:53:07   shot well I don't think so [TS]

00:53:08   I fundamentally i have a problem with [TS]

00:53:10   that you know the MacGuffin it is such a [TS]

00:53:12   MacGuffin like to literally to the point [TS]

00:53:14   of we have a box that if you open this [TS]

00:53:17   room with me I will kill everybody [TS]

00:53:19   it's just you know I don't know a I like [TS]

00:53:23   you said there's got to be a fistfight [TS]

00:53:24   at the end I guess I had that moment in [TS]

00:53:26   this movie where I thought oh I think [TS]

00:53:28   the problem with the series is that they [TS]

00:53:30   are they all it all last one [TS]

00:53:32   confrontation too long like in Star Trek [TS]

00:53:35   into darkness if they had ended it where [TS]

00:53:38   they defeat the the big ship and cons [TS]

00:53:42   ship crashes the end that's a or or con [TS]

00:53:46   ship is blown up and that's the end I [TS]

00:53:49   think that's a better i think that's a [TS]

00:53:50   better movie it is i think in in this [TS]

00:53:55   movie when as much as I like the look of [TS]

00:53:57   the Yorktown stuff I felt like they had [TS]

00:53:59   already earned their victory and so now [TS]

00:54:01   what are they what are they fighting for [TS]

00:54:03   its that double ending again and as much [TS]

00:54:05   as I liked the stuff in the inn in new [TS]

00:54:08   york town much better than I like the [TS]

00:54:10   fist fight and stuff on earth into [TS]

00:54:12   darkness it still felt like it was one [TS]

00:54:15   too many things [TS]

00:54:16   it's like let's do the end of into [TS]

00:54:18   darkness maybe a little bit more [TS]

00:54:20   interesting but it's still the same [TS]

00:54:21   thing [TS]

00:54:22   yeah yeah i'm also McCoy and Spock were [TS]

00:54:26   flying around in that little ship while [TS]

00:54:28   the whole climax goes on for a very long [TS]

00:54:30   time but yes we're well he did say he [TS]

00:54:33   didn't know how to land so I see if he's [TS]

00:54:35   always yes it is also he did a couple of [TS]

00:54:37   circuits in the hallway and exactly and [TS]

00:54:40   that place is really big swing from the [TS]

00:54:42   splashdown or something but knowing they [TS]

00:54:44   had to save save Kirk in the end what [TS]

00:54:47   have we not covered that that you think [TS]

00:54:49   we should mention well one of the I'm [TS]

00:54:52   not a person who [TS]

00:54:53   notices whether or not the special [TS]

00:54:56   effects are all that good but one of the [TS]

00:54:58   things that I did notice was there [TS]

00:55:00   seemed to be and this could be someone [TS]

00:55:02   can check the actual footage and see if [TS]

00:55:04   it's true or not but there seems to be a [TS]

00:55:05   lot more aliens just kind of milling [TS]

00:55:07   about in this movie and then in the [TS]

00:55:09   previous two which I really liked [TS]

00:55:11   because you always feel like you know [TS]

00:55:13   their budgets and things that you can't [TS]

00:55:14   have that many great aliens but it [TS]

00:55:17   always felt like there are humans all [TS]

00:55:18   over the place and then you've got [TS]

00:55:20   someone who looks kind of like a human [TS]

00:55:22   but he has a bump on the snows and [TS]

00:55:24   there's your alien this one they are [TS]

00:55:26   actually aliens kind of will not [TS]

00:55:28   actually put their representations of [TS]

00:55:30   aliens in this fictional universe that [TS]

00:55:33   are just kind of there at one of my [TS]

00:55:35   favorite moments in the movie is when [TS]

00:55:38   Kirk is off to separate the saucer and [TS]

00:55:41   he sees an dancin and he's like I need [TS]

00:55:43   your help and you think oh she's good [TS]

00:55:45   she's gonna help him you know with the [TS]

00:55:47   the separating separation of thought [TS]

00:55:49   yeah but then she disappears you like [TS]

00:55:51   what happened there and then spin once [TS]

00:55:53   again that you know Jason it gets paid [TS]

00:55:55   off later when she opens her head yes [TS]

00:55:58   open your head and out comes the part of [TS]

00:56:02   the government the top suit or whatever [TS]

00:56:04   because yeah then choose she's [TS]

00:56:06   disintegrated with it as a thank you [TS]

00:56:08   yeah she was kind of dumb I mean I like [TS]

00:56:11   I liked her aesthetic but but really i [TS]

00:56:15   don't i don't see why she gave up so [TS]

00:56:17   quickly like you know people are gonna [TS]

00:56:18   die [TS]

00:56:19   why don't you just use one of our main [TS]

00:56:20   characters you decide though I have to [TS]

00:56:22   say them [TS]

00:56:23   yes but overall I say thumbs up to [TS]

00:56:26   having lots of aliens everywhere because [TS]

00:56:27   it makes you feel like Star Trek has [TS]

00:56:31   budget I I loved all the the grace notes [TS]

00:56:34   and references and in jokes that you [TS]

00:56:38   know peg being a fan is going to put in [TS]

00:56:40   there right right down to McCoy wearing [TS]

00:56:45   a medallion at the very end like you [TS]

00:56:46   want to go back out there you go back [TS]

00:56:48   out there that was a nice touch and and [TS]

00:56:50   he admitted on twitter that yes that was [TS]

00:56:52   intentionally the the you know McCoy [TS]

00:56:55   showing up in the motion picture with [TS]

00:56:57   the medallion and when he they say yeah [TS]

00:57:00   whatever happened to the front whether [TS]

00:57:01   rumors that encounter giant green hand [TS]

00:57:03   and space yes [TS]

00:57:04   I I was the only person who laughed in [TS]

00:57:07   the room which was in the credits [TS]

00:57:09   yeah during the closing credits [TS]

00:57:10   sequences so there's a little leak and [TS]

00:57:11   see like just this the side of a giant [TS]

00:57:13   green hands like a look at know there's [TS]

00:57:16   a lot of little bits a lot of movie [TS]

00:57:18   things like i said i felt like i was [TS]

00:57:19   reminded of many Star Trek movies good [TS]

00:57:23   and bad in the little bits that they [TS]

00:57:26   took that I I felt were you know kind of [TS]

00:57:29   intentional like the dune buggies in [TS]

00:57:31   emphasis is echoed by the by the [TS]

00:57:34   motorcycle and we got the enterprise [TS]

00:57:36   blowing up that land which is in [TS]

00:57:37   although practically all the Star Trek [TS]

00:57:39   movies but you got kirk's a curse whole [TS]

00:57:41   thing with his his birthday bothering [TS]

00:57:43   him and him thinking about being an [TS]

00:57:45   admiral that's a that's a call back i [TS]

00:57:47   had those interaction feelings about [TS]

00:57:50   about crawl that you know I is a bunch [TS]

00:57:54   of different star trek movies kind of [TS]

00:57:55   remember it all and episodes too and I [TS]

00:57:58   saw a lot of deficits [TS]

00:58:00   oh yeah so you know in the end I want to [TS]

00:58:03   see it again [TS]

00:58:04   um I didn't I didn't dislike it i just [TS]

00:58:06   found it I found it kind of flawed and [TS]

00:58:09   I'm disappointed i guess that the plot [TS]

00:58:11   didn't make more sense that the address [TS]

00:58:13   elva wasn't better used I felt like you [TS]

00:58:16   know the plot was engineered to get us a [TS]

00:58:18   moment of surprise about his origin that [TS]

00:58:22   it didn't really earn and that made him [TS]

00:58:24   actually like much worse of villain [TS]

00:58:26   because his story was to truncated and [TS]

00:58:29   obfuscate adapt and it's too bad that he [TS]

00:58:34   could have been a straightforward alien [TS]

00:58:35   or a straightforward angry human and it [TS]

00:58:37   would have been fine but instead he's [TS]

00:58:39   like a magic trick and it's not as good [TS]

00:58:42   that way so you know that it's just bits [TS]

00:58:45   of it that I i disappoint me but it's [TS]

00:58:48   not a bad movie i would say i think it's [TS]

00:58:50   a good I think it's a good movie by the [TS]

00:58:52   standards of star trek to as we've done [TS]

00:58:53   on several episodes there have been some [TS]

00:58:55   really bad Star Trek movies this is one [TS]

00:58:58   of those I just was hoping I think for [TS]

00:59:00   more than I know I got and I have to [TS]

00:59:02   sort of take my pleasure in the parts of [TS]

00:59:04   it that I do like which is the character [TS]

00:59:06   bits and some of the visuals and and a [TS]

00:59:08   few v specific scenes there there are a [TS]

00:59:10   lot of scenes that could have been [TS]

00:59:11   better lit oh it's so dark it's so dark [TS]

00:59:14   I saw 3d showing and that makes it even [TS]

00:59:16   darker [TS]

00:59:17   and-and-and like the scenes the fight [TS]

00:59:20   scenes on the enterprise [TS]

00:59:21   I couldn't even see it wasn't even on [TS]

00:59:23   camera movement I couldn't see what was [TS]

00:59:25   happening it was so dark and yeah I I [TS]

00:59:28   and i don't know i hope that would look [TS]

00:59:31   better in a 2d screening but maybe not [TS]

00:59:33   AJ's not what I had and I just had [TS]

00:59:36   moments in the in the enterprise a [TS]

00:59:38   boarding scenes where I i thought to [TS]

00:59:41   myself i have no idea what the hell is [TS]

00:59:43   going on now because I can't see [TS]

00:59:46   anything when when they go back to the [TS]

00:59:48   saucer it's the same thing it's you know [TS]

00:59:50   it's darker than the saucer flips and [TS]

00:59:52   you go okay yeah yeah i think overall [TS]

00:59:55   for me I i would say maybe like roughly [TS]

00:59:59   a quarter [TS]

00:59:59   a quarter [TS]

01:00:00   of the film and i don't mean this [TS]

01:00:01   chronologically I mean of everything put [TS]

01:00:02   together and I think I actually disliked [TS]

01:00:05   about a quarter of it there's a quarter [TS]

01:00:07   of that i thought was just kind of man [TS]

01:00:09   there was a quarter but I sort of liked [TS]

01:00:11   and there's a quarter that I really did [TS]

01:00:13   like so I mean on the in the whole ends [TS]

01:00:15   up being positive but it was really kind [TS]

01:00:17   of a wide split their their peaks and [TS]

01:00:20   valleys that were sharper than I had [TS]

01:00:22   hoped going in Scotts quite a journey [TS]

01:00:25   I enjoyed the movie it's not perfect [TS]

01:00:29   obviously star trek though I was excited [TS]

01:00:31   to see ya [TS]

01:00:32   no matter what its form is and I think [TS]

01:00:36   they mean the cast is great [TS]

01:00:38   yes so that the NBA I feel like they [TS]

01:00:40   even in 2009 felt like they were kind of [TS]

01:00:43   clicking into the carrier the characters [TS]

01:00:45   that they were playing pretty well and [TS]

01:00:46   now they're doing even better than they [TS]

01:00:49   were before so it's just fun and that's [TS]

01:00:51   why I like Star Trek is because the [TS]

01:00:53   characters interact with each other so [TS]

01:00:55   the rest of it is just kind of fun for [TS]

01:00:57   me so that if I enjoy the character [TS]

01:01:00   interactions and I feel like the [TS]

01:01:02   characters are acting the way that I [TS]

01:01:04   think they would in these situations i'm [TS]

01:01:06   happy and in some Star Trek movies you [TS]

01:01:08   don't get the head so i think this one [TS]

01:01:11   hit that base for me so kudos to them [TS]

01:01:15   for that you know I i wonder how much of [TS]

01:01:17   it is the weight of being the 50th [TS]

01:01:19   anniversary of the show right [TS]

01:01:22   how how much weight they feel they had [TS]

01:01:24   to put into all of these references and [TS]

01:01:27   all of these you know it because it's [TS]

01:01:29   guy I had the same feeling with the [TS]

01:01:30   specter the Bond film where it's like [TS]

01:01:33   here's a bond reference and here's a [TS]

01:01:34   bond reference and they forgot to [TS]

01:01:35   actually make a good movie and and this [TS]

01:01:38   i thought was better than Specter but [TS]

01:01:40   you know would would have been with [TS]

01:01:43   they've had more freedom to craft the [TS]

01:01:46   script more they I know they wrote the [TS]

01:01:48   script very quickly to my life I feel [TS]

01:01:50   like maybe this is the pressure that [TS]

01:01:51   Simon Pegg felt as a as a fan to do [TS]

01:01:54   right by the franchise right at two yeah [TS]

01:01:56   like I said I i think it was fine [TS]

01:02:00   I the things that i liked about it i [TS]

01:02:01   really really like and intervene [TS]

01:02:05   yeah it's five days out since i saw it i [TS]

01:02:08   buy i changed into darkness about two [TS]

01:02:10   weeks after i saw but I think I will [TS]

01:02:13   end up watching this more than certainly [TS]

01:02:15   more than into darkness maybe even more [TS]

01:02:17   than the 2009 when I don't know let's [TS]

01:02:20   see but I it's just those interactions [TS]

01:02:22   were so good for me [TS]

01:02:24   well the the other thing i thought when [TS]

01:02:25   i left the theater was you know what the [TS]

01:02:27   next new star trek is it's a TV show [TS]

01:02:31   that's right anywhere it's true [TS]

01:02:34   not available on your TV it no we went [TS]

01:02:37   if you're my ambulatory for the world [TS]

01:02:40   you can get it on netflix if you're in [TS]

01:02:42   canada can watch it on space and if [TS]

01:02:44   you're in the u.s. you get to watch the [TS]

01:02:45   pilot on CBS and then you'll need to pay [TS]

01:02:47   for CBS all access but you know the [TS]

01:02:49   upside to that is that CBS all access [TS]

01:02:51   also includes all the star trek series [TS]

01:02:53   as well so you can watch all the Star [TS]

01:02:55   Trek that you want and I think I is so [TS]

01:02:58   that that was gonna be my last topic [TS]

01:02:59   before we go thinking about the star [TS]

01:03:02   trek discovery is now the the name of it [TS]

01:03:04   and I was thinking about about where [TS]

01:03:07   where the star trek franchise goes and [TS]

01:03:09   the box office for Star Trek beyond has [TS]

01:03:11   been ok it's not great and it's not as [TS]

01:03:13   good as the first two movies but it is [TS]

01:03:15   that it's still pretty good and internet [TS]

01:03:19   they're hoping for to do well [TS]

01:03:20   internationally because these these [TS]

01:03:22   three star trek movies have all been [TS]

01:03:24   released internationally and the first [TS]

01:03:26   two did very well internationally much [TS]

01:03:28   better than any star trek movies [TS]

01:03:29   previously so you know let's let's just [TS]

01:03:31   assume it's gonna do fine and they're [TS]

01:03:33   going to make a fourth movie [TS]

01:03:35   okay great i think about where this [TS]

01:03:39   franchise goes I think about like do [TS]

01:03:41   they want to marvel eyes it right and [TS]

01:03:43   have more movies that are not just about [TS]

01:03:45   this cast but our other movie set in the [TS]

01:03:47   star trek universe do what path they [TS]

01:03:48   want to go down and have a moment of [TS]

01:03:50   almost like an epiphany where I realized [TS]

01:03:53   the problem is first off I'm not sure [TS]

01:03:55   enough people love star trek for to be a [TS]

01:03:58   star wars style movie franchise as much [TS]

01:04:00   as I love star trek i'm not sure that [TS]

01:04:03   there are enough people and there's [TS]

01:04:05   enough money for them to put to make a [TS]

01:04:08   machine to release Star Trek movies [TS]

01:04:10   every every year but there's the bigger [TS]

01:04:13   picture we talked about and passed [TS]

01:04:14   incomparable episodes is Star Trek's not [TS]

01:04:17   a movie franchise you know it's just not [TS]

01:04:20   it's all its strength is in TV and [TS]

01:04:23   although you can make these movies and [TS]

01:04:25   if they make more that's great i'll pay [TS]

01:04:27   to see them in the end I think what's [TS]

01:04:30   what's behind peoples you know lack of [TS]

01:04:35   enthusiasm for its another sci-fi action [TS]

01:04:38   movie is just the fact that what a lot [TS]

01:04:41   of people want out of Star Trek is not [TS]

01:04:44   something a movie franchise can give [TS]

01:04:46   them because star trek is not a movie [TS]

01:04:48   franchise it's a TV series with some [TS]

01:04:51   spin-off movies so I that moment coming [TS]

01:04:53   out of the theater which is these movies [TS]

01:04:54   are nice i hope they make more of them [TS]

01:04:56   but at the same time I really am more [TS]

01:04:58   excited about coming back to TV because [TS]

01:05:00   I think that's what Star Trek is and I [TS]

01:05:01   think that Star Trek's like ideal form [TS]

01:05:03   that's what its best at and these things [TS]

01:05:05   are fun but even the original series [TS]

01:05:07   movies right [TS]

01:05:09   it's kind of up it's not what it's it's [TS]

01:05:11   not what Star Trek's good at its it's [TS]

01:05:13   not it's best destiny too huh [TS]

01:05:16   put in Captains terms yeah you know it [TS]

01:05:19   they made the right choice in recasting [TS]

01:05:23   in the way they were able to create a [TS]

01:05:25   second universe of Star Trek for the [TS]

01:05:27   movies because i think to the bulk of [TS]

01:05:29   the world star trek is Kirk and Spock [TS]

01:05:31   and McCoy and his other people who hang [TS]

01:05:33   out with them and that's fine [TS]

01:05:36   I you know I love them but i think you [TS]

01:05:39   know part of part of why we fell in love [TS]

01:05:41   with it was because we saw it every day [TS]

01:05:43   in syndication when we were kids and and [TS]

01:05:46   the generation after his got next [TS]

01:05:48   generation and deep space nine and [TS]

01:05:50   Voyager and got to see those every week [TS]

01:05:52   and then every day and for you know I [TS]

01:05:55   watch my kids it's it's a presence in [TS]

01:05:58   their lives because i like Star Trek [TS]

01:06:00   it's not because they're watching TV [TS]

01:06:02   it's not because there's a lot of choice [TS]

01:06:05   on TV and like you have you have to [TS]

01:06:06   physically make the choice to watch [TS]

01:06:08   stuff right [TS]

01:06:10   the stuff that's just you know if you [TS]

01:06:11   just turn on the TV it's probably going [TS]

01:06:13   to be friends or seinfeld or the big [TS]

01:06:15   bang theory and reality shows [TS]

01:06:17   so you have to actively choose to watch [TS]

01:06:20   something it's great that you can it's [TS]

01:06:22   great that it's all there on netflix and [TS]

01:06:23   CBS access and all that stuff but it [TS]

01:06:26   doesn't have the same presence for them [TS]

01:06:29   you know and and even star wars star [TS]

01:06:31   wars is omnipresent because of Disney [TS]

01:06:33   because of you know the same thing with [TS]

01:06:35   Marvel it's just everywhere and you go [TS]

01:06:37   to the mall and there's the store you go [TS]

01:06:39   here you go and [TS]

01:06:40   and I mean they were asking me where the [TS]

01:06:41   star trek toys and so while they're in [TS]

01:06:43   the specialty shops because nobody's [TS]

01:06:45   making them for this movie right it's [TS]

01:06:47   all the older stuff you know if it's [TS]

01:06:49   like it's just not there but if it's a [TS]

01:06:52   new TV show and if it's actively like [TS]

01:06:55   hey here's the thing here's a new thing [TS]

01:06:57   next week here's another one [TS]

01:06:58   the excitement you know the [TS]

01:07:00   eleven-year-old walked out friday night [TS]

01:07:02   and said when's the next one that was [TS]

01:07:04   amazing i want to see more [TS]

01:07:06   well you're gonna have to worry about [TS]

01:07:07   three or four years now we get to see [TS]

01:07:09   something that's going to be a little [TS]

01:07:10   brainier and tie into the whole universe [TS]

01:07:12   of 600 and however many episodes of [TS]

01:07:15   shows we've got and it's gonna be on [TS]

01:07:18   every week for a couple of weeks i like [TS]

01:07:20   that a little excited really felt that [TS]

01:07:24   one of the things you said early on [TS]

01:07:26   there and that's just talking about the [TS]

01:07:28   characters because when I think about [TS]

01:07:29   the parts of this movie that I like the [TS]

01:07:31   most [TS]

01:07:32   as I said before it was really the [TS]

01:07:33   character parts and for me the Platonic [TS]

01:07:37   ideal of Star Trek is absolutely a TV [TS]

01:07:40   show and that's in part because you get [TS]

01:07:43   a chance to like you said without it's [TS]

01:07:45   not just the repetition but it's the [TS]

01:07:47   fact that you get to spend more time [TS]

01:07:48   with these people and you get to know [TS]

01:07:51   them and I think the only reason that we [TS]

01:07:53   are feeling so warm and fuzzy with these [TS]

01:07:56   characters in the movies is because we [TS]

01:07:58   knew the prototype characters in the [TS]

01:08:01   show back in the day I i do not think [TS]

01:08:04   that I would have the same same feels [TS]

01:08:07   about those pairings on this movie if I [TS]

01:08:10   hadn't seen what can I went before [TS]

01:08:12   actually have a friend who had not seen [TS]

01:08:13   any of the Star Trek movies previously [TS]

01:08:15   done and I don't even know if she'd ever [TS]

01:08:18   seen the show and she went to this movie [TS]

01:08:19   was not particularly impressed by it and [TS]

01:08:21   I can't say I blame her because there's [TS]

01:08:23   the E the roots of this movie go back so [TS]

01:08:27   so deeply and it's because of the TV [TS]

01:08:30   show so i am looking forward to a new [TS]

01:08:33   crew a new type of star trek on [TS]

01:08:35   television that will have a chance to to [TS]

01:08:38   let those characters breathe and we'll [TS]

01:08:40   get to see them do more than just one [TS]

01:08:42   thing every couple years you know i wish [TS]

01:08:45   i wish the economics of entertainment [TS]

01:08:48   were such that we could watch even you [TS]

01:08:50   know six or eight hours of [TS]

01:08:53   these characters doing episodes right [TS]

01:08:57   because i think they would be very good [TS]

01:08:59   at it but they also it would never [TS]

01:09:03   they would not be able to afford them [TS]

01:09:04   right it's prohibitively expensive TV TV [TS]

01:09:07   and movies are getting closer together [TS]

01:09:09   and we may we may reach that point but [TS]

01:09:11   that's the unfortunate thing is that you [TS]

01:09:13   can get such a great cast but you can't [TS]

01:09:15   get them together for a TV show you can [TS]

01:09:16   only get them together every three or [TS]

01:09:18   four years for one movie and that's too [TS]

01:09:21   bad but that's the power of of TV is [TS]

01:09:23   they're going to cast cast for Star Trek [TS]

01:09:25   discovery and those people are going to [TS]

01:09:26   be together for at least that you know [TS]

01:09:29   10 hour or 13 hours or whatever they do [TS]

01:09:32   season and hopefully for more after that [TS]

01:09:35   so yeah [TS]

01:09:37   Star Trek so Scott do you do you gasps [TS]

01:09:40   when I said star trek is another [TS]

01:09:42   franchise but there what do you what do [TS]

01:09:44   you think I'm calling on your gasp well [TS]

01:09:47   technically I have to be that way it is [TS]

01:09:50   in fact a movie franchise but you know [TS]

01:09:52   it i agree with you that it is far [TS]

01:09:54   better suited as a television show [TS]

01:09:56   because as erica was saying you can have [TS]

01:09:58   I just watched an episode of deep space [TS]

01:10:01   nine for random track that focused on as [TS]

01:10:05   Redax for some unknown reason but a [TS]

01:10:06   whole hour of her going off and visiting [TS]

01:10:10   her family and you wouldn't that totally [TS]

01:10:12   would not be if they did a deep space [TS]

01:10:13   nine season 7 movie or season 8i guess [TS]

01:10:16   movie [TS]

01:10:17   you totally wouldn't have an 45 minutes [TS]

01:10:19   of that movie devoted to ESRI decks just [TS]

01:10:21   going off and chillin with her family [TS]

01:10:23   but when you have whatever 24 episodes [TS]

01:10:26   in the season you can do that because [TS]

01:10:28   you need to fill a lot of time basically [TS]

01:10:31   but you also get to see more of the [TS]

01:10:33   character and it develops and so it's [TS]

01:10:35   great so i am very excited for the TV [TS]

01:10:39   show to come I'm not excited for the [TS]

01:10:43   inevitable articles from Star Trek fans [TS]

01:10:46   that will tell me how this star trek [TS]

01:10:48   isn't real star track and he doesn't [TS]

01:10:50   Hugh to the Roddenberry wishes and all [TS]

01:10:54   the stuff and there's you know there's [TS]

01:10:56   too much of this and not enough of that [TS]

01:10:57   or [TS]

01:10:58   whatever there are always fans who are [TS]

01:11:00   ready to tell other fans that their [TS]

01:11:02   Fanning it wrong and as we've said [TS]

01:11:04   before on this very podcast those people [TS]

01:11:07   are bad people [TS]

01:11:09   nobody gets to tell other people what [TS]

01:11:12   they like extract I think it's like I [TS]

01:11:14   said earlier I think it's fine if you [TS]

01:11:16   you you don't like something that's cool [TS]

01:11:18   but uh you know nobody is the arbiter of [TS]

01:11:21   what makes something something even the [TS]

01:11:24   person who creates it is not the arbiter [TS]

01:11:26   of that once you such release it into [TS]

01:11:28   the public you lose all that control so [TS]

01:11:32   when you know going back to talk about [TS]

01:11:34   episodes thinking back on our favorite [TS]

01:11:37   Star Trek stories you know across all of [TS]

01:11:39   the media [TS]

01:11:41   what are you one of the best episodes [TS]

01:11:44   you know the inner light you're never [TS]

01:11:46   going to get a big screen movie that [TS]

01:11:48   tells the story of the inner light [TS]

01:11:49   that's a great story never gonna happen [TS]

01:11:53   in a big movie right [TS]

01:11:55   sitting on the edge of forever the [TS]

01:11:57   visitor no but it's gotta be big big [TS]

01:12:00   movie has to be what it has to be [TS]

01:12:02   yeah at and so basically what you're [TS]

01:12:04   getting is you're getting the action [TS]

01:12:05   sequence of a story and that's all you [TS]

01:12:08   get [TS]

01:12:08   because there aren't other na in a TV [TS]

01:12:12   season you can have all of those [TS]

01:12:13   different the ebb and flow and the [TS]

01:12:15   different kinds of stories being told [TS]

01:12:17   but in a in a blockbuster movie in the [TS]

01:12:19   Marvel movies have the same issue which [TS]

01:12:20   is I like civil war because it for many [TS]

01:12:24   reasons a that are some water starter [TS]

01:12:26   beyond a they spent they did some [TS]

01:12:28   character stuff and they're paying off [TS]

01:12:29   character things from previous movies [TS]

01:12:31   but in the end it's a you know there's a [TS]

01:12:35   maximum amount of time you can spend on [TS]

01:12:36   one of these movies to two-and-a-half [TS]

01:12:38   hours or whatever and you gotta you [TS]

01:12:40   gotta deliver because it's a giant [TS]

01:12:42   blockbuster movie not a quirky episode [TS]

01:12:45   of a TV show and that's just how the [TS]

01:12:47   economics work again you if you want to [TS]

01:12:49   pick Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto and [TS]

01:12:51   and so we settled on a united and Karl [TS]

01:12:54   Urban and everybody else you want to pay [TS]

01:12:56   all those people stuffs gonna blow up [TS]

01:12:58   just how it is a lot of it [TS]

01:13:01   yeah frequently and then they have to [TS]

01:13:03   fight something [TS]

01:13:04   yeah although i do wishin and this is [TS]

01:13:07   something that just that you said that I [TS]

01:13:08   wish they could the next movie perhaps [TS]

01:13:11   not have some kind of central villain [TS]

01:13:13   madman bent on revenge because each one [TS]

01:13:17   so far has done that maybe something [TS]

01:13:18   different [TS]

01:13:19   somebody else could be up to no good [TS]

01:13:21   where I got something [TS]

01:13:22   how about a planet-wide computer that [TS]

01:13:26   controls the culture and camping trip [TS]

01:13:28   and like talk to talking into blind [TS]

01:13:30   yourself up [TS]

01:13:31   I hope that the first little mini [TS]

01:13:33   episode of the next movie is that that [TS]

01:13:36   would be great [TS]

01:13:37   oh my god yeah i think the next one is [TS]

01:13:41   going to be traveling through time to [TS]

01:13:43   save Kirk's father because we can't we [TS]

01:13:45   can't let go of JJ's mystery box full of [TS]

01:13:48   daddy issues [TS]

01:13:49   yeah well soon we'll see I know they've [TS]

01:13:51   announced that the they're going to do a [TS]

01:13:53   movie and chris hemsworth is going to be [TS]

01:13:54   in it somehow as Kirk together but well [TS]

01:13:58   it's supposed to be written by the two [TS]

01:14:00   guys who were supposed to be reading [TS]

01:14:01   this one and then that got scrapped so [TS]

01:14:04   it's like well maybe that will get [TS]

01:14:05   scrapped to yeah that's that's my father [TS]

01:14:07   is that what movie will Simon Pegg right [TS]

01:14:09   when the first screenplay turns out to [TS]

01:14:11   be terribly did it fit inside the egg [TS]

01:14:13   back I'd be okay with simon pegg coming [TS]

01:14:15   back to write because i do think that he [TS]

01:14:17   is very very clear that he cares about [TS]

01:14:19   these characters that if you know it i [TS]

01:14:21   may have had trouble with the action [TS]

01:14:23   sequences and some of the plot stuff but [TS]

01:14:25   but he he's a fan and he cares and that [TS]

01:14:28   that goes a long way [TS]

01:14:30   that's what I said about Ghostbusters [TS]

01:14:32   last week which is I could feel the love [TS]

01:14:35   for the franchise [TS]

01:14:37   yeah by the creators while i watch the [TS]

01:14:40   movie like there's no doubt about it [TS]

01:14:42   that the people who wrote this this [TS]

01:14:44   movie care about Star Trek just in the [TS]

01:14:46   same way the people who wrote [TS]

01:14:47   Ghostbusters new Ghostbusters the [TS]

01:14:50   original backward and forward you can [TS]

01:14:52   feel it and I love that about it all [TS]

01:14:54   right I think we've reached the end of [TS]

01:14:56   our talk [TS]

01:14:57   we've gone beyond well beyond that's [TS]

01:15:00   what were they going beyond in that [TS]

01:15:02   movie I don't understand they were going [TS]

01:15:04   beyond the nebula [TS]

01:15:06   go beyond explain and explored space it [TS]

01:15:09   is so nebula by the way nebulas don't [TS]

01:15:11   work like that that's like saying we're [TS]

01:15:13   gonna try looking on a cloud over there [TS]

01:15:15   it's like it's just a cloud you go [TS]

01:15:17   around it there's lots of ways to go [TS]

01:15:18   around its but it's an unstable nebula [TS]

01:15:21   yeah well in Star Trek nebulas are not [TS]

01:15:23   like they are in reality I i justyou got [TS]

01:15:26   to go with that nebulas are like you [TS]

01:15:28   gotta think it's like that it's like the [TS]

01:15:29   Old West nebula is like a desert we just [TS]

01:15:32   don't know what's on the other side of [TS]

01:15:33   it and that's just just go get with the [TS]

01:15:35   metaphor but yes they went beyond the [TS]

01:15:37   nebula just like in the structure [TS]

01:15:39   against direction where there's an [TS]

01:15:40   unstable maybe alright i hope that goes [TS]

01:15:42   beyond the briar patch yeah right yeah [TS]

01:15:44   well least Spock wasn't like getting a [TS]

01:15:47   shave for more her in the bathtub in [TS]

01:15:49   this one boy [TS]

01:15:50   imagine taking that up because back then [TS]

01:15:56   okay okay before you making me think i [TS]

01:16:00   can get more thank you for going beyond [TS]

01:16:03   any time I'm gonna go listen to some [TS]

01:16:05   classical music okay Erica thank you for [TS]

01:16:08   going above and beyond [TS]

01:16:11   thank you you know it may be a tracking [TS]

01:16:13   device but I kind of want one of those [TS]

01:16:14   cute little necklaces are and Scott [TS]

01:16:18   multi you went above and beyond but it [TS]

01:16:20   is your call of duty as a Star Trek fan [TS]

01:16:23   yes okay well that's it for this episode [TS]

01:16:29   in Kabul and if we don't talk to you [TS]

01:16:31   before then will at the very least be [TS]

01:16:34   back with another star trek episode when [TS]

01:16:36   Star Trek discovery appears in January [TS]

01:16:39   2017 but until next week on the [TS]

01:16:42   uncomfortable I've been your host Jason [TS]

01:16:44   cell [TS]

01:16:44   goodbye everybody live long and prosper [TS]

01:16:46   yeah we'll say that [TS]

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