The Incomparable

311: Chekhov with Two H`s

 

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  the incomparable number 311 july 2016 [TS]

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  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  uncomfortable i am your host Jason snail [TS]

  and we're gonna do another flash cast [TS]

  that's two in a row i tell people that [TS]

  we don't talk about movies that are [TS]

  currently in theaters because it's very [TS]

  hard to get a panel together to talk [TS]

  about movies that are currently in [TS]

  theaters and yet we've done it two weeks [TS]

  in a row so don't get used to it is what [TS]

  I'm saying this may not ever happen [TS]

  again but we are going to talk about [TS]

  Star Trek beyond directed by Justin Lin [TS]

  with a script by Doug young and and [TS]

  simon pegg your buddy [TS]

  Scotty and joining me to talk about Star [TS]

  Trek beyond the latest the the [TS]

  what-is-it what-is-it I lost lost [TS]

  consciousness district 13 essentially if [TS]

  you count that high school bad omen blue [TS]

  joining me to talk about it [TS]

  David lower high a we've got no ship no [TS]

  crew how are we going to get out of this [TS]

  one [TS]

  we have a small crew a very ragtag group [TS]

  of rebels down on a planet where the [TS]

  erica and sign [TS]

  hi I'm a ragtag rebel who yeah barely [TS]

  there we go [TS]

  and Scott McNulty of course is here [TS]

  because I wouldn't talk about Star Trek [TS]

  without Scott Scott please state the [TS]

  nature of the medical emergency [TS]

  still not wearing pants oh thank you [TS]

  what what okay so started beyond it was [TS]

  it's here it's a it's interesting i've [TS]

  seen a lot of people that everybody was [TS]

  really negative after the trailer came [TS]

  out like they're like oh well Justin Lin [TS]

  he's a fast and furious director they're [TS]

  just going to give us an action movie [TS]

  I don't know how long it's going to take [TS]

  if ever for people to twig to the fact [TS]

  that if you make a large budget sci fi [TS]

  movie that drops in the summertime it's [TS]

  probably going to be a tentpole action [TS]

  movie even if it's called Star Trek [TS]

  because that's sort of the business that [TS]

  they're in and and so you know they used [TS]

  in action director here I i think i [TS]

  think this is a pretty ambitious movie I [TS]

  think there's a lot of action and I [TS]

  think they tried to do some stuff that [TS]

  was true star trek Lissa I'm gonna I'm [TS]

  gonna reverse everything that's going to [TS]

  be kind of topsy-turvy I wanted to ask [TS]

  everybody just upfront what were you [TS]

  what you know walking so walking out of [TS]

  the theater your first thoughts uh how [TS]

  do you feel this one rates in terms of [TS]

  the JJ Abrams Star Trek trilogy because [TS]

  JJ Abrams still producer on this even [TS]

  though he didn't direct it [TS]

  and maybe in terms of Star Trek movies [TS]

  as a whole [TS]

  David what about you I loved it I i [TS]

  walked out of the theater ready to see [TS]

  it again i know they announced the [TS]

  fourth one and I I want them to just let [TS]

  Simon Pegg do that one too just let them [TS]

  write it so where do you think your [TS]

  rates uh well i think it's it's for me [TS]

  it's the best of the JJ movies and and [TS]

  you know i think i have to see it again [TS]

  just to let it sink in but it's it's in [TS]

  the top third of all the trek movies for [TS]

  me I think kristen i enjoyed it that [TS]

  much Erica what about you [TS]

  interesting that you ask for the walking [TS]

  out of the theater feeling because [TS]

  because I was actually feeling pretty [TS]

  good by the time I walked out of the [TS]

  theater but it took at least two three [TS]

  quarters of the movie to get me they're [TS]

  so so yeah it in the end I I i like the [TS]

  end of it but I think when it comes down [TS]

  to the walking out of the theater [TS]

  feeling I don't think anything is going [TS]

  to compare with the elation of the 2009 [TS]

  movie which I saw with some of my [TS]

  deepest like geekiest Star Trek fan [TS]

  friends and they had been very worried [TS]

  about it and really enjoyed it so coming [TS]

  out of that was just like kind of a [TS]

  feeling of of great elation and this was [TS]

  this was fine it wasn't great elation [TS]

  and i am one of those people that [TS]

  actually enjoyed star trek beyond quite [TS]

  a bit for not starting yet I mean I'm [TS]

  into darkness quite a bit so I mean if I [TS]

  am forced to rate them this is actually [TS]

  at the bottom of my list currently and [TS]

  Scott worried about you [TS]

  well when I left the movie theater i was [TS]

  happy i enjoyed the the movie i also get [TS]

  a free movie pass for another movie so [TS]

  that helps i think but even if I didn't [TS]

  get that I would have been happy because [TS]

  I enjoyed it i thought was fun and [TS]

  really isn't the whole point of going to [TS]

  a movie is to have a little fun unless [TS]

  you're going to like some swedish movie [TS]

  or something [TS]

  nobody has fun sweetie always right take [TS]

  that Sweden yeah the seventh seal is a [TS]

  blast you kidding me in imax and so is [TS]

  where i rank them in john scalzi posted [TS]

  something that I thought was interesting [TS]

  he said he thought it was the best of [TS]

  the third [TS]

  Star Trek movies question you know [TS]

  you're here [TS]

  comparing it to insurrection and star [TS]

  trek 3 the search for spock so i think [TS]

  that is true it is the best time yeah [TS]

  the third entrance in structuring [TS]

  franchises go with that I thought it was [TS]

  my second favorite of the JJ Abrams [TS]

  movies star trek 2009 i think still [TS]

  beats it because just like what Eric was [TS]

  saying it was so new and exciting to [TS]

  have a star trek movie again that wasn't [TS]

  kind of petering out because the last [TS]

  couple of next-generation movies were [TS]

  not very good so the star trek 2009 had [TS]

  low expectations but it blew me away [TS]

  into darkness was fine i liked a lot but [TS]

  I didn't have the guy i watch 2009 again [TS]

  over the weekend to prepare for this [TS]

  podcast i was gonna watch into darkness [TS]

  and I just didn't get around to it but i [TS]

  don't like it i like Robocop so thumbs [TS]

  up to that Admiral robocop that's right [TS]

  my I'm kind of in the same camp as Erica [TS]

  here I actually really like star trek [TS]

  into darkness and I wallet while I think [TS]

  it is telling that i have not really [TS]

  watch star trek into darkness as many [TS]

  times as I have already watched Star [TS]

  Trek 2009 and so as a result i would [TS]

  certainly rate you that the first of the [TS]

  the JJ Abrams movies over it i don't [TS]

  think i would rate star trek beyond over [TS]

  it and I actually it's funny because my [TS]

  expectations have been lowered somewhat [TS]

  by that trailer and then they had been [TS]

  raised by some of the good word of mouth [TS]

  that came out as the movie was was was [TS]

  arriving and when I went to see it what [TS]

  I found [TS]

  I thought was something that was has a [TS]

  lot of good stuff in it and I want to [TS]

  see it again because I suspect that [TS]

  perhaps it just hit me wrong and i wanna [TS]

  i want to give it its due as a Star Trek [TS]

  fan but at the same time I saw a lot of [TS]

  laws in it that made me think like okay [TS]

  movie [TS]

  what are you doing right now and that's [TS]

  not a great that's not a great position [TS]

  to be and I think I felt like and we can [TS]

  get into this but I feel like the [TS]

  director [TS]

  was really ambitious and his talent [TS]

  didn't really allow him to fulfill all [TS]

  of his ambitions I like I felt like his [TS]

  his reach exceeds 20 his grasp Thank You [TS]

  mr. writer man punching above his weight [TS]

  yeah i mean i love that he i loved the [TS]

  ambition of some of the visuals in this [TS]

  but i don't think they were executed [TS]

  very well yes what was that note I I [TS]

  like I want Simon figure-eight Nick I [TS]

  didn't say anything about who should [TS]

  direct oh but I thought it was a is [TS]

  competent yeah and I thought it was a [TS]

  very different feel to the movies right [TS]

  so I know there's a lot of people on [TS]

  Twitter that follow that are like oh [TS]

  it's not real star trek whatever real [TS]

  star trek is this argument i don't buy [TS]

  the sets are cardboard come on you can I [TS]

  mean you totally everyone is entitled to [TS]

  their opinion but kind of judging what [TS]

  real star trek is and what it isn't i [TS]

  think is completely bogus right and [TS]

  they're people like well it's not [TS]

  cerebral so it can't be star trek and I [TS]

  think really have you watched a lot of [TS]

  Star Trek because there are some [TS]

  cerebral episodes of Star Trek but by [TS]

  and large there are a lot of that arms [TS]

  but actually the century more common [TS]

  really exactly thats but i thought this [TS]

  was so JJ Abrams has a very particular [TS]

  kind of style and obviously the first [TS]

  two movies had that style so this was [TS]

  kind of a refreshing new take on it a [TS]

  very frenetic which i think almost [TS]

  worked in some scenes but didn't quite I [TS]

  had trouble and Jason you and I were [TS]

  talking about this in slack i had [TS]

  trouble sometimes knowing what I was [TS]

  supposed to be looking at and what was [TS]

  going on [TS]

  you just never a great thing in a movie [TS]

  I think unless they're trying to confuse [TS]

  you which I don't think they were trying [TS]

  to do here but if they were mission [TS]

  accomplished [TS]

  ok I hadn't thought about the not [TS]

  knowing what I was supposed to look at [TS]

  thing but you're right now that you say [TS]

  that I think that was one of my problems [TS]

  my other problem was the camera movement [TS]

  and my I appreciate it when a director [TS]

  tries to go for camera movement because [TS]

  i think it can be really really cool but [TS]

  I felt like well you know how in classic [TS]

  classic Star Trek you know that the [TS]

  ships would only ever meet each other in [TS]

  two dimensions and it was you know you [TS]

  basically get one kind of [TS]

  goal of the ships and stuff I felt like [TS]

  like this was trying to make up for [TS]

  several decades of traditional up and [TS]

  all in one hour and a half minutes that [TS]

  was just it honestly made me physically [TS]

  ill and that has not happened to me [TS]

  since I think the third jason bourne [TS]

  movie those are these are the only two [TS]

  movies that have ever made me feel sick [TS]

  in the theater good i saw it in imax 3d [TS]

  so there was a lot to watch what you're [TS]

  gonna say there's a lot of vomiting [TS]

  going I didn't see anybody but I think I [TS]

  think I I don't want to say i was [TS]

  reading somebody's review of middling [TS]

  review of ghostbusters where they said [TS]

  that a that they thought that puffy just [TS]

  couldn't direct action and I remember [TS]

  thinking after i saw Star Trek beyond [TS]

  like I don't know I felt like at least [TS]

  in ghostbusters there was a sense of [TS]

  geography and I think we just landed i [TS]

  don't want to say you can't direct [TS]

  action because he can direct action i [TS]

  think though there's certain kinds of [TS]

  action that he's very good at directing [TS]

  and when we see Captain Kirk riding [TS]

  around on his little motorcycle and [TS]

  stuff like that i think that the [TS]

  geography makes sense when people are [TS]

  fighting each other hand to hand I think [TS]

  the geography makes sense but once you [TS]

  get into those scenes where you are in [TS]

  space or your enemy of the Yorktown the [TS]

  Starbase where there which I are again I [TS]

  think the visuals of that space station [TS]

  are stunning the idea that because [TS]

  gravity is artificial you can have [TS]

  different cityscape sort of pointing at [TS]

  each other and perpendicular directions [TS]

  and stuff I think that's great but I [TS]

  think in those scenes he couldn't really [TS]

  get across the geography he was trying [TS]

  to convey and it ended up confusing in a [TS]

  way that even something that was trying [TS]

  to mess with your mind like Inception [TS]

  didn't it didn't confuse me in the way I [TS]

  think Christopher Nolan did a much [TS]

  better job of keeping his filmic [TS]

  geography intact and I I just don't [TS]

  think that Justin Lin managed it right i [TS]

  mean even even the fight scenes the [TS]

  hand-to-hand fight scenes for me they [TS]

  didn't land because the camera is [TS]

  continuously moving and zooming and [TS]

  cutting and twitching and shaking and [TS]

  jumping and swooping and you don't know [TS]

  what's happened until the fight is done [TS]

  it looked like they were choreographed [TS]

  very well I mean I fight choreography is [TS]

  something to pay attention to but the [TS]

  camera work was insane [TS]

  same for those and and and especially [TS]

  the swooping shaking a camera sequence [TS]

  of camera in the Yorktown sequence it [TS]

  didn't make me physically ill only only [TS]

  rainbow road and mario kart can do that [TS]

  oh god yes it is it was it was too much [TS]

  because you couldn't focus on what was [TS]

  going on you couldn't i'm even even when [TS]

  the cameras doing the shaking chittering [TS]

  thing like a look-see we're pretending [TS]

  its cinema very day it's not it doesn't [TS]

  have to shake you don't need that [TS]

  let the ship and the people shake keep [TS]

  the camera still it's okay you know it's [TS]

  not a car it's not the fast and furious [TS]

  so yeah I i did not like any of his [TS]

  action direction for the most part I i [TS]

  like the concept i like scenes i like [TS]

  the the design of things [TS]

  yeah but I did not think that as soon as [TS]

  it went into the the full-tilt action [TS]

  mode i did not think it was very very [TS]

  effective [TS]

  I'm and maybe it's because he's used to [TS]

  you know fast furious is fast and [TS]

  furious but their cars right it's two [TS]

  bedrooms you don't really see a lot of [TS]

  floating cars flying writers there's [TS]

  gravity [TS]

  exactly and I think he just was trying [TS]

  to do a whole lot with this he had a [TS]

  third dimension was like we've got to [TS]

  use the hell out of this third manage [TS]

  ambition right I appreciate being bitchy [TS]

  absolutely absolutely didn't come off [TS]

  no but I did like the Yorktown a lot [TS]

  thumbs up I guess the design it's so [TS]

  beautiful I I like those moments I i saw [TS]

  some people online complaining about the [TS]

  fact that that a starship emerges [TS]

  through water again and it's like me but [TS]

  I thought that it was so it was like so [TS]

  so perfect that it got to that point [TS]

  because we we had to let up to that [TS]

  point I i love the idea that not only [TS]

  are all those spaces perpendicular to [TS]

  each other because it's all artificial [TS]

  gravity anyway so it kind of doesn't [TS]

  matter but that you've also got little [TS]

  tubes that star ships come into and you [TS]

  can see them going by i'm not sure how [TS]

  practical that is and i also have some [TS]

  questions about their defense which [TS]

  appeared apparently as everybody sit [TS]

  inside and greg grunberg will look at [TS]

  the computer and tell you something's [TS]

  happening just just feel safer already [TS]

  if you've got millions and millions of [TS]

  people living in this in this should [TS]

  there be like Federation starships all [TS]

  around and shouldn't have liked more [TS]

  guns and things on the outside to [TS]

  protect them and apparently not [TS]

  apparently they don't but Greg Grunberg [TS]

  he's paying attention so there should be [TS]

  shields beyond the glass dome right he [TS]

  would think right but I expense I mean [TS]

  it's pretty it's but it's but it is such [TS]

  a super I i love the production design [TS]

  on this really i think i think this [TS]

  ship's look good i think the the [TS]

  Yorktown looks good i love a lot of the [TS]

  planet stuff i like i like the Franklin [TS]

  sets i think those are a lot of fun [TS]

  oh by the way who would have thought [TS]

  that there would never be like if you're [TS]

  a fan of Star Trek Enterprise this is as [TS]

  close as you're ever going to get to an [TS]

  enterprise movie so I hope you are doing [TS]

  it right so good in people who have idea [TS]

  the Yorktown appeared early enough in [TS]

  the film and I hadn't been completely [TS]

  sort of turned off by the way happy [TS]

  camper with moving and I was just I mean [TS]

  that first sequence there i was kind of [TS]

  ja a gape just in awe [TS]

  it was it was amazing i had a thought [TS]

  like if the incomparable ever does a [TS]

  space station draft that may be near the [TS]

  top of my list because i want to go to [TS]

  there [TS]

  it's beautiful it's just a beautiful [TS]

  thing I i think one of the things that [TS]

  film can do is make your drop like that [TS]

  and have that moment of like I I can't [TS]

  believe what I'm seeing now and I think [TS]

  that's pretty rare and I felt that same [TS]

  way which is like wow this is like a [TS]

  real fascinating visual from a star trek [TS]

  movie which honestly doesn't happen as [TS]

  much I like Star Trek movies that you [TS]

  know jaw-dropping visuals is not a thing [TS]

  that they tend to do and i was very [TS]

  impressed with that when i went with my [TS]

  eleven-year-old and every time the [TS]

  Yorktown came on-screen he would lean [TS]

  over and say I want to go there [TS]

  where is that American we can we go that [TS]

  great a film that is that I think most [TS]

  of it by existence [TS]

  yeah just go to devise just like that [TS]

  pic just hit yourself in the head with a [TS]

  brick when you buy [TS]

  I'm gonna see anything on the Yorktown [TS]

  and I'll i like what it kind of says [TS]

  about the the this moment of the [TS]

  Federation where they could build [TS]

  something like this and they're just so [TS]

  confident in their technology because [TS]

  something crazy and you can't build [TS]

  something like this if you're not super [TS]

  confident that it will stay together [TS]

  right because they're their buildings [TS]

  all over the place [TS]

  spaceships are flying through its it [TS]

  doesn't make any sense but if you did [TS]

  you know the the parallel to the culture [TS]

  books is striking into people who have [TS]

  read the culture books and see this [TS]

  movie and so I just thought you know [TS]

  this is portraying a federation that is [TS]

  very confident in its technology and [TS]

  then we see obviously later [TS]

  technology is a theater price goes up [TS]

  basically spoiler i think there are [TS]

  elements of lots of other Star Trek [TS]

  movies in this movie and interesting [TS]

  ways but one of the things that struck [TS]

  me was the story that is really in Star [TS]

  Trek the motion picture and also [TS]

  instruct her to which is the idea that [TS]

  you know Captain Kirk gives up his [TS]

  command and he becomes an admiral and [TS]

  then he regrets it because he wants to [TS]

  go and be a captain that's his best [TS]

  thing that he can do and in this movie [TS]

  what we get is we get chris pine's [TS]

  captain kirk and they've been out there [TS]

  for 43 years so I which I thought was [TS]

  kind of clever because that's how long [TS]

  we saw the original Star Trek's [TS]

  five-year mission was the first three [TS]

  years right now I got canceled and he's [TS]

  kind of burning out like he's he's just [TS]

  they've been doing this he says [TS]

  everything is episodic which made me [TS]

  laugh because yeah that would happen [TS]

  you're on a TV show do not know and um & [TS]

  ripped by shirt again and he's high know [TS]

  right it and he's burned he's burned out [TS]

  and he goes back and talk to her egg [TS]

  dash luat at Yorktown and she's like [TS]

  what we got your application to you know [TS]

  be able to be an admiral what so what [TS]

  did what people think I've had about [TS]

  that storyline and then in parallel [TS]

  there's a core Spock dealing with his [TS]

  mortality where we we get this stuff [TS]

  about about learning Moyes Spock uh [TS]

  obviously a hat tip to learn Nimoy that [TS]

  we hear that ambassador Spock has died [TS]

  and so Zachary Quintos Spock is dealing [TS]

  with that too [TS]

  so what do you think about those those [TS]

  themes because that's sort of the the [TS]

  character beats we get right at the [TS]

  front of the movie Chris Pine fell [TS]

  the Kirk easiest i think of all of the [TS]

  above all the movies up to this point so [TS]

  I mean he I feel like he's sort of [TS]

  settled in the role and I mean that if [TS]

  you like that the friendship between all [TS]

  of these characters is earned at this [TS]

  point because they've got three years [TS]

  under their belts as opposed to being [TS]

  all squished together and you know us [TS]

  supposed to think that yes so this makes [TS]

  perfect sense after they've just met so [TS]

  on that level it worked but I just I [TS]

  don't know it felt very sort of dour and [TS]

  and kind of glum and I did maybe it was [TS]

  because the camera was making me sick [TS]

  but I kind of didn't care until we [TS]

  started pairing characters off and that [TS]

  was when I started being interested in [TS]

  the interplay between the characters [TS]

  again probably because they're their [TS]

  friendship is earned by now but when it [TS]

  was just you know I don't really care [TS]

  about about Captain Kirk's man next [TS]

  sorry just don't write that that sort of [TS]

  lived-in feeling for all the characters [TS]

  is part of why I like this why i think i [TS]

  like the best of the three just because [TS]

  they have earned it [TS]

  they have a comfort level with each [TS]

  other that they didn't have even into [TS]

  darkness i would i would say and so yeah [TS]

  it I mean it was it was a little tower [TS]

  in the beginning that's that's a great [TS]

  word for it but I think it's meant to be [TS]

  i mean it is that these are sort of like [TS]

  these momentous life changes they're [TS]

  thinking about and the end Kirk and [TS]

  Spock haven't told each other what [TS]

  they're thinking about doing yet but yet [TS]

  is it is a little slow [TS]

  I think the scene with mccoy in the [TS]

  beginning where they're having a drink [TS]

  is is a little bit to try and lighten [TS]

  the mood a little maybe except there [TS]

  except it's really dark and they're [TS]

  drinking while the guys in death and you [TS]

  know but other than that it's pretty a [TS]

  bright lights and and i will i will say [TS]

  that the eleven-year-old leading zeros [TS]

  why is dr. McCoy searching Chekhov's [TS]

  locker that's not very nice [TS]

  yeah there's like four sentences that's [TS]

  true [TS]

  fair enough you you'd think a good old [TS]

  Southern doctor would be able to get [TS]

  alcohol without relying on the Russian I [TS]

  think that scene pays off some things [TS]

  with not only doesn't have a rest [TS]

  instead the first two original Star Trek [TS]

  movies but it pays off [TS]

  what we've seen of Kirk's origin in the [TS]

  original surgery 2009 and I like the [TS]

  residents of that it's it it's his [TS]

  birthday and starter to Captain Kirk is [TS]

  going through a birthday and regretting [TS]

  that being a captain anymore and I I [TS]

  mean maybe no Simon Pegg and presumably [TS]

  John although i don't know as much about [TS]

  him [TS]

  they know what they're paying off here [TS]

  from like old star trek movies and new [TS]

  star trek movies and I liked it [TS]

  although even then it goes on too long [TS]

  and it's and it's you on the nose [TS]

  especially that scene where he's like I [TS]

  know your father bit the dust on your [TS]

  birthday was like yeah we saw that we do [TS]

  decide we know we got it got it [TS]

  yeah got it Scott what about you what do [TS]

  you think about the about the captain [TS]

  kirk retirement you Admiral stuff and [TS]

  the spock stuff so the problem here that [TS]

  we talked about this every time we talk [TS]

  about the new star trek was right is [TS]

  that these this crew doesn't have the [TS]

  history that's the original Star Trek [TS]

  crew did right so they didn't three [TS]

  years of the show and then we have all [TS]

  these movies you know we don't have [TS]

  episodes that we miss it we're totally [TS]

  episodic but we didn't see and the [TS]

  characters are younger so some of it [TS]

  like it didn't really make much sense to [TS]

  me that he would be a vice-admiral other [TS]

  than the fact that he's super-awesome he [TS]

  seems a little young to be a [TS]

  vice-admiral yeah but I thought it was [TS]

  clever that they compress that [TS]

  three-year mission in the front to you [TS]

  know that montage of boredom for Kirk [TS]

  and we see the little aliens and the [TS]

  little aliens which I understand very [TS]

  funny scene [TS]

  yeah i was nicely done you get that [TS]

  first look bigger than they were little [TS]

  and they were no eating a muffin he had [TS]

  to get ready so i thought was [TS]

  interesting because it's so there's a [TS]

  lot of shorthand writing as a Star Trek [TS]

  fan I know the relationship so i can i [TS]

  can fill in a lot of the cap so it [TS]

  worked for me but I could understand how [TS]

  it's just kind of rushed because they [TS]

  asked don't have the time their movies [TS]

  they can't you can't make a teen movies [TS]

  before you can get to this plot right [TS]

  now they don't have to imply that we've [TS]

  seen 322 episode 66 episode 3 you know [TS]

  three seasons and now there [TS]

  like remember how Star Trek at three [TS]

  seasons it's kind of like that but you [TS]

  just kind of have to take it forward and [TS]

  they're young so I you know as kirk is [TS]

  this kirk wanted to be an admiral that [TS]

  seems awfully premature because didn't [TS]

  just graduate from surfing academy like [TS]

  four years ago [TS]

  yeah i mean he seemed a little too young [TS]

  for that but again one of the things i [TS]

  like about this that the other two films [TS]

  just pissed me off is that he actually [TS]

  applied he went through channel asteroid [TS]

  he did it properly it wasn't like oh by [TS]

  the way you're captain now [TS]

  oh you can do this in my headcanon sorry [TS]

  aghdashloo before before Kirk ends up [TS]

  saving the entire Yorktown which change [TS]

  changes the the the equation a little [TS]

  bit [TS]

  it's like well thanks for saving all of [TS]

  us you save millions of people my [TS]

  headcanon is that what she was going to [TS]

  say is basically snap out of it i'm not [TS]

  going to make you an admiral you just [TS]

  became captain you're good at it you [TS]

  need to you need you need to not she [TS]

  turned out you take it takes some shore [TS]

  leave and get back to it [TS]

  stop being a man baby and that would [TS]

  have been a nice scene [TS]

  yeah but instead you know he saves [TS]

  everything she's like all right you can [TS]

  be an admiral if you want whatever it is [TS]

  like yeah nevermind I'm the hair don't [TS]

  but i don't want to be now which is good [TS]

  because that I mean again that's the [TS]

  special character are trying to give him [TS]

  it just it seems a little premature and [TS]

  and yeah the reason that I go with it is [TS]

  because i have seen all of those other [TS]

  movies i did like the stuff about his [TS]

  dad and the whole idea of like why did [TS]

  you why did you join because he's not [TS]

  like William Shatner's Captain Kirk he [TS]

  didn't join for those reasons he joined [TS]

  for the Dare that that that Christopher [TS]

  Pike gave him and star trek 2009 and [TS]

  that part was that part was interesting [TS]

  so but yeah it was [TS]

  it's dark and dour and then I do like [TS]

  their I do like how they try to give us [TS]

  a flavor of an episode at the beginning [TS]

  of this and star trek into darkness [TS]

  where there's you you're catching them [TS]

  in in the middle of something I think [TS]

  that's good although i think that that [TS]

  was a problem that I had with it is i [TS]

  have read reviews of this that say oh it [TS]

  feels like a like an episode it's like [TS]

  well no it doesn't because they finish [TS]

  an episode and then he gets and then [TS]

  they had this whole like we're gonna [TS]

  send you on this mission and it turns [TS]

  out to be a whole grand conspiracy that [TS]

  threatens the whole of of Yorktown [TS]

  and like that's not really a star trek [TS]

  episode of Star Trek episode would be [TS]

  that they would find the planet and it [TS]

  would be a trap but that's sort of not [TS]

  anyway it's a minor point but i felt [TS]

  like i couldn't we could we have just [TS]

  had them out on their mission having [TS]

  these questions why I have doesn't have [TS]

  to be [TS]

  we're going to you know get get waylaid [TS]

  from our mission and go in and have this [TS]

  movie at least the fate of the universe [TS]

  wasn't steak and and one nice thing [TS]

  about the dour beginning is that it does [TS]

  have everyone a little off balance when [TS]

  they wind up in this trap and wind up [TS]

  getting split up into different groups [TS]

  because now they're they're not just out [TS]

  of sorts now it's it's not Kirk and [TS]

  Spock is it it's kirk and check off its [TS]

  Spock and McCoy it has weird [TS]

  combinations so it's not even the best [TS]

  combination of the crew right or quote [TS]

  unquote the best combination and they [TS]

  wind up having to work through that [TS]

  through the movie which was I like that [TS]

  I thought that was you i disagree i [TS]

  think it I think it was the best [TS]

  combination with phones bak well yeah i [TS]

  know i absolutely are gonna keep harping [TS]

  on you know Kirk and Spock Kirk and [TS]

  Spock yet no I i agree Spock McCoy is [TS]

  the best that one of the things that [TS]

  this movie does but i think very few of [TS]

  the Star Trek movies do well I think [TS]

  about you know Star Trek for does this a [TS]

  little bit stricter three does a little [TS]

  bit but they make an effort to have [TS]

  every character get some moments and [TS]

  with seven characters it's a it's a tall [TS]

  order to get seven of your characters [TS]

  and give them things to do that are [TS]

  interesting and that not everybody's [TS]

  going to get to do a lot but everybody [TS]

  gets to do something and by pairing them [TS]

  and grouping them the way they do it [TS]

  gets to be I mean that that's a good way [TS]

  of doing it it's it's a not a bad [TS]

  conceit to give them all a little moment [TS]

  in the Sun because if it's seven people [TS]

  standing on the bridge of a spaceship [TS]

  it's it's not gonna happen right but but [TS]

  they split them up [TS]

  that said splitting them up really i [TS]

  felt slow the movie down because we kept [TS]

  on having to go from pair two pair from [TS]

  group to group and and that's when the [TS]

  movie felt like a sort of ground to a [TS]

  halt and we skipped over the enterprise [TS]

  getting blown up by the way which we [TS]

  should probably mention enterprises get [TS]

  blown up all the time right and i [TS]

  thought this was a I thought this was [TS]

  again waterway is doing it right with a [TS]

  little little ships that smash [TS]

  it into little pieces and I didn't [TS]

  understand people were like they're [TS]

  blowing up the enterprise it's how could [TS]

  they do this like they do it all the [TS]

  time all the dates it's not a shock even [TS]

  in the third original movie they blew up [TS]

  the enterprise so it's not like it's a [TS]

  shocking pink although this one I think [TS]

  maybe about my favorite enterprise [TS]

  blowing up scenes [TS]

  yes I had to close my eyes for a lot of [TS]

  that scene because that was that was [TS]

  that was pretty much where I lost ya all [TS]

  ability to pay attention to the film for [TS]

  quite awhile simply because it was very [TS]

  very hard to physically watch a lot of [TS]

  swooping lot of shaking the swooping I [TS]

  is is some of the geography stuff that I [TS]

  i had at an issue with is that I get [TS]

  what they're trying to do but I felt [TS]

  like it was who was too much and too i [TS]

  think David's point to the shaky cam [TS]

  stuff it's like I'm not sure you needed [TS]

  the shaky cam with new swooping and the [TS]

  changes in perspective all at the same [TS]

  time [TS]

  well it's like you know that's what we [TS]

  got what what is what is Kirk doing [TS]

  where is he [TS]

  what's going on where is a whore why are [TS]

  they splitting off the saucer it's [TS]

  pretty much gonna go down on the planet [TS]

  anyway what are they doing which which [TS]

  part is flying away from what it's like [TS]

  I didn't even realize that there's like [TS]

  a major plot point the fact that was it [TS]

  bones had already flown one of the [TS]

  little alien vessel things and that's [TS]

  why he had to go on [TS]

  I didn't realize until they got back in [TS]

  it towards the end of the movie but [TS]

  that's what they had been in the first [TS]

  place idea right now I got that the idea [TS]

  was that they were separating the saucer [TS]

  so that they would have enough impulse [TS]

  power to go back in the nebula and hide [TS]

  and run away right for help but it was [TS]

  it was all it yeah it was all very cool [TS]

  is that that was there was something i [TS]

  figured out a few minutes after it [TS]

  started [TS]

  it's like Oh impulse power of course and [TS]

  but yeah I was just get that part i got [TS]

  i just didn't get the the alien ship [TS]

  part there's a lot happening so uh let's [TS]

  let's see what else we want to talk [TS]

  about we talk about a wish to buy jayla [TS]

  who Scotty finds on the planet [TS]

  yes she I thought she was I thought she [TS]

  was fun in the trailers I was like oh no [TS]

  it's gonna be like [TS]

  primitive woman on Planet falls in love [TS]

  with Captain Kirk and all that and now [TS]

  she's a very capable person middle of a [TS]

  signer for Starfleet at the end she's [TS]

  great [TS]

  yeah I I hope she's in the next one yeah [TS]

  actually I would like to watch her show [TS]

  like please do not regenerate started [TS]

  engineer [TS]

  yeah i would watch the heck out of that [TS]

  yeah just like Lela III picture [TS]

  Erica ya done who for you there she [TS]

  comes from a Savage Land but now she's a [TS]

  little anxious costume [TS]

  yes this is true i could also go with [TS]

  futurama Leela i love i love the fact [TS]

  that she's got she's says well I know [TS]

  your language from my house and we go [TS]

  back there and this is the reveal I wish [TS]

  again I wish it wasn't spoiled for me [TS]

  because it's a pretty fun reveal where [TS]

  she's actually been living in a [TS]

  Federation starship she's rigged it up [TS]

  so she can listen to music from them [TS]

  from the music music data banks [TS]

  she's trying to fix it and she runs into [TS]

  Scotty what are the chances so she had [TS]

  dreams Montgomery Scotty back to fix the [TS]

  spaceship but it's a it's a fun moment [TS]

  and it's a fun reveal and she's you know [TS]

  she's she's her character flaws [TS]

  basically that she's afraid because they [TS]

  killed her family and and she has to get [TS]

  over it and trust and there's some trust [TS]

  issues she has to work out but she's [TS]

  never anything but capable which is a [TS]

  which is fun [TS]

  yeah refreshing actually yeah I like [TS]

  that there are no damsels in distress [TS]

  basically yeah i agree i mean like hora [TS]

  hora is the one who basically lets [TS]

  Captain Kirk escape and she makes that [TS]

  move after she's punched a bunch of [TS]

  crawls guys so she has she has a moment [TS]

  she's not she's not waiting you know [TS]

  hiding from the fight she's in it and [TS]

  she basically saves Captain Kirk we get [TS]

  sure at dash Lou as the Admiral so we've [TS]

  got a woman in a position of authority [TS]

  who gives dispenses submit some wisdom [TS]

  and advice to Captain Kirk you know it [TS]

  by the standard it's not it's not a lot [TS]

  but by the standards of these star trek [TS]

  movies it's it's better treatment of [TS]

  women than they that they've done when [TS]

  like poor Carol Marcus was in her [TS]

  underwear for no reason for example yeah [TS]

  i mean as much as I i did enjoy into [TS]

  darkness that if that was you know [TS]

  besides besides the the bed naked moment [TS]

  but just like seeing all the white guys [TS]

  in charge of Starfleet was like really [TS]

  so so this this did have a light up [TS]

  there [TS]

  as much as i enjoy blondes in their [TS]

  underwear I didn't need that in the dirt [TS]

  it's not necessary [TS]

  no you're right about the Admirals and [TS]

  stuff later alright guys so here we go [TS]

  we got sure aghdashloo guys hey as [TS]

  commas national comment or whatever she [TS]

  is she's in charge of stuff economics a [TS]

  that's good because he always calls for [TS]

  sure Sasquatch Frank tell me something i [TS]

  need to know nobody has a little pep I [TS]

  things nice Commodore I don't know she's [TS]

  just under cover from the other universe [TS]

  of the expanse that's all yeah she works [TS]

  for the UN yeah yeah goodbye United [TS]

  Earth space fleet [TS]

  ok let's talk about crawl [TS]

  ar-ar-ar villain crawl played by Idris [TS]

  Elba the great the great interest Elba [TS]

  who is for the first half of the movie [TS]

  completely unrecognizable and in the [TS]

  second half [TS]

  mostly unrecognized people i didn't [TS]

  actually realize it was him until the [TS]

  credits and I knew going in that he was [TS]

  in this movie I just forgotten and I [TS]

  knew the twist before going into the [TS]

  movie and of course going into the movie [TS]

  and watching them like of course yes i [TS]

  went i would have figured out I would've [TS]

  figured that anyways I i did i did and i [TS]

  can I was like okay there's a I mean to [TS]

  their credit it took me you know until [TS]

  the they showed the video of the shaky [TS]

  fuzzy and you didn't see all of it video [TS]

  of the crew of the Frank right and I was [TS]

  like oh ok this is probably something [TS]

  ok it's not probably not just there [TS]

  because we're supposed to be wistful [TS]

  about the poor people who died a hundred [TS]

  years ago [TS]

  that's ok probably right probably which [TS]

  actually reminded me of Star Trek [TS]

  insurrection right where its people here [TS]

  now really old much older than they [TS]

  should be but they've unnaturally kept [TS]

  themselves alive but now they don't look [TS]

  like they used to look they look [TS]

  horribly disfigured and stuff it's like [TS]

  that scroll it's the same deal you may [TS]

  have murray Abraham little machine for [TS]

  all we know his little face stretching [TS]

  machine but he doesn't have the the [TS]

  official masseuses that's true he just [TS]

  has suspended when he's got the bumps on [TS]

  his space instead you know masseuses I [TS]

  exaggerated a little bit i did recognize [TS]

  yourself before the credits but it it [TS]

  generally yeah he was he was so so [TS]

  covered up that I mean I'm still a [TS]

  little mad at myself for not right [TS]

  using his voice because i like it was [TS]

  one of those things where like I know [TS]

  this voice why can't I place it just [TS]

  because it was on the spot and then by [TS]

  the time that he was revealed that was [TS]

  like I almost feel like I wasted all of [TS]

  this time just trying to figure out who [TS]

  that is under the makeup and that was it [TS]

  was a distraction from in well from [TS]

  tolerating that character from I just [TS]

  didn't care about to start with I feel [TS]

  like it was a mistake to make him so [TS]

  alien because its star trek we would [TS]

  have given them a pass if it looks like [TS]

  it's elbow with some bumps and stuff we [TS]

  would have been like oh well you know [TS]

  what Star Trek they're making him an [TS]

  alien but then you don't get the twist [TS]

  well no I think you would still get I [TS]

  think you would still get the twist [TS]

  right i think i think you would know who [TS]

  a is at first yeah because he doesn't he [TS]

  doesn't really say his name for most of [TS]

  the movie and then you know not to get [TS]

  too many check-ins in here but when they [TS]

  first get into the Franklin Scotty goes [TS]

  oh this was cotton baltazar medicines [TS]

  ship he vanished in a hundred years ago [TS]

  and I went that's Chekhov's mention of [TS]

  who crawl really is because that you [TS]

  know why is he saying that in the middle [TS]

  of this scene it has nothing to do with [TS]

  anything [TS]

  all we're going to meet captain medicine [TS]

  so other check out is what you're saying [TS]

  yeah check out Twitter and check off [TS]

  with an H it's a check of all the way [TS]

  down and check out with 28 years I guess [TS]

  yeah well there is definitely a a lot of [TS]

  economy going on that like everything we [TS]

  see is important which on one level I [TS]

  mean I appreciate that they set it up [TS]

  but on another level at some point if [TS]

  there are no red herrings in there if [TS]

  there no like interesting details that [TS]

  don't matter you realize that it all [TS]

  kind of like everything it only exists [TS]

  in order to service the plots like oh we [TS]

  saw the Yorktown it must be under siege [TS]

  later because why would we see it [TS]

  otherwise and then like every character [TS]

  becomes relevant in in some specific way [TS]

  which I would I you know again I find I [TS]

  find that a little a little [TS]

  disappointing but I love interest Elba I [TS]

  I don't really understand other than for [TS]

  the machinations of trying to fool the [TS]

  fool the viewers that he's got his [TS]

  little machine that makes him less bumpy [TS]

  sometimes I don't know is that he's a [TS]

  good actor and I like the idea i like [TS]

  the idea that a former like earth marine [TS]

  put into Starfleet kind of [TS]

  against his will gets lost in a wormhole [TS]

  and basically like sort of like like on [TS]

  being stranded on Ceti alpha five gets [TS]

  all you know just become so embittered [TS]

  by how they've led him here that he [TS]

  finds this hate for the for the [TS]

  Federation I i can accept all of that [TS]

  but the details kind of like the fact [TS]

  that he's on a planet with lots of [TS]

  mining stuff boy mining stuff is [TS]

  dangerous by the way in Star Trek watch [TS]

  out for it that he's got he's able to [TS]

  tap into the communications of Starfleet [TS]

  he's close enough apparently to earth [TS]

  now that he can he can be right on their [TS]

  borders in this nebula [TS]

  I don't know I I the more I started to [TS]

  think about it the more than I realized [TS]

  that it was it was way too engineered [TS]

  for something that probably could have [TS]

  worked if it was simpler and the the [TS]

  mysterious weapon that just happens to [TS]

  be floating in space in a place where he [TS]

  was able to get part of it but not all [TS]

  of it and then Kirk happens to end up [TS]

  with it on the enterprise I'd that that [TS]

  all know what you Gary be a funny and [TS]

  fun plot when I was like an ancient [TS]

  weapon from our culture but incidents [TS]

  like he's just a dude from Earth who's [TS]

  been like looking on ebay for them to [TS]

  sell both the cover to the box to the [TS]

  murder weapon I I just well yeah it's [TS]

  it's the thing that he was trying to [TS]

  give the aliens in the very beginning of [TS]

  the movie [TS]

  yeah and and it was given to them as [TS]

  part of this peace mission so it's not [TS]

  it's not like he just sort of looked [TS]

  into it right but yeah it's it is how to [TS]

  get from point A to point B that's the [TS]

  thing yeah he had a huge coincidence I i [TS]

  think they were there were few too many [TS]

  things that got sort of trimmed to say [TS]

  hey we need more action let's take a [TS]

  little of this detail we don't need this [TS]

  detail but we need the character stuff i [TS]

  loved the character stuff I loved that [TS]

  it didn't take its time with so now [TS]

  cross just too complicated [TS]

  yeah if you need that much detail to [TS]

  explain crawl simplify crawl right right [TS]

  right yeah it's exactly and and they [TS]

  just took away too many little details [TS]

  like for instance i had no idea how he [TS]

  was supposed to be making himself look [TS]

  that way and how he managed to change [TS]

  into mostly human by the end and now [TS]

  I've seen it explain when you get here [TS]

  he sucks the life out of right on a [TS]

  Starfleet people that I got but part of [TS]

  it [TS]

  is that he supposedly absorbs part of [TS]

  them them into him and that alters his [TS]

  appearance throughout yeah i didn't i [TS]

  didn't notice that up until the last [TS]

  scene so now i want to see it again to [TS]

  see does he really changed through the [TS]

  whole movie does he look a little [TS]

  different and he changes a couple of [TS]

  times M one of the things that I really [TS]

  liked about the the trailer and that i [TS]

  actually was disappointed in the movie [TS]

  was I really like the idea where we're [TS]

  crawl says what this is where the [TS]

  frontier pushes back right like the idea [TS]

  like Star Trek is going to say what if [TS]

  there's an alien race out there that [TS]

  that is like doesn't like the Federation [TS]

  doesn't like the idea that everybody's [TS]

  trying to be friends that they are they [TS]

  wanna you know they don't want this they [TS]

  want to upset in some way I I like that [TS]

  idea [TS]

  it's completely undercut because in the [TS]

  end it's just a guy from the Federation [TS]

  who's mad added because I mean he's not [TS]

  that different from Nero sorry mirror [TS]

  was really boring [TS]

  he's more interesting with nero recently [TS]

  and it's just like mine and bent on [TS]

  revenge again again using mining [TS]

  equipment to destroy some mining [TS]

  equipment in the end of that he's he's [TS]

  scared of the frontier he's scared of [TS]

  the unknown and that's what sort of [TS]

  pushes him too bad he's not he's not [TS]

  he's he's not scared of it he wants to [TS]

  beat it up [TS]

  he's a war out and he annoyed that the [TS]

  Federation has turned in [TS]

  he has earned everything in his life is [TS]

  about battles and winning and the fed [TS]

  all of a sudden Federation comes along [TS]

  and were like hey kumbaya let's all [TS]

  explore and we're not we're ready [TS]

  no more money everybody's cool here's a [TS]

  ship man go looking for cool stuff and [TS]

  come back if you want to you have five [TS]

  years and it's just not what he wants to [TS]

  be doing clearly and then they don't [TS]

  they don't rescue him and so is like [TS]

  look I did everything you wanted to do [TS]

  and you stuck me here and nobody's [TS]

  coming to rescue me [TS]

  so clearly the obvious thing for me to [TS]

  do is to take all this mining drones [TS]

  equipment make some kind of ridiculous [TS]

  plan to get a super weapon and kill [TS]

  millions of people [TS]

  yeah you did you brought it on yourself [TS]

  Federation [TS]

  you guys are not making me feel better [TS]

  about this movie I I could say I could [TS]

  there are few things that I like I [TS]

  actually quite like the the reveal of [TS]

  sulu being gay because I felt like that [TS]

  was handled it was so low-key it's so [TS]

  sweet and they didn't like Hank [TS]

  lampshade on it or anything they just [TS]

  you know was like this here is a moment [TS]

  where we need our art you know main [TS]

  hunky character to to look at a family [TS]

  and be wistful and they just chose to [TS]

  have that family be you know to dads in [TS]

  a kid I was like that's that is a nice [TS]

  way to do that [TS]

  that's right and that dad is Doug Jung [TS]

  who is the corrections correctly i don't [TS]

  know well here apparently the actor that [TS]

  cast fell out at the last minute and so [TS]

  they're like Doug guess what [TS]

  all right there he said actually over [TS]

  the interview I ride with him is his [TS]

  response was I don't think I'm [TS]

  attractive enough to be John shows [TS]

  husbands and they're like I just put on [TS]

  the put on the outfit dude just don't [TS]

  worry about it a little better don't [TS]

  worry it's the future man there's no [TS]

  money and it's all cool your character's [TS]

  personality its Great Spirit don't I i [TS]

  liked a lot of the like i said i like [TS]

  that i like the look of it I liked I [TS]

  liked a bunch of the scenes I like a lot [TS]

  of the character interactions even some [TS]

  things that from the trailer I thought [TS]

  come on like like the motorcycle [TS]

  I thought the motorcycle stuff was fine [TS]

  again they set up jailers little [TS]

  holo-emitters thing where she can be in [TS]

  three places at once but but the other [TS]

  two are Holograms they set that up and [TS]

  then they paid it off her missed that [TS]

  turns into rocks or whatever yeah yeah a [TS]

  language which is funny lot of funny [TS]

  dialogue women when people getting [TS]

  rescued great stuff with with Spock [TS]

  McCoy where Spock is injured and McCoys [TS]

  taking care of him all of that stuff was [TS]

  really good [TS]

  yeah honestly when it was one of Spock [TS]

  and McCoy or Scotty and jayla that i was [TS]

  i was happy [TS]

  pretty much everybody else was kinda [TS]

  like me please go back to the Caribbean [TS]

  excited I fruit for me this this was the [TS]

  first time I really bought all of them [TS]

  as their characters i mean i enjoyed [TS]

  enjoyed 2009 don't get me wrong on [TS]

  I have a lot of problems with it i have [TS]

  a lot of problems with into darkness and [TS]

  more the more times i watch it the more [TS]

  i dislike it [TS]

  this was the first time I I really [TS]

  bought all of them as the characters and [TS]

  and so those those interactions did have [TS]

  a little more weight to them like i [TS]

  don't i don't know that they could have [TS]

  gotten away with some of that Spock and [TS]

  McCoy stuff in 2009 because right it is [TS]

  a nerd it isn't there [TS]

  where is this yeah I mean yeah that's [TS]

  see that's part of what i enjoy i'm [TS]

  willing to forgive certain plot [TS]

  shortcuts to get the rest of this which [TS]

  I didn't see in the other the other two [TS]

  no I i get that I mean I i think that i [TS]

  think that there are lots of things [TS]

  wrong with the plot and the filling and [TS]

  some of the direction but the character [TS]

  stuff is is good and fun and I can see [TS]

  why people say things like it's like a [TS]

  star trek episode or reminded me of the [TS]

  original star trek in that way which is [TS]

  which is you get the sense that they've [TS]

  day these characters have been together [TS]

  a long time the actors have earned the [TS]

  shorthand of thinking about the the not [TS]

  just the relationships in these movies [TS]

  but the relationships these characters [TS]

  had in the past movies and TV show you [TS]

  get you can kind of extrapolate you [TS]

  granted to them and and they use that [TS]

  and they show you their character they [TS]

  know each other and that they've served [TS]

  together and that gives you them license [TS]

  to have those character moments that are [TS]

  all you know all fun i think i think [TS]

  it's amazing that in this third movie [TS]

  they take the time to do what they felt [TS]

  like they needed to do for fans in the [TS]

  original Star Trek movies because you [TS]

  know we had those those seventy-odd [TS]

  episodes of the original Star Trek that [TS]

  everybody watch for 20 years [TS]

  that's what they were servicing here [TS]

  it's just third movie but you know the [TS]

  casting was really good in star trek [TS]

  2009 and they kind of earnings at this [TS]

  point [TS]

  yeah and I mean at the end when when [TS]

  Spock is going through a ambassador [TS]

  Spock's belongings and he opens up that [TS]

  picture and and it's the original cast [TS]

  and I I I teared up I yeah yeah I teared [TS]

  up there is somebody sitting behind me [TS]

  who was literally sobbing I believe [TS]

  there are several I believe that and and [TS]

  you know i didn't i didn't think they [TS]

  were going to [TS]

  go there I didn't think it would hit me [TS]

  like that once I realized what they were [TS]

  doing and and the weight of it I've seen [TS]

  I've seen a couple of people and the [TS]

  couple of critics complain about oh you [TS]

  know why is Spock morning Spock that's [TS]

  kind of it's not like they hung out all [TS]

  the time I know these people that have [TS]

  hearts [TS]

  it's what it's not just that he's [TS]

  confronting his own mortality although [TS]

  it is that it is it is girls me and I [TS]

  have died or even that you know here's [TS]

  this much older version of him who has [TS]

  had all of these amazing adventures and [TS]

  done done all of these things to change [TS]

  the universe and save the universe but [TS]

  he's also confronting the fact that it's [TS]

  this this family of seven right yes crew [TS]

  of seven that stuck together through [TS]

  everything and that you know and just [TS]

  that be was beautiful and and you know [TS]

  and I even in the moment i thought back [TS]

  to the the part of into darkness where [TS]

  Kirk dies and spot looks at the sky and [TS]

  goes God which isn't earned in that [TS]

  movie not as best moment but it doesn't [TS]

  make any sense except you know if you [TS]

  know wrath of cut and and this was the [TS]

  complete hundred eighty from that this [TS]

  was a beautifully rock moment and just [TS]

  just that they were able to do that and [TS]

  pull it off I thought was very nice it [TS]

  was very understated to that's the other [TS]

  thing i like a lot of the interactions [TS]

  were very understated they weren't like [TS]

  hey look at us [TS]

  also no lens flares very few very few [TS]

  lens flares although i was a seeing a [TS]

  conversation on Twitter earlier some of [TS]

  the special effects are our kind of [TS]

  shaky [TS]

  yeah but they didn't use ilm for this [TS]

  movie and it shows it shows it does [TS]

  once again they you know they sort of [TS]

  cheaped out on the star trek special [TS]

  effects in there there's some good stuff [TS]

  that the Yorktown is beautiful [TS]

  there's a weird stuff myojo steal our [TS]

  friend who is reviewing this movie on [TS]

  daddy focused so look for that was [TS]

  talking about how he doesn't love [TS]

  there's that perspective shot where [TS]

  you're looking at kind of like the the [TS]

  the neck of the of that connects the two [TS]

  sections of the enterprise and that's [TS]

  what you're watching when it goes into [TS]

  warp which is a weird angle and I don't [TS]

  think that [TS]

  get and that the that the work by the [TS]

  warp-drive effect is also kind of [TS]

  strange and I i agree i don't think [TS]

  those work particularly well that said I [TS]

  really do like the swarm of ships [TS]

  attacking the enterprise and destroying [TS]

  it i think that looks really good and is [TS]

  not something that I feel like I've seen [TS]

  before so I think they're good [TS]

  there's good stuff too oh yeah during [TS]

  that second during that part i was i was [TS]

  thinking of nothing so much as more than [TS]

  1 D&D campaign being attacked by a swarm [TS]

  which are my least favorite thing to be [TS]

  attacked by Scott don't listen don't so [TS]

  no i don't and yes i was just i actually [TS]

  did sort of feel their frustration more [TS]

  than I think i would have otherwise [TS]

  because yeah fighting this morning's [TS]

  really hard so I you know good for [TS]

  trying enterprise but there's nothing [TS]

  you can do person and yeah the moment [TS]

  when you know you're watching that and [TS]

  you think oh they just want to destroy [TS]

  the enterprise and then the moment when [TS]

  they start attacking the the lifeboat [TS]

  ships was I was I don't know what are [TS]

  they doing and I guess they're just [TS]

  capturing them for some unknown reason I [TS]

  don't know why they were doing that to [TS]

  use to keep the crew so they could drain [TS]

  the manga second suck their life out of [TS]

  them and get the the thingy because [TS]

  Soviet crawl has been doing everyone's [TS]

  logs so he can somehow I guess what's [TS]

  happening at it doesn't make much sense [TS]

  but no one one shot i did really like is [TS]

  where I guess it's when Kirk rejects [TS]

  from the saucer and the social keeps [TS]

  going forward and you just see his [TS]

  reflection as he's watching the ship [TS]

  that was very nice and I'm i'm usually [TS]

  reflection shots are getting our gimmick [TS]

  so it takes a lot for me to like 1i like [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah i thought that was good i also like [TS]

  when they crashed the saucer which [TS]

  brought back yes structure generations [TS]

  to me i like that because that you feel [TS]

  very final and then they go back there [TS]

  and that little bit of its much someone [TS]

  of it [TS]

  yeah i thought that was really great [TS]

  that they don't know it'sit's yes crash [TS]

  we're gonna go back into the crash and [TS]

  and get some stuff and smush the lady [TS]

  who doesn't who has to be speak through [TS]

  the translator which I like that part [TS]

  that with the swishing i like but having [TS]

  the [TS]

  the traffic i like that the part where [TS]

  she had to step into like the universal [TS]

  translator booth or whatever and then [TS]

  yeah give her a little thing I like all [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah and I i like i like that subplot to [TS]

  of of showing Kirk thinking a couple [TS]

  moves a hit he's playing [TS]

  three-dimensional chess which you don't [TS]

  often see in these movies certain yeah [TS]

  there's a nice moment with so check out [TS]

  these interactions in this movie are [TS]

  very much sort of like watching Kirk [TS]

  work and there's a nice moment where he [TS]

  says how how long did you know and he's [TS]

  like well not right away but you know [TS]

  i'm kurt kinda like works tells him like [TS]

  how he figured it out but I i like i [TS]

  like some of those moments to where it's [TS]

  that kind of mentoring thing course very [TS]

  sad and elgin died then you know This Is [TS]

  It this is it for checkoff he you know [TS]

  he did a good job he he's doing what I [TS]

  think is fundamental that check out in [TS]

  the original series 2 which is that he's [TS]

  very young and has a lot to learn he's [TS]

  very capable but he has a lot to learn [TS]

  and here he sort of learning about being [TS]

  you know being a commander and and the [TS]

  tricks that Captain Kirk as and i like [TS]

  that pairing I thought that was an [TS]

  interesting little love little pairing [TS]

  between those two armed [TS]

  oh I wanted to mention the other thing [TS]

  that I i thought i saw in the trailer [TS]

  that made me roll my eyes that I [TS]

  actually you know that and people after [TS]

  they saw the movie where we're talking [TS]

  about that i really liked which was [TS]

  using the Beastie Boys yes yes yes it [TS]

  was broad and it was silly and yet I [TS]

  felt like it was properly set up the [TS]

  fact that that jayla is listening to [TS]

  fight the power earlier and Scotty make [TS]

  talks about the classical music and all [TS]

  that she says she likes the beat and all [TS]

  of that and and again this is a movie [TS]

  where every single thing that you see is [TS]

  set up for later in the movie baby comes [TS]

  back around but the fact that they know [TS]

  that it's funny and that the and that [TS]

  she pick sabotage and that Kirk goes [TS]

  good choice and like is that classical [TS]

  music all of those jokes i had that they [TS]

  have to use the radial pulse to disrupt [TS]

  the things I know it's silly I know it's [TS]

  very somebody said very very much like a [TS]

  doctor who plot resolution [TS]

  yeah but you know what I felt like they [TS]

  set it up properly and it just made me I [TS]

  just enjoyed it [TS]

  I I don't have [TS]

  my eyes I wasn't cynical about it was [TS]

  like you know what it sabotage again [TS]

  like in the first movie and it's funny [TS]

  and let's do it like the Beastie Boys [TS]

  win ok to me that retro actively makes [TS]

  it work and in 2009 I didn't like it in [TS]

  the 2009 when I was like come on this is [TS]

  stupid and is this makes it pay off [TS]

  this is a beautiful use of it and I mean [TS]

  I i think i said in slack [TS]

  it's almost like a throwaway gag from [TS]

  spaced come to life it's like you know [TS]

  what if the enterprise had to you know [TS]

  fight off the thing using radio and [TS]

  these wrap something rap yeah it just [TS]

  seems like a joke simon pegg would have [TS]

  made years and years ago and now he gets [TS]

  to actually make it happen and I i like [TS]

  that i thought that was great [TS]

  yeah that that scene actually it it kind [TS]

  of won me over at the beginning of it I [TS]

  was not I was not on board simply [TS]

  because the way that everything was put [TS]

  together it was like this is supposed to [TS]

  be a really fun scene like you're [TS]

  supposed to go along for the ride and at [TS]

  that point I kind of had been having a [TS]

  lot of fun to the rest of the movie so I [TS]

  was like you haven't earned this film [TS]

  like why am i why should i be having [TS]

  little bit but the music for LG [TS]

  entertain me with the music and and just [TS]

  the way everything had been properly [TS]

  setup at least 44 for that particular [TS]

  part it's sort of i couldn't help it i [TS]

  ended up i was smiling by the end of it [TS]

  and I i liked it in spite of my in spite [TS]

  of myself so so yeah it it took a couple [TS]

  of of seconds for me to sort of settle [TS]

  into it because I was like wait a minute [TS]

  what are you trying to do to be movie [TS]

  but you know what it did it to me [TS]

  so there you go there's some there's [TS]

  some joy to that seem right like that [TS]

  they're kind of their kind of moving to [TS]

  the music and they are doing their job [TS]

  and they are beating the bad guy and [TS]

  they have figured it out and they're [TS]

  smart and they're going to win all of [TS]

  those things happen in that moment which [TS]

  is which is what really gets me on its [TS]

  side to is like everybody's having a [TS]

  good time being the bad guy [TS]

  yeah let's do this we're all having a [TS]

  good time now and they figure it out as [TS]

  a team [TS]

  it isn't just current or Spock which is [TS]

  a nice touch [TS]

  it's like they all they all realize this [TS]

  and they put it together together which [TS]

  that was very nice [TS]

  now once once they get into the Yorktown [TS]

  and especially once they get to know [TS]

  because you have to have the fist fight [TS]

  I thought I i did think the setting of [TS]

  the fist fight was clever I kind of [TS]

  liked having you know a clear room and [TS]

  you know in the middle of space where [TS]

  we're gravity in the air of ya and I [TS]

  like the weird gravity lot you know [TS]

  again it was a clever concept was it [TS]

  shot well I don't think so [TS]

  I fundamentally i have a problem with [TS]

  that you know the MacGuffin it is such a [TS]

  MacGuffin like to literally to the point [TS]

  of we have a box that if you open this [TS]

  room with me I will kill everybody [TS]

  it's just you know I don't know a I like [TS]

  you said there's got to be a fistfight [TS]

  at the end I guess I had that moment in [TS]

  this movie where I thought oh I think [TS]

  the problem with the series is that they [TS]

  are they all it all last one [TS]

  confrontation too long like in Star Trek [TS]

  into darkness if they had ended it where [TS]

  they defeat the the big ship and cons [TS]

  ship crashes the end that's a or or con [TS]

  ship is blown up and that's the end I [TS]

  think that's a better i think that's a [TS]

  better movie it is i think in in this [TS]

  movie when as much as I like the look of [TS]

  the Yorktown stuff I felt like they had [TS]

  already earned their victory and so now [TS]

  what are they what are they fighting for [TS]

  its that double ending again and as much [TS]

  as I liked the stuff in the inn in new [TS]

  york town much better than I like the [TS]

  fist fight and stuff on earth into [TS]

  darkness it still felt like it was one [TS]

  too many things [TS]

  it's like let's do the end of into [TS]

  darkness maybe a little bit more [TS]

  interesting but it's still the same [TS]

  thing [TS]

  yeah yeah i'm also McCoy and Spock were [TS]

  flying around in that little ship while [TS]

  the whole climax goes on for a very long [TS]

  time but yes we're well he did say he [TS]

  didn't know how to land so I see if he's [TS]

  always yes it is also he did a couple of [TS]

  circuits in the hallway and exactly and [TS]

  that place is really big swing from the [TS]

  splashdown or something but knowing they [TS]

  had to save save Kirk in the end what [TS]

  have we not covered that that you think [TS]

  we should mention well one of the I'm [TS]

  not a person who [TS]

  notices whether or not the special [TS]

  effects are all that good but one of the [TS]

  things that I did notice was there [TS]

  seemed to be and this could be someone [TS]

  can check the actual footage and see if [TS]

  it's true or not but there seems to be a [TS]

  lot more aliens just kind of milling [TS]

  about in this movie and then in the [TS]

  previous two which I really liked [TS]

  because you always feel like you know [TS]

  their budgets and things that you can't [TS]

  have that many great aliens but it [TS]

  always felt like there are humans all [TS]

  over the place and then you've got [TS]

  someone who looks kind of like a human [TS]

  but he has a bump on the snows and [TS]

  there's your alien this one they are [TS]

  actually aliens kind of will not [TS]

  actually put their representations of [TS]

  aliens in this fictional universe that [TS]

  are just kind of there at one of my [TS]

  favorite moments in the movie is when [TS]

  Kirk is off to separate the saucer and [TS]

  he sees an dancin and he's like I need [TS]

  your help and you think oh she's good [TS]

  she's gonna help him you know with the [TS]

  the separating separation of thought [TS]

  yeah but then she disappears you like [TS]

  what happened there and then spin once [TS]

  again that you know Jason it gets paid [TS]

  off later when she opens her head yes [TS]

  open your head and out comes the part of [TS]

  the government the top suit or whatever [TS]

  because yeah then choose she's [TS]

  disintegrated with it as a thank you [TS]

  yeah she was kind of dumb I mean I like [TS]

  I liked her aesthetic but but really i [TS]

  don't i don't see why she gave up so [TS]

  quickly like you know people are gonna [TS]

  die [TS]

  why don't you just use one of our main [TS]

  characters you decide though I have to [TS]

  say them [TS]

  yes but overall I say thumbs up to [TS]

  having lots of aliens everywhere because [TS]

  it makes you feel like Star Trek has [TS]

  budget I I loved all the the grace notes [TS]

  and references and in jokes that you [TS]

  know peg being a fan is going to put in [TS]

  there right right down to McCoy wearing [TS]

  a medallion at the very end like you [TS]

  want to go back out there you go back [TS]

  out there that was a nice touch and and [TS]

  he admitted on twitter that yes that was [TS]

  intentionally the the you know McCoy [TS]

  showing up in the motion picture with [TS]

  the medallion and when he they say yeah [TS]

  whatever happened to the front whether [TS]

  rumors that encounter giant green hand [TS]

  and space yes [TS]

  I I was the only person who laughed in [TS]

  the room which was in the credits [TS]

  yeah during the closing credits [TS]

  sequences so there's a little leak and [TS]

  see like just this the side of a giant [TS]

  green hands like a look at know there's [TS]

  a lot of little bits a lot of movie [TS]

  things like i said i felt like i was [TS]

  reminded of many Star Trek movies good [TS]

  and bad in the little bits that they [TS]

  took that I I felt were you know kind of [TS]

  intentional like the dune buggies in [TS]

  emphasis is echoed by the by the [TS]

  motorcycle and we got the enterprise [TS]

  blowing up that land which is in [TS]

  although practically all the Star Trek [TS]

  movies but you got kirk's a curse whole [TS]

  thing with his his birthday bothering [TS]

  him and him thinking about being an [TS]

  admiral that's a that's a call back i [TS]

  had those interaction feelings about [TS]

  about crawl that you know I is a bunch [TS]

  of different star trek movies kind of [TS]

  remember it all and episodes too and I [TS]

  saw a lot of deficits [TS]

  oh yeah so you know in the end I want to [TS]

  see it again [TS]

  um I didn't I didn't dislike it i just [TS]

  found it I found it kind of flawed and [TS]

  I'm disappointed i guess that the plot [TS]

  didn't make more sense that the address [TS]

  elva wasn't better used I felt like you [TS]

  know the plot was engineered to get us a [TS]

  moment of surprise about his origin that [TS]

  it didn't really earn and that made him [TS]

  actually like much worse of villain [TS]

  because his story was to truncated and [TS]

  obfuscate adapt and it's too bad that he [TS]

  could have been a straightforward alien [TS]

  or a straightforward angry human and it [TS]

  would have been fine but instead he's [TS]

  like a magic trick and it's not as good [TS]

  that way so you know that it's just bits [TS]

  of it that I i disappoint me but it's [TS]

  not a bad movie i would say i think it's [TS]

  a good I think it's a good movie by the [TS]

  standards of star trek to as we've done [TS]

  on several episodes there have been some [TS]

  really bad Star Trek movies this is one [TS]

  of those I just was hoping I think for [TS]

  more than I know I got and I have to [TS]

  sort of take my pleasure in the parts of [TS]

  it that I do like which is the character [TS]

  bits and some of the visuals and and a [TS]

  few v specific scenes there there are a [TS]

  lot of scenes that could have been [TS]

  better lit oh it's so dark it's so dark [TS]

  I saw 3d showing and that makes it even [TS]

  darker [TS]

  and-and-and like the scenes the fight [TS]

  scenes on the enterprise [TS]

  I couldn't even see it wasn't even on [TS]

  camera movement I couldn't see what was [TS]

  happening it was so dark and yeah I I [TS]

  and i don't know i hope that would look [TS]

  better in a 2d screening but maybe not [TS]

  AJ's not what I had and I just had [TS]

  moments in the in the enterprise a [TS]

  boarding scenes where I i thought to [TS]

  myself i have no idea what the hell is [TS]

  going on now because I can't see [TS]

  anything when when they go back to the [TS]

  saucer it's the same thing it's you know [TS]

  it's darker than the saucer flips and [TS]

  you go okay yeah yeah i think overall [TS]

  for me I i would say maybe like roughly [TS]

  a quarter [TS]

  a quarter [TS]

  of the film and i don't mean this [TS]

  chronologically I mean of everything put [TS]

  together and I think I actually disliked [TS]

  about a quarter of it there's a quarter [TS]

  of that i thought was just kind of man [TS]

  there was a quarter but I sort of liked [TS]

  and there's a quarter that I really did [TS]

  like so I mean on the in the whole ends [TS]

  up being positive but it was really kind [TS]

  of a wide split their their peaks and [TS]

  valleys that were sharper than I had [TS]

  hoped going in Scotts quite a journey [TS]

  I enjoyed the movie it's not perfect [TS]

  obviously star trek though I was excited [TS]

  to see ya [TS]

  no matter what its form is and I think [TS]

  they mean the cast is great [TS]

  yes so that the NBA I feel like they [TS]

  even in 2009 felt like they were kind of [TS]

  clicking into the carrier the characters [TS]

  that they were playing pretty well and [TS]

  now they're doing even better than they [TS]

  were before so it's just fun and that's [TS]

  why I like Star Trek is because the [TS]

  characters interact with each other so [TS]

  the rest of it is just kind of fun for [TS]

  me so that if I enjoy the character [TS]

  interactions and I feel like the [TS]

  characters are acting the way that I [TS]

  think they would in these situations i'm [TS]

  happy and in some Star Trek movies you [TS]

  don't get the head so i think this one [TS]

  hit that base for me so kudos to them [TS]

  for that you know I i wonder how much of [TS]

  it is the weight of being the 50th [TS]

  anniversary of the show right [TS]

  how how much weight they feel they had [TS]

  to put into all of these references and [TS]

  all of these you know it because it's [TS]

  guy I had the same feeling with the [TS]

  specter the Bond film where it's like [TS]

  here's a bond reference and here's a [TS]

  bond reference and they forgot to [TS]

  actually make a good movie and and this [TS]

  i thought was better than Specter but [TS]

  you know would would have been with [TS]

  they've had more freedom to craft the [TS]

  script more they I know they wrote the [TS]

  script very quickly to my life I feel [TS]

  like maybe this is the pressure that [TS]

  Simon Pegg felt as a as a fan to do [TS]

  right by the franchise right at two yeah [TS]

  like I said I i think it was fine [TS]

  I the things that i liked about it i [TS]

  really really like and intervene [TS]

  yeah it's five days out since i saw it i [TS]

  buy i changed into darkness about two [TS]

  weeks after i saw but I think I will [TS]

  end up watching this more than certainly [TS]

  more than into darkness maybe even more [TS]

  than the 2009 when I don't know let's [TS]

  see but I it's just those interactions [TS]

  were so good for me [TS]

  well the the other thing i thought when [TS]

  i left the theater was you know what the [TS]

  next new star trek is it's a TV show [TS]

  that's right anywhere it's true [TS]

  not available on your TV it no we went [TS]

  if you're my ambulatory for the world [TS]

  you can get it on netflix if you're in [TS]

  canada can watch it on space and if [TS]

  you're in the u.s. you get to watch the [TS]

  pilot on CBS and then you'll need to pay [TS]

  for CBS all access but you know the [TS]

  upside to that is that CBS all access [TS]

  also includes all the star trek series [TS]

  as well so you can watch all the Star [TS]

  Trek that you want and I think I is so [TS]

  that that was gonna be my last topic [TS]

  before we go thinking about the star [TS]

  trek discovery is now the the name of it [TS]

  and I was thinking about about where [TS]

  where the star trek franchise goes and [TS]

  the box office for Star Trek beyond has [TS]

  been ok it's not great and it's not as [TS]

  good as the first two movies but it is [TS]

  that it's still pretty good and internet [TS]

  they're hoping for to do well [TS]

  internationally because these these [TS]

  three star trek movies have all been [TS]

  released internationally and the first [TS]

  two did very well internationally much [TS]

  better than any star trek movies [TS]

  previously so you know let's let's just [TS]

  assume it's gonna do fine and they're [TS]

  going to make a fourth movie [TS]

  okay great i think about where this [TS]

  franchise goes I think about like do [TS]

  they want to marvel eyes it right and [TS]

  have more movies that are not just about [TS]

  this cast but our other movie set in the [TS]

  star trek universe do what path they [TS]

  want to go down and have a moment of [TS]

  almost like an epiphany where I realized [TS]

  the problem is first off I'm not sure [TS]

  enough people love star trek for to be a [TS]

  star wars style movie franchise as much [TS]

  as I love star trek i'm not sure that [TS]

  there are enough people and there's [TS]

  enough money for them to put to make a [TS]

  machine to release Star Trek movies [TS]

  every every year but there's the bigger [TS]

  picture we talked about and passed [TS]

  incomparable episodes is Star Trek's not [TS]

  a movie franchise you know it's just not [TS]

  it's all its strength is in TV and [TS]

  although you can make these movies and [TS]

  if they make more that's great i'll pay [TS]

  to see them in the end I think what's [TS]

  what's behind peoples you know lack of [TS]

  enthusiasm for its another sci-fi action [TS]

  movie is just the fact that what a lot [TS]

  of people want out of Star Trek is not [TS]

  something a movie franchise can give [TS]

  them because star trek is not a movie [TS]

  franchise it's a TV series with some [TS]

  spin-off movies so I that moment coming [TS]

  out of the theater which is these movies [TS]

  are nice i hope they make more of them [TS]

  but at the same time I really am more [TS]

  excited about coming back to TV because [TS]

  I think that's what Star Trek is and I [TS]

  think that Star Trek's like ideal form [TS]

  that's what its best at and these things [TS]

  are fun but even the original series [TS]

  movies right [TS]

  it's kind of up it's not what it's it's [TS]

  not what Star Trek's good at its it's [TS]

  not it's best destiny too huh [TS]

  put in Captains terms yeah you know it [TS]

  they made the right choice in recasting [TS]

  in the way they were able to create a [TS]

  second universe of Star Trek for the [TS]

  movies because i think to the bulk of [TS]

  the world star trek is Kirk and Spock [TS]

  and McCoy and his other people who hang [TS]

  out with them and that's fine [TS]

  I you know I love them but i think you [TS]

  know part of part of why we fell in love [TS]

  with it was because we saw it every day [TS]

  in syndication when we were kids and and [TS]

  the generation after his got next [TS]

  generation and deep space nine and [TS]

  Voyager and got to see those every week [TS]

  and then every day and for you know I [TS]

  watch my kids it's it's a presence in [TS]

  their lives because i like Star Trek [TS]

  it's not because they're watching TV [TS]

  it's not because there's a lot of choice [TS]

  on TV and like you have you have to [TS]

  physically make the choice to watch [TS]

  stuff right [TS]

  the stuff that's just you know if you [TS]

  just turn on the TV it's probably going [TS]

  to be friends or seinfeld or the big [TS]

  bang theory and reality shows [TS]

  so you have to actively choose to watch [TS]

  something it's great that you can it's [TS]

  great that it's all there on netflix and [TS]

  CBS access and all that stuff but it [TS]

  doesn't have the same presence for them [TS]

  you know and and even star wars star [TS]

  wars is omnipresent because of Disney [TS]

  because of you know the same thing with [TS]

  Marvel it's just everywhere and you go [TS]

  to the mall and there's the store you go [TS]

  here you go and [TS]

  and I mean they were asking me where the [TS]

  star trek toys and so while they're in [TS]

  the specialty shops because nobody's [TS]

  making them for this movie right it's [TS]

  all the older stuff you know if it's [TS]

  like it's just not there but if it's a [TS]

  new TV show and if it's actively like [TS]

  hey here's the thing here's a new thing [TS]

  next week here's another one [TS]

  the excitement you know the [TS]

  eleven-year-old walked out friday night [TS]

  and said when's the next one that was [TS]

  amazing i want to see more [TS]

  well you're gonna have to worry about [TS]

  three or four years now we get to see [TS]

  something that's going to be a little [TS]

  brainier and tie into the whole universe [TS]

  of 600 and however many episodes of [TS]

  shows we've got and it's gonna be on [TS]

  every week for a couple of weeks i like [TS]

  that a little excited really felt that [TS]

  one of the things you said early on [TS]

  there and that's just talking about the [TS]

  characters because when I think about [TS]

  the parts of this movie that I like the [TS]

  most [TS]

  as I said before it was really the [TS]

  character parts and for me the Platonic [TS]

  ideal of Star Trek is absolutely a TV [TS]

  show and that's in part because you get [TS]

  a chance to like you said without it's [TS]

  not just the repetition but it's the [TS]

  fact that you get to spend more time [TS]

  with these people and you get to know [TS]

  them and I think the only reason that we [TS]

  are feeling so warm and fuzzy with these [TS]

  characters in the movies is because we [TS]

  knew the prototype characters in the [TS]

  show back in the day I i do not think [TS]

  that I would have the same same feels [TS]

  about those pairings on this movie if I [TS]

  hadn't seen what can I went before [TS]

  actually have a friend who had not seen [TS]

  any of the Star Trek movies previously [TS]

  done and I don't even know if she'd ever [TS]

  seen the show and she went to this movie [TS]

  was not particularly impressed by it and [TS]

  I can't say I blame her because there's [TS]

  the E the roots of this movie go back so [TS]

  so deeply and it's because of the TV [TS]

  show so i am looking forward to a new [TS]

  crew a new type of star trek on [TS]

  television that will have a chance to to [TS]

  let those characters breathe and we'll [TS]

  get to see them do more than just one [TS]

  thing every couple years you know i wish [TS]

  i wish the economics of entertainment [TS]

  were such that we could watch even you [TS]

  know six or eight hours of [TS]

  these characters doing episodes right [TS]

  because i think they would be very good [TS]

  at it but they also it would never [TS]

  they would not be able to afford them [TS]

  right it's prohibitively expensive TV TV [TS]

  and movies are getting closer together [TS]

  and we may we may reach that point but [TS]

  that's the unfortunate thing is that you [TS]

  can get such a great cast but you can't [TS]

  get them together for a TV show you can [TS]

  only get them together every three or [TS]

  four years for one movie and that's too [TS]

  bad but that's the power of of TV is [TS]

  they're going to cast cast for Star Trek [TS]

  discovery and those people are going to [TS]

  be together for at least that you know [TS]

  10 hour or 13 hours or whatever they do [TS]

  season and hopefully for more after that [TS]

  so yeah [TS]

  Star Trek so Scott do you do you gasps [TS]

  when I said star trek is another [TS]

  franchise but there what do you what do [TS]

  you think I'm calling on your gasp well [TS]

  technically I have to be that way it is [TS]

  in fact a movie franchise but you know [TS]

  it i agree with you that it is far [TS]

  better suited as a television show [TS]

  because as erica was saying you can have [TS]

  I just watched an episode of deep space [TS]

  nine for random track that focused on as [TS]

  Redax for some unknown reason but a [TS]

  whole hour of her going off and visiting [TS]

  her family and you wouldn't that totally [TS]

  would not be if they did a deep space [TS]

  nine season 7 movie or season 8i guess [TS]

  movie [TS]

  you totally wouldn't have an 45 minutes [TS]

  of that movie devoted to ESRI decks just [TS]

  going off and chillin with her family [TS]

  but when you have whatever 24 episodes [TS]

  in the season you can do that because [TS]

  you need to fill a lot of time basically [TS]

  but you also get to see more of the [TS]

  character and it develops and so it's [TS]

  great so i am very excited for the TV [TS]

  show to come I'm not excited for the [TS]

  inevitable articles from Star Trek fans [TS]

  that will tell me how this star trek [TS]

  isn't real star track and he doesn't [TS]

  Hugh to the Roddenberry wishes and all [TS]

  the stuff and there's you know there's [TS]

  too much of this and not enough of that [TS]

  or [TS]

  whatever there are always fans who are [TS]

  ready to tell other fans that their [TS]

  Fanning it wrong and as we've said [TS]

  before on this very podcast those people [TS]

  are bad people [TS]

  nobody gets to tell other people what [TS]

  they like extract I think it's like I [TS]

  said earlier I think it's fine if you [TS]

  you you don't like something that's cool [TS]

  but uh you know nobody is the arbiter of [TS]

  what makes something something even the [TS]

  person who creates it is not the arbiter [TS]

  of that once you such release it into [TS]

  the public you lose all that control so [TS]

  when you know going back to talk about [TS]

  episodes thinking back on our favorite [TS]

  Star Trek stories you know across all of [TS]

  the media [TS]

  what are you one of the best episodes [TS]

  you know the inner light you're never [TS]

  going to get a big screen movie that [TS]

  tells the story of the inner light [TS]

  that's a great story never gonna happen [TS]

  in a big movie right [TS]

  sitting on the edge of forever the [TS]

  visitor no but it's gotta be big big [TS]

  movie has to be what it has to be [TS]

  yeah at and so basically what you're [TS]

  getting is you're getting the action [TS]

  sequence of a story and that's all you [TS]

  get [TS]

  because there aren't other na in a TV [TS]

  season you can have all of those [TS]

  different the ebb and flow and the [TS]

  different kinds of stories being told [TS]

  but in a in a blockbuster movie in the [TS]

  Marvel movies have the same issue which [TS]

  is I like civil war because it for many [TS]

  reasons a that are some water starter [TS]

  beyond a they spent they did some [TS]

  character stuff and they're paying off [TS]

  character things from previous movies [TS]

  but in the end it's a you know there's a [TS]

  maximum amount of time you can spend on [TS]

  one of these movies to two-and-a-half [TS]

  hours or whatever and you gotta you [TS]

  gotta deliver because it's a giant [TS]

  blockbuster movie not a quirky episode [TS]

  of a TV show and that's just how the [TS]

  economics work again you if you want to [TS]

  pick Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto and [TS]

  and so we settled on a united and Karl [TS]

  Urban and everybody else you want to pay [TS]

  all those people stuffs gonna blow up [TS]

  just how it is a lot of it [TS]

  yeah frequently and then they have to [TS]

  fight something [TS]

  yeah although i do wishin and this is [TS]

  something that just that you said that I [TS]

  wish they could the next movie perhaps [TS]

  not have some kind of central villain [TS]

  madman bent on revenge because each one [TS]

  so far has done that maybe something [TS]

  different [TS]

  somebody else could be up to no good [TS]

  where I got something [TS]

  how about a planet-wide computer that [TS]

  controls the culture and camping trip [TS]

  and like talk to talking into blind [TS]

  yourself up [TS]

  I hope that the first little mini [TS]

  episode of the next movie is that that [TS]

  would be great [TS]

  oh my god yeah i think the next one is [TS]

  going to be traveling through time to [TS]

  save Kirk's father because we can't we [TS]

  can't let go of JJ's mystery box full of [TS]

  daddy issues [TS]

  yeah well soon we'll see I know they've [TS]

  announced that the they're going to do a [TS]

  movie and chris hemsworth is going to be [TS]

  in it somehow as Kirk together but well [TS]

  it's supposed to be written by the two [TS]

  guys who were supposed to be reading [TS]

  this one and then that got scrapped so [TS]

  it's like well maybe that will get [TS]

  scrapped to yeah that's that's my father [TS]

  is that what movie will Simon Pegg right [TS]

  when the first screenplay turns out to [TS]

  be terribly did it fit inside the egg [TS]

  back I'd be okay with simon pegg coming [TS]

  back to write because i do think that he [TS]

  is very very clear that he cares about [TS]

  these characters that if you know it i [TS]

  may have had trouble with the action [TS]

  sequences and some of the plot stuff but [TS]

  but he he's a fan and he cares and that [TS]

  that goes a long way [TS]

  that's what I said about Ghostbusters [TS]

  last week which is I could feel the love [TS]

  for the franchise [TS]

  yeah by the creators while i watch the [TS]

  movie like there's no doubt about it [TS]

  that the people who wrote this this [TS]

  movie care about Star Trek just in the [TS]

  same way the people who wrote [TS]

  Ghostbusters new Ghostbusters the [TS]

  original backward and forward you can [TS]

  feel it and I love that about it all [TS]

  right I think we've reached the end of [TS]

  our talk [TS]

  we've gone beyond well beyond that's [TS]

  what were they going beyond in that [TS]

  movie I don't understand they were going [TS]

  beyond the nebula [TS]

  go beyond explain and explored space it [TS]

  is so nebula by the way nebulas don't [TS]

  work like that that's like saying we're [TS]

  gonna try looking on a cloud over there [TS]

  it's like it's just a cloud you go [TS]

  around it there's lots of ways to go [TS]

  around its but it's an unstable nebula [TS]

  yeah well in Star Trek nebulas are not [TS]

  like they are in reality I i justyou got [TS]

  to go with that nebulas are like you [TS]

  gotta think it's like that it's like the [TS]

  Old West nebula is like a desert we just [TS]

  don't know what's on the other side of [TS]

  it and that's just just go get with the [TS]

  metaphor but yes they went beyond the [TS]

  nebula just like in the structure [TS]

  against direction where there's an [TS]

  unstable maybe alright i hope that goes [TS]

  beyond the briar patch yeah right yeah [TS]

  well least Spock wasn't like getting a [TS]

  shave for more her in the bathtub in [TS]

  this one boy [TS]

  imagine taking that up because back then [TS]

  okay okay before you making me think i [TS]

  can get more thank you for going beyond [TS]

  any time I'm gonna go listen to some [TS]

  classical music okay Erica thank you for [TS]

  going above and beyond [TS]

  thank you you know it may be a tracking [TS]

  device but I kind of want one of those [TS]

  cute little necklaces are and Scott [TS]

  multi you went above and beyond but it [TS]

  is your call of duty as a Star Trek fan [TS]

  yes okay well that's it for this episode [TS]

  in Kabul and if we don't talk to you [TS]

  before then will at the very least be [TS]

  back with another star trek episode when [TS]

  Star Trek discovery appears in January [TS]

  2017 but until next week on the [TS]

  uncomfortable I've been your host Jason [TS]

  cell [TS]

  goodbye everybody live long and prosper [TS]

  yeah we'll say that [TS]

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