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0:00:07the incomparable number 311 july 2016
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0:00:17welcome back everybody to the
0:00:18uncomfortable i am your host Jason snail
0:00:20and we're gonna do another flash cast
0:00:21that's two in a row i tell people that
0:00:23we don't talk about movies that are
0:00:25currently in theaters because it's very
0:00:26hard to get a panel together to talk
0:00:28about movies that are currently in
0:00:29theaters and yet we've done it two weeks
0:00:30in a row so don't get used to it is what
0:00:31I'm saying this may not ever happen
0:00:34again but we are going to talk about
0:00:35Star Trek beyond directed by Justin Lin
0:00:38with a script by Doug young and and
0:00:41simon pegg your buddy
0:00:42Scotty and joining me to talk about Star
0:00:44Trek beyond the latest the the
0:00:46what-is-it what-is-it I lost lost
0:00:48consciousness district 13 essentially if
0:00:50you count that high school bad omen blue
0:00:53joining me to talk about it
0:00:55David lower high a we've got no ship no
0:00:58crew how are we going to get out of this
0:01:00one
0:01:01we have a small crew a very ragtag group
0:01:03of rebels down on a planet where the
0:01:06erica and sign
0:01:07hi I'm a ragtag rebel who yeah barely
0:01:10there we go
0:01:11and Scott McNulty of course is here
0:01:14because I wouldn't talk about Star Trek
0:01:16without Scott Scott please state the
0:01:18nature of the medical emergency
0:01:20still not wearing pants oh thank you
0:01:26what what okay so started beyond it was
0:01:29it's here it's a it's interesting i've
0:01:31seen a lot of people that everybody was
0:01:34really negative after the trailer came
0:01:36out like they're like oh well Justin Lin
0:01:38he's a fast and furious director they're
0:01:39just going to give us an action movie
0:01:41I don't know how long it's going to take
0:01:43if ever for people to twig to the fact
0:01:46that if you make a large budget sci fi
0:01:48movie that drops in the summertime it's
0:01:51probably going to be a tentpole action
0:01:53movie even if it's called Star Trek
0:01:55because that's sort of the business that
0:01:57they're in and and so you know they used
0:02:00in action director here I i think i
0:02:03think this is a pretty ambitious movie I
0:02:05think there's a lot of action and I
0:02:06think they tried to do some stuff that
0:02:07was true star trek Lissa I'm gonna I'm
0:02:12gonna reverse everything that's going to
0:02:13be kind of topsy-turvy I wanted to ask
0:02:15everybody just upfront what were you
0:02:17what you know walking so walking out of
0:02:19the theater your first thoughts uh how
0:02:21do you feel this one rates in terms of
0:02:23the JJ Abrams Star Trek trilogy because
0:02:27JJ Abrams still producer on this even
0:02:29though he didn't direct it
0:02:30and maybe in terms of Star Trek movies
0:02:32as a whole
0:02:33David what about you I loved it I i
0:02:36walked out of the theater ready to see
0:02:38it again i know they announced the
0:02:40fourth one and I I want them to just let
0:02:43Simon Pegg do that one too just let them
0:02:45write it so where do you think your
0:02:47rates uh well i think it's it's for me
0:02:50it's the best of the JJ movies and and
0:02:53you know i think i have to see it again
0:02:55just to let it sink in but it's it's in
0:03:00the top third of all the trek movies for
0:03:02me I think kristen i enjoyed it that
0:03:04much Erica what about you
0:03:06interesting that you ask for the walking
0:03:07out of the theater feeling because
0:03:09because I was actually feeling pretty
0:03:12good by the time I walked out of the
0:03:13theater but it took at least two three
0:03:15quarters of the movie to get me they're
0:03:17so so yeah it in the end I I i like the
0:03:21end of it but I think when it comes down
0:03:24to the walking out of the theater
0:03:25feeling I don't think anything is going
0:03:28to compare with the elation of the 2009
0:03:31movie which I saw with some of my
0:03:32deepest like geekiest Star Trek fan
0:03:36friends and they had been very worried
0:03:38about it and really enjoyed it so coming
0:03:41out of that was just like kind of a
0:03:43feeling of of great elation and this was
0:03:46this was fine it wasn't great elation
0:03:48and i am one of those people that
0:03:50actually enjoyed star trek beyond quite
0:03:52a bit for not starting yet I mean I'm
0:03:54into darkness quite a bit so I mean if I
0:03:57am forced to rate them this is actually
0:03:59at the bottom of my list currently and
0:04:02Scott worried about you
0:04:03well when I left the movie theater i was
0:04:06happy i enjoyed the the movie i also get
0:04:09a free movie pass for another movie so
0:04:11that helps i think but even if I didn't
0:04:14get that I would have been happy because
0:04:17I enjoyed it i thought was fun and
0:04:19really isn't the whole point of going to
0:04:21a movie is to have a little fun unless
0:04:24you're going to like some swedish movie
0:04:25or something
0:04:27nobody has fun sweetie always right take
0:04:29that Sweden yeah the seventh seal is a
0:04:32blast you kidding me in imax and so is
0:04:36where i rank them in john scalzi posted
0:04:39something that I thought was interesting
0:04:40he said he thought it was the best of
0:04:42the third
0:04:42Star Trek movies question you know
0:04:45you're here
0:04:46comparing it to insurrection and star
0:04:48trek 3 the search for spock so i think
0:04:51that is true it is the best time yeah
0:04:53the third entrance in structuring
0:04:55franchises go with that I thought it was
0:04:59my second favorite of the JJ Abrams
0:05:03movies star trek 2009 i think still
0:05:05beats it because just like what Eric was
0:05:07saying it was so new and exciting to
0:05:11have a star trek movie again that wasn't
0:05:14kind of petering out because the last
0:05:16couple of next-generation movies were
0:05:18not very good so the star trek 2009 had
0:05:22low expectations but it blew me away
0:05:25into darkness was fine i liked a lot but
0:05:29I didn't have the guy i watch 2009 again
0:05:35over the weekend to prepare for this
0:05:37podcast i was gonna watch into darkness
0:05:39and I just didn't get around to it but i
0:05:41don't like it i like Robocop so thumbs
0:05:44up to that Admiral robocop that's right
0:05:48my I'm kind of in the same camp as Erica
0:05:52here I actually really like star trek
0:05:53into darkness and I wallet while I think
0:05:57it is telling that i have not really
0:06:01watch star trek into darkness as many
0:06:03times as I have already watched Star
0:06:05Trek 2009 and so as a result i would
0:06:08certainly rate you that the first of the
0:06:11the JJ Abrams movies over it i don't
0:06:16think i would rate star trek beyond over
0:06:18it and I actually it's funny because my
0:06:19expectations have been lowered somewhat
0:06:21by that trailer and then they had been
0:06:22raised by some of the good word of mouth
0:06:25that came out as the movie was was was
0:06:28arriving and when I went to see it what
0:06:30I found
0:06:31I thought was something that was has a
0:06:33lot of good stuff in it and I want to
0:06:34see it again because I suspect that
0:06:36perhaps it just hit me wrong and i wanna
0:06:39i want to give it its due as a Star Trek
0:06:41fan but at the same time I saw a lot of
0:06:44laws in it that made me think like okay
0:06:47movie
0:06:48what are you doing right now and that's
0:06:50not a great that's not a great position
0:06:51to be and I think I felt like and we can
0:06:53get into this but I feel like the
0:06:55director
0:06:55was really ambitious and his talent
0:06:59didn't really allow him to fulfill all
0:07:03of his ambitions I like I felt like his
0:07:04his reach exceeds 20 his grasp Thank You
0:07:07mr. writer man punching above his weight
0:07:10yeah i mean i love that he i loved the
0:07:12ambition of some of the visuals in this
0:07:14but i don't think they were executed
0:07:15very well yes what was that note I I
0:07:18like I want Simon figure-eight Nick I
0:07:20didn't say anything about who should
0:07:22direct oh but I thought it was a is
0:07:25competent yeah and I thought it was a
0:07:28very different feel to the movies right
0:07:31so I know there's a lot of people on
0:07:33Twitter that follow that are like oh
0:07:34it's not real star trek whatever real
0:07:36star trek is this argument i don't buy
0:07:40the sets are cardboard come on you can I
0:07:43mean you totally everyone is entitled to
0:07:45their opinion but kind of judging what
0:07:47real star trek is and what it isn't i
0:07:49think is completely bogus right and
0:07:51they're people like well it's not
0:07:52cerebral so it can't be star trek and I
0:07:55think really have you watched a lot of
0:07:56Star Trek because there are some
0:08:00cerebral episodes of Star Trek but by
0:08:02and large there are a lot of that arms
0:08:05but actually the century more common
0:08:08really exactly thats but i thought this
0:08:09was so JJ Abrams has a very particular
0:08:11kind of style and obviously the first
0:08:13two movies had that style so this was
0:08:16kind of a refreshing new take on it a
0:08:18very frenetic which i think almost
0:08:21worked in some scenes but didn't quite I
0:08:24had trouble and Jason you and I were
0:08:26talking about this in slack i had
0:08:29trouble sometimes knowing what I was
0:08:30supposed to be looking at and what was
0:08:32going on
0:08:33you just never a great thing in a movie
0:08:35I think unless they're trying to confuse
0:08:37you which I don't think they were trying
0:08:38to do here but if they were mission
0:08:41accomplished
0:08:42ok I hadn't thought about the not
0:08:44knowing what I was supposed to look at
0:08:45thing but you're right now that you say
0:08:47that I think that was one of my problems
0:08:48my other problem was the camera movement
0:08:51and my I appreciate it when a director
0:08:55tries to go for camera movement because
0:08:56i think it can be really really cool but
0:08:58I felt like well you know how in classic
0:09:01classic Star Trek you know that the
0:09:03ships would only ever meet each other in
0:09:04two dimensions and it was you know you
0:09:07basically get one kind of
0:09:08goal of the ships and stuff I felt like
0:09:10like this was trying to make up for
0:09:12several decades of traditional up and
0:09:15all in one hour and a half minutes that
0:09:18was just it honestly made me physically
0:09:20ill and that has not happened to me
0:09:21since I think the third jason bourne
0:09:23movie those are these are the only two
0:09:24movies that have ever made me feel sick
0:09:26in the theater good i saw it in imax 3d
0:09:28so there was a lot to watch what you're
0:09:31gonna say there's a lot of vomiting
0:09:33going I didn't see anybody but I think I
0:09:36think I I don't want to say i was
0:09:38reading somebody's review of middling
0:09:40review of ghostbusters where they said
0:09:42that a that they thought that puffy just
0:09:45couldn't direct action and I remember
0:09:47thinking after i saw Star Trek beyond
0:09:49like I don't know I felt like at least
0:09:51in ghostbusters there was a sense of
0:09:53geography and I think we just landed i
0:09:55don't want to say you can't direct
0:09:56action because he can direct action i
0:09:58think though there's certain kinds of
0:10:00action that he's very good at directing
0:10:01and when we see Captain Kirk riding
0:10:03around on his little motorcycle and
0:10:04stuff like that i think that the
0:10:06geography makes sense when people are
0:10:07fighting each other hand to hand I think
0:10:09the geography makes sense but once you
0:10:11get into those scenes where you are in
0:10:13space or your enemy of the Yorktown the
0:10:17Starbase where there which I are again I
0:10:20think the visuals of that space station
0:10:22are stunning the idea that because
0:10:24gravity is artificial you can have
0:10:26different cityscape sort of pointing at
0:10:27each other and perpendicular directions
0:10:29and stuff I think that's great but I
0:10:31think in those scenes he couldn't really
0:10:34get across the geography he was trying
0:10:36to convey and it ended up confusing in a
0:10:38way that even something that was trying
0:10:40to mess with your mind like Inception
0:10:42didn't it didn't confuse me in the way I
0:10:46think Christopher Nolan did a much
0:10:49better job of keeping his filmic
0:10:51geography intact and I I just don't
0:10:53think that Justin Lin managed it right i
0:10:55mean even even the fight scenes the
0:10:58hand-to-hand fight scenes for me they
0:11:01didn't land because the camera is
0:11:03continuously moving and zooming and
0:11:05cutting and twitching and shaking and
0:11:06jumping and swooping and you don't know
0:11:09what's happened until the fight is done
0:11:10it looked like they were choreographed
0:11:13very well I mean I fight choreography is
0:11:15something to pay attention to but the
0:11:18camera work was insane
0:11:20same for those and and and especially
0:11:22the swooping shaking a camera sequence
0:11:26of camera in the Yorktown sequence it
0:11:30didn't make me physically ill only only
0:11:32rainbow road and mario kart can do that
0:11:35oh god yes it is it was it was too much
0:11:38because you couldn't focus on what was
0:11:40going on you couldn't i'm even even when
0:11:42the cameras doing the shaking chittering
0:11:44thing like a look-see we're pretending
0:11:46its cinema very day it's not it doesn't
0:11:48have to shake you don't need that
0:11:51let the ship and the people shake keep
0:11:53the camera still it's okay you know it's
0:11:56not a car it's not the fast and furious
0:11:58so yeah I i did not like any of his
0:12:04action direction for the most part I i
0:12:07like the concept i like scenes i like
0:12:09the the design of things
0:12:12yeah but I did not think that as soon as
0:12:14it went into the the full-tilt action
0:12:16mode i did not think it was very very
0:12:18effective
0:12:19I'm and maybe it's because he's used to
0:12:21you know fast furious is fast and
0:12:23furious but their cars right it's two
0:12:25bedrooms you don't really see a lot of
0:12:26floating cars flying writers there's
0:12:28gravity
0:12:29exactly and I think he just was trying
0:12:31to do a whole lot with this he had a
0:12:33third dimension was like we've got to
0:12:35use the hell out of this third manage
0:12:36ambition right I appreciate being bitchy
0:12:38absolutely absolutely didn't come off
0:12:41no but I did like the Yorktown a lot
0:12:43thumbs up I guess the design it's so
0:12:46beautiful I I like those moments I i saw
0:12:48some people online complaining about the
0:12:50fact that that a starship emerges
0:12:52through water again and it's like me but
0:12:55I thought that it was so it was like so
0:12:56so perfect that it got to that point
0:12:58because we we had to let up to that
0:13:00point I i love the idea that not only
0:13:02are all those spaces perpendicular to
0:13:03each other because it's all artificial
0:13:05gravity anyway so it kind of doesn't
0:13:07matter but that you've also got little
0:13:08tubes that star ships come into and you
0:13:11can see them going by i'm not sure how
0:13:12practical that is and i also have some
0:13:15questions about their defense which
0:13:16appeared apparently as everybody sit
0:13:18inside and greg grunberg will look at
0:13:20the computer and tell you something's
0:13:22happening just just feel safer already
0:13:24if you've got millions and millions of
0:13:26people living in this in this should
0:13:28there be like Federation starships all
0:13:30around and shouldn't have liked more
0:13:32guns and things on the outside to
0:13:34protect them and apparently not
0:13:36apparently they don't but Greg Grunberg
0:13:37he's paying attention so there should be
0:13:39shields beyond the glass dome right he
0:13:42would think right but I expense I mean
0:13:45it's pretty it's but it's but it is such
0:13:47a super I i love the production design
0:13:50on this really i think i think this
0:13:52ship's look good i think the the
0:13:54Yorktown looks good i love a lot of the
0:13:57planet stuff i like i like the Franklin
0:13:59sets i think those are a lot of fun
0:14:02oh by the way who would have thought
0:14:03that there would never be like if you're
0:14:04a fan of Star Trek Enterprise this is as
0:14:07close as you're ever going to get to an
0:14:08enterprise movie so I hope you are doing
0:14:09it right so good in people who have idea
0:14:13the Yorktown appeared early enough in
0:14:15the film and I hadn't been completely
0:14:17sort of turned off by the way happy
0:14:19camper with moving and I was just I mean
0:14:21that first sequence there i was kind of
0:14:23ja a gape just in awe
0:14:25it was it was amazing i had a thought
0:14:27like if the incomparable ever does a
0:14:28space station draft that may be near the
0:14:30top of my list because i want to go to
0:14:33there
0:14:34it's beautiful it's just a beautiful
0:14:36thing I i think one of the things that
0:14:38film can do is make your drop like that
0:14:41and have that moment of like I I can't
0:14:43believe what I'm seeing now and I think
0:14:45that's pretty rare and I felt that same
0:14:47way which is like wow this is like a
0:14:49real fascinating visual from a star trek
0:14:52movie which honestly doesn't happen as
0:14:55much I like Star Trek movies that you
0:14:57know jaw-dropping visuals is not a thing
0:15:00that they tend to do and i was very
0:15:01impressed with that when i went with my
0:15:04eleven-year-old and every time the
0:15:06Yorktown came on-screen he would lean
0:15:09over and say I want to go there
0:15:11where is that American we can we go that
0:15:13great a film that is that I think most
0:15:15of it by existence
0:15:18yeah just go to devise just like that
0:15:19pic just hit yourself in the head with a
0:15:23brick when you buy
0:15:25I'm gonna see anything on the Yorktown
0:15:28and I'll i like what it kind of says
0:15:30about the the this moment of the
0:15:33Federation where they could build
0:15:34something like this and they're just so
0:15:35confident in their technology because
0:15:37something crazy and you can't build
0:15:39something like this if you're not super
0:15:42confident that it will stay together
0:15:43right because they're their buildings
0:15:45all over the place
0:15:46spaceships are flying through its it
0:15:47doesn't make any sense but if you did
0:15:49you know the the parallel to the culture
0:15:52books is striking into people who have
0:15:55read the culture books and see this
0:15:57movie and so I just thought you know
0:15:59this is portraying a federation that is
0:16:02very confident in its technology and
0:16:03then we see obviously later
0:16:06technology is a theater price goes up
0:16:08basically spoiler i think there are
0:16:12elements of lots of other Star Trek
0:16:14movies in this movie and interesting
0:16:15ways but one of the things that struck
0:16:17me was the story that is really in Star
0:16:20Trek the motion picture and also
0:16:21instruct her to which is the idea that
0:16:23you know Captain Kirk gives up his
0:16:25command and he becomes an admiral and
0:16:27then he regrets it because he wants to
0:16:29go and be a captain that's his best
0:16:31thing that he can do and in this movie
0:16:34what we get is we get chris pine's
0:16:36captain kirk and they've been out there
0:16:38for 43 years so I which I thought was
0:16:41kind of clever because that's how long
0:16:42we saw the original Star Trek's
0:16:44five-year mission was the first three
0:16:45years right now I got canceled and he's
0:16:47kind of burning out like he's he's just
0:16:49they've been doing this he says
0:16:51everything is episodic which made me
0:16:52laugh because yeah that would happen
0:16:55you're on a TV show do not know and um &
0:16:58ripped by shirt again and he's high know
0:17:01right it and he's burned he's burned out
0:17:04and he goes back and talk to her egg
0:17:06dash luat at Yorktown and she's like
0:17:08what we got your application to you know
0:17:10be able to be an admiral what so what
0:17:13did what people think I've had about
0:17:14that storyline and then in parallel
0:17:16there's a core Spock dealing with his
0:17:17mortality where we we get this stuff
0:17:20about about learning Moyes Spock uh
0:17:22obviously a hat tip to learn Nimoy that
0:17:25we hear that ambassador Spock has died
0:17:27and so Zachary Quintos Spock is dealing
0:17:31with that too
0:17:32so what do you think about those those
0:17:33themes because that's sort of the the
0:17:35character beats we get right at the
0:17:36front of the movie Chris Pine fell
0:17:38the Kirk easiest i think of all of the
0:17:40above all the movies up to this point so
0:17:42I mean he I feel like he's sort of
0:17:44settled in the role and I mean that if
0:17:47you like that the friendship between all
0:17:48of these characters is earned at this
0:17:50point because they've got three years
0:17:51under their belts as opposed to being
0:17:53all squished together and you know us
0:17:56supposed to think that yes so this makes
0:17:58perfect sense after they've just met so
0:18:00on that level it worked but I just I
0:18:05don't know it felt very sort of dour and
0:18:07and kind of glum and I did maybe it was
0:18:10because the camera was making me sick
0:18:12but I kind of didn't care until we
0:18:15started pairing characters off and that
0:18:17was when I started being interested in
0:18:20the interplay between the characters
0:18:21again probably because they're their
0:18:24friendship is earned by now but when it
0:18:27was just you know I don't really care
0:18:28about about Captain Kirk's man next
0:18:32sorry just don't write that that sort of
0:18:36lived-in feeling for all the characters
0:18:38is part of why I like this why i think i
0:18:40like the best of the three just because
0:18:42they have earned it
0:18:44they have a comfort level with each
0:18:46other that they didn't have even into
0:18:48darkness i would i would say and so yeah
0:18:51it I mean it was it was a little tower
0:18:54in the beginning that's that's a great
0:18:55word for it but I think it's meant to be
0:18:58i mean it is that these are sort of like
0:19:00these momentous life changes they're
0:19:02thinking about and the end Kirk and
0:19:05Spock haven't told each other what
0:19:07they're thinking about doing yet but yet
0:19:10is it is a little slow
0:19:13I think the scene with mccoy in the
0:19:15beginning where they're having a drink
0:19:16is is a little bit to try and lighten
0:19:19the mood a little maybe except there
0:19:22except it's really dark and they're
0:19:24drinking while the guys in death and you
0:19:27know but other than that it's pretty a
0:19:29bright lights and and i will i will say
0:19:31that the eleven-year-old leading zeros
0:19:33why is dr. McCoy searching Chekhov's
0:19:36locker that's not very nice
0:19:38yeah there's like four sentences that's
0:19:40true
0:19:41fair enough you you'd think a good old
0:19:44Southern doctor would be able to get
0:19:45alcohol without relying on the Russian I
0:19:48think that scene pays off some things
0:19:49with not only doesn't have a rest
0:19:51instead the first two original Star Trek
0:19:53movies but it pays off
0:19:55what we've seen of Kirk's origin in the
0:19:57original surgery 2009 and I like the
0:20:02residents of that it's it it's his
0:20:04birthday and starter to Captain Kirk is
0:20:05going through a birthday and regretting
0:20:07that being a captain anymore and I I
0:20:08mean maybe no Simon Pegg and presumably
0:20:12John although i don't know as much about
0:20:14him
0:20:14they know what they're paying off here
0:20:16from like old star trek movies and new
0:20:18star trek movies and I liked it
0:20:19although even then it goes on too long
0:20:21and it's and it's you on the nose
0:20:23especially that scene where he's like I
0:20:25know your father bit the dust on your
0:20:27birthday was like yeah we saw that we do
0:20:30decide we know we got it got it
0:20:32yeah got it Scott what about you what do
0:20:35you think about the about the captain
0:20:36kirk retirement you Admiral stuff and
0:20:41the spock stuff so the problem here that
0:20:44we talked about this every time we talk
0:20:46about the new star trek was right is
0:20:47that these this crew doesn't have the
0:20:50history that's the original Star Trek
0:20:52crew did right so they didn't three
0:20:54years of the show and then we have all
0:20:56these movies you know we don't have
0:20:58episodes that we miss it we're totally
0:21:00episodic but we didn't see and the
0:21:02characters are younger so some of it
0:21:05like it didn't really make much sense to
0:21:07me that he would be a vice-admiral other
0:21:10than the fact that he's super-awesome he
0:21:12seems a little young to be a
0:21:13vice-admiral yeah but I thought it was
0:21:16clever that they compress that
0:21:18three-year mission in the front to you
0:21:21know that montage of boredom for Kirk
0:21:23and we see the little aliens and the
0:21:26little aliens which I understand very
0:21:27funny scene
0:21:28yeah i was nicely done you get that
0:21:30first look bigger than they were little
0:21:32and they were no eating a muffin he had
0:21:34to get ready so i thought was
0:21:38interesting because it's so there's a
0:21:39lot of shorthand writing as a Star Trek
0:21:40fan I know the relationship so i can i
0:21:43can fill in a lot of the cap so it
0:21:45worked for me but I could understand how
0:21:47it's just kind of rushed because they
0:21:50asked don't have the time their movies
0:21:52they can't you can't make a teen movies
0:21:55before you can get to this plot right
0:21:56now they don't have to imply that we've
0:21:58seen 322 episode 66 episode 3 you know
0:22:02three seasons and now there
0:22:04like remember how Star Trek at three
0:22:06seasons it's kind of like that but you
0:22:07just kind of have to take it forward and
0:22:09they're young so I you know as kirk is
0:22:12this kirk wanted to be an admiral that
0:22:13seems awfully premature because didn't
0:22:15just graduate from surfing academy like
0:22:18four years ago
0:22:19yeah i mean he seemed a little too young
0:22:21for that but again one of the things i
0:22:24like about this that the other two films
0:22:26just pissed me off is that he actually
0:22:29applied he went through channel asteroid
0:22:32he did it properly it wasn't like oh by
0:22:34the way you're captain now
0:22:36oh you can do this in my headcanon sorry
0:22:40aghdashloo before before Kirk ends up
0:22:42saving the entire Yorktown which change
0:22:46changes the the the equation a little
0:22:48bit
0:22:49it's like well thanks for saving all of
0:22:50us you save millions of people my
0:22:52headcanon is that what she was going to
0:22:54say is basically snap out of it i'm not
0:22:56going to make you an admiral you just
0:22:57became captain you're good at it you
0:22:59need to you need you need to not she
0:23:01turned out you take it takes some shore
0:23:03leave and get back to it
0:23:04stop being a man baby and that would
0:23:06have been a nice scene
0:23:08yeah but instead you know he saves
0:23:09everything she's like all right you can
0:23:10be an admiral if you want whatever it is
0:23:13like yeah nevermind I'm the hair don't
0:23:15but i don't want to be now which is good
0:23:17because that I mean again that's the
0:23:18special character are trying to give him
0:23:20it just it seems a little premature and
0:23:22and yeah the reason that I go with it is
0:23:24because i have seen all of those other
0:23:26movies i did like the stuff about his
0:23:28dad and the whole idea of like why did
0:23:30you why did you join because he's not
0:23:32like William Shatner's Captain Kirk he
0:23:34didn't join for those reasons he joined
0:23:35for the Dare that that that Christopher
0:23:38Pike gave him and star trek 2009 and
0:23:40that part was that part was interesting
0:23:43so but yeah it was
0:23:44it's dark and dour and then I do like
0:23:46their I do like how they try to give us
0:23:49a flavor of an episode at the beginning
0:23:51of this and star trek into darkness
0:23:52where there's you you're catching them
0:23:54in in the middle of something I think
0:23:56that's good although i think that that
0:23:58was a problem that I had with it is i
0:23:59have read reviews of this that say oh it
0:24:02feels like a like an episode it's like
0:24:04well no it doesn't because they finish
0:24:06an episode and then he gets and then
0:24:08they had this whole like we're gonna
0:24:09send you on this mission and it turns
0:24:11out to be a whole grand conspiracy that
0:24:12threatens the whole of of Yorktown
0:24:15and like that's not really a star trek
0:24:17episode of Star Trek episode would be
0:24:19that they would find the planet and it
0:24:22would be a trap but that's sort of not
0:24:24anyway it's a minor point but i felt
0:24:26like i couldn't we could we have just
0:24:28had them out on their mission having
0:24:30these questions why I have doesn't have
0:24:32to be
0:24:32we're going to you know get get waylaid
0:24:35from our mission and go in and have this
0:24:38movie at least the fate of the universe
0:24:39wasn't steak and and one nice thing
0:24:41about the dour beginning is that it does
0:24:44have everyone a little off balance when
0:24:46they wind up in this trap and wind up
0:24:48getting split up into different groups
0:24:50because now they're they're not just out
0:24:53of sorts now it's it's not Kirk and
0:24:55Spock is it it's kirk and check off its
0:24:57Spock and McCoy it has weird
0:24:59combinations so it's not even the best
0:25:02combination of the crew right or quote
0:25:05unquote the best combination and they
0:25:08wind up having to work through that
0:25:09through the movie which was I like that
0:25:12I thought that was you i disagree i
0:25:13think it I think it was the best
0:25:14combination with phones bak well yeah i
0:25:18know i absolutely are gonna keep harping
0:25:20on you know Kirk and Spock Kirk and
0:25:22Spock yet no I i agree Spock McCoy is
0:25:25the best that one of the things that
0:25:26this movie does but i think very few of
0:25:28the Star Trek movies do well I think
0:25:29about you know Star Trek for does this a
0:25:31little bit stricter three does a little
0:25:33bit but they make an effort to have
0:25:35every character get some moments and
0:25:37with seven characters it's a it's a tall
0:25:39order to get seven of your characters
0:25:41and give them things to do that are
0:25:42interesting and that not everybody's
0:25:44going to get to do a lot but everybody
0:25:46gets to do something and by pairing them
0:25:48and grouping them the way they do it
0:25:51gets to be I mean that that's a good way
0:25:53of doing it it's it's a not a bad
0:25:56conceit to give them all a little moment
0:25:58in the Sun because if it's seven people
0:25:59standing on the bridge of a spaceship
0:26:01it's it's not gonna happen right but but
0:26:04they split them up
0:26:05that said splitting them up really i
0:26:07felt slow the movie down because we kept
0:26:10on having to go from pair two pair from
0:26:12group to group and and that's when the
0:26:14movie felt like a sort of ground to a
0:26:15halt and we skipped over the enterprise
0:26:18getting blown up by the way which we
0:26:19should probably mention enterprises get
0:26:22blown up all the time right and i
0:26:23thought this was a I thought this was
0:26:24again waterway is doing it right with a
0:26:27little little ships that smash
0:26:29it into little pieces and I didn't
0:26:30understand people were like they're
0:26:32blowing up the enterprise it's how could
0:26:34they do this like they do it all the
0:26:36time all the dates it's not a shock even
0:26:38in the third original movie they blew up
0:26:41the enterprise so it's not like it's a
0:26:43shocking pink although this one I think
0:26:47maybe about my favorite enterprise
0:26:50blowing up scenes
0:26:52yes I had to close my eyes for a lot of
0:26:54that scene because that was that was
0:26:56that was pretty much where I lost ya all
0:26:58ability to pay attention to the film for
0:27:00quite awhile simply because it was very
0:27:03very hard to physically watch a lot of
0:27:06swooping lot of shaking the swooping I
0:27:09is is some of the geography stuff that I
0:27:11i had at an issue with is that I get
0:27:13what they're trying to do but I felt
0:27:15like it was who was too much and too i
0:27:18think David's point to the shaky cam
0:27:20stuff it's like I'm not sure you needed
0:27:22the shaky cam with new swooping and the
0:27:24changes in perspective all at the same
0:27:26time
0:27:27well it's like you know that's what we
0:27:28got what what is what is Kirk doing
0:27:30where is he
0:27:31what's going on where is a whore why are
0:27:34they splitting off the saucer it's
0:27:35pretty much gonna go down on the planet
0:27:37anyway what are they doing which which
0:27:40part is flying away from what it's like
0:27:42I didn't even realize that there's like
0:27:45a major plot point the fact that was it
0:27:48bones had already flown one of the
0:27:51little alien vessel things and that's
0:27:54why he had to go on
0:27:55I didn't realize until they got back in
0:27:57it towards the end of the movie but
0:27:59that's what they had been in the first
0:28:00place idea right now I got that the idea
0:28:04was that they were separating the saucer
0:28:05so that they would have enough impulse
0:28:06power to go back in the nebula and hide
0:28:08and run away right for help but it was
0:28:11it was all it yeah it was all very cool
0:28:13is that that was there was something i
0:28:15figured out a few minutes after it
0:28:17started
0:28:18it's like Oh impulse power of course and
0:28:20but yeah I was just get that part i got
0:28:23i just didn't get the the alien ship
0:28:25part there's a lot happening so uh let's
0:28:29let's see what else we want to talk
0:28:30about we talk about a wish to buy jayla
0:28:33who Scotty finds on the planet
0:28:35yes she I thought she was I thought she
0:28:37was fun in the trailers I was like oh no
0:28:40it's gonna be like
0:28:41primitive woman on Planet falls in love
0:28:44with Captain Kirk and all that and now
0:28:45she's a very capable person middle of a
0:28:47signer for Starfleet at the end she's
0:28:49great
0:28:50yeah I I hope she's in the next one yeah
0:28:52actually I would like to watch her show
0:28:54like please do not regenerate started
0:28:57engineer
0:28:58yeah i would watch the heck out of that
0:28:59yeah just like Lela III picture
0:29:01Erica ya done who for you there she
0:29:04comes from a Savage Land but now she's a
0:29:06little anxious costume
0:29:08yes this is true i could also go with
0:29:10futurama Leela i love i love the fact
0:29:14that she's got she's says well I know
0:29:16your language from my house and we go
0:29:17back there and this is the reveal I wish
0:29:19again I wish it wasn't spoiled for me
0:29:21because it's a pretty fun reveal where
0:29:22she's actually been living in a
0:29:23Federation starship she's rigged it up
0:29:25so she can listen to music from them
0:29:27from the music music data banks
0:29:29she's trying to fix it and she runs into
0:29:31Scotty what are the chances so she had
0:29:33dreams Montgomery Scotty back to fix the
0:29:35spaceship but it's a it's a fun moment
0:29:37and it's a fun reveal and she's you know
0:29:39she's she's her character flaws
0:29:41basically that she's afraid because they
0:29:44killed her family and and she has to get
0:29:47over it and trust and there's some trust
0:29:49issues she has to work out but she's
0:29:51never anything but capable which is a
0:29:53which is fun
0:29:54yeah refreshing actually yeah I like
0:29:56that there are no damsels in distress
0:29:58basically yeah i agree i mean like hora
0:30:01hora is the one who basically lets
0:30:04Captain Kirk escape and she makes that
0:30:07move after she's punched a bunch of
0:30:08crawls guys so she has she has a moment
0:30:11she's not she's not waiting you know
0:30:14hiding from the fight she's in it and
0:30:16she basically saves Captain Kirk we get
0:30:18sure at dash Lou as the Admiral so we've
0:30:21got a woman in a position of authority
0:30:22who gives dispenses submit some wisdom
0:30:25and advice to Captain Kirk you know it
0:30:28by the standard it's not it's not a lot
0:30:30but by the standards of these star trek
0:30:32movies it's it's better treatment of
0:30:34women than they that they've done when
0:30:36like poor Carol Marcus was in her
0:30:39underwear for no reason for example yeah
0:30:41i mean as much as I i did enjoy into
0:30:43darkness that if that was you know
0:30:45besides besides the the bed naked moment
0:30:47but just like seeing all the white guys
0:30:49in charge of Starfleet was like really
0:30:51so so this this did have a light up
0:30:53there
0:30:54as much as i enjoy blondes in their
0:30:55underwear I didn't need that in the dirt
0:30:57it's not necessary
0:30:59no you're right about the Admirals and
0:31:01stuff later alright guys so here we go
0:31:02we got sure aghdashloo guys hey as
0:31:05commas national comment or whatever she
0:31:08is she's in charge of stuff economics a
0:31:10that's good because he always calls for
0:31:11sure Sasquatch Frank tell me something i
0:31:15need to know nobody has a little pep I
0:31:17things nice Commodore I don't know she's
0:31:20just under cover from the other universe
0:31:21of the expanse that's all yeah she works
0:31:25for the UN yeah yeah goodbye United
0:31:27Earth space fleet
0:31:29ok let's talk about crawl
0:31:35ar-ar-ar villain crawl played by Idris
0:31:38Elba the great the great interest Elba
0:31:40who is for the first half of the movie
0:31:43completely unrecognizable and in the
0:31:46second half
0:31:47mostly unrecognized people i didn't
0:31:50actually realize it was him until the
0:31:51credits and I knew going in that he was
0:31:53in this movie I just forgotten and I
0:31:54knew the twist before going into the
0:31:56movie and of course going into the movie
0:31:58and watching them like of course yes i
0:32:00went i would have figured out I would've
0:32:01figured that anyways I i did i did and i
0:32:04can I was like okay there's a I mean to
0:32:06their credit it took me you know until
0:32:08the they showed the video of the shaky
0:32:11fuzzy and you didn't see all of it video
0:32:13of the crew of the Frank right and I was
0:32:15like oh ok this is probably something
0:32:20ok it's not probably not just there
0:32:22because we're supposed to be wistful
0:32:23about the poor people who died a hundred
0:32:25years ago
0:32:26that's ok probably right probably which
0:32:28actually reminded me of Star Trek
0:32:29insurrection right where its people here
0:32:32now really old much older than they
0:32:34should be but they've unnaturally kept
0:32:35themselves alive but now they don't look
0:32:37like they used to look they look
0:32:38horribly disfigured and stuff it's like
0:32:40that scroll it's the same deal you may
0:32:42have murray Abraham little machine for
0:32:44all we know his little face stretching
0:32:46machine but he doesn't have the the
0:32:48official masseuses that's true he just
0:32:51has suspended when he's got the bumps on
0:32:52his space instead you know masseuses I
0:32:56exaggerated a little bit i did recognize
0:32:58yourself before the credits but it it
0:33:01generally yeah he was he was so so
0:33:04covered up that I mean I'm still a
0:33:06little mad at myself for not right
0:33:07using his voice because i like it was
0:33:09one of those things where like I know
0:33:10this voice why can't I place it just
0:33:12because it was on the spot and then by
0:33:14the time that he was revealed that was
0:33:15like I almost feel like I wasted all of
0:33:18this time just trying to figure out who
0:33:20that is under the makeup and that was it
0:33:22was a distraction from in well from
0:33:24tolerating that character from I just
0:33:27didn't care about to start with I feel
0:33:29like it was a mistake to make him so
0:33:31alien because its star trek we would
0:33:33have given them a pass if it looks like
0:33:35it's elbow with some bumps and stuff we
0:33:37would have been like oh well you know
0:33:38what Star Trek they're making him an
0:33:40alien but then you don't get the twist
0:33:42well no I think you would still get I
0:33:43think you would still get the twist
0:33:44right i think i think you would know who
0:33:46a is at first yeah because he doesn't he
0:33:49doesn't really say his name for most of
0:33:50the movie and then you know not to get
0:33:53too many check-ins in here but when they
0:33:54first get into the Franklin Scotty goes
0:33:56oh this was cotton baltazar medicines
0:33:59ship he vanished in a hundred years ago
0:34:01and I went that's Chekhov's mention of
0:34:03who crawl really is because that you
0:34:06know why is he saying that in the middle
0:34:08of this scene it has nothing to do with
0:34:10anything
0:34:11all we're going to meet captain medicine
0:34:13so other check out is what you're saying
0:34:15yeah check out Twitter and check off
0:34:17with an H it's a check of all the way
0:34:20down and check out with 28 years I guess
0:34:22yeah well there is definitely a a lot of
0:34:25economy going on that like everything we
0:34:27see is important which on one level I
0:34:29mean I appreciate that they set it up
0:34:31but on another level at some point if
0:34:33there are no red herrings in there if
0:34:34there no like interesting details that
0:34:36don't matter you realize that it all
0:34:38kind of like everything it only exists
0:34:41in order to service the plots like oh we
0:34:43saw the Yorktown it must be under siege
0:34:45later because why would we see it
0:34:47otherwise and then like every character
0:34:49becomes relevant in in some specific way
0:34:53which I would I you know again I find I
0:34:56find that a little a little
0:34:57disappointing but I love interest Elba I
0:34:59I don't really understand other than for
0:35:01the machinations of trying to fool the
0:35:03fool the viewers that he's got his
0:35:06little machine that makes him less bumpy
0:35:08sometimes I don't know is that he's a
0:35:13good actor and I like the idea i like
0:35:14the idea that a former like earth marine
0:35:18put into Starfleet kind of
0:35:21against his will gets lost in a wormhole
0:35:24and basically like sort of like like on
0:35:26being stranded on Ceti alpha five gets
0:35:29all you know just become so embittered
0:35:31by how they've led him here that he
0:35:34finds this hate for the for the
0:35:36Federation I i can accept all of that
0:35:38but the details kind of like the fact
0:35:41that he's on a planet with lots of
0:35:43mining stuff boy mining stuff is
0:35:44dangerous by the way in Star Trek watch
0:35:46out for it that he's got he's able to
0:35:48tap into the communications of Starfleet
0:35:50he's close enough apparently to earth
0:35:53now that he can he can be right on their
0:35:56borders in this nebula
0:35:58I don't know I I the more I started to
0:36:00think about it the more than I realized
0:36:02that it was it was way too engineered
0:36:05for something that probably could have
0:36:06worked if it was simpler and the the
0:36:08mysterious weapon that just happens to
0:36:10be floating in space in a place where he
0:36:12was able to get part of it but not all
0:36:14of it and then Kirk happens to end up
0:36:16with it on the enterprise I'd that that
0:36:19all know what you Gary be a funny and
0:36:20fun plot when I was like an ancient
0:36:22weapon from our culture but incidents
0:36:23like he's just a dude from Earth who's
0:36:25been like looking on ebay for them to
0:36:28sell both the cover to the box to the
0:36:30murder weapon I I just well yeah it's
0:36:32it's the thing that he was trying to
0:36:34give the aliens in the very beginning of
0:36:35the movie
0:36:36yeah and and it was given to them as
0:36:39part of this peace mission so it's not
0:36:42it's not like he just sort of looked
0:36:44into it right but yeah it's it is how to
0:36:47get from point A to point B that's the
0:36:49thing yeah he had a huge coincidence I i
0:36:51think they were there were few too many
0:36:53things that got sort of trimmed to say
0:36:55hey we need more action let's take a
0:36:58little of this detail we don't need this
0:36:59detail but we need the character stuff i
0:37:01loved the character stuff I loved that
0:37:03it didn't take its time with so now
0:37:05cross just too complicated
0:37:07yeah if you need that much detail to
0:37:09explain crawl simplify crawl right right
0:37:12right yeah it's exactly and and they
0:37:14just took away too many little details
0:37:16like for instance i had no idea how he
0:37:18was supposed to be making himself look
0:37:20that way and how he managed to change
0:37:22into mostly human by the end and now
0:37:25I've seen it explain when you get here
0:37:28he sucks the life out of right on a
0:37:31Starfleet people that I got but part of
0:37:34it
0:37:34is that he supposedly absorbs part of
0:37:37them them into him and that alters his
0:37:40appearance throughout yeah i didn't i
0:37:42didn't notice that up until the last
0:37:44scene so now i want to see it again to
0:37:46see does he really changed through the
0:37:47whole movie does he look a little
0:37:49different and he changes a couple of
0:37:50times M one of the things that I really
0:37:53liked about the the trailer and that i
0:37:56actually was disappointed in the movie
0:37:58was I really like the idea where we're
0:38:01crawl says what this is where the
0:38:02frontier pushes back right like the idea
0:38:05like Star Trek is going to say what if
0:38:06there's an alien race out there that
0:38:08that is like doesn't like the Federation
0:38:10doesn't like the idea that everybody's
0:38:11trying to be friends that they are they
0:38:13wanna you know they don't want this they
0:38:15want to upset in some way I I like that
0:38:17idea
0:38:18it's completely undercut because in the
0:38:20end it's just a guy from the Federation
0:38:22who's mad added because I mean he's not
0:38:25that different from Nero sorry mirror
0:38:27was really boring
0:38:28he's more interesting with nero recently
0:38:30and it's just like mine and bent on
0:38:32revenge again again using mining
0:38:35equipment to destroy some mining
0:38:36equipment in the end of that he's he's
0:38:39scared of the frontier he's scared of
0:38:41the unknown and that's what sort of
0:38:44pushes him too bad he's not he's not
0:38:46he's he's not scared of it he wants to
0:38:48beat it up
0:38:49he's a war out and he annoyed that the
0:38:51Federation has turned in
0:38:53he has earned everything in his life is
0:38:56about battles and winning and the fed
0:38:58all of a sudden Federation comes along
0:39:00and were like hey kumbaya let's all
0:39:03explore and we're not we're ready
0:39:05no more money everybody's cool here's a
0:39:08ship man go looking for cool stuff and
0:39:10come back if you want to you have five
0:39:12years and it's just not what he wants to
0:39:16be doing clearly and then they don't
0:39:18they don't rescue him and so is like
0:39:20look I did everything you wanted to do
0:39:21and you stuck me here and nobody's
0:39:23coming to rescue me
0:39:24so clearly the obvious thing for me to
0:39:26do is to take all this mining drones
0:39:29equipment make some kind of ridiculous
0:39:32plan to get a super weapon and kill
0:39:33millions of people
0:39:35yeah you did you brought it on yourself
0:39:36Federation
0:39:38you guys are not making me feel better
0:39:41about this movie I I could say I could
0:39:45there are few things that I like I
0:39:46actually quite like the the reveal of
0:39:48sulu being gay because I felt like that
0:39:51was handled it was so low-key it's so
0:39:54sweet and they didn't like Hank
0:39:57lampshade on it or anything they just
0:39:58you know was like this here is a moment
0:40:01where we need our art you know main
0:40:03hunky character to to look at a family
0:40:05and be wistful and they just chose to
0:40:07have that family be you know to dads in
0:40:09a kid I was like that's that is a nice
0:40:11way to do that
0:40:12that's right and that dad is Doug Jung
0:40:15who is the corrections correctly i don't
0:40:18know well here apparently the actor that
0:40:20cast fell out at the last minute and so
0:40:22they're like Doug guess what
0:40:25all right there he said actually over
0:40:27the interview I ride with him is his
0:40:29response was I don't think I'm
0:40:30attractive enough to be John shows
0:40:32husbands and they're like I just put on
0:40:34the put on the outfit dude just don't
0:40:36worry about it a little better don't
0:40:37worry it's the future man there's no
0:40:39money and it's all cool your character's
0:40:42personality its Great Spirit don't I i
0:40:45liked a lot of the like i said i like
0:40:47that i like the look of it I liked I
0:40:49liked a bunch of the scenes I like a lot
0:40:52of the character interactions even some
0:40:54things that from the trailer I thought
0:40:56come on like like the motorcycle
0:40:59I thought the motorcycle stuff was fine
0:41:00again they set up jailers little
0:41:02holo-emitters thing where she can be in
0:41:04three places at once but but the other
0:41:06two are Holograms they set that up and
0:41:08then they paid it off her missed that
0:41:10turns into rocks or whatever yeah yeah a
0:41:13language which is funny lot of funny
0:41:15dialogue women when people getting
0:41:16rescued great stuff with with Spock
0:41:18McCoy where Spock is injured and McCoys
0:41:20taking care of him all of that stuff was
0:41:22really good
0:41:23yeah honestly when it was one of Spock
0:41:25and McCoy or Scotty and jayla that i was
0:41:29i was happy
0:41:31pretty much everybody else was kinda
0:41:32like me please go back to the Caribbean
0:41:34excited I fruit for me this this was the
0:41:38first time I really bought all of them
0:41:40as their characters i mean i enjoyed
0:41:43enjoyed 2009 don't get me wrong on
0:41:45I have a lot of problems with it i have
0:41:47a lot of problems with into darkness and
0:41:49more the more times i watch it the more
0:41:51i dislike it
0:41:53this was the first time I I really
0:41:54bought all of them as the characters and
0:41:57and so those those interactions did have
0:41:59a little more weight to them like i
0:42:01don't i don't know that they could have
0:42:03gotten away with some of that Spock and
0:42:04McCoy stuff in 2009 because right it is
0:42:08a nerd it isn't there
0:42:09where is this yeah I mean yeah that's
0:42:12see that's part of what i enjoy i'm
0:42:14willing to forgive certain plot
0:42:16shortcuts to get the rest of this which
0:42:20I didn't see in the other the other two
0:42:23no I i get that I mean I i think that i
0:42:26think that there are lots of things
0:42:27wrong with the plot and the filling and
0:42:30some of the direction but the character
0:42:31stuff is is good and fun and I can see
0:42:35why people say things like it's like a
0:42:37star trek episode or reminded me of the
0:42:39original star trek in that way which is
0:42:42which is you get the sense that they've
0:42:44day these characters have been together
0:42:45a long time the actors have earned the
0:42:48shorthand of thinking about the the not
0:42:50just the relationships in these movies
0:42:52but the relationships these characters
0:42:54had in the past movies and TV show you
0:42:56get you can kind of extrapolate you
0:42:58granted to them and and they use that
0:43:00and they show you their character they
0:43:02know each other and that they've served
0:43:04together and that gives you them license
0:43:07to have those character moments that are
0:43:08all you know all fun i think i think
0:43:11it's amazing that in this third movie
0:43:12they take the time to do what they felt
0:43:15like they needed to do for fans in the
0:43:17original Star Trek movies because you
0:43:19know we had those those seventy-odd
0:43:22episodes of the original Star Trek that
0:43:24everybody watch for 20 years
0:43:25that's what they were servicing here
0:43:27it's just third movie but you know the
0:43:29casting was really good in star trek
0:43:312009 and they kind of earnings at this
0:43:33point
0:43:34yeah and I mean at the end when when
0:43:36Spock is going through a ambassador
0:43:39Spock's belongings and he opens up that
0:43:42picture and and it's the original cast
0:43:45and I I I teared up I yeah yeah I teared
0:43:50up there is somebody sitting behind me
0:43:51who was literally sobbing I believe
0:43:55there are several I believe that and and
0:43:57you know i didn't i didn't think they
0:43:59were going to
0:43:59go there I didn't think it would hit me
0:44:02like that once I realized what they were
0:44:03doing and and the weight of it I've seen
0:44:07I've seen a couple of people and the
0:44:08couple of critics complain about oh you
0:44:11know why is Spock morning Spock that's
0:44:13kind of it's not like they hung out all
0:44:15the time I know these people that have
0:44:17hearts
0:44:18it's what it's not just that he's
0:44:19confronting his own mortality although
0:44:21it is that it is it is girls me and I
0:44:24have died or even that you know here's
0:44:26this much older version of him who has
0:44:28had all of these amazing adventures and
0:44:30done done all of these things to change
0:44:32the universe and save the universe but
0:44:35he's also confronting the fact that it's
0:44:38this this family of seven right yes crew
0:44:40of seven that stuck together through
0:44:42everything and that you know and just
0:44:44that be was beautiful and and you know
0:44:49and I even in the moment i thought back
0:44:51to the the part of into darkness where
0:44:53Kirk dies and spot looks at the sky and
0:44:55goes God which isn't earned in that
0:44:59movie not as best moment but it doesn't
0:45:01make any sense except you know if you
0:45:03know wrath of cut and and this was the
0:45:06complete hundred eighty from that this
0:45:07was a beautifully rock moment and just
0:45:12just that they were able to do that and
0:45:14pull it off I thought was very nice it
0:45:16was very understated to that's the other
0:45:17thing i like a lot of the interactions
0:45:19were very understated they weren't like
0:45:21hey look at us
0:45:22also no lens flares very few very few
0:45:26lens flares although i was a seeing a
0:45:29conversation on Twitter earlier some of
0:45:31the special effects are our kind of
0:45:33shaky
0:45:33yeah but they didn't use ilm for this
0:45:37movie and it shows it shows it does
0:45:43once again they you know they sort of
0:45:44cheaped out on the star trek special
0:45:45effects in there there's some good stuff
0:45:47that the Yorktown is beautiful
0:45:49there's a weird stuff myojo steal our
0:45:52friend who is reviewing this movie on
0:45:55daddy focused so look for that was
0:45:59talking about how he doesn't love
0:46:00there's that perspective shot where
0:46:01you're looking at kind of like the the
0:46:03the neck of the of that connects the two
0:46:06sections of the enterprise and that's
0:46:08what you're watching when it goes into
0:46:09warp which is a weird angle and I don't
0:46:12think that
0:46:12get and that the that the work by the
0:46:14warp-drive effect is also kind of
0:46:16strange and I i agree i don't think
0:46:19those work particularly well that said I
0:46:22really do like the swarm of ships
0:46:24attacking the enterprise and destroying
0:46:27it i think that looks really good and is
0:46:29not something that I feel like I've seen
0:46:32before so I think they're good
0:46:33there's good stuff too oh yeah during
0:46:35that second during that part i was i was
0:46:37thinking of nothing so much as more than
0:46:401 D&D campaign being attacked by a swarm
0:46:42which are my least favorite thing to be
0:46:43attacked by Scott don't listen don't so
0:46:46no i don't and yes i was just i actually
0:46:50did sort of feel their frustration more
0:46:53than I think i would have otherwise
0:46:55because yeah fighting this morning's
0:46:56really hard so I you know good for
0:46:58trying enterprise but there's nothing
0:47:01you can do person and yeah the moment
0:47:03when you know you're watching that and
0:47:04you think oh they just want to destroy
0:47:05the enterprise and then the moment when
0:47:07they start attacking the the lifeboat
0:47:09ships was I was I don't know what are
0:47:12they doing and I guess they're just
0:47:14capturing them for some unknown reason I
0:47:15don't know why they were doing that to
0:47:17use to keep the crew so they could drain
0:47:18the manga second suck their life out of
0:47:21them and get the the thingy because
0:47:24Soviet crawl has been doing everyone's
0:47:26logs so he can somehow I guess what's
0:47:29happening at it doesn't make much sense
0:47:31but no one one shot i did really like is
0:47:33where I guess it's when Kirk rejects
0:47:37from the saucer and the social keeps
0:47:39going forward and you just see his
0:47:41reflection as he's watching the ship
0:47:43that was very nice and I'm i'm usually
0:47:46reflection shots are getting our gimmick
0:47:49so it takes a lot for me to like 1i like
0:47:52that
0:47:52yeah i thought that was good i also like
0:47:54when they crashed the saucer which
0:47:55brought back yes structure generations
0:47:57to me i like that because that you feel
0:47:59very final and then they go back there
0:48:01and that little bit of its much someone
0:48:05of it
0:48:05yeah i thought that was really great
0:48:07that they don't know it'sit's yes crash
0:48:09we're gonna go back into the crash and
0:48:11and get some stuff and smush the lady
0:48:14who doesn't who has to be speak through
0:48:16the translator which I like that part
0:48:18that with the swishing i like but having
0:48:21the
0:48:21the traffic i like that the part where
0:48:23she had to step into like the universal
0:48:25translator booth or whatever and then
0:48:27yeah give her a little thing I like all
0:48:28that
0:48:29yeah and I i like i like that subplot to
0:48:33of of showing Kirk thinking a couple
0:48:36moves a hit he's playing
0:48:37three-dimensional chess which you don't
0:48:40often see in these movies certain yeah
0:48:42there's a nice moment with so check out
0:48:44these interactions in this movie are
0:48:47very much sort of like watching Kirk
0:48:50work and there's a nice moment where he
0:48:53says how how long did you know and he's
0:48:56like well not right away but you know
0:48:57i'm kurt kinda like works tells him like
0:48:59how he figured it out but I i like i
0:49:02like some of those moments to where it's
0:49:03that kind of mentoring thing course very
0:49:05sad and elgin died then you know This Is
0:49:07It this is it for checkoff he you know
0:49:09he did a good job he he's doing what I
0:49:11think is fundamental that check out in
0:49:13the original series 2 which is that he's
0:49:15very young and has a lot to learn he's
0:49:18very capable but he has a lot to learn
0:49:19and here he sort of learning about being
0:49:22you know being a commander and and the
0:49:25tricks that Captain Kirk as and i like
0:49:27that pairing I thought that was an
0:49:29interesting little love little pairing
0:49:31between those two armed
0:49:34oh I wanted to mention the other thing
0:49:36that I i thought i saw in the trailer
0:49:37that made me roll my eyes that I
0:49:38actually you know that and people after
0:49:42they saw the movie where we're talking
0:49:43about that i really liked which was
0:49:46using the Beastie Boys yes yes yes it
0:49:50was broad and it was silly and yet I
0:49:52felt like it was properly set up the
0:49:53fact that that jayla is listening to
0:49:56fight the power earlier and Scotty make
0:49:59talks about the classical music and all
0:50:00that she says she likes the beat and all
0:50:01of that and and again this is a movie
0:50:04where every single thing that you see is
0:50:06set up for later in the movie baby comes
0:50:09back around but the fact that they know
0:50:11that it's funny and that the and that
0:50:13she pick sabotage and that Kirk goes
0:50:15good choice and like is that classical
0:50:18music all of those jokes i had that they
0:50:20have to use the radial pulse to disrupt
0:50:22the things I know it's silly I know it's
0:50:25very somebody said very very much like a
0:50:27doctor who plot resolution
0:50:28yeah but you know what I felt like they
0:50:30set it up properly and it just made me I
0:50:32just enjoyed it
0:50:33I I don't have
0:50:34my eyes I wasn't cynical about it was
0:50:36like you know what it sabotage again
0:50:38like in the first movie and it's funny
0:50:40and let's do it like the Beastie Boys
0:50:43win ok to me that retro actively makes
0:50:46it work and in 2009 I didn't like it in
0:50:48the 2009 when I was like come on this is
0:50:50stupid and is this makes it pay off
0:50:53this is a beautiful use of it and I mean
0:50:56I i think i said in slack
0:50:58it's almost like a throwaway gag from
0:51:01spaced come to life it's like you know
0:51:03what if the enterprise had to you know
0:51:05fight off the thing using radio and
0:51:07these wrap something rap yeah it just
0:51:11seems like a joke simon pegg would have
0:51:13made years and years ago and now he gets
0:51:14to actually make it happen and I i like
0:51:17that i thought that was great
0:51:18yeah that that scene actually it it kind
0:51:21of won me over at the beginning of it I
0:51:23was not I was not on board simply
0:51:25because the way that everything was put
0:51:28together it was like this is supposed to
0:51:29be a really fun scene like you're
0:51:32supposed to go along for the ride and at
0:51:33that point I kind of had been having a
0:51:35lot of fun to the rest of the movie so I
0:51:37was like you haven't earned this film
0:51:39like why am i why should i be having
0:51:40little bit but the music for LG
0:51:44entertain me with the music and and just
0:51:47the way everything had been properly
0:51:49setup at least 44 for that particular
0:51:51part it's sort of i couldn't help it i
0:51:54ended up i was smiling by the end of it
0:51:56and I i liked it in spite of my in spite
0:51:59of myself so so yeah it it took a couple
0:52:02of of seconds for me to sort of settle
0:52:04into it because I was like wait a minute
0:52:06what are you trying to do to be movie
0:52:07but you know what it did it to me
0:52:09so there you go there's some there's
0:52:11some joy to that seem right like that
0:52:12they're kind of their kind of moving to
0:52:14the music and they are doing their job
0:52:16and they are beating the bad guy and
0:52:18they have figured it out and they're
0:52:19smart and they're going to win all of
0:52:21those things happen in that moment which
0:52:23is which is what really gets me on its
0:52:25side to is like everybody's having a
0:52:26good time being the bad guy
0:52:29yeah let's do this we're all having a
0:52:30good time now and they figure it out as
0:52:33a team
0:52:33it isn't just current or Spock which is
0:52:36a nice touch
0:52:37it's like they all they all realize this
0:52:39and they put it together together which
0:52:41that was very nice
0:52:42now once once they get into the Yorktown
0:52:45and especially once they get to know
0:52:47because you have to have the fist fight
0:52:50I thought I i did think the setting of
0:52:54the fist fight was clever I kind of
0:52:55liked having you know a clear room and
0:52:57you know in the middle of space where
0:53:00we're gravity in the air of ya and I
0:53:03like the weird gravity lot you know
0:53:04again it was a clever concept was it
0:53:07shot well I don't think so
0:53:08I fundamentally i have a problem with
0:53:10that you know the MacGuffin it is such a
0:53:12MacGuffin like to literally to the point
0:53:14of we have a box that if you open this
0:53:17room with me I will kill everybody
0:53:19it's just you know I don't know a I like
0:53:23you said there's got to be a fistfight
0:53:24at the end I guess I had that moment in
0:53:26this movie where I thought oh I think
0:53:28the problem with the series is that they
0:53:30are they all it all last one
0:53:32confrontation too long like in Star Trek
0:53:35into darkness if they had ended it where
0:53:38they defeat the the big ship and cons
0:53:42ship crashes the end that's a or or con
0:53:46ship is blown up and that's the end I
0:53:49think that's a better i think that's a
0:53:50better movie it is i think in in this
0:53:55movie when as much as I like the look of
0:53:57the Yorktown stuff I felt like they had
0:53:59already earned their victory and so now
0:54:01what are they what are they fighting for
0:54:03its that double ending again and as much
0:54:05as I liked the stuff in the inn in new
0:54:08york town much better than I like the
0:54:10fist fight and stuff on earth into
0:54:12darkness it still felt like it was one
0:54:15too many things
0:54:16it's like let's do the end of into
0:54:18darkness maybe a little bit more
0:54:20interesting but it's still the same
0:54:21thing
0:54:22yeah yeah i'm also McCoy and Spock were
0:54:26flying around in that little ship while
0:54:28the whole climax goes on for a very long
0:54:30time but yes we're well he did say he
0:54:33didn't know how to land so I see if he's
0:54:35always yes it is also he did a couple of
0:54:37circuits in the hallway and exactly and
0:54:40that place is really big swing from the
0:54:42splashdown or something but knowing they
0:54:44had to save save Kirk in the end what
0:54:47have we not covered that that you think
0:54:49we should mention well one of the I'm
0:54:52not a person who
0:54:53notices whether or not the special
0:54:56effects are all that good but one of the
0:54:58things that I did notice was there
0:55:00seemed to be and this could be someone
0:55:02can check the actual footage and see if
0:55:04it's true or not but there seems to be a
0:55:05lot more aliens just kind of milling
0:55:07about in this movie and then in the
0:55:09previous two which I really liked
0:55:11because you always feel like you know
0:55:13their budgets and things that you can't
0:55:14have that many great aliens but it
0:55:17always felt like there are humans all
0:55:18over the place and then you've got
0:55:20someone who looks kind of like a human
0:55:22but he has a bump on the snows and
0:55:24there's your alien this one they are
0:55:26actually aliens kind of will not
0:55:28actually put their representations of
0:55:30aliens in this fictional universe that
0:55:33are just kind of there at one of my
0:55:35favorite moments in the movie is when
0:55:38Kirk is off to separate the saucer and
0:55:41he sees an dancin and he's like I need
0:55:43your help and you think oh she's good
0:55:45she's gonna help him you know with the
0:55:47the separating separation of thought
0:55:49yeah but then she disappears you like
0:55:51what happened there and then spin once
0:55:53again that you know Jason it gets paid
0:55:55off later when she opens her head yes
0:55:58open your head and out comes the part of
0:56:02the government the top suit or whatever
0:56:04because yeah then choose she's
0:56:06disintegrated with it as a thank you
0:56:08yeah she was kind of dumb I mean I like
0:56:11I liked her aesthetic but but really i
0:56:15don't i don't see why she gave up so
0:56:17quickly like you know people are gonna
0:56:18die
0:56:19why don't you just use one of our main
0:56:20characters you decide though I have to
0:56:22say them
0:56:23yes but overall I say thumbs up to
0:56:26having lots of aliens everywhere because
0:56:27it makes you feel like Star Trek has
0:56:31budget I I loved all the the grace notes
0:56:34and references and in jokes that you
0:56:38know peg being a fan is going to put in
0:56:40there right right down to McCoy wearing
0:56:45a medallion at the very end like you
0:56:46want to go back out there you go back
0:56:48out there that was a nice touch and and
0:56:50he admitted on twitter that yes that was
0:56:52intentionally the the you know McCoy
0:56:55showing up in the motion picture with
0:56:57the medallion and when he they say yeah
0:57:00whatever happened to the front whether
0:57:01rumors that encounter giant green hand
0:57:03and space yes
0:57:04I I was the only person who laughed in
0:57:07the room which was in the credits
0:57:09yeah during the closing credits
0:57:10sequences so there's a little leak and
0:57:11see like just this the side of a giant
0:57:13green hands like a look at know there's
0:57:16a lot of little bits a lot of movie
0:57:18things like i said i felt like i was
0:57:19reminded of many Star Trek movies good
0:57:23and bad in the little bits that they
0:57:26took that I I felt were you know kind of
0:57:29intentional like the dune buggies in
0:57:31emphasis is echoed by the by the
0:57:34motorcycle and we got the enterprise
0:57:36blowing up that land which is in
0:57:37although practically all the Star Trek
0:57:39movies but you got kirk's a curse whole
0:57:41thing with his his birthday bothering
0:57:43him and him thinking about being an
0:57:45admiral that's a that's a call back i
0:57:47had those interaction feelings about
0:57:50about crawl that you know I is a bunch
0:57:54of different star trek movies kind of
0:57:55remember it all and episodes too and I
0:57:58saw a lot of deficits
0:58:00oh yeah so you know in the end I want to
0:58:03see it again
0:58:04um I didn't I didn't dislike it i just
0:58:06found it I found it kind of flawed and
0:58:09I'm disappointed i guess that the plot
0:58:11didn't make more sense that the address
0:58:13elva wasn't better used I felt like you
0:58:16know the plot was engineered to get us a
0:58:18moment of surprise about his origin that
0:58:22it didn't really earn and that made him
0:58:24actually like much worse of villain
0:58:26because his story was to truncated and
0:58:29obfuscate adapt and it's too bad that he
0:58:34could have been a straightforward alien
0:58:35or a straightforward angry human and it
0:58:37would have been fine but instead he's
0:58:39like a magic trick and it's not as good
0:58:42that way so you know that it's just bits
0:58:45of it that I i disappoint me but it's
0:58:48not a bad movie i would say i think it's
0:58:50a good I think it's a good movie by the
0:58:52standards of star trek to as we've done
0:58:53on several episodes there have been some
0:58:55really bad Star Trek movies this is one
0:58:58of those I just was hoping I think for
0:59:00more than I know I got and I have to
0:59:02sort of take my pleasure in the parts of
0:59:04it that I do like which is the character
0:59:06bits and some of the visuals and and a
0:59:08few v specific scenes there there are a
0:59:10lot of scenes that could have been
0:59:11better lit oh it's so dark it's so dark
0:59:14I saw 3d showing and that makes it even
0:59:16darker
0:59:17and-and-and like the scenes the fight
0:59:20scenes on the enterprise
0:59:21I couldn't even see it wasn't even on
0:59:23camera movement I couldn't see what was
0:59:25happening it was so dark and yeah I I
0:59:28and i don't know i hope that would look
0:59:31better in a 2d screening but maybe not
0:59:33AJ's not what I had and I just had
0:59:36moments in the in the enterprise a
0:59:38boarding scenes where I i thought to
0:59:41myself i have no idea what the hell is
0:59:43going on now because I can't see
0:59:46anything when when they go back to the
0:59:48saucer it's the same thing it's you know
0:59:50it's darker than the saucer flips and
0:59:52you go okay yeah yeah i think overall
0:59:55for me I i would say maybe like roughly
0:59:59a quarter
0:59:59a quarter
1:00:00of the film and i don't mean this
1:00:01chronologically I mean of everything put
1:00:02together and I think I actually disliked
1:00:05about a quarter of it there's a quarter
1:00:07of that i thought was just kind of man
1:00:09there was a quarter but I sort of liked
1:00:11and there's a quarter that I really did
1:00:13like so I mean on the in the whole ends
1:00:15up being positive but it was really kind
1:00:17of a wide split their their peaks and
1:00:20valleys that were sharper than I had
1:00:22hoped going in Scotts quite a journey
1:00:25I enjoyed the movie it's not perfect
1:00:29obviously star trek though I was excited
1:00:31to see ya
1:00:32no matter what its form is and I think
1:00:36they mean the cast is great
1:00:38yes so that the NBA I feel like they
1:00:40even in 2009 felt like they were kind of
1:00:43clicking into the carrier the characters
1:00:45that they were playing pretty well and
1:00:46now they're doing even better than they
1:00:49were before so it's just fun and that's
1:00:51why I like Star Trek is because the
1:00:53characters interact with each other so
1:00:55the rest of it is just kind of fun for
1:00:57me so that if I enjoy the character
1:01:00interactions and I feel like the
1:01:02characters are acting the way that I
1:01:04think they would in these situations i'm
1:01:06happy and in some Star Trek movies you
1:01:08don't get the head so i think this one
1:01:11hit that base for me so kudos to them
1:01:15for that you know I i wonder how much of
1:01:17it is the weight of being the 50th
1:01:19anniversary of the show right
1:01:22how how much weight they feel they had
1:01:24to put into all of these references and
1:01:27all of these you know it because it's
1:01:29guy I had the same feeling with the
1:01:30specter the Bond film where it's like
1:01:33here's a bond reference and here's a
1:01:34bond reference and they forgot to
1:01:35actually make a good movie and and this
1:01:38i thought was better than Specter but
1:01:40you know would would have been with
1:01:43they've had more freedom to craft the
1:01:46script more they I know they wrote the
1:01:48script very quickly to my life I feel
1:01:50like maybe this is the pressure that
1:01:51Simon Pegg felt as a as a fan to do
1:01:54right by the franchise right at two yeah
1:01:56like I said I i think it was fine
1:02:00I the things that i liked about it i
1:02:01really really like and intervene
1:02:05yeah it's five days out since i saw it i
1:02:08buy i changed into darkness about two
1:02:10weeks after i saw but I think I will
1:02:13end up watching this more than certainly
1:02:15more than into darkness maybe even more
1:02:17than the 2009 when I don't know let's
1:02:20see but I it's just those interactions
1:02:22were so good for me
1:02:24well the the other thing i thought when
1:02:25i left the theater was you know what the
1:02:27next new star trek is it's a TV show
1:02:31that's right anywhere it's true
1:02:34not available on your TV it no we went
1:02:37if you're my ambulatory for the world
1:02:40you can get it on netflix if you're in
1:02:42canada can watch it on space and if
1:02:44you're in the u.s. you get to watch the
1:02:45pilot on CBS and then you'll need to pay
1:02:47for CBS all access but you know the
1:02:49upside to that is that CBS all access
1:02:51also includes all the star trek series
1:02:53as well so you can watch all the Star
1:02:55Trek that you want and I think I is so
1:02:58that that was gonna be my last topic
1:02:59before we go thinking about the star
1:03:02trek discovery is now the the name of it
1:03:04and I was thinking about about where
1:03:07where the star trek franchise goes and
1:03:09the box office for Star Trek beyond has
1:03:11been ok it's not great and it's not as
1:03:13good as the first two movies but it is
1:03:15that it's still pretty good and internet
1:03:19they're hoping for to do well
1:03:20internationally because these these
1:03:22three star trek movies have all been
1:03:24released internationally and the first
1:03:26two did very well internationally much
1:03:28better than any star trek movies
1:03:29previously so you know let's let's just
1:03:31assume it's gonna do fine and they're
1:03:33going to make a fourth movie
1:03:35okay great i think about where this
1:03:39franchise goes I think about like do
1:03:41they want to marvel eyes it right and
1:03:43have more movies that are not just about
1:03:45this cast but our other movie set in the
1:03:47star trek universe do what path they
1:03:48want to go down and have a moment of
1:03:50almost like an epiphany where I realized
1:03:53the problem is first off I'm not sure
1:03:55enough people love star trek for to be a
1:03:58star wars style movie franchise as much
1:04:00as I love star trek i'm not sure that
1:04:03there are enough people and there's
1:04:05enough money for them to put to make a
1:04:08machine to release Star Trek movies
1:04:10every every year but there's the bigger
1:04:13picture we talked about and passed
1:04:14incomparable episodes is Star Trek's not
1:04:17a movie franchise you know it's just not
1:04:20it's all its strength is in TV and
1:04:23although you can make these movies and
1:04:25if they make more that's great i'll pay
1:04:27to see them in the end I think what's
1:04:30what's behind peoples you know lack of
1:04:35enthusiasm for its another sci-fi action
1:04:38movie is just the fact that what a lot
1:04:41of people want out of Star Trek is not
1:04:44something a movie franchise can give
1:04:46them because star trek is not a movie
1:04:48franchise it's a TV series with some
1:04:51spin-off movies so I that moment coming
1:04:53out of the theater which is these movies
1:04:54are nice i hope they make more of them
1:04:56but at the same time I really am more
1:04:58excited about coming back to TV because
1:05:00I think that's what Star Trek is and I
1:05:01think that Star Trek's like ideal form
1:05:03that's what its best at and these things
1:05:05are fun but even the original series
1:05:07movies right
1:05:09it's kind of up it's not what it's it's
1:05:11not what Star Trek's good at its it's
1:05:13not it's best destiny too huh
1:05:16put in Captains terms yeah you know it
1:05:19they made the right choice in recasting
1:05:23in the way they were able to create a
1:05:25second universe of Star Trek for the
1:05:27movies because i think to the bulk of
1:05:29the world star trek is Kirk and Spock
1:05:31and McCoy and his other people who hang
1:05:33out with them and that's fine
1:05:36I you know I love them but i think you
1:05:39know part of part of why we fell in love
1:05:41with it was because we saw it every day
1:05:43in syndication when we were kids and and
1:05:46the generation after his got next
1:05:48generation and deep space nine and
1:05:50Voyager and got to see those every week
1:05:52and then every day and for you know I
1:05:55watch my kids it's it's a presence in
1:05:58their lives because i like Star Trek
1:06:00it's not because they're watching TV
1:06:02it's not because there's a lot of choice
1:06:05on TV and like you have you have to
1:06:06physically make the choice to watch
1:06:08stuff right
1:06:10the stuff that's just you know if you
1:06:11just turn on the TV it's probably going
1:06:13to be friends or seinfeld or the big
1:06:15bang theory and reality shows
1:06:17so you have to actively choose to watch
1:06:20something it's great that you can it's
1:06:22great that it's all there on netflix and
1:06:23CBS access and all that stuff but it
1:06:26doesn't have the same presence for them
1:06:29you know and and even star wars star
1:06:31wars is omnipresent because of Disney
1:06:33because of you know the same thing with
1:06:35Marvel it's just everywhere and you go
1:06:37to the mall and there's the store you go
1:06:39here you go and
1:06:40and I mean they were asking me where the
1:06:41star trek toys and so while they're in
1:06:43the specialty shops because nobody's
1:06:45making them for this movie right it's
1:06:47all the older stuff you know if it's
1:06:49like it's just not there but if it's a
1:06:52new TV show and if it's actively like
1:06:55hey here's the thing here's a new thing
1:06:57next week here's another one
1:06:58the excitement you know the
1:07:00eleven-year-old walked out friday night
1:07:02and said when's the next one that was
1:07:04amazing i want to see more
1:07:06well you're gonna have to worry about
1:07:07three or four years now we get to see
1:07:09something that's going to be a little
1:07:10brainier and tie into the whole universe
1:07:12of 600 and however many episodes of
1:07:15shows we've got and it's gonna be on
1:07:18every week for a couple of weeks i like
1:07:20that a little excited really felt that
1:07:24one of the things you said early on
1:07:26there and that's just talking about the
1:07:28characters because when I think about
1:07:29the parts of this movie that I like the
1:07:31most
1:07:32as I said before it was really the
1:07:33character parts and for me the Platonic
1:07:37ideal of Star Trek is absolutely a TV
1:07:40show and that's in part because you get
1:07:43a chance to like you said without it's
1:07:45not just the repetition but it's the
1:07:47fact that you get to spend more time
1:07:48with these people and you get to know
1:07:51them and I think the only reason that we
1:07:53are feeling so warm and fuzzy with these
1:07:56characters in the movies is because we
1:07:58knew the prototype characters in the
1:08:01show back in the day I i do not think
1:08:04that I would have the same same feels
1:08:07about those pairings on this movie if I
1:08:10hadn't seen what can I went before
1:08:12actually have a friend who had not seen
1:08:13any of the Star Trek movies previously
1:08:15done and I don't even know if she'd ever
1:08:18seen the show and she went to this movie
1:08:19was not particularly impressed by it and
1:08:21I can't say I blame her because there's
1:08:23the E the roots of this movie go back so
1:08:27so deeply and it's because of the TV
1:08:30show so i am looking forward to a new
1:08:33crew a new type of star trek on
1:08:35television that will have a chance to to
1:08:38let those characters breathe and we'll
1:08:40get to see them do more than just one
1:08:42thing every couple years you know i wish
1:08:45i wish the economics of entertainment
1:08:48were such that we could watch even you
1:08:50know six or eight hours of
1:08:53these characters doing episodes right
1:08:57because i think they would be very good
1:08:59at it but they also it would never
1:09:03they would not be able to afford them
1:09:04right it's prohibitively expensive TV TV
1:09:07and movies are getting closer together
1:09:09and we may we may reach that point but
1:09:11that's the unfortunate thing is that you
1:09:13can get such a great cast but you can't
1:09:15get them together for a TV show you can
1:09:16only get them together every three or
1:09:18four years for one movie and that's too
1:09:21bad but that's the power of of TV is
1:09:23they're going to cast cast for Star Trek
1:09:25discovery and those people are going to
1:09:26be together for at least that you know
1:09:2910 hour or 13 hours or whatever they do
1:09:32season and hopefully for more after that
1:09:35so yeah
1:09:37Star Trek so Scott do you do you gasps
1:09:40when I said star trek is another
1:09:42franchise but there what do you what do
1:09:44you think I'm calling on your gasp well
1:09:47technically I have to be that way it is
1:09:50in fact a movie franchise but you know
1:09:52it i agree with you that it is far
1:09:54better suited as a television show
1:09:56because as erica was saying you can have
1:09:58I just watched an episode of deep space
1:10:01nine for random track that focused on as
1:10:05Redax for some unknown reason but a
1:10:06whole hour of her going off and visiting
1:10:10her family and you wouldn't that totally
1:10:12would not be if they did a deep space
1:10:13nine season 7 movie or season 8i guess
1:10:16movie
1:10:17you totally wouldn't have an 45 minutes
1:10:19of that movie devoted to ESRI decks just
1:10:21going off and chillin with her family
1:10:23but when you have whatever 24 episodes
1:10:26in the season you can do that because
1:10:28you need to fill a lot of time basically
1:10:31but you also get to see more of the
1:10:33character and it develops and so it's
1:10:35great so i am very excited for the TV
1:10:39show to come I'm not excited for the
1:10:43inevitable articles from Star Trek fans
1:10:46that will tell me how this star trek
1:10:48isn't real star track and he doesn't
1:10:50Hugh to the Roddenberry wishes and all
1:10:54the stuff and there's you know there's
1:10:56too much of this and not enough of that
1:10:57or
1:10:58whatever there are always fans who are
1:11:00ready to tell other fans that their
1:11:02Fanning it wrong and as we've said
1:11:04before on this very podcast those people
1:11:07are bad people
1:11:09nobody gets to tell other people what
1:11:12they like extract I think it's like I
1:11:14said earlier I think it's fine if you
1:11:16you you don't like something that's cool
1:11:18but uh you know nobody is the arbiter of
1:11:21what makes something something even the
1:11:24person who creates it is not the arbiter
1:11:26of that once you such release it into
1:11:28the public you lose all that control so
1:11:32when you know going back to talk about
1:11:34episodes thinking back on our favorite
1:11:37Star Trek stories you know across all of
1:11:39the media
1:11:41what are you one of the best episodes
1:11:44you know the inner light you're never
1:11:46going to get a big screen movie that
1:11:48tells the story of the inner light
1:11:49that's a great story never gonna happen
1:11:53in a big movie right
1:11:55sitting on the edge of forever the
1:11:57visitor no but it's gotta be big big
1:12:00movie has to be what it has to be
1:12:02yeah at and so basically what you're
1:12:04getting is you're getting the action
1:12:05sequence of a story and that's all you
1:12:08get
1:12:08because there aren't other na in a TV
1:12:12season you can have all of those
1:12:13different the ebb and flow and the
1:12:15different kinds of stories being told
1:12:17but in a in a blockbuster movie in the
1:12:19Marvel movies have the same issue which
1:12:20is I like civil war because it for many
1:12:24reasons a that are some water starter
1:12:26beyond a they spent they did some
1:12:28character stuff and they're paying off
1:12:29character things from previous movies
1:12:31but in the end it's a you know there's a
1:12:35maximum amount of time you can spend on
1:12:36one of these movies to two-and-a-half
1:12:38hours or whatever and you gotta you
1:12:40gotta deliver because it's a giant
1:12:42blockbuster movie not a quirky episode
1:12:45of a TV show and that's just how the
1:12:47economics work again you if you want to
1:12:49pick Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto and
1:12:51and so we settled on a united and Karl
1:12:54Urban and everybody else you want to pay
1:12:56all those people stuffs gonna blow up
1:12:58just how it is a lot of it
1:13:01yeah frequently and then they have to
1:13:03fight something
1:13:04yeah although i do wishin and this is
1:13:07something that just that you said that I
1:13:08wish they could the next movie perhaps
1:13:11not have some kind of central villain
1:13:13madman bent on revenge because each one
1:13:17so far has done that maybe something
1:13:18different
1:13:19somebody else could be up to no good
1:13:21where I got something
1:13:22how about a planet-wide computer that
1:13:26controls the culture and camping trip
1:13:28and like talk to talking into blind
1:13:30yourself up
1:13:31I hope that the first little mini
1:13:33episode of the next movie is that that
1:13:36would be great
1:13:37oh my god yeah i think the next one is
1:13:41going to be traveling through time to
1:13:43save Kirk's father because we can't we
1:13:45can't let go of JJ's mystery box full of
1:13:48daddy issues
1:13:49yeah well soon we'll see I know they've
1:13:51announced that the they're going to do a
1:13:53movie and chris hemsworth is going to be
1:13:54in it somehow as Kirk together but well
1:13:58it's supposed to be written by the two
1:14:00guys who were supposed to be reading
1:14:01this one and then that got scrapped so
1:14:04it's like well maybe that will get
1:14:05scrapped to yeah that's that's my father
1:14:07is that what movie will Simon Pegg right
1:14:09when the first screenplay turns out to
1:14:11be terribly did it fit inside the egg
1:14:13back I'd be okay with simon pegg coming
1:14:15back to write because i do think that he
1:14:17is very very clear that he cares about
1:14:19these characters that if you know it i
1:14:21may have had trouble with the action
1:14:23sequences and some of the plot stuff but
1:14:25but he he's a fan and he cares and that
1:14:28that goes a long way
1:14:30that's what I said about Ghostbusters
1:14:32last week which is I could feel the love
1:14:35for the franchise
1:14:37yeah by the creators while i watch the
1:14:40movie like there's no doubt about it
1:14:42that the people who wrote this this
1:14:44movie care about Star Trek just in the
1:14:46same way the people who wrote
1:14:47Ghostbusters new Ghostbusters the
1:14:50original backward and forward you can
1:14:52feel it and I love that about it all
1:14:54right I think we've reached the end of
1:14:56our talk
1:14:57we've gone beyond well beyond that's
1:15:00what were they going beyond in that
1:15:02movie I don't understand they were going
1:15:04beyond the nebula
1:15:06go beyond explain and explored space it
1:15:09is so nebula by the way nebulas don't
1:15:11work like that that's like saying we're
1:15:13gonna try looking on a cloud over there
1:15:15it's like it's just a cloud you go
1:15:17around it there's lots of ways to go
1:15:18around its but it's an unstable nebula
1:15:21yeah well in Star Trek nebulas are not
1:15:23like they are in reality I i justyou got
1:15:26to go with that nebulas are like you
1:15:28gotta think it's like that it's like the
1:15:29Old West nebula is like a desert we just
1:15:32don't know what's on the other side of
1:15:33it and that's just just go get with the
1:15:35metaphor but yes they went beyond the
1:15:37nebula just like in the structure
1:15:39against direction where there's an
1:15:40unstable maybe alright i hope that goes
1:15:42beyond the briar patch yeah right yeah
1:15:44well least Spock wasn't like getting a
1:15:47shave for more her in the bathtub in
1:15:49this one boy
1:15:50imagine taking that up because back then
1:15:56okay okay before you making me think i
1:16:00can get more thank you for going beyond
1:16:03any time I'm gonna go listen to some
1:16:05classical music okay Erica thank you for
1:16:08going above and beyond
1:16:11thank you you know it may be a tracking
1:16:13device but I kind of want one of those
1:16:14cute little necklaces are and Scott
1:16:18multi you went above and beyond but it
1:16:20is your call of duty as a Star Trek fan
1:16:23yes okay well that's it for this episode
1:16:29in Kabul and if we don't talk to you
1:16:31before then will at the very least be
1:16:34back with another star trek episode when
1:16:36Star Trek discovery appears in January
1:16:392017 but until next week on the
1:16:42uncomfortable I've been your host Jason
1:16:44cell
1:16:44goodbye everybody live long and prosper
1:16:46yeah we'll say that
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