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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Hello Internet Christmas Special)


00:00:00   you knew it was coming and here it is

00:00:02   it's becoming a little bit too much of a

00:00:04   pattern I don't know if I like this

00:00:05   Brady people are we really expecting it

00:00:07   this year right once is a fluke twice as

00:00:09   a pattern and then the third is the one

00:00:10   that they expect so I'm not sure we can

00:00:12   keep this up forever for a variety of

00:00:14   reasons but this year is the third

00:00:16   annual one what's this one code the last

00:00:21   Jedi

00:00:23   very well done Brady yep that's the D

00:00:25   with the movie number eight of the core

00:00:28   series yeah of the new trilogy I think

00:00:31   was it on Twitter or someone someone

00:00:33   told me that like Disney has rebranded

00:00:34   the old trilogy as something like Star

00:00:37   Wars legends that's the phrase that they

00:00:39   want to use to describe the original

00:00:41   trilogy which if that is the case I am

00:00:44   going to 100% reject that idea nope nope

00:00:48   it's the original trilogy I'm not gonna

00:00:50   call it Star Wars legends not gonna

00:00:51   happen I heard someone talking about the

00:00:53   original film from 1977 and they just

00:00:55   casually said yeah it's been 40 years

00:00:57   and I was like oh my god that who is 40

00:00:59   years old

00:01:00   40 year old film Wow there's something

00:01:03   strange about how old movies can be I

00:01:06   know that sounds dumb to say out loud

00:01:08   but I guess what I mean is how old can a

00:01:10   movie that is still unacceptably modern

00:01:15   ish looking movie B and the answer is

00:01:18   getting pretty close to 50 years at this

00:01:20   point you can watch a movie that's 50

00:01:22   years old and feel like yeah that's a

00:01:23   modern enough movie it doesn't stand out

00:01:26   as something like from 1930 so yeah

00:01:30   time passes us all by the Reaper

00:01:32   approaches every day I tell you a film

00:01:34   that two really old that has stood the

00:01:36   test of time

00:01:37   mmm The Wizard of Oz no yeah yeah I mean

00:01:41   it you watch it and it is old but

00:01:43   there's something about it that's very

00:01:45   timeless like a lit looks like a really

00:01:47   off but 1939 that's 200 years old at

00:01:51   this point

00:01:51   it's remarkable it is quite remarkable

00:01:53   and I'd still watch that you know I'd

00:01:55   look at it think I yet charming on film

00:01:57   but still a good film you have to watch

00:01:59   out for those monkeys anyway when I

00:02:01   talked about it it was always a good bit

00:02:05   off track and you just a spoiler there

00:02:07   with your monkey line sorry I guess I

00:02:09   guess I'll put it in the show notes of

00:02:11   his of mine who spoiler for the bear

00:02:12   very minor spoiler before we start

00:02:16   talking about Return of the Jedi engaged

00:02:18   like total into total spoiler zone I

00:02:20   have to say I did think of you a lot

00:02:22   today when I when watched her partly

00:02:24   because both before and after the field

00:02:27   I went to five guys and I always think

00:02:29   of you and I go to five guys because I

00:02:31   know you love her so much although I I

00:02:32   went for my traditional bacon cheese dog

00:02:34   right right and I did enjoy them that's

00:02:37   not paid for by the way people five guys

00:02:39   bacon cheese dog oh do it again I can

00:02:42   never fault a man for his eating habits

00:02:44   in a movie because it wasn't in the

00:02:46   movie it was a before and after I also

00:02:48   got a big bag of sweetie okay like I

00:02:52   think I slightly misinterpreted what you

00:02:54   were saying there I guess I can extend

00:02:56   movie calorie forgiveness to an hour

00:03:00   yeah I'm like an hour before and an hour

00:03:03   afterward I think yeah that's a window

00:03:05   of time when calories don't count naira

00:03:08   and if you have some kind of horrific

00:03:10   eating disorder you may eat three or

00:03:13   four gigantic tubs of popcorn while

00:03:16   you're sitting there watching movie like

00:03:17   just just in theory but this is not as

00:03:19   brought to you by big popcorn well also

00:03:22   the other reason I thought of you and I

00:03:24   know you think this is like means

00:03:25   nothing and it does mean nothing okay I

00:03:27   saw it in quite an empty cinema and I

00:03:29   went for the posh site so it's comfy and

00:03:31   at the end of my row was sitting another

00:03:35   guy watching her alone who I swear was

00:03:38   your doppelganger oh yeah I almost took

00:03:41   a picture of him to show you but it was

00:03:42   too dark it was crazy how much he looked

00:03:44   like you huh I've never seen someone who

00:03:47   I thought oh that guy over there he

00:03:49   looks like gray but this time it was

00:03:50   like whoa I feel like almost why I check

00:03:52   our our times because I watched it today

00:03:54   in a theatre that was it was just me

00:03:56   alone in the theater like was there a

00:03:58   Brady force ghost or astral projection

00:04:01   sitting next to him in the back row

00:04:03   watching this movie it's quite possible

00:04:06   we were having a little forced moment

00:04:08   together watching the movie maybe that's

00:04:09   what happened I wasn't a plane out a

00:04:11   while ago and there was someone sitting

00:04:13   near me who looked like someone I knew

00:04:15   and I texted them and said someone who

00:04:17   looks just like is on my plane

00:04:19   and they said okay and then I took a

00:04:22   sneaky picture and sent it to them by a

00:04:24   message and I looked at the photo and

00:04:26   my god that does look like me anyway

00:04:28   there's no picture so no phones in them

00:04:30   movie theatres Brady only if you're like

00:04:32   me an iPad on your lap no phones but

00:04:36   like a mini computer is perfectly fine I

00:04:38   was using my find to make eggs ah

00:04:41   naughty Brady you're very naughty well

00:04:43   it's got to be done yeah so anyway let's

00:04:45   crack home how are we gonna do this

00:04:47   review we're we're so bad at this it's

00:04:50   the same thing why are we talking about

00:04:53   the Wizard of Oz or my doppelganger it's

00:04:55   because I never know how to warm up to

00:04:59   these things yeah

00:05:00   as per usual this is my second viewing

00:05:04   of the movie so I saw it once yesterday

00:05:06   and then once this morning to take notes

00:05:09   okay

00:05:10   and I think once again you have seen it

00:05:12   for the first time on the day is that

00:05:13   right that's correct I've just saying a

00:05:15   few hours ago

00:05:16   just to give people the the like place

00:05:18   in time where we are I think again

00:05:20   there's this weird thing that happens

00:05:21   where on movies people's opinions tend

00:05:24   to converge very quickly so we're just

00:05:27   like walking out of the movie I went

00:05:29   into it pretty spoiler free and I

00:05:31   haven't heard anybody talk about it with

00:05:33   the exclusion of my wife who I saw it

00:05:34   with for the first time and so now now

00:05:36   I'm gonna talk to you about the movie

00:05:37   Brady I also was spoiler free I had seen

00:05:40   the trailers but I can still consider

00:05:42   myself to be pretty spoiler free and I

00:05:45   know very little about how it went down

00:05:48   but I have got a vague idea of what

00:05:50   reviewers and fans have thought just in

00:05:52   a very very kind mmm this is what people

00:05:54   think kind of way but I have not been

00:05:56   shaped by that in any way interesting I

00:05:58   know you're still MN on your own so

00:05:59   Brady the thing I guess we have to do is

00:06:01   we have to do this the way Brady wants

00:06:04   it Brady yeah what did you think of Star

00:06:08   Wars the last Jedi there are two things

00:06:10   I want to say from the outset okay it's

00:06:12   like an opening statement here yeah

00:06:14   there were two overarching things I want

00:06:16   to say one is very big picture

00:06:19   overarching like in the context of the

00:06:21   whole series of Star Wars films and one

00:06:23   is my broad sweeping overview of this

00:06:26   particular film my big overall Star Wars

00:06:31   thing I want to say is like people

00:06:32   listening have different feelings about

00:06:34   Star Wars some younger listeners don't

00:06:36   care at all some of our older listeners

00:06:38   don't care at all

00:06:39   some people are like us and Mike grew up

00:06:41   with a and it's a really big part of

00:06:43   their life and I'm that like to me I

00:06:45   grew up with a it's really important to

00:06:48   me it's like a big part of my childhood

00:06:49   and I don't think I'm the lone ranger

00:06:52   because Star Wars has become very much

00:06:53   part of the culture of our planet hasn't

00:06:55   everyone knows who Darth Vader is and

00:06:57   knows what the fuck made a force be with

00:06:59   you so I don't feel stupid

00:07:00   holding star was in a special place in

00:07:02   my heart I don't feel like that makes me

00:07:04   too weird

00:07:05   ha right so I love my Star Wars and as

00:07:10   they make more and more of these films

00:07:12   and I felt it today watching the new one

00:07:15   and I know how silly this seance cuz All

00:07:17   Star was as fiction but I'm beginning to

00:07:20   feel a bit like oh you're just making

00:07:22   stuff up now just keep it going it's

00:07:25   like there's the Canon that was the real

00:07:27   like what really happened and now it's

00:07:29   like oh come on you just making stuff up

00:07:32   to make money now I am with you 100%

00:07:34   like I understand that feeling entirely

00:07:36   and related to that I saw in the news

00:07:39   recently that Amazon announced that

00:07:41   they're going to be doing TV series

00:07:43   based on the Lord of the Rings that was

00:07:45   essentially like I wouldn't have quite

00:07:47   put it in those words you've articulated

00:07:48   something in my head that I was thinking

00:07:50   but that is exactly what I was thinking

00:07:52   about the TV show is like oh okay so

00:07:55   you're just gonna make up a bunch of

00:07:56   stuff as opposed to the room stuff that

00:07:58   happened in middle-earth right as

00:07:59   opposed to the actual mythology of

00:08:01   England you're just gonna make up some

00:08:03   nonsense for your TV show like that's

00:08:04   ridiculous so yeah I love that phrase

00:08:06   because I that has clicked something in

00:08:08   my head that I was thinking about

00:08:09   something else and I can completely see

00:08:12   how you feel about that as the modern

00:08:16   post Lucas sale of Star Wars as that era

00:08:20   has come upon us that is like oh they're

00:08:22   just making up stuff now yeah now on the

00:08:25   film itself I would say my overall

00:08:28   feeling is probably more negative than

00:08:32   positive mm-hmm but my main feeling is

00:08:34   one of overall meh I was a bit bored by

00:08:39   it and the thing that was most telling

00:08:41   to me was afterwards when I walked out I

00:08:45   just didn't think about it like if you'd

00:08:48   like a film or you hate a film

00:08:50   you're thinking a lot about it and you

00:08:52   can't wait to talk to people about it

00:08:54   and there's so many things on your mind

00:08:55   and your minds buzzing and I walked out

00:08:57   of the cinema and it's like it just fell

00:08:59   out of my head hmm it's like it made

00:09:02   very little impression on me and that's

00:09:04   incredible because ultimate spoiler

00:09:06   alert who would have thought that five

00:09:08   minutes after seeing Luke Skywalker die

00:09:11   I would just forget about it and not

00:09:13   care but I did and like driving home I

00:09:18   said come on ready you've got to think

00:09:19   about this film you got to talk to grey

00:09:21   you got to have interesting insights and

00:09:22   opinions and it was a real effort to

00:09:25   build up a lot of care about it hmm

00:09:29   and one last criticism and this is my

00:09:31   criticism of the film besides the fact I

00:09:33   thought was boring which is a pity

00:09:37   looking down my point and I know most of

00:09:39   my points will be negative because

00:09:40   that's just how these things work you

00:09:41   know there were good things about the

00:09:43   film but when I look through my negative

00:09:44   points one thing that seems to join a

00:09:48   lot of them together and annoyed me on

00:09:50   multiple occasions was our galaxy

00:09:54   leaking into their galaxy oh my god

00:09:57   yeah yeah there are lots of little

00:09:59   references and mannerisms or things that

00:10:01   happen that I felt like hang on a second

00:10:03   yeah this has been written in our galaxy

00:10:05   yeah this wasn't written in their galaxy

00:10:07   I'm gonna back you up on that and that

00:10:10   on very many levels from big things down

00:10:13   to very minor things yeah that is

00:10:15   actually my very first note is related

00:10:19   to something that happens in the

00:10:20   beginning of me I feel like is I know

00:10:21   what this is gonna pay yeah

00:10:23   it's an hour our universe moment era

00:10:25   anyway before we get into all the the

00:10:28   point-by-point hmm odd man winching yeah

00:10:31   what's big picture from grey what

00:10:32   context should I be hearing your

00:10:34   thoughts in yeah so to back up I think

00:10:39   it's interesting that I went into this

00:10:40   movie totally spoiler free because I

00:10:45   didn't spend any real energy this year

00:10:49   trying to avoid Star Wars boilers I was

00:10:53   aware in previous movies feeling like I

00:10:55   was trying to avoid stuff and failing

00:10:57   maybe because a podcast co-host made me

00:11:00   watch a trailer or because people just

00:11:02   wanted to talk about a thing and I would

00:11:03   see it

00:11:04   I don't know what that does an

00:11:05   indication of but I just think it is

00:11:07   interesting that I didn't feel like I

00:11:09   needed to try to avoid anything and I

00:11:12   walked into the movie just totally cold

00:11:13   I hadn't even seen the poster of the

00:11:15   movie right I don't know if that is just

00:11:18   our world getting much better with

00:11:19   spoiler culture which I would hope they

00:11:22   would give me a spark of hope Brady if

00:11:24   our culture is getting much better about

00:11:26   spoilers or if it was just a kind of

00:11:28   like weird indifference on my part I

00:11:31   don't know I just think it's no worthy

00:11:32   okay but so when you say meh I think

00:11:39   that there is there is something I have

00:11:42   that as a parallel feeling which I had

00:11:45   after our last year special which is

00:11:47   this feeling that there is now going to

00:11:50   be Star Wars forever mm-hmm and this has

00:11:54   changed something and also a thing that

00:12:00   over the course of our podcasts I've

00:12:02   been mentioning a little bit more and

00:12:03   more is that like the changing industry

00:12:05   of how these things aren't produced and

00:12:07   it's like a background radiation in my

00:12:09   mind that I kind of can't get rid of the

00:12:12   like our universe concerns about

00:12:15   cinematic universes and how our movies

00:12:18   made and especially how our long mega

00:12:21   series may like what is the mechanics of

00:12:23   this I've had conversations with people

00:12:25   like in the industry looking at the

00:12:27   horrible sausage behind all of it and I

00:12:29   do feel like that has polluted my mind a

00:12:31   little bit that is the background as for

00:12:35   this movie this movie to me was

00:12:40   Spaceballs the movie I feel like I had a

00:12:43   little bit of a rollercoaster with this

00:12:45   movie where I felt like things were

00:12:47   tonally off for a while like I couldn't

00:12:50   quite get into it for a bunch of reasons

00:12:51   we'll get into and then at some point it

00:12:55   just kind of clicked in my head that

00:12:56   this feels like the people who made

00:12:58   Spaceballs wanted to make a really

00:13:01   serious Star Wars movie and they mostly

00:13:03   did it but there's like a Spaceballs

00:13:05   enos leaking through and when that

00:13:08   clicked in my head I actually enjoyed

00:13:10   the movie more like my expectations went

00:13:12   from nothing to really low and then I

00:13:15   felt like oh I can kind of enjoy this

00:13:17   movie

00:13:18   but then I have the same kind of

00:13:20   problems as you like I found it sort of

00:13:21   boring this is sort of unintentionally

00:13:25   funny through my eyes I enjoyed watching

00:13:29   it more than rogue one which I really

00:13:32   didn't like but I don't think it's a

00:13:33   very good movie and I think that this

00:13:36   has now reached the point where it

00:13:38   doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore and

00:13:41   a lot of my notes are trying to figure

00:13:43   out like what has occurred so that's my

00:13:47   overall feeling of the movie ok can have

00:13:49   a lot of upset people out there

00:13:51   yeah ok so now you're making me nervous

00:13:53   do you think that the fan consensus is

00:13:55   that people liked it this is what I've

00:13:57   heard oh no Brian I've seen is that

00:13:59   critics quite liked the film ok but a

00:14:02   lot of Star Wars fans have a mmmm that

00:14:05   actually could work with some of what

00:14:07   you just said but that could work for us

00:14:09   I really am still getting messages and

00:14:11   feedback from people who want to

00:14:12   violently disagree with me about rip 1

00:14:14   let's talk about rogue one at the end

00:14:15   because I'm one of them and this film

00:14:17   has changed me even more about rogue a

00:14:19   but that's my final point I'd like to

00:14:21   discuss carry and so let's do with the

00:14:22   film at hand and can I start at the very

00:14:24   beginning it please go right ahead

00:14:26   because the last few Star Wars films

00:14:28   that I've seen particularly force

00:14:31   awakens that moment when you have the

00:14:35   Silence of Lucasfilm and then there's a

00:14:38   yeah this and the Star Wars comes up in

00:14:40   the fan fairy like I got tingles when

00:14:43   that happened previous times like it's I

00:14:46   think probably even happened when the

00:14:47   prequels came out it was like yeah Star

00:14:49   Wars his back and it caused a real

00:14:50   excitement this time and I don't know

00:14:53   maybe it was my mood I don't know this

00:14:55   time for the first time I found a bit

00:14:59   cringy hmm I was like waiting for it to

00:15:01   happen and then when it finally happened

00:15:03   bang like I was sort of waiting for the

00:15:05   big loud nor is I don't know if camp is

00:15:07   the word but it felt like like a parody

00:15:10   of itself it's like I bet they had a big

00:15:13   loud noise at the start of Spaceballs

00:15:14   right yeah it felt like a bit of a joke

00:15:17   of itself this time this was at a point

00:15:19   where I was completely neutral about how

00:15:21   good or bad the film was gonna be mm-hmm

00:15:22   but I didn't get that feeling this time

00:15:24   this time I felt a bit embarrassed by

00:15:26   mhm and I don't know if it's because

00:15:28   it's being overused and it's now it's

00:15:30   not special anymore

00:15:32   explain it but that's the feeling I had

00:15:34   I was like wow through the literal first

00:15:37   note I kind of winced I don't know what

00:15:41   it was I'm sorry this is what happened

00:15:43   the first day I'm still worked on me

00:15:44   we're just like yeah

00:15:48   and then we had the traditional pan down

00:15:51   and for the first time in a while they

00:15:53   didn't try to be overly creative with it

00:15:54   they just went pretty standard which was

00:15:56   yeah it was nice

00:15:57   there's a nice change up so the thing

00:16:00   that you might expect is my first note

00:16:02   on this is

00:16:04   Spaceballs the phone call where we see

00:16:07   our first order ships in the sky they're

00:16:10   chasing the resistance you know like the

00:16:13   classic Star Wars set up there's a chase

00:16:15   between this the ships and then a single

00:16:17   fighter appears with PO right that's the

00:16:19   guy's name and he's like stalling for

00:16:22   time and he calls the lead ship he's

00:16:25   calling general Hux and yeah it's like

00:16:29   okay your movie is opening dramatic

00:16:31   scene and they start off with a joke

00:16:34   which is essentially a joke about like

00:16:37   facetiming with your mom a little bit

00:16:39   yeah mobile phone reception not quite

00:16:42   working yeah it's like oh he's calling

00:16:43   for general Hux and like Poe is messing

00:16:47   with him right he's pretending that he

00:16:49   can't hear the guy to like wind him up

00:16:51   and it's like okay I can kind of go

00:16:53   along with that like a version of this

00:16:55   that I think worked was in the the first

00:16:57   movie in his first appearance he makes

00:17:01   fun of kylos helmet right like you're

00:17:03   talking yeah he's like I can't hear you

00:17:05   with that hump like and he makes a joke

00:17:06   of it that's like okay but this is

00:17:07   totally in character but the thing that

00:17:09   bothered me was not so much the joke

00:17:11   it's the script language right he says

00:17:14   I'm holding for general Hux and he says

00:17:18   okay I'll like I'll hold I'm still on

00:17:21   hold and maybe it's just a minor thing

00:17:23   but that just really cook lokes wrong in

00:17:26   my brain with the language like it's the

00:17:29   laker yeah it's the laking that's gonna

00:17:30   come up again and again it's the leaking

00:17:32   of our galaxy into their galaxy that

00:17:35   might sound like a minor thing but I

00:17:36   really do think it matters hmm it's like

00:17:39   how do you maintain a suspension of

00:17:41   disbelief suspension of disbelief breaks

00:17:44   you see the reality of the thing too

00:17:46   clearly and this is one of those moments

00:17:48   like using this language to say like I

00:17:52   am on hold I know can you hear me can

00:17:54   you hear me and okay I know exactly what

00:17:56   we're doing we're doing the thing that

00:17:57   I've done a million times like talking

00:17:59   on cell phones or whatever then they

00:18:01   sort of go back into it but he makes a

00:18:02   joke about like oh I have an urgent

00:18:03   message for general Hux mother yeah okay

00:18:06   your momager that's what is like is that

00:18:08   okay okay I mean maybe I could have let

00:18:13   that slide but like that combined with

00:18:15   the hold it almost feels like it's tempt

00:18:17   I log that they just left in and there's

00:18:20   another theme which i think is going to

00:18:22   come up from me again and again is aside

00:18:24   from the real world leaking into the

00:18:25   Star Wars world

00:18:26   I think somebody had a directive in this

00:18:31   movie to not let any serious scene hold

00:18:36   so over and over in this movie they have

00:18:39   serious scene and they like end it with

00:18:43   a joke or they have to have a joke that

00:18:45   like breaks the tension too soon is like

00:18:48   over and over and over again that's a

00:18:50   thing that happens and I feel like this

00:18:52   was again like right off the bat I felt

00:18:54   a little bit off-kilter that was a

00:18:56   little bit in disbelief at the the

00:18:58   opening mood setting joke of the movie

00:19:01   and so it continues on from here it's

00:19:04   soso seems to me very much like people

00:19:07   have said one of the things that worked

00:19:09   so well in the force awakens was the use

00:19:12   of humor right and it was there were so

00:19:13   many funny moments in the force awakens

00:19:15   that were just done perfectly they just

00:19:17   got it right and it feels like they were

00:19:19   over encouraged by that and someone said

00:19:22   oh okay this is how this works now I

00:19:24   have to be funny and it's a bit like you

00:19:26   know how when a little kid does

00:19:27   something funny and everyone says are

00:19:29   you're really funny little kid and then

00:19:30   the kids are starts doing it too much

00:19:32   and it's not really funny anymore but

00:19:33   they get encouraged cuz the adults think

00:19:35   they're good and funny are you've given

00:19:36   them positive feedback and now they

00:19:37   start like humor babbling in every

00:19:40   direction waiting to see what they hit

00:19:42   on yeah that's what's happened here it's

00:19:44   like they've got to encouraged by all

00:19:45   the positive feedback about the humor in

00:19:47   the force awakens and now they're going

00:19:48   oh let's do it let's and it's like no no

00:19:50   no no no you got to dial that back you

00:19:53   know yeah and it's also in the case of

00:19:55   explicit jokes

00:19:57   as opposed to humor coming from a

00:19:59   situation and it is like okay I can see

00:20:02   someone like put the joke in here and

00:20:05   then yeah okay alright well let's get

00:20:09   into this space battle then shall we

00:20:11   another comment I've got early on and

00:20:13   it's another thing that happens early in

00:20:14   the film and another criticism of the

00:20:16   film it sort of goes away eventually but

00:20:18   it is it happens too much that is the

00:20:20   film is too slapstick mm-hmm like Finn

00:20:24   falling out of his bed and his water

00:20:26   suit leaking everywhere very weird like

00:20:28   there are quite a few moments that felt

00:20:30   too slapstick and like the film was not

00:20:33   taking itself seriously and I'm like the

00:20:36   time that happens this is a serious

00:20:38   battle and thousands of lives seem to be

00:20:41   at stake and we're having like Joe key

00:20:44   moments walking around with water

00:20:45   leaking out that's supposed to be this

00:20:47   is like yeah Three Stooges this is

00:20:50   classic I don't know I felt like the

00:20:51   film was not serious enough a lot of the

00:20:54   time there's a couple of space battle so

00:20:56   I can't quite place which one this

00:20:57   happens and but I think a good example

00:20:59   of that like okay so so Finn wakes up

00:21:01   and he's in a comical water leaking out

00:21:03   bag that makes no sense at all to think

00:21:06   about it for two seconds there's also a

00:21:07   scene in the movie where Poe is running

00:21:10   to his x-wing because he wants to go

00:21:12   save the day and the whole hangar filled

00:21:15   with several dozens of people explodes

00:21:17   like and he's knocked out of the hangar

00:21:19   and it's a bad moment but they

00:21:21   immediately follow it up with like a

00:21:22   physical gag about bb-8 reattaching his

00:21:26   head like how does bb-8 head

00:21:27   magnetically reattached and that's again

00:21:30   the kind of thing where i just feel like

00:21:32   you're undercutting these moments and i

00:21:35   it happened so much I think it's on

00:21:37   purpose and is like don't focus too much

00:21:39   on everybody who just lost their lives

00:21:41   we want to immediately plant the

00:21:43   question of how does bb-8 reattach his

00:21:45   head and the answer is in a slightly

00:21:47   humorous manner that's how he does so

00:21:49   like just forget about that entire cargo

00:21:51   bay filled with rebels that just got

00:21:52   blown up sort of reasonably early in the

00:21:54   film we go to luke skywalker island and

00:21:57   this was another place which i had a few

00:22:00   good notes about i don't know how long

00:22:01   we're gonna talk about this blue milk

00:22:04   teat saying oh god it's really gross

00:22:07   we're just not gonna talk about that

00:22:08   because that was just dumb

00:22:10   unnecessary it's an example of the movie

00:22:12   feeling like it needs to do a thing this

00:22:14   is also now like okay so we are

00:22:16   depending on how you want to count it

00:22:18   right we're either five or eight movies

00:22:20   in and the movie feeling like it needs

00:22:23   to have the beats every time and it

00:22:26   starts getting weird or like you just

00:22:28   don't want those beats anymore as like

00:22:31   okay we're gonna have to have blue milk

00:22:32   oh we're going to have to have poor

00:22:34   Porkins dies every time immediately in

00:22:37   his ex Wang like every movie he's there

00:22:39   just eternally dying and this one with

00:22:41   the blue milk was just so weird it's a

00:22:45   moment where again what I was wondering

00:22:47   is like has anybody in the Star Wars

00:22:49   universe ever called it milk or is that

00:22:51   just what the fans referred to it as and

00:22:54   then the studio executives are going

00:22:56   Opie blue milk let's keep going with

00:22:58   this and now let's really show that it's

00:23:00   actually milk from this disgusting semi

00:23:04   humanoid creature it was really

00:23:07   unnecessary you know at least I was a

00:23:09   special guy I shouldn't have to say him

00:23:12   milking the teat of some weird monster

00:23:16   and then have blue milk all coming dead

00:23:18   it's disgusting

00:23:20   it gives ray a look like he's doing it

00:23:23   on purpose to be gross which makes the

00:23:25   whole scene even weirder yeah it's okay

00:23:30   I mean just imagine Brady when you were

00:23:32   a little boy in watching Star Wars and

00:23:33   they said don't worry someday forty

00:23:35   years in the future there will be new

00:23:37   Star Wars movies and you'll get to see

00:23:38   the further adventures of Luke what will

00:23:40   he be doing he'll be milking a sort of

00:23:42   cow creature and getting milk all down

00:23:46   his beard that's what he'll be doing

00:23:47   there was also a moment early on on Luke

00:23:49   Skywalker Island where we see another

00:23:52   moment of our galaxy leaking into their

00:23:55   galaxy in a really matter way that made

00:23:58   me even more uncomfortable than the

00:23:59   other ways and that was when Luke

00:24:01   Skywalker dismissively referred to laser

00:24:04   sword yeah yeah instead of a lightsaber

00:24:07   that's like a way that Star Wars fans

00:24:09   would de ride muggles because they don't

00:24:12   know what a lightsaber is and they just

00:24:13   say laser Sun and Luke Skywalker was

00:24:15   using that terminology to to ride people

00:24:18   for not understanding Jedi's it's just

00:24:20   too meta for me it was like it just

00:24:21   really took me out of everything

00:24:23   hang on this is weird Luke Skywalker

00:24:25   shouldn't say laser sword I don't know

00:24:27   if I'm right about that but I feel like

00:24:28   there's a Lucas ISM fair that like

00:24:30   George Lucas would call them laser

00:24:31   swords as a joke and then this becomes

00:24:33   the thing but there are so many times in

00:24:35   the movie where I found myself running

00:24:37   this metacognition loop of like has

00:24:39   anyone in Star Wars ever said the word

00:24:40   laser and it's like yeah no okay they

00:24:42   have said the word laser so it's not

00:24:43   unreasonable that he would use the word

00:24:45   laser sort in a jokey way I was like why

00:24:47   am i running this loop in my head at all

00:24:48   trying to like cast back yeah and it's

00:24:50   because I'm constantly presented with

00:24:53   things that feel unstart Z and I'm

00:24:56   trying to like back fit against the

00:24:58   original holy trilogy this is what's

00:25:00   occurring and I think that the movie

00:25:02   even in a meta way is again in this

00:25:05   distracting way talking directly to the

00:25:08   audience where they have this recurring

00:25:09   theme of like let old things die right

00:25:12   like let Luke Skywalker die like let the

00:25:14   Empire die like I feel like you're

00:25:16   talking directly to me director in a way

00:25:19   that is also uncomfortable just

00:25:22   constantly running this meta loop of

00:25:24   like what is this movie doing I was very

00:25:27   aware of that as a theme in the movie

00:25:28   like let the old things go it maybe what

00:25:31   I have a feeling like there was some

00:25:32   kind of director disagreement between

00:25:34   this movie and the force awakens but we

00:25:36   can get to that at a later point Iran

00:25:38   this time by the way there is one saying

00:25:40   that was almost a nice saying and then

00:25:43   that got ruined by something that just

00:25:45   didn't sit right with me and that's when

00:25:46   Luke goes into the cockpit of the

00:25:49   Millennium Falcon and like switches on

00:25:51   the lights yeah but for a moment this is

00:25:53   great moment where you see this classic

00:25:55   old cockpit and there's Luke now you

00:25:57   know ravaged by time and for a few

00:26:00   seconds it was really poignant and I

00:26:01   thought now that's working for me yeah

00:26:02   and then they went and did this dice on

00:26:05   the dashboard thing which becomes this

00:26:07   important han Solo memento which I've

00:26:11   researched a bit since but really

00:26:13   they're trying to manufacture a hand so

00:26:16   they are object here that is really

00:26:18   scraping the bottom of the barrel and it

00:26:20   never worked with me through the film it

00:26:22   was supposed to be this special item

00:26:23   that touched us at multiple points

00:26:25   through the film but it didn't land with

00:26:27   me yeah well Luke Skywalker island is a

00:26:30   weird place especially on the second

00:26:32   rewatch because I was aware of being

00:26:34   confused of the timeline a little bit in

00:26:35   the first one like how

00:26:37   long does Ray spend on Luke Skywalker

00:26:40   Highland how long is she there getting

00:26:43   training I don't think she was very

00:26:45   trained I think it was more of a tent or

00:26:47   yeah like I'll put training in quotes

00:26:50   right but I was looking at it and it's

00:26:52   like okay at a bare minimum she's there

00:26:54   for three days

00:26:57   if the day/night cycle is to be believed

00:26:59   on this planet but the way the movie is

00:27:02   cut like what's happening on Luke

00:27:03   Skywalker Island is cut with the main

00:27:08   storyline in a way that they can't be

00:27:10   happening at the same time you're seeing

00:27:13   Luke Skywalker Island in a compressed

00:27:16   format while the main plot is is going

00:27:20   on I mentioned she was there for a few

00:27:21   weeks for some reason but who knows how

00:27:23   long she was there but she's trying like

00:27:24   what is the minimum because the first

00:27:26   time I was watching it I had it a little

00:27:28   bit messed up in my head and I was

00:27:29   thinking okay

00:27:30   there's this space chase going on and

00:27:32   she she's just arrived but the space

00:27:34   chase maybe lasted like 18 hours so like

00:27:36   what was she there for three hours how

00:27:37   Luke Skywalker Island like you know got

00:27:39   an inspiring talk and then headed back

00:27:41   she was clearly there for a little while

00:27:43   longer

00:27:44   hmm I don't know how did you feel about

00:27:46   seeing Luke again I felt similar to how

00:27:49   I felt about layer in the force awakens

00:27:51   like it's almost the toll that Age has

00:27:55   taken on the actors is so great and

00:28:00   shocking mm-hmm that it's very hard to

00:28:03   slip back into the film hmm you're

00:28:07   thinking Carrie Fisher Mark Hamill

00:28:10   no it's been 40 years and I'm thinking

00:28:13   how old is Mark Hamill now he must have

00:28:15   been about a tonne when you vote doing

00:28:18   that math in your head yeah instead of

00:28:20   like being lost in the film and the

00:28:21   magic of Luke Skywalker I'm thinking you

00:28:23   know gosh you know he looks like a hobo

00:28:25   and more like he seems like a fun guy

00:28:29   online and you know he's pitiful legend

00:28:32   of course he's a legend of my childhood

00:28:33   but mmm I don't know

00:28:35   maybe you know some things are best left

00:28:37   as golden memories haven't tarnished I

00:28:41   was very distracted by his appearance

00:28:42   throughout the lil I found it very

00:28:45   distracting what about you I think I

00:28:47   just had a little bit of a hard time

00:28:49   buying Luke

00:28:50   mentor I think you have to do a lot of

00:28:52   like mental backfilling in of what has

00:28:54   occurred over this period of time mm-hmm

00:28:57   but there is something in my mind which

00:28:58   is disjointed where it's like oh the

00:29:00   last time I saw Luke he was still kind

00:29:02   of like a you know a kid with some

00:29:03   tousled hair and he was also like

00:29:05   everyone talks about how he's the great

00:29:06   master but even like at the end of

00:29:09   Return of the Jedi when he like saved

00:29:10   the galaxy on the Death Star and all

00:29:12   that he still kind of flipped it and he

00:29:14   was a bit young it's a major plot point

00:29:16   in those movies that he is ridiculously

00:29:18   underprepared for what he's doing right

00:29:21   they pulled it out by the skin of their

00:29:23   teeth and he's not some amazing Jedi

00:29:26   Master at the end of that movie no he's

00:29:28   not like Yoda and stuff like he's not

00:29:30   top level he's just like a he just got

00:29:32   lucky in the Super Bowl

00:29:33   got a fluky touchdown at the end yeah

00:29:36   and the entirety of that great victory

00:29:38   was undone in the preceding times we can

00:29:41   have another sequence of movies but yeah

00:29:43   there was something about him in the

00:29:44   like oh you're going to be obi-wan

00:29:46   Kenobi role then I felt like I don't

00:29:48   know I just I had a little bit of a hard

00:29:50   time buying him as the mentor I know he

00:29:52   ran this temple and everything went

00:29:54   wrong with kylo Ren but we've seen so

00:29:56   little of that that it's it's just like

00:29:57   oh you're just telling me stories about

00:29:59   one hurt although I do have to say that

00:30:01   as a small detail I did like that they

00:30:03   flashback to the event like the pivotal

00:30:06   night when kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker

00:30:09   have a fight in the whole temple burns

00:30:10   down I did like what you know because of

00:30:12   my obsession with you can't trust your

00:30:13   memories I liked how they showed that

00:30:15   scene three different ways depending on

00:30:18   the person who was telling the story

00:30:20   yeah like when kylo Ren remembers the

00:30:22   moment like Luke's eyes ever are filled

00:30:23   with rage I can use and he's coming down

00:30:25   like I thought that was quite nice

00:30:26   because that just illustrates a thing

00:30:28   that happens in real life like people

00:30:30   remember things differently and it like

00:30:32   you keep remembering and it gets built

00:30:33   up in different ways and it did make me

00:30:36   somewhat not trust Luke's retelling of

00:30:38   the version of what happened it's just

00:30:41   like there was a thing that happened a

00:30:42   long time ago and like who knows now

00:30:43   what the real events were so while we're

00:30:45   still on Luke Skywalker Island what are

00:30:48   your thoughts about the helpers he has

00:30:49   that do all like the construction work

00:30:51   and also the cute little Audrey's that

00:30:53   run all around the island okay so the

00:30:56   frog nuns who live on that island mhm

00:30:59   that to me was laughable

00:31:02   that was really I think when like the

00:31:04   Spaceballs was entering my brain is it's

00:31:07   just like this is weird

00:31:08   and the way they cut to them like they

00:31:11   just pop out of nowhere it seems like Oh

00:31:13   suddenly there's a bunch of helper frog

00:31:14   nuns on this island there's terrible

00:31:16   there should have been no one because

00:31:18   the first time I saw those stone huts I

00:31:20   was just imagining Luke building them

00:31:22   over 20 or 30 years and yeah this could

00:31:24   have existence that he'd been having and

00:31:25   I quite liked that I quite liked the

00:31:27   thought that he's just there alone

00:31:28   tending to these huts and fighting the

00:31:30   elements and all of a sudden we've got

00:31:32   all these like assistants and helpers

00:31:34   yeah he has a bunch of maids like doing

00:31:37   the laundry or whatever they're up to it

00:31:39   was very weird because yeah it's a much

00:31:41   better thing if he's there on his own

00:31:43   like losing his mind a little bit or

00:31:46   becoming really detached yeah it's gone

00:31:49   from having banished himself to a rocky

00:31:51   island sort of for the sake of the

00:31:53   galaxy to him going to a resort in go

00:31:56   away or he's on a Greek isle somewhere

00:31:58   in a convent and as I was the most

00:32:01   unfindable place in the universe but

00:32:03   there's a bunch of nuns here you know

00:32:04   and like they must have some kind of

00:32:06   interaction with the outside like it was

00:32:07   very weird and I hated them I thought

00:32:10   they looked comical they just look

00:32:12   stupid they looked prequel yeah I don't

00:32:15   know if I would say that cuz I bet

00:32:18   though those are physical costumes yeah

00:32:20   yeah but they looked like space balls to

00:32:22   me right like if space balls had to make

00:32:24   up what you're gonna have in a convent

00:32:25   this is what you would do and they are

00:32:28   another example of a scene that I

00:32:30   thought was like oh here's a scene that

00:32:32   is actually pulling at me a little bit

00:32:34   which is Luke Skywalker is not training

00:32:37   Rey she decides that she's essentially

00:32:39   going to be training herself so in the

00:32:41   morning while she's practicing her

00:32:42   fighting with her staff she takes out

00:32:44   the lightsaber and she starts fake

00:32:46   attacking this rock outcropping and they

00:32:49   used the Rey theme which I really like I

00:32:51   feel like this is the best music out of

00:32:53   the new movies and Luke is coming up

00:32:55   behind her and he sees that she like she

00:32:57   is going to train herself with or

00:32:59   without his help you know when the music

00:33:01   is swelling and it's and it's all great

00:33:03   and then once again like what happens

00:33:05   here she accidentally cuts the stone

00:33:08   statue in front of her so the stone

00:33:10   rolls down the hill and knocks over a

00:33:13   cart full of laundry from one of these

00:33:15   nuns and then the two nuns look up

00:33:18   her like him there really annoyed and

00:33:19   it's like why did you put in a physical

00:33:22   slapstick joke at what is maybe one of

00:33:26   the more dramatic pivotal scenes that

00:33:29   what the ice is here there's another

00:33:30   great example of that gray about five

00:33:32   minutes before that happens which again

00:33:35   shows this film's inability to have the

00:33:37   comic timing that the previous one had

00:33:39   and that is that important moment when

00:33:42   Ray hands the lightsaber to Luke how

00:33:44   much was the end of the previous film

00:33:46   and we all were dying to know what the

00:33:48   first thing Luke's said or did would be

00:33:49   and he does that you know comic throw it

00:33:52   over my shoulder which I think they

00:33:53   thought would have people like rolling

00:33:54   in the aisles laughing and maybe it

00:33:57   could have worked if the timing was done

00:33:58   better but just the way it was cut and

00:34:00   done was dreadful so I kind of blinked

00:34:04   the first time that that happened the

00:34:06   first on my first viewing and the first

00:34:08   time I saw there were a bunch of people

00:34:09   in the theater and everybody was like

00:34:11   uproariously laughing like guffawing and

00:34:13   Mara and I sort of missed it but I

00:34:17   remember thinking in my head like oh

00:34:18   what a bunch of cretin 'he's like in

00:34:19   this theater like defying at this thing

00:34:21   but then when i was able to watch it

00:34:23   closely the second time like no that was

00:34:24   clearly shot to be a joke yeah like they

00:34:28   said to him toss it over your shoulder

00:34:29   in a funny way it was clearly supposed

00:34:31   to be funny yeah like it was supposed to

00:34:32   be a visual gag but it just like that

00:34:34   was not a time for joking this is such a

00:34:36   moment being reunited with this light

00:34:38   say but ray this character that as

00:34:40   viewers we all completely love meeting

00:34:43   Luke Skywalker for the first time but

00:34:45   this was such a big man's like I've seen

00:34:47   Luke Skywalker throw away a lights or a

00:34:49   light sword great now it's infecting my

00:34:51   brain right obviously Luke Skywalker

00:34:53   throw away a lightsaber in a pretty

00:34:55   dramatic moment previous leaks like Mark

00:34:58   Hamill can do that in an emotional way

00:35:01   but this was played as a laugh and yeah

00:35:04   I don't know I have to look it up I

00:35:06   don't know I'm presuming that JJ Abrams

00:35:08   didn't direct this one that didn't feel

00:35:10   nice okay Ryan

00:35:13   okay but there were a bunch of things

00:35:15   that felt to me in this movie like I

00:35:18   think that there are directors or script

00:35:20   writers having a disagreement with stuff

00:35:23   that was set up in the force awakens and

00:35:25   what is going to happen in this movie

00:35:26   yeah and that lightsaber over the

00:35:29   shoulder is like okay that to me feels

00:35:31   like a

00:35:32   rector is screwing with another director

00:35:33   like oh we're gonna take your dramatic

00:35:35   moment and the hell with it there's a

00:35:37   whole bunch of stuff with like the evil

00:35:40   emperor guy we'll get to it's like that

00:35:41   feels like they just decided to discard

00:35:43   what was happening before there's stuff

00:35:45   with Rey's parents where it's like I

00:35:46   think we're gonna change all of that

00:35:47   there were a whole bunch of things that

00:35:49   just felt like like I can feel the

00:35:51   studio disagreement in the background

00:35:54   about what's going to occur mmm and that

00:35:56   lightsaber throat was was totally one of

00:35:58   those things now other thing on Luke

00:36:00   Skywalker island is okay all of the

00:36:04   little puffin creatures who are around

00:36:06   the Audry's there Audrey stuff they're

00:36:08   not aw dude they're like little puffin

00:36:09   creatures yeah they look nothing like

00:36:10   Audrey battery doesn't thought she does

00:36:13   not look like those little things yeah

00:36:14   they were super cute I sort of didn't

00:36:16   mind then like you good look you need to

00:36:18   have something that's a CGI creature

00:36:20   that you can sell a thousand merchandise

00:36:22   copies up you gotta sell a few fluffy

00:36:24   toys Diane yeah you need in a walk yeah

00:36:26   and that's fine like I have no problem

00:36:27   with that I understand this is how this

00:36:28   works and I thought they were pretty

00:36:30   well done like they're believable cute

00:36:32   little creatures that's fine yeah we're

00:36:34   it felt like the world is leaking in is

00:36:37   the scene where Chewie is going to eat

00:36:39   one of them I can he's cooked it up to

00:36:41   be a perfect little chicken and yeah it

00:36:44   is a cute scene that the little puffin

00:36:47   creatures are all horrified that Chuy's

00:36:48   about to eat one of their own yeah and

00:36:50   they're looking at him with these big

00:36:51   sad eyes it's like that sort of works

00:36:54   for me except that like later in the

00:36:57   movie they make another point with

00:36:58   animals and it it just starts to feel

00:37:01   like I don't know it's just it feels

00:37:03   like something from the outside world is

00:37:05   leaking in here and I'm thinking like

00:37:07   what's chewy supposed to eat like

00:37:08   presumably he didn't hunt down one of

00:37:10   those little creatures just for fun like

00:37:11   I think he hunted it down because he was

00:37:12   hungry like what is he supposed to do

00:37:14   yeah it just rubbed me a little the

00:37:17   wrong way it's like it's a joke oh sorry

00:37:19   the thing they're great is like the

00:37:21   horse had bolted

00:37:22   he's killed and conscience they're

00:37:27   deciding not to eat it like I think it's

00:37:29   tight like yeah I can't imagine them all

00:37:32   there looking thinking I'll go on like

00:37:34   give our friend a break like it's too

00:37:36   late for your friend yeah he's already

00:37:38   gone and actually where there were two

00:37:39   of them cuz there was another one it was

00:37:40   on the fire stuff or there was something

00:37:42   in this moment where it's like maybe

00:37:44   because of other thing

00:37:45   in the movie I felt like my sensitivity

00:37:46   was was turned up a little high but it

00:37:48   felt like one of the script writers was

00:37:50   trying to like get it on record like oh

00:37:52   it's canon now that Chuy's a vegetarian

00:37:54   uh yeah you can't have chewy a

00:37:56   vegetarian his weakness for meat is a

00:37:58   great part of eternal yeah of course you

00:38:01   can't it's ridiculous and again I may be

00:38:03   reading that too far but it's just like

00:38:05   combined with other things I don't think

00:38:08   I am I feel like there was a joke there

00:38:10   about like Oh Chu he's not gonna eat

00:38:11   meat anymore I'm the subject of

00:38:13   Chewbacca just quickly cuz that's my

00:38:15   next note on my list I thought he was

00:38:17   strangely underused and unengaged in

00:38:19   this whole film but he could have just

00:38:21   not been in the film for all I care you

00:38:22   know when when he shows up and Luke goes

00:38:24   Chewie right that was my exact thought

00:38:26   of like hey I totally forgot he were

00:38:28   here what are you doing here buddy he

00:38:30   never really is needed like later on

00:38:34   they give him the Millennium Falcon to

00:38:35   fly a little bit but yeah I think this

00:38:37   is a recurring problem with a bunch of

00:38:39   characters is like they have a bunch of

00:38:41   people who if you think about it don't

00:38:43   really do anything and Chewie is

00:38:46   definitely one of those characters like

00:38:48   he's just there because you need Chewie

00:38:50   to be there in the movie but it doesn't

00:38:52   feel like he's participating in any way

00:38:54   Chewie felt like he did just about as

00:38:57   much as c-3po does like CT Brio is there

00:38:59   but he's not really contributing in any

00:39:01   meaningful way so other things happen on

00:39:03   Luke Skywalker Island throughout the

00:39:05   film so let's deal with some more of

00:39:06   them mmm we've got these Jedi texts in a

00:39:09   tree yeah which seems unnecessary new

00:39:13   items although there's some allusion

00:39:16   later in the film maybe that they're

00:39:17   gonna play a role later I don't know but

00:39:19   we also have this kind of unexpected and

00:39:23   unnecessary appearance of Yoda I mean

00:39:25   either they're like the weird Tree of

00:39:27   Life that has the books in it okay fine

00:39:31   whatever

00:39:32   Luke deciding he's going to be the last

00:39:34   Jedi I think his reasoning seems

00:39:35   confused about that but like okay

00:39:38   whatever he's been living alone on this

00:39:40   island oh wait no he hasn't he's been

00:39:42   tended to by the monks but whatever like

00:39:44   I keep moving

00:39:45   but Yoda showing up for the first little

00:39:48   bit I kind of loved it because it was

00:39:50   the old Yoda it was a good-looking yard

00:39:53   that's one of my positives I said by

00:39:54   this film they got a good Yoda Yoda

00:39:56   didn't look bad

00:39:58   love that he burns down the temple and

00:40:01   when they cut back to Yoda his little

00:40:03   feet are pumping up and down like he is

00:40:06   just like this is the funniest thing in

00:40:08   the world like he has burned down this

00:40:11   thousand generation old Jedi Temple and

00:40:14   totally for the lulz right like that is

00:40:17   a little thing that I genuinely loved is

00:40:19   just that segments of the appearance of

00:40:21   Yoda like a he did nothing else that

00:40:23   would have been perfect

00:40:23   I don't agree well I didn't notice the

00:40:26   little dance that you're referring to

00:40:28   when the movie comes out on blu-ray like

00:40:30   someone's got to make a gift of that for

00:40:31   me he's like peeing his pants with joy

00:40:33   about burning this down just to get

00:40:36   Luke's goat I don't like that he did

00:40:38   that though I didn't like that part of

00:40:39   the film that's when I ceased enjoying

00:40:41   Yoda's appearance one I don't believe

00:40:43   that force ghosts should be able to

00:40:45   intervene in the natural world like that

00:40:47   yeah that is one thing which is a little

00:40:49   bit like new mechanisms in the movie

00:40:51   okay force ghosts can interact with the

00:40:52   real world as interesting and new and

00:40:55   certainly would be useful at certain

00:40:58   circumstances but okay and I also I just

00:41:01   don't like that he did it I don't like

00:41:02   that he baby burn that tree down and

00:41:04   even though I don't care about the tree

00:41:05   or the text like it doesn't seem like

00:41:08   something he should do to teach Luke a

00:41:11   lesson like I don't know it just seemed

00:41:13   out of character I don't mind a bit of

00:41:15   whimsy in my Yoda don't get me wrong but

00:41:18   the actual thing he did saying oh no I

00:41:21   am gonna destroy that tree and burn the

00:41:24   text just so that Luke can have a

00:41:26   learning moment that ruined that Yoda

00:41:29   Center then I was like oh okay

00:41:31   that was weird what I was largely

00:41:33   worried about is what are those porn

00:41:34   nuns gonna think about this

00:41:36   yeah like when there was time in a

00:41:37   thousand generations like presumably it

00:41:39   was those frog nuns who've been

00:41:41   maintaining it for a thousand

00:41:42   generations and like what do they think

00:41:44   about those like ah welp screw them once

00:41:46   again who cares what they think about

00:41:47   this like we're just gonna burn down

00:41:48   their temple like okay we're frogs and I

00:41:52   did have a nice little objectivity

00:41:53   moment they would Luke was showing the

00:41:55   text so ray and he was wearing gloves

00:41:57   and stuff I was like think of my little

00:42:01   moviemaking adventures then was very

00:42:03   objectivity I wouldn't have thought

00:42:04   about that but yes with the gloves even

00:42:07   though that's worse

00:42:10   so the yoader saying I liked their what

00:42:12   you had to look like but it also just

00:42:14   didn't add anything to the film and like

00:42:16   a dist seemed like yeah also one thing

00:42:20   Yoda said I didn't like this is another

00:42:22   leak he called them page turners yeah I

00:42:25   caught that serially I actually kind of

00:42:27   like the joke that Luke hasn't read the

00:42:29   books yeah it's just in character Luke

00:42:31   wouldn't read those books no you're

00:42:33   right that was alright the fact he

00:42:34   hadn't read them was alright but then

00:42:35   when Yoda said page tennis he may as

00:42:37   well have said well they're not exactly

00:42:38   The Da Vinci Code are they ok it's not a

00:42:41   New York Times bestseller is it the

00:42:45   thing that I kept thinking of with that

00:42:46   is there's um I don't mean to bring up

00:42:48   Laurence camp but there's there is a

00:42:50   kind of famous example in The Hobbit

00:42:51   where like someone the things I love

00:42:53   about those books is the languages so it

00:42:55   feels right when he makes like this kind

00:42:58   of continuity error by accident there's

00:43:00   a train that got into the Hobbit because

00:43:02   he describes the dragon at one point in

00:43:04   terms of like a train rushing by I was

00:43:07   like but nowhere else in the book is

00:43:08   there like this modern description of

00:43:10   stuff ok and Yoda saying page turner is

00:43:12   totally one of those things so now I'm

00:43:15   gonna say something here and I'm aware

00:43:17   I'm aware that what I'm doing is setting

00:43:21   up a little bit of a Kafka trap like

00:43:23   we've discussed before where I've said

00:43:25   like no people who think a thing will

00:43:26   think this thing I just wanna get on

00:43:28   record I know that I'm doing this but

00:43:31   there is a thing in is Yoda scene that

00:43:34   fundamentally really bothered me

00:43:36   it's Yoda talking about how failure is

00:43:40   the best teacher right and like failure

00:43:43   is super important hmm and I think this

00:43:48   is there as a kind of pseudo

00:43:50   intellectual skirt that the movie is

00:43:52   wearing for a certain kind of fan

00:43:55   because in this movie which you know if

00:43:59   you're following the traditional

00:44:00   structure of like it was a middle movie

00:44:01   everything is the worst in this movie

00:44:04   almost everything fails and Luke is

00:44:06   talking about how the Jedi have been a

00:44:08   failure like and he's not wrong and the

00:44:11   plans that we're going to talk about

00:44:12   later like they all fail like everything

00:44:14   goes wrong

00:44:15   in this movie and I think that Yoda has

00:44:18   this little speech because it's again

00:44:21   like nudging a certain kind of

00:44:22   fan to say like oh but look that's the

00:44:25   theme of the movies failure rightly this

00:44:28   stuff doesn't make for unappealing

00:44:30   watching just for no reason

00:44:32   the whole point of it is that its

00:44:33   failure like it's a theme do you see

00:44:36   it's a theme for a movie it was just

00:44:39   rubbing me the wrong way because there's

00:44:40   a lot of complaints I have about this

00:44:42   movie in the way it was structured that

00:44:43   I feel like this is acting as a way that

00:44:46   a certain kind of fan can go like oh you

00:44:48   don't get it that's the point of the

00:44:50   movie the point of the movie is that

00:44:52   they failed at these critical junctures

00:44:54   so it felt like Yoda was putting this

00:44:56   there for a certain kind of person to

00:45:00   use as a defense of the movie yeah I

00:45:02   didn't look at it that deeply I just

00:45:03   looked at it as like a corporate cliche

00:45:06   but yeah I freedom to fail and that's

00:45:08   what that was a boy's a big thing at the

00:45:09   BBC when we're being trained to make

00:45:12   films creatively you know must have the

00:45:13   freedom to fail right and by the freedom

00:45:15   to fail we mean we actually want you to

00:45:16   do really well it also struck me as a

00:45:18   little bit of a real-world ism leaking

00:45:20   out because it's it's the same thing in

00:45:21   schools or it's like a you know it's a

00:45:23   real mind virus in Silicon Valley like

00:45:25   oh you got to fail fast failing is just

00:45:27   the best and it's like okay you know is

00:45:29   better than failing is succeeding all

00:45:31   right succeeding is better than failing

00:45:32   yeah but you know whatever

00:45:33   let's leave Luke Skywalker island plays

00:45:36   thank God right we're gonna fly away

00:45:38   like Rey after getting a 20 minute

00:45:41   lesson on what the force is that's also

00:45:44   a joke and it's pointless there's like a

00:45:45   bunch of pointless stuff that happens

00:45:47   but we're gonna skip it yeah I want to

00:45:48   talk about what is now the main plot of

00:45:52   this movie from which everything else is

00:45:54   orbiting mmm all right the main

00:45:56   structure of this movie is the

00:45:59   resistance is in their Corvette and

00:46:01   they're several smaller ships and they

00:46:05   are being chased by the first order yeah

00:46:08   and we have our opening battle which has

00:46:11   some cool stuff

00:46:12   I like the bombers like there's a bunch

00:46:13   of interesting stuff in there those

00:46:14   bombers that gray house slaw with a and

00:46:16   a galaxy where everything moves so quick

00:46:19   guys things are lumbering like tractors

00:46:20   through space they were really slow but

00:46:24   I didn't mind them I thought they were

00:46:25   leaning really hard into like the naval

00:46:28   warfare thing even turning up the dial

00:46:30   with the language like oh we have a

00:46:32   dreadnought like they were really going

00:46:34   for the naval stuff

00:46:35   is there any ship or object in the Star

00:46:38   Wars universe that doesn't have one

00:46:39   glaring weakness that is usually a big

00:46:41   hole that you have to drop something

00:46:43   until you blow it up I really need to

00:46:44   get working on that yeah they do but

00:46:46   like if I'm gonna guess what fans would

00:46:48   be annoyed at is those bombers and they

00:46:50   were the slowest things in the world but

00:46:51   I didn't mind it I like the visuals of

00:46:53   it I like that they were I liked the

00:46:54   bombs yeah all the bombs falling down

00:46:56   looked cool but was making them follow

00:46:57   though if there's no gravity anyway I

00:47:00   assume they were being pushed out it was

00:47:02   a colloquialism that they're saying like

00:47:04   drop the bombs

00:47:04   I didn't take that as a literal the

00:47:06   bombs are dropping because of gravity

00:47:08   they did seem to fold are they there was

00:47:10   a sort of folding 'no stu them as our

00:47:11   folding into a hole but anyway yeah but

00:47:14   I looked go with your people will let us

00:47:16   know that I'm sure there's some Star

00:47:18   Wars Wikipedia article on exactly the

00:47:19   mechanism that those bombs use but the

00:47:21   resistance is trying to escape and they

00:47:23   want to use the usual Star Wars trick

00:47:25   which is we're gonna Lightspeed out of

00:47:27   here and they won't be able to follow us

00:47:30   once we jump to Lightspeed because they

00:47:31   don't know where we went I can't do that

00:47:32   jump to Lightspeed and then minutes

00:47:36   later the first-order reappears and it

00:47:39   is quickly surmised sure how but its

00:47:42   demise it like oh the first order must

00:47:44   have tracked them through Lightspeed and

00:47:47   this is where things start going a

00:47:50   little wonky for me with the fundamental

00:47:52   structure of the movie because first of

00:47:55   all it's like okay we are now

00:47:56   immediately establishing the idea that

00:47:58   you can't track people through

00:47:59   Lightspeed which I felt a bit like okay

00:48:02   I don't remember that it seems like that

00:48:05   would cause some problems in earlier

00:48:06   movies if that wasn't possible but okay

00:48:09   sure I'm happy to go along with this

00:48:11   idea didn't I track the Millennium

00:48:13   Falcon well maybe that is waited till I

00:48:15   got to the other end and then found the

00:48:17   bacon whereas here the problem was they

00:48:18   were following the bacon like in real

00:48:19   time yeah I like I was wondering about

00:48:22   that I'd like to bumpa felt like he

00:48:23   jumps into light speed after the really

00:48:25   fun but like I don't remember exactly

00:48:26   but whatever it's like okay alright in

00:48:28   this universe you're establishing this

00:48:29   is a thing right yeah but then minutes

00:48:33   later they point out that that Leia has

00:48:35   a magic ring that's ray can use to find

00:48:38   her anywhere and it's like oh okay so

00:48:41   you can't track people through

00:48:42   Lightspeed but you can have homing

00:48:44   beacons that work across the entire

00:48:46   galaxy I'm not as aunty this is as you

00:48:48   gray I think

00:48:49   I understand what's going on here okay I

00:48:51   genuinely want you to explain cuz I felt

00:48:53   confused about this distinction of what

00:48:56   is occurring and I was also I want to

00:48:58   know did I miss something was there

00:48:59   something on the capital ship that they

00:49:01   were using to track them I feel like I

00:49:03   missed something that I think there was

00:49:04   something there we were being set up for

00:49:05   that never happened like there was gonna

00:49:06   be a mole or something yeah that's what

00:49:08   I kept waiting for it's like oh there's

00:49:09   a piece of equipment I actually thought

00:49:10   I was going to have something to do with

00:49:12   Finn but like because he was former

00:49:14   Empire they were using him somehow like

00:49:16   I kept waiting for a shoe to drop here

00:49:18   that never dropped yeah the thing with a

00:49:20   large Spade I think that you can track

00:49:25   homing beacons and things like that when

00:49:27   someone is at a place across the

00:49:29   universe right there's a you know you

00:49:31   can put a bug on someone and you can

00:49:33   find out where they are at any given

00:49:35   point but I think that doesn't happen

00:49:37   while you're traveling through

00:49:39   hyperspace and the thing that I think

00:49:41   was made clear in this film than all the

00:49:44   other films is the traveling through

00:49:46   hyperspace is not an instantaneous thing

00:49:48   it's like a voyage because you know how

00:49:51   we see all those scenes where they're

00:49:52   sitting at the window and yeah a space

00:49:54   is going so I think the new innovation

00:49:56   here is the ability to track vehicles

00:49:59   while they're going through these you

00:50:01   know wishy-washy like tunnels and I

00:50:03   think that's what didn't exist before

00:50:05   so when Han Solo and the money in Falcon

00:50:08   get away at the end of Star Wars and

00:50:09   grand moff tarkin says we're taking a

00:50:11   terrible risk here by letting him get

00:50:13   away through hyperspace because he's got

00:50:15   the homing beacon so they know when he

00:50:16   pops out the other end you will get the

00:50:19   homing beacon back hmm this new

00:50:20   innovation is a homing beacon that works

00:50:23   while you're going through the

00:50:24   wishy-washy tunnel hmm okay so this

00:50:27   allows them to just appear sooner yeah

00:50:29   you don't have to wait for meeeeee to

00:50:30   pop out the other end and then do your

00:50:31   five or six hour journey to get there

00:50:33   okay you can be right on there but

00:50:35   straight away okay that makes sense that

00:50:36   makes sense that makes me feel better

00:50:38   but it doesn't get to find fundamental

00:50:39   problem which is okay so they they get

00:50:42   out here and now the whole background of

00:50:46   the movie is that there is this slow

00:50:48   motion chase that is occurring right

00:50:51   yeah that the resistance is flying ahead

00:50:54   of snoke's

00:50:56   ship and the first order and they're

00:50:59   able to fly far enough out of range that

00:51:02   guns can't hurt them but not far enough

00:51:05   to actually get away and this is the

00:51:09   moment where the Star Wars universe

00:51:10   introduces the concept of fuel that the

00:51:13   ship only has a certain amount of fuel

00:51:16   that it can use that they can only make

00:51:19   one more Lightspeed jump and even

00:51:23   traveling at sublight speed they only

00:51:24   have a certain amount of time that they

00:51:27   can go hmm and I found it kind of crazy

00:51:31   making this concept of fuel and I

00:51:34   haven't looked at anything online but I

00:51:35   did just ask some people about like does

00:51:37   the original trilogy ever reference fuel

00:51:40   and the answer is like it's implied but

00:51:43   nobody ever talks about it is one of

00:51:46   those things where I realize like it's

00:51:47   never occurred to me the concept of fuel

00:51:49   with the ships like it's never crossed

00:51:51   my mind but now this is like a

00:51:53   fundamentally important mechanism okay I

00:51:55   think you're splitting hairs there I

00:51:56   think it's pretty obvious that these

00:51:59   vehicles are gonna need fueling well

00:52:01   like at one point or another because

00:52:03   like I'm simply saying it never really

00:52:05   crossed my mind

00:52:06   but now like here is a mechanism around

00:52:08   which the movie revolves and it is a

00:52:10   ticking time bomb right we have 18 hours

00:52:13   before the ship runs out of fuel it's

00:52:14   like okay I guess so but then also this

00:52:17   Chase is just happening and it's like

00:52:19   how does this chase work the ship is

00:52:21   always able to just stay out of range

00:52:24   but never actually get very far and they

00:52:27   can't catch up and then okay if I even

00:52:32   give you that scenario which is a little

00:52:34   bit hard to imagine like even if you're

00:52:36   imagining like cars doing this in the

00:52:39   real world it's a little bit hard to

00:52:40   understand like how does this work

00:52:42   exactly you're traveling at exactly the

00:52:44   same speed but one of the cars is a

00:52:47   hundred thousand times the size of the

00:52:49   other car like this quite a coincidence

00:52:50   and this is without even getting into

00:52:53   all like nerdery that nobody cares about

00:52:55   about acceleration if in space like I'll

00:52:57   leave all of that to the side yeah

00:53:00   here's my background problem how big is

00:53:04   the first order in this movie because

00:53:10   this whole scenario just doesn't hold up

00:53:13   it's implied and it becomes the case

00:53:16   that's like the entire resistance is

00:53:18   being chased the ships that are here is

00:53:20   everyone that's left it's like okay got

00:53:23   it

00:53:24   but the first order do they not have any

00:53:28   other ship that can warp in a head of

00:53:31   the resistance Corvettes like they know

00:53:33   where it is like this weird chase

00:53:37   implies that these are all of the first

00:53:40   order ships that exist that they can't

00:53:43   have anybody come in at light speed

00:53:45   ahead of the resistance I get just the

00:53:50   chase is dumb and makes no sense on any

00:53:54   level but it's the structure of the

00:53:56   whole movie it sort of drove me crazy

00:53:58   because it kept pushing back to this

00:54:01   thing that we mentioned with the force

00:54:02   awakens of like like I can't believe

00:54:04   that I'm here asking for more politics

00:54:07   in my Star Wars movies but I really

00:54:09   think it's like a background rot of

00:54:11   these movies like where did the first

00:54:13   order come from how big are they how

00:54:15   powerful are they like in the last movie

00:54:18   they built a gun the size of a planet

00:54:21   but in this movie they don't have one

00:54:23   ship to spare to warp in ahead of the

00:54:26   guys you're chasing it just drives me

00:54:29   crazy like this inability to understand

00:54:31   the scale of the enemy in the movie I

00:54:33   think it's it's really really bad yeah

00:54:35   and that assault at the very end of the

00:54:37   film tow that they launched on the

00:54:38   bunker also seems quite small-scale

00:54:40   doesn't in this game of things for how

00:54:43   important it is but because here's the

00:54:44   thing okay chasing down the resistance

00:54:47   seems so important that the supreme

00:54:51   leader of the first order in his capital

00:54:54   ship is there to personally oversee this

00:54:56   event like it seems incredibly important

00:55:00   but you can't fly a couple more ships in

00:55:03   to resolve this within an hour what that

00:55:06   makes it feel like is this is it like

00:55:10   this is the whole battle all of the

00:55:12   first order ships are here and all of

00:55:14   the resistances here which then I can't

00:55:17   come up with a metaphor for it but I

00:55:18   just I keep coming back to this idea

00:55:20   that it

00:55:21   it feels like this is a fight between

00:55:23   two school gangs it made the whole thing

00:55:26   seem really small the small size of the

00:55:29   rebellion I think shocked me at times is

00:55:31   that is that all they've got I have to

00:55:33   say I always assumed the first order is

00:55:35   bigger much much bigger and there were

00:55:39   so many other problems I had with the

00:55:41   scenario I didn't even think about what

00:55:43   you're thinking about I never even

00:55:44   thought about I kind of just accepted

00:55:46   the premise yeah I just think that it's

00:55:48   like you can't have it both ways you

00:55:50   can't have it that this is so important

00:55:52   that the top guy is here but it's not so

00:55:55   important that we're not gonna pull

00:55:57   personnel from anywhere else in the

00:55:59   entire galaxy to help out right it's

00:56:01   like these two things can't be true and

00:56:03   yet I agree that story wise the first

00:56:06   order has to be enormous there's some

00:56:08   line in the beginning of the movie where

00:56:10   someone says something like oh the first

00:56:11   order is weeks away from capturing all

00:56:13   the major star systems right which

00:56:14   sounds like a metric ton of ships but

00:56:18   then this whole fight is taking place on

00:56:20   such a small scale that it just it makes

00:56:23   things feel small and I think it's like

00:56:26   it's a problem for the whole movie this

00:56:28   the structure but it sounds like you had

00:56:30   some kind of different problem with it

00:56:31   that distracted you from this the

00:56:33   problem that was distracting me from

00:56:35   that problem okay right god it was

00:56:37   obviously while this scenario is

00:56:39   unfolding this low speed chase right we

00:56:43   have some of the characters decide they

00:56:44   think they can solve the problem by

00:56:46   enlisting some code breaker and breaking

00:56:49   onto the other ship but to get him

00:56:51   they've got to go to like some other

00:56:53   place in the galaxy right and they just

00:56:56   like they leave they get on a ship and

00:56:57   leave and go and have another adventure

00:56:59   and come back so it's like this

00:57:00   low-speed chase where everyone's

00:57:02   supposed to be trapped but it was like

00:57:04   you can just come and go as you please

00:57:05   like so when Poe and Rose decide to go

00:57:10   off and have this other adventure and

00:57:11   they jump in a ship and say alright

00:57:13   we'll catch you guys later people can

00:57:17   just complete what that's crazy yeah

00:57:20   it's one of those things in a movie

00:57:22   where I think they're just hoping you

00:57:23   don't notice or don't think about it

00:57:25   they don't give you a little bit of

00:57:27   fluff to make it seem like you get away

00:57:28   with it but no one's buying that they do

00:57:30   give you some fluff but here's the thing

00:57:32   they pulled that same trick twice

00:57:34   because jumping forward later on in the

00:57:36   movie the whole plan is we're gonna

00:57:37   eject 30 transport ships that they're

00:57:40   just not gonna see it's so yeah and

00:57:42   you'd think if there was some other

00:57:44   planet nearby where this low-speed chase

00:57:46   was happening yeah the first order would

00:57:48   be all over that I'd be like look this

00:57:50   Chase is gonna take us near a big planet

00:57:51   saying so maybe that's gonna come into

00:57:53   play

00:57:53   it wouldn't be some shock that they try

00:57:55   and use the planet somehow yeah the

00:57:57   thing that I was also wondering is like

00:57:58   presumably the Corvette is headed

00:58:00   straight for the planet right like if

00:58:03   they're running out of fuel and they

00:58:06   only just barely get there I'm imagining

00:58:07   they were headed pretty straight for it

00:58:09   and they have this throwaway line about

00:58:11   like oh we're headed towards this

00:58:12   uncharted planet but again I'm also

00:58:14   feeling like but yeah it's a planet

00:58:16   you're towing in a first order right

00:58:19   behind you like the first order would be

00:58:22   thinking look the only play these guys

00:58:24   have got yeah is to get onto that planet

00:58:26   because they're about to run out of fuel

00:58:28   and get the hell blasted out of them so

00:58:29   whatever we do make sure we keep the

00:58:31   radars to make sure they don't send any

00:58:33   ships to that planet yeah and yeah it's

00:58:35   this like it's this great spooky move

00:58:37   that no one yeah yeah it's like the side

00:58:39   adventure is trying to set you up for

00:58:40   this idea they're like oh we can leave

00:58:42   and come back and they won't see like

00:58:44   really okay okay that's a hell of a

00:58:47   claim the Star Wars legends films gray

00:58:50   did they have these problems like we

00:58:54   were little kids watching them we're

00:58:55   parents laughing at us because of all

00:58:56   these ridiculous plot holes well again

00:58:58   every watch them as an adult and one of

00:59:00   the things that I have to give them real

00:59:01   credit for is they have sensible

00:59:04   explanations for a bunch of stuff so one

00:59:06   of the things here is like okay so in

00:59:07   this movie at the very end the

00:59:09   Millennium Falcon takes out what seems

00:59:11   to be like 20 Typhoid errs and there's

00:59:13   like okay there's no problem at all ray

00:59:15   and Chewie are able to take down all

00:59:17   these time fighters and rise pretty

00:59:18   skilled and got the fullest and stuff

00:59:20   yeah I know it's like okay I get I'm

00:59:21   gonna give them all that right I'm gonna

00:59:22   give them all those advantages and

00:59:24   that's fantastic but like in the

00:59:25   original movie yeah they took down a

00:59:27   bunch of Thai fighters but it was part

00:59:29   of the plot that the Empire was letting

00:59:31   them get away and I feel like somehow

00:59:34   that first like Oh our clunky Millenium

00:59:36   Falcon was able to get away in a

00:59:39   situation where the Empire was letting

00:59:41   them get away has morphed into the

00:59:45   Millennium Falcon is the most nimble

00:59:46   ship in the universe

00:59:47   they take down everything this was my

00:59:50   force awakens criticism all over again

00:59:52   the special powers they've been imbued

00:59:53   on the Millennium Falcon are very

00:59:55   frustrating yeah it's crazy and I like I

00:59:57   think I was less sensitive to that last

00:59:59   time but this time

00:59:59   time but this time

01:00:00   I felt like oh come on because I had

01:00:02   lost track of all of the TIE fighters I

01:00:04   was like wait a minute what happened to

01:00:05   all those Tie Fighters and then my wife

01:00:06   she's like oh the Millennium Falcon just

01:00:08   just wiped them on that like uh okay

01:00:09   right got it

01:00:10   great but I think that like that's a key

01:00:13   thing that there were more reasonable

01:00:16   explanations stuff that's a dumb plot

01:00:19   idea that like oh you drop a bomb in a

01:00:21   particular hole in the whole thing blows

01:00:22   up is like okay fine whatever but at

01:00:24   least it's a mechanism for why can a

01:00:26   tiny number of ships defeat a larger

01:00:30   number of ships yeah right whereas in in

01:00:32   this movie repeatedly we have this idea

01:00:35   that like the ridiculously outclassed

01:00:37   resistance is able to just win because

01:00:39   they're better like in the end fighting

01:00:41   scene it was really the case was like

01:00:43   they call out by number like the

01:00:45   resistance has 13 ships and we are here

01:00:49   on the planet with like all of this

01:00:51   material like and we're still gonna get

01:00:52   our asses handed to us it's frustrating

01:00:55   and I think it's just nonsensical

01:00:56   because you the movie wants certain

01:00:58   things to happen well like it or not PO

01:01:01   and Rose go to Vegas the you know Monica

01:01:05   Monica is that's where they go I swear

01:01:07   to God I was looking at that I was like

01:01:09   did they actually film it in Monaco I

01:01:11   was waiting for a gigantic sign that

01:01:12   said welcome to Monaco in the background

01:01:14   you know like some CGI artists forgot to

01:01:16   erase Brady I hate this part of the

01:01:18   movie I hate this part of the movie so

01:01:20   much weighing levels yeah I'm with you

01:01:22   it's really bad

01:01:24   except gray I really loved the scene

01:01:26   where they put the coins in bb-8 because

01:01:28   they think he's a slot machine I thought

01:01:30   that was really clever it was really

01:01:31   clever it was terrible I know what I

01:01:34   loved about that the reason I was gonna

01:01:37   say is kind of clever is I didn't notice

01:01:39   on the first watching

01:01:40   but on the second watching I like that

01:01:42   the fully artist bothered to make coin

01:01:45   rolling around sounds whenever bb-8

01:01:48   moved about like oh I didn't I didn't I

01:01:50   would never have noticed it on the first

01:01:51   watching but on the second watching I

01:01:53   was like I like this way better because

01:01:55   somebody cared to have it like a bag

01:01:56   full of money that he was moving around

01:01:58   in the Foley Department I think that is

01:02:01   where this film strayed too far into

01:02:04   prequel territory that whole thing this

01:02:06   is also where I gotta say like the real

01:02:09   world coming into the movie is just it's

01:02:11   like it's too much for me yeah why would

01:02:12   gambling in that guy

01:02:13   it'd be so similar to air gambling

01:02:15   before we get there okay thing I liked

01:02:17   it's like okay this I enjoyed as a turn

01:02:19   for two seconds before you you leaned

01:02:22   into a too much movie I liked the idea

01:02:24   they're gonna go to a hive of scum and

01:02:26   villainy right and engineer fangirl is

01:02:30   there and she says oh we're you know

01:02:31   these are the worst people in the world

01:02:33   and I liked for two seconds that it's a

01:02:37   bunch of rich people in a casino right I

01:02:39   thought that is a nice turn on the

01:02:42   expectation that's a nice little genre

01:02:44   flip here I'd like the idea it wasn't

01:02:46   really explored very far I also liked

01:02:48   the idea of there being Star Wars arms

01:02:50   dealers it was selling eighty eighty s

01:02:52   and x-wing fighters and we're gonna have

01:02:54   to finally disagree on that but so that

01:02:58   thing about like okay they're the worst

01:02:59   people in the world it's a bunch of rich

01:03:01   people in Monaco it's like okay I can

01:03:03   get along with it I think that's a fun

01:03:04   idea but it's a fun idea for two seconds

01:03:06   and then as we like we lean into it with

01:03:09   all of these other elements it again

01:03:11   it's the real world like leading into

01:03:14   the Star Wars world and like I felt like

01:03:17   I lost my mind at the arms dealer part

01:03:20   mmm

01:03:21   it felt like the most unstart thing ever

01:03:25   I'm gonna sorry Julie I'm gonna retract

01:03:27   what I said now I think about it more

01:03:28   because although I do have always had

01:03:30   questions about where x-wing fighters

01:03:32   come from right where Dex wings come

01:03:33   from because the rebellion of got so

01:03:34   many of them and the rebellion it's not

01:03:36   like an army

01:03:37   it was very our galaxy into that galaxy

01:03:40   and it was also picking something that's

01:03:41   very zeitgeist isn't it it felt like

01:03:43   we're having a little like Occupy Wall

01:03:45   Street moment or something or it was

01:03:47   like I'm having a character tell me that

01:03:49   the only way you can get this rich in

01:03:51   the Star Wars universe is by selling

01:03:53   arms to the first order as I okay well

01:03:57   yeah and don't be cruel to animals yeah

01:03:58   well we'll get there it's like that's

01:04:01   interesting that you're telling me that

01:04:02   in in this entire like galaxy spanning

01:04:06   universe there's no software

01:04:09   billionaires like like who's writing the

01:04:11   user interfaces for these machines you

01:04:12   know really this is the only way you can

01:04:15   get this wealthy if it's the only way

01:04:17   you can get this wealthy like how is the

01:04:19   first order paying for all of this like

01:04:20   surely there's wealthier guys in the

01:04:22   first order like buying the guns well

01:04:24   I've got text I've got text but like

01:04:27   surely there's

01:04:27   who invented Facebook in this galaxy he

01:04:30   must be rich yeah I know that so there's

01:04:32   a thing about it which I just I really

01:04:36   hate this character introduces like all

01:04:38   of these rich people are bad and all of

01:04:41   us terrorists in the resistance are

01:04:43   great all right we have not one but two

01:04:46   suicide bombers in the resistance in

01:04:48   this movie they're fantastic people but

01:04:50   like these people in this casino they're

01:04:52   all bad and they're selling guns to the

01:04:53   first order

01:04:54   and when they paper in the casino here

01:04:55   just like they're on a stag day yeah but

01:04:57   that's what I was wondering it's like

01:04:58   all of them are arms dealers like that's

01:05:00   a lot of arms dealers that little

01:05:02   leprechaun he's an arms dealer the

01:05:05   bazaar

01:05:05   opera singer who who yells when the

01:05:08   horses come running through the casino

01:05:09   with she an arms dealer are all the

01:05:12   people working in this casino arms

01:05:13   dealers you know it's it's crazy

01:05:16   and also fair if you have this like

01:05:18   special casino where only arms dealers

01:05:21   can go and everyone is that rich so I

01:05:23   accept the premise that they're all arms

01:05:24   dealers right wouldn't security be a bit

01:05:26   higher than having these people park

01:05:28   their shuttle on a bender yeah but this

01:05:30   is this is it like that doesn't make any

01:05:32   sense right but but here we are like

01:05:34   we're with the 1% of the 1% with the

01:05:36   arms dealers but you can just walk in it

01:05:39   doesn't make any sense and I'm really

01:05:41   glad that they touched on it later

01:05:42   because I swear to god I was sitting in

01:05:44   this seat like fuming at this point also

01:05:48   because this is where I was like rose I

01:05:51   hate you and I want you to die so badly

01:05:53   but when she's talking about the arms

01:05:55   dealers like it was all I could do to

01:05:56   not scream at the film like where do you

01:05:59   get those x-wings from like where do you

01:06:00   think you're buying these things from

01:06:02   and I'm like I'm so glad that the movie

01:06:04   just touched on it briefly for a second

01:06:06   yeah it's like why are your guns better

01:06:09   than their guns like are your guns made

01:06:10   with flowers and lights and love and oh

01:06:14   the first order they're just bad this

01:06:16   sort of going back to rogue one I feel

01:06:19   like this movie had a real problem in

01:06:21   the way that one did have like you need

01:06:23   to give me more reasons to like the

01:06:27   resistance and to dislike the first

01:06:30   order did rise explain why she was say

01:06:32   auntie these people - it's like she felt

01:06:35   it really struggling it's like she was

01:06:36   educating PO about why this is bad yeah

01:06:39   like was Rose like a slave to them at

01:06:41   some

01:06:41   why did I miss that was she more abused

01:06:43   in her background than the others I

01:06:45   think she says briefly is that her

01:06:46   planet was strip mined by the first

01:06:49   order to then buy the guns from the arms

01:06:53   dealers like again it's like okay some

01:06:55   kind of weird thing and then the arms

01:06:57   dealers were testing out their weapons

01:06:59   on her planet and then like she quote

01:07:01   lost everything she may have said it but

01:07:02   I certainly didn't feel it yeah and I

01:07:04   was like great I don't care about you at

01:07:06   all but it's just there was something

01:07:07   about it that's just childish

01:07:10   in this way I'm like oh all these people

01:07:12   in the casino are terrible people and

01:07:14   all of the resistance fighters are great

01:07:16   and just combined with the things like a

01:07:19   little moment in a movie which I think

01:07:21   it they all add up was like I should

01:07:24   like the resistance but I just don't and

01:07:26   one of the reasons I don't like the

01:07:28   resistance is when we first meet Rose

01:07:30   what is she doing she's stunning and

01:07:34   throwing in the brig deserters from the

01:07:37   resistance who are trying to escape what

01:07:39   they view as a pointless mission where

01:07:41   they're all going to die and it's like

01:07:43   shouldn't story-wise the resistance be

01:07:47   the force that lets you go if you want

01:07:50   to leave isn't that a way to make them

01:07:52   sympathetic instead of like oh you're

01:07:54   stun gunning all day long people who

01:07:56   were trying to desert still need some

01:07:58   military precision in these crisis

01:08:00   situations great yeah don't get me wrong

01:08:01   in real life if I was running a

01:08:04   resistance

01:08:04   I'd have stun Gunners standing at every

01:08:06   escape pod all right like that's what I

01:08:08   would really do but I'm just talking

01:08:10   about like story wise why do you have to

01:08:13   explicitly call this out like why can't

01:08:15   you have her be doing almost anything

01:08:17   else I have no real reason to like the

01:08:20   resistance and then they're filled with

01:08:21   dumb characters who do stupid things

01:08:24   which makes them even more unlikable

01:08:27   I've just realized by the way for

01:08:28   everyone listening it isn't PO that goes

01:08:30   off with roses oh yes yes and it's been

01:08:32   sorry for all those times I've said I'm

01:08:33   frustrated you my name is a bit mixed up

01:08:36   but anyway I'm sure you've got that any

01:08:37   feedback on that at all that will have

01:08:38   written the comments now where I

01:08:39   corrected it so great just a quick

01:08:41   intermission here before you continue

01:08:43   with your Monaco tirade which I'm

01:08:46   looking forward to all of these things

01:08:48   you think like these plot holes and

01:08:49   these things that drive you crazy are

01:08:51   you thinking them during the film or

01:08:53   later because this

01:08:55   pretty complicated stuff you're thinking

01:08:56   about and the film goes at a reasonable

01:08:58   pace I don't think I have time to think

01:09:00   of all these plot holes until afterwards

01:09:02   I certainly think about them afterwards

01:09:03   do you think about them afterwards

01:09:05   ordering a lot of this stuff I was

01:09:07   thinking during but I think that's

01:09:09   because this movie felt like a slower

01:09:11   movie like during rogue one I remember a

01:09:13   feeling of just being more confused or

01:09:16   like not following parts but this movie

01:09:19   there was a bunch of stuff that was

01:09:20   bothering me during it so like the thing

01:09:22   about the fuel and the relative speed of

01:09:24   the ship sighs like this is crazy and it

01:09:26   makes no sense it's the problem again of

01:09:28   like breaking a suspension of disbelief

01:09:29   that then causes me to be sitting there

01:09:32   and thinking about a thing and that that

01:09:33   is the whole magic of a good movie is a

01:09:36   good movie doesn't do that it doesn't

01:09:38   break you out and get you thinking about

01:09:40   the stuff but landing in a place which

01:09:43   is obviously Monaco and then talking

01:09:45   about arms dealers it's like oh okay I

01:09:48   thought I was going to enjoy a movie but

01:09:50   now I'm getting like a political lesson

01:09:52   from the writers of this script and

01:09:55   that's what like kicks me out of it and

01:09:57   then starts a little loop in my head

01:09:58   where I'm thinking about the movie as

01:09:59   I'm watching the movie so I'm in the

01:10:02   Vegas or Monaco what if you want to call

01:10:04   a thing I didn't like at all and then

01:10:06   this person they go to get the help from

01:10:08   like we save hit that person briefly and

01:10:11   then they obviously don't get to get

01:10:13   that person and then there's this other

01:10:15   person and then there's the horse-racing

01:10:17   saying yeah well just like this was

01:10:19   shark jumping territory for me there's

01:10:21   two things here and I feel like after

01:10:23   this I have a whole bunch of just minor

01:10:24   points about the movie but it's like the

01:10:26   casino thing it's where the movie broke

01:10:28   for me because I was thinking this is so

01:10:31   Monaco I can't believe it and then they

01:10:33   introduced a race track and that's like

01:10:35   it's too much right it's too much hmm

01:10:38   it's like they flew to a casino city

01:10:40   that was called Las Vegas and there's a

01:10:42   gigantic pyramid in the middle of the

01:10:44   city it's like it's too much but really

01:10:47   home with that kind of like lost me and

01:10:48   was very very space ballsy was so they

01:10:52   they meet in prison the guy who's gonna

01:10:54   break codes for them you know it's just

01:10:56   like a fantastic miracle of luck they

01:10:59   bump into this guy and they they staged

01:11:01   like an escape and off camera

01:11:05   in an unspecified manner bb-8 has

01:11:09   disabled handcuffed and duct-taped over

01:11:13   their mouth three guards

01:11:15   yeah and the movie does it is like a

01:11:19   little joke where Benicio del Toro was

01:11:21   like oh did you do that and then they

01:11:23   show another guard come around and bb-8

01:11:25   uses all of those coins so cleverly put

01:11:27   in his chest and like shoots the guy

01:11:29   down with a bunch of coins as if you're

01:11:32   not insulted enough by the fact he's

01:11:34   tired these people out there gonna spit

01:11:35   in your face and have him use these

01:11:36   coins as yeah and then he blows on the

01:11:39   the nozzle of his gun like he's Clint

01:11:41   Eastwood and it's like what is he

01:11:43   blowing on that to me was the exact

01:11:45   moment where I'm like I'm done movie

01:11:46   because it's so absurd and if bb-8 can

01:11:50   do this well he seems really useful like

01:11:54   why don't you have a whole bunch of

01:11:55   these bb-8 droids yeah like a flying at

01:11:57   a date oh yeah yeah it's like if this is

01:11:59   a thing that exists in this universe

01:12:00   then it breaks the universe and there's

01:12:04   stuff later on which is also like you

01:12:05   universe breaking it's a bit like how

01:12:07   good the droids are like you said like

01:12:09   r2d2 flies or in rogue one the you know

01:12:12   the robot in Rogue rogue one is like so

01:12:14   good like why don't you just have these

01:12:16   guys all the time why do you mess around

01:12:17   with humans that just really broke it

01:12:19   for me and then you know they escaped

01:12:22   and they go see the horses in the

01:12:24   stables like the gigantic horse

01:12:26   creatures and this is where I'm like I'm

01:12:28   losing my mind right because as I hate

01:12:32   you so much Rose wants to free all of

01:12:37   the horses but they leave the slave

01:12:39   children behind it's like oh go like run

01:12:44   free horses slave children you stay here

01:12:47   I'm sure everything will be fine for you

01:12:50   well they're using the horses to to get

01:12:52   away on like there's utility to the

01:12:53   horses to them and they're using the big

01:12:55   group of horses as like you know

01:12:57   distraction and they just dropped on us

01:12:58   but I understand what is occurring here

01:13:01   but there's like oh they show that the

01:13:02   horses are abused of course because they

01:13:04   have to be right just because you know

01:13:06   it couldn't just be a horse race and

01:13:07   arms dealers don't care about abused

01:13:10   animals because they're monsters

01:13:12   right I mean it's like okay whatever but

01:13:14   these these horses all escaped you just

01:13:16   leave the slave children behind and they

01:13:19   do with this this romp through the city

01:13:21   which i think is hilarious whereas like

01:13:22   the horses are

01:13:23   to jump on every single car like they're

01:13:25   jumping from car to car just to smash

01:13:26   them all up because it's real fun I

01:13:27   guess and they sort of escaped into the

01:13:30   woods on these horses their whole plan

01:13:32   has like totally failed from their

01:13:34   perspective they lost the key breaker

01:13:36   guy they're not necessarily gonna get

01:13:38   off of this island like they don't know

01:13:40   what's going to happen and then Finn and

01:13:42   Rose have a little conversation about

01:13:43   how oh it was really all worth it just

01:13:45   to make these dirty arms dealers feel

01:13:47   the pain a little bit it's like what do

01:13:49   you what do you mean like you smashed up

01:13:51   a couple of their cars if there is rich

01:13:53   as you're saying they are like they

01:13:55   could make cars rain down from the sky

01:13:57   all day with their money like you

01:13:58   haven't done anything to harm them in

01:14:00   the slightest it's like you know you're

01:14:02   like an idiot protester who's gonna I'm

01:14:05   gonna boycott Walmart I'm not gonna buy

01:14:07   any of their goods it's like yeah great

01:14:08   congratulations you've done so much here

01:14:10   maybe those space horses are like really

01:14:13   valuable so anyway they're like oh it's

01:14:16   great we made the rich guys hurt then we

01:14:18   let these horses get away you know and

01:14:20   Finn says oh it was really worth it to

01:14:21   make those guys hurt and then Rose takes

01:14:23   the saddle off one of the horses and as

01:14:25   like go run free horse she goes now it

01:14:28   was really worth it it's like okay hold

01:14:31   on a second Rose let's review the

01:14:33   situation the entire resistance is going

01:14:36   to die because your mission has failed

01:14:38   but you have that let some horses run

01:14:42   free for perhaps a couple of hours

01:14:45   before they get rounded up again yeah

01:14:48   it's like I hate you so much as a

01:14:51   character and we haven't even gotten to

01:14:53   the thing that she does that I hate the

01:14:54   most but this whole casino thing I was

01:14:56   like I cannot deal with this side quest

01:14:58   the side quest is just ridiculous it was

01:15:02   a rubbish side quest oh wow radium okay

01:15:06   that's as angry as I'm gonna be except

01:15:08   for the other thing but I'm good okay I

01:15:09   feel era I feel like I got that out of

01:15:11   me while we're speaking about robots and

01:15:15   in BBA

01:15:16   Android sorry Ben baby yeah not robots

01:15:18   Brady no there was an earlier saying

01:15:20   that I kind of wanted to see what you

01:15:22   thought about that we've kind of skipped

01:15:23   over and this was when luke skywalker's

01:15:26   says i'm not going to get involved i'm

01:15:27   not gonna help and then r2 guilts him by

01:15:31   showing the old video of Princess Leia

01:15:34   that was very

01:15:37   a very human thing that r2 did wasn't it

01:15:39   like it was very subtle and strategic

01:15:42   and playing on human emotions and like

01:15:46   what did you think of that play from r2

01:15:48   that it came from r2 very crucial thing

01:15:51   you know that was the turning point okay

01:15:53   yeah I'm gonna help I am gonna help now

01:15:55   because I remember what it's all about

01:15:57   and it came from the Droid well I mean

01:15:59   this brings up the deep problem of droid

01:16:01   slavery in the Star Wars universe I was

01:16:05   trying to go there again but it is like

01:16:07   it is totally a thing like those the

01:16:08   droids as presented in Star Wars are

01:16:10   just totally conscious creatures with a

01:16:14   range of emotions and feelings yeah so

01:16:17   to have a droid in the Star Wars

01:16:18   universe to a very human thing is

01:16:20   totally unsurprising in a way that in

01:16:22   other genres it might feel like oh

01:16:24   you're just getting the robot to do what

01:16:26   the robot needs to do in this scene yeah

01:16:28   I did like it but then again the the

01:16:32   like the little comment from Luke about

01:16:34   being oh that's a really cheap move I

01:16:36   felt again like okay what the script is

01:16:38   getting meta again like we're

01:16:39   referencing the movie itself so that

01:16:42   you're pulling me out of this yeah you

01:16:43   didn't have to dismiss it he could have

01:16:45   just looked and you know he could have

01:16:47   just looked really sad and it would have

01:16:48   been 10 times more powerful yeah because

01:16:51   in some ways that was the most important

01:16:52   moment in the film

01:16:53   yeah and they dismissed her like almost

01:16:55   like he said all that craps not gonna

01:16:56   work on me you stupid droid before he

01:16:58   says anything I also thought that if the

01:17:00   directors had just let him keep his

01:17:01   mouth shut I don't know if it was

01:17:03   intentional or not but I feel like it's

01:17:05   also a scene that has the potential to

01:17:08   really have a little poignant moment

01:17:10   about how much older Luke is hmm it is

01:17:12   him seeing his sister you know 35 40

01:17:16   years younger and last time he looked at

01:17:18   it he was this you know testosterone shy

01:17:20   yeah naive boy who just thought oh

01:17:22   that's a fit girl yeah and now so much

01:17:25   has changed about him yeah you could

01:17:26   have just lingered on how old he looked

01:17:28   and he'll podgy his face was in like we

01:17:30   as viewers would have also been feeling

01:17:32   the same thing gosh last time I saw that

01:17:35   I was a young boy and now look at all of

01:17:37   us like it was very special and get

01:17:39   trampled on like so many other things

01:17:41   like oh don't hold on the seriousness

01:17:43   too long we're gonna have to have a sort

01:17:44   of half joke or a sort of meta comment

01:17:49   about it they're like huh like I liked

01:17:51   it until that line and I was like oh

01:17:53   okay great

01:17:54   here we go again there was also

01:17:55   something that didn't quite sit right

01:17:58   with me that like our tooth ought to do

01:18:01   it don't get you know I like r2d2 as

01:18:02   much as the next person but it just sort

01:18:04   of an eye but it's also to me the thing

01:18:06   of like I forgot r2d2 was supposed to be

01:18:08   in this movie until this moment and then

01:18:09   he just does the one thing and then

01:18:11   disappears again yeah anyway it was it

01:18:14   was an interesting scene that could have

01:18:16   been better

01:18:16   what about Snoke and the big battle in

01:18:21   in his lair with those all those red

01:18:25   imperial guards around the place as well

01:18:26   the first time I saw them I thought they

01:18:28   were pretty cool like the first time

01:18:29   when they tried to come to Stokes like

01:18:31   defense and he was just one-on-one with

01:18:33   kylo I thought was a pretty cool scene I

01:18:36   was like oh wow those guys badass I

01:18:38   liked them mm-hmm later on they became a

01:18:40   bit silly because there were just too

01:18:41   many of them and they were jumping

01:18:42   around the place like ninjas but it was

01:18:44   a little choreographed yeah there was a

01:18:45   little bit of like I'm watching a fight

01:18:47   on a stage play oh yeah these two people

01:18:50   are pushing this guy back and now he's

01:18:52   going to bounce off I would have loved

01:18:53   it if they had just run because I was

01:18:58   yeah I was kind of wondering like what

01:18:59   exactly are those guys are they like

01:19:01   tree nice it's like I don't know I get

01:19:04   you tell you like it would have been

01:19:05   funnier if they read because like they

01:19:07   were there for snow then boss has just

01:19:09   died like what's their motivation for

01:19:11   trying to kill either of those two

01:19:13   actually it didn't occur to me until

01:19:15   just now but he isn't kylo Ren like

01:19:18   second-in-command like don't they know

01:19:20   he's the apprentice to the master and

01:19:21   now that the master is gone shouldn't

01:19:24   they just be serving kylo Ren was

01:19:25   car-like complicit and snoke's

01:19:28   assassination what did he know it was

01:19:29   going on and allow it did he know that

01:19:31   she was twisting the lightsaber I

01:19:33   thought maybe that's what was going on

01:19:35   but they were in cahoots there okay this

01:19:38   is an interesting moment because I read

01:19:41   that scene totally differently yeah I

01:19:43   read that scene that kylo Ren killed him

01:19:45   okay so I had a big complaint about this

01:19:47   because I on the second viewing I had to

01:19:49   write it down because I thought the

01:19:50   scene was so absurd because smoke moves

01:19:55   ray before kylo Ren so that he will kill

01:19:58   her hmm right and kylo Ren looks right

01:20:01   at Rey and says

01:20:02   I know what I have to do okay so this is

01:20:06   a nearly word-for-word and I needed just

01:20:08   the way smoke did this is nearly

01:20:09   word-for-word his speechifying at the

01:20:12   end in Kyllo where there was a conflict

01:20:14   I now since resolved I cannot be

01:20:17   betrayed

01:20:18   I see his mind I see him turning the

01:20:22   lightsaber to strike true he ignites it

01:20:26   and kills his true enemy who could that

01:20:29   be his true enemy is it me yeah yeah I

01:20:32   read that wrong and I'm looking at the

01:20:34   Wikipedia radical it also says that Kyla

01:20:36   kills snakes a well that would explain

01:20:38   why the Red Guards are after both of

01:20:40   them your version would be way better

01:20:42   but I thought that was like the heaviest

01:20:44   thing I had seen on film in a long time

01:20:47   and the whole villain of snow snow

01:20:50   whatever the hell and my brain I keep

01:20:51   pulling like Snape his whole villain was

01:20:54   just totally wasted and totally

01:20:56   pointless and was another thing that

01:20:58   felt to me like some kind of director or

01:21:00   studio disagreement behind the scenes

01:21:02   because in the last movie it's a big

01:21:05   mystery oh who is this guy and in this

01:21:07   movie the answer is he's a guy who sits

01:21:09   in a throne room and gives a bunch of

01:21:11   speeches and doesn't really do anything

01:21:13   and reveals nothing about where the

01:21:15   first order came from or where he came

01:21:16   from

01:21:17   or anything is it def mole the guy who's

01:21:19   red and black and yeah it's like him

01:21:21   it's like oh that's a pretty interesting

01:21:23   character I can't wait to find out where

01:21:24   he came from and what his story is and

01:21:26   what he's all about and then they just

01:21:27   let kill him off and that's what

01:21:28   happened with this snake I was kind of

01:21:30   thinking ah you're pretty handy with the

01:21:32   force there yeah and you're pretty

01:21:34   interesting looking like where'd you

01:21:35   come from and what's your story

01:21:36   you've got me interested and then let's

01:21:39   cute it off and going back to my problem

01:21:41   with like the political situation I

01:21:43   think this is an answer that really

01:21:45   needs to be resolved is after the

01:21:49   supposed victory of the original trilogy

01:21:51   where does this guy come from

01:21:54   who's the one who starts up the first

01:21:56   order hmm that needs an answer whereas

01:21:59   like in the original trilogy because

01:22:01   you're just starting the story you can

01:22:04   say here's the state of affairs there's

01:22:06   a gigantic empire that controls the

01:22:07   universe and there's a bunch of rebels

01:22:09   go write story starts here but you can't

01:22:12   do that when you've continued the story

01:22:15   to just like

01:22:17   after the victory jumped forward 40

01:22:19   years and try to reset the clock like

01:22:22   there needs to be some kind of answer I

01:22:24   think that was like obviously what his

01:22:26   character was supposed to do but it

01:22:28   really felt like someone decided a done

01:22:30   like Snoke like we're gonna get rid of

01:22:32   him and we're gonna make sure he does

01:22:33   absolutely nothing in this movie except

01:22:36   be frankly like an over-the-top comical

01:22:40   speechifying a villain right like he

01:22:41   just loves to talk that guy like I felt

01:22:44   so bad for those Red Guards like they

01:22:45   must have to hear him talking all day

01:22:46   long like I think he's like he's

01:22:48   practicing speeches in that throne room

01:22:49   they just have to listen he does nothing

01:22:52   and what's potentially an interesting

01:22:54   character but like well I guess he's

01:22:56   just gone okay it's interesting isn't it

01:22:59   because oh for good stir whores films

01:23:03   have like a dual type thing at the end

01:23:07   that is really important and like a

01:23:10   highlight of the film and this one like

01:23:12   I've got hardly any notes here really

01:23:14   uninterested in it and like the

01:23:16   confrontation the moment between Rey and

01:23:19   kylo Ren and you know really just like

01:23:22   it was really forgettable I kind of

01:23:24   already forget what happened that he

01:23:25   said join me and yeah she said no and a

01:23:28   lightsaber broke in half and she pissed

01:23:31   off and I think you really raised an

01:23:33   excellent point that just didn't cross

01:23:34   my mind which is why are those cards

01:23:35   even fighting them I don't understand

01:23:37   either they should not care anymore or

01:23:39   they should recognize that kylo Ren is

01:23:41   now the next in charge oh it's a

01:23:43   free-for-all for the to control the

01:23:45   throne in that room like is that what's

01:23:47   happening it doesn't make any sense why

01:23:48   that fight occurs is to jump ahead in my

01:23:50   notes and jump ahead in the film because

01:23:52   it touches on this this is one of my

01:23:53   criticisms and questions about the film

01:23:56   too and that is the dedication of people

01:23:58   that have no skin in the game like when

01:24:00   the ships are all blowing up at the end

01:24:02   and you know it's all going pear-shaped

01:24:03   that's silver storm trooper and all the

01:24:06   other storm troopers are still like

01:24:08   amongst the carnage is their ship falls

01:24:09   apart and everyone should run evacuating

01:24:11   they're still just concentrating on

01:24:13   these killing these two rebels like at

01:24:15   least at the end of Return of the Jedi

01:24:17   when when it's all going pear-shaped on

01:24:19   the Death Star

01:24:19   and Luke's dragging Darth Vader through

01:24:22   the hangar like no one cares because all

01:24:24   they care about is just getting the hell

01:24:25   out of it though

01:24:26   like normal people but here people who

01:24:28   with no skin in the game and no reason

01:24:30   to care this much are just battling on

01:24:33   mindlessly doing things that make no

01:24:35   sense you've hit on such a detail that I

01:24:37   love in those original movies is that

01:24:39   seen as like the ship is falling apart

01:24:41   and everybody's just trying to get out

01:24:43   and it's so impactful like people are

01:24:46   acting in the way people would it's like

01:24:48   a storm troopers got no skin in this

01:24:49   game

01:24:50   as soon as it looked like Darth Vader's

01:24:51   incapacitated like they're just gonna

01:24:52   leave him to die they don't get like

01:24:53   everyone should trying to get out of

01:24:54   there yeah and it provides a reason like

01:24:57   how can Luke exit because everybody's

01:25:00   just exiting they're all just wrecked

01:25:02   leaving a drowning ship and nobody cares

01:25:04   now that's what would really happen and

01:25:06   then this becomes the answer is all of

01:25:08   these stormtroopers really care because

01:25:10   their video game a eyes with one goal

01:25:13   which is to kill the protagonists all

01:25:14   right that's the answer the question

01:25:16   it's terrible in my dark heart of hearts

01:25:18   I was hoping for a twist that I knew

01:25:20   wasn't going to come but I thought would

01:25:21   make the movie more interesting like

01:25:23   maybe ray and kylo will switch positions

01:25:27   because I feel like in the last movie

01:25:29   and in this movie they do harp on this

01:25:31   theme that like the dark side really

01:25:33   pulls ray like maybe more than other

01:25:36   characters we've seen and it's like man

01:25:39   it would be like a really badass bold

01:25:41   move to take your heroine and turn her

01:25:44   into the villain and maybe have like

01:25:46   kylo ends up going right back to leia

01:25:50   like have them switch positions but it

01:25:52   you know it's like i could see it wasn't

01:25:53   going to happen but i thought like oh

01:25:55   man maybe it like maybe we can salvage

01:25:57   this with a really cool turn of the

01:25:59   movie is like oh but nope okay alright

01:26:01   it's just like a fight they just fight

01:26:03   like join me and we'll rule the galaxy

01:26:05   together is BFFs with benefits I guess I

01:26:09   don't like I don't know I don't know

01:26:10   really what the sale was there I will

01:26:12   say a quick positive thing that happened

01:26:14   around this part of the film like you

01:26:16   know how in rogue one the scene with

01:26:18   darth vader tearing the ship apart mmm

01:26:21   was like the scene that everyone just

01:26:22   went wild man that scene made the whole

01:26:24   film worthwhile right there was one

01:26:26   scene like that in this film that I

01:26:27   thought that is cool and that was when

01:26:30   the Corvette went into light speed and

01:26:33   went through the whole squadron of enemy

01:26:36   ships like I'd never seen what would

01:26:38   happen if a ship went into

01:26:40   hyperspace into a hole like fleet of

01:26:42   other ships and the way that it tore all

01:26:44   those ships apart for a few seconds I

01:26:46   thought was a really cool looking Seine

01:26:48   I thought it looked amazing okay yeah so

01:26:50   you're talking about captain purple hair

01:26:52   which was a terrible casting decision on

01:26:54   my good casting someone as famous as

01:26:55   Laura Dern in that role was a terrible

01:26:58   decision and completely ripped me out of

01:26:59   the film every time she was on screen

01:27:01   because I've seen her in so many films

01:27:02   that she was poorly cast yeah I want I

01:27:05   want to get back to her cuz I've had

01:27:06   some problems with her but that scene

01:27:07   was without a doubt the highlight of the

01:27:09   film she turns a ship around and she

01:27:10   does a suicide maneuver into the capital

01:27:13   ship yeah loved it and looked awesome it

01:27:16   looked awesome the visuals were great

01:27:18   cutting out the sound briefly and then

01:27:21   having an explosion when you're not

01:27:23   expecting it like the audio work was

01:27:25   fantastic the way they shit like they

01:27:27   showed you that the ship was going

01:27:29   through like it wasn't just an explosion

01:27:31   and it was like a violent tearing

01:27:35   through like that scene was perfect on

01:27:38   every level except for the part where it

01:27:41   breaks the whole Star Wars universe

01:27:43   because because I saw it it's like wow

01:27:46   that's amazing and then wait a minute

01:27:48   why don't we just attach hyperdrives to

01:27:50   asteroids and use this as a weapon

01:27:52   maybe hyperdrives are quite expensive to

01:27:54   make great well it seems like I know

01:27:56   some pretty rich arms dealers like who

01:27:58   might be able to make those hyperdrive

01:27:59   and there are a lot of ships in the

01:28:00   films that have them but seem to belong

01:28:02   to pretty poor people yeah this is the

01:28:04   problem is like if you want to try to

01:28:05   make some economic argument that's like

01:28:07   oh the resistance was able to use their

01:28:09   this capital ship at the last moment

01:28:11   because it's such a costly maneuver it's

01:28:12   like okay

01:28:13   ships blow up all the time right all the

01:28:17   time in this universe and like hey

01:28:19   here's a great way that you can show

01:28:21   that the first order is really terrible

01:28:23   have them using suicide pilots driving

01:28:26   hyperdrive ships as attacks I could have

01:28:29   done the first Death Star that way just

01:28:32   a few of their ships into the first

01:28:34   Death Star would have been all over to

01:28:36   be honest I didn't think of it great I

01:28:38   just thought that's awesome

01:28:39   it is awesome but like within five

01:28:42   seconds I was like oh now stop brain

01:28:44   stop brain but it's like it's too late

01:28:45   it's too late my brain is and then it

01:28:47   goes like okay there's another battle

01:28:49   that happens later on and all I'm

01:28:50   thinking of is like why don't you just

01:28:52   hyperspace a ship right through the

01:28:53   core of this planet you know like if

01:28:55   you're gonna smash something at

01:28:56   Lightspeed into a planet that planet is

01:28:58   done right it is over and the rebels

01:29:01   like oh we have a shield up on our base

01:29:02   like well that shield hold up to a

01:29:05   dreadnought

01:29:05   going at hyperspace through the planet

01:29:07   like I don't think it will I don't think

01:29:09   anything will hold up against this

01:29:10   weapon this weapon just destroys all of

01:29:14   the battles because why would you do

01:29:16   anything else you know get some of your

01:29:18   slave droids to drive the ships it

01:29:20   didn't do that much damage to the flag

01:29:22   right it didn't like it was very

01:29:24   destructive but it wasn't planet

01:29:26   destroying destructive like it just put

01:29:28   a little cut through the dreadnought I

01:29:30   think you're overstating how powerful I

01:29:32   was I mean if we're supposed to take

01:29:34   that seriously do you not think that a

01:29:37   ship could go at light speed through the

01:29:40   rebel base on the salt planet yeah yeah

01:29:43   oh yeah you could take out the rebel

01:29:45   base I'm just saying you couldn't

01:29:46   destroy like a whole planet but this

01:29:48   what I mean like why aren't you bombing

01:29:50   the planet's surface

01:29:50   with ships at Lightspeed right this is

01:29:53   what I'm saying like if we're to take

01:29:54   that seriously that in this universe you

01:29:56   can do this yeah like why didn't they do

01:29:58   that on Hoth yeah exactly yeah and why

01:30:02   don't they do that unhappy

01:30:04   minute later and again it's like I

01:30:06   presume that the first order has a lot

01:30:08   of ships to spare if this is really

01:30:10   important or it's not I don't know I

01:30:12   can't figure out the scale of these

01:30:13   things so again highlight of the movie

01:30:15   totally loved it as an individual scene

01:30:18   breaks every naval battle in the entire

01:30:21   universe

01:30:23   this feels also like around the time

01:30:26   that the film should have been drawing

01:30:27   to an end yeah yeah and then we go to

01:30:30   Hoth - we go to hearth - and we start

01:30:32   what I think of as the Return of the

01:30:34   King phase of the movie yeah where I

01:30:37   keep thinking it's going to cut to black

01:30:39   multiple times and the movie really

01:30:43   suffers from starting to drag likes when

01:30:46   they start spinning up the extra battle

01:30:47   like you should never be looking at your

01:30:49   watch when a battle starts and you think

01:30:51   like really are we're really gonna do a

01:30:53   whole other battle right now I thought

01:30:54   like I'd already been to the toilet once

01:30:56   and I was thinking I'm gonna have to go

01:30:57   again yeah exactly

01:30:58   I had way too much stuff drink this part

01:31:02   was it was too much it was too much and

01:31:03   it was too long

01:31:05   so obviously like the red sole under the

01:31:08   white surface did look pretty cool yeah

01:31:11   but what was the point of those mono ski

01:31:14   poles on the ships

01:31:15   besides kicking up cool redness I don't

01:31:19   see the sciency reason for them did I

01:31:22   miss something you didn't miss anything

01:31:24   there's something in my head it's been

01:31:26   bothered I cannot remember what it is

01:31:27   someone will put it in the comments but

01:31:29   I know that there is some kind of like

01:31:31   in my head I have this image of a thing

01:31:33   that like sails on the surface and you

01:31:35   do use something like this in water to

01:31:37   stabilize a craft that moves along the

01:31:40   surface and I see that's what they are

01:31:43   going for but this whole battle struck

01:31:46   me as someone had what admittedly is an

01:31:49   awesomely cool idea for the visual

01:31:52   what's a cool visual we can add to a

01:31:54   battle to make it different and the

01:31:56   planet that has red crystals underneath

01:31:58   an ice on top super cool visual love it

01:32:01   what I don't love is now we have to

01:32:04   engineer a way that everybody is kicking

01:32:06   up the salt all the time yeah and the

01:32:09   way we're gonna do that is we're going

01:32:10   to give them space ships but the space

01:32:12   ships can't actually fly they can only

01:32:15   hover above the ground and hover above

01:32:18   the ground they need to have this

01:32:19   stabilizing fin that is scraping the

01:32:21   salts yeah and this also as the problem

01:32:23   to me that get resistance is

01:32:25   ridiculously outgunned here and they are

01:32:27   also confined to a 2d plane with 13

01:32:30   ships like you guys should get wrecked

01:32:34   immediately in this fight but they're

01:32:36   able to able to hold on and it's just

01:32:39   the movie contorting itself to fit the

01:32:42   visual idea on somebody's storyboard

01:32:44   that's what's happening there

01:32:46   yeah there's a lot of plot holes here it

01:32:48   was too much like the Hoth battle it was

01:32:50   luck

01:32:51   I don't mind Cole Beck's but this was

01:32:53   bordering on just being unoriginal

01:32:54   there's a lot of dumb stuff that happens

01:32:56   here is like crystal creature like

01:32:58   there's so is so much but it's like I

01:33:01   just got a call out what to me is my

01:33:04   favorite thing in the whole movie which

01:33:07   is

01:33:08   Finn decides he's gonna do a suicide run

01:33:12   into this cannon that they're going to

01:33:14   use to crack open the base no no now

01:33:16   you're doing it it was Poe wasn't it no

01:33:18   his fence I was it now what's Finn

01:33:20   what's Ben I know you're right oh god

01:33:21   man no I've got a serious puff in bubble

01:33:23   tea I'm sorry man I've got poof in

01:33:26   dyslexia but it's fair enough it's hard

01:33:27   to keep them straight like whatever it's

01:33:31   just like you know guys do in

01:33:32   adventurous things I don't know go on

01:33:34   but so Finn is doing this suicide run

01:33:37   into the Canon that is going to crack

01:33:40   open the resistance base and is I okay

01:33:45   well at this point in the movie it is

01:33:47   theoretically going to be the third

01:33:49   resistance suicide bomber in his film

01:33:52   it's like okay whatever I actually think

01:33:54   it's like okay this is not an

01:33:56   unreasonable character arc for him if

01:33:58   you're thinking about how is this

01:33:59   character in this sequence of movies but

01:34:02   so he's he's flying he's flying he's

01:34:03   flying and then at the last minute Rose

01:34:07   flies in from like unspecified

01:34:09   impossible angle and knocks him off yeah

01:34:13   of the beam and like they crashed to the

01:34:16   side and he rightly yells at her like

01:34:18   what are you doing and I swear to God

01:34:20   Brady I recorded it in the movie theater

01:34:22   the second time around because I was

01:34:23   like I have to make sure I remembered

01:34:25   this correctly because the scene is so

01:34:27   ridiculous she goes I saved you dummy

01:34:30   right like are you fool like bopping him

01:34:33   on the nose in a playful way in this in

01:34:35   this moment and she's like this is how

01:34:37   we're going to win by saving the people

01:34:39   that we love not sacrificing ourselves

01:34:41   are the things that we hate and in what

01:34:44   I think might be one of the most

01:34:45   ridiculous things I have ever seen in

01:34:47   cinematic history they are about to kiss

01:34:51   and you see the laser beam in the

01:34:54   background crack I hope in the repple

01:34:56   base right entirely presumably because

01:34:59   of her doing this dumb thing to save a

01:35:02   boy that in this moment you find out she

01:35:05   likes because she leans over and kisses

01:35:06   him like as the base is exploding in the

01:35:09   background the first time I saw it Brady

01:35:12   I swear to God I have never come closer

01:35:14   to just totally losing my movie theater

01:35:16   oh so that the delay makes you think

01:35:18   that

01:35:19   Finn's run would have been successful

01:35:21   because because

01:35:22   happened long enough afterwards yeah I

01:35:23   think that the movie very strongly

01:35:25   implies that the run would have been

01:35:26   successful that he would prevent this

01:35:29   from occurring

01:35:30   it's like Forrest Gump saving lieutenant

01:35:32   dad when lieutenant dad wanted to die on

01:35:35   the battlefield this move by this

01:35:39   character is maybe the dumbest thing

01:35:41   I've ever seen a character do in a movie

01:35:43   and it's also an incredible moment to

01:35:46   reveal that like she has a crush on a

01:35:49   guy that is let's be frank ridiculously

01:35:51   out of her league and she's gonna kiss

01:35:54   him now as the rebel base is cracked

01:35:57   open like a goddamn egg in the

01:35:59   background and everybody is going to die

01:36:01   I was like I was so close to just losing

01:36:05   it in the theater like I was like do not

01:36:06   laugh out loud in an uproarious way at

01:36:09   this moment like there are other people

01:36:11   in the theater the first time around but

01:36:12   like don't do this don't be that guy and

01:36:14   I was barely able to like crush that

01:36:18   laughter down inside of me because it

01:36:20   was so absurd it was so absurd

01:36:22   I hate rose I hate her so much I'm

01:36:26   getting that impression her character is

01:36:28   just so stupid at every turn and I think

01:36:33   the actress was not a good actress which

01:36:35   certainly didn't help but it's like I

01:36:36   couldn't stand her and that was this

01:36:38   amazing crowning glory for her as a

01:36:42   character like and of course because

01:36:44   it's a movie like things work out I

01:36:45   guess but she has no reason to think

01:36:48   this is going to work out like yeah it's

01:36:50   terrible it's so bad you just don't

01:36:53   understand love gray yeah it's true I

01:36:55   don't understand love and from the look

01:36:57   on Finn's face he doesn't understand

01:36:59   love because he seems pretty surprised

01:37:00   about what has just occurred there so

01:37:02   yeah it's awful it's maybe one of the

01:37:04   worst things I've ever seen in a movie

01:37:06   Wow so Luke Skywalker comes to town he

01:37:14   does he does

01:37:15   turns out it's force projection Scott

01:37:18   was doing astral projection is what he's

01:37:19   doing yeah which is a new Jedi skill new

01:37:23   skill which would have been a real

01:37:24   game-changer on numerous occasions like

01:37:26   like speeding through ships astral

01:37:29   projection by Jedi's game-changer in

01:37:31   many scenarios why did I ever put

01:37:33   themself in risky situations at all if

01:37:35   they can just

01:37:36   do it from afar I don't understand why

01:37:38   don't they send force ghosts who can

01:37:40   bring down lightning bolts from the sky

01:37:42   to resolve situations I don't know let's

01:37:44   show you why does it yo to just turn up

01:37:46   and bring down lightning bolts on those

01:37:47   88 es yeah I don't know the thing that I

01:37:50   found doubly confusing about that is

01:37:52   it's so similar to the established force

01:37:55   ghosts thing anyway like I was kind of

01:37:59   assuming that Luke was a force ghost in

01:38:01   this moment yeah and I thought it would

01:38:03   be much more poignant I realized that he

01:38:07   is already dead as opposed to dying

01:38:10   after exerting himself demonstrating a

01:38:12   skill that you never even had any idea

01:38:14   it was possible before yeah I found it a

01:38:16   weird choice because like this skill is

01:38:18   so similar to an existing skill in this

01:38:21   universe I don't know why you need to do

01:38:23   this like why don't you just make up

01:38:24   that like he's such a good force ghost

01:38:27   he doesn't have to have the blue glowy

01:38:29   bit around him has Kylie run even ever

01:38:31   met a force ghost like does he know that

01:38:32   force ghosts exist if he doesn't then

01:38:34   then Luke can just be a bluey person and

01:38:38   feel like I'm so powerful you don't have

01:38:40   any idea what's going on kylo Ren may be

01:38:43   forced ghosts can't hold things but

01:38:45   astral projection I think it's called

01:38:47   force projection can yeah one way or

01:38:50   another Luke Skywalker dies as a result

01:38:51   of this so this is a big deal killing

01:38:54   Luke Skywalker like that's as big as it

01:38:56   gets

01:38:57   so the things that I think about that is

01:38:59   did he just die from exhaustion that's

01:39:02   the feeling I get is it was like such an

01:39:04   incredible effort he had an aneurysm

01:39:06   that's sort of my thought on it I wish

01:39:09   he wasn't floating like a Buddha when he

01:39:11   did it that was a bit of a leaking of

01:39:12   galaxies again but yeah why do they have

01:39:14   to be floating when he did it wouldn't

01:39:16   that use even more energy couldn't used

01:39:18   to be sitting in a chair yeah anyway I

01:39:20   don't know maybe there's a reason you

01:39:21   have to float with your legs crossed

01:39:22   when you force projecting I do think

01:39:25   it's a shame that of all the things he

01:39:27   could give his life for it was like to

01:39:29   buy a few minutes for a ragtag group of

01:39:32   rebels yeah it wasn't like he did

01:39:33   something amazing that save the galaxy

01:39:35   was just like a momentary distraction

01:39:37   yeah so it seemed a bit bit trivial they

01:39:41   could have had plenty of time if someone

01:39:43   had kamikaze it into that cannon yeah

01:39:45   they wouldn't be short on minutes if

01:39:47   that was the case but you know oh well

01:39:48   opportunity law

01:39:49   also when Luke appeared in the base and

01:39:51   said hi to Leia did Lian know that that

01:39:54   was a projection or was her like

01:39:56   reunited moment with her brother like a

01:39:58   big fraud that she didn't even know was

01:40:00   going on I felt really bad for her when

01:40:02   Hans dice disappeared he's like Luke

01:40:06   gives her astral projection dice that he

01:40:09   knows they're going to desert here when

01:40:10   I dice I didn't think about that is that

01:40:13   like a cruel joke or does she supposed

01:40:16   to know I read it that c-3po did know

01:40:20   his Luke gives him like a cheeky wink I

01:40:22   don't know if that was intended or not

01:40:24   but that was kind of my reading is that

01:40:26   if anyone should know like the droids

01:40:28   should know it's not Luke I thought it

01:40:31   was more hey gang odd buddy good to see

01:40:32   again but you're right he would have

01:40:34   realized he didn't have like a heartbeat

01:40:35   and all those life readings and yeah

01:40:38   yeah it's a weird decision and I agree

01:40:40   with you that Luke's sacrifice here is

01:40:42   what once again for really small stakes

01:40:46   yeah it's for a couple of minutes of

01:40:49   time so that yeah a dozen people who are

01:40:54   the entire remainder of the resistance

01:40:56   can get away it wasn't big enough to

01:40:57   cost Luke Skywalker his laughs it seemed

01:41:00   trivial I didn't even think about it

01:41:01   until you mentioned it but I really

01:41:04   realize now that I had zero emotional

01:41:07   impact from the death of Luke Skywalker

01:41:09   yeah and it was so absent it didn't even

01:41:12   register in my brain that I had no

01:41:15   resonance in this moment it was just

01:41:17   like oh I guess Luke's dead now okay I'm

01:41:19   gonna move right along those dice I

01:41:21   realize there are a few stills from the

01:41:24   original film where there are dice

01:41:25   mm-hmm people don't need to like tell me

01:41:28   that about the dice but whatever you

01:41:30   tell me about the dice they have never

01:41:31   been part of the style was feel more

01:41:33   important or associated with Han Solo in

01:41:35   any way so to then make them this like

01:41:37   really special thing that would like

01:41:39   move Luke to see them and then would

01:41:42   move layer well I wasn't moved and I

01:41:44   know all these characters as well so the

01:41:46   dice was silly and making them dice as

01:41:48   well which is you know fluffy dice on a

01:41:50   rear view mirror like so again leakage

01:41:53   yeah it's it's total leakage how'd you

01:41:55   think of it where they ended up going

01:41:56   for their Return of the King endings

01:41:58   they they couldn't bear to end the film

01:42:00   and then they gave us this boy whipping

01:42:02   up into space and okay

01:42:03   boy looking up into space this connects

01:42:06   back to me in a thing that I feel like

01:42:08   oh god please don't let this happen is

01:42:10   one of my little underlying problems

01:42:11   with the whole movie and a bit of this

01:42:13   like leakage hmm I feel like the movie

01:42:18   was really trying to push this idea of

01:42:20   like regular people are resisting this

01:42:26   first order of Nazis and it's like all

01:42:30   the regular people

01:42:32   we just know are on this one side and

01:42:36   like this new Anakin boy who pops up in

01:42:39   three scenes and then at the end of the

01:42:40   movie he felt like the personification

01:42:43   of this thing hmm but I like there's

01:42:47   something about this that just really

01:42:48   rubs me the wrong way and I feel like I

01:42:50   am really worried that what they're

01:42:51   setting up for is it in the end of the

01:42:54   next movie this idea that it's like the

01:42:56   resistance is all of us all right like

01:42:58   we only have 13 actual people left in

01:43:01   the real like resistance so like how do

01:43:04   they solve this problem they have to

01:43:05   solve this problem with some kind of

01:43:07   like massive uprising there's just

01:43:09   something about like we have secret

01:43:11   rings with the rebel logo on it that

01:43:15   just don't like and like she's showing a

01:43:17   secret ring and the little boy knows

01:43:19   like oh yes of course

01:43:20   I'm only eight but I know which side I'm

01:43:22   supposed to be on in this little slave

01:43:24   world

01:43:25   there's also lines that just like

01:43:27   talking about allies to the resistance

01:43:30   oh these people on the outer rim they

01:43:32   keep referring to yeah there's all these

01:43:34   people on the outer rim who are like

01:43:35   allies to the resistance

01:43:37   oh yeah and when when Laura Dern shows

01:43:40   up who again I just say it is

01:43:42   unfortunate that she's like she's so

01:43:43   well known and her outfit made her look

01:43:45   like she fell out of the Hunger Games

01:43:47   and into this movie yeah she's always

01:43:49   looked really out of place like I just

01:43:50   don't believe you here but then she she

01:43:53   starts off again with this idea that

01:43:54   like the resistance is now this thing

01:43:57   that is here for she says quote like the

01:43:59   downtrodden and oppressed across the

01:44:02   galaxy and it's just like I don't like

01:44:05   this it feels like you're trying to have

01:44:07   this weird political thing that you keep

01:44:09   referencing and I don't want to draw

01:44:11   parallels between Star Wars Galaxies and

01:44:14   our world exactly like that is

01:44:15   unnecessary

01:44:16   there was even like a throwaway line

01:44:17   where when they have like Maz show up on

01:44:20   the Skype call to tell them to go find

01:44:22   the codebreaker dude and like Maz what

01:44:25   are you doing and she's like I'm

01:44:26   involved in a union dispute right now

01:44:28   you don't want to know the details and

01:44:29   I'm like it's like a fing course she is

01:44:32   right of course she's there fighting for

01:44:35   union rights like wherever the hell she

01:44:37   is I'm trying to stop voter suppression

01:44:38   here on Tatooine honest to god it might

01:44:41   as well be that any one of these things

01:44:44   doesn't matter but when you like keep

01:44:47   hitting it I was like oh who's the real

01:44:50   bad guys in this universe is like all

01:44:52   these are rich people are the real bad

01:44:53   guys who are the great people on our

01:44:55   side the downtrodden and oppressed like

01:44:57   they're on our side

01:44:58   we need to stop gerrymandering on Endor

01:45:00   it totally wouldn't have felt out of

01:45:02   place if there was a moment about like

01:45:04   oh these people don't have voting rights

01:45:05   it just pushes you out of it and I feel

01:45:09   like it's setting up this idea that like

01:45:12   oh the resistance is all of us like

01:45:14   we're all going to be the resistance I

01:45:16   did notice that they they pulled a

01:45:18   little trick at the end of the movie

01:45:19   which I thought like it was was my tiny

01:45:21   spark of hope that allowed them to pull

01:45:23   a linguistic change where they said like

01:45:25   oh the rebellion is born today it's like

01:45:28   okay great we can get away from this

01:45:29   like calling it the resistance thing

01:45:31   you're clearly in the next movie just

01:45:33   gonna call them rebels again good that's

01:45:35   great because it's it's it's

01:45:36   uncomfortable but cuz I wanted to get

01:45:38   rebel scum in didn't I used rebel scum

01:45:40   yeah John they used rebel scum so much

01:45:41   that I never want to use it again as a

01:45:43   joke because it's like oh now that

01:45:44   you've owned it where he's like oh I

01:45:46   rebel scum like I never want to make

01:45:48   that joke again thanks movie I just feel

01:45:50   like the slave children were like a

01:45:52   focal point of this idea that we're now

01:45:56   like all the downtrodden and oppressed

01:45:58   in the universe are on our side even

01:46:01   though we're only you know 13 terrorists

01:46:04   like that's what's going to happen here

01:46:05   like I don't like it I don't like it at

01:46:07   all and the fact that it's like a

01:46:09   vaguely new Anakin kid doesn't make me

01:46:11   feel any better about it did you find

01:46:14   distracting or entering your thoughts a

01:46:16   lot watching the film knowing that

01:46:19   Carrie Fisher had died and how they were

01:46:21   going to do with this I thought about it

01:46:23   a little bit only because I think that

01:46:25   the movie should have killed Carrie

01:46:26   Fisher in the beginning when she gets

01:46:29   blown out of the bridge

01:46:30   well that's why I assumed it happened

01:46:31   yeah I don't know what they're planning

01:46:33   on doing that but it felt like boy he

01:46:36   really missed an opportunity to have an

01:46:38   amazing impactful sudden death for a

01:46:41   main character that we've known and

01:46:44   loved for many years she didn't

01:46:46   contribute much after that point she

01:46:47   wasn't necessary after that point no

01:46:49   except maybe she'd already filmed all

01:46:50   the Saints and you couldn't get her out

01:46:52   I think that's what it is like they'd

01:46:54   already filled a bunch of scenes so they

01:46:55   wanted to keep her in also if you killed

01:46:57   Leia straight away that provides a

01:47:00   pretty good reason to hate the first

01:47:01   order and her like Mary Poppins in her

01:47:04   way back onto the bridge was really

01:47:05   uncomfortable but yet she doesn't really

01:47:07   do anything later in the movie I have no

01:47:09   idea what they're going to do in the

01:47:11   next part like I was aware of it but I

01:47:14   wouldn't say I was distracted by it like

01:47:16   were you I was always waiting cuz I

01:47:18   thought they'd kill her off so I was

01:47:21   always waiting for it to happen and then

01:47:23   it happened early and I thought okay

01:47:25   yeah okay and then she like comes back

01:47:27   to life I was like oh okay she's still

01:47:29   in the film now but I think the way it

01:47:30   works with reboots is you have a one

01:47:31   main character death quota per movie

01:47:34   yeah so we got rid of Han this one gets

01:47:37   rid of Luke in exchange for two minutes

01:47:39   of time so the next one has to be Leia

01:47:42   right that's you have a spread it out I

01:47:43   think that's the way it works okay any

01:47:46   other key notes or things you want to

01:47:47   talk about no I feel like I hit my main

01:47:50   ones casino land is terrible and I don't

01:47:53   like the real-world leaking in to my

01:47:55   Star Wars in language and weird

01:47:59   political references so great last year

01:48:03   when we did rogue one which you didn't

01:48:05   like and I kind of did like but I feel

01:48:08   like I didn't do it justice in the

01:48:10   podcast right and I sort of got dragged

01:48:12   along with you a bit and started kicking

01:48:14   it while it was down I've only seen it

01:48:16   twice but I feel more and more positive

01:48:19   about rogue one as time goes by and

01:48:21   after watching this film it made me feel

01:48:24   even more positive about rogue one like

01:48:27   I want more films like rogue one and

01:48:30   less films like this one that I saw

01:48:34   today right because rogue one it doesn't

01:48:36   mess with the Canon so much but still

01:48:39   feels related and part of the Star Wars

01:48:41   universe

01:48:42   if

01:48:42   grown up like it still felt like a grown

01:48:44   up film like it wasn't so sanitized and

01:48:47   this film didn't feel as like as much of

01:48:49   a film for grown-ups and I know style

01:48:51   was films of a families and they're not

01:48:53   just made for me but I like films that

01:48:55   are made for me right of course and

01:48:57   rogue one felt made for me and like if I

01:48:59   was going to go and put a Star Wars film

01:49:00   on right now downstairs

01:49:01   I put rogue one on hmmm let me ask you

01:49:04   this because I know you don't like road

01:49:05   one right right and it sounds like you

01:49:07   didn't like this one very much how would

01:49:10   you compare this one the last Jedi and

01:49:13   rogue one which was better of the two

01:49:14   well I know I've just been complaining

01:49:16   for two hours about this movie but I

01:49:21   think it's important what I'm about to

01:49:22   say I feel like this is this is the last

01:49:26   time I've watched a Star Wars movie in

01:49:29   the sense that I feel like something has

01:49:32   now broken in my brain where I'm not

01:49:36   watching Star Wars movies like I'm

01:49:38   watching movies that are set in the Star

01:49:40   Wars universe yeah and now I'm gonna

01:49:44   have just as much expectation of

01:49:46   enjoyment as I do it when I'm watching a

01:49:48   Marvel movie where it's like I've

01:49:51   watched all the Marvel movies and like

01:49:52   they're fine some of them are better

01:49:54   than others but none of them are great

01:49:56   movies but all of them are products to

01:50:01   print a million dollars or actually I

01:50:04   should say quite literally a billion

01:50:05   dollars and like when I watch like I

01:50:09   watch a bad Marvel movie like age of

01:50:11   Ultron is like I just feel like okay

01:50:13   well that was that was a really bad one

01:50:14   that wasn't good but there's gonna be a

01:50:17   million of these and I think this is now

01:50:20   the way I feel about the stark like my

01:50:21   expectations while watching the movie

01:50:23   got lowered because I feel like this

01:50:26   movie veered into weird parody of itself

01:50:29   hmm but I now have just like no

01:50:34   expectations or anticipation of any of

01:50:37   these movies in the future so I feel

01:50:39   like this is the last time I will have

01:50:41   walked into a theater feeling like I'm

01:50:43   gonna watch Star Wars movie and that's

01:50:45   just over now I mean now that's much

01:50:49   easier as well now that Luke and Han are

01:50:51   both gone yeah Luke and Han are both

01:50:52   gone but it's also just the world like

01:50:55   the world

01:50:55   is different so I enjoyed this movie

01:50:59   more more than rogue one but I enjoyed

01:51:04   it in the sense of now it's just like

01:51:06   any giant Cinematic Universe movie it's

01:51:11   just like a movie oh do you want to go

01:51:13   see the latest Star Wars flick like yeah

01:51:14   I guess whatever like oh do you want to

01:51:16   see the new Marvel movie like yeah sure

01:51:18   okay you know it's a machine that turns

01:51:20   out things that are sometimes

01:51:21   interesting or sometimes not and

01:51:22   similarly with the Marvel movies I feel

01:51:24   like the plot contrivance a--'s and

01:51:28   weirdness of the structure of those

01:51:31   movies it's like this is just what these

01:51:34   things are like there's beats that a

01:51:37   studio wants to hit for particular

01:51:40   movies and you need tie-ins to keep

01:51:43   franchises going it's like okay this is

01:51:45   all just part of this machine and I'll

01:51:48   watch movies in the future but I don't

01:51:50   think I'm ever gonna be like wow like

01:51:51   you know I'm gonna go see a Star Wars

01:51:53   movie and it's great so I personally

01:51:55   dislike rogue one a lot more but I

01:51:58   enjoyed this one more but for the wrong

01:52:01   reasons so that's the way I feel about

01:52:03   it can you imagine the time coming where

01:52:06   you don't go and say a stylist movie I

01:52:08   mean yeah simply because I imagine

01:52:11   there's going to be a lot of them I

01:52:12   don't feel the need to see all of the

01:52:16   movies we also have the weird problem

01:52:18   that we are now getting stuck in some

01:52:20   kind of Christmas tradition which is

01:52:22   complain about the Star Wars for two

01:52:24   hours on Christmas morning Merry

01:52:27   Christmas

01:52:28   listen to two grumpy nerds like complain

01:52:30   about the thing to end this episode then

01:52:33   can you think of anything positive about

01:52:36   this film the last Jedi lie is there

01:52:38   anything about it end with something

01:52:40   positive oh yeah there were things I

01:52:41   liked I liked the force conversations

01:52:44   between kylo and Rey I thought that was

01:52:47   a really nice nicely done thing that

01:52:49   felt like this is a believable force

01:52:51   addition the two of them talking I

01:52:53   thought that was great Rey is good again

01:52:55   know as good know as good but she got

01:52:58   there she was not as good because she

01:52:59   didn't have as much to do I think Finn

01:53:01   became a better actor between the last

01:53:03   time I saw him and this time because he

01:53:05   was a little cringe-worthy for me in the

01:53:06   first one but I think he he was fine on

01:53:08   screen

01:53:08   yeah but I gotta say like the best thing

01:53:10   about the movie by far was kylo Ren I

01:53:12   really like this portrayal of this like

01:53:17   angsty Sith guy and I think it's a

01:53:22   character that is so easy to do wrong

01:53:24   but that actor they have playing kylo

01:53:27   Ren I just think he nails it like I find

01:53:29   him really believable as this mm-hmm

01:53:33   angsty upsets uncertain but like rolly

01:53:37   powerful villain every scene he was in I

01:53:41   was like this is great I could have a

01:53:43   whole movie of just this guy I think

01:53:45   kind of like Rey carried the first movie

01:53:48   I think kylo Ren totally carried this

01:53:50   movie so he was my favorite thing I

01:53:52   think you're right I think you're right

01:53:54   one night I made partway through the

01:53:57   film was that usually when you're saying

01:53:59   when you're watching anything there are

01:54:01   story lines you can't wait to get back

01:54:02   to or ones that you don't like as much

01:54:04   mm-hmm there was a part in the middle of

01:54:07   this film where no matter what story

01:54:09   they cut to I was this one like there

01:54:12   was nothing there was nothing I wanted

01:54:14   them to cut so there was no story going

01:54:17   on at the moment I was thinking I want

01:54:18   more of that I liked all the jokes I

01:54:20   didn't like the joking around

01:54:22   I liked that after a mutiny occurs they

01:54:24   cut to a Spaceballs joke where an iron

01:54:27   comes down and they pretended to ship

01:54:28   for a couple of seconds before they

01:54:31   reveal that it's an iron I wrote that

01:54:33   down

01:54:33   that was another classic like I was

01:54:36   thinking a goth it looks like an iron

01:54:37   and then they played they played on that

01:54:38   and then when they did it I was like I

01:54:40   wish you hadn't done that

01:54:41   yeah I wish you hadn't done that after a

01:54:44   mutiny yeah we should end this podcast

01:54:49   by both saying may the force be with you

01:54:51   at the same time and then like giggle

01:54:53   and say jinx I'm gonna end just looking

01:54:56   up at the night sky holding a broom