02:00:00 ◼ ► down and build it and new let's go all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► in on something along the lines of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► functional reactive programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► maybe that's not the actual answer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► something that dramatic do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► that it would be something that big if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:11 ◼ ► this this hypothetical H I kit or do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7211">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► think it would be something much closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► to a shim and let me start with Marco on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:19 ◼ ► this to be all cocoa bindings Oh God I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7219">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► don't honestly like I'm not hugely into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► the whole reactive thing like I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► do my own thing with with that but of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► convinced that that is the inevitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:36 ◼ ► forward sure you know place to go but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7236">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► but whatever the answer whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► yeah so the if you if just the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► framework exactly it depends on like do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► they want to also like blow up iOS as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► well because if the idea of this is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7256">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► make developing for the Mac more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► iOS then no they shouldn't move on in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► such a major way because that isn't how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► I OS works but if the goal of this is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► be like the next generation unified UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► framework for all of their platforms if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► possibly making it Swift only then sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:20 ◼ ► that would make sense like it would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7280">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► would make the most sense to design it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► in a way that takes maximum advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► and fits in best with the design of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► Swift language which has which would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:33 ◼ ► come with lots of changes that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7293">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► don't work the same way because like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► much of ab kit and UI kit is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:39 ◼ ► the way objective-c works and is and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7299">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► designed because you know they were it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► was it was always language it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► designed with that in mind and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► designed with a lot of C idioms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:49 ◼ ► things that work very well with fictive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7309">TS</a>]
02:01:51 ◼ ► C with Swift there's a lot of weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7311">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► friction when you when you try to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:56 ◼ ► know when you when you use UI kit and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7316">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► lot of Apple frameworks from Swift you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► designed for this and it's it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:04 ◼ ► good as it could be or it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► doesn't quite fit in right doesn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► right or or is not as graceful as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► could be so if they're going to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► new swift only thing that is our our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► modern you know answer it like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► gonna be for the next 15 years framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► then yeah change a lot to make it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► Swift like I don't not necessarily like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► functional reactive I don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:27 ◼ ► but just make it more Swift like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7347">TS</a>]
02:02:29 ◼ ► know make it ideal for Swift but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7349">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► they're going for let's make it as easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:33 ◼ ► as possible for existing iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7353">TS</a>]
02:02:35 ◼ ► to also make mac apps then I then not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7355">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► necessarily so you have to I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► look at when you talk about UI kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► framework like that that lives for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► long time evolves and you can see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► as you look down through the layers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:52 ◼ ► like how things have changed like as in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7372">TS</a>]
02:02:56 ◼ ► case point out before before you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7376">TS</a>]
02:02:59 ◼ ► closures were a thing everything was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7379">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► know straight up delegation and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:03 ◼ ► suddenly when closures were a thing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7383">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► setting aside Swift it was like oh now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► bunch of new api's are coming take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:09 ◼ ► call back right and they take a closure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7389">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► as an argument and that becomes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► pattern that you start to see you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► see it everywhere you the old api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► don't have it but they introduced new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► api is they do have it and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► each new year WWC the framework that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► new slowly changes and evolves whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► the next framework is the the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► conservative answer is take whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► the current best thinking about you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► kid is not like make it like you I kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► exactly because there are parts of UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► kit that have been updated to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:42 ◼ ► current best thinking and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7422">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► closure is an example of like and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► happens to fit was Swift because if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:47 ◼ ► native support for that and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7427">TS</a>]
02:03:48 ◼ ► have to use this stupid block syntax and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7428">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► all the other stuff but make all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► new api's use the current best thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:56 ◼ ► and I don't think that actually entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7436">TS</a>]
02:03:59 ◼ ► precludes a larger change because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7439">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► keep doing that like over time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► introduce new API is with new thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► and there's a new language in the mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:08 ◼ ► and it evolves and evolves and evolves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7448">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► eventually you get to deprecated or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► never use the really old really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► api's so if your starting point is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:18 ◼ ► current best modern thinking UI kit with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7458">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► maybe some minor tweaks you get a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► the benefit of people being who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:24 ◼ ► familiar with you I kept being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7464">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► use that because people are familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► with uikit presumably you're somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:29 ◼ ► up-to-date on and don't say I only know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7469">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► how to use the uikit api's introduced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:33 ◼ ► like iOS 2 and I never learned anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7473">TS</a>]
02:04:36 ◼ ► after and I don't know what a closure is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7476">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► and I'm really confused right I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:39 ◼ ► know anything about all these properties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7479">TS</a>]
02:04:41 ◼ ► syntax and all those animations stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7481">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► let's all tint colors I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► that is of course they have to know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:45 ◼ ► have to know the modern ones too so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7485">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► that's your starting point you can bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► those people along now with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► whole reactor thing it's like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:52 ◼ ► something you can gradually add that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7492">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► kind of a paradigm shift and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► it's a tougher sell but even that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► could you could pitch that to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► pretend the Mac doesn't exist and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:01 ◼ ► just UI kit eventually in the lifetime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7501">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► of you I kid if you're thinking inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► Apple is that there's a better way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► design you eyes with you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► reactive paradigm or whatever some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► functional thing or something entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:12 ◼ ► different they could roll that out just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7512">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► in UI kit to say a bunch of new api's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► are gonna be using this thing and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:18 ◼ ► have a new view system and more you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7518">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► Mac has had multiple view systems even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:23 ◼ ► on Mac OS 10 it has multiple you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7523">TS</a>]
02:05:25 ◼ ► head carbon and it had cocoa and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7525">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► coexisted for a while and one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► faded away it's not impossible to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:30 ◼ ► two paradigms in the same platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7530">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► slowly transition to another one so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:35 ◼ ► precludes switching to something better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7535">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► but I think the main reason they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► is there are two reasons one I'm not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7539">TS</a>]
02:05:42 ◼ ► don't think Apple is convinced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7542">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► there is a better power this case you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► may be convinced by convinced it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:49 ◼ ► there is a better paradigm that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7549">TS</a>]
02:05:51 ◼ ► better enough to take the hit for it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7551">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► be like they can they can defer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7554">TS</a>]
02:05:57 ◼ ► they could say use the current best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7557">TS</a>]
02:05:59 ◼ ► thinking and UI kit plus whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7559">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► current best thing that we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► about is they're doing inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► right because there's always something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:04 ◼ ► every year right and make that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7564">TS</a>]
02:06:06 ◼ ► starting point of view new framework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7566">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► then go from there and I don't wrap this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► office running along the one one final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► especially from the concerns of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► users I mentioned photos apps and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► how they feel kind of weird that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► another way that this can all go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► if they no matter what solution they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► if it lets experience iOS developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:28 ◼ ► target the Mac but the applications they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7588">TS</a>]
02:06:31 ◼ ► create are all like photos essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7591">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► like that they feel weird and non Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► I don't think that will be a very big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:41 ◼ ► success because as few Mac users as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7601">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► there mate as there maybe and even Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► users who have no idea what it means to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:48 ◼ ► be quote-unquote Mac type Mac like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7608">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► know people who have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► electron is or no idea what makes Lac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► weird they feel they feel the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7614">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► friction and the weirdness even if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:00 ◼ ► can't identify it even with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7620">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► like chrome versus Safari I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► a real thing that people can feel and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► and I think the Mac enthusiasts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► actually an important subset of the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► market at a proportion of their of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:15 ◼ ► the money that they give or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7635">TS</a>]
02:07:17 ◼ ► rights the whole reason the Mac Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7637">TS</a>]
02:07:18 ◼ ► exists or will exist eventually and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7638">TS</a>]
02:07:22 ◼ ► think that is a really it's gonna be one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7642">TS</a>]
02:07:26 ◼ ► of the hardest things to avoid yes let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7646">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► people retarget their skills to the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► but how how are you gonna get them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► make applications that are satisfying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7652">TS</a>]
02:07:34 ◼ ► Mac applications that's a really tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7654">TS</a>]
02:07:37 ◼ ► order both because iOS users don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7657">TS</a>]
02:07:39 ◼ ► how to make a satisfying Mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7659">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► and because a lot of things you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► to make it easier for them leave them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:46 ◼ ► down the path to an application that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7666">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► like an iOS application that you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:50 ◼ ► a mouse cursor with and that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7670">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► well but I mean I would argue it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7674">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► better than not having these apps is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7676">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► though like I was saying I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7677">TS</a>]
02:07:59 ◼ ► it's better than not having the apps it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7679">TS</a>]
02:08:00 ◼ ► like is it better than just letting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7680">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► Mac platform die I would rather have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:03 ◼ ► good native 27 inch iPad pro application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7683">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► than the bad iOS port to a 27 inch iMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:10 ◼ ► yet I mean like just sure well but I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7690">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► know keep in mind like whatever Mac apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:15 ◼ ► are in practice is what ends up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7695">TS</a>]
02:08:19 ◼ ► you know the good Mac apps like it ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7699">TS</a>]
02:08:22 ◼ ► up being the standard like I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7702">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► don't think we have a choice here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:26 ◼ ► think something like this has to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7706">TS</a>]
02:08:28 ◼ ► to keep the Mac alive and so if what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7708">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► what ends up being most Mac have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► use if those are more iOS II that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► just become what it feels like to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:39 ◼ ► real to be a standard Mac app and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7719">TS</a>]
02:08:42 ◼ ► not what it means to be Mac life but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7722">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► just talking about like just straight-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:46 ◼ ► performance like that they feel laggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7726">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► and slow and not not powerful like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:52 ◼ ► don't have the features one part is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7732">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► they're that they're slow and weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7735">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► is it because they're slow and weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7737">TS</a>]
02:08:58 ◼ ► because the shim layer and they are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7738">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► missing features that we expect from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:02 ◼ ► cap because there are an iOS port and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7742">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► those features don't fit or don't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:05 ◼ ► sense on iOS that's that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7745">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► talking about like and and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:08 ◼ ► totally right to be super concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7748">TS</a>]
02:09:10 ◼ ► about that by using photos app as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7750">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► example of a cross-platform framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:14 ◼ ► but the reason why photos app on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7754">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► is slow and weird and doesn't feel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:20 ◼ ► and it lacks so many features and drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7760">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► it's because it is a terribly designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► app on so many levels and horribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:28 ◼ ► neglected all the time so it starts out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7768">TS</a>]
02:09:31 ◼ ► with a bad design they never change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7771">TS</a>]
02:09:33 ◼ ► they never make it better in your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7773">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► explanation during our famous episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:37 ◼ ► number 223 throw the fork away was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7777">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► great so perfect the Photos app is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:45 ◼ ► cross-platform frameworks it happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7785">TS</a>]
02:09:47 ◼ ► be built on a cross-platform framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7787">TS</a>]
02:09:48 ◼ ► but it is a terrible design and that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7788">TS</a>]
02:09:52 ◼ ► nothing to do with the framework it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7792">TS</a>]
02:09:53 ◼ ► everything to do with the actual UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7793">TS</a>]
02:09:55 ◼ ► design the flow of the app the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7795">TS</a>]
02:09:58 ◼ ► like I do think it has to do with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7798">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► framework and that I know the flow in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► the UI design is inherited in large part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:04 ◼ ► from how photos works in iOS and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7804">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► they just added a couple little sidebars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:08 ◼ ► here and there like it feels like an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7808">TS</a>]
02:10:10 ◼ ► application in design wise no definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7810">TS</a>]
02:10:13 ◼ ► it is it is entirely because that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7813">TS</a>]
02:10:16 ◼ ► very badly designed app that was it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7816">TS</a>]
02:10:18 ◼ ► designed by people who don't use it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7818">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► way anybody else uses it if at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► it is designed to look good in demos not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:25 ◼ ► to actually be used by human beings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7825">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► is not a problem with the framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:29 ◼ ► that's the problem with the just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7829">TS</a>]
02:10:30 ◼ ► design of it it is slow and cumbersome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7830">TS</a>]
02:10:34 ◼ ► not because it copies iOS stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7834">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► because it has too many modes and too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7836">TS</a>]
02:10:38 ◼ ► many slow animations and it lacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7838">TS</a>]
02:10:40 ◼ ► convenient keyboard shortcuts and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7840">TS</a>]
02:10:42 ◼ ► but like it has those modes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7842">TS</a>]
02:10:44 ◼ ► photos on iOS has to have the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7844">TS</a>]
02:10:46 ◼ ► because you don't have over the room on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7846">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► the screen for all that stuff so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:48 ◼ ► think about when you go to crop I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7848">TS</a>]
02:10:49 ◼ ► photos you got a little crop icon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7849">TS</a>]
02:10:51 ◼ ► that or you go to like color or light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7851">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► then you got all this something using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7852">TS</a>]
02:10:54 ◼ ► you eventually dig your way down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7854">TS</a>]
02:10:55 ◼ ► feature you want and it's a lot of taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7855">TS</a>]
02:10:57 ◼ ► and why is it a lot of taps because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7857">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► you're on a phone you don't have room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7858">TS</a>]
02:10:59 ◼ ► have that stuff visible all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7859">TS</a>]
02:11:01 ◼ ► you take that UI paradigm and you bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7861">TS</a>]
02:11:03 ◼ ► it to the Mac and it's still a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7863">TS</a>]
02:11:05 ◼ ► tap seeing like why you making this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7865">TS</a>]
02:11:08 ◼ ► sort of how the codebase works and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7868">TS</a>]
02:11:10 ◼ ► kind of added a sidebar here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7870">TS</a>]
02:11:12 ◼ ► but we didn't want to change too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7872">TS</a>]
02:11:13 ◼ ► like isn't that the whole thing we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7873">TS</a>]
02:11:14 ◼ ► to change too much and we get a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7874">TS</a>]
02:11:16 ◼ ► application out of it and it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7876">TS</a>]
02:11:17 ◼ ► should have changed more that isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7877">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► whole thing like first of all the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:21 ◼ ► that they use something called like UX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7881">TS</a>]
02:11:24 ◼ ► doesn't make the design bad the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7884">TS</a>]
02:11:26 ◼ ► that their views are using UX color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7886">TS</a>]
02:11:28 ◼ ► instead of NS color and UI color that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7888">TS</a>]
02:11:30 ◼ ► doesn't like the that's what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7890">TS</a>]
02:11:32 ◼ ► asking for here is like give us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7892">TS</a>]
02:11:34 ◼ ► stock widgets and stuff that we can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7894">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► them of the place but but the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:37 ◼ ► interface layout and the choices they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► made with all these different modes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:41 ◼ ► everything that's just a bad design off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7901">TS</a>]
02:11:44 ◼ ► for the Mac period and that has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7904">TS</a>]
02:11:47 ◼ ► entirely to do with laziness and bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7907">TS</a>]
02:11:49 ◼ ► design but nobody doesn't have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7909">TS</a>]
02:11:50 ◼ ► with the framework it has to do it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7910">TS</a>]
02:11:52 ◼ ► to do with the fact that the code base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7912">TS</a>]
02:11:53 ◼ ► came from an iOS app you started with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7913">TS</a>]
02:11:55 ◼ ► iOS app and you're like I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7915">TS</a>]
02:11:57 ◼ ► this app on the Mac so that's you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7917">TS</a>]
02:11:58 ◼ ► with that code base and that code base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7918">TS</a>]
02:12:00 ◼ ► works the way it works on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7920">TS</a>]
02:12:02 ◼ ► so you don't want it completely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7922">TS</a>]
02:12:03 ◼ ► you're you're motivated not to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7923">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► too much about it right so it's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:07 ◼ ► it's not the framework it's not the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7927">TS</a>]
02:12:08 ◼ ► to use if you had written it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7928">TS</a>]
02:12:09 ◼ ► scratch with the same framework as a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7929">TS</a>]
02:12:11 ◼ ► app you would be fine but I my fear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7931">TS</a>]
02:12:14 ◼ ► getting at here is that people have iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7934">TS</a>]
02:12:17 ◼ ► essentially port to the Mac and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7937">TS</a>]
02:12:19 ◼ ► not starting from scratch and figuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7939">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► out how to make a good mac app they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► starting from their iOS app and mutating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:25 ◼ ► it until they feel like it's more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7945">TS</a>]
02:12:28 ◼ ► less a madcap and so the Photos app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7948">TS</a>]
02:12:30 ◼ ► feels like the iOS Photos app mutated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7950">TS</a>]
02:12:33 ◼ ► just enough to masquerade as a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7953">TS</a>]
02:12:35 ◼ ► application and you're totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7955">TS</a>]
02:12:37 ◼ ► that's not the fault of the framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7957">TS</a>]
02:12:38 ◼ ► it's not the fault of you even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:40 ◼ ► execute or anything like that it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7960">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► fault of the fact that they that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:43 ◼ ► essentially a port and that you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7963">TS</a>]
02:12:45 ◼ ► with one code base and you change it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7965">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► you know you don't start over from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:49 ◼ ► scratch right and way too long here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7969">TS</a>]
02:12:54 ◼ ► Hockenberry was pointing out about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7974">TS</a>]
02:12:55 ◼ ► Twitter if ik where icon factory wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7975">TS</a>]
02:12:58 ◼ ► their own framework to basically be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7978">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► chameleon or something yep right so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:04 ◼ ► have experience doing that hey let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7984">TS</a>]
02:13:05 ◼ ► write a framework on the Mac but the API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7985">TS</a>]
02:13:06 ◼ ► has all look like UI kit they did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7986">TS</a>]
02:13:08 ◼ ► and they also did let's make a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7988">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► version of an iOS application and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► do it by cleanly and slightly painfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:17 ◼ ► because you know programmers aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7997">TS</a>]
02:13:18 ◼ ► perfect separating the internals from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7998">TS</a>]
02:13:22 ◼ ► which all programmers are supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8002">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► doing but until you actually try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:24 ◼ ► separate them with a big scissors you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8004">TS</a>]
02:13:26 ◼ ► realize how much your crap has leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8006">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► into each other like it's life right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:29 ◼ ► and according to Craig the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8009">TS</a>]
02:13:32 ◼ ► approach for them anyway work better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8012">TS</a>]
02:13:35 ◼ ► Twitter if ik where what they reused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8015">TS</a>]
02:13:37 ◼ ► across the iOS and the mac app is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8017">TS</a>]
02:13:40 ◼ ► the faceless stuff but the UI for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8020">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► mac app is written totally from scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► the only part that shared is the inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:48 ◼ ► now they wrote it from I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8028">TS</a>]
02:13:49 ◼ ► what they used they could have written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8029">TS</a>]
02:13:50 ◼ ► it from scratch using you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8030">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► chameleon thing they could have written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:53 ◼ ► their scratch using app kit they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8033">TS</a>]
02:13:55 ◼ ► hypothetical H eye kit but the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8035">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► they wrote it from scratch they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8037">TS</a>]
02:13:58 ◼ ► take the interface from the phone poured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8038">TS</a>]
02:14:02 ◼ ► it and start tweaking it but that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8042">TS</a>]
02:14:05 ◼ ► think will be a temptation it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8045">TS</a>]
02:14:07 ◼ ► sort of the equivalent of shovel where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8047">TS</a>]
02:14:09 ◼ ► that will be a temptation if Apple does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8049">TS</a>]
02:14:10 ◼ ► a good job making that easy and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8050">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► how about will done with that look I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:13 ◼ ► went from your iPhone application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8053">TS</a>]
02:14:14 ◼ ► then I just move two things around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8054">TS</a>]
02:14:15 ◼ ► add a sidebar and set up a few menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8055">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► Mac app and I'm gonna say no not a not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► Mac out thanks to our sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:25 ◼ ► Casper Squarespace and hellofresh we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8065">TS</a>]
02:14:28 ◼ ► see you next week now the show is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8068">TS</a>]
02:14:37 ◼ ► it was accidental oh it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8077">TS</a>]
02:14:42 ◼ ► Johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8082">TS</a>]
02:14:46 ◼ ► let him cuz it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8086">TS</a>]
02:14:50 ◼ ► accidental and you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8090">TS</a>]
02:14:54 ◼ ► notes at a CAS URL is s so that's Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8094">TS</a>]
02:15:07 ◼ ► less and a are Co a RM ante Marco Arment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:30 ◼ ► good thing so much stuff happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8130">TS</a>]
02:15:33 ◼ ► seven days ago yeah exactly so Marco you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8133">TS</a>]
02:15:38 ◼ ► said you had watched the first two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8138">TS</a>]
02:15:41 ◼ ► I have yeah you know what it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8141">TS</a>]
02:15:43 ◼ ► good I feel like the in studio segments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8143">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► are slightly less garbagey than they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:53 ◼ ► were last season oh yeah to clarify I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8153">TS</a>]
02:15:55 ◼ ► skip the house pretty bad not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8155">TS</a>]
02:15:59 ◼ ► don't skip like the little bumpers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8159">TS</a>]
02:16:01 ◼ ► their second but like when they like sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8161">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► down with a celebrity or something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:04 ◼ ► skip that but I always did that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8164">TS</a>]
02:16:06 ◼ ► with the BBC show also yeah the the BBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8166">TS</a>]
02:16:10 ◼ ► show the in studio segments were pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8170">TS</a>]
02:16:14 ◼ ► decent if not good but man the Grand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8174">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► Tour in the studio is bad outside of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► studio I think the films were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:23 ◼ ► actually out in the world doing things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8183">TS</a>]
02:16:25 ◼ ► think those are 80 to 90 percent of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8185">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► they were for Top Gear and I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:30 ◼ ► very hard not to spoil anything directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8190">TS</a>]
02:16:32 ◼ ► for John but my goodness of studio stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8192">TS</a>]
02:16:35 ◼ ► is just nothing I feel like all I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8195">TS</a>]
02:16:37 ◼ ► doing is cringing the entire time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8197">TS</a>]
02:16:39 ◼ ► they're in the studio oh absolutely no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8199">TS</a>]
02:16:42 ◼ ► question like the studio stuff is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8202">TS</a>]
02:16:43 ◼ ► is as cringe-worthy as it was in season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8203">TS</a>]
02:16:47 ◼ ► one but season 2 episodes 1 & 2 if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8207">TS</a>]
02:16:51 ◼ ► skip the studio Long's parts and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8211">TS</a>]
02:16:53 ◼ ► just pay attention to the rest of it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8213">TS</a>]
02:16:54 ◼ ► know film segments I'd say it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8214">TS</a>]
02:16:57 ◼ ► very good very fun and you know the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8217">TS</a>]
02:17:00 ◼ ► few seasons of Top Gear were that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8220">TS</a>]
02:17:01 ◼ ► were on you know they were there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8221">TS</a>]
02:17:03 ◼ ► like a bit of a decline in those two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8223">TS</a>]
02:17:05 ◼ ► I would say the the current season of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8225">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► whatever this is Grand Tour is on on par [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:13 ◼ ► with or better than the last few seasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8233">TS</a>]
02:17:15 ◼ ► the top here they did I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► fair you know one of the Instituto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:19 ◼ ► segments that I actually kind of liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8239">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► and I think is the strength that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► should be leaning on in Grand Tour but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:24 ◼ ► in season 1 apparently they did not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8244">TS</a>]
02:17:26 ◼ ► always liked the the new segments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8246">TS</a>]
02:17:28 ◼ ► because I guess because it's the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8248">TS</a>]
02:17:29 ◼ ► like a pod yeah like they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8249">TS</a>]
02:17:31 ◼ ► would have a little TV screen up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8251">TS</a>]
02:17:33 ◼ ► to show an image and they'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8253">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► there's quick hits on the news oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:36 ◼ ► know Volkswagens coming out with a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8256">TS</a>]
02:17:38 ◼ ► car what do you think of this and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8258">TS</a>]
02:17:39 ◼ ► all just have something snarky to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8259">TS</a>]
02:17:40 ◼ ► about it in much the same way we do on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8260">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► podcast what do you think of Bonita [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:43 ◼ ► they talk about right and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8263">TS</a>]
02:17:45 ◼ ► celebrity involved and you can't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8265">TS</a>]
02:17:47 ◼ ► they're not trying to be funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8267">TS</a>]
02:17:48 ◼ ► they are they're trying to be funny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8268">TS</a>]
02:17:49 ◼ ► very often the snarky lines were written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8269">TS</a>]
02:17:51 ◼ ► ahead of time clearly right like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8271">TS</a>]
02:17:53 ◼ ► wasn't all spontaneous or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8273">TS</a>]
02:17:54 ◼ ► that lets them be them in a way in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8274">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► same way that they would out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8278">TS</a>]
02:17:59 ◼ ► studio just sort of joking around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8279">TS</a>]
02:18:01 ◼ ► each other about a topic that they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8281">TS</a>]
02:18:03 ◼ ► have strong feelings about you think all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8283">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► Porsche 911s look the same you are into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:07 ◼ ► trucks you are like whatever like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8287">TS</a>]
02:18:09 ◼ ► personalities and their enthusiasm for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8289">TS</a>]
02:18:11 ◼ ► cars which you know is my always big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8291">TS</a>]
02:18:12 ◼ ► thing with with top gear comes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8292">TS</a>]
02:18:14 ◼ ► in those segments and their studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8294">TS</a>]
02:18:16 ◼ ► segments and they're fine and even some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8296">TS</a>]
02:18:18 ◼ ► of the celebrity ones depending on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8298">TS</a>]
02:18:19 ◼ ► celebrity passable but anything where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8299">TS</a>]
02:18:21 ◼ ► it's like we're not going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8301">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► car news we're not gonna talk about cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:25 ◼ ► we're not gonna talk to a celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8305">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► we're gonna do like a funny skit with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:28 ◼ ► each other did not work in the green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8308">TS</a>]
02:18:31 ◼ ► like just just like because because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8311">TS</a>]
02:18:34 ◼ ► what's left then then it's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8314">TS</a>]
02:18:36 ◼ ► bunch of people who are like are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8316">TS</a>]
02:18:38 ◼ ► trying to be Saturday Night Live very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8318">TS</a>]
02:18:39 ◼ ► often they'd be trying to make a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8319">TS</a>]
02:18:41 ◼ ► they'd be like huh nah isn't that funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8321">TS</a>]
02:18:42 ◼ ► and they'd be like making fun of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8322">TS</a>]
02:18:44 ◼ ► you know children with cancer to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8324">TS</a>]
02:18:46 ◼ ► no it's not it's not funny it's like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8326">TS</a>]
02:18:49 ◼ ► it was it was funny when I was a boy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8329">TS</a>]
02:18:51 ◼ ► 1942 it was like just guys like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8331">TS</a>]
02:18:55 ◼ ► can't talk to somebody before you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8335">TS</a>]
02:18:57 ◼ ► these segments like it's not or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8337">TS</a>]
02:18:59 ◼ ► the one but they were making fun of gay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8339">TS</a>]
02:19:02 ◼ ► something ice like just talk to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8342">TS</a>]
02:19:04 ◼ ► person before you plan a 15-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8344">TS</a>]
02:19:07 ◼ ► segment that you think is gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8347">TS</a>]
02:19:08 ◼ ► hilarious but yeah it's it's not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8348">TS</a>]
02:19:10 ◼ ► it's no good and anyway yeah there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8350">TS</a>]
02:19:13 ◼ ► lot more of that it's definitely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8353">TS</a>]
02:19:15 ◼ ► older dudes who think that some of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8355">TS</a>]
02:19:19 ◼ ► stuff is funny and it's just not funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8359">TS</a>]
02:19:20 ◼ ► anymore and the other thing unless on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8360">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► the second episode they official maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:26 ◼ ► they talked about in the first but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8366">TS</a>]
02:19:27 ◼ ► the second episode was the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8367">TS</a>]
02:19:28 ◼ ► they really did a hot lap if I recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8368">TS</a>]
02:19:30 ◼ ► correctly and they have ditched the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8370">TS</a>]
02:19:33 ◼ ► American and they said something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8373">TS</a>]
02:19:35 ◼ ► yeah well you know it didn't really work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8375">TS</a>]
02:19:37 ◼ ► and so there was a at least a modicum of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8377">TS</a>]
02:19:40 ◼ ► like self-awareness there but they bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8380">TS</a>]
02:19:43 ◼ ► on a woman some woman and they say she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8383">TS</a>]
02:19:47 ◼ ► a really great driver and the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8387">TS</a>]
02:19:49 ◼ ► haven't named this woman is because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8389">TS</a>]
02:19:51 ◼ ► didn't name her like did you did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8391">TS</a>]
02:19:54 ◼ ► watch this Marco did you notice that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8394">TS</a>]
02:19:57 ◼ ► like the new Stig kind of but right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8397">TS</a>]
02:19:59 ◼ ► was I I assume that was part of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8399">TS</a>]
02:20:02 ◼ ► kind of bit that's gonna play out over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8402">TS</a>]
02:20:03 ◼ ► time but I thought that was weird too it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8403">TS</a>]
02:20:08 ◼ ► inappropriate is the right word but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8408">TS</a>]
02:20:10 ◼ ► not funny it seemed like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8410">TS</a>]
02:20:13 ◼ ► 50-plus year old guys trying to be funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8413">TS</a>]
02:20:15 ◼ ► in a way that in the year almost 2018 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8415">TS</a>]
02:20:22 ◼ ► and I don't think this is me being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8422">TS</a>]
02:20:24 ◼ ► a stick-in-the-mud I don't think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8424">TS</a>]
02:20:26 ◼ ► me being a social justice warrior it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8426">TS</a>]
02:20:29 ◼ ► just it's I'm trying to be better about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8429">TS</a>]
02:20:31 ◼ ► being aware of these sorts of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8431">TS</a>]
02:20:33 ◼ ► and so now that I am more aware of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8433">TS</a>]
02:20:36 ◼ ► sorts of things when they don't name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8436">TS</a>]
02:20:40 ◼ ► this woman driver like they praised her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8440">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► but they don't name her it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:44 ◼ ► come on guy is really this is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8444">TS</a>]
02:20:47 ◼ ► thing and just like you said John like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8447">TS</a>]
02:20:49 ◼ ► nobody told you this was not cool nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8449">TS</a>]
02:20:53 ◼ ► not a one not a single person said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8453">TS</a>]
02:20:55 ◼ ► this was not cool and so i-i've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8455">TS</a>]
02:20:58 ◼ ► fast forwarded on a and on an initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8458">TS</a>]
02:21:00 ◼ ► viewing I've never fast forwarded any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8460">TS</a>]
02:21:02 ◼ ► the top gear of the Grand Tour but well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8462">TS</a>]
02:21:04 ◼ ► you're missing out I am well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8464">TS</a>]
02:21:07 ◼ ► thing I was about to say I am paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8467">TS</a>]
02:21:09 ◼ ► less and less and less attention to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8469">TS</a>]
02:21:11 ◼ ► in-studio segments that being said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8471">TS</a>]
02:21:15 ◼ ► the film's I thought were really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8475">TS</a>]
02:21:17 ◼ ► particularly this last one and again I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8477">TS</a>]
02:21:20 ◼ ► trying not to spoil it but it involves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8480">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► Marco and John's either current or old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:25 ◼ ► stomping grounds that one I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8485">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► really good and enjoyable so thus to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8488">TS</a>]
02:21:30 ◼ ► films are great but Godley the studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8490">TS</a>]
02:21:33 ◼ ► stuff I'm running out of patience for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8493">TS</a>]
02:21:36 ◼ ► yeah there is no question in my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8496">TS</a>]
02:21:38 ◼ ► that if the show was just the films and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8498">TS</a>]
02:21:42 ◼ ► each episode was like you know I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8502">TS</a>]
02:21:43 ◼ ► guess be like 20 minutes long or 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8503">TS</a>]
02:21:45 ◼ ► minutes long and instead of like an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8505">TS</a>]
02:21:46 ◼ ► if it was just that it would be a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8506">TS</a>]
02:21:49 ◼ ► show I mean I'm looking forward to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8509">TS</a>]
02:21:52 ◼ ► to the rest of the episodes from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8512">TS</a>]
02:21:55 ◼ ► season but I might do the unthinkable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8515">TS</a>]
02:21:58 ◼ ► Paula Marco and just skip the in studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8518">TS</a>]
02:22:01 ◼ ► segments because hoo boy I give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8521">TS</a>]
02:22:03 ◼ ► permission it is a much more enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8523">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► yeah I swear look some titles here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:17 ◼ ► we had some good ones this week as I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8537">TS</a>]
02:22:19 ◼ ► older I guess worse yeah that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8539">TS</a>]
02:22:21 ◼ ► I like hotbox with knobs hot box with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8541">TS</a>]
02:22:23 ◼ ► Dobson's little boxes does the USB pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8543">TS</a>]
02:22:26 ◼ ► to get hot no my description is not I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8546">TS</a>]
02:22:32 ◼ ► never had one of those boxes I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8552">TS</a>]
02:22:33 ◼ ► assumed they got hot but no hot box hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8553">TS</a>]
02:22:36 ◼ ► box you guys don't know that movie do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8556">TS</a>]
02:22:37 ◼ ► you nope Casey did your boy watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8557">TS</a>]
02:22:40 ◼ ► Marko might like it yeah I mean my vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8560">TS</a>]
02:22:42 ◼ ► my final vote is either for older worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8562">TS</a>]
02:22:44 ◼ ► or hot box of knobs mm-hmm I think I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8564">TS</a>]
02:22:47 ◼ ► both hot box with knobs definitely is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8567">TS</a>]
02:22:49 ◼ ► a musical ring to it and seems like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8569">TS</a>]
02:22:51 ◼ ► ATP title but now now that I learned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8571">TS</a>]
02:22:54 ◼ ► boxes don't get hot I like it was I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8574">TS</a>]
02:22:58 ◼ ► some of them do like the ones too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8578">TS</a>]
02:23:01 ◼ ► speaking if you want stuff get hot oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8581">TS</a>]
02:23:04 ◼ ► god yes you you do have some hot boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8584">TS</a>]
02:23:09 ◼ ► with knobs all right yeah cuz it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8589">TS</a>]
02:23:11 ◼ ► a you know it's a Class A B amp the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8591">TS</a>]
02:23:13 ◼ ► smaller ones like I had one that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8593">TS</a>]
02:23:18 ◼ ► ridiculously hot yeah I don't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8598">TS</a>]
02:23:21 ◼ ► patate box with knobs over the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8601">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► fantastic mr. Fox watch it watch it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:26 ◼ ► the kids it's a good kid movie even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8606">TS</a>]
02:23:28 ◼ ► Declan might like it heard of this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8608">TS</a>]
02:23:30 ◼ ► then you'll see where I am saying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8610">TS</a>]
02:23:32 ◼ ► recommend that because in the hot box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8612">TS</a>]
02:23:33 ◼ ► features in the movie isn't that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8613">TS</a>]
02:23:35 ◼ ► euphemism for like farting in bed yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8615">TS</a>]
02:23:38 ◼ ► I'm glad you caught up the car that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8618">TS</a>]
02:23:40 ◼ ► well oh that's not just hotbox it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8620">TS</a>]
02:23:44 ◼ ► like when you like smoke pot in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8624">TS</a>]
02:23:46 ◼ ► with the windows up what do you call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8626">TS</a>]
02:23:50 ◼ ► that's no you're right you're right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8630">TS</a>]
02:23:53 ◼ ► know we don't need to go to the chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8633">TS</a>]
02:23:54 ◼ ► room for fart confirmation Casey is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8634">TS</a>]
02:23:56 ◼ ► there with the oh when it comes to farts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8636">TS</a>]
02:23:58 ◼ ► and I know what I'm talking about - [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8638">TS</a>]
02:24:05 ◼ ► farts ever stop being funny I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8645">TS</a>]
02:24:06 ◼ ► think so it was like humor is rooted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8646">TS</a>]
02:24:10 ◼ ► uncomfortable like it like in a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8650">TS</a>]
02:24:13 ◼ ► way and like farts are you're so against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8653">TS</a>]
02:24:16 ◼ ► the facade that we are not animals we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8656">TS</a>]
02:24:19 ◼ ► are we are civilized people and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8659">TS</a>]
02:24:22 ◼ ► like this bad smell and gas comes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8662">TS</a>]
02:24:24 ◼ ► our butts like that's that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8664">TS</a>]
02:24:25 ◼ ► funny like fuck it and and like it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8665">TS</a>]
02:24:28 ◼ ► and think and it makes the whole room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8668">TS</a>]
02:24:30 ◼ ► smell bad for like ten minutes and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8670">TS</a>]
02:24:32 ◼ ► it's like that's like that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8672">TS</a>]
02:24:34 ◼ ► if that's always gonna be funny across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8674">TS</a>]
02:24:36 ◼ ► all cultures across all times because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8676">TS</a>]
02:24:38 ◼ ► try so hard to pretend like we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8678">TS</a>]
02:24:40 ◼ ► animals with butts and poop and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8680">TS</a>]
02:24:42 ◼ ► and then this reminds us anyway that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8682">TS</a>]
02:24:45 ◼ ► my theory on farts good they can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8685">TS</a>]
02:24:48 ◼ ► we're still alive yeah good you to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8688">TS</a>]
02:24:50 ◼ ► an app about that I hear they're all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/8690">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► um but yeah there's no there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► perfect solution so I you know even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► even if they change it to do that and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► heard some good suggestions on Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► forget who's just maybe was Marco maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► was someone else like change the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► of the battery meter to like purple or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► don't know they already use red and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► green and yellow but some other colors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► show like it's not just that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► battery is like lower in the middle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► we found out that your battery is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► underperforming and to what case you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► said at the beginning of this your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► battery doesn't give up it's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► just is not capable of delivering either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► the volts of the amps that are required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► by the CPU and the CPU has met has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► things that cause it you know or not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► electronics a look if my voltage or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► threshold game over right and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► what's happening so the battery is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► dutifully pumping out as much energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► that can on the CPU is like now sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► can't do it everything goes black um not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► that really matters the details but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► anyway that's that's that's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► happening and you know the the if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► want to get on Apple for doing a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► that you know what you know five why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► this down to like what is the root cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► here you could get to the batteries not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► easily replaceable but you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► that expensive to replace it you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► get to the size of the battery you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► get to how long if you use your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► like a regular person how long does your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► obsolescence thing is I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► different than the the perception that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► Apple is doing you know evil thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► make you buy a new phone because planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► obsolescence you could say they make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► sealed phone with a battery that will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► crappy after two years and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► know that all those numbers they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► how long it will last they know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► isn't that planned obsolescence because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► this phone is released to you and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► know the plan is that if you use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► like a regular phone it will be a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► worse phone in two years and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► essentially their plan they couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► make a phone that becomes a much worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► phone in a week they could make a plan a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► phone that becomes much worse one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► five years where have they chosen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► draw that line is wherever they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3717">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► know if it's two years we're just making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3718">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► a number but that is a design choice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► this brings me to a thing that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► buried in our show notes for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► that I will now hoist up because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► relevant this is a YouTube video from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► cut one of the things I hated most about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► to find the stupid date from September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► 1st 2017 this is a another typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► sensationally titled thing like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► articles today about you know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► information reveals that Apple is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► as deceptive as your crazy uncle always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► said no that's not what it confirms at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► all anybody is Apple ruining your max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► performance question mark isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► definitely great a quick baby title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► title ever his a yeah yes his his are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► boring because there are two same the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► number one the number one pinned a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► comment on this is Apple ruining your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► max performance spoiler alert yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► this article is about thermal throttling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► on Macs which actually Marco talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► about a little bit although he surmised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► it for Thermo based like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► plugged in your external monitor at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3777">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► beach house like the how it slowed down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► the clocks on your your MacBook Pro am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► remembering there right yeah this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► this is a pretty a pretty significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► limitation of the 2017 MacBook Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► actually and this is not just the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► right so this is another case where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► again the sensational headline would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► make you think that Apple is inserting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► code that mean this isn't about making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► you buy a new Mac but apples and certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► komen says your computer could be faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► but we're going to do something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► software to make it not faster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► withhold the performance from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► because we're evil Apple and we do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► for insert reason that doesn't make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► sense because obviously as Gruber points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► out and as many people point out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► people think it's an apples interest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► make you buy I won't buy a new phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► it is not an apples interest to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► buy a new phone by sabotaging your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► current iPhone because that will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► make you feel bad about iPhones it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► make you want to buy a different phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► but anyway setting that aside logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► doesn't factor in like again perception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► doesn't matter that's not the logic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► not enter into it the the reason so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► Mac's thermal throttling if you watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► this video this is about like gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► performance on an iMac or actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► MacBook as well maybe it's both I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► anyway he puts it in like a freezer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► runs the benchmark and having out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► freezer too so you know all these sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► of temperature things look I'm I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► I'm not making this up look performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► is here but then as things we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► before and it goes down you can see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► stair step pattern and the graphs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► what your frame rate is and then you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► it in the freezer and you don't see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► things and inside this computer run at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► Marlys full speed until it gets kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► mechanisms inside the computer that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► there to protect the silicon from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► know melting itself say whoa whoa whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► let's start slowing things down and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► cranks down the clock speed and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► doesn't have to do with battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► this has to do with like performance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► I would say that you know again Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► it's not doing a malicious thing to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► your computer bad because they are evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► you know rubbing their hands together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► villains twirling their moustaches but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► they did design a computer they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► design a computer in which if you play a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► game on it and you know in a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► reasonable ambient temperature for human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► kind of room eventually gets so hot that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► the mechanisms that protect the silicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► throttling down an Apple design that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► computer right now is it a manufacturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► defect did they put it together wrong is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► the thermal paste not working is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► heat pipe not working right or are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► all like that or are they all like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► after a certain number of years and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► the beginning they're not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► whatever the thing is this is a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► that Apple made and you are not getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► all the performance you would hope to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► get out of it that you could get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► it if it had better cooling and same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► thing with the plugging the external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► monitor whether that is a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► programmatic when the external Morrow's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► immediately because we know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► gonna be thermal issues or whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► just so happens that as soon as you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► in the external monitors it immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► trips the thermal thing and it drops it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► down either way apples ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► sensitive components is inadequate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► allow those components to run at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► top rated speed all the time and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► a design choice by Apple or a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► flaw from Apple or ever you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► phrase it in no case is it malicious but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► it is a real fact of the products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► you know another reason we're all well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► I'm waiting for a Mac Pro is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► you know it's a compromise that you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► say well that compromise allows it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► thinner and lighter especially with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► laptop with an iMac it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► justify saying yeah yeah it is thin back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► there but does it really need to be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► we want to be sleek and elegant whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► these these are real you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► say this this is like the phone with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► like oh they chose to put a battery in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► there that maybe if it was a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► battery you'd have more Headroom and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► to charge it full as much and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► you know have have more buffer on either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► side of it sort of use the middle part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► of the battery like Marco's Tesla does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► or they could buy a batteries from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► different manufacturer or they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► even like there are things you can do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► design the phone to try to avoid this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► legitimate place of potential difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► with Apple and arguably they have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► different moves there because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► about a sixth generation with the shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► down stuff the seven had a bigger better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► battery than the six right and the ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► seems to have a bigger better battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► still right so it seems like they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► making adjustments and learning from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► where they came from but that I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► like is you know the communications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► stuff and everything it's I feel for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► Apple but at the same time by being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► secretive and crossing their fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► that people wouldn't notice that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► them and they you know they get all to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► be a bad PR I do feel bad that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► perception will not match up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► reality even more so now because of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► but I also think that the design choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► performance degradation like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► compromises I'm not sure they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► struck the right balance it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► depends on who you are obviously tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► nerds they're gonna say that of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► you've struck the wrong balance because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► I'll give up you know half a pound to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4075">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► get an on throttled GPU other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► might want the half a pound because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► don't care about throttling and all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► do is use Microsoft Word all day but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► from my perspective as a tech nerd it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► bothered me to get a product that has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► be sort of you know baby they're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► freezer to get the to get sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► rated performance out of it kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► to crash on Marko's Tesla but kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► like the Tesla's where a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► wrote in when we talked about Tesla's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► and road tests and I felt like it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► getting its due and how you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► such a great performance car but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► never put up against the real ones and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► lot of people pointed out and I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► recall this from reading a lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► laughs a lot of that is not just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► it's not grated handling because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► really heavy but also because you drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► a Tesla hard around a racetrack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► eventually test it was like and yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► so much how about you how about you lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► off a little bit and it goes into not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► limp mode but it goes into please stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► hurting me mode because my battery's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► really hot and I really don't like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► you know hot laps as they're called like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► literally hot laps I'm not up for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► and so it's hard to get a bunch of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► know good lap times because you do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► or two fast laps and the Tesla's says no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► throttling on a Mac and like the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► they can't give enough juice it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► well can we just wait for the battery to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► cool down a little bit maybe and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► not something you're looking for in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► not so fast around curves and you drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► it fast for a long time and it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► really doesn't like that and says with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► it's electronics you will not be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► that anymore for a while I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► physics you know my bad so anyway to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► wrap this up somehow I've managed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► turn this story about Apple software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► protecting its hardware into a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► about how I really wanted the Mac Pro to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► not be thermal throttled and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► should make us computers faster-- course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► but but yeah like I said um if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► one thing away from this take away the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► sad the sad realization the the the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► information actually confirms the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► people used to think about Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► everyone will believe it does and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► a bummer for Apple and they're partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► to bring with bad PR handling but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► should continue not to believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► Apple purposely slows down computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► because a that would be a dumb thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► do and B they don't do it to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► buy a new phone also please never put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► your computing devices in the freezer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► condensation exists this is a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:32 ◼ ► put them in mineral oil come on yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4232">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► might even know about this because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► were you're always a Mac person case you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► might remember do you ever back back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► then like one of the early hey days of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► overclocking and like the very late 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► early 2000s overclocked yo started using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► I don't know Hayes Browns Peltier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► Peltier plates know about this so so one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► of the ways that you know water cooling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► was not extreme enough if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► gigahertz or whatever so people started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► using these Peltier devices which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► thermoelectric things that they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► they're like they're solid-state no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► moving parts and you apply a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► power to them and one side gets super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► and I think this I think integrals use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► these I'm not sure they're anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► overclockers decided that this this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► a good way to to get even colder cooling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► of their of their CPUs they could push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► them even further and it's especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► egregious because all the power that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► draws which is a lot to perform this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► cooling the hot side gets all the heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► of the processor plus that wattage that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► it's using so like the cold side gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► little cold the hot side gets really hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► and it was the mcdlt of cooling solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► yeah anyway and so one of the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► one of the reasons one of the many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4318">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► reasons why people I don't think really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► used those for more than about six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► months is because once you introduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► the possibility for a for something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► your computer case to get below ambient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► temperature you start having problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► with condensation and possibly frost and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► this is a really big problem instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► a computer collect Ronix do not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► water like if you like and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► they decided okay now we can back off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► frost and condensation and now we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► just go to pumping water through our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► case that's much better well I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► you said it's of all about ambient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► temperature because if you start making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► the surrounding air cooler and it can no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► longer hold the water that is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► condenses out of the air that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► problem but if everything is at air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► temperature or higher you're still it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► still way lower than the temperature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► the little hot piece of silicon in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► so you're fine with condensation you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► just gotta make sure you have no leaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► so is that it on the deliberately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► planned obsolescence that may or may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► really be a thing it's not you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► it again not may or may not really be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4377">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► thing he's not really hitting I'm lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► this is the problem like no matter how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► much people talk about but like yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► this does kind of confirm what everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► said doesn't it no no it doesn't because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► what they were saying they were saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► was not that they're slowing down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► computer but for a reason and this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► know this is the nuance and I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► agree that no one is gonna get this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► the ADP listeners well no an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► I would caution you ATP listeners do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► attempt to explain this to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► like Christmas dinner because it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► not go over well just nod your head and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► say you were right all right don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► confirm that they're right just go have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► no guess yeah guess what you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► gonna be the one bringing it up like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► of our listeners who are known probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► as like the computer people and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► family all their other relatives are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► gonna ask them about it you won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► to bring it up people will ask you yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► then you can tell them the truth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► suppose but like it's a nuance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► people don't care about because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► really really want to be right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► that conspiracy and they can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► psychology of this like why you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► everyone wants to seem like they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► savvy like that the world's not pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► one over me that this is how they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► you like the world attempts to pull one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► over but I'm no dummy I know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► truth is so Apple people think Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► great but I know the truth about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► intentionally make your phone slower to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► make you buy a new one and I'm on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► know they're they're not fooling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► right and it's important to them to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► like they are that the world is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► fooling them is often people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► mostly being fooled by almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► in the world and so they you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► it's important that they're that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► show that that's not the case so they no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► matter how much like you can't you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► never convince these people that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► not the case like there is no like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► literally you will never convince them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► like if they if they could personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► speak to and live with for a year every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► employee living in dead of Apple and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► truly convinced that they were never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► doing this they would do that in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► infant life span come back and say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► but I kind of think they're really doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► it well it really doesn't help that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► Apple just basically proved the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► two-thirds of their theory correct yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► no that's the best thing like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4497">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► important but there is no to throw 2/3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► of the theory bit like the conclusion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► like that gets like this is what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► doing like they're doing it to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► buy a new phone because the other part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► of is not something to get work about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► they're doing it to make sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► hardware does it make sure my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► doesn't turn off well that doesn't sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► like it something I should get that mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► about it because they they don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► don't care about the nuances like PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► communication and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► right maybe if you want to convince them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► maybe you could say what you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► really be mad about is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► Apple didn't say this earlier and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► they can get mad about that and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► they'll feel like they still like are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► righteously angry and they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► righteously angry about that that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► the notion of malice that like like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► Volkswagen engineers secretly cheating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► the emissions test because that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► worst thing about this this Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► points out in his article he used uber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► as an example because he doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► about the automotive world but VW is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► probably a more apt example large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► corporations do legitimately do actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► actively maliciously evil cheesy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► like this you know not by accident not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► to protect the engine but like detect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4556">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► when you're being emission tested and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► pretend like you have less emissions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► than you do but then really when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► use as a car put out way more our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► emissions Volkswagen did that and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► not good for that company so it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► stretch to believe the corporation would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► do that but you know the the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► mean I guess we had to say look the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► reason we all believe Apple wouldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► this is mostly because it doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► sense I mean it's partially because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► know people at Apple and we trust Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► and believe it and maybe we're suckers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► in blah blah blah but also because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► unlike cheating on emissions test which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► has a big upside for VW if they can pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► intentionally making your phones worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► to make people buy new ones like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► wouldn't make people buy new ones as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► Gruber has pointed out many many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► it would make people buy an Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► phone like if they knew like if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► phones just get worse and if this has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► happened by the way with the shutdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► stuff I've seen stuff like I bought in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► the last iPhone but then just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► turning off forget it and I next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► I'm getting an Android phone it's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► actually happens if you intentionally or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► not intentionally if the phone you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► starts getting worse you know like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► Casey with this BMW if your engine keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► blowing up you're thinking maybe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► okay he's not like that clever BMW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► tricking me into buying another BMW by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► making my engine blow up intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► that's not how the world works but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► people do really want to feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► you know they understand how they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► you and the world's not pulling one over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► on them so well because in this case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► world did pull one over on them and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► it this one's only the only fix to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► reputation problem and this you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► having Mouse attributed to it is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► to be a very long-term problem but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► only way to start fixing this is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► communicate about it from the phone a PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► statement is not enough because most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► people when I read PR statements and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► they do they won't believe them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► when this throttling happens and tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► them why it's happening and how much do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► you think that will help I agree that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► will help but how much Oh massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► because that that totally changes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► the view of it not for everybody not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► going to convince everybody but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► will it'll at least appear that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► not trying to hide this fact from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► you know because the narrative is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► they are they are secretly like trickily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► like slowing down your phone if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► tell you your phone can't run at full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► speed because the battery is is too worn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► out that's a very different look and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► again that's gonna piss people off too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4702">TS</a>]
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01:18:30 ◼ ► everyone suddenly has good feelings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► 0% is this doesn't make anybody feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► better what percentage would you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► that this helps bring me half to 2/3 I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► say I mean a lot we're on the same page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► because I think it's half as well my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► guess would be about half like a half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► the people will be will see that dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► and will be like yeah it's a bummer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► I understand what's going on and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► other half of the people like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► will say this dialog box proves the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► was trying to get me a new phone by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► lying to me with this dialog box so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► is way better than what they did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► time but I am pessimistic that this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► you know and if you think about it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► like I don't know the the the not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► anything strategy pretend the not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► anything strategy had had been ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► and you know this this whole information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► continue to but they're not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► theoretically weathered that storm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► just put better batteries in their phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► and eventually the six is all cycle out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► quote-unquote win so the you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► strategy they chose to do is riskier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► right because something like what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► just happened could happen but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► potential upside I think is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► the 50% solution where half the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► think now the dialog box is proof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► positive that Apple is trying to trick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► you into buying a new phone by making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► your phone slower because that dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► box is total BS my battery's fine I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► it's fine it's telling me I need a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► phone it's just you know anyway when to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► be clear they said like they said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► statement that right now it applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► iPhone 6 and 6s but it's going to but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► the 7 is going to be added soon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► as time goes on like they said that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► it isn't a problem inherent to the six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► and success like this this problem isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4802">TS</a>]
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01:20:13 ◼ ► current as you know so maybe the last to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► have two years two and a half years or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► whatever like I think they're because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► think the root problem is sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► design lifetime of the phone right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► not like you know they have to pick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► design lifetime like you have to like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► said they could pick any number they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► wanted it as their target right I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► they've been moving their target up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► which will help them with this problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4829">TS</a>]
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01:21:23 ◼ ► also dreads the idea of people seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4883">TS</a>]
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01:24:13 ◼ ► is a again a post by gurmann and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► summary seems to be that there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► change probably next year if he's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► that what we currently think of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► or maybe there'll be a new term for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► but but there will be a mechanism by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► which the same app can be run on iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► Mac OS and so in the same way that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5075">TS</a>]
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01:24:44 ◼ ► the future their own I guess Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5084">TS</a>]
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01:24:50 ◼ ► different platforms in the future there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5090">TS</a>]
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01:24:55 ◼ ► by which we will have the same app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► running on iPhone on iPad potentially an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► Apple watch and on Mac OS and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► really knows what the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► but that supposedly is the future if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► believe mark Garmin so I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► worth pontificating about what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► different paths are to this end but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► are there any immediate thoughts on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► starting with John I think the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:32 ◼ ► thing the important part of this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5132">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► to think about and this is the rumor so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► we don't know bla bla bla they did a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► of equivocating in this but it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► come next year but they might cancel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► but it might not great ok um so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► motivation behind this is something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► we've talked about in this show a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► specifically when Marco has been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► making Mac applications and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► and poorly yeah the historical side with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► that here here's what I think why why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► believe that projects like this are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► know conceivably going on inside Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► and may actually ship Apple has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► important asset that they brag about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► you know it's all the time but that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► think people tend not to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► that much which is you know when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► put that slide says we have X number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► thousands or millions of developers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► brag about number apps but number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► developers whose developers are writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► those apps Apple used to have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► amount of people who were Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► but now they have way way more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► who are iOS developers there are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► of iOS developers that is a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► applications for iOS and do it to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► money it's a virtuous cycle like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► you know the whole marketplace it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► great for Apple makes money when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► make money but really the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► asset is a bunch of people out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► know how to write iOS apps fewer people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► out there know how to write Mac apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► fewer every year because the maca maca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► developers get older and most people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► are learning to write absolutely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► write them on iOS one way Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► deal with this is say we're just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► sunset the Mac whatever the Mac was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► developers know how to develop for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► we'll just let all the Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► retire and golf into the sunset and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► we'll can the Mac line and blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► blah you know and everything we've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► about VR has said no we're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► that the Mac is important blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► and yeah it's important bit until it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► not but so far the messaging is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► clear thumbs up on the Mac in fact we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► rededicating ourselves to the Mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► Mac is an important product the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► iOS fill different roles we're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► gonna force the Mac to be like iOS of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► course I was to be like the Mac all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► those things that they said but they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► have the problem of a small number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► Mac developers a small number of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► apps and smaller all the time like tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► of applications are available on iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:57 ◼ ► TV OS but not on the Mac in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5277">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► of just the PC world of course they'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► available on the Mac if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► available in any app platform now many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► things are available in out black or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► it's not available on the Mac and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► the big reasons is you have at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► evelle person over iOS apps but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► don't know how to write Mac apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► writing Mac apps is different enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► that it is non-trivial to do that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► they're assuming Apple wants to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► Mac around which they keep saying they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► do one way to solve that problem is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► find a way to let the huge number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► people who know how to write iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► reuse some or all those skills to target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:34 ◼ ► the Mac and that I think is what any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5314">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► project like this would be about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► would be about leveraging that asset to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► you know bring up their other platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► and yes the unification is important too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► like trying to unify but you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► misleading his visit says to create one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► user experience but then you read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► article on it's like the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► sometimes we'll use touch but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► sometimes we'll use a mouse and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► pointer it's like that's naughty that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► what not one user experience that's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► user experiences and it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► because the mouse cursor is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► than touch and you can't use you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► different things working different you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► know anyway this is all about letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► leveraging the those skills and I am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► think I think Mark already talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► this someone of his podcast that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► all recorded in the in the past future I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► don't know how time works anymore the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► Days of Future past seven days ago we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► discussed under the radar yeah but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► think you'll hear a lot about iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► developer saying I'd yeah if I could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► my skills to either make a mac app or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► bring the app that I already have and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► on iPhone and iPad to the Mac maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► would make sense at the very least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► would entertain it like I wouldn't rule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► it out like I have to see if it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► sense in terms of economics and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► and so forth there are some potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► upside potential downsides but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► time you know like it it's when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► remove the barrier and say you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► your skills that you have for iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► you know you know how to use UI kid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► make table views and do all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► and there's some about new stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► might learn but you can reuse your code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► and you can reuse your skills and to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► know to varying a sense they would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► potential new way to make money and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► it's a smaller platform but in theory we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► know this is true but in theory you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► might be able to charge even higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:16 ◼ ► prices than you do on the iPad so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5416">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► the lens through which I'm viewing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► these rumors and getting it what Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► was talking about yeah but how but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► there are many ways that they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► it that would be bad for Mac users in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► bed for developers like they can blow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► but if I want to put up like what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► the goals of this project the goals are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► leverage one of Apple's greatest assets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► tons of developers who know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► well for iOS alright so before we talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► how Marco any other thoughts the Devils [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► in the details but conceptually I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► it is not gonna be an easy thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► you know if this is this is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► thing they're working on it's that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► easy because the two platforms are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► very different from each other and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► don't just mean like on at an API level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► I'm talking about just like the an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► fullness level and the needs of a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► app you know versus iOS like in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► ways developing an iOS is way easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► because there's a lot of things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► don't have to worry about that on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► Mac you have to accommodate or think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► about or support just because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► expect different kind of interactions on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► the Mac like you know just simple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► like you know you have the entire menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► drag-and-drop and different types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► like you know data providing services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► that you have all sorts of different you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► have windowing multiple windows multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► documents being open the the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► document system behind that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► things like undo which you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► all sorts of of rich behaviors that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► been built over time many of us quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► long time ago that people expect all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► like you know quote computer apps to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► things like script ability even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► they're so they're so so much that Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► apps do that iOS developers don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► have to worry about or don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► even think about making something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► can do that rich power of the Mac with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► iOS like code or iOS like UI frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► that's not a small job and there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► of ways to do that very badly and so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► lot of Mac people are wary if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► announcement or they were seven days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► at least where they're worried like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► know we don't want like the equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► of an iOS app running in a simulator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► window just you know and here we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► like dragging our mouse over it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► simulate touch swipes and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► like nobody wants that and if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► what this ends up being that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► be a huge failure on a number of levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► and a tragedy honestly but I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► feeling apples better than that like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► don't think they would do that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► if they're gonna do this at all they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5578">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► hopefully they're gonna do a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► job of it and that's again it's not easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► and it wouldn't surprise me if they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► if they go down this road if they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► been going on this run for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► then they eventually decide you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► what this actually isn't good enough we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► shouldn't do this anymore like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► I feel like even if they did and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:18 ◼ ► they've done that three times already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5598">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► take another run at it because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► like the only two possible options are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► sunset the Mac or find a way to leverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► the eventually you know in in a not huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► number of years would you say on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► infinite time no non infinite on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► finite and fairly short time scale that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► means gets the desk on the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► people who know how to make a good Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► app is not going out it's just not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► this and the number of people who know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► how to make a good iOS app is going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► in a tremendous number of this you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► to find a way to either you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► have people do off of the Mac anymore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► repurpose repoint your your big asset of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► the fleet of developers at the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► because that's the only way you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► to get an ongoing supply of good Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► apps right and so I think you know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► like you said there are just so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► ways to do this wrong right and if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► tried a bunch of approaches and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► suck I think they would say okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► approach eventually you assume the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► they come out with is one of them as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► approach that they feel kind of okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► with but you know they could blow it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► anyway the for the approaches I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► there's a few obvious ones a couple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► obvious ones it's not clear to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► whether these are approaches that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► they've decided suck and they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► to pursue but it very least these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► approaches they have code for are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► like UX kit which is like what when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► lot of applications start appearing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► the Mac and people said they looked and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► smelled kind of like iOS applications a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► lot of them used either actual UX kit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► similar approaches where it is like a UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► kit sort of facade that just calls app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► get stuff under the covers to let you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► repurpose code that you originally wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► for iOS devices to make an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► core Mac application the kind of looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► and behaves a little bit like an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► application photos for the Mac is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► great example this you know arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► like contacts or even something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► new Notes applications a lot example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► tabs that you look at them what maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► yeah a lot of apps out there they kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► of I mean there's a family resemblance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► but also like behavior wise you can kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► of tell that they're not just using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► straight app kit because a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► stuff that you basically get for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► with app kit doesn't exist in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► applications like different behaviors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► different you know behaviors in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► focus and keyboard shortcuts and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► like that that are just different for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► until you realize that they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► just reused a lot of UI code so aux get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► like approach is one possible way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► that and like I said it's not clear to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► me whether they did that and decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► actually that's not great so we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► taking that approach or they did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► over many years with any applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► decided actually this approach works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► pretty well this is what we're gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► essentially a new framework that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► apt-get but not UI kit but it looks very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► much like UI kit and lets people reuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► some of their code from UI kit maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► with small tweaks but a lot of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► skills I like to kind of know a table of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► use work I know how buttons work I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► how you know animations and transitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► work right and there's tons of new stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► you have to learn to with menus and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► on and so forth but that's one approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► a second approach is make a new toolkit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► and unfortunately Apple has really used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► up all the a lot of the good names it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► a kit for making apps we can't call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► app kid it's a UI q I'll not forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► about that one it's an H I tool button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► oh never mind like they really use H I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► kid is one of the ones I've heard like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► you can combine kit with anyway come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► with a new framework that looks almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► exactly like UI Kipp is it presently the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► rocket represents the best thinking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► company has about how to make a UI but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► with changes to fundamental things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► it that allow it to handle all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► things the Mac does menus cursors you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► know scroll bars blah blah and also all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► the things you eye kid does so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► the that's the kind of the actual sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► of grand unified like there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► framework to write applications for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► everything and that would mean that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► not a shim on top of app kit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► presumably they would implement whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► behaviors they implemented would define [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► going forward what it means to be Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► like right as opposed to now where app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► kit defines what it means to be a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► like more or less an Afghan itself was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► influenced by being smushed together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► with carbon and a chai toolkit and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► that other stuff that's why that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► what defines our app a definition of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► like and that definition change from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► classic Mac OS as well so it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► the definition of Mac like can't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► but yeah an entirely new framework to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► it and that new framework would also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► the same new framework that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► for iOS so when you wrote your iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► application you would also you this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► framework that can do everything the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► risks and that are hey why you messin up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► all these these iOS developers days well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► I learned all this UI kit stuff and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► I have to learn this new thing yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► looks like not like you are capable why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► do I want to use that if it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5878">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► you like it but suddenly different with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► a bunch of mad crap that I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► about why would I learn that so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► that is more difficult to pull off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► risky but potentially the reward is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► finally Apple has one way to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► applications for all its platforms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► you know they have a unified API but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► all these solutions and I think the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► place where this any of these solutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► are gonna be really hard to come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► something that ends up being you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► win for all involved is you know as this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► headline you know incorrectly states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► everybody Apple still seems dedicated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► the idea that a mouse pointer and cursor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► and like you know the Mac user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► applications that work like that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► different than applications that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► when you're touching them with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► finger and fundamental important ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► and there's really no way to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► one magic application just naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► works everywhere I made a tweet earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► today was write thrice run anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► which is a joke on the old java thing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► write once run anywhere write thrice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► means even if it is a unified toolkit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► and it's the same thing everywhere you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► use Xcode use one framework and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► write an application that runs on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► essentially two quote unquote right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► thrice which means you have to write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► Mac version and do all the stuff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► the menus and the keyboard shortcuts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► the drag-and-drop and everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► the Mac has to do and you know right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► have to write the iPhone version which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► is a known quantity and you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► write the iPad version it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► why do you have to write the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► version that's not another version ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► somebody with an iOS app if the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► version comes are free because they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► UIKit it does not come for free you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► to not write it thrice like it three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► times the application but just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► the screen gets bigger you have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► let me three think how my application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► works right I have to add new elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► to it I have to potentially add new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► features you know like it's not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► to just be in a phone app that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► stretched to be a little bit wider so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► there's no way of avoiding having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► write a good application for every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5997">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► the platform's continue to be different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► in both form factor and in the case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► the Mac you know interface paradigm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► that's very different and an environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► yeah any no no framework no UI framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:13 ◼ ► will ever eliminate that work all it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6013">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► do is say the only work you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► is that work to make a good a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► application of Marxism a good app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► you won't have to relearn how like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► colors work right you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► relearn how like to play audio like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► know just that that they'll unify the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► underlying things and have one unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► framework and one unified language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► IDE and one unified binary but you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► different applications of three very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:42 ◼ ► different forms and by the way the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6042">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► which you know they could unify that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► well and not have watchkit and have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► would be a variant of this thing if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► want to go whole hog but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► there's no avoiding that it's not one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► framework one language you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► maybe not even that if they end up going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6058">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► with the Shem approach so I believe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► have to do this but boy there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► ways it could mess up and so I I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► them luck so if if they go whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► framework so they make a chai kit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► whatever you want to call it I mean come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► on it's Swift there's nowhere just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► called kit well in it's funny it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► you say that because my question was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► going to be do they abandon Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► I don't see why that would be either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► productive or necessary but Marco do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► think they would abandon Objective C and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► this hypothetical a chai kit I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► it's scheduled if it's intended to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► know be in development now and come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► in in like a year or two maybe but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► time goes on on a finite time scale you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► know in a few like the longer it is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► now I think the more likely that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► would be the approach but yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► I'm not even gonna say it's unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6118">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► even now I would say that that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► reasonable like I don't think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► be overly aggressive to make kit require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:10 ◼ ► Swift like to be a swift only framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6130">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► that's different than saying Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:15 ◼ ► is gone because like even if they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6135">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► objective-c runtime around for a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► really long time because it's how Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► calls in to all the other code right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► it you know so like but that's not were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► talk we're just I'm like would you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► to write it in Objective C right the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► thing I think they probably will do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► no 32-bit ever four well yeah this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► is the Mac itself as it exists is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► lose 32-bit probably next year right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► that's that's a gimme it's possible that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► depending on the timelines if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► switch the Mac to arm this could be arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► only depending on you know is this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► year five year or whatever you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:52 ◼ ► that timeline could coincide to simplify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6172">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► matters these are all low-level things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:55 ◼ ► they're really in the end don't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6175">TS</a>]
01:42:57 ◼ ► like I think we're into it because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6177">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► know either software developers or into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► software development things and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► interested in the nitty-gritty details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:03 ◼ ► but the bottom line like the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6183">TS</a>]
01:43:07 ◼ ► perspective is Apple's plan to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6187">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► to sell devices of different sizes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► different forms utility so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► things that we call max things that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► call iPhones things that we call iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:20 ◼ ► things that we call watchers all which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6200">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► have different ways to interact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► them some are closer to each other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► other iPads are very similar to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:28 ◼ ► iPhone but a watch is very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6208">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► from both of them and the Mac is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► different from the iOS devices but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► there's a range of hardware devices they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► sell and partly and presumably will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► continue to sell because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► giving up on that range like they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► you know they can make new hybrids like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► Jason and I talked to an upgrade about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► an iOS laptop like there's other form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► factors that can be explored and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► other one is obviously touch coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► the Mac and how that might influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► Microsoft is a beginning of this topic I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6234">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► think that's an important lesson because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6237">TS</a>]
01:43:59 ◼ ► Microsoft for all its success or failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6239">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► in actually pulling this off was way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► ahead on the thinking of we're gonna try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► to make one software platform that lets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:09 ◼ ► you write applications for all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► different weird form factors and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:14 ◼ ► have laptops that are convertible into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6254">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► tablets but have touch screens on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► but they also have tablets in at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► time they had phones and they tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► run the whole range with a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► unified platform that you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► for I forget what was their thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► like wnp or something like that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► something yeah that that approach if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► Apple could snap its fingers and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► something like that now they would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► to have it because the hard work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► coming up with a free single framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► that could span all those things but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► interesting part is so can I buy a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► from Apple where it like runs Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► know it runs Adobe Photoshop like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6296">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► legacy version but also I can get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► the new apps but also I can touch a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► screen but also it looks like a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► like the the unified apple platform is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► time to make different decisions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► the boundaries between these things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► you can get rid of the Mac iOS whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:14 ◼ ► distinction and try to have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6314">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► exciting economics for now that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► whole the can of worms but like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► it is an opportunity to revisit how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► those boundaries are drawn because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► you're making a new framework or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► know a new shim type framework or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► whatever it is that you're doing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► an opportunity to consider how could the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► Mac be different in ways that allow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► to make touch a useful interface for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► Macs and if you've used the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:40 ◼ ► convertible or laptop with a touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6340">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► or whatever you have some experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► with this a Microsoft is way ahead in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► both figuring out what makes sense for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► touching the screens of PCs for lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► a better term and also making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► frameworks that allow you to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► Apple's lucky that they just haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6357">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► been particularly successful in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6358">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► market with their approach but like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► Microsoft has done many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► attempts at this and from all accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► each time they try their new surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► whatever thing and the new operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► system that runs on it makes a an ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► more compelling case for being open to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► different form factors and different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► kinds of input instead of the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► rather rigid boundary certainly between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► the Mac and iOS but arguably also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► between like you know the iOS devices of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► different sizes so I'm I'm most excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► from a consumer perspective of seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► Apple like that's what I want out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:37 ◼ ► unified thing is not like yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6397">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► unified technical underpinnings would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► that finally it gives the Apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:44 ◼ ► freedom to spread it to to make new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6404">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► variations along the spectrum instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► being siloed into this is what a max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:51 ◼ ► like and this is what a phone is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6411">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► and they're so different for each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► and there's no crossover and don't try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► to do it no iOS laptops no touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:58 ◼ ► max never never never if it's a unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6418">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► platform there's no reason for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► distinction anymore and now they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► start exploring different steps along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► the spectrum yeah I actually look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► forward to that because I do think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► pretty clear like the industry and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► consumers have spoken on the issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► like touch laptops and as much as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► says this isn't a good experience nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► wants this it turns out a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:22 ◼ ► want it and they do it anyway and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6442">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► try it and they touch their screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► nothing happens and they get like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► is like Apple is losing that fight in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► the in actuality whether they know it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► not and I think they probably do know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► at this point you know they tried they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► tried like one last-ditch effort with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:38 ◼ ► touch bar and giant trackpads but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6458">TS</a>]
01:47:41 ◼ ► not enough that's not what people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6461">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► actually want what people actually want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► is to have to touch the screen sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:45 ◼ ► or to be able to suck screen sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6465">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► like that's what people are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► doing and wanting and expecting so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► anything that gets us closer to that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► think is a good direction for the Mac to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► take because again the reality is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6476">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► this is what people are doing and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:01 ◼ ► is I think the whole idea of this of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6481">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► like this cross-platform UI framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:06 ◼ ► needing to exist I think you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6486">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► put it well John that like regardless of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:11 ◼ ► what you think people should do here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6491">TS</a>]
01:48:15 ◼ ► know a lot of maxvill person people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6495">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► should just write Mac apps and app kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► and yeah that they should but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► not the reality is very different the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:23 ◼ ► reality is that all the action is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6503">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► happening on iOS in in the Apple world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► they can't get people to care enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► about the Mac to develop a lot of Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► apps anymore the Mac feels increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► like a very stale low priority platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► for a lot of developers including Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► they have to do something to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► easier for people to bring max mac apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► over and if they don't we're gonna keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► we're gonna have the situation we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► now on the Mac that's going to slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► worsen which is right now we already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► have like tons of major applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6537">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► that are either that are not available [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:02 ◼ ► on the Mac that or the or that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6542">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► really neglected low priority Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► versions like the Twitter app you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► and then we have a lot of apps that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► oh just use the web app and I'm good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► myself obviously Netflix is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► example because you can't even watch 4k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► Netflix on a Mac because there's no 4k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:22 ◼ ► support probably some dumb copyright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► reason right exactly and like there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► many types of apps where the answer on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► the Mac is either a sorry we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► support it or juice use our web app best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► for something for a lot of complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► things like slack you get these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► weird web native apps that nobody likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6578">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► because they're terrible in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► ways and perform badly and use all your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► RAM and aren't Mac like and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► else so like anything like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► status quo that's the reality like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► reality is app kit is the past it's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► and as as capable as it is the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6594">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► otherwise economics have said otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► and people's attention has it has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► otherwise it in many ways it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► similar to Swift versus Objective C in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► that Objective C like for people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► who know it really well Swift came along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► and we're like we don't need I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► need that that like I I want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► keep using the thing I already know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► to use it's totally fine but the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► was one of the reasons they did need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► Swift looked we we talked about at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► time it came out is that it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► Objective C was old and crufty and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► developers were actively avoiding write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► a Objective C because it was old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► crufty and it would didn't fit modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► aesthetics for programming languages app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► kit has that problem as an as an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► API like app kit is really old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► crufty and when an iOS developer sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:53 ◼ ► advocate for the first time it is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6653">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► positive impression at all and any and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► and as an iOS developer working through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► this and I know other people who've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:02 ◼ ► the same thing it's like it's really it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6662">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► doesn't ever let up like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► like when you when you first discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► automatically for you you're like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:13 ◼ ► this is really capable this is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6673">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► but there's just so much friction in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► getting those interfaces developed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► frameworks like I'll do all the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► stuff a lot of the you know data types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:25 ◼ ► and stuff a lot of those things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6685">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► already unified like a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► networking like there's so much stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► that is already unified between two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► platforms the main area where this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► necessary is the UI layer and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► just so many differences it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► differently between a Mac OS and iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► it's a huge barrier to developing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► the Mac it is so hostile and unfriendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► and and you can't look up help on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► web because there's almost no results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► for it and it's just it's it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6716">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► friendliness and I know that's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► if you know if you're familiar with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► if you're an expert in app kit you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► see it that way but for all the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► the iOS developers who are not familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► with it that is how it is so even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► it is fine for its current developers it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► needs to change because the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► has changed around it so something has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► to happen here and the Mac if they gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► the Mac its own completely new UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:31 ◼ ► framework that was not shared with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6751">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► anything look what happened with TV OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► TV OS had that it had a whole new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► framework that was mostly not UI kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:39 ◼ ► kind of has its own stuff it although it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6759">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► has way more in common with UI kit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► app kit does and making a TV OS app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► really uncompelled because you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► rewrite your entire UI from scratch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► it's just not very good watch OS has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► similar problem like watch kit is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► little like you like it and although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► it's still way more like at the napkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6777">TS</a>]
01:52:59 ◼ ► and and making a watchkit app is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6779">TS</a>]
01:53:02 ◼ ► not compelling because it's a these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6782">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► like smaller usage platforms the iPad is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► a great example and I think probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► honestly a big part of why this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► thing might be might be done on the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► you know John you said earlier like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► know you don't get an iPad app for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:18 ◼ ► but you do get it for cheap like like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6798">TS</a>]
01:53:22 ◼ ► phone app to port to the iPad is effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6802">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► but it's not a ton of effort it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► nowhere near the amount of effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► because he uses the same UI framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:30 ◼ ► but then like to make a good iPad app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6810">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► you have to redesign some part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► overcast iPad app is used by something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► like 5% or less of people I use it every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► day but most most people don't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:41 ◼ ► but it was you know it's about 5% extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6821">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► work to do it also so like it was worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► it to me and and yeah it could be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► it could be more optimized but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► doesn't need to be like right now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► fine on the iPad there's no glaring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► shortcomings with it it's totally fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6837">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► and I didn't it didn't need to be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:01 ◼ ► much work and it isn't that much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6841">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► maintenance headache ongoing if the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► can be anywhere near that I don't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► I don't I don't expect a Mac the Mac to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► be as easy to port it to be harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► because you got menus and all and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► touch interface right right so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► gonna be the same it's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► as easy as porting from you know to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► to the iPad from from iPhone but if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► can be somewhere near that if it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:26 ◼ ► like only three times harder instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6866">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► 20 times harder like that's a huge huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:32 ◼ ► gain that could lead to so many more Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6872">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► apps and and honestly I know as you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► John honestly I think I'm not sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► Mac has much of a choice because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► something like this it's just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► keep stagnating and it will die that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:50 ◼ ► it like that is that is the future of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6890">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► the Mac it has no future if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► find a way to make it easier to develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:56 ◼ ► apps for the Mac if you already have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6896">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► all the other way that have a future is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► to sell a hundred times more Mac's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► that's that's a tall order yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► if you could suddenly sell as many maxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► you so iPhones this problem takes care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► of itself and people just continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► write an app kit and you're fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► that's not the reality right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► so one more technical thing on this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► is not this is not likely but I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► thinking about ways you could possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► get this win another problem Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► with its platforms arguably and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:27 ◼ ► we can debate what the causes are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6927">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► there's a lot of applications a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► applications are only available on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► applications to be available on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► devices but for a variety of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► that's not always the case now if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► make a unified UI framework depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► how you do it we're talking about a shim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► layer that lets you basically write with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► a UI kit like API but they call zap get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► stuff under the covers as a quicker way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► to let people reuse some of their code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6954">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► and skills to write Mac applications you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:59 ◼ ► could make something like that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6959">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► reverse direction to let someone take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► application and and allow it to run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► iOS with some changes to make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► for touch I'm sure Apple I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► know babbles frustrated by this but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► know a lot of users are frustrated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► the fact that there's no Photoshop for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► the iPad right Adobe makes a Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► for the iPad but it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► Photoshop Photoshop it's like then Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► makes a bunch of applications that try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:26 ◼ ► to play to the strengths of the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6986">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► platform but none of them is full none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:29 ◼ ► of them are full fledged Photoshop like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6989">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► there and there other companies trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► to pick up that slack say find Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► you're not gonna do it trust me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► don't want to do it important Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► to the capability wise like affinity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► makes a bunch of great applications and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:41 ◼ ► well-known one there's Pixelmator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7001">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► picture meter pro affinity a core and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:46 ◼ ► whole lotta a whole lot of good ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► yeah there's a lot of applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► are targeted but like but there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► applications that are only on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► and you say well it's because the Mac is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► powerful enough and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7014">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► like all the excuses for why there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7015">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► only iMac eventually will come down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7017">TS</a>]
01:56:58 ◼ ► well it's written in this framework that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7018">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► doesn't run on iOS and we're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► rewrite our whole application gets is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► really big and complicated I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► only companies that can afford to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► stuff like that are Microsoft and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► Microsoft Word and Excel kind of a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:13 ◼ ► only like they're very different if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7033">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► framework and shim layer or something or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:21 ◼ ► developers with some amount of work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7041">TS</a>]
01:57:25 ◼ ► is less than rewriting their entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7045">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► application which is you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► pretty easy to at that bar some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:29 ◼ ► smaller amount of work and rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7049">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► everything and UIKit let them sell their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► well-known well-established extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► powerful application for the 20 new 27 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► inch iPad pro that is a compelling case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► and it solves it solves Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:44 ◼ ► problems in that well now suddenly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7064">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► can address this market with your skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► that you have right but that's not why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:49 ◼ ► cares about that gazelle just lets the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7069">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► smack developers retire and die whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► who cares it solves the problem Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:54 ◼ ► has which is hey we would really like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7074">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► if we could get way more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7077">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► powerful applications on iOS Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► been trying that for a long time that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► why the iPad pro exists and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► happening it is happening slowly but one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► way to get a nice boost of complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► powerful applications if you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► somehow make that happen now I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► that is not a big enough app side for up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:15 ◼ ► side of people to undertake this it kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7095">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► of goes against what we're trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► people to do is to get people to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► writing a napkin and who cares about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► 10 Mac developers compared to the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:24 ◼ ► know thousand X number of them that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7104">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► on the other platform so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► this will happen but for the briefest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► moment I had the idea of like all our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► greatest and favorite Mac applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► suddenly having cool iOS versions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► making iOS a more powerful platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► giving new life to Mac developers but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► think that it's extremely unlikely but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► it makes gives me a warm fuzzy to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:47 ◼ ► about it so one final question because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7127">TS</a>]
01:58:51 ◼ ► can't help myself let's assume for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7131">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► sake of discussion that there's a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► complete break and it's not just a shim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► it's a completely new H Ike it do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► think that Apple would follow the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► like delegation everywhere pattern that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► that UI kid has today and I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► think of a way to summarize delegation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► easily and I can't think of a great one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► but you wanted to all be reactive well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► that's exactly what I'm driving at may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► be reactive app get as delegates all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► over the place - is that what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► comparing it to a delegation app kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► style I would say delegation as compared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► to react style stuff like functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► reactive programming your so it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► have to be FRP it doesn't have to be rx [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► Swift necessarily but like anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► that's more modern than delegation even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► admittedly Apple is moving toward but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:46 ◼ ► like yeah something more modern than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7186">TS</a>]
01:59:48 ◼ ► delegation do you think that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7188">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► a slight step forward such as closures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► everywhere or do you think it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7195">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► whole hog like we're going to just burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7197">TS</a>]
00:00:00 ◼ ► it feels like I haven't talked to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► gentlemen for seven days it definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► hasn't been 48 hours definitely not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/4">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► has been exactly seven days since we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/7">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► last spoke allegedly and boy there sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/9">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► was a lot of news seven days ago so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/11">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► think we should talk about that now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► think that sounds like a good idea are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/17">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► we doing any sort of pre-show or are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/19">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► just gonna skip that I think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/20">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► the pre-show so we're gonna start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/22">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► some follow-up and I'll be stoddard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/26">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► right saying there's an Apple support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/27">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► document entitled about secure boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/28">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► security is the default secure boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► setting offering the highest level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► security and this was it with regard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/38">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► the t2 chip the liquid metal chip that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/40">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► is in the iMac Pro and it is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► where it will only let you boot stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► that Apple signs in quasi not really at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► all accurate summary so which one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► guys put this in here any other thoughts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/56">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► yeah just put it in there because are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/58">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► pretending that we're regarding this not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► recording this two days after the pop-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/64">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► and this is a straightforward follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► we didn't know what the default was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► follow-up seven days ago about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► interesting that the cranked up security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► is the default one piece remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► full security setting was the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► doesn't even let you boot if you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► old version of the OS and I'm having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► hard time figuring out who would find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/85">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► other than enterprise people and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/92">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► know my old definition of enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/94">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► software of like the people buying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/95">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► software and other people using it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► an enterprise situation is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/99">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► people deciding how the computers work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/101">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► are picking things based on how easy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► is for them to manage the computers not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► based on how nice it is for the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► who have to use the computers to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/112">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► them but even though even for in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/112">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► enterprise scenario enterprise people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► don't want their computers automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/116">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► updating without them having extensively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► software on them is compatible with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/121">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► so I don't know that the Apple phrase is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/122">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► this as being like the iPhone oh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/125">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► like the I thought all this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/127">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► physical security you know so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/128">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► stronger than the old just firmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/130">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► password now it's like an iOS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► but iOS devices don't refuse to boot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► unless you up them and then they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/136">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► they're pretty naggy about it telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/137">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► you hey there's a new update look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/138">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► this red badge and your Settings app but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/140">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► they don't that you know they don't for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► actually force the update on you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/144">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► that's not must understanding how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/145">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► full security works but anyway when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► Marco gets his Mac Pro he will be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► to confirm this default and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► suppose like just wait for the first dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/152">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► release of High Sierra to come out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/155">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► then reboot and see if it demands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/156">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► you update you'll be a good guinea pig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/159">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► right well I it's I think we yeah a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/160">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► of this remains to be seen but one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/163">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► I misunderstood about it that I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► I've it seems like their language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/166">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► such that they don't necessarily require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/168">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► you to have the latest they say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/170">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► they they can prevent you from booting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/173">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► versions that Apple no longer trusts so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► I think what that could mean and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/179">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► not from PR this is just from things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► I've read on the internet what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► probably means is like if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► version of the OS that is an older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► version that that security holes were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► discovered in and somebody tries to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► you know boot that maybe or install over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► your OS with that so they can get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► your stuff maybe that's what it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► it's preventing which is a legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/199">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► security concern because I can't imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/201">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► like if it's actually just like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/204">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► hey the newest version is you know ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► point thirteen point seven or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/210">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► first of all what mechanism doesn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► question but if it you know assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/215">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► that the secure boot Enclave protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► unit we know whatever is enforcing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/221">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► assuming that doesn't like the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/223">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► you're running I can't imagine it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/225">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► just like brick your computer like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/228">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► probably about preventing you from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/231">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► rolling it back it's not it's gonna die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/232">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► it's not gonna break it it's gonna it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► gonna download the update but but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► your computer can download updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► approving it like I yeah like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► boot it will download the update before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► procedures like up I'm gonna boot but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/247">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► wait a second I gotta do an update first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/249">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► and so it will download front it'll know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► version is it'll know from the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► all the information about like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/254">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► this is what this is the advantage slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► whatever of having a whole other CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/258">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► that you know that there is a procedure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► to boot up the T to chip and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/263">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► and they're looking at balls information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/266">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► downloading the software update applying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/268">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► it to your computer someone suffers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/270">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► but your idea about the fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► not just like it has to be the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/273">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► but that it's only in cases where Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/274">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► absolutely don't want anyone running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/277">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► that would make more sense to me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► if they do like a point release where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/281">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► they fix like a bug in mail or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► you know you don't want you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► the thing to force that update or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► an update from Sierra to hi Sierra like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► presumably the very last version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► Sierra or whatever it was ten twelve six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► or whatever doesn't have any terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/296">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► security flaws so it wouldn't force you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► to download High Sierra when you boot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► would only force you to update if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► was some terrible security flaw in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/306">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► one you had I don't know we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/308">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► rather you'll see because you'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► this thing I mean that's the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/312">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► that I can figure that this makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/313">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► implementation of this I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► wreak havoc and nobody would leave it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► Enterprise IT managers want is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► computers forcing them to update their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/326">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► their OS like without them doing it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► approving it or testing it like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/331">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► the last thing I prize people would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/333">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► so I I have to imagine this is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► like just not letting you know law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► enforcement take your computer over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► overwrite your OS with an older version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► that they have some tool that can hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/345">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► and get your stuff like that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/346">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► enterprise people do want you not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/349">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► able to boot their computers off thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/352">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► know disk they do want you not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/353">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► able to install like malware on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► computers where people have like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/357">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► you're running a computer lab and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/358">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► college and you have kind of public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/359">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► computers a lot of these features appeal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► in that scenario of sort of protecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/363">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► the computer from the outside it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► like the final straw is like oh and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► the way also updates may be forced on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/368">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► you and that is you know that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► bridge too far yeah I don't expect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► this would be used to aggressively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► aggressively force along the stragglers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► to the point that like Marco you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► still on Sierra not High Sierra on most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► of your machines is that right on half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► of my machines how many machines do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► have oh wait no I have the Mac Mini most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/392">TS</a>]
00:06:34 ◼ ► I wish forgot about the Mac Mini it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/394">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► just like a headless server but the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/397">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► work actually at this point if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► secured boot it would probably refuse to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► start because of its age anyway I bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/404">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► this up to say maybe had only run on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/408">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► third of its performance because can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/409">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► not talk about that we're definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/414">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► talking about that that was a huge deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► seven days ago it was a huge deal like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/417">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► two or three weeks ago and everyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► been begging begging us to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/422">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► and I really have no interest in it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/424">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► we'll talk about it anyway the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/425">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► I think at this point you know a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► of months on this may be the time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► when a secure when a secure boot thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► may starts to compel you or try I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/434">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► I was gonna say try but I guess it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► compel you to upgrade to High Sierra but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► personally I can't imagine if I if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► were to get an iMac Pro or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► whatever computers come with this in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/446">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► future I don't think I would turn this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► from anything but full security like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► update not day zero or day one if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► will but I update reasonably quickly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► I don't think that personally I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► have any reason to crank this down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/459">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► it sounds like the two of you guys would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► mark oh is that what you're saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► security it depends so I'm gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/466">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► over the next negative three to six days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/469">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► but it's it's it has to be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/472">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► more like preventing you from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/476">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► overriding the OS with an old hacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► version it has to be yeah you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► imagine it's like I can't imagine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► gonna like I'm gonna wake up my computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► one day and it's gonna say nope sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► ciara anymore like that's that I that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► don't think that's going that's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/490">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► what they do because that again that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► would just wreak havoc with so many like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/493">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► big installations and people's needs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► everything I can't imagine so I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► give it the benefit of the doubt and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/499">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► leave it on the default which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/500">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► full security and you know if I'm proven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► wrong in my research three or six days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/503">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► ago then maybe I'll change mine if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/505">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► screenshot that cable had posted but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► different than the screenshot that is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/514">TS</a>]
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00:16:30 ◼ ► the screen on for a while if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► looking at it again I it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/992">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► like it's worth the power it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/996">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► seem like they have the physical space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► to put the sensors on the front of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/998">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► don't think they intend for you to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► looking at the watch without touching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► for very long anyway alright John any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► other thoughts if it had the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► power to do the face detection dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► power all the cameras and have them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► all the things they should spend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► battery power and having a watch face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► probably different amounts but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► that's the goal I think that's a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► goal like to basically get to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► where the watch face never turns off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► using using whatever better technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► better screens whatever they have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► and so this in-between thing where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► burn a lot of battery energy trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► be super smart about when you turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► screen on and off seems like a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► max Velasco not writes in I'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► market for a raid zero external SSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► storage I'm wondering what you what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► use and what you'd recommend I'm on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 2 machine but I'm open to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► backwards compatible Thunderbolt 3 Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► if you happen to be using one thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► for any advice I have precisely zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► input on this so Marco take it away as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► Tiff's iMac has had a four drive raid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► zero SSD Thunderbolt 2 enclosure for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► so I have I have a direct experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► they're nothing special they tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► come with really loud crappy fans I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► replace the fan and hers with a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► quieter knock to a super quiet fan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► that was a very very good upgrade to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► to it that didn't seem to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► life of anything at all because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► really just cooling the very very hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► thunderbolt chip that's inside it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► really no but SSDs don't need much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► schooling themselves so it's fine it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► we've never had any problems with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► like you know disconnecting or failing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► or anything like that but they are it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► a fairly expensive solution a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► better solution if I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► what Max's needs are here but if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► all if you can at all avoid having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► external raid enclosure you'll be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► off for it if you can either just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► like one big disk of some sort or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► can use network storage like an ass or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► generally better it's just less hassle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► and less crap and unless you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► hardware to break and maintain but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► you still want to do this the enclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► sales.com I think it was a few hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► dollars maybe for just for the enclosure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► you know anything anything involving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► thunderbolt interface it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► be cheap another option that you have is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► to use the built-in software raid in Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► OS I know I don't think that applies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► a PFS yet but but that right John do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► know what do you want to know if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► do software raid at all with a PFS yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► I don't remember I remember have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► same vague memory as you do that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► was a bunch of limitations I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► might have taken it away with AP FS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► I'm not sure yeah anyway so if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► do software raid still with whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► your file system needs are another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► option you have if the performance of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► this won't be too bad is to just get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► bunch of really inexpensive USB 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► enclosures because you can get a USB 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► as sd enclosure for like 15 bucks and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► have a few of these from from my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► important part bus back yes and bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► powered right and because you know SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► internal power so that way like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► avoid having not only like additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► cable clutter but also if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► eliminate some devices own power supply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► from your set up you eliminate a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► failure and weirdness because those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► little like power bricks that come with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► everything are terrible like they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► aren't very reliable they fail all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► not to mention that they're big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► bulky and ugly so anything that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► bus powered is generally a gain for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► here and because you're powering SSDs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► and not big spinning disks you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► looking away with that so if you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► away with just a handful of cheap USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► enclosures if that will work for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► performance and throughput needs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► will be way cheaper and just a simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► setup in general but again it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► depends on what you need if you do still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► enclosure I've had totally fine luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► with the oh do with the o WC I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► called it the Thunder Bay mini or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► something that is it's the one that held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► specifically for two and a half inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► it's Thunderbolt from what WC and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► a very loud fan until you put it not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► a fan in there Joshua Rodgers writes do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► any of you use any soundproofing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► acoustic material in the room that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► podcast in to help with audio recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► quality I will start I used to before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► forthcoming kid I used to use literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► a fleece blanket that I push pinned into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► the wall behind my iMac and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► enough sound deadening to get the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► Marco had told me very early on that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► was echoing quite a bit and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► probably during the neutral time in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► and something in like 2013 or there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► abouts I push pin to this blanket to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► wall and it stayed up for about four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► oh he moved rooms now we have some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► of soundproofing something or other that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► I think Marco you might have recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► that I will put a link in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► soundtracks Pro maybe I'll have to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► through my Amazon order history it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► soundtracks bro no definitely not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► I probably got something considerably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► cheaper knowing me so I will put links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► to both of these things into the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► notes and basically I have I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► panel of nine of these so so let me back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► up a half-step so my iMac and my desk is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► in between two two windows above the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► iMac as a panel of nine I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► foot long by foot wide sound-deadening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► things and so there's basically the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► behind my iMac is all sound deadening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► material there's nothing on the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► wall because it's far enough away not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► that this room is that big but it's far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► enough away that I don't think it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► I wanted a link to the thumbtacks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► you use they kept the fleece blanket on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► your wall for four years because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► police blanket that I want to hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► the wall you know I'll use I'll use some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► terrorists case he would say pushpins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► I'll use thumbtacks to put it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► wall I would think within five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► that thing would fall down did you use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► hundred of them are these the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► best thumbtack no it was it was not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► terribly heavy nor thick fleece blanket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► I'm sure I have a picture somewhere of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► it but I don't know if I could dig it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► easily but it was not a very heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► blanket by any means it was fairly thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1377">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► do you think you feel like you made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► difference well Marco I mean this in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► Marco complained and moaned about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► echoes and then I put that up and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► he stopped complaining and moaning about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► my echoes so either he figured out a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► around it that's how I show my approval [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► when Marco stops complaining you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► he's you know he's happy but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► Marco tell me again what you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► sound treks soundtrack soundtracks DRA X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► Pro there you go my Amazon you get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► a decent sized pack for like 40 or 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► bucks with like if with like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► like eight one by four foot sections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► something like that they also make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► larger ones if you want to do like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► wall you can you can get larger panels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► that are about two by five four two by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► four feet that's that I have a few of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► those behind my computer yeah so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► the kind of thing so it does help to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► treat the room with soft things to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► you sound better a lot of times people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► go a little overboard with it and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► just kind of keep going because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► think they need it or it just looks cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► professional podcaster to have sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► deadening material you know in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► entire office but usually you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► as much of it as people use and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► there's lots of alternatives that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► will work just as well you're hanging a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► blanket on the wall was totally fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► because what you basically need is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► the room to be to be filled with as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► soft things as possible that can avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► that's what you're trying to avoid here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► is is you're not trying to insulate like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► sound insulation to like make the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► soundproof so that people outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► room can't hear you and that outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► sounds can't get in that's not what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► is that's a different thing and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► and you don't do that for 50 bucks all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► we're doing here is trying to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► echoes of sound bouncing around hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► surfaces of the room and so some places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► just don't need this like one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► reasons why like it's like sometimes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► joked like when podcasters have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► record like in our closets for some for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► because closets are small spaces filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► with soft clothing so there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► there's no echoes that can be had if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► think about the opposite the worst place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► you could record would be like in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► bathroom like with with like a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► especially like if you ever like moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► out of an apartment and you you've like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► you've already packed up like the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► curtain and all your towels from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► bathroom so it's just totally empty you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► notice how incredibly echoey it is with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► with no soft things in there so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► going for the opposite of that like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► generally just want soft things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► room that doesn't have to be sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► tremendously and you know just having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► blankets around like if you have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► like a you know a giant open hard floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► put a blanket or a rug on it while you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► record but the best that you can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► as casey mention with the blanket the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► best place to put something soft is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► whatever cert whatever wall or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► else is behind the microphone because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► towards a microphone the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1557">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► that you're gonna get those echoes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► they're gonna be bouncing off the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► behind the mic you know your sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► going to go pass the mic bounce off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► wall behind it and then get fed back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► into the mic as an echo from the back or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► from the size or whatever else anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► you can do to minimize sound echoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► from right behind the mic you will see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► large result from that it can be sounder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► material if you're looking for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► you know more like a permanent kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► setup that you can hang up and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► leave there for years and be done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► it yeah go for something go for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► kind of acoustic foam and honestly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► doesn't really matter what you caustic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► foam you get there they're not very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► different all you're looking for is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► soft squishy material to absorb the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► echoes I like the soundtracks pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► because it looks cool has this nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► like swirly kind of hexagon like pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► so that's kind of fun but you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► doesn't really matter you can get pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► much anything and pretty much any price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► and it'll work about the same a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► thing that you should consider if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► is a problem for you consider using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► microphones that are that come highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► recommended on like gear guides and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► stuff and how to podcast and even become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► recommended from podcasters who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► don't have a lot of experience with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► other microphones a lot of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► inexpensive large diaphragm cardioid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► condenser z' this includes things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► entry-level microphones basically if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► it's a condenser and you spent less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► 200 bucks for it it's probably one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► these the problem with these they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► sound very nice and crisp and they pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► up a lot of detail in your voice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► they also pick up like if a pin drops in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► the room like they'll pick up any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► background noise and as a result they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► also very very easily pick up echo from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► the walls if you just use a mic with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► different pickup pattern some people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► you have to use a dynamic mic this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► not actually the case you have to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► super cardioid mic that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► actually want it can be a condenser or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► dynamic it should be super cardioid or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► hyper-cardioid what you're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► and I did a whole review you can listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► to audio samples what you're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► basically is the shure beta 87a that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► what you're looking at it is about 250 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► it's an XLR mic not a USB mic I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► know of any USB super cardioid podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► microphones if anyone knows of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► please let me know but what this does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► the super cardioid pickup pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► it basically tightens and narrows the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► area from which it picks up sound so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► will pick up a lot less sound coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► from different directions and coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► from further away from the mic which in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► turn will kind of inherently reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► amount of echo it picks up it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► really nice a little reduce the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► of background noise it picks up like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► somebody you know you know breaks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► plate in the next room over like you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► will hear a much quieter version of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► than you would on a different pickup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► pattern because it's just the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► drops off further the more you go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► from the mic so anything you can do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► narrow that pickup pattern that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► serve you very well in the mic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► you won't need to do as much babying of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► the room yeah you know it's really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► I was using a rode podcaster for I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► know something like the first year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► I was doing this with you two fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► gentlemen and then I am now using what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► do I have I don't have the 87 I have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► 58 a is that right yes remember you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► should switch to the 87 a by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► yeah I guess I guess it's you sound what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► you sound good enough that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► bother you about it that's the mark of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► approval it really is it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► tremendous the difference because right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► now you know my my mouth is within an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► inch of the pop filter not the pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► filter but the a foam on the edge of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► microphone and if I if I were to turn my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► mouth and maybe do something like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► other direction it is tremendous the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► difference that that makes and if I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► you know 180 you can barely even hear me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► it's really crazy what what a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► cardioid super cardioid yeah and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► yeah the beta 58a is a supercar do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► dynamic mic it is it is very good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► very good for the price it's it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► little it's a little bit like Bumi and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► fat in like the mid bass frequency area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► yeah it is I mean but for that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► price it's it's pretty good but but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► recommend it you know if you can if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► have a setup that can take an XLR mic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► and you can spend whatever that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► like a hundred and sixty bucks for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► save up another 80 bucks and get the 87 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► a instead it's better yeah this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► hundred and sixty you're right and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► you say the 87 a is 60 more than Soviet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► John what is your situation with regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► to sound deadening material John does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► not count John has an inexpensive large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► diaphragm condenser microphone expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► like 350 bucks or something wasn't it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► well you probably I think the most it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► ever cost was 250 but still yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► have the PG assure PG 42 USB it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► sounds incredible it sounds very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► good but it is an incredibly picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► microphone for room dynamics because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► it's a what I mentioned earlier it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► kind of picks up like a needle dropping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► however all the rules of this microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► ceased to apply in John Syracuse's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► office and I don't know why and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► never wanted to tell him to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► anything because for some reason that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► have that I cannot fathom or figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► he does not have any echo there's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► any noise or his on the track any that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► although all the problems that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► usually get with this type of condenser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► and I bought that exact microphone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► but for some reason it's perfect for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► John so I don't like the rules didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► apply in John's office well some rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► do I mean material for getting to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► question the main reason I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► sound deadening material is back when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► were all buying sound foam and stuff of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► course mark I bought this worldly one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► that he was just telling you about and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► went I'm like oh I should get that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► sorority stuff Marco got and I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► the web page where they sell it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► was $60 and my interpretation was it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► $60 for one rectangle and then I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► at how much how many rectangles Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► has on his balls Mike well Marco you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► know all right fine but no way in hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► I'm in I'm spending 60 $60 times you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► know 12 to put foam on my wall and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► like this is really cool sign I did some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► researching for cheaper foam but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► just like ya know I'm just not gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► it so anyway now that I know that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► not $60 for one square it's $60 for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► how many is it I think six or twelve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► it's it's enough like the $60 pack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► the one by two sheets whatever that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► that's enough for pretty much anybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► make their setup sound great yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► that sounds more reasonable although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► really annoys me that the pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► doesn't line up if you buy all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► squares that really annoys accent yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► and you and I have some of the big ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► as I mentioned it doesn't line up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► them either but at least with the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► ones you have fewer seams yeah so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► but I don't I still don't have the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► and also I won't ask Marco how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► attached it to his wallet he's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► permanently stuck it on there and if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► ever want to remove it I have to repaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► the wall I was like yeah yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► there's like there's like adhesive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► squares that they recommend that you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► with it and I got those so each one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► them is stuck on with something like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► like a little like two by one inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► adhesive square things like double side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► kind of things and yeah I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► and they haven't fallen off at all which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► is great but I'm pretty sure that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► that's a pretty permanent installation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► for the wall you should use the KC's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► thumbtacks well it's funny you bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► that up we tried to use command strips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► on the foam that we have and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► all fallen over time but I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► memory serves I did get the adhesive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► squares that Marko recommended and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► we put those on the back of the foam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► then command stripped those does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► so it's foam adhesive squares command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► strips and that actually seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► holding pretty well so far that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► you can put it right over the thumbtack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2038">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► holes if you have them but but anyway as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► for as for my room early on in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► series at someone I forget who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► marking do you remember which one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► helpful audio people I'm about to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► about I believe it was Marcus - Paula [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► yes there you go that's probably it sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► us a bunch of advice about what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► doing and what he had to say about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► mic was that he heard a lot of echo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► he surmised that I had my monitor really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► close to my microphone and he was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► and so the only thing I've done to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► podcasting as I moved my monitor farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► away from my microphone or my mic from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► farther away from my monitor I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► think the echo is there it's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► delay is slightly different the thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► think that's good about this room is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► like to my right is a giant bookshelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► and bookshelves are surprisingly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► baffles for sound because of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► little knobbly books you know and little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► gaps between them and behind them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► even even my bookshelves where every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► spine is meticulously lined up it helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► if the spines are uneven I bet it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► this room is carpeted which also helps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► and the windows do have blinds of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► which are also kind of wobbly but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► it's nothing and and the game's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► long my Mike and I have like tons of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► have a double pop filter and a foam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► dreading changing my setup but I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► will eventually when I get my new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► computer and no don't a mumble mumble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► I'm gonna have to because I'm the newbie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► Marco's recommended Mike and Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► hot box with knobs and and for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► brand-new computer and then I'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► that's my that's what I call those like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► you can spend $750 for a hot box with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► knobs yeah it's actually up to like nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► hundred now that the one I like is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► the USB pre to from sound devices like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► so this this is the box that converts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► I've tried a lot of these things there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► lots of them that are totally fine for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► like a hundred fifty bucks but I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► something that was better than totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► fine I want some that was great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► sound devices USB pre 2 is great it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► the kind of thing that if you've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► had a problem or bad performance with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► one of the hundred $50 ones and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► get fed up and you're like can I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► throw money at this problem to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► go away this is the answer to that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► that question and the reason you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► get it John is that it has amazing knobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► like all the other ones have supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► ever touch the knobs no you gotta touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► them you know a couple times never move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► them again you feel any other microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► interfaces knob and you're gonna be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► oh god my toasters better than this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► try these knobs and you're like oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► god I want these knobs on everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► own they're so much better yeah oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► eventually get something new but we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► responsive as week bye hello fresh a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► meal kit delivery service that is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► convenient and really great for $30 off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► your first week of hello fresh visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2216">TS</a>]
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00:37:03 ◼ ► shops plans and delivers your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► step-by-step recipes and pre-measured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► ingredients so you can just cook eat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► enjoy it work with your schedule so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► can choose which day you get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► deliveries on whatever works for you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► you're gonna be out of town or you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► not gonna have time for a week or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► you can just pause your account and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► all the ingredients come in pre-measured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► handy labelled meal kits so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► which ingredients go with which recipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► it's very very easy to unpack very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► to set up and very easy to cook hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2252">TS</a>]
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00:37:36 ◼ ► options for you these are chef curated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2256">TS</a>]
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00:37:40 ◼ ► plans ranging from classic to veggie to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► so if you're say vegetarian they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► options for you there if you're serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► one person two people or a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► people they have options for you too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► they have varieties of meats fish and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► seasonal produce all sorts of wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► vegetarian recipes that plant-based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► proteins grains and seasonal produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► there too it is really really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2278">TS</a>]
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00:38:34 ◼ ► thank you so much - hello fresh for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► sponsoring our show so for the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► significant amount of people tell us in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► various states of anger that we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► take Apple to task about the how iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► are throttling CPU performance when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► batteries get old and how this is horse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► crap and we really need to beat Apple up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► because apparently they think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► people who matter listen to the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► guess what they don't but anyway they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► point is people were really upset about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► this and this has been going on for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► probably about a month now or near bouts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► particularly interesting thing to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► about a particularly particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► interesting topic because I mean hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► guess what as your phones get old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► they're gonna get slow that that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► like I understand that that probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► shouldn't happen that a CPU is the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► is the CPU but I mean hey as stuff gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► older it gets worse as I get older I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► worse and so it stands to reason as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► other things get older maybe they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► get worse too but there's been a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► bunch of activity about this not today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► but seven days ago exactly wherein we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► actually got some information from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► I'm gonna try to do my chief summarizer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► in chief and you guys jump in and or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► know correct me after the fact and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► it sounds like is and I experienced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► with my sex or maybe there's my success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► occasionally it would go from something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► like 20 or 30 percent charge as reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► by the iPhone to get it just turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► infuriating because here it is I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► trying to perform some sort of task and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► my battery says that it's at something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► like a third charge I don't use battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► percentage or I didn't use battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► percentage percentage before the iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► 10 because I'm not a monster and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► anyway III just a lot of friends of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► but regardless well I already made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► friends with my Farenheit discussions so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► you know what why not sorry I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► sorry but anyway the point is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► know I look at the little the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► icon and it says it's about 1/3 full I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► go to perform some sort of operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► suddenly the phone turns off so then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► suddenly it's back at a third battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► and that seems really really weird well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► was happening was that when the CPU or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► other components were really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► asked to do a lot it would cause enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► draw on the battery that the battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► would end up kind of just not failing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► but but just going kaput and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► phone would turn off and that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:19 ◼ ► and so what Apple's decided to do is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2479">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► the battery gets older and as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► realize that the battery can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► handle this anymore they will start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► throttling CPU and so they'll they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► not let the CPU operate at a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► percent speed in order to prevent these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► reasonable engineering solution to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► batteries as they get older they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► crumb here that's the way batteries work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► it may not be the way CPUs work but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► is the way batteries work and so to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► eyes like that's perfectly fine I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► see why everyone has gotten up in arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► about this but oh man a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► are really angry about this and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► part of that is probably because as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► upgrade to the latest versions of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► as you as you have operating systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► that are more and more taxing on the CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► slowdown so not having experienced that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► because I've gone on the complete you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► know douchebag I get a new iPhone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► year train but III had I was not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► on this train and I do remember times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► when at my older phones got a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► slow over time and I think the moral the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► certainly the latest versions of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► aren't really designed to use you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► two plus year old phones maybe three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► four year old phones like and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► thing that we should all be up in arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► about is why is iOS 11 being supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► all the way back to the iPhone 4 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► whatever that's probably not accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2577">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► but just for the sake of conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► the thing that maybe is a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► more controversial but the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► CPU is being slowed down like hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► is making it so your phone doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► spontaneously die but okay fine if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► go ahead maybe that's what we should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► and I think I think it was either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► Panzer marine or a Gruber that said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► think this Panzer II know that said hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► the issue here is really communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► and that Apple never told anyone why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► this was happening and if they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► disclosed hey we've realized that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► spikes in battery draw have caused the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► batteries to temporarily fail and fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► probably in the right word but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► that's why we've throttled your CPUs is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► to prevent that problem and if they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► that up front then I think this wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► be an issue but they didn't and so here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► we are so that is not a very succinct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► nevertheless and I apologize but Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► tell me about this what do you think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► this is it seems like this is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► well-intentioned solution to a very real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► but because of the context that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► complicated and hard to get rid of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► I'll get to in a second so because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► the context and because of the execution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► details of this I think it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► important part here that we've known you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► know anybody who is an Apple fan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► Apple defender in any way ever an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► frequently needs defense because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► misconception about Apple and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► forever right and I think this is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► of why Apple fans are so defensive so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► much at the time because there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► bad information out there about Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► and and they people are always having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► like fight it or correct it and so one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► of the things that a large portion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► believes is that Apple intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► makes their phones slower with every new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► software update to make them buy new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► phones and there is some truth in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► it not in the intentionality of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► there is some truth that new OSS do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► usually run slower on old hardware than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► the ones that they shipped with I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► intentionally III think is grown a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► junker burro today like I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► Apple employees would just quit before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► they would do something as like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► and fraudulent and evil is that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► fact is the new OS is do usually run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► worse on the old hardware than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► shipped with them and that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► because they're you know new OS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► there's new and new animations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► higher memory usage and you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► stuff happening in the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► because it seems like these are designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► to run really well on the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► generation and making them run on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► previous generations is it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► like it's a very high priority to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► that smooth or awesome and maybe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► honestly I don't know maybe it is maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► there's talking people working on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► but the results that people see usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► is that when they update their like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► two-year old phone to the newest OS that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► comes out every fall it's slower and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► gets worse battery life now there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► of complicating factors to this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► make this you know partially true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► partially not true partially the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► you know the behavior of lithium-ion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► batteries over time the progress of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► software over time but the fact is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► is this very widespread belief that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► is planned obsolescence that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► forcing people's phones to be slower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► over time so that people go out and buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► new phones so that is the context in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► which this story now comes out now Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► has been doing this for almost a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► they and even if pens are gonna link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► an article he wrote last February like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► almost a year ago saying like apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► said this about this new update and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► here's what it does because there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► big problem back then about iPhone 6 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► successes I believe as you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► doing like the whole like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► unexpected shutdown thing now when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► were getting a little bit old what has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► come out over the last few days as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► mentioned there was there was a reddit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► post that kicked it all off will link to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► in the show notes where some about if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► somebody basically said that he rang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► Geekbench which is a popular benchmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► before getting his battery replaced and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► then he goes bad it replaced by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and ran Geekbench again and that his cpu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► replacement was like half of what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► after so he made this reddit post saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► throttling CPU performance when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► battery is old and it took a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► before like everyone was getting all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► an arms for a few days and then about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► nine days ago it was a John Poole the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► guy's name and keep bench I believe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► John Poole the developer of geek bench [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► went through all the data and found like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► trends and peaks of like all the iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► sixes and sixes and sevens that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► running geek bench before and after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► software update that that added this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► this behavior and they're different you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► know performances like in the aggregate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► and they were very very clear peaks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► before the update there was a clear peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► where it's supposed to be and then after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► the update there was still that main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► peak where it's supposed to be but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► there were like three other peaks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► lower levels at about even intervals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► subtracting like 20 percent 20 percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► 20 percent there were clear peaks there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► that like okay there's clearly a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► phones that are benchmarking in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► levels here and that came out about nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► days ago and then it exactly seven days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► ago Apple issued a press statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► basically saying look here's what we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► this is this is to combat lithium-ion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► battery problems over time when they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► can't maintain like the highest peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► output when the CPU is drawing the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► energy and so we throttle down those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► Peaks only when necessary to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► keep the phone running basically it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► providing from shining down so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► basically just did and then confirm that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► they did something that slows down your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► phone when it gets older and I know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► had like I'm sure they had the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► statement you know I believe them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► believe this is why they did it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► think they're trying to push new phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► even harder I think they font the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► and sell themselves like I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► they don't they need to to break your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► old phone to sell it to sell new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► sort of regular basis but I do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► this was done very poorly even if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► is the right thing to do the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► to do it is to tell the user and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► on Twitter earlier like this should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► setting I need to tell the user I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► since come around I don't think it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► necessarily be a setting because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► somebody pointed out like if you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► the setting off your phone just randomly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► dies I'll Daly that's not great so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► it doesn't need to be a setting but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► absolutely needs to be communicated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► the user these phones are people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► primary computers you can't slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► people's primary computers by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► seeming like 20 to 50 percent for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► reason that you don't tell them about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► and they have no way to know unless they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► run a benchmark like all they know is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► phone is really slow and maybe it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► cause it's old I guess maybe I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► get a new one and a new phone is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► know a lot of money and a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► replacement is not so for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► people they could just get battery play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► if they knew that their phone would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► way less slow if they just got a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► replacement for 20 to 70 dollars a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► of people would choose that option and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► save their money and maybe maybe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► will help them out you know like so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► and to not tell them to slow it down for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► reasons that are not apparent to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► user and are never told to the user no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► matter what Apple says the reason is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► users don't know that or don't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► them so this narrative that we have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► that Apple is intentionally slowing down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► phones with each OS update to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► buy a new one and we've been saying no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► no no they wouldn't do that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► do that they actually just did that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► but they but like they they are and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► are now slowing down old phones with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► new software update and yay even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► their justifications are good that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► not how it looks to the people who it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► happening to and now like this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► small thing we've talked before about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► how like certainly tech myths get get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► embedded in people we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► things like how oh you should quit all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► your apps to save your battery those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► things get embedded and are very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► hard to ever remove like windows people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► are we still are defragging their hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► drives later like it's like this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► kind of like this this doesn't change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► like you still have people whenever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► went like when they're Macs are having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► weird problems you still have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► everyone in the world telling them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► like reset their peer am and stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► like all these weird little like voodoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► things that usually don't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► what Apple has done with with this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► they have confirmed the fears of a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► very persistent and pervasive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► damaging theory or myth that was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► on about what Apple does with iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► and iOS updates I think this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► hurt their reputation in this area for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► decade it might even be longer this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► the kind of thing that people do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► forget quickly this is the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► that while we might know the truth or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► how things are you know perceived or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► what things probably mean or what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► probably intends we may know that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► where this is going to linger forever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► Thanksgiving table and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► like people who like kind of casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► users who think they know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► doing and who spread that knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► around their friends and family this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► going to persist with them for a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► and this is going to just be apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► gonna have to fight this for a decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► should have done instead we should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► liked anything they would have done here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► to solve this problem is hard like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► there's downsides to any solution to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► problem with like oh if your battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► can't actually run the phone it's full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► speed and you get random shutdowns well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► yeah that's bad they should do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► to fix that if they can and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► even with the fix even if they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► perfectly with great communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► people would say i am i reaiiy am upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► that Apple is slowing down my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► until I replaced the battery but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► least they would know it wouldn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► like deception it wouldn't seem it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► were there's like this huge ulterior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► motive that they want you to buy a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► phone they want to trick you into buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► a new phone the only way to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► right is to clearly communicate to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► user when this throttling happens to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► up a notification or something it can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► just be buried in the Barrett batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► unit settings like waiting for you to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► check it you have to notify the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► with a dialog or a notification that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► condition you know needs to be serviced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► or is is too worn out or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► as a result your phone will not perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► at its fullest something like that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► tell people exactly what is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► when it happens the first time that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► has to be throttled by this mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► put up notification put up a dialog that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► says your battery is too weak to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► your phone is will now be slower because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► of this and you know click here to for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► more information or whatever you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► tell people this problem would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► so much smaller and more manageable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► so much better received if they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► just tell people when they did when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► happened so I agree with you that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► the messaging is the crux of the issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► consumer is going to be aware of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► whole kerfuffle like has this reached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► regular media because it seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► like this is just this is just nerds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► getting angry about nerdy things is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► not or maybe I'm missing the boat oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► no I mean first of all like my tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► about this has like hundreds of retweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► already as of seven days ago it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► it this this is spreading far and wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► it doesn't regular people don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► know about this they're crazy uncle's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► the saving table are the ones I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► know about this and they're all the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► on reddit who are picking all this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► it spreads it spreads to all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► it's all this it's all those people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► advise everyone in their life that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► have to quit all their apps it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► same thing like it's that it's spreading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► through that support channel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► casual crazy power user support channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► of people who are partially but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► adequately informed and who spread that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► to all the people they know it this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► be there for a decade you two aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► really helping much on this and neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► are they million headlines that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► been about this because heist you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► setting aside all the perception issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► which are totally true and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► there's at this point there's not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► Apple can do about it and they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► have communicated better and so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► so forth everything in mark was already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► covered for the people who who know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► are casually listening to this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► or it sound in the background whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► the essential thing that both of you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► that I that I think is not the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► thing to do is to promote the the sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► of summary narrative like not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► nuanced details exactly what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► thing but the summary narrative that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► perception that Apple is doing a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► to make their phone slower to make you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► buy new phones people in the note said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► they're not doing that but now we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► new information that shows that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► they kind of work and that's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► draw the line because the perception was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► Apple is doing something doing whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► to make you buy a new phone that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► important part of the story because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► makes Apple the bad guy not that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► is doing something makes you fronts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► tougher because we all know that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► is doing something like a phone store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► it's called releasing new iOS is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► that's what they're doing but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► what we would tell them it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► they're not doing it on purpose they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► just made a new S and new OS is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► often make your phone store for all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► reasons Marco listed and we can go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► all the details and they don't even care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► right but they said no no it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► something on purpose that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► have to do that's not part of the new OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► to make your phone slower so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► will buy a new phone not for any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► reason not because you know they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► more features a background process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► singer Bamba for no reason other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► you must buy a new phone and to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► summary narrative it says we said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► were never doing that but guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► they were they weren't they're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► a thing to make you buy a new phone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► I feel is the important thing and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► right that people don't won't catch this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► no it's like everyone will just assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► it's been confirmed but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► irresponsible of people who run tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► websites and detect podcasts to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► in any way what came out today confirms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► the false narrative from before it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► like it might if you don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► you're talking about and it will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► people think it confirms I totally agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► the perception is there like but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► truth of the situation is that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► not and was not doing something to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► you buy a new phone and that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► nuanced point I want to make to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► people who care about nuance points not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► that it's gonna help you could talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► about it as carefully as you want people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► are gonna believe what they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► pessimistic and cynical about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► communication thing but I do want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► make that point here that I think no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► narrative right it makes people think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► does but just terrible for Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► Marco's right this is gonna be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► really bad for them but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► actually confirm it and on that issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► but if they had to communicated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► better that would be better but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► same way that I'm pessimistic that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► if you understand all the nuances it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► doesn't matter like perception is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3538">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► reality to lots of people it by the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► token if Apple had communicated this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► guarantee some percentage perhaps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► smaller presenter for some percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► would say that message is fake Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► just puts that up why do they put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► up to make you buy a new phone they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► lying to you with this dialog box says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► your phone's gonna slow to make you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► it oh what a coincidence - iPhone comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► out I get this dialog box on my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► phone it's telling me I need to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► new phone right now it doesn't mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► shouldn't do it it's still the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► thing to do it's still way better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► what they did but this is this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► job of you know and arguably this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► they made this this decision not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► anything about it because they're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► to they're trying to find the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► minimize the bad perceptions and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► probably communicating would be the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► to minimize it because the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► hurtful part of this is like the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► know the error of omission the deception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► by omission of like Apple never said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► deceptive thing to do and so that's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► Apple and they deserve some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQP59ws/3596">TS</a>]